Hard Proof: IRS Caught Stealing... DOJ/Courts Cover Up Crimes | Ebenezer "Ben" Hower, Michael Ellis & Bob McNeil - Steel News with Ann Vandersteel

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
But illegal immigrants can steal IDs and then file for
over and get payments for child tax credits fraudulently, never
get prosecuted.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Explain how this can happen.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
By you and your guest Laura were talking a lot
about the deep state earlier in your show, and I
would propose that the IRS is the original deep state operation.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
One of those things that we identified they want to
spend billions of dollars on is to hire eighty seven
thousand more IRS agents. Imagine an army of IRS agents
coming after the bank accounts of hard working families.

Speaker 5 (00:45):
Joseph R. Banister, a former IRS Criminal Investigation Division special agent,
has blown the whistle on an IRS fraudulently collecting federal
income tax from Americans through a scheme he calls the
ten forty scam. After resigning in nineteen ninety nine, Banister
spent over twenty five years exposing what he alleges is

(01:07):
systemic IRS fraud, including the manipulation of internal computer systems
to assess taxes, penalties, and interest against individuals who have
not voluntarily filed tax returns. Banister argues that IRS notices
referencing Form ten forty A in cases where no such

(01:29):
form was filed serve as evidence of this fraud, as
the agency falsely inputs data to create tax liabilities. Banister
asserts that most Americans are not legally required to file
federal income tax returns or pay income tax, citing the
absence of a law imposing liability on the average American

(01:53):
since nineteen sixteen. He points to the IRS's own publications,
which state that only those liable for a tax must
file a return, and notes that federal law primarily imposes
income tax liability on non resident aliens and foreign corporations.
The nineteen sixteen Supreme Court decision in Brushiaburg versus Union

(02:18):
Pacific Railroad Company limited the scope of the sixteenth Amendment,
ensuring that subsequent tax laws excluded average Americans from liability,
a structure Banister claims was intentional to maintain constitutional compliance.
The ten forty A scam involves the IRS allegedly in

(02:38):
putting fraudulent codes into its computer systems, specifically referencing Form
ten forty A to create the appearance that individuals requested
the IRS to calculate their tax liability. Banister provides evidence
from his own case, where IRS notices and individual master
file transcripts refer inst a Form ten forty A he

(03:02):
never filed. He explains that the IRS uses the unique
feature of Form ten forty A, which allows filers to
request tax calculations by the IRS to justify fraudulent assessments.
This pattern, he claims, has been repeated against millions of Americans,
even after Form ten forty A was discontinued in twenty eighteen,

(03:24):
with notices morphing to reference a nonexistent Form ten forty A.
Banister calls for further investigation into the IRS's archaic computer systems,
which he believes are maintained to perpetuate this fraud. He
suggests that the IRS's reliance on outdated technology and reluctance

(03:45):
to provide IMF transcripts via Foyer requests conceal the scam's mechanics.
Banister urges Elon Musk, President Trump, and the DOGE fraud
hunters to probe the IRS's internal programming for evidence of
fraudulent data manipulation. Comparing the ten forty A scam to
other alleged government deceptions, Banister argues that the IRS's actions

(04:10):
fit a broader pattern of misleading the public defrauding Americans
of trillions over decades.

Speaker 6 (04:17):
Well, most Americans had to write a big fat check
to the government today to pay their taxes. Over one
hundred thousand federal workers are not paying their taxes. In
twenty twenty one, the IRS found that almost one hundred
and fifty thousand federal workers oh about one point five
billion dollars in unpaid taxes. Over five thousand of them
work at the IRS and owe fifty million in overdue taxes.

Speaker 7 (04:41):
John Bound, reporting for Info Wars.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Good morning America, this is Steel News and welcome to
the war zone. Let's cut through the illusion, shall we.
We've been told that the I R S the Department
of Justice and the Federal Judiciary standard is guardians of
law and order.

Speaker 8 (05:58):
God.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
I could almost choked just saying, but nowhere and Article one,
Section eight of the Constitution, that beautiful parchment that Nancy's
three martini Spelosi likes to reference as a relic, does
the nineteen essential services of government? You know, the ones
that Congress is supposed to say this is okay to do,
the ones that we gave Congress the right to do.

(06:19):
In fact, yeah, that's right. We the people of the
government Nowhere in there will you ever find the IRS,
the DOJ, or federal court bureaucracy listed. These are not
constitutional bodies of service. They are unelected bureaucracies, corporate fictions,
sustained by agency power, and of course doing what they

(06:39):
always love to do, masquerading as government. What they are
behaving like is a RICO, a racketeering influenced criminal organization
cartel using falsified records, fake codes, and fraudulent certifications to
steal property and liberty from the American people. What you
saw in the open with former IRS Joe Banister, former

(07:01):
agent excuse me, Joe Banister, he warned us decades ago
about the ten forty a scam, a system where the
IRS simply pretends people filed returns they never filed. Today,
you're going to hear how whistleblowing became reality in the
case of Ebenezer Ben, How after six years of litigation,
Ben has irrefutable evidence, backed by government admissions, that the

(07:24):
IRS falsified his records, DOJ covered it up, and the
judiciary enabled it. And now his home is on the line.
With him are Michael Ellis and Bob McNeil, now dubbed
the Three musketeers of truth who together are pulling back
the curtain on how America's agencies are no longer bound
by law but operate his organized crime syndicates and robes

(07:46):
and suits. Ben how is an oil engineer, a longtime professional,
and now at the center of a federal forfeiture battle.
Through his persistence in bi annual FOIA request you know
those Freedom of Information Act requests, he captured the key
IR documents, the twenty eleven m Dezu screen that proves
beyond doubt that the IRS falsified his records. Ben's legal

(08:08):
strategy has become the frontline case in exposing the IRS
fraud that Joe Banister warned about. Michael Ellis who is
a longtime teacher and historian from a family of educators.
He's dedicated himself to defending those oppressed by injustice rooted
in Judeo Christian faith and the Western legal tradition. He
and his wife of thirty years are raising seven grandchildren,
excuse me, seven children and grandchildren in North Texas well.

(08:31):
He fights for liberty and justice for all. He's become
a true freedom fighter and rob or, shall we say,
Bob McNeil borne and late in the late forties, but
a Marine Corps veteran who's been an absolute exemplary should
we say, public servant of many varieties. He's an accountant,
an auditor, and oil and gas financial consultant. After retiring

(08:53):
in twenty fifteen, he devoted his life to exposing the
irs DOJ corruption through litigation. As a father and grandfather,
Bob stands is living proof that service to country doesn't
end with the uniform. General Flynn also comes to mind.
He's been preparing for years to fight the storm he
knew was coming, and he himself hasn't filed a tax
return since two thousand. So you see here, folks, what

(09:16):
I'm trying to get at is these are ordinary Americans
with extraordinary talent, meaning they are taking their gifts from
God and they're bringing him forward to fight the demon,
the beast that is hopefully going to see Babylon fall.
Let's see if we can't get these gentlemen up here
on the stage with us today. We've got see Ben

(09:36):
haw who is the man of the hour, than man
who is behind this big fight, along with his compatriot
Michael Ellis and Bob McNeil. Gentleman, it is a pleasure
to have you three on this morning, the three Musketeers
of Truth who are in a very valiant and gallant
battle staring down the face of a very sinister cartel
known as the United States Government.

Speaker 9 (09:54):
Welcome.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
Thanks em Than Darien.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, I'm just honored to have of you on. This
is a momentous moment. We've been dropping some truth bombs
thanks to the evidence you've been providing me now for
the last month or so. Actually, it started with Michael
months ago, sending me emails and a conversation Michael, I'll
never forget because you then referenced it in a subsequent
email where you said my eyes glazed over. It's a

(10:20):
lot of information to take in, but in its simplest form,
it is fraud, it is racketeering, and it's a conspiracy
on the federal government to steal from we, the American people.
So I'd like to start with Ben Howe. You are
the aggrieved party from who the federal government has singled
you out, along with millions of other Americans. As we're
going to learn from Joe Banister again in the future,
he's joined this steam team here at some point in

(10:41):
the future later today, Ben for our audience. Can you
just sort of since they're just now learning about your case,
can you walk us through your backstory how this all
began with the government targeting your property.

Speaker 10 (10:53):
Oh well, I started off.

Speaker 11 (10:55):
I read some stuff from that Irwin Schiff wrote Federal
Mafia of the book.

Speaker 10 (11:01):
Way back in the mid nineties.

Speaker 11 (11:03):
And then I was just like this is I was
in the Marine Corps two by the way, so I
thank you waste and a regular it happens all the time. Anyway,
I got just fed up and I read about it.
I started finding out about liability. There is none. So
I filed zero returns were and just put a two
page adendum and asked the irs questions for three years

(11:26):
on show me where this law is? Just things like
that for crickets. You didn't hear any and not no
answer at all. So I just quit filing probably two
thousand and four, two thousand and five. It's just like
they won't answer. I won't answer. Fine, because I was
working off and on overseas.

Speaker 10 (11:45):
I've worked in West Africa, i worked in the Middle East.
So anyway, I.

Speaker 11 (11:50):
Just I wasn't filing anything, and I didn't hear anything
from them until I actually bought the property in I
think it was twenty thirteen, and then a couple of
years later, and then part of the complaint that they
filed against me was that I used an LLC to
try to hide something. But I used my own social
Security number because I never thought in my lifetime that

(12:10):
the courts would be so corrupt as to take and
not compel the government to produce any of these phantom documents.
So I wasn't really worried about I used my own
social Security number because it's really not that hard to
hide stuff.

Speaker 10 (12:22):
With an LLC. I did the LLC specifically because I
was working overseas.

Speaker 11 (12:26):
It was easier than going and getting a lawyer to
sign a power of attorney every month when I left
the country.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Sure.

Speaker 11 (12:33):
Anyway, that's when I believe that Marler, who has worked
for the small business part of the IRS, they finally
had a piece of property that they could try to
go after because they'd stolen a couple hundred bucks from
bank accounts from time to time, but they could finally
go after the property. So and I started getting letters

(12:53):
and they would ask stupid questions like is this an inconvenience?

Speaker 10 (12:56):
Well, yeah, having your house stolen would be an inconvenience,
so I.

Speaker 11 (13:03):
Didn't I didn't like I said, I didn't think that
I would have any problem if I went to court
because it was painfully.

Speaker 10 (13:08):
Obvious that they don't have any documents.

Speaker 11 (13:11):
And so in twenty nineteen, in November, I got served
with a complaint from the government. A legend I owed
some astronomical fiction number that they came up with. And
that's when I had actually heard Bob on TalkShoe radio
in like twenty sixteen or seventeen and talked to him.

Speaker 10 (13:32):
I told him I'd gotten served.

Speaker 11 (13:34):
I hadn't met Michael yet, but Michael's been the legal
strategy behind all of this because they had the missing pieces.
I just knew that I wasn't liable, and so I
would every two years, like you mentioned in your opening,
I would request dafoya and just get I didn't even
realize what I had at the time, and when I
gave that, Michael knew exactly what it was when it

(13:56):
was there. And just so your audience knows, the MDSA
as an artifact from the AIMS system, which is an
ancillary computer system that allows injection into your master file.

Speaker 10 (14:05):
And that was the proof that they were.

Speaker 11 (14:07):
Doing that, and then ever since then, the fight's beent
on since twenty nineteen.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
Incredible, truly incredible what you've been going through. And I
find it very extraordinary and very telling actually that you
stopped filing in the early two thousands and they didn't
bother you until you had something they could take of
significant value. That's when they came after you, and they
equated it to being in your name because you attached

(14:35):
to Social Security number to it. Which that's another topic
that I've broken down many times, and I'd like to
break down some more from my audience, because that social
Security number really is the bane of our existence when
it comes to transacting and opting in with the federal
government and contracting. You know Joe Banister, who you saw
in the open in his piece, and he's an incredible irs,

(14:55):
was a war former federal agent actually first exposed this
ten forty years ago. Did you realize what he was
warning about was exactly what was going to happen to you?
Or were you not aware of Joe Banister when this
first started happening to you.

Speaker 10 (15:11):
I had heard of Joe Banister.

Speaker 11 (15:13):
I know that he because he hadn't filed he'd been
a CID agent with the IRS, so they're actually, by
the way, the only ones that are allowed to carry
guns according to the IRS. Manuel, but i'd heard of him,
but I didn't know specifically about the ten forty A
and my big, my biggest thing that I didn't find
out was how they were committing the fraud by injecting

(15:35):
records in there. Because I knew that you had to
volunteer for it, and I was going to volunteer for
anything except them to.

Speaker 10 (15:40):
Leave me alone.

Speaker 11 (15:42):
So I didn't know anything about the how they went
about It. Wasn't until I heard Bob on Talkshow that
I found out that they were violating eighteen USC one
thousand and one and falsified in records. And then I
didn't know how they were doing it. But I actually
ended up having a piece of paper that and Michael
was the one that knew exactly what it was when

(16:03):
he saw it. But I was unaware of how they
were doing it. I just knew that you had to
volunteer to do it. I didn't know that they would
actually just do it regardless.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right, So I'm going to bring Michael in here because Michael,
I want to talk to you about this exhibit sitting
right here. This is UH Exhibit A. This is the
Revenue Officer's Training Handbook, and specifically you have chapter twenty three.
Why is this relative to the exhibits that were presented
in court as evidence to back up what mister how

(16:36):
was talking about that you know, he should not have
had to file. What the government did was you know,
woefully way out of line.

Speaker 8 (16:45):
Good morning.

Speaker 12 (16:45):
Anthy real thing that I found here with this was
that the Revenue officers are trained to recognize that their
primary enforcement statute, it's called sixty twenty B, does not
apply to income tax. And they literally stated quote for
constitutional reasons, so their main enforcement statute does not apply,

(17:08):
does not authorize them to be able to you to
attack people for the income tax.

Speaker 8 (17:13):
That's the revenue officers and book.

Speaker 12 (17:16):
And when I saw that it supported the other pieces
of information that they had no authority to enforce the
voluntary income tax. This in turn explains why they had
to falsify their internal records, their individual master file records.

Speaker 8 (17:32):
Because it's voluntary.

Speaker 12 (17:34):
There are restrictions literally built into that software that prevent
them from moving ahead to attack people like Ben unless
that person has voluntarily asked the IRS to prepare a
return for them.

Speaker 8 (17:49):
That's the ten forty A scam that Joe has.

Speaker 12 (17:52):
At least from a distance, he's been able to determine
there's something wrong with what they're doing.

Speaker 8 (17:57):
Internally.

Speaker 12 (17:58):
We have analyzed their internal records, their software records, their
procedural manuals, and we've determined exactly how they do it,
why they do it, and what the results are.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Insane, absolutely insane. During your discovery, you asked the DOJ
to produce that signed ten forty A return. Their records
claimed that existed.

Speaker 13 (18:20):
Right.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
This is how they had to get the scam. They
had to show that mister How filed a ten forty
A but didn't pay. So we had basically several years
of what they called filed ten forty A returns to
prove that mister How never paid the taxes he claimed
he owed on the ten forty eight so they could
then go and sue him. The United States could ssume
mister How for an asset forfeiture his home, which right

(18:44):
now is in process of being forfeitured and taken by
the United States government. In fact, we're up against a
hard deadline next week because you're battling this and appealing
this in the ninth Circuit out in the district in
which mister Howe lives. They admitted in writing by the way,
that they did not have a record to prove that
this ten forty A even existed. So they create the record,

(19:06):
they quote file it, they create a debt, if you will,
and they expunge it so it's not even there. But
you have there's computers that actually track those transactions of
the record being made and the record being deleted, so
you can actually see that that master file, mister Howe's
individual master file was actually manipulated. Yet the court saying well,
we don't have a ten forty A, so we can't

(19:27):
prove this. What I mean when you heard this, what
went through your head when you read that concession, knowing
that they're still operating, is if this ten forty actually
exists and the debt was created.

Speaker 12 (19:37):
Well, let's just make this kind of clear. The ten
forty A part of this scandal is is that they
make it look like you asked the irs to prepare
a return for you. That's what they need to do
to be able to open a back door, to be
able to put into the IMF annual.

Speaker 8 (19:55):
Record the claimed deficiency amount.

Speaker 12 (19:59):
Let me say, at this without them showing getting the
individual master file software to reflect that you supposedly filed
at ten forty A on a given date while they
can't input the deficiency amounts.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
This is a really.

Speaker 12 (20:14):
Cool proof that the entire thing is voluntary because it's
not only what they that they don't have a way
to enter the deficiency amount directly from a substitute income
tax return that they prepare, but they also they have
no way to be able to enter that deficiency amount
unless they make it look like you have asked for

(20:36):
a return to be done.

Speaker 8 (20:38):
That's the ten forty A part of it.

Speaker 12 (20:40):
There isn't any such thing that exists, even though their
records show. Example, here you're looking at one of them
that says, up in the upper left hand corner, this
is a transcript that shows that ten forty A is
the subject of this whole deal. If they're in that
top left hand corner. I don't know if you can
read it, but at ten forty A, when you go
ask for them, as you said, and we asked during

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this case. In fact, Ben had a very good idea
about he was going to do something in case. They
said this, I think if you don't mind it, and
asked Ben what his idea was to offer to the
government during the course of this about the ten forty
Ben Ben, go for it.

Speaker 11 (21:21):
Oh, so we initially filed I think it was document
eleven on a three hundred. We motioned for dismissal. Well,
when we didn't hear crickets from them about that, I
had talked to my guy. I said, what if we
just offered to concede the whole case, We'll just quit
if they can produce one iota of proof, right, And

(21:41):
he was like, that great, because.

Speaker 10 (21:43):
We know they don't exist.

Speaker 11 (21:44):
So we asked them for the alleged substitute for recurns
that they've submitted to examinations. We asked them for the
ten forty as that shows up on my masterphonll and
the DOJ attorneys and the black Robe attorneys.

Speaker 10 (21:59):
Crickets nothing.

Speaker 11 (22:01):
They wouldn't even They never even addressed the fact that
we offered to just concede the whole case.

Speaker 10 (22:07):
So what is it?

Speaker 11 (22:09):
A rule one of federal civil procedure for quick and
immediate justice. They could have ended this crap in like
December of twenty nineteen, they didn't have it. At that
point we knew four positive they didn't have Jack, and
so we this was a should have been a slam dunk.

Speaker 10 (22:26):
We didn't hear anything from them at all.

Speaker 12 (22:29):
That was in twenty nineteen, and it's right, no, twenty nineteen,
all the way to this year when the judge finally
woke up after eighteen months of silence, and he suddenly
just says case won by the government.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, because just because he's because he's the black rope tired,
and he could slam the gavel and just decide to
call balls and strikes and not follow the rule of law.
You know, Bob, you have been a you're an auditor.
Right when a party admits that they can't produce the
underlying records, what does that tell you about fraud?

Speaker 13 (23:01):
Well, servainly voiced some my my senses about it because
I was trained, you know, to identify fraud and stop it,
and I did that for forty years. So when I
when Michael presented these records to me to look at,
and then I went out and submitted my own voyer

(23:23):
to get my own I saw the same pattern of
transaction code that Michael showed me initially on my on
my records as well. So from there I determined that
Michael and I both agreed this is a systemic problem
and so we need to take this expand expand our review.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Okay, so you've expanded the review. I want to pull
up here this Exhibit F because I think this is
quite telling as well. Let's go back. I just want
to get the title of it up here, because it's
just let's take a look at this, shall we. This
is Exhibit F certificate of official record, whereas you have

(24:09):
the Chief Accounting Operations signing off on this from the
United States of America Department of Treasury IRS, and it's
a certification of lack of record. Can you walk us
through this, Bob, because this, to me is just an
extraordinary piece of information here.

Speaker 13 (24:27):
Well, this is called the forum forty three forty We've
dealt with this for years and years. We get them.
We request them for every lawsuit that we've ever filed.
In fact, we've filed a lot of them over the years.
Going back a little bit, well, when we first got

(24:48):
involved in this and we saw this pattern being repeated
and repeated by other people who contacted me, Maas, and
I sent out the words that we'd like to we'd
like to form a class action, and so we went
about doing that. I gathered names and people who wanted
to participate in all that, and we submitted emotion to

(25:13):
the judge to certify us as a class action suit
and he refused to do it. So you know, when
you were out there, you know something was out. But
but this this form, can we get back a second? Sure?
So this sort of mirrors the uh TO notice of

(25:37):
Federal tax linge in. It had the same date, has
the same uh identifications, the same descriptions, and it just
tells the story from start to finish about where they started,
where the IRIS started assessing the non existent liability of them,

(25:57):
and then how they went through the process taking action
against him.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Okay, so let's move this into Ben's emergency at the moment,
and we're going to come back and talk a little
bit more about the fraud. But Ben, we're sitting in
an emergency. Today is Friday, August twenty ninth. By next Friday,
US marshals are going to take your house. You have
an appeal right now, sitting in the ninth Circuit. You've
got an emergency rule motion to stay the sale of

(26:26):
your home. The DJ responded saying your appeal was quote
premature and there was no sale to stay. How do
you how do you respond to that?

Speaker 11 (26:37):
I you're live, so I won't use a bunch of
four letter words. But it's a load of crap that
they don't have anything. Their case is actually the frivolous one.
But I got a letter that it was dated early August.

Speaker 10 (26:55):
They send it.

Speaker 11 (26:56):
I have a mail service in Casper because I'm out
in the field all of the time, and they sent
it to the Casper address and they said September ninth.
I think it's actually pals that is a division of
the irs property something and liquidation specialists. They're taking control
the property on September fifth. And then I guess if

(27:18):
I was there to fight them, I'm going to be gone,
so it's not a problem. But then the marshals would
come in. But so we've got this motion sitting in
the Ninth Circuit, and I have about as much faith
in the Ninth Circuit as I have of you know,
gum jumping off the ground and helping us.

Speaker 10 (27:36):
So we'll see what they do.

Speaker 11 (27:40):
But it's there, and maybe if people call them, they'll
force them to act. But I think these guys, you
can look at the year and a half that the
judge in the district court just did nothing but sat
on his hands for a year and a half. That's
what these people are hoping for. So this goes away
on them. That's what my guess is.

Speaker 13 (28:00):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I think we're all I think we're all hoping that.
I think they're all hoping that that is what is
going to happen. I'm actually going to put up on
the screen right now, uh, an actual call to action,
because I meant to do this earlier and I just
forgot about this little detail. But it's important we do
have a call to action here because Michael, you know,
it's pretty dangerous for the government to hide behind quotes jurisdiction.
I mean, they are now opening up their whole can

(28:23):
of really how they've been operating as using jurisdiction and
trapping us into their jurisdiction. Just to be clear, the
Constitution is for the Republic, for America, for Americans. The
United States. Jurisdiction really is confined to anything that's a
federal you know, federally owned, and we're not federally owned, right,
We're not a piece of property to the United States,

(28:44):
And so we believe because we're quotes US citizens that
you know that a lot that puts us in their jurisdiction. Well,
it really technically doesn't. But it is such conflation when
you read their US codes and you understand the definitions
of person and a US citizen and a national and
so and resident alien non resident alien, they've made it

(29:05):
very confusing. But if you take the time and dissect that,
you can clearly see that Americans are not part of
the United States corporation that are in their US jurisdiction,
which would make us culpable or liable to taxes because
none of us are earning income, well not none of us,
but the people here are not earning income inside the
US jurisdiction of Washington, DC and that federal corporate bureaucracy.

(29:28):
So how dangerous is it at this point for the
government to continue to keep hiding behind jurisdiction instead of
just addressing the falsified records. Are they opening the kimonos
so wildly now that we see the fraud and how
they've been doing.

Speaker 12 (29:40):
It, Well, let's be real, blunt the judiciary is not
quote unquote in on the scam. They're not taught centrally
to misrepresent and so forth. We've watched the actions of
the judges over the course of time, and sometimes they
just absolute exhibit a knee jerk reaction. It tells you

(30:02):
that they're not really trained in how to deal with
this problem. So instead, what they do is they rest
behind their immunity. They know that if they falsify the record,
that makes it so let me say that like this,
a judge makes a determination. For example, in this case
that Ben was complaining supposedly about the IRS preparing falsified returns.

(30:26):
Ben never complained about that, then instead said, the IRS
has falsified its internal digital records and paper records derived
from that to make it look like he filed a
return when he didn't. The distinction there is that the
judges falsified the record. This is the district court judges
falsified the record to make it look like he was

(30:47):
making an allegation he didn't, and then they ruled against
their own allegation, which was frivolous, as Ben already said.
So when you're dealing with judges who falsify records to
hew one party win you realize, or something very corrupt.
And it's not necessarily that the entire judiciary is corrupt.
We're just saying when judges get faced with something difficult

(31:10):
like this, they know they have to protect the income text,
and they literally will falsify the record, committing felonies. It's
a felony. Has been mentioned eighteen USC one do one.
You cannot falsify a record as a judge in a
court case to assist a person. So we really don't
argue much about the rights of Americans in.

Speaker 8 (31:30):
The jurisdiction issue.

Speaker 12 (31:31):
And because we simply argue about the fact that the
records were falsified. No one can falsify records and come
into court and expect the court to give them any relief.
Now that's the jurisdiction issue we talk about. It's called
the clean hands doctrine. You walk into court having falsified
every freaking record concerning somebody, you should not get any

(31:54):
relief from that United States District court. But instead they
hum and how for five years before the judge creates
an events his escape hat and it's a felony. So
that's the problem we've got judges that commit felonies without
any there is no recourse.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
So, Michael, what from a legal strategy that tells you
when the government refuses to answer the questions of substance,
whether the irs records are genuine, and instead tries to
push everything aside with jurisdiction and no serious questions arguments?
Do we even have a government that is really functional?
Should should we be listening to the government, Should we
be following anything they say? What should we be doing?

Speaker 12 (32:33):
Well, here's what we decided to do, amongst other things.
Of course we're appealing it. But the Court of Appeals
is just as corrupt. Right, court of Appeals. We've had
a clerk issue to herself an order to herself to
strike Ben's brief on appeal. This is the type of
stuff that goes on at the Court of Appeals. Now
that's just as bad. But your question, could you reiterate
that again?

Speaker 14 (32:53):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Sure? When you see a government that is, you know,
just so blatantly behaving in this fashion, and do we
even do we follow the government? I mean, do we
actually listen to what they're saying in any in any
aspect of our lives at this point? Because well, no,
they're completely falsifying everything, they're lying to steal proper. At
what point do we say this government isn't ours.

Speaker 12 (33:15):
Well, we have to take it apart and instead of
being generalizing and being a broad brush, we very specifically
filed what's called a complaint with the Treasury Inspector General
of Tax Administration. Heather Hill is the leader of that
part of the Treasury Department. We filed a complaint last
year for the simple facts concerning the revenue officer who

(33:37):
literally who falsified the records himself using different inputs into
the AIM system to be able to change the imf
any rate. Len Sorry short, this revenue officer was concealed
during discovery of this lawsuit by a an IRS attorney.
So we filed a complaint with Heather Hill about those felonies.

Speaker 8 (33:59):
That was in our sober.

Speaker 12 (34:02):
Last year, and we still not heard anything from her
this year. There is no way if the TIKTA actually analyzes,
does an investigation and confirms exactly what we tell them
to look for in their records, then that felony will
be those felonies committed by both the IRS attorney as

(34:22):
well as by the revenue officer. That will end the case,
right if they find what they should find, which we
pointed out to them, here's where to look and the
IRIS records, this is what this revenue officer did, and
here's what the IRS attorney did to conceal it.

Speaker 8 (34:38):
If you can.

Speaker 12 (34:39):
If they will confirm that were great, but she will not.
So far we have not heard anything from her. And
this is where you.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Come in, right, So we have been busy filing more
Freedom of Information Act requests. We actually left a message
yesterday for Heather Hill, and this is what we're asking
people to do today because this take a complaint that
you see here on your screen details the entire story
behind what we are reporting this morning on this manufacturer

(35:07):
fraud that is being facilitated in a Rito criminals. Also
that your federal government. We've got some background noise maybe
uh maybe mister and McNeil could go on mute. I'm
not sure if it's his phone or not. But through
this uh TIGTA complaint, we you all have done a

(35:27):
beautiful job of basically detailing everything that's happened and proven
where the government has lied, covered up and obfuscated the truth.
So not only you know do we have this complaint.
We're on the screen at the very bottom you will
see call Acting Inspector General Heather Hill. She is in
the tax uh uh information to Tikta forget when thank

(35:52):
you too many acronyms this morning had enough coffee, Treasure
General of the Tax Administration's office. She's right now, but
I did leave a message for her. I have sent
her an email and we have you know, approached her
before you have a FOYA a Freedom of Information Act
that you've already perfected as a matter of fact. Yes,
this is her phone number, this is her email. What

(36:14):
we're asking everybody to do is please please please contact
miss Hill here politely and you know reference this TICTA
complaint as you see on the screen here, so that
perhaps she can give us a status update. Tell us why, mister,
how if you get a status update is to win

(36:34):
this complaint and investigation by Tikta is completed, if you
know in that completion date. Is why that's important in
your case right now, in the appeal you have in
the ninth circuit. How will that help you?

Speaker 10 (36:45):
Well, I don't know that it will help me.

Speaker 11 (36:47):
If they don't, it doesn't happen before they take control
of the property.

Speaker 10 (36:51):
But if they have to.

Speaker 11 (36:52):
Admit that everything that Marler did to falsify the records,
well that's a felony right there. And then you've got
the concealing of a felony, which if from by an
attorney I don't know, Michael and correct me, that's misprison
a felony because she knows that a felony was created
and didn't report it. So if the Ninth Circuit has

(37:14):
any integrity, if this comes out that yes, they actually
committed crimes, then the entire clean hands has proven correct
and this case should have been tossed six years ago.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Okay, I'm going to add the actual complaint here into
Miss Hill's.

Speaker 11 (37:33):
One other thing too, and is that Michael actually got
a hold of them to try to get an update
on this, because, like I said, this was filed in
fall of twenty twenty four, and when they responded back,
they tried to say that it was just a Foyer
request instead of actually doing an investigation, to try to
wash their hands of it that way. And I think

(37:53):
it was you or someone that you were in contact
with that said do not let them do this. So
the way of it is currently in there are being
going to be sent whatever is Uh, it doesn't give
them the right to just weeeze a lot of this
complaint as just a foyer request and they actually have
to do some kind of investigation into these criminals.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Good good, all right, Rob, give us get us up
to speed. You know, everything that's been submitted the Freedom
of Information Act requests, the you know, open appeal right now,
that is need that needs to be responded to in
the Ninth Circuit. The fact that you've got mister Howes
home about to be confiscated by the federal government. You're
trying to stop it, trying, you know, We've reached out

(38:35):
to the marshals, We've reached out to pals, We've reached
out to the dog of the I R S. You know,
we're hitting everybody and saying, here's all the evidence to
prove that what you're doing is based on fraud and
you have falsey evidence. And you all have been very gracious,
you've said maybe you didn't almost realize what happened, but
now it's pretty obviously very blatant. With the blowers like
Joe Banister, I've had Brandon Howees, a fellow broadcaster called

(38:57):
me the other day said and they did the same
thing to me. And I'm getting emails from people all
over the country explaining the same thing. So this is
not an isolated case. This is real time fraud on
millions of Americans. So, mister McNeil, can you kind of,
you know, summarize where you think this is going to
go as an auditor? If the Ninth Circuit doesn't step
up and hear what is you know here the truth

(39:19):
and act on it, what's the next thing? Are we
going to the Supreme Court?

Speaker 13 (39:25):
We've already been in the Supreme Court a couple of
times and they refused to hear the king. So I
have no faith at all in the Supreme Court. So honestly,
I don't know. We're going to continue to battle Michael.
Michael knows the strategy. He's a guy, and I'm more
of the administrative guy. I file cases, I added motions

(39:50):
things like that. But Michael is a strategist. I'd ask
you that question.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Well, Michael, then why don't you step in and tell us,
well what you think is going to happen next?

Speaker 12 (40:02):
Well, first of all, we really strongly need to get
as many people as possible to call Heather Hill. If
we can get her to release that investigation that, as
Bob says, that there was felonies that have been committed.
We can take that in multiple ways. First, we would
want to take that to the Ninth Circuit and file
a motion that would be you've been wrong already, there

(40:24):
is substantive reason why this judgment should not be allowed.
We would also take it to PALS. We'd show the
head of PALS, we'd show that martial service. This is
the underlying felony set that makes the forfeiture void. So
if we don't get anything from Heather Hill today or

(40:46):
the next few days, it's going to make it more difficult.
But it would help us immensely if she would do
her actually just commit to showing us what the results were.
Because she's supposedly been investigating this for nearly a year.
Is time we need to see it now. If she
doesn't do that, there's all sorts of ramifications and options
we though have. As Bob has said, we've gone to

(41:07):
the Supreme Court and we found that Scott Harris, that
clerk there, basically just treats the case as a kind
of a diversion. These types of issues that were raising
that the United States Treasury. Actually, the IRS is running
a RICO basically a false record falsification program that should
be a first priority when it comes to the United

(41:28):
States Supreme Court.

Speaker 8 (41:30):
But we always get these very nice little things that say.

Speaker 12 (41:34):
Declined, What other possible case could be more important than
the IRS running a record's falsification program. That's the agency
that if anybody falsified their records, the agency would put
them in prison. Instead, it's the agency that's falsifying records,
and that's not significant enough. We don't think the judges

(41:55):
at the Supreme Court have ever heard anything we've ever filed.
The reason why we're saying is because we've had actual
judges state in the Court of Appeals in the Thirteenth
Circuit or whatever that is over there in Florida state
that the judges at the Court of Appeals never read
anything that's filed by pro say, unrepresented litigants. They let

(42:15):
staff attorneys read them and suggest quarters and cases are
dismissed without ever addressing any issue that's raised.

Speaker 8 (42:24):
So that's there.

Speaker 9 (42:26):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
The bar. You know, the bar is protecting other bar members,
right These low level bar attorneys are protecting the ones
they know are perpetrating the fraud. We just had another
evidence of that in the Supreme Court with a writ
of cerciary that went before it, you know, pleading for
the Supreme Court to hear this freedom of speech case,
the censorship case third time to the Supreme Court with
three accompanying Amica's briefs unheard of right to see a

(42:50):
writ of cerciary and three amicus briefs, go into the
court say hey, we have a case and we can
prove the governments and the wrong and we need the
government to fall on the sword. And the government said, yeah, no,
we're not going to take this one a case. We're
going to go talk about this rastafarian who's a prisoner
that for you know, manslaughter, that is concerned about having
to cut us hairshore because his dreadlocks are representative of

(43:12):
his religious rights. And that was the case they chose
to weigh in on versus a I don't know, fredious
speech for three hundred million Americans. So when we say
the courts are captured and it's almost a dead end
and it becomes a circular file we're spinning around, it
becomes a little bit desperate, except let's enter in you know,
what somebody I consider it to be a hero Ed Martin.

(43:33):
We have put this package together and I have been
putting this out on social media as of this past
week that not only do we have them caught. You
all have done the massive heavy lift of catching these
scoundrels and these demons, but we've now incorporated Ed Martin's
office at you know, and he's over there in weaponization
and pardons to actually look at this stuff we've sent it.

(43:53):
I know it's been received. I spoke to people in
his office. I met with Ed last month about some stuff.
So this is proof positive here that this memo not
only went via email but also via overnight and it's
been received. He has been made well aware of all
of the exhibits, everything that's going on and what we're doing.
What we've asked him to do is also to weigh

(44:13):
in by contacting Acting Attorney General Inspector General Heather Hill
excuse me, Inspector General Heather Hill over at TIKTA to say, hey,
what is the status of this complaint TRN two four
one zero zero three sixty four? When will you have
your investigation completed? When will we get an answers? Because

(44:33):
this answer is really hinging upon the ability for mister
how to update his appeal and response in his appeal
to the ninth corget to stay the forfeiture of his
home so they won't take it next Friday. I know,
And this is can you imagine? I mean, I'm asking
my audience right now, can you all imagine being in
this position where the IRS is breathing down your neck?
If you have ever been in this position fraudulently so

(44:56):
and you know you didn't file a return, especially at
ten forty A need to send me an email. Just
go to my website and Vanderstiel dot com and send
me an email because we're going to continue to build
this case and we're going to you know, Pepper, the
United States government, and I believe the Secretary of Treasury,
Scott Bessend, who took a question recently from Gary Franchi

(45:17):
over at Next News Network, I believe, and he asked
about Joe Banister and a few other IRS, but sive blowers.
I believe Secretary Vessent is interested in hearing about this
because we've all been hearing the rumblings that perhaps maybe
they want to abolish the IRS. So you know, I
think this case is, you know, prime e facia evidence
of why we should abolish the IRS because they're crooks, criminals, thieves,

(45:39):
and they're liars essentially.

Speaker 12 (45:41):
Hey, and we just want to point out one thing.
Heather Hill and the tig to Treasury, those folks over
there are not in the judicial system. So what we're
doing is going actually an end run around the judiciary,
because the judiciary is totally corrupted.

Speaker 8 (45:57):
And I'm not saying that in a mean way.

Speaker 12 (46:00):
I'm just saying any judicial officer that touches this, they
realize automatically where they're supposed to rule, favoring the government.
So we have no relief in that but in the
judicial system. But we're right now going to Heather Hill
to do an end run around the fact that the
judiciary refuses to look at the evidence of the IRS
record falsification program. We find all sorts of excuses why

(46:23):
they don't have to look at it. They're stupid, nothing
makes any sense. But this end run is extremely important
to Ben's future here as far as owning that house,
because Heather Hill can show us what underlying felonies that
the judges refused to review in Ben's case. So if

(46:44):
we get that evidence in a review from Heather where
she says, here's what that IRS revenue officer did and
here's how this IRS attorney covered it. That's going to
expose the whole thing. And then we'll just take that
to the court and say here's what you covered up
so far.

Speaker 8 (47:02):
Leesa's house alone.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Right, and you even stated that it's very clear. On
June twenty fourth of this year, the clerk Molly Dwyer,
she ordered herself. The clerk ordered herself to strike your brief.
I mean completely absurd. That must have been totally absurd
to see that in writing. There wasn't any judicial signature,
there was no reason giving. So again, when it comes
back to fraud on the court and by the court,

(47:25):
what does that say about the appellate process and what
does it say about the Supreme Court process? Do we
have any courts at all that you think are going
to give us a fair shake here? And how do
we harn Sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 12 (47:35):
That's exactly why we've gone to Heather Hill on this
outside the court kind of end run. So you're right,
you're correct, But Heather Hill has a problem because these
two actors, two i RS agents, as you pointed out,
they are right squarely in the remit of the of
the Tikta to be able to determine whether or not

(47:55):
they committed the crime. Again, it's worth reiterating the judges
refused to look at the evidence of the IRS record
falsification program. If we get Heather to look at it
and produce a simple report that there's something stinky here,
then we hand that to the judiciary and say you
have aired.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Get out of the way, Ben, What does it say
about whether Americans live under a constitutional government or agency
for photocracy?

Speaker 10 (48:24):
It's been dead for forty years.

Speaker 11 (48:29):
Getting back to the court thing, like you said, one
of the things the appeals Court will do is just
dismiss this with no comment whatsoever, basically giving you nothing
to appeal to the Supreme Court for. They just, well,
the district Court's rights done and you don't.

Speaker 10 (48:48):
Have any.

Speaker 11 (48:50):
Technical issue that you can bring to the Supreme Court.
So that's how they get around not having to deal
with that. But it's just this, The current state of
the country is not what I signed up for the
Marine Corps four back in the eighties. So it's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, I would agree, it's our country is in massive crisis,
were completely captured, absolutely captured. I mean we you know
you've said repeatedly, Ben that you owe nothing to the
government that falsified its own records. You know that has
been the core of your defense, and it should should be.
I mean, frankly, you know what the IRS has done
to Americans, and what the Federal Reserve has done, what

(49:31):
this international banking cabal, that just the the actual you know,
initiation of bringing an IRS online, the sixteenth Amendment, the
Federal Reserve, all of it is complete fraud on the people,
and I think the people are finally finally waking up.
You all have been called the three musketeers of David's
fighting Goliath. What do you all continue to do in

(49:55):
the future. I want to start with Bob McNeil, because
you know you're the taxations specialist. You've done audits. If
I'm sure that if you saw this kind of malfeasans
and corporations, you would be absolutely going after him like
a dog with a chew toy. It must be incredibly
frustrating to be a professional that is responsible for audits
to see audits like this just fabricated by the IRS

(50:17):
and leave a paper trail that's now been caught through
the Freedom of Information Act request that mister How's been
doing all this time, catching the government in their own malfeasance.
This is a Gordian not so to speak. But how
do you think we untangle this, mister mcfeil.

Speaker 13 (50:33):
Here's where I would start. What we learned in the
very first lawsuit we filed against the RS and the
DLJ responds to the compliant. The first thing they did
was file on mostly to dismiss based on the eighteen
seventy one Tax Injunction Act and in that case, the

(50:56):
Supreme Court rule in eighteen seventy one no course shall
have any juris jurisdiction to her any case involving the
assessment or collection of any tax. They completely are the
Supreme Court remove the jurisdiction jurisdiction of tax issues from

(51:16):
the courts. So that's the basis with the DOJ saying, Judge,
you don't have any the jurisdiction to either hear this case,
you need to dismiss it, and that just does that's
their easy out. So the first thing is to repeal
the eighteen seventy one Tax Injunction Act.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Okay, Michael, do you concur with that?

Speaker 12 (51:40):
Well, yes, but I think we're on the right path
because we're really not arguing, you know, whether you are
a US citizen, or whether there's gold friends on the
flag or any of that. We're arguing one thing, you
cannot commit a crime as a government officer to enforce
the law.

Speaker 8 (51:57):
So it's a very clean kind of argument, makes sense.

Speaker 12 (52:01):
So that's why we're after tigged It today is simply
to get her to respond, tell us whether crimes are committed,
and the case will go away.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Okay, all right, I just I'm in all of of
the three of you. I think it's phenomenal that you
have stood together. You know, an unlikely group comes together,
but all because you're standing for truth. You're standing for
honesty and really, frankly, what our founding fathers sacrifice when
they decided to put their name to paper and fifty
six men sacrifice their lives, fortunes, and their sacred honor

(52:33):
to create what I consider to be the most incredible
republic ever born on the planet. God made this second
Covenant nation for us, and it's up to us to
protect it. So I'd like to hear from me to
be starting with mister how what is your message to
Americans listening today? You're watching this and wondering what can
I do to protect myself and my family from this
beast system.

Speaker 10 (52:55):
One question everything. They don't tell you the truth. They
are out for power and that's all they care about,
the elites. So question absolutely everything.

Speaker 11 (53:04):
When they tell you something, there's an ulterior motive behind it,
almost assuredly, and be prepared to You know that this
country was supposed to be made on freedom and rugged individualism.
Don't rely on the government to help you because they're
not there to help you.

Speaker 10 (53:21):
What was it, Reagan the nine most scary words.

Speaker 11 (53:24):
I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you,
So just be prepared to do it yourself, and don't
be afraid of them either.

Speaker 10 (53:33):
That's another thing I found out a long time ago.

Speaker 11 (53:36):
The first time I ever walked into an IRS office
and I had my own copy of the tax code.
That was like bringing across to a vampire. So it's
not like the people. They don't actually know the law.
Half of the little Minians don't know the law, right,
So yeah, question everything, and just yeah, try to be

(53:59):
ready to defend for yourself in a sense that they're
not there to help you.

Speaker 10 (54:06):
You have to help yourself.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Right, I love it. Uh, mister McNeil, how do you
answer that question?

Speaker 13 (54:15):
I concur with Ben Uh. In my journey here, I
had three meetings with a real nasty IRS agent who
wanted to wanted me to bring all my financial records
to this meeting give it to him so he could
calculate what my leged tax liability was. And so I

(54:35):
before the meeting, I wrote him a twenty five page
response on why I'm not required to give you these
documents and I'm not going to do it. And he
was mad, and I plopped that that document down on
his desk and he said, this is just taxpayer redditor,
anti tax rhetoric. I said, no, it's not. You should

(54:55):
probably read it, but he never did. But UH, that's
that's were going up against. But when I first got
involved in this, Uh, I decided as an auditor number one,
I get my ducks in a row. I read and
I study, and I know where I'm coming from. I
know that I'm the one writing the truth. And UH

(55:17):
that that's a very very powerful position to be in
when you know the other side is not. And so
I always went into these meetings, you know, full of
them and bigger and you know bring it so. Uh
So that's what I will suggest. If you're ever in
the situation, you're going to be contacted by the irs

(55:37):
first by letter. And I made the decision from the
very beginning to respond to every letter that they sent me,
and I did so. Now I have for five years
now and they've never really responded to any of them.

(56:02):
Are you there so you didn't know that you're in
a powerful position.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yes, we are. We are in a very powerful position.
I appreciate that. Lastly, I want to give Michael an
opportunity to respond to this as well.

Speaker 12 (56:18):
The first recommendation I'd give to anybody that's entering into
this into our society is don't lie. Don't file anything
that's bad. I think each one of the people in
this room will state that or can agree that. If
you lie, if you falsify stuff, if you try to
conceal things, you're going to set yourself up. That's what

(56:41):
they're looking for. But if you are a person like
us who didn't file any false documents, he simply, as
Ben said, ask the questions.

Speaker 8 (56:51):
Right.

Speaker 12 (56:52):
You have a responsibility in this nation to ask the question,
when a government agent comes to you, do you have
authority or not prove it? And that's their weakness. When you,
yourself love truth enough to not screw around with that,
and then you're looking at a government agent, that's coming value.

(57:12):
They hide behind injustice, behind half truth, smoking mirrors, and
if you are honest yourself, they fear that. It's like
that proverbial cross to a vampire. They run away with
their tails between their legs typically and listen. There's one
final thought on that interesting scripture is we might not

(57:34):
have won our case quote unquote won the case so far,
but that to us does not stop the quality or
shall we say, the unbelievable fraud of every attorney we've.

Speaker 8 (57:45):
Ever faced, tells us that we are right.

Speaker 12 (57:49):
So although we might not quote win yet, we're on
the right path and we will stay the course until
we get justice re established in this nation.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
From your lips to God's ears, America, you are being
asked to please step into the ring. There's a phone
number right there and an email on your screen on
the bottom. It's you can't miss it. It's a bright
green banner. Heather dot Hill at T I G. T
A Tikta dot tres t r e A s dot gov.
Her phone number if you want to call her at

(58:21):
it yesterday and left a nice detailed message is two
zero two nine two seven seven zero eight four. And
if you just tell her you're following up on a
complaint that has been registered, the complaint number is TRN
two four one zero zero three sixty four. Again, all
of this is on the screen. Please follow up on

(58:42):
the complaints and find out if you can get a
status update. If you can get a status update, you
can send me a DM on X, you can email
me if you go to Ann Vandersteel dot com and
find out if there's a status update when this complaint
is going to be resolved. What is their findings, because
we need that information to tell the Ninth to say, hey,
we're going to get a status update, they're going to

(59:02):
resolve this investigation, and we're going to have the evidence
one way or the other to go into the appeal
that's being filed in the Ninth Circuit. But we really
need to get this information into the Ninth before they
take mister Howe's home, which is next week next Friday,
So we're on a very short deadline, and we just
don't want them to, you know, because once they take something,
it's really hard to get it back and it becomes

(59:23):
a whole other level of court. And we now know
how up the judiciary is, and they just drag it out.
They wear you out with time because they have all
the time and we don't. So it's a machine that
we're up against. It's a goliath. But I believe tonight
you've heard from three gentlemen, and there's more coming. So again,
if you have been aggrieved by the IRS and a
former fashion go to my website and at Ann Vandershield

(59:45):
dot com send me an email. I want to hear
from you. Gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining me
this morning. I appreciate you and you are the David's
of our time.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
Thanks jam thanks for having us an. Yeah, God blessed,
blessing to you.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Okay, we've now heard how Joe Banister's whistleblower became undeniable
proof in the case of mister Ben Howe. We've seen
how the IRS falsified records, how the DOJ covered it,
and how the judiciary enabled it. While clerks strike briefs
without judges even reading them. We showed you exhibits and
by the DOJ's own admissions and white papers, all telling
the same story that America's tax system is not about law,

(01:00:22):
It's about fraud. The IRS is not one of the
nineteen constitutionally enumerated powers. It's an agency cartel extracting wealth
through fabricated records and judicial complicity. Mister Ben how mister
Michael Ellis, and mister Bob McNeil are showing this that
resistance is possible, that truth, faith and persistence can expose
the fraud. But exposure is not enough. Accountability must follow.

(01:00:46):
As long as Americans allow unelected bureaucrats to masquerade his
lawful government, the theft will continue. This is Steel News,
Iman Vandersteel, and we stand with the David's fighting Goliathe
because the Constitution, liberty, and truth are worth defending. God Bless,
I'm going to play you out with a little IRS
fraud to remind you there is no law that says
you must file and sacrifice and give away your hard

(01:01:09):
earned money to the infernal Revenue Service.

Speaker 15 (01:01:11):
There is no law, and to date, nobody has been
able to show that there is a law. For the
average American citizen working day in and day out to
pay an income tax.

Speaker 16 (01:01:24):
But we, the People Foundation for Constitutional Education, put a
full page ad in the USA Today on July seventh,
two thousand and within the body of that ad was
a fifty thousand dollars challenge for anyone that could show
the law. And to me, fifty thousand dollars is a
lot of money. So I went after that and did
the research based on the fact that I thought, let's
put this baby to bed. I'm hearing all these rumors.
You know, I'm going to kill two birds of one stone.

(01:01:45):
I'll answer these people's questions that are asking me, and
then I win this fifty thousand dollars. And you know,
based on the resources that I did throughout the year
two thousand and that I'm still doing, I have not
found that law. I've asked Congress, We've asked a lot
of people in the IRS, iras, commissioners, helpers. They can't
answer because if they answer, the American people are going
to know that this whole thing is a fraud.

Speaker 14 (01:02:07):
There is no law. There is no law that requires
the average American worker in the private sector to pay
a direct, unapportioned tax on their labor and compensation for services.
There is no law.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
I really expected that.

Speaker 17 (01:02:26):
Of course, there's a law that you can point to
in the law book, the code that requires you to
file a tax return.

Speaker 9 (01:02:33):
Of course there is.

Speaker 17 (01:02:34):
I mean, I don't know what it is right then
as he was speaking to me, but sure so naively
I agreed to go off and research it and get
back to him. Three and a half months later, I
was at that point where I couldn't find the statute
that clearly made a person liable, at least not me
and most people I know, and I had no choice

(01:02:55):
in my mind except to resign.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
I had to leave the IRS because I presented evidence
that I had accumulated indicating that the agency was violating
the law and violating people's rights. And I asked the
agency for a response to my sincere concerns, and the
answer I got was that they would not respond to

(01:03:17):
my concerns and that they would provide me with the
paperwork necessary to tender my resignation.

Speaker 18 (01:03:23):
You can look through the statutes and look for the
law that requires you to pay, and when you do that,
you can't identify a law that requires the average person
in America who earns a wage and works in private
business to pay an income taxes.

Speaker 14 (01:03:36):
American citizens, along with the Foundation, have been asking the
IRS to specifically provide them with the underlying legal foundation
upon which they administer and enforce the personal income tax
laws in our country.

Speaker 17 (01:03:52):
At the national level, when people would attempt to contact
somebody of a much higher authority, say the commissioner, same
kind of thing, they wouldn't get. They would get answers
that were, in effect non answers.

Speaker 19 (01:04:04):
You have to understand that an agency which will unlawfully
impose a tax that doesn't exist is not going to
care if we the people don't know what our rights are.

Speaker 20 (01:04:20):
They're not going to tell us.

Speaker 9 (01:04:22):
If Americans just learned that the IRS was actually knowingly deceiving.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Them, but that enough, that would be enough for them
to rise up and put a stop to it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:33):
One hundred percent of what is collected is absorbed solely
by interest on the federal debt. All individual income tax
revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the
services taxpayers expect from government. People have been told, you
know that you need this income tax system to fund government,
which is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, my question is, well,
If that's true, how did we fund government from seventeen

(01:04:54):
seventy six to nineteen thirteen.

Speaker 15 (01:04:56):
The main purpose of the income tax is not to
raise revenue, but to redistribute wealth and to control society.

Speaker 21 (01:05:04):
And a lot of people might say, well, gee, if
there wasn't an income tax, what would happen to education.
They don't understand that education is paid for for the
most part out of state and local taxes, your property tax.
People might say, well, how we're going to build and
maintain our highways if there's no money coming into the government.
We need our highways. There is a tax on every
gallon of gasoline that people buy. Proceeds from the income

(01:05:26):
tax do not pay for highway construction.

Speaker 20 (01:05:29):
I believe that in both spirit and substance, our tax
system has come to be un American. Death and taxes
may be inevitable, but unjust taxes are not.

Speaker 19 (01:05:40):
This small booklet includes the Constitution of the United States,
the Bill of Rights, a Declaration of Independence. This is
document that every citizen should read. It's a document which
freed an entire nation. This is the Internal Revenue Code,
and this document and the unlawful application of this document

(01:06:05):
by the Internal revenue service has enslaved the nation that
this document attempted to free

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