A Ripple in Time | Interview with Michelle Freed | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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all wonderful. Hi. How's everybody doing good? Everything is good
over here, you know, as normal. I've got to leave
the league of extraordinarily noisy birds still out there. I

(01:25):
haven't put them out on the porch shed. So if
you guys again, if you do hear some weird noise,
that's where it's still coming from. And the reason why
I say this is right now, and you don't hear anything,
but for some reason, when they hear me talk like
a little bit, all of a sudden, they decide, oh
it's time to talk and chatter. And it's like I've
turned off all the lights out there where they're at

(01:46):
all right, but still again, if you hear any weird noise,
that's where it's coming from. Now, I'm telling you it's incredible.
So yeah, everything is. I said it before, you know,
sometimes dull it's great though, sometimes it's wonderful. It's it
gives you enough time sometimes because just to like, hey,

(02:08):
I'm gonna just veg out. As a matter of fact,
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say right, Now, this week
so far about my biggest challenge has been, by the way,
that was trying to get tickets to go see ac DC. Yeah,
they're gonna be here one place in May, in Florida,
and it speaks. And that's another thing there you could tell.

(02:31):
And I'm thinking to myself, you know what, you must
be getting older. It's gonna be an open air stadium.
Once upon a time, I wouldn't have cared if it
wasn't a mountaintop. If I want to go to a concert,
I'd be like, I'm out here, you know, rainshine whatever,
like the mailman's sleeps no see, but then you have
a dog that makes noise. But I'm like, man, this
is gonna be May, and of course I'm gonna be

(02:52):
toasting my brains out, as you could tell. But yeah,
that's that's I'm trying to get tickets, believe it or not.
That thing talk about competitive and I don't got a
nine hundred bucks to spare for the seats that are available.
So I'm in the middle of that. But getting back
to my original point, that's right now. This week, my
biggest challenge, I don't want to jinx it, but sometimes
dull is a good, good thing. Nothing wrong with doll. Okay,

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what was it that Lewis Lamore said, which, by the way,
he is right. Adventure is the romantic name for trouble.
So I'm glad I'm not having any adventures. There you go. So,
and notice I didn't mention anything. I didn't do the
progressive insurance thing about the weather so or the dew
point or anything. So let's get on to the good part.

(03:38):
The good part is who is the guest today. Her
name is Michelle Freed. She's a certified hypnotherapist and remote
viewer and instructor specializing in controlled Remote viewing or the
Butterfly Fact Center Remote Viewing Group known as vc RVG.
She is also co produced to the documentary Flash of Beauty,
Paranormal Bigfoot has appeared in Ancient Aliens in the documentary

(04:01):
Humans with Superpowers. She also served as a producer for
Faith to Black with Jimmy Church. She's the founder of
L t M Media, Inc. And she supports authors and
podcast hosts with marketing and publicity. Help me welcome her.
How are you doing today, Michelle?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
I am great. Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
I'm the contrary it's my pleasure, you know what. And
and you know the reason why I said that thing
is that in prior sometimes you know, when you live
out on the acreach, weather is important when you have animals,
a great is important. I mean weather is important. And
it's like I promised myself I'm not going to talk

(04:39):
about the weather. And you know the Progressive Insurance commercial,
you know when you start turning into your parents and
you start talking about the due point and it's like,
wait a minute, am I doing that? Yeah? I'm doing that.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
So in Chicago everything is about the weather. So like
even in the summer, we have to we want to
plan a party over the weekend, like looking at the weather,
you know, is it going to rain? Yeah, indoor plans,
outdoor plans. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Well around here where I live, you know a little
bit of First of all, you know, I have acreage,
I have animals, plants, and a little bit of rain
is great because it's like it saves me watering. But
out here not all you know, but there's some parts
that if it starts raining too hard, it's like becomes
like a little mud pie. I get out there, like
especially where my animals are, and it's like like in
other words, I have to put like different footwear on there.

(05:33):
But yeah, I understand what you're saying. But it's really
funny because once upon a time, I think this holds
true for most people. When you're younger, you don't care rain, shine, lightning,
you know, typhoon. You didn't you didn't look up. You
didn't look it up. You know, you only thought it's raining.
Oh my god, it's getting cloudy. That was That was
all the the planning you did was like, oh okay, yeah,

(05:55):
And all of a sudden, those things that before we're
in significant. Now you're like, man, you know, I look
at the weather and you know it's like, okay, Well,
I want to say, especially now when we've had a
little bit of weird weather's like what am I gonna wear?
Am I gonna be?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Like?

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Or worse? Like, well, you know what. My son he
trained for the Navy out north of Chicago, So I
was up there a couple of times in the area.
The one that's north a little bit north Lake Shore
or Glake. I want to say, it's like forty miles
north on the lake, forty miles north of Chicago. It's

(06:33):
a big Oh my god, I can't believe that. I
can't remember. That's where he did his basic training from
and went and I was up there like that was
in two thousand and five. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm twenty
years ago. I was out there, you know when I
when you know, I went to see him when he
did his graduation and all that stuff. And I had

(06:55):
a chance to go through the downtown and take a like,
you know, walk around and it's nice. It was nice.
See what I mean about weird? Shut up gingin? I'm
telling you who needs who needs? Kids? I get rid
of my kids and then I get talks and it's like,
but anyway, let me ask you what were you? What
were your interests originally? Was it hypnotherapy? Was it the

(07:18):
remote viewing? How did you get into that field?

Speaker 3 (07:21):
So for me, I had a very good friend who.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I'm getting a little wait, wait just a minute, I'm
getting a little bit of feedback from you, Michelle, like
like you know when you're echoing.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Oh hmm, let's see here, are you still nope?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Okay? Is that better?

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah? That's perfect?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Okay. So back in two thousand wait.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Stop, I'm sorry. You know what I realized when you
say one word you don't hear it, but when you
start talking, you can hear a little bit of the
of the echo, like the feedback.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
Oh hmm, let's see here. Let me see.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Don't worry about this because I can edit this out
since its pre recorded, this part.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
See if I can put this. I don't know if
you could do this in mid stream?

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Does this? Is this better?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
No? I hear like a distant echo after you finished talking.
You sure you don't have more than one microphone picking
up your.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Okay, what about now? Is that better?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Say say that again?

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Is that better? Is this better?

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Okay? Okay, that should be good. And is a volume good?

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Okay? Now you start coming in again with uh the
volume went up, but I'm hearing you like when you finish,
just like an echo, you know, when you finish that
the words, then I'll pick up the last few words again,
like a slow echo behind you.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Okay, even now, test test test? Is that better?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
Okay? All right, So I just plugged in my microphone
and then it's under echo cancelation.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
No, it is doing now it's doing it again. It's
like when you said this is really weird. Let me
see what were you doing with your microphone.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I just plugged in an external microphone, so I'm not
using the webcam one. So let's see here. Yeah, that
should be working. Is that any better?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Nope, it's still coming in the background a little bit like.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
A Okay, let me is it okay?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
If I leave and comac, yeah, and I'll bring you
back on.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Sure, okay, let's see what happen fends okay, okay, what

(10:51):
about now? Is that better?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Nope, I'm still getting an echo. Let me ask them.
You know what you sure that you don't have like
the care microphone picking you up?

Speaker 3 (11:02):
According to this, the I have a yetni mic and
that should be over riding the camera because the camera.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, okay, should be. You're coming in really clear, and
then you hear that little whisper of an echo like
right behind you.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
Huh. I'm not sure what that could be.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I don't worry about you know what you're You're you're understandable.
It's not like you can't be understood.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
Oh okay, let's see. I'm trying to think what other
options it's really bad or.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, no, it's not like you're coming in really clear
and then for some reason, all of a sudden you'll
hear sometimes I get the tail end, like a slight
echo but really low. No, no, it's not like you're
like unintelligible. So let's go. Don't worry.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Okay, it could be the internet. You know, every day
like it. You know, issue we talked about weather, so yes, I.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
Know, I know you're at the mercy of the of
the weather, but you were because this is what you know.
People don't realize that Chicago sits on the lake so
out there you're like, yeah, and I was out there
in November it was really nice weather.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Oh November. Yeah, every year is kind of different, so
you never know. You never know what it's going to
be like. But it's yeah, I'm not a huge fan
of living here. I would rather be where I could
be in summer, spring or summer all year round. Would
make me happy.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Me let me tell you something that's me. That's me.
I tell everybody. I'm like, you know, you see all
these people I look at you know, these things of
people living in the Laska and stuff like that. It's
like nope, no, I mean I can go visit and
it's beautiful, but I look at that it's like man, no, no, no,
shoveling snow and no, and it's not even the physical

(13:04):
work really besides that, it's just that, you know, like
you were just saying, I'm built for I'm not built
for snowy weather or cold weather.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah that's true. But yeah, I
think Well, I think you asked me how I got
into all this? Yes, so I had again, I believe
it was twenty eleven. I took my three kids and
a mini van and did a road trip to the West,

(13:34):
well actually all around United States, and I re connected
with a friend of mine from high school who her
name is Dublin Cats and she has written about three
books on psychic development, and so we grew up together.
And she said, you know, Michelle, you should take my class.
And I was like, oh, that's for people that are special.

(13:57):
I don't have that, you know, I was, and she's like, no,
everybody has like abilities and stuff like that, and like
we do. Okay, So I'm very I call myself a
skeptical believer. And so I took the class and what
ended up happening is time and time again, I just
got I couldn't explain things away that were happening, Like

(14:21):
how did I know this? How did I know that?
And so in one class she introduced us to something
new that she was learning called remote viewing, and so
she's like, hey, let's just play like she's very spontaneous,
so let's just play with this something new. And I'm
like okay, And so we all did it, and uh,

(14:44):
you know, it's a process. She gave us a quick
and dirty explanation of how to do it, and I
just it resonated with me. I felt so good doing it.
It felt right in my wheelhouse because there's an element
of a kind of scientific or something with evidential information,

(15:06):
and so that appealed to me a lot. And so
I yeah, after that, I was sold. And then I
went through every training I could I got. I was
asked to be on many, many different kinds of projects
and and to this now, I've worked my way up
where I teach.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I was gonna say that must mean your your remote
viewing is accurate.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Then well no, I can say, you know, we can
go more in depth and and and that when we
talk about accurate, but uh, it's it's I don't think
that we are at a point. And when I say we,
I mean humans at large are at the point yet
where we can be one hundred percent accurate. And the

(15:52):
reason is so when I started developing my class, I
used my skills from himnosis, which you will hopefully understand,
and I applied them to remote viewing because I really
wanted to know what is going on, what's happening, because
we as people that study remote viewing, we want to know.

(16:15):
We know it works. Okay, hands down, we know it works,
but now my you know, I'm very curious, and I
want to know how is how does it work, what's
going on, what's behind the scenes, and so I kind
of that's how I look. I think, I think, and
I experiment and all those fun things. So I yeah,

(16:39):
so we can you know, get let me.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Ask you and did they ever I'm just curious, did
they ever come back to you, Let's say, if they
if you did some type of remote viewing, did they
ever come back and tell you you were right? Or
do they just leave you blank? Like hey, you'll never know,
I guess, depending on what they were asking you to
look for or see.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Right, So so let me just I'll like tap into
kind of the process of it. So remote viewing, which
is different than intuitive remote viewing. So intuitive remote viewing
is something that people that are psychic or readers or
anything like that they can tune into something like for example,
they'll be like, oh, I wonder what my sister's doing

(17:19):
right now, and then they just put their attention and
then they gather intel or information what is she doing?
Where is she? They describe the place. So that is
what I personally call intuitive remote viewing. The kind of
remote viewing that I do actually comes directly from the

(17:40):
military that was created in the seventies. So people can
look that up and they can look up Project Stargate
and it's called controlled remote viewing. And in that we
actually have a process to follow, so we how it
looks if somebody saw us remote viewing. We'd be sitting

(18:02):
at a desk or somewhere and writing, you know, like
a pen and paper, and we follow a process that
goes into like four or five phases. And so that's
what the training is. The training is teaching you how
to navigate through this training and tap into engaging your

(18:27):
all your senses, engaging it to a particular target. And
when we remote view, nobody knows what the target is,
so it eliminates all the biases, so you know, so
if we're doing the Eiffel Tower, nobody knows it's the

(18:47):
Eiffel Tower. And the other thing that's important is, you
know and how I apply the hypnosis and how our
mind works. In hypnosis, we talk a lot about conscious consciousness,
and we talk about subconscious and then the third one,
which is unconscious. And so when we're talking about the subconscious,

(19:12):
which is what we're we want to be using in
remote viewing or any kind of psychic abilities. We want
to be tapping into the subconscious part of our mind.
And the problem is, and this is when people say
to me all the time, well, if you're so psychic,
why don't you have a million dollars below the lot?

(19:34):
And the truth is, I have an answer for that,
and it's because we're human. It's because our left brain,
which is what we're engaged in most of the time.
The left brain is searching like a computer, searching for
all the patterns and then makes a determination of what
it should perceive. So it's based on subjective information.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Right, So let me ask you, when you're going to
do a remote like you're telling me, do they give
you any pointers or do they just let you just they.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Just so you have this process that you follow, and
so it's kind of like set up in a way
where you make a very strong foundation and then each
phase of the process get both on top and then
what you're doing is taking a deep dive and gathering
information and details. Okay. Very important part of all this

(20:34):
is that we to prevent us from the left brain
and keep us in our subconscious because, as we know,
the subconscious does not understand words, images, images, symbols, emotions.
So what we're trying to do is balance, or not

(20:56):
even balance. We're trying to get out of the left
brain and into the right and one of the ways
to do that is by describing things and not naming them.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
I understand, I see, I see what you mean now, right,
and so let me ask then that's I guess that's
why I I guess that's why I didn't. I was wondering.
Do they ever let you know? Were you hot? Cold? Good?

Speaker 3 (21:20):
No?

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Maybe? Like you know?

Speaker 3 (21:22):
Right, So what happens is they'll call us up and
they'll say, okay, Michelle, I have a project. Here's the
target number. They give us a random number, an arbitrary number, right,
and so we use that and then we follow this process.
It's all on paper. We'd make sketches, we follow what

(21:45):
we were trained to do. We take pictures of it,
and we send it back to them okay, and they
analyze it okay, and they get the answers that they're
searching for. So, for example, say we're looking for a
missing person, right, and the secret question that we don't
know is describe the current location of so and so

(22:10):
or describe the current condition of so and so. So
we don't know that part. We follow, We do our thing,
we send it in and then what they do once
they get that, they send an email back, or they
talk to us or however they're communicating, and they say, okay,
your target was you know, and they'll tell us so.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Sick, Okay, that's what I'm thinking. You know, you get
some type of feedback so that you say, okay, I was,
that's not bad, Like now I understand why I saw
what I saw.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
And then what you do is you take your session
and you go back through it and you line it
up with the evidence or the information that they do have.
And so the detectives are looking at things that they're
looking for. You're looking for things that you're looking for,
and it kind of works like that. And there are
like six or seven or even eight of these kind

(23:06):
of formalized types of remote viewing, and one of them
which a lot of people love, is called AARV, which
is associative remote viewing, and they use that for a
binary target. So that's a little different than like a
true crime or missing person's. A binary target would be

(23:27):
something like if you want to look at the stock
market or betting on sporting events, or I got a
job offer in another state, should I take it or
should I stay here?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Really?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Okay, So we have a whole bunch of different ways
to answer questions.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Right, And that was going to be my question. When
you do the remote viewing, is what you're seeing real
time or futuristic a little bit? Or does it pick
up any past? You know, how do you figure out
sometimes of what you're seeing is this is happening right now?
Or if I'm seeing this person is where they right now?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Marlene were time travelers, So depending on the question, as
you noticed, right, you said, describe the current local. Okay,
that would mean my directive is my session is going
to line up with the current location. But if the
secret question was just what is the location of some

(24:25):
So I could be traveling in the in the future,
in the past and seek And that's what's so cool
is we just fly through.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Time interesting interesting, which is it almost gives you makes
you think that it's like I don't want to say predestination,
but you that what's going to happen is going to
happen no matter what kind of deal.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, there's a lot like when you're doing the ARV
that is particularly future based because what you're doing is precognition.
In that method, you're peeking into the future after a game,
for example, a game or as stock, you're looking at
the future to see is that stock going to go

(25:11):
up or is it going to go down? Or is
the game? Is it going to go over or under? Okay,
and that and and what we do to set up
a project like that is we don't directly look at
the stock, and we don't directly look at the game.
We put a kind of like a filter in front

(25:32):
of it. So what we do is line it up
with photos, so what you're actually looking at is assigned
photos that line up with the A side or the
B side. That way, we also eliminate any biases. So
like if you want a stock to go up or down,

(25:53):
you won't be doing that. Or if you want a
particular team, you know, the Miami Dolphins to.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Win, man, you're like, yeah, I want them to be
the winners.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, so we do that, and then what we'll have
is a picture. Like the pictures, the photo set has
to be completely different. So like for a quick you know,
you have the ocean that's water. You have the desert
it's dry, so are they is there session leading to
the dry or the water? And then and then you

(26:22):
can make a prediction. If everybody is like looking at water,
then you know whoever was assigned to the water photo,
that team's gonna win.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
And they ask you, do the people that read this
do they ever compare with different viewers? Give them back
as far as.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, I particularly like I love to work on teams
because you're viewing is an extension of your personality. So
for example, if you're a person that is an introverted
person and you don't really like people, you're not going
to be focusing on people. You know, you're gonna like
see everything but the people. Right, you have like a

(26:59):
very technical mind you're going to be looking at the
technical aspects of a target. And so when you have
three or four or many people. I'm working on a
project right now. It's a cold case from way back when,
and we have eight viewers, and I love that because
each one comes to the table, they have corroborating information

(27:24):
and they also be in new stuff and so it
is it's just it is a nail bier. I'm not kidding.
They're going, what, Oh my gosh, you know, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
I'm luckily now with DNA they're able sometimes to give
you know, a lot of these Jane or John Doe's
because I mean, I work with a search and rescue
group where I'm at, and you know, sometimes they have
these people that go missing and sometimes they're never found.
You know, they're like and sometimes you know, especially when
they become skeletal remains, you know, especially he's been out

(27:59):
there and you know the or sometimes they're unidentified just
because they might not be local. And you know, sometimes
they look for missing people reports like the like the area,
but sometimes they're from some place else and and in
some cases, I believe or not, some of these people
are never reported missing by anybody. Yeah, you know, they're

(28:21):
nobody's ever said, hey, I haven't seen so and so
for like a good long time. And and of course
you know the I know that DNA. It's it's everybody
thinks like the CSI effect. But that takes a while
to get that done. So that's very interesting. Let me
ask you, So when you when you guys are working
on that, are you do you ever have unidentified remains?

(28:44):
Or is it a question of finding out what exactly
happened to them?

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Right? So it depends. The whole project is set up
by the question of what you want to know? Okay,
So and we do so many things, not just true crime.
We could do or targets like is there an alien
based on the moon? You know?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh not?

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Or is you know haunted places? So like, uh, there's
always a big history with certain places that are haunted.
So if you're planning to go do an investigation, you
can remote view before you go and see if you
can get some information before you go, or you could

(29:26):
do it after you go. So there's like a lot
so it's all kind of based around that.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Right right In other words, or or no pun intended
on that place? Is that as a tour naill or
something you know, and tell everybody you know, especially some
of these historical places. They developed this reputation. After a while,
all it is is just reputation.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, yeah, I know. I remember somebody telling me a
story about a murder that happened at a hotel in
a room.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I think it was Rebecca pit Man. I don't know
if you've.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Yes, yes, yes, I just spoke to Rero Reacca, not
to long ago.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, So she was telling me about and then it
ended up a whole history kind of unfolded behind that.
In fact, we actually had a team because she not
only writes the books on you know, the history of
different hauntings, she also does true crime. And we have
a whole chapter in her book on the murderall case

(30:27):
where she took a compilations of our sessions and put
them in her book. So we we had a bunch
of hits.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
We spoke briefly when I last spoke to her. We
did speak about the murder case, because you know, that
keep that's the gift that keeps on giving.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh I'm telling you, Oh my god, you know.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
That even now after they convicted him, now it's going
back and you know, the charges and it's like when
I read, I was like, you got to be kidding me.
It's like, wow, yeah, exactly. That is far from over. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah, So I think, you know, I'm on this mission
that I really want remote viewing to be part of
everybody's life. I want, I wanted to you know, bleed
through into the mainstream world. And it's just going to
take a lot of time because and the more that

(31:16):
we have hits, we need to publicize those hits. We
need to tell people how we have been successful. And
the reason that I want this to go mainstream is
because you know, we you know this we are We're
scratching the surface of our potential as humans. There is

(31:36):
so much more that we can do, and you know,
and to me, I don't want to get political or anything,
but if we're messing around with all this politics and
all that stuff, it's distracting us from our potential. So
I think that all of us in this world, in
this light that we are, we serve as a I

(31:59):
feel like a holy world right.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Now, but ID roll along.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
We we serve as people that set examples for people
where you know, and we really need to work hard
to get along with each other even so that we
set an example to other people on how we deal
in business, how we deal with each other as people,
how we accept weird things and and things like that.
And most important is laughing and humor.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Of course. And I tell everybody because when you've been
alive an x amount of years, you remember when life
existed without this, right, and even though with even an
answering machine, you know, the once upon a time, there
wasn't even such a thing as an answering machine. Yeah,
we usually had maybe one or two phones in your
house and that was it. And if people call them,

(32:45):
nobody had to. They just called back later the next
day or send you something in the mail, you know.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
So, Yes, and I actually have a funny story I had.
I had an epiphany. Ones, this is the craziest thing.
I was in the car drive and I had three
I had three kids under the age at five.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I understand that been there, done that, okay.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
And I was so grateful that somebody invented that little
mirror that do you know what I'm talking about. Isn't
that hilarious little mirror that you put where you could
see the kids in the bad back?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I remember it was like such a memory for me,
like whoever invented this mirror? I don't know how my
mom did well.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
My boys, especially with they would accuse me of having
a super elastic arm that could reach beyond, like even
if I wasn't looking, I'd be like, but it's like,
oh god, you know, you know they always talk about
them sound like she's gonna get you, even if you
think she's not gonna reach, She's gonna reach you. Yeah, yeah,
because everything Butody thinks that, you know, they're gonna be

(33:53):
the ones to like, you know, you know, like when
you're like stop.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
It, yeah, yeah, everything, oh.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, we say everything. Yeah, you have eyes in the
back of your head, like for.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Sure, and now I have a mirror.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well. No, It's really funny because I remember whenever I
actually would be someplace with no kids, I found myself
still like my head was on a swivel, and I'd
have to remind myself you don't have to look out
for them, you know, the kids, because normally I'd be
like you know, yea, and I could hear things. They'd
be like, how did you hear that? Like just I

(34:27):
heard whatever it was? I know, I heard what was it?
Did I hear something. No, no, you know, everybody's like no,
but but yeah, no, that's why I said, been there,
done that. But anyway, getting back to what you were
saying that, I'd tell everybody I think us, as human beings,

(34:48):
we have like a direct how's this reaction to all
this technology that we're going through? And I say, I'm
not anti technology. I think this was wonderful. If you
get a flat tire or you don't know where you are, okay,
But that being said, I think part of us yearns
for mystery, and we have like a reaction against like

(35:11):
you know that you can find you that everywhere is
like you know, they can ping you, the GP has
what where we want to. I think the complete person
has a part of their life which, like you said,
is not everything technology based that there's a little bit
of mystery, of romanticism, of mystical stuff. It's a well
rounded thing. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, because if

(35:32):
you get one or the other, that's just totally it.
It's like, eh, you're lopsided. And again I tell everybody whatever,
the flip side is that this makes you instantly available
right right, whereas once upon a time, you know, even
now somebody will come and go. What did you answer
was like, because sometimes I don't have a pocket, I
leave it on my desk because I'm going out. But

(35:53):
you know, people get upset like why aren't you instantly
available for me to call you? And I'm talking here
about family members by the way, Yeah, and I say,
you know, once upon a time that didn't that didn't happen.
You know, you didn't have to worry about that.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Patience is underrated. Oh you know, it's just you know,
I think we need to get back to that is
and I think that is some of the you know,
with anxiety. You know, the kids right now and like
even all my kids friends and they're all struggling with anxiety.
And I think, really it feels like the fast pace

(36:28):
of the world is not it's not kind of aligned
with our human nature, you know. It's like we are
you know, slow and easy people.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
You know. Well, I think that also with felt with kids. Unfortunately,
with a social I'm gonna go with social media and
of course everything being like I said, you know, and
this happens to everybody when you're that age. If something
embarrassing happens to you or something, especially now, that can
be recorded. How's this You think it will be there

(36:59):
for ever and ever and that the spotlights are shining
down on you. Yeah, and that they're blasting the film
or whatever that incident was on the side of a
New York building forever and ever, and it's like, guess
what which you know. Unfortunately, some teenagers do stupid, really
stupid stuff, you know, as far as self harmon it.
It's like, I guarantee you in twenty four hours the

(37:20):
forty eight nobody will remember because everybody's so caught up
and going, oh, yes, you know, you know, nobody cares
what happened to you or what it was. By the way,
at the same time, I do discourage please don't record
something embarrassing and send it twenty body. That's stupid, boy
or girl, don't do that. Yeah, but still nobody remembers.

(37:42):
Nobody cares because you know, the kind of telescope on
that event, forever and ever, for the next three hundred years,
everybody will know that whatever. Yeah, and I think that
that's contributed that instant access or whatever you want to
call it, has a lot to do with right now
with teenagers with theirings eye levels. Unfortunately, the use of

(38:04):
ssries of and all the other things that go with it.
It's like, man, you know, it used to be that
the teenage years were the best years of your life.
You know, you were like growing up and you know
and going to parties and you know, crushes and romance
and if you were on a team or something. And
it's become very very complicated, really complicated.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Very complicated. And but I do, you know, I have
I'm very positive about. I feel like we're on a
paradigm shift, you know, I do. I look in the
TikTok uh and I see that there are yet a
lot of young people that are open to some of
these ideas, and I'm helping around them to lean into

(38:48):
it and explore our potential, you know, and I think that,
you know, yeah, I'm positive about. I think that's what's
going to happen.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think, well, this is and this is what you
were talking about originally. Where your life or your lifestyle
or whatever, like you said, depending on your personality, whether
you're an introvert or an extrovert or whatever. You know,
everybody's different. That you have your life is well grounded,
that it's not all science science, that there's space in there,
for I know, this is like go out and you know,

(39:20):
go out in nature or walk around, or go to
the park, or go to the beach. Yeah, or just
hang out with people. Which, by the way, that's one
of my big things is that this creates too much
isolation as far as when in computers and stuff where
and I remember even as a teenager, you wanted to
be at the beach, you know, or had plans to

(39:40):
be outside or go here, go there or you know.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
You know. I'm glad you're bringing that up because along
those same lines, and I've been thinking the same thing
myself and a co teacher that I work with from
England is flying in April and we are taking a
road trip and teaching.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Remote on the road.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
That's great, So as a publicist, I'm working on that
side of things too. I'm bounding up a whole bunch
of locations where we venues where we can have students
come and in person, because I mean, I am grateful
that we can do things like this online and zooms,
but it doesn't under replace being in person. And I

(40:29):
think a lot of people are craving that person to
person's contact. So we're going to the West coast starting
in April, and then in August we're going to the
East coast, so maybe we'll hit Miami.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yes, let me know. Get me low. Well, I left
Miami a few I'm in North Florida. I still have
a lot of family in Miami. Miami's gotten crowded, and
I mean I was born in recent Miami, so I've
seen everything that goes on there. Every once in a while,
I travel back there and I'm like looking at the
traffic and I'm like, I need to go home. You know,
it's like too much, too much, you know, especially everybody

(41:08):
knows Florida, but especially South Florida's got so much. The
infrastructure is way behind the population. Oh wow, you know
as far as like the traffic, well, you're if you
live in an urban area, you know what I mean.
But still it's like, oh, I forget this. You know,
I'm close enough to travel a couple of hours away,
but still it was like, man, and then you know,

(41:28):
I don't feel like I want to be a rush
our traffic twenty four to seven.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Right, right, Yeah, that's you have more important things.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Yeah, but but yes, absolutely, please let me know. I
would really like that.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
I would really like get a group of people together,
and I think getting back to the basics again and
people meeting people. And I have a whole bunch of
plans to act, you know, reignite that personal contact.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I'm working and I know that a lot of people
it's like, come on, we're social animals.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
We are, we are we are.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, a lot of people don't. And like I said,
I know there's introverts, Like you said that, it's like,
if you want to give me people, you got to
give it to me, you know, low doses like no,
don't put me in that crowd. Like it's like no, no, no.
But at the end of the day, it's still good.
I think it's still good.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Yeah, it's I think an introverted person, I don't think
it necessarily means that they you know, want to be like,
you know, sheltered completely. They just know smaller groups, more
intimate groups, right, And so I think, you know, there's
room for everyone, and there's opportunities for everyone, and and

(42:39):
I think we just need to open that door again.
I think, you know, the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
I think a lot of people like, especially as you
grow a little bit older, you kind of realize, I mean,
I know that, especially with the teenagers, they kind of
hide behind the this, you know, the camera, like all
you see is my face, you know. Yeah, because you
get older you realize that. Man, I gotta like, I
gotta get out there and deal with rejection, because I

(43:05):
think that's what they're all afraid of, boys and girls,
of dealing with rejection. And by when I say rejection,
I don't mean like somebody spits in your face. I'm
talking about like you know, you say something to somebody
and they look at you and they walk away.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
It's like like disapproval.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Yeah you'll live, Yeah, you'll live, You'll live.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Ye it is. It's yeah, No, I think you're you're
spot on to all that.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
So, yeah, that the the thing is. But that thing
with the lost connection, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here.

(44:18):
It did this lost connection to your camera? Okay, why
have you lost connection to the camera? Everything should be connected.
I'm telling you. It's if you know, if you were
talking about ghosts or exorcisms, I would say, this is
paranormal sabotage. Hold on. And that's, by the way, which

(44:38):
is I kid, but around, but sometimes that's happened that
I say. This is why everything is going goofy yeah,
a stark cam. There we go yay, thank god for
I will do be the editing genie afterwards. I don't know,
I must I don't know if I hit something here.
But anyway, one of the things I wanted to ask
you about done remote viewing. I've heard it in some

(45:01):
cases we're remote viewers when they and by this I'm
making I'm not sure. The process, like you said, is
a process that when you hit like I guess, I
don't know what to call it, a certain plane, that
there's other things, other beings or other entities that are there.
Have you ever encountered anything like that?

Speaker 3 (45:19):
Well, so, so when we do remote viewing, we're kind
of surrounded by intention. So pretty much we set up
the target with a specific question, like I gave the
example earlier. But there are times where maybe we make
a mistake with the question, or maybe it's a very

(45:41):
open ended question and that will allow anything to happen.
You know, you get a big spectrum of an experience.
And so a long time we did an experiment where
we thought, hey, let's do a remote viewing stuff, but
don't pick a target until after the session's done, because

(46:06):
the idea is is that we should know what the
target's going to be, right, okay, if that makes sense yea.
So we had like a little pot or a kitty
or a hat whatever with a whole bunch of ideas
of what we want to remote you, which we keep
for you know, practice, so all different kinds of questions,

(46:28):
and so we thought, hey, this will be fun. We'll
pick the target after we do the session. So I'm
doing the session and all of a sudden I get
to a certain part of the session and you know
that voice in your head that talks to you, that whisper, Well,
I noticed, like it kind of happened slowly, but I

(46:50):
noticed this. It was like a baritone voice. It wasn't
mine anymore. And it was like this voice that was
doing what my voice like, Okay, put that here, put
that there? And I kept going, what what's that? Like?
What It's like this deep voice and it's starting to
kind of hijack the session a little bit. I put

(47:15):
break to so I can, you know, step out of
the session. So I wrote break on the paper to
say that I'm going to break and I was like,
oh my gosh, like what was that?

Speaker 4 (47:26):
That?

Speaker 3 (47:26):
That never happened before, and so I called up a
friend of mine. I'm like, what the heck, you know, like, yeah,
I want his voice, and I don't know what's going on.
He's like, yeah, I don't know. Like he goes, well,
why don't you ask it? You know, like when you
have something, ask who are you? What you're doing? You
know if you don't like it? Like I wasn't scared.

(47:47):
It was just weird, you know, I did. I wasn't
freaked out or anything, but I was just kind of like,
what is this? So I'm like, okay, next time I
finished my session, I'll you know. So I went to
sleep that night and I as I was falling asleep,
I felt like I was falling backwards and into darkness.

(48:10):
And then when I woke up in the morning, it
felt like this energy that just went whoosh out of
my head. Okay, and then I kind of felt like
you know when you have surgery and you're coming out
of the anesthesia. I felt like that. That's I felt
like a little like out of it. And so I'm like,
oh my gosh, what's going on? So again I called

(48:31):
There were three of us that did the session, so
I said to my friend like this happened overnight, and
he's like, yeah, I had something weird happened in my
dreams too. Let's ask the other person. So we called
her up and she goes, She goes, I don't know,
I smoked some weed. I don't remember anything.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
I was gonna say, you got it. Looks sounds like
I got a spiritual roofy or something. You know, you're
coming on. I don't remember anything, but god, whatever it was.
So she was the only one that was okay.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
And she's just like yeah, you know, and we're like, oh, okay.
So then we decided, all right, we gotta know what
this target is. So we pulled out the target and
I don't remember it exactly, but it had something to
do with some kind of et that came from a
UFO oh somewhere. So uh so that was our target.

(49:22):
So it kind of like all made sense, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Okay, So in other words, you were you were caught
off left field.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Yeah. Yeah, So this thing may or may not have
tried to contact me because we were tuning in and
so maybe it was trying to talk to me or
get my attention or something. I know, it sounds wacky,
but oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
But I understand what you mean. Then that's why I
asked you, like, do you ever come up like in
other words, you go, you're you're maybe intent on doing
whatever it is you know, you're trying to get into
and then somebody comes and tries to to engage you
or something in the middle of a session.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
I have to also tell you that everything I do
in remote viewing as a teacher, any projects I work on,
is all surrounded by benevolence and that is my intention.
So nothing bad has ever happened to me. The only
time that it could be a little questionable, but we

(50:27):
prepare our viewers is when unfortunately you're doing a true crime.
You're going to see some nasty stuff, you know, but
people you know, there are people that can handle it
and people that can't. And the people that can't that
they don't do those targets, and people that can handle it,
we actually have a fail say for them. We teach

(50:48):
them how to disconnect from the target. Afterwards, we have
them kind of tune into their higher self and say
is this in my it's good to do this session.
But we do have this built into the process because
I feel like it's responsible. We also have a method

(51:09):
that we do medical applications or analysis. I've always asked
for permission before we do that. So I think it's
really important to note that everything that I do is
surrounded by benevolence and goodness, and so I do not
open up any doors to anything negative.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
That's that's really interesting because I can just see so
many people asking for things, like I mean, besides the
I was, I don't know if you a couple of well,
it's already been a couple of years. Remember there was
this guy fend that he was out of New Mexica.
He died by the way, and he had hidden some
treasure somewhere, and it's somebody somewhere in either in the

(51:56):
Grand Canyon, you know, the surrounding states.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yes, sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Bottom line, five people ended up killing themselves because one
they went where they really and a lot of people,
you know, because it's a treasure, would go out there
by themselves, the dumb asses. Yeah, and of course stuff
happened to them. They were by themselves. And yeah, and
I'm thinking I can imagine somebody contacting her trying to

(52:21):
find out where the treasure is, like, where's this treasure?

Speaker 3 (52:25):
And yeah, those are fun. Those are so fun.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yes, And he what he did was he wrote a
book and in the book he made like a like
a poem like he described but of course it was
supposed to be like a treasure map. And there was
that that was like a I think it was on Facebook,
I think where they had a bunch of people that
were trying to figure this out and were actually going
out there and everybody was comparing those saying I read it,

(52:51):
and what that means is this, Yeah, it really it was.
Some people were really heavy into this thing, into this
search for friends treasure.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
All right, there's it's called age. I think it's called
eight if I have the acronym R, like AGT or
something like that. It's this kind of trendy thing where
certain I think the what's the name of that channel
swim swimmer, swimming channel swimming, something like that they have.

(53:22):
So what they basically do is they put out a
whole bunch of clues to get everybody involved. And there
was another one that was had a lot of conspiracy
around it. It was called Cicada and then three numbers three, nine, four,
I don't know, and with a lot of people that

(53:43):
believe that this was set up by maybe the CIA
try to vet out really smart people to join, and
there was like a million dollar prize, but the puzzles
were very like you had to be really smart, and
so I think they did that for a few years.
I haven't heard about it lately, but I think all

(54:06):
those oh, what's it called reality, alternate reality, a RG games,
I figure.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
You know what it's. You know, you look at some
of the stuff. This guy he had said, I'm gonna
put I'm gonna put coins, I'm gonna put this, I'm
gonna put this. It was gonna be valued more or
less at about two million dollars when in other words,
again Setta was there, believe me, but he always said
because he did when he was like ninety and it
was out and basically he was out there for like

(54:36):
almost ten years. But he always said, I will never
put in a place that an eighty year old.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Man couldn't get to, couldn't get to.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Yeah, And for some reason people just blew by that
had that clue, and they kept going into these One
guy drowned in the Real Grande, another one fell off
a thing because they were trapesing in all these areas
and he kept I think at the end when you know,
but some of these things, you look at me, you go, oh,
it's crazy enough to do this, And it's surprisingly a

(55:07):
lot of people will go out there, especially we're talking
a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Yeah, it's definitely safer to remote view it because in
the country.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yes, until you get that what was it that that
that people? I'm telling you people, it's like, you know
how you hear about people getting that gold fever thing.
It's like people like really would spend all their spare time. Yeah,
like really they were like, for lack of a better word,
they were obsessed on this stuff. But yeah, that's what

(55:38):
I was thinking, is like, you know, hey, find that
find that. You know, there's a lot of the Oak
Island is like, okay, we'll send Michelle out to Oak
Island and see if they finally you know, they'd be like, no,
we still have three more seasons to go, you know. Yeah,
were before we almost find it.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
That's I think it's not like to the Wolk Island.
And I said, nope, that's it for me.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
You know, I did some work with some people with
Skinwalker Ranch. Oh really Okay, Yeah, so I did some
sessions on Skinwalker and and then I got the opportunity
to kind of go there and that and that was
one of the documentaries. Is one of my sessions.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Okay, so let me answer the thing. This is with
the current the current people that are there when you
were out there.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, fugal, Okay, but I'm not I'm doing a remote
viewing outside of that. Okay, yeah, you'll have to see it.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Okay, but let me ask you this what and that's
really good in a way, it's good generally. How do
you feel is there something out there or is it
just based on what they've described? This is even form
before when Bigelow owned it. The Shermans were on there. Yeah,

(56:58):
some of the stuff that they described that like what
my couns were leaving right now, you know. But they
stayed out there almost like two years. And what's really
funny is the people that were out there that were
named Earl, that were there like sixty years. Was a
couple by the way, just because something they claimed a courtiate,
they died and they had no kids and I think

(57:20):
a brother or a brother in law. You know, they
supposedly said we never saw anything out here, no lights,
no nothing. You know, that doesn't mean that they didn't
see anything. Maybe they just were you know, people back
then just didn't want to talk about, you know, weird.
In other words, when you hear about the thing, it's
not just the UFOs. They have cryptid sightings. They have

(57:42):
that hitchhiker effect for the people that have gone out there.
It's like you name it. It's like what else when
you were out there? What feeling did you get like
there's something on there as far as the land. Is
it an extraterrestrial effect? Is it a portal scenario? Did
you ever get any feeling?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I mean I got you know, I did get like
some of more of mine was more an energetic thing.
I was also perceiving some orbs, and it's orbs that
were I was kind of like reading into what the

(58:21):
orbs their purpose and what they were and more about them,
and it was like a protection So they're protecting something.
And then just taking a step back about orbs is
way back like two or three years ago, I was
targeted on orbs and so in that session, the information

(58:46):
I got from that session kind of set me up
for my belief system on what orbs are. So back then,
like three or four, whatever amount of years, I was
an e SETI ranch and somebody asked me. She didn't
tell me what I was viewing. She just said, I
have something I want you to remote view, just on

(59:06):
the spot. So I said, okay, So I went into privacy.
It took like an hour. I did a session. I
brought it back to her what came up in my
session because a lot of times in a session you'll
get metaphors and you know, all sorts. So I was
getting these What I perceived is like blood cells and

(59:27):
running through a kind of art artery system or a
river or some kind of channels, just moving around. And
then when I kind of took a deeper dive into
these cells, I got information like words like and like

(59:48):
a sentient being that had no ending and no beginning.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Holy crap. Yeah, And I.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Didn't know I was doing orgs, So I was like,
what the heck is this session?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Right? So then I bring it back to her and
she hands me a picture of herself dancing in a
field with a whole bunch of orbs around her, and
so I'm like, oh, ors, it wasn't blood, you know,
because that's metaphor. My left brain was trying to make
sense sure, and the right brain's like, no, I'm trying

(01:00:22):
to explain to the left brain it's not blood, it's orbs.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
But they don't kind of look alike.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
And so when then moving forward to when I was
asked to do Skinwalker Ranch, the orbs popped up and
and I was tuning in what are there? What is
the purpose? And it was some kind of protection and
and stuff like that. So it was an energetic I
didn't perceive anything like ET's or anything like that. If

(01:00:55):
I take myself out of the remote viewing world and
then use my left brain and analyze what I think,
my brain says that there could be some kind of
vortex or energy something that is underground there, maybe a
meteor or some I mean, after all, we're like four

(01:01:16):
billion years old. Sure well anything could be under that
ground exactly feeling like something underneath And.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
That's really why I like to show that they try
to do a scientific analysis. But you could tell all
these guys walking around there, you know, they're all trying
to remain very calm, and you know in stoic you
could tell sometimes they like kind of we got a
little bit like what yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's why
I especially like to show that because of the the

(01:01:44):
way they are trying to approach it. Yeah, but they
themselves you could tell they're they can't they they you
can tell they don't know what direction to go. Is this,
like you said, is this something in the land that's
like I mean, I'm talking not metaphysical. Is there something
buried here right right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Yeah? Or that the kind of combination or something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Yeah, so yeah, they're that that there and it's like, well,
and you can tell I laugh. Every time, you know,
they bring some some contractor out there to work out there,
somebody leaves, like their their equipment malfunctions breaks, or somebody
gets gets sick, you know, like you know, like the
one of the these people that they invite to do
whatever it is for them, and it'd be like, oh,

(01:02:31):
you know, do you really want to go out there?
I don't know. It's I think it's a weird piece
of land. But I've always been always curious eventually if
they ever do find out what is causing some of
these anomalies.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Yeah, you know, yeah, it's it's an interesting and I
know that there's a couple of areas other ranches in
that area, which have very similar they just don't have
the same.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Exposure the blind Frog brand.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Blind Frog branch exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
Actually I was at actually there, Okay, I saw the
water and it was you know, you could feel you know,
there was like you feel. It's hard to explain, but
you do feel something. So I don't know what it is,
but it feels different.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
So me ask you, does it make you feel okay,
indifferent or uneasy?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
I was feeling uneasy, but not scared.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Right right, No, But and that's why I'm saying sometimes scared.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
It's like, you know what, unfamiliar? Yes, yes, unfamiliar.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah, yes, Like this is not normally I don't walk
around places that feel like this. So your body is instantly.

Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
Like, yeah, like, what the heck is this?

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
What the heck is this exactly exactly. And it could
be you know, it could be a portal, it could
be a vortex, it could be something. You know, God,
I'll use the example of EMFs I sometimes i'll affect
a person's brain. Maybe there is something out there that
who knows, Yeah that I'm gonna I wanted to ask

(01:04:04):
you also, And since we're already on the we're going
out there in the have you ever worked with anything
having to do with cryptis is the Big Food or
anything like that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Here? Yeah, So I had a session that somebody assigned me. Again,
I had no clue. And what was really significant is
in this particular session, he was my monitor. So we
were doing it not I wasn't doing it by myself
with pen and paper. I was doing it with somebody

(01:04:36):
monitoring me. And what's really important to know about a
monitor is that they absolutely can't lead you on anything,
so everything has to come from me. All they do
is kind of direct you to look at more details, right,
And so I had a very good monitor that didn't
leave me. But anyway, so I was getting a subject

(01:05:01):
and the first thing right out of the bat is
I felt like the subject was a female. And so
he told me to stand up and to blend with
the subject, that it was safe, blend with the subject
and touch your body and describe. So I'm like, okay,
you know, and then I'm told So I started like

(01:05:24):
putting my hand on my arm, and the first thing
I noticed was that my hand felt like it wanted
to go longer. Like I'm like, wait, I'm a very
big woman, and my last brain said, Michelle, this is
not a woman. It's a man. If it's big, it's

(01:05:46):
a man. But my white brain said, uh uh, it's
a woman. It's female. And my left's like oh, and
I'm going back right, and I'm like all right. I
hung on to the female. Then I was like, oh,
I have a lot of hairy arms. And then as
I was I started getting a clue like this has
to be a bigfoot or something. But I was very

(01:06:08):
confused about why I was stuck on this woman thing.
And then after that, I started kind of going into
the details like it was you know, tribal and the
culture and things like that, like I was getting into.

(01:06:30):
So there's something called an AOL, which is what we
call an analytical overlay. That means that I took some
idea and started creating a story around it. So sometimes
it's made up and because your mind just wanders and
fills in the gaps of what it doesn't know, or
sometimes it could be real, but I'm because I don't

(01:06:52):
have evidence to prove that I'm right, I'm gonna call
it an AOL. But I was getting a lot of
information on Bigfoot children and their culture and and their
emotions so I was getting this whole narrative about this
kind of background in Bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
So in other words, they're more than just an animal,
is from what you're.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Right, it was more yeah, more intelligence to it. So
the person. So we ended this session and I found
out my target was the Patterson Gimlin footage. Wow, and
is it real or a hoax? That was my question?
Was it real or a hoax? And I'm like, if

(01:07:39):
I was really stuck on this woman, it has to
be real, like you know. So yeah, that was my
cryptid experience.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
And I wanted to ask you something because and I
was like, I got to remember to ask her, which
it was like, what is this? But there's only one
person that's going to tell me what this is. What
is Skinny Bob.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Skinny Bob is the video? If you go on YouTube
you can find it. Okay, skinny Bob is it was
nobody knows who put this video up, but it came
from Russia. I think I'm pretty sure it came from
Russia and somebody posted it and it's this alien looking

(01:08:25):
thing and nobody has nobody has been able to debunk
it totally because it looks very Yeah, you have to
look it up, Okay, able to edit it in. We
did some remote viewing of it. You can look up
John Vivanco has actually our sessions. He made like a

(01:08:46):
mini documentary of it. So if you look up John Vivanco,
I can look and see if I can find the
clip of it and then yes, but yeah, it has
like pictures of our session, so you can see what
a session looks like and line up to Skinny Bob.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
How old it is this video of Skinny Bob. How
far back does it?

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
I think it may have been put out in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I want to old.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
Okay, yeah, okay, it's been around for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Yeah, and people don't realize once upon a time people
post this stuff up and it's like now that everybody
knows who posted what up. There was a time there,
like you said, there's somebody created an account just uploaded
something and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:25):
Yeah, it's the one you probably when you see it,
you'll go, oh that he has like a black turtleneck
and a big head and long arms and he blinks
his eyes blink and.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
I haven't put it, but yeah, I'm looking at it
right now. As far as I see that there's yeah,
which I got to look at this. Yeah, all right,
So I had never believe it or not, and I've
heard a lot of weird stuff. I had never heard
of skinny Bob. Was I gotta ask her? Who is
skinny Bob?

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
That's skinny Bob yep.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Yeah, And the whole question, I imagine is this a real.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Yeah, like the whole thing?

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Yeah. He was being interviewed, and all of us that
remote viewed it were tapping into his emotions.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
So what did you the results of the remote viewing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
One of the first things we had was that in
the crash that where he crash landed, there were some
other survivors but then died later, and he personally felt
abandoned and and he was having a lot of resentment

(01:10:34):
being here. He was kind of sad, he was angry,
he was annoyed, you know, all those things. But most
what was interesting is the evidence of that there were
other beings that were with him, and that there was
more than one vehicle or UFO or something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Okay, interesting, you'll have.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
To watch the It's Jack Vivanco and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
I'll find it. I'll find it. I'll find it. I'll
choice it down.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Every detail from that it was a while ago when
we did it. So, but it was very interesting, Yeah,
it was. It was very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
So well, maybe one day they'll disclose for real, I know, right, yeah,
and then there'll be a lot of people like, well
then then, now what do we look up up? You know,
you know what what are we going to be? What's conspiracy? Now?
Because you know, it was like because we're like that.
I'm telling you human beings are like that. For all that,
you know, we get all the all the science, we
always need to know the mystery always gotta be a

(01:11:33):
mystery about.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Something I know exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
So yeah, let me let me tell you something. It
has been absolutely wonderful to speak to you, Michelle. But
for my podcast listeners, how can they find you?

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Well, so I think I put yeah, Butterfly of fatcenter
dot com under my name. Uh, you can check out
the classes that I teach. Also there's a link if
anybody's interested in a publicist, I do that, or if
anybody going to be in Oklahoma or Texas in April

(01:12:05):
and May and California, we're going to be teaching in
person classes there and then in August and so on,
we'll be on the East coast.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
So we'll be posting this on your website then, right
as far as your stops.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
Yeah, we'll be doing that, yeah for sure. And yeah
so yeah that's oh and then I have my own podcast.
It's called side Chicks and so me and my best
friend from high school. Okay, more of a funny like
humor kind of bas thing. So's PSI c h I

(01:12:41):
c KS talk show. Okay, next talk show.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
So right, that's wonderful. I like that. I really like that. Again,
thank you so much. I'm going to put a link
to your website on the credits of the show. But
that's why I did want you because I have my
podcast listeners sometimes you know, everything is like again, thank
you so much. And I definitely would love it if
you guys come to Florida, make a stop in Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
We will. We are definitely going to do that. But
it was great to talk to Marlene and likewise and uh,
you know, great to talk with the audience. And I
hope to hear from everybody. So if anyone has questions,
just you know, contact me and I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Know what I want to be doing afterwards. I gotta
look up Skinny Bob again. Thank you so much. Michelle
tick Care. Wow, I'm telling you I'm like Skinny Bob. Yeah,
you know what. And the reason why I say this is,

(01:13:42):
you know what, when you have been involved in the paranormal,
you know when I say paranormal, okay, and by extension,
it's not all just goes as your foes and cryptos
and this and that. You think I've heard it all.
I've seen it all. I've heard all the stories, are
all the weird whatever, So hey, you know what, And

(01:14:02):
I had never heard of skinny Bob. And sometimes it
gets to me like, all right, you thought that you
knew what skinny Bob was or what you know that
you've heard it all in other words, and you find out, no,
you haven't seen Let me see if I can get
a skinny Bob. Pick on here, hold on, all right,
Skinny Bob, come here, and okay, I'll just show this.

(01:14:31):
Here we go. Hold on, he's just just some images
of Skinny Bob. As you could tell. It looks like
I wasn't too far. It looks like a gray, even
though they've given him a little bit more human like
with a turtle neck, but it looks like a typical gray,
long ash arms, long, you know, that's pretty out there

(01:14:55):
like that, that's your typical gray as they're described. See.
Now it demands that I find out what's the story
behind Skinny Bob. By the way, I know that the
the show is a little bit staggered. But today, and
I'm sure today, Gene Hackman, a very famous actor, was

(01:15:18):
found dead in his home. By the way, he's ninety
five years old. In and of itself that you know,
actors die, and the God knows, ninety five that's a
good long life here, five years short of having lived
one hundred years plus. You made so many movies. You
were successful. In other words, the mystery is, and God knows,
maybe by the time you see this, the mystery there

(01:15:40):
will be no mystery. Was that his wife, which is
thirty years younger than him, was found dead, as well
as a dog that had three dogs and one dog
is dead. Originally, when I saw the one dog dead,
I said, Okay, maybe somebody decided to do something, but
no leave two dogs behind, but take one. So anyway,
all haven't gotten the full story. How long is they

(01:16:04):
lived out in New Mexico or lived well, lived past
tense And I'm not sure how long they had been
out there. I don't know if this this was a
real I don't think it was a recent From the
little that's coming out, it's not like which makes you ask, like,

(01:16:25):
was there ever anybody checking on them, you know? And
there was a part of the thing was that they
had found some scattered pills near the body of his wife,
like he I believe he was he was passed away
and he was in a bedroom, but she was found
dead in another part of the house, in the living room,

(01:16:46):
and there was the dead dog, and there was some
scattered pills. You know, maybe she maybe he passed away.
And this is just me think, you know, making stuff up.
I don't really know at this point. Maybe she became
despondent because God knows, she was thirty years younger. She
was like, I think sixty four or sixty five years old.

(01:17:06):
And let me see. This is this is the part
that I think that's to me that's kind of a
little bit sad, is that they're saying that apparently they
were dead for some time before a maintenance worker discovered
their bodies. Okay, And I don't know what they mean
by some time, for like a considerable length of time.

(01:17:32):
I don't know how to interpret that. Are we talking
one day, five days, two weeks they were saying that
the gas company out there. I guess they had gas
lines into the house they didn't find like a leakage.
Because everybody was thinking, well, you know, maybe even though
he was old, maybe there was a gas leak like
or a carbon monoxide kind of deal. I don't think

(01:17:55):
that might be it. And again, when you're ninety five,
you could just that's it, could put it's over. But
he uh, I don't know. There's a little bit of
a mystery attached to that. Again, I think has to

(01:18:17):
be more. And this is just me. I might be
totally wrong that maybe even though she was much younger
than him, she maybe she could respond it at having
lost because I believe they were married in nineteen ninety
one if I read correctly, so they have been together
for quite a while for many years, three decades at least.

(01:18:37):
Maybe she she grew despond and she was classic classical pianist.
And I guess My point is though that you know, no,
you know, nobody checks on you, and you're discovered dead
by a maintenance worker, and I guess, and I don't know,
but to me even if you live apart, like nobody's

(01:18:57):
checking on you. How's this not checking on it? That
sounds that doesn't sound right. But you don't have any
kids or family or friends or anybody that calls you
up and says, hey, how's everything going. You guys doing okay?
Everything fine? You know, like one of those deals like
nobody is saying, hey, I haven't heard from Jeane or
from I can't remember what her name is from. You know, hey,

(01:19:22):
they have they called you? No, I haven't called me.
That's that's weird, you know, that kind of deal where
Betsy Betsy, I'm sorry, that's her name, Betsy Arakawa uh,
Like nobody out there's missed, not hearing from either one
of them. I think that's kind of sad. I do.
I do? And you know, you're discovered dead and I'm

(01:19:45):
waiting to see what the length of time is by
a maintenance worker. And I guess this ties back into
what I was, what me and Michelle were talking about. Where.
Don't get me wrong, people sometimes that that's existed always,
even before phones and technology. There's there's been plenty of
times where people would just die and they had lost

(01:20:08):
touch with their family origins or they didn't have anybody
even with their neighbors, and they would sometimes pass away
and nobody found them, sometimes for weeks, days, whatever. But
you always think somebody like that, like nobody that they
did house of this, that they didn't have enough constant

(01:20:30):
contact either by phone or an email or something for
somebody to say, that's really weird that I haven't talked
to so and so or I've called mom, or I've
called so and so on because he has three children
by another marriage. Did they didn't have any kids but
he had like nobody? I don't know. I guess that's

(01:20:51):
that's the part I don't understand. And this also ties
into what I mentioned briefly to Michelle about how some
of these Jane and John Doe's when she was talking
about the cold cases, that you know, the first, the
first thing a lot of these investigations go to is

(01:21:12):
missing persons report. You know, they find a body and
they don't find any identification on them, especially if it's
in an advanced state of decomposition, like maybe all you've
got is part of a skeleton maybe or less normally,
if they've got enough to like, let's say, determine what

(01:21:33):
the sex is what the approximate age, and maybe even
maybe because of death, maybe they always look at what
do we have any missing person's report? In other words,
somebody took the trouble to go to the police and
issue a report because they have not heard or seen
from this person an x amount of time. And you'd

(01:21:56):
be surprised how sometimes there's people that just they disappear,
they fall off the map. Nobody and I mean nobody
even bothers to go to a police department and say, hey,
I haven't seen or heard from this person in a
long time. And maybe depending on their lifestyle. I know
that's kind of sometimes people. But in other words, that

(01:22:16):
once you place the report, yeah, this person might turn up,
might never turn up, but that nobody even cares enough
to say, chances are nothing ever happened to this person.
But you know what, just to be on the safe side,
I'm going to go into the police department and I'm
going to issue report just in case, just in case,
just in case they ever turn up anywhere. You know,

(01:22:41):
a lot of these Jane and John Doe's, they hope
they can match them up with the missing persons or
at least narrow the search halls that. But again, a
lot of them go unidentify because sometimes they're from other
parts of the country or even another part of the world,
or nobody's ever bothered to notify police that hey, ten

(01:23:05):
years ago, twenty years ago, thirty years ago, five years ago,
this person fit into this description, this age, range, height, whatever,
we have not seen or heard from them for whatever, right,
even if this person might have had a risky lifestyle
or was known to go around the country, you know,

(01:23:26):
spend a little time here. I mean, again, we come
back to the original thing that I'm talking about genact
like that people kind of lose touch with anybody that
cares about whether you're dead or alive, because that's basically
what it boils down to. Somebody cares or notices whether
you're dead or alive, and if they don't hear from you,

(01:23:49):
or they don't see you or something, they try to
find out what happened to you right away, not like
three months later, like, hey, that's I don't know, and
I think that that's that's a problem. And I know
that it's sometimes because of the lifestyle that it's busy
and everything, But you know what the flip side of

(01:24:09):
it is We've got this, you know. This is the
good part is like, hey, where are you? I haven't
heard are you okay?

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Blah blah blah blah blah blah. And then you know,
if normally you're used to seeing this person and you're like, hey,
where are you having that? You know? In other words,
right away, and I guess I'm not saying in impatience,
but that if if you're at least used to talking
to somebody once a day, for example, or even training
a text, and they don't, you're going to say that's weird.

(01:24:41):
And by within twenty four hours, depending on what kind
of relationship you have with this person or that you
know for sure you would have heard from this person
some way, shape or form, and you don't, You're like,
that's weird, that's strange. In other words, things start either
you go over to where they live, or even if
you are in another part of the town, the city,
that country, you can call the local police department and say, look,

(01:25:02):
I need a welfare check on this person. I speak
to them every day or every other day, or we
trade email. I have not heard from them. They haven't
responded to my calls or my tasks. Can you please
check to see if this person is okay? There's nobody.
I think it's very sad. That's just me being sentimental,
but I can't help it. And again, guys, I hope

(01:25:24):
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five will be a good year. I think it is,
at least it's an interesting year if anything. If anything,
so again, guys, take care. Oh that's another thing, and

(01:26:34):
let me mention this. Then news another thing that's like
the Pope Frances in the hospital. They say supposedly, well,
it started out with a respiratory infection. I believe the
last I read was he had some type of either
kidney or organ failure. So that's another thing that we

(01:26:57):
as far as the Catholics, they maybe are we going
to be picking a new pope or is he going
to recover? You know, I think he's been like a
couple of weeks already in the hospital. But that's you know,
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(01:27:18):
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