Animal Communication | Interview with Penelope Smith | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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you are all wonderful. Hire. Everybody's everybody doing good. Everything
is good here. I have to make my weather commentary.

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It's getting hot. Yay, yeah, it's getting hot. It's me
but it's getting hot. How's this? Remember I live in Florida,
but northern Florida, lit bit, you know, even though technically
we're not in summer yet. It's like, forget the technically part,
all right, But besides that, it's okay. You know. My

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tomato plants are doing good. Yeah, you know, I haven't
killed them. My potatoes are coming up. Like I said,
I got to stick to simple stuff, you know, tomatoes, potatoes,
because if not. And you know what's really funny. The
other day I visited my son's house. He lives in
another one of my other houses, because that's what you
do with your kids, you know, you let them run
you over, you know, not only kid, even when they're adults.

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But anyway, he's my he's my farmer kid. You know,
he's got bees and he's got plants. And I hadn't
gone there by down I went down to Miami and
he's got this big I went down in the yard
and I'm kiddy, he's got this big tub of this
huge tomato p this think it's got tomatoes. And I'm like, Brandon,
I don't know how he does it. You know, I

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believe it. You know. So they say some people are
born with green thumbs. Well, one of my kids was
born with a green thumb. You know, you leave it
up to me. My husband calls me the orchid killer.
I gave that up on that, even though I've got
one that's flowering. But yeah, and I'm looking at it
and he's got it outside and they slept, and I
was like, oh, all right, okay, at least somebody got
the green thumb Jean in the in the family. But anyway,

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I'm besides that, you know, uh, that's all good. And
people ask me to comment on the chicks. My twelve chicks.
Everybody's good alive. You know, I'm eating you know, they're
eating well. And no, that's about it. You know, anybody
that's had chickens before knows that when you get these
very small hatchlings, you gotta be real careful with them

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because sometimes for no reason, they'll just go and just
die on you. That's just that's the way it is.
But no, so far my dozen are good and they
feathered out and you know that, I got to feed
them because they're like always hungry. So that's always a
good sign that. Yeah, I've said it before. When we
have an animal and it stops eating, it's like ooh
uh ooh. So yeah, besides that, Yeah, everything is good again,

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I will state it and restated. Ordinary and dull is underrated.
Sometimes it's a perfect thing. But anyway, let's get onto
the good part. And the good part is who is
our guest today at Stories of the Supernatural. This is
their first time here. Her name is Penelope Smith. She
is a founding pioneer of interspecies telepathic communication and she's

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practiced professionally since the nineteen seventies. She's communicated with animals
telepathically throughout her life, and she discovered this in nineteen
seventy one, that animals could be relieved of emotional traumas
and other problems through the same counseling techniques that helped humans.
Her training and experience include bachelor's and master's degrees in
the social sciences, years of training and experience in human counseling, nutrition,

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anihalistic body energy balancing methods, research into animal nutrition, anatomy,
behavior and care, and her first hand education from the
thousands of animals she has contacted. She's published some of
the first and now classic books and audio recordings in
the field. The tried and true telepathic communication techniques she
developed are widely used by others in the field. Her

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students affectionately call her the Grandmother of inner species telepathic communication.
A legendary teacher, she helped launch the careers of professional
animal communicators around the world. Penelope feels that the sacred
connection made through telepathic communication of the other species is
essential for human wholeness. She believes everyone is born with
the power to communicate with other species, and that we

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all can rediscover the ability for the benefit of all
beings unearthed help me welcome her. How are you doing today, Penelope,
I'm great.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Thank you so much. Marlene fun listening to you.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Oh yeah, By the way, I'm gonna I'm gonna interject
since we're going to talk on the day that thing
of animals. So now, I was, as you can tell,
I'm an animal lover myself, and I read this article
that there's a marine park in France called Marineland an
Tibbie's where they've abandoned the dolphins and the killer whales,
the orca's there since January. Okay, I I had know,

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you know what it always you always think that when
these places, these shows like you know, or where they
have these animals, whatever they are, you know, if you're
gonna close down, you donate or transport these animals somewhere,
you know, And they've left them there, them there, And

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I hadn't heard about this, and I was like, okay,
so which of these big, huge water parks or somebody
with a lot of money is going to do for
these poor animals. They just there's these huge tanks. Because
I don't know how old the park is. But I
was like, I was astonished. I couldn't believe that. And
how's this. I was surprised that I would think that

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the government would say, no, you can't do that. You
can't just leave animals like this. You either got to
find a home for them, donated or and in some
cases I know that some of these they can't be
released into the wild because they don't know how to
survive in the world. But I'll tell you what, rather
than leaving them trapped in these these huge holding pens

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that they had, Yeah, at least give them a chance
if you can't. But yeah, I wanted to put my
two cents worth in here, Penelope, because I thought that
was very heartless. When you know, when I read stories
like that, you know that they made probably a lot
of money off these animals. And you know, I'm not
saying anything against the parks per se, but that the
least they could do is do right by these animals,

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you know, once they had to close their doors. Of course,
you know, I was very surprised with that. So I'm
gonna keep an eye on that. By the way, you
guys have talked to my audience, Yes, I'm gonna I'm
gonna keep an eye on that, and I'm hoping that
they're gonna do right. Uh. And you know, because I'm thinking,
you know what may probably the fish when I say,
you know, considering as a marine land the fish they
could probably release back into the into the sea, into

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the ocean. But the orcas and the dolphins, some of them,
I don't know. I don't know what the history is
on these animals. I don't know. But anyway, Ley, you
know what you're mentioning here that you how did you
realize that you could communicate with animals, Penelope?

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Well, I've always communicated with animals. I didn't have any
particular point of realist as a child. I just always
knew that they were just like me. We were fellow beings,
and they were intelligent, and we could communicate with each other.
And when I was told it was my imagination, I
decided that I was not going to abandon my animal friends,

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and I would continue, but just keep it quiet, keep
it as my own thing, because obviously other people were
not tuned.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
In right right exactly? Yeah, that that and you know,
you hear that from a lot from kids when they're younger,
when they whatever they realized, you know what, I'm going
to be. I'm going to keep my mouth closed on
this because either you get a look or you're like told, no,
you're like you said, oh, it's just sure. O. What
a lively imagination she has, you know exactly? And what

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can I ask you? What was the first animal that
you realized was it like a domesticated animal or that
you started realizing that the communication was possible.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, I remember sitting. I had domesticated animals and our
family dogs and cats and parakeets and fish, and so
I always was close to them. But I remember most
as a child sitting with the wild animals. I mean,
I was in a city in Chicago and I but
we had little parks and I would just go and

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sit really quietly and ask the birds to come to me,
and ask the snakes, which were garter snakes and you know,
little snakes like that, ask them to come out, and
insects and ask them to come out. I'd go to
the side in the bushes where no one could see
me and just ask the animals to come out, and
I would It would be like a little picnic together,

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you know, we just sit there and communicate with each other,
and they'd come down. I told them, you don't have
to be afraid of me and so and squirrels, and
I just remember that very clearly because that was my
own special experience. I couldn't, of course, tell anybody about
because they would just make fun of it.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Yeah, yeah, sure, I understand that completely. Yes, yes, that mustn't.
That's so neat. That's so neat, because that's like beyond
just like liking animals or.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
You know, yeah, the thing is, it's a natural thing.
We're socialized out of it in our western culture. But
you look at indigenous cultures, they're not socialized out of it.
You know, they just continue to communicate and regard it
as a very natural thing because it is. But we
get very much into the only language that's valid is

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human spoken language, and so what happens is we forget that.
We also get the thoughts and feelings behind the words,
which is telepathy. And we even with people, you know,
we know what they're feeling, We know even what they're
thinking sometimes when it's not what their words are saying. Yes,

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you know, we're getting it, but we deny it.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Right, there's like an unspoken how's this kind of like tuition?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Yeah, yeah, like you say, it's not just the words
as far as communication.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Energy, it's the emotion, it's the feeling. And so this
is very natural to all animals, and so it's very
easy to communicate with other animals telepathically. With humans, you
have to regard conventions.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
You know, my husband loves me. Sometimes I'm out there
with my birds and I'm like, don't look at me
with that face, especially if I if I feel late
feeding them, and he's like there she goes, you know,
because it's you know, and it's like because like you said,
sometimes you you even by the way they look at you.
You know, you're like, oh, I know what you want.
You know, I'm late with your food, hold lot, you know.

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But it's which you know, everybody is familiar with the
story of doctor Doolittle. You know that that he had
that ability, and it's always been seen as and you
know that more modern movie with Robert Redford, The Horse Whisper,
which is that you know, you have the ability with

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certain animals to like they listened to you, or vice versa,
whatever the case might be. And so here you you're
growing up, which, by the way, which is when a
lot of kids just forget about it or lose interest.
What happened with you?

Speaker 2 (12:23):
You you well again, I was I was really different.
I was a very spiritual child. I was aware of
that I was a spiritual being. I was aware that
other people were not aware of that. So I had
to keep a lot of things quiet into myself. And
so anything that I said, like talking to the animals

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or talking to the nature spirits, because I would also
be in touch with the fairies or with beings who
were not in their bodies, I would be aware of them.
This was all regarded as nonsense. So I just learned
to keep it all to myself. And and I was
not close to other children. I came from a very

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abusive background, so everything was kind of confined anyway, you know,
you keep a lot to yourself and hope you could
make it through. And so to me, this was a treasure,
and it was what got me through. My ability to
telepathic communicate and to pray and to with the saints
and angels as well as with the animals and all

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the beings on earth. To me, it was a saving grace.
And I looked around and I saw that a lot
of people, particularly in my parents, were very very miserable,
you know, because they were not aware of themselves as
spiritual beings. So I said, you know, that isn't what
I'm here for. I'm here. Well, as a little girl,
I said, I'm here to save the world. You know,

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That's how I shared, I'm here to save the world.
I'm going to help everybody. But as I grew up,
I rephrased it, you know as Okay, I'm going to
help people to awaken, to be happier, to help them
get through their traumas, help them get through their confusion
and the pain that that causes them. And so I

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just because I had these abilities, it kind of came
naturally to start to use my ability to communicate with animals.
When I became a counselor for people, I just found
animals were so responsive.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
So I could, okay, because you went into that, you
went into told you went to the counseling.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yes, okay, And I felt, you know, that it was
very helpful to people. Spiritual counseling was oriented to them
as a whole being rather than just you know, Freudian counseling.
It was more about their spiritual path and how they
could grow and so and get through traumas, get through
the stuff that and beliefs that hold them back. And

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so I started applying it to animals and the results
were absolutely fantastic. The animals would change so rapidly, they
would listen, they would assimilate it so rapidly. Where people
had a lot of barriers, they had a lot of fears, shouts,
mental baggage that the animals did not have. So the
animals would say, you know, sure, I'll tell you about this,

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and yeah, I want help, and they just start rolling
right things out very quickly, and so I went, wow,
this is astounding. And I always loved animals, so I went,
you know, my mission is to help people to awaken.
I said, you know, this is so perfect for that,

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because people love their animals, and when you tell them
and show them that their animals understand that the animals
are spiritual beings, that their animals are aware beings, people
start to realize things about themselves. They go oh oh,
and then they change. I mean I could see people

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shifting so rapidly, and I went, you know, this is
the way to go. And I just started orienting myself
more and more toward the animal communication because I saw
it worked. You know, I had to test it out
for a while with various people and their animal friends,
and then I went, you know what, this is just
too good. And the people wanted me to teach them

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and they wanted me, and so I did a lot
of media appearances, radio, TV, newspapers, magazines. This was in
the seventies, so a whole different thing than now. But
it got the word out and there were a few
other people doing this, but I was the one who
focused on education and waking it up in other people,

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not just helping other people and their animal friends, but
leaving them ignorant.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Do you think that this shift, like you said, this
was in the seventies, Yeah, do you? And I'm sure
you've seen everybody now has got a therapy animal, you
know it. Like, I don't care. I'm good with that.
I don't have any problem. You know, before, you know,
you only used to see service animals as in service animals,
you know, that was for a few and far betweens.
And I have to laugh because all of these animals,

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I'm looking at them, you know, with their little blanket,
especially if they're older, and it's like, that's not service animal.
But okay, I get it because I've got eight dogs
underneath me right now, So I get it, you know,
so you know, but it's so funny because it's like
I get the therapy part though, I get. I see
how what animals do for humans as.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Far as yes, so beautifully and without all the questions
that people have, sure, without all the judgments, and so
they're in a different place, you know, they're they recognize
themselves as spiritual beings living and experience. So they go, okay,
i'll help you. I'm here to help you too. Yes,

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I'm here to enjoy my life and I'll help you too.
So they just put out their their love or just
their presence, you know. Just even when an animal is
very traumatized and they can't respond with full trust because
they've been abused before, even then you feel the comfort

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of their being and of course it draws you out
to help them while they are helping you to it.
They are growing through their traumas because again that's how
I learned. Animals respond so well because they had traumas,
and then they responded so well to relieving their traumas

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and growing in trust. You know, it takes time, but
it's you can sort of jumpstart the whole process when
you do the counseling and the healing with them. You
can take chunks out at a time, and then they
can continue to grow with their personally. Because people and
their animals have a spiritual journey together, they're growing together,

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they're helping each other, and so it's an incredibly beautiful
thing in the relationship. And so that people are recognizing
that and emotional support that animals give them emotional support.
I go, well, yes, and they've been doing that always.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah. As a matter of fact, you've seen even in
some disasters, people have refused to leave if they can't
take their animal with them. They've stayed behind with the animal,
or they leave they you know, they take the animal.
In some cases, I've heard of people just not I'm
not I can't take my animal. I'm not leaving.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
They've even had rescuers say, hey, you know, we're going
to pick you up on a boat, but you can't
take the animal. And they're like, no, I'm not leaving
if I can't take my animal with me. So yeah,
and that's that's a bond, that's I think because of
a beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
It's a soul heart bond. And you know, often people
may not be able to definitely express it or intellectualize it,
but it's really more about that we understand each other,
you know, intuitively without having to even speak. That's so important.

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That's so you know how when you love somebody and
you live with them, oftentimes you don't speak as much
as you did when you first met each other. Sure
you don't have to you understand each other and there's
that telepathic connection. And so your husband or your partner
just understands you. And so you have that with your
animal friends. Are you going to leave that? That's why

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I said when I was a little girl, you know,
even at that time in history, when people consider animals things,
you know, dispose of it. I don't even use the
word pet because pet is, oh, well, they're my thing,
you know, for me to do with what I want.
Well they aren't. They're your companion, the your friend, your family,

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a whole different thing. And so now it's a whole
different orientation to animals to regard them as fellow beings.
And it can change the world if you regard animals
that way, and you regard plants that way and the
earth that way. How different people.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Act, sure, of course, of course when.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
They when they regard that there's a soul there, that
there is a heart there, that that being understands and
cares for you.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, that we're all part of the same complex. Yeah,
we might be different life forms and the sense of
humans versus you know, an animal or a plant or whatever,
but I agree, you know, we're It.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Comes down to you know, what really means something in life.
It isn't your ideas. It comes down to the feelings
you have in the relationships. So it comes down to kindness, understanding,
loving care. Those are the things that really matter to
people in the end. Sure, they may get caught up

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in money, or they may get caught up in status,
or they may get caught up in this, but that's
simply being caught up. It's not what really gives you nutrition.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Absolutely agree. It doesn't feed your soul. It doesn't. A
lot of people think that, and you know, and some
of them they think, well, when I get whatever it is,
you know, fill in the blank, you know, that car,
that house, that whatever, I don't care. And then when
they get it, they're like, okay, so when does the
happiness start? And it's like wrong, you know. They they
get fooled into thinking, especially materialistic things, you know. And

(22:21):
I'm not don't get me wrong, I like nice things.
But but there's an understanding like if if your soul
is hungrying for something, whether it's happiness or fulfillment or whatever,
you know, thinking you're gonna get it from an inanimate object,
You're going to be kind of disappointed. I think eventually,

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and I think that and I also want to say
that sometimes with this thing with the animals that sometimes
people have become very How's this distrusting of other humans?
So then animal is more trustworthy? How's that like the animal?
You know exactly what the animal is about?

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, and well they call a spadas bade you know
that a critical right, This is what I need. This
is what works for me. This is how I feel.
And so you're you always feel safe, you know, because
they're showing you exactly what it is. And I feel
that the good human relationships have that quality to them. Sure,

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where you just call a spadea s babe. You don't
have to hide things, you don't have to be something else.
You just relate to each other, hard to heart, soul,
the soul. You're a very easy person to talk with
because you have that kind of connection, easy, warm, very

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full connection. And this is what we look for. This
is what we look for. So we get it with
our animal friends. And they're happy to respond to that.
You know, they're they're grateful too. You know, it's reciprocal.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Oh no, I tell everybody, even taking a video, I'm
taking a shower and I look and I have a
little audience of dogs looking at me, and they'll wander.
They'll leave the bathroom, go out, then come back and
look at me. It's like where am I'm not going anywhere,
you guys, you know, but they're all like just in case,
you know what, I go down the I don't know
the drain. But it's so funny because they take turns
and they'll hang out and the line. You know, I

(24:21):
have this you know, water towel, and they'll sit there
and then some leave and then they come back and
they look at me. Done yet, And I you know, obviously,
and I take a shower every day, so they're there,
same thing, you know. The morning I let them out,
they're running around. But if I have to step back
in because usually I wait out there while they do
their thing and I'm just m but sometimes a phone
will be something, you know, and I leave the door promise.

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Sudden I look behind me and they're also looking at me.
It's like, okay, I'm here, you know, like in other words,
if they have line of sight of me, it's all good.
I want, you know, they'll do their thing. But if
I go, it's almost and I think that's so sweet,
you know.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Because yes, fill their purpose to make sure that you're okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Yeah, it's even though they there's nothing alarming. Let me
ask you something but something that I'm always Do you
think animals reincarnated't come back to you in another Definitely?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
Yes. I've had very much experience with this, both my
own animal friends and many many clients. So it's very
common an animal will live, say your dog fifteen years
or something. You know, I had my dog say to me,
fifteen years is not enough. I'm coming back to you
because we need to continue our journey together and I

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want to take care of you. I want to look
after you. And I just went, wow, this is so wonderful.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yes, yes, I do. I personally believe that. I think
that animals come back to you one way or the other.
And I think sometimes because people will say, well, you know,
maybe when you get another dog, you're priming yourself, and
I say, no, you know what, in might experience the
animal comes to you in unexpected ways. In other words,
it's not you know like when people they lose an animal,

(26:05):
then they do go try to find a replacement, which
is not there's nothing wrong with it, but this is
not when you're looking for replacement or another animal that
looks like it. Somehow it just ends up with you
through some weird reason, somehow unexpectedly.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah. Yeah, you stay connected to the spiritual connection, yes,
and will show you in different ways if they're coming
back to you, or if they're said they're helping you
find somebody for you. But when you go from a
materialistic point of view, like oh, I want this certain
kind of dog, or I want them to look this way,
you're going in an objective point of view. It's not

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necessarily going to be the right thing for you. And
there's not there's going to be some hardship there, and
again it's all part of your things that you need
to learn in this life. But if you just follow
the connection. I write these in my books, you know,
my books on animals and spirit animals, on animal death.
I write how animals show you various ways and where

(27:04):
to go. While I get direct messages they say, okay,
now look in the paper and look exactly here, or
look up at Craigslist, or go to the Humane Society,
or go here, go there, and there they are, and
I know exactly you know, and they you. And if
you follow that guidance, then you get the exact right match.

(27:26):
It just is so incredibly beautiful.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Yes, yes, it comes like you know when. And that's
happened to me on more than one occasion because I've
always had animals always on my life that as far
as that they find a way back to you somehow
or other, like, they find a way too like and
sometimes there's something about them that they it's a giveaway
that this is who that is. You know. Look, you're like, ah,

(27:54):
you know, you just know, you just know that. Let
me ask you what do you think about? And I
hadn't really really that they were doing this these and
obviously you need a lot of money to do this.
Is that people that have cloned let's say, like a dog,
And I was like, oh, I don't know about that.
What do you think about that?

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Well, again, your motivation, if you're motivated out of desperation,
sure it again is a very difficult thing when you
follow desperation or fear or instead of following what is
right for you and what is right for the animal. Again,

(28:32):
I cannot comment on in a generality because each individual
case is going to be different. Whatever people are doing,
there's something in it that they're going to learn from.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I just think that, yeah, right, you could clone the
animal to look at well, obviously exactly like the one before.
But at the same time, I think you're not going
to get the same animal as the spirit, and.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
It could be a possibility then that that spirit who
is waiting to come back to you says, okay, fine,
you set up this body.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Okay, later.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
You can. You can go to your local humane society.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yes, we're the animal, you know, the being who was
your friend a few years ago. Yes, right, go right now,
I'm there and I have black fur and my and
a funny little marking on my face, and there's the dog.
You know.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
That's That's what I'm saying. I would be like, okay,
guide you.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
There, And I mean, I'm definitely into helping animals, adopting
animals who need rescuing, and it's it's wonderful. And to me,
I'm not into well, I must have this certain kind
of body, and I'm always delighted by how they appear,
you know, I go, well, this is interesting. I never
thought my.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
All my dogs are rescues. As a matter of fact,
I got one extra one time. Some people posted stance
at White Light Pool looking dog, and you know how
people posted up, hey we found this dog in this area,
and that had one that had just passed away, one
of those you know when your children get a dog
and then somehow or other you inherited. But anyway, one
of my dogs that had him for a really long

(30:14):
time and he passed away a few months had gone.
I said, well, so they post up, you know, hey,
we found this dog in this thing. If anybody you know,
so I contact. I said, look, if you cannot find
the owner, let me know I have a space for her.
Three weeks later, sure enough, they called me and they said, look,
we took her to the wed She has a chip,
but no information. We've posted up posters in our neighborhood.

(30:36):
We can't keep her. We have one dog. We can't
keep her. Do you want her? I said, sure, So
I went. I met them, nice people. All of a sudden,
like two weeks later, I'm looking at her and I'm like,
you know what, you're trying to look a little bit
round the in the stomach area. Shut up? You know
there she was. Now I know what she was doing
when she got out of her She was well taken
care of. That was the thing. She she hadn't been

(30:57):
on the street long. But yeah, she got I don't
know sure enough. She was pregnant and she had two puppies.
I lost one because I don't know who she got
together with. I think it was some type of brown
lab or something. I kept one of them, my Bubba boy,
he's here. But yeah, it was one of those things
when you get a rescue and then you get like
more and it's like hey, but yeah, that's the things

(31:20):
that that happens. That again, one of those things that
you don't plan on it, you know, and it just
goes in that direction, and then you.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Meant to be and then you you know, because you
have a very positive attitude, you just go, well, this
is more love. This is great.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
That's fine, that's fine, that's fine. As a matter of fact,
I even I even have I'm such a swep the
the vet that it took her to he he showed
he I even have like the well they did like
an expert. Really it's like a like a like what
they do with pregnant women, which is a scan which
just shows the two puppies in there. I still have

(31:57):
that there, you know, like here it is you like,
you know, people show up and I was like, okay,
you know, getting carried away here. But yeah, the let
me ask you because nowadays, you know, as far as
I don't know where you live now or where you've lived,

(32:18):
have you had access to wildlife or it? Or because
I think that what you were doing as a kid
that was great.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, well I live in a rural area. I'm in
the Morn Desert north of Phoenix, and I am surrounded
by animals and I look out my window and I
see the mountains and the trees and then there are
all kinds of critters. So yes, I have to be
I mean, it's part of my being to be around

(32:47):
wild animals. I would not not be in a natural
right area. It's just what nurtures me.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Have you had animals and what I'm going to have?
You had any wildlife come to you for help?

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yes, yes, I've had that happen throughout my life actually,
where they've either come for help or they need help.
You know, I come across them and they they need help,
and sometimes I can help them and sometimes I cannot.
Intimes of the help is just to help them transition.
You know that they're hurt, they've been hit by a

(33:21):
car and they're badly hurt, and just to help them
lift out of their bodies because they're very, very damaged.
And other times it's a matter of well, we can
you know, do something for them physically. But sometimes you
can't with animals that have been badly injured.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Right, right, I know that sometimes animals, you know.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
But you know it's okay because they lift out of
their bodies and they go they look around and they go, Okay, well,
I think I'll be a deer again. You know that
didn't end so well, but okay, that was the way
it was. I'll get a new body and enjoy that.
I really love being a deer. And I said, and
I said, and just watch for the lights, you know exactly,

(34:02):
don't cross when you see those headlights. Don't let yourself
get confused and dash out doesn't work, remember that, right, right, right,
and exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
It's not the you know what. And I want to say,
it's like and you would think, okay, this is an
animal thing. None of the angs like oh why did
I get hit by a car? No, it's just like
you said, all right, I guess I'll do this again.
You know, none of the things that humans get caught
up on like, oh what was me? Why did that
happen to me? Kind of deal. You know, they're like,
all right, next, well, it's.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Part of our journey, you know, to work things out.
But if we get too caught up in our head,
we don't find out either. You know, you have to
lean back and let the journey happen and then the
pieces of the puzzle come together. You know, just like
you said, you realize things, you follow your intuition, you
get guidance, and then then it falls into place. But

(34:53):
if you try too hard, trying too hard, just like
with telepathy, people get so anxious about doing it they
try to and they block all the communication. So a lot
of it is relaxing into the journey. And that's one
of the things we can learn from animals. You know,
even when they die, they go, okay, I got it right.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
And you hear you know, you always hear a lot
of these stories of people lost the animals, and then
after a little while they still hear them around, you know,
or feel them around, especially like right after and then
eventually it just fades away. But yeah, they kind of
like either they you know, they hear the clicking of
the nails or something, yeah, or if they come on
the yes, I'm him, you know, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Some people feel them coming on the bed and they
feel his weight.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
On the bed, you know, yes, of course, like everything,
like what their their routine was, I guess that they
still follow it.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Well. They also want to connect with you. You know,
it's very important for you, you know, to help you
through your grief and your loss, to be able to
connect with your animal friend. And your animal friend knows
that so often when they first go. Besides the beautiful
expansion they have of going into the spiritual realm and
feeling the peace and the openness, they also look after you.

(36:13):
They go, Okay, I got to help my person through
this hard time. Yes, yes, And I want you to
hear me. So they they help you through your grief
if you will allow them to, and you'll feel their love,
you'll feel their presence. It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
No, yeah, let me ask you. And like we were
talking about rescuing, like I've gone to the local shelter
here and you know, I was looking for like but
I can't because all my dogs are like smaller. They're
not little chi wanas, but they're smaller. So I have
to be like, really, I can't bring in a big dog.
But anyway, let me get to my point. When I
was there, they had so many larger dogs that I

(36:50):
was like, you know, what if even if I didn't
have my other dogs. I guess I'm intimidated because I'm thinking,
what if I can't you know what if there? You know,
sometimes you don't even the pound doesn't know the history
on them. You know, they were if somebody is going
to go, let's say, to a shelter or the local
animal Is there anything that you recommend that people do

(37:14):
when they're trying to find the connection?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah? You know. This is one thing that people call
animal communicators about, you know, is to find out is
this the right being for you? Is there a real connection?
Are you just doing this out of well I really
should do this, or are you doing this because it's
a relationship. You know, it's a special relationship. You have

(37:40):
to meet the being that's right for you in your life.
If you're feeling intimidated by a dog that's not the
right dog for you right now, that is not a
good sign. You know, you'll feel that the dog is
right for you and you have to be realistic. There
are some dogs that are dangerous, yes, you know, they

(38:03):
have been traumatized, or they have a history, or they've
been bred to hurt other beings, and you have to
be very, very careful. So I would say regard your
own physical situation too. Like I had Afghan hounds for
almost thirty years, but then I got to a place
in my life I could no longer keep up with them,

(38:26):
you know, I mean there was no way before I
used to, you know, take them for long runs, and
they needed that, you know, they needed to run. Okay.
So then spirit guided me and said, right, you're going
to shift to a different kind of dog now. And
I said, wow, you know, because I've always been into them.
And then I kept getting visions and dreams of the

(38:47):
dog who was coming to me next. And again it
was through a rescue, and it turned out this dog
was part sighthound. She was mixed, but she was part sighthound,
so it was like a continuation. She was small, she
was only fifteen pounds, but she was she ru ran
like the wind, but she always listened to me. I'm
like Afghans who go always go come means see you later.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Right, yeah, yeah bye?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Because they have such a need and so much a
part of them to run, which I could always keep
up with and I did you know, we had lots
of adventures. But with my next dog, she loved to run,
but she loved to look after me. So she would
always turn around and come back and look after me.
And she preferred to look after me then to run,

(39:34):
which then I could handle that. You know, at my
age and condition of physical ability, I could handle that.
And so you know, it's kind of natural to downsize
as you get older. You know, if you be sure,
you either can't keep up with them, or they're so
big they could they can pull you down, or you know,

(39:54):
you could get hurt absolutely from having a dog that
you can't. They can pull your arm out of the
side if they, if they.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
One time I was baby sitting my son's American bulldog, Arizona,
and I take her and I had her even though
I was on my and she she saw something. I
don't know what it was. She went and I went like, like, yeah,
she was was she was such a strong dog. Yeah,
she was excited.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah. And with your question, I would say to people,
be real on the physical your physical situation, and then
ask spirit, you know, ask, ask your guidance. Okay, what
who is right for me? Please guide them to me,
Guide me to them. Yeah, and they're already looking for you.
They already know. And then you get the message. And

(40:44):
then instead of looking at the dogs that you think
you should have or that are right to adopt because
there's so many of them in the shelter, you go, no,
it's a relationship. It's a life. You know, it's a life,
your life in their life. You gotta have the right
relationship or else it doesn't work. Everybody is stressed, everybody

(41:05):
can get hurt. So you find the one that's right
for you, and it's.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Total joy, right even though people you want to rescue,
you know obviously if you go, But at the same time,
it's just not a question I'm rescuing. It's got to
be the connection with the right examimal.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
And then you find that and then it builds, you know.
So maybe your journey is to grow with an animal
who has been very traumatized and you're gonna learn together
and you're going to get through your fears together. You know,
you're going to help each other. Or maybe your journey
is you just need to play and have fun. So
you got yourself a little playful dog who's going to

(41:42):
make sure you get out three times a day for
a good walk, whatever it is, to take care of you.
But it's an incredibly special relationship, whether it's a dog,
a cat, or bird, whoever it is. Listen, listen and
tune into your heart with your heart, not just with thinking,

(42:05):
but with all your feeling, and go does this feel
good for both of us? We both got to be
helped by the situation because otherwise, as it is with
any relationship, are you going to go into a human
relationship with somebody who is going to hurt you? Well?
People exactly, people do, but is it the best thing?

Speaker 1 (42:26):
And you know what, I'm glad to bring that up
because I know some people that want to rescue an
animal and we're going to use the dog here, but
it could be and they almost go towards the most
traumatized because I think this is the one that needs
to be saying. But I think you made a very
good point that sometimes certain animals, because of their experience,
their breeding, or even how they be trained, you can't
rescue them. You want to. You see what I'm saying,

(42:49):
how some people go through the worst case scenario and
it's like your intentions are good.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
But it's not going to work. Yes, you have to
be practical on all level's physical, mental, spiritual, emotional. You
have to be Is this a really viable relationship? Is
there a possibility because otherwise you're not helping me helping
you know. It's it's just like hoarders. People who word animals.

(43:15):
They have this idea again, it's thinking they're not really
getting the whole picture. They have this idea. Okay, the
more animals I take in, the better they are, and
the better I am. Well, then the animals are starving
their cities.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Yeah, crap.

Speaker 2 (43:33):
Condition, horrible situations. I mean I have seen it. Of course,
I've met rescue animals who come from those situations. Everybody
is traumatized. They need a lot of help. The human
obviously needs help and they have to be rescued. You're
this person again, gets this idea, I just accumulate animals.
You can't accumulate.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I've seen that.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
I seen that weird work. So you know, the idea
of numbers I'm going to get I'm going to rescue
a couple of them. Well, can you manage couple. Is
it right for you in your apartment?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
You know, of course absolutely that you're thinking like that,
that that that your good intentions. Sometimes you have to,
like you said, be practical besides your good intentions, be
practical about your situations.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Actually get fulfilled in something good. You know, just like
the people who take on too many animals and the
animals they can take care of them, et cetera. Okay,
that doesn't work. But if you take in the one
animal that is right for you, right, everybody lives a
good life. Yeah, this is a good situation.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah, the one, the one that you picked one time.
This was when they still had greyhound racing here in Florida.
And you know they retire them after like about three years,
and you can adopt one, you can, you know, they
they destroy some of these animals. So I remember I
did the process and the lady calls them extues, Well
do you have any small animals like it? And at
that time, I said, well, I have some cats which

(45:01):
I had rescued because they would drop them off at
this park that would jog at. I said, yeah, I
have three cats. You know, they were outdooring their cats.
She goes, look, they've been trained so much to chase
small animals that they will go after your cats. I said,
thank you for letting me know. I would love to
do this, but I got to take care of my cat.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
That's real seal.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yes, she says that that's the way they're trained. I
mean they don't a small animal, especially like a caterinny
animal that darts around to them. They've been trained they'll
go for it, you know. And it was like, Nope,
I wish I could, but I can't, you know. So, yeah,
I understand what you're talking about as far as what
good intentions are versus the reality of your city, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
And sometimes people have to learn from making the choice
that doesn't turn out so well. But it can be
a real hard learning and once you've learned that, then
don't do it again.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Sure, and you see this even with the cats. Yeah,
even with the cats. You see a lot of cats.
People have cats that the cats like, proliferate like. And
it's like, you know, when I rescue those three cat
which happened to be females of all things, as soon
as they were old enough up they went to get
spade like. Sure, and they were very by the way,

(46:20):
my when I went to Miami last two weeks ago.
They're still around there. Must they're both thirteen fourteen years old,
give or take. They're looking at them and Cali, they're
like coming up to me. What I'm saying is even
though they're like they're outside, mostly outside, but they've got
a porch and they've got Yeah, they're very happy. They're

(46:40):
they've you know, but I did the right thing, which
is to get them spade immediately.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
And you know, and I know you were talking about
some people that keep the cats, and it's like, man,
you know, I love kitten. This button's it's a problem.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
You know, you have to see the results of your actions.
You know.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Let me ask you something now that we talk about cats,
how is it communicating with cats? Because I know everybody
says cats cats are weird, like, but I love.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know, they're not weird at all. They're absolutely wonderful.
I know, animals are individuals, you know, obviously they're different,
species are different, but at the same time, you're talking
to a fellow bean. And so I mean, I have
three cats, so I absolutely love cats. And I've communicated

(47:28):
with thousands of cats and they're all unique beings who
are incredible helpers, incredibly wise beans that you can learn
a tremendous amount of from. So what can I say?

Speaker 1 (47:42):
You know, no, because everybody sometimes is you know, they
think all dogs dogs, but no cats are weird, and cats,
you know, just to walk away and don't pay attention,
and you know whatever. It's like, yeah, yeah, I resk
I have a she's around here somewhere. She'll pop up,
you know. I rescue the kitten. Back in October, we
were out in this country place in the middle of nowhere.
She fell out of somebody had parked one of those containers,

(48:03):
the eighteen wheeler containers, and I guess mama had her
in there. Mama had left the other kitd and she
came out. She was meowing and meowing. She had just
opened her eyes. And the guy who owned the land,
he goes, now, I don't worry about it. Mom will
come back any minute. And I'm looking. I went. I
climbed in there. I said, okay, maybe the litter is
in here and mom will come back. Nobody everybody was gone.

(48:26):
I said, you know what, she's gonna get picked off
because there was it was wildlife out there. So my
husband's looking at me like, here you go. It's like, yeah,
here I go. So yeah, motto fetter. I took her
because I said, you know what, even if mama's around,
if I leave her out here, she's she's gonna get
something's gonna eat her or whatever. So yeah, now he's

(48:48):
crazy about her. That's the thing. He's looking at me
like he's now, he's like, where's she? He calls her booboo,
where's boo boo?

Speaker 3 (48:54):
That's her stories of people who didn't know really anything
about cats, but they just had ideas about kid, Yes,
and then a cat adopts them.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, exactly, take them on hikes with.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Them, they travel around with them, They do all kinds
of things with them. You say the Internet, I never
the people will say I never knew. I never knew,
and of course they didn't. You have to have a
personal experience.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yes, Yes, it's really funny because it's like he's like
when he was looking at me, I remember with a cat,
and I'm looking he's looking at you can tell he's
looking at me with his arms fold. They're like, I
can tell you have all those signs. You're gonna take
that can And I was like but but you know,
and he's like and he's like, don't worry, their mom
will come back. And I'm like, but wait, I don't
see he goes and now he's like he's crazy about her.

(49:46):
He's like, you know, and she comes and sits on
his chair like I'm toping, you know. So yeah, they're
like again, you know, like you talk about with the
animals what your expectations are, and then you get pleasantly surprised.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
You kind of need to shift gear. And when you
look at all beings as fellow beans, yes, rather than
looking at their costumes. You know, it's just the same
thing with ideas about people. If you stop looking at
them as bodies and look at them as fellow beans,
then you communicate a heart to heart, soul to soul,

(50:18):
and you have a different relationship. So the same goes
with animals, whether they're an elephant or a dog or
a slug. You know, if you look at them as
a fellow bean, then you start to have a connection
and a relationship and you have some respect, and then
you can start to see your blinders come off, yeah,

(50:39):
and you start to see, oh my goodness, there's an
amazing being here and I'm going to learn from them.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Yes, yes, I think that a lot of people don't.
How's this, I'm going to say, a lot of times
I think people leave that in childhood. That's why when
I asked you, as you grew up, I think you
know kids, you know with animals, and then you did
grow open to become practical. How's that? And I'm not
saying anything wrong against being practical because on the contrary,

(51:06):
but they I don't know, they just don't they leave
that behind, you know, that thing about the animal connection
kind of deal and things like that. So yeah, it's
now you said also something very interesting that about connections
with plants or trees, you know, and it's not just
living things as in what we think of as living things.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
It's the Native Americans say, everything is alive. Everything communicates,
So you can communicate to trees, to mountains, two rivers,
to the clouds. When you start opening up, you'll find
that there's life everywhere, and it's the same life that's

(51:50):
in you, and it permeates everything and you can learn
from all beings and it's a wonderful place to be.
It's a place of inclusion. It's a place where you
never feel alone. There's always beings around who are doing

(52:11):
their part in the whole of life, and who also
can relate to you. They can't relate to you if
you don't relate to them. If you shut them out,
of course, they can't relate to you. But if you
open to them, you'll find Wow, there's a living being here,
there's life, and it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Have you ever had a situation, whether it's an animal
or just where you've gotten like a warning? How's that?
And I'm The way that I'm asking is that most
people sometimes they're blind to it about something.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
A warning from an animal?

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Are you an animal or maybe something?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah. When I travel, I like to do camping, and
I go to various places, and I often like to
camp in unusual places, not necessarily campgrounds, although now at
this stage of the game, I'm camping more than campgrounds.
But many times I'll be going along and I'll tell
you particular instance. I was going down this road was

(53:12):
somewhere in the mountains, I think it was in Idaho,
and I was going down this road and it was
starting to get dark, and I really needed to find
a place to camp. And I thought, well, this road
looks good. Maybe I can find a place here. There's
a river nearby. I'll pull in. And I immediately got
the message from spirit, No, not here, do not turn there.

(53:35):
Go half a mile up the road and turn right,
and I said, so I pulled back because I was
about to turn in. I pulled back. I went half
a mile up. It was by this time dark. I
pulled into this place that was like a U shape,
big driveway, and I couldn't see anything in the dark,

(53:56):
but I knew there was a river somewhere nearby and
there were trees around, so I just camped. I camp
in my at that time, I had a van. I
kempt in and in the morning I woke up. I
got out and there was this huge tree right nearby
and the river, and above me were eagles nesting. This

(54:19):
is where Spirit directed me to be. I looked up
and I went, oh, my gosh, there's eagles, eagles nesting here.
These were my my camp mates were eagles, and so
I went, yes, I've gotten warnings at other times in
my life don't go here, or this isn't safe all.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Right, and you never know why, but you just follow
it because you're like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
And you know if you don't follow it, you'll find
out why. And I'm not interested.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I always write exactly.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
You know.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
People say, well, it's just my imagination, you know that.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Lesson, Please, I've had enough experience in my life, and
plus I get such a good experience as like this.
This one where the spirit directed me to go to
this place where the eagles were, was totally quiet when
I when I went to sleep, it was totally quiet,
the stars were out, it looked beautiful. And when I
got up early in the morning, oh my gosh, eagles

(55:16):
above me.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Wow. Well, you know what people don't realize. I live
in a rural area. When you go to one of
these places when it's dark, it's dark, you can't you know, people,
you know, if you live in a city or town
where there's ambient lighting, you never realize how dark. Dark
is very dark.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
And that's why I always.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Right, So you're out there and there's nothing, Yeah, to get.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
A campy camp place while I still can see. But
by that time it was it was, it was dark.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Let me tell you, you're brave. Were you out there
by yourself?

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Well I know you were going to say yes dogs
with me, okay, but still still no.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
But I've done this all my life. Okay, I've usually
had dogs with me, and at that time it was
large dogs. But I've capt believe my small dogs too,
you know. I mean they'll take care of me too,
but not in the same way of course. But you know,
but no, for me, I feel very guided. I feel

(56:17):
very taken care of. I communicate with the trees, I
communicate with the land, I communicate with spirit, my own
spiritual guidance and follow it, and I feel very taken
care of. And so I always run into people who
just do the same. They take care of me. So
I mean I have fantastic experiences because I follow the
spiritual guidance right.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
And the reason why I ask you is that sometimes
people have these flashes of intuition or like you say, communication,
and they dismiss it as my imagination, you know, where
I'm just wigging out and like you know, it's getting dark,
so I'm telling myself this. You know, they don't pay
attention to it until something come happens, as like you know,
Bigfoot comes down snatches that or something. I'm just making

(56:59):
stuff up, you know what.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
It's true, And I have avoided situations and seen what
would happen had I been in those situations or I've
gone you know, where I'm traveling, and I go into
areas where I don't know if they're safe or not.
But I'm starting to feel really creepy, and spirit says
you need to go fifty miles further, keep going, even

(57:23):
though it's dark, fifty miles and you'll be okay.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
You know, So I just do it right, right, And
I'm glad you say that. You never stay to find out.
That's the thing, you know, when you dodge the bullet,
the very act of dodging it, you never find out
what the bullet was because I.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Feel it, you know, I feel it or I get
the picture of what it might be, and I really
don't hang around to find out the reality of it.
I mean, what's the point, you know, I'm guided to
really good experiences, So it's good.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Ask you something. Have you ever run across you know
how they say sometimes a dog or an animal will
send something about a person that the human doesn't. Have
you ever had one of your animals react to a
person not in a good way, I'm saying, yes, which
you're not aware of. What do you do in the
do you trust them or do you try to figure
out what is it about this person that.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
They just you know, I've had both experiences where the
animals have responded so positively. It was like right on,
including to a person who turned out to be a
marriage partner. You know, my dog just said and just
melted into him and I knew everything was okay. And
then there was another situation later on in my life

(58:37):
where I was with a person who it was more
about spiritual lessons, right, and I disregarded. I mean, there
were several reactions that my animals had and I just
kind of disregarded and even apologized for the animals. Yeah,
you know, because I was so in the middle of

(59:00):
this relationship, right, it was something I needed to go through,
but I had some hard lessons to learn from it
that my animal friends were trying to tell me, Hey,
you know, this might not be such a good.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Thing, right, right, And you only see that in hindsight
when you think now they were that way, But.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
A lot of times on the spiritual journey, well I
saw it at the time. But on the spiritual journey,
you need to go through those things, you know. I
needed to learn those things. I needed to learn about
the dark side of humanity and to face it better.
And so I look at it as yes, I was
also being taken care of, and yes, I also needed

(59:40):
to learn something difficult, and so it was all okay,
you know again, the pieces of the puzzle come together
sometimes later. And but I find that animals, Okay, there's
two sides. The animals can regard out of their feeling

(01:00:00):
and it's exactly on, and they can also react from
their trauma too, So you have to look at that.
So you have animals who are very traumatized. They're terrified
of people, so they don't react well to most people.
Some people they react better to. You're always happy when
that happens, because okay, there's some they feel safer, but

(01:00:22):
they don't feel safe. So you can't really you can't
really say, well, I'm going to follow the animals intuition. Well,
the animals intuition is kind of blocked at that point
because they've been abused and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
And you know what you're thinking, Okay, well, my dog
even traumatized, he's pretty okay with most people. But that
one person is the one that they're like, there's something
about that person.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Just look at that and take a look at that
for yourself, and you can you know, and then you
can also ask your dog if you communicate with them
and say what is it? What, what did you see?
What did you feel? And then you can find out
whether it's from their trauma that that person reminds them
of the person who used to kick them, or that

(01:01:03):
it's from well, they had an element in them that
was a little bit scary.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
That you should personality trait something about that person, not
the whole person, but there was maybe something they pick
up on exactly. Maybe you don't recognize that they're like, hmmm,
you remind me of somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
You can find out if you communicate with animals telepathically,
you can find out more about But again, some things
on our life journeys were not meant to know exactly
at that time. Were meant to learn something that is
sometimes difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Well, no, no, and I know sometimes you know, let's
face it, we all want to avoid pain.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
You know, as you go through life, you realize some things,
as unpleasant as they were at the moment, you look
back at them and you go, well, you know, I
learned a lot from that experience. Yeah, you know, you
realize that it's but you know heading into it, which
is I guess sometimes way it's better not to know
things because there's no way around it. For somebody that
wants to try to communicate with animals, what do you

(01:02:02):
suggest would be the first steps in getting on that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Well, in order to communicate, you need to be able
to listen, and people are often so busy in their
own minds they can't open up to listening. And the
telepathic senses are just like the physical senses, only they're
very fine tuned. So you can get from your animal.

(01:02:25):
You can get their messages, you can get images, you
can get what they're tasting, what they're smelling, all these things,
but not if you're real busy in your own mind.
So the first thing is to get quiet, spend time
with animals just being quiet and opening to them, listening

(01:02:46):
to them in an open way, and see what happens.
So explain all this in my book Animal Animal Talk,
and you can get it on my website Animal Talk
dot that. So people, there are ways to learn, and
that sort of gives you the foundations of how to learn,
how to get quiet, how to open to your senses.

(01:03:07):
What are telepathic senses. These are the things that once
you learn, people often say, well, I've done that. I
operated by knowing I know what was happening with my horse.
Oh I get it. I get pictures or I get it,
I get messages, or I get this, or I get that,
I get feelings. So people start to learn what it is, okay,

(01:03:31):
and then they start to recognize it in themselves. Then
they learn how to get quieter so you can be
receptive and listen. It's just like listening to people really,
because often people can't listen to people because they're so
busy in their own hands. Now they're thinking, what is
this person thinking about it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
I'm gonna you know, and I'm gonna blame this also
right there. We've been alive long enough to know that
there was a time period where we didn't have THEESEL around. Yeah. So,
and the reason why I say this is that this
as in this WULT phone has made us available twenty
four to seven like instant. You know, before somebody called

(01:04:09):
you yeah and it rang and they would call later
the next day. You know, it was like that twenty
four to seven access. I think as and this is
between yah, when you're talking about the distraction.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Creates a barrier to really opening and listening. You know,
we if we are always rushed and we always have
to feel we have to respond instantly, that isn't real
conducive to really fully listening to another being sure.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Absolutely absolutely, yeah, yeah, the the yeah, it's like and
I think it's like with everything else, it's just like
you need to quiet your mind. And I think a
lot of people have a problem quieting their mind because
they're either you know that to do list. Uh, while
they're doing this, they're already thinking what am I going

(01:04:59):
to do next five minutes later? Or you know, they've
got the to do list in their mind and they're
always on a treadmill of you know, and the quiet
thing is like, what do you mean it's quiet? Like
what am I going to put in there?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
Like like that's why they say. I think sometimes people
sometimes get the best ideas, like when they're taking a shower,
when they kind of empty up their mind, there's nothing
else you can do. You got to take the shower.
So sometimes this is when they actually get like aha moments,
because you'd be surprised when you quiet your mind, what
pops in there?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
You know, especially if you're something you know, like just
like you know, you know, I don't know about it.
But for me sometimes when I wake up in the morning,
usually it's all of a sudden, like something will thing,
you know, Like it's because my mind is quiet, like
all of a sudden that something is like, oh, where
I've been. I was thinking I need to find whatever,
you know, stuff that. Yeah, all of a sudden, I'll

(01:05:53):
wake up and I'll go or whatever. I had something
I was thinking about our question or something, and it's
like book Pop said, it was like, okay, because your
mind was quiet, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The So now
what do you have? You have three cats?

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I have three cats, a dog. I have a Sonoran
desert tortoise, and a flock of chickens. And when you
talked about your chickens at the beginning, I've had chickens
since the nineteen eighties. Okay, I absolutely love chickens. I
adore my chickens. They're very underrated. When people realize when

(01:06:28):
I have done the courses at my home because I
before the internet, I did everything in person, and the
people came they went, oh, I just didn't realize, you know,
because again they have ideas chickens are dumb, chickens are
chickens are to eat whatever, they're not really beans. And
then they meet my chickens or meat, any chickens, but

(01:06:49):
they meet them in a new way as fellow beans,
and they go, oh my gosh, this chicken is communicating
to me all about things I need to know. And
I'm going, yeah, you're listening now, and you don't have
these ideas in the way you have to. This is
another element of communication is setting aside those preconceptions so

(01:07:09):
you can actually meet it being fresh and see who
they are.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yes, yes, yes, they the animals like even like the
chickens and everything like that. Like you said, people have
this idea chickens and chickens like pea brain or something
like that, and no, they they find ways of communicating.
I mean, you know my animals. I have guinea fowl
out there and sometimes I'm like, you told me, he's

(01:07:35):
coming up because they're always getting into things they shouldn't.
You know. It's like my husband, I read something, goes,
what did you tackle? I'm talking to the whoever's there,
you know, whether it's the chickens. You don't have these conversations.
But loud ones. I think my neighbors, but I guess
everybody knows, you know, like or they see me. Sometimes
they'll fly. My guineas will fly with a fence, and
I got them. They were like a Mother's Day gift

(01:07:56):
when they were real chicks, so I brought them all up.
So I can't you know, I'm always worried about I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
With your intuitive ability and your connection with the spiritual realm,
that you have gotten a lot of communication from animals.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, yeah, but I mean, but still that doesn't stop
me from running around in boxer shorts like pajamas, because
all of a sudden, my husband will call me and goes,
there's a couple of guineas on the other side of
the fences, like because there's always there's always I tell them,
there's always some in the bunch. There's always tool that
are like dumb and dumber. So you'd see me and
my neighbors, like they'll pass by you because around here
it's very rude, and there's like that's not crazy lady
in the boxer shorts and the T shirt running after

(01:08:32):
going like this to the guineas, get inside, get inside,
you know, because I'm telling you, but yeah, you developed
this thing with your animals, and I know exactly what
you mean, even something like birds or and I mean
I have other birds there, I have pigeons, I have
but that, like you said, you know almost like you
know when humans communicate just by looking at each other,

(01:08:53):
like you said, when you know somebody well enough that
they look at you and you look at them and
they're like okay, You're like yeah, the same thing. I
think it happens with the animals, like once you realize
what's going on, the dialogue and it doesn't have to
be convoluted. And I even know I'll look at one
of my animals just like this. I look at them
and I go, oh, something's going on with you. You're

(01:09:13):
not feeling more something. It's just like and I've woken
up sometimes at two in the morning because i do
have some predators out here, and I've gotten up like awake, awake,
and you see me telling you. I have those little lanterns,
the ones that you put like with a like a

(01:09:34):
forehead lantern, and I'm trapesing out there at tw in
the morning because something's telling me somebody's around here, you know.
And I have also a relationship with an owl out here,
and you know it's like you know again, here's me, No,
get get out of here, because of course I've lost
a couple of I've lost chickens, you know, to have

(01:09:55):
big owls out here. But yeah, I'm definitely I know
exactly what that's about. And I think I think that's
really important what we were talking about, Penelope, because like
I said, so many people now are so close to
their animals because that they see them that it's like, Okay,
the next step is the communication part with them, and

(01:10:16):
they don't do it because they just don't think it's possible.
How's that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Yeah, exactly, And that's where you need to get past
these societal ideas about what is possible, because it enriches
your life so much to be able to communicate and
you grow together more. It opens up both of your
capacities to grow together, and your relationship just gets deeper

(01:10:43):
and expands. I mean, what could be better than that?

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
Yeah? Oh no, I'm telling you, Where's let me see,
where's Dixie? Dixie?

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Oh you? Oh no, everybody's like where did Dixie go?
You know, it's like you know your kids, when you
have certain children that like, oh, oh, I haven't seen
soone for oh my god. All right. You know it's
like you're like wait, you know, you're always like, oh
hey baby, come here. Yeah, they're all underneath here, and
everybody's like very quiet. God knows, I got to go

(01:11:13):
look for her. No, I don't believe it or not.
They do. They they this is their favorite room because
this is where I do my work. And in the
morning they think they all come over here and you're
so happy because this is like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
They're just helping you out. They're contributing your energy. You
can feel it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
Yeah, they do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
So your support crew, Oh yeah, no, you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Have no idea that support crew, my entourage, my entourage,
because it's like you know how the stars they walk around,
the celebrities and they got their entourage. Well, I've got
my own entourage. It's like one of those things. But no,
so I'm definitely we're on the same the same thing.
Do you have are you Are you going to be
working on any books or or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Well, I'm playing. I have a number of books I'm
working on. Okay, but they've been in that stage for while.
But right now I'm teaching with the Shift Network. And
I've been teaching. One course is a foundation course on
communication with animals that you can get the recordings of
and learn how to communicate from the beginning. It's a

(01:12:15):
very very good course. And then I'm also teaching a
professional course or for people who want to just enrich
their whole life, a certification program that's going to start
in September, and that's a big program goes on for
six months. But for people who want to just start,
we have a foundation course and then I also, of
course have my books and I have many other things

(01:12:39):
that are free to learn on YouTube, on my blogs.
I give people a lot of information on my website
animaltalk dot net. And there are a lot of ways
to start. And by starting, I mean to wake up
to what you already have and what's already within you
and how to develop it. You know, this isn't something

(01:13:01):
new to people. This is something that's been within you your
whole life, and people will start to recognize it, just
like you already know a lot about what your abilities are.
Well a lot of people when they recognize it, then
the abilities just expand. So that's what I'm interested in,
is the world gets better, everybody gets happier when we

(01:13:24):
expand in our heart to heart, soul to soul connections,
and this is this is a beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Absolutely, Thank you so much. Has been wonderful to speak
to you, Penelope God. I want to wish you the
best of luck. And again I'll put a link to
your to your website and the credits of the show
and if you could repeat it for my podcast listeners.
What's your website address?

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Animal talk dot net.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
Animal talk dot net. Perfect. Thank you so much and
take care.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Thank you, bye bye.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
You can tell animal lovers of the world unite. Yes,
that's me. Can you tell you know how people get
about their grandchildren? That's like me. No, I have grandchildren.
I love my grandchildren, believe me. But you know your
animals they how's this you? I mean they when you

(01:14:25):
really care for an animal, you know, sometimes you end
up worrying about them because you want to take care
of them. And I hate to say it nowadays, especially
like and I'm just gonna go with a dog. I'm
not even gonna go into the realm of livestock or
other animals just to take care of them. The vets
it's prohibitive, you know how much And I think I

(01:14:47):
know of people that have said, hey, I would get
another animal, another cat, another dog, another and they'll say,
but man, I can't afford to get this other animal
because sometimes, you know, forget just even because nowadays they
have a lot of places clinics that you could take
them to for like standard stuff, you know, when they

(01:15:09):
get their raby shot, or you know, when they're young
and they get their series of you know, distempers or
whatever whatever is pertinent to that breed or that animal type.
But god forbid, if you ever have an emergency, something
happens to your animal, and it could be like, oh,
you know, it's it's incredibly expensive. It doesn't have to

(01:15:32):
and by the way, it doesn't even have to be
that complicated. It does not have to be that complicated.
And sometimes I'll give you an example. Many years ago,
my husband rescued a rock wiler, all right, full grown rockwhiler, Teddy,
that's his name, and about he wasn't it was maybe

(01:15:56):
three four years old when it got him. Okay, And
you know what, the rescue group was a very small
animal rescue group who had him, and they had said, well,
we'll send you the the medical is medical records. I said, okay, perfect.
They brought him over for test one like on a weekend.

(01:16:16):
Everything was fine, and I kept asking, hey, send me
the medicals so that I could give it to urvet.
You know that way there's a history on this animal.
I never got it from them. Have you had em
for anybody? Unless you're going to the to the local
animal control or something. Always get if there's a record,

(01:16:39):
especially if it's an animal and adult animals. See, we
could get the medical records. Sure enough. About a year
and a half later, he develops. We realized he's got
this bulge like on his right side, like behind his
front leg, and it's growing, you know, and you know,
I guess it had been there a while. It's just
that they are big dogs. They're husky dogs, so it

(01:17:03):
wasn't that noticeable by the time. The bottom line, make
a long story short, we took him to the vet.
The vet says, hey, you know, he's got some type
of growth in there. You know. The surgeon costs us
a bit of money, and I'm being kind, very kind,
And they pulled out a mask that was here on
his side, and the surgeon told us, oh no, we

(01:17:23):
got everything out. It was like a big thing. So
sure enough, I was like, okay, well it was it
was prohibitive, but okay, you know what, he didn't live
like maybe a year in other words, he you know,
he just he didn't. It didn't go back, but he
just got starting getting skinnier and skinnier. And we were

(01:17:45):
like we were at our wits end, and we took
him to the vet. We were you know, like food
anything that he and he you know, he ended up
dying like within a year. So at that time, maybe
he was maybe five years six years, which is for
that's even for a rock wider. That's still by point
being that what I was originally getting to that a
lot of people get scared because if their animal ever
gets sick, which can happen to any animal, you know,

(01:18:10):
the vet build can deep six you and then your
face with a dilemma like what if I can't treat
my animal? You know, same thing around here. A lot
of people have horses. There's a lot of people sometimes
to rescue horses. I wish I could do it, but
you know what stops me the cost of keeping the animal,

(01:18:34):
even with just what they call it like a normal
veterinary attention I'm not talking anything extraordinary or medical, just
to keep you know, have them looked at by a vet.
It's like, no, I can't do that. And I've had
several people like, hey, because I've got I've got land,
you would be great, you would you know, It's like, no,
I wish I could. And just getting back to what

(01:18:57):
Penelope was talking about, and this is coming from a
I want to rescue the world of animal person that
you realize you can't rescue them all, and you've got
to be responsible about the animals that you do have
or that you're going to rescue. You know that it's
not beyond your means, all right, or you're you know

(01:19:19):
where you live. But in other words, it's as much
as you want to have a kind heart, you got
to be realistic about where I live, Like she said,
if you live in an apartment, or how much money
can I spend on this animal? Or if I've got
I've only got, you know enough to like take your
one animal or two, but maybe three is going to

(01:19:41):
max me out. You got to be really realistic about
things like this because you know, and nowadays, how's this
even now even with the food and I'm going to
give you my own story of this. You know, you know,
once upon a time there was just dog food period,

(01:20:03):
dog food, dug foodg Nowadays you know there's this kind
of food with this thing, and then the live dog
food and the dead dog food because if it's dry,
it's not this and it's not that, and you know,
I'll be perfectly right now. You know, I give my
dogs grain free food, you know, not the most expensive.
But I have a friend of mine, she tells me,

(01:20:23):
you know what, when I was growing, we had two
Dobermants and my mom fed them the deepest dog food
that they had on the grocery shelves at both dogs
up to like seventeen years old, which for Dobermants is
pretty long. So you know, some of this sometimes you
get caught up with the premium dog food thing, like,
oh if I don't feed my animal again, I'm using
dogs as an example, it could be anything, but now

(01:20:45):
you go to shelves and for all the different animals,
just the uh you know, end of the totem pole
food versus the premium stuff. Like it's like, I don't
even buy stuff that's expensive for myself, and you know,
you kind of feel like oh my god. You know,
if I can't feed my animal this sometimes I think
that it's just like kids. You know, if you take

(01:21:07):
good care of them and you love them and show
them affection and you protect them, yeah, they'll be okay,
they'll be okay. You know, you don't have to feed
them the most expensive food or get them the most
expensive whatever. The same thing. You know. We have the cat,
you know, and uh, she's she's she plays with empty boxes.

(01:21:30):
I receive something that's shipped, and you know, and I'll
open up a box and you see he just playing
in the box. And sometimes, you know, I've gone to
the stores and they have all these little cat toys
and I mean these my dogs. They have won the bubba.
He's into his woobies. But even then I buy them
at a discount because he leaves them in the yard.
And you know what, And my point being, people sometimes
spend a boatload of money on little toys and stuff

(01:21:53):
for the animals, and they behave just like children. They
play with the empty box and a wrapper. You just
spend ten or fifteen or twenty bus set a toy
or something, and it's like again a lot of these
things sometimes that we're engineered through through consumerism, like oh
you need this, especially when it comes to animals, and

(01:22:13):
we're caught up with our animals and we want to
take care of our animals and we want to the
best for our animals. Ah. You know if that's stopping
you like saying, well, you know what if I didn't
spend X amount of money on this all this extra stuff,
could I have another animal? Yeah? Let's say if you're
looking at it from a budget thing, you know, how
much is this going to cost me or not cost me?

(01:22:35):
Sometimes keeping it simple, like I said, you know, you
keep an animal safe and warm and dry, and you
give food, you get water, you give them love, you
give them attention. Blah blah blah blahah. Let me tell
you something. Your animal will be fine. Their animal will
be fine. They have no idea sometimes that whether what
you're getting them is the uh you know, the brand name,

(01:22:56):
whatever the brand name or whatever product it is. There
were old matter. I don't know about that. They don't
know about brand names. Yeah, so yes, you can tell I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
As a matter of fact, let me see if I
can find the this is a Let me see if
I can find one of my I'm gonna I had
one with when I had a bald eagle and some
turkey buzzards fighting over an animal. God. I think it
was a raccoon that got hit on the road. And

(01:23:29):
it's really funny because there's a bunch, I mean, there
must have been a dozen of the turkey vultures and
they nobody can lift up. I think it was a raccoon.
It was like even the eagle could lift it and
take it. So here's this one bald eagle and he's
surrounded by like a dozen turkey buzzards and he's like,

(01:23:50):
I'm not leaving, and they're like yeah, but you're out numbered.
It's like, I'm not leaving, and like everybody's like around this,
uh you know, this corps is you know, and it's
like okay, and he's like, you know, he's like, you know,
the white head and he's standing there in the middle
of all these turkey buzzards and they're all around him
and you could tell, and it's like and I was like, okay,
you guys, you know, and then you know, and by

(01:24:10):
the way, I feel bad, But that's that's the way
things go. As a matter of fact, for the turkey
vultures around here. That's what they're good at. They are scavengers.
They take care of making sure that all these animals
that die, you know, either get him by or just

(01:24:31):
they just die. You know. They they clean. They're the cleaners.
They are the cleaners. So let me see if I
can find uh, let me see. Let me see if
I can find my uh. Okay, I'm gonna give you.
This is my uh this is something. Let me see
if I can get this going. Hold on, let me see.

(01:25:01):
Hold on a minute, hold on, hold on as low
the rule, hold on it. Let me see. This is uh,
this is me getting all my all my uh my pack. Okay,
hold on, let's see where here we go? Here we go?

(01:25:24):
All right, here we go? All right? Who yeah that's me.

(01:25:56):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I take them to do when I
take the trash out, They going to ride with me. Yeah,

(01:26:31):
here we go, as you can tell see. Yes, that is, yes,
that is that's like I'm kidding you. I I I
believe me so yeah. So yeah, with the animals. That's

(01:26:57):
why I understand so well. With Penelo. He was talking
about as far as uh, I've got enough therapy that's
coming out my ears. But no, but no, all kidding aside.
You know, I know that normally you know people, how's this. Yeah,
you see people with therapy dogs or therapy whatever it is,

(01:27:19):
you know, with them in the stores. But I guess
my point is they've always been around, you just didn't
take them to the stores or to the restaurants with you.
But I think animals have provided therapy different animals. I'm
not talking here just to do people always and they
just weren't called that. They did, they weren't called that.
But I think people have always had that with their animals.

(01:27:42):
And the truth was, you know, it's like, hey, back
then or before maybe the last few years, you just
didn't go anywhere everywhere with your dog or your cat,
or your alligator or your pig or your you're the dragon.
Because nowadays any everything, anything and everything is eight therapy animal.

(01:28:03):
I'll tell you what. The one time I was visiting
New York and I went to eat at a Vietnamese
restaurant right across from Central Park, and I had my
little apple, hadchi Wa. She passed away already quickly, and
I had her on a carrier. She went all over
the United States with me, Washington, everywhere, and you know,
I had like this little it looked like a purse really,

(01:28:26):
but she was very small. And it was so funny
because we sat there and I was like, okay, and
I put her on. She was smart little thing. She'd
just be quiet, and it was it was like the
mid middle of the day, like lunch was going on,
and there was a restaurant they served us and I
would get food and then I'd get a little piece
of meat and I'm like putting it down to the side,

(01:28:47):
you know, I put the purse over, hung it on
the back of the chair like nobody could see it,
and I would like give her a little piece of meat.
Didn't make a sound like she knew you. I keep
a little profile. I can stay here and I'm getting
fed pieces of me. So yeah, she went to the
and I'm telling you, they would not have. They would
not have if I said, how could I bring my

(01:29:07):
dog in the air. They was said, no, you can't.
But yeah, and of course she was very small. She
was fitting that carrier that I had on mic. But yeah,
I took her all over the place with me, all
over the place. I'm in front of the Lincoln Memorial
and here's my dog. I'm in front of the White
House and here's my dog. I'm in the Central Park
and I'm here with my dog. So yeah, I do
them stuff like that. So anyway, guys, I hope you

(01:29:30):
like to show with Penelope I I, like I said,
I'll put a link to her website on the credit
to the show. Check it out. You could tell she's
been doing this for a really long time. Let me
tell you she's a brave lady. I love the camp.
But that thing about going off by myself, I don't know.
I don't know. Maybe maybe I've seen too many of
these people disappear in National Park and I'm like, what, No,

(01:29:53):
I'm very respectful, like of nature. How's that? You know?
Very respectful? Like I said, I back in the eighties,
I went to one time to Yellowstone and we were
staying in a cabin. But I had we had I
had looked at the possibilities of staying in a tent,
you know, because they had different areas of the park,

(01:30:14):
right And of course, you know, it was during the summer.
It was June like, because otherwise you can't it's too cold.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
They were always talking about, you know, the precautions that
we're going to stay in a tent or were going
to stay some type of a covered thing that with
the animals and this and that that and they were
and the just so happens right before we go into
the park. We stopped it like a gift shop. They
call themselves a trading post. And we're talking with the
people and they're saying, well, oh yeah, and I said, oh,

(01:30:46):
the bears and they go, oh yeah. They fly the
bears away like out of the area where the tours star.
But every once in a while, every like just about
every summer date, somehow they come back and you hear
about stuff happening. Okay, well that was like a story. Whatever,
we get in, we put our stuff away, We're gonna
take a hike. By the way, I'm carrying my daughter
on my back, she's like six months old. And I

(01:31:09):
see this, oh, like a watch tower, and I tell
my husband, Hey, let's go over there. Let's let's we'll
take turns. You go up and then and we're going
down this trail and I'm looking down and I see
something waving like reddish waving like that. It's like, what
is that? Well, suddenly, you know, like when you're you're

(01:31:30):
you start trying to make make that happen, like like, okay,
how do I Then I take a really good look
at and it's a grizzly bear that's scratching itself and
that's what I'm seeing, this reddish hair for whatever it was,
because it's longer waving, its scratching itself. I was like,
what I'm telling about them? Back up, back up, back up,
back up. You know, we just got here, sure enough,

(01:31:52):
here's a grizzly down this trail, like okay. My point
being that after that experience, you know, and and also
seem like full of bison that they're huge. They were
as big as my mini van my but back then
it was like the sh little Chevy vans. It was
like you never, I'm telling you, you never understand how
big these animals are. So you see them up close,

(01:32:14):
then you're like, what I guess. My point being, she's
brave because I'm very respectful of nature. And when you're
out in the wild and by yourself, it's like, man,
hats off to you, lady, Hats off to you, lady.
So yeah, I've gone camping, but it's like, yeah, like
three doors down from you know, they have, you know,
maybe somebody from the campground or they have somebody from

(01:32:38):
the fish and wildlife that you know they have a
place there. Yeah. I'm kind of like a coward that way.
So anyway, guys, I hope you like this show. I've
got a lot of interesting guests coming back and new
one's coming on. Go to miamigos Chronicles dot com. Come
to mppelaster dot com. You'll find links to everything. You
can sign up for my newsletter. You find links to
the videos, to the podcast, to every on there. Okay,

(01:33:02):
so please thank you again for coming and spending this
time with me. I hope you'll like this interview with
Panonellope Smith and I will be back so with a
lot more interesting guests. Till next time, Take care,

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