WE CHAT WITH GREEN BERET JEFF BOSLEY

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stories of Special Forces Operators podcast. Listen to
some of the bravest and toughest people on the planet
share their stories. Sit back and enjoy.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hey, welcome back everybody. Today, we have a great guest,
a former Special Forces green beret. But wait, he's also
an actor. He had an indie feature film called Parallax
Pa r A Double La Acts. You definitely got to
catch it. He started in and produced. It has been
making the festival rounds for the last several years, with
eleven awards as of December twenty twenty, including the Winter
of Best Actor, Best Producer, and Best Short Film and

(00:50):
Best Thriller. I have to say, I gotta love his
little bio. He's got proud theater geek turned Armies Special
Forces green beret. You just don't hear that very often.
And we've had some Green Berets in the past few weeks.
If you've been listening to the show, which I hope
you have, they really have changed my mind a little
bit about them because they've gone different routes. We know
a lot of Special Forces go into gun training and

(01:13):
recon training and things like that, which is great, but
we had one we remember I think it was Rod Graham.
He went into becoming golf pro so totally changed the world.
So really fascinating stuff. We can find more about. Jeff
Bosley is his name. He's got a podcast called The
Land of Boz bo Z Instagram. You can find him
at the Jeff Bosley The Jeff Bosley b O s

(01:35):
l E Y. Jeff is JE double F. By the way, folks,
you know what to do, share, subscribe, hit that I like,
but you know we like it. Thank you so much
for supporting our show. Let's welcome to the show, mister
Jeff Bosley.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Welcome, sir, Hey, sir, good to be here. I love
it to warn.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Job is going to change my voice when I got
onto the show.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
But no, there's a presentation. You just go into it.
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
So thank you very much. You know what I forgot
to say too. Thank you very much for your service
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Oh my honor, simply this is a very peculiar track
you have.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes, tell me a little bit about your acting first,
and I always kind of like going through like a
developmental stage of my Special Forces interviews. So what as
a child did you always want to be an actor?
Did you want to be Special Forces were both what
was going on.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
The running joke and it's it's I do say it
all every time somebody kind of touches on that question.
Is I knew I wanted to be g I Joe
because I know I watched way too much TV growing
up and way too many movies. It wasn't a couch
of Pato. You know. My parents made sure I was
in sports and everything, but I didn't differentiate between the
reality of that thought and the fiction of that thought.

(02:39):
And so it doesn't surprise either my parents that I
did that. I went both routes, you know, at certain points,
like but they they couldn't have even predicted which one.
So I always loved playing bertand I was like, kind
of it wasn't like I was like, it's the stereotype
it be. I was like, I was a latch key kid.
I was a home alone I'd live in fantasy World
because that was like a coping and it wasn't that

(03:01):
I just I had a regular I'm pretty happy with
the way I was brought up, and playing bretend was
always an interesting thing because I watched movies and watched TV,
but because I was raised by an er doctor in
a stay at home mother. Fortunately, I just saw my
template of quote unquote normalcy was academia, like you go
to high school, you go to college, you get a job,

(03:21):
you do that. So it never really breached into the
acting performance stuff, neally breached into an actual practice until
many many years after chasing quote unquote normal jobs in
normal careers. And so it it's a chicken and egg.
I can never really could see. I wish there was
a day I could be. I can like tell the

(03:42):
day where I went, Okay, now time to try the
switch to gears. But as far as the chicken and egg,
which came first, it's the kind of were synonymous. You know.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
That's interesting, man, you got so many points I want
to touch on because I don't know about six years older.
I'm fifty one. I don't know wanted me to say
your age. I guess I accidentally said it your age.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
One forty five. I just turned forty five. I'm a stubborn,
proud tourists.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
But I guess that was kind of the mindset we
had growing up too, that we were the last one
of the few generations. You've said that trajectory was really common,
which yes, you kind of just expected to go to
college up to high school. Yeah, and now we're back
into the phase where and by the way, when I
say back into the phase, folks, these things happen every
twenty thirty years. This is nothing new now within the
phase where a lot of people aren't going to college
as a low enrollment. This happened to before in the

(04:26):
seventies and the sixties. It was low and then they
went up in the eighties and the nineties, and so
nothing new really there. But it was kind of funny.
I guess I have to bring this up because you're
the first person ever bring up g I Joe. But
that was really a big I mean I had all,
I had all a little action figure dude.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Yeah, they literally influenced my upbringing, the actual characters, the cartoons.
I probably watched Rambo too soon as the age I
was at, but Rambo was a green bray and so
it was always there. And yeah, it's you're absolutely right.
Like Mike Rose, I really am fascinated by his perspective
and he talks about that cycling education process and how

(05:02):
for some reason you and I it sounds like we're
of the generation where like we weren't like shunned from
the trades, you know, welding, you know. But at the
same time, they weren't. And my dad, he's an amazing
he was brought up like by a Nebraska dirt farmer,
you know. So it's not like being a physician was
Actually he was told to be a doctor like so,
but it wasn't like forced on me. So it wasn't

(05:23):
like you got to be a doctor, because we were
all doctors. But we were brought up in that generation
where there was this unspoken, subconscious passive you're going to
go to college, you're not. Don't go be a welder,
don't go be an audio you know, mechanic. You know,
they weren't shunned. I'm sure there's some people that thought
they were higher than thou. My dad wasn't that way,
but Mike row had. I just saw him on an
interview that was floating around the algorithm and he was

(05:45):
talking about that. He goes, there's for some reason, there's
this generation where people were those the trades were shunned.
But in reality, especially during the pandemic, people realized everybody
is needed, you know, and and it really opened up
a lot. And it sounds like people like you, and
I am like, I went to college and beat that
college horse to death, and I just did it on principle,

(06:06):
you know. And it was as.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
A matter of fact, it was it. You were going
to school twenty two to twenty four years.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, that's what you did. That was it. And most
people didn't do it because they wanted to, Like I
went because you're supposed to. And my grades reflected that
I didn't drink or party or do drugs, but my
grades reflected lack of incentive. I had. No I was
a high honor student high school. But once I got
to college, I was like, what why am I? What
am I doing this for? You know? Okay, I guess
I'll go to pre med.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
That's interesting. So you didn't drink or do any of
that stuff. Now have you ever done that or did
you get into drinking? I'm not really.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
By the time I was like interested in doing it, it
was kind of too late. Everything I've done in my
life I've been I've missed by like five years to
the right, you know. So I went to college. I
just hung out and I went to Seattle and took pictures.
I was like, I hung out. I was really embarrassing.
It sounds like I'm hiding something. I just didn't do anything,
and by the time I was like, oh, I wonder

(07:02):
if I should just drink to relax, I was like,
I kind of miss that phase, you know. And then
by the time I joined the Army, I was kind
of too old, even though like my younger peers because
I joined later, they were doing that. And I had
my weekends here and there. Don't get me wrong, but
by no means was it. I would ever attribute it
to a giant like phase like, oh, that's your basic
training phase where everybody drank on the weekends in airborne school,

(07:24):
where your college freshman phase. I had my weekends, I
got my fill to feel like I played cautch up
and I was like, oh, that's good. I definitely know
what I'm I wasn't missing anything, so I was kind
of just kind of late to that game.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's interesting to me. The reason I bring it up
is because I just saw a comedian, Jim mcgaff again,
and he made a point, which is interesting. I didn't
have my first alcoholic drinks while I was twenty eight.
I was never interested in it. If I was going
to spend calories was going to be on a brownie
and not on an alcohol That was just kind of
waiting for me.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah, fitness has been in my life forever exactly.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
That's exact what I felt like. So we kind of
have this similarity which I don't usually find. And but
if he made the interesting point is I always got
that question that he brought up in the joke, which
was why you know, why don't you drink? And it
was like, wow, it was funny. The pressure never left.
No matter how old I got, people were still trying
to get me to drink. And the only time I
ever drink, and the only reason I did drink, which

(08:21):
the audience never knows and you'll be the first person
to hear it podcast, is I dated a bartender okay,
and I had the real hots for and she told
me she wanted me to try one drink a week
and I said, okay. So we went out for six
months and every week I just tried one. No, No,
it was worth the deal.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
I am. The deal was with I have an ex
who she said, if I wasn't obsessed with fitness and health,
I would probably be an alcoholic because I would take
that that drive of obsessive.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
That's why she's an ex Yeah, go ahead, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
No, there's a lot more reasons. But she said that,
and I was like, it probably is. Like I'm always
was thinking that way. And I mean, I'll admit I think,
you know, it's not like some big doctor Phil moment.
But I think for me during pandemic is where I
fell into the cliche, you know. And I was in
my forties where I was like, oh, I'm bored and
that's turned the brain off and just kind of relaxed
a little bit, you know, and never fortunately, ironically, because

(09:15):
of the fitness thing, I would when I consumed alcohol,
I would do it. I would track the calories in
the alcohol, you know, I know, like one point five
ounces of Jackie I knows is sixty nine calories. I
would consume enough water, never woke up hungover, never drove drunk,
never made stupid decisions, you know, so I'd never paid
a consequence so to speak. That makes a lot of

(09:36):
people go, oh, I got to stop, you know. So
I kind of I kind of what's his name? Do
you watch a Parks and rec I kind of ron
swans of it later in life, and I was like
I really like a good whiskey, you know, And I
was like, I'll have a good whiskey. You know. The cities.
This is when I was working in San Francisco, so
they shut down big time, as you can imagine. So
I was like, oh, the city shut down. I'm going

(09:57):
to sit here and just watch a show and just
have a good, strong, you know, glass of goods quality whiskey.
You know. I didn't need to go drink crappy beer.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
And YI is still shutting down. Unfortunately, they lost a
lot of stories. They lost two more Yester Week I
think two restaurants too.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
And I worked there. I worked the sounds fancy than is.
I was a covert protection agent, so it's basically an
undercover bodyguard. And this billionaire he stood up a staff
of former soft guys like for some reasons, he's never
had an attack on him. He's never had any sort
of targeting on him. He's a known enough guy. It's
not Zuckerberg, to be clear, equally as big though. But

(10:35):
like I said his name, I still have NDA's But
if I said his name, nobody know who he is.
If I said what he did, people know that, but
they still wouldn't know him, but he's amazing.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
How many of those there are.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, and he was a billionaire and he wanted it.
He like, we had safe houses around San Francisco full
of armored cars, Like I felt like I was back
in the Middle East. He had an armored car fleet.
It was a bunch of seals, green berets, swat former cops,
litter agency people like. He had an amazing stack of crew.
But it was I mean, I'll take it. I was

(11:05):
happy to take the paycheck, but it was such a
waste of his money because he had no targeting on him.
But se Yeah, when the city shut down, he was
smart to retain us. He was of the mind of
one direction of that political standpoint, and he said, Okay,
you guys all just stay home and I'll keep paying you.
And I was like, okay, because he didn't want to

(11:25):
lose all of us, because to get a lot of
typical soft guys to move to San Francisco, most of
our types don't want to live there. So he knew
it would be hell on earth to build up a
whole new team.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
How many did he have with you guys, I mean we.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Worked in twelve hour shifts to twelve, so it was
you know an eight. Yeah, so I mean he and
he had two four and it was I mean it
was like a small fire department. I mean it was
holy count maybe twenty and that was the covert not
counting is not counting his property. Crew and like that
were actually you know, in uniforms and everything. He was
no joke. And so during pandemic when that city locked down,

(12:04):
because San Francisco it was and is, in my opinion,
hell on Earth. He didn't he paid us full rate
and all we had to do is check in in
the morning with our team leader. And because he didn't,
he didn't want to start over because he knew it
was hard to get people that are typically that filled
the ranks of special operations. We don't live in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
He was showing how millions of dollars for all of
you guys combined.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
No, yeah, his I mean just the sheer amount of
just the pay rate. Like every time we got something,
he would he had his own plane. I mean, he
was no joke.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I guess the billionaires that's probably costing him a future literally.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Didn't have this is such like war stories, but he
didn't have a license plates on any of his his
sports cars. He just would pay the fine. He didn't
like the way license plates looked, and he had a fleet.
I don't quote me on this, I want to say
I think he had. This might help some people could
reverse google this. He had the biggest certain if I
say this, it'll give it away because it's online. But

(12:59):
a certain model of a sports car he had the biggest.
He has the biggest collection in the world, and not
a single one of them had a license plate. And
he would drive them all over and just take the
license plate or take the the whatever the If he
got pulled over, he'd pay the fee and go about
his business.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
So I don't know if you want to answer this
or not. You don't have to. But did you get tired,
did you leave it? Or did he finally say, you
know what, I really don't need you guys?

Speaker 3 (13:21):
There was a certain mandate that came down the pipeline
that I opted not to partake in. Okay, And so they,
ironically that's where the NBA kicks. No worries, Yeah, no,
they just they they mandated a certain thing that I
wasn't comfortable with, and we just peacefully went our separate ways,

(13:41):
which was good because like I this as I get older,
and I'm sure you've kind of gone through the same
thing I look at. I created this triangle of priorities
like who you work with, like where you are, and
like happiness, like yeah, the job itself, you know, and
so like two one to two of those legs have
to be for filling. So for me, the pay rate

(14:02):
was great, the people I worked with were great, but
the company I worked for and the client I worked
for not good. And where I lived sucked. I hated it.
So I was like, there's two legs of that triangle
that just sucked. The pay was great, but I was like,
you know what this is maybe kismet. I don't know.
Happy to leave San Francisco, Like it wasn't hard. The

(14:23):
paychecks sucked to lose, Like, don't get me wrong, it
was awesome. Got me out of debt and I broke
even with a lot of school debt and just various debts.
So that was great. You know, it kind of helped
me zero out some things. But San Francisco just I
have friends that's still there, due respect, but that place
was just you know what we see on the news now,

(14:44):
I don't think it's gotten worse or better. It's the
exact same thing. It's just been getting more recognition. I
mean the amount of times I stepped over human feces
and dudes shooting up in front of like grade schools,
like it's it felt like some apocalyptic Mad Max existence.
It was so I feel bad. Don't be wrong for
all the where humanity has taken some people down those roads,

(15:04):
but it was just it was repulsive. You know. It
was just little girls and kids at grade schools. Shouldn't
be stepping over heroin needles and or druggies like that.
Shouldn't coexist.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
No, absolutely. By the way, who.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Angry dark tangent.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Folks can look this up. But they actually had a
poop patrol out there in San Francisco. They paid on
like seventy five thousand a year.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, there was a we we would not
wear our boots, like our our you know whatever, because
we were covert. So we wore like ten of shoes.
It's not like we had uniforms, you know, but we'd
all leave them in the the We had like a teamhouse,
and we would never wear them home because God knows
what we stepped in during our shift, and uh, it's
an ambulance's caller. It's called caviside, it's a it's it's

(15:46):
lysol on steroids basically, and we'd have to spray down
our shoes, you know, just because God only knows what
we stepped in, and you would see.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, it's just let me ask you this. I agree. Yeah,
did the Green Bereat training I help you doing this
in San Francisco? I mean, did you see it actually beneficial?
Or was this kind of like you real they didn't
need to be trained for this?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
It was it did both. And I've answered this before,
but this is the first time I realized how to
actually articulate it. The green Beery mentality helped me more
than the training did. And I even apply that to
the Hollywood stuff, like it just helped me tolerate crap better,
just because I've been through some horrible things. So, and
I always say this phrase, my spectrum of suck was

(16:30):
pretty wide after serving in special forces, like, I can
tolerate more. But excuse me. The flip side of it was,
my expectations were that of special forces, and our client
was a rich billionaire, and you can imagine just different
two different headspaces, and so he hired all these people
that we've got along great, but he didn't run the

(16:52):
show the way we needed it run. So it's kind
of our blessing became a curse in that environment. So
in that case, it hurt, you know, very hard. The
mentality helped me tolerate the misery sometimes, but the training
and experience and standards were sometimes almost like a catch
twenty two. It actually made the shift sometimes really frustrating.
But like when it came to the medical stuff, Like

(17:13):
since I was in eighteen Delta, that was a joke
for me, Like our training was easy as far I was.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Getting ready to ask you that question. You wiped it
out for me. I feared you were going to go
great team Delta. I thought it he must have been.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
Yeah, So like we had to be all cross trained,
like they ran it like an eight, like an ODA
and a team, so like you know, we weren't armed,
but like they were ready for medical contingencies, and so
I was like those were nice mental vacation days for me.
When we had to do the EMT training and the
paramedic training, it was just it was an amazingly staffed thing.
It's just weird to be in San Francisco. I felt

(17:46):
like I was working for Blackwater in Iraq protecting a congressman.
It was so it was very surreal.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Now I got to push you a little bit, since
we're similar in age, I wonder I don't know if
it was Hannibal the eighteen Special Forces was what's that?
Do you remember? Eighteen?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah? Yeah, special Forces?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Were they special Forces?

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Does?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah? Animal?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah? O DA stands for Operational Detachment Alpha an eighteen
A is the A team, but I mean the TV show, Yeah,
so they were that's where. Yeah, so we're called A
teams and that show is called an A Team Select Delta.
They're they're O D E d's Operational Detachment Delta's.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Okay, now I can hear all the audience now going,
how the hell is this guy doing this?

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Because it seems so coincidental that it can't be Like
you're like, it's got to be a coincidence because it's
too too connected. But it's they might not have known that.
They might have just been like, oh, I've heard an
A team. That sounds cool, but they might not have
realized it. So, but by definition, since they were the
A team, that comes from an operational Detachment Alpha, I e.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Green Brays, because I don't know if the show.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Hitch that, I don't think. Yeah, like, I watched it
growing up, and I remember I remember I watched the
Abomination of a movie you know that came out about
ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
I don't remember they ever it was Colonel Colonel or
colonel or General Hannibal or whatever.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Then oh gosh, yeah, we're screaming at it too.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Bab racas of course, mister t so like it.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
I don't think they ever went to any sort of
advisor or consultant to go out, can we make the
age through eighteen? Obviously, I don't remember driving around any
country with a cool truck or van in civilian clothes,
or at least those civilian clothes. Like they took a
very huge artistic license. As far as making a true ODA.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, here was my shame. I had to look it up.
So people are gonna say, where you got the internet?
A team of ex Special Forces soldiers.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
No kidding. So they did went up to it. They
owned up to the accuracy.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
They never sit in on the trailers on the lamb
from the military police, even if they didn't really commit
the crime which their in prison, Hannibal Face man Ba
and Murdoch. That's right, yet it was Johnnie.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
A lot of times I've seen this and I give
it forgodness because it's one of those things like until
you've served or you know, you just don't know. So
like I try out to critique military movies because they're
not making a documentary. They're making something entertaining, like they
try to nail it. Like I think black Hawk downs
are great reference. It's entertaining, It got the story accurate.
It took some licenses because it's supposed to be but
it's it's not supposed to be documentary. So like I

(20:20):
love that kind of balance. But I think a thing
that I see that happens in media a lot is
the phrase special forces. A lot of people think it's
a catch all, when in true, accurate reality, the words
special forces truly only applies to Army green berets, Like
we literally have a tab on our uniform that says
special Forces in a you know, in a piece of lcrow,

(20:42):
whereas Seals, Seal Team six, Delta and all that, those
are special operations, so they're not synonymous. And so especially
in movies, they say, oh, it's formal special Forces. Technically
that'd be a Green Beret. There's no branch that literally
is special forces other than Army special Forces. Like our
our our orders will say it's called a tab or

(21:02):
your tab orders space it'll say the special Forces tab
has been warded to Jeff Bosley. So the words so,
but that's like deep in the weeds of nobody would
know that had I not told you, or had somebody
not been a Green Beret.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
So there's a lot of people right now.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, nobody would know. It's it's a loose I don't know.
But like Seals Seal Team six U seventy fifth Range Regiment,
there's part of the Special Operations. But the discrimination is
the phrase special Forces. They're not one and the same.
You know, special Forces is under the Special Operations umbrella,
but not vice versa.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
That's fascinating, by the way, remembering it right, but I'm
ninety nine sure I'll know. Yeah, I want to hear it.
I'm happy to be wrong. It's definitely cobwebs, by the way.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Folks are getting can find more from Jeff at the
Jeff Bosley over on Instagram, The Jeff Bosley we can
go to his website Jeff Bosley dot com and check
out his podcasts as well, The Land of Boz. So
my last question in this is a unique thing about
you because you have Hollywood backgrounds. It makes me keep
sticking around here. But we're going to get off of

(22:09):
this in a minute, because I know the audience wants
to know about your experiences as well as the green
bray a little bit in the movie. We can share
one one story that doesn't have to be exciting. It
could be something that's close to your heart. It could
be funny. We've heard all kinds of stories. But before
we get to that, do you remember the show called
cover Up?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Oh God, I thought I was at least heard of
just about everything. That one doesn't ring a bell.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yeah, it's why it didn't last long. It did well
the first year and the main actor, John Eric Hexham,
at the time, he was playing around with the prop
gun and it misfired and killed them. So the show
from there kind of started waffling because the new guy
came in no offense to him, but it was everybody
was kind of upset about the whole situation and kind

(22:52):
of messed everything up for a while.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
For them to understood.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, but he had an interesting job because it reminds
me so much of yours, kind of was he was
a Green Beret. So they start off the show with
him and the Jungles somewhere and he's doing whatever he's doing,
and then eventually he becomes a bodyguard for a modeling agency,
so all these women are around him.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, it was really funny, and so it was kind
of cool to see that. I was like, oh, this
is interesting. So he's got that going He's That's what
motivated me to look really into it, and I was like, wow,
this is really cool.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
It was more than Rambo used that as a template
for my career. When I when I'm low on work,
I should just go watch that show and just follow
his footsteps.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Bring it back, bring it back, rekindle it because it's
about twenty five, thirty years and thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean, they're remaking everything. Why not something like exactly, I.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Think would be a great show. So it was a
lot of fun back then. And I think the woman
who's on it is still alive and we haven't.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Heard of that. I thought I had a mardal of
pop culture. Green Beret reference down to some really the
did you ever watch it? I just forgot what it
was called burn Notice it was on us. Correctly, he
was a green bray if you go by the rules.
I was mentioning because he says he always says in
the voice or he's like, well back in special Forces.
So if he's going by the actual factual rules, I'm

(24:12):
just like, Oh, Mike Weston's a green bray.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I thought he was a CIA guy.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
Okay, well he was after the fact. He did work
for the agency after, but he always did career beforehand,
he always and it was just but again, I know
at the end of the day, they were just saying
what they thought sounded cool. Nobody was in the writer's
room going, Okay, Michael Weston was a green bray therein
he should be saying the prease special Forces. They're like, ah,
he says special forces here, just move on, move on.

(24:36):
You know we have Rambo and and people if they
know the old uh John Wayne movie the Green Bereys
literally was called that. But there's not a lot of
a lot of known like even a movie. It's it's
it's a warde. If I'm saying that right, there's a
Ben Affleck movie called Triple Frontier. It was on Netflix.
Technically those were Green Brays and uh.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
There are good.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's it's entertaining if you don't know anything and just
go in there, get your popcorn, watch the movie. You know.
Don't go in there expecting black Hawk Down, is what
I'll say. And technically it's a they're former Odaight, former
Green Beret teammates, and again, go in there, turn your
brain off. It's if I've watched it a couple of times.
But I definitely can see how some more like militant

(25:21):
green Brays are just like they just they just want
to pick it that that movie just sensor.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
By the way, folks, black Hawk Down, I love that movie. Yeah,
and I've been blessed enough to interview four people during that.
You can catch those interviews to folks. Brad Thomas was
one of the drivers of the humviies Kyle Lamb, which
a lot of people have already probably heard of already,
Tom Satterley, Delta. Yeah, we're really blessed, and it's just

(25:51):
that it's really stunning to hear their still version of it.
When you watch the movie and you're kind of like
you're in that yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I I honestly it sounds somber and almost emotionally masochistic.
But every Memorial Day I'll actually watch that, maybe a
few good men, maybe of saving Private Ryan. But I
always watch something to remind myself, like, hey, that things
could be way worse. And that's also remember kind of
our heritage. But black hawk Down has always been a

(26:18):
go to for me. And and there's one I have
a My best friend was in a couple of wars
that are in books, they haven't made it to movies,
and yeah, it's the exact same thing. I'm like, I
can't believe, you know, Like I every time I reread
or come up this war, you know, this battle he's in,
I just I'll text him. I'm like, Jerry, I'm holy god,
I'm so glad you're still alive. Like just statistically you

(26:41):
shouldn't have made it, you know. So I think those
are really interesting for perspective, especially when they do it
right in honor. I think black hawk Down is like
if Ken is a documentary, like an absurd, factually perfect documentary,
I would say that's still a nine out of ten,
like The Tenth Loss is, just because it's an entertain
it's it was made to entertain more than you know, document.

(27:02):
But I'm taking it down a tenth just on principle.
I still think it's a ten out of ten personally.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
You know, everybody I talked to that was there, they'd
have didn't really have many qualms about it, And I
was I was wondering if they're going to have some
blowback on the movie, But they really didn't.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
They didn't. I don't think they. I think they really
met the balance because if they make it unentertaining, the
people wouldn't want to see it and the story wouldn't
get told, you know. So it's like you gotta find
that sweet spot, you know. And at the end of
the day, it's still a business in making money and entertainment,
so they want to make it accessible if they just
find out it's a boring warfest, you know. But I
think they did it really good, Like it wasn't political,

(27:41):
you know. No, I think thirteen Hours has a political
background to it. But I still think that that's a
good one. Even though it's typically by the director of
the Transformer movies, who typically does everything to a fifteen level. Fifteen,
he doesn't go to a ten like he Michael Bay
does everything at a fifteen I think thirteen hours. I
have one to two degrees of separation from a handful

(28:01):
of guys that were through that, and they said it's
not bad, you know, They're just like it. It tells
our story, you know, or tells their story. And I
was like, all right, cool, So those two are for me.
I'll watch thirteen Hours on Memorial Day a lot too.
Like that one's a good one for I like a
lot because that was that was That was the Bengazi one. Yeah, yeah,
that one.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
That was a good one. I get that one confused
sometimes with Zero Dark thirty, but that was a one.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Yeah. Yeah. And then there's the Uh, I just forgot
the Mark Wahlberg Steel movie. There's tons of steal movies.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Obviously Green Zone. The Green Zone was, uh, that was Mark.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Yeah, I can't remember the Mark Whlberg. I'm just literally
the book is probably sitting here, but he Uh. The
only reason I didn't watch that one was because I
was actually in a school and we saw the unedited
helmet cam footage the Al Jazier released prior to the
American media getting it, and it was just it was heinous,
you know, it was just it was just atrocious, and

(28:53):
so I was like, I don't need to see that
was the one thing. I was like, I can probably
watch any war movie, but that was the one. I
was like, I've seen firsthand, and I was like, I
want to distance myself from that one because that footage
was uh Mark Latrell, that guy that oh yeah, yeah,
it's brain farting on what that one's called?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
That was a shoot. Well, we can look it up
in the linuit. I can find sure Survivor lone Survivor.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
Yeah, I found the book, so yeah, it's uh that one.
I was like, I'm good. I saw the helmet cam footage,
you know, before it was chopped up, and it was
ironic because they chopped it up obviously do their their
psyops campaign. You know, they're not bad at what they do,
you know, I'm not the enemy is good at what
they do. Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
And by the way, folks, we're gonna do a little
surprise for you. We're gonna run out of time for
today's show. Uh So what I'm gonna do is because
of two part series with Jeff, So we're going to
continue our venture here in Hollywood as well as special
force as what he saw. We're gonna talk a little
bit about some of the things that he experienced, but
next time we'll talk about his deployments. We're gonna talk

(29:59):
about jiu jitsu and martial arts, but he thought about that.
Some of you might know. I've been doing jiu jitsu
now for a couple of years. I really enjoy it.
I do muay Thai and wrestling. Trying not to start
wrestling in fifty one, but hey, whatever, that's an experience
of a lifetime, you know, and they have a different definition.

(30:20):
I'll take it easy. But you got the funniesteling you
guys do too.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Perspective is a bitch, and the older we get, the
more it's redefined.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
That's a good point. Let me go back to the
movie series again. It's a unique opportunity. We don't usually
get this. I'm sure the audience knows too. A lot
of special forces, in special ops whatever you want to
call it. Now, I gotta be careful how I say it.
A lot of them don't like Hollywood depictions of it,
and I get it. In one movie that stood out
to me, I liked it because of the psychological impact.

(30:51):
I thought it was represented it that because every time
I brought it up, I always got the same blowback.
Nobody goes and does that by themselves. Nobody goes and debtonates.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Do I get it?

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I get it? But it's a psychology.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Oh see if we can get it the mom diffuser
guy hurt Locker, Yeah, hurt Locker.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
That's what I was telling you, like off air before
we recorded, is I'm my own worst enemy. Like I
know to go in there, and I feel like the
first Fast and Furious it was about street racers, highly believable.
But when you start getting to fast and furious, I
don't know two through ten, you need to mitigate your
your standards, so to speak. So it's a movie, and
I always use this phrase, it's not a documentary. They're

(31:31):
gonna take artistic license and I'll and I never thought
of it until I said it to you about Blackhawk
Down a minute ago. What's going to tell that story
if it's boring and mundane, Because truly, anybody that's been
a military nosen it's a military or not, or any
three letter agency or law enforcement a day in the
life of those jobs, you would not want a two
hour movie of that boring as hell. You're like, we're

(31:52):
talking before we recorded, you're putting poop and zip lock bags.
Like there's funny, nuanced in moments, but there's not a
two hour movie out of it. So to tell that
hurt Locker story, which is based on a you know,
a story that needs to be told. Same with Blackhawk Down,
same with thirteen Hours. I argue, objectively, as a fan,
not a guy who wants to be in movies, you
need to make it appeal to more people that if

(32:15):
you want that story out there, you know, you're not
making a movie to an empty audience. You got to
get people in those seats. So I think, yeah, he
wouldn't go alone. I mean deep, what is it? Uh?
I just forgot what's going twelve Strong? It's the Chris
Hemsworth movie that came out that's literally about Green Berays.
It's actually they sing the Green Brays song really yeah,
And there's there's moments in there where you're like, no, no, no, Chris.

(32:37):
You know he's on a horse, which is that's what
kind of got us our fame in the Afghanistan War,
is you saw horse soldiers that that was a raised
when they first went in very common for us to
use horses. But in the movie he's shooting tanks with
a horse and his accuracy is amazing. I don't care.
I couldn't. I couldn't shoot running and hit the way
he was getting on a horse, you know. So like

(32:59):
just go in there and like turn the brain off,
look for the message. You know, are we going in
to watch a documentary or not? You know? And I
think hurt Locker was a great story and people are
entitled to not want to watch it if it's not accurate.
And I you know, okay, are they making the movie
for the five people in that theater that will see
the inaccuracies or the other two hundred people in the

(33:21):
theater that are there to see a great story and
get some you know, get the right people the right recognition.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
That's a great point.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
I mean, you need to go back to Platoon, Like
obviously it was highly fictionalized, but I would argue, like
like you said, with the hurt Locker, there was a
psychological aspect that I think Platoon nails, Like the psychology
of any Vietnam vet. I can't wrap my mind around
to be in those head spaces. I don't think. I
just forgot the director h Stone, Oliver Stone, what was

(33:52):
it for that one?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Was apocalypse now?

Speaker 3 (33:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Bocalypse now? Was the cop?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, we're going way back here.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
The director of Platoon, I don't think he really. I
don't think he just made stuff up from nowhere. Like
anybody talks to Vietnam vet or knows enough about Vietnam.
There's a psycho psychology that he extrapolated and made entertaining, obviously,
but he didn't just pull out of thin air. I
don't think same with you know, we were soldiers once,
same same generation, and it's still I think there's a

(34:21):
foundation of accuracy that if they're doing the story justice,
that allows me to turn off the inaccuracies. And and
and so I have some friends I would say when
they get all picky about those movies, I'm like, just
shut up and go enjoy it, you know, go watch
the movie. But if they don't want to because it's
not accurate, they're entitled to that. But I'm also not
going to go to Fast and Furious and go, wait,

(34:41):
what is a car in space? You know, just shut up,
get your popcorn, and enjoy the movie.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
He made some great points there too. It was Oliver Stone.
You're right, Kuper was Metal Jacket.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Yes, yeah, full Metal Jack another great one. The basic training,
the basic training experience like that movie captures it pretty
damn good.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
I think they have Band of Brothers is pretty good too.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Yeah. I mean that's the thing is that gif. People
just would amalgamize the movie versus the moments that they
don't agree with. You know, I think people, especially in
this day and age, people, I mean, you t I'm
sitting next to comic book stuff right to the right
of me. People critique comic book stuff to death. It's
like you realize you're fighting over a comic book, right,

(35:22):
just go in there and enjoy it, you know. And
it's just it's it's uh, I'm guilty of it too.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not like this perfect Yoda
sitting at home, all perfect and you know and pure.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
But it's as I got a new job for you.
Oh yeah, you can start a new podcast on YouTube
where you talk about the Green Gray movies. You can
get chance in.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
This because there's not that many. I'd be probably done in.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
All week, once a month, I guess.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Yeah, yeah, I'll really milk it.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Hey, you know what, folks. By the way, you can
check out my friends over at the Collective over on YouTube.
They did a great podcast. Jeff was on there as well.
Social Forces gentleman by the name of Sean Taylor, Master
Corporal Burls is not that I know of. I don't
think he is Special Forces. You can find it at
the Collective Live. It's every day at eleven am Pacific time.

(36:12):
This month, they're doing a great one called Mental Health
and Violence. Actually, one of my buddies is speaking right
now as we do this show, Alan Schabarro from We
Defy a Foundation. He's on it right now, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Allan Yeah, And that got me on the Collective. In fact,
I was wearing his gee to jiu jitsu last week
and I texted him and he said he misses my face.
And then he sent me an amazing video of his
new truck he's been working on.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Man, he's really like it. Like I said, truck.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah. Aun's good dude, He's a he's a solid, solid guy.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
He's talking right now. You know what, I'm going to
do something we haven't done before either. I'm going to
go ahead and send him a message on the chat
and say hi. From Jeff Carlos.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Awesome, No that show and yeah, I'll pimp it with
you like it's this whole month. They're doing a mental
health focus to focus on the men's health mental Awareness
month of June, and Chances really crushing it as far
as bringing up, especially in the men's the male realm,
a lot of things that could be taboo or things
guys don't want to talk about. Chance and Shawner bringing

(37:15):
them up, you know, and so it's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
What do you need right now? T mac is talking
Patrick McNamara especially.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
I know who he is. I've never met him.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
I think he's den't know what it is.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
I think, yeah, I think he went further down the
rabbit hole in the art in our world.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
We're sending it right now. I just send it to
the setting. I'm currently talking with Jeff Bozzi. He says,
Hi to Alan and all of you were plugging you now.
So they're going to be on the show as well,
folks in a couple of weeks, but definitely catch that show.
We're going to try to collaborate a little bit more
together in the future. I think I really like what
they're doing over there. Super nice guys and all of
you guys that have met have been great. I think

(37:55):
we're having zeb on here next week. A.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Yeah, we're out of the show that I think I
put in, Like Sean truly feels like my little I
tell Betty my better half. I tell her that she
don't get names because I just mentioned so many names.
I say, Sean, I'm like the Canadian Yoda guy. You
should have heard what he said today because he's he's
such this Yoda esque Buddhist but he's Canadian. So there's
like a spin, you know, he has. I love his delivery.

(38:18):
And so he's my little Canadian Yoda that sits on
my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Canadian Yoda. It's the smart guy.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
She is very intelligent, super nice guy.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I know we're running out of time here. We got
about three or four more minutes to go, and like
I told people, we're going to do a part two
next time. We'll talk more about his deployments. But I
want to start I want to kind of segue, kind
of segue, but I want to introduce the concept of
the next show by asking this question. Now, you've seen
a lot of these movies. Did you see a lot
of movies prior to your deployment and Special Forces. And

(38:50):
I guess my first question from that there's two two parts.
Did you see a lot of movies before? And then
the second one? Did you ever get in there where
you were doing either a seer training. I'm not sure
if you think you're young enough that. Yeah, I've had
some other green braids, Like, nah, I just missed that
cut up, So you got seer training. Did you ever
go in there and say, what the hell are they filming?
That says nothing like I saw in the movie?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah, I think yeah, Like I I liked movies before
I went in, so like I had seen, you know,
obviously it's generational, like I couldn't have obviously been in
any of the Vietnam I'm too younger, you know. But
like I've seen all the ones we mentioned Platoon Apocalypse
Now and I was drawn to those and I was
very entertained by him. But I would say the first
one I saw, the closest one to my enlistment was

(39:35):
Black Hawk Down. Like I remember the day I went
with my friends into the theater and it still was
it was still a hot minute before I actually enlisted.
After that, Like, and I remember when I went to
see her. Great, that's my pull. I remember explicitly was
the movie G I. Jane, because it's the only movie
that had a sear school segment in any military movie
I had seen. And I remember explicitly going, this is

(39:58):
nothing like G I j G I j the movie
where Demi Moore plays, they do a female scene experiment
say what you will. It was again I went in there,
bought popcorn, watched the movie. But I remember there was
a very explicit uh segment in the movie on the
seer on their seer experience, and I remember my seer
experience multiple times making the joke. I'm like, this is

(40:18):
nothing like GEI Jane, you know. But I hadn't had enough.
I didn't have a lot of reference points before black
Hawk Down, you know, to go this isn't like I
remember it, or this isn't like the movies. It wasn't
until I got out and then got played around in
Hollywood where I like retroactively dissected that that disaster.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
That's it. Yeah, she was the moment. I'm thinking about
the other girl, Meg Ryan. What was she remember she had.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
She was like she was a pilot or something with
Samuel L. Jackson.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Was it a pilot. It was something else.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Oh no, she's like a tanker, a tank command or
something like that. Yeah, I know, exactly.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Shoot, I can't remember. You should have had like a
list of all the we're going to talk about.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
Really could call these up, Like I have a weird
spectrum when it comes to memorizing these movies.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
But well, next time we'll continue talking a little bit
about that, but also about the guns, the shooting. You
mentioned the horse with it hemsworth kind of funny. I
wrote a book on ISIS recruitment a few years ago.
It's how I got into this law enforcement sphere yea.
And so when I wrote the book, I had to
read all the ISIS material and all the crap that

(41:27):
they were doing and all the stuff that they were happening.
They're extremely smart individuals, unfortunately, yes, very good in marketing.
So that was part of their prophecy. They had to
ride horses, four of them, in Davic over in Syria,
because that's what the prophecy had said. And it was
interesting to see that because I remember watching one of

(41:48):
their promo videos. Is we actually had promo videos. You
don't know about much about them, I'm you sure you would, Yeah,
and it was interesting to see because that really seemed
to appeal. It had this old age the symbolism of
horse riding with this new contemporary war. Yeah, and it
was fascinating to watch it.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Their their social media marketing, matt advertising execs before those
things existed, you know. But they're doing it under the
guise of you know, religious extremism. That a lot of
it's as you know, it's just essentially based on religious differences.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
It was a distortive, distortive form of Islam.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, exactly. And then tie that in with entertainment and
you know, I'm blanking on the word not syops, but though. Yeah,
so you milk that all in there and make it
the Smorgasborg and and yeah, you're right, it's truly it's
recruiting videos on steroids. Like I said, that helmet cam
footage I saw from the Wone Survivor stuff. The way

(42:46):
they chopped it up, you could almost go, yeah, America
is bad, the way they chop it up, because it's
all editing, you know, and it's it's it's like you said,
it's not it's not idiots, you know. Now, it's this
is a horrible way to and for the first segment.
But I always reference IEDs forget my language, but they're
chicken shit warfare. But if you think about it, it's

(43:08):
also genius, low cost, low risk massive destruction of like
route supply routes, morale killer equipment destruction for like you know,
a ten dollars garage opener. You know. So it's just
that's not exactly an idiot that came up with that idea.
I don't. It's obviously, like I said, it's I don't

(43:29):
use the word phrase on toss around chicken shit often,
but it truly is just chicken shit warfare. It's coward's warfare.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But I remember talking to guys that were in the
wild West in Iraq, and.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
That's the thing, yeah, back in the day. I mean,
it's just it's just fascinating the level of like the
four horses and the like you said, the prophecy aspect
of it. You get the right amount of passion and
dare I say brainwashing. That's a dangerous combo. You know.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
We can talk about that too, see you, because you
guys deal a lot with recon stuff that people don't
always realize unless you're obviously tuning into the podcast or
familiar with the Special Forces, but they always think Green
Rays are always kind of fighting all the time. In reality,
you're training a lot military and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, we are diverted. We are. That's what I always say.
We're a Swiss Army knife full of a bunch of knives,
whereas like Delta CEO Team six, they're they're a scalpel
in their one thing, you know. So we could do that,
you know, but we have a lot of the you know,
like you said, like a lot of the foreign internal
defense where we're training allies. We do a lot of
asset and intelligence collection, you know, and it's it's not

(44:33):
as yeah, we kick indoors and shoot bullets, don't get
me wrong, but it's not as assumed. It's not as
what most would assume. You know, even Betty to this day,
she's like, Oh, I didn't realize you did that, you know, Like, yeah,
you know there's a lot of report writing.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, you take names and shoot all at the same time. Yeah,
well they would have to end up there. They did
acknowledge us. Over at the collective. They give us a
little high back, a little cross pollination here or the podcast.
I like a so once again, folks, this is part
one of the two part series with Jeff Bozzi will
come back next week and continue on this journey and

(45:09):
talk about more about his experiences. We'll talk about the
realism of Hollywood. We'll talk about Special Forces, his deployments,
what he experienced there, and also I like this also
the angle, hopefully I remember next week. The angle of
these kind of homemade attacks. I've heard a lot about
this from other stories in the Wild West in Iraq
about some of the stuff that they were doing, and
they were kind of like, what the heck was that?

(45:30):
And it might have been actually Allen you mentioned one
of them. Either way, folks, you know what to do.
Thank you so much, Jeff for being here. We truly
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