Monsters and Cryptids | Interview with Gregory Fedora | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to my newsletter on substack just go to mppelaser dot
com for a link. I want to thank you for
being part of my audience and I think you are
all wonderful. So how's everybody doing good? I hope everything
is good, But of course, in the space of a week,
many adventures can happen, and this is this story will

(01:25):
be an adventure of Marlene having a coming to Jesus
moment with reality as in, how's this? And I'm sure
I think everybody's run into this like a modern times
workforce availability blah blah blah blah. Anyway, let me you'll

(01:45):
see what I mean. I'm telling you about a week ago,
we realized that our freezer on our refrigerator, which is
only five years old, was going belly up because we
touched some meat and it was like, man, this is
not supposed to be soft getting solved. This should usually
really rock solid. Plus we have a stand up freezer.
But anyway, so we're like, oh, oh, this is not good.

(02:09):
Hmm okay, oh we at that same day, of course,
everything happens when we realized this thing is not getting better,
Like we turned up you know the thermist you know,
not the thermostat, but the settings make it cold. We're like, okay,
maybe did you hit the wrong button. Nothing, We realized
this thing is going So first reality thing was we

(02:31):
couldn't find anybody to come out and do the same
day repairs on a freezer. All right. It was like
and at that same day I'm having you know, it's like,
you know, like I did I do this intentionally? But
I know I didn't, Which was I was having estimates
for people to come and cut some trees down, and
all of a sudden, I'm telling the reality check is
I was used to calling some places where you could say, hey,

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can you especially this is not like overnight, but do
you have somebody come come out for this is like
a five year old I think you know they did
the coolant getting somebody the day that day or the
very least the same day. I'm calling. This is a Thursday,
and everybody's telling me, no, I can get out there.
Maybe Monday or Tuesday. One lady I think took pity

(03:17):
on me and says, look, I'm going to give you
a phone number. Call them. They might be able to
go out there. Sure enough, you know, like thank god,
the inside scoop they come out here. Real nice guy
I've in New York got on Florida, of course, and
he tells me, look this saus I guess the equivalent
to free on for air conditions, some type of coolant.
It's got a leak, he says. The league could be little,

(03:39):
it could be small. I can refill it and it
might last you three months, three years, five years, or
not at all, he goes, and if not, you might
as well get a new refrigerator, because to take this
thing apart, plus, this was not really an expensive refrigerator
we have. And I was like, okay, let's do it.
Just refill it and maybe you'll buy us some time. Nah, well,
he left enough. The next the next couple of days,

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we're looking and we're like, no, this is this is
not working by like Saturday or Sunday. No, I take
that back by maybe monthy or Tuesday. Within a few
days we realized, yeah, at the beginning when that when
it was brand new in there, it cooled. But then
we realized, no, this thing is not working. And that's

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another thing. We realized this this coolant also works with
the refrigerator, so eventually your refrigerator will stop keeping stuff cool.
The way anyway, to make a long story short, we
started shopping around. For first of all, this is another thing.
You know, you got to get something that's going to
fit through the door. We don't have a double door.
I used to live in houses before which had double doors,

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so there was never an issue like it's it going
to fit through the door where I live now, No,
that's not an option. And then the way that is
as a certain amount of face with shelving and cabinets,
so not that we were planning to buy one of
those big mega things. Bottom line. I I purchased the
refrigerator on Wednesday or Thursday or something like that, and

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I got it out here a couple of days ago.
It took like a tuesday. That's my that's another thing
to my coming to Jesus moment, where it was going
to take five days to deliver a refrigerator. And it
was like what And I'm telling you, we had to
scramble about dry eyes. I didn't work. We were stuff
we have little refrigerators, were stuffing stuff and putting stuff
in the freezer and we're like okay, and we were

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you know, one of those things like you don't know
how important a refrigerator is still you don't have it.
I mean I've been in situations, like I said, with
no electricity because of hurricanes. But this at least you
prepare for that. How's that? And this was like man,
and it's again you become spoiled. You become even though
you think I'm not. You become used to this instant gratification,

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like everything is like on Amazon. You get it the
next day or two days. You know, you think, I'm
going to get this fixed tomorrow. Today we're today, right,
it's something let the refrigerator and uh a refrigerator of course,
but tomorrow I'll be they'll be here. No, I'll just
you know, call and I'm here working with a guy
I even, and he's like, well, I think we can

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get you one out there. Tuesday. No, he says, Monday.
The calendar just shifted Tuesday. I was like, what do
you mean? And I was like, is it because it's
this model and he goes, no, no, it's just and
I was like, son of a gun. Anyway, that's my
story for this week, as in you have like a
moment of collision with reality, with the reality you think

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versus what the reality is. Okay, whether it's manpower, whether
it's I don't know, what it is to be honest
with you where well you met her, think of ways
to and we did. I'm not saying we did. It
was highly it was. It was uh. I mean we
had to take things off our door to make just
to get one. We just I said, you know what,

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let's get this old one we had. We unplugged it. It
was like, that's it. It was, there was nothing in there.
I mean, whatever this leak was, I don't remember. I
don't know how it just what the whole one. So anyway,
I'm telling you that I think, you know, once upon
a time, this is how you can at least hiken
someone's you know, once upon a time, people used to
have ice boxes and he used to put a piece
of ice underneath, and you know, everything was basically we're

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making stuff on a daily basis, and you know, you
don't do what we do now, which is refrigerate things
and freezom long term as in. So I was like,
you know, what's upon a time people and people did
just fine, and was like, yeah, but once you have
it and you get used to it, you're spoiled. And yeah,
that's that's my story for this week. Luckily, nothing happened

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with any of my animals. But that was one of
those things where I hate to say it for lack
of a better word, you know, you need to keep
an eye on at least, you know, before things totally
go south, like totally break, you get it, You gotta
repair man out there because you never, Oh, I'm sorry,
they might just not work anymore. Yeah, one of those

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one of those deals. So anyway, now that I've now
that I've like, you know, had my moment here, I mean,
get onto the good stuff. The good stuff is. Who's
the guest today at Stories of the Supernaturalist is the
first time he's been here. His name is Gregory Fedora,
and whether he is sitting around a campfire and a studio,

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Gregory will enlighten and entertain you with the most amazing stories.
He has been seeking out the mysterious from a very
early age. His goal is to document the history, mythology,
and tales of the peculiar creatures from around the world.
When he is not in search of a mysterious beast,
he is spending time learning about others. As he says,
the world is full of observers and participants, why not

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be both, which I think is a great, saying help
me welcome him. How are you doing today, Gregory?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Great? How are you doing?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Good? Good? Good good?

Speaker 2 (08:58):
So sorry about your fridge man.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know what's just stuff that happens to you that
all of a sudden, you know. Yeah, And you know
what sometimes I tell my husband, you know, you hear
these people that are LARPers that or they pay these games,
you know they were they they live in this world
where there's like or it's like steam punkish, very little
no electricity or magic, but no none of the amenities.
I'm like, you know what, I think that if they

(09:21):
got a dose of life like that, the LARPing would
be over very quickly.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Oh yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yes, it's like yeah no no, no electricity, no refrigeration here,
no air conditioning, no ice, no cold drinks and uh
yeah you know that thing with the by candle light.
Suret that would get old real su.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
You'd be like on Gilligan's Island, and you'd need the
professor to make things better.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, and you hope you have a professor to make
things better for all, you know, And you know what
I've you know, sometimes you see in these movies how
some of these people they bed down like in the outdoors,
like or wrap themselves in a blanket, especially if it's cool.
And I've been outdoors sometimes when it's been cool and
I'm thinking about how can they sleep. I'd be freezing,

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you know, but they make it look like it's like
all tough. You know. I'll just wrap myself up in
this blanket, you know, with no you know, nothing over you,
and I'll just go to sleep. And I'm like, sure,
you're not gonna get any sleep, that isn't the bugs
leave you alone? But yeah, that's one of those things
that I you know, people don't realize that. Nah, we're
used to climate control. How's that?

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, it's miserable when you do it.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, most of those Uh
it's like what is that? Good and good in practice?
Good in theory, but not in practice kind of.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Situation, Yes for sure.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah. Well you know what it's levey even some of
these adventure stories. But let me ask you, how did
you become interested in this field? Was it as a
kid or how did that come about?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah? It was when I was young. So when I
was in like grade school, the you know, the schools
had book fairs. I don't even know they still do
that anymore. I don't know that my kids ever mentioned
going to book fairs anymore. And there was this book
and it was like a Scholastic book and on the

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cover was Bigfoot a UFO and the Lockness Monster.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
And I got that book and so I I mean,
I was fascinated with it. And like, at the time,
you know, Bigfoot and Lockness, monsters and aliens. That was it. Yeah, So,
and that was what the whole book was about. The
thing is, there wasn't a whole lot of pictures in it,
but there's a lot of words, and you know, and

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I read it and I had it for it and
I lost it, and I wish I could find it
again because it was that was what really starred me
down there. And and at the time, you know, you
didn't have the Internet, you didn't have anything like that.
So when you heard stories of monsters, it seemed to
always be Bigfoot in Lockness. And I grew up in

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Ohio and I stumbled across a story about the Ohio Octoman,
who supposedly came out of the Ohio River and scared
all these people in Cincinnati, and I was like, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
I've never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, it happened back in there. I think it was
the sixties. So he came out scared, people went away,
never has never been seen again. Then you had like
a different Grassman, which is Ohio's version of Bigfoot. So
you had those stories, and eventually Michigan, like you know,
you had like the hex Wolf, which is kind of Pennsylvania, Maryland,

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West Virginia. Then in Michigan they called it the dog
Man that it's basically the same thing. It's like a
wolfman type of creature. I'm sorry, Oh that's all good.
But yeah, So I started hearing stories when I was young,
but like again, the research was really hard, and then

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as I got old, I kind of like put it aside.
And I was never really a ghost hunting kind of
guy that kind of stuff. Uh. One of my really
good friend's chip is total ghost hunting guy. He goes
out and he actually goes to all the places, sleeps
in the places, talks his way into these places. And yeah,

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I've gotte on one ghost honey with him, and that
was enough for me because I'm one of these where
if I can't see it, like like I watched those
shows and like it always cracks me up that they're
like hit me, hit me. I'm like, dude, I wouldn't
even tell someone I could see to.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Hit hit yeah, And it's like, yeah, it makes you
wonder if they did what they would do.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Like I was like, an invisible dude, you're telling hit me.
It's like, dude, if he hits you, you can't stop it.
So like I was always in to that, like those
stories and trying to find them, and then as I
got older, I was able to like start researching and
finding these stories. And I was also in a mythology,

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and as I was reading myths and stories around the world,
I was starting to see some common themes. Okay, like
no matter where they were in the world, they had
these creatures. And I was like, well, that's weird that. Okay,
the Greeks talked about like this kind of thing, but
so did the Aztecs, so did the Egyptians, so did

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these like the Native Americans had this and this, and
like it's like and they all are describing things that
sound really similar. And I was like, that's fascinating, and
I was like, so there must have been something. And
so that's where I kind of went with all the stories.
It's like whether or not it was exactly what these
people say it was, or it was something they experienced

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and they couldn't understand it sure, and so that so
then I started like chronicling, and I started and as like,
I like the first book I did, I can trick,
it's like happy Little Monsters. So, uh, what I did
is like I just remembered when I was young, finding

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this book that the book I told you about, but
there was no pictures. So I went and I just
started making the pictures of like what people said they were,
how people describe them in different creatures from around the world.
And then I told the like a brief story of
each one then and then that originally it was going

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to be I was just doing it and doing it
and why I'm down? And my wife was like watching
me do this, and she was like, what are you
going to do with this? I go, I'm going to
make a book. She goes, do you realize how many
pages of stuff you have right now? And I was like,
she goes, that is going to be a huge book
and nobody's gonna be able to afford it. So she

(16:07):
was like, dude. In volumes, I was like Okay, yeah,
that made sense. Right now, I have four volumes done.
There you go, my plans for about ten.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
I was gonna say, that gives me an idea of
how much stuff you had collected, how much information, God,
that you can fill up ten volumes. Yeah, and so
that leads me to believe there's a lot more out
there than the regular ones, right yeah, yeah, because everybody,
like you said, everybody knows, okay, the big Foot go ahead.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, And I kind of tried to stay away from Bigfoot.
There are a couple of big footesque type monsters in
here in my books, but like it's the ones that
are very funny, interesting, or the story is so crazy
that it's like something happened. And because I, like, I
don't do the one the Murphysville mud Monster, which is

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the story to me. This one is fascinating because basically,
the first people to spot it was this couple who
were making out in a park and this muddy Bigfoot
esque creature came hit their car and scared the crap
out of them, and they went directly to the cop.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Right, And it's usually a good sign that they were
scared when they go directly to the cops, because Normally
people are like, you know, if they were making it
up or it was a hoax, but.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Much they go to the cops and admit they were
making out in the car and what happened.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Oh, because because they were this was they weren't. In
other words, they were they were each married to different
people they were meeting. Oh I got so.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I was like, Okay, that's such a fascinating story that
a couple that was hiding this affair into the cops
because they got so scared. And that speaks to me. Yeah,
it's like, okay, well, yeah, if you're willing to get
a divorce over this, and like, as far as I know,
they didn't stay together, but.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
No, yeah, but exactly. But they didn't just say, hey,
well we'll talk about this to anybody. But yeah, yeah,
the fact that they went all the way to the
cops tells you that they whatever they saw scared them
bad enough.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It's really It's funny. And like
I said, I grew up in Ohio, I did then
live in uh, Florida, moved to Florida after college, and
down there you have the Skunk Cape and you have
like some of the others and I've met Dave Sheeley, right,
who is the Skunk Cape guy. I does not remember me.

(19:02):
It was very brief, but I was like when I
was Oh my gosh, that statue and so but so
the Skunkcake and there's a lot of stories there. World
people went in again, it's like they get nothing for
going in and saying something about it other than dude,
you're crazy. So so I found that fascinating. I now

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live up in Maryland, and like, I kind of move
around where but where the work leads, and so here
in Maryland. It's kind of funny. Like when I came
up here and I was doing the books and stuff,
and I was like thinking, I'm going to make a
funny documentary in my mind about Bigfoot. Just that was

(19:48):
where my mind went. And as I where I live,
as I was researching the area because I was like, well,
I want to figure out where the Bigfoot could be
in this area, I stumbled across that I lived by
this place called South Mountain, Maryland, and it's kind of
like the mecca of Maryland for weird stuff. And I

(20:10):
have no idea and so and then as I reached
I was like, oh my gosh, this is like bizarre,
Like forget Bigfoot. This whole mountain is crazier than Bigfoot.
And and for me it was weird that Maryland doesn't
talk about it. They kind of I never heard of it,

(20:30):
Like it's not like this is like kind of like
the Mothman. But for Maryland and West Virginia celebrates Mothman
like that's a big deal. They love. Yes, they even
have a statue with a ruin.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
I've been there. I've been there and I took a
picture and I did the tourist thing. I took a
picture in front of it.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
But yeah, and you can grab it's like nice like
heiney that it's it works out. But so it's like
they so, but in Maryland they don't celebrate this. And
and I can tell you this mountain it's called South Mountain, Maryland.
It's uh right near middle of town Maryland. And I
can actually see South Mountain from my backyard from where

(21:08):
I'm at. And on South Mountain you have a bunch
of stuff that happened. One you have a guy named
Michael Ziddel who was known as the Wizard of South Mountain,
and he was a healer and a bunch of other stuff.
You also have a hex wolf also known as the

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Duel that stalks South Mountain. You also have a creature
called the Snarleal, which is like the classic black dog
that vanishes and shows up, disappears. And there's plaques on
the mountain about these things, which is funny. The last,
the last one, which is probably the biggest deal on

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it's called the snally Gaster. And this creature and this one,
this is where you get some really fun stories. This
creature is the oldest colonial cryptid in the United States.
It actually is older than the Jersey Devil, predates the
Jersey Devil, the stories predated by five years, ok And

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so that to describe it, the creature is like a
dragon but has like bird beak, bird wings, but it
has tentacles coming out of its neck. It's all around.
Just you don't want to run into.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
This thing, Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
So that the storage of this star back in the
seventeen hundreds, and they kept going like there's people said
they saw it here. During the Civil War there was
a big battle called the Battle South Mountain. Both Union
and Confederate soldiers claimed to have seen the snelly Gaster. Wow, Like,
there's stories about them seeing it. Now, the most famous

(22:53):
idea of this it comes with Teddy Roosevelt, who actually
wrote about the snelly Gaster because in nineteen oh eight,
three moonshiners went missing on South Mountain. Everybody said the
snelly gaster got and that's that was the story was

(23:15):
in the newspapers in the area. It's actually in the
New York Times. It was in like these like monster kills.
Okay that it was in the nineteen oh eight, and
you can find articles on it. Well, Teddy Roosevelt was
pissed about it, and and he was going to come
hunt the snelly Gaster because no monster kills an American

(23:35):
when he's president, and he's going and he and his
son Kermit were gonna come over hunt the thing down,
because you know, he was he was a hunter. He's
into that. He also wrote about Bigfoot and wanted to
hunt Bigfoot as well. But he goes two days before
he was to come the South Mountain, they found the
bodies of the moonshiners. And what had happened was there

(23:59):
this stillery had exploded. Yeah, that's how they died. Well
that's the story. Now, if you get into the folklore,
everyone says the idea that like where the stories go,
like the whispered stories, that Teddy Roosevelt actually did come

(24:22):
actually did kill it. And still I guesser had killed
these people. And then he, knowing that America could not
handle the idea of a dragon being in America, said Hey,
the distillery exploded, That's how they.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Died, which sounds very plausible.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah. So that that that's the that's kind of the fun.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
That's a great story. You know that, that is a
great story. I'd never heard of that.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, and you should like like I had. And the
Snelly gaster story is actually one in my first book.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
And I've become fascinated with the Snally Gasterer just because
it's near me at my house, and so I've been
looking up all the different stories that are about it.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Let me ask you the and this you said predates
like the Jersey Double How far back did was it
that you said.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
It was seventeen thirty Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
This is pre revolutionary times. Wow.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yeah. The Jersey Devil story is I think seventeen thirty
five is when you get the story of the Jersey
Devil where the mom which is another great story. Another folklore,
great story where the woman had twelve kids. Then she
found out I'm going to have a thirteenth and she said,
this kid's gonna be the devil. And I'm like, and

(25:41):
she gives birth, it turns into the devil and flies
to the chimney. Right, It's like, I mean, it was
seventeen thirty five. You know, they didn't have cable, so
they had you know, they just kept having kids.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Right right right, And it's like and back then, I
hate to say people they were superstitious or god knows,
maybe it was a baby that was born with some
type of problem, you know, anything. Yeah, but I'm telling
you that. And this is the thing. Sometimes you realize,
like you said some stuff you could tell, oh, this

(26:15):
is a tall tale. And then other people whether how's this,
whether what they saw is accurately what? To them, it's
the truth. What they saw something that wigged them out completely,
whether maybe let's say it could have been a bear,
but yeah, whatever they saw, they think, this is not a.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Beer exactly, And like with the sounds, could have been
a giant condor or a giant eagle. Yes, bigger bird
than they expected. I don't know. I mean, it got
like I mentioned the Wizard of South Mountain. One of
the things he did, one of his h powers is
he dispelled the fear of the darkness of night, and

(26:56):
that was one of the things. And then I was like,
what does that mean? Like people are scared. But then
as I researched it, I found out what they meant
was the monsters that live in the darkness of night.
So he would go people were afraid of, like I said,
the snowy gas are in the dway on the snort
of yow. He would go and put like a hex.
And to clarify, back then, hexes weren't always bad. Like

(27:19):
I know, when we hear the word hecks, we think
a bad spell. But back then a hex was just
basically a spell. It could be to do good or
to do bad.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Right, because I believe the Dutch the power hours they did.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what and that's what he was.
He was that he did pow wows okay, and that's
where his you know, I didn't know if you'd know,
if I threw out the word powow, people would be like,
what are you are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, no, they they they and yeah, Dutch Germany German Dutch, right,
and they they have like a It was a big
tradition there as far as I believe, when either people
were sick or when strange stuff was happening, that kind
of thing, you would go look up for a power

(28:02):
er to like, you know, take care of the problem
for you find out where the source was. Yeah, it
was if somebody had somebody you need somebody to contract them.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Yeah, yeah, do another hecks to under. Yeah. And if
you go up into Pennsylvania, even in Maryland and Virginia
and Ohio, you'll see these old barns and they have
those giant stars and yeah, everybody's like, oh yeah, those
are really pretty story and they don't realize that was
actually that's the heck star is what it's called. And
it was the ward off and it's basically and there

(28:34):
are people are like a ward off evil spirits. I well,
it wentn't beyond that. They because they did believe in
all these monsters. So it was to ward off each mind.
And most of them, if you look at them now
if you're buying, they're made out of ten. But they
were iron. They were like you know, and they weren't
as big, but they were smaller iron stars because iron, yes,
off the different creatures.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
So yes, yes, yes, and those were like yeah, there
was like there wasn't there wasn't anything. How can I
say dark or cult in the sense of the what
we think of it now.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
They were like us as talismans or amulets, you know
in the run of the mill. Uh, you know, against
the farm, animals at your farm and all these things
to keep everything safe, because I know people sometimes will
get like, let's say your cow stopped producing milk. You
know that they'd be looking for like whose fault is this?

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, exactly, like who put a hex on my cow?

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Who put a hex on my cow? Exactly?

Speaker 2 (29:32):
I mean that's kind of where the Bell Witch thing.
I don't know if you know that, Yes, yes, of course,
I mean it's very that that was the kind of
like where that all went was like he blamed the
lady for his misfortune and then she just made it worse.
And and so you know, you like you don't want,
don't don't piss off people like you know.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well and that let me tell you that that Haunting
of the Bell, which was always really weird because it
had so many people that came around to witness it.
Yeah you're thinking, okay, Well, I mean, yeah, some people
might be primed and other people are lying, but not
that many people altogether. Something have been going on there.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Oh yeah, yeah something. Yeah. I think what I really
think happened was she probably was kind of into the
pale all type stuff and knew how to do stuff.
And I think he the the whatever I can't remember
his name, mister Bell, was kind of from all accounts,
he was kind of a jerk, and he was kind

(30:36):
of rede to his own family, and I think he
pissed this lady off and kind of blamed her for things.
And then she goes, oh, you think I'm doing it? Okay,
well guess what I'm about to do it?

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, right, I get a load of this all right.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
You think I'm bad? Okay, I'll say like it. I mean,
and it's kind of you kind of understand that mindset.
It's like, okay, you're blaming me for all this. Okay,
now I'm going to show you what's really gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
So let me ask this thing. Gary. Have you run
across in your research something that they call the white thing.
I think it's Virginia, West Virginia.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, the white Thing. It's in West Virginia, Okay,
West Virginia. Yeah, it's a white thing. It's also they
also call it sheep squatch, yes, the other name that
it has. Yeah, that's another way and that and that's
a cool One's Virginia has some cool stuff, man.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I know. But it usually like a bunch of people
have sighted it, like it's been around for a while.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, they have multiple people seen that. The another one
that multiple viole seen is known as Braxie.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I haven't heard what is that?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
All right? That one's another weird one. Uh. It kind
of it's kind of like an alien. But it's this
creature that had green face and a big like red
outfit and like multiple people spotted this thing and it
wigged them out. And this was I think nineteen fifties okay,
and it kind of flowed it. It had no feet,

(32:02):
like a gliding motion, yeah, gliding in the woods. But
like you said, but yeah, the sheep Squatch or the
white thing is right, Yeah, that's a big deal down there.
And I said, lots of people saw it there. Actually
there's a beer named after it too.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
It's just serious.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Yeah, you can you can buy there's there's a company
in West Virginia that makes all the different cryptids in
West Virginia. They are named after him. I've tried a couple.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Okay, yeah, all right, that's interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
To Western Virginia. Get get their beer. Try it. White
things pretty good white.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Yeah. I had heard that, yeah, like from what I saw,
and I was surprised because I was thinking, well, it's
this like a light colored supposed Bigfoot. But then you said,
like the same. Some people have said that it looks
like either it's got the rams horns or it's got
and I was like, oh that's different.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, yeah, it's and it's not friendly, like right, which
is not very in which the Bigfoot stories are kind
of interesting, like sometimes it's like, oh he's not people
want to hug it, all right, but then when you
actually read a lot of stories, like you don't want
to hug this thing, like none of them, none of
them are good, like they no one that seemed to
encounter them have a good d. Yes, No, it's not

(33:20):
like not like Harry and the Henderson's.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Right, And I think everybody wants them to be the
way they want them to be, Yeah, perhaps not the
way they are. Yeah, and yeah we really don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, like any like you see like most of them
talk about them throwing giant rocks at you, and then
you know, and again that I get into, like I
made fun of the ghost people, so I'm about to
make fun of the Bigfoot people, and they may get
mad at me. But it's the same thing. The people
who are on the shows, not necessarily people who believe

(33:54):
in Bigfoot, right, that the ones who are on the
shows who say the ridiculous things. Again, it bothers me
because they're like they'll say something like, well, as everybody
knows Bigfoot likes this, and I'm always like, well, if
you know that, how come you've never caught you know,
like if you know Bigfoot likes that and does that,

(34:16):
and and the other thing is like they'll do the
like the wood knocking, and or they'll be uh doing
the different howling. And again I'm always in my mind,
I'm I'm kind of like thinking if I were to
go to a foreign country and try to speak their
language and I don't really know it, and then I'm
just saying random dumb things to like if I'm in

(34:39):
front France, and I'm just saying croissant and soufle, right,
and they're and they're like, dude and the best.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
And you're hoping that what you're saying is not like offensive.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, so you're knocking the wood together and you're saying,
I think your mom's ugly. You know, it's like exactly, really,
that's why I threw the rock right exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Well, I spoke to this. I interviewed this gentleman's name
is Jim Smith. He's passed on and he ran a
Bigfoot group since the nineteen seventies out in Alabama. And
one time he told me this story. He had this
lady he knew of. She lived out in Alabama, and
she lived kind of the rural area, you know where
the backyard after you clear an area around your house
and all you got his woods. So she lives here

(35:22):
alone and she's getting in her head about doing those
whoop calls and doing the tree knockings. And I guess
she had opened up a dialogue with him and he
kind of told her that, you know, you need to
be be careful with you know, like whatever. So she's
doing this, and sure enough, he told he related to
me how she started realizing that something was coming into
the yard and she had I guess, like a one

(35:44):
of those you know, poles like lights that you put
out in your yard, like towards the shed. And she
realizes that something like something's out there, and she keeps
out doing it, but something, she says, she doesn't understand. Really.
At one point, she starts getting this feeling that it's
not like like you were saying, this is not the
Henry from the Hendry know, this is not like a

(36:07):
furry animal big Tobacca that wants a hug from me
kind of deal, to the point that then she just
stopped doing it because she says something about it gave
her like this that she was being stalked, and she says,
sure enough, a couple of times she heard something walking
on like the perimeter outside of her house. And then
one time he she had, you know, she had some

(36:27):
porch furniture and it ended up getting like, you know,
like messed up, like something took it, and she said,
I wasn't going out there, and eventually she said she
got she got scared, she realized, and then she just
did not do that again. Eventually just went away. She
lost I think a couple of chickens or something like that.
But up until the point that she started the whoops

(36:49):
and the she had never had any encounter. You know.
It was when she could basically called it in. Yeah,
and for all, you know, like I tell everybody, what
if you're whooping and you're doing a mating call?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yeah, you know exactly, Yeah, what are you?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
He had a big surprise, And but yeah, that's the
same thing, and that sometimes you really don't know who's
listening and how they what they interpret it as, and
who's going to show up. And uh, like I said, yeah,
I know a lot of people. It's a feel good
kind of thing, and everybody wants Bigfoot to be nice,

(37:24):
but that's doesn't mean that's gonna be that.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
I mean just because you want it. Like if you
read a lot of the stories, he wasn't nice. I mean,
like I said, Teddy Roosevelt wrote about Bigfoot in one
of his I mean he called it the hairy Man
because it that name didn't come for a while. But uh,
in the first experience he wrote about, it didn't end
well for the people, Like the one guy got murdered,

(37:49):
the other guy was pretty much wigged out, but they're
encountered in well, it's kind of in my mind, especially
like dealing with cryptige. I got. There's some I believe
are completely made out and there are some like, okay,
there's something, there was something there with Bigfoot. I'm kind
of like, I think there is something out there. Uh

(38:12):
maybe not every time, you know, I thought you said
it could be a bear or whatever, and people just
are really hoping for me. But at the same time,
you don't know what you're dealing with. And it's almost
like like I've never played with a Wiji board for
the simple fact is I don't know who I'm talking
to just in case. Yeah, and so like you said,

(38:32):
like you're communicating with this saying you don't know its intention,
and you don't know what you've just said.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
And you know what, One time I had a guest
and he made he gave me an example. He goes
when we were talking about Wiji boards, and he goes, look,
you know what the way look at a Wiji board.
It's like if you throw a phone inside a prison,
who do you think is going to get to that phone?
It's gonna be the biggest, baddest of all those prisoners.
I was like, Okay, never thought of it that way.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's that's that's a great anality. Yeah, I'm gonna have
to remember that because I've had friends be like, dude, yeah,
just try it. I'm like, that's it now, And mine
was always like I just I don't know who's really
on their side. I don't trust it.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
It might not be anything, it might just be the
But what if it's not the same thing when you
were talking about you know, these people on the ghost
hunts and you know that do that confrontation or they
you know, they they're trying to get it, and I'm like,
you know what, for all you know, there's nothing there,
you know thin area. You know you're trying. But what
if it's not What if you're trying to provoke something

(39:36):
that is maybe you know that if you actually were
able to see it, you'd be like no, no, no,
I'll pass on that.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yes, I and I go in. My thought is like
like with the ghosts, is like whenever they're like it's
children ghosts, I'm like, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Oh my god, Yes, I tell everybody that I said,
you know what when everything and I think I'm going
to tell this from the as a paranormal investigator many
many years. I said, people have a hard time thinking
that a spirit, whether it's human non human, can be
so manipulative as to impersonate a child. We take it
at face value that if it sounds like a child

(40:13):
or identifies itself as a child, it's a child. Of course,
how could it? And I think, do you know what
most normal humans do, Adults with children, Their guard goes down. Yeah,
they immediately think, oh my god, it's a kid. My god.
Well so you know, everybody's yeah, and I go, what,
you might be manipulated? What they don't think you can
they can manipulate you. And everybody's like what, I go,

(40:34):
of course of course they can. So yes, coming back
to what you were originally saying, Yeah, the thing with
the kid, it's like, oh oh boy, all right, okay.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
I mean it's just that that stuff, like I said,
that wigs me out.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I don't know why the monsters don't wig me out
as much. I don't know why that is, but probably
because in my mind is I would be able to
see it coming.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Right right right, I'll tell you what. As far as
cryptos that I'm talking about here, the better note I
would wing out of I salt Bigfoot. But the one
that really is like and I don't know, it's the
dog man thing, the dog man sided that dog. I'd
be like, oh, you know that that's like like I
think will want to eat me, Like because of course
I'm thinking where wolf we've been primed to let's you know,

(41:19):
let's face it, a wolf without the crypted thing, we
know it to be a you know, big predator and
once upon a time used to eat, you know, and
attack people. So I think a basic instinct is like
wolf like uh oh.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Yeah, exactly. And I think a lot of those stories
also came from you know, there is that disease where
people grow yes everywhere And there's a really cool story
and I can't really got the thing's name, but it
was in Scotland, Okay, and it was a dog man
type story. It was a nice dog man. It's like

(41:56):
one of the few where he was would leave food
at people's homes that werelike needy.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
It was supposedly a good hunter because he was a werewolf,
as what they believe. And this was back again in
like the fifteen hundreds, and as I researched that story,
more I think from what I've read is that I
believe that he was came from royalty and he had
that affliction, but he was shunned by his family and

(42:31):
like hidden and not shun as then they kicked him out,
but they kept him hidden and he would go out
and help the people right at night. And so he's
one of the few dog men. I wish I could
have marbered the name, but it just completely slipped.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Out of the r right. And people don't realize that
back then the family like they did that was especially
you know, if you had aristocracy or you were important. Yeah, yeah,
you know, if if you weren't insane. But in this case,
something like that, they they didn't want you around. They they,
like you said, they kept you hidden because pretty soon
people were gonna think, hey, you know, we're gonna be

(43:07):
that family. Nobody will want to marry us one of
our people because the bloodline or some stuff like that.
So I can see I could see that definitely happening
as far as you know.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
And and what they didn't realize is the way they
were doing the bloodline is probably that's why they had
all these problems because.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
That yeah, yeah, yeah, too much. Yeah, they wanted to stay,
to stay too close to the even now we see
it with dog breeds. If they're too pure, they get
a bunch of weird problems. Yeah, that's why I have
all my dogs are MutS, MutS like that. Sometimes I

(43:47):
look and go, I don't even know what you are.
You know, sometimes you can tell them. Some dogs might
have like who knows, But there's some did you God,
there was one cryptid that he the me that's it?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, yeah, Van meter Iowa.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Yeah, yeah, did what did you find out about that?
Because that was it was like an isolated sighting and
then it stopped.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
That Yeah, that was in the night. That was again
in the early nineteen hundred and I did a whole
I did a whole episode. And that's another cool story. Okay,
so that creature when you hear description, had a glowing horn,
had wings, was humanoid, and it terrorized the town and

(44:32):
thing it was in October Okay, I can't remember the
exact dates. But with that story is another one where
all these prominent people saw.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
It right right right, I heard something that.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
In the whole town, like like the sheriff saw it,
and it what was interesting, like I think a doctor
saw it. First, he reported it and they're all like, dude,
he was probably drunk. And then the next night the
sheriff saw, and then some other and then all these
fuel saw it. And what's fascinating with it? I believe

(45:04):
the sheriff shot at it and it did nothing like
it just like they He shot it, and he was
about five feet away from it when he shot it.
The thing actually leaped from one building over a street
which was about twenty feet apart. It was actually shot
also with a shotgun. It did nothing, and so eventually

(45:28):
it was chased into a mine in Van Meter and
they collapsed the mine on it and it was never
seen again after that. So I started because I was like, okay,
what what could have been? So I was trying to
figure out what this thing could have been, and I
was like, okay, maybe it was a guy and he

(45:49):
had a bulletproof vest and that's why. And so I
started researching that. And yes, there was a bulletproof vest
available at that time. But the problem is it would
have cost basically like a hunt in their currency, one
hundred thousand dollars to.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
That's a lot. Yeah, back then that would have been
imagine also wants to wait a lot.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, it did. It did. It was almost like a
suit armor, and I was like, okay, who's gonna buy
that just to prank a town? And the thing and
whoever it was was super agile and was able to run,
jump and fly, and.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
So you know what, and that's like you said, all
the upstanding citizens, you know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, it's all yeah, all the legit guys who would
not want to be known for seeing this thing solve it.
And then it got to a point where not only
the these prominent guys, the whole town solid at one
point and salt and go into the cave and they
blew the cave up.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
You know what's really funny is that if that would
happen today, to be people, no, don't kill it, don't
shoot it, and over there they're like, hey, give me
a shotgun. Yeah, which the blow up the mine. Nowadays
it'd be like no, you know, and then you know
the big back then, it was like whatever it is,
it's jumping around and it's got one big guy who're
getting rid of it.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, we gotta get rid of this thing. It's like, yeah,
freaking out the town. And then and that's another one
where then that story kind of went away. They didn't
talk about it much, and then in the nineteen nineties
it cooked up. Now they have a van Meter festival, okay,
and then you know, now they celebrate it and it's
right right, they love their monster. Now.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, well that's something like the Mothman thing that it
took off far beyond I think what the original intent
was of it.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Oh yeah, exactly. I mean when it originally they were
scared to death of it, like I guess, you know,
people died because of the bridge collapsing, and they believe
some moth man has either was an omen to what
it was going to happen or did it right. And
so for like there's about a good fifteen twenty years

(47:58):
where they didn't really want an they do with it.
And now again now that like you said, they have
that big beautiful statue.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Yeah, they have a museum and.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
The Yeah, and they have a whole festival I think
the whole weekend. Yes, it's a good time.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah. They can't make up. Is it a portendant or
you know, does it warn or is it that if
you see it, that's it you're doing? Like forget it?

Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah, or yeah so and then I'm sorry ahead, oh
no that I know there's other supposed sightings of a
similar creature, like at other places people said they've seen it,
like at in Chicago and New York.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yes, lately, there's been these sightings around Chicago And I
was like, what mothman in Chicago? What?

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah? And I don't know of anything bad time. I
do know that that bridge that collapsed in Baltimore. Uh
really supposedly oh wow, No, one said they spotted the
month man in the Baltimore a creature like the month
Man in Baltimore a week before that bridge.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Collapse, you know where they said they saw something, which
is like the whether it's a flying humanoid or like
that mothman kind of like deal like you because you
get like, was prior to when Chernobyl melted down?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
I did it?

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yes, like over and Russia.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Right, and who's gonna go and find out it's like no, yeah,
that that was one of the things that supposedly they
had some sightings just prior to the to the Chernobyl incident.
So is it you know what is it? Is it
a warning or is it it's like yeah with me.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, yeah, and that the end nobody knows like you
or because nobody can talk to it.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Truth is who wants to?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Yeah, I don't want to like.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
That one with the moth Man. It didn't hurt it
any that when they made the movie the Mothman prophecs
that that didn't hurt it any That was a very
way out there movie.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah. I was sad because I really wanted to see
the moth Man in that and then all you saw
were some glowing eyes at one point.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Right, And it's always making you think, is it is
it real? Or are these people all going crazy? Or
what's going on with this? You know? Is it is
this guy just tormented because he lost his wife, you know,
the Richard Gere character. And but then it gives you
these hints like there's stuff going on. It's like, hmmm, yeah,
that was an interesting movie, yeaking outside of the box

(50:24):
kind of deal. But let me ask you as far
as the the thing with the dog men, I know that, uh,
like you said, they have different names sometimes depending and
different like like like the Bigfoot sometimes depending on where
e'xcited what part of the country.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Yeah, like like I know, like well obviously like Bigfoot.
In Florida, they have the skunk Gabe, yes, the Grassman,
hairy Man, wild man, I know in Alabama, and there's
one called which is one of my favorite. They call
it a booger and so, which is funny to me.

(51:02):
Playing then Murphysville mud Monster was a big book. But yeah,
so like with the dog Man, uh, there's they're like
the original name. Obviously there's wolf Man like over in Europe.
But then in America they had the hex Wolf, which
is basically what they called it, and then in my

(51:26):
area they have the hex Wolf, and then it transformed
into the dueo wasn't name for it, and then dog Man,
and I guess the big first real big dog man
incident was in Michigan, and I know there are other
stories of it, but that's why they really first started

(51:46):
calling it a dog man.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
So yes, I got that that that name, that that moniker.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Yeah, and there was a song or something and but
and that's a weird story because at one moment month
said they saw then this DJ said it was a hoax,
and then the DJ said, no, it wasn't a hoax,
and then all these now all these people see.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
The no, there's people are saying that they recant, but
then they say, no, I really was lying when I recanted,
not really when I was, And it's like, okay, whatever,
So there was this was lost somewhere in there, if
there was you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, And the same thing kind of happens with big
Foot too, Like people some people are like, oh, I
saw this, and then they're like, no, it wasn't. And
then later that go gay it was, and you know,
it's like, I don't know people. I think people get
nervous about this kind of stuff because they don't want to.
At one point they're like, yeah, it's cool to be associated,
and they're nervous, like wait, people think I'm crazy, so

(52:42):
I recan't Then they're like, you know, and I can't
take it. Yeah, this this really happened, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah, like yeah, humans, right like wherever the truth lies
is like yeah, once your credibility is shot, it's really
difficult to get it back. You know when it comes
to that. If you're going to say the story, stick
to it, you know what, I really stick to it.
The the the what you gonna call it? As far
as the skunk ape here in Florida, what are people.
A lot of people don't realize is that out on

(53:09):
the Everglades sometimes you can it comes up only to
your knees. You know, everybody sees people in airboats. You
know that they have these hammocks you can jump down
and basically in some of these places walk around. You
say it without an air boat. It's kind of like muddy,
but you can get around out there. It's not like
deep water that you're saying, well, how can this thing
get around?

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah, and if it lived there, it probably knows the area,
and so I mean, you know, and it's it is
an animal, and animals are smart about knowing trails where
they get environment and that that's the funny thing is
like people don't realize that like early Americans and Native Americans,

(53:48):
they would fall animal trails because the animal trails would
lead them to water. And so it wasn't like we
invented the idea of roads. It was like animals had
already done. They knew, Okay, this is the area where
will we go to hunt. This is the area where
we sleep, This area where yes, they had made. So
the humans were like, okay, I'll.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Follow these trails, which is a smart thing to do.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Yeah, because like animals are going to take you to
the necessities, you know, they're not going to take you
to the ones. They're going to take you to the needs.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, the water and water is one of them for sure,
A watering hole, that's like super super important. But I
think that. And the other day I read something which
I hadn't read. This happened this lady she had a
sighting of bigfoot in twenty fourteen something like that, like

(54:41):
way back. My god, what was her name? But anyway,
she turned around and she sued the department like the
I guess the equivalent of ficial wildlife in California. Yeah,
because they needed to recognize bigfoot, you know, like in
other words, they needed to recognize it as a real species.
I've never heard of the sheep she passed away suddenly

(55:02):
from a heart attack or something like that. But I
had never read about this, and I'm like, you know what,
I don't think that they would ever do that short
of either a carcass or a live animal.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, I don't think they ever will.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
But yeah, well I was like, wow, I go, whoever
a lawsuit? I don't think they must have been like no,
lady it's like, no, we're not going to do that.
She had had her own experiences, she had had sightings.
She said she was with her daughters and she had
had a couple of sightings. This is what she was
basing it on. And and I was like, you know what,

(55:39):
And this is the thing fishing. There's so many groups
and individuals running around out there trying to prove that
Bigfoot exists. That believe me, they're gonna they're going to
find a suit long before you know, fish and wildlife does.
They're not going to spend all this time all there.
You know, they're running around trying to take care of
poachers and animals and all this other They're not going

(56:00):
out there to try to, you know, prove that that
the bigfoot exists. And but yeah, you know what, sometimes
I look at it, I go, is this really an animal?
Is it more human? Like? I mean, there's so many
theories out there. Yeah, And I think along the same
line as when you see other types of cryptids. Do
are the interdimensional things that come from another dimension? That

(56:23):
that's why they pop up and then they disappear?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
And I had I've talked to some people about that,
Like the whole idea of at least big Foot being interdimensional.
And I find that interesting because, like you said, it,
like you said, it pops up, disappears so fast, and
you don't you don't ever see clear footage of it.
And one of the interesting theories on that that I've

(56:49):
run into is that they if it is interdimensional, if
it's from a different dimension, the wavelength that it lives
on is probably different than ours, so its body is
vibrating at a different rate, and so when it comes
into our world, camera can't focus on it because it's

(57:10):
similar to like, uh, the Stealth Fighter and stuff, where
it had this paint on it and the angles so
that camera couldn't properly.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
And so I never thought of that this.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Creature from a different dimension and it's vibrating in a way,
you'll never get a clear shot.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Even if you get one, all you're gonna get is
some fuzzy whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
And then and that's been like a theory that I've
run into, and I and I was like, well, that's true.
I go, that makes the most sense to me.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yes, yes, let me ask you. The one of the
ones of the cryptis that it's like an overlap, is
like the thunderbo birds and yeah, or you know, like
and sometimes you get I've heard of the stories where
it looks like a dinosaur, like you know, the leathery wings,
and then I've heard of sightings where it's like a

(58:00):
very very large bird as in with feathers, right, but
just really have you come across stories about that?

Speaker 2 (58:08):
And I have? And what's really cool, okay, and that
I find that I find cool is that now, according
to paleontologists, most the dinosaurs had feathers.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Wow. Yes, I had once heard of that, and I said,
but it just never dropped off the map. So they're
coming around to that idea. Huh.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Yeah, So did the terror stor actually have leather wings
or did it have feathers? And so the thunderbird being
these giant yes, and when you when you see some
of the paintings that the Native Americans did of them, yes,
they look kind of like a terror stare, like it
has the head and that beat kind of thing, but

(58:51):
it has feathers and wow, So then I made me
it's made me wonder about that as well as if
you look at this kind of falls into the same
thing with dragons. When you see a painting of a
dragon from like the Middle Ages, when people are like,

(59:12):
there's no way that ever happened. Well, the drawings, there's
a lot of drawings that look like what we know
dinosaurs to be, except they have feathers or they have
these wings, and it's like, well, we know they didn't
have that. Well, now paleontologists are saying, well, like one
of the an interesting one to pantologists, just like two

(59:32):
years ago said perhaps the small arms on the Transurce
wrecks weren't arms but were wings.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
When you look at like they's comparing it to I
think to an emu or something that it's it's when
you see the skeleton of emu, it looks like it
has ty low arms, but those are twins and it
was a flightless bird. But they're like, was the Transorce
wrecks had wigs? It was flightless? Right, had these giant weight.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
But it was a break Yeah exactly. That's so interesting.
I mean you always look at the the t rex
and it's like, what can I do with this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
You know, like, hello, what was the point at? Yeah?
But then when you see what like an email or
an ostrich does like when it's facing off against something else,
that pulls its wings out spreads them to make it
look even bigger. Yes, it might have also been a
defensive thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Then of course if it's lined with feathers. Absolutely, Wow,
that is such an interesting concept that that explains a
lot like why would this huge dinosaur, this carnivorous dinosaur
be running around with two little front you know, it's
not these powerful hind legs, but it's got these two
But that makes a lot of sense. Where Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
The whole dragon ning to me is interesting because you
also get into like Marco Polo m h And if
you've read his book or his tail, he talks about
all this stuff as he went across, you know, from
Italy over to China, and as he talks, he's very descriptive,
and archaeologists and everything are like, oh, yeah, that's real,

(01:01:06):
that's real, that's real, that's real. Then he gets to
this point where he talks about dragons in China and
how the Chinese emperor has a dragon pulling his chariot
and he has a guy there that's paid to be
a dragon tamer, and he talks about all that and
they're like, all this is true. But then when he
talks about that that's not real.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, Like why would he start lying about that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
And it's only it's one chapter, right, And they're like
like this one chapter is all made up and you're
like why, And we don't know what he's seen, Like
it could have been big komodo dragons, just a giant
lizard of some kind. The thing is the way he
describes it, it was very similar to kind of like

(01:01:51):
a triceratop. It's how he describes really, Like he talks
about it having like a shield head.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Or something, and that's not a commodo right there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
No, but it been some kind of big but it
could have maybe they put a shield on it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
But you know, you look at a lot of the
Chinese art and they have incorporated the dragon, a very
fierce looking dragon by the way, into their art. Yeah
that you think. Okay, So, how like you said, these
different civilizations or cultures that were hundreds or thousands of
miles apart, they have some representation of a dragon like creature.

(01:02:26):
How where did they get this idea from? Coincidentally?

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Yeah? Where they And they're like, uh, this this one
also flying really cool? Is the unicorn? Yes, so we
all think of unicorn right now, Like if you hear unicorn,
people think of a white horse with a horn, and
it's gotten windows and it's psychopy and it's so pretty.
Everybody loves it. Well, we now know, like if you

(01:02:52):
go back to old stories of unicorns, they weren't they
were scared of unicorns. It wasn't like it was a
happy thing. And even in the Bible, in the Bible,
there's a mention of the unicorn in the Book of Job.
I mean there's also dragons.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Right, The only one that could tame it was a maiden.
That was the thing. Everybody was scared of it, Like yes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
So, but like everyone's afraid of them in it. But
now they know that there was a creature known as
and they call it now the Siberian unicorn, and it
was a relative of the rhinoceros, but it was furry,
kind of like the looly mammoth. But it had one
single horn coming out of its head. And it was

(01:03:32):
discovered I think it was discovered in the like nineteen seventies,
nineteen eighties was the first one they found, but it
didn't get there. Still not sure because but now they've
found more, and because they weren't sure if it was
just like a deformity of some kind, right, And now
they know this was a real thing, that is so.
And so at one point they actually say that it

(01:03:54):
was all the way through Russia into Europe and down
into Africa, that this creek.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Right, because that that up in Siberias, they've they found
these carcasses which are so well preserved because of the cold.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, and so like now they know, well that was
what are you in my mind? Now, that's probably where
they got the idea for the unicorn, and over time
we turned it into this happy little thing, just like
you know, woly mammis were fearsome creatures. But you know,
you got the movie I say, age everybody loves wily
mammis and once you know, because it's Ray Romano doing

(01:04:28):
the voice, and they think it's a friendly thing. And now, well,
if you ran in one, it would stomp on you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
Well, they there was stories back at the turns of century.
There was some newspaper stories where up in like the
Yukon and up in that area which by the way
out there it's famous for finding mastodon bones. That there
were stories from the Indians and they had a couple
of you know, they had these fur hunters that would
go out there in the middle of like nowhere. Who
was claiming that there were live mastadons, Okay, that they

(01:04:59):
were sighting, Yeah, live mastadons, you know, and I'm thinking abuse, Okay,
this is hard. This is a hard animal to mistake
for anything else. You know. It was like, but that
there were sighting supposedly around the turn towards the end
of the twentieth I mean the nineteenth into the twentieth century,
that the Native Americans in that area also told about

(01:05:23):
seeing them, and that one of them had even tracked
one to the equivalent of like what they call the
Elephants cemetery where they all go to die. Yeah, had
tracked one down there. But it was one of those
things back then, you know, oral you know, as far
as somebody telling you about it, like where was it?
And but that area is replete with mastadon bones all

(01:05:45):
over the place. So yes, that makes you think, you know,
same thing. You know, in other words, that we always
think these creatures if they did overlap with people, it
was they didn't or it was very small time period. Yeah,
And they were saying the same thing for the vampire
bat down in South and Central America. A lot of

(01:06:06):
Messo Americans incorporate the bat the vampire because down there
they do have the vampire bat. Yeah, and that they
were thinking that they found us some fossils like buried
in caves, and that they're thinking that they might have
overlapped with humans like that they're they they left very recently.

(01:06:27):
M And uh, you know, it's like were we ever
that fear of the vampire bat was? That's what drove
it was because I believe it's a very besides the
blood drinking thing, it's a it's a very large bat.
It's a very large bat.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Well. I mean I know also that like a lot
of times when when that you go to like or
like South America or even Africa, and like scientists will
show pictures of these supposed extinct creatures and show a
picture and they will now and they'll give it a name, right,

(01:07:02):
and they're like, oh, yeah, we see that all the time.
It's like up over there, you know, and you don't
want to mess with it. And then people are like
what it's like like but they know exactly what they're doing. Man.
And again, these are people who are living in the
jungles and I don't think they're having a sense of humor, like, oh,

(01:07:23):
this is that right? Like me, let's just make this
up when when a lot of times they're like they
won't like there's certain rivers they won't go on at
certain times a year because of the creature that's there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
You know what I tell everybody. You know how sometimes
you know whether wherever it's at, but let's say the
natives or the people that live in that area, they'll
say that mountain, don't go to that mountain, that mountain,
whatever whatever's going on with the mountain, don't go to
the mountain, and they stay away from the mountain. But
then you have the scientist show up and go where
that mountain. Oh yeah, we got to go out there
and track out there and see what it is. And
it's like, hello, you know the people that live there

(01:07:56):
for years, maybe ages and decades or others are using
stay away from that mountain because there's something that goes
on in that mountain. And you know, sometimes we get
like we need to find out what's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
On there, and yeah, no mess with it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Well, I'm sure you heard of the ones in Russia,
the dialog past people, the ones that they have from
what I understand. They've never really given even though technically
it's been a closed investigation, but they've never really given
a satisfactory answer. Why the bodies were so mangled? How's that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Yeah, yeah, they're messing and like why they were running
around without clothes on? And yes, yes, what something happened?
You know, and they you know, there's so many theories,
but it's like nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Right like and of course among them among you know,
was that they had their version of a bigfoot kind
of monster up there. Yeah, and they they found was
that three of them or four of them, and then
the others they had to wait till the spring thought
came to find the rest of them. But they were
all all of them were uh, you know, their injuries

(01:09:01):
were not they were not like, okay, well something fell. No,
it was like they were harmed. It was very violent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
And I know that like the ones in the spring,
and they pointed out, I know, this part is kind
of odd, is that other animals didn't touch the bodies.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
That's interesting, you know. That's one of those things that
I'm glad you mentioned it, like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
So like meaning that the other animals knew something something
else said So they had no right to it or whatever.
I don't know what it was. But they said they
found the bodies and yeah, there was like from rain
and winter and wind stuff. But but but I'm saying
that that there was like skin torn, but it was
like like wolves should have come by into but they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Well, that's what you hear about these cattle mutilations that
they'll say that normally predators, everybody comes in. Usually with
there's a dead animal, a normal death. Everybody fights to
get a piece of the carcass. And they say they
just they say, some of these ranchers out there, they'll say,
we just got to leave it out there and nobody's

(01:10:10):
gonna come. They won't touch it. None of the predators
that usually come, coyotes, nobody does ticks it, which is
really weird, Like what do they know or what do
they sense about it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yeah? Is it? Is it a trap to get more?
You know? It's like what is you know?

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
And this is the thing. Most of these, like I said,
animals out there, especially predators, they spend most of their
time looking for food. That's what it's all about, you know.
And normally something like a cattle is like you're gonna
have everybody coming in to get a piece of it.
And when it basically they the randers from one understand,
have to leave it the carcass out there and let

(01:10:47):
just let it decay by itself and nothing's gonna touch
it or take away the bones or scatter it nuts,
forget it. And I've always thought that that that's like
what is it about these? And I know they've taken
tissue from some of them and tested them, like is
it does they have a disease? And maybe the predator thinks, okay,
for somehow their instinct knows this is a sick animal.

(01:11:09):
They go, No, they've tested the tissues and it's not
like a sick animal.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Yeah. The predators what they can't explain it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
They can't explain it, Like what is it that there's
so many mysteries out there?

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Yeah, and then also like parts of the insides are
gone and they can't figure.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Out why it's they they say the parts that are taken,
they say are usually the less desirable, less of the
whole entire cow. You know, you know how they have
those diagrams what they take, which is the tonsils, the
tale of the uterus or whatever they say they say,
these are the basically the trash part of a cow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, that you wouldn't want.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
That you wouldn't want, or if they sell it, it's
like it's very cheap. Mm hmm, Like what what is that? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Who's who wants?

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Who wants that? I mean, of course looking at it
through our perspective, but yeah, some of those things out there,
and it's not only cattle basically, it's any of these
animals that they have found that had sometimes of what
they call et mutilations, And we really even don't have
a good explanation for that at this point. Yeah, you know,

(01:12:18):
like how many cows do you need to kill to
figure what out? That's at least.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
As why are they flying all this way just to
kill a cow?

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
And how many times are you gonna kill one? Exactly?
So I don't know. Sometimes that's a very unusual and
from what I understand, I've read that, uh, some of
these ranchers who have had these ranches for years, they said, hey,
aren't you gonna call the police or whoever? And they
go before in other words, at this point they realize,

(01:12:48):
I'm gonna lose x amount of cattle to this. There's
nothing I can do about it. Nobody's gonna come out here,
give me an answer, help see the cow. Nothing. So
they're just like they deal with it. Yeah, there's nothing
they can do about it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Yeah, they're just losing money, right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Like you know how you when you have you know,
you have a you always factor in a percentage of
loss from what I understand and I from and I
know that some of these cattles, they can be quite
expensive depending on the bloodline and things like that. And uh,
and of course we're getting back to the thing of
the bigfoot. You know, you always hear also these hunters

(01:13:24):
where their kill is carried off by a bigfoot or something,
you know, And what's the god what was I want
to say? It's a cryptied puck puck wedgie? Is that it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah, okay, that's a really wasn't there recent sightings of that?
Or is that one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Some people claim to see that. They're small little things.
They kind of look like a mix between a porcupine
and uh an elf. Okay, And but but they're not
nice and they're not friendly. Uh, they're mischievous, and they

(01:14:10):
they're known for like trying to push you off cliffs
in trails and all right, okay, I try to remember
the guy's name, Hawthorne. I think that's again the author. Yeah,
Nathaniel Hawthorne wrote a poem and he mentions the pun

(01:14:33):
really yeah, I think it's the song of Hiawatha.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Okay, okay, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Interesting because, uh, and the thing that's weird, like, originally
puck wedgies and humans were friendly. They liked each other,
they along. I can't remember what happened, but suddenly they
became enemies. And it's a Native American and but yeah,
they were they. Yeah, they messed around.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
You know what that thing about mischievous pushing you over
a side of a cliff, it's a little bit beyondous.
You're being very nice there they've messed with you, and
they're like there you go. And so yeah, right, this
is this is along the lines. You know, you hear
about fairies that they're mischievous, but never make a deal
with them, with one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Of them, because you're gonna get the.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Right They're gonna you're gonna get the short end of
the stick on that deal some somehow or other.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Yeah, it's never well, just like with the leprechauns getting
their pot of gold. It never right ends up. Well,
like you don't want to mess with that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Yeah, and it's incredible. I don't know if you read
about that story. This was maybe like one hundred years ago,
I want to say, was that Scotland or England we
had these two little girls that supposedly they had taken
pictures of these fairies.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Right, And I mean everybody got in on this. This
was like adults were like somebody were I know that
this was that the girls had supposedly done cutouts and
put them in the lawn and taking pictures. I don't know. Yeah,
and they never as far as I know, I mean,
the girls eventually grew up, but they never said if
they had done it as.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
A prank and it just they never. Yeah, they never.
And when I've seen the pictures and they're fascinating and
very cool, I don't know. I mean, if they did
it at that young age, they were amazing artists.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Right and this you know when something like and it's like, boy,
we can't say now that we about this trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Yeah, like you look at it and you're like, man,
they didn't even have photo shot back then, and they
were like I go, they won. They were really good artists. Two,
they were really good photographers. Exactly, they were younger than
my daughters. And I'm like, so some for me, it's
one of those it's like I like it, what what

(01:16:57):
was going on there?

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
Like exactly exactly like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
They they never came clean and said, oh yeah that
was us joy you know, they just right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
They never grew up and said, oh, by the way,
you know what that that stuff that we pulled back
like a few years ago, that was it was all
make believe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Yeah. So it's like that's another yeah, crazy story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
And to finish off, Gregory, what can you tell me
about the luckness that we haven't heard already? Which is
a lot because every once in a while it goes away.
And I think I saw, like a couple of months ago,
somebody took a picture or something.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
Yeah, they recently took another picture of it, and there
there's there's a group going back to it. There's a
To me, it's a h I mean, it's your like,
it's your gateway Cryptid right, that and that and Bigfoot?
But uh he I mean the very I mean, the
very first story of uh lockness is Saint Columba, which

(01:17:50):
again is another story where you're like, dude, didn't need
to write about it. It didn't help him out in any
way to record this. He was he was from Ireland,
came to Scotland and was trying to convert the Picks,
I think that's what they are called. And they were
a very fierce group and they they weren't going to

(01:18:13):
become Christian. But then he was down by the lock
with one of his followers. The Locknus monster attacked his follower.
He stood up to it, fought it back and said
go away by the power of God or whatever he said, right,
and the thing fled. Well, the Picks saw this and

(01:18:35):
they converted to Christianity because of this incident. And then
Sat Columbu wrote about it and just sort of put
it in his monastery and the Picks built a monastery
monastery for him. And so that's the first story. But
like when you think about the Picks were pagan, they
were and they want nothing, knew of God, and suddenly

(01:18:58):
they turned because Christian build a monastery for Saint Columba
because of him fighting the Lockness.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
Monster, convincing in os and they.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
And they well they claim to see it happened, right,
they saw it all go down, and you're like, well,
something happened there because these guys were fierce killing Christians,
all replaced and something they change their mind.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Yes, you're exactly what happened, What happened that would make
them do that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Yeah, and so there. I do know that in the
locks there are all these tunnels, and they believe a
lot of these tunnels do go out to the sea.
So I've been trying to figure this out because I
think there is a cycle of when the Lockness Monster
is seen in the locks, and uh, I'm I kind

(01:19:53):
of in my theory isn't just a theory, and it
could be wrong. I think this creature lives out in
the ocean, comes back to the lock for mating, kind
of like salmon go up the stream and they mate
and then they go out in their back in the ocean,
and I think the lock is where they may lay
their eggs whatever, and then they leave. Yes, So like

(01:20:14):
it seems to be they're only seeing certain they're not
seen all year round at certain times of the year,
so I think they come in via tunnels. But yeah,
recently someone saw took a picture of something that yeah,
like whatever it was, it was huge, Yes, and it
was a series of pictures and you kind of see
a flipper and it was big.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
And it was like right exactly. And let me tell
you something that is true. A lot of animals when
they're gonna lay their eggs or give birth to their young,
they would go to a place like this versus the
open ocean where they could lose the offspring. It's like
that makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Yeah, And a lot of creatures go back to the
same spot. Yes, and then it's generational and they like
the next generation goes back to it's rise more and
they are eggs and and we don't know what the
like the gestation period is of when they can do
because it could be like these things could be old
and maybe they live like a hundred years.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
For us, it's like yeah, and they and they may
maybe when they're in their eighties. And you know that's
why it's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
It's us for us to gauge. You know, maybe they
reach sexual maturity at age one hundred. I mean as
far as for procreation purposes, because maybe they live five
hundred years just you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
I have no idea, so yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
I had not heard that story about say the Columba
and that the Picks all become Christianized because of him.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Uh that, yeah, Like it's I find that fascinating, like
those yes, yes and again I yeah, And it didn't
other than and he didn't tell the story to the pics.
They witnessed it, and he wrote down in his story
he said the reason they came is because they saw

(01:21:59):
me do that, and then he never went on to
talk about like it was kind of lost to time
for a couple hundred years and all of a sudden,
you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
What like exactly exactly exactly? And yeah they uh, I
mean a lot of different The people don't realize that.
You know, even when the Romans were out there and everything,
the people they were steeped in their own Bagan religion,
you know, their identity, whether it was the Celts or whatever,

(01:22:28):
and they were not having none of this, like you know,
we're going to become you know, Christianized, Like no, you know,
no or not? So that's very very interesting. God. Wow,
So let me ask you. You said you've got you've
got ten volumes planned. Are you coming out soon with
any new book or did you just release anything?

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Oh? I got volumes one through four here and you're
all color coordinated different Okay. And then I recently I
said I'd never do it, but I did write a
big book and it's called Watching Me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
It's a fictional book. Uh. I was watching uh a
Jane Goodall documentary where he is with the Apes, Okay,
and I in my mind, I thought it would be
funny is instead of apes, I did it with Bigfoot.
So me going and living with Bigfoot for like three years,

(01:23:30):
and so it's a it's fictional, but it's like it's
just like a story of what happened with me and
Bigfoot in the wilderness, and so it all it goes
along the lines of Bigfoot friendly to an extent.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
But but it's just kind of a goofy. But yeah,
I plan on getting a book volumes five and six
by the end of this year.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
So I have all the drawings done and all the stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
And I love the title for your books. What what
was the first one? Was it The Happy Monsters?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Yeah? Yeah, it's all Happy Little Monsters. And then all
of them are Happy Little Monsters, D two, three, and
four and so and they're all on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Okay. Okay, they tell you something. The I think that
I think that there's a lot of stories out there
again that we look at them and go, oh, that
that can't be true. And then you know, when you
really start reading into it, you think it's God have

(01:24:36):
seen something that was something there that made these people
like actually write about it or put house this, put
them put themselves out there, which they can because people
don't realize back then, people didn't forget about that stuff.
Like you were the guy that said that you saw
the whatever, like the the thing on the building with

(01:24:57):
the one eye, you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Know exactly, Yeah, that thing that you yeah you said
it eight and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Yes, yes, yes, let me see if I can hold
on a minute. I wanted to show everybody you're let
me see. Uh, here we go. These are your books
over on Amazon. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
Oh yeah, also have a Christmas book?

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Oh you do?

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Okay, Yeah. The creatures are stirring and it's all like
the Christmas monsters.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
Oh wow, that's great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
A couple ghost stories.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Excellent, excellent. Okay, so you're you're going to be, oh,
here's that sasquatching me. That's excellent. Wow, this is great.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
So let me ask you, is the ghost book that
my friendship wrote. Okay, put it together.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
For Okay, all right, so you're going to as far
as you're going to be putting out man ten volumes,
you must have so much mature you must be a
great researcher.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Yeah, I love doing it. It's one of those like
because a lot of these stories are really old and
they're kind of getting forgotten.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Sure, yes, I believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
That's kind of that's kind of why I want to
write them all down, because everybody knows, like you said,
Bigfoot and.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Lock yeah right, right, but you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
Know about the ding dingle.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Neck never heard of it. I never heard of it, or.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
The Kapa Lobo. And there's all these like monsters all
over the world that people talked about and now are
like kind of fading away and because people just aren't
keeping them together.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
So you're right, And a lot of these things, it's
depending on what part of the world. In some cases,
it's an oral tradition. Yeah, there's no writing per se,
So what you unless you know somebody from that part
of the world for them to tell you, Oh, yeah,
there's the story of the whatever blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Yeah, and what I tried to do is I tried
to go back to like the first iteration of the
creature because a lot of times, like the stories are
told and then it gets bigger and bigger and things
change on it. So I try and go back, like
when I do the artwork for it, because I do
all the artwork for it as well. Oh you do, Yeah,
I try and go back to the first sighting, so

(01:27:13):
like whatever it was described the first time it was seen,
that's where I go with the look. So like when
you get to like I have like the like Greenee
from New York, which is kind of like a really
like kind of a locked ness. So I went to
the original how it was described, because as it got

(01:27:36):
it became this huge thing which would have been impossible
to have existed in this lake. But the original wasn't
as big, but it was still terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
But you know, right right right. But then, but like
you said, the original one sounds more plausible as far
as for the setting of where they're seeing this thing. Yeah,
now that you mentioned that, Oh god, it's this little
town in California called Long Pine. It's basically a ghost
town and it's been used as a movie set, like

(01:28:07):
from the twenties and even into modern times. But they
had a lake out there because it was basically what
it was, mine's out there that had a high alkaline
and poric acid. Basically it could go through leather. And
that was that. That one time they had a sighting
with a sea serpent in it and I was like, what,

(01:28:29):
how the heck, how's that gonna work? And they had
a couple of miners and this other guy who ran
one of the mills also saw it, and I was like,
first of all, how did it get there? And number two,
how could it, you know, exist inside this this lake
that's like, you know, it could choot through leather. But yeah,
that's what I'm saying. Sometimes you hear somebody exciting and like,

(01:28:50):
I don't know about that. I think you found that
at the bottom of a bottle. You know, that's where
you saw it. You didn't see lake.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
Like they said in Ireland, if you want to see
a leprechaun, drink before you go out.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
There you go. Definitely you'll see something. Again. Gregory has
been absolutely wonderful to speak to you for my podcast listeners.
What's the place they can find you at?

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
Well, you can I'm on Instagram and it's uh and
I post up there all the time. That's uh g
G underscore, Fedora, Underscore, Crypto, Okay, the other places. On YouTube,
I'm on there all the time. And if you just
type in the Fedora files you'll find me as well

(01:29:34):
as on Spotify. I have a I do a podcast
tell I tell different folklore stories. It's basically what I
do on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:29:43):
So and and is that under the Fedora files.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
Yeah. Yeah, if you just do the Fedora files, you'll
find on YouTube. You also find on Spotify and wherever
else you know people listen to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
I'll put I'm gonna put a link anywhere in the
credits of the show. But again, thank you so much,
and I want to wish you the best of look
and all your projects.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's been fun.

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
Yeah. Absolutely, I'm going to keep an eye out and
bring you back so we could just some discuss some
of those those cryptis nobody's ever heard of, never never
heard some of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
Oh yeah, I'll put together a list.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Excellent, all right, thank you, take care.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
Wow, that was great. Let me tell you something. It's true.
Everybody's got this the on the treadmill of you know
a dog man and Bigfoot, and you know Lockness monster,
and there's a bunch of all these other weird things.
Like you said, sometimes they appear for a little time
period and then that's it and the story, and then

(01:30:41):
there's others that they surface around every once in a while.
And you know, like in other words, that that that
you could even say you could trace back that, Hey,
the original people that were on this land had stories
about it. In other words, it wasn't like a modern invention.
And that thing about it and that thing about the
dinosaurs having feathers, I had heard about that for a while.

(01:31:05):
And again I guess, you know, fossilized if you only
got bone. I don't know how to make that jump
to that. But what he was describing sound like a
possible theory. Let's say, in the for the t rex,
like why these little arms when it cut, because it's true,

(01:31:26):
you know, you spread out wings and it makes you
look more fearsome. That see, that makes more sense. Yeah,
And even now they're discovering it's still discovering some type
of different dinosaurs here and there there there. They might
look like some type something, but they're but they're they're
separate in and of themselves. So I mean there's a

(01:31:48):
lot of the reason why I say this is, you know,
everybody's like all caught up in space exploration. Don't get
me wrong, it's very interesting going to the Moon, going
to maorw you bee. But I think there's so much
here on the planet Earth that's yet to be discovered,
whether it's inside the oceans or if you're like one
of those like me, like I would never see myself

(01:32:09):
in a submarine or nothing like that, there's a lot
of the stuff to be discovered here on the land,
you know, even under ground as far as digging. And
because we think that they've discovered, as let's say, from
from a pale paleontology point of view, that okay, that
most everything has been discovered, and I don't think so,

(01:32:31):
especially especially now that they're realizing that some at the
timelines that they've given for whether it's when man was
around and as far as like I said, they've had
to revise that modern man into bread with Denisovans and Neanderthals,

(01:32:51):
and now they're having to rewrite, like did we overlap
with certain animals that we thought were extinct? Like, you know,
by the time that man came around, these animals were
by and well not too long ago they came out
with the information that they had found all these different

(01:33:11):
basically subterranean what's the I don't want to say passages,
but the subterranean things under the sphinx, all right, that
makes it look like, all of a sudden, everybody's like, oh,
so that's what this is, what this is about? All right?
As far as the uh, because everybody's you know, at

(01:33:32):
one point they said, you know, when they started digging
around the sphinx, for example, they realized that that there
was that it was deeper, and that there was because
of the of the watermarks or the water table or
something like that that they realized, hey, this this has

(01:33:52):
been here longer, or that the how's this? The timing
that we've given on this as far as when it
was built by the Egyptians is not really uh, it's
not really accurate. Okay. In other words, there's a here

(01:34:15):
it is. This came out God, you know what, I'm
here going a couple of months you could tell, I'm
uh no, no, that wasn't it. Oh, come on, the
discovery a small sphinx Okay, underneath finks, Wow, discovery underneath pyramid?

(01:34:38):
Was it the pyramid? Maybe I'm making stuff up here,
it is. I'm sorry, I'm making stuff up. I'm saying
the Sphinx. And it wasn't the sphinx. It was underneath
the pyramid, which is right next to the sphinx. But
in other words, that you know, everybody's always there's always
been a mystery. First, it was supposed that the pyramids

(01:34:59):
were supposed to be obviously a tomb, but they can
never find any proof of the tomb. And let me,
let me see if I can get this up here.
This is out of the New York Posts, and as

(01:35:20):
you can see, there's a vast underground city below Egypt's
Giza Pyramid. Scientists wild theory claims, but experts debunket as
fake news. Let's see researchers claim they've discovered the legendary
halls of a mentee. And this is from March twenty third. Okay,
so I was right about that. We're not even a
month out from that. In a vast city beneath Egypt's

(01:35:40):
Pyramid of Giza. While the theory that has perplexed archaeological experts,
who dismiss the claims as fake news. Italian and Scottish
scientists studying the Pyramid of Coffrey say the ground baking,
groundbreaking study has redefined the boundaries of satellite data analysis
and archaeological exploration. Aptly named the Coffee Project, Corrado Malanga

(01:36:04):
from Italy's University of Pisa and Filippo Biondi of the
University of Strathclyde in Scotland led the expedition, which is
the second largest pyramid Okay. Scientists that they located five
small like structures inside the pyramid using synthetic aperture radar
or SAAR technology. One structure contained a sarcophicus, mistakenly thought

(01:36:27):
to be the pharaoh's tomb, the team said, blah blah blah.
The groups claimed the fife structures, previously unknown before the images,
were found in the center of the pyramid right, and
they're connected to pathways that lead below the surface and
are believed to expose hidden rooms and wells under the
forty five hundred year old Wonder. Electromagnetic signals were turned

(01:36:51):
into phonic data that unveiled larger infrastructure leading down thousands
of feet underground. The eight large vertical structures, theorized to
be wells or shafts, are thought to extend over sixty
five hundred feet across and two thousand feet below ground.
Blah blah blah. Okay. And the reason why I bring
this up is that as it relates to that I

(01:37:16):
is show about cryptids, is that the world of science
and academics. I'm not saying they're always wrong, but a
lot of times they hold tight to their theories, especially
if they've built a reputation on it or a university,
and they don't let go and anything that challenges it,
they're like, no, that's like that what they're saying here

(01:37:38):
that they're debunking and saying that whoever's claiming this is wrong.
And sometimes for I mean, all these studies that they've
done of Egypt and the pyramids and the sphings and
the ah, it turns out that now they're discovering stuff
because of course now we have the technology to do

(01:37:58):
it all right, where it seems that this thing was
being used for something else than just you know, a
nice triangle on the landscape on the horizon right or
as a tomb or as what And again this is
this is one of the things that this is Marlene's
personal theory whenever you see all these ancient cultures, because again,

(01:38:22):
just like in meso America and other parts of the world,
they still can't really explain some of the engineering or
the technology that they used to basically quarry bring the stones.
Even in Stonehenge, they still haven't figured it out the
design that you know, to make it all the way
to the top. They still can't quite understand that. But

(01:38:44):
besides that, that takes a lot of manpower, all right,
And what people don't realize is when you use that
man power, which I imagine maybe they have taken years,
We're really not sure you're taking man power away from
the soldiers. I mean even say, well slave labor. Let
me tell you something, even the slaves were used. They

(01:39:06):
were used to for crops, you know, a contend cattle,
basically sustain or bring in food for the city, okay,
in case it was a lean year. In other words,
this wasn't like a one day thing. So whenever, to me,
I always think, okay, when you pull this much manpower
out of producing for that city or that whatever was

(01:39:32):
there to basically halstones around, and for sure they lost
people along the way just because of accidents. How important
was it that they did that that you know you
might risk being coming up short on food because of
famine because you diverted some of your people to work
on this whatever it is, or digging down in this case,

(01:39:55):
instead of planting food or harvesting or whatever it is,
or hunting, so that in case something happened, you would
have you have food to distribute to your people. All right,
So let me tell you something. Usually that's what brings
out Empires. It's lack of food, all right. When food

(01:40:16):
runs out, it's when everybody is like, that's it. The
gloves come off, and you know, Empires topple. So when
it always I always ask myself what was it that
would inspire them or push them to do this? And
how did they do it? Besides the how part, and

(01:40:38):
coming back to the thing is as far as cryptids
and monsters, a lot of people are like, no, no, no,
that's all made up. And I agree some of these
things you read about and you're like, come on, all right,
this could come straight out of a kid's fairy tale book.
But I think there's a lot of other stuff that

(01:40:59):
who's to say that it did it does not exist
or it did not exist at the point in time
that it was seen and described, you know, because work
quick to say, Oh man, you know, back then people
were superstitious, so they were stupid or they didn't know
what they were seeing. I was like, superstition has nothing
to do with what you see, all right, And like
he was saying when we were talking about the van

(01:41:20):
meter sighting, this thing was seen by all the you know,
the town fathers, everybody, like the sheriff, the doctor, the mayor,
a bunch of people that were that you know, your
credibility had to be good because you had a role
in that town and all of them and one of
them tastes taking a shot at it, all right, Like,

(01:41:41):
you know, why are these guys gonna wake up when
they say, you know what, don't we make up the
story about a creature that with one eye of all
things up on the roofline and uh, it jumps around
and it seems to be bulletproof. Come on, come on,
what is that? So? Yeah, like everything, I guess my
point is, like everything, like even when it comes to archaeology, paleontology,

(01:42:05):
and even the study of cryptozoology. If you want to
get into it. You might dismiss it, but you should
always leave that door a little bit open, because when
you least expect it, the proof that everybody's been saying, well,
because I haven't seen this, or I haven't seen that,

(01:42:25):
it happens, it happens, it's produced, it's produced. So I think,
you know, I think that without leaving planet Earth, there's
plenty plenty to still discover, exploration and discovery here on
planet Earth. How's that a lot of it? God knows.

(01:42:47):
So anyway, guys, I hope you like this episode with
Greg here, check him out. I have a link to
his probably to his main website on the credits of
the show, so if you want to check it out
or on Amazon you can find his books. And also
he's got his own podcast. And again, you know, sign
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(01:43:10):
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all the whole all of my shows from the first one,
which is gonna be eight years ago to now. I
have them all, whether it's the video or the podcast,
whichever you like. And of course you can find me
on all the major podcast platforms, Spotify, iHeartRadio, you name it,

(01:43:32):
I'm there, I FM player, even the ones that you've
never heard of before, I'm there. And besides YouTube, you
can find me on Rumble, you can find me on
cloud hubs, deem It, bitch you blah blah blah blah
blah blah. You know. And the only reason some people say, oh,
you're an I think is it Vimeo or daily Motion.
I can't remember which one of the two is at

(01:43:53):
because they limit you like you can only like upload
like an hour, and it's like a lot of these
shows run for more than an hour, so otherwise I'd
be there too. It's a point. So guys, come back,
thank you for being here with me. And again, I've
got a lot of great guests lined up already for
As a matter of fact, I already started production on

(01:44:13):
season eighteen. Season eighteen of Stories of the Supernatural, Right,
don't miss it out because there's a lot of interesting
stuff going on out there. Until next time, take care,

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