Midnight Mysteries | Interview Dr. Dennis W. Carroll | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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you are all wonderful. So how's everybody doing good? Everything
is good. It's here. It's like yep, whether it's nice,
nice and hot and deemi in North Florida. So there,

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I've done my weather report. You guys, there's an interesting
you know what. I will say it again. Sometimes dull
is not a bad thing. Dull. Sometimes an ordinary is
not a bad thing. I think it's underrated sometimes besides that,
it's uh. I was bringing down some some big trees.

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Like I said, I have very very old trees, and
I have an oak that I've gotten guesstimates from different
tree people that have come up the property to be
either three to five hundred years old, and most of
them have kind of agreed on it. So it's very old.
But I had to trim back some of the branches.
So I was really careful with that because some of
them are told me, you gotta be careful because you

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will shock the tree and it'll die. And it's like, uh,
this thing is huge. You can't the trunk is. As
a matter of fact, some of them have come on
here that these are people that you know work. There's
a lot of live oaks and water oaks and things
like that, and they've told me this has got to
be one of the biggest live oaks I've seen out
here as far as circumference of the trunk. So yeah,

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that was my adventure for the week. And it's incredible.
They've come a long way with the machinery that they
have now to do some of these tree cuttings, especially
when they have to go way up there. But anyway,
you know what, the branches that were overhanging where I
live at, I said, you know what, I'm not going
to sit in that part of the house. Just something
slips and so yeah, but no, it went great. I

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was real happy with it. And now I've got two
huge burn piles on my property that come the fall
and winter, I'll be lining them up. By then they
will be nice and dry and I'll be good to
go with that. So that and like I said, besides that,
um oh, everybody asks me I'll go Chicken World because
I haven't mentioned Chicken World. I went off and I

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ran to one of the feet supply plate. No, I
went to both of them, and like I said. I
Originally I was planning to come back with a couple,
and a couple turned into twelve of them. I turned
into twelve of them and like, thank god. I had
called one day and they said, oh, we're receiving them today,
will put them out tomorrow. I said, okay. When I

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go there, the place was mobbed. The part where the
chicks were with mobbed. It was like are they giving
them away? What is this? And yeah, there's nothing like
seeing what you want, Like this is like the Black
Friday of chicks. And anyway, I ended up with twelve.
But these I know are pullets. I mean that will
be become bullets because no more boys. I'm tired of

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babysitting boys after they get into a fight and message
other up. So yeah, I've got twelve of them. Let
me see if I can take a video or picture
and I'll show it to you guys. So far they're
doing really good. So yeah, let's see. That'll be a
lot of eggs good. But I don't know about where
you're at because o're here. Egs are still expensive. I mean,
I get a lot of eggs from my existing hands,

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even though I've been losing them because my hands usually,
to be honest with you, I usually lose them from
old age. They get sick. You know. I have my
hands that have lasted five, six, seven years. I lost
an easter egger that she must have been like six
or seven years. In other words, I got my money's worth.
I love my girls, but but I hadn't replaced them,

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so all my egg production had gone down. So I'll
keep you guys posted on these twelve But it's gonna
take at least four months, depending on the breed, before
they'll start laying eggs. Uh So let's see, let's see,
and then probably by then the egg price will have dropped.
But I don't care. I use a lot of eggs
for a lot of different things. But yeah, so that's

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the happenings in the Chicken Kingdom. So let's get on
to the good part. The good part is who is
the guest this week at Stories of the Supernatural, And
this gentleman is doctor Dennis Carroll. He is the founder
and director of the American Institute for Paranormal Research or AIPR.
He has forty well we just discussed before we started

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to roll. He has fifty years of experience in the
field of the paranormal. He has studied, research, and investigated
many aspects pertaining to the paranormal and the supernatural, with
many personal paranormal experiences. He is also a researcher and
investigator of the occult and the supernatural. Dennis is a
well known authority on folklore, legends, superstitions, cryptozoology and the occult.

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He is a supernaturalist, I Like That and paranormal consultant
who has advised people throughout the world. Dennis is a
published freelance writer slash author, has written several books and
it's currently at work on a series of adventure novels
based on supernatural events. He's an ordained minister and a photographer.
He's a well known UFO encrypted researcher as well as

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being a speaker and performs lectures and presentations on culture, folklore,
myths and legends. Help me welcome him. How are you
doing today? Dennis? Hello, goody, good, good, good good. Let
me tell you I was impressed when you told me
fifty years I was God. God, He's seen it all,
he's heard it all. It's like the good, the bad,

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and the ugly. He's probably run across some version of it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I've said that I've been in this a long time.
I hope I don't look that old. But anyway, it's
been a long, long haul, definitely. And you know when
I started out so many many years ago, and I
got a story about Miami, A good story I'll tell
you later.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yes, yes, if you want to go there, go right ahead. Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
I had a friend years ago that lived in Miami,
so we'll talk about that. Anyway. When I started out
years ago, when I first had my first experience, I
was probably around thirteen, fourteen years old. But I have
always been interested in supernatural aspects. I was a monster
kid from way back, and I loved the monster movies,
watched all those. I was big into that. I used

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to I remember my teachers getting on to me about
watching so many monster movies and doesn't that scare you know?
I said, no, I love it.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. Do you remember those Hammer films with Christopher Lee
has bloodshot eyes?

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Oh? Yeah, I love Hammer. And I liked the Universal,
the old Universal movies. Yeah. Absolutely. But when I had
my first experience, and that was I think about fourteen
fifteen something like that, it was in a church sitting
and I actually had a what you would call or
term as a demonology type visitation, demonological visit. Yeah, I

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actually saw some demons and they were actually praying for
this man and.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
That was possessed.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
And there he had been possessed evidently with the demons
and they were praying for me. They told everybody to
buy their heads. You know, I didn't keep watching, you know,
because I see what was going on.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
He is going with curious anyway. So yeah, while I
was watching, I've seen these three spirits I guess you
would call them spiritual entities leave this man's one other time.
And the only way I could best describe them would
be to say they were sort of soccer size, soccer
ball size of dirty balls of light. That's what there was,

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a dirty kind of a dark light. I know that
sounds weird to say, but there's sort of a dark light.
And years later I got I see I saw different
manifestations of these things, so that's just one way they
appear sometimes. But this was sort of the raw energy
kind of thing about them. And over the years, with
many investigations, believe me, I have investigated thousands of places

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with paranorl and what I call spiritual investigation. I don't
like to call it ghost ghost or ghost busting. I
like to call it spiritual research. And I got into
that a lot, with the demonological side of it to
understand what I had seen that day. It lit a
fire under me to understand and learn, and it it

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opened the door to me. You know, once upon a time,
you know, like with the monster movies and the horror
comics and all that stuff, I knew that wasn't real
to a certain extent, you know, I always knew that
back of my mind. But all of a sudden the
door opened and said, Hey, there is something other than
what you can see in this world. You know, there
is something else beyond that.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Let me ask you what demination was that. I'm gonna
stop you real quick because just it wass Miami. What
church was this or do you remember what denomination it was?

Speaker 2 (10:05):
Well, this was a church. It was a Evangelical church
in South Carolina where I live. I live in South Carolina.
Oh okay, okay, yeah, I'm in the foothills of South Carolina.
And I investigated all over the state of South Carolina,
North Carolina, Georgia, and into Florida. A little bit too.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
So okay, that's that's so interesting. Well, the reason why
I asked you is I said, I know, this can't
be Catholics, because the Catholic the exorcist. You know, it's
like they're not going to do it in the church.
So basically what I guess what I'm saying is that
it's most of the time most civilians, when I say
civilians are lay people never get to see what you saw.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, I I've dealt with the Catholic Church over the years. Yes,
they're very much like a bureaucracy.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
You know that.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh yes, of course they go through the stay ups
and stuff. And that's why a lot of times I
tell people, you know, when they come to me with
probably not an exorcist myself. I don't you know. I have.
I have participated in exorcisms right over the years, but
I don't do it myself. I think it's sort of
a calling that you've got to have. Yes, absolutely, But
when it comes to the Catholic Church, I can say

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they move very very slowly, and and to be honest
with you, a lot of people when they need help,
they want it right in. Then I can't blame on
them for that sure they will help immediately and they can't.
So that's why a lot of times I will direct
them to these evangelical churches because they're more open to
this kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Exactly, Like yeah, like they like that, Hey I don't
I'm next six months from hour, a year from now.
It's like, you know, I can't wait that long.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Right exactly. And when somebody needs help, you know, that's
that's what you want to do, is you want to
help them, you know, And that's That's been a lot
of the focus on what I've done over the years,
is helping people more than just investigating for the scientific
purposes out or whatever. That's interesting too, but you know,
there comes a point where you know, you have more

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people coming to you, so I need help. I need
you know, I need to find an answer to this.
That's what you you know, it gets, it goes past
being a social club and into something where you really
it becomes sort of like a ministry. I am a minister.
I am non denominational, okay that way, I'm not that
big as religious as I am more or less interested

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in the Kingdom of God itself and not the religion
religious part of it, but the interesting thing about all
this that the number one enemy of demons and stuff
like that, and you know, we won't get into the
theology of it tonight, but the number one focus of
them is to destroy it. They're very destructive, yes, and

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so you have to act quickly with these things. You
can't just wait, you know, months, weeks or whatever. And
you know, the interesting thing you think about, you know,
when you think about exorcisms, you think about, of course
the exorcists, the movies and all that. Yeah, and a
lot of that that's the scary part of it. As
a matter of fact, I talked with William Peter Bladdy
about that before he died, and he said something very

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interesting about that. He said he was not a believer
until he finished that book, and when he did, he
was a believer. And I found that very interesting, because
you can't go into seeing some of this stuff without
eventually having to believe what you're seeing does come sort
of from with a religious slant to it, you know,

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or a Christian or or whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I have.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I do a lot of consultations all over the world
with these things, and I have a I'm consulting with Hindus.
I've a consulted with the Muslim people of Islam, you know,
the Islam belief. With people from all different cultures. With this,
they still have the same problems with demon entities, whatever
name they want to give them.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, what they're seeking is corruption of the human soul.
That's what they want in one way or another. That's
what they're looking for it whatever you name them. I
know Middle Eastern cultures call them gin. You know, we
call them demons and age. I know they have different
names for them. But the aim, the purpose is always
corruption of the human soul. Besides the destruction part of

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the life. It's the sole part that they're looking for
as far as and sometimes it goes close. But I
agree with you. Sometimes when people see that Hollywood version,
let's have the Exorcist like stuff flying across the room,
sometimes it's not exactly like that.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's exactly why. You know, when I was a kid
going up, like I said, with all this stuff, I
knew it wasn't real. But it was very interesting to
finally up one day and realize, yes, monsters are real.
Because I've done a lot of money my own self
over the years. I've done some vumpire hunting, werewolf. Honey,
I've actually had a lot of vampire cases. Uh, these

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stuff is real, folks. It's not my you know, but
it's not the way Hollywood depicts it a lot. Okay,
let me ask you something. No, no, at won't drama.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
And it's a shock value. They got like ninety minutes
depending if it's a movie to shock you and make
you go oh so yeah, you know it's over the top.
And you know, a lot of people that that's the
way they see. They think that in the real world,
that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
And exorcism is not what you see in the movies.
It takes a team of people. You gotta have doctor Tallgist,
you gotta have yes, you gotta have a whole team.
And it takes. And listen to this, this is the
freaky part. It can take months sometimes, Yes, free people
from these things.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yes, it takes.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It takes, you know, even just go in for a
couple of hours and leave.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Most of the people know, a lot of people think
that it's like the movie, like a clap of thunder,
they sprinkle the holy water or whatever, the prayer that's
over and it's like no. Sometimes even like I said,
with a Catholic, you know, priest exorcism. People are surprised
when they see that the exorcist brief this person back
several times. And even the you know the case that

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William Peter Berlotti, you know research which was John Doe,
which was an exorcism that supposed that they did in
nineteen forty nine. I think that it was exercise for
like three months.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, he started again with a weaki board, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
The right, yes, exactly. But they had him, I believe
the priest that took him to the hospital. It took
almost like a couple of months to finish the exorcism,
uh thing. It wasn't like a one time deal.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
So a lot depends on how bad the infestation is,
how bad the position it goes. Sometimes it can be three,
it can be if you catch it at the my moment.
It can be very quick exoris I and it can
go very quickly. But if it's been there a while,
the longer they put it this way, the longer these
spiritual entities are entrenched, and you the stronger they become,

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the more the stronger the attachment becomes. Sure, and that's
what makes it so difficult to free people from these things,
let me tell you something freaky. They blow your mind.
I have seen evidence that even death sometimes will not
free you from possessions.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, they're not. You know, it's called something called nesting
or piggyback, the piggyback on your soul. And yeah, exactly
a lot of people think, well, if somebody's got an attachment,
you know, whether it's an out and out possession or
obsession or whatever. Like when you die, everybody goes their
own way, you know the person. No, they they're nested

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in you. They're nested sometimes they basically hold that soul captive.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
And that's why I want a lot of people that's
you know, interested in spiritual research and even grip cadology.
You know, I've been involved in that for many many
years as well. Matter of fact, my first full blown
case was a werewolf case.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Oh my god. Okay, well you know what I got.
I gotta ask you about this because there's nobody questions.
Let's go with that one. Let's go with that one.
What happened? How did how did you have that? That
werewolf case? What how did that come about?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Well? What it was he was a reported case of
werewolf sighting actually and I was probably I think I
was like fifteen years old when I went to investigate this,
and he was like maybe three or four miles from
where I lived actually, and I heard about this man
saying he saw a werewolf that night and he was
out in his backyard, supposedly around around some of the

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garbage cans back there, and so I said, well, I've
got to go talk to this guy. This is, you know,
a werewolf case. This is the first time I'd ever
actually went. I did some consulting before this, a couple
of cases of that which had to do with witchcraft.
But I said, let me go check this out. You know,
this is that close. I can walk over there and

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talk to this guy. And so I did you know,
starting out was being my first investigation. I hope I
did pretty good with it. But anyway, I investigated and
kind of came to the conclusion I think the werewolf
might have been born out of a bottle. I'm not
too sure about that. I couldn't find any tracks and

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that was it, you know. But uh, here's the interesting
thing where I live. I live in Anderson, South Carolina,
and we do have a werewolf here that has been seen.
It's very famous to the Werewolf of Anderson. But it
was before my time, many years before my time. But
this like made national news, okay in the day, and uh,

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and that's what I kind of hooked it up with.
In my mind. I knew about this, you know. I said, Oh,
I wonder if it's back, you know, so I got
to go check it out and see. But I think
it was. It was definitely sort of I think maybe
I don't gonna say a hallucination on that guy's part,
but I think it was definitely from another realm. But

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he wasn't interested with it, I don't think. But anyway,
that was an interesting case. But that kind of was
the beginning for me. And that's why I'm kind of
the jack of all trades. When I first went into
all this, I said, I want the whole pie, not
just one little piece of it. I won't investigate it
all because here's here's the thing about it. It's all fascinating,

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like I said. But also I think in some weird way,
most all of it is connected.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yes, I think so too. I think so too. I
just think that sometimes people get too focused on one
thing and then they've missed the other stuff. That's going
on around it. Do you think I'm sure you've heard
of people that have said, oh, I've cited what they
call now dog man, a dog man, which if you
look at it looks like a werewolf.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Do you think that you.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Are we talking the same thing and it's just a
different name for the same thing because people didn't know.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
I think, well, sometimes, and I've said, I've talked about
this before, and a lot of these so called dog
man's outings may be missed dedication. They may be seeing
something like werewolves. Let me say something about the werewolf.
The werewolf is absolutely one supernatural yes, okay, is brought
about by supernatural dark arts kind of thing. Okay. And

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there are different types of were wolves though, you know,
you know, it's a very interesting subject. Werewolves, just like
there are many different types of vampires. The werewolves can
be either something that somebody wants to turn into. They
can go up the dark witchcrafts Ladder to obtain this
demanding power to turn into shape shift into werewolves, or

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they can shape shift into vampires. They can shape shift
into cats or whatever the situation they want to do this,
much like the skin walkers, you hear about their wishes too.
These are all wishes, Okay, dark witches, I call them,
the different ensues between them and so called why wishes.
These are the dark witches. They're out to do evil

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and get revenge and do bad things to people. That's
their hobby, united say. Okay, they're full of darkness and
evil and that's what they do. And the more money
power they get, the more they're able to shape shift
into these things. Sure, but here's the interesting thing about
the werewolf. The more times you turn into the werewolf,

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it gets harder and harder for you to turn back
into the human form. You began to lose your humanity,
because it.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
Is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Eventually, one day you can come back from that. That's
just the way. That's the price you play for these things.
And when you lose your humanity, guess what else goes
with it? Your soul? Sure, the way that goes.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
So right, that's the quick pro quo of that salute,
you know, like, yeah, I want to become a wolf,
and I want to do this, and I want to
do that, and then one day that's it. Well, I'm
sure you've heard in Louisiana or among the French that
they have the loop Garou, which is like a werewolf
kind of version, and it's the same thing. You know that.
It's almost like a curse kind of thing, like you

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turn in the werewolf because you're cursed kind of deal it.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
It has a very distinct spiritual connection to it. Okay,
you do evil things, or you break some of the
precepts of church like lint or whatever the situation is,
you can be cursed with this. You don't think the
curse will run like one hundred days of the time
or something like that. Right that you're brought about. And
then here's the weird freaking part of it. You can

(23:21):
get rid of the curse, but I guess what passing
it on to somebody else?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yes, right, is one of those things that, yeah, you
gotta have no mercy on somebody else.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Like, And that's what you wind. Your parents always said,
don't take things from strangers because spells and incantations and
stuff can be passed on very quickly like that. And
when you take something, it's yours, you owning.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Yes, Like, the only way you're going to get rid
of it or to break it is pass it on.
In some cases, there's no such thing as breaking and
I'm sure you've heard in some cases even what they
call family curses, which it's the family in and of itself.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Let's count of the same part of the werewolf thing.
I call this the wolf. I call him the sort
of the wolf man type thing. They're not one hundred
percent were wolves, you know. The werewolf has given itself
over the darkness and evil, whatever name you want to
give it is completely lost into the darkness. It is.
Put it this way, dog man, if you run into him,

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he may cut you a brake and you may live
to tell about it. But if you cross pass with
a true werewolf, you're not gonna You're not going to
come out of that. Okay, he's gonna. He is a
psychological apex killer. He will not stop when he gets
your scent. He will fire in you. No matter where
in the world you might try, He's gonna come after you.

(24:41):
It's almost like a serial killer. He locks in on you.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
I've read if people having encounters with dog men who
say that somehow or other, the dogs maybe in that
case that follows them or find somewhere they're at or
something like that.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Well, there are I think some dog men that are
conjured up I think they have a darkness connected with
them as well, because you're looking at dark witchcraft. Again,
you can either change just the way it goes. You
can either shape shift or you can call something out
of the darkness what you want to do. Yeah, oh yeah,
there's a lot of that goes on. And these people

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who are involved in a lot of these you know,
cults and satanic rituals and all this. And there are
vampire cults, there are satanic cults, there are witchcraft colts.
They are they may goose down different avenues, but they
all come down the same highway, and then basically what
they're all connected to. They're out to do bad things.

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But the interesting thing about all this shape shifting and
all this stuff and being the witch. To be able
to do this, you give up your humanity. But now
if it's a curse and you have no control over that,
that's a different story altogether. See, yes, there's a choice.
You either have a choice to embrace this darkness or

(26:03):
if you don't, if you're like bitting, or you're cursed
by the werewolf, or maybe somebody back down your line
made a deal to do this, or whatever the situation is,
and you're you're not responsible for it. That's the bad
situation to be in. Now, let me tell you something
about that. They did not usually turn into full blown werewolves. Okay,
most of your real werewolves run on all fours. They

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look like monster, horrible looking, monstrous wolves. They can stand
up and walk like men when they want to. Okay,
they gonna do that too. But now a wolf man
or a wolf woman is the case. Maybe a wolf
person doesn't turn one hundred percent into the wolf. There's
a little bit of humanity left in them, more so

(26:46):
than the full blown werewolf. That's the big difference between them.
That's the curse of the werewolf and the werewolf itself
are two completely different things. But these people I feel
sorrid for them because they have no you know, record
singing the stuff. It's part of the DNA actually to
changing this. But these curses, like any other curse, any

(27:09):
kind of supernatural thing like that, can be broken. But
it takes a very instrumentally ambiguous and very hard effort
on your part to break these kind of things. Okay,
it takes a tremendous amount of faith anyway, And I
tell people a lot of this, you know, when I'm
counseling faith over fear. That's what you gotta look at. Okay,

(27:33):
faith counsels out a lot of this stuff if you
have true faith. Very much, Mike, I know you're really
might be familiar with the vampire movie. You know about
the ball to see the vampire next door, and you
know it goes after him with the cross, and the
vampire laughs at him when the whole cross up, says,
you've got to have faith to use.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
That exactly like it doesn't really matter because this was
you know that movie that was that was Fright Night
and I don't even remember the original one. They go
and the boys they enlist the help of the character
he's playing. He's like a make believe vampire killer. But
all he does he has a show, you know, so

(28:15):
they go to him thinking he's a real vampire hunter.
Like you said, When he goes over there with a cross,
the vampire is like, you must have faith, like otherwise
it's you know, it doesn't work because you know in
all these vampire movies, you know, you show the cross
of the vampire and that's it. He's toast. But I
believe exactly that that unless you believe what you're holding

(28:38):
it's well.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
The vampires reacting not to the cross itself, but the
face behind that exactly. Yes, and they feel that I
have been in situations where I have been attacked by
the demons, and I mean physically attacked. And what happened
does that was? What was his number one weapon I
had to use against him was faith, Faith over than fear.

(29:02):
Fear is a twol that they use against you. It's
a weapon that they can use against you. And you can't.
You can't feed that beast, got you know, you gotta
cut that ammunition off. Yeah, because you know when I
was in law enforcement, I'm retired of the law enforcement.
We used to have a studying in the law enforcement.
It's bad enough for somebody to shoot at you, it's

(29:22):
even worse when you gave them the bullets. Yes, you
don't want to give these guys ammunition.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yes, yes, But I'm gonna say something and I don't
since you've been around like me for a while, you
kind of know, I want to say, like up to
the nineteen seventies, all these monster movies will go with
the monster movies. You know, where you had the evil,
the holy object of God prevailed, you know at the end,
the good guy with the cross or the holy prevailed.

(29:50):
Something happened after the nineteen seventies that all the movies
and shows all of a sudden it was like evil
had the last word, or it wasn't really vanquished.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Kind.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
So I think a lot of people in their mind
they kind of don't realize just how powerful good or
God is because all these movies, I want to say,
from the last what forty years, they kind of portray
that evil is so omnipotent that you're lucky, even if
you're you're a good person or faithful, that you might

(30:23):
not get away, you know, you might get it. And
I think that shifted, There was some shift. And the
reason why I reference Hollywood is that I think a
lot of belief system nowadays are driven by what people
see in movies, in programs like The Exorcists and all
these other movies, which is why I think it's scared.
I don't know if you remember when the Exorcists came out,
that they had people running through churches. Churches that have

(30:45):
been empty got full because everybody was scared about the
possession thing. And I think so many people reacted that
way because for lack of a better word, we were innocent.
You know, everybody saw that it was such a realistic
movie that it was like, okay, this is not the
vampire coming to in the castle. This was like, my God,

(31:07):
but that shouldn't damning your soul.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
It was like what a lot of times, Hollywood I
think you know, it's kind of giving us a propaganda thing. Okay,
oh yeah, it's a doctrination to a certain extent. I
like to go back to folklore. That's what I said.
That's my repertoire. I love folklore. It gives you basic
clues to point to the things, the truths that you

(31:29):
need to see. On some of this stuff, I don't
go by Hollywood so much. Although Hollywood borrows a lot
from folklore. Okay, that's what their researchers do, and they
have research, but like we said, they put a spin
on it all the times. And it's been my experience
that most of the time good will trying for evil.
You just got to get there. It's the journey that

(31:51):
you got to go on. But these a lot of
these items that we're talking about, like holy waters, silver
whatever thing, they've got to be blessed. They're just atoms unlist.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
They're salt iron. All these things have.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Not the power of God, then they can operate.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Yeah, yes, yes, people don't realize that the items in
and of themselves salt iron, silver, all of these things
have to be blessed or cleansed in other words, besides
the blessing, so that they're that they can be used.
That's why you la that you had the vampire killers kit.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
It was I that if the demons don't like it,
I like it.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
So, okay, here you are. You're growing up, did you you?
You know, like you said, you went on this werewolf
case and you're thinking, okay, this guy, you know, he
saw something and maybe it was a bear, but whatever
he was drinking turned it into a werewolf. What happened?
When was the first time that you went in some
case that you were like, wow, no, this is for real.

(33:02):
What happened?

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well? I think it was probably it was one of
probably demonological cases, one of the very first ones that
I went on where I actually par dissipated in a exorcism,
and it was very, very freaking thing to see. And
here's something you got to understand about an exorcism. Like
I said, it takes teamwork. But Also, you got to

(33:26):
go into it very carefully because it can be very
dangerous for people who are even just there, you know,
because these demonic forces can jump from person to person.
Oh yeah, I've seen that happen. As a matter of fact,
I was in these circles, standing there, watching and actually

(33:47):
trying to cast the demons out of this this young woman,
and the spirit jumped into a guy standing next to me.
Oh boy, fell out, and I'm going, yeah, it could
have been me, you know. But here's the thing about it.
If you're there actually praying and your intentions are good,

(34:07):
and I don't think isn't his intentions where he didn't
really believe a lot of the stuff. Man, his intention
was definitely off center from what it should have been.
My intention was good. I was there, I was praying,
and when I was supposed to be trying to believe
with the rest of these people. This guy didn't. That's
why I kicked him out. You know. It just doesn't.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, he was the weekly Oh yeah, I've had I've.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Had people ask me over the years and said not
to Carol and I be walking down the street and bam,
I get possessed. No, it doesn't happen. You've got to
open doors for this position. Like that boy, we talked
about whether weasi board. You got to do certain things
that open the doors in your life, whether it's whether
you misuse drugs or alcohol, or pornography or gambling or

(34:51):
whatever the addiction may be. They can use these doorways
to get into your life, get behind this stuff and
really threw you up. That's what they work for. That's
their goal.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, And I think that when you would, you describe
it so accurate, and I think contrary to what people think,
it's very insidious. It's very slow, you know, like you said,
once you open that door, once you crack the door
open a little bit, then it progresses little by little
by little by little.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
They're opportunists, that's what they are. They're waiting for that
opportunity and take advantage other. And when that happened to
that guy standing next to me, I said, you know,
it's just like you know, hey, this is dangerous here,
you know, I mean, yeah, all of a sudden, But
that's when I said, no, I got to get control
of that. I can't let, you know, let the fear
get the mand have to have the faith. The faith

(35:42):
is what counsels out fear. Fear is the enemy of faith,
but faith is also the enemy of fear. It goes
both ways. And uh and I saw, I said to myself, Oh,
I can't fall in for that, you know. And I
think that's what safeguarded me in that situation.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And you never know, maybe something there was there might
have been something else going on in his life you
didn't know about. That kind of made them also weak link.
You never know, maybe he had besides Donald, I belief.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
The stuff they took place during that exorcism is what
blew my mind. I mean this this person was crawling
around on the floor like a snake and doing the
tongue out like a snake and coughing up razor bleeds.
What And while I watched, the facial characteristics began to
change on this person and the and the eyes went dark.

(36:31):
You know, it is a transformation. That is it is
scary to look at to see work fear and not
let them use that fear against you because a lot
of this stuff. You gotta understand this when it comes
to demons, and most any Catholic priests, they would back
me up what I'm about to say. Most of this
stuff is theoretics to scare you and to foster that fear,

(36:55):
because that fear is negativity, and that's what these things
feed off. That's what fuels and negativity. And the more
negative stuff you've produced, the more they love it and
the stronger they can become. And you got to cut
that off and not let them do it.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
I remember I was reading one time when an article
and they interviewed this exorcist, but he was out of Italy,
he was a Catholic, he was appreciat and they were asking, well,
don't you ever get like and he goes, no, he
goes all that that growling or all that weird, he goes,
that's window dressing. Exactly what you just said. This is
just done to scare you. Like that's like you don't
don't pay attention to that. All right, there's something else

(37:33):
that they just want to detour you. But that doesn't
mean anything. But let's face it, most people, though, you
do wig out. If you see what happened to this
young lady that they were exercising, did it did it work?

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Well? The demons did come out of her that night
and she was free that night. She was delivered from
then but it took all night. It was you know,
that was a short one to some. But she I
think what helped.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Her a lot.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
She came out of the church, you know, I mean
she was used to church and all that stuff, and
I think her faith helped her help deliver her from that.
So that's why I think it went so, you know,
pretty fast considering you know, how long, how long it took.
But sometimes when you run into people in these situations,

(38:26):
they don't believe, they don't the belief system is not
very strong. That gives the demon more power over them. Yes,
in any ways, and that's that's what's the day. I'm
not dangerous about these things. And you know how that's
what I tell people, you know, I caution them, you know,
it's not to be afraid. Don't be fearful, but be cautious,
be smart, you know, don't be done and be smart

(38:48):
and and don't get into these situations. Don't play around
with the wizy boards and do things like that. You
don't need to be doing because you don't know what
you're really playing around with. When you contact somebody on
the other side, who do you know who you're really
talking to?

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oh no, And it's like, yeah, no, no, that's like
a that's a big question mark M.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Absolutely actually, because again open the door, that's fear shaled
away and once you look at you don't know what's
coming to and you don't have a whole lot of
control over it when you do.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
And I think people sometimes think that that they can't
be manipulated, or that something evil can't disguise itself as
a form of manipulation. It's like, yes, of course they can.
They can lie. That's what it's all about. They can
lie and disguise themselves. And you hear this a lot
of times, like you said, people using the Ouiji board,
that they say at the beginning, they'll communicate with what

(39:43):
they think is either a child or somebody that or
a spirit that's agreeable, and then as time goes forward,
it becomes different, it becomes darker. And it's like and
I've heard also, and you tell me what you think, Dennis,
about people that have gone to either a cult ceremon
they're even weiji boards and they're not participating. They think
that because they're standing over there in the corner watching

(40:05):
that nothing can happen to them. Yeah, you were there
the room and that's all it takes.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
God can send angels into your life, you know, and
they can be human angels sometimes not just celestial angels too.
But on the flip side, Satan can send people into
your life, I guess, and they can be either demons
or humans. Okay, but there are traps that can be
set for us, and we have to be very careful

(40:34):
about that. But if we safeguard ourselves and keep more
positive in the light in this than there is darkness,
we've got a bumper there. You know, they will keep
us negative stuff back and that's what we need to
concentrate on a lot. But we have to be very
careful and we should not put ourselves into these situations

(40:55):
where even if we're just watching the visual, whether it
be on the same age with the Lady Gaga, whatever
the situation is, whatever you think, if you're even just
watching it, guess what, you're a participant them.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
I think a lot of people miss that point. That, Yeah,
a lot of people miss that point. They think, oh,
I wasn't doing anything, I was just watching. I was
over there watching, and it's like, no, you are a participant.
I'm glad you clarified that. I think a lot of
people they don't want to look at it that way,
especially when something attaches to them without them realizing that

(41:32):
just because they were there, especially if if we're talking
something dark, if we're talking some type of dark uh,
either whether it's an invocation or ritual or even just
wigi boards. But some people, you know, it's like, no,
I don't want the regular dead person. I want to
summon something on the wigi board that's gonna scare me.
And then they get more than what they ask for.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
In some cases, you know, something, the most addictive thing
in this universe, it's not okay, it's not heroine, it's
not sending all, it's not any it's not alcohol. The
most addictive thing in this universe is power. Oh yeah,
that's an understand the more you want, and that's what
these things are operating on. They're getting power in your life.

(42:14):
They're taking control over the aspects of you. They're taking you.
You don't often said that being posess. It's just like
somebody else driving your car and you're in the back seat. Yep,
I agree, Yeah, you don't want to get in that position,
and you don't.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Know that when they they're taking the keys from you.
All of a sudden, you find yourself in the back seat.
It's like, what now that I end up here? Yeah, yes,
they don't take you.

Speaker 2 (42:38):
They want to do it, not you them.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Let me ask, did you ever have Oh yeah, everybody
thinks it's like all of a sudden, you know, Like
I said, it's something dramatic and it's things kind of
start unraveling little by little. I've heard of people that
sometimes the first sign that they have that's something that
also having very bad consecutive nightmares, you know, like stuff
like that, because started slowly as something like that, and

(43:01):
then it.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Just you know, uh, you know, all this is geared
for power, is to raise their gon to power. That's
what all. Matter of fact, not long ago, they had
a public black mass in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Did you mean Atlanta? In Atlanta? I need? I mean
I've heard a one about the stuff in Detroit and Michigan.
I didn't know there was in Atlanta. Wow. Yeah, Wow.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
They're getting young people to do this, They're getting involved
in this stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Let me tell you something. I look at that. It's
like you know what they.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Were advertising, come come, you know, come with us to
now we're going to open the spiritual doorways. You know,
I mean this is not good stuff.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
I mean it is not And this is the thing
that I tell people. And by the way I'm saying
this people not from a like a religious I've been
a paranormal researchers also for many, many years, so I've
seen a lot of stuff that is like, Okay, let's
say you have somebody attends let's say that mass that

(44:03):
they had in Atlanta, which is what twenty twenty five,
ten years basically, they extended invitation. And I'm not talking
literally the human I'm talking about whatever was conjured or
whatever was given the mass to you attended, you took
up the invitation, or you extended an invitation. I'm sorry,
ten years, fifteen years from now, twenty years from now,

(44:26):
that invitation will be used and something may come for you.
Even if you went to Atlanta back in twenty twenty five,
maybe in twenty fifty, you were there, and whatever was
there will come for you and you'll think what you
might not even remember it, all right, And that's one

(44:46):
of the problems with people going to play especially And
I know that there's how how's this. I know that
there's people that are go there that are hardcore Satanists
or they're into dark and then there's the curiosity seekers,
you know, the ones that just go because oh oh
this is weird, or you're young and you know whatever,
you just go there more not because you're a Satanist

(45:06):
or an occultist, and then you might even forget you
when there's like, oh, there's nothing okay. The repercussions from
going to some of these events, well.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
I saw, you know, I saw something a long ago
Saturday Night Live, I think fiftieth Antiarisary, but Lady Go
was on there and they were doing a skit, you know,
supposed supposed to be entertainment. They skit where they were
like calling up demons and they were actually using real
demonic names.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
There. You'll go, ho, this is not right.

Speaker 2 (45:36):
I don't care what you say. That's not entertainment, that's ritual.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Now, yeah, exactly, people, how's this?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
You could say names I recognize the names of me,
and I said, oh, that's hardcore stuff. That's not you know,
just joking around, you know, doing stuff. And why do
they need to do that because they are definitely involved
somehow or nother they're in Yeah, the I.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
Guess people in general don't understand the power of the
spoken word.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
And let me tell you this, many years ago, when
I was young, I actually attended the Black Mass. Okay, okay,
just to see what was going on. Okay, okay. I
always do this stuff from the scholarly bone to view.
I was never a practitioner of it, and I just
wanted to see what happened. And I didn't. I didn't
stay for the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Okay, I've been to place with that la looking doing
so go ahead, go ahead, and we're all there. We
all do that at one point. Ahead.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
It was incredibly hard to go through a little bit
I did. But let me say something about this. Okay,
they do horrible things, this stuff. I mean, they're drinking,
they're drinking in there, actually eating human flesh.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Okay, yeah, cannibalism.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
It's nothing. They're they're not just playing around. You know
a lot of people think, oh, they just playing around
the entertainment. They don't. They just make doing that to
make more money. No, no, no, that comes to a certain
point where this stuff is deadly, deadly serious for them. Okay,
they're shining dark contracts for the power and the money
and the glory and all the stuff that they want.

(47:14):
They're signing their souls away for this stuff. And here's
what you got to do. It's just like being a
disciple of Christ and Andy. The more converts you get,
you know, the more people you draw into your circle,
theer your cone of power extends, the more demonic power

(47:36):
you are given, the more control you are given, not
over just your life, with other people's lives as well. Yes,
that's what this stuff is all about. Control. Like I
said at the beginning, that is the most addictive thing
in this universe. Once that that power, that dark power,
gets a whole of you, it wraps chains around your

(47:57):
soul and will pull you so far into the darkness.
My friends, you don't come back.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
So what happened when you went to that? When you
went to the Black Mouse? Did you how's this? Did
you sneak in or did you just or how did
you get in there? Or somebody gave you?

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Actually on else's place that was supposed to be there,
and he had just he had been arrested. And I
love it, this other man he stuck me in. I
hadn't okay, I was wearing a scarlet robe and all
this junk and okay, down over my face. And when
you are initiated into the Satanic temple, they rebaptize you, okay,

(48:41):
and they give you a new name, right, the same
that Satan moves you, guy, I supposedly, And that was
the one thing that you got. When they call ask
you your name, you got to say this name. I forget.
I think it was melik Oar or something like that.
Sounds like I heard of the mommy name. They said
you got to answer that. You know you're gonna answer
with that, And that was the only thing I did.

(49:03):
I answered with that. But I got to the point
where they were getting ready to sacrifice something, and and
what happens when they do that when they get to
a certain point. And there was like a young girl
laying on the table here, right, and they had candles
all around here. And you know, this is nothing fun

(49:23):
at all about. But what happens with these young children.
They defile them. They rape them, yes, yes, and they
did you know they they discombobulate them. Yes, say that's
a nice word. I guess. Anyway, they do this. It's
part of the ceremony and offering to Satan. Okay. Once
that's done, then supposedly if they will sacrifice that person, yes,

(49:46):
cutting their throat, drinking their blood, and then eating their flesh.
It is a unholy sacrament. Basically, that's what it is,
as you know, the sacrament the Catholic Church does, but
it's just reverse and doing doing it was real blood
and flesh and not just you know.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yes, yes, and they yeah, it's like like a human altar.
But at some point they.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Well, the guy I told the guy, I already said,
I'm almost you know, get out when it before they
ever started, because when they start doing that, they all
just rube and have sex with each other, you know, orges.
I said, I'm getting getting out of here before they
do that. Okay, yeah, this is you know, he told me,
when you know, I will give you the signal you

(50:29):
get that, you get the heck out of dodge, and
which I did, so I didn't get to see the
whole thing, but I you know, pretty well over the
years learn what they do. You know.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah, they said that it's sex magic, and yeah, it's
the orgies, which is the filement really in and of
itself besides the drinking of the blood. And the people
don't realize though, is the real.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Magic different Oh yeah, sex magic, so on and so on,
elemental magic. The list goes on and on and what
they utilize. It is a long and drawn out kind
of a process. But it's like I say, it involves
even ritualistic murder, it involves cannibalism. List, it's just horrible,

(51:16):
dark things that they do to acquire the power. Because
the more torture, the more pain, the more trauma, the more.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
There you go, right there, right The people don't realize
they think, oh, the ones that are sacrificing the human
alters know they don't want willing victims. They don't want
the person that's in. They want the person that's terrorized.
This is why you will have people because the.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Especially young blood. It all comes down, of.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Course, of course, of course, whatever it is, even if
they sacrifice an animal, even that's why they even torture
animals and or humans.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Because what the Bible says, the blood is alife. Yes,
blood is a life. And let me tell you something else.
And I think this is spiritual. Now, okay, I'm not
talking to you and a wives and scientific stuff here.
I'm talking spiritual. I think the soul is in the blood.
Noon I think the soul is part of the blood,

(52:13):
think of itself spiritually, and I think that's what they're
tasting to. That's why they like the fear and that
adrenaline or whatever you know, they get started. They love
it because it's sort of it's sort of like I say,
blood on Saraoh, it's for him, you know, it's just
sort of heidens the sensation. Blood is enough for them,

(52:33):
and that's where all this blood, sacrifice and all this
other stuff comes into play. But when it has infused
with fear and young blood infused, they love that. That's
very highly addicted to them. Not only listen to them,
not only because it's part of the ceremony, but also
supposedly it gives them life and youth as well.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yes, well you hear now a lot of uh, some
of these very wealthy people that take they inject you know,
blood in their you know, under their skinner, and fate
for facials and a bunch of other stuff, and it's like, oh,
you got to be kidding, man, Come.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
On, Well, they're playing I call it the god game.
They want to be. They're looking for immortality and all
like that old country stone looking for love and all
the wrong buddies. They're looking for immortality in all the
wrong places.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
And look, if you got all the money in the world,
you got all the fame and the glory and the power,
and you got to die and leave it. It's not fun.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
But they don't want to. Sometimes I think.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Of whether or not they use They may use robotics,
they may use cloning, they may use some different things
to achieve that immortality. But whatever it takes is what
they're going to do.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
But you know, and I don't know if you heard
this was a recent story that came out that they
were thinking of cloning bodies use his body parts. So
in other words, like let's say that they would like
basically clone the body, not like a section, not like
an organ, and then basically take on the part of
the brain that gives you personality. Just leave the part

(54:15):
of the brain that basically you're breathing and the body functions.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
The spare tire, you know, okay, but you so if
you've got your own clones, you can live forever that way.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Well, you know what, from what you From what I hear,
even cloning of animals has not gone good like another
Nothing is as good as the original clones. They don't
live as long. They just it's not They're just not
the original things. And I know that the idea behind.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Is okay, and you you hit on a good pointing.
I have seen that the momic trying to recreate things,
and they can't. Only the creator can create. They can
just manipulate. What's all right, They're there and I have
seen them. I actually try to look like children. Let
me tell you a quick story, yes, a case one
day where there was an apartment complex not far from

(55:10):
where I live. They started reporting to me that they
were having all kinds of weird stuff going on out there. Okay, okay,
and they said, well, we've got shadow people, We've got
you know, all kinds of demonic activity going on. I thought, well,
what the heck everybody in this apartment you know, complex,
not just one apartment, you know. I said, something's going
on with this, you know. So I got there looking around,
and back behind these apartments was an old cemetery and

(55:37):
I went out in the cemetery. I got a bad
feeling about that, you know, And I went out in
the cemetery and sure enough, I found black candles out there.
Somebody can go and open the doorway in that symetery
and didn't close it. Yeah, that's exactly what was going
on in that apartment complex. And when I went out
there and closed that store spiritually and then went back

(55:59):
and they cleansing on the whole apartment and that ended
the whole problem up there. But that's what was going on.
So you got to always look at these things. It's
maybe having a key, or maybe more than one key.
Sometimes these cases will have more than one key, But
that's it. That's where you're being in. The detective light
comes in there. You got to solve that mystery to

(56:20):
understand what's really going on there. And you know a
lot of times people you know, I had a woman
called me one day and she said I bought a
house the other day and said, I bought a house
and I went up in upstairs. There's one room compainted
and painted completely black. Oh, I said, whoa that don't

(56:40):
tell She said, even the windows are painted black. Every
I said, well, I don't know why. I know they
would pull a carpet up in this room and tell
me what you find. Once you called me back, you know,
how did you know there was someone that I said,
I didn't, but I was just guessing what is it?
She said, there's a big red pentagram. So there were

(57:05):
weird stuff going on in that house. And that was
the reason why people somebody else and wherever you open
the doorways if you don't close them, and that there
bores they do with all of us, all of us
electronic wiki bowls. Okay, yeah, that's what it is. And
when you open these doorways and you don't close the bag,

(57:26):
you ask trouble.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
So you know what there was one time about there's that.
You know that there's people in real estate that these
exactly what they do. They work very selectively with what
they call stigmatized properties. Like like when you just described,
you know, maybe this property has been a rental. The
owner doesn't realize that maybe one of their last or

(57:51):
whatever people that were living there were practicing. So all
of a sudden they go and they find a bedroom,
you know, or a room that you could tell black.
You know, they may they even sometimes find other stuff
that's been left behind. And you know, in some states,
sellers have to disclose certain things about a property, and

(58:12):
there's these real estate agents that that's what they do,
is they go in there and basically kind of fix
on a spiritual level. When properties have been stigmatized this way.
Oh no, let me tell you something. I'd be like,
I don't care what house it is, what the price is.
I walk in there and I see something like that.
Or if the real estate agent says, look where we
do see the price, but this, it'd be like, don't

(58:34):
let's let's just stop right here and the conversation even
if you gave it to me, I don't want it. Thanks, bye,
I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, it's like maybe you know six or seven people
have been killed in the basement.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I don't think I want Yeah, Well that's that's you know,
the You know, there are laws like if murders or
crimes are committed on certain properties on real estate, they're
forced by different state laws to disclose it. You know,
Like you just pointed out, sometimes things happen that law
enforcement is never aware of. People are done away with,
like you said, of the basement, and nobody's there, it

(59:11):
doesn't know. In other words, somebody it's killed for whatever reason,
whether it's having to do with a ritual or not.
Just bad things were happening there.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
Oh yeah, it leaves it leaves a spiritual stain.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
I've actually been called in to clean certain murder scenes. Murders.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Oh, let's hear that. Let's hear that, what happened?

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Yeah, well, sometimes you know, it goes pretty well. I've
actually had, you know, using the blessed salt and stuff
like that knocked out of my hand one time across
the room. They don't want you to do some some
things don't want you.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
To do that, I bet.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
No matter what you do, and no matter what the cleansing,
most of the time that that stain remains, although it
may not you know, heard of bother anybody, and you
know a lot of people may not even sense that
it's still there. To a certain extent, it's like a memory.
It's like the earth itself retains a memory of what
is happened, although the memory fades in time. I have

(01:00:17):
seen places that were so haunted or so demonically infested
that they would be struck by lightning and burnt down.
It's almost as if God couldn't let them exist there anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Yeah, like something else that you know, Yeah, you know
what I think. Also, it also has to do with
let's say, let's say you get a house like that,
something dark or murders or whatever, and it's cleansed. I
think a lot has to depend on who moves in there.
If you've got like a good family that like you said,
but if you get anybody that moves in there who's

(01:00:53):
spiritually has problems or maybe a dark personality, I think
that kind of revives it and then it comes back,
you know, like it doesn't fade away and it's like, oh, hey,
this is one of my kind.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
I know she do something. You can do something. Sometimes
you reactivate something, like you know, there may be lying dormant.
If it's not completely gonne eradicated, it lies dormant. A
lot of paranormal activity does that. It can lie dormant
for a long time until something stirs it up with
something's curves that makes it come back. I'll tell you
a quick story about the Miami story I was gonna

(01:01:28):
tell you about since we're talking about this. Yes, this
was many many years ago. Like I said, I was
a kid and I was about fifteen sixteen years old,
and I was beginning to learn how to interview people,
you know, and to get information out of it. And
there was this lady that my grandmother that came from Miami,
and her name was her name was Edith Young, and

(01:01:50):
we called her Granny Young. She was my grandmother's friend,
pen pile like, and she came from Miami to visit
my grandmother up here where I live, and that's how
I knew were And she's a real sweet lady. She
lived in Miami most of her life, and I think
eventually her son, who was a very well known ethologist,
one of the world's expert on bogus by the way,

(01:02:13):
his name was Bug Young, he finally got her out
and took her to Indiana and where he lived, and
all that, well, she kept getting her house, kept getting
broke broken into and all that okay. But anyway, when
she was a young girl, she told me this story,
and I interviewed her about it. When she was a
young girl, her and her mother and her little brother
and lived I think, I don't know why. The father

(01:02:33):
might have been working somewhere else or something. I don't
know what the situation was. But they lived in a
big old rambling house in Miami. And this house had
a had a I think it was a two story house.
And she said that it was honded I mean, you
didn't live long in this house. I realized it was
honed to high heaven's kind of things, and said that

(01:02:56):
they would they'd had all kinds. She told me, you know,
I got out a book about all the things happened
in that house. But she said that there was a basement,
and this house had once upon a time, back in
Polition days, been a speakeasy or night clubs of these,
and we call now very much like that. It was

(01:03:19):
a big hangout. But now when they lived in it,
it was just being rent out. But she said that
they had a basement, and they were not allowed to
go in the basement. Matter of fact, the basement was
kept locked. And she said that when it rained on
rainy days, human days, there was a terrible smell came
out of the basement. And she asked her mother about

(01:03:40):
it one day, and she said, oh, that's just said
old way, all this down there. You know there's something
in the whale. Did She said, that's probably where a
lot of murder victims were disposed of in the way.
But anyway, said this house was very badly hondy. Then
here's the story she told me. He said, one day
she was helping her mother hang out clothes. You know,

(01:04:01):
they had a big clothes line outside of this house,
and this house had a lot of windows in it
and kind of like sort of a quasi and southern
mansion looking out of the house. You get that in mind. Anyway,
they were hanging clothes out on this day, and her
little brother was there and that was the only one there.

(01:04:22):
They was the only ones in that house. Okay, they
were outside, and they said she was helping her mother
hanging clothes. All of a sudden, and it was a
summer day, and you know how hot it gets into Miami,
so hot summer day. Said, all of a sudden, every
window in that house closed by itself, Oh boy, bam
bam bam all the way, oh boy. And the storm

(01:04:45):
shutters also closed all the way around the house. And
so her mother just looked at her like that, and
she was just looking at the mothers said that happened.
That happens just then. They said, it wasn't much longer
after that that their mother moves from.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Right now, I bet I'd be like mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
You know what people don't realize is during prohibition, what
they would do is, you know, and Bimmi and the Bahamas.
There was no prohibition. So what they would do is
these these ships would just go over there, load up
with all the booze, and they would come in off
the coast. You know, this is of course, is against
the law. That's why they call them the rum runners
because you know there are the bootleggers, the ones that

(01:05:26):
had the stills, but they were over here in the
off the coast of Florida. You know, Bimini's right there.
Bimini is like a you know, off the coast of Florida.
They would go out there load up, yeah, and Havana
and Bemini, but Bimani's closer, and they would just come
in there with a rum and they would just drop
him off or load them onto bigger ships. But there

(01:05:47):
was a lot of dark criminal stuff going on because
of that, because they were bringing in the the rum
in from like the Bahamas and all the islands, and
it was just easier. And yeah, there was a lot
of dark stuff going on with that prohibition.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
And the thing is, you know, you didn't go out
rate with certain businessman, you would definitely be disappeared.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Well, this is the thing. Miami Dade County you know,
every county. You know, we when they did the Volstead Act,
there was a federal law, so it was all the
United States, but Miami dated or well back then it
was just Dade County. They went dry six years before
the Volstead Act. So there was it was illegal for
drinking in Miami six years before prohibition was the law

(01:06:32):
of the land. So there was a big what's my point,
there was already a big criminal organization going on by
the time that prohibition really hit. There was a lot
of people.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Getting running, a lot of guns were really.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Exactly exactly, yeah, but there was a lot of and
you know what's really funny that a lot of so
called upstanding citizens they were the ones that sometimes would
use their.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
Big yachts of that house. Definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Yeah, God, I'm I mean, I'm very I was born
and raised in Miami, so I understand Miami exactly, you know, Like,
and that's the thing. A lot of these older homes,
which were probably on East Miami, a lot of them unfortunately,
were torn down as time went by. And but yeah,

(01:07:31):
there were there's there's a whole history of what they
call those speakeasies or like you said, or like not
only was it the drinking was the gambling stuff, And yeah,
they did away with people and that never made the papers,
and it was like so and so, yeah, don't ask
about them, Just don't worry about it. He's gone what
they used to on blink tigers or blink blink tigers
or blink pigs where. But yeah, they there was there

(01:07:53):
was a lot of that going around in Miami day
by the nineteen twenty. So I'm not surprised when you're
telling me that story. It's like mm hmmm, yep, yep,
that happened. So they and out in the Everglades, they
had a lot of uh, they had a lot of
moonshine stills going out there in the Hammocks, a lot

(01:08:14):
of them. They would they'd be producing moonshine out there.
So well, either not coming in from the Everglades or
it came in off the out of the islands, one
of the two. Let me ask you the have you
ever had anything follow you home? Dennis?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Well, you know a lot of mob activity that went
along with that. Al Capone had a lot to do
with a lot of that stuff as well. A lot
of the lot of the mafia mob stuff was involved
in deep in that stuffily guns and all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Yeah, well, you know al Capone he died and he
had a mansion out here in Miami. And even after
they released him from from prison, you know, he he
he had really bad symptoms, uh of a syphilis. Syphilis,
Like I mean, it had already attacked his brain. So
I think his last six years of his life, his
wife was like taking care of him. But and basically

(01:09:11):
from what I understand, he just had this big guy
that was kind of protected him in jail because in
other words, the tough guy was not there anymore. They
were they would have killed him if he wasn't protected
by one guy that took pity on him and fellow prisoner.
And then when he got out, like his wife like said,
please let me bring him home. He is the the
syphilis had really done a number on him as far

(01:09:31):
as but ya, as I mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Here, towards the end of his life, he was seeing
a lot of his former victims, the ghosts. Yes, yeah,
well that was you know you have to wonder.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Yeah, as a matter of fact, they demolished the mansion
that he had, Like I want to say, twenty twenty
three or twenty twenty one, they demolished it. And it's
on an island, like if you go through the causeways
an island that you have to go, you know, for
obvious reasons. It's really funny because there was a bunch
of mansions on there and they found later on that

(01:10:03):
they had tunnels running from mansions to mansions, you know,
underneath somebody ever knew, you know that they you know,
which is how they a lot of times they bring
in whatever it was, whether it was girls or you know,
booze or guns or whatever it was. You know, after
a while, they were getting watched all the time by
the by the by the FBI. They were being under surveillance.

(01:10:25):
So there's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
California that way too. They have a lot of those
rum tunnel as they call them, yes, under their houses
as well. So yeah, wherever you're you know, you were
close on the coast and all that. That was a
big hub for that, you know, kind of big legging and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Absolutely yeah, and it's not like forensics now. People disappeared
and it was like, you know, there was nothing nothing
like nowadays that you got forensics and DNA and they'll
come it's like, nah, people disappeared And that's and I
tell everybody. It's I do look at true crime. That's
why back then sometimes they would find bodies and the

(01:11:04):
hands were missing and the heads were missing, so that
they couldn't be ideed. It's that's if you've found anything, which,
by the way, is also a source of a lot
of very bad hauntings, especially if people were basically done
away with and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Just yeah, yeah, I heard stories about it, you know,
the same Valentine's Day massacre in Chicago. You know, they
still all say that on the anniversary of that, of
that you know, killing, that you can still hear gunshots
like they're far off in the distance, like they're you know,
fading away, But they say that you can still hear

(01:11:38):
those gunshots from that. And like I said earlier, any
of these places that have that kind of dark history,
there's going to definitely have a stain to it. And uh,
you know, I know I have some friends in Florida
that actually I think live in a house. They told
me that had once been the home of the serial killer.
I would not feel good, you know about like that

(01:11:59):
definitely costs. It's not they maybe go dead and go okay,
but the influence that the monk influence still exists in
areas like that, you have to be very very cautious
with I would do a lot of cleanings a matter
of fact. You know, that's the price you pay when
you when you when you deal with demon all and
all that stuff, that is the definite price you pay.

(01:12:21):
I have to, you know, cleanse my house at least
once a month or so.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
You know, That's what I was gonna ask you what happened?

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Many many times. I have had a lot of people
that do investigations come and say, well, I brought something
home with me. You know, so I was hollering you
back home. And this happens a lot. And that's why
I don't even like to see little children go on
these investigations, because there were much more sceptible to these things.
But you've got to understand when you go in to

(01:12:53):
this situation, you need to protect yourself spiritually going in
and coming out, or if you don't watch out, you
will get an attachment of some sort. That's happened a
lot of times.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yes, yes, yes, have you ever had anybody sends something
your weight intentionally outside?

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Oh? I've had death curses put on me?

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Oh really, what happened? Well?

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
And a dark warlock. One time. You know, they like
to tell you that they put a death curse on
you because it starts working psychologically. Yeah, he blue blue bloufer.
You don't even know what blue for? Or dust is
this graveyard dust that they use. And he blew it
in my face that I curse you to death from

(01:13:41):
this time, you know, from this time on, you're going
And I laughed at him. I said, I don't you know,
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna help you and participate
by believing in them. I'm still here, okay, but I've
had several death curses put on me like that. And uh,
like I say, it's a psychological thing. They always let
you know when they're doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Yeah, because if you don't know always exactly, it's one
of these things.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
One time I had I had a friend that she
had a dead chicken center.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Oh that's well, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
And uh that's we do definitely and oh yeah. And
then I had a matter of fact, I think I
got it round here. I had an a uh this
knife that I found sticking up in my front yard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
On it, and of course I cleaned it. That's why
I kept it. Now to show people. But uh, I've
had several of them. I even had a pentagram once
marked on my front door.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Uh huh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I have some enemies, I'm sure, definitely, and a lot
of these things they don't. They definitely formed weapons against you,
but as the Bible says, no weapon formed against you
shall prosper. Faith is what counsels this stuff out every time.
And that's why, that's what will secure you in the
long line. And that's why you know, I would say

(01:15:01):
that that I listening tonight, and that's the number one
thing you got to remember. Get a hold of your fear.
Don't let fear counsel you out. Here's what you got
to is your enemy and all this stuff, and you
can't give into the fear. That's what these dark forces want.
They use that fear of the weapon. Don't let them
do that. You don't have We have authority. We have

(01:15:22):
been given authority over these things.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
You see a lot of people don't believe that though.
Unfortunately they don't believe it. They they kind of they
kind of like let go of their control of their power.
In other words, they give it away. Uh, they don't
believe what you just said, So let me ask you, Dennis,
have you ever had cases involving in an elemental spirit?

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Oh? Yeah. They are very difficult to deal with sometimes
because they have a very strong attachment to the land itself,
and so a lot of times I've had to running
indaency situations. You may not can eradicate them completely, but
you can box them in. In other words, you can

(01:16:09):
put them in a place where they can stay and
you can avoid that areas. That has to happen sometimes
not every time, you know, you have to go case
by case. But I've had that happen where I think
there was one incident with this lady on the farm
and we were never able to actually get rid of
this elemental spirit, but we cordined it off into a

(01:16:31):
field there, okay, and she would avoid that field from
then on, you know, And that was one way we
had to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Deal with it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
They can be incredibly hard to get it out because
they feed off of the power of the earth itself,
and the earth is incredibly energized. It is the earth
that we live on is a living thing. That's where
your lightning comes from. Lightning doesn't come from the sky,
comes from the earth. That's the word it originates there's
a lot lot of power in this earth, and a

(01:17:01):
lot of things on this planet know how to utilize
that power.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Absolutely, yes, and and that's the that's why I asked
you that thing specifically, specifically about the elemental, because that's
not that's that's in and of itself, is totally separate.
Because that's I don't want to say it's part of nature,
but separate, and it's ancient. I want to say, most

(01:17:27):
of these elementals.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
It's connected to nature. He uses nature, yes, really part
of nature, you know in that respect, but it connects
to it, it uses it utilize. I just say, like
plugging your toestery into the wall, you know, you're plugging
into the power outlet. And that's what these things are doing.
They're plugging into the power I think of the earth itself.

(01:17:49):
That's where you get the term element.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
What had she? Had she done something or was it
just accidental? What happened with that lady that she ran
into that problem with the elemental? Do you remember what
she because I know sometimes people build or make a
well or do something and then it's down't help from there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Well, she she, like I said, avoided The pastors said, well,
she had a lot of land, so you know, okay
other and said she said, well, I'll just you know,
avoid that. And she had horses. The horses didn't want
to go out there. Okay, the horses with them.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
That's a that's a good sign right there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Yeah, just give them that part. If you want to
stay here, you know, and you want to be all this,
just kind of give them that part and leave them
alone though they live and do their thing or whatever
it is. The land situation, you stay on side. So
she had a whole lot of land, so it didn't
bother in that was fake. And the last time I
taught whether, which has been let's sit in several months back,

(01:18:45):
she know everything was going fine and they were not
coming in the house and bothering. So that was their
main Sure we're getting in her house. She had a
lot of shadow figures and all kinds of stuff going
on in the house. Okay, So we sort of accordinged
it all away from the house definitely. So she was
happy with that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Okay, because sometimes I've I know that sometimes people will
do things accidentally, like I said, they'll make a well,
or they'll knock over like a big tree like you know,
uprooted like sometimes that will stir up elemental spirits, which
before nothing was happening, like everything was copasatic. They're over
there and you're over here, and we'll ignore each other.

(01:19:26):
But then people do things accidentally.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Well, here's another thing. Here's another thing you gotta look at,
and I run into this. And there's a lot of
cases before a lot of the Native Americans cursed a
lot of this land. Okay, I've heard the curse from
this land for two reasons. Vainly, of course, it was
kind of like revenge on their bar but also it

(01:19:49):
was to secure that land. Was like a guardian, you know,
over the sacredness of the land itself. So they we
call them curses. They was sort of like you know,
something that they sat there. I call that sort of
a matrix that they put over these things, right, and
we run You run into that sometimes that cursed part
of the land. So it was put there by Native

(01:20:11):
Americans for a purpose. Usually when you run into that,
you're either close to their burial grounds or their sacred lands.
Uh that you run into that. And here's another thing
I look at. And also you know, being involved in
cryptidoholity stuff, I'll go in the woods a lot. You
may run into some parts of the woods where a

(01:20:34):
lot of these rituals take place that they do, and
when they have certain places that they have like that
they placed demanding guardians over these places they you can
run into that as well, so you have to be
very careful. One of the worst incidentss I ever had
was a actually was a haunted brewery by the way. Yeah,

(01:20:55):
that's that's pretty good. You weren't only interest in the bottles, Okay.
It was very interesting. This thing that was the spirit
in the dark, spirit that had been put there by
a dark warlock, and it was a guardian or demon
type thing. Okay, okay, good thing attacked me on the
stairs that night there, and he tried to kill me,

(01:21:16):
pushing me down the stairs. I mean, it's a very
long stairwhell and it was a landing. It was two
stairs like and it was landing in the middle of them,
uh huh. And I was luckily on that landing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
This thing jumped me. It jumped me on my back.
I could feel this thing on my back. I could
feel his claws in my bag and I physically grabbed
this thing. I could feel it with my hands wall
and tried to pull it off and over me, and
I think I finally had off on me that way,
but it was attacking me physically, and I said, oh,

(01:21:49):
there's something different. This is just not your own a
middle paranormal stuff going on here, Yes, So I destigated
and found out that this dark warlock had had a
store one of these buildings, and I had to buy it.
I had somebody with me on the team. I said,
go check this store out, you know, go walk around
there in the chagancy. And he come back and said,

(01:22:10):
it's empty, but there is a pentagram drawn on the
side of the building.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Well, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Well I heard that. I knew exactly what was going on.
I said, oh, you know, two plus two peoples forward,
I know what's going on here. We have encountered a
guardian demon. Yes, we finally got rid of that thing.
Several people saw it. That man there's a shadow with
eyes like uh, there was jumped on. Several people that

(01:22:37):
were there attacked them and uh. I've had demonic attacks
and usually they attack mey, usually physically, although they can
attack you spiritually, mentally and emotionally. Matter of fact, I
was on television with the uh Ghosts Asylum game. Those
of the guys used to have a TV show, Yes, yes,

(01:22:57):
and they had gone and encountered some of these spirits
and an old asylumn, and of course that's the number
one place with demons, any kind of traumatic place like it.
They love place of the dead, places of trolling death. Anyway,
the one guy was investigating it, not They finally said,

(01:23:17):
in the middle of the investigation, I got to get
out of here, so I can't even think straight anymore.
I said, well, well, the students attacking you mentally. I
have been attacked all whole different ways, and I know
what it feels like. Mm hmm, but it is not
a good feeling. And I had one guy I get
attacked emotionally one night with me while I was there.
It took in months to get over.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
Yes, people don't realize that. It's almost like what, what's
where's the chink in your armor where I can get
to you?

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Like you said, whether it's a mentally, emotionally, spiritually, whatever,
you know, sometimes physically, you know, people get ill. I've
heard of sometimes people feeling really sick after an investigation,
and it thinks about a month to get over it
like it's not anybody can get sick, it doesn't have
to be, but that there's there's something that they come

(01:24:05):
to realize that it was some type of attack, and yeah, absolutely,
that's why. You know what, then, sometimes you see all
these people that go legend tripping, especially to cemeteries, and
I think that it's like, you know, you might get
more than just the spirit of somebody that died there.
There's a lot of stuff that people leave behind in

(01:24:26):
cemeteries or spell work that they do there, that they
leave stuff behind there on purpose or by accident. And
I said, sometimes even the you know how they say
the the beginner sometimes beginner's luck. Some of them go
out there and try to evoke something, not really knowing
what they're doing. They just pick up a book and
they actually get to evoke something, and they leave it there.

(01:24:47):
Like you said, they open the doorway, they don't know
how to close it. And then you see the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Other ones that brings it to laugh more.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Yes, yes, people go in there and they're like and
it's like I was just walking out there just to
get scared a little bit and not realizing, yeah, there's
more out there. M m.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Then yeah, I mean that's the one thing is haunting
me from the beginning, you know, when I first had
my very first experience, when I was that young, and
it still haunts me to this day. If you know,
when I saw what I saw, and I had to
ask myself this question, is this is real? If this

(01:25:26):
does exist, then what else is out there?

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Of course, of course doesn't that they can wake people
out really a lot, because that opens the doorway to
the possibility of what else out there is out there
that you know, you think, Okay, it's all horror movie
or fantasy or made up or stuff like that, and
it's like, well, how much of it is really made up?
And how much is is there possibility? Because sometimes it's

(01:25:54):
just the possibility of it being real, and I don't
know even run across it. I've gone where people have
been brand new ghost hunters and they're all they're all
excited because they want to have that experience. And sometimes,
like I said, beginner's luck or not luck, they really
have a full blown experience very soon out of the gate,

(01:26:15):
and they stop all of a sudden, they don't come
back because it's not what they imagine that they get.
It's wiggs them out so much that they just they
just get out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
They're like, and IDAs over the years, you know, so
I never had anything like that happen to me. How
come so much has happened to you? You've seen so
many everything and all, I said, well, probably because I
was looking for it. When you look into something, you know,
most of the time, it will look back at you
no matter what it may.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Be, right, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
You know a lot of people they said, well, God,
I wish I could have some experiences. I said, maybe
you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Yeah, that's what's that saying about. Be careful what you
wish for, because some people, when they get it, they're like, huh,
Like I want to go back to before I witness this.
I want to go back to when I still thought
this stuff would make believe because it kind of shifts
your the way you look at things, the possibilities of things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
You can't unsee something something.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Oh, there you go, that's it. That's exactly what it is.
You can't unsee it no matter what. Yeah, especially if
it's something that's very difficult to explain it like through
rational things, like do you realize.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
That's For years and I've talked to people about this
in a lot of lectures and stuff like this, and
I'm telling them, you know, for many years I was
banging my head against the wall since I need to
prove this to you, I need to show you this
and need to get you to believe this. And really
that was really the stupid thing to do on my part,
because people are going to believe what they're going to believe, okay,
And it's not our job to make you believe anything.

(01:27:48):
It's our job to present you with whatever it is
we may have, and you draw your own on that
exactly my opinion. That's fine, I give you my opinion.
But you know, you can't just keep banging your heads.
They go out and try to prove this. Look at this,
look at this. You're wasting time. You will know, that's
the main thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
At some point people sometimes, like you said, leave them
to their own devices, and they will either something will
happen to them or they witness something and they get
to it more. Sometimes even if you try to explain it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I mean, right now, they're not you and I gonna
have our picture taken with a ghost of Elvis Presley.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
I'm sure it'd be like, oh, that's that's photoshop. Okay,
you know they photoshopped always to that picture.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
A whole lot. Incredibly harder on researchers now because you
really don't know what's real and what's not real anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Of course, of course I look at these things and
it's like, there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Are certain elements of evil they like that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Oh yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
It's because the power of the devil, my friends, is
that nobody believes in him.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Yes, of course, everybody thinks, oh, it's a goof, it's
not real. It's like, oh, it's make believe. It's it's like, uh,
you know what it's Sometimes it can creep in there.
There's a darkness that creeps in with paranormal research that
if you don't know what you're doing, all of a sudden,
you you know, you go fishing and instead of a sardine,
you get a great white. That's what happens. They end

(01:29:23):
up with something beyond what they thought when they go
legend tripping, or they go coats hunting, or they do
some stuff stuff like that. It's like and then they're
the ones that maybe give you a call later on
saying help help, I uh this is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
Yes, that's an occupational hazard.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
Yeah, yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Right now, the Legends book. I'm going to get done here. Yes, paracryptidology, okay,
a can the paranormal and crypto cryptology was two different fields,
but now they've going together. They kind of mashed together
and they're no longer two separate communities. So that's why

(01:30:07):
I named it paracryptiology. Hunting monsters and things of not there, Yes,
and that is a fascinating part of all is the
monsters are real when they do exist. But here's the
interesting thing of all. The monsters are real, and most
of the time they are us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Yes, yes, I know it's startling to think. And sometimes
they're very handsome or very beautiful looking. By the way.
To go with it, let me ask it. Oh, thank
you for my podcast listeners. Dennis. What is the website
where they can find you and your work?

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
It's at Dennis W. Carol dot com. I had to
put the W in there because there's another Dennis Carol
and he's a football player and that's not me. Okay,
that's not you. I don't play football anyway. It's Dennis W.
Carol dot com. Or you can get in touch with
me at Dennis carol a Gmail dot com. Okay, and
also I have three podcasts that I do. Monday nights

(01:31:09):
at nine o'clock PM Eastern Thanday time, I do The
road Less Travel my friend Gerald Fountain. And then Wednesday
nights I do Hunting the Shadows at nine o'clock PM
Eastern Sentay time. And Friday nights I do Paranormal point
of View at nine o'clock on easton Center time. So
I do all those are nine o'clock VM and on

(01:31:32):
Paranormal point of View we do reviews movies and stuff
that have something to do with the paranormal. And this
Wednesday tonight, actually when I close this, my guest that
I'll be doing Hunting the Shadows. We're gonna talk about
the Witch, the one witch that all the other witches
are afraid of, the Raven Locker. So that's going to

(01:31:53):
be on Hunting the Shadows tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:31:55):
Okay, Oh my god. Well, I'm gonna put a link
in the credits of the show. Anyway. Now, this book
that you were talking about, is it been released or
will you be releasing it soon?

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Yeah? I have several books available on Barnes and Noble
and Amazon, just look up the author as dinnist W.
Carol and one book is called Beyond the Shadows They
feel God to the paranormal from the other book is
called The Road Unseen, a Paranormal Journey and to have strangeness.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
I love it. I love it high strangeness. Yep. Again,
Thank you so much, Dennis. It has been absolutely wonderful
to talk to you. And I'm going to check up
those podcasts because you're right. Heah, I get it. I
get it. Everything you're talking about is like I get it.
So thank you so much, and I'll be following up
with you and I can come back and tell us

(01:32:45):
more stories. Okay, definitely take care, bye bye. Wow. He's
one of my kind. Yes he is, Yes he is.
You know what I just you know, I was still
a little bit scattered with asking him the questions about
certain stories. But it's like, no, I want to askhim

(01:33:06):
about the werewolf. No, but I want to ask him
about the vampire. No, but I want to ask him
about the ghost next time. He's coming back. If I
can help it, he's coming back. I'm gonna see if
I can just like hailor it more so I can,
But I bet he's got some great stories, you know,
firsthand stories of the that he's heard about and firsthand
experience both both, you know, as far as you know,

(01:33:33):
because that was funny, you know, he realizes that first
expedition out there where the werewolf is like, yeah, that
guy found it with a bottle. I was like, all right,
you know that bear that was going through your trash
can that was that wasn't a were wolf and you
know that. And it's the truth. That's that's a lot
of these sightings. How's this. It's not that people Okay, wait,

(01:33:54):
sometimes people are lying, they're out and out lying. And
then there's people that they don't mean to lie either
because either I don't know, they're drunk or whatever. That
what they think they see is what they think they see.
Maybe it wasn't bear, but to this guy and his
data was like, that's a werewolf. You know, maybe it was.
In other words, they don't they're not. And then there's
the legit, you know, encounters of seeing things, hearing things

(01:34:17):
whatever that they you know, it's that there's no way
around it. And again, this is the thing what people
don't realize is that, yeah, nowadays everybody carries around a phone,
which is like a camera, and even then stuff happens,
especially when you're not looking for it. Some people are

(01:34:38):
really good that they turn it on and they're filming,
but there's a lot of people that all you do
is like huh. But for the majority of time when
there was some type of technology, people were not walking
around with cameras or video recorders or if anything. So
they would have these experiences, whether they were out in
the woods or in the house or whatever, and all
they had. All they had was I saw this and

(01:35:01):
they were alone. Maybe oh well, they were lucky they
had somebody else with them, or maybe a couple of
people where they had witnesses. And even then sometimes pop
would say, well, you're all crazy, and it's like and
a lot of times you are by yourself and it
was like all right. You know, even if your reputation
was as a credible person, sometimes people look at you
like hmm. And things like that happen randomly. I don't

(01:35:27):
know whether you want to call it a rip. Maybe
in time there's people that have experienced or seen things
that they never see again. Some people think that's a
rip in time that sometimes they even see like let's
say reenactments of battles, like all of a sudden, they're
like there. It's not that like the phantoms are here.
They're there in that time period and they see things

(01:35:50):
and then it's gone. Who knows. It's so weird out there.
I love it. But yeah, like I said, I will
have a link to his website on the credits of
this show. Go check it out. He's got the books, God knows,
he's got the experience. Check out his podcasts because but
believe me, it sounds like he's got plenty to talk
about and he's got the experience. This is what I'd like.

(01:36:12):
This is not somebody that just read it out of
a book or saw some paranormal reality shows and hey,
I know now all about the paranormal because I don't care.
I don't care what anybody says. Unless you're out in
the field doing something with this, including the boring stuff
where nothing happens, or you give up a weekend or
a Saturday night, then that's not real paranormal research. It's

(01:36:37):
not I don't be I was like, I don't care
what they tell you unless you you're on a team
or with one other person. If you want to put
a team together and even then I say be careful
and you actually do the legwork. And by the way,
I'm gonna say this, a lot of people sometimes say, well,
you don't want to get this equipment, and it was like,
stop it. You don't need that much equipment. You could.

(01:36:58):
You could have a digital recorder and this to an investigation.
And because everybody's trying to imitate all these shows where
they've got all these cameras and the fleer and the
this and the the EMF, well EMF is pretty basic.
But you know these multiple cameras and you know what,

(01:37:23):
sometimes you don't well, oh what am I saying? You
don't need that stuff? You don't need that if you're
a legit serious investigator, right, if you're a legit serious investigator,
you don't have to spend a bunch of money and equipment.
It's like I said, things happen. So in other words,

(01:37:47):
hows this that. Yeah, you might be able to capture
some evidence with what you got a camera or a
digital recorder or something and not. But I'll tell you what,
there's nothing like your own personal experience that you didn't
capture anything like that or that that you can say, wow,
this is hardcore proof, but there's something that when you

(01:38:09):
have that experience, you go, this is real, this paranormal,
whether you want to call it the afterlife or the
supernatural or the paranormal. And of course this bleeds into you.
I followed uphology and all that other stuff. That doesn't
matter whether you captured proof or not unless you're delusional
or you want to like kid yourself and you're you

(01:38:29):
know that you realize this is real. I might not
be able to prove it to anybody, but I know
that what I saw, what I heard, whatever the scenario
that played out, was this is legit. And that's all
you need to go forward with it and believe it
or not. What a lot of people are looking for.
And for some people, like I said, they have that
legit moment, the real and then they wig out because

(01:38:51):
for them, it was all playtime. It's like, oh, it's
gonna be playing and I'm never gonna have that. And
then they have a one moment, this one experience that
is unquestionably what they supposedly were looking for, and then
they're like, holy crap, and they do like this about
face and it's like, get me out of dodge. I
don't want to have anything to do with it because
I never thought it was real. I never thought a

(01:39:12):
ghost was real, you know. I just thought that or
something darker. In some cases, I just thought it was
like you know, it was play acting. Was just hanging
out with people and having a good time pretending LARPing,
and you find out you're not LARPing. It's real. And
then there's other bo inspired them to go forward. It's like, man,

(01:39:32):
this is real, and I'm going to stay in this field.
This is really interesting. And then you know, you do investigations,
a lot of them go nowhere. A matter of fact,
a lot of them go nowhere because, like I said,
either it's nothing's there, the family opts to their own solution,
which is I'm going to move out I'm talking about
this as a family house, or you can't get access

(01:39:52):
to the location again, or people just shut you down,
or it just it just goes away. I would say
a good portion enough the time it's either there's nothing there,
or it's very residual, there's nothing intelligent, there's nothing. And
then some people, like I said, especially after the advent
of these paranormal shows, they kind of like get upset

(01:40:13):
when you don't tell me, hey, you have a full
blown haunting of maybe one or two. And they're like,
but are you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Sure, And it's like yeah, like be glad, be glad
that this might be just residual, all right, or maybe nothing,
nothing at all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
Maybe you've got bad plumbing or something else. I mean,
there's a lot of things sometimes that imitate what people,
especially if you're a prime to believe it's supernatural, like
oh that knowing that scratching is like, no, it's nothing.
It's like you might have an animal just nesting in
the whatever of your treats. Give me a million things,

(01:40:53):
but it's very interesting. I got to talk to Dennis again,
So guys again, please look me up. But miamigoes Chronicles
dot com, mp Pelisher dot com. Like I said, have
links to everything there. Sign up for my newsletter on substack.
That's a good way to stay in touch. And like
I said, I'm on all the podcast platforms, I'm on
all the major video platforms, and but if anything always

(01:41:17):
you can go down to my website and you're gonna
find links to everything there. MP three files, video files
or direct links to the video platforms or the whatever
the you know, some people have certain favorite podcast platforms
that they you want to I'm on iHeartRadio, I'm on Spotify,
I'm on Apple. Wherever you go looking, you will find

(01:41:38):
me there. So please come back. I have a lot
of interesting guests just like him, And thanks again for
coming back every week and spending this time with me.
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