Lost Legends and Cryptids | Interview with Christian MacLeod | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (01:18):
So how's everybody doing? Hold on? Oh wait, I'm here,
how's everybody doing good? Everything is good over here, he says,
being brutally hot. That is, so I can then continue
with Mike, it's so hot. It is it is. It's
hot and steamy, and like, right now I'm looking out
this window and when there's not a leave story because

(01:39):
let me tell them what, it's hot, but you get
a little bit of a breeze, I'm looking out my
window and I've got a big tree. As a matter
of fact, I got a flag and American flag I
can see from where I'm at and usually, believe it
or not, that's how I know when something even rains
coming in, because it'll start fucking nothing. It's nothing's moving,
all right. So but besides that, now that I'm like

(01:59):
I've done my my weather report here from northern Florida,
everybody's I was like, oh, what other strange story have
you come across? Well, you know, I do have a
strange story.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
And what this this strange story is is hold on,
it's this is we're gonna we're gonna stray away from
are you aphobos system?

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Right? Here we go? Mhm right, this is a little
bit out there. This has to do with a Titanic.
How's that? What do you think about this? Okay, this,
I'm sure everybody's I don't know. I'm not gonna let
me not generalize. I take that back, I take that back.
As you sometimes think this is as a matter of fact,

(02:45):
this is uh, this is an unexplained mysteries and it
came out of popular mechanics is where the original article
is out of. But bizarre conspiracy theory suggests that the
Titanic didn't actually sink. Right now, This has been around
for a while, and this is basically what I say.
Conspiracy theorists have perpetuated a room in recent years that
rewrites the events of the Titanic disaster. The fact that

(03:08):
the Titanic at Nisberg and sank in nineteen twelve is
well established, and you might think that it would be
impossible to claim that it didn't happen, and you would
be right up to a point. This particular conspiracy, however,
doesn't claim that no ship at all sank in the
Atlantic on that date. Instead of claims that the ship
that sank wasn't actually the Titanic, it was the Olympic.
In the early nineteen hundreds of White Star Line, who

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built both ships, was keen to beat the Lusitania and Mauritania,
which was the largest passion jaership of their day. To
the Senate commissioned three vessels, the Titanic, the Olympic, and
the Britannic. The Olympic was completed first, but on its
fifth voy wage a collision with another ship saw it
sustained significant damage, and a later court case declared that

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White Star Line was responsible. This is where the conspiracy
theorists say things began to differ from the official story.
Is They argued that the incident was so damn imaging
for White Star Line that when the Titanic was completed,
they decided to pull off an insurance scam by relabeling
the two ships that the Olympic was now the Titanic
and vice versa. The original Olympic, which is now the Titanic,

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would then be scuttled in an accident so that they
could recoup their losses on an insurance plane for a
brand new ship. What they didn't account for hours is
ship hitting an iceberg on its maiden voyage. Of course,
there is no concrete evidence to support the theory, and
expert typically agree that the whole idea is complete nonsense.
Maybe even so, there remains a significant number of people

(04:36):
who seem to believe that it's true. I don't know,
what do you think. Let me see, I know this
article here in Popular Mechanics, it goes more into you know,
JP Morgan, and you know why they might have done
that as far as they're showing here the Let me
tell you something, honestly, it was not unheard of for

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shipping companies to scuttle ships or to have them have
an accident, either when the ship was getting really old,
right or that you know, they had had some type
of damage and then they would just oh, it caught
fire too bad, you know, and of course it had

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to be, or they would let it rag. Oh the anchors,
the anchor rope snapped in, it ran into the rocks,
because this is how some of them would recouped their losses,
especially because remember this was not only the ship, it
was the equipment, It had anything in the cargo whatever.
Now what I'm curious about this is that they're saying, oh,

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they were planning to do something to the supposedly Titanic,
which is really the Olympic. Okay, as they would be
scuttled in an accident. But I'm thinking what kind of accident?
You know? It almost sells like what they didn't expect
that this ship was going to hit an iceberg. But
I'm thinking myself, Okay, what kind I had. It would

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have to be a significant accident to get a ship
that big two I don't know, to disappear and go
into the waves. I mean, in other words, it couldn't
be damage where it would be could be sailed back
to port somewhere. So it makes you wonder. And then
you know, there's other conspiracy which we would want to
get into, where some believed that there were certain members

(06:30):
of very imminent banking families that were basically in other words,
the I want to call it that, and I know
it's more complicated. Basically, the Titanic was sunk by hitting
the iceberg some somehow or other because they there was
people on that ship from the banking families that they

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wanted to get rid of because they were standing in
the way of what they wanted to do as far
as the Federal Reserve and all these other banking like,
not everybody was on board with it. So I don't know,
what do you think. I mean, we're talking conspiracies, and nowadays,
I mean taste something. Now, once upon a time, a
conspiracy theorist was like a bad word. It turns out

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that a lot of people it's like, oh God, that
wasn't a conspiracy after all. So that's what I'm saying.
Anything is possible, Anything is possible, even though they seem
improbable short of impossible, And that doesn't sound like an
impossible scenario to me, that they could relabel one and
that maybe unforeseen, they they could hit an iceberg again,

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and remember the Titanic, which obviously these three ships were
built identical, they were sister ships. They were considered unsinkable
to the fact, of course, which is later on proved
to be a problem, which is that they didn't have
enough lifeboats on them in order to get everybody off
the ships because they were deemed unsinkable. So again, there's

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something there where I don't know. Tell me what you think,
but anyway, let's get onto the good part. Tell me
what you think about that conspiracy, by the way, and
any other conspiracy you can think of, but especially like
maritime conspiracies. Okay, onto the good part. The good part
is who's the guest today at soych of the Supernatural.
He's been here before. His name is Christian mccoude. He's

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a director and lead investigator of the ACAPS all Right,
which stands for American Cryptid and Paranormal Society, and he
has over twenty five years of experience investigating crypti and
paranormal activities with a passion for studying and preserving the
Native American tribe, culture, folklore, and legends. He also knows
about dealing with tropics such as the occult, have Foes,

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forbidden archaeology, the Freemasons, the Knights, Templar, secret societies, and
many other government cover allegations and conspiracy theories. You know
what that means. We're going to ask a question about
the sinking of the Titanic, but anyway. He holds a
bachelor's level degree in psychology and minor in criminology from
the University of South Florida and in Advanced Masters of
Art and Teaching degree from West Western Carolina University. He's

(09:10):
currently finishing a second master's degree in American history from
Western Carolina University and plants to continue into a PhD program.
All right. He has worked in conjunction with Joshua p
Won for many years at the American Cryptan Paranormal Society
in an effort to study French phen. I'm going to
discover scientific explanations to that which cannot be explained. Right,

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so we're going to ask him. There's so much we
could ask him about. Help me welcome him. How are
you doing today, Christian, I'm doing great.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
That guy sounds pretty impressive. I don't know who he is.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Who is that guy? I don't know?

Speaker 4 (09:50):
And read that every day?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Yeah, let me tell you. I know. That's why I
was reading. I was like, I hope this is Kurt,
but it's just a couple of it. It doesn't matter.
How are you. Thank you again for at Marlene.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
I love doing your show. I think this is important.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
The fourth time I brought that thing about the conspiracies,
because everything is a conspiracy. Now.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
You know what's funny is I've actually had people I
was just listening to what you said conspiracy. Everyone used
to think I was an idiot. When I was in college,
they used to call me Spooky McCloud. That was that
was my nickname. And I've had people call me in
the last year or so and say, hey, you remember
when we used to and be like, yeah, you were right.
I'm like, yeah, I know, because it's like they finally
people get on board and I get it. You used

(10:33):
to have total trust in the government, used to be
able to trust people.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
And sometimes I would watch some stuff I'm talking to
her twenty years ago or whatever, so I'd be like,
they're crazy.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Oh yeah, Like when George Colin got on the Jazz
about you know, is this group of people he's one
hundred percent right?

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Uh? You know?

Speaker 4 (10:50):
And and the Titanic. What a great conspiracy there, because
the truth of the matter is there's something really behind that.
Here's what I've always wondered, how did an iceberg, say
an ironclad boat?

Speaker 2 (11:01):
How how does that you miss it? Or how could you? Like?

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Well, now, even if I don't care how big the
iceberg is, you're still talking steel plates, all right, steel
plates I have. That'd be like me trying to smash
up my my frying pan, my old school lodge frying
pan with an ice ice brick. It's not gonna happen.
I'm gonna I'm gonna end up smashing through it.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I don't. I just don't see. You know, you it's
supposed to be. You know these days they lay out
their their navigation charts, so you know you're gonna be
going through the North Atlantic. You know there's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
But they also knew that iceberg was there because the
British woul run into it, what a week earlier.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Right, So that's what I'm saying. It's not like, oh
we were warm waters and there all of a sudden
we had an iceberg. No, if you know what you're
traveling through.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
It's like, here's the thing. I want to Once I
see what they got paid out of their insurance, then
you'll know the truth because I've never seen that. But
roth Child was supposed to be on that boat, so
was it?

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (11:56):
And he quit canceled last minute, so didn't what's the
other robber Baron who's uh he was supposed to be
on there too. You just mentioned up. Morgan was supposed
to be on there. His old staff was supposed to
be there, his wife, everything, and they are the last
bent like seriously, five minutes before the boat takes off.
They just did not want to go. So you can't
tell me someone didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Know what was going on. It's the same old story.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
It's the powers that be don't want people around for
odd reasons. We know it was because of the FED,
because you're right, Hoover didn't want Whober was trying to
push the FED through right now, you.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Know, right, I'm looking at something as a JP Morgan.
He was one that canceled right before okay, exclaiming illness, yep, okay.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
And Ross John's was supposed to be on that boat
and he wasn't one of them. Yeah, they financed it,
didn't They didn't. They finance White Star lines.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think that they were involved somewhere like so.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
I thought they paid for it.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
They Another notable figure canceled. His reservation was Milted Hershey.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, Hershey, here you go. God, thank god he thank you.
He didn't get on there.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
I wouldn't. I don't want think about it. I don't
think about the world.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Like I mean, I don't want to think about the
world about peut butter cups.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I'm sorck. It's like, thank God, thank god, mister Hershey,
I mean met him, but well, this is the thing.
The other day I was reading because I'll do a
lot of research. There was you know, there was one time.
There's there's an entrance off the Columbia River up like
by Oregon and Washington up there that's known there's a

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lot of ships that wreck, but there was around nineteen
eleven they had the ship that was coming in. It
ended up. Like in other words, if you don't know
how to steer coming in through the entrance that takes
you into the Columbia River, which is that support, this
ship ended up. It just ended up on these rocks.
They were able to like shoot a line over to

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the ship and get the crew of like twenty off
of it. And we were just saying like, hey, why
didn't you steer away from it? Like oh, because it
was in the middle of the afternoon on a clear day.
Because part of the problem there is that sometimes it
gets real foggy, so some ships end up but when
it's bad weather. But that day was in the afternoon
on a clear day, so they were asked and there

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was reports of the captain being drunk. The second made
everybody being drunk and which normally you're not allowed to
do that, especially if you're coming into port. But anyway,
it got right. But later on what they were saying
was they disciplined, like the captain and the first officers,
like they suspended the license of one and the other.

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But what they were saying was, which I had never
been aware of, that this was a sailing ship, and
that around this time steamships had come out. So all
these companies that owned all these clipper ships, all the
everybody that was worth their salt had gone off and
was captaining or working on steamships, and all these anything
that was basically driven by win they were like outdated.

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So in other words, what they were applying was that
they had allowed the ship to run for the same thing,
for the purposes of getting insurance money. So that because
the ship was even though the ship was like twenty
or thirty years old, it was that's it. It was
an obsolete thing.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
Yeah, but I mean, you know, you look at the
old clipper ships. I mean, I'm a huge fan. I've
got in my I've got models of the old boats everywhere.
I love those, and I'm a huge like USS constitution,
just I collect stuff from that. I mean, but you understand,
I'm with you. These boats. Once the steam engine came
in in a play, everything was useless.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well there was, well why because they started looking at
because the captain had a long history. He was like
twenty five years but he was not a problem with alcohol.
But they were looking at the other officers and they
were very inexperience and they were saying, uh, did what
do you do with all this inexperienced crew? And they
were saying, oh, because everybody that's got experience is now
working on steamships.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
No, yeah, and that's a whole different animal, right.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Nobody and out of your crew, and none of your
officers want are working on a sales ship. And guess what,
except you know, unless you've got a captain with a
drinking problem, you know. And that was that, And yeah,
it wrecked up on this rock that goes into the
Columbia River on a clear day, and I guess everybody.
And they sold it. They salvaged it. One company salvaged

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it for one thousand dollars. And then when they saw
how much they would have to go into because it
was like a lot of waves coming in at that spot,
they turned around. They sold it for like five hundred
because so everything was on there. It's basically how they
salvage is the same thing, the same way that they
got the guys off of there. They go over there
on a line and they just would take everything that
wasn't that they could that wasn't too heavy. And still

(16:46):
the wreck is there. I mean it's mostly gone, but
same thing. You know, it still had that steel hole, right.
And but yeah, as far as that that, that's not
unheard of where they would wreck ships on purpose or
by accident. I mean because it's like, hey, we're we
need to recover our money.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Well, I mean, no one's going to take a loss.
I mean that's business, of course, you know, and then
that's that's what insurance companies are for. But I mean,
if you think about it, that they'd probably since there's
been insurance company has been insurance company scams.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Oh yes, I mean, but no, they must have known
some some moors or shakers because the insurance company. But
at the end, they paid, they paid, and all these
the captain and the things they got to slap on
the risk we're going to suspend your like captain's license
or something for like six months and the other ones,
They don't do that. His second, his second make that

(17:38):
more trouble than he did. And that was it.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
And everybody, well, like I said, you know when when
you get these maritime conspiracies, and I love them too,
I'm with you. I love them because it's international law.
You start dealing with stuff, you're you're eighteen when I
was out this is the wild West out there. Yes,
but my my question is, like, going back to the Titanic,
did anyone ever get paid off? Did White Start get
paid off for loss of the Titanic, the Olympia and
the Britannica?

Speaker 2 (18:03):
All right?

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Because I never heard about any of that, And I'm
still I'm still trying to comprehend how an Iceberg sings
a modern vessel like that with you know, with steel
iron exciting. It doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Okay, this is what it's saying. The White Star was
paid insurance for the Titanic. The ship's hull and machinery
were ensured for a million pounds, which is approximately five
million dollars at that time, through Lloyds of London and
other London marine insurance.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
But is that all? Is that enough to cover the
whole kit kaboodle.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
The policy the insurance was for losses exceeding one hundred
and fifty thousand pounds, meaning the insurers would only pay
for damage above that threshold. So in other words, I
had to eat the first hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
Yeah, but that the whole boat had to go at that.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Point the White Star Line, okay said. Despite the massive loss,
Lloyd's paid the White Star Line the little insured amount
of one million pounds within thirty days of the sinking. Okay,
that just doesn't a whole lot of money to me
for back then, though, it says the payout was a
significant factor in the company's ability to recover financially, as

(19:14):
the White Star Line also had an internal insurance fund
that covered the remaining portion of the loss. But of
course a million pounds will go a long way, especially
when you're talking nineteen twelve. A million pounds that would
take you that that's pretty good. So yeah, that that
there was obviously a I don't know, uh, and let

(19:36):
me tell something. I hate to say it, but that
makes that conspiracy about using the about switching it out
with the Olympic more plausible. Obviously, you know that, Yeah,
we'll get money and we'll get rid of the ship
that was already damaged in another accident in that way
that a and or sometimes you know, they would claim

(19:57):
that they would build these ships with all these things
unsecabo and they weren't really built that. Well, I guess
that's what I'm saying. So, yeah, what is it? Just
follow the money, you know, that's same. Yeah, and usually
it'll take you in the direction.

Speaker 4 (20:14):
Of all right, well so today a million pounds in
nineteen twelve is thirty three million, one hundred and forty
thousand dollars and seventy five and seven hundred and twenty
cents or seven dollars and twenty cents. No, that's thirty
three mili.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, which is what I'm saying. Back then, that's.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
All yeah, I mean, that's all o cake today. But
I mean you just think they'd be doing something more.
I don't know, I just I just for me, human
life is uh, you know, you can't put a number
on that. And for all those things I've passed away.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
One thing I never research was because I know nowadays
you know, everybody gets suited over everything. Did any of
the passengers, not the people, but did they ever sue
the people that had money. Did they ever sue.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
For I got it, because back then you'd get a
beaten like you know, they just sent a brute squad
to go get you.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
The reason why I say that is that remember there
was a shortage of of uh of lifeboats out there. Yeah,
they didn't have enough life boats to get people off,
or they were letting people these lifeboats down with just
a couple of people in them instead of filling them up.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Well yeah, but that's the other thing. You know, they
said that class system you know the band was playing,
you know when when they were you know, because they
weren't allowed to say that. I mean, who I'd love
to see how that would work out today everywhere? Yeah,
hitting people the violin get out of my way.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
And I don't know how true it is because I
know sometimes that that you know, the third class passengers,
that they were basically down in the Yeah they were
locked in, and that they were locked in. I believe that.
I totally believe it.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
You're dealing with I mean, you know, even though White
Star was you know based, you know, they built them
in Ireland, You're still dealing with the British business. And
let's they are all about class systems even up to them.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So they didn't care. But that's gotta be I don't
you know, it makes you wonder what you know that
thing about. I'd be like, I'm not gonna take that order.
I'm opening this place up and whatever. The captain's going
down with a ship anyway, who's gonna say any different.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
But again, yeah, that's another saying. I mean, you know,
they said the captain went down, but he really.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
We don't know. Oh, you're right, we don't know.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
He could have been dressed up like a woman, shaving
his beard he makes.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Oh my god, that would be great. That's what they did.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Hate how many people dressed like women.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, well let me tell you something. If they know, man,
I'm gonna get off this thing and just don't like
you know, and it's cold. It was cold out there,
so I've got a good reason to break myself up. Well,
it's you know, it's it's like it.

Speaker 4 (22:49):
Jefferson Davis got caught in seventeen sixty five in Michigan.
He was wearing his wife shawl. He was basically dressed
as a woman. So you go, it's nothing new.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
No, Oh, you're right, I didn't know. Uh, I didn't
know that about Jefferson Davis. Oh yeah, he's a piece
of work. It's like they'll look too close. But you're right,
you know he was an ugly woman still, you know.
But yeah, there's a lot of guys I'm sure that
in a pinch is like, let me see how far
I can get away with this.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
Well, I mean they're still doing it, and you know,
like you know, I ran i rack and you see
these guys you dress up as women and then they're
getting pulled over. You pull them off and you know,
guy's got a beard and say, I.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Know he's like, man, you got a hormone?

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Probably, Yeah, I mean, it's just I don't know. It's
like I don't know. I just the world's crazy. But
it's always been crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
And you know what, people are inventive. Some people is like,
what's the worst that can happen? They get the store?
Maybe not?

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Yeah, you roll the dice, you know, I would dice.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
When you've got no choices, like, let me go with it,
let me go with you.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
You know what, it's better than just giving up, It's
better than just given you.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Need is a couple of inattentive you know, that's it.
People see what they expect to see exactly, and you
might be at an ugly, tall, broad shouldered lady, but
they like you see, they see it's just a but
I mean, you know.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
I always think back to like, uh, oh god, what
movie was that stripes? You ever seen the movie strips
of Bill Murray? Remember when he's going into rush shot.
He doesn't speak any Russian, but he just spiles the
guys and hand him a bottle of vot and gives
him a hug.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
All right, that would probably work better than.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
Universal language universal language. So yeah, I mean, that's absolutely.
I actually I've actually gotten into places, paranormal places that
have been closed off to pretty much everyone, and I've
I've actually, I'm not I'm not ashamed to say, I've
bribed my way in and it's usually with a bottle
of something, battle of single ball usually that's what it is.

(24:47):
And I've had I've had access to entire places for
the whole nights. Just complete payoff, that's what it is.
But I mean, if you don't, you know, if you
don't take care of them, you're not getting.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
In there, of course, you know.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
So I mean it's you know, I know, we don't
steal anything, you know, but let me ask you.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
And I know that with paranormal it works one of
two ways. I know that some places, whether it's a
hotel or even restaurants, sometimes they kind of want you
to do the paranormal investigations that they could say, or
places haunted you know as and and then there's others
that are like which is sometimes I tend to believe

(25:28):
more that they're like they're very wary now of letting
people in.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
There, like most people are weary now. Most people don't
want to be they don't want to be associated. Like
there's a place in Nashville I talk about I'm not
going to give the name, but it's got a paranormal
history since the thirties and it's a compress a very
to this day.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Marlene is a very very active building, very very active.
Can you say, maybe not with the present, But what's
the history of what do you think is?

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Oh, yeah, it was built and was buildup by a
guy named E. W. Grove and was built as a
pleasure palace and it was just basically designed for gambling,
prostitution and drinking and uh uh huh yeah. Durm Drow
Vision right right before that too. But it's where the
wealthy we just go to party. And one of the

(26:20):
stories is, uh, there was a prostitute and she had
two clients, a guy named Grove and a guy named Cely.
And this is all in Joshua P. Warren's book Haunted
Asheville too. I mean, I'm not telling you anything you
don't know, but Grove and Sealy were the only two
clients of this one particular lady of the evening. Now
here's where it gets interesting. Grove is Ceily's father in law.

(26:44):
So I'm sure that makes Christmas real interesting. Hey what'd
you get the hook? At? Ok?

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I don't get the same thing you got.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
But anyway, she got tired of living in Ashville and
she wanted to move back to New York. But she
want to go broke. So what she does is she
tells him it was actually the player was brilliant. Had
it worked, I got to give her up there, she
would have been up there with the masterminds. But what
she did, she told both of them. They got her
pregnant to thirty grand she'd go away now sixty thousand dollars.
In the early twenties, a.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Lot of money except for life for sure.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
And what happened was after her plan went through, she
falls off the fifth story balcony and lands with the
ticket counters. Today and ever since, she's been a haunting
Room five forty five, and we still get reports on
her today. Like I said, Joshua's book Haunted Astro goes
to a lot more detailed than that, But that's that's
something we still deal with to this day, and we
still have.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
So I take it nobody was arrested. Was an investigator?

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Oh no, they still don't even know who. There's allegations
one of the guys did it, one of the wives
did it. They had a thug do it. It's somebody that,
as far as I know, it was never investigated, and
it's and I could be wrong, but that's just from
what I've read.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Wellth you know what I found that whenever you had
one of these ladies of the night, they met their end.
I really didn't get that much investigations.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well yeah, I mean there was another alleged serial killer
in Nashville known as the hat Man. During Prohibition. There
was going around killing nothing but prostitutes and they never
even opened up a file. Again, that's all hearsay rumor
in Asheville folks or meat does. But I totally believe
it because they wouldn't investigate. Why would they Well.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
And I know I'm not gonna say no, but in
a way, it would be like, Okay, if we were
going to open an investigation, there could be there's how
many suspects that could be.

Speaker 4 (28:32):
You know, who's drinking that night?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, who's drinking that night, who's.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Like he's got a momby issue, who's yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Exactly or whatever. And you know what's really funny is
in not so much in these areas which were more populated,
but in these brothels that they set up, like in
mining towns or frontier town where there was a big
difference between the amount of women in town and the men.
Mm hmm. A lot of these guys, let me tell
you something. They would fall in love with these prostitutes

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or become very what's the word I'm looking for, like like, oh, no, man,
when they got these, they would get savage.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Well, they get jealous, you know, and they.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Were like they were one of these and if she
ever wanted to break up with him or he saw
somebody else, it was like killing. Like you know, because
back then men had those razors and that would they
would end up and it was incredible.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Human the human condition has never been particularly kind, especially
to ourselves.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
We just like some people again some or like some
of these women, they would end up dead. It was like, oh,
who killed her?

Speaker 4 (29:41):
But I mean, honestly, I hate saying it, but like
you know, if you look at that TV show Deadwood,
I think Deadwood is probably the most accurate depiction, because
I did.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
I love that show, but that's probably exactly the way
it was going on.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
They even spoke the way.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
They're very elegant, I you know, Yeah, to see.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
These shows that they're even those supposedly will say the
Old West, they speak like if they were in today's
world and dead, would they spoke as people.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Yeah, it's like even in Tombstone. Tombstone, even when you
look at that, their vernacular was very it was it
was towards the way it was, yes, you know, and
they were they are, they were very articulate, they were
very but it was here's what's going to happen, you know,
And the word gentleman was you know, throwing around a lot.
Let's be honest. It wasn't a real genteel time.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Well, you know, in a lot of these places, well
especially a lot of these frontiers down are mining towns.
People don't realize that once a word got out that
let's say gold or anything, or they had some type
of mining, you get people sometimes from not forget the country,
from around the world that would descend.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Well, yeah, I mean look at okay, remember the first
gold rush took place in this country in seventeen ninety nine,
was in uh, North Carolina Asheville area. All right, yeah,
well most people don't. It's not until eighteen four nine
that hits California. Is why you have the San Francisco
forty nine ers. That's where they're all right, But that's
so you got a fifty one fifty year gap between

(31:11):
you know, where the gold's coming from, but most of
it's coming out right here in Appalachia. That's why you
have some man gold and silver mines and gem mines there.
Remember you're dealing with the oldest mountains on the planet.
At one point in time, this whole mountain range was
as tall as Everest, if not taller. So over the millennia,
it's just come down all the minerals and deposits and
everything just been sunk in the ground. So I guarantee,
even if we were to really start going for more

(31:33):
mineral wealth, we probably have more in Appalachia than we
do in the rest of the country.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
It just hasn't been discovered yet.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
Interesting, I mean, when you start looking at it scientifically,
these are facts.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yes, so this is what happened. This is where the.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
America, this is where the first gold came from. Is
where we get rose gold and Tennessee gold and all that.
That's where all that comes from. It's all Appalachia. So
I mean, it's fascinating when you think about it, and
then look at the mineral wealth. You know, you have
steel in Pennsylvania, oil coal, you know in Westernina. So
all these mineral wealth, these these positives. To this day
there's still more mess. We've got more natural resources than

(32:07):
anyone else on the planet.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
From why I've heard, well, in fact, that's why that
area they call it the rust belt.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
And all right, so I mean, you you know, we
haven't even beginn you know, well, when Trumpet is in
office when he was forty five, uh, you know, when
he when we were going off and taking our own
oil and channel and fracking. And I'm not a frank,
I'm not a fan of doing any damage the environment.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
They found more minimal wealth than anywhere else on the planet. Yes,
so it's like, and let me preface this, marmon, I'm
the first person to say we we need fossil fuels
are unnecessary, We need to be used in fusion, cold fusion, nitrogen.
There's absolute reason why we need to be running on
any kind of fossil fuel. It's disgusting. But but that's

(32:52):
just me because I'm a firm believer that we already
have this technology. But look what happened to Look what
happened in the government. So look, go happen everything Our
old value system is everything in wealth, everything is based
on oil.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I think also besides that, let's let even if we
don't look at that, I would think that if you,
let's say, the fusion, if you're going to transfer that,
it would have to be a process of maybe years.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
I think I think right now, if Uncle Donald, that's
why I call it the president Uncle Donald, I think
if Uncle Donald go on TV and said, all right,
here's what we're gonna do. We're going to subsidies. We'rery
thirty one trillion in debt, so it might as well
just add another trillion. But what we're gonna do, what's
one more. What we're gonna do is we're gonna take
everyone's cars and we're gonna switch them over to nitrogen.

(33:38):
So all we have to do is change out the
gas tanks and part of the engine. That's pretty much
from all I understand that have to do. I'm sure
it's a whole lot more than that, but realistically, so
that means my five Super U outback aka Crypted one,
all right, who's got two hundred thousand miles on her said, Okay,
we're brand new again and now we're just gonna run.

(33:59):
You know, I'm gonna run on some water and I'm
just gonna pour a gallon into sanity in there, and
I'm good for five thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
So well, you know who's also gonna put their two
cents worth in? All these car manufacturers? Like, how how
are we going to profit from this? Hey, here's what
I got to that bank. You've been making money enough,
I'm gonna tell you is that's that's those are the
first ones that are gonna be like, yeah, but I don't.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
I can actually see Trump doing that.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
If anyone's got to do youngs to do it, I
can see him doing it. But you know what, and
I know a lot of people because of this thing
with the EV where if you want to do EV,
that's fine, you want.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
To do they're worthless. I'm sorry they blow up, but.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
But exactly, but you know what, what is it? What's
to range on him? Two hundred and two hundred and something.

Speaker 4 (34:41):
I live in the mountains, Marlene. And I know you
live in Florida and you've got some hills around you,
But I live in the mountains.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yes, And if.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
There's a storm, a storm of bruin and uh, you know,
I've got you know, maybe quarter tank of gas or
corn battery leaf flat, I'm gonna take the gas over
the bat because I know I'm gonna be able to
go up a mountain down a mountain.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Let me tell you something. I had family that lived.
I mean, I've been out there driving, but I have
family lived in Knoxville, Tennessee. And even when I've gone
out there, you see people that I see their driveways
are up the hill behind.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Yeah, they go like this, they stink up, looks like
going to drink in the cast.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Could be a nervous wreck. I mean, how do you guys?
You know, but you can tell. I even think you
ps who delivers out here, because like you said, it's
like steady climb and then it comes around and stuff
like that. And I'd be like, but.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
There's no way I'm doing that and wind up battery
powered tests. I'm not doing it right. I'm all, hey, listen,
I think I think battery cars are First of all,
I think they are complete joke because they do more
damage the environment.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Than anything else.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
They don't look at those Okay, you've gotta understand you
still have to plug it in to charge it, and
where's that energy coming from? And look at all all
the damages you're getting the battery stuff together. And on
top of that, they're junk. I'm sorry. I lived in
for for twenty five years. I lived on the coast,
and if I spent fifty grand on it. Tesla and
I drive the Brightington Beach, or I go to leed

(36:02):
O Key and I just driving some salt water, which
is gonna happen, and the thing blows up. I'm gonna
be a little ticked off.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's the problem that I'm gonna be a weed that
ticked off to fix some and it's a joke.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
It doesn't it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
How far you can go on a charge.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Well, if they made the roof solar, and they made
the whole thing like the way it was supposed to
be originally, that'd be one thing. But I'm sorry, I
just don't trust it. And I don't know anyone that does.
And like I said, if you're in the city or something,
that's different. But still I'm out. I'm out now.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'll tell you what. Even now with the cost everybody's
energy cost electricity talking, it's like, hey, let me tell
you some he said, well, you know, I'm not putting
in basle and he's like, yeah, but how much is
how much does it cost you to charge it?

Speaker 4 (36:50):
That's why we're having problems up here where people actually
go into charging stations and they'll leave their car overnight
and charge it and other people won't get to use it.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
What does that problem? Which, well, it's it's rude one
of them two and like it's there's and it's not,
but it's it's it's always some you know. And the
thing is, let's face it, gasoline. You pull into a
gasoline stee, you're done, put in and that's it. Keep
going yep.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
And that's the way it is. And I don't worry
about it dying in the weather. You know, we're getting
we're getting too cold.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
That was the other thing.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Apparently when these things get real cold, they don't start.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I don't know how true that is. I've heard that.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
I actually had a friend of mine had he had
an electric car, and he said, uh, there's like a
week this winter we just had passed and he wouldn't
it wouldn't start. The second warmed up ten degrees, he
was good to go.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
See. That's the thing. And that's the kind of stuff
they never tell you about when you're buying it. By
the way, you're gonna need You're gonna need it. You're
gonna need a warm up suit for your car.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
You gotta keep that plugged into you gotta keep it
at forty degrees no, otherwise it won't start.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
You know. I hate to say it, but a lot
of people, I think, not everybody, but because I know
some people are okay with it, but I think there's
a lot of people that are regretful.

Speaker 4 (37:59):
I'm on hydrogen is the way to go. Hydrogen and
cold fusion. You can't tell me we don't have it.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Let me tell you something. But you said, like you
said it, there's a lot of there's a lot of
movies and shakers behind fossil fuel in the street.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
I don't think that's but I'm telling you, if we
if there was one president that would push for it
and he really got behind it, Like I said, I
think Trump is the guy that would do it.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
It would be a transition. Yeah, but he could do it.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
But you could do it in two years if you're
really if you're all right, look, here's going to do? Uh.
If you've got one car in your family and you
want to get done, you know what I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
I'm gonna I'm gonna puck a hole in that. Ready,
here we go. I'm going to tell you why it
would take longer. They they don't have enough skilled labor
to do the work.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
That's true to actually right, I keep forgetting that. I
still think I'm living in America. I grew up in Marlene.
I'm sorry. There you go.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Yes, I got my American flag up front. Two.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
I just keep forgetting this.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
And every once in a while I run into that
reality every once in a while, like what do you
mean nixt what No?

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yes, Well, after the training and everything was done, how
about that.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, they're lucky if you get somebody the personnel, like, hey,
we'll have somebody out there tomorrow. Well.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Ive always said, if I had my life over again,
the first thing I would have done college.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
Never would have done it. Waste time, waste time for me.
I would have gone to the military for eight sixteen,
twenty years and then we're done. Someone with HVAC. And
that's exactly what I would have done, because college, for me,
you know what I loved. I had a good time.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
I love learning. But you know, all I got out
of college was some I don't know if you can
see what's behind me on the wall there. I got
a couple of couple of pictures on the wall from that,
and a hell of a lot of student loan debt
that they lied to me about when I was taking it.
So you know, my studentoms were locked in at one
percent and the night Uncle Obama comes in and takes over.

(39:54):
The next morning, he went from one to seven percent.
Now I'm liable for that, and how did that happen?
And that happened to every one in the nation. So
I'm out. And then on the top that I'm a teacher,
I'm supposed to be getting these great deals. Never happens
that that that that the people either Uncle Joe, never
gave me a break, nobody, So I won't take care
of the teacher them with that that no one, no

(40:15):
one ever took care of me, nobody. I don't even
know anyone in the education got taken.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
I don't know anyone, my son. That we say handyman
rule the world. No, because believe it or not, that
handyman rule the world. Why they do?

Speaker 4 (40:33):
And you know what they should because we got too arrogant.
Here's what happened the eighties. We were programmed in the eighties.
And I'm saying this because I grew up in the eighties. Right,
Once you're done with high school, you go to college.
It doesn't matter what else happens. You go to college.
When you're done with college, you do anything you want.
When you go out of college, it doesn't matter what degree.
Are you gonna make sixty grand a year to start

(40:53):
that's what we were told. I remember the slides shows,
I remember the movies. I remember that. Okay, Bobby didn't
go to college and he barely graduated high school. Now
he's making two twelve an hour working at McDonald's. Yes,
and that's no completely flipped, you know, because you know
because during the Clinton era, every all these factories got
shut down whatever. They went to China in Mexico, so

(41:16):
there's where all skilled labor went. So you had this
deficits of time. And then you know what he said,
that seventy six thousand business.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Even then, I think a lot of people because of
what you were saying about the college before, people would
let's say, you weren't just you, just one of these
people like, hey, college is not my thing. You know,
I didn't like it.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
My parents made be good.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I didn't want to go. You know, people would apprentice,
they would learn, or they would take a dad's business
or something, and you can make a very good living,
all right. But you were always, like you said, you
were courage like, oh, well you know what you could
do better for yourself, go and you know, get a degree.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Well you know, well I'm not that bright, so you know,
school to me. It was just like it was kind
of torture. So you have these natural kids, like you know,
that could just do anything blah blah blah, and they're
doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Now.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Yeah, I've got friends of mine. I got friends of
mine that went to you know, Phillips Exeter Academy. They
went to private schools, prep schools number one and all
that is number one on that they're not doing anything
better than I am.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well, no, the thing is this that well no, wait,
I take it back. I'll tell you what if I
tell everybody it is my favorite. If you tell somebody
now without a calculator to do long division or long
or multiplication of several numbers with decimals, they wouldn't know
how to do it without a calculator.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
You know what I used to do to my kids
when I was teaching. I used to write curs if
on the board and may I tell them? I was
telling how to tell them.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
It was Latin, that's funny.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
And then I got to complain, mister Mac writs and
Latin on the board.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
I can't read it. Yeah, it's like I don't know
why they've done away with cursive.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
Well, apparently it's coming back because they just but you.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Remember I was doing cursive writing in second grade.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
That's why I was doing it.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Remember we had the three lined paper. We got the
three line paper, and yeah, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
Like to this day, the only my cursive is the
only thing, like most people can read because my hand
ranks terrible.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
And uh, that was that. That was the That was
the MVN you're trying to get out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
the the I mean, we could go down there as
far as we can't even go down the conspiracy that
people have been dumbed down.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Oh you can't tell me people I've been dumbed down.
I don't want to get in the vaccine thing. Just
that's no, that's a whole other show. Yeah, but that's
the whole other show.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
How's this I could tell? And I think the only
people when you're alive X amount of time is when
you can compare and tell, man, this is yah. You know,
there's always been schools that were not known to be
the best. That's always okay, But now across the board,
like the levels of expectations.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
You can't even you can't even fail by missing absences.
Now in North Carolina, they just passed that you cannot
if you miss I'm guessing you can miss every day
your senior year. And they're still in a passion. And
what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
What the heck are we doing talking about? That's what
I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
How are we going to compete with the Chinese on
an intellectual level? They're gonna be you know, this next
generation is gonna be like, dude, well they're they're gonna
be you know, most every other country is going to
be speaking.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
You know, And because this is the thing, everybody's like, well,
and I'm thinking, okay, we're not talking here like super advanced.
Uh hey, I need you to you know, mathematics or something.
But there's a friend of ours, his wife. She used
to be a journalist, but then she said I want
to stay home and started working for community college. And
what she was doing was, you know, you were supposed

(44:36):
to take a test like when you graduate from high school.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Yeah yeah, yeah, your English and math requirements.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
And if you didn't what she was doing, she was
teaching the class to bring them up to like so
that you could start taking your quality courses. I remember
telling me she was Marleen. Sometimes I would do that,
you know that that what did you do in the summer,
you know, when you did in school? She would say,
just to see you get an idea of how good
their writing was or was it? She was like she was,
these kids graduate from high school, she goes, they're spelling there.

(45:06):
You know, they didn't know what a paragraph was nothing,
she says. It was atrocious, you know what.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
And I can say I'll branch off of that. You
and I have spoken many times over the years. I
used to teach college prep or high school graduation courses
in jail, okay, and some of my guys, I mean,
it was I don't know how to explain it. I had,
you know, these guys running for life, double murder, triple murder,

(45:34):
gang leaders. And let me tell you something, I honestly
learned a few things. One never judge a book by
its cover, right. And two if these half of these guys,
honestly because I read the cases, I mean, I'd be nosy.
If half of these guys had an extra five grand,
they wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Be in jail, right.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
And I know you're in when you do law enforcement.
I know it's different when you're looking through the eyes
of the people that put you in jail. But I
know you have seen people that don't belong in jail
or they got caught up in a bed. And and
the reason why I say this is because it's all
education everything. I have been saying this for years. I'll
say this on my dying day. Every issue we have,

(46:13):
whether it be racism, stupidity, laziness, slot at bad shit,
everything can be fixed with education, depending what you'd consider education.
Education to me is making myself and everyone around me
better through knowledge. And that's all you need. You just
need the knowledge to fix things. You need the knowledge
to help fix yourself. If you have that, you're set.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
But when you don't, academics was not your thing. They
were smart enough that they learn how to do certain things,
you know, fix things like you said, or buildings.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
I had kids in my classes that were artists, brilliant,
just lazy, didn't want to do anything. But I've got
like pictures over the years of so much sins. I'm
looking at there on my wall right here, and this kid,
this kid's gonna be avan go if he wants to be.
But it's just it blows me away that you know,
society is going to look and say, oh, well, that's
not real talent, blah blah blah. It's not true.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
You know, it depends, but I guess my point though,
Christian is that there's the basic foundation of education, like
what you get in grade school is what's missing, which
is arithmetic.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
It is just all basic if you had the basics right.
In nineteen seventy, we were the number one nation for
education on planet Earth.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
You know, I'm not talking about that, hey, Like I said, geometry.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Or population, the number one nation for education, and that
was public schools, yes, nineteen and then the any A
moves in and between that time and this we're now twenty.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
Sixth we have the lowest. I mean, I'm saying I'm
a public school teacher. I can I know it. It's
true because I've been there. I sit there and look
at stuff, and you know a lot of people say, oh,
it's cultural, isn't that.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Uh huh, No, No, it's it.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Has nothing to do like okay, because my Latin kids,
my is that my English second agents kids, they would
have a hard time. But when I'd break it down
so down for them at the end of the day,
they would take more time on their work because they
wanted to make sure they understood it and we're doing
the right job. Like my my English, my Spanish kids

(48:16):
are they're from Cuba, Mexico, South America, whatever, my kids,
because they I would take a bunch of them. I
speak keitho spaniol but growing up in Florida, yes, you know,
I'm very patient with you know what I'm saying. So
I'd have a lot and those kids within a year
would be writing Apa style. Their cursive was it looked
like a computer would print it out. And it was

(48:38):
most of them. I got to say it. And I'm
not trying to sound like I'm not shown this, but
it was my girls. The girls would kill it. Yeah,
and because they wanted to work harder, they wanted to
get that knowledge, because they didn't want to live the
way their parents lived. But see, that's the thing is
you also have to have the teachers that are willing
to put the time in. I was, well, I went
and took Spanish classes. But you know what it all

(49:00):
for two years.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
If the family things that education support exactly.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
But see that's the thing, and that's and you know
that better than if you come home.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
I tell you something. You know, education has always been
like you better not get a bad grade. I'm not
going to tell you, you know, if you get a straight days,
But what I'm saying is that that that you looked
at like they expectations for you to do well in
school and you better pay attention and all these things
if you get that feedback since you're a kid. But
unfortunately nowadays.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
And you know, I, I, uh, I'm Catholic, and uh
you know I I'm I'm practicing Catholic and I tell
people to keep practice until I get it right. But
I see the kids in Catholic school and their academics,
It's like, I feel sorry for my public school kids.
It's like, you can't you can't compete with these kids.

(49:54):
They're gonna touch you. And it all boils down to,
you know, money, And it didn't used to be like that.
It didn't used to be like that.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
I used to I went through twelve years of Catholic school,
all the way till senior.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
Well, so you know what I'm talking about. So you
had an advantage over Tell me you didn't have an
advantage over all your friends who went to Bubble.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
I remember because to me, it was like, there's nothing
worse for a teenage girl than having to wear a uniform.
When you're a kid, you don't care. But I had
some friends from the neighborhood that went to the public
the local public school, and I'd be like, my mom, please,
and the public schools literally like three blocks from where
I lived, at three blocks or less. I was like, please,
it would it because I didn't want to wear that uniform.
She was like nope, nope, no you're not. And I remember,

(50:37):
you know, we would have different days off because the
public school system has a different calendar. Once in a while,
I would go over there and I would go to
the office. I was say, look, I'm thinking of maybe
coming next year. Could could give me a pass to
spend the day with you know, to the class give
me I'm not kidding you. I'd be like, walk not
because I'm not smart, Because I'm not. I would walk

(50:57):
into like I go to hook up with a couple
of my friends, and I would go of their classes
with them and just.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
And it was like you did that, you did that
stuff three years ago.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah, it was like I remember one time I walked
into a classroom and it was stacked with dictionaries. The
teacher had all these words written on the blackboard, and
he says, I want you to take the dictionary and
I want you to write out the definition for each
of those words. He sat at his desk, didn't say
another word during the entire class, and then left. And

(51:31):
you know, not because anything, but I was looking at it.
I was going, dude, I don't need a dictionary definition
of that, and that and that and that is this.
But I'm saying there was no teaching.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Involved, you know, no, But I mean that's you know
that even then, that's just a lazy teacher.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
When I went to high school in Florida, I went
you know, I was in middle school when I moved
to Florida and I went from Maine. Okay, and they
were at least I'm not trying to sound arrogant because
I'm like I said, I'm not that bright, but they
were at least three years behind where I was. I
mean when I was in math. I'm thinking back that
I remember sitting in math class a women we already
did this, and I remember and then what happened to

(52:07):
me is I got so bored. They thought it was
really stupid. It was like, okay, we'll give me something
wrong with them. I'm just sitting there like this is
I've already done this. I don't want to do it anymore,
you know. And I was as a kid, I was
a jackass. I mean, I'm gonna lie. I was stubborn,
but because I didn't want to do it again, you
know what I mean. It was like I already did this.
Show me something I don't know. And then because that

(52:27):
defiance became like, uh, you know the root of my
personality with the teachers, because I don't need you at
this point because you're already done it. And then it
wasn't arrogance. I was bored. I was yeah, yeah, well
I think one of the reasons when I became a teacher.
My fance, Christina, her parents were both teachers, but her

(52:47):
mom was my dean when we were in middle school,
and I used to get in trouble a lot. But
when I was when we were I met my girlfriend.
I remember my fan say, we were in high school
and you know, we got back there. We've known each
other three six years, so we used to date when
we were kids. But I remember the first time I
went to her mom's house, in her dad's house. I

(53:09):
didn't know that that was her mom.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Oh, my god, so.

Speaker 4 (53:14):
I I knocked on the door. I'm all smiling, and
I swear to it was one of those moments, so
if I had a lightsaber. But they were so good
to me, and they were even over the years, you know,
when I saw them there just economy. I remember thinking,
you know, that's the way a teacher should be. And
I remember thinking, if my you know, if if my
in laws were like this the whole time, maybe I

(53:35):
can do it. You know, I can fake it time,
make it. And then that's kind of what I based
my whole premise on teaching with. And then you know,
I was lucky to do STEM education and then things
like that. I'm actually not working as a teacher this year.
I took a semester off and uh, it's just when
I thought i'd have an easy time getting back in,

(53:56):
it's just it's not working. There's just no no, no
openings right now. So I was I was just I'm
just doing the haunted stuff. But I'm happy. I'm not complaining.
I'm fine. I mean, it's not the issue. I do
miss it. I don't miss distress.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Right right, I know. I know there's so there's rewards
and there's down down, and I mean, we could get
into this thing about teaching and how much that's changed.
But let me ask you. You said this thing about
the haunted tours. Let me tell you something that. Have
you come across any place that is unknown that you know?
But you know how a certain place has got a

(54:29):
reputation there.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
I will tell you this place right now, and I'm
gonna I'm gonna tell you this right now. Christina and
I worked on this place well American crypt and paranormal.
I'm crypto Christina's own cryptogirl cryptoguide dot com. This place,
when I say, Marrien, you've known me for a long time,
this place kind of freaked me out.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
We had.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Bigfoot tracks and dog man tracks within twenty feet of
each other, paranormal activity, radiation, My Geiger Canton is going
off with three rads in certain places. This place and
those whole families live in there, and the way the
property is built up like there's three different houses, but
everyone's seeing different stuff. I got the older brother seeing

(55:14):
his dead grandmother in the garage. This poor lady is
basically getting hounded by a dog man in her front yard.
And when we went there, there's tracks almost ten inches wide,
but he looks just like a cane and just the
claws and everything. We went around the back corner to
where the streamings, and all of a sudden, there's in

(55:36):
eighteen by nine footprint, bare footprint with a mid tarsal
break and it's got a six foot stride and it's
just all right. There is that like out there in
the middle of the now is on the Tennessee border
with US, and it is out there. I mean, it
is totally out there. But then she starts telling me.
She goes, well, there are really things that scare mere
is when the UFOs come down, because that's when it's

(55:59):
really area because what will happen is we'll lose power,
and uh, it'll just be that you don't know what's
going to happen.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
I feel like, of a better word, it almost sells
like a skin is radiation.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
That's what threw me, Marlene, because I know, you know,
I go out with a radiation a meter after that
one incident I had with the UFO thing, and it's
plugging three rad solid over this one area you.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Wigged out when you picked up that reading, Well, is
that what.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
You wig That wasn't the word I was like, are
you freaking kidding me? I mean, this was like what
that It's in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it
was out there. I don't know, it was it was
crazy because it was just but it was completely I know,
and that was recent and we're still doing research on
that place. The problem is is there's so much going

(56:52):
on you don't know where to start.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
What's the history. Do you know the history of the
land or anything?

Speaker 4 (56:58):
A Cherokee nation Allegedly there was during the during the
Civil War, there were some murders of some African Americans there.
Revolutionary War allegedly there was a whole British battalion killed
up in there. But the thing is, it's hard to
find in a history because the town's changed its name

(57:19):
three times, you know what.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
A lot of times things like this goal go on
and it's not really documented.

Speaker 4 (57:25):
You know, well it's not because honestly, the town has
legally changed its name three times in the last forty years,
so I don't even know what it was, you know,
one hundred and fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
You have to do some very deepail. And again I
tell people, you know, sometimes, especially when you get these
hauntings or these things, even it's supposedly let's say a
modern subdivision. And then you know, you you do investigation,
you look at the land or what the history of
the land is. I go, you know what, that's what's recorded.
A lot of times stuff happens. Yeah, communities that do burials,

(57:56):
that's that. That wasn't an official town. It was maybe
like a settlement of people and not everything. Or you know,
you know, you know how you hear about serial killers
using certain areas as sites for their bodies. That could
have happened one hundred, two hundred years ago, and there
was nobody there to take a note and say, you
know this, this psychopath is dumping bodies off at this location.

(58:18):
And then fast forward one hundred and fifty two hundred years,
all of a sudden, you get eventually something gets put
on the land and you get a lot of weird
stuff and the origins forget it.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
You're never gonna find it, no, and you won't because
they don't want you to. I mean, someone knows, but
they're not gonna tell.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Or you know, sometimes I've heard of, like I say,
when sometimes people do excavations, I say, to put in
a pool or something that they'll then they might dig
up something like unusually the bones or even a confident
or something that they'll say, okay, what was out here?
But outside of that people you.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Mentioned that I know developers here and I'm not gonna
give names, and let's just say this is a hypothetical.
But I was away on a developer once and I said, allegedly, say,
you're out there digging a foundation for a family, and
we have sellers here in North Carolina. Okay, and you
start running into body parts and things like that. She goes, well,
that's why we always tell the owner to have an

(59:14):
extra five thousand dollars because that's what's gonna cost. Because
if if you run into what if you run in
the if they run in the bone fragments or bones
or blah blah blah. But they say, well, for an
extra five grand, this goes away.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
And if it does, that was like, okay now, and yes,
and I know I've heard of that.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
And then what happens if they don't, then they call
the state and then you lose it anyway, So it's right,
it's uh, it's it's tricky.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Yes, yes, people don't realize that even if let's say
it's okay. This is not a recent murder. This is
not like hey, some guy years ago.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
It doesn't matter. Still human remain.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Once it becomes like a history, not a storgle. But
they're doing something of digging. And if they determine that
as it's like, my god, it's over.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
It's it's no longer your property. You lose it right
good and you eat it. You don't get paid for
you eat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Remember like this was since you went in Florida. This
must have been oh god, maybe thirty years ago that
in Miami the pyramids.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Yeah, they found the pyramids.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
No, no, there's you know, there's a Miami River and
it comes in with the Atlantic off the and as
a matter of fact, it comes in right through the
downtown of Miami and this uh, prime real estate right
on the water. This developers about to hey, clear the
landing's putting about to put a hotel excavating. Was it that?
It was the circle?

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
It was some type of it was it was the
plane they found the It would have been a pyramid,
but they found out a circle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
But it was like right there, like right on the
banks of the Miami River. That was it. It was.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
It was about thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Yeah, and it's that construction. They never it was like,
that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
But that guy lost every he lost it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Yes it is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
No one wrote here thanks for trumble.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
That didn't happen. He lost.

Speaker 4 (01:00:58):
Yes, that's why people don't talk about it. That's why
the UTOP presented it. You, we probably would have so
many more artifacts from the country if if the government
say listen, if you're running this, let us know, and
if this trouble happens, we'll buy you out. That's you know,
fair is fair.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
But they don't do that, okay, right, And this is
the thing. This was by the Tequesta Indians discovered in
nineteen ninety eight, and I remember going by there that
at one point they had even put up like a
perimeter fence. I'm not telling you. It's like right on
the water. You know.

Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
I was there because that's when they put the stones
had holes in them for logs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
He put the logs and they made huge pyramids. And
they were saying that this obviously that that that that's
what they would do. They would put it right next
to the water. Yeah, that was this made sense.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
But yeah, I remember nothing yea, because there were flood
groups too, because remember they were up so high at
the bottomless.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
They let me tell you something, they never never built
anything on it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
It never will it never will.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
But say, yes, I know I've heard of that. A
lot of people will like, Nah, you didn't find any thin,
because God forbid this could I'll lose, you know, it'll
stand still.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Well, it's like when you I've got a I got
a couple of places I go and uh, I'll find
arrowheads all over the place, and I just leave them there.
I'm not taking because I'm not I'm not dealing that hassle.
I've seen people get arrested for that stuff, and it's like,
how can you get rested for picking up a rock?

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Well, it's a National Star car effect for who, right exactly.
Sometimes people don't really even realize what they got in
their hand.

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Well, I've got you know, I like when I told
you when you treasure hunting a lot and when when
you are treasure hunting, we use We've got to stand.
We've got one of the best metal detectors you can find.
You use, it's underwater, it's on ground. Uh, and there's
parts of a National Park systems reviving. If I've got
it in the car and a park ranger sees it,
they'll seize it and then find me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
You know what, Now, let's let's go. I know where
the paranormal bent. But I'm gonna I'm gonna segue off
of that because as a matter of fact, there they
were talking about that. You know, supposedly people can't go
on your property or anything without a warrant. You know,
that's trust Well they were talking about and I was
unaware of this that I guess the equivalent of either

(01:03:15):
like a park ranger or official wildlife. I'm not sure
exactly what I think.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Those guys are federal, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
A federal it's federal level. Yeah, they have something that's
called like open land that they basically can go on
your land. And you see this, they say more often
when you have people have eight breach okay, and they've
captured them people, you know how, put the wildlife camps
out in their property and all of a sudden they've
captured this ranger guy will get around their property that

(01:03:43):
we're doing out here.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
I've actually had that happen. There was an issue about
three four years ago. It happened around Black Mountain and
this gentleman on a good, good chunk of land. Uh huh.
And it had some big foot activity.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Ok.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
And uh we we put out, uh I I gave
him to I just gave him to my older trail
cams just came and then he went out and bought
like five or six more.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Right right, he had.

Speaker 4 (01:04:14):
We had one area where we had one way up
in a tree. It was up there like we had
to climb a tree put it up there, and you
weren't you honestly weren't going to see it. But just
the way the branches, it was a perfect line of
sight because we actually had to take a rock and
stick it behind the camera to get like the angle.
And it was actually it was just one of those things.
It was just it was sublime. It was perfect, you
know what I mean. It was just we got this

(01:04:34):
great area to shoot and that's the only one that
was never found. But we actually had a picture of
a ranger what we think was a ranger because you
really couldn'tee his face, but we saw like the cutting
he was cutting down the other ones and throwing him
in a bag.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yeah, what was oh my god, what was it? Same
thing they saw him saw him like in other words,
move it. He didn't. In other words, I guess it
was a trailer or something. So he came and he
moved that camera so that it would like shoot, but
he didn't realize. But they had another camera, like you said,
that captured him coming in there and doing you know,
moving it like he just shifted around so that it

(01:05:14):
wouldn't well.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
And then well, the gentleman who owned all the property
had that picture and he took it to the local
police and they confiscated all his equipment and took it.
Now why see so why and that that's that's still
always been a big question. But that's the kind of
stuff that happens all the time. Yeah, the fens are

(01:05:37):
gonna do whatever they want. They have full knowledge of
all this stuff. They know exactly what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
But there was there's a there's something that they said
we're talking about that. I was like, it's some it's
something called open land or something like that, which basically
says that these federal officers that were like I'm gonna
say park rangers, but I'm not sure that's their exact title.
That basically they could.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Do that that they could wander, wouldn't it wouldn't it
be fishing game because that's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Federal For example, here Florida official Wildlife is it's a
state it's a state level agency. But but bottom line,
I wasn't aware of that.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
Again, nothing, nothing surprised me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
They could just like wander into your property areach, like
I said, mostly and there's nothing to stop them, none
of that, Like, hey, this is private property, that doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I got a story about I got one for you,
and it takes place at Mayaca right off from Baca
State Park.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yes, a woman was renting a trailer out there, and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
I know exactly where this is. It's actually in Sarasota, Okay.
And a woman was running property out there and something
to be thumping the side of the trailer and messing
with her and keeping her kids up. And she came
home late one night and she saw this thing and
she had a thirty eight so I could see what
weapons from it, and she put six rounds of thirty
eight in this thing's head.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:06:54):
Well, then all of a sudden it becomes, oh my god,
I killed a monster.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
What is this thing?

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
This all heats up, The police show up, fish and
game show up, and they end up arresting her for
discharging a firearm in city property, and they basically cut
the whole city off, get this thing, get out of
the way, and put this woman in jeff for like
forty eight hours. And one of her things was, wait

(01:07:20):
a minute, I'm renting that property. Technically, that's my house,
that's where I lived. I was offending me and my kids.
You know, I have rights and they you have no,
absolutely no rights. We'll tell you what your rights are.
And you know, thankfully they ended up dropping them, but
that was after they got everything out of there. They
were in there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
They they took the dirt where this thing fell out
of the See what did she think?

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
She said it was a big foot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
She said it was.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
It was a big foot. She goes eight foot tall bigfoot.
She said it was coming for me. I thought I
was gonna die. And she was a real good shot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
She says.

Speaker 4 (01:07:50):
She got all sticks rounds in the head it dropped.
She was hearing her kids screaming in the background because
the kids were watching this thing go for mom like, mommy,
watch you out, mommy. I mean, it was a whole
big deal, and I know that happened. I actually heard it.
I heard about it, and then I heard about it,
like I heard another guy cover it that I knew
where that location was because I was down there at
that point in time. I was, I was there, and

(01:08:14):
this was about This was about six weeks after they
had that sighting. Remember they had that big sighting in
my Aca where the guy had the telephoto LENSI was
taking pictures and it was moving. It was this big
and they figured it was eight and a half nine
foot tall and it was bipedal covered them there. Well,
that was all in Sarasota really and that that was
like right after that happened, and then there was some

(01:08:35):
other stuff that happened. Then they had a dog man
incident in the same park and the guy that reported
that they fired. No, I'm not serious, man, All this
this is all happened. It was a hotspot out there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
And you know what that's all right? No, you know
who that is. That's my cat back there. But anyway,
you don't want I was looking this up now that
you said that back in seventy seven. Okay, there's just
I don't know if you've heard of this town called
gibson In or GiB Town that's just south of Tampa

(01:09:09):
and it yeah, back in seventy seven, they found seventeen
inch footprints out there, all right about five feet apart
if I'm broken branches, a bunch of stuff, and they
were saying that for like a week, they would have
like the dogs in the neighborhood wig out, and one
lady that the property, she says that I can't remember

(01:09:31):
what kind of dogs she had. That the dogs she
is normally a dog would just run off and go
after anything that was out there. Refused to like like
when it hit under their house. And that wasn't you know?

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
That was well the original when the original picture of
the Sarasota skncave came out, people don't realize I was.
I took pictures. I was there two days after that
picture was released in Sarasota. That was in the Sarasota
Sriff's department.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
And first of all, that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Woman was completely.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
Uh just made out. She was not treated right.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
But why that that particular thing was happening.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
They were eating She had a.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Pink grapefruit tree there, okay, And she said she's watching
this thing putt an entire grapefruit in its mouth every
time it grabs one, and just eating grapefruit. And that
picture you see that bush is about nine and a
half ten feet tall, Okay, and you know what I'm
talking about. When you see the stairs, it looks like,
you know, almost an orangutank. She goes, that's that thing
had to have an eight and a half foot tall
But that's there was other witnesses that called the police.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
And said, hey, there's some big monkey in there.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
That had been going on for a while, and then
the sheriffs finally showed up when she took that polaroid.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Well, they had that that story. They had the same
thing where the neighbors kept hearing like things like weird noises.
You know, after a while, people, you know, especially if
you live in a residential area or something, you get
to know what noises you know, dogs in the area.
You know, when you hear something like that, where did
they come from? And even the neighbors And then like
after to three weeks whatever, it was just faded off,

(01:11:03):
maybe kept going. But yeah, sometimes and I don't have
a theory on that. I think sometimes like any animal,
if it gets old or sick or so for some reason,
it cannot hunt them way it normally would. Then they
go into more populated areas well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Yeah, they're proud. You mean you know that there was
a huge thing like that and uh in western uh
uh Washington State about eight years ago, they had an
alpha Bigfoot that had been deposed and thrown out of
the tribe and he was going around basically grabbing mountain
bikers and eating them. You know, I mean this story, yeah,
it's about ten eleven years ago. If if you listen

(01:11:39):
to Sashquatch Chronicles, they actually did a pretty good job
covering it. And I don't usually uh, you know, listening
to uh hearsday like that. But the guy I spoke to,
his story was almost word for word. And he had
called me two or three years ago. He called me
two three years after this all happened, right, But uh,

(01:11:59):
I never did a podcast or anything on it because
I didn't have enough information. I was like, but when
I do something, I want to have pictures and stuff.
I want to go there. I want to know the area,
you know what I mean. And uh, he was telling
me how this thing was killing dogs. It was like
it had gone like mentally insane, Like at some point
it was just coming out in the middle of the
street at midnight screaming and yelling, throwing some of the houses.

(01:12:21):
Uh it was it was throwing cars like it was
smashing the car stuff like that. But it had it
had grabbed all the dogs, eating all the dogs, eating
all the cats. And at that point it was like
going for people, like people were disappearing. And uh where
it was was so close to like, uh, where pot
was being grown in the woods. People just thought it
was because people were disappearing, but they didn't think anything

(01:12:42):
of it because they just started the pot growers are
disappearing migratory. So and then you know there's stories like
that all the time all over the place. And this
was even even up here. You know, we had a
dog man issue. Uh And and the dog man was
basasically bothering this kid and the this is this is

(01:13:02):
on the board of Tennessee not too far four I am.
And this dogman was tapping on the kid's window all
the time. It was just tapping, tap and tapping. And
then one night he saw the whole like the kid
woke up and he saw it and he told his
mom there was a big dog trying to get him
go outside, and she said, well, don't, don't go outside,
and then one night, Mom's walking past the sun's room.

(01:13:23):
She's to tap on the window and she looks in
real quicker and then Shoe sees it and she had
a meltdown. And after that the dogs started like visiously
attacking the house. There were some issues that went on,
but you know, they're still like that. That happens all
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
And people just you know, they don't know her to
talk to. And that's why I always say, feel free.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
You can get touch with.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Me at cryptoguide dot com or one eight hundred three
two nine four eight five one. That's my number. It's
ainate her number. Feel free to call that a time
with any story you got. I hope you don't mind
me pitching myself, only put it and uh, cryptogid dot
com is the best way. That's and that's the stuff
we And as I was talking to here earlier, I

(01:14:03):
want to give a shout out to one of my
older best friends. I've known this guy forever. He's actually
done paranormal investigations with me, and his name's Patrick Author
and he wrote a book it's called Sarasota Blood and
we were talking about historic narratives and things like that.
What he's done is he's taken all these historic narratives
about Sarasota, Florida in the nineties and he's incorporated all

(01:14:25):
the vampire culture in folklore.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
That was going on we had.

Speaker 4 (01:14:28):
Now I was there when that was going on. I'm
going to telling you right now, we had the goth
movement hit Sarasota hard. But Patrick Is, he's just he's
one of these guys. Is I've known, He's been one
of my best friends for years. He's one of these guys.
If he's not saying a whole lot, he's just paying
attention a whole lot, you know what I mean. So
these guys doesn't say a who lot because he's smartest
guy in the room. And then after he lightens up
a little bit, you know, he's he's hilarious. He has

(01:14:50):
probably saved my life three or four times because of
my big mouth. I'm thinking about sometimes in Vegas. But
he has turned out to be an excellent author, and
like I said, his books called Sarasota Blood, and when
he publishes it, of course I'm going to do the
best I can. But one of the reasons why I
wanted to discuss this with you is because you know,
you're basically the godmother Florida Marlene. I gotta I gotta

(01:15:13):
make sure, I gotta get for me. So from the godmother,
you know what.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I wanted to stop because you know, when you talk
about the golf and the vampire, you always say New
Orleans or something like that. Sarasota never Sarah Soda was.

Speaker 4 (01:15:26):
I remember that they we usually go to Ebore and
Sarasota on Friday and Saturday night and it would be
like crazy, just crazy stuff. But it was that whole
goth thing, and uh, I remember.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
But Pat, you know, you always think of all that stuff,
that dark, and you know, you know, because there's people
out there that's not just a golf thing. It's the
vampire lifestyle.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
But when you when you read this, like I said,
I was just reading, I've been reading this book. It's
like I keep reading it because like it's like all
these places we used to go. It's kind of like
it's it's kind of like a history of us as friends.
But he's done such a good job. It's like I
think it's going to be a TV show or movie
or comic book. I mean, it's I'm telling you this
is going to be great, and I really when he publishes,

(01:16:07):
I want you to interview him because you'll love him. Sure,
But I was telling him about that today. But this
this is, uh, it's just every once in a while
you read something that just it hits all the points,
like it's a great story and you don't want to
stop reading it. And I hope you don't mind me
plugging that, but it's gonna be awesome because I really
want to you as part of that, because I was
talking to him earlier today and I'm like, you know,

(01:16:29):
and he's he's past brilliant. He's got a brother shame.
They're two of the smartest guys you'll ever meet. They're brilliant,
and the two of the kindest people you're they're just
awesome people. They're just and these guys have been my
best friends for almost thirty years, and uh, you know,
I love him to death. But they're brilliant. And the
way he's done this is just like he's he's just

(01:16:50):
got this ability to write and it's like almost this artistry,
like it just paints a picture for you, but it
also makes you laugh at the same time. When you're
doing it. It's just hard to explain. And a very
few writers that I've run into in this age. You know,
I have people asking me to read stuff all the
time because they want me to help promote it or
something like that, and I usually say no. This was

(01:17:12):
a very I started reading chapter one on this I
couldn't put it down. I kept, I kept, and I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
To take me off.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Was he sent to me on a digital file? So
I have to read it on my computer? And I'm
old scout like a book. I mean, no, I do,
and I can't put this thing down. But he's done
such a good job with the research and the narrative.
It's just it's gonna be I'm telling you right now,
it's gonna be an awesome book. It's called service.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I probably want to ask him because since he sounds
like he got really immersed in his research. Yeah, okay,
if he came across any of these cases or stories, Well.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
Here's where it gets interesting. Some of the stuff he
talks about in his book are cases that I did fifteen,
twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Okay, well, then I'm going to ask you. Yeah, and
any of these things hot, I'm not going to use
the word satanic, but I'm going to use dark ritual.

Speaker 4 (01:18:07):
Over I will I will say this, there was there
was a I don't talk about this much because and
one time I brought this up on when I was
doing a friend investigations, but I used to I used
to be a bouncer in a bar in Sarasota, Okay.
And it was a it was it was the hot club.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
It was not it was the place to be right.

Speaker 4 (01:18:28):
And we had a young lady going there. And when
I say she wrecked the place, Marlene, she picked up
she couldn't have been more than five foot ninety pounds, beautiful,
beautiful girl, jet black hair, ice blew up, beautiful, just beautiful, stunning,
could have been a mounth just stunning. She picked up
my three hundred and twenty five pounds boxer boxer bouncer

(01:18:51):
and threw him across the room and destroyed ten thousand
dollars worth the window. She threw another bouncer across the bar,
and then she bit a guy in the face. We
actually had to take him to Sarasota Memorial because it
wouldn't stop bleeding. And he had two he had two
perfect puncture marks right here, and when the doctor saw it,
he asked them on kind of animal.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Bit them because it wouldn't stop bleeding.

Speaker 4 (01:19:12):
There was like a thing there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Actually, yes, it was like with well whatever it was.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
And you know, he was an easy to eighty. I mean,
these guys are massive. And I looked at her right
in the eyes, said, I'm telling you right now. Her
eyes were red. When I stared at her, I said, hey,
we have no idea to this day, I said, I
have no idea. No, no, to this day, we have
no idea. And then we went back to look for her.

(01:19:39):
On the cameras couldn't find her. All you could see
was people. We saw her thrown people, We saw the
people get moved, but you couldn't see her. So I
think what he's done is he's taking probably a little
that I could be wrong because that he did know.
I mean, he was right there because I called him
after that because I was freaking We stayed there. I'll
tell you this right now. We stayed there till six
a m. Because we were terrified to leave that that

(01:20:02):
that was that freaked us all out. Uh, that happens,
you know, and you know, I know people, I still
I'm still communication with people. When that happened. I mean,
I'm one guy that I still talk to is still
their friend of mine and uh he he kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
I think he's going to.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Revisit that I haven't gotten all the way in the
book to it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Did you guys ever know her name? No, but I'll
tell you what.

Speaker 4 (01:20:22):
Uh. She pointed at me and said, I'll see you
again soon. And when I say, I had a Charman moment. Uh,
I had a moment because I was I'm not gonna
Marian Marline. I was, I'm not gonna lie. I was
freaking terrified.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I'm watching this. She picked up this guy that used
to be a.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
Pro wrestler, okay, and through when I say through him
and he goes flying, she takes another guy throws him
into all these windows.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
A bounce to the next.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Well, no, that that whole dance for is packed, okay,
And I think the whole thing started because she had
a drink on the floor, and back then you couldn't
have glass on the floor. So all of the guys
very politely said to her, you know, you can't drink
the floor, and she told him the f off or
something like that. She had a very, she had like
a very like she had a very strong accent. It
almost sounds checked as a vocket, but she had this

(01:21:15):
very strong accent. So after all this happens, we actually
had to shut the place down. The cops come and
they sung this one specific detective in here and apparently
he's the guy that handles all the weird stuff in Sarasota. Okay,
And this is the third report on this broad this
young woman, excuse me, this is the third part of
this lady uh in two days.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
To other places.

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
She had been the other place to doing the same thing.
And the guy comes up to me. I'll never forget.
I don't remember his I didn't eve think he gave
me his real name.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
He just called me.

Speaker 4 (01:21:44):
I'm just because I asked his name. He just called me, lieutenant.
And he said to me point blank, He goes, did
you witness this? I said, I'm not gonna lie to you, man.
I said, I can't explain what I just saw. I said,
I told a point blake. I said, I do paranormal investigations,
I do crypt investigations. I've never seen anything like this.
And he goes, all right, all right, He goes, do

(01:22:06):
we have video cameras? And I'm saying, yeah, they're in
the office, and they went back.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
I was in the room.

Speaker 4 (01:22:10):
I was in the office when the manager went back
to play everything back, and you couldn't she was on video. Wow,
you could tell where she was moving because people were flying.
You could see where she walked in because she bumped,
she pulled. This other girl stepped in front. She puts
her eight of the way and she went like six
feet skidd it into the floor, on the floor, and uh,
it was but that we didn't We didn't leave until

(01:22:36):
six am. And when we left, I remember, I'll never
forget I had my little four Bronco too, Remember the
old Bronco twos. Yes, I love that guy. I wish
I still had that thing I had. I was backed
in when we were leaving, they were doing they were
putting saw it in and you know how they put
the stakes in with the orange. I pulled one of
those things up I was walking with. I left that

(01:22:58):
thing in my car every night for like three months.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
Must have tried to girl. Eyes in the back of
your head just showed up again. We want First of all,
half the people quit, okay, and then oh my god,
they're like, forget it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:14):
We had we had I worked out a deal with
the manager of the place. I'm like, I'm not doing
the sober There's no freaking I'm not doing Uh. I said,
you're gonna have to make you gonna have to make
some reparations here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
You know what the thing is that you know, when
you were talking about the golf and the vampire, I said,
you know what, some of the golfs was just kids
wearing eyeliner and whatever, just dress in black. I get it,
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:36):
Yeah, but remember that Satanic worship.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
But there was there was there was part of them
that that there was a darker.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
Well remember that girl in Seriesota her dad was her
She got arrested by the FBI because she decapitated her
own father. Yes, your satanic worship, that was right around
that time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
There was a lot a lot of them.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
Yeah, that stuff was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
They what they end up doing is like horrible. The
same thing up in uh was it Virginia or West Virginia.
Same thing. This guy he he ended up incapulating his mother.
That was I think that was Virginia.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
I think I know Virginia.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
When they got there, she was standing in the front
yard with her head. Didn't tell his sisters think he
had He did have a history of mental problems on
and off.

Speaker 4 (01:24:24):
But see, I'm I'm convinced people like that possessed Marlene.
I'm convinced.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
But the doctor, you know how they always they right away,
they give him psyche, balance, all this other stuff, you know,
they were he was saying he was he would be
barking like a dog. And then they spoke I guess
to the final I guess the doctor he had been
treating her or and he goes, look, you know, like saying, yeah,
he's got this type of problems. He does, but I would,

(01:24:51):
I would What was it that he said? I would
hate to be around him if he wasn't in here,
like saying, don't ever let this guy out. In other words,
he didn't put him in prison for the because of insanity,
but the doctor basically said that don't ever. I would
never be I want to be around him if he
wasn't inside the confines of a hospital like around people

(01:25:13):
get like in other words, if you're waiting for somebody
to say this guy is cured, no, you know, so, yeah,
that there's something But besides the possession angle, I'm gonna go,
I'm gonna slide towards a true crime kind of aspect.
A lot of these people that sometimes get involved, they
they might have a flavor of mental illness or behavior disorders,

(01:25:36):
but a lot of that. Sometimes they get caught up
in culture groups that are very underground. Ye all right,
and uh, they do really horrific things to tell you them.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
I don't think people realize that it's still something we
have to deal with our day to day life. I
you know, I do the Haunted tours and I work
a lot. Listen. I've got friends of mine that are
wake in. I got friends of mine the devout earth
type people.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
I mean, I explain.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
But here's the thing. I don't judge anyone, and everyone
knows me. I don't judge them. It's not my place
to judge, right, all right, that's you know what. That's Jesus.
You're gonna judge, don't. He doesn't need my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
I have my faith.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
I'm very secure. That's the only reasonhy I can do
what I do is I just have I'm so strong
in my faith. I mean, and that's the reason. Everyone
that works for me, everyone works in my organization, you
know what, they gotta have faith. If you don't have faith.
I'm sorry, it's not gonna work because you're gonna see
stuff you're not gonna explain. And I don't want you
getting pulled into something exactly. And people don't get that
that's the number one thing. You have to have faith.

(01:26:39):
And if you don't have faith in you know, in
God or Jesus Christ or you know, whatever your belief is,
you know, I want I feel sorry for you too.
You're an open target. But I honestly believe some of
these people they just get so weak that the door's
open and something takes them over. And uh, I think
that happens a lot more than people think. Uh. You know,
I'm inn industry. You know, I do paranormalst up all

(01:27:00):
around the continent United States, you know, crypti and stuff
all around the coin of United States and iron the
people all the time. And the first thing they want
to do is one they want to discredit me because
they don't like the way I tell you know, they
don't like the fact that I just well, here's what
we found. And the other thing is that you know,
they either want to do me physical harm or want
to see me dead. Well now that's because now I'll

(01:27:21):
point blank saying well, now this is demonic, this is
this is that, and they don't want anyone to know it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Well, they have now because remember everything here now technology online,
they have these what they call these groups. As a
matter of fact, came out like maybe a week ago, no,
in July, but this was in Pasco County, Okay. The
arrest is it's thirteen years old, okay, thirteen years old,
and he gets charged with possessing chop pornography and beastiality

(01:27:50):
material at thirteen. Yes, that's not yeah, that's not that
has that's demonic, man, that's okay. So he was and
this is he joined what they call an unlike called
some of them they're called nine Angels, that's what they're called,
all right or seven six four. Now he got into
this when he was twelve twelve, okay, and they're still

(01:28:12):
charging with four felonies. All right. Now, this is a group.
I don't know. You know about discord. You know that
basically it's like a form type of format.

Speaker 4 (01:28:21):
Okay, this is I've heard of it, but I'm not
really you know, I use my computer for communication and research.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
This is not satanic and the ideology and all this
and let me tell you. They these kids, That's what
I'm saying. This someone is even though this was back
in the nineties and the golf sometimes you know, everybody
thinks you know some kid going through a phase where
they're wearing all black. You know some of them, yes,
and some of them are much much darker.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
I mean, well, I'll tell you what I wanted to
ask you a question if you've ever heard a specific thing,
but I want to say it online because it was
something I actually went when I was younger, so long
off air. I'll bring that up. But I'm willing to
bet you when I talk about it, you're gonna be like, oh, yeah,
because that happened when I'm talking about happened in Bradenton,
Florida and probably eighty seven. Okay, but it was satanic

(01:29:11):
in nature, and uh, that didn't go that that just
went back under ground as where it went because they
that's still going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
I want to you don't want to talk about it
or it's.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
Not on the air, because I don't know. I mean,
it's still it's still very active.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Oh so you still think, oh it's active. Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Don't think that one anywhere because you talk about you
talk about like an X Files episode, the way that
one went down. Mmm, creepy, Oh yeah, creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Okay for sure. No, there's all people don't realize that
a lot of these things they've they've learned to go
under ground, or they disguise themselves different ways.

Speaker 4 (01:29:50):
Or they'll call themselves something else, they'll call themselves once.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
But they they have a lot of these they they
basically that they they go in through sometimes to the
online games or all these different the roadblocks. As a
matter of fact, there's a big scandal going on now
with roadblocks really oh yeah, and allowing basically distribution because
let me taste something that is the hallmark of all

(01:30:15):
these satanic Luciferian cults. Child pornography, a bestiality. Uh they
asked there the usually kids unfortunately hurt themselves or you know, uh,
pornography of some type, and a lot of them end
up killing people, you know physically, I mean besides the child.

(01:30:36):
And then they scale towards the trafficking. All right. It's
almost like you get a mixture of the dark spiritual
stuff along with real crime.

Speaker 4 (01:30:46):
Is everybody thinks, oh you got one or the other
is like no, well, I know for a fact we
had a problem in the parts of North Carolina and
we still do with human trafficking. And what was happening is, uh,
these girls about twelve, twelve to fourteen. You walk down
the street and small bumpkin towns, right, and these guys
in vans will pull up asking question and they think

(01:31:06):
nothing of it because you know, they're bumpking, you know,
they're this bampo dunk collic and they get grabbed and
they're gone, and they wake up either in the deserts
of Australia, the Saudi block, uh, and they're on heroin
and they don't know what's going on, and then they're
being sold into sex slaves. So h and that's happening.
How many would a million a million kids disappear year?

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Well this is the example. And this, by the way,
I've read this unreleased FBIK files all right, stuff that
they've actually like rease, Yeah, I love that FBI vault.
I read that all the time. And some of the
stuff where they've done let's say they've ready let's say
like in Texas for example, or something which is real
big where they've done a bus you know, like the houses,

(01:31:50):
you know, almost all of them. They have found some
type of satanic altars. Yep. Okay, yeah, these people they
might be badasses and there they might be, but they've
got this very dark there's a dark spiritual past to
the crimes, is what I'm saying. Well, you have to
be dark to do that to a kid.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
I mean, no, no human being, whether it's whether.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
It's like house, whether it's drug traffic, because you know,
it's all messed up, it's all like.

Speaker 4 (01:32:14):
I mean, I get that, but Marlene, No, no, no
normal human being is gonna wake up one morning and say, hey,
I'm gonna take this kid and I'm gonna sell them.
That takes something else. That's a whole that's a whole
other level evil. I mean, remember, you know, the worst
thing you can do despite Gud's hurt innocense, and that's
what these people do. And to me, I mean, you
don't even want to know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
I'm not. I guess my point is some people think
that if you're doing all this, you don't believe in anything,
you don't care, like you might as well have been
like an atheist. You don't care, and they do. That's
not spirit now, because there's any and part of because
everybody thinks, okay, this is there's the the part about
the money is this is all about money up to

(01:32:56):
a certain point.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
I think, I think you're up to a certain point
it is. But then an element what can I do? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
And like you said, a corruption of innocence that drives
a spiritual prop thing underneath everything else.

Speaker 4 (01:33:10):
Well, it's like you meind about every once in a
while you read about these people whose kids got molested
and they you know, they take revenge on the guy
did it. I'm I'm I'm all about living. Look, you
gotta follow the rule of the land. You got the constitution,
but you gotta make exceptions. Someone does something like that.
I listened I a person I beat him to death
with a Bible. That's met me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Well see, now what's that case, Christian?

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Are you talking about Louisiana where the cry instructure molested
the kid? The guy shot him off the airplane.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
I didn't know he was a rod instructed. Yeah, that
guy that he waited, he like fiddled them around by
the phones and then he walks out like that.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
No one would like the judges like you just No
one's gonna convict you. Money gonna try this again. You're done,
ye get I'm home. That's I'm sorry. That's the guy
got what he deserved. He doesn't deserve to live. And
that's my humble opinion. You touch a kid, I'm sorry, and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
They didn't expect it, and he was just hanging out.
I guess one of like you know, all these guys
that plans at like a I'm not gonna be able
to get you in a court room, but I'm gonna
get you while you know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
I've always said this, and people ask me, like when
I do parentormal stuff, and what's the strongest thing in
the world, And I was still on point blank. And
this might tick some people off. But you've got your
love of God, and then honestly the maternal love and
then parental fatherly love. But moreno, I don't care. I

(01:34:35):
don't have kids, but I have, you know, relatives, And
I will tell you this right now. There's nothing stronger
than the bond between a mother and a child, especially
when you've got a good mother like I still talk
to my mom three times a week, four times a week.
All right, I'm scared dad too, because I'm afraid she'll
just drive up here and beat the hell out of me,
all right. So that's but like Christine talks to her

(01:35:00):
her mom four or five times a week. But there's
nothing stronger than maternal love.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
There is. It doesn't all right?

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
You you take a daughter, you know, hey, a father
loves his kids as much as that's not true, a
father maternal love and I quit. It's like, here's the
way I look at this, and this is you'll understand
what I'm saying, all right, there was nothing stronger between
the bond between Marry and Jesus. That was her baby.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Boy. It didn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
That's your baby.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
That's why we venerate her because she was the mother
of the son. You know, she's she's mother.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Even if that's what I'm saying, Even as your baby
grows up as.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
An adult, my mom tells me point blank, when I
look at you, I still see it's four years old,
running around taking oreos and thumping your sister.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
In the head. I mean, that's all right.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
So I'm not gonna I'm never gonna be you know,
the six foot you know, guy grew. It doesn't matter
a little Audrey Lee, I'm this little blonde squirt towhead
running around climbing out of fences, you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Know, doing stuff I'm not supposed to do. You know,
that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:36:07):
But that's now. As I said, I'm not I'm not
a parent, but I imagine because my mom is so
good to me and how much I love my mother,
it doesn't make sense for me for people not to
love their mother like that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
I know there's exceptions, because there's been horrible people out there,
but there's nothing stronger than maternal love. Like I mean,
look at the look in the net. You know, I
love watching these videos. I don't mean it's take over
and get weird, but I love watching these little videos.
Is like they'll be like a baby gorilla getting a
drink of water and then this crocodile tries to come
attack them. And next thing, you know, like mom comes

(01:36:39):
out of nowhere and she like picks this thing up
and she's turning this thing in the dust. I mean
she's but maternal love is all. It encompasses the entire
animal planet. I mean, it's like look at another example
is like I love these killer whale videos. Were like
a shark. You know, I can't stand sharks that I
had my issues with them. But like this, try eating

(01:37:00):
a baby killer whale and then you know, just thirteen
of them. Yeah, when they're done, or like elephants, elephants
are awesome. We have you ever see a baby elephant trouble?

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yes, I would not want to.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
Be the poor, poor guy receiving the beating of the
baby elephant when table they.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
Circle and then they attacked the youngest in the middle.

Speaker 4 (01:37:20):
And then now there's this one thing I saw with
this lion killed, uh, this lion and this this whole
pack of the lions killed a baby elephant and the
father the bull elephant. But the father of the baby
like you know how, like they say emotion, you can't
really see emotion in animal's face. You saw the limitation

(01:37:42):
in this guy's face like he was crying.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
He killed the entire lion pride imagine elephant.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
Yeah, it's Africa. He chased down the entire lion, killed him,
would not stop. And he let me tell you something,
these things did not die easy. He had one of
them sucking on a tusk and he left it there
like he that was there on purpose. He wanted people
to see that because the one that he did that
to was the one that killed his son.

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
Let me tell you something, yes, oh.

Speaker 4 (01:38:14):
Hell yeah, I'm a firm I I you know, I've
got I'm a dog guy and I have my boss
Ataria and Nandor and I love him, but I'm the
first one to rag on him. He's a year and
a half old and he's just spoiled, rotten. Christine's ruined
this guy. He's never not slept in our bed, like
you know, all right, But I can't imagine if like
anyone even looked at him like I'm not okay. I'm
just gonna tell your shrif. When I take him to

(01:38:36):
the vat, they have they have a warning.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
It's like it says, daddy's very sensitive.

Speaker 4 (01:38:46):
Me. They literally they they literally take like I'm not
allowed to drop my I'm just not allowed. Christina has
to do it because like I'm an over overprotect That's
what it says, overprotective daddy. But they haven't they have
a stamp mar Oh, yes, of course, but I mean
it's and but I you know that's my baby boy.

(01:39:08):
I mean it smell of football.

Speaker 2 (01:39:10):
Yes, yeah, And let me tell you something, the uh
I know that's that sounds so pathetic. Fifty two year
old guy going off. I tell I have an entourage
wherever I go, I got an onto ruge that falls
me all over the place. I mean, I remember when
my kids are small. You know that you can't even
go and take a shower. Everybody's like, well, no, no,
I don't have kids, but I have dogs, and they're
all like little Christine can't go. See.

Speaker 4 (01:39:32):
The reason why we've got the dog is like where
we live, we couldn't have a dog over thirty five
pounds to keep it small, so we got well, Nandor
is like thirty eight pounds. He's just he's a huge.
Everyone thinks he's a boxer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Uh call him Nandor after that dog.

Speaker 4 (01:39:47):
Yes, yes, I knew it, the Relentless. He's just a
very big dog. He's a big Boston but uh, you know,
we've got his paperwork and we had the DNA done.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
He's one hundreds buck.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
He's just a big boy, right, But he's a little
like he's such a baby because he just like, you know,
it just makes me laugh. He's like a year and
a half old, but he might as well be six
weeks old because Christine still carries around like he's a
puppy and it's like he'll do something and run to her.
Of course you know he's very manipulative, but it's like,

(01:40:22):
what am I gonna know?

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
What you think?

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
This dog's never even yelled at.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Like, don't don't give him a hard look. No, we
didn't know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
You've never even yelled. He's never been spanked in this one.
That really he pissed me up the other day, Marlene.
I said, what are you doing? And he looked at
me like, oh no, don't hit me again, Dad, he
don't hit me again. N I'm like, are you serious?
You're gonna pull out? You've never even spanked, never proof
on the football. Look at how cute dep Poopy is.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Yeah, exactly. I don't believe me, Mike. It's like like
now they're like they're all around me a little pillows
because I just finally got little pillows for everybody, especially
my older ones. But yeah, they're they're followed me around
and everything. And you could tell that they take their
cues from your from your facial expressions, from everything.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
Because we'll play kung fu, like I just remember the
TV show Kung Fu.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
David Cardin.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
I love that show. Like we've dot all the Dv'll
still watch it and like I'll mess with and like
he'll hear the who and I'll look at him and
go whoa, and then I'll like throw a toy at
him or something like that. And I've been doing that
since he was like we got him when he was
seven weeks old. Okay, so he was nothing but a
belly and four legs. And when we got him, he
could and his feet didn't touch the ground. He had

(01:41:37):
to like and then sometimes you had to hop because
he did. He looked like a little bunny something. And
then uh, but we used to mess with him all
the time, and I'm like, whoa, So I do that,
like you know, they'll quite say kinge. That goes into
like attack motor and so we'll be watching that and
he'll just hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
He'll just like on the TV. Because I read a
lot of articles. It was one this is a recent
article that they were talking about that they've found out
that animals, but let's say especially dogs, love the life
they lived, like in other words, that they they enjoy,
they love their their life. If they're like what you're describing,
if they're all taken care of, showing affection and fed obviously,

(01:42:20):
and all this that they love, that they like their life.
They're like that. In other words, I guess people don't think, well,
dog's quality of life? Who cares? I don't want to
need that.

Speaker 4 (01:42:30):
I don't want to know that person's But you know
what's funny, we'll go, all right, if Nandor has been
good cheeseburger, there you go. He doesn't like hold on,
he doesn't like McDonald's. He does, he has a preference.
He prefers Burger King burgers, but he will not eat

(01:42:53):
Burger King fries.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
Oh my god, he's been good. Let me tell you
that I go broke.

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:43:01):
Yes, this is the cript.

Speaker 4 (01:43:02):
This is the guy who goes out in the wilderness
and chases Bigfoot down, but his Boston Terry Eric gets
McDonald's fries and Burger King cheeseburg.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Yeah, so we need to go through two drive throughs. Okay, no,
it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
Yeah, that's exactly what you have to do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
You have to go to two.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
And my my feelance, basically, my wife's like this has
become natural, this is this is nothing, and like she'll
call me and just I'm gonna get Nando or something.
Do you want it's not me, So let me ask.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
And so depending what the dogs from the trip there
for him. But yeah, the dogs and the dogs going
to Burger King. Let me ask you something. What happens
if you ever trying to give him regular dog food?
Does he know what she does?

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
My my, Christine's very What she does is she breaks
up with his food. She just spend fifteen minutes cutting
his She the damn dog eats before she does. Okay,
but she puts it in his food, and he's on
he heats. Uh, he gets that blue buffalo. He's on
special dies and uh yeah, he's got some alergies. So
he gets Bena dryl too. So but he gets ben

(01:44:03):
and dryl and Boor's head salami. Here's what he doesn't
like Public's brand salami.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
He doesn't like give good stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
He'll he'll put it in his mouth up, he won't
eat it. He's a little son of a bitch. I mean,
he really is.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
I love him. That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
You look at you like, oh hell, like he's almost haulted.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
And then he spends half the night waking up. He'll
go under the blankets with Christie he'll get too hot,
he'll come back out. He'll make it like he wakes
everyone up because now he's up, everyone has to be up.
And then he'll like start making his nest with the
blankets and then he'll sleep like that for two hours.
Then he's gonna get too cold. Then he goes back
under the blankets. I mean, this is how my life

(01:44:53):
is now more lean. I sleep better out in the
middle of the sticks with bigfoot.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Lookers fo the other four underneath the bed. Oh you
get you get it, you understand, of course. And this
is the thing. It's like sometimes I wake up like,
oh my god. Oh. And then it's because everybody's like
it's like what hapen? You know? Yeah, it just doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
He keeps doing he And it's funny because he makes
me laugh because like, if you don't pay enough attention
to him, he'll start making noises. Yes, he'll be like, okay,
here's the yesterday Christie.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
For breakfast.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
We had some bacon, all right, and bacon coffee. I
try to avoid carbs, so I just usually like, you know,
bacon and sausae. So I'm sitting there meeting my bacon.
I'm looking at my uh phone, looking at emails, looking
at news, looking, you know, making sure I got everything
lined up, and uh, I'll hear. And at this point
I'm thinking myself, what was that? And then I looked

(01:45:52):
down and it's him, and it's like he's literally saying
the same thing over again.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
It's like.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
And he's just staring at man. It's like you want
some bacon, and it's like to give him bacon. He
won't leave me alone. It's like he's bullying me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
We have we have those you know, those water jugs
for the water that you turn over the gravity. Yeahs O,
well I run out. So they bring me the water
the empty water joke. They bring it to me like
that's balls, that's balls, fell bring my water jug. And
I'm like, okay, all right, I get the idea. I
get it. I get it because oh yeah, they understand
like how they communicate, like we need to let her

(01:46:28):
know that we need water.

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
Yeah, that's and that's all about what we want. Yes,
you know, it doesn't matter. This is all about me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
This is my world. This is my world. You're just
living in it. So let me ask you what are
you working on right now? Are you gonna do anything
for Halloween. What do you what do you where? Mark?

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
We got so much weird stuff going on. Uh, we
just uh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
And the reason why I ask is even though we're
in August, we're they're already putting out Halloween stuff in
this war. And I was like, which is kind of
disappointing because I wish it would wait a little bit,
But it's like, yeah, before you know it, it's here.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
I mean it, it's it's one of these things where
we're working on that property I told you about. With
all the other stuff going on, we've got some uh, paranormally,
We've got this new place paranormally that's it's that. Actually
it's one of these places I'm not sure it's safe
for other people to go in. Really, yeah, because when
you know how well you walk into a paranormal place

(01:47:29):
and you can get like you get hit by the
waves of Yes, I'm saying it's like that wave of
energy you hit the wall kind of thing, and most
people don't know how.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
To deal with that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
So where we've got occupied, Yeah, it's it's it's gonna
be something. But I you know, they wanted us to
check it out first, and you know, we we don't charge.
We've never charged anyone. I'm a firm BELIEVERA we you know,
we're all here to help each other out. That's God's plan.
That's what God put me here to do is help
people out. And that's what I want to do. And

(01:47:58):
you know, my whole organization in Crypto, GID dot com,
American crypt and Paranormal, that's what we do. We just
want to help people, you know, Haunt and Ashville, Joshua,
you know, he just you know, we've always all all
we want to do is hell people. You know, between
me and Brian and Tad, we just want to help people. Yeah,
we're we're also in the entertainment business. When we talk
about paranormal and that you know, that's what that's what

(01:48:18):
that is. It's entertainment, but it's it's all historical and
you know, information we've cured over the years. But when
we can help people, we will. And uh, there's just
a lot of weird stuff going on. It's like it's
like someone juiced everything up.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Have you ever gone on an investigation and I'm talking
here residential, not talking historical, where you kind of like
if you haven't out and out told them kind of hinted, like,
what you will need to do is move.

Speaker 4 (01:48:46):
Yeah, I've actually I've actually given him the number of
a couple of exorcists. I know that time I can't
help them, right, that's I will I want to play
with I'm not training that. None of my guys are training,
that none of my girls are training. That we're not
playing with that. That is that's the line I draw

(01:49:08):
on sand, I'm not doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
I'm gonna ask you real quickly. You heard this story
about this the guy that was touring with the Annambel doll. Yes,
what do you think about that? What do you think
was I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
Thinking it's gonna be natural causes, probably stroke her hard.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Well, he wasn't He was like fifty four years old.
I mean, that's that's my age bracket. And when I
looked at I know what I read from the article.
I think that they tried to do CPR on him
at his room, like in other words, that the doll
wasn't in the room with him. Apparently it was somewhere
who was touring with the doll.

Speaker 4 (01:49:39):
But was a real weird Annabel is a real weird entity,
because uh, even the Warrens even warned after they were gone, yes,
just leave her where she is, right, Uh, and and
that was that's something I'm surprised and uh, someone decided

(01:50:02):
to go out and make money on her.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
That's all it's about.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
And that, honestly, that also falls in line with the
seven Deadly Sins is average greed. So I think that
falls in line with you know, uh, things you shouldn't
be doing, specifically with an item like that. And I
think what ended up happening is is you gotta see
it was a heart attack or it was a paranormal.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Right, I'm just thinking, well, they were saying because people
don't realize that when they made those Conjuring or Annabel movies,
which is that they had to the manufacturers of Raggedy
ann told them, no, you cannot use the likeness or
with the dollars.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
That's why raggedy. Most people realized Annabel's raggedy ann.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
But but they in the movies they made them change.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
Yeah they did, But Annabel's a raggedy as.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Yeah you like that. That that that that really creepy
looking dull, But that's.

Speaker 4 (01:50:49):
Not what the real Annabel is a raggedy end all
from I think the seventh Yeah, sixty eight. I mean
there was My cousin had an exact same one.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Yes, I mean yeah, iverybody sees it and they know
that's a raggedy and.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
Dole's we had raggedy Andy had raggedy Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:04):
That one's raggedy Ann. But everybody thinks that. You know,
you're gonna look at the doll and it's gonna look.

Speaker 4 (01:51:09):
Like But you only know that if you're my you
know our age Brackett. You don't even know that if
you grew up in the eighties now and see it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
This is the part that I wasn't because I haven't
really followed up on it, and I was thinking, but
wait a minute, I thought that was in the museum,
which I think is it? Was it?

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
You were the ones that it was literally locked in
a cabinet, that was in a cabinet, and a cabinet
been blessed and had holy water and crucifixion, are right, right? Right?
And then for some reason, I'm not sure if the
daughter Green Linden Okay, the Warrants had a daughter. I
can't remember what her I think it's Jennifer maybe, right,

(01:51:47):
is that her name?

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
I think it might be Jennifer, but she's she had
to have green Liddy because that was all that all
went to her. I mean, she was the only heir, right,
and I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
If I remembered. I think it was her and her husband,
which were basically the ones that took over the museum, you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
Know, as far as agent the museum closed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:06):
Now see that's the part.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
I think the museum is closed. I think they sold
the house, and I think they litigated. I think that's
what happened. I don't know that's what I heard. I
don't have true Listen, you and I both know how
stuff flutters around a paranormal world as rumors.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Now check this out. I'm looking this up and this
is this is what was tickling in the back of
my brain. The thing. It was called the Devil's on
the Run Tour, which I know is like okay, and
now I know it's like quit your cook when you're
touring with a cult stuff. Maybe. Yeah, they're saying that
the official cause of death is natural causes. That there

(01:52:45):
is mentioned of emergency service responding to a CPR situation,
but germination, which is natural causes, all right, with no
evidence of found play. I think to myself. You know,
I never thought of it as being found play.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Really okay, but if you had an artist stroke but
that was brought on by them force, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
So but what I'm saying natural causes is like, okay,
if he was an old guy, I would say, okay,
natural causes. But you know, for somebody to drop dead
at fifty four, because that's what it sounded literally like,
what happened to this guy?

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
Still young?

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Let's be honest, of course. So okay, and I'm thinking,
must know, you know, I never thought of as being
foul play, but come on, somebody just doesn't like up it. Yeah.
So again, I don't know exactly what happened how the
doll came to go on tour, and I'm wondering if
there's any other items from the museum. I guess that's
my question touring with because it must be like, well,

(01:53:41):
who's gonna I wonder they're even gonna continue with that tour,
but I'm thinking they might because now it's got more tension.

Speaker 4 (01:53:48):
Than it will. You know, here's the other thing. I
hate saying this, but on a a plain of moral
thoughts and uh less paranormal, let's just say the guy
was out of shape at fifty four, had a stroke.
He died naturally. Look at the advertising they're going to
get because Annabel was involved, of course, you know, and

(01:54:12):
is that wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
Is it right? We don't I'm involved in this working.
I mean, I had no idea that they were touring
with the Annibal Doll.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
I honestly didn't think they were dumb enough to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
I never heard. I never heard of that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:26):
That's like someone say, taking Robert the Doll out of
Key West and put him on Showki.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
That's stupid. I mean, I've been around the David Robert
the Doll.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
But Joshua was the one that X rayed him and
got the schiguls, found the Satanic schedules on him. Yeah,
Joshua Pete one. Josh did all that. He was the
one that killed that was all him when he did,
oh fifteen years ago, Robert the Doll. He found all

(01:54:55):
the siguls. They were like written in almost infrared. But
I was like, well, I think it turned out to
be blood. I mean, and then they found bones in
it after they am right it that that that there's
a whole lot more Robert.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Okay, wait here, as a matter of fact here, I
had never heard of that. That's very hold on, let
me see if I can open this up, because and
see that's another thing about the If you look at
the Robert the Doll, I've seen him.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
I've been. I've been face to face with that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Yeah, oh so failure suit. Here's here's Marlene with Robert
the Doll. This was in two thousand and eight.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
Harleen, time has been so kind.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Okay, that was me makes a Robert the Doll.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
No, it's not that your daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
Yeah right, okay, okay, okay, okay, great, I don't got
any money, but anyway, worry about that. This is you
know what that museum that's down in Key West. Yeah, no,
I've got a picture. Yeah we had, Okay. Thing honestly,
I never and I know sometimes these objects will go
dormant for a while. When I was around this thing,

(01:56:12):
I didn't feel nothing. Now, I will tell you in
that museum right next to it, as a matter of fact,
that you could see it almost in the background. There
they had a display for the Sisters of the Sacred Heart.
They opened the current in a hospital. I remember, Yeah,
that stuff had stuff coming off of it. I never

(01:56:34):
got anything off of Robert.

Speaker 4 (01:56:37):
Robert didn't bother me a bit, But now you told
me this, and you got to tell me that again.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
What happened?

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
Honestly, Joshua Pee, wont you look at Google? Joshua Pete
warning Robert dah he did a whole bunch of work
on that. I'll give you his phone number, maybe he'll
do an interview with you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:53):
Okay. And now this is the thing. You know that
the story of Robert the.

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
Dall Yeah, yeah, the lady that she was all voodoo
right right, there's human bones, there's allegedly human bones and
Robert the doll what when they act rayed them? Yeah,
they found bones like this, and they think she actually
went to the graveyard. Again, this is all the stuff

(01:57:19):
I was told, so you know, I'm not the expert
on this one, but apparently she went to the graveyard
and dug something up and actually helped put it in
because she was all into the voodoo and who you know,
she was all into that, and uh, I could totally
see that. It's just the problem with the Robert the dollars.
It's got too much background information for not to be real.

(01:57:40):
And when Joshua went down there, he made a deal.
He had their X rayedor got him. He had their
X rayor got it on her black light. But he
actually found sidewals like seals and different things on it.
And uh no, he was he pioneered that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
He was, he killed. That was all on him. Interesting
because it's fascinating because he did a great job with
this islander magic guarantee. Guaranteed you're talking to your graveyard stuff,
whether it's bones, dirt.

Speaker 4 (01:58:06):
That's what you're gonna hear. But that's what's gonna happen.
It's all when you start playing with that stuff. See,
that's a whole, that's a field. I don't I don't
deal with that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:14):
That I can tell you right now.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
That's what I call my priest and I say, hey father,
so and so, uh this is going on, you know,
maybe throwing me a blessing or doing you to come in.
I'll do another confession and I'll do a couple of
you know, but that's what But that's my everyday life,
you know. That's that's how it works. If I was
something that that works like that, then I go, yeah,
you have to countermn evil. I'm not gonna be afraid

(01:58:36):
of it. But I'm not gonna play with it either.
You know what I'm saying. You know, God says many times,
do not be afraid, so you know, I listen to
the Lord. But I'm also going to take a little help.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
What people which I have. I'm telling you, I never
heard this thing about that there was human bones or
sigils or blood or anything like that. But I will
tell you that a lot of that magic with a
K at the end, they do use that, and they bind.

Speaker 4 (01:59:04):
They do use that, I mean, G I C K. Yeah,
and they.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
Bind human spirits or souls two inanimate objects as an adult.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
That's part of the But that's what happened with you know,
Raggedy Ann you know, or.

Speaker 2 (01:59:18):
That's see, that's the thing. I've read it, but I
never I kind of read the story of how they
ended up with it, but I never. It's basically.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
That had her, two nurses that had her, and they'd
come home and they'd be like, you should be in
a different place where they left her, or they'd be
knows or stuff like this, miss and it got to
the point where they couldn't take it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
And then uh uh, the husband, I can't think his
name right now I've got all these books, the.

Speaker 4 (01:59:51):
The you know, the the demonologist. Uh, mister Warren. He
came over and said, now these things, this is diabod.
You know it's it's it's been in hands with Satanic
inciples and things that nature. He goes, you gotta get
rid of it, and they and they threw it away,
and then it came back the next day. It was
out of the dumpster. So I guess one of them
watched it get put in the trash can or the
watch to get put in the trunk or the drunk

(02:00:13):
the dumpster trunk the back of the dumpster. And it
was back the next day. So she watched, actually watched
these things. It's in the dumpster, it gets dumped up
in the truck, the truck empties out and it goes away.
The next day that doll's back. So at that point,
I think is when they.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Called uh one gave it over to the warrants.

Speaker 4 (02:00:31):
Yeah, and then they were like just get and and
then the wars ended up having to do like an
extras am on the house too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
I think, what's the name of God, I'm drawing such
a blind this guy that he had to show the
haunted collector that he's up in the northeast.

Speaker 4 (02:00:42):
Oh, I know who you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:00:43):
I can't think it was that's gonna As a matter
of fact, he's related to the warrants he did he
Wait a minute, why am I? It's like and then
I know that a feature show John zaphis there. We

(02:01:09):
go okay. I'm surprised though. And this is the thing,
because you know, he has his own occult museum. I
believe I don't tell his stuff. He still has it,
but he has it, and in myself, I wonder if
he ever told him that's not a good idea.

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
Well, Marlean, I think you I can both agree when
you do what we do for a living. Yes, all right,
And this is where I've always drawn the line. When
you try to profit off of the crypti of the paranormal,
you have to produce. You have to do something. Now,

(02:01:46):
I know how long it takes. You just do one podcast, okay,
and you've got what four or five going? Yeah, so
let's be honest. That's sixty that's sixty seventy hours a week.
Let's be honest, idiot, all right, I know that you
know that, all right, but this isn't how you've earned
your living, You've got your books, you've got your retire
you've got all the other Yes, well everyone thing. You know,

(02:02:07):
people don't realize you were very you know you had
a real life.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
Oh yes, you know you were very.

Speaker 4 (02:02:12):
I mean you helped a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
I know what you did.

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
I don't know if people are familiar with what you
used to do, but I know what you used to do.
And you know, God bless you because you help. You
just help people. That's all there is to it, all right.
But when you do this for a living, you have
to produce. And if you don't produce, you got to
come up with something that's a gimmick. And that's the
problem I've always had. You can't do this for a

(02:02:35):
living and be honest, and especially especially i've been doing
Crypti paranormal research now, Marlene, this is my twenty seventh year,
complete waste of life. Anyway, But I've known people that
just they fake stuff, They lie, you know, especially the
crypti world, the crypt very.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
I said, you know what, and I tell them because
when people will join these paranormal teams, they think that
they're going to go out there and they're going to
have a reality show that it's like, that's not the
way it works. These people need to produce something that
will have the people going back to look at the show.
So of course stuff happens, and I go, that's not
the way it really is.

Speaker 4 (02:03:15):
By the way, I think it's because, you know, we
because of Haunted Asheville. I have a very good relationship
with the Discovery Channel. And one of the things every
time I'm on TV, one of the things they tell
me is we've got you here because one we trust
you too, you're honest, and three we know you're gonna
make anything up right, all right, that's why. But that
all comes from, you know, when I was learning how

(02:03:35):
to do all this, and and you know, and Josh
was saying, there's rule number one. I don't want to
use bowel language, but rule noor mores know your stuff. Yes,
if you don't know your stuff, if you ever researched,
if you don't know what the heck you're talking about,
people see through like that.

Speaker 1 (02:03:50):
Yeah, of course you know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
But sometimes they go to these locations and I tell everybody,
Supernatural is not an on demand thing, no, And you
can go to a place and something not that there's
nothing there. Maybe it's just not gonna do nothing for you.
But what I'm saying is that when they produce, like
you said, these shows or something, something better happen because
people are gonna stand around and go, hey, yeah, but
that's what you have.

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
All these oh, this is what you have, these ridiculous
like okay, take what's that number one Paranorlan show. I'm
not even gonna mention names because don't want to give
him the credit. With a certain person, all right, who's
got a museum in Vegas? Nothing on that real, nothing
on that is real. It's all ridiculous. Yes, okay, I've
been in this twenty seven years. I could probably compile

(02:04:31):
enough to have three or four shows or documentary.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
That's it. And that's with all the stuff I have,
and I have more. I have hard drives, I've got
flash drives full of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:04:44):
I've got the picture, I've got all these hundreds of
thousands of pictures, thousands of it all right, but maybe
out of one one and one hundred of them are
worth watching. Right, you could say, can't you can't do
you cannot just it's like, uh, what was the remember
the original ghost show? It was on after the X Files.

(02:05:05):
It was the two Plumbers from I think.

Speaker 2 (02:05:08):
Those guys.

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
Yeah, but they were awesome because they showed everything that happened.
And the reason why they quit their show is because
they wanted to start faking stuff and they're like, no,
we're not doing it right if it doesn't happen, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
I think Grant was Granted Guy's name was one of them,
and Jason Hawes was Jason.

Speaker 4 (02:05:26):
Or Grant saw what they were doing in post production
because they were going to move something to make it
look like you had been you know, done, and they're like,
what are you doing, We're not doing this isn't what
we do. This is you know, you know, And that
was how the show ended. Uh So I have nothing
but respect, But that's honesty. You can't have a ghost
show on for X amount of years with something new

(02:05:46):
every show.

Speaker 2 (02:05:48):
It doesn't work. It's because when you get that everybody
it's just telling somebody. You know, I'm not saying that
there's nothing there. I lost him, come back, I lost
my guest. I hope it comes back. I wonder what
happened that was sudden? Now, sometimes you stuff that goes

(02:06:13):
sideways and they start like the Internet starts blinking in
and out and then but this was like, I wonder
what we're talking about. Hm hmm. I wonder what it
was going to be that it decided to like take
him out of the picture literally if he doesn't come back,
maybe had a power outag where he's at. I'm telling you,

(02:06:37):
I know, it's like, Okay, don't go there, Marlee. But
sometimes when you start talking about certain things and out
of the blue things go sideways, It's like, wait a minute,
that's paranormal sabotage. There we go.

Speaker 4 (02:06:50):
I'm sorry about that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
Okay, was it you or was that something we were
talking about? I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (02:06:55):
I'm just I was about to make a point and
next thing I know, I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (02:06:58):
I know, I was like, what how I think? What
were we talking about? Uh? Yeah? That Sometimes I'll tell
you what you know when we talk about I don't
know if you ever heard about this gentleman Bob Kramer,
that he runs or he had that house in uh Pittsburgh,
that he wrote that book, The Demon of Brownsville Road.

(02:07:19):
I do.

Speaker 4 (02:07:19):
I do know that I've never met him.

Speaker 2 (02:07:21):
I haven't read I need to read him not too
long ago, and he's turned the thing into a bed
and breakfast. Well, we're talking about it, and he says
he prohibits anybody from going in there to do any
type of either dowseeing, parapsychic word much less a paranormal search,
nothing zip zero, because he says that he went through

(02:07:43):
so many years clearing that house that he would never
allow anybody to go back in there. My point being
that if he wanted to, if he if he opened
that place up for paranormal investigations, he would make a mint.

Speaker 4 (02:07:57):
The people he knows, the people that own actual horrors.
That's another tour company in Asheville. Apparently they about the
Lizzie board House. Okay, and that's what they're doing. I
guess it's a B and B. I guess it was
a million five for the Lizzie board House to me paranormally.
If you're gonna have a destination, that's that's brilliant.

Speaker 2 (02:08:18):
Yes, yes, but he I was talking because he he
he went he's I want to say, he's been in
that properly, like thirty years or more, and he really
went through some pretty difficult horrid things there. And he says, no,
he goes, now, it's just a nice BMB and you
know on all this, but he says absolutely he does

(02:08:42):
not allow anybody to do anything having to do with
the paranorm he goes because he had he had the
Catholic Church involved there. As far as basically doing exciorcism,
they're doing massileves. He really went through, like what an
ordeal to try to clear that place of what was
going on there. So my point being that you were
saying about making money sometimes that what you see is

(02:09:06):
might not be the legit stuff either. Like I said,
sometimes things are there, but not that you're going to
make it do like stunts, like a trick dog. Every
time you want something to happen, it.

Speaker 4 (02:09:17):
Doesn't happen that way.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
And you and I both know it.

Speaker 4 (02:09:20):
You know, if you're very lucky, you'll catch one percent
of something happens.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
And that's what you say.

Speaker 4 (02:09:25):
But people, like I said, people with these shows that
are on year after year, they're not real. It's like
people that's not real. I don't care When it says
written by in the credits, right all right, that means
the show was written by. So when that to me,
when I see written by, to me that that in
encompasses the fact that someone fictionally wrote this thing.

Speaker 2 (02:09:45):
This is what happened, here's what you know. And I
know that because you know, I did two shows and
I still get contacted on and off by different producers,
especially out of Canada, like oh, we're going to put it,
put a show with this th That's.

Speaker 4 (02:10:00):
That's where they all are. They start in England, they
go to Canada and to come get you a heere
and like.

Speaker 2 (02:10:04):
Do you know of anybody marthy? You know like that,
and like in other words, But there was one that
one of the last ones I want to say was
something like with the roommate of the paranormal one of
those deals like if you had a story of and
I said, I don't know anything, but i'll if I
find out, I'll send them your way. See, that's that
I can understand, because this is basically people retelling their
story about maybe something that happened to them once upon

(02:10:28):
a time that that's more credible.

Speaker 4 (02:10:29):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
My problem is when Dick, you said, when you have
these same teams going over and over to you know,
to these all these different locations, and every time something
always happens, and it's like, come on, it doesn't it works? Yes,
we've I've had stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:10:41):
I've had stuff on America's Most Haunted Bars, America's Haunted
is all right. I've had stuff in Ashville from that,
and you know again that all comes from being part
of Haunted Ashville. You know, Josh had ninety nine percent
of the stuff to do that. I just go investigate
afterwards because he was in the right town. But you know,
we'll get contacted by people. Do you have any more?
Have any more I've had? I think I've gotten three

(02:11:03):
or four people on TV, yes, but I've never gotten
Here's the other thing. I've never got a cent for it.
Of course, all right, you know how that works. Everyone thinks, oh,
you're making those you get I've discussed. I've been paid
one hundred and fifty bucks for all the TV appearances
I've had, and I've got six or seven of them.

Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
You know, been the houses this. I've been flown to Michigan.
I've been flown to Canada on their dime and they
put me up. But as far as money, money, not really.

Speaker 4 (02:11:31):
No, I've never been flown anywhere. I've had drive places
and I was promised dinner. I got there, there was
no dinner.

Speaker 2 (02:11:37):
There was no dinner.

Speaker 4 (02:11:38):
There was no let me tell you it was so funny.
I had fun one time they used but and I
think what the.

Speaker 2 (02:11:45):
Point that we're arriving at Christian is that if people
think you go into this like you're gonna make it
so much money, it's like not really, you better be listen.

Speaker 4 (02:11:54):
How many books have you published? Six, seven, ten?

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
About nine? All right?

Speaker 4 (02:12:00):
So I was okay, all right, if there was a
whole lot of money in writing books, all right, would
you be doing this?

Speaker 2 (02:12:08):
Of course? Okay, well, yeah, it depends it would be
half and half.

Speaker 4 (02:12:12):
I'll tell you about it. I've actually been approached by
a publishing company and then they want me to write
a book, and I've got about ten chapters done and
I'm kind of at this point where I've got you know,
I've hit the wall. But the bottom line is no,
it's it's it's it's uh, it's it's it's things that
we've actually done real case they want, like, okay, take

(02:12:34):
us from zero step. What happens first? All right, Well,
I usually get a phone call from the eight hundred number,
I'll get an email and I'll talk to them. And
if I think they're not insane, I'll meet with them,
but I'll meet with them at a Starbucks or Mickey
D's because I never want to go to these people's houses,
you know, because people are.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
Crazy as hell. Marline. I've had people.

Speaker 4 (02:12:55):
I had this one guy. I used to call him
crazy John, all right. He used to call me okay
and again and three two, nine, four eight five one.
I've had this dimmer for years. He used to call
me on Friday nights and probably two in the morning,
and he'd be schnockered schnocker and be like, hey, I'm
all introduce you to big Foot, but I need to
drive up here with Casey Jack Daniels, all right, And

(02:13:18):
it wasn't here's the directions, here's the grid coordinates. And
he pumped on me in the computer and to look
where it is, and it's there's it's in the middle
of frigging nowhere, like it's it's when you see the
stump in the road, take a left.

Speaker 2 (02:13:32):
That the kind of everybody, and I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm going to show some there. And most people have
seen this because this is one of the if I
can find it, let's see you're sometimes since sometimes I'm

(02:13:53):
doing I'm trying to do too much.

Speaker 1 (02:13:56):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:14:01):
And stuff. Okay, Anyway, I wrote I wrote a book
called Supernatural Safety Paranormal Bey Guide, And part of that
that I talk about is that I have to laugh
because the thing about the shows, these people have production
teams that basically look up the cases and make sure

(02:14:23):
everything is safe. I tell everybody, you know, part of
the thing of being a paranormal is it you got
to be careful of where you're going, like for safety,
like for I'm not talking about spiritual safety. I'm talking
about your personal safety or that of your team. Well.

Speaker 4 (02:14:37):
See, that's the people don't realize or with.

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
People that you're like, what am I doing here? Get
me out now.

Speaker 4 (02:14:44):
Some of the only times I've been, like I said,
twenty seven years, I can think if five or six
times I was not coming out of the woods, and
none of them, well two of them had nothing new cryptids.
It was either that's what I'm talking about, bootleggers or
meth heads. And I'll tell you what I have no
problem selling everyone everyone on my team is they gotta

(02:15:06):
conceal weapons permit. And you know where I got a
three fifty seven highway patrolman on my right hip and
if I can't shoot you, I'll beat you with it.
And uh, if that don't work, then the forty five's
coming out, so we don't play.

Speaker 2 (02:15:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:15:21):
And there's been several times, I will tell you straight up,
there have been several times where I have pulled from
the leather holster and made some exaggerated threats because people
had shot We've been shot at. You know, there's nothing
like being shot at with a shotgun with DOUBLET buck
because you know that noise. You hear that noise and

(02:15:43):
you remember it and then you know, especially when it
hits the tree two feet above you.

Speaker 2 (02:15:47):
But people don't ever, they get so caught up with
the paranorm.

Speaker 4 (02:15:51):
They don't care.

Speaker 2 (02:15:52):
But you know what, there's an aspect to this for
It's like that you end up in places or situations
where you, wow, this is not good to be out here,
or I need to get out of here, or the
person that brought me here is like, okay, there's something
missing upstairs.

Speaker 4 (02:16:11):
We've literally had people, I'm gonna tell you straight up,
and I think you'll understand this. We've literally brought people
people used to ask to go on especially crypt investigation. Yes,
because everyone wants to see a CRYPTI. Everyone want to
see they a buzzball. And we've been out in places.
I've been out with a Discovery Channel with the camera
crew and the director. Everyone involved ran away three separate

(02:16:32):
times on the same show. Three times, Marlen all their headlights,
their headlights were I'm talking to everyone. The guy they
hired to protect everyone, this little punk shows up. He's
got a little twenty two revolver. H We're eight miles
in the gorge and this guy is.

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
Like, oh, everybody out here.

Speaker 4 (02:16:50):
He hears something that's thrown and then he hears us.
Oh you know he This guy ran so fast I've
never seen and the prick was wearing a cowboy boots
in the middle all right, so this is a good
otle boy. He's not thinking he's gonna see anything in
these suckers. This guy built land speed records and heels
all right. And then you had the director. This guy

(02:17:11):
looks like he's right out of Hollywood. He's wearing the
stupid hat and he's got the you know, the the
shorts and the car and he just this guy starts
screaming and he's yelling Hail Mary's while he's running and
the digital audio guy starts crying and he takes off,
and the camera guy is literally pushing that guy out
of his way. And that left me and another person.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
There and like, hey, the guy, the guy that I'll
tell you who it is.

Speaker 4 (02:17:37):
Like because I can't speak of him right now because
it's he's he's still the show still on. But he goes,
you can't believe they left the talent behind. The guy
looks at me dead pan. He goes, Christian, I can't
believe they left the talent behind. And I'm looking around
and I go like this so it happens with me
all the time, man, but it's it's And then he's

(02:17:57):
just looking at me. He's like, you're armed, right, And
I'm like oh yeah, and he's like okay.

Speaker 2 (02:18:01):
He goes, what do we do?

Speaker 4 (02:18:02):
I said, well, they all ran the wrong waygured that.

Speaker 2 (02:18:08):
We take her. One time I was doing we were
doing a we had gone to do two sites, and
you know what it is that Everglades Memorial. The one
went out there, then we went to this other place
that they used to call it the asylum, but really
it used to be an old It's like right on
the edge of the Everglades. It used to be an
old radio communication and then it went downhill and then

(02:18:32):
it's not really an asylum because I looked at it,
but people were. So we went out with this production
crew and I remember they everybody got spooked. The girl,
the hostess, and I was doing They were asking me questions.
But we had another guy also there, and you know,
they have this like this little team of people that
follow you around because we're like, this is the decisions,

(02:18:52):
woods and trees and there's graffiti and everything, and I
swear to god, all of a sudden, I can't remember
it was who heard what? And it was you know,
like that when an animal stampede, that one goes and
then before you know it, everybody just went like where
are you guys going? They had they have primed themselves
so much that people the good the the camera guy

(02:19:17):
with a camera here, he's going. The girl that she
was like, the hostess, she's a tall girl. She had
come like she's all decked out, really like dressed, really nice.
She's gone. All these other people that you know, millions
that are routher they're gone. And me and this other
guy that we used to be on this. We used
to invest even the same foundation. We're like, because he
was the one that got them. He talked to me,

(02:19:38):
says Marlene, how they want to do the show out there.
So he was the go between the liades on and
we and we weren't standing out there looking at each
other like what happened. Everybody booked it because that's what happened.

Speaker 4 (02:19:50):
Well, they freaked themselves up so bad, like they fa themselves.
Imagine that happened in three times on the same shoot
three times. The guy they hired to protect us, he
never showed back up to this day. I think he's
still running. I have I was completely I have this

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on a go pro by the way, so they say, oh,
that didn't happen, bullshit on my go pro. So I
don't even tie with me. You guy said there arguably Ran,
is that not you?

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
Because that's some people don't realize. A lot of stuff
goes behind the scenes that these people they have no maybe,
but yeah, it's there's a lot of stuff that goes
on behind the cameras well, like you know, and some of.

Speaker 4 (02:20:37):
The stuff they asked me to like okay, well okay,
we found footprints and we found like we found this.
It was ten foot tall, and there was this and
it was all in like vines. But something ran through
this thing and it was ten foot tall and you
see the shoulders and you guest should have head took
through and just ran through this thing. And there was
footprints eventy six feet right, and he goes, what is that?

(02:20:58):
And I'm I'm measuring stuff out you because I'm profound.
I'm going out there. I got my tape measures out.
I'm taking pictures, you know, I'm measuring how high things are.
And the guy's like, is that real or you just
make it? I'm like, do I look ten foot tall
at you? How what's wrong with And when he saw

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this thing, his face.

Speaker 2 (02:21:22):
Listeny.

Speaker 4 (02:21:22):
He was a nice guy. I'm not knocking him. He
just never been out there before. We've never seen any
stuff before, and let alone eight miles in the middle
of freaking nowhere. And his face is like, is that real.
I'm like, yeah, that's really good. That's a footprint. I'm like, yeah,
that's why I'm measuring taking picture. Goes it's a footprint,
something made that. I'm like, yeah, that's what we're here for.

Speaker 2 (02:21:45):
Me tell you something. They I'm going to give you
another this is something that I'm currently working on it.
It's it doesn't have to do with a paranorl but
it leads over. Like I work with the with a
search and rescue group here, so once in a while
we'll take out, not me because I don't have dogs,
but they have. I take that back. People think of
cadaver dogs, but nowadays you can train dogs too for

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different sets.

Speaker 4 (02:22:08):
I understand.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
You know, before you know it was like live person
of that person. Now you can train dogs to smell
just about every anything. So sometimes we've got out, Like
one time we went out on this guy that was
a cold case. He's like he's been disappeared for like
ten years, twenty thirteen, twelve years, and he used to
go through a certain hiking trail. So they took the

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opportunity because they say that they can these dogs believe
or not consent even decades old. If somebody's buried in
the ground, they can find it, they can still scent it.
So they took the opportunity to go through where he
was usually seen and take the dogs out. Let me
tell you something. And you go through some of these
places and you're like, you know, you might not And

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I guess you only feel this when you've been doing
this type of work. It's like, you know, this guy
might be out here, he might not, but there's a
there's somebody out here. There's more than a few people
out here that have been that are under the roots
of certain trees. I could feel it was best grave
guard there is okay and this out here, this you know,

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this part of North Florida, they have, you know, a
lot of these You know that there's nothing out there.
And when I say literally there's nothing, people go out
there either horseback riding or they'll have like a little trail,
you know, and you know, they let the dogs run
just to see what they pick up certain sense and
things like that. And I mean I was out there
basically working as a Basically I would stay on the road.

(02:23:39):
I was armed, and I was making sure because when
they put the they let these dogs run. The handlers
will usually go out with them up to a certain point,
but just to make sure keeping you know, make sure
that you keep an eye on everybody that's.

Speaker 4 (02:23:53):
In see safety and remember seeing safety.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
You remember that from some of these places, you know,
they have these dips. And I was like, who, but
I was walking out there, and a couple of times
this was it was winter but it was still hot.
It was the middle of the day. And a couple
of times, I'm not killing Christian, I got this this
thing like, oh that's fighty sense of the paranormal. We're like,
I'm out in the middle of nowhere, but there's something
out here, something And I don't mean as in cryptid.

(02:24:21):
I'm talking as in, somebody deceased was out here and
it's still And I was like, but I'm not gonna
say this because then all these other people looking for
the dead guy that disappeared, which they still haven't never
found him.

Speaker 4 (02:24:36):
You know, uh yeah, I again, you know, we got
to places where we'll be looking for something paranormal. And
then I looked down after a while and we find
footprints and I was like, okay, this just made a turn.
Or you know, you do something cryptid, then you start
hearing about all this paranormal stuff happened in the area.

Speaker 2 (02:24:56):
I mean, to me, they're very.

Speaker 4 (02:24:58):
Much connected that you can't have one without the other,
because when you start to do it, they're real digging
and they're real it's they're connected. They're like you know,
they're like a double helix for a DNA, it's connected
and you can't. There's just my my question is why
excuse me, because I still want to know.

Speaker 2 (02:25:16):
Well, you'll talk to a lot of people that will
say there's a there's a spike in sightings almost at
the same time of cryptids, UFOs, yeah, ET's or et
abductions or contact or sightings or and it's like, okay,
so what do all these things have in common? You know? Why?
Why why do all of a sudden everybody's seeing lights

(02:25:37):
in the sky and then bigfoot at the same time.

Speaker 4 (02:25:41):
I don't know, it's it's it's especially this year. I've
noticed this year, you know, when when we were dealing
with COVID and everything, the paranormal stuff spiked. But that's
because people were staying home. They're just paying more attention
the stuff that the cryptid stuff, we didn't hear a
whole lot out because no one was in the woods.
And then halfway through when people coming out the woods,
my crypto reports just skyrocketed. Yes, but people will well,

(02:26:04):
because people stayed home, and it's like the woods kind
of took you know, nature kind of claim nature back,
you know, And uh, I think that had a correlation
with the fact that, uh, the cryptids were like, hey,
where's you know, where's that pink hairless ape?

Speaker 2 (02:26:19):
What's he doing? Why is it he around here?

Speaker 4 (02:26:21):
I guess maybe he left, So we'll take this back
and you know, yeah, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (02:26:26):
Do you think do you think that Bigfoot? I want
to use bigfoot? Do you think Bigfoot ever prays on humans? Definitely?
Thank you, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (02:26:38):
You'd be a fool not to again. You got a wounded,
you got someone wounded or getting old, or maybe the
teeth are bad and they've been deposed, they're out, they're
kicked out. They still got to eat. So oh, look
here's this human who's too stupid to know what's going on.
Or now I got to chase a raccoon. Uh yeah,
give me a human. For a couple of days, I've
been saying that for your dog, Sino sep fly. What

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what makes me mad about every when people do paranormal
crypto research in news?

Speaker 2 (02:27:05):
For it, there's no such thing as a werewolf.

Speaker 4 (02:27:08):
A werewolf doesn't exist. Nothing transmographies from a human being
into a wolf, all right, it doesn't happen. See no cephala,
I have been in the historical narrative for thousands of years.
Uh well, yes, Sat Christpher, thank you. I had to
bring that up and someone I had a guy tell

(02:27:28):
me I was crazy. I said, google Saint Christopher and
see what he originally was. His dog had a managed
to see no Cephali. That guy I blew his mind.
He was in total shock. He's like, this can't be real. Uh,
but it's real. And uh, you know, I love doing stuff,
excuse me, stuff like that to people because they don't
see it coming. They can't think about it. They're like,
they're like, oh wait, that's not real. And then I

(02:27:50):
was a sudden no, this is a biblical account, all right.
Sat Christopher was literally raised by a group of guys
that were you know, Gregorian h priests, and they taught
him how to they taught him to do and he
was so strong you could carry people across the water,
and at one point in time he carried the christ
Child across you know, a pond, so nothing would happen
to him, all right, and that's boom. Now we say, Christopher,

(02:28:11):
what's wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (02:28:13):
Why is that?

Speaker 4 (02:28:14):
Why is that so far off the limits to believe? Now,
you know, Okay, so now we have all these reports
of dog headed men. And here's the way I look
at it. Like this, When seventeen seventy six was I
don't know, you've heard me say this, and I'm going
to say it again. But when seventy seventy six was happening,
everyone was focused on what North America, specifically New England.

(02:28:36):
What they didn't realize is that there was a pandemic
of smallpox crippling the world, and that went to Canada,
that went to Russia, that was also going on on
the West coast of United States and South America. Well,
what people don't realize if you read the book called
Pox Americana. According to the author there the only virus

(02:28:57):
that will spread from man to basically Great Ape is
what smallpox. Let's just say, yeah, that's actually true. Yeah,
so let's just say smallpox is taking us out. There's
stories in Canada about Bigfoot's coming in and dying laying
next to their human friends that they've been trading with
and barring with for years and decades and centuries and

(02:29:18):
things of that. So you have to take all that
on account. Well, what's to say that, you know, the
Sino step flite doesn't have the same DNA that we have.
It's just there's a caneine factor in there, and that
would across of course jumping in and do the same
thing to them. So that would explain why it took
so much time for them to come back in their
population to come back. Now, I defy anyone to tell

(02:29:41):
me that's not possible. You can't, because it is. So
that's my opinion on what what happened. That's why we're
now we're getting all these huge, massive reports. And here's
the other thing most people don't realize. Molly, Let's look
at the national Let's look at the four system, all right,
you have I'm looking at a map of the the
United States right here on the side of that. Remember

(02:30:02):
the old school ones everyone's used to go down to school.

Speaker 2 (02:30:06):
I have one of those.

Speaker 4 (02:30:07):
And as I look at this great country of ours,
I can see where the National park system is at right,
and you literally have enough space for something to migrate
from north to south, east to west at any point
in time of the year, and they will never run
the human beings. So here's the other thing is who

(02:30:28):
put who put the National park system into effect? You
remember Teddy Roosevelt. You have an a Teddy Roosevelt is
also the first person to write about the Bauman experiment
or the expedition, all right, that's in his book The
Wilderness Under eighteen ninety six. So you've got a president
that writes about a bigfoot incident that's one of those

(02:30:49):
famous bigfoot incidents, and then he goes right, it turns
around and makes the National Park System. I don't believe
in coincidence. When Lewis and Clark were told, all right,
here's what you're going to do, but you have to
make friends of the Native Americans, Lewis Mary Wether, Lewis goes,
I don't think that's a good idea, sir. He's saying
this to Jefferson and Jefferson and the reason why is

(02:31:11):
because you're gonna be run into something called the harry
Man or the sash question is Bigfoot and honey anyway
or the old mod whatever you want to call this
for a bastard, you're gonna run into them. And Native
Americans are the only ones that know how to deal
with them. So not only you're gonna be polite and
price nice, as Native Americans can give them what they want,
they're gonna teach you how to deal with these things
that you will run into. I have a depiction from

(02:31:32):
my in one of my books. It's from the Lion
Lewis and Clark books. It was pre nineteen fifty because
in nineteen fifty they changed it, but it shows you
a picture of Lewis and Clark running in with the Harryman.
They run into them. There's too and Mary. Lewis and
Clark and the other horses are like this. All of
a sudden, there's a big foot right in front of them,
all right. That he drew that that was drawn by

(02:31:53):
merri Wether Lews all right. So you can't say people
haven't known about this. So here's my thing we have.
We can literally say we have known about bigfoot in
this country since Jefferson, all right, and no one's ever
said anything because they didn't want to stop westward expansion.

Speaker 2 (02:32:14):
Thinking about all thousands of people since.

Speaker 4 (02:32:16):
That time that have disappeared because they ran across one
of these things. That might have been hungry. He might
have been angry, I've been pistol. We don't know, But
think of how many people have disappeared over the centuries because.

Speaker 2 (02:32:28):
People that say, Okay, they disappeared. We think they might
have fallen in a ravine, but you really don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:32:31):
I Errikson in ninet eighty a d when he was
coming into Newfoundland. First thing he said, he ran into
a group of hairy, angry savages that stunk.

Speaker 2 (02:32:40):
You know what he was doing.

Speaker 4 (02:32:40):
He was trying to spread Christianity because at that point
he had just become a Christian and he was trying
to spread Christianity. That was just that's all his whole
focus was. I've been a savage, I've been in heathen.
Now I've spread the word of God. I go to
this Newfoundland. The second we drop our ships were being
surrounded by a group of harry smelling people that are
eight nine feet tall and then.

Speaker 2 (02:33:00):
Throw rocks at us. You know what now that you said,
do you are you familiar with what happened with Merriweather?

Speaker 4 (02:33:08):
Yeah, definitely yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:33:09):
Do you think he committed suicide? Do you think he
was killed?

Speaker 4 (02:33:11):
He was two times in the head with a flint
how how? Yeah? And the other thing that the only
thing that survives is Masonic apron well.

Speaker 2 (02:33:24):
And then also the guy in other words, the because
you know this was around the top of the Louisiana
purchase and he had been made a government you know
that hist for this expedition. That ye, he got a
chunk River alley. But there was there was apparently there was.
They were putting out rumors from what I understand, that

(02:33:45):
he was misappropriating funds one of those deals on his trip.
Even though there's the there's another worse. They stood what
was the name of the guy, the one that wanted
to like take over America. That, as a matter of fact,
the guy that Andrew Johnson are not at the same time,
these are because.

Speaker 4 (02:34:04):
That was the guy that got to do with uh uh.
And of course he was was the sleaziest guy to live.
You know who his father, you know, his grandfather was
Jonathan Edwards, ben Bullo justice at an Angrish Center, Puritan

(02:34:25):
minister Jonathan Edwards. He's got used to people in church
for eight hours on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:34:30):
Oh, I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (02:34:31):
And he was basically considered he was basically considered American royalty.
He was an ass an Burg got what he deserved
and then all of a sudden, Arnberg wants to turn
American and the biggest slave colony. I said, what we're
gonna do, is gonna base.

Speaker 2 (02:34:45):
They were they were basically one. There's another. There's another.
I don't know if you ever heard of them. There's
another family called the Blenner Hausets. Okay, the story of
that their contemporaries with Aaron. As a matter of fact,
Blenner Hassett, the main guy, gets arrested along with Aaron Burr.
You know when this whole thing that wasn't the.

Speaker 4 (02:35:06):
Duel Hamilton, No there.

Speaker 2 (02:35:11):
Okay, after because first there was first. The first thing
I think the black mark against Aaron Burr was when
that duel took place. That was that made right, that
didn't make that which as a matter of fact, it
was three years at the same place where Jefferson lost
his son to a duel, right, okay. But then later

(02:35:31):
on is when they have that basically that scandal about
them because of Louisiana purchased and wanted to take they
didn't like you said, no westward expansion, We're going to
take this over. There's another family. They're Irish. Lennard Hasset.
This guy here, he's in Ireland and their old Irish family.

(02:35:52):
He elopes with his niece, He marries his niece. Well,
I'll take that back. They can have never been able
to deuce a marriage certificate because they don't think they
could find But the family like fell into like that,
Like he comes over here, but when he comes over
here to the United States, nobody knows any better. You know,
of what happened in back in Ireland. They have a

(02:36:13):
bunch of kids. But he's involved. He ended up getting
arrested along with Aaron Burr with that thing. I mean,
there was a lot of movers and shakers, is my point,
trying to basically that land grab.

Speaker 4 (02:36:27):
Yeah, but they want to remember remember Marline, they wanted
to turn South America. They wanted to take South America
and Vanechaster in Mexico.

Speaker 2 (02:36:34):
They wanted to Mexico, all.

Speaker 4 (02:36:35):
Of South America, Mexican and the Caribbean and turn that
into a slave They.

Speaker 2 (02:36:39):
Want a new Rome.

Speaker 4 (02:36:40):
That's what they're trying. That's what they were trade. And
at that point everyone's like, what are you crazy?

Speaker 2 (02:36:46):
Well, but people don't realize, you know, because you always
think of the you know, the the that when the
United States was going developing westward, you know that that
everything was copasetic, and nobody understood that and I guess
even with what's going on now, it's a total conspiracy.

Speaker 4 (02:37:01):
It's on the original American conspiracies. It's right up there
with the Masonic treasure. It's it's right up there, because
I am convinced that that still has never been found.

Speaker 2 (02:37:12):
Well, they and this is in other words, there's they
were even thinking that that. In other words, this guy
Merriwether Lewis that basically he they did away with him
because he was a straight arrow. He wasn't going to
go along with the with the plant, but he had
been made governor of that territory. So that's basically what

(02:37:35):
they got rid of it.

Speaker 4 (02:37:35):
But what's weird. The only thing that they found after
he shoots himself twice with a flint lock pistol was
his Masonic apron.

Speaker 2 (02:37:47):
I didn't know that well, But you know what another
thing they have refused. Supposedly he's buried or is it
at that place which is now a federal park or
federal land, They have refused to ever let them take
a DNA test of him to find out what they
can find if there's any poison, because there was even
rumors that he had been poisoned.

Speaker 4 (02:38:08):
Well that the land lady or the you know, when
he was staying at that hotel, that landlady. Her story changed.

Speaker 2 (02:38:14):
Oh yeah, but she she because it was basically like
a waystside in kind of in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (02:38:19):
It was.

Speaker 2 (02:38:20):
It was the middle of nowhere, and he was the
only kind of in her husband, at least for the night.
She's with her two kids. She's hearing something going on.
She doesn't leave, she doesn't come out, she lets whatever
it is. The guy that was his servant commit suicide.
Six months later, but allegedly, allegedly.

Speaker 4 (02:38:40):
Anytime I hear suicide in history, well no.

Speaker 2 (02:38:43):
See he can initially because does this happen. This murder
happened like in that little waste, like like one of
those roadside in Tabrita. It was in Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (02:38:54):
It was in Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (02:38:55):
It was, but it was like that this was not
a populated area he was in.

Speaker 4 (02:38:58):
It was in the middle of nowhere, ten nowhere.

Speaker 2 (02:39:02):
So they basically had to take the word of these people.
And one of the things also his his servant. They
saw him later on wearing his clothing and they're like,
what what are you doing. It's supposedly six months later
guess what he's supposedly allegedly committed legend. You know, everybody,
in other words, anybody that could contribute something to that.

Speaker 4 (02:39:26):
You know what you think about that, Marlene, Take that
same narrative and bump it up to the nineteen fifties
and put it in Majestic twelve. How many people forestall allegedly, Yes,
jumps out of the story window and it's alleged. It's
the same narrative.

Speaker 2 (02:39:43):
History.

Speaker 4 (02:39:44):
History does not change.

Speaker 2 (02:39:45):
Well, I did back in two thousand oh shoot, seventeen eighteen,
I did a tour. There's a there's a skyscraper out
here in Miami, and I did a tour because they asked, say,
they came and asked me to do a tour like
a Halloween night. All right. Now, this this was like

(02:40:06):
one of the first guyscrapers in downtown Miami. One of
the guys, one of the gentlemen, that was the first. First.
There was an old hotel there called the Hollison. All right,
they tore that down on the side of the Allison
they built this.

Speaker 4 (02:40:21):
Are you talking about the Fountain Blue?

Speaker 2 (02:40:22):
No, No, that's on the beach. They now supposedly the
story is they when they built the building, they've made
it like into office, like an office. At the back
at the bottom was a bank, and then the other
floors Marilee, what's his name? There's a gentleman who's a

(02:40:42):
very good friend of John F. Kennedy. Okay, guess what
three days after Kennedy's assassinated. That day, so happens that
his secretary has to go to a DNISA appointment and
he supposedly jumps off the tenth floor. His office was

(02:41:07):
on the tough floor and he lands. They had like
a I think it was on the fifth floor. They
have you know where juts out like you know sometimes
they have m When I was doing when I was
preparing the notes for that that tour, part of the
tour part of the building, his daughter contacted the people
that were producing the things and she said, my father.

(02:41:28):
He says, my father did not commit swissle. She was
And this was what nineteen sixty three, So we were
talking about people that are allegedly do things.

Speaker 4 (02:41:41):
Yeah, if that makes sense, because remember, you know, if
the Kennedy assassination was run by the FBI, the mafia
in Cuba, that makes sense because Miami's right there. Miami's
the hotspot. Then it goes to New Orleans and it
runs into oh god, what was that mob guy's name
that hated Kennedy because he deported them to Peru? A
little Italian guy. Guy used to kid he had his

(02:42:08):
pants The guy literally used to have his pockets and
his pants expanded because you carried thirty grand, and as
he used to carry thirty grand. Marcelo Marcello. Uh so,
Marcello's he's running Vegas and at that time, I don't
know who's running florists Trapic County probably, and you know,
and so they have Listen, they hated Kennedy. The mob

(02:42:30):
put Kennedy in office, and then he goes around and
screws him by by starting the anti mob thing, and
then you know, and bringing all these guys down, and
you know, they wanted him dead. Do you know what
he did to Marcello? Marcello was not an American citizen.
He had Marcello basically kidnapped and dropped off in the
Peruvian jungle. Yeah, this guy's walked around in an Italian

(02:42:53):
suit and wingtips for three days before he could find
a phone and get to it.

Speaker 2 (02:42:59):
And then jungle that I don't care who you are.

Speaker 4 (02:43:02):
You don't do that to someone, you know, Kennedy's did
many they played and then you wonder why we happened,
and then you throw the Marilyn Monroe ship and all
that other stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:43:13):
You know, you know what the other day, as a
matter of fact, what was it that they were talking
about that they do think that that that despite everything
that they say, that Marilyn monrodiculous suicide because.

Speaker 4 (02:43:23):
I don't believe I don't believe it. And here's why,
her best friend that she has phone records of talking
to you for hours at a time, is some radical
comedy in Mexico. All right, she had just gotten Did
you ever read about Frank Sinatra and the other mob
you guys and whatever they did to her? No, I'm
not even gonna get into that. If that's true or not,

(02:43:45):
I don't know. But let me tell you something. If
that was true, they wont to watch she went nuts.
But apparently Sinatra took pictures. Okay, uh, so there's a
whole thing with that, But that kind of access her
mindset that now she's dealing with people that are really
interested in her best interest, and she started so this
whole thing happens and she thought she was gonna get

(02:44:06):
protection from the Kennedys, and actually, you know, she's being
treated in a horrible, horrible, inhuman way by these mafia guys.
And then you know she's expecting Bobby and the brother
and the old man to protect her, and they're like,
you know, screw. And that's when she starts to write
her tell All book about she's got the nuclear codes,

(02:44:29):
she knows what the and you know what.

Speaker 2 (02:44:31):
And it's one of those things that people don't realize.
If you know, you don't threaten something like that unless
you're ready to do it, because just when you start
talking about tell all.

Speaker 4 (02:44:41):
But see, here's the thing. I'm not a Marilyn Monroe fan.
She's a houe. I have no respect for none. She
was a total slut. I mean she was poor and
everything she was on everything about the Titanic. Marlene she was,
she was, she was a troubled woman, she was well,
she was a hooker. And that's why I'm looking at
was she was.

Speaker 2 (02:44:59):
She was a hooker.

Speaker 4 (02:45:00):
I mean she was porking her psych mean everyone everyone,
So I have no respect for. But here's where the
Bobby or or the Kennedis could keep their mouth shut,
and they used to tell her stuff. And she's going
to Mexico or she's calling a guy from Mexico that's
a known communist and he's reported right back to Moscow.

Speaker 2 (02:45:21):
Jesus.

Speaker 4 (02:45:22):
So it was the whole thing was a setup. So
you can't tell me that didn't happen. Uh, Frankly, it's
disgusting the way she was treated. But she you know,
these one of these things where you know what, you
gotta know who you are, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:45:38):
I want to say, and then maybe it might be wrong,
but I think the NICs and guys she ever hooked
up with Joe Demango.

Speaker 4 (02:45:42):
Hey man, Joe Demagio is a snap. I still have
his baseball card. Okay, all right, I got nothing bad
about Joe.

Speaker 2 (02:45:49):
Joe.

Speaker 4 (02:45:49):
I feel actually I feel sorry for Joe because she
just screwed him over.

Speaker 2 (02:45:52):
Yeah, but I think that even after the divorce, has
sounded like he still cared about what happened to her.

Speaker 4 (02:45:57):
You know, at that point, how can you care at
the stuff she was doing. It's like you gotta act
like that.

Speaker 2 (02:46:02):
I don't know, you forget about it that she was
on a path of self destruction, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:46:07):
Yeah, but it was she did it to herself.

Speaker 2 (02:46:09):
That's the thing.

Speaker 4 (02:46:10):
She did it to herself.

Speaker 2 (02:46:11):
You know, I have no pity.

Speaker 4 (02:46:13):
It's like having said, you know, I'm not gonna have
pity for a drug addict either. They do it to themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:46:18):
Let me tell you something. They they the other day
and this is the thing you supposed to that she
had attempted suicide twice before this last time. And so
it's like, and I'm thinking to myself because let's face it,
back then, not like now, like but you know, it's
a scandal like that broke out. Even if it was
like an un it was like an unknown secret. It

(02:46:41):
was like a known secret. Still if that never made
the public, like let's say, if she did what I've
told the tell a book or or report or something
that would have damaged it would have made a lot
of people look very bad. So I'm not like, you know,
look at look at look at the I mean, this
is back to the end.

Speaker 4 (02:46:56):
This is towards the end of the Golden Age. Hollywood
was just towards the end. They still trying to protect
their stars to the studios. And at that point the
studio gave up on her because like you're a houe.

Speaker 2 (02:47:07):
You can't.

Speaker 4 (02:47:08):
We can't do this, you know, honestly, I'm not trying
to be mean, but you're not going to be able
to make a housewife a house it's not it's not
our whole house. She's gonna do it hell she wants
because she's used to it, and she's going to be
able to sing whatever she wants because she thinks at
this point, I make my own money, I do what
I want. I'm a star and loves me and blah
blah blah.

Speaker 2 (02:47:27):
But even she dies, she's her star in Hollywood is fading. Well, yeah,
but that's because she did it to herself. But I'm
saying because remember and back then, especially when these studios
like they said, yeah, they would run interference for you,
like infidelities or weird stuff. I mean, look at it.

Speaker 4 (02:47:45):
Look, we don't even know how half of the golden
in Hollywood is probably gay.

Speaker 2 (02:47:50):
Yes, we never knew that. Yes, because I remember I
remember when Rock Hudson. Yeah for a minute, you know
how long was he like the leading man?

Speaker 4 (02:48:04):
Listen, I'm I'm only in my fifties and I remember
Rock Hootts and being Lemit. But you know what, I
look at you know, one of my favorite actors is,
you know, Cary Grant, and there excuse Cary Granted being again,
it's like, listen, this guy was he was impregnanty and
dying Carroll when he was in his eighties.

Speaker 2 (02:48:19):
I don't think in some cases. I think sometimes they
kind of sling that people and they're like, I don't
think so.

Speaker 4 (02:48:25):
And it was like, you know, it's like saying Elvis
was gay. That's the blasphemy.

Speaker 2 (02:48:28):
Yeah, come on, that's the King.

Speaker 4 (02:48:31):
So I don't think. I think, you know, it's like,
you know, for someone to say, you know, Cary Grant's
got that's completely bold and it's ridiculous. But the way
and manner in which they portrayed him in the early
forties because he had a roommate, you know, there was
another Hollywood guy and they're sitting there and you know
the old pictures, he's sitting there shirtless and he's punched
a puncher bag and his buddy's like playing street hockey

(02:48:53):
or something. I mean, today it looked like, oh man,
you guys, maybe yeah it was. It was like, but see,
I think what they tried it is I think I
think they tried to say, oh, no, no, no, Look
he was one. He was gay too, he was gad
And that's that's you know, that's the gay's doing that.
That's not what happened. That's because it looks like that's
you know, today, by our standards, you get two guys

(02:49:13):
that are roommates and one of them for what Yeah,
I mean, I get it, but back then it's different
saying and the truth of matters, I don't care, I
don't care, but it was.

Speaker 2 (02:49:26):
Never as a matter of fact, No, you never got
that vibe off of him that that was like never.
But that's the same thing with Marilyn Monroe. You never.
Marilyn Monroe is always going to be Marilyn Monroe. People
know she was sex and she was.

Speaker 4 (02:49:37):
She was. That's not the truth, the truth of matter.
And she was a broken woman. She had no she
had the morals of an alley cat. And you know
she did whatever too to take money or to make money.
And her biggest mistake was getting involved with political stuff.
I mean, that should be that should be a cautionary
tale for anyone in as.

Speaker 2 (02:49:54):
Long as Hollywood and actors and stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:49:57):
She still be alive, she'd still be alive.

Speaker 2 (02:50:00):
She probably do her memoirs or we would have heard.
But yeah, she uh, I think that that was that
like once you go there's like, man, you don't really
know what you're getting into.

Speaker 4 (02:50:10):
Well the second you know, here's the thing that makes
me laughing. This is just my take on it, Marley.
Any Hollywood actor that starts getting political, I put them
on the pay no mentioned list. I don't care they
they don't have any idea what reality is you think?
Barbara Streis said, knows what a gallon of gas costs.
I love me some babs, Love me some babs. Don't

(02:50:31):
get me wrong, love me some babs.

Speaker 2 (02:50:32):
But shut up.

Speaker 4 (02:50:33):
You don't know what you're talking about. Here's booney, you're over,
you're done. Shut up, you know what you're talking about.
When was the last time you bought a stickerspar pale?

Speaker 2 (02:50:42):
You don't give me this?

Speaker 4 (02:50:44):
And it's like, you know, Helen Hunt love her, but
shut up, you're done.

Speaker 2 (02:50:47):
You don't know what.

Speaker 4 (02:50:50):
And it's like, you know that this liberal mindset and
I'm not you know, I'm very obviously conservative, but the
liberal mindset disgust me because these people, you know, I'm
I'm a you know, other paycheck at paycheck I'm not
sitting on millions of dollars, you know, and I'm I'm
pretty well known in this this field, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:51:09):
See. But the thing is that people make the mistake
of thinking that because you're an actors celebrity, you have
this higher knowing.

Speaker 4 (02:51:18):
Well, mean, I googled, all right, I'm just I'm just
gonna want you to know this. I googled American Crypto
Paranormal Society, and you know what it said, what my
network is five million dollars plus.

Speaker 2 (02:51:32):
I know about it. Right, It's like, really, not do that?
The hell is it exactly like that?

Speaker 4 (02:51:37):
Don't sit there, I'll do Hey, the problem you want?

Speaker 2 (02:51:41):
Where is it?

Speaker 4 (02:51:41):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:51:41):
It's something you guys are from.

Speaker 4 (02:51:43):
It's it's it's it's like it's it was called less
than five million dollars and less than twenty employees.

Speaker 2 (02:51:49):
All right, well, it's fine. I know I pay me,
he'll take me the time. I don't get paid.

Speaker 4 (02:51:55):
Yeah, But that's that's a misconception because people google you
and they see this information, and I think, oh, what
the hell, screw him, he's what we's talking about. He
you know, he's he's living high in the hog. You know,
I'll show you my tax returns.

Speaker 2 (02:52:10):
I promise you a lot of times you know what's
out there. A lot of times is mistaken, and sometimes
it's totally misleading, like where are they getting this from?
And you think it'll people it's you.

Speaker 4 (02:52:22):
I'm not complaining, poor mouth. I do pretty well. I'm not,
you know, but I work hard. I don't take I
work seven days a week. I don't have a day off.
Christina works seven days a week. She doesn't have a
day off. We are constant. There's no time like when
we we get done with this interview, I've literally got
four or five hours worth of work to do on
the computer of research for stuff we're looking at. And

(02:52:45):
you know, it's right now, it's ten thirty five. I'm
not going to bed to probably four or five in
the morning, and then I'll wake up at ten or
eleven and it just starts over and tomorrow and I've
got a tour, so you know, it just it doesn't end.
It's constant.

Speaker 2 (02:52:59):
But I love it. I love what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (02:53:00):
I'm not complaining.

Speaker 2 (02:53:01):
But that's what you have to do.

Speaker 4 (02:53:03):
Exactly well to make this work. And it's not because
I'm making money every two seconds. It's because I'm I'm
trying to find all right, this is a fact, this
is a lie, this is a fact, this is a lot.
All right, how does this all work? And then you
got to put it together? And then again, I'm a
big guy with timelines.

Speaker 2 (02:53:18):
I love.

Speaker 4 (02:53:18):
That's how I discovered it. I put timelines on the board.
I put a month and like, there's one right now
on the timeline. You know, I've got the red string
going from here to here. You know, I'm one of
those guys. I'll be the first one to admit it.
But that's how you put things together because it takes
time to do that. And you know, but to say
I'm worth five million dollars, I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:53:37):
Come on, no, But a lot of the stuff, that's
what I'm saying. Some of the stuff that's out there on.

Speaker 4 (02:53:43):
The internet is like it's like, oh, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:53:46):
Even And I'll tell you what, especially when like when
you were talking about research, it'd be surprised some of
the stuff that you come across, like what is where
did they come up with this? You know, then you
try to find what's your source from? Asian is like
uh huh okay, But anyway, you have to come back
because you know what I would like to talk to

(02:54:08):
you about about AI.

Speaker 4 (02:54:09):
And I'm not gonna let me tell you a whole
lot to say about AI. Se you just tell me
when you want me.

Speaker 2 (02:54:16):
Yes, I'm going to send you some dates. I'm going
to send you some dates, Martie. I want to be
on your show. I miss you.

Speaker 4 (02:54:22):
You.

Speaker 2 (02:54:23):
I always have the most fun with you. Have you
ever come back down to Florida? The truth is, I
have a lot of animals. I don't care, we know.
But what I'm saying is when you have animals like
I like not talking. Besides dogs, I've.

Speaker 4 (02:54:34):
Got chickens and you got your guinea hands all of
those tis, I know.

Speaker 2 (02:54:37):
You can't traveling. It doesn't fit in there extended.

Speaker 4 (02:54:42):
I'm just let me throw this at you real quick.
And here's here's the point. I agree with you one
hundred and fifty percent. Christina and I we need to
go down to see the folks for the holidays.

Speaker 1 (02:54:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:54:52):
We have been driving with Nandor in the back seat
since he was a baby, and I just don't like
him in the back seat that long. So I told
my relative, look, you want to see this, you come
up and see this well that lasted for about the
make four seconds. Yeah, so what we're doing now, this.

Speaker 2 (02:55:06):
Is how if you decided to do halfway point.

Speaker 4 (02:55:08):
No, no, no, no, we're gonna one of us is
gonna stay home and then on one's gonna fly out
say hi to their parents for two days, yes, fly back,
and then the next one's gonna go right. So when
you say you have animals, I get it. This is
my football. I'm not leaving him.

Speaker 2 (02:55:23):
I know this is the to us. Like like even
when I go down to Miami, I'm not there twenty
four hours. I mean unless somebody my husband stays here
and then I shoot down to Miami because I still
have a lot of family down there. Oh yeah, but
at the end of the day, I've come and gone
in the one day, which is like puts like when
you come back. But I can do that. It's a
four hours, eight hours, No, Marlene, I totally. You know,

(02:55:46):
people say, well, don't can't you get people, and it's like,
you know, don't.

Speaker 4 (02:55:49):
Trust anyone to trust, Like I don't trust my I
don't trust my football with a daycare, a doggie care,
a neighbor. I want to know he's all right. I
don't want to know he's being But again, as I
said earlier two hours ago, overprotective debt, there's a stamp
on my there's a stamp on the folder. There's a
stamp on theandor's medical records, over partition product only see Christina,

(02:56:13):
she has a she has.

Speaker 2 (02:56:14):
A what was it that snells? I can't remember what,
but one of those little dogs and she's got on vacation.
One of the last times the dog got a kettle
kettle cough. And oh yeah, I'm not doing that. I'm
not gonna.

Speaker 4 (02:56:27):
Let my boy get molested or you know, beat up
by a pit bull, because then I got to go
around taking revenge. You know, I'm a vindictive man, So
I'm you know, I'm Scottish Irish. We have blood feuds.
We don't it's like, yeah, we don't play. Undred years later,
I'll catch you and the next get dance. You don't

(02:56:48):
mess my bed.

Speaker 2 (02:56:49):
Wait a minute, what'sn't the McCloud and the one the Highlander?

Speaker 4 (02:56:54):
Yeah, here's but here's the sad truth about the Highlanders,
my friend. This is what we look like, all right,
This Henry Cavell, you know the rebooting it right, Henry
Cavell is a new Highlander, so we don't they don't
look This is what they look.

Speaker 2 (02:57:11):
Like, folks.

Speaker 4 (02:57:12):
Is what we look like, all right? Not to pretty
boy that used to fly around the Red Cape.

Speaker 2 (02:57:18):
This is it.

Speaker 4 (02:57:19):
Sorry to disappoint, all right, Christian.

Speaker 2 (02:57:24):
He has been wonderful. I will be getting in touch
with you with some dates, Okay, I will.

Speaker 4 (02:57:27):
And then listen, I really want you to. I'm gonna
give you my contact infro from my buddy Pat about
his book, uh of Blood, because I'm telling you you're
gonna love it. You're gonna love it because it's just
right up your alley.

Speaker 2 (02:57:39):
Something on Amazon't.

Speaker 4 (02:57:43):
He's just basically gotten it done. And he sent me
a rough copy and the second I was reading and
I was thinking, I mean it was it was fortuitous
because the second I read it, I'm thinking Marlene would
love this, because this is the kind of thing, you know,
It's one of those things.

Speaker 2 (02:57:57):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (02:57:57):
And I'll give you his contact info. But he's he's,
like I said, he's one of my best friends.

Speaker 2 (02:58:02):
I love him.

Speaker 4 (02:58:02):
I take the ball for the world's a better place
because he's in it.

Speaker 2 (02:58:05):
Again.

Speaker 4 (02:58:05):
His names his pen name is uh Patrick Author, but Uh,
he's he's just one of the greatest guys and what
you'll love him. He's hilarious. There's he's one of the things.
Pat's kind of guy you can talk about anything with
it and he knows he's got a knowledge based on it.
He's just he's one of those guys and he does
his research and he's.

Speaker 2 (02:58:24):
Just his family.

Speaker 4 (02:58:25):
I you know, everyone in his family's just you know,
you know, you gotta get jealous. I like the family
that everything goes for because they're smart, you know, like
they understand math and like they can new calculus in
like seventh grade.

Speaker 2 (02:58:38):
You know, he's one of those. So I'll tell you what. Yeah,
especially if he doesn't come out like when he's ready
to promote his book. Yeah, absolutely, for sure, for sure
we'll get the word out there again. Christian. He has
been wonderful to speak to you. And don't want to
wish you the best of luck and I will be
sending you an email.

Speaker 4 (02:58:55):
Okay, Marlene, I'm just gonna say I got nothing but
big love for you. You know, when I first started
doing this, you were the first people that reached out to.

Speaker 2 (02:59:04):
I tell everybody people paranormal groups come and go or crypto.
Not everybody sticks around, not everybody that's You're one of
the people that's been around for a while, you know what.

Speaker 4 (02:59:13):
But that's and honestly, and I got nothing but love
for you because I know part of that's what you get.

Speaker 2 (02:59:17):
Into this and then when they figure out that this
this sometimes is boring or you need a lot of
work to kind of fade out.

Speaker 4 (02:59:25):
Well, you know again, Pauline, I've been blessed, you know,
like I said, being part of Haunted Ashville and being
Joshua Pee Warns one of my closest friends. I love him.
He's a brother. Literally, He's like a brother to me.
And uh, you know, when when I'm doing something, or
when I'm investigating something or I have a question, I
am so blessed because I can call him and say,
what do you think I should do? What's my next

(02:59:45):
you know, uh process here, and you know, and he
always gives me good advice. I've I've got Christina, my
my uh grace, love my life. I've been off and
on with her for thirty six years, thirty five years now,
and and I've just been blessed. And I've got good
people like you around me. Marlene and you know, and
that means that means more to me. You know, You're like,

(03:00:07):
I can see you like family and people because it's
not easy because it's rough. There's ebbs and flows. People
don't realize this gets to be a rough gig. Now
you have people coming after you. Uh you know, I've
I've had different organizations come after me kind of you know,
after my reputation things like that, and it's it's not easy.

(03:00:28):
But you know, all I can say is I've been blessed.
You know, I got I got Jesus on my side,
and I just do what he tells me to do.
And I'm just trying to help people. And that's that's
the bottom line. I just want to help people. I'm
not in it for the money I lose. I lose
eight thousand dollars a year doing.

Speaker 3 (03:00:45):
What I do.

Speaker 2 (03:00:45):
It's not the sensationalism. And I know what you mean,
and I think that sometimes Unfortunately a lot of people
look at some of I'm gonna go after the reality
shows that think all these people are involved in paranormal
They're all, like, like you said, for the money of sensationalism,
and none of that is real. It's like Nope, that's
not accurate. That's not accurate. It's not close. There's people

(03:01:05):
in there that do it for the right reasons, which
is what you just talked about.

Speaker 4 (03:01:08):
I'm telling you right now, if the History Channel had
any common sense, they would call you and me. We
put a team together and we handle everything, and it'd
be awesome until they wake up and realize the talent
they're overlooking.

Speaker 2 (03:01:20):
That's just the way it's gonna see. All right, Darling,
take care, God bless take care. Bye bye. Wow. Wow.
I'm gonna make my exit short because I know that
this is a long interview. But it was great to
talk to. We spa talked about everything. We went all

(03:01:40):
over the map. It was great to talk to Christian.
I've injured read him several times. He really knows the stuff.
He really knows whether it's the paranormal that krypted side
of things. And I'm not kidding you. Not everybody sticks
around for this stuff. What's this? If you go into
the paranormal to make money, you're gonna unless unless unless

(03:02:06):
you're willing to do stuff you shouldn't, or you've got
a big production company on you. It's like no that
some people end up making money somehow somewhere, Yes, but
it's in other words, that should be like a secondary gain.
You should do this because you really like the work,
because you're interested in it, because you really want the
real story, whatever the case might be, but that your

(03:02:30):
incentives should not be I need to sensationalizings this so
that I can make money from it. Yeah, it'll work
for some people some other time, but eventually it's kind
of disappointing. Plus you make the rest of us look bad.
How's that? Because I'll tell you, for all the stories
that you see on all these shows of and I'm

(03:02:52):
talking here, I'm not talking historical places. I'm talking about
residential people that I don't know. There's a bunch of
people that sometimes are experiencing paranormal occurrences or what How's
this that what they think are paranormal occurrences in their house?
All right? And they, like I said, they're they're very

(03:03:16):
worried about confidentiality, especially now in the age of work.
For all, you know, the next thing you know, you're
on TikTok or some YouTube without their permission. And even
if how's this, even if when you go there and
you investigate it, turns out out to be paranormal, It
could be something, and sometimes, as a matter of fact,
many times it turns out to be normal stuff. They're

(03:03:40):
going through a lot of mental anguish sometimes. And I
think that's what Christian was talking about as far as
helping people that even if you know, we're not talking
here like it's a paranormal resolution or that, just to
take the weight off of them, because, like I said,
a lot of people that don't talk about it to people,
or they're afraid you're going to be made fun of

(03:04:02):
or how's this even now with this thing of the
reality shows that's been around for twenty years or something
like that, there's like a backlash And I'm gonna explain why.
Where if maybe they say, look, I think I got
a ghost or I got something going on or whatever,

(03:04:23):
people might go, oh, what would you one of these
people when you're trying to be on a show or something,
or like you know, like heh, you're making this up
because you're trying.

Speaker 4 (03:04:29):
To like.

Speaker 2 (03:04:31):
Gain something from it, all right. So it's almost like
for all the times that the paranormal or the ghost
or that this or that has become more mainstream, the
backlash on it is that when you have somebody legit
might not want to come forward and say I'm not
really I don't want to be on any show or

(03:04:52):
I'm not looking for five minutes of fame. I think
I really got something going on here. I don't know how,
I don't know what this is, Okay, I need help, help, help.
And that's when you know you have groups that still
go in there that have been around for a while.
That's how's this that? Hey, I'm not I'm gonna help

(03:05:15):
you if I can help you any way I can,
whether to debunk it, which is you, Like I tell everybody,
that's the best outcome. You get debunked, this is anohing
paranormal here, okay? Or if there is, what can we
do about it? All right? What are your options? And
you know, move on with life because a lot of

(03:05:37):
these people that I'm telling you, the really legit paranormal cases,
contrary to what you see, they do not want to exposure.
They do not want anybody to know about it. They
are hoping that this is something that, like I said,
and sometimes some of them even opts to like just

(03:05:59):
move They they're so wigged out with this that even
if in some cases, even if you tell them there's
nothing paranormal, they still move out. If they can't, they
still move away, all right. But the intent, excuse me,
is always to help somebody, not because I'm gonna be
making money out of it. Yes, if there's money to
be made on the side, like I said, secondary, that's different.

(03:06:22):
But it's not because I'm going to need to lie
or make things up or tell somebody that there's something
supernatural in their house when there isn't, but because I
think I can make money off of it. Which, by
the way, you know that there's people out there that
do charge to do a cleansing on a house or
to do this or that for you because you've got
this or that going on. Okay, yes, that does happen.

(03:06:46):
That does happen out there, right, So yeah, it's very interesting,
the paranormal and the ahifai. I got to talk to
Christian about that. So anyway, guys, I gotta go out
there because I've got all my animals out there screaming
like lady, come put us away, come put us away,
and all my my baby's here underneath me. They've been really,

(03:07:07):
really good. So anyway, guys, come back. I've got a
lot of great guests lined up. Uh goes put 'em.
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