Extraterrestrial Experience | Interview with Nomar Slevik | Stories of the Supernatural - Stories of the Supernatural

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I think you are all wonderful. So Hi, how's everybody
doing good? I hope everything is good here springtime everything

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is looking up odds. And I'll give you one of
my animal stories to emphasize what I'm talking about. Yeah,
it's spring, and as I don't know, maybe some of
you might know, I have guinea fowls, right, and they
roam around the acreage. But for some reason, since it's springtime,
I'm gonna they've done it before, but I haven't really
realized the timing on it. I guess it's because it's spring.

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They've decided to fly over my fence and just go
to the nake neighbors and around here everybody's on acres
of land. And then the little pea brains get stuck
behind somebody's fence and then you see them hustling back
and forth. Or you see me in somebody who word
my store that I was caught out with my boxer
shortstrna and I call it my my guinea rodeo, okay

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of me? You know in these country roads trying to rodeo.
These guineas are you know, into back into my yard.
I have to open up this big, you know, one
of my big sixteen foot gates to get him in there.
And late the other day they flew into this pasture
which is fenced, and it was like, unless you guys,
remember you know how to fly to get yourself out
of there, I'm not gonna go. Even though I know

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the people that live there, they like, get my guineas
out of there, I'm telling you, so the only thing
I can think of. By the way, they're well fed,
so it's not that they're looking for food. Believe me,
they got plenty of food around here. They've got acres
that they could wander. But no, no, no, So yeah,
spring is in the air most definitely. It's in the air.
And uh, I don't know. I guess it's just nature.

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I'm gonna chalk it up to that, all right before
it's like, all right, just stay lost. But I can't
help it because those guineas I got them as a
Mother's Day gift, like a couple of years ago, and
I got them as chicks. So basically I brought them
up for lack of a better word. So yeah, I
don't know about other people, but you kind of get

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attached to animals you get from when they're very small,
so yes, they are. Yeah. And oh and another thing,
I'm sure everybody's aware. You know the cost of eggs.
And it's like, once upon a time when I was
getting some extra chickens, I told my husband, you know what,
these chickens, they're worth their weight in gold, and he's like,

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come on, He's like manure, right, you know. And the
case in point, I mean I've gone to regular feet
stores now is about the time that they'll they'll bring
in chicks that you can buy, and they're empty. They're gone.
You go into the bins there absolutely there's nothing left there.
And I mean I have incubators, and I've incubated them before,

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but the problem with that is that you really have
no guarantee if you're going to get a hen or
a rooster, and somehow or other, it always you end
up getting more roosters than pullets or hens. And then
you end up with what I do, where I have
all these bunch of boy roosters running around giving me
a headache because to a certain age, they all get

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along and then they start fighting badly in some cases.
So I told myself, now, I'm not going to run
that risk of of you know, hatching on incubators. I
got plenty, I've got eggs that I could incubate. But
so yeah, that's where I'm at right now. So now
I've got to like skulk around one of these feed
stores and ask them when are you when are they
doing the next delivery of chicks, and then run over

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there and buy overpriced chicks before somebody else does away
with one of those deals. Ye know, it's like what
some of the things that you know you think about,
but yes, you know. But like I said, I've said before,
sometimes doll is good. Uninteresting is good because sometimes they
can get you know, in other words, interesting. Sometimes it's

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like hectic and you pull your hair out and it's
like God. So yeah, and one of those deals crazy stuff,
but not really crazy enough. I'm sure for some people
that it's very vanilla. There's nothing wrong with vanilla, I'll
tell you that much. But anyway, let's get onto the
good part. The good part is we have a guest
today as Stories of the Supernatural. His name is Nomre Slevic.

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He's an independent creator, researcher, and investigator in numerous aspects
of the paranormal. He delights in sharing stories through different
mediums such as books, documentaries, and podcasts. He's shared his
work with hundreds of thousands of enthusiasts and has maintained
a steady output of material for over twenty years. He's
been fascinated by all things paranormal since childhood, beginning with
a UFO encounter at four years old. His life's passion

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has been to research, investigate, right, and share UFO and
extraterrestrial encounters from everyday people in a way that conveys
the human element of profoundly strange encounters. Help me welcome him.
How are you doing today?

Speaker 2 (05:58):
No more doing good? Thanks so much for having me,
Marlen No.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
On the contrary, I'm going to ask you what was
that four year old? That experience you had as a
four year old? What happened?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Yeah, I had fallen asleep before my mom put me
to bed, and something loud woke me up in the
middle of the night. And when I say middle of
the night, you know I'm four years old. I don't
know if that's nine pm or three am, but it
was the middle of the night to me, and my
eyes are kind of looking around for an explanation of

(06:31):
what happened, okay, And I start hearing these light taps
at the window. So I look over there and I
see the skylight up and it turns out it was
rain and there's a thunder and lightning storm. So it
was like, oh cool. So I kneeled up on my
bed and started looking at the storm, you know, watching
it rain.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
And you're like, you're like, at this point, you're this
is there's nothing alarming in other words, right, just right.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah, nothing alarming so far the bad or whatever that
woke me up. I assumed it was thunder, and I'm seeing,
you know, quick flashes of lightning every once in a while,
and then after a moment, there was this really disturbing
lightning bolt and it was like, if I were to
ask you to draw a lightning bolt, you would draw

(07:18):
that jagged yellow line. Yes, And it was stuck in
a cloud or in the sky. It's hard to explain,
but that's how my young mind saw it, you know,
and it's how my adult mind remembers it. But there's
this lightning bolt stuck in the clouds, and there's electricity
coming off of it, there's booms associated with it, there's

(07:40):
a halo around the whole thing. And I'm not sure
what happened after that, other than I woke up the
next morning. I went to the bathroom and on the
way back from the bathroom to my bedroom, you can
see out my window and the lightning bolt was still there.
You know, I knew that was weird. You know, I

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didn't know what it meant, but I knew it was weird.
So I ran downstairs to get my father, and I
brought him all the way upstairs to show him the
lightning bolt in the sky, and by the time we
got there, it was gone. And I remember being pretty
like excited and animated and telling him, like, you know,
there was something there, and there was a storm and

(08:22):
it was raining, but he had to like get down
on my level. He knelt down, put his hands on
my shoulders and he's like, buddy, like it didn't even
rain last night. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
And wow. Yeah, So I thought that was strange, but
you know, the next shiny thing caught my attention and
I forgot all about it. A couple weeks later, I'm

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woking up again in the middle of the night, this
time by my father and he brings me downstairs, and
I see my mother shoving my sister into her winter clothes.
She does the same to me, and then my dad
scoops me up and we all go outside. Well, I'm
immediately frozen, and I live in Maine, and at the
time we were living at the tip of Maine, which

(09:04):
is even crazi or cold there. So my head is
like shoved into his chest, freezing, and he keeps telling me, buddy,
you gotta look up, you gotta look up. So after
I don't know how long, I finally like pulled my
head out of his chest and I look up and
I'm seeing these crazy colors, you know, like reds and blues,
and it was the Northern Lights. Okay, it's the only

(09:27):
time I've ever saw them. In twenty twenty four, when
they happened a bunch of times, it was always cloudy
around here. I can never see him.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Wow, you know.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
So I think those two things happening so close to
each other created like a core memory, and it told
me that weird stuff happens up there, so you should
probably pay attention. And yeah, I think I have been
ever since, you know, But that's kind of the catalyst
everything that started at all.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
And that's very interesting because that thing when you're falling,
I've told you it wasn't raining. Yeah, it's like for
a child to like be aware, you know something like that.
It's like, I don't know, kids don't make stuff like
that up.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Yeah, Yeah, a really peculiar thing, like very specific to
make up like that. There was a lightning bolt stuck
in the.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Sky that exactly. It's like, you know, kids will fit
about other things, but you know, not about stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Yeah. Like I didn't eat the cookie, I swear.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
But right at exactly exactly. So that was very unusual.
And then what happened you you did you ever have
any other experiences now that you look back in childhood?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Uh, in childhood specifically, Yeah, there's there was some other
stuff that happened extraterrestrial related, I don't think so. I
think that was the only one that I remember anyways, Okay,
but there were some haunting type things. I think we
lived in a haunted house when I was right at
that age, and when the UF.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Was it in that house that you were living at? Yeah,
and what kind of things happened there?

Speaker 2 (11:01):
There was a very specific thing that would happen for
quite some time. I don't talk about it too often,
but because it's really weird, so for a while, and
I don't know how long that is. I don't know
if it was months or years, but I was very young, okay.

(11:22):
I would go to bed and my room was right
next to my parents' room. You know, my mom would
put me to sleep, and I remember I would wake
up again middle of the night. I don't know if
that's ten minutes after she put me to bed, or
you know, if it's three in the morning, but I
would wake up and I would have like the sense
or see the essence of something standing in my doorway.

(11:45):
And I knew somehow, even though I couldn't see it
very clearly, I knew that it was an older man
and older in the sense of late fifties, early sixties,
something like that, okay, and it was it was angry.
I don't know why it was angry, but it would
hang out in the doorway of my room for a

(12:08):
little while, and it kind of had this routine. So
that would happen, and then after a little while it
would come in the room and stand right beside my bed,
and at that point I could really feel its anger
like oppression, you know. And I didn't know that's what
it was at the time. I just knew that this
thing was mad at me. And I could also smell alcohol.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah. And so that would happen for a little while,
I'm not sure how long, and then I would open
my eyes again because I think I would like cower,
you know. Yeah, yeah, in different stages, And at one
point I knew I can't remember if I took my
head out and looked. I must have at some points,
but again, there was only the essence. It was almost

(12:54):
like it was, you know, wispy or something. But I
recall that after it was standing by the bed, the
next thing it would do it was leaning right over
the bed, right in front of my face, and it
was just so angry, like I could in my mind's eye,

(13:15):
I could see its face just being like so angry,
you know, and I could smell the alcohol, and I knew,
I knew it wanted to harm me sexually, okay, And
I just thought that was crazy. And I guess I
didn't know like sexually like at the time, I just

(13:35):
knew it was hurt me in a different way kind
of right, And you know, I kind of put it
together as I got older that that's what I think
it wanted to do. But anyways, finally it would like disappear,
and it was like this routine, and it would happen
fairly often, not every night, and for a while, and
as soon as he would disappear, I'd get up and
run into my parents' room and sleep in them, in

(13:57):
between them for the rest of the night, for you know,
safety and comfort. And I didn't tell them specifically or
all the specifics that I laid out here. I just
said that there was, you know, a scary man in
my room something like that.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
And what did they chalk got up to a bad
dream or what?

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Yeah? Yeah, mostly maybe my mother thought there was something
to it because she believes in ghosts and all that
good stuff. And you know, my dad is the one
who's the skeptic. But my dad.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
The reason why I ask you is because I was thinking,
I wonder if your parents were having their own That's
the thing. Parents have their own experience, but they don't
say anything to the kids so the kids won't get scared.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Well, later on you find out everybody was having something
going on.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, you know, my sister has never shared anything with me,
and my mom has had her own encounters, not like
mine specifically, but she did have some encounters that she
shared with me. But but yeah, that long were.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
You guys living at that house for a while or what?

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Uh? Yeah, yea, yeah, you know, I think since my
sister was born, she's older than me. Uh, probably stayed
there for I don't know, you know, a good eight
ten years.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
It's a long time.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, then we moved out of the area completely.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
But yeah, and you never knew was it an older
house or you And I understand when you're a kid,
you really don't think about those things as far as
like an old house or anything like.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
You know, it was a duplex and you know, to
me it looked nice and you know, but I don't know,
I couldn't tell you. It's interesting. I'm sure I've talked
to my father about it, you know, when I was
in my twenties or something like that, but I can't
remember like how old it was or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, and that doesn't really mean anything, because you know,
you're can have weird stuff. You didn't modern houses. I mean,
that's sure. The crepit haunted houses is like that's not
the only places that get a ghost in there.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, so you moved away, I must have been a
relief though no more, you know, no more.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Visits in the night. Yeah, I guess, you know, because
we moved away, and I was considerably older, you know,
I think I was like in third grade or something
by the time we moved away. So those weird things
had you know, the UFO thing happened once when I
was four, and the weird man in the doorway. That
happened like four or five, six years old, and then

(16:12):
like it kind of stopped, and I don't even remember
when it stopped. I had some other like visual not
really impairment things, but you know, I would see the
only way I can describe it is using an etch
a sketch at a really fast speed, you know, making
these tight turns and all these little geometric patterns, and

(16:35):
I would see it. I would close my eyes and
I would see the stars, and then I would see
these geometric patterns happen. And that lasted for quite a while,
even after I moved and that was really strange. And
to this day, at night, you know, and the lights
are off, I see everything in black and white. Right,
And you know, I've come to find out that that's

(16:57):
not how people typically things now. If there's even a
hint of light, you know, color starts.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Growing, right. But otherwise it's monochrome.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, it's monochrome and it's snowy. And you know, I'm
older now, but that was that was happening back, you know,
when I was a kid as well. It kind of
looked like a snowy TV screen and everything was monochrome.
And I even talked to an optometrist about it, you know,
getting my eyes checked, and he thought it might be

(17:28):
a neurological issue, okay, and I disagreed.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
And uh, you know, think that that was the case,
you would it wouldn't matter if it was daylight or
nighttime or anything, the lighting. You would still see.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
It happened all the time. But yeah, yeah, it's it's
strange and I don't know what to make of it,
and it's not you know, it doesn't hinder my life
in any way, so you know, it's.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Okay to it is what you get used to. So
let me ask you, and this is the differentiation. Did
you ever have any more encounters at when you're at
home as far as with ghost or anything along those lines.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
In the old place or.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Well, no, once you moved out here, you're growing up,
let you leave.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh okay, Yeah. I've had lots of strange encounters throughout
my life, a lot of them extraterrestrial. I've seen a
lot of UFOs. I don't think I've been abducted or anything,
but I really think you know, what happened when I
was young really propelled me into studying and collecting stories
on the phenomenon, and that turned into a passion of

(18:30):
writing and creating podcasts and documentaries and things like that.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
And the reason why I point that out is, you
know when people house this, when people go out their
legend tripping or ghost hunting or whatever, it's different than
when you when it when it's in your house. You
know what I'm saying, Like what you just said, where
you're sleeping and you see all of a sudden there's
somebody framed in the doorway and the next thing you know,
he's standing over you. That takes all the fun out

(18:55):
of the ghost hunting thing. You know. And I was saying,
it's like, wait, I didn't sign up for this part. Yeah,
that's that's what changes the dynamic, same thing as far
as you know UFOs. I want to say, you know
what if I think, okay, you cite a UFO, that's different.
But then you hear about these people where they're getting
ET visitations and and or abductions, and it's like that

(19:16):
that will changes the whole thing, because you know, when
you see a light in the sky, you know, for
all we know that UFO is man made, you know,
I really don't know. But then that other part, you
know that that changes the whole experience. And I know
there's a lot of people with UFO experiences that they're
like okay with it or ET experiences, and there's others like, now, man,

(19:39):
it's not for me. What what what? What's been your
experiences or things that have happened to you?

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Well, as far as you know the E T stuff,
I've seen a lot of things in the sky that
I can't identify, but I do admit that a lot
of them, probably the majority is probably misidentification. I just
don't know what I'm looking at. But there's been a
few where, you know, irrational explanation doesn't make sense. So

(20:09):
case in point was actually on a paranormal investigation in
a town that was like an hour and a half away,
and we were done for the night, and we had
packed up, and you know, we had separate cars, and
so I took off on my own. But while I
was packing the car and I was still like parked
on the street, I saw this weird cylindrical thing, like

(20:35):
just above the street lights. So it was very low,
and it was almost like a circular sparkler, you know
when you light a sparkler and how that looks. This
was completely circular, and it had the sparks all the
way around it, and it was very fluid and it
was like floating in the sky. There was no sound

(20:57):
like how you hear a sparkler. There was no sound
at all. But I'm watching this thing and I'm like,
wh what the hell's that? And it's golden color, and
I'm watching it float and again it's just above like
the street lights, and then it gets a little bit
higher and it's kind of like roof height of some
of the apartment buildings and houses. And then it just
kind of like turns and goes down another street. And

(21:18):
I walk over to the corner and I look and
it's gone completely gone at that point, and I was
just coming off a paranormal investigation. The other people had left.
I turned around to look at the place that we
just investigated, and all the lights were off, so I
know that the homeowners had already gone to bed. I'm
sure they're waiting for us to get the hell out

(21:39):
of there, because it was like three in the morning
at this point. So you know, I was like, oh,
should I go tell them what I just saw? But
all the lights were off, so I was like, no,
just go home. So, you know, I finished packing up,
I go home. Or I'm driving home now and it's
like an hour and a half away, and I'm on
this stretch of the highway where it's about thirty minutes
of just dark and trees, like there's no street lights

(22:02):
or anything, and you know, it's it's like a thirty
mile stretch. And as I'm driving, I see this red
circle that looks just like the Sparkler thing, but this
one's red, not gold, and it's almost like it shoots
from one side of the road to the other, and
it did this big arc like way above the tree line,

(22:24):
and it was this weird sparkly thing that was fluid.
It looked just like the other thing, but it was
red wow, And I'm like, what the hell's going on?
And I'm driving home just from a paranlel investigation. I
got coast to coast on and these strange things.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's a perfect thing, right, Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
I'm like, what the hell? And you know, and you
just you want so bad to rewind it, you know,
and you just can't. And I'm like, what was that?
You know? So, I mean, you know, I can't say
they're extra terrestrial, but it was something strange in the sky,
and I don't know what the hell it was. It
certainly wasn't conventional. And to see them that late, you know,
it was weird because I think the first one was
like probably you know, between two thirty and three I saw,

(23:05):
and then the second one, you know, I was into
the drive a little while, so I probably saw that
at like three thirty three forty five or something.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
So yeah, and I'm sure you've heard that, you know,
once upon a time, paranormal and euphology was two separate things,
you know, don't cross the streams. Yeah, but then you've
hear more and more people have like they'll have a
UFO siding, and then they start having paranormal experiences in
their home or to themselves. Yep, And they look and

(23:32):
they say, okay, what was you know, what was the
triggering event? It was like, yeah, after I saw that UFO. Yeah,
and you would think, okay, what is one thing they
have to do with the other. But maybe somehow they're connected.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Yeah, you know, maybe it's all the same stuff. And
when we look at it through all these different lenses.
First of all, we should stop doing that in my opinion,
but when we look at them through different lenses, where
I feel like we're assigning different words for the same stuff. Yeah,
you know, all too often you can read a ghost
story and it sounds like it could be an entity
in a house type of story, you know. Or it's

(24:07):
really interesting how these stories can depending on the perspective
and lens that you're viewing it through. It could be extraterrestrial,
it could be a ghost story, could be a cryptied story,
it interdimensional ulter dimensional, you know. And I feel like
they are probably all under the same.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Exactly the same thing. With ecrypted sidings, you'll have where
they've seen, you know, an uptick of UFO signings coincide
with an uptick of cryptid sidings, whether it's Bigfoot or
something else. And it's like, I mean, do they you know,
some people say, are we talking about are these creatures
coming in or out the portals that open up? You know,

(24:45):
here we're going with the idea that UFOs somehow are
intradimensional versus you know that we think of in linear travel.
That's another question and we still don't quite understand. Yeah, yeah,
you know, like a and we're in the middle of it,
going wow, yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Is crazy, you know. But I've been doing this for
quite a while, you know, invesigating and researching and talking.
I've interviewed hundreds of people, and as long as I've
been doing it, you know, I'm not any closer to
any answer, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Asking, and I'm sure you have. Have you ever had
people tell you I've never told this to anybody, but
oh yeah, isn't that great way they because they've kept
it to themselves, Because some people are really I tell people,
despite you know, even now lately with all this thing
of the paranormal shows and everything, there's still a lot
of people that like want They're like, I'm not going
to talk about that.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, there's still room for scrutiny,
and that sucks, but it still happens. But I think
it's becoming more and more accepted, and that's good. You know,
I want people to feel comfortable reaching out. But there's
you know, of all the stories that I tell and share,
you know, there's there's almost as many that I've been
told not to share. And you know that's okay too.

(25:58):
But as long as I could have been.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
They had like a little mini therapy session. Yeah, they
were able to tell you the story and then, by
the way, don't tell anybody about it. But that feels
great now that I just let go away.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, And I love that if I can be a
non judgmental ear for someone. Sure, yes, I don't have
to share your story. That's just a that's a passion
of mine. You know, you don't have to worry about that.
I'll you know, their stories someplace else. But yes, yeah,
you know, so I think I've been that for a
lot of people.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, I think that I've spoken to people that when
you listen to them, there's like you've been carrying this
around for years, for years, because they don't want to
be known as that person for whatever what that you know,
but it's the family, work, friends, you know, it's.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Like whatever world they find themselves in.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
And sometimes they even pretend to be hardcore skeptics by
the way they pretend, you know, and until they do that,
you know, whethery' by by yourself, by themselves with you
and they say, well, you know what, once this happened
to me, You're like, oh, yes, it's isn't it. But
it's and that that's the thing, because I'm thinking to myself, Okay,

(27:10):
whether you know, we're talking here definitive proof, whether it's
a paranormal or etsufos, et cetera, et cetera. Who think, Okay,
there's people that maybe are lying, and there's people maybe
that are mistaken and what they saw even though they
genuinely believe. But then that still leaves so many people
when you hear all these random stories like what you've described,
where it's like, okay, everybody's lying, everybody's illusion come on, right, right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, Like I can't say I believe everybody that I
talk to. I would say even like eighty five ninety
percent of the time I believe that they believe it, right,
But there's like ten percent where yeah, I'm pretty sure
what you just told me is real. I can't prove it,
but I believe you, you know, one hundred percent. And
I mean you.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Had had that one experience. Though. I've had people that
how can I say this that they're not first of all,
they're not looking to have the experience, okay, unexpected. It's
like and maybe they've only had it one one time,
whether it's a signing of a ghost or anything, or
you feel that one but that one experience though kind
of like it's you know, the BC and AD, you know,

(28:16):
before the siding and after the siding, the reality shifts
because that one experience.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
They had, Yeah, it made them a believer.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Or whatever, yes, or like, man, maybe things aren't. That's
the way I thought of reality as.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Hey, if if it can open somebody's mind, I mean
we need that more than ever right now. So sure,
sure people I can appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
I think there's certain personalities and I'm sure you've run
across somewhere. It's like I want like don't don't don't
give me horizons with fuzzy edges, like because if that exists,
maybe there is a lot mess monster where there is this,
you know. In other words, all these things that are oh,
come on, it's like, well, if that exists, then that
could exist, and that could exist. And some people, their personalities,

(29:00):
they're the ones that don't want you to shift their
existence too much. Yeah, and let me ask you, have
you ever heard a story that when they told you,
and I'm sure you must have heard a lot of
good stories that you.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Went what yeah, yeah, one immediately pops to mind. Okay,
So there's this gentleman. It wasn't even that long ago.
I don't remember the exact date, but you know, it
was like within the last you know, five six eight years.
He's from a very remote rural area and had since

(29:33):
moved to a bigger city, but he would come home
to visit his parents from time to time. So he's
doing that one summer, and something he likes to do
is to roll a joint, go out on the front
lawn and smoke it and look at the sky. So
he's got his joint, he's got a lawn chair in

(29:54):
his arm, and he's walking down to the front lawn
and while he's doing that, he hears like this hissing
sound or something above him, and it's very high up,
but it's like you know, and so he turns around
quick and he's like, what the hell is that? All right? Nothing,
So he keeps walking and then there's a flash of
light and another hissing sound and it's behind him. So

(30:17):
he stops walking and turns around. It's like, what the
hell is that? All right, I'm not going to move
until it happens again. He hasn't even lit the joint
yet that goes back in the pocket.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
He's preoccupied, yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
So he's standing there and he's like, what is happening?
And then all of a sudden, up in the sky
and it's a beautiful, starry night, black sky, rural, no pollution,
no light pollution, and he sees this square in the
sky and it starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger,

(30:52):
and it becomes so big that he's trying to measure
it from the constellations. Okay, you know, like I can
see it from here to here, so it's massive, like
it's probably maybe hundreds of miles wide, you know, this
huge thing in the sky. And then as he's watching it,
all these white lines from the side of this white

(31:13):
box start converging into the middle of it, and they're
getting tighter and tighter, and there's more white lines coming in,
and it gets to the point where it looks like
a snowy TV screen. While that's happening, every once in
a while, there's like this weird electrical.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Hiss that's what he was hearing.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
That's what he was hearing, and it's coming from it, okay,
and he's like, what is happening. So these white lines
are converged in the center of now this rectangle. It
kind of looks like he said, like you know, our
flat screen TVs. It kind of looks like that up
in the sky. And these white lines are converging into
the middle. That the square goes away and the lines

(31:55):
start converging all into the middle, very very tight, until
it makes this white round ball. So now he's watching
this white round ball. This is all happening within you know,
twenty thirty seconds. Okay, he's watching this white round ball,
and it's getting smaller and smaller and smaller, and then
it finally gets to a very small size, like bigger

(32:17):
than a star though right, smaller than the moon, bigger
than a star, and then it just shoots off with
like this one last hissing electricalze, and he's like, what
the hell, what just happened?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Where is that gooint?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
So, you know, he goes back inside. He's done for
the night. He actually stayed out for a little bit
just watching the sky. See anything else happened. Nothing happens,
So he's like, okay, I'm going to go back in.
He can't stop thinking about it. He doesn't sleep well.
He wakes up in the morning and he decides that
he's going to walk over to where he thinks this
thing developed in the sky.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
He doesn't know if it was celestial height and it was,
you know, hundreds of miles, or if it was much
smaller and much closer to the ground. But he the
way he saw it, it was kind of hovering, if
you will, over a field that's like a mile from
the house. So he starts walking and he's in this
field and he's like, I know it was around here somewhere,

(33:18):
and he happens upon almost like this weird crop circle.
It was all of this wheat vegetation had been burned
in the form of a check mark, okay, And he
didn't know what to make of it. He had this
old phone on him, this old I think it was
a flip phone on him, and he took a picture

(33:38):
of it, and he said he eventually lost the phone
so he couldn't provide a picture in it. He really
beat himself up about that, you know, losing the picture.
But that's basically his whole story, you know. So he
sees this in this guy he's making weird noise, and
then he sees this weird checkmark crop circle and right,
you know, he doesn't know what to make of it.
And then I talked to him, you know, a few

(33:59):
years later, and he tells me this crazy story. I'm
like that, that is wild man. Thank you so much
for sharing it. And you know, I have I have
no answers for you, but I'm going to dig around
to see if I can find anything that's remotely related
to what you saw, you know, and because I've never
heard of anything like that, so I dug and dug
and dug, and you know, once in a while I
would find something that's like a square ufo was seen,

(34:21):
or a cubed ufo, but it's still nothing like what
he saw. But I did come across this story. I
can't even remember if it's in the United States now,
it's in my book, but I can't you know, I
don't remember all the details except for it was a
young boy and he looked up in the sky and
there was a square hole in it, and he said
he saw creatures looking down through the hole, you know,

(34:45):
And I was like, whoa, that's that's freaking weird. So
I sent him that story just because it was at
least they saw the scry opening in the sky, you know,
But not a lot of stories like his.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
You know, you're thinking to me, I was thinking portal
kind of. I don't know. I mean, that's well, what's
the thing I can think of?

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Right, so strange you know that is.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Way out there. Yeah, that is way out there. And
then that crop circle thing, and I tell you, yeah, strange,
and it's it's how's this It's undramatic but dramatic at
the same time.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. Like it's very innocuous and chill,
and it lasted like thirty seconds. But you know, when
you break it down, when you write it out, which
is why I love the writing process, you can really
break down how insane the sighting was.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Did he ever have before or after any other type
of like UFO or et or that.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Was it not to his knowledge in that sense. After
before there might have been some lights in the sky
and you know, and things like that, but but nothing
like what he can And.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
That's the thing. When you live out in a rural
area where there isn't light pollution, you do see the skies?
Is there so much easier to see? Yeah, stars and
especially or something looks like it's moving like that's not
a star right right, you know, well that's not a
plane either. Yeah, So you know what is it when

(36:11):
you leave out live out in those areas, that's that
you get more of an opportunity too, you know. And
like I said, sometimes even now, you know, because I'm
sure you've heard of all these conspiracies that hey we
have you know, we have a flying thing that are
that's us. You know, it's not an ET in there,
it's us, right, you know. So sometimes you know, for

(36:33):
all the times that we think it was you know,
ET behind the wheel, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
It's very possible. And there's even stories, you know, from
the forties, fifties, sixties that it still sounds like it
might have been us, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, a lot of stuff, a lot
of you know, and maybe it's both. You know, the
As a matter of fact, earlier today, I was reading
an article about, you know, the other conspiracy that they
have going on about the Moon, you know from where
you know, like that, why did na send that return
to the Moon after you know, the Apollo, you know,

(37:06):
all those expeditions out there, and as supposed that they
even did go out there, but they kept a hush hush,
and you know from that to that that it's basically
not it's it's basically of how's this a spaceship that's hollow?

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, you know, almost like a satellite, but in the
mechanical sense, because it's technically I think the Moon is
technically a satellite, but like in the mechanical sense.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
But they were saying that one of the things that
they were explaining is that it has craters. But they say, which,
of course, you know you think are come are from meteors,
but they are all more or less the same depth,
which you say, normally that would not happen because if
you get meteors striking at a different you know, speeds
or sizes, you're going to have that. And it was

(37:56):
really it was really an interesting stuff, like with the
what ifs. I was like, wow, oh, you know all
this time and that they say, normally, if we would
have had a satellite, which is what the moon is
for the Earth, it would have been much smaller, all right,
that the proportion of the Moon out to the Earth.
Normally we would not have had such a large satellite.

(38:18):
And I was like, okay, I've never heard of that.
You know, you always think of Okay, so yeah, I
mean there's a lot of things out there that it's like, wow,
talk about a Pandora's box.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Let me ask you, since it sounds like you've done
paranormal investigations, have you ever gone on investigations where it's,
for lack of a better word, it's followed you home
or it's bled into your regular life.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
For sure? It actually for us. Anyways, it happened a lot.
It would typically it would dissipate, you know, after like
a couple of weeks. Yes, but I remember the first
time it happened. It really scared me. I had gotten
home from an investigation and I finally laid down. I

(39:06):
think this is a really late one, like we didn't
get home to like five in the morning or something,
so you know. I finally laid down. The sun's already up,
and I'm laying down and it's very quiet, like I'm
about to fall asleep any second. And my upstairs at
the time was all carpeted, and I could hear something

(39:26):
walking on the carpet and it entered my room and
it wasn't the cat, and I knew that whatever it
was was now standing right at my bed, and at
the time, my mattress was on the floor, and I
knew if I opened my eyes, I was going to
see something. And I really didn't want to see it.

(39:50):
And I could just feel its presence, and it was
inches away from my face, you know. So I was like, okay,
just do it in your eyes. It's fine, it's gonna
be fine. Nothing's gonna happen. If they wanted to hurt you,
they would have done it already, you know, right, So boom,
I opened my eyes and I see a pair of
feet and then they disappear. Wow, And I was like, whoa,

(40:14):
you know, so I have the whole heart jump out
of my chest thing. I probably yelled a little, but
immediately it disappeared, and I'm like, oh no, okay, So
I think something followed me home, and so I told
the team about it, like once I woke up and everything.
And for the next you know, a few days, every
other day whenever, I would hear the closet, like the

(40:36):
linen closet in the bathroom open, and it was one
of those you know panel doors, you know that.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yes, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, I don't even know how to describe it. That's
crazy anyway, but you I could hear that open, okay,
and it would never close. And I the first time
I heard it, I was like, Oh, is the cat
getting in there? What the hell is the cat doing that?
So I get up and look and there's no cat,
but the door's open. I'm like, okay, maybe I scared
them when I got up, you know, I scared that,

(41:08):
so I close it, you know, And then I would
find it open more often than not during like this
two week timeframe, and I would hear it every once
in a while, but I never saw it open by
itself or anything. But I would just find it open.
And that was basically all that happened. I never saw
anything again, but the closet door.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
Would open when you said feet, was it bare feet
or were they shoes? Bare feet?

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Feet? You know, and I perceived it as female for
whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Okay, okay, that's interesting. Let me ask you. And I
don't know if you remember in that investigation that you
went to, was there, oh god, any suspect there that
would have fit the bill?

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Probably I don't recall at the time. Okay, I don't
recall now, but at the time, I'm sure like we
put that stuff together. All that's left with me, you know,
because you know.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
This was that would be the same for me. It'd
be like what happened to the investigation. I can't remember,
but I do remember the pair of feet?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah that uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
When I did investigations, that happened a couple of times.
And I remember I had taken to smudging my vehicle,
including the trunk, and because we would we would leave
and then you know, everybody like would go their own ways,
but we would stop, usually at a gas station or
a BK or somewhere just to talk real quick before
we hit the road. And I remember they would see

(42:22):
me open my trunk of my car and smudge and
there they're like, what are you doing, Marley? Like I
was like, I know what I'm doing. I know what
I'm doing, and the no hitchhikers please. And I remember
one other time one of the girls, and she was
pretty experienced, but it still happened. She called me the
next day and she tells me, Hey, you know what,
I think somebody's with me. I think somebody came home

(42:43):
with me. And she she's it was really funny because
she says, she goes, and I feel like it was
like some type of either young man or young teenage boy.
She goes and she says, I feel like I'm in
the kitchen, you know, when somebody's looking over your shoulder,
what are you cooking? Kind of deal. But she knew
enough that after a couple and you know, she didn't
try to engage in conversation or any type of communication.

(43:05):
She says, sure enough, after two or three year days,
it just went away. Yeah, it just went away, and
that was it. But yeah, sometimes it's not even who
you there. You might have a flee free floater that
nobody knows about that designs that Hey, you know, I
think you can hear or see me, or there's something

(43:26):
about you that reminds me of you know, filling the blank.
I think I want to come home with you. Let's
see what happens. Yeah, the the you know, not how's
this like when you were talking about that childhood experience
that you got the feeling that this was a really
angry entity whatever. And then there's others. Not a question

(43:48):
of anger, it's just a question of maybe I I
want to be like, maybe lost a little bit or
confused kind of deal. Yeah, and they hook up with
you because, like I said, you might be a nice person,
or you might have some type of abilities, or you
remind them of somebody, and they're just hoping somebody will
tell me, Hey, like, why doesn't anybody talk to me?

(44:10):
Why doesn't anybody see me? That kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I feel like I've come across some of those as well.
And you know, if we can be a vessel or
you know, just somebody to talk to for a moment,
you know, I hope it helped, you know, Sure.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Sure, And and and the reason why I bring that
up is, you know you're gonna hear of these different
paranormal investigators that have by the way, the Flips side
of that, I've gotten very serious attachments because of where
they went to. Number one, I want to say they
were unprotected like they they it's really funny they're paranormal investigators,
but they don't take it seriously enough, right And or

(44:50):
they went to some place thinking it was something and
it turns out that what was there was much darker,
and in some cases might have even been non human.
In other words, you underst to make the what's there.
And I don't know if you've ever ran across this
when you were doing your investigations, where some homeowners on
purpose will understate how bad the problem is because they're

(45:15):
concerned that the group might decide not to go if
they really tell you maybe how dark the currents of
the arm. So they'll say, oh, we heard this and
we think something's going on, and then when the group
gets there, then they start finding out, wait a minute,
this is not just so you know, we hear, like
you said, a smell or a not or maybe something,

(45:37):
there's something here that's much I hate to use a word,
but malevolent.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
And you know, I don't. I think we're pretty lucky
as a team where we didn't really come across that.
Everyone was pretty upfront. We came across one place where
the homeowner just didn't know how bad it was and
they lived in like a small, a part complex, like
there was four apartments in there, and they were having
trouble in theirs. But we gained access to the entire basement,

(46:06):
not the entire place, but the entire basement, and we
ended up uncovering a lot of you know, something malevolent.
We feel really and you know, so that was just
something they were unaware of.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Were the other people in the other apartments having experiences
or was.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
It just they wouldn't talk to us. I think two
of the apartments were empty, okay, and the other people
wouldn't talk to us for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
You know, I get it. I get it. Some people
like I don't talk about it. It doesn't exist, right, But yeah,
and you know what, now that you mentioned the basement,
I don't know what it is about basements and sellers
that whatever you find there is usually pretty bad. You know,
you'll have the rest of the house and then everybody
will go but down in the basement or down on
the cellars, like well, you know, like you can pay

(46:51):
me to go down there. Even when people, you know,
they convert it into like living.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Space, it's still creepy. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
There's something I don't know if it's the thing that
it's buried into the earth or what. But you always
a lot of the stories that I've heard and or
investigations that have to do well with subterranean whatever. Yeah,
there's it's more intense.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
How's that sure? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
As far as the experience.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, and I you know, I would feel like that's
my experiences as well. You know, there's there's always some
sort of vibe that's off. It seems like, you know,
whether it manifests into something really scary or not, there's
just something about those subterranean spaces that that feels off.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It's like, you know, and I'm thinking myself, Okay, this
is not claustrophobia, because I guess everybody's claustrophobic up to
a certain partint Sure, yeah, and let me obviously you
can see. Have you ever gone to any of these
places and actually seen an apparition?

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah? A couple of times. Yeah, what happened one of them?
We had done this when I brought some people in
because we were just like straight up investigators and if
there was any sort of smudging or some sort of
ritual that the homeowners wanted performed, we would bring different
people in to do that, okay, And so we did
on this particular place, and we must have investigated there

(48:15):
seven eight nine times, and we were just always collecting
massive amounts of evidence, you know. So they just wanted
to be rid of whatever was there, you know. And
I'm like, I don't know if we can do that,
but let me bring somebody in and see if they
can help. So we bring these people in and they
do assault ring around the entire residence, and they left

(48:35):
open this area that led out from the basement, and
we had these K two's set up in the basement,
and they went and they smudged the entire house after
the salt ring, and they were saying something. I'm not
sure what they were saying. I wasn't with them. And

(48:56):
they were trying to like expel whatever is in the
house all the way down to the basement and then
hopefully out of the basement with that salt ring, you know,
keeping them following that path of the salt ring out
of the basement. So all of that happens, and now
I'm outside and they're trying to get everything collected into

(49:19):
the basement and then out, and I decide to stand
outside to see if I can see anything that that's happening.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
I'm right outside the basement door, outside though, so that
we have K two set up along a path in
the basement, and they would radio me and said, K
two number one is going off. Oh wow, K two
number two is going off. And it was following this
path out to outside. And this happened a handful of times,

(49:46):
or more than a handful of times, and at one
point while I'm outside, I never saw anything, but at
one point outside, finally I see these two white legs
step outside and it's just the legs. I don't see
a torso or anything. And the legs like turn towards
me like it's looking at me, like it's like yeah.

(50:06):
I'm like, oh no. And so my guys, I see
a pair of.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Legs right, I don't know what it has to say.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
And they're like what yeah, And I'm like, yeah, I'm
seeing a pair of legs. And I had a camera
with me, a video camera, and I held it up
and it wasn't on screen.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
And I'm like, uh, okay, interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Put the camera down, could see it. Put the camera up,
can't see it. It was crazy. So that lasted, you know,
four seconds, you know, like it wasn't very long, but
it was long enough to be like, oh my, yeah,
that was crazy, right. So it's still happening though, the
K two is still happening, you know when things are
apparently leaving, you know. So anyways, we kind of get
done or it slows down. There's no more path walking

(50:48):
that we're seeing with the K twos lighting up. So
I'm still outside and now I'm looking in the field
behind the house, okay, and I see this tree that
never there before, and it's like, you know, like kind
of like the size of a Christmas tree. So basically
in the night, I'm seeing like this dark triangle standing

(51:09):
in the field and it's kind of wobbling back and forth,
and I'm like, what the hell is that? There's no
tree that's there. That's crazy. So I start walking towards it.
It's probably one hundred yards away from me, so I
just start walking towards it. I'm getting closer and closer,
and I'm still looking and it just looks like kind

(51:30):
of like this blurry black tree and it's continuing to
go side to side, and as I'm getting closer, I'm like,
why am I feeling anger? But it's not my own.
I feel like something's mad at me. It kind of
reminds me, you know, it brings me back to the
childhood thing, you know, right, And I'm like, okay, whatever
that is is mad at me. This is crazy. So

(51:51):
I get like, within I don't know, forty yards of
it and I am literally looking like at this black
triangle that looks or and it's swaying back and forth
like a tree. And I hold up the camera to
record it. I'm radioing the team to let him know
what I'm seeing. And I hold up the camera to
record it, and it's not on screen, and I'm doing

(52:12):
the thing again, you know, not there there, not there there.
So I'm like, what the hell and then it blinks out, whoa. Yeah,
I'm like wow. And so that whole thing probably lasted,
you know, twenty five thirty seconds, you know, as I'm walking.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Thinking, God, he's getting closer to the thing.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
It's like but you know, I didn't know what it was.
And I think after all of the investigations and you know,
the K two conversations and history that we uncovered, it
seemed like this area, which was a former funeral home,
it seems like this Yeah, it seemed like this residence
had all of these spirits or something in the basement,

(52:53):
and there was one that was kind of in charge
and kind of a jerk. We don't think he was
demonic or anything stupid, right right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
kind of kept everybody in line, but in a jerky way.
And I think it was him or her that I
saw that was that black triangle and it was just
like pissed that it was.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Yeah, And you know what, And it's really funny because
a lot of times people think that I've described as
you know, you always think of a ghost as being
like some you know, human like or shadow figure, but
I've heard of people actually saying, like you said, kind
of the ship of an inanimate object tells that.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yeah, kind of.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
It's like what is that like, it's not it doesn't
have let's say, a human outliner or an animal.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
It's just like why it looked out, but it's.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Emanating something out. Yeah, what happened today after you guys
left it? Did you ever hear from that family again?

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Oh? For sure. Yeah. We checked in with them a
bunch and they said things were great for a long time,
and I think there was like we had stopped investigating
at this point because it's you know, this was like
like fifteen over fifteen years ago, so we had stopped
investigating as a team together, and one of the former
investigators heard from a new resident that things were picking

(54:13):
up again.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Oh boy, And I.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Was like, oh no. And then everybody kind of moved
out because I think the landlord put it up for sale, okay,
and then and then it got purchased. And after it
got purchased, we have not you guys.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, well see that's the thing,
and that some of these and everybody, you know, sometimes
these funeral homes probably the basement was where they did
they prepped the maybe some of these funeral homes, they
would have the the you know, the viewing or whatever
you want to call it. Yeah, the wakes you know,
up on the upper floors.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Now we're in the state of mean, so they even
had a room where they kept the bodies during the
winter because you can't bury during the one.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
That's right. I've heard that the ground is like you
can't dig.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Right, it's too hard, you can't dig.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
So that's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Yeah, So we there were all these segregate segregated rooms
down there. It was really strange, but it's because they
all had yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Right, I mean you look at it and we think
of it as as morbid, but it was. It was
just a practical solution, right.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Right, And so we got a lot of activity in
that specific you know, we were seeing shadow people were
having K two conversations, which is crazy. I mean, that's
hard to come by with like confirming K two. Yes,
you know they're yes and no, but you know, to
to have it go off and to say it yes
to have it go off, and you know, it's just

(55:36):
very wild. You know.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Asked when the family moved in there, did were they
aware that it had to pass as a funeral home
or was this something and the reason why I say
this something most landlords would like I'm not gonna talk
about this, you know. Or did they find out like
after the fact that I.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Think they found out, because I think they told us
it was a former funeral home, right, Okay, so they
must have known.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, it's like it's like, what do you have those uh,
what is it those kearneys down there? For well, you
know that landlord has got something explaining to do. But yes, yeah,
you know, and I tell everybody, you know, once upon
a time, people and would die at home because you know,
it's not like now we're you know a lot of people,
especially if you had like a lingering disease or illness,

(56:20):
your family kept you and you died at home. That
was that was a normal thing. It wasn't a morbid
thing because you hear, oh, so and so died in
the housing. Once upon a time, a lot of people
died at home. Yeah, you know if they were they
were older, or they had some type of sickness and
they couldn't do anything that you know they say about
the hospital thing. It was like that was only really
basically for traumatic trauma, and then they would just they

(56:41):
got rid of you know, to go home, or you died.
And I said, that wasn't It wasn't a bad thing.
It was just a norm same thing as people having
babies at home kind of deal. Yeah, and you know
that that's just the sensibilities now we just look at
it with our eyes as oh my god, so and
so died in the house. I'd be like, huh, yeah.

(57:03):
You know, unless it's something like you know, a crime,
you know scenario, have you had an investigation along those
lines where you went into someplace where it was some
type of you know that they think that the haunting
was attached to some type of crime or something that
happened to the family.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
I don't think so. I don't think so. Oh my god, yes,
what yes.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Okay, it was a murder. It was a wow. There
you go, that'll qualify it.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
We certainly so. But it was a murder from eighteen
ninety eight. Yes, that's why I didn't like jump to mine.
But famous story within the town. Okay. This woman had
gone Missene and her body was eventually found, like almost
two weeks later. It was crazy, okay. And she was

(57:51):
beaten so badly and hurt so badly that like when
they picked her body up, her head came off.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
So you know, over the years, people have reported, you know,
seeing her headless body in different areas of town. It's
a very small town, you know, Okay. And they also
reported her full body apparition okay. And and that was
seen in her house, in a house that she moved

(58:20):
into fairly kind of recently before her murder, and then
in the house of the accused her murdered that was
accused of her murder. Now, her murder is still unsolved
to this day.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I was going to ask you did anybody was I mean,
people have suspicions, but.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Sure, so a guy was put on trial and going off.
He got off. That sucks because it was very clear
he did it, but they just didn't have they didn't
have the evidence that they needed, right. Sure, and at
the time it was seen as the trial of the
century and the small, tiny, main town and it was
being reported like in the New York Times, and you
know across the country. Is pretty crazy. So we investigated

(59:01):
the house of the accused murderer, oh wow. And we
had some pretty gnarly EVPs, some swearing stuff, something that
said my name. We got footprints down in the basement,
like you could hear like walking on the cement. You know,
we caught that on audio. But at one point the

(59:24):
cats kind of kept responding to something that wasn't there.
And I know cats get the zoomies, but it was
just weird. It's behavior. And at one point we decided
to like walk around the house together. I don't remember why,
but it was an investigator, a homeowner, an investigator, no, no, no, homeowner, investigator,

(59:45):
homeowner investigator. So there are four of us and there
was always an investigator behind a homeowner, and we're going
around the house. It was a pretty big house, and
they're explaining where different things that had had happened in
the house. And while we were walking, the home owner
in front of one of the investigators goes out and
grabs their ankle and we all stop what we're doing.

(01:00:08):
We turn on a light, we get flashlights going, and
they pull up the pant leg and there's an awful
scratch on the leg, on the ankle, and with the
investigator in front of them, like we knew it wasn't
the cat getting underfoot. The investigator would have seen it,
and the investigator would have seen the homeowner like bend

(01:00:28):
down and scratched their ankle, and they did it. So
it was very odd, very odd, and we thought that
was obviously very fascinating and and all that great stuff.
Now fast forward, like you know, fifteen years and I'm
in the small town now and I'm there for no
reason other than to ride my bike. They have a

(01:00:49):
couple of good trails.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
OK.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
So I'm in town and it's October and I'm down
in this area. I've never ridden my bike before, and
it's the Silver Lake area. Silver Lake Area used to
be where the cemetery was and where this woman was buried,
and they decided to make a man made lake, so
they moved all of the bodies out and put it something.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
They've flooded the cemetery.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
Okay, so her her body, I'm sorry, her ghost had
been seen in that area, sometimes headless and other times
not headless. I probably went down there knowing this, you
know what I mean, But I wasn't there too, like
investigate or anything. So I'm riding my bike and I

(01:01:36):
see this picnic area off to the side, you know,
it's right off the main trail, and there's like this,
there's like bushes in front of it, and the bushes
kind of create this natural entrance into it. So I'm
there and I'm sitting at a picnic table and I
can see this woman running down the main trail and

(01:01:56):
not normally a big deal, like you know, like a
jogger maybe and normally not a big deal. But I'm
not hearing anything. It's October in main so there's leaves everywhere,
and I'm not hearing footfall as she's running, and I'm like,
what the hell. And so I can see her coming
down the trail, but she doesn't reach the bushes where

(01:02:18):
the entrance to the picnic area is. I'm like, what
the hell did she kneel down to some Yeah? And
so I was fairly close to her, probably fifteen feet away,
you know, so very close. And she was like five eight,
and she had long brown hair, and she wore back
in a ponytail. And I couldn't really tell like what
she was wearing, you know, because like the bushes and

(01:02:38):
trees and stuff like obscured that. But I was able
to see her from like the shoulder up. And again
I wasn't hearing anything. So I stick my head out there,
you know, past the bush entrance, and there's no one there.
Like I almost thought she was going to be like,
you know, like stand up and scaring, because she should
have been right there at tying, but there's nobody. And

(01:02:59):
I'm like, you know, this was that's the name of
the woman, Sarah Ware is her name?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
And okay, like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Did I just see Sarah? If so, why was she
running Like to me, it looked like a jogger, so,
you know, was it a different Entityah?

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
I don't know all you know, there might have been
some jogger, Yeah that met her end in that area. Yeah,
and you're thinking it's yeah, it happens, you know, it
wouldn't be the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
And you know what's really well when you said that
her head because you know some of the research I've
done some of these, you know, back then, of course
there wasn't forensics, so but a lot of times they
would decapitate, you know, we think of it now like man,
that's really like serial killer stuff. Well it's pretty bad.
But mostly they would decapitate them so to avoid identification,

(01:03:51):
you know, like if they if you couldn't tell who
it was. And sometimes the hands. That's why they would
find a lot of corpses handless and headless, because they
were trying to to make it impossible unless there was
something about the body that they could identify them. They
back then like criminals now, they want to make I

(01:04:13):
d the victim, you know, because sometimes once you identify
the victim, then you know who to look for as
far as the perpetrator. And as a matter of fact,
I don't know you've heard, you know pro Ryan, the
one that was from She's you know where Mackie's music world.

(01:04:35):
You know, it's that her headless thing, and you know
that she was dumped on the well whatever, and people
don't realize that what the guy really was doing was
he was When they originally found her body, they didn't
know who it was, and they thought it was a prostitute.
What they said, a fallen woman. You know, they used
euphonymisms back in that time. They so another it was

(01:04:56):
near like a fort. There was a fort out there,
a military fort. So they were like, everybody's concerned, but
not really was like, oh my god, you know it's
some prostitute got killed whatever. And really how they found
out was she had a very small foot for her
size she had. She used like a size three shoe
they were able to finally they went to the shoe owner.

(01:05:19):
It was like, you said, these little towns, you only
one guy that sells shoes, and it was mister Pook.
And mister Pook saw these little booty things that they
were and he goes, hey, I know who I sold
that to because that's a very even back then it
was a very small size. I sold it to this
country girl in Pearl and I was like, oh what

(01:05:40):
And everything changed once it was a country girl and
not a you know, a prostitute, a fallen woman that hey,
you know, you know that risky lifestyle got you. Then
that's when it took off. And then they started and
you know they basically, you know, two guys actually hung
for it, and there was more to it. But did
the capitation as horrible as it sounds, a lot of

(01:06:02):
time was it's you know, besides the thing of no body,
no crime, It was like if you can't tell who
it is, then you really can't trace back who the
perpetrator unless it was a stranger on stranger kind of deal.
But yeah, lots of those, you know, the good old days,
they do horrific things to avoid having that corpse identified. Yeah,

(01:06:26):
because back then even then they you know, people with
the finger even the finger prints, unless there was a
fingerprint to match it to. It's like in a database
like okay, like who are you gonna match it to?
But yeah, the but yeah, when you said that thing
about that this guy got away, they were more In
other words, they really really didn't like to convict uncircumstantial evidence, right,

(01:06:47):
They really had to have like either eye witnesses or
very very good you know, like, hey, definitely this was
the guy that did it. We know it for sure.
Like rumors, you know how in small towns, I'll have rumors.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Sure, there was some in the actual trial, there was
like some he said he said type stuff and just
all circumstantial.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Yes, exactly. And back then, yeah, I want to say
a lot of people got away with murder. And I'm
gonna throw in my thing in you know, back around
that time. You know, these were the years Lizzie Borden,
you know that, which is a very famous but and
I've spoken to other people that have done a lot
of research, especially into that time period. They said, you
know what, there's a lot of women that got away

(01:07:31):
with murder. And they got away with it because nobody
would believe that a woman could do something, you know,
like really bad. It was you know, like the forty
what kind of thing, like like you know, it was
like that they were like, no, no, she she couldn't
do that something that evil, that horrible that you know,
you know, I'm not talking about poisoning. I'm talking about

(01:07:53):
like yeah, and it's like but you know that kind
of deal. But yeah, back then, a lot of people
I think got away with things and sure. And then
of course, which you think about as far as the haunting,
you know, that's that's a perfect ingredient. I would say
if you look at an intelligent haunting would be somebody
not only did they get killed, but they never got justice.

(01:08:15):
How's that? Yeah, you know, they never got that person
never got the And then you think about, well, you know,
after you're dad, do you really care? And I'm thinking
some personalities. Do you know nobody got punished for what
they did to me?

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
Yeah? You know, I feel like if there is you know,
if Sarah is out there, I do feel like she's
searching for justice. You know. She she had she was
from Canada and she had a wonderful family. She had
a daughter that died around eighteen years old, and then
you know, they had two other kids, and they stayed
together until the kids grew up and then divorced. They

(01:08:56):
divorced her and her husband and.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
So this was he was he was the ill much perpetrator,
was her ex husband.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
He was actually a really good guy, and you know,
they just kind of drifted apart. You know, the death
of the daughter really kind of destroyed their marriage, and
they ended up staying together because of the other two kids.
But once they were gone, they divorced, which is really
rare ye back once and so she was kind of
chastised for it, which side.

Speaker 1 (01:09:22):
Oh boy, yeah, especially in a small town.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah. Yeah. So she ended up befriending this older woman
who was widowed and living and lived in this big house,
and she like kept house for her but also took
other small jobs. And there was this man in town
who was friendly with her, and she had worked for
him for a little bit, and it is said, it's

(01:09:45):
rumored that he made a lot of advances at her
and she kept rejecting him, and I think he finally
got sick of her rejections and check it out on her,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Yeah. And I hate to say it, but back then,
people don't realize that if you were a divorce you know,
that's a woman. I'm saying, you were like fair game,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
And considered less than which is yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yes, like exactly like maybe besides, maybe he was you know,
you know, one of these you know, not a nice guy.
But then on top of it, the how can I
say the morale as far as the you know, nobody
was like what does she expect? You know, she's that
kind of it's crazy. It's crazy. But because it's between

(01:10:27):
that and in killing somebody, that that really speaks volumes.
But yeah, when you said that thing, that eventually went
to trial but he was not convicted. Yeah. I've read
a lot of stuff like that along those lines where
that some of the things it's like, okay, somebody owed
somebody here a favor, you know, like behind the scenes.
But anyway, let me tell you, it's been fascinating you.

(01:10:50):
Let me ask you. Are you working or have you
recently released any books?

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah? Just last year I put out UFOs Over Me
tenth anniversary edition. Ok so in twenty fourteen. Twenty fourteen
was my first book I ever released, and that was like,
you know, through a publishing company. You know, it was
really it was a big deal for me. At the time.
I didn't know what the hell I was doing. I
still don't, arguably, but you know, you could walk into

(01:11:15):
a Walmart and buy my book. It was pretty crazy.
It was called UFO's Over Main but you know, it
got edited to hell and a lot of stories got
taken out. So my second book, I went with a
different publisher and I put even more main UFO stories
in it. But you know, I'm the UFO guy now
in Maine, at least one of them. And so I
just get a ton of stories, and I do a

(01:11:37):
ton of research and I keep finding stuff. So about
two years ago, three years ago, I was like, what's
my next book project going to be? And I was like, Ah,
let's do a ten year anniversary of my fourteen books.
So I gave myself two years to write this book.
So I completely dismantled the first book and rewrote it
from the ground up. The first book, the first version,

(01:12:00):
had about twenty five stories in it. This new one
has almost four hundred, and so it's got a ton
of stories. And we're talking abductions, men in black entities,
landed UFOs. I reinterviewed witnesses from previous cases. You know,
I dug up a ton of you know, other encounters

(01:12:20):
I'd never found before, you know, because ten years on
you become better at what you do. Sure, So that
came out last year. It's a big tome. I'm very
proud of it. It's like the book I wanted to
put out ten years ago, eleven years ago now. And
so that came out last year. It's been doing very
well and very happy with it. But I also, you know,

(01:12:40):
once a book comes out, immediately start working on the
next one, okay, And I finished it pretty quickly and
it's actually coming out in a couple of months. And
it's called Humanoid Encounters, And again it's all sightings that
happened in me, and I take the term humanoid encounter, okay,
encounters very kind of loosely. So there's ghost stories, there's

(01:13:00):
pale crawlers, there's black eyed kids, there's bigfoot, there's aliens.
So if it's got a humanoid shape, I found it
and wrote about it, you know. So there's there's about
a hundred stories in it. It's about three hundred pages,
one hundred stories, and I'm literally in the editing process
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
It's almost well, that's the fun part, the editing part.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
As a writer. As a writer, I love it formatting
because I'm DIY now, like I walked away from traditional publishing.
There's just no there's no money in it. And this
is what I do full time, so I have to release,
you know, on my own. But that also means I
take on everything and sometimes like I do, hire an editor,
but after I get the book back from the editor,
I then read through it again and see if there's

(01:13:43):
any like creative ideas that I want to change. And
so that's the process I'm in right now. And that's
not bad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
That's that's kind of let me tell you something. Yes,
it's yeah, yeah, and you know what a lot of
people I'm going to put my two cells worth. I
think that the DIY in the publishing world as far
as writers, it's open up a lot because I think
a lot of great stories, whether they were fiction or
non fiction, got thrown out because you know, you had
to go through a publishing house to get and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
They published their their iys dotted and tease crossed, which
is great and I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
And I think certain stories and writers got you know,
thrown out which they shouldn't have because sure, you know
or hey, we're never looking for that type of story.
But it's a great story, you know that kind of deal.
So yeah, that now that the I Y, I think
it's fantastic. You know, it's a lot more work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
It is, it's a lot more work. And there's also
there's this also like subspecies if you will, that's awful.
I shouldn't say that but there's this other type of
books that are coming out, and it's people that are
not writers. Oh yeah, I know, and those are tough
to you know, to sift through. And I had to
do that with some of my research. I'm like, oh

(01:14:50):
my goodness, you know, no.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
I know, I know. That's just like all right, and
I know exactly what you mean. You have to read
it like you know what. Let me read that again.
Oh that's punctual. Okay, now I understand what they're.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Trying to stay in that and believe me, I'm no,
I'm no Shakespeare.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Believe I know. I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I enjoyed the writing process and I try to make
as something as comprehensive, easily digestible as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
You know, yes, yes for my podcast listeners, because I
am going to put a link to your your website.
But for the podcast listeners, what is your website?

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Uh, it's slovic store, dot company, dot site, and you
can go there and buy books. Also, if that's too complicated,
just search no more Slovic on Google and all my
stuff will come up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
So I'll come up. Okay, all right, so that they can.
So that's due to come out, and I'm sure, like
what you just described, you'll be working on something soon
after that, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
I'm already in the process, like wild edit the book
I started, I started on another one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
And percolating stuff in your head. Yeah, like you know
what I'm going to tell you real quick, my own
main story real quickly. I want to say. This was
about shoot either eight oh nine something like that, and
we had gone up to Port Elizabeth and Cape Elizabeth.
There we go. I'm seeing I'm changing, I'm thinking of Portland.

(01:16:06):
So anyway, and I remember we drove in real we said, okay,
you know what we're go in and we arrived late,
and I remember we stopped at this place which was
like little cottages, like you know, it wasn't a hotel
motel out of the deal. They rent out little cottages
and there were the woods were like right in the back,
you know. And I mean we are there and we
just like cook and we just fell asleep. You know.

(01:16:26):
People don't realize how driving can be exhausting. But anyway,
I remember my husband he gets up real early and
he comes back. He goes, you know what, and I
go and I'm like what. He goes. There's a couple
of guys. I can't remember if he told me the
guys were in underwear or in pants. All I can
remember say he says, there's a couple of guys with
no shirts wearing deer antlers running around back there in

(01:16:48):
the woods. I'm like, what, like what? He goes, yeah, man,
I guess he was stepped outsidecause he's always one of
these as, like always looking around, you know. But you
know I know him because and I said, I looked
at him like kid, and he goes, yeah, man, there's
some guys shirts up back there with some vere antlers
on running around in the woods. And I got I said,
just see him alone. Just let them do their thing.

(01:17:10):
I don't want you to know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
But yeah, you know, there's a really interesting story from
Cape Elizabeth. We don't have to get into the whole thing,
but I did a fast episode on it. But there
was a guy going around Cape Elizabeth and he would
break into homes okay, and he would he would watch
people sleep. Wow, and then that was it. The few

(01:17:33):
times he was caught, he would just run out of
the house. People would chase after him, he would get
away somehow. He's never been caught to this day.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Can you imagine like a peeping tom kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Sort of but you know, like no one ever reported anything,
you know, untoward other than you know, obviously a strange
person in your house.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
That's terrifying also because he would it wasn't like that
he was looking through a window. He would actually get into.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Your house, into the house, my bedroom, and watch you sleep.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
Let me tell you want to give somebody a heart attack,
that's the way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
Yeah, that's the way to do it. And to this
day he's never been caught. It's crazy. He must have
done you know, over a dozen homes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Crazy And either that or he and any think about
I'm thinking to myself, there's there's got to be some
type of obsession or compulsivity with somebody that's willing to
run that risk, you know, something about who knows what
was going on? And you know in here but for him,
where he's willing to risk prop pop maybe getting killed

(01:18:29):
for all you know that he's got to sneak in
there and watch somebody sleep and thinking what could be
I don't know, exciting about that or like like what
what what? You know? That's that's really a new you know,
I'm always looking at the psychology of something as far
as whate motivate somebody like because people and Tom is
bad enough, which, by the way, a lot of those

(01:18:50):
those people that go on to do really horrific things
do start out as peeping toms. When they look at
the criminal history, they start off as peeping toms, and
then they progress, you know, and what ever type of
crime they commit. But yeah, that as a matter of fact,
let me taste some of the best lobster role I
ever had was the next day and we got there.
It was October. This was the last week they were

(01:19:13):
open and then they would close down for the season.
I guess for the Winner. Yeah, and that was the best.
It was. Oh my god. It was right on the ocean.
Was like a little wooden shock kind of restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Was up here.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Let me tell you something that was great for us.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
It was like, oh, it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Was fantastic, and we caught it right before they closed
for the Winner, which a lot of people don't realize that.
I guess what you were talking about the Winners out there,
when you were talking about your dad when he catches
you up and takes you outside. I was like, yeah,
I was out there in November and that was pretty
cool then. So again, it's been wonderful to speak to you,
and I want to wish you the best of luck.
I'll be following up, like I said, I'll put a

(01:19:53):
link in the credits to your website. And this has
been fantastic to talk to you. I could talk to
you for hours and hours because I think you've got
so many good stories to tell.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
Oh, thank you, this is fun. I appreciate you having me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
On truly, take care you too, Bye bye bye. That's great,
isn't it. I gotta take a suppose something because let
me tell you, I was recording some other stuff earlier
today and I've been talking to the most of the day.
It says this, but anyway, and you know what, I

(01:20:29):
like it when you know, like I said, these people
that interview people like I said to me personally, the
best stories are the people have experiences whatever they are,
when they're not looking to have the experience, right. In
other words, you're not primed. I was not looking for Bigfoot,
I wasn't looking for the Gohos. I wasn't you know.

(01:20:50):
I didn't go to the Haunted House for the cemetery
they're just doing whatever they're doing. They're they're living life,
and then this thing happens to them. And of course,
and this is the thing, nine times out of ten,
you don't have a camera, and even if you have
a phone. Yeah, and a lot of times when things
happen when they in the moment, they happen most people,

(01:21:14):
unless it's really really blatant, you're really not thinking that
what you're seeing is like stranger, paranormal or anything. You're
you're trying to make sense of it, like in regular
Like when am I seeing When he's talking about that
triangle that he's seeing out there and he's walking towards it,
I mean, yeah, he was doing a paranormal, but at
the same time he's like thinking, what the hell is that?

(01:21:36):
So you have that's Those are the stories that I like,
as far as regular people having events happen to them,
they're not trying to record it, and maybe even in
hindsight is when they realized there was something weird, unusual,
paranormal like that's not that doesn't work that way. And
of course my point being that all they have is
their story. They don't have a photograph. Sometimes they do

(01:21:58):
a lot of times they don't. They don't have a reding,
which all they have is like, hey, this happened to me,
and I have no idea how this could have. In
other words, I can't explain rationally how this I could
see what I saw or hear experience what I saw.

(01:22:23):
And those are the best stories. And it sounds like
he's got plenty of stories. I got to have him
back so just he could tell me some more of
the stories. And when he did that, he revised his uh,
and that's good. You know. It sounds to me like
he keeps all his paperwork on his stories. So he
was able to go back and recontact these people. And
you know what's really funny is even now I've been

(01:22:46):
doing this for eight years and I have thought of
going back to my earlier guests and looking them up
and saying, hey, you want to come back. I have
new things happened. It's a lot of that passed away.
I was like, what, yeah, like and they weren't really old.
It's just I was like surprised, like here I'm looking
them up, and I was like, oh and memorial. I'm

(01:23:09):
like memorial, what.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Also, But my point being that yet that when you
keep track of your contacts or your stories or whatever
it is, that you can go back to them and
catch up with them and have them you know. And
sometimes even people will include later on details that maybe
you missed the first time around, right, or maybe they

(01:23:34):
trust you more and they'll tell you, well, you know what,
I didn't tell you this the first time, but et cetera,
et cetera, that story I told you, well this happened,
or afterwards this other thing happened. And he's absolutely right
when he said that thing about there are people that
will tell you stories and they don't want that story retold. Period.

(01:23:54):
It's not a question of oh, keep it anonymous, or
do they don't want the story retold. I think a
lot of people have a hard time thinking of that
because nowadays with reality TV, where everybody wants everything told
about them, no matter how intimate, and we're talking here,
of course paranormal or something along those lines. There's a
lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
How's this.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
You know, you always hear about people being in the
military or the police or certain jobs, and I was like, Hey,
I can't get let this get out because it's gonna hurt,
it's gonna damage my career. And then there's people that
sometimes even their own families, they think their families will
like either disbelieve them, or they don't even want their
families to know. How's that because of the nature of

(01:24:40):
maybe what they experienced. And some people it's none of
the above. How's this. They don't have a job where
they would be stigmatized, They have family that would be like,
it's okay, all right, Wow, that's interesting, Wow that happened.
In other words, none of the things that you think,
why would this person not ever talk to anybody about this?
There's a of people out there like that. And even

(01:25:03):
somebody's really close to them, like a spouse, they you
haven't even told them. And I don't know whether it's
a question that if I talk about it makes it
more real or I want to say and I wasn't
kidding this, And I think this happens to everybody when
you have certain events in your life, good and bad.

(01:25:24):
Whereas that before in the after this event, you know
it happened in you childhood, but you'll remember when you're old.
You know, the other parts of your your life will
be like nothing. I can't remember all that that date.
I don't remember that happened. But there's certain events, good
and bad that they that are like markers in your life.
And I want to say that I think the reason

(01:25:45):
why some people never talk about an experience they had
is because that event becomes like a marker for them.
And sometimes and a good I want to say, most
of the time in a negative way, even if it
wasn't a bad experience, but to them it's negative because

(01:26:07):
it alters their understanding of their reality. The world they
thought they lived in in a flash, in a moment
in seconds doesn't it's not what they thought it was.
And then of course that leads to questioning other things.
What else do I think that's not that way? And
it turns out to be, so they just like, I
don't want to talk about it. You know, if I

(01:26:28):
don't talk about it won't be real. But of course
you can't really you know, everywhere you go there you
are so and then they get to that point, I
guess where, like I told them, they need a mini
therapy session. So I'm going to tell you about my
experience so that I can unburden myself and maybe, you know,

(01:26:51):
they'll all somebody will know what happened to you? Know
that I saw this or experience this, and and usually
I want to say it's they give it to a
sympathetic gear, all right, which is let's say somebody like
no more, which is, hey, this person has heard a

(01:27:13):
lot of stories, so they probably won't go what especially
like because I think again, like I said, some people
are they don't want to be looked at, like, man,
am I going to tell this story and somebody's gonna
look at me and think, hey, you're crazy or what's
wrong with you? Oh you're one of those yeah, that
kind of thing. So they just think, God, just keep

(01:27:36):
this to myself, because if I talk about this, then
somebody will know, and then maybe they'll just always look
at me differently. That'll be me. And it happens. It happens.
You know some people, And I'm going to tell you something.
Therapy wise, people don't understand the benefits of being able

(01:27:59):
to tell. And in some cases, like he said about
that guy that told him about the square and the
thing that opened up in the sky, and then it
is this and then he sees that he got back
to him and he says, hey, I couldn't find a
similar exactly what you experienced, But believe it or not
when somebody tells you, oh, because I've been on the

(01:28:25):
the other end of that. You know, when I was
a hypnotherapist. When I was doing hypnotherapy, in certain instances,
when people talk to me about certain things they had seen,
and not only would you understanding, you would say, well,
you know what, I've heard of that before and they'd
be like really like that and be like yeah, and

(01:28:46):
it's you kind of see like a person feels like better,
like oh okay, because I want to say it. At
some point. Sometimes people even think, man, the universe is
picking on me, like why am I seeing this? Why
am I? Again? For all the people that you see
running around ghost hunting, I want to see the ghosts.
I want to see a full body apparition. I want

(01:29:06):
the full Monty. There's a bunch of people that don't,
and there's a lot of people that think that they
do until they do, and then when they get that
full Monty, then they're like, who told me I wanted
to see this? It was like great, it was fantastic.
Oh how fun in theory? Oh ghost hunting, And I

(01:29:26):
want to see the ghost and then I'll know there's
proof of life. After death, blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah, until they see it, until they experience
it in a scenario where there is unquestionably this is supernatural.
There's nothing like. Because I've been around people like that,
I've had people quit from paranormal groups because of that.

(01:29:49):
They're all gun ho. They want to go out, they
want to do investigations. They want to go to cemetery,
they want to go to the people's houses, they want
to go to historical haunted places, you name it. I'll
be there. Well, let's go because I want to see
the ghost. I want to have the in your face,
undeniable paranormal moment. And when they do, some of them,
some of them are real honest, and they'll they'll say, hey, man,

(01:30:12):
you know they wig out, they really do. And then
there's others that they just stop participating in cases. They
never come out now and say, well, I don't want
to do this anymore. They just And the reason why
I know this is I've worked with a lot of
different groups because I worked with the Foundation, and I
would work as a freelancer with different groups all over

(01:30:33):
the state. If I could make it, you know, I
was called into help or just you know, when things
somebody didn't show up. So after a while, I got
I knew a lot of the groups. I knew a
lot of the you know, and I got I was
familiar with some of the investigators, and I say, hey,
last time I saw you had this, what happened? And
I know, sometimes people leave paranormal because they just can't.

(01:30:55):
They move away, or life is too busy and they
just can't. They can't. And they'll say no, they just
stopped coming around. They just we kept asking them, hey,
we've got this investigation, or can you like you know,
call into a phone interview with this person, or can
you do research something whatever whatever, and all of a sudden,
they just fade away. And after a while, you know,

(01:31:17):
you find out you know, oh yeah, that last case
they went on something. You know, they either they had
an experience or something happened, something that's quieting. And yeah, yeah,
it's it's like I said, everybody's different, and it's the

(01:31:38):
kind of stuff that you do. And sometimes it's very subtle.
And I've said it before and I want to say
it again. Anybody that's done paranormal work, especially, Yeah, I
want to say anything, even you follow gen ets and
the abductions all that. I don't care. People are gonna say, now, Marlene, yeah,

(01:32:00):
or whether it's paranormal, the ghost, whatever, there comes a
time where you need to go back, even if it's
for a few months, because you know that's saying about
that you look into the abyss and abyss looks back
at you. I think that happens. We're all of a sudden,
whatever it is, whatever work that you're doing. In other words,

(01:32:26):
you become more than just an observer, and you'll hear it.
You'll have paranormal investigators to say, stuff happens started happening
at my home. People that were doing you a phone
and et research. They'll say, weird stuff stops, start, start.
It's happening to me, all right, Like there's something that
all of a sudden, like like a magnet. Like I

(01:32:47):
don't know if it's because you're vibrating in that space
because you're doing the research, or you're going to places
and we're all of a sudden, you're like pulling in
like a magnet. And I don't know, maybe in a
a physical I don't know way that we don't understand
that like a tract like starts to work. And and

(01:33:11):
like I said, it's really different when you're out in
the field investigating something whatever it is, versus when it's
there with you at home. That changes the dynamic real quick.
So everybody that's been doing this work for any amount
of time will tell you, yeah, I had to take
a two three months off. Yeah, I need to get
away from that, shut myself off because switch stuff started

(01:33:33):
happening about around the house and or I was hearing things,
or I was seeing things, or I was starting to
have bad dreams, or my sleep was suffering. Something was
going on. And I've had I've even had you know,
people that their spouses were like, hey man, you got
to cut this out for a while. There's strange stuff
happening here when you're not here. You know, their spouses

(01:33:55):
were the ones that stepped in and said, you either
stop it all together or you got to stop step
away from that for for a while because something's going on.
So yeah, I mean there's a whole realm out there
that for all research and all these paranormal shows that
you there's I want to say, there's a lot more
that's not known or even understood versus what we know

(01:34:18):
despite everything. But it's that's why it's interesting, I guess,
you know, because we all want those answers. Unless, like
I said, there's people that when they get the answer
or part of it, or how's this proof that there
is something, then it's like, uh, I don't. I don't
want to know in that anymore. Why? Why? Why I

(01:34:40):
want to live my life? My reality is not that.
It's not that I'm going to give you a perfect
for instance, you know a lot of people will believe, yes,
we die, we go to heaven, or there's an afterlife.
I'm not talking about anybody that thinks that, okay, you're
when you're dead, you're dead and it's over. But if

(01:35:03):
you think about it, that experience that he talked about
when he was a kid, that he's seeing this man
that's angry, smells like alcohol, comes in through the doorway,
and he even feels in some in some way, some
empathic way, that this man maybe wanted to molest them,
you know, as a child, all right, there's a part

(01:35:27):
of you that it's like, wait a minute, God, not
only do you die, you don't go to heaven. I mean, God,
that's got to be a horrible existence, that you are
that horrible person or whatever whatever your life was, that
you're so angry that you are stuck. Okay, let's say

(01:35:47):
with that in some type of alcoholic nightmare where you're
still walking around the place you used to live on
and you're wanting maybe a victim. I mean, think about
it as an existence after the fact that when you're dead,
that's horrible at least I would think so. And I
think a lot of people when they're presented with that,

(01:36:08):
that there is a possibility that the afterlife after you
die is not heaven and the Pearly Gates in Saint Peter. Okay,
I'm not even gonna go into the hell part. I'm
just talking about none of that, that this could be
your existence. It's like, wow, that's disturbing. Oh man, that's
not what I want. I want to go off to

(01:36:29):
the golf course in the sky. So along those lines. Yeah,
and that's something difficult to wrap your head around. But anyway,
I'll be like this show, I have a lot of
great guests lined up pretty soon. I will be taking
in guests for season eighteen of Stories of the Supernatural
that goes runs from July to December of twenty twenty five,

(01:36:52):
and a lot of like I said, new people, returning guests,
the ones that haven't died obviously. Uh. And again, go
to Miamigo's chronicles dot com mppelaster dot com. I've got
links to everything there, whether you want to sign up
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(01:37:14):
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like I think I can't remember if it's Vimeo or

(01:37:35):
daily Motion, they limit you, like to one hour, and
a lot of these things run beyond an hour. But anyway, Yeah,
and as far as podcast, wherever there's a podcast platform,
I'm there. I'm there. Just look for stories or the
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(01:37:56):
find if you come and you listen to anything on
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I will listen to my own shows on podcast platforms
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like another commercial. You don't get me wrong. Monetization is

(01:38:19):
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Go to mppelaster dot com and you'll find all the
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(01:38:39):
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