Encounters with the Unknown | Interview with Diego the Podcaster | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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I think you are all wonderful. So how's everybody doing good?
I hope. Okay, I'm not going to do the weather
report this week. I'm gonna go into something change in time,

(01:32):
daylight savings time, which, by the way, I'm sure everybody's heard,
as a matter of fact, they've been talking about it
for a couple of years that they're gonna do away
with the daylight savings time. But that's beside the point,
you know, And you don't realize how much you pay
attention to the to that until you walk around and
you're like, wait a minute, it's wait a minute, it's
it's what time is it? You know, because now, of
course it gets darker later. So I've spent like this

(01:54):
week because it well maybe basically five days doing that.
You know, I've got to want it everything. But I'm
telling you, there's a lot of cues that we take
from our surrounding, including daylight, you know, sun that, and
I've been like, all of a sudden, it's like, whoa
wait a minute, you know, I think is daylight? It's
actually later that kind of crap, you know, that kind
of thing, or like I'll get up and it's like, man,

(02:16):
it's dark outside. What happened? It's like wait, so yeah,
that's that's one of those things, you know, if we
can get into it as part of your circadian rhythm
and things like that, But yeah, that's my uh my,
like you know, the misstep like no, no, I'm not
gonna go outside, but wait a minute's already seven and
it's still dark, and that kind of stuff. But yeah,

(02:36):
it kind of like it's a crazy kind of thing,
how much, you know, because everybody thinks that we pay
attention only to this as in the phone, but believe
it or not, there's a lot of stuff that we
take in from our surroundings. That and as a matter
of fact, if you hear all this crazy noise in
the background, that's my exotic birds, which I still haven't

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taken out into the screen porch. That becomes us. It's
still very even though it's the evening, we still have daylight.
They're carrying on this great conversation and hopefully it won't
come out, but if it is they, that's them, that's them.
Because as far as they're concerned. It's uh, you know,
they're chattering. They're chattering up a storm, but there we go.

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But outside of that, everything has been pretty calm, which
is good. Like I always say before, doll sometimes is good.
You know, doll is good. I'm going to repeat my
Lewis Lamore quote, which is adventure is a romantic name
for trouble, all right, And I know it depends, but yeah,
there's times where I could take, like, you know what,

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not doing anything, nothing but things like that. It's like, man,
nothing's happening. That's a good thing. And then you get
bored and you move on to other things. But yeah,
people ask me how things with the I do that
search and rescue work. Luckily, we haven't had anything out
here as far as imminent stuff, so we're working more on,

(04:07):
how can I say, sometimes searching for a cold cases
if you want to, you know, people that have not
been recovered that have disappeared in this area of where
I'm at in central North Florida. And let's face it,
you know, law enforcement will only look for so long
even if they suspect us fought play involved. So this

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is where sometimes groups like ours steps in and we
keep on looking and you know we've got and let's say,
for example, out here, there's a lot of acreage of
forest land where you can't go in there with a vehicle,
so you know, we have horses, horse horse units and
also dogs of course. Yeah, it's very very interesting. So

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if you ever, if you do have some type of
family member or anything like that that falls into that
category where you know, maybe foul play suspected. But I've
never found the person, shoot me an email, okay, and
I'll take it over to the person that organizes everything
and maybe they can do something with it, because sometimes

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you know, things are people are found one way or
the other. It's just with a little bit more effort,
more time. So there we go. But let's get onto
the good part. The good part is who is the
guest today is the first time he's hearing stories of
the supernatural. His name is Diego the podcaster. He's a
former sports entertainer and now the host of Let's find

(05:35):
Out with Diego and Bonus Overdrive. Wednesday, he transited into
paranormal organically with otherworldly experiences, which will be asking him
about shaping his perspective from a very young age and
persisting throughout his entire life. Late in twenty twenty two,
he boldly launched his own brand, Let's find Out with Diego.
This venture isn't just a podcast. It's a quest to

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find answers to the profound mysteries of the universe and
a deep dive into the haunting activities woven through the
fabric of his existence, with other worldly experience, shaping his
perspective from an early age and persisting throughout his life.
Let's find Out way Diego was predetermined by the universe
to have a voice. All right, help me welcome him.

(06:18):
How are you doing today, Diego.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
I'm doing great. Yeah, there we go. I did it again.
I'm doing no.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
I know. I do that sometimes because it's like, you know,
like I said, sometimes you want to sneeze, cough, or
you're saying something. It's like, I don't want this. So
I have to ask, what are those early experiences that
eventually led you into this field?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
My goodness, you know, it's it's one of those things
that later in life you start really recollect remembering, recollecting
these stories. And when I was a kid, you don't
really think in the parent normal terms, at least when
I was because it started when I was two or
three years old, Okay, back when I lived in Porto Rico,
Go and before I moved here in nineteen nineteen eighty

(07:02):
in DC area. And it's one of those things to
where you really didn't talk about it as much, but
you knew what was going on and at that age.
And I can only speak for myself, I'm sure there's
a lot smarter kids than I am that. Like I said,
you don't really think paranormal or supernatural. You think it's
just part of your life, right, And with that is

(07:26):
it was. It was interesting about the whole thing is
that most of these things only really happened on my
mother's side of the family, not on my dad's side
of the family. So and also I don't want to
sound sexist. I don't mean to be sound sexist. I
don't care, but it was only talking about my mother's

(07:47):
side of the family. But it's the women that had
the abilities or were able to have these types of
experiences as far as I know, and I'm put pretty
much one hundred percent think I'm right. I'm the only
guy on my mother's side of the family who had
any kind of experiences. I have zero abilities I don't
have anything like that. But throughout my life, and it's

(08:11):
not every day or every week. But since I was
three up until even now the half century mark, things
have been happening, and even more now as an adult,
especially in the house I moved in here in West Virginia.
But it's very interesting. And then one day I got
this crazy idea to write a book. I've never written
a book. I was a terrible student in high school

(08:34):
and English and writing was my worst subject, which should
be my best subject.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Right, but grammar is boring, let's face it.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
But anyway, go ahead, Yeah, grammar is terrible. You know.
Autocorrect saved my life. And my wife she kind of
looked through everything because without her, none of this will
be possible. Let me put that out there, and so
I'll get I'm sorry, I I'll get on a tangent.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
So I keep going.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Decided to write the book. It's a short book because
I just wanted to put my experiences in what happened
and not in A friend of mine says, I didn't
put a lot of fluff in this book. I put
out here's what happened, here's when it happened, and I
give a little general description of the time period when
it happened.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Okay, so with.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
The seventies was a it was a great decade. I
was born in mid seventies. I'm an eighties baby, you know,
the long hair, heavy metal guy and then still am
but no long hair most of all now. And so
during that time, what I remember is I'll go with
the first story in a book, not to give too
much away, but it was right about late seventies. So

(09:42):
I can remember that those nights, but one particular night,
and I don't know if much people know about You
might know about this, Uh go ahead, three Kings Day, right.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Which is Epiphany, seventh of January.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yes, And during that time I only remember because as
it was, it was a really it's a really big
thing in the island. It's almost like having the second Christmas.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
But you only get one gift, and.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
You know, if you want to be you don't want
to be greedy, you get one. I mean they only
have time to get one gift. So and then you
go out there and we live in these apartments and
there was a field in the back and you got
to go out there and collect grass or hey, if
you can find it, put in a shoe box, and
you would either put it under your bed or around

(10:29):
the house somewhere. So one night, one of several nights,
in one particular night, it was lights out, lights out,
and I, like I said, the book is called I
remember the Crib specifically because I remember seeing these figures
through the bars of the crib. And I don't know

(10:50):
how they make cribs now, but back then they were
pretty big, and it was about the size of I'm
gonna say, like a I want to say a single
but half of it. And I was I was a
little kid, and the bars for me were might as
well have been thirteen feet high in the walls. It's
you know. And then one night I used to sneak
out a lot climb over there like a little kid,
thinking I was getting away with a lot of things.

(11:12):
And you really don't. Mom knows everything, you know, the
sandals not too far away. She has great aim. And
I remember this one particular night because it was so interesting,
not as much terrifying, because I didn't feel fear, but

(11:33):
it was more like, I don't know how to explain
that feeling. But when I was looking out in the
hallway late at night and I never slept with the
door shut. That wasn't really my thing. I like, there's
no ac so you gotta live the air in the
whole house. And I started hearing the sounds of what

(11:54):
would have been like like a large crowd, and there's
no large crowds. There's no parties going on. Light lived
on the tenth floor condominium and it was a pretty
quiet neighborhood. The only thing you heard there was in
little frogs right at night. It's kind of like in
America hear crickets over there, hear these little coquis of
frogs right yeah. And I like them. I like the

(12:15):
sound of them, and they helped me fall asleep. So
one night I started hearing this crowd. I couldn't determine
what they were saying, but I know that they were
very lively. I can't determine the language. I just heard
a lot of loud murmurs. But looking down the hallway,

(12:38):
I start seeing outlines of people, and these outlines it
was almost like they were walking in a like a
And it's something I didn't put in a book of detail.
And now, being a first time book writers like dog
on it. Whyted I putting that in there. It was
almost like these people were walking down in a parade
style or in a single file line.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
In your hallway, in the hallway, okay.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
And they never turned their attention towards me. It was
just like they were just coming and going in the hallway,
right and what seemed to be all night, but through
reality it might only been a few minutes or an hour,
I don't know, okay. And they just kept passing on
and you can see them. It was almost like a

(13:25):
side view, but you can see the the shape of
the heads up to the shoulder line, and then everything
kind of just blended in.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Okay, Well, let me ask something. Were they were they?
How's this? Even though I know what you're could only
really like the upper body was more visible than the
lower body. Were they semi transparent or were they more
substantial or.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
No? And that's it's a great question. It was basically
just a a sharper image of a shadows.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Like a snout line kind of like yeah, okay, And.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
There was no it was one dimensional, and it wasn't
like there was a smoke or any real footsteps or noise.
It was just these shadow things going throughout And I
remember that, Oh my goodness, what is this in my apartment?
So I said, little kid, I climbed over the crib
and I closed the door. You're like, that'll show them,

(14:23):
you know, And and then hide under the blankets, which
is always everybody knows the force, feel like, it's all.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
Everybody knows that, even adults, you know. I'll stick bring
sure what make sure my feet are under the covers,
and then the head that's.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
It, yep, make sure your feet don't dangle on the corners.
So so I did that, and what happened was there
was a the hallway got a little bit, just a
slightly brighter, but I can see the feet of the
shadows walking by, and I didn't know what to do that.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And you know what's really funny because a lot of people,
children and adults described that where they've seen like like
you said, don't hear and sometimes see, but hear like
the murmur of voices, but you can never exactly make
out what they're saying. Okay, it's like a murmur, you know,
like but it's it's and it's really weird how it's similar.

(15:22):
People will describe that like yeah, I heard somebody talking
or laughing, or sometimes even like a party, but you
can't exactly make out what the conversation is about. And
so what happened was that the one time thing? Or
did you ever have that experience again?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Well, in that apartment, it was happened a few times.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Oh okay, okay, And.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
After a why I even boy the closing the door
because to me, it's like, is this going to happen?

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Right?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
And it didn't really bother me, but that stuck in
my mind now almost forty some years later, and I
never really talked about it with anybody, And it wasn't
up until the book came out and my mom actually
read the books, I didn't know this was happening.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, wow, So you were the only one that was
having this experience then? And yes, interesting? Interesting, And that's
the thing like that, It's you're thinking, okay, I'm living
in a tent and I don't know how many floors,
but in a condominium building, you know, what is this,
you know, parade of people and it's you're thinking, okay,

(16:23):
either because it sounds are you were you a budding
psychic medium? Or was there something in that place in
that land or something or maybe something that was the apartment?
Who knows did they ever go in your room or
did they always stay in the hallway?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
They always stayed in the hallway, very respectful, thankfully. And
with these apartment bill is we're on the tenth floor. Right,
Normally I in homes have ever been where I've it's
been some sort of experience. So it even been like
a rambler style at most two level house. Right, I

(17:00):
never I would have never thought, And now I know
better because this is the concept of my podcast, Let's
find out, because I learned so much from the guests,
not only through the interviews, but mostly on the pre
and post interviews. Right, that's when the real knowledge, just
when the real download hits. And and a bit is
a bit of a selfish podcast because I'm doing it

(17:21):
to learn things about what's going on throughout my life,
but to also make sense of everybody else what's happening
and the stories they bring.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
So yeah, of course that but you know what that's
that's in this field. You know, it's like be were
the person that says that they know everything about a subject.
That's like, usually that's not accurate. So what happened up
to what age did you? Did you live here at
that at that condo.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
That was probably up until see I want to say
seventy eight.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Okay, So you were there, okay, and then after you
moved out, did you ever have other experiences?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I did several.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
It was you. It was you. I was just kidding.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It seems are there's something in the bloodline on my
mom's side of the family. I don't know, it's very possible.
So what happened shortly after that? My mother she moved
to the States because she had she got a job,
so she left with my grandma for a little while, okay,
and Grandma's house, Grandma's apartment. She don't lived on the

(18:24):
third floor, okay, But surprise things happened in that neighborhood
as well.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Oh oh, oh, there you go.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Let me ask you just out of curiosity, and you
might not have known this. How old was that building?
Had it been erected for a long time or you
don't know at this point?

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Okay, Oh, so the one I was living at in
the apartment of tenth floor, I don't know much about it.
It seems like this has been there for a long time, right,
And all I remember is there was two neighborhoods and
it was like there was a iron because everything iron
gates all over the place, right, the windows and doors

(19:07):
right right, excuse me, that's how that goes. And then
there was another set of buildings across the street and
everything was separated with like an iron bars, like a
like a.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Wall, right, like the grill work and all that.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
I know what, you're very beautiful, you know, and iron works. Yeah, yeah,
you don't get that much here in the States.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
I know what you're talking about. It's like decorative. It's
not just like it's yeah, it's decorative also, but it
serves a purpose also of like like over the windows
and things like that.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
But yeah, yeah, And what I remember is across the
parking lot there was a large field and that was
not developed. There was no houses there or nothing. Okay,
a lot of large overgrowth. I don't know the history
of that land, unfortunately. Actually I don't know much of
the history of the island because once I came here,

(19:56):
I kind of divorced myself. Not from the culture.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
No, I know you're saying now, when you're a kid,
you're like, I'll pay attention to those things. It's like
I'm just asking sometimes, like I said, sometimes people, you know,
pull their hair out when they have a weird something
going on in a building or a location and they
think it's something that happened, and I said, you know,
it might predate, it might be something that happened on
the land. But sometimes it's a real, real difficult thing

(20:22):
to verify one way or the other, especially when you're
a kid. When you're a kid, like you said, you're
thinking about other things, you know, like you're going to stride. Hey,
there's I've got a people walking up and down my hallway. Yeah,
it's like, all right, you just left your door open,
so there you go.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, because you know it's one of those things and
you hit it right there. When you're a kid, you
kind of you're a little more accepting of things. Yes,
you might not question it as much because it seems
like it's normal. It's not until we start growing old,
or we start developing our own ideas or maybe influenced
by other people's opinions that things kind of change a
little bit. Yes, Yes, so it's almost would be great

(21:03):
if we could go back to that age and I'll know,
maybe our brains are different where we can receive better.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah. No, I've talked to plenty of people that have
like that's which is why I asked your childhood experiences.
And when they had them, they're very accepting of it, especially,
you know, they're like, oh, and some of them even think,
doesn't everybody see like the ghosts or you know, they
kind of sometimes assume everybody else sees the same thing
as they do, and later on they find out, no,

(21:32):
not everybody does. Like what would you just said that
your mom had no idea that you're seeing this and
what she so obviously she never told you she had
her own experiences, right.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
No, I did. In fact, it wasn't even until I'm
going to say around two thousand and one or two.
She lived in his house, Manassa's are Woodbridge area in Virginia, guess,
in northern Virginia area, just outside of DC, about thirty
minutes okay, and that house was always very active. And
now I didn't live lear that long, but she would

(22:05):
tell me the stories of the old man that lived there, okay,
and it was interesting. That's where I I've also because
I moved in there for a little whilecause I was
trying to transition from you know, a young man is
stay going broke going back to moms for a little bit.
My mom, I'm sorry, I messed up. She goes, okay,
but you know, we'll stay here too long. We'll define

(22:27):
too long. Right. But no, if it were up to
my mom, I stay in that house forever.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
I know, I know, so believe me. I know. But yeah,
but let me tell you something. So let me ask
you was something going on in that house that you
said that was a monassis? Did she did she have?
Was it an older house or did she? Did you
when you went there, did you start seeing or experiencing things?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yes? On the second, And that's one of the things
I do you talk about that on the in the book.
Now that that was a new development of that time.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Okay, And.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
There was a lot of forests, you know, you see
have a lot of wildlife in the area. And Virginia
is known for a lot of things. But certain counties
all they do is develop, developed, developm If it's not
a data center, it's new homes. Of that new homes,
it's new townhouses. And there's gotta be something to that,
to where you're encroaching on land that may not have

(23:33):
needed to be leveled and to build. So I'm pretty
sure with the history that type of well, the haunted
history of Virginia in itself, not only with Civil War,
but there's you know, there's a lot of signings of
cryptis in Virginia, from bigfoot to were wolves and their
own folklore. There had to have been some sort of
disturbance that in that new development to have these things.

(23:55):
I don't know about the neighbors, but I know that
house definitely because I experienced it and I saw it.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
How about your mom did she ever? Did she have
experiences or was it just you that Well, let me
ask you, what's this? What kind of experiences did you have?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
No? I'm glad you asked, because now that the perfect
image of that being is in my mind, I'll never
forget it. And I did my best to recreate it
in the book as I used a little AI program
to generate a drawing okay, because I can't draw but
a stick figure. You know, my daughters, she's the artist
of the family. Me not so much, right, mm hmm.

(24:35):
And So there was one night, I'm gonna say, I'm
gonna guess it about two thousand and two when I
moved in, and at that point my girlfriend moved in
for a little while because we were to get an apartment,
so we were staying in my room. It's a small bed,
and for two people to sit in a twin bed,
you know, it's not the yeah, you know. And she

(24:56):
was a lot taller than I am, and it's just legs,
arms everywhere, So it was easy. So the reason I
mentioned that is because it's easy. If I were to
turned left or right, she would have wake up the
same thing. So this one night, I feel this feeling
of dread coming over me, extremely dehydrated, and I wake up.

(25:25):
I could not move. The only thing I could move
was my eyes, maybe my head a little bit, okay.
And that's the first time. And I later learned down
in life, As I say, we're learning all the time,
that was my first experience with sleep paralysis.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Slee paralysis exactly, or old Hag syndrome.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
You know, it's very terrifying. And I'm not I'm not
afraid to admit, you know. You know, I'm a tough
guy with a lot of things, but things like that, Nah,
you're not. So everybody's the same, everybody's.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Equal, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
And so this night dark as can be, but I
could still see this thing floating. It was towards between
my ankles and shin, towards the foot of the bed.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Oh bright, here we go right over me?

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Is this thing is shaped like a like a miniature tornado. Right,
it is smoke and it's doing this thing. You can
see as it was black on black. The eyes were black,
the body was smoky black, and it had these long
arms which fits like this, but there were almost the
size of malice, huge things. Right. So as I'm looking up,

(26:38):
I can't even speak because I'm drooling. I'm speaking nonsense.
And the next thing I know, it takes us to
arms and just goes down like this. The breath and
ostrich out of my body just comes out. And if
anybody ever experienced falling backwards and not prepared for it,
it's the same when you when you the breath gets
knocked out of you.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yes, but this is.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Continually one, two, three, four, And I'm moving, I'm and
I managed to tilt my head to my back. Then
my girlfriend X now and I'm trying to get help.
She's snoring away like nothing's happening. I turned my head
a little, but again it is still there and what
felt to be for an hour so it might have

(27:22):
been a few minutes. You know, sometimes it's hard to
gauge when these things happen, kind of like I was
talking about with the shadow people.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, but.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Finally I pass out again because I had no breath
left in me. Okay, next day, daylight comes in. I'm
I wake up and I'm mad, I'm angry. And then
I wake her up. She goes, what's up? I go, Yo,
last night, I'm trying to get you to help me.
You wouldn't wake up because what are you talking about?

(27:51):
I didn't hear anything. Impossible because the bed was shaking
as this was happening. I was flopping around a little bit,
and wake up to help me? Goes, I don't know,
nothing happened. I didn't hear anything. And you know, it's
one of those things people say automatically, well you had
a dream. Well a fact, for most of those who
are semi skeptics, there's a difference between an experience and

(28:14):
a dream, and you'll know the difference between the two
when you have these type of experiences. And that one
really kind of messed me up, my friend, because later
down the road, that was at that point, I was
still a sports entertainer. I was still a pretty decent athlete,

(28:34):
and you know, my cardio was great, and you know,
like most athletes, one day I had this thing where
I could not breathe. I said, I swear to you,
I thought I was dying. That was the I'm coming
home Elizabeth right moment. And and I go, girl, you
gotta take me to the hospital. She goes, what's wrong.

(28:55):
I don't know what's wrong, but I feel like I'm
gonna die. I said, okay, you know, drama queen, I'll
take you to the hospital, right. And I got in
there and she said, we don't know what's wrong with you,
but you know, take this medicine. Of course, I was
there for a little while. I always take this medicine.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Right right.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Very next week, Orr, and now we went to a
I won these Celtic festivals at that point, was in Richmond, Virginia.
I like Renaissance Celtic stuff. It's a lot of fun.
Great to learn this kind of things, even though it's
not really part of my culture. As fine by me.
I like their culture. Yeah, And walking down towards the
end of the day, same thing happened. It's like it

(29:36):
was like night and like somebody flipped the switch, and
I say, shoot, I guess what we need to take
me to night again? Okay, went back and then same hospitals.
It was the same staff, same nurses. They recognized me,
which is kind of rare. Usually, you know, they different shifts, right,
mm hmm. He goes, you haven't learned your lesson? You have?

(29:58):
You go? Why you know you have asthma? Right? I said,
what are you talking about? I'm like in my mid
twenties at that point, and I was a little bit
of a smart ass, and I hope I don't insult anybody.
I go, isn't asthma some different like nerds and geeks?

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Right, because no, stop stop messing around, goes, this is
kind of serious. So here's what we're gonna do. Put
me on a dambolizer and all this, and and I
traced that back. I called that darned tornado because that
thing that did that thing that night. To me though
the description of the tornado, I didn't have issues up
until that time when that happened. So I think it's

(30:40):
in my opinion that from that experience, that's what changed
my health from that point.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Well, let me ask you the time between you had
that experience, which, by the way, most most of the
times when you hear people having sleep paralysis, once they're
able to move any little thing, that's it. It breaks
the paralysis. But you're telling me you were able to
move a little bit, but it's still you're still like, basically,
how much time between the signing of that thing versus

(31:06):
the first time that you had that experience of not
being able to breathe was it right away right after
or how much time went by?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
It was less than a year, because when you.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Started the first I'm gonna put on my paranormal investigator
hat real quick. If you would have told me that story,
first of all, when that first encounter, I said, what
was going on in your life around that time? Okay,
because let me tell you something. When you're talking what
you just described that whirlwind blacker than black and stuff,
that's like, wooo, we're talking here more than likely eighty

(31:41):
percent on human entity. But I would have said, what's
going on, Who's who are you around with, or what's
the triggering event or something? And then fast forward when
you're telling me that other experience that you had. For
a minute, I was like, it was having a panic attack,
you know, because you know you hear people that they
have that that can't breathe. But now you're telling me

(32:01):
that you go to the er and they're saying you've
got asthma. Yeah, and you're like, well, okay, how did
I miss that, especially since you're an athlete, that I
have asthma? That's that's I do want to say fascinating,
but that's wow. And you think that the nexus of
that asthma was that experience you had with whatever that was.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I find I find no other way to really attribute
that because there was never any signs.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Right prior to that, Right, how many times did you
have that for lack let's let's use let's go down
with the asthma? How many times after that did you
have that experience? I mean, and now obviously they gave
you a nebulizer, but did that ever happen again? Or what?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
My oh no, this is this is a great question.
Now we're talking about sleep paralysis or the entity.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Well, no, right here, you have the sleep paralysis and
then you're a few months later. Let me ask you,
did you right away did you realize or was it
the second time? When he's talking asthma. You're like, wait
a minute, was the visitation of this thing what opened
the door?

Speaker 2 (33:15):
It took me a while to figure it out. Okay,
So I was trying to think what in the world,
because I mean, I do now, to be completely open,
I do have several family members would have several health issues,
and everybody has their own, you know. Somebody could could
be have asthm, and one could be diabetic, one could
be anything. You know, choose your flavor. We're all going

(33:39):
to get something right, right. But I can only attribute
it to that because if if and I'm not a
doctor or anything like that, but I figure had asthma
been creeping up on me, I would have started feeling
this during training, during weight training.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's what I'm thinking of doing drills. Yeah, I would
have thought that by then you would have had some
type of breathing you know, problem or something, and uh,
that is wow. So here they give you a nebulizer
and send you on your way. And what happens after.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
That really just kind of random kind of things, but
nothing to that extreme as far as being I would
call it a physical attack, okay, even though there was
no physical content that cand of hand or body to body,
not like it was hovering over me stealing my breath,

(34:34):
Like I guess what would be? Who would that be?
Like a a succubus, right, is that what they what
they would do or something like that?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well, well't see the sucubits of the incubus, which is
a male or female that's more of a sexual attack.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Well, definitely not that out of prefer but.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
It could have been. You know, there's other stuff out
there that's non human that you know, could and that's
that's I would have said, who were you? I mean,
considering that from what you're telling me, this came out
of left field. Were you at some place or who
were you with something that maybe jump shipped and you know,

(35:10):
attached itself to you?

Speaker 2 (35:13):
It could be possible. And I and I want to
go back. I misspoke when I said I would have preferred.
I would have not preferred that. As far as the
the sexual part that was that was a miss miss.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Well, you know you know what, from what I understand,
the men or women, because remember it's the opposite sex
depending on the secuy business for the and the inky
business for it's from what I understand, the it's even
though eybodys. Oh it's sexual, but basically it drains your
life force. It's anybody that's ever had that type of experience,

(35:45):
it's like, no, this was this was not enjoyable. It
ends up like because again you're talking to non human entity,
all right, So yeah, it ends up. And I know
men are different and you tell them, well, if I
got to be haunted, might as well make it a
sexual Oh you know, but no, it's usually what it
is is it drains your life force for lack of

(36:06):
a better word. All right, So and again I guess
I'm always I'm the kind of person I always like
to see and sometimes you never find out the origin,
what was the triggering event. And the reason why is
because I've had a lot of cases like this where
people go to certain places. And by this, I'm not
necessarily saying that your ghost hunting or doing nothing like that.

(36:29):
You just go in some or being with somebody and
just something that just things will latch onto you, especially
if you're stressed out, because it'll thin out your aura,
and or sometimes it's even an affinity and you know,

(36:52):
like you'll have people that are angry. I'm using the anger,
but it could be angry like attracts like got an
angry person, You're going to attract angry energy or entities,
whether either human or nonhuman. So that's why I was wondering,
like what was going on in your life at that
time when you had when that happened. Besides the fact
that you were you know, sounds like you were a

(37:13):
young guy, an athlete, you know.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, I was. I was up to a lot of
no good, tell you truth, okay, because at that time,
you know, you travel a lot. Sure, there are different
towns you entertain. You know, you go to hotels, motels wherever.
You're always with a pack of people. You know, things
that should have landed me in jail, and thankfully somebody
was looking at me not did not happen, right, But

(37:39):
you know, it goes back to maybe a childhood because
you know, when you're young and there's no father in
your life, and then when you make contact with that
side of the family, Yeah, they kind of like want
to hang out with you, but they don't really want to. Sure,
So it's one of those things that maybe there's some
sort of not say trauma, but some sort of childhood angle.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Believe it or not, Yes, No, trauma is the appropriate
word for it. Trauma is the appropriate word for it.
But yes, no, I understand, and a lot of times no,
I mean that's a whole nother show. But yes, that's
appropriate word for it. But yeah, did you ever see
that thing again?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
No? No, Now what's interesting is almost every place I've
gone to live at minus one, which I would have
thought that would have been the place to have stuff happened,
and not. I went. I moved to an apartment not
too far from my mother's. I like being close to
my mother. I got to check on her, see how

(38:41):
she's doing. Mama's boy. And we moved to this apartment,
which basically it was a maybe a six hundred square
foot small environment over a garage somewhere. It's seven hundred
dollars a month. Back then it was a lot of money.
Where it's better than one thousand dollars twelve hundred for
an apartment. Sure, in this place there was some activity

(39:05):
as well. And then move in to three places after
that more activities. Now, right about two thousand and seven,
when I moved to this different neighborhood in Stafford, Virginia. Stafford,
Virginia has a lot of rich history of course, Virginia right,

(39:25):
there was a time I was still with the same
It was a long term relationship, long before I am there.
We moved to this place and it would be set.
This is several instances, not of sleep paralysis or any
type of attacks. But and I don't hear spirits. I
don't see spirits, so I don't have that gift. But

(39:47):
when things wants to happen, whether you have it or not,
they're going to make their presence. Now, yes, there were
several times in that home where I would be having
a full blown conversation which I thought would have been
my girlfriend at the time who and it looked like her,
it walked like her, never spoke, but I would be
telling her about my day or something, and she would

(40:10):
never respond. And so I started telling you, this is
very rude. I'm having a conversation. They go, hey, why
aren't you answering me? There's nobody there, And I go
across the hallway, I look for a gold girl. Why
are you being rude? You mad at me? He goes,
what are you talking about? I go, I was just
having a talking for ten fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
But let me ask when you you know how and
I know what you mean. You know how sometimes you think, hey,
that person's in the room next door because maybe you
see some you know, maybe you see a movement and
you're and you're thinking, who else is it gonna be?
Was that what was happening with you? You saw some type
of movement or something that made you believe that she
was in a certain place and you started having a
conversation with her.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
No, No, that's I'm sorry, don't that's a that's a
great observation what you have there. But no is I
would picture like if I'm cooking a meal, if I'm
washing dish, Okay, like right now, if I were in
this house, we have very small it was a very
small kitchen except my house. Now, my wife could be
doing dishes or cooking or we reverse you know we
sometimes we take turns whatever, that's what we do. We

(41:12):
could I could be talking her. No, she's there right
so easy, same side kitchen type of thing. And I
think at that time I would have been cooking something.
But she was maybe like three feet from me, four
feet from me. Wow, But it was her. It was
the same body face, everything was it was. I called
it the mimicker because it mimicked the same look, and

(41:38):
I said, normal conversations. I turn around because I heard
it walking. She just walked away. She just walked away
from me. So that's why I went over there, go
darling being very rude. I mean, you're okay, Go, what
are you talking about? I've been here for like twenty minutes, Goes,
But I was just talking to you, Goes. I not
only did I not hear you talk, you weren't talking me.

(42:01):
And that happened quite frequently in that place. And after
a while I was like, ah, I guess it's back.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
And that was Was that the only place that you
had that experience? And that went a little apartment.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
No, that was there's more to come and which I
cover a lot, and I remember the crib. But let
me I'm gonna give you a good one because this one.
I got some validation recently from my cousin about this
one my mother's birthday last summer. She's a gifted one
in the family and my cousin and she can tell
you some things, but up until that point I haven't

(42:39):
sen her in years. She was like my like my
big sister, same situation, you know, single mother, raising the kid,
kind of thing. So her and I really bonded when
we were young, and when I lived in my grandmother's
apartment in Puerto Rico. It was very nice, not too
far from Conda from the beach, and we were on

(43:03):
the third floor over the over the parking lot. There
was another just a house there for some reason, no reason,
there's a house there, okay. And in that house, I
think at that point I might have been about five
years old. And in this house, you know, I had
the palm trees of the best discripant of an old

(43:23):
Spanish house with the with the roof that's got the
the got these a lot of I think Arizona and Florida.
I don't know what they're called. The tiles Spanish time.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Than Spanish tiles. Yeah, that are orange.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Yes, you know, I would have never been able to
say that word. I've written it down, but thank you. So.
I never saw anybody come and go in this house.
It's a pretty pretty house. There's a lot of overgrowth.
You can see the iguanas go through the yard or
the little lizards, you know. So in my opinion, in
my mind, nobody lives there right right, never saw anybody,
all right, I lived with my grandma's fortle over a

(43:55):
year where by the same time in the afternoon, and
I think I was in kindergarten at that time, and
which is how I this is how I put the
pieces together. Where I was what year? Okay, so I
think this is seventy eight or seventy nine, I don't know,
I'm dating myself. So during that year, Abba was super huge.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Right, yes, yeah, you're right, was super huge.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yes, Abba Minuda was super huge to the point and
then and if you know, I don't know how much
people will know about the Spanish culture, South America and
the Caribbean. We have our own stars, we have our
own TV show, right, it's a whole different world. But
every yeah, yep. And if you wanted to watch anything

(44:42):
kind of current everything, you can watch chips, You can
watch all these shows that they were built in Spanish. Yes,
So why did I bring up the Spanish part up?
So every time, around the same time in the afternoon,
music would play from this.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
House, okay, loudly, all right.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
And they would play Abba the same song over and
over again. Wow, and the song I don't know how
many people are very well knowledgeable in Abba. ABA's a
great group. I'm a metal head, but if you play
abba with me, I will sing along to it. Yeah,

(45:26):
of course, great voices. I think they were from Switzerland
or Sweden or something.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yes, Swedish, I believe. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
So why would a Swedish group sing in Spanish that
song Chicky Tita? Right?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yes, exactly, that's right.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
So that would be the song that was playing over
and over again in that house.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
And how long would that go on for?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I would say, I listen hour?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Now did you ever find out? Was it an empty house?
Was it abandoned? Or that's weird?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
All right? I believe it was because the whole time
I was there, I never saw a person go in
or out. Note one car came in the driveway and
left the driveway. Nothing not a soul.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Right, So moving forward, I moved to us by DC
area about eighty one.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
We moved to the United States. We had nothing. We
had like a bag and a little black and white
TV we took with us. Okay, and we all do
in the typical two families, five kids, right, you know,
duplex or wherever you know. Looking that it's probably the
best times of my life, you know, the struggle was
the best part.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Everybody squeezing together.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yep, yep, man, we used to do the whole thing.
Go not for food. But you know, if you wait
a certain time of the nice neighborhoods, you want good furniture,
you wait and then you grab this stuff. You know,
you might take a chance on a mattress, but either
the mattress or the floor, right.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yep, yes, absolutely, yeah. But like you say, and you know,
it's really funny because especially as a child, you know,
sometimes people spend boatloads of money on getting stuff for
their kids. Kids don't care because you just want to
be kids, to be happy. So like what you're saying,
you know, we went through all these things, but it
was great times, you know when I look back on it,

(47:17):
because you kids usually, unless you bring them up that way,
they're not into status stuff, you know, the status symbol
or nothing like that. Now, you know, So here you
are and you move and I guess what I'm Yeah,
it sounds like maybe what you're telling me is maybe,

(47:38):
with the exception of one place, you almost had an
experience at these different locations where you lived as you
were growing up.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yes, wow, And it's even up until here in this house.
Things happen, but I'm not this is where it gets.
I'm gonna close the loop on this one story, which
you can read about it in my book, okay, which
you know, for a first time book. I wish I
had spend a little more time with more details, but
I just want to get the story out there because

(48:07):
my hope is that somebody would read it and email
me or talk to me and say, I think I
figured out what's going on there. That's pretty much I
put it out there as a line for anybody to
I don't care who it is, I'll take the information.
One night in this duplex there was everybody was asleep,
so we all slept on the floor because it was

(48:28):
we didn't have like I said, we had the mattress
on the floor. We didn't have anything fantasy. I wake
up one night and I start hearing music, right, okay,
why everybody's asleep? And back then nobody played the loud
car starias a night. You know, back then we were
a little more polite than we are now.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Right, Yeah, no, no, I know that it was like
bad form. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
And because you know, you go into a neighborhood, you
turn around, the music you park your car to get
two reasons, because if your steia is really good, you're
not gonna see it the next day, so you gotta
really play it safe, right, And then this music starts playing.
It's like, why is who's playing music? You know? Everybody?
I get up? Right? Is that Abba song playing? Yo?

(49:16):
Listen what? It gets better? Because I get up and
I don't want to make my mother up, But it's
like I got up slowly. It's like, well, she's asleep.
I go to my aunt's room, she's fast asleep. I
go to see my cousins, all three of them on
the floor there. They're asleep. No night lights were on,
nothing was on TV, no radio. We don't really have

(49:37):
radio either. But that music from Abbo is coming from
down stairs.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
And you're the only one that's hearing it.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Obviously I'm the only one. And this is not a
dream because I'm walking around the house physically, and I
guess the difference between experience and a dream. So I'm
sitting there at the top of the stairwell like a
little I was just a little guy, and for me,
the music was so loud. I put in my little
hands over my ears. I could just make it stop, right,

(50:08):
But I can still hear it even if it's a
little bit muffled.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
OK.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I like, shoot, i'll tell you what. I'm gonna go downstairs.
Brave little kid. A little too brave, I think. And
I start going downstairs. Starts getting louder and louder, and
I'm looking at well TV.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
He's not on.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I look outside. There's nobody outside, and it's pitch black,
only by moonlight or the street light. You know, that's
the only thing kind of like you get at night.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And I'm walking through the tiny living room and then
there's a kitchen, and there's a door to go to
the outside, and the closer I got to the door
to the outside magically stopped playing. And there's something.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
And uh, that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
And I don't know how to explain that.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
And did it that only happened with that one time?
Or did it ever happen again while you were there.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
I haven't heard that song since, not even on the radio.
If I look for it is there, but I refuse
to listen to it because I don't want to stir
up something that is.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
So unusual, because here we're talking a totally like different
location totally hundreds of miles apart. Yes, that is wow.
And what did you do? You went back and it
is like, I'm going to go back to sleep, and
I'm just gonna be like when you heard it, were

(51:31):
you just curious or did you feel any type of
like did you wig out a little bit? Even even
though you were a kid?

Speaker 2 (51:39):
You know, at that point I was, I think I
was a little bit scared. But then I made the
connection because I heard the song before. Okay, but why
would it be playing here?

Speaker 1 (51:48):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:48):
And after a while to give it much start, and
it is almost like somebody just closed the book on
it because I never thought about.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
It since yes, right right, yeah, And you know what,
that's the thing. And I tell everybody, you know, there's
people nowadays, especially you know, after this thing of all
these paranormal shows that everybody's going goes hunting, but which
I consider the best stories of the people that things
happened to them. They weren't got something, they weren't looking
to have the experience and they have it.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah. And like you said, when you have especially when
you're younger, you're not going to paranormal you know, you're
thinking other things. But later on, when you become an
adult and you look back and you wait, a minute,
that was that's not that's not normal. Whatever the experience was,
either I heard something, saw something felt something that that's

(52:36):
that might have been paranormal, or that might have been
a ghost, or that might have like whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
That wasn't until decades later where I started really put.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
It right, that you started thinking, Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, yeah. And then just recently last year, when my
miles a big milestone birthday, we had a family reunion
kind of deal. My cousin was there and I haven't
talked her in a long time. We were talking about
pairingormal stuff with it because I have my cousin's wife,
my other cousin's wife. She's from Cuba, Okay, and she

(53:11):
has a lot of stories from the time she was
there up until they got on the raft in the
ocean make it to America. It's a whole, it's a story.
I'll break your heart, right. But she's very gifted, very gifted.
She knows a lot and communicates. But I was telling
her this story about what happened because because she wants
to know more about my podcast, Like, yeah, I'm gonna

(53:32):
talk about podcasting my family, and some of them are
very accepting. Some of them like, I'll get to it, right,
I understand, I understand. So then my cousin overhears it.
She goes, what about the house, you know the one
because she lived the first floor in my aunt, you
know the house that was there. Nobody was there. He goes, yeah,
I remember that house, because don't you think it's weird?

(53:54):
She goes, yeah, I never saw anybody ever coming out
of the house. So I got a little bit of validation,
just I'm might be rude. I have my phone here ahead,
and it's could be the first time I ever shared.
Is anybody outside of actually did even share with my wife?
She sent me this text on Facebook. She hasn't stopped

(54:19):
talking about the house since because now it's been haunting
her about knowing more about the house, right, And the
more she goes, you know, they did used to play
music there, and you're right it was that song, Like,
are you kidding me? She goes, no, no, this is
it right. So she sends me she went on Google
maps or whatever that Google thing is right, yes, yes, okay,

(54:41):
So she goes, I don't case. She sent me the
picture of the house. Okay, So I don't know because
there's a lot of clairer.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
From did she okay? Did let me ask you? Because
I can't see there's glare? Is it at the street
level or overhead? Okay? So it's Google Maps not yeah,
because there's a satellite shot. And then there's the other one.
It's like like if you're driving in front of the house,
there you go a little bit. Okay, so there's yeah,
there's Okay, I see it. There's the house. Yes, and
so it's still there.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
It's still there to this day. Now. I don't know
about the trees. They might have done a couple little
different paint jobs because when I when I was there,
it wasn't that nice.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Tell the truth, right, Yeah, that doesn't mean anything. It
could have been bought, you know, when somebody moved in.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
There and somebody flipped it. You know, tourists might see them,
you know. But she goes, she hasn't been able to
stop thinking about that house since I brought that subject up, Okay,
and then she goes, here's the house, remember this one? Yeah,
that's it, and yeah, so it's kind of one of
those things. Finally she read the book. Actually she goes,
she went to find out more about it, and she goes,

(55:44):
here's the picture. And uh, because I didn't remember the address.
I mean, hell if I knew, but she remembered it.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah. Or is the book on Amazon or where do
you have it?

Speaker 2 (55:55):
It is on Amazon. It's currently on paperback you can
download on your and I just recently found out as
an audio as an audiobook too. My publisher didn't let
me know. This is a surprise for me.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Let me ask you, what's the title of the book.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I remember the crib and I believe that it costs
a lot less with the Kindle version, which is great
because you know once you buy it straight to your Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
No, no, keep talking. I'm gonna try to bring it
up on the screen. Okay.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yeah. And it's rather short books about it's seventy to
eighty pages. But I just wanted to talk about here's
the experience. Is what happened happened. And I leave it
open to anybody to tell me what their opinions are,
because I'm not one of those that what I think
is the way because it can't be right.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
No, I know what you're saying as far as and
you know what some of those experiences sometimes, like you said,
you know, you weren't like now, like what I was saying,
You're not there with a recorder or a camera or anything
that they prove for real it happened. So basically all
you have, you're the sole witness of what happened. You know.
It's not like uh nowadays that they've got the thermometer

(57:04):
and the thing and the fleer and the Yeah, it's.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
Like, I don't think back then, I don't even think
we had micro cassettes. It was like a you know,
generic recording. I don't know, there was like a rectangle thing.
And but you don't really think about those things back then.
It's it's just something, just something like happens, you know,
of course exactly.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
Yes, of course. And I remember the crib and and
this is great because basically what you've got is that
group of people in the hallway, like what you were
talking about. Yeah, that's great and uh okay, so there
we go. Okay, so they can find it on Amazon.
I remember the crib all right, for any anybody that

(57:44):
wants to, uh, you know, find it. Uh. And like
you said, you have the kindle version and you have
the the audio version.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
So.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I mean now that you're looking back, mhm, that you
said that your mom, your your maternal line did now
that you wrote the book, of any of your family
members come up and said, by the way, you know,
and they tell you a story and you're like, I
didn't know that. Has anybody done that yet with you?

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Not yet? Now my mom read it. She loved her.
She because I put a little bit of humor in it.
It's kind of my nature. My cousin, the one that
had the picture, she bought it, she downloaded and read it.
She told me, yeah, I understand what you're saying now
into details, but definitely about that house. Okay, that was
kind of I think that kind of struck a chord

(58:36):
on her. In her and she hasn't every time I
take a text, I get it. She hasn't talked stopped
talking about it.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
She said. And and you know, sometimes, like I said,
that moment in time is coming on because obviously now
you said, you know, now it looks different, like you said,
and so it's almost like a mystery that's going to
remain a mystery because there's no way you can ever
go back and find out, Hey, was this place really empty?
And who was playing Abba loudly for an hour and

(59:07):
then let me tell you the best thing is but
you're saying here, you are hundreds of miles away and
you're waking up and you're a kid, and what do
you hear? Abba? That's incredible. But let me tell you
that whole thing, that that experience that you had where

(59:27):
you see this thing at the foot of the bed,
let me, I think that's got to be one of
those bad experiences when you're sleeping that you all of
a sudden you see something and you're like man and
not being able to move. I know for a lot
of people that sleep paralysis really does a number on
them big time. And it's surprising because supposedly the thing

(59:48):
of the sleep paralysis is, you know, your brain shuts
off movement so that you won'trash around when you dream,
you know, and that sometimes you get ahead of yourself
and you kind of wake up before that's disconnected from
your brain. And I understand that that's what they call
that the process of what to explain with sleep. But
you have people that will have sleep aaralysis, but only

(01:00:10):
when they live in a certain location, especially when they
have sightings like in other words, they move away, and
then the sleep paralysis stops, and it's like, how does
that work? You know? If this was all my brain,
you know, me waking up, but my brain's still not
letting me move, how is it that when I moved
to another place that experience stopped? Was you know? Was it? Then?

(01:00:30):
You know? Then you get that supernatural flavor in there
that's like, well, you could call sleep paralysis, but there
was something else in the mix. Yeah that but yeah,
that that cyclone kind thing, cloudy thing with black on
block that was like, that's that must have been horrendous.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
I've never seen it since. Now I'm contemplating and writing
a second book because there's a few more things that
I've had experienced with, not enough for a whole book.
But this is not This was not my first experience
in sleep paralysis, Okay, And in fact I had it.
It was last January last year. And that's because the

(01:01:14):
reason I haven't written about it because I don't know
how to start it. Okay, because it was it was
the most painful experience I've had in my life, This
last one, this last one to happen within a year, yeah,
a little over a year ago. Okay, that I want
to make sure if I write it that I put
as much detail as possible, because so I can help

(01:01:37):
my listeners as a reader or just friends of mine
know that this is why it wasn't a dream. Let
me explain to you why. Okay, And but I'm contemplating.
I don't know. I did the first one, and I
was scared of death to write one. And once it
was published, I'm like, because I actually wrote it, and
then I left it there for a month. I didn't
do anything with it. So I told my book I
told the publisher, I'll get it to you, but I

(01:02:00):
want to pull the trigger. But I can't because to
just do it. Man, you'll be okay, And I am
okay because I get to meet wonderful people like you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah, let me tell you something that there's a point
that you got to execute. You know, you got to
like do it. You did it. That's good, So anyway,
go ahead. You were saying that this is why this
was such a horrible experience.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
It was because it's just like the asthma issue. Well,
this one left me with pretty severe back problems and
which I never really as an athlete. Once you start aging,
things start popping up like you know, you know, my
hips are bad and my knees are great, but I
never had real bad issues with my back. Okay, now,

(01:02:42):
ever since that night which my poor wife, so tiny
little lady, had to pick up a two hundred and
fifty pounds men out of the bed because I couldn't
get out of bed. Okay, let me tell you what
happened last night. And it's one of those things I'm
not I haven't talked about it yet to anybody on
a show, and I had a couple of folks right
but I'm thinking there I might write about it. I

(01:03:04):
don't know yet. I'm not ready. I'm not there yet.
But a good friend of mine, I don't know if
you ever met him on Nate Alwell, he's a great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
That name sounds familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Yeah, he's got a great show on YouTube. He's a
pair of debunker. So what he takes these a lot
of hoax videos out there and he's like, here's why
this is a hoax and breaks it down because it
does allow the service to the work that we're kind
of trying to do to bring these subjects to light.
But then you have twenty thirty people kind of ruin
it for all of us, make it look kind of

(01:03:33):
make us all look foolish. But that's fine. But he said,
why don't you start writing these? If it weren't for
me writing these takes down some of them, the book
wouldn't have been as long, right, I would have only
been like a few stories. But the issue with me
writing things down is like almost a second I start
writing them down, the activity goes to zero. It stops. Okay,

(01:03:58):
interesting and if not that, I welcome it. I can't
stop it. They do what they want to do. But
once I stop, things are happening again. But it's only
when I start journaling they will not do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
They Why they? Or it or him or I'm I'm
just I'm just throwing a little spit of cycle analysis
is in there? Why do you say it's they?

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Nobody's ever asked me that question? Why they? That's good.
I'm glad you asked that, only because I the experiences
have been different, Like there's been different presentations of these
things happening to me. So if it's one doing these
things in a different manner. But I can say that

(01:04:48):
the first experience with sleep paralysis compared to the second
two completely different things. I think the second one might
have been more extraterrestrial based instead of more of a paranormal.
What do these things kind of cross things anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Oh no, yeah, there's a lot of now crossovers with
u ufology, ETS and a paranormal. Yes. Absolutely, I've spoken
to people. When I was in Miami, I belonged to
a group, you know, UFO people, and we had moved
on to presenting. I had countless people come to me
and tell me that had paranormal No, I'm sorry the

(01:05:25):
other way around. They had cited a UFO. We're not
even talking here abduction, We're just talking sightings. And all
of a sudden they started having paranormal stuff going on
in their house. And I remember them coming to me
and asking me, since they need I have been doing
paranormal investigations since the nineties, and they were asking me,
I don't get it. What does because remember this is
once upon a time UFOs are over here and goes

(01:05:48):
to paranormal all over here, and they're asking me, why
am I seeing what I think is a UFO. What
does that have to do with me starting to have
paranormal experiences or things happening in my house. And by
the way, some in some cases this was going on
for years, okay, and they couldn't figure out the connection

(01:06:08):
between one thing and the other how that works, and
uh that well yeah, and let's not even go into
you know, when we're talking here abduction, an abduction scenario.
I don't know. I'm sure you've you've heard of Skinwalker Ranch, right, yes, okay,
you know they have that hitchhiker effect where people that

(01:06:29):
have been out there all right, even from before when
Bigelow used to own the land, you know, before this
guy that's out there now, people that work, plus even
just people that you never were aware of security, just
people running the place. They would leave and go back home,
and they were having paranormal experiences at home hundreds of

(01:06:50):
miles away. And some of the stuff when you when
you listen or you read some of their experiences, like
we're talking like uh we're wolf kind of sightings and
like really bizarre stuff. Then you would think, okay, what
the And you know, everybody thinks of Skinwalker Ranches being
more of like a u of ful thing. So getting

(01:07:13):
back to what you were saying, now that now you're
thinking this has more of what a ufo extraterrestrial.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
It does, because you know I might as well. I'll
give you some small details on that. Okay, So when
this happened in my bed, I'll tell you what I
was wearing. I was wearing these red and black pajama bottles,
no shirt because okay, I don't know about most people.
I'll just see with a lot of blankets. But I

(01:07:43):
always had the fans going. I like the sound of
the fans oscillating, and the one and the one on
the ceiling. And then something happened later down this night.
The reason I think it's it's less paranormal, more extraterrestrial
base because it took me to a different location in

(01:08:05):
this town to where it was cold. It was a January,
which is which is which it gets better? Cold is January.
Now I can remember, okay around here and this is
farm land here where I'm at West Virginia. Okay, So
I found myself floating on what was a what I

(01:08:26):
it was almost the equivalent of being on a gurney
in a hospital, like you're being pushed, but there was
no wheels. There was nobody next to me, but it
was almost like that was in a see through gurney,
but it was floating right. I don't have the blankets on,
but I didn't have my shirt on, and I still
have the same pajamazon. Okay, I felt the cold, but

(01:08:51):
it was not I was not shivering, but I knew
it was cold. And to this day, I could tell
you what spot this happened because I could see it
every day when I come to work and come home
from work. So that's the farmland where they took me.
Because I could see the hills, and there's houses about
half a mile from the hills, and I could see
the outline of the house. I go. That's where it happened.

(01:09:12):
I told my wife. And then what seemed to float
for a while, I went up in my bed again.
Two two days later, not long after that is when
I had that issue with my back where there were
these two it felt like two spheres on the top

(01:09:35):
of my back that I felt like I was on fire,
and every time I moved it would trigger pain all
over my body. I could not move, not I was
not paralyzed, but the pain paralyzed me sure, and I
had I could only reach my phone, moved my arm,
I text, I text my wife. She was already up.

(01:10:00):
I hate to ask you this, but can you peel
me out of bed? I can't move. She's like, we's wrong, goes.
I don't know, but this poor lady had to get
me up and then found me a cane and then
we'll go straight to the hospital, okay. And they said
it was long short. It was in a waiting room.
I went in and took the X rays. I couldn't
find anything because but we see evidence of muscle recoil, right,

(01:10:24):
And I don't know what causes that because either though
I still go to the gym and stuff like that,
it's not like I used to. I don't go hardcore
like I used to because I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Can't, Okay, But it was like, so they give you
some muscle relaxer and they.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Give me a couple of shots, and but the shots work,
but for me, like muscle relaxes and stuff, they don't
work on me that much.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
So basically you're still feeling the effect of that experience,
is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Yes, I have a slip disc now on my back
when she was not present there prior to that, because
I went to the x rays before because of my
hid I guess I'm wrestling. I've been hurt several times.
But because when did this happen? Were you in a
car accident? What happened you fall? Go? No, I don't
know where this came from. And so that's a thing,

(01:11:12):
I mean, something else to add to it. You don't
have as much issues as asthma anymore. But we traded
one for the other. So that's why I feel as
more extraterrestrial based and paranormal because it took me to
a different location while I was still awake. And uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Uh, well, you know, you know what, that's very interesting.
And something else that you might there's something sometimes that's
called mind body syndrome. And I learned about this because
I was a hypnotherapist for many years, where sometimes what's
going on in here it's it's it's played out in

(01:11:52):
the body. For example, this is just a for instance,
Let's say somebody is it a situation or life when
they consciously they want to move forward and they want
to advance whatever, let's say career, even moving whatever, and
but like everything, you know, people hold back. We don't
want to change, we want to do it, but some
consciously we don't. Then you'll have people that if they're

(01:12:14):
really in a tug of war internally. They'll they might
have either a leg injury or like like what you're describing,
all of a sudden, they'll get this pain in their
leg or both legs and they're like, where did this
come from? Well, all of a sudden, And basically it's
like this, the the back and forth, the tug of
war that you have internally about moving forward, not physically,

(01:12:36):
it's played out in your body somehow. Same thing. If
you're advancing, if you're reaching to go further, some people
will either get an arm injury or their arms or something,
or their hands something will start hurting for no reason.
Like you said, I haven't had an accident or suffered
an injury to that part of my body, all right,

(01:12:58):
And it's just it's a mind body syndrome that just
that it gets it's so in there that it manifests
in your body. But basically you're telling me that now
you it's there. It's it's like not like a what's
the you know when people they say, oh, they have

(01:13:20):
like these pains and it's all in their head because
you're telling me, now you have a slip disc.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yeah. Yeah, And recently just about a little over a
month ago, I finally broke down and they put in
gestures in my side joint, and which is I guess
some fancy quarter zone because I've had it my hips
and it's only lasts for three months. But now it
has been lasting pretty well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Right, But you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
I'd rather not have this issue, but it's it was
one that came suddenly as a result of an experience.

Speaker 1 (01:13:47):
So right, And that's the thing. Sometimes when you get pains,
you know, you work like it hurts, and then a
few more months and it's party more. And then by
the time it's like, okay, I've been like this, but
you got this like basically overnight for lack of a better.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Word, Yeah, just after the experience. And I never saw
it coming.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Wow, that experience that you had of basically being up
in the air like on some type of gurney that is.
Have you ever had a UFO experience actually sided one?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
No, not, I've never seen one. I mean, I'm into
UFO and uphology, and I've interviewed a lot of people
have had these experiencers or they're written books about them.
And while I can't relate with some of their abduction
stories or anything like that. This would be the closest
thing I think for me. And because while I was floating,

(01:14:41):
it would have been a good five or six feet
in the air. So yeah, you know, I didn't see
a ship, I didn't hear anything. All I felt is
that cold air and I just heard you know how yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
That right that you actually felt? Yeah, when we have dreams,
you know, we leave the weather out of it. How's that?
You know what I'm saying, Like you said, it's January,
so obviously it's cold outside. But when you know, when
you're dreaming or something that doesn't that doesn't play in
but you're actually feeling like if you were that opened.
That's that's that. That presents a lot of interesting questions

(01:15:18):
there as to and there you then you go into
a having this experience physically.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Ever since then, not to that magnitude, I'm pretty much
it's been not as active now whatever's been going on
with me up until but uh, in this house mm
hmm has moved on to my wife. She has her
own things, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Yeah, but why is it? Let me ask, is it
is she having separate experiences or or are you both
seeing the same thing, or how does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Separate It'll happen even when I'm not here. And now,
before she met me, she wasn't really into any of this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
Okay, okay, okay, up until we moved here two years ago.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
She always says, you better tell your friends stop messing
with me. I go, what what did they do? Well?
They boom my jewelry around? Or you know, I found
coins on the ground like a cool or are here there?
Who uses coins? Now? I use it too for the
grocery store. We have grocery store here. You put a
quarter in the in the shopping car that comes out. Yeah, yeah,

(01:16:35):
but we don't need change. I have a piggyback. Then
my mom gave me a long time ago full of coins.
But there's no reason to had a coin a particular
part of the room, right because the dogs are gonna
choke on it. You know, they're gonna they're gonna eat
it or something. Right, So she's had things launched out
her face, her head, she's what fingerprints on Yeah, so

(01:16:57):
this is I only saw the end of this part.
Is I was saying on the couch and I can
see the kitchen. All of a sudden I hear like
a bang. Right when I turned around, there's an object
that was on the wall and it fell down. So
this thing was the top of our refrigerator. It would
happen no reason to be propelled towards anything. She was

(01:17:19):
walking away from the fridge and whatever it was just
jumped from the fridge to the top of the fridge,
aiming towards her head. I did not see it fly
towards her, but I did see. I didn't see it
once I heard it was falling from the wall to
the ground. What did you do? Is I didn't do anything? Why?

(01:17:40):
And then it's not the first time. It's we've had
a picture that are nailed to a wall. And I
was actually doing a post post editing for podcasts because
this could be a lot of fun. Some days are
better than others, right, you know that, you know the
you know the pain. And I hear this loud hit
the ground. I'm like, I'm like, I'm glad I didn't

(01:18:03):
have it. Well, I had an inner because it's very loud.
I go out there with what's ron and goes I
see a picture frame on the ground on the floor
in the hallway. She goes this thing just came off
the wall and try to hit me in my face.
But it's nailed to the wall because I don't know how,
but we haven't put it back up. We just keep
it there empty to It's like remember when that day
that happened?

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yeah, but do I want to find out is going
to fly off at me?

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Yeah? So we just might as well leave it off, right,
And yeah, I interesting? And then she's seen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
It's almost like a little bit antagonistic towards her, is
what it sounds like, whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Maybe maybe so. And then on her dresser, you know
sometimes if you don't dust things very well, you know,
things happen. Well, she's seen these like finger marks like
across the top of it. So we get closer. You
see the dust is move and you see smooth but
it's only like three right like that. Because I've looked

(01:19:02):
at them. I go mm hmm. She goes, did you
go look through my stuff? I know you have nothing out.
You know, we don't even have to see in style jewelry,
so why would I will? You know? She goes, well,
look at this, oh yeah, okay, And I looked compared
to mine and hers are different size. It's too big
for her and too small to be mine. So I

(01:19:23):
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
Yeah, well that begs the question, how old is that
property that you're honor the house? Is it more modern?

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
It's this neighborhood started in ninety It used to be
an old apple orchard owned by a farmer years ago,
and whatever family inherited the land became very, very rich
because they sold it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
Yeah, developers, imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
There's not one apple tree in sight, and which now
down the road they're building more. Some of these farms
are half gone because they're building more.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Y Yeah, yeah, I forget it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
So which is going to really make angries? Whoever used
to be the inhabitants of these lands? You know, because
it's not usually you know, it's not the house, it's
usually the land.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Have you ever heard what happened out well, it's called
Black Hope, but this was out in Texas and this
happened like in the eighties. Have you ever heard of
that story? What happened? WHOA, Okay, this is the place,
same thing, big track of land. Developer buys it decides
they're going to build some houses, but nice houses, like
customized directly, not like a development per se like. But

(01:20:35):
you know, you bought the piece of land with your house.
Nice the guy the developer builds this. A bunch of
people move in story though the ones that ended up
writing the story was one family, but the whole all
the families that moved into that area that had houses built,
all eventually had an experience. Okay, everything is fine. There's

(01:20:57):
a couple, you know, they're a little not older, I mean,
they have an adult daughter everything, and then one time
they decide, this is apparently the triggering point. They decide
they're going to put a backyard pool, like you know
where you get with a bulldozer.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Somehow in one of the they're saying that somebody told them, hey,
you're going to dig up a coffin if you do that,
and they didn't pay attention to it. Sure enough, when
they're excavatory, bring up two coffins. All right, This is
what triggered a bunch of events that the hauntings, I

(01:21:38):
mean full scale. I'm not going to go into it.
Come to find out. What had happened was this was
many years ago. Prior to this, they had a black
settlement there called New Hope or Black Hope, Okay, and
they had made like an unofficial cemetery buried the people

(01:21:59):
there from the little town. But what happened is one
day the little town it catches fire, burns like the
town down, and everybody, all the citizens lead. But everybody
in the black community knew that that settlement had been
there and that cemetery was there. But what happened was
back then they would just put up wooden crosses, which
of course deteriorate. I'm gonna, like I said, I'm doing

(01:22:21):
the condensed version. The owners of these places even turn
around and tried to after they had their daughter even died,
and that's a whole nother story. They tried and turned
around and tried to sue the developer. Come to find out,
the developer this was never registered. This was like an
unofficial town and an unofficial cemetery. So nobody ever went
down to the county and said, hey, we have a

(01:22:43):
cemetery here on this location part of this community. So
the developer didn't, you know. It wasn't like you know
the polterguys story where you didn't move the bodies. No,
they didn't. They really didn't know about it because there
was nothing in the county's registry to indicate that they
had used as a cemetery. Bottom line, the eventually, I

(01:23:06):
want to say, everybody had to move out. That that
event when they dug up, it just spread and the
different neighbors had different events. But mostly what you learn
about is the people that did write the book that
everybody just had to move. They left, They had to leave,
they couldn't stay there. That's how bad the paranormal phenomenon was.

(01:23:28):
If you ever have a chance to look at it's
called Black Hope and it's it was in Texas, I
want to say eighties, mid eighties, late eighties kind of.
But my point being what we were talking about that
you're saying here, you know, you're you this where you're
living is out in an apple orchard. Sometimes people are

(01:23:48):
not aware of what's gone on in the land. Yeah,
you might know, well it's an oh. And by the way,
one time, there's a tree and it's somebody had carved
like an arrow to it, and they were just thinking
with something else. Apparently what they were doing is that
when they buried people, they were like getting some of
these old oaks that were still there and you know,

(01:24:09):
like engraving into the tree like as basically as a marker,
you know, but people didn't know how to interpret it,
like it's actually marking the side of a burial, that
kind of deal. But again, and by this time, I'm
not saying that you live in a cemetery, but sometimes
people just don't realize what's going on in pieces of land.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Yeah, I mean you don't know. I mean it could
be this place could be littered with bodies. You'd never know.
Press civilizations eons ago. And you kind of read my
mind and she gave me the poultry guys vibes. I
was thinking the scene when the pool, when the skeletons
came up, and I think it was, yeah, oh no, no,
don't build a pool, don't do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
It well right, well in Poulter, guys, it was you
remember that that that the whole thing was. This is
like predates the poultry guys thing, and it's you know,
the people that this was a genuine story and their
experience and one of the time, oh what was it,
they were going back and forth with the county trying
to prove that hey, this was a cemetery, like they're

(01:25:12):
like hey, and the county said, no, you can't dig
it up. It's one of those deals. They start digging
anyway because they're trying to provide proof, like hey, and
at that time, their daughter, which was I want to
say thirty or thirty three, a younger woman. All of
a sudden her and the mom were digging in the
yard trying to find proof of she becomes like violently sick,

(01:25:34):
and like within twenty four hours she passed away. I'm
giving you again the condensed version. And this was really
what basically just drove them away from there. I think
they moved temporarily for like a couple of years to
Montana or something like that. But yes, it's a very
interesting story and what they call a cautionary tale of

(01:25:55):
when you like, you know, like I said, the triggering
thing was when they dug into the ground. What you
were saying, that's what I set everything off. So, yes, and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
As you were talking about that, I wrote down because
I have a note always have a notebook next to me.
I'm gonna look that up. Yes, right as soon as
we get out. And it sounds like a fascinating story,
and I'm pretty sure it's not because we never learned.
This is not the first time this has happened.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I'm sure of course not, of course not. I tell
everybody because I do a lot of research. When when
I write, you know, people it's camp camping, you know,
let's say when they had the gold Rush or camping,
or even when they were building things. People communities would
spring up and back then, you know, not where everybody
had a car. You know, usually the biggest cities are the

(01:26:43):
ones that had the big cemetery. Sometimes they would do
unofficial cemeteries. For example, one time, I want to say
this story real quick, I went out there. This This
was when in Miami, in this little town called Homes,
which is an agricultural part of Miami Dade County. All right,
I had heard there was an old one of the
first schools elementaries built out there, and I did research.

(01:27:06):
Now what happens is when Henry Flagler's putting this railroad
to go through Florida into the Keys. He's hiring people.
So people from across the United States are coming there
as workers. Right, people die, they get killed on you know,
they have an accident or just get sick. Now, these
people are I don't want to say they're you know,

(01:27:27):
they're they're but they don't have no family ties. They're
not from the community. They just came there to work.
Sometimes they if they knew, they would contact the family
and say, look, you're so and so died. Sometimes they
didn't know. So what happens is this one doctor who
owned a piece of land out there. He says, go ahead,
just bury them here, all right. In some cases didn't

(01:27:48):
even know who they were. They would just open a
hole put the person that, you know, one of the
crew died there. You go fast forward a couple of years.
They finished the work on this bridge that's you know,
this railroad track and this bridge that's going south through Florida,
and all of a sudden, now that it's grown a
little bit more, he sells the land. And this is

(01:28:11):
eventually where they built, like around the turn of the century,
like I want to say, nineteen fifteen, nineteen twenty, they
built the elementary school there. And I'm not going to
say I do have a video on it, but I'm
not going to say exactly where it's at. But basically
it was built on an unofficial cemetery, and there's been sightings,

(01:28:31):
especially at the corners, you know, because basically the city
grew around that, and unless you really go back, you
never realize that that's the location of where they were
burying people. Because sometimes, you know, especially in South Florida
where there's hot, you know, bodies need composed quick. They're
not being embalmed, okay, so they need to like go

(01:28:53):
in the ground quick. There you go. Sometimes this is
the perfect recipe for a haunting. Yeah, or at least
creepy vibes at the very least.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
At least you know, I could have can't amage because uh,
it's not the children's the staff that worked at that school.
I'm sure have.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Stories that this. You can tell when you I went
on the grounds and went out there at night, and
you can tell this a very old school. You know,
they remodeled it through the years, but like everything and uh,
of course you know there's this doctor who's not he's
not going to lose out like what you were saying,
that make money and uh, you know now that they
need a piece of land to put a school on,

(01:29:31):
and it's like and I'm not going to dig up
all these people. And in some cases they weren't even
put in with you know, sometimes I didn't even have
a confident. They would just put in what they call
these winding sheets. And then you go, yeah, So anyway,
dig what has been absolutely wonderful to talk to you.
I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
You're the best.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Let me ask you. Are you well, I know you
you're planning another book, then right, you're you're percolating that
in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I am, and it might be less supernatural, but I
be more about cryptids, and I haven't out there in Virginia.
We do with Virginia and West Virginia, Maryland, and there's
so many, but there's a lot of them that have
been long and forgotten. So I've been really digging deep
into finding some of these things. It's amazing. I haven't

(01:30:21):
committed to it. I've written maybe, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Well, you know, it's really funny because some cryptids were
seen for like a little while, and they would disappear,
and then that begs the question, are some of these
things coming in through a portal? You know? And then
the portal that that's why they're seeing for only like
X amount of time, and then that's it. No more signings,
and then you know you got the cryptids. Well obviously
like big Food, like dog Man, which is the one
that's scares that you know what out of me?

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
But they get all they get all the glory.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
Something how many others I'm gonna mention this real quick.
As a I've never had a cryptids siding per se,
But as a hypnotherapist, I had people contact me who
had sightings that were in deep anxiety. It couldn't sleep.
These were men, by the way, that were calling me
to help for help. One guy even told me, I

(01:31:13):
want you to help me forget that what I saw,
And I said, I can't do that. There's no such thing,
you know. In other words, he wanted he wanted to
go back to the person he was before he saw
that because it tilted his reality so badly that he
wanted me to hypnotize them and take him like we're
gonna erase that part. And there was other you know.

(01:31:35):
I had a few people that that I worked with
with hypnosis because it caused them such a deep level
of anxiety to have witnessed something that just didn't square
it with him. It just and and by the way,
this is what I mean. One thing is when you think, oh,
there's a possibility of maybe a cryptid or bigfoot or whatever,

(01:31:55):
and it is the part actually see it or think
you see it whatever this is your brain is computing,
as in, this is real. I'm telling you, it does
something to your existence that just knocks it on its butt.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
So yeah, and it's one of the I always say.
I always say it's a bear. It's not always a bear.
Oh no, no, no, it's in fact, that's what I
was gonna call my book. It's it's not a bear.
But then I was like, no, let me not make
people mad. Let mean, I'll come up with a better title.
But it's only twenty pages and I'm still mulling it

(01:32:34):
over because I got so much stuff to do, you know,
like yourself, booking, the guests, for the artwork, producing, editing,
because as I didn't love myself enough or hate myself.
I did a second podcast as well, with Silver Drift
Wednesday and that one.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
What is that about? What is that podcast about?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
It's not not even remotely paranormal, but it's it's anything.
You could be a band, Okay, you could be a
you know, authors and you write horror filmmakers as actors,
but okay, nothing really sometimes paranormal kind of creeps.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
It's more like a freestyle type of podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
It's a variety style variety because sometimes you got to
step back because sometimes I suffer from like a little
paranormal burnout mm hm, because a lot of these things
they can get very emotional and very energy draining. You
kind of need a break and lift your spirits up
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Yep, Yes, most absolutely. Yeah, let me tell you something.
All I call everybody the hardcore paranormal investigators you and
this is a part. This is I know what you're
talking about. You're talking about mental but people that do
this really the there's times that I tell them if
you if you ever were engaged in this work for
a while, because I do a lot of consulting with

(01:33:45):
other people around the country back you know, as far
as the paranormal investigations, the real the real stuff, not
where you got to withdraw because it kind of affects,
it bleeds over into your real life. How that. Yeah,
but I understand what you're saying that you get that
you it's like I want to talk about something that's
not good, you know, or weird stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
Give me some give me something happy. Yeah, yes, bi weekly,
I'm thinking about going weekly on that one and uh,
those are usually on Sundays and then let's find out
comes out every I'm sorry, put us over a drive
Wednesday on Wednesdays. Uh, let's find that comes out on
every Sunday, you know the usual Spotify YouTube rumbles something.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
For the podcast listeners, how can they find you? Diego
as first.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Yeah, thank you for asking it. So I'm all on
the most. I'm on x as. You can find me
a podcast or podcast or Diego. I changed my my
handle recently on Facebook Diego the podcast or Instagram dig
of the podcaster. So those are the main three that
I use. And uh, I say hi, I give a
follow and uh definitely you know Spotify, YouTube rumble, and

(01:35:01):
you'll find me somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Yeah, I'll put a link in the credits of the show.
But like I said, you know, there's always the people
that are listening. That's why I always consider my podcast
listeners so that they can follow up. And because you're
also on YouTube, right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
I am in that show. I've done one episode so
forward video mm hmmm. That was for the for the
Wednesday edition by the North Pond Herbit, which is the
whole thing. It's a lot of fun and I usually
do slide shows. I do audio, but I'm going to
start creeping into the video more and more as I
get more comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Yeah, okay, absolutely again, it has been a pleasure to
speak to you. I hope you're going to come back
and you're gonna give me and I'm looking forward to
you know, even before you come out with your other books.
Believe me, I understand what you're talking about. Like there's
only so many things that you can do, and we
can talk some more paranormal or whatever. You know. It's
like if it's interesting, I don't care. I'm game four.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Thank you, my friend. I would love to be back on.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Take care till next time.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
You too, Till next time.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
Bye bye, bye bye bye. Oh he was great. See.
You know, when people's you know, and I always say
this because every time I've spoken to a guest that
has had childhood experiences depends also if it's terrifying or
not not. You know, usually when you get something like

(01:36:27):
what happened with him where it was let's face it,
even as a kid, you realize, what are a bunch
of people doing walking around in my in my hallway.
But then you have the people that have had as
a kid, like they see stuff that's really scary. It's
not like people walking up and down my hallway, like
that's weird. But they see sometimes ghosts or shadow people

(01:36:51):
or somebody in there, or just a feeling. Sometimes it's
just the feeling of dread that they know even as
a child. But overall, kids are very like he said,
open minded, accepting of these experiences. And I also think
partially that's a coping mechanism because as a kid, where

(01:37:12):
are you going to go? It's like, I mean, yeah,
you could call your parents and everything, but it's not
like an adult that says, well, I guess I'm gonna
move out of here like yesterday. When you're a child,
you are at the mercy of living where your parents live,
or your parent or whatever. LA's Way said, not all

(01:37:34):
parents can up and just like okay, So yeah, I
think that's part partially like a coping mechanism, like I'm
better deal with this the best way I can, which
is what it sounds like. Did he just got to
the point where he just stopped closing the door. And
that's really interesting because you know, it makes you think
they never came into his room, because that's another thing.

(01:37:55):
Sometimes you hear these childhood experiences where, let's say, for
the first signing will be let's say, in the hallway,
and then progressively whatever they're seeing, whether it's one or
more than one, figure starts getting closer and closer. Sometimes
they'll stop at the threshold of the room, and then
eventually they start coming into the room and then to

(01:38:16):
the foot of the bed. That's got to be the worst.
Let me tell you, wake up and see someone be
like ah man, i'd screen bloody murder like but no.
And one time I did an investigation with they're having
some paranormal activity. And it's a long story, but they

(01:38:39):
had one of the children. There was one girl left
that she was ten or eleven. She had like a
corner bedroom and whatever was going on in the rest
of the house would not go into her bedroom. Sometimes
she could feel something at the door. And then I

(01:39:01):
remember I asked them all I said, did anybody ever
do anything or something? She goes, well, she I believe
she had a front from work kind of do like
a blessing or something like a binding a ceiling okay
with the holy waters and other stuff at the entrance
to the girl's bedroom and was working. They were having

(01:39:22):
phenomena in the rest of the house. The rest of
the house, but nothing inside this kid's bedroom. The girl
she the girl would had some would sometimes see things
outside of her bedroom, but nothing whatever it was would
always stop at the threshold of her bedroom door of
the bedroom, right, So sometimes uh, and I mean that

(01:39:46):
was an that was an intensive investigation. There was a
lot of things that were going on there. And again,
you know sometimes that experience that he had with a
sleep paralysis. You know a lot of people will tell
you they'll have a sleep paralysis, but if they can
move one little thing, a toe, a finger, anything, any

(01:40:10):
movement will break it and then they can move. In
other words, like your brain is totally awake, but your
body's like I'm not moving and one stake, you can
move any little thing like in other words, you'll hear
people describe where they they're like trying with all their
might to move my finger. Because once they can do that,

(01:40:31):
then it breaks them out of that feeling. And then
sometimes when they're having some type of visual like what
he was seeing. But if he's let me tell you,
and that thing that basically he's having these experiences prior
to having some type of physical negative physical manifestation, all right,

(01:40:58):
and it's like what is that about this very interesting?
That's very very interesting. And again that thing that he's
being told he has this black tornado whatever that was,
and then he's months later he's having small attacks you know,

(01:41:20):
as somebody as an athlete, and or was it panic attacks,
which I know sometimes that mimics. I'm not going to
say asthmas is a different, but that that inability to
catch your breath like that, and again, and you know what,

(01:41:41):
that's why I asked him, like, and I know he
kind of like was very generalized about what he was
going on in his life. But I say it all
the time. You know a lot of people think that, oh,
you know, you hear about people going places and then
something when I say, you know, being being at certain places,
and everybody thinks, oh, you have to be actively engaged.

(01:42:03):
I'm gonna give you this for instance. I'm not saying
this is what happened with you. I'm just this is
an example. Let's say some people decid they're going to
do some occult stuff, we can bore, some weird shit whatever,
and you've got the main players of people that are
into it, and you know, and there's always the friends
that are hanging out and they're in the background watching
what's going on, and what a bunch of everybody thinks

(01:42:24):
that the only ones that can get affected negatively usually
are the people that are participating in what that activity
is or that event, and that if you're standing in
the back there somewhere by the wall watching what's going on,
it's like I'm safe. I'm like way back here and
I'm just saying what these dumbasses are doing, right, I'm
just watching. I'm sorry, that doesn't spare you. I've had

(01:42:46):
people that somehow when you get that, let's call it negativity,
let's be real broad with it. For some reason, it
targets certain people for whatever reason. Sometimes physically their health
is down if they are under a lot of stress,
emotional and or physical more than normal. Again, people, stress

(01:43:10):
is a normal part of life. It's a human something
that's beyond it. Almost knows that your auras weak. You're
like the weak link. So, yeah, you know what, maybe
these people are participating in and let's say Theuiji board,
whatever they're doing, or I don't know, they since they
knew that they were going to do, maybe they geared up,
they prayed, or they did something to themselves. But that

(01:43:32):
guy's standing a way back there in the corner. That's
my target. You know, if you summon something or you
call it forward because you're trying to communicate with it
or whatever it is that you're doing, even including up
to including in cemeteries, whatever or and I've said this before,

(01:43:52):
sometimes things walk with people that surround you that you
have no idea what it is. And you know, it's
almost like, for lack of a better word, almost parasitic,
where it will jump ship for some reason, it could
target you know, That's what I'm saying. That's why I asked,
and I said, what were you doing? Who were you with?

(01:44:14):
Where were you Because sometimes some of these things will
on you. And if you're stressed out or something's going
and this goes without saying, you know, if you're doing
drug use, hello, forget it. You're putting a big bulls
I like right here, but I mean same thing. You know,

(01:44:34):
alcohol is a drug whatever or something that that that
that that spiritual turbulence you're going on, it's like you're
opening yourself up for a lot of things, and sometimes
it goes away by itself because you're the person kind
of like feels I need to like, how can I say,
strengthen myself? And sometimes no, Sometimes people and you're severe

(01:44:59):
repercussion physically, spiritually from what happens. And most of the time,
I'll be honest with you, they really don't understand the
source unless you asked him what were you doing at
that time? Who are you with? What did you do?
And then they'll go, well, which he kind of generalize.
So maybe maybe that was a source of Maybe it wasn't,

(01:45:19):
maybe it was something totally different. It could have been
many many things. But here he is fast forward and
he looks like he's doing great, you know. And so
I'm like, I said, I'm going to put links to
the in the in the credits of the show so
that you could visit him and you know, check out
his podcast, and he's got the video version on YouTube.

(01:45:40):
But again, and I think about the Abba song, Oh
that's you know that? And I guess because people w say, well, Marlene,
that's scary about an Abba song. Come on, But again,
it's like, think about it. Here's his house that looks
like it's a band in or at least nobody's living here.

(01:46:01):
But a certain time of day they play the Abba
song really loud, for an hour, okay, which is pretty weird.
Let's face it, like very weird. Fast forward hundreds of
miles away. You hear at night, after everybody's asleep this
very which, by the way, begs the question, let's you know,

(01:46:21):
And I'm listening to him because here you're living in
this area where obviously everybody's asleep, so you would think, hey,
if somebody's out there cranking it up, everybody in the
household would have woken up, even neighbors might have woken up.
And you just see everybody like, where's that music coming from?
So obviously he's the only one that's hearing this. And

(01:46:41):
you know what, I gotta go look at the lyrics
of that song and check out what it says. Maybe
there was a message, you know, let's get convoluted, shall we.
Maybe there's a message in betting the lyrics of that
song that they were trying to like very interesting. So anyway, guys, Yeah,
I hear my guineas calling out there dark and I

(01:47:01):
can hear them squawking, and some of them sometimes do
that for no reason. But I'm always thinking some things
out there and I gotta I gotta go check them
out and see what's going on because you know, they've
let me tell you them. By the way, all my neighbors,
because this is very rule I hear, but it's about

(01:47:22):
my guineas, and everybody has to me, are they okay okay?
Because I heard them last night making noise. It's like, yeah,
they're okay, They're okay. God knows, they're just like they're fine.
But yes, so guys, till next time, don't forget. Sign
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(01:47:44):
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but I look at interesting articles from you know that

(01:48:05):
are coming out and do the paranormal and mostly stuff
that's not really sensationalized. But sometimes I come across these
articles and it's like bar is haunted in UK and
it's like, oh yeah, it's like real, and it's like, okay,
this is this is this is like beyond, this is
not this is not a good there's not a good article.
And I usually like more interesting articles that go in

(01:48:26):
a little bit more in depth as far as the
under the umbrella of the paranormal. So I read those.
So again, if you go to Miami Goes Chronicles dot com,
you're gonna find links all of that stuff in there.
I just released the like maybe a couple of weeks ago,
The Going from Marty Garral twenty twenty five, and let's see,

(01:48:49):
let's see what's happening in the next few weeks. Plus,
I've got a lot of great guests coming on. I
got good good guess. As a matter of fact, right now,
I'm about to close out season sex of Stories of
the Supernatural and going to Stories of the Supernatural season
in seventeen. Okay, So of course, anybody, if you're an author,
if you're a paranormal researcher, or if you're one of

(01:49:10):
these people that's just like I say, witness yet explained,
contact me and come on the show and I'll interview you.
All right, well, chit chat about the paranormal, you know whatever,
weird stuff. You know, cryptis just whatever, and it will
be a good conversation, so till next time. Thank you
again for spending this time with me and you are

(01:49:31):
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