Life Outside Earth | Interview with Tom W. Conwell | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Oh, let's see, they don't want to cooperate. Hi, everybody.

(01:03):
You know, I normally don't have a countdown clock, but
for some reason, this thing doesn't want to play my
intro video. I'm gonna try it one more time because
you know what it was, Okay, I don't know. I'll
figure it out later. One of those things that's like,
oh really, okay, that's what's gonna happen. Okay, all right, yeah,

(01:27):
it's you know what, we're at the mercy of the computers,
whatever the AI who God knows. Anyway, guys, everything over
year is good. You know, same old hot hot you know,
weird weather around the world, around the United States. What
was it yesterday? You know, there's a there was a

(01:49):
thread I haven't followed up on it of a tsunami
slash earthquake off by the coast of Alaska, and it's
like what you know, and I've been hearing believe it
or not, I do follow some of their earthquake because
there's different people that track this stuff, you know, and
I'm talking this was like a seven point three magnitude.

(02:11):
You know, that's that's not that's not a little treumor
that's pretty you know, in a tsunami. I believe that
the what I heard was that they told people along
the coastal area of Kodiak, and I want to say
standpoint that they had to leave and go to higher
ground because I think, you know, the water was receding,
which is like, okay when it comes back. I haven't

(02:31):
followed up on that, but yeah, uh, weird weather, weird,
you know. I'll tell you what everybody says, Oh, you're
you're crazy, because in Florida, you deal with hurricanes. I'd
rather deal with a hurricane anytime over than an earthquake.
You know what, hurricane, you track it, you can see
it coming, you can prepare, prepare your home or leave,
you know, board everything up and leave whatever. But you've

(02:53):
got time to do something on an earthquake. God, that's scary.
But anyway, you know, I was sharing with you guys
on and off some some different interesting news, you know,
as it's coming in, and I want to show you
guys this, okay, which is like, really, this is this

(03:17):
is a what you MNNA call it a Basically it's
Area fifty one is on fire. How's that? And from
what I'm seeing is they don't know I guess what
would happened if Area fifty one. I don't know because

(03:40):
remember this is a huge fire. This was I'll tell
you what. This is dated from yesterday, Okay, I like
I said, I haven't had a chance to follow up.
Area fifty one at risk as huge fire creeps closer
to base with black smoke filling air sparking. While you
have folk conspiracy theories, shocking surveillance shows the fire burning

(04:01):
close to the base. All right, let me taste these
fires are and this is what they call a massive fire,
all right, And they're saying conspiracy theorists fear historic evidence
can be destroyed. Dramatic images have capture plumes of smoke
erupting outside the remote Air Force Base north of Las Vegas.

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As you can tell from those of you watching the video,
it's pretty massive as far as the smoke goes, and
the dangerous. It's called the Gothic Fire has been burning
through Nevada for days and the Bureau of Land Management,
which is managing the incidents, that it wasn't contained as
of Monday. The blaze are sparked by a lightning strike
that lit up trees in Clark County just forty five

(04:43):
minutes north of Las Vegas. And that happened back in
July fourth. Wow, And it's swelled from nine thousand acres
to thirty five thousand acres. And as a matter of fact,
and it's burning on the Nevada Test and Training Range
with onlines which are used for nuclear testing. And then

(05:03):
this haze it's wafted it all the way down to
Las Vegas. No one's in danger being evacuated, but that
must be really healthy. And again Laria fifty one lies
just north of the burning blaze. Blah blah blah. Yeah,
the camera's overlooking the area fifty one perimeter because of course,
you know, nobody's allowed on there. This is how they're

(05:24):
they're kind of getting. An assessment later released by the
Nevada Interagency Fire Center says the wildfire is burning just
fifteen miles away from the facility. All right, now, they
call this a conspiracy theory as a runodolph baseless claims
about the federal government potentially using the blaze to cover
up secrets. Okay, you know, and now is it cover

(05:46):
up secrets or is it is it kind of destroy stuff?
One there is guessed that sensitive context could be hiding
inside the facilities that need to be buried in the flames.
Others fear that aliens could have tact to reclaim evidence
exposing life outside Earth without providing any proof to back
their conspiracies. That's why it's a conspiracy. It's like, that

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doesn't mean it's not possible. Meanwhile, large, uh, there's no
unexplained activity on Sunday. Official effeirs has been able to
spread quickly because of high temperatures, low humidity, and windy weather. Yes,
and as a person who sets, you know, like I
have burned piles here my property. Yeah, what does the trick,

(06:35):
believe it or not? Is the wind? You got wind
and your fire will take off. Little is known about
what's inside Area fifty one. It's a highly classified base
used to develop and test experimental aircraft, all right. And then,
of course, when I spoke about this last week as
a matter of fact, that however, in June, a bombshell

(06:56):
report was released that claimed the Pentagon stoked US as
a distraction while it actually spent time building dangerous weapons.
Remember that I said that thing that Now they were saying, hey,
you know, we made up all the UFO stories so that.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
In other words, we're making it up. Plus we're also
saying it was like, no, it's not that, just to
cover as a cover story for I guess experimental aircraft
or weapons. A US Air Force colonel started the rumors
by visiting a bar near Area fifty one and dropping
off doctored photos of flying saucers that were eventually pinned

(07:33):
to the walls, according to The Wall Street Journal's review
of the twenty twenty four Department of Defense report. In
the report, the Pentagon also said that over the last
eighty years, there has been no solid evidence of aliens
that recovered alien technology. Blah blah blah. Okay, now and
I have we have the perfect person today as a

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guest to discuss this. We gott a fight because you know,
like sometimes we hear so many versions of what it
could be. After a while, you become a little bit
cynical and you want to believe. But then you don't
want to believe because you're getting so many versions of no,
it's this, No, it's not that. But anyway, let me

(08:15):
tell you about the guest today. His name is Tom Conwell.
He's a eufologist. He's been an electronic technician with a
US Navy and Honeywell for forty two years. He is
a Honeywell Temperature Control, fire alarm and security software specialist,
biomedical engineer, a fire Alarm Level two certified, a meteorologe
in an HVAC engineering resource. He has wide ranging expertise,

(08:39):
with a keen awareness of physics, computer and Internet software,
and a broad knowledge of electronics and how it intersects
with a paranormal world in UFOs. Tom studies databases as
a forensic pattern researcher. Over the past three years, he's
written three volumes of a book series, They Are Here
Volumes one, two, and three, and self published a collection

(09:01):
of blogs. Going Interstellar. He studied a research UFO signing
reports from the US East Coast, the Central US, and
the Western US, and given speeches about each of these subjects.
Tom has assembled a map of UFO sidings which has
revealed many anomalies and his now an integral part of
his research studies. His next book will be about what

(09:22):
UFO sidings reveal about their technologies and should be completed.
I'm going to ask you about this if it's been
but help me welcome him. How are you doing today? Tom?
Let me, amute you that would help there we go, yes,
how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (09:40):
So what do you think that? What do you think
about that story about Area fifty one? Do you think
there's it's just a fire, that's it.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Yeah, just a brush fire. I don't think it's going
to harm anything, because they wouldn't be dumb enough to
build things right out in in a hangar somewhere without
fire protection and sprinklers and all kinds of There's almost

(10:14):
zero chance that anything will be affected there. Plus a
huge portion of their research is done underground. Of course,
that won't have any effect on the underground areas unless
they had a brush fire that swept over top of

(10:42):
where their air intakes were, and then they may have
to do something like evacuate the beneath ground. But we
wouldn't harm anything, you know, they just have to get
people out of there until the year cleared up.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I'm thinking that if and this is the thing, you know,
because I think sometimes myself included, sometimes we think of
these places being out in the desert, like what is
there to burn out there? You know? We always think
of forest fires as in the middle of the forest.
So I don't know what the topography is out there,
but obviously there's something there to burn.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, there's a lot of brush, Okay, a lot of brush,
low grassy areas, and that's where some of the tumbleweed
gets gets created out there, and the right yes, and

(11:35):
those of course can get set on fire, and of
course with the wind which you mentioned before, the tumbleweel
will take off along with the sparks and everything else
and created a larger fire right right exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
And then I'm thinking, you know, you always have to think,
and like I was saying, sometimes you don't know which
way to swing as far as if you know whether
it's alien technology or whatever, or even our own technology.
I'm thinking to myself, I'm sure they're pretty careful about
that stuff, unless then you go in the direction they
were going to use this as a cover for getting
rid of it. That's pretty extreme. All you have to

(12:14):
do is move it. I mean, there's nobody there because
from what I understand, they have a big perimeter that
you're not You get arrested if you go on like
a certain perimeter. You go on the base.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Somewhere, they're very careful. They don't let you anywhere near anything.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, So let me ask you, Tom,
how did you get involved to begin with in the
ufology field.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I've always been interested in UFOs and this just
sort of came to me. It was a stoke of luck.
I was with the paranormal team and we were doing
ghost shunting and things along those lines, and they wanted
to and expand into looking into UFOs. They were already

(13:06):
in the Bigfoot and their ghost ghost work. So when
I heard that they were wanted to get into the
UFOs and I've always had an interest in that regard,
my hand went right up, Hey, call on me, you know,
I'll do it. And one of the first things I

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did is I started writing blogs about how we could
go to the remote planets and visit them, not so
much how they come to us. What kind of problems

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would we have to solve. It's pretty involved. There's a
whole lot of things that have to happen in order
for us to go there.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
And so, yes, do you think that that that it's
it's it? You know, this is of course is a
you know you always think of you know, the travel
like in light years would be so you know far
that we could and unless we found another way of
you know, I mean I've heard of wormholes or or interdimensionals,

(14:23):
which is another theory I've heard. As far as you know,
interstellar travel, what what do you what did you come
across as far as let's say, just getting off the
out of the Earth's atmosphere like to wherever we were going.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Okay, I looked first of all into being able to
accelerate closer to the speed of light so it would
cut down on our travel time. Okay, when we did that,
it was still huge amounts of time involved with us

(14:57):
being in space, exposing ourselves to gamma rays and a
whole bunch of interstellar crap that that goes right through you.
That would be a bad choice because our bodies aren't
made for that. Chances are we wouldn't even make it

(15:18):
to our destination. Then I looked into the possibility of
a wormhole, and that was written about by Einstein and
Rosen and is it possible? Yeah. The only way I
can see that we could do it is to be

(15:40):
able to have a huge and I do mean huge
amount of energy available to open up the wormhole. We
haven't solved that problem yet. We aren't even close.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
So then the other possibility is could we jump into
a different dimension and just will ourselves somewhere?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Is that possible? Well? I think that's the most likely
at this point. It's it's pretty difficult to solve the
problems that are necessary too for us to do anything physically,
would have to do it well almost spiritually.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right, Because I'm thinking, because even that wormhole theory, like,
how do you know where you're gonna if you can
not only open it where you're at, but you end
up where you want to go to? Yeah, you know
if that if you ever figured that out, it's like, wow,
you know who God, God knows where you would end
up at. That's so it's basically be able to control
both points.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yep, yep. And that would that would mean that you
have solved the awful lot of problems that been close
to solving yet.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Sure, right, And that's the thing that you're thinking. Okay,
now let me ask you. Let's let's let's put it
in reverse, because I've heard of this theory also that
are there are there aliens that have been able to
figure that out of how to do space travel, let's
say outside of our solar system.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
For example, absolutely, and they there are I would estimate
somewhere in a neighborhood of one hundred different civilizations represented
that are close close to our planet right now, and

(17:41):
they're waiting for a big event, and that is a
jump of the human population into five D. When that
happens then or just prior to that, they will announce
themselves and we'll know all too well what's what's out there?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
And do you think their intentions are friendly?

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yes? Absolutely, Okay, yeah, is it possible that there is
a civilization somewhere that means us harm? Well, yeah, it's possible,
but I don't think that that is very common, because

(18:35):
once people reach the level that they are now, they
don't tend to remain harmful to another species. They basically
want to open their arms and understand them and appreciate
them and help them.

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Okay, so they've in other words, they've been have they
been around for a long time and they've just been
waiting for us to achieve that level.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Or several civilizations have been around for a long time.
Some of them have tinkered with our DNA, others have
just just kind of watched us, and whenever we did
something particularly stupid, they were there to negate it.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Okay, So another and I guess my question is, you know,
I'm going to use a Star Trek reference. Did they
participate or they're like, you know, the prime directive, you know,
leave them alone and let them figure it out at
their own pace, and then when they get there, we'll,
you know, we'll step in. But otherwise it's hands off,
you know.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I firmly believe that that prime directive is in play.
They don't want to force us to do something that
we don't want to do collectively as a race.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Okay, So in other words, they're going to let us,
like well, for lack of a better word, figure it
out at our own pace. And let me ask you,
what is that going to look like. Do you think
is it going to be like, hey, now you can
join our group because you've reached this level of understanding,
or what do you think is going to come after that?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Oh? Well, I believe that they won't announce themselves to
us prior to anything big happening other than that that
will be one of the one of the first events
they're going to say. They're going to show themselves in

(20:47):
a parade of shifts across the sky. And say here
we are, and then start slowly introducing themselves to us.
Some of them are uh uh, would would have some
problems lowering their own vibration from the fifth dimension down

(21:10):
to the third dimension where we are, and would probably
wait for us to be able to increase our vibration
so we can join them. But a lot of them
are able to lower themselves to our vibration, and they

(21:31):
they will be the ones who will who will make
contact first.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Right, I imagine this will be in an undeniable way,
you know, one of those things where we're gonna we're
gonna do the disclosure. We're not gonna wait for somebody else.
We're gonna do show you guys something that there's no
way to uh to say, oh, you know, in other words,
it doesn't controversy, it's it's it is what it is.
I can imagine because sometimes, you know, you see some

(21:56):
versions of TOTALUFO disclosure where you see panic in the
streets because it's in other words, it's there. But a
lot of those times those are usually invasion movies. But
I'm always I always wonder how we would handle that
moment when we saw something that it's like, no, it
wasn't somebody saying a story or somebody took a fuzzy

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picture or something like that. How do you think that
would go Okay?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Many years ago that would have been a problem, right,
I think it would be less of a problem now
and in the next few years, even far less of
a problem then. And we are we are more or
less getting ready and everyone is getting used to the

(22:45):
idea that we aren't alone. People in the government are
saying it and the military saying it, and it's going
to be a fairly seamless transition, although we'll be incredibly exciting, you.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Know what, But I can always hous this. I think
there's personalities tom that even if you talk about UFOs,
it's always just a theory, you know, or a movie theme,
but it's not part of the real world. How's that?
And that when something actually is seen, like that's all
I'm saying, it's there, it can now be denied, it

(23:24):
can't be explained. It's that I think a lot of
people are going to do a little bit of a
wig out, maybe temporarily, but it'll be like, wait a minute,
what do you mean this is for real? Because I
guess at the same time we've seen it since the fifties,
so many flying Saucer movies, and then I have it
actually materialized.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yeah, they will be. There will be a lot of
people who are over excited and initially are too over
excited than they should be, and they'll realize that. And
you know, there may even be ships that will show
themselves to us, but they won't show the occupants. They'll

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take the ship and hang it out over over the
coastline and just sit there for who knows how long
until we drive by and look at them, and well,
there they are and not even think twice about it.
So there they'll they'll do their due diligence and get

(24:29):
us used to them right rather quickly. It won't take
long because we already know in our hearts what's going on.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Okay, let me ask you what in your research, what
proof that you have come across personally? Is there anything
that for you was like, wow, if nobody knows about this,
but I know about this. This is actual proof that
ufhoe slash extraterrestrials actually do exist.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah. Well, several events that have happened to me. One
of them was in my dreams. I actually dreamed about it. Well,
that's not proof, obviously, but it was sure real to me.

(25:21):
So and then there was another event where someone came
into my room at somewhere in the middle of the
night and reached out and made me levitate off my
bed and I felt my body go up. And then
the next thing I remember is waking up in bed.

(25:43):
Now was that real? It was in the middle of
the night. I can't prove it, you know. And this
is the kind of events that are happening to people
all over the place.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
And you hear about that people, And that's what I'm saying.
Sometimes people have experience, which is it like, Look, if
you're going to ask me to provide proof for you,
I don't. All I know is the experience I have.
And you know yourself, you see what I'm saying. So
if nobody else is convinced, you're convinced.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Sure, sure, And some of the other things that have
happened on three different occasions, I saw UFOs in the sky. Yeah,
that one was absolutely unmistakable. The second one was it

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looked like right in front of my eyes a wormhole
opened and a ship came flying out of the middle
of it. And then the third time there was a, Oh,
you've heard about there's a silver sphere that people are
staying around. Yes, well this sphere that I saw was

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a bright red I mean glowing bright red is obvious.
Well what it was up there? It was the craziest
thing I've ever seen. And just as I got up
towards it, I was probably within maybe fifty yards of it.
I was ready to turn off onto an interstate and

(27:18):
I put on my turn signal a turn, and this
thing whatever wherever it was, I think it was hanging
out above the power lines, and this thing charged at
the car and came at the car in a in
a sign your soid away like this and my winfield Wow, Like,

(27:42):
what in the hell was that? You know? Exactly to
this day, I don't know what it was, And it
was obvious it wasn't It wasn't an airplane, it wasn't
a drone. It was about ten years ago, so it

(28:06):
was less likely that it would have been a drone
because they have a whole lot more abilities now than
they did back then. Yes, but this was absolutely nuts,
just nuts.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Do you think do you think that we've back engineered technology,
that we have recovered stuff from ships or even.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yes, or not. Absolutely, we have and I believe that
we've probably engineered enough ships for us to have a
space force of our own. Really yeah, okay, and you'll
find a lot of mythologists to think that. I didn't
think that so much, but I'm pretty convinced now that

(28:56):
we have the ability to do a lot lot of
things that they could do years ago, and we could.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Okay, that's very interesting. Now do you think that hopefully? Well,
I don't know. See, this is the thing I'm thinking.
Once you developed some type of craft that you're thinking, Okay,
the next step is, you know, using it to go?
I mean, how far is it going to allow us
to travel out of our you know, is it going
to be within the Solar System? Out of the Solar System?

(29:31):
You know what? And again, and I think you made
a good point that we're not right now. We're not
really built unless they have a way of inside the
spaceship that you know, we're used to the gravity here,
the atmosphere here. In other words, we're not right now.
We're not really built for space travel unless there's something

(29:51):
inside the ship that protects the human body and allows
it to go let's say a distance. However, it is
that they travel right without you know, you ending up
looking like a blob by the when you you know,
when you get to the point B because that's it. You know,
that's a lot of people think that sometimes they don't

(30:12):
realize it's just not the how to travel is what's
the effects on the human body, because at the end
of the day, we're earthlings. So that that's something that uh,
and you always think, you know, I don't know, I
guess it's challenging. You want to go out, you know,
you see all these movies about you know, when we're

(30:34):
out there traveling amongst the stars and going to all
these planets, but at the same time, you never know
what you're going to come across out there.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Oh my goodness. No, I believe that they have probably
gone out and visited multiple star systems fairly close to us,
so they've they've they've been able to solve that kind
of a problem. Okay. The other thing that that I

(31:06):
found quite interesting is one of the solutions for us
being able to travel large distances is something that's called
the al Kubieri drive, and that's a warp speed. More
or less, it takes that what is in front of

(31:28):
the spaceship and puts it behind it. So the ship
is just sitting there, unmoving, and it's actually based on
what someone is seeing from from a distance, it's actually
moving at a speed probably exceeding the speed of light.

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But you don't feel movement on the ship right right.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
In other words, it's like if what's you're the what's
and that, And that's another thing that you would think, Okay,
I imagine with you would need a very very good
star map or map of wherever you're going.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
You're better you get a lost real quick out there.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yes, exactly exactly. You know, not only is starmab as
far as if you've got asteroid belts or just the
you know, stuff out there you don't want to run into.
And that's the thing, because if you say, well, I'm
going to go to this cluster whatever, might as well
not be there if it's not habitable or if it's

(32:32):
you see what I'm saying, If you don't know what's
going to be there when you get where you're going,
at least know about it. How's that?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Sure? Sure? Boy? It's the kind of problems that it's
going to create will change the entire life on our
planet because as we start solving those problems, they're going

(33:01):
to be a direct a direct assistance to the life
on the planet, in other words, to the to the civilians,
we are going to realize instantly of all of the
things that they're doing as opposed to what's happening now
where everything is kept a secret, sure, and they just

(33:23):
allow little trickles of stuff to get out. And it's
uh ah. That will also be a rather large revelation
because once they once they show that there are other

(33:44):
civilizations who are paying close to close attention to us,
then they're going to have to come up with what
they have been able to to back engineer and our
life will just never be the same here.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, let me ask you, and this is the thing,
and that's why I asked you about this closure because
you know, we've always been looking for governments and I'm
not talking only in the United States worldwide to be
the ones that do disclosure and think, well, you know,
are the eats gonna say get out of the way,
We're going to disclose ourselves. Like you said, We're gonna
park our spaceship there and everybody'll be like what And

(34:24):
then you know it would be interesting how they would
do it. You know, are they going to approach individuals?
I mean when I mean individuals, I mean everyday people,
not not like let me go to your leader kind
of deal, you know. In other words, we're not going
to let you filter out filter you know, in between
us and the populace at large.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Well, they're already doing that. They have reached out to
probably millions of people. And as soon as they pop
up in the sky and say here we are, everybody's
going to start remembering, okay, that Hey, that's where we

(35:08):
came from.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
So in other words, what you're saying is there's a
lot of people that have memories that they just they're
holding in there in a subconscious mind that just don't remember.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
It subconscious yes, And as soon as they see stuff,
they're going to remember, and it's going to be like
a watershed moment.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Right, Yeah, that aha moment when stuff like yes that
I can understand as far as now, let me ask you,
why do you think there's people out there that describe
negative encounters with ETS, whether it's through abduction or anything.
What do you think what do you think that is about?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Let me just say that if if you were taken
and you woke up in a place that you weren't
familiar with, with no clothes on, and saw these bug
eyed people looking down from above, it would be extremely

(36:14):
frightening to you. Yeah, and that's where the negative feelings come.
I don't believe that they have very much in a
way of bad feelings for us or they mean us
any harm, because for the most part, the people that
are interfacing with us that way were involved in creating us.

(36:38):
So they are going to do that kind of harmful thing.
They just won't right.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, you know what, you also get the how's this
the version whether it's creation or tweaking that they're really
kind of like, did it just to use us? How's
this as whether it's workers or you know another word,
it's not as equals. And you know, I'm sure you've
heard that version that, yeah, that maybe tweaked us our

(37:05):
genetics to make us whatever for something some ulterior purpose,
but has nothing to do with you know, we want
to welcome you in. We're gonna be the overlords. In
other words, you know, we've just been what it did
for all we know. And I'm going here with different
versions of year like maybe yeah, they've been around, but

(37:26):
they've been harvesting us for maybe ages, and we just
didn't know that. You know, now with more modern stuff
of whether whether it's cameras and things like that, we've
caught on. But you know, before swaps of people maybe
would missing and nobody was hey, that person just or
that group of people disappeared, and who knows what happened

(37:48):
to them? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Well, I don't think they ever wanted to be in
charge of us. They wanted to get us to the
point where we would realize that we are all part
of them, to begin with, that we're all one group,
even though we look so drastically different, we're all part

(38:12):
of the same source. And they want us to advance
to the point where we can be peers with them.
They don't want to be overlords. They don't want any
part of that.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And in the past that has happened when uh, when
there was visitations thousands of years ago. Uh, the people
weren't ready for that. And even though they needed a
little assist in learning how to live right, some of

(38:56):
the things that happened weren't in the in the best
interest of the of the extraterrestrial visitors. They just didn't.
I didn't want any part of it. But now as
we're getting smarter and closer to being on a peer
level with them, now they're a whole lot happier and

(39:19):
will welcome us into a community of planets.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Okay, what do you think we bring to the table.
Is it just because we've reached that level or why
would they you know, because obviously with so much they're
much more advanced than us technologically, at least that much
we know, all right, what do you think we would
bring to the table?

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Well, okay, well that's a multifaceted question there.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I mean, it was like who wants the humans and
those people on Earth?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Right? Technologically we can catch up in a heck of
a hurry. Okay, not because we're so smart, but because
once they reveal to us what their what their technologies are,
then we'll catch on very quickly. Uh. So that that's
that's one aspect that won't be a hindrance. Where the

(40:20):
hindrance would be involved is the uh, the advancement of
the people so that they would they would see, they
would see their existence has nothing but love and respect

(40:43):
for others. Right now, you know, on the planet, that's
not the case.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
In other words, the positive isn't a positive aspect.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
To Yeah, so once once we get to the point
where we're going to have large amounts of people and
advancing to that point, then that will be uh, that
will allow us to be awfully close to them. Okay,

(41:12):
because we're going to be in the fifth dimension at
that point and some of us may not even have
corporal bodies.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Well, you be mean to my next question because you
know obviously, but let you know, you always think, you know,
we're kind of attached to our bodies, especially since we're live.
You know that that part which is like how do
you how's this? Because you know you always see, let's
we'll use a space movie, you know where if you're
going into an atmosphere, you know you've got a spacesuit

(41:42):
on or you've got a life form that there's not
us holl's this. You know, there's other things out there,
maybe beyond our imagination, Like how would we be able
to like we would have to wear a space suit
or something, you know, what would be the common meeting
ground for you to see or exchange ideas that It's
like that's a big question mark because not everything we

(42:03):
have to come to the realization more than likely everything
out there is really, really, really different from us.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I think once a certain amount of us on this
planet have have advanced themselves to a full five dimensional existence,
then they don't need the bodies and they don't even
use language. They just mind the mind like a kind

(42:34):
of Yeah, so we'll be very close to these other civilizations,
and we can catch on to what they're doing and
be able to communicate and cohabitate because we will be
full of love for everything and everyone.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, what do you think in this whole let's say,
what do you think is going to be the role
of AI and robotics that's now advancing so rapidly, you know,
at parallel with UFO discoveries. What do you think is
how that's going to play into this?

Speaker 2 (43:13):
I think we're going to have to be real careful
with that. M h. I think the AI could easily
get out of hand and start our demise.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
It is a nice way of putting it. Okay, all right,
why do you do you believe that AI will become
self aware? In other words, you know, realize, well, you
know what, these humans get any point turn me off
if they wanted to. So I got to make sure
that doesn't happen. How do I do that get rid

(43:48):
of all the humans?

Speaker 2 (43:51):
That's that's possible. I think that's what we have to
be careful of and monitor the AI as it goes on. Unfortunately,
it grows so quickly, right, we may not be able
to control it. We may actually need assistance from visitors

(44:16):
from beyond in order to control it, because it's going
to grow very quickly.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Right, Because sometimes I think, well, or if not the
de minds of the human race, you know, how's this
find some way of doing away with all the scientists
or all the texts that know how to run it,
and then just leave the people that don't know what
to do with it? Like in other words, if you

(44:43):
know how to run this thing, we're going to get
rid of you. In other words, we'll, you know, we'll
just leave enough humans running around that have no expertise
or knowledge of what to do with AI or robotics
that kind of deal. And then, of course, you think,
what would they keep us fro for? Who knows? Because

(45:03):
you know, we always think that this is the thing.
Humans in and of themselves usually try to find a
purpose in life, a reason for existence, whatever it might
be everybody's different. But then you ask yourself, Okay, if
AI goes become scentious, self aware, what would its purpose
be if there were no humans to tell it what
to do? Is it just the existence or what would happen?

(45:26):
You know, It's one of those things like But I
agree with you though that I think that that is
a very slippery slope that we really don't understand. There's
things that we imagine, and there's a lot of stuff
we haven't imagined, and then, like you said, or we
get to a point that by the time we realize
it's like too late. You know, you can't unplug it.

(45:49):
That kind of thing, because I know everybody there's many
people that think of robotics and AI as you know,
replacement for jobs and all that work that people don't
like to do. This repetitive and boring, but you know,
maybe not as dramatic as like to the Terminator movie,

(46:11):
like Skynet kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
But yeah, that that that whole thing. I obviously I
don't know where it's gonna go, all right, But that's
why I mentioned before that it may get out of
hand for us as humans and we may require the assistance.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Can you imagine all the ets are waiting for us
to get fifth dimensional and we're done in by AI
and they're like, what happened? You know? Yeah the robots
got oh boy, and they were almost there.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
All that is possible?

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yep. Yeah, you know, wouldn't that be ironic in a way.
We're advancing on a and a levels so that we
could basically hook up with other types of racist or
species from other planets or galaxies, and our own invention
basically decimates us. That'd be very ironic.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
You know. I really wouldn't be surprised if that's happened
before somewhere in the universe. Okay, we as a people
get so smart that we create this this thing and
think it's helping us for a while until it decides

(47:39):
not to help us anymore, and then we're in big trouble.
And I would not be surprised if that happened somewhere.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Yeah. Oh no, absolutely absolutely. And I'm gonna I'm gonna
use Hollywood as a reference because everybody's seen a lot
of movies, So I don't know if there was the
first alien movie in which you know that they encounter
the alien and it turns out that the Science Officer
is an android, very made to look very much like

(48:08):
a human. Basically, it's like a and it's tasked with,
you know, bringing back this life form to Earth. Even
that in other words, the crew is expendable, right, which
is like, you know, everybody thinks of the alien being
the villain of the movie, in reality it's the science Officer.
You know, Yeah, you have big problems with the alien,

(48:30):
but the real villain is And then of course the
how's this? And I'm getting to the that it's a
corporation that has built these ais and put them, let's say,
on an explored well it was a mining trip, but
always on the hope that they come across some type
of life form, and that humans are expendable at the

(48:50):
behast of corporations owned by humans but that have the
the robots do their dirty work for them. I don't
think that's far fetched either, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I know, I know, it's I'm I'm I don't have
necessarily a good feeling about it at this point. I
think it's gotten already, it's gotten out of hand, but
I don't I'm not in the middle of the construction

(49:21):
of the thing, so I don't have that that inside knowledge,
but it seems a little scary to me at this point.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Well, you know what, I think part of the impetus
is we you know, we always think of like again,
like I said, you know from whether you think of
it as of from hey, we're going to use it
in manufacturing or you know. I think that there's also
an impetus of people that want to live forever but
their bodies will not, and they're hoping somehow or other

(49:53):
they will try to get their their awareness. How's that
I guess that is the only way with their mind
into a body that does a it all apart that,
behind the scenes, there's a part of the the effort
is you know, forget the thing that you know, companies
will use them to do, you know, manufacturing or do
the hard labor. No, I think there's behind the scenes,

(50:14):
there's there's a group of them that are saying, hey,
you know what if you know you remember that there
was a bunch of I guess people with deep pockets
that had they were crygenically frozen after death because they
were hoping that at some point in the future they
were going to be able to be revived.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Ken Williams was one of them.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Really, I did not know that, okay, that there was
a and I think that this is the this is
the twenty first century version of that of that wish,
all right, you know. In other words, I'm not gonna
hope that I'll be brought out of this when they know,
we'll find a way of inserting your personality, your mind,

(50:56):
your whatever, you have, whatever you want to call it,
into some type of robot or something like that.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Years ago that wasn't possible, and they were What they
were hoping for is that a medical field would have
expanded quickly enough that they would be able to go back,
wake them up and fix them.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
Now that's less of a of an issue, uh than
being able to download their consciousness, their entire mind onto
a computer and reutilize that into a cyborg or something
along those lines.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Exactly exactly that we're gonna you know, and some other
stuff here. It's really funny because once upon a time
that would have been deep and high science fiction and
not anymore. And then again we come back to if
we have ets. They were looking at us and thinking,
oh my god, what are they doing?

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I can only imagine what they're thinking.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
It's like exactly like they've gotten. So how's this They've
become so intelligent and so innovative, but at the same time,
what are they doing? They do they realize that they're
going to do away with their own kind m.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Again, that's something I'd be willing to bet that civilization
somewhere in the universe has already done.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
So do you think they could they would step in
and stop us from doing that?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Maybe it would depend on what was going on. Let
me give you an example. If some some rogue person
were to decide to start the big the big war
and uh over override the systems and launch a nuclear

(53:01):
weapon to some other country, I believe they could easily
step in and wipe that out. However, if an entire
country decided to go rogue, then I'm not so sure
that they would be willing to jump in the middle

(53:22):
of that. And uh right.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
That's to see, that's the thing. And and I guess
how's that You know that there's either extermination by that
or you know what they say, death by a thousand cuts,
which is in a way what let's say if our
own intelligence and developing AI and robotics and you know,
down the line, like I said, and I'm always thinking,
you know, they do all these inventions, and they they

(53:48):
go there thinking they can always second guess what will
be the result of whatever it is they're doing. But
I think everything always goes wrong when you have a
result that you could not have foreseen for some reason.
And I think that sometimes that happens, and that's when
things go sideways.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
That makes total sense. I think every civilization that has
done harm to themselves, blown themselves up, or damaged themselves
has always come across something that they didn't expect.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Right exactly howether that they couldn't plan, no contingency for it,
not the worst case scenario, think well, well if that happens,
we'll do that or whatever. It'll be like what what
do you mean that's happening? And again, you know, like
you know, and and part of me, also, Tom I'm thinking,
is you know, I have heard that theory where ets

(54:47):
would step in and we were going to do something
something drastic, especially with you know, like decimating the earth,
you know, with war. And I think some people sometimes
fall back on that like they're going to be savior,
and sometimes I think what if they don't. But if
they're like, okay, you guys wanted to do that. Okay,
I guess we'll start from scratch again or something. I

(55:10):
don't know. I don't want to take the how's this?
I don't think we should fall back on that and
just not be responsible. How's that for our actions?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
You know? Well, we're definitely responsible for all of it,
and I hope that we have the calmness of mind
to make the right decision at the right time.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Let me ask you, what do you think? Or well,
can you tell me about something as how's this? As
it explainable as cattle mutilations that you think? Okay, why
would they want to do this?

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Well? Yeah, that's really interesting. People have been asking that
question for years. Does it have something to do with
the DNA of a cow that they're tinkering with or
does that have something to do with, uh the DNA
that's involved in the cow that they're using to support

(56:16):
their own life forms?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I can't think that. It's more along the lines of
helping themselves and uh taking a cow that we may
not miss and doing what they will with it, uh

(56:42):
right to the good.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
And how's this? I think that if how's this? I
think that if cattle cattle go missing all the time
and cattle just die. That that's that's part of the
that comes with the territory. I think that, you know,
is a little bit difficult to explain. Number one, the
mutilations that there's only certain parts of the cattle. As
a matter of fact, the least desirable parts of the

(57:05):
cattle are taken as number one. And in some instances
they'll say that the ranchers that if they find the carcass,
they'll they they they'll drag it away because even predators
will not go for it, which is unheard of normally.
If it's cattle that dies on its own, then right
away predators come and start eating at it. And it's like, Okay,

(57:30):
I don't know. I guess I think that's a little
bit disturbing, to be honest with you. I think that's
the part that I think makes people afraid as far
as that connection to extraterrestrials, like why are they doing that?

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Hopefully that's one of the first few questions like what.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Do you what are you doing this with the cattle?
The cows?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Right, But I would think that it's a it's a
mundane answer really has nothing to do with with us
as humans.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Okay. In other words, it's just for whatever reason, maybe
it's something that we have no idea what the connection
is until they let us in on it, that we're like, Oh,
is that why you've been taking the cows? Okay, that
would that would be interesting. So what do you what
do you guesstimate? What do you see a timeline? When

(58:19):
do you think that they might do this disclosure?

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah, and in one of the events that happened to
me at night, I've had several conversations with people that
I didn't know who they were, and they told me
that they will see me at twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Really.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yeah, Now that is probably a fairly good date, because
I've heard that painted around by a whole lot of
people that I heard late twenty twenty six, early twenty

(59:07):
twenty seven, mid twenty twenty seven. But it's going to
be that kind of timeframe where something will happen. Now,
maybe it won't be ships that are landing on the
White House lawn so that they would be available on
the evening news. I don't think we'll see that for

(59:29):
a while. However, I do believe that they'll do something
that will be in as I mentioned before, a parade
of ships in the sky and go park and allow
us to just get used to them, and then perhaps
little by little, certain kinds of ships will reveal who's

(59:51):
in them, and as they do that, they'll be from
the very beginning people who are similar to us, and
then it will get a little bit more unusual as
the time goes on, to people who don't look anything
like us and almost are based on a different life form.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Do you think they've hybridized versions of us with them?

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
That's a good question. I've interviewed a bunch of people
who swear up and down that they've had multiple children
through the ets right, and that they have been taken

(01:00:39):
multiple times, and as a matter of fact, with each
of them have been taken up so that they can
meet their children, so that they know that their children
are doing well. And so I think there's going probably
going to be a contingent of hybrids that maybe there

(01:01:07):
how do I say this, It's going to be their
contribution to our planet initially and uh, get us advanced
a whole lot quicker than we would have advanced ourselves.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Maybe make us feel more comfortable because they look more
like us, kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Deal like, Uh, that has got to be part of
the equation. It's got to be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
And what do you think about grace? Do you think
because I've read some versions that they're biomechanical. What do
you think of what do you think about the grace?

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Well, I think the grays are they aren't mechanical. They
are biological, but there they are manufactured biological okay, things
that have certain tasks to do. In other words, when

(01:02:08):
a ship comes in and they need someone to either
talk to or whatever the deal is, they will send
the little grays, which are the biological entities who can
change their vibration very quickly and without any harm for themselves,

(01:02:30):
so they can go from something like the ets are
in the fifth dimension, lower themselves to the third dimension,
then come into our existence and escort us up to
the ship so that they can do whatever they're we're
intending to do and then escort us back. But they

(01:02:53):
can do it easier, right, the little guys, No.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
I understand what you mean, like the yeah, and I've
heard of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Yeah, the actual entities themselves, the fifth dimensional guys, I
think it's probably pretty painful for them to lower the
vibration down the third dimension like we are, and come
in and do their bidding. I think that's it's just
beyond them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Okay, what do you think or what have you come
across as far as the versions that you always hear
kind of negative stuff about that type of eta. Do
they actually exist or what have you heard about that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Okay, you broke up during that. Come the Reptilians. Oh,
the Reptilians. Well, I think the Reptilians are probably third
dimensional beings that are living on our planet and kind
of running the show at this point, but they're starting

(01:03:56):
to lose control. And the ships that are visiting from
other other dimensions, other planets and are coming in and
are eventually going to take over the show and they
are going to show themselves to us. But I think
that the that the Reptilians are probably at least this

(01:04:19):
is what I've heard, what it was discussed with me,
they're probably on the way out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Okay, all right, yeah, because I've I've always heard that
kind of negative stuff about the Reptilians. You know that
they're not that friendly towards humans kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
Yeah, they have their own agenda. I don't think they
particularly care about us. I don't. I'm not so certain
that their negative entities that they hate everything, and but
they have their own agenda and they're they're running their

(01:04:57):
agendas on on the planet now, but they're starting to
lose control.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Well, sometimes I think that we know, of course, as humans,
we judge the actions of let's say et is based
on our moral compass. How's that all right? And that
maybe they'll do something that to us it's like, well,
that's bad, but there's no maliciousness on their part out
do you understand what I'm saying. It's just that's the
way they, like you said, maybe this is something that

(01:05:25):
they do because of their agenda, but what we interpreted
through our sensibilities and they don't mean it that way,
even though the end result for us is negative. How's that?
What do you think? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Okay? I don't think that once you have advance yourself
into the fifth dimension, such as the exit dustrials have done,

(01:06:02):
I don't think that you're really negative at that point.
I think you see everything as a positive. Okay. Now, true,
there may be agendas that are get in the way
of that, but I think generally that's how it goes. Now,
the the the ones that exist on the Earth right now,

(01:06:28):
who are somewhat negative. I'm not so certain that they
came from a different planet or a different place. They
may have lived here all along and maybe just alongside
of us, but were invisible to us. So they may
have been in the in the in the fourth dimension.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
Okay. So basically what you're saying is that if a
species is able to be in the fifth dimension there,
how's this the their motivation or their actions are going
to be always be on the positive side because that
and that, in other words, this is the only way

(01:07:09):
that they were able to attain the fifth dimension.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I think that's probably likely. Now. Of course, I'm not
in the fifth dimension, so I can only go based
on following the dots and see where it means to me.
But that's my understanding.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Okay, right, And you know what, I agree with you,
because at the end of the day, it's like the
big question mark. A lot of this stuff we can
only theorize about it as far as, uh, what really
is their motives or what's going to happen when we

(01:07:55):
actually get to this. You know, maybe it's what we expect.
Maybe it's not, like I said, Maybe our interpretation of
something is not like I said, it's not what you know,
it's what we would like it to be. Do you
understand what I'm saying? Not necessarily, it's like a big

(01:08:17):
question mark of and maybe the understanding is you know
how sometimes you just have to be understanding of differences, like, hey,
you know those that that group from that star, from
that planet. Okay, they're they're fit dimensional, but boy, you
know that kind of deal. It's like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Just absolutely, we're gonna have different opinions of different civilizations
based on what it is that they think they want
from us, and that's going to happen. There's just no
way around that. But I think that once we get

(01:09:01):
up too and approach the fifth dimension, that everyone is
going to be positive and we are going to be
able to draw intensive prepoces, shed our mortal bodies and
live in spirit alongside them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Okay, which is which is really what you know? Everybody
you know at uh? Not that that I don't want
to use because I don't like to put down humans.
I mean, I think there's a lot of good people,
you know. It's just that we are the way we are.
You know what I'm saying. Let me ask you Tom
this last book. What was the last book that you

(01:09:41):
that you put out.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Oh, the last book was The Night Visitants. Okay, that
was basically it was written by Anna, but she interviewed
me and I told her of all the stories and
all the things that have happened to me. There's about

(01:10:05):
twelve or thirteen different events that happened to me were
highly unusual. Let's say, let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Did you ever have experiences as a kid or was
it only after you were an adult?

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
Nop? I had nothing, okay, nothing before that. Before I retired,
I didn't even believe in and really I take anything, nothing, zero.
But I always had a desire to see what people

(01:10:44):
claimed they were seeing on like ghost shows and things
like that. So I joined a paranormal team when I retired. Okay, so,
and then about two years into it, I started writing
blogs about UFOs and that's when my world changed. Everything

(01:11:06):
went fluid. Let me tell you just the stories, the dreams,
the things that what happened to me just just bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Okay. Let me do you think you know? You don't remember?
At the beginning, I mentioned like the weird weather patterns,
and now you know that we had that earthquake slash
tsunami off the coast. Do you think not that then
we would have anything to do with it? Do you
think the reason why I'm bringing it up is, you know,

(01:11:41):
I'm sure you've heard that there's people that are saying
there's weather manipulation. There's a young man who's making the rounds.
He's the CEO of a company called rain Maker where
they've been seeding the clouds. Blah blah blah blah. And
do you think that the weather manipulation is it a
man made or an et uh source? If if that's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Happening, okay, none of the none of the above. I
think what's actually happening is that we have been dumping
crap into our skies for so long that we started
to change the composition of the environment, the composition of

(01:12:28):
the atmosphere, and we we put a large thick layer
of carbon dioxide over top of the Earth. And what
would happened is the sun would would shine on on
the planet and uh, let's say it would come in

(01:12:54):
directly against the the equator, and then what normally used
to happen is it just reflected back out into the space.
That's what used to happen, well, doesn't do that anymore.

(01:13:14):
It it starts to change the environment, and everything ever
so slightly warms up. We've jumped up two degrees centigrade,
which doesn't seem like a lot, but two degrees centigrade
has changed our our environment almost entirely. H Texas will

(01:13:36):
have like three straight months of one hundred degrees the
same same with Arizona and New Mexico. And that has
effected a whole lot of things. Incidentally, one of the
things that that affects is evaporation, and the evaporation of

(01:13:57):
the lakes, it goes up into the atmosphere and there's
more more uh water vapor in the clouds to shut out.
So what happens is we have bigger storms, and because
we have bigger storms, we have larger rain events smaller

(01:14:26):
in smaller areas, just as what happened back in the
beginning of July and in Central Texas. Yeah. So so
it's just since we changed the environment by doing what
we were doing, we have a problem.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Now do you think that also solar flares then that
reach us. If there's a solar flare that that also
has some impact.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
I don't think they have too much of an back.
I think the only impact that the solar flare has
is charging the upper atmosphere and creating uh light shows
up up north. And those light shows uh have become

(01:15:22):
so large that they are uh down almost at times
down into North Carolina and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Aurora Borealis kind of right that normally you would think
you can only see it if you're way up there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yeah, it never ever happened when when I was a kid.
You know, it may have been once once in a
lifetime event back when I was a kid, But now,
oh my goodness, it's happening constantly. So there's a lot
of things that we've done to the planet that are

(01:15:58):
changing it, not necessarily for the good, and we have
to we have to get through that. Now. Will ET
come in and help us with the technology to pull
the pull the COEO two, ext the CO two and

(01:16:22):
methane out of the air well. What's happening now is
the Earth is warming up so much that the permafrost
is melting, and that's where all the methane is is
is stored. So as the permafrost melts, the methane bubbles
up and goes up into the atmosphere and that is

(01:16:45):
well probably eight or ten times as potent as COEO two. Okay,
so yeah, it's one is feeding the other, which is
feeding the first, reinforcing the second, and it's just made
the planet extra hot. And we are approaching a point

(01:17:09):
where the planet is almost coming uninhabited right and years ago,
maybe seventy five to one hundred years. But if we
don't get it under control, then we're going to have
a real big problem.

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
Or hopefully eat will step up in saber butts.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
How do you think, I hope, Oh my goodness, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Why not? You know they'll be like, okay, you guys
stopping and not cut off her, re exterminate yourself. Jeez,
it happens. I mean that's what again. You know, I
want to say, I don't want to leave it totally
like that, because, like I said, I think it, you know,
we let go of our responsibility. But then you always

(01:17:54):
hope that that yeah, some because something's you know, they
like you said said, sometimes it's a slippery slope downwards.
It's like you want to fix it, but it's like
too late, too late.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Yeah, And I certainly hope that doesn't happen with with
the the Earth heating up because it's it's heating up
at on the North and the South Pole more than
in the center of the planet, and that is in
effect starting to have a real effect on the ice.

(01:18:30):
And if the Antarctic mounts or Greenland mounts or something
like that, we're going to have multiple cities around the
world that are just going to be underwater.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Now that you mentioned Antarctica, do you think there is
any truth to what they're saying that there are beutiful
basis or bases period and in an Antarctica.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
There's there's something there. I don't know what it is,
but I think it's something very unusual. That's all I
can say about them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Right Just I think from the point of that they
don't allow people. You can't you just can't go up
there or fly there or something like that. I believe
it's kind of restricted.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
You can't fly over, but they want to fly over that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
I know. I know, but that's always going to feel
a conspiracy things. Think about it. Oh, why can't we
do that? You know that kind of deal? Yeah again, Tom,
let me ask you you working on any new books
or anything new right now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah, I'm I am struggling. Let me, pay, I'm having
trouble writing a book. And the book is supposedly about God. Okay,
Now I am not a priest, a minister, or anything else. Now,

(01:19:55):
why the heck would I write a book about God. Well,
in in one of the events that happened that I
dictated to Anna early in the morning, I woke up.
It was, again my usual time of waking up since

(01:20:17):
I started having these nighttime dreams, was almost exactly three am.
And when I woke up, that's when I would be
realizing that I knew stuff that I didn't think I
should know. Somebody's been talking to me. It's very, very strange, Marlean.

(01:20:40):
I can't even put my finger on what I think
is happening. But right into my ear and I heard
this as an audible voice, it was. It was something
along the lines of God is far bigger than you

(01:21:00):
ever thought it was. And uh, I think you should
write about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
It, okay, and you're gonna do it, then.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Well, I'm trying. It's so hard, because who the heck
am I. I mean, I don't have the background, and
I've started and stopped this particular section several times already,
but I know I have to because something or someone

(01:21:33):
is talking in my ear and encouraging me to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
So okay, all right, Well, you know what, there's a
lot of people that sometimes things work themselves out as
you start going along, yep. But some people they've never
even get started. They talk themselves out of it because
you know, they're they feel I don't I don't have
anything like or like what you said. I don't have
any background this, like what am I gonna?

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Yeah, But one of the things that I learned and
early on is that, well, let me put this. I
was raised Catholic, and I had a set of beliefs
based on my time in grade school Catholic schools, and

(01:22:22):
of course they taught all the curriculum and everything else.
And then I got away from the church when I
was when I entered the military, and I just never
went back to it because something didn't seem right to
me about the teachings of God and what I was realizing.

(01:22:49):
So something was off. And when I heard that voice
in my head, it was almost like something turned me
on to start thinking about God again. And since then
God has become a ah, God has become a wow.

(01:23:13):
This is hard to even put into words. God has
become something that I look for and just about everything
that I do, Okay, And it has absolutely nothing to
do with what I was taught in grade school. And

(01:23:39):
it has virtually nothing to do with the court one
of the courses that I took in the college, which
was comparative religions. It's not the same God. It just isn't.
And what I seem to seem to, uh, I want

(01:24:00):
to settle in on is that we all came from
exactly the same place, all of us, excess to everything,
all sorts, in exactly the same place. The source, the
source of all of this is the same source, the
same source, one one true God, and has again nothing

(01:24:23):
to do with with religion or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Else, theology or dogma or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Nothing. And uh, I'm trying to piece together what my
thought process has become and how I can put it
into words. And it's not easy. You see me struggling

(01:24:52):
trying to explain it. It's very very difficult for me
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
Well, maybe you'll get it. Maybe you'll have another ream
or another insight or something like you said that when
you're waking up in the morning, that you'll get that
that flash, whether it's intuition or a thought or like
you know that thing that it's like, okay, I thought
of that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I keep asking Okay at night when I go to sleep,
you guys want me to do that. I need a
little bit of help. Somebody want to talk to me.
I gotta get some help on this, and I'm still
waiting for an answer.

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Yes, I know. You know sometimes and you know what,
as a as a trained hypnotherapist, I will tell you
that sometimes we kind of put our own stumbling blocks
when we think we're out of our depth or we're
like this is beyond me. So in other words, we
kind of sabotage ourselves in a way. So I wouldn't

(01:25:59):
be surprised if that's part of it. Like part of you,
the logical or conscious part of your mind, wants to
move forward with this, like like give me something. But
then there may be is a subconscious part on your life.
I like this, this is a big How am I
going to figure this out?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
You know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
I don't know where to start? You know, in other words,
you short change yourself or this is beyond me, or
how am I gonna? God? This is a that's this
is this The subject matter is what so, you know,
sometimes we kind of block ourselves in a way. Yeah,
a little bit out of fear.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
I've been struggling with us, Marlene, for about two years now,
all right, And I think I may be done with
writing about the UFOs because I went into the database
structure and what the sightings were, put them into graphs

(01:26:57):
and everything else, and I think I'm done with that
particular aspect of it. I made my my proofs, and
I expected, I expected the proofs to stand on their
own merit. Right now, it's like I've been I've been

(01:27:25):
asked to do something a little different. So I don't know.
We'll see and you expect it. Tell me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
I want to thank you. It's been wonderful to speak
to you, all right for my podcast listeners. Where can
I find more information about you and your books, et cetera?
H Where can they go? Where do you have like
a website or.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
No, I don't. My books are on sale and Amazon Amazon.
I write under the name Thomas W.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Conwell, Okay, all right, And I know sometimes that makes
a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yeah, because there's so many there's about four or five
Tom Conwell's believe it or not?

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Okay, Yeah, Thomas W. Conwell, And I think I'm the
only Thomas W. Conwell around and the only person with
the last name of Conwell that writes about UFOs. So
it shouldn't be that difficult to find.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Let me ask you. In your prior books, I know
that in your bio there's mentioned that you have a
three volume series. What do you detail there is this
people telling you about their experiences or investigations that you
carried out or you were just tracking people saying, hey,
I solve this at this place.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Okay. The National UFO Reporting Center has a database. Okay,
database is available to everyone, and you can go in
and look at the sightings, the citing reports, and what
people think. They write their own sighting report. Sometimes it's

(01:29:13):
two paragraphs, sometimes it's twenty paragraphs, but they write and
and and say what what they saw and what they
think they saw? Okay, and I what I did it
was I read through all of the sightings, I mean

(01:29:35):
all of them, okay, uh and picked out the ones
that I thought were the most h important or convincing,
and those are part of the book, whether the rescripture.
And then I also looked at some of the major

(01:29:56):
types of sightings that were that were made and graphed
them by year and showed how the amount of sightings
has increased over the years.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Just answer my next question says, you've been tracking that.
What is it? Is the reporting gone up as far
as the number of.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
Reports, Yes, it went up slowly in the early years.
This is from like nineteen forty five to nineteen ninety
nineteen ninety five. And the reason that it just went
up for that is because the National UFO Reporting Center

(01:30:38):
was not taking reports at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Okay, okay, okay, I see people.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Would see that that this this thing was there, and
they called in their own reports from the previous times,
and there's a whole lot I understand, now, understand, Okay.
Then in nineteen ninety five give or take, because when

(01:31:05):
they started categorizing their sightings and then they put them
in a huge database by about two thousand and five,
and there was a slight increase of sightings from two
thousand and five to two thousand and eleven, give or take,
and then at two thousand and eleven it jumped way up.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
So let me ask prior they started putting this up
in nineteen ninety five.

Speaker 2 (01:31:34):
The stories, Wow, yeah, about that but people.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Would detail stuff that maybe might have happened to them
twenty or thirty years before. Yes, yes, I understand. I
understand because I was thinking what they were writing. Note
this is the advent of the internet, where you could
send it an email or something as far as to
get your story into that database.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Yes, yep, I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Now I understand. Okay, that's got to be really interesting
because I bet you there's a people there that it's like,
I gotta I gotta get this off my chest. I
gotta let somebody know about what I saw or heard
or you know, whatever experience, even if they haven't told
anybody else. I think there's a lot of people like
that walking around.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Some of the people were so excited to report what
they saw. You could tell that they were excited because
they started making stupid errors in the text that they
were typing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Yeah, And.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
The more that they went into it, the worse the
writing became. And yeah, they they had their hands full
trying to get their point across. And in some cases
I didn't use those reports because they got so bad

(01:32:53):
and you couldn't even read them anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:32:57):
You know what, their mind is going faster.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Than I know I know, but I only included the
ones that I thought were highly plausible, Okay, the ones
that weren't plausible or you could tell people were not
making them up, but they didn't necessarily see some of

(01:33:23):
the things that were writing down right exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
They could be mistaken people. You know, it's not that
they believe, it's just that what they're seeing, they're mistaken
on what they think they're seeing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Yes, yep. But there's there's a whole lot of reports
from each particular state. Uh. Maybe in some cases there
may be six or seven verbal reports from a particular state.
And again I picked the really good ones, the ones

(01:33:55):
that were believable. And I think that because I put
so many reports together in these books, that it spoke
for itself, right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
And again, these are people that don't know each other,
you see what I'm saying. These are individual sightings or
an experience that they had that you can say, well,
you know, did you let me ask you, did you
come across any type of common thread among any of
those reports besides the.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Siting in what regard.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Well, whether it was the time of year, weather conditions,
or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Okay, most of the reports were made from six PM
to about eleven PM. Okay, now that's because that's the
time that people went out to smoke at night.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Oh my god, y, it's right. I hadn't thought of that. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Yeah, they're out there smoking and they're my blank and
they look, what the heck is that? Yeah, and or
they're out walking their dog and that's the time where
they don't have anything to do with their minds, just
look up. But uh the uh. Another one of the

(01:35:21):
big ones is everybody's looking up for fireworks on July fourth,
very very big day to report sightings. Really interesting because
people are looking up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Yeah, they're paying attentions.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
Yeah, you're if you ever thought about, you know, taking
your garbage out and you're going you take your garbage
out and your head's down and you're walking and put
the garbage out and you walk back in the house
and you don't even look up.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. I agree. Very few people
less for some reason. But yeah, start gazing or anything
like that in and of itself. Yeah, we're we're too
caught up either doing a mental to do list or
I gotta get back in the side and watch that
show that you know. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
We're living in the in the north like I live
in oh It is freezing out here. I gotta get
back in.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
Yeah, let me do this quick, right, get in and
out again. Tom, Thank you so much. I'm going to
put a link to your to your author's page on
Amazon and the credits of the show. And thank you
so much. It has been wonderful to speak to you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
Okay, nice speaking with you, Moullane. Thank you for the
opportunity to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
On the contrary. In the contrary, it's been my pleasure.
Take care.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
He's very optimistic about ETS and anybody that's listened to
me before, I'm how's this. I want to be that
way about ETS. I want to think that they're nice
and that they're going to help us, or that they're
at some point they're gonna say, okay, you're you guys
have caught on, you're not barbarians anymore and joined us.

(01:37:07):
I would like to believe this that version of but
I'm afraid I'm not gonna lie to you. Maybe I've
just watched too many shows where ET turns out that they,
you know, want us to eat us, like that Twilight Zone.
But anyway, God knows, there's a bunch of series of
movies that you know that. But again, and and I

(01:37:29):
know where he's coming from. He saying, well, if you
know what if these ets, like he said, fifth dimensional,
we're not talking you know, seeing or experiencing things like
we do now in the third dimension. Okay, but still
you know, therefore, how's this. They're technologically they are more advanced.

(01:37:52):
That's like a given. If they're there, and if they've
been able to travel, yes, they are. However it is
that they got here, whether it's a wormhole, interdimensional, or
they just figured out some way that we have no
idea of how they did it. They're more advanced than us,
and you know, usually that puts us not us any

(01:38:13):
you know. And you can say, well, you know, you're
basing that on the way human sees thing that the
more technologically advanced group is always going to have the
advantage or the the group is at the mercy and
maybe they're just not that way. You're looking at it
through the way a human sees things. But I can't

(01:38:34):
help it because the only experience I have is being
a human being, which is that the more technologically advanced group,
even if they're not cruel or bad they still hold
sway over what they could do for us or on

(01:39:01):
for us, you know, I mean for us or against us.
How's that you're not in an even footing with them.
You can't negotiate, you can't tell them. Yeah no, yeah,
we could, we could have some type of relationship or whatever.

(01:39:23):
But you guys gotta leave our planet. Wow, Well then
if you don't, we'll kick you out. In other words,
the negotiations are only done between groups or people or
whatever you want to call it, that are at the
same level. Right, let's face it. If once appearing, it's

(01:39:43):
out here. Yeah, you can use the word negotiations, but
it's just a nice wort of saying, all right, we'll pretend,
we'll pretend that you got some saying this unless it's
something that we don't want, and then you'll find out
you don't have a say in it. And I guess
that's always my my the way I look at that
whole situation of what's going to be first contact, if

(01:40:03):
there's ever going to be first contact, you know, with
an extraterrestrial race, whatever species, God knows, it could be
nothing that's not that does not appear to be human. Like,
how's this.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
We're hoping that that because let's face it, any thing species, grays,
whatever you want to call them, that has the ability
to travel or be here and not be seen, has
the upper hand over us. I don't care which way

(01:40:40):
they can be. Yeah, you guys said, well, they're nice,
they're beneficent, they want to help us, and then eventually
they're just wait, Okay, that's great. That's that's like you're
hoping you're right, but there's still not a good feeling
unless you know, hey, ah, we're you know, what if
we wanted you to leave. What if we told you, hey,

(01:41:02):
now that we know you're here or you've been around,
we want you to leave, or yeah, or we'll hang
out there, but you know, you got to get off planet.
All these ships got to go. And you know, if
you want to send down some ambassador, some emissaries, that's great,
but we want you guys out of here. How do
we make them comply? And you can say, well, and

(01:41:22):
you know, if you go by Tom's you know, once
we've reached that level of fifth dimensional whatever, we would
never say something like that or that. We would be
very happy because we're going to be able to meet
or join these groups, but again a lot of minute. Ah. Yes,

(01:41:47):
that's one of my emergency bypaths for the family. That
the timing is impeccable like always, and I kind of
think I know it's about but anyway, you know what,
I'll tell you what that's that's gonna be my cue
to add the show because you know what, there's nothing.
And by the way, for anybody that's wanting to know

(01:42:08):
what that is, that is the theme from Johnny Quest.
As you could tell, that was like my favorite show
when I was a kid, Johnny Quest, and it was
it was not it was so politically correct. You know.
They was firing rifles and you know Race Bannon and
Johnny Quest and Hodgie the Little Dog Bandit and they
would run around and throw spears and fire a gun

(01:42:31):
and it was like it was great. It was like
James Bond for kids. That's great. And I'm not talking
they made any version that stinks. The original the best.
The best was Johnny Quest. But anyway, guys, please sign
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(01:42:54):
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I came in at sixty four. For those of you
who think, well, that's a big deal, Marley, believe it
or not, there's a lot of podcast theme podcasts with

(01:43:16):
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I'm on all the major podcast platforms at mppelviser dot com.

(01:43:39):
And I'm on all the major video platforms and even
the podcasts, even the podcast shows I do. I'm on
the video because I make a video version to be
able to be on the video platform even though it's
a podcast. How's that it's not? You know, it's the
same thing. You know where you put a static picture,

(01:43:59):
that's the way that you can access And again, you know,
I have you know, if you have some type of
favorite podcast platform, I'm on there. I'm on Spotify, I Heeartradio,
blah blah blah blah, you name it. You know you
can find me there on any of the shows Eerie,
Dot News, et cetera. And again I have a lot
of As a matter of fact, that's it. I'm already

(01:44:21):
bringing in guests for season eighteen, which is what runs
from January to June of twenty twenty six. Everybody's already
been booked in for the rest of the season of seventeen. Okay,
so yeah, hang tight, guys, and maybe let's see what
find out. What Tom was saying twenty twenty seven, is
that going to be the year that we're going to
get disclosure from somebody, the ETS, the government, somebody, somebody's

(01:44:46):
gonna say, Okay, enough waiting. Anyway, guys, I will see
you soon. Thank you for being here. Till next time.

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