Nomad Exorcist | Interview with Sadhu Dah | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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being part of my audience, and I think you are
all wonderful. So how's everybody doing good? I hope everything
is good here. Let me do my minute dialogue on
the weather in northern Florida. Let me do my complaint.

(01:28):
This is a complaint. Here was I'm putting out my animals.
The weather's warmed up. Everything is great. I'm taking down
I'm dewinterizing a porch where I have all my birds,
my exotics. Everything. I'm like, okay, it's warming up. Even
though it gets a little bit cool at night, It's okay.
All of a sudden, we get the Arctic blast over here,

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you know, and it's like even in Florida, we're dropping down.
You know. When I wake up and the first thing
I get on my phone is one of those weather
advisories like treezy, It's like, come on, I don't know.
Let me tell you some in the last few months
I've had we've had crazy weather. But now that I've
gotten that off my chest because I've been out there

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really like grumpily like putting everybody back away. As you
can tell, that's my reason for bringing this up is
if you hear weird noises, is that I had to
bring some of my more delicate birds inside because I
had the winter rized my porch where they normally are at.
I couldn't leave them out there. So if you hear
some weird because I've got exotic birds, parrots, you name it.

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And for some reason, even though I turned off the light,
they hear my voice and they all like want to
keep on chatting. I don't know if you can hear it,
but yeah, so if you hear a weird noise, that's
what it's from. Also, people had asked me about the
my rescue kitten. Come here, Marnie. Uh, I'm here. I'd
always forgotten this to do. This is this is Marnie. Okay.

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She's all block except a white stomach. And as everybody remembers,
I rescued her when she was like, uh, I'm guessing
she had just turned like a week old, because she
had just barely opened her eyes. She was out in
a farm somewhere in the middle of nowhere in a
country like She's for sure she was gonna be like
gone come nightfall or something was gonna pick her off.

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So yeah, so I have her here, all right. I
can't let her lose because of not you know, I
have my dogs. It'll be like, okay, no, let's not
even go there. It'll be the show will be over quick.
So anyway, yeah, that's what's happening now. And it's kind
of crazy, but you know what is such a life?

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You know it's interesting. You know, if not, it would
be dull. Right, let's look at it that way. Now,
let's get out to the good part. And you know
what I'm talking about, you guys. Right, good part is
who is the guest today at Stories of the Supernatural.
This is the first time that he's here. His name
is Sadu Dah. He's a world traveling digital nomad and exorcist.

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His expertise and the color and esoteric arts have taken
him all across the globe, where he documents his experiences
to cultural and spiritual travel documentaries for major TV network.
He was initiated into multiple ancient traditions and trained invariant
Tailana sorcery lineage under I Hope I say this right,
Master Thana fol Pakti and Master Pong Sak, as well

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as Thailand's most revered masters. His training extends beyond Thailand.
He was initiated as a lama in the Bonpo Tibetan
lineage and as a former student of the Maushan sect
of Taoism under High Priest Wilson Young and Malaysia. He
also holds titles as a High Priest and Whiga practitioner
of Sacham Reiki and a Master hypnotist under the Shambala Institute.

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With a lifetime dedicated to mastering esoteric arkside, Uda offers
powerful rituals, heating sessions, and spiritual guidance drawn from generations
of wisdom. Help me welcome him. You doing today? Let
me ask you, am I pronouncing your name correct? You? Sadu?

Speaker 2 (05:05):
I'm blown away because you're the first person that's actually
pronounced all of that stuff right?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Oh really? Yeah? Okay. I was like, I gotta be
real careful here. I could write massacre this. Let me
ask you the pronunciation of your name.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Sadu dah, Yeah, it's Saduda.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Okay, Okay, I just want to make sure because I
was like, sometimes you're like certain, you know, you pronounce
it your way and then you realize that's not the way.
But anyway, let me ask you, How did you How
did you get interested in this field? Did you start
off with WIKA and then you graduated that or how
did that happen?

Speaker 2 (05:42):
I mean it was all based on experiences I had
with the paranormal as a child that led me.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
To become curious enough.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
When I was in my late teens, and that's when
I jumped onto a paranormal team and this whole thing started.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Okay, let's let's go back. Let's let's do a hot
tup time moment. What happened to you as a kid.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Well, nobody believed me that there was a monster in.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
My bedroom, to the.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Point where I ended up actually being put into psychiatric
care because my mother witnessed me levitating on my bed
and she could not cope with reality.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
So therefore I had to be crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
How old were you then, God, I was.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I was little.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
I think I was like a freak team around that time,
around like thirteen.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Right, right right? She wigged out, She was like.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
What, Well, yeah, I used to sleep with you know,
I found I guess it's just like you know, some
instincts are just didn't you But I found out later.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
The importance of iron. Right, But when I was when.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
I was a kid, I would always sleep with my
door open, okay, because I would see shadows and my
bed would would levitate, and I would have horrible nightmares,
all these kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
But what would.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Always help me was sometimes putting this hammer in between
the door, because the door would slam if I didn't, okay, okay,
And half the time, if I was lucky, the door
would hit the hammer and it would stay like propped open,
and then I could then I could get up and

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I could pathetically try to protect myself when I knew
nothing back then. But one time, when the door slammed,
things got really scary, and I screamed out for my.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Mother, and she came into the room.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
He opened the door, and she sees me in the bed,
like maybe a good foot and a half bed levitating
up and me a few inches levitated above my bed.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Wow, and.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
You know, shocked at a crazy thing. So my mother staring.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
At this sight, being a deeply religious woman as well,
very Christian. Okay, he closed the door and walked away.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
I was about to ask you that I goes was
your mom like, did she have any religious belief? So
basically she was like, I can't cope with. This is
what sounds like.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It broke her mind, you know, her perception of reality.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Let me ask you, was it something in that house
or was it only in that room or what.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I think it was something around me because throughout time,
paranormal things would occur around me.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Okay, okay, I understand that. So in other words, it
wasn't the place. It was you. Sometimes it can be both,
but from what you're saying, it was you.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I always described it as I came to find out
that I was haunted.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
Sure, yes, And let's see when you say what obviously,
what did did you ever see anything there? Or was
it just a feeling like, hey, I'm in this is
not good or I'm in danger, or this is like
this is not whatever's here is not good? Or did
you actually ever see anything?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
I would see things sometimes, okay, and that was the
scariest part of it. So mm hmm, one of the
things that I would regularly see. You couldn't even call
her a woman, because he was obviously.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Some kind of monster that was.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Feminem like, like backwards like leathery, little like goat looking legs,
with a pattered white skirt and this like old Spanish style,
looking like blouse and just like ratty black hair, and
a face that looks like a cross between like a

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human in a bat and just these wild, large yellow eyes.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
All right, then it was terrified.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Ye that's n that's the stuff of lighters right there.
It was it is I can I can see as
a kid. How long did you endure this for as
a kid?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Gosh? I think there was a brief period throughout my
probably like seventeen.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
To eighteen where nothing was quite happening.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Okay, But other than.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
That, I mean since since I was a little kid.
I mean I remember when I was like four or
five years old, because I was adopted, So when I
was like four or five years.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Old, I remember that, like I would see people.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
That were in a room that other people didn't see,
and they looked like they were hurt.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
And when I would tell people about it, like when
I would tell like the foster parents that I had,
or the orphanage.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I was at, like when I would tell adults or
I would explain why I didn't feel safe, I would
be told to stop.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Making up stories. I would be told that there's nothing there.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
And so I learned from a very young age not
to talk about what you see. And I always thought,
bitch everybody else, Yeah, yeah, other people saw it, and
we just don't talk about these things, or I shouldn't
be seeing these things. And if I talk about it, though,
these things will get mad at So.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
That was kind of how it started when I.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Was really little, and then when I was eventually adopted,
which you know, my mother. I was talking about my
adopted mother. So they were very much so Hell and
Brimstone type Christian.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
So let me ask you something. The mom that closed
the door and said that's it. She was your adopted mom,
not your biological Yeah, okay, I understand, now, okay, okay,
So yeah, this was like, okay, this is this is
real Fire and Brimstone, hold on all right, good, yeah,
this is oh my god, this is something. Okay, So
she just thought, So what happened after that? What happened

(12:55):
after she saw that? You said that what she sent
you to? A psych word? And what happened?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
I got put into a psych word.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I was considered to have illusions, and when I was
in that place, I ended up getting, you know, as
they do in some of these places, overly medicated. And
that was one of the first times that I experienced
like a takeover as you would call it.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And it was.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Very interesting because as somebody who is now an extorsist,
I can tell you from both sides of the equation,
witnessing and seeding, and in that experience for me was
not quite what you think in the movie. So do

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you understand the difference between like perfect possession, transpossession and possession?

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Absolutely I do.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
So I was experiencing like overshadowing transpossessive states when I
was heavily medicated in that facility.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
I was going to ask you what opened the door
to that the medications, right, and that of course that
place is telling you right now. Places like those, Unfortunately,
even regular hospitals are rife, rife with entities, discarnts, whatever
you call them, whether they're human or nonhuman. You're yeah,
take your pick any meenie, miney moe, And I can
see what you're saying that when they're medicating you off

(14:31):
your gourd. So let me ask you something. When did
you realize what was happening when it happened like you
felt like the intrusion of another being or was this
something that later on they were telling you oh, you
were doing or saying this, and you're like, what, how
did I experience for you?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
I had this feeling every time it would come on that.

Speaker 3 (14:57):
I was becoming.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Lesson us myself, and then my perspective was shifting and
I was losing control of my ability to feel in
the way that I understand feelings. And I think one
of the interesting parts about like my instincts, it's like

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I was meant to become an exorcist because I would
do things without realizing they were effective, like tools. So
one of the things I would do when that transpossessive
states have come on is I would I would bite myself.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
Really hard until I can blood. I don't know if
you can see.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yes, yes, you've got the stars there.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, I see that right here in my because
I would do it so much, and it would that
that joke to the physical senses.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
It would snap you like right, all right, let me
And then then but they would I imagine they were
seeing this behavior as oh, wow, we get them some more,
because basically they would see this maybe what a self
harm or some type of self harm or something like that.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah, they they did, and.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
It of course didn't help when I told them I'm
only I'm only harming myself to keep the spirit out
of my body.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I was like, yeah, you're making believe that. Yeah, that's
that's how you're justifying this in your mind, Like, well,
I'm doing it because you know, so how long? How
did you get out? How did you escape from you know?
How did you get out of there? And I know
sometimes they did you did you realize I need to
tell them what they want to hear, or how did

(16:47):
you manage that?

Speaker 2 (16:48):
It kind of went along those lines, and I was
a good boy, and I took my mad and yes.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
I just stopped.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Talking about the things, and I got really good at
fighting my version of reality. And then when I got out,
I kept doing that all right, And I did exactly
what people would expect of me, which is to not

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talk about the monsters in the room and not describe
what you see that everyone else around you seems as
I'm getting older and not see.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
And then.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I ended up meeting two different people that made a
huge impact in my life and progressed me into the
journey of where I am now. And that was a
booth monk and a man that I don't even entirely
know how to sum him up other than he's.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Kind of like a.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
Matt I Moody meets Dean Winchester.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Like okay, okay, okay, it's.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
Crazy, but he's a genius and he's a warrior through
and through. So I did this.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I did this paranormal case where we went to.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
The point where you you joined a paranormal group, right,
this is what you're doing at this time. Okay, all right,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
So we went to a place called Baby Cemetery, which
was very haunted cemetery.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
In Washington State up in Bellingham.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
And then we also went to said Growuli and we
went to the Northern State Mental Asylum, the also a
pretty famous like conted location. Yes, that's where things really start.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
So that's like my.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Batman origin story right there.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
And I found like this.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Totem, if you you know, could call it that more
just like a cursed object that was in like this
barn ground like rafters, and me, being uneducated in all
things common sense.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Uh, decided to take said totem. And a girl that
I was with, she like came back to like.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
My room with me, and she wanted to try it on. Well,
she tried it on and I've told this story like
so many times. That's why I'm like terorphrasing things. But
she immediately went into a state of possession. And this
was this was an encounter unlike to the date anything

(19:53):
I have ever seen on this level as far as phenomena.
And this is like my first case of Miss Green
is that I have no understanding of what I'm dealing with,
and I'm dealing with.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
A woman crab walking up the walls.

Speaker 7 (20:11):
As unbelievable as that sounds, facial contorting, like shaping like
the jaw structure, and everything changing, deep federal growling, like
speaking in a voice that is impossible for this tiny
little girl to have.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
That sounds like something from another world distorted.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
It is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
And then her eyes would like gloss. Not only would
they larger than would physically be possible, but they were
completely solid black, this glossy black.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Let me ask, was this a regular hospital? Was this
a psych hospital that you took this from?

Speaker 2 (20:52):
This was a sound of the psych hospital. So the
original psych hospital had these barn grounds with all of
these different like farm houses, and this is where the
farmers used to work back when it was operations.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Why, because it was one of those older hospitals that
used to you know, how they used to farm them.
You know, basically they were self sustaining, one of those
really old asylums. Y okay, exactly, Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
They also supplied seventy percent of the dairy for that region.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Oh wow, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, so it was like not just self sustaining, but
it was like a fool on.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, that's how they made money to keep say, keep
their doors open. Yes, yes, exactly. And the reason why
I had asked you this is that I know in
some hospitals, or even psyche hospitals, they would have a
floor where they would keep the violently insane. You know,
in other words, your rest of your insane people were
maybe just peculiar, but they would always have sometimes a
certain floor where they would keep the ones that they

(21:54):
you know, forget it, we can't. They were violent, they
were ultra violent. So that's why I was wondering if
that's where it was found. But I do understand that
once upon a time, a lot of these hospitals built
like post Civil War, were huge. There were acres and acres,
and they people a lot of times the patients basically
worked the hospital, like the husbandry, like crops and stuff.

(22:17):
So you found this Dad is so so right about
now that you're going, oh boy, this was a mistake.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Oh yeah yeah.

Speaker 8 (22:25):
And and so during during the height of things there,
there was a moment where she came through and she
told me she was like in my phone, my phone,
synthe call him.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
And then she like went back to like, you know, god,
I'm just right on the demon and uh, I called
this guy, and you know, it's like three in the
morning or something like that, and I'm just.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Like, you don't know who I am.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I don't expect you to believe me. I don't even
know how to describe what's happening right now, because when
he first answered, he sounded really annoyed.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
He was like, what do you want? And then you know,
I'm babbling.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Like an idiot. And then and then I'm like talking
like you know him, just like I don't know if
you're gonna even believe this. But and then he's like
there was a shift in his tone and he was like,
what's going on? And so then I explained him as
ludicrous as all of it sound.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
And then his response was.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
A question, an option, and he asked me, he said,
do you want me to come over there right now
and fix all of this and make it go away
as if it never happened?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
And it would be like a dream that you.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Wake up from and you question if that ever really
did happen? Or do you want to be left to
your own devices. I'll give you some help, and if
you get in over your head.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I will come.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
But if you can handle yourself for a little bit,
I'll answer everything you ever wanted to know about the paranorm.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
Oh so.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I'm like terrified in this situation.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
I mean, you know, I like very much.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
So just like if you can even call it paraphrasing,
just kind of hit on some of the phenomena it
was curring, but like really there were.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
There were such unbelievable things happening in this.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Room that to sit there and talk about the entire
story of what was going on, we would take a
couple of hours. And I've done that in podcasts before.
I broke it down detail by detail. But what's more
interesting is where we end up. So, I was it

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what took her over?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Was it? Do you think it was human or non
human entity? What was.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
No, it was it was a non human malevolent entity.

Speaker 1 (25:17):
Okay, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
You know some would even prefer the term demon for simplicity.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, I know. You know why I don't use demon
because it's a very loaded word and and there are
a lot of non human stuff there that don't necessarily
fall into the demon thing. So but that's why I
use that word, because it's like, I'm going to leave
that open for him to kind of like say, what
is it really? Now? Let me ask you. I must
know what did you tell him when he asked you

(25:45):
that question? Is it A or B you want me
to go?

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I told him, you know, because I came from a
background of the paranormal, you know, so like I wanted
to understand. I wanted to know things, I think for
for there to be any chance of me ever being okay.
I had questions I needed answer to, okay, and I

(26:12):
wanted through this experience. Part of me wanted to be
the one to help her also, because not on that
extreme level had I suffered in the way that she
was in that room, but I knew what it felt
like to be alone, to be scared, to have something

(26:34):
preying on you, and to be defenseless. I knew what
that felt like, and I didn't want her to feel
that way. So even though I had no idea what
I was doing, which is also really freaking foolish, and
I would not tell any you know, random person to

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just jump into.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
The storm, right.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
There are consequences of these things.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I've seen people meet their ends in this field. Unfortunately,
yes they do. But I wanted I wanted to help
the lady.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
So so I told the guy.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
I said, all right, like what do I do?

Speaker 2 (27:15):
And so he tells me to start looking up sigils,
and he gives me a couple of prayers and then.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
He just leaves me to my own devices.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Little did I know that this guy had at that
point been actual projected and was manipulating the energy and
the situation. What I came to find out afterwards was
this guy was actually a very high level master and
he was very very educated in the paranormal and did

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make good on his promise.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
That you're thinking, this guy has left me high a
drive here I am.

Speaker 9 (28:00):
That was the point that was my trial by fire,
was to see what I would do right to give
me the illusion that all things could go wrong at
any point and what I didn't find interesting.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
There were little things I picked up on later, which.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Was every time, you know, because I invited one of
the other guys from the paranormal team to come over,
and he was just as perplexed as me. And we
bought this thing for seven days. We even took her
to a Catholic church at one point, and she ended up.

(28:36):
This is one of the craziest parts about the story.
She made a cree, She made a pre called the police.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
I believe it, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
And this place was houring in a corner.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yes, yes, yes, I don't. People don't realize that. That's
why they designate certain process exorcist in the majority or not,
because a lot of them they believe, but they really
don't believe. You brought him through the door, you see
what I'm saying. When all of a sudden he was
seeing this, he was.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Like they were holding man, and he just kind of like,
I'm not I'm not Catholic. I've never done that, you
know before, Like, I don't really know how all that works.
It's just seen in movies and stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Right, did you clear the church? Did you clear head?
Did everybody just like all right?

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I bet they made everybody leave the church.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
I bet I actually like like evacuated.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
They made everyone.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Nobody would have asked me to leave. It be like
what okay, okay, so here this Christ is like no, right,
He's like, man, this is a this is I'm gonna
because let me ask you something. Did she out of
curiosity when you brought her to the church. Did she
start behaving worse or how did or was it the same?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
She was.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Playing it, I mean, and when I say she, I
mean it right, was playing everything perfectly. So before we
get over there, she tried to wreck the car.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
She kept going through.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
The steering wheel and try to try to drive us
into oncoming traffic. Almost succeeded twice. That was alone, by
itself terrifying. And you've ever had somebody like literally tried
to take over a par and drive you.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Into oncoming traffic. That's arline rush you don't want.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
So we get there and then she's like fagging and
pleading not to walk onto the church property, and we're like, well, no,
we're going to obviously. And then when we drag her
onto the property, she starts like fake crying, almost like

(30:57):
she's like suffering. But then she just starts laughing. And
then she just like starts talking like she's herself.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
But I know it's not.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Her personality is not right, right, and she starts laughing
and she starts saying like you really think this.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Is gonna hurt me? Like what like are you stupid?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Like you know, and then it starts like mocking and
we're like, all right, we're going inside. And so then
when we get inside, we start talking to like it's
like a woman that like reception kind of area, and
we're trying to explain.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
What's going on. And then we have the girl that's
with us. It's trying to downplay everything.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Sure, yeah, and then and then like she's not really
like listening to us, And then I don't blame her,
like the way that we came off in reception, Like
I wouldn't listen to me either, you know. And so
then I barge into to like the actual service area

(32:03):
where they're having Max and I like like, oh my god.
So like I run up to the father and I'm
just like he's in the middle of doing mass and
I'm just like.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
You need some how like and he's just kind of like.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Not really understanding what I'm trying to tell, right, And
so I'm tracked this man by his road.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Yes. No, No, He's like, like there's any emergency.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right, And as soon as I bring him out, you know,
like there's some people that are coming out, like from
from Mas. People are still in their sitting most people
are still in their city. And as soon as he's
face to face with her, and he's like, you know,
sitting there, telling me he needs.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
To get back. This can wait.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
We'll talk later, you know, blah blah blah, and then
she just like stares him right in the eyes and
starts saying.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
I don't know if any of this is true or not,
but she.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
Starts saying things to him about apparently things he's done
and not that kind of inappropriate stuff we hear about
with the church.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
There's no way she would know normally.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
She started talking about this man's personal life and things
about him and and questioning, you know, his holiness and
et cetera, et cetera, and whether if it's true or not.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
It hit a chord with him.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
No, there had to have, and it caused.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Him to get everybody out of the building. And then
it all happened so quick after.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
That, before I could really take into account everything that
was happening. He's in a corner.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
She's laughing and.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Ripping up a bible and like smashing stuff on the
walls and like cussing out and like berating like the receptionist.
And then a few cops come running in and these
are like, you know, i'd say, like beep and all
her like right, ridiculous sized cops, but like.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
You know, pretty good sized guy.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, And they even made comments about how crazy it
was restraining her. They were just like, oh wow, like
she's one hundred pounds soaken wet, but dang, she's got
a hammer on her hand, Like she was just like
with one hand pulling them aside.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
And like pushing them. And then they eventually get her
restraint and they end up taking her.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
For a psychiatric hoal okay, at which point the master
that I.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Was talking about finally made an appearance, and you're like.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
He goes and he.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
I mean, this guy, this guy was freaking good. He made.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
False credentials, bears.

Speaker 10 (35:27):
A family member show up, spent all of five minutes
with her, walked out of there, and it's like.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
She's fine, it's gone, And.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I'm like, what do you mean like this has been
going on for a week.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I've been with this girl for a week, like I've
got mental scars. Man, this is sure. What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
You spent five minutes with her and she's fine, It's over.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
He later told me what he had.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Done, which was an old Lakota trip where he would.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Take a piece of sage.

Speaker 11 (36:12):
He would break it in half, put it in his mouth,
go over to her and sucked the spirit, threw.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
A kid into the sage, then take the sage and
burn the.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
Piece of sage.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Okay, so let me ask you something. What facilitated this
takeover was when she.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Got put on the table.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
What was it that she put on?

Speaker 2 (36:42):
It was a hemp braided like jade necklace with a
chicken bone and a feather holy crop. Oh boy, had
no idea.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
What Yeah, and so let me ask him what did
did she? Obviously she knew him from before, so he
was familiar with her.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
So she had.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
Some paranormal stuff happened, and he helped her all right,
and then she started pestering him for lessons and he
would occasionally.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Help with a paranormal case for the paranormal team that
she was on. The woman that's joined me, and occasionally he.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Would teach her little things here and there, okay, but
he never really took her on as a serious student.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Like when I started studying with him, he had me.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Move in with him, and it was like I lived,
breathed and slept demonology and he heal and meditation, whatever
you want to describe for metaphysical and esoteric and occult
arts and.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
Beliefs and practices. It was just rammed in my throat.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
Okay, So you started to understand, like in other words,
now you were shifting to the other side, you were, yeah,
instead of being on the receiving end.

Speaker 12 (38:24):
And he would answer all of my questions, okay, with
an Eastern and Western perspective, which was to this day
it is absolutely invaluable for me now having that drilled
into me, to be able to look at things with
an Eastern and Western scope, to be able to explain

(38:46):
for people on either.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Side of it what's happening for wherever they're coming from,
belief wise, and also to objectively look at the situation
and see what the westminst or sees what the East.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Isn't quite saying in a clear way.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
So I'm going to ask you what happened to this girl?
She just like it's like, be on your way. I
hope that whatever you do, don't do that again. Don't
wear don't put on stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
He's fine.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Now, Okay that was.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Let's see like thirteen fourteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Okay, that's good. That's good.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
So I get updates from all of my past clients
and people that I worked with, their helped and I
go by the adage of after a certain amount of
time of them being fine in us having seconds. If
I don't hear from you, that's no news is good news?

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah exactly, It's like, okay, you're good. Otherwise, So let
me ask you. Did that help you? When he started
teaching you, did that help you understand? Were you a
media a psychic? What was the attractant for you, know,
especially you as a kid.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
So, I had, for lack of a better term, a
bunch of psychic.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Abilities. I was very very Claire empathic.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Claire audience at Claire Old Factory, and that Clare would
really only come in moments like heightened moment.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
I think that at some point in my childhood I
did everything I could to shut off. Now it's at
a point fast forward to modern day.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I call it like a dimmer switch. So when I'm
not working, I turn it off. I don't need to
see it, I don't need to feel it. I don't
want anything to do with.

Speaker 6 (41:10):
It unless I need to use it, unless I need
to feel it, see it, hear it, smell it.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Right. But when you were a kid, you didn't know
how to do any of that.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
I had no control.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I had no ability to mute it or tone it down.
I mean, imagine, you know, going to a swimming pool,
you know, with with your with your friends, you know,
on a hot summer day, and you're playing around in
the pool with the with a kid who drowned, and

(41:42):
you thought it was some new kid in the neighborhood
and you didn't know any better.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
Yeah, Like, and I was.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Talking the ball back and forth. I was swimming around
with this kid, like I made a new friend, only
for one of my other friends there to tell me,
who are.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
You talking to?

Speaker 1 (42:02):
And you're like him?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
And then it hit me, yeah, and then it was
like who am I talking to?

Speaker 2 (42:09):
And I'd have I'd have moments like that in my
childhood that made me question, like am I crazy? Because
like I can be I can feel this person, I
can see this person, I can I.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Can hear them like like they're here.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Only nobody else.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
To think, so yes, right, right, and and again this
is the thing that they say about children. Children don't
question things as much. When they see something, they just
take it okay. That's why they say a lot of
times when kids talk about imaginary playmates, sometimes it's not
really imaginary. Is that they're seeing something, and then as
you grow older, it'll dim down that I obviously not

(42:49):
in your case. So here you are, you're training with
this guy. And what happened did he? When was it
they you started to go towards more of the Eastern
mysticism or was it somebody that you met?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
So I had met this monk who ended up teaching
me meditation and got my first opportunity to go to Thailand.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
Which is where I live now.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
And I had visited Thailand on and off for years
until I ended up going like five and a.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Half years ago. And his name Fantahl Popti that's the
fed A Popty as a brother Lucy.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
And he said, you know, hey, you're going back over
to Thailand, my brother. I don't know if I ever
told you, But my brother's a Lucy, which is a
forest terment. It was like, do you want to meet him.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
And study the witcha which is the.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Thai occult Thai maggie, And I was like, yeah, I
kind of do, so yeah, he hooked me up with them, and.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I lived with.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Lurcy Let for a year.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
I got to meet some of the most revered and
famous Shammons Johnson here in Thailand.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I got to.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Study and receive blessings and transmissions of power and more.
The term we would use this like inner door type
of teachings from some long poles which.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Are like venerable monks.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
And before I realized it, you know, the term going native.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
You one native? Okay?

Speaker 3 (44:51):
Yeah, I like, you know, I had. I had some
of these moments where it's like I'm.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Running through a of forrest, you know, setting traps with
a monk an alercy. Also that we can catch a
hog and I'm like helping them pin it down just
so we can pluck some of the ball hairs from
this hog as an ingredient to go in an ambulance

(45:20):
that we're making.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
And I'm just like, you're gonna kill the hog.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
So we needed to pluck a couple of ball hairs
because they.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Were like, let me talk about a difficult ingredient. Holy crap.
I was like, wow, that's like that.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
And I'm like, damn, I'm really I'm really doing this,
like I'm really living this life.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Okay, yeah, yeah, it's like yeah, yeah, why don't you
pluck some extra ones and keep them, you know, just
in case you ever need to do that again. They're there.
But yeah, that's that's about going native as far as
you know, seeing how it's done. How's this not the
not the final the final product. The process is basically

(46:05):
what you were learning as and also as I imagine
also as far as the belief system, because let me,
because I've seen that, I don't know, what would you
say is the difference between Western belief in the supernatural
and the Eastern belief in the supernatural. So let's say
as far as ghosts or things like that.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Well, I'll give you a really common example here.

Speaker 13 (46:32):
Okay, So for anyone who hasn't been to Thailand and
even familiar.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
With the structure of society and culture, I mean most
would know it is a Buddhist country. But you have
something called san santakum.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
They look like little dollhouses, and they're everywhere.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
You can't walk down a street without seeing one.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Every house, house, one, every government built thing, post office, bank, hotel.

Speaker 14 (47:03):
Everywhere you look you will see a snakum and little
offerings and sacify the wandering ghosts, the lost spirits.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
That's what.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
The spirits that I'm going to ask you this because
I was one time, I was I was looking, you know,
I was reading some stuff in Japan, and I know
it's a totally different country, but are these what are these?
Are these spirits that either don't have family or anybody
to recognize them or take care of them after death?
You know how sometimes people put memorials to their people

(47:40):
that have passed on. Are these like spirits laws because
of that? Or what are they?

Speaker 3 (47:45):
Exactly?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
These are what we would consider to be.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
A combination of spirits, So.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Nak spirits awesome, not super malevolent, but more thankivous, unhuman
bordering on the malevolent type of spirits and ghosts.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Your garden variety ghosts people that are cared for by
their family.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
There will still be a sun pacum, okay, but we'll
usually have a figure or an effigy to represent that
person but inside.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
The sun, okay, And what is it?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Like you know how in the West we look at
ghosts as either people that died violently or by their
own hand. Is that also an ingredient in the spirit
doing that? Oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Like when when they make like.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
I have, I have an amulet made from bang.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Means buckle, and it's referring to the third eye. So
it's it's this part of the forehead bone of a
dead person, okay.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
And so I have a warrior.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Pamang which is which was made for me by one
of my teachers at John Kyle Fox and it uh,
it's from a.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Dead Burmese soldier from the war. And what they do is.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
They have a specific.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Katas which are like prayer like muntra that they use,
and certain process of writing yant you know the magic
spells in America on objects along with the qata, the
chanting and a sort of contract.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Is formed with the spirit. You see in.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Thailand, well a lot of Southeast Asia. Actually the West
would call it neckermancy okay, but over here we simply
refer to it as wicha and which is the taia
cults and in which you have many different classifications of

(50:14):
like magic, they're like magic all it is just.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Different types of magic and some magic as.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Human material and some has plant material.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
So that like it's that simple.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
They don't really look at death or using human ingredients
and ambulance and things like that as a haven being.
I mean, this is still a developing country when you
think about it, so the roots of animism and the

(50:55):
old ways are still present even in societal belief and
not just in the countryside where no one visited.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Is there any sort of ancestor worship as far as
their belief systems.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Absolutely, they have an influence of ancestor worship that comes
from the Lana tribes, Lahwa tribe, and from the Karen
tribes as well as nat worship which originates from Me
and Mar, where they would they would worship the ancestral

(51:36):
spirits of their of their selves and then the ancestral
spirits of the community that they would branch into a
pantheon of beings, and then they would ascribe the worship
clue of coconut. So if you would see somebody like
praying to a coconut, you know, like they're not crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
It's pretty symbolic. It's symbolic things.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Let me ask you because I know that I heard that.
Remember when there was that big wave that was in
an Indo, China. I know it predated the one in Japan,
you know, the meltdown. But in other words, that there
was this mass extinction of life like like when happened
when Japan went had the meltdown and it also had
the tsunami and a bunch of people were wiped out

(52:29):
like basically unexpectedly. And I had heard that a lot
of the priests of exorcists had to because there was
all of a sudden, they were having a lot of
cases of possessions of these people that had died suddenly
taking over regular people. But like like all of a sudden,
it was like a search because these were all the

(52:49):
people that had died unexpectedly, like a mass you know,
a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Had died Oung Pi Hong Pi.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Orchard spirit.

Speaker 15 (53:01):
So it is the job of an a jar of aluency,
of a monk that when tragedies like this.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Occur in your community, then right, you help with rescue efforts,
You help with fundraising for disaster relief, and you helped
to pastify the spirit and toward away the malevolent non

(53:32):
human forces.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
That's your job, right, because I had seen that some
of the cases of possessions were the actual human spirits
where these spirits really didn't understand what had happened to them,
like in other words, they were still they yeah, they
like they all of a sudden they went from being
alive to not being alive, and they were just trying

(53:55):
to get figure out what had happened to them because
there have been something unexpected or sudden.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
My understanding is in those types of rapid you know, transitions,
mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
It's very jarring.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
When you typically experience death, but if it happened in
such a quick way, it's almost like you missed that moment. Yes,
and you know that something's not right, and you're conscious,

(54:36):
you're aware, but you're not quite understanding what's different.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
And that is your.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Debt, okay exactly. Like another word, the priests were explaining
to the spirit what happened, what had happened to them
because they were like still like.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
In spirits that I talked to one of the one
of the the first thing that I will ask the
spirit when I am aware that it's a ghost. So
if it's something else, I have a very.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Different process of how I go about it.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
But when it's a ghost and I can tell that
they're not a corrupted shade or race the type of spirit,
I can it's just a normal ghost.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
I call it putting the kid Glove song.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
So I'll get to a situation like that and I'll
be like, hey, you know, essentially like normal, like how
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (55:31):
You know why you're here?

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Do you know what you're doing right now? So kind
of like come.

Speaker 16 (55:36):
Into it with that, like you know, like you good,
like you you're aware, right, And then depending on the answer,
we'll be like, okay, well let's get taken care of.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Let's get you onto the next let's get you a closure,
or it'll be like okay, sit down for a second,
we need to talk right.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
So to be one of those two.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
But it's it's it's not uncommon in.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
Deaths where a person.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Don't see it coming right exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
They thought that they survived.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Right, right exactly. Some people don't realize and this is
open the Western people that died. Let's say they're Nesta
sized or in the operating table, for example, and they
missed the part the you know, people die, they can't
be resuscitated, or if it's very violent sometimes or they
lose consciousness kind of deal the last they remember consciousness

(56:36):
that they were alive, and then they missed the part
where they died. How about haunted houses? Do keep? Because
from what I understand, sometimes when a house or a
place gets a reputation for being haunted, it's like, good luck,
I'm getting rid of that. You know, that stigma on
a house. How does that work out there? The same
way it does?

Speaker 3 (56:56):
But you see a lot more.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
I got to go in one minute, but sure definitely
feel a part two will be needed because we haven't
even cracked into the weirdest aspects of like what I've
seen in my travels around the world.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay, now I'm gonna before you go, there's one question,
more and more question, But go ahead and answer that
form because I'm curious to see if if that even
if let's say somebody like like once a place gets
that reputation of being haunted is like, nah, you're I'm
not moving in there.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
No, So there's there's always going to be the person
projecting onto a residual imprint and psychically feeding it, even
if the spirit is gone, even if there is no
more phenomena and the haunting is rendered inert. If a

(57:47):
person knows right that dead fragment, it's.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Kind of like a like a dead frog, right like
if you if you feed it enough, you're not bringing
it act. But you might get a twit. But that's
all it is.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Okay, Yeah, but sometimes I imagine some people's like, I
don't want to find out there's a twitch or not.
You know, everybody you know has their superstition. Now let
me ask you real quick. This is something that had
run across from a while back and I never got it.
What is the cool month thong? Baby ghost?

Speaker 3 (58:24):
Oh my goodness, so these are man, that's not a
short one too. Paraphrase that it is.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
The spirit of a baby that died shortly.

Speaker 13 (58:42):
After birth or in the womb, and parents would often
have someone like myself and a darn.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Do a specific process.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Which earn their dead child into a spirit that they
can raise through offerings, and that child will then.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Take care of the family.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
It's like the most simplified answer I can give, but
we definitely have to go in depth at that point.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Right right, right, Okay, I didn't. I wanted to ask
you that because I had run across and for something
else from from a while back. And you know, sometimes
when you're not from that culture, you really don't understand,
like how did how does this signify that? Let me
ask you for my podcast listeners. What is your website?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
It's www dot dot com right, and I'm gonna have
a link in the credits of the show.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
And I understand I will be recontacting you because we
have to take up this conversation. Okay, again, this is
very very interesting.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Okay, Yeah, there's there's some shocking stuff I want to share.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
With you about what I talked about. Yeah, a lot
of things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Shocking is good to worry. What's the worst? Like I say,
like you hold tight. It's like here we go, you
know on the roller coaster that you're about to crest it.
You're like, oh, okay, don't worry, I can handle it.
Will be I will be contacting you soon. Thank you
so much, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
It's been a pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Likewise, take care all right, bye bye bye. I love it,
I love it, I love it. I love to see
the perspective from different angles, from different cultures, from different
parts of the world, you know, because it opens our minds,

(01:00:43):
it opens our minds to that. You know. For example,
I want to say worldwide, for most cultures across the world,
you can't even be before that. And you know, like
predates us, ancient cultures or even existing cultures from different

(01:01:04):
parts of the world. Everybody there's always a fear or
a precaution against the dead coming back. And what I
mean that dead coming back out on me like a vampire.
Even though that there is fear of that, I'm talking
about the ghost of someone coming back. In other words,
there is I want to say, maybe about the only

(01:01:26):
ones that you could say, well are spiritualists where they
were like and sometimes I think that that worked against them.
But overall, most people of different religions and different cultures
were like. In other words, there was always a universal

(01:01:46):
recognition that the dead have no place with the living.
In other words, there was always the thing like, no,
I don't you know once you're dead. Yes, I'm not
saying about forgetting somebody, and God knows, there's people you
know that in some even in some cultures, they have
ancestor worship or they have you know, even here, you know,

(01:02:10):
you know, people will go to the cemetery or they
have memorials or you know whatever. Every everybody's there's a
difference between remembrance and there's a fear of I don't
want this, even loved ones, I don't want this person.
The dead have no place. The spirit of a dead
person is like not a good thing when you're living somewhere,

(01:02:34):
and especially and if let's say, which is why I
asked them that about the haunted place, even when you
move to a place or even work in a place
that's got a reputation of being haunted, because that that
how can I tell you that base reaction that we
have that I want to say, even before you really

(01:02:56):
understand where you think this is the source of this occurrence,
whether it's something you hear, you smell, or you see
or something whatever, that it comes from a source of
a spirit, there's something in you that it's like, this
is not good. This is not good, because you understand

(01:03:18):
any spirit that is trapped in this plane, this is
not This is for us the people running around with
a skin suit on. All right, once you don't have
a skin suit, this is not the place for you.
Some people say, yeah, you could visit. But if you're
trapped and you're doing what you're not supposed to be
doing or stuck like it, either voluntarily stuck or like

(01:03:43):
what he was describing, maybe somebody that doesn't quite remember
or understand or want to accept that they're dead, this
is not the place for you. And we as delving
understand that on a very basic primitive level, right that

(01:04:04):
the once that person is deceased, if they come back,
that's not like a good thing, all right, that's not
like As a matter of fact, I want to say,
most of the time when people do see the spirit
of somebody deceased, about the only time they don't wig
out is when they don't realize that what they're seeing
is a ghost because sometimes and you know, if it's

(01:04:25):
an apparition that's very solid. In other words, they're thinking
that they're what they're seeing is a real person, and
that's why they don't wig out. But once you understand,
you know that that person is deceased, even it's a
family member or there's something about them, whether they're in
the death state or that you could just see, this
is not a solid real person, your first reaction is

(01:04:50):
you're you're your your initial reaction is, oh crap, what
because we recognize is that we recognize this this for us,
this this is this is for the living, this plane
is for the living, living things, all right. And also

(01:05:12):
what I think a lot of us understand at some
level is that when you have a spirit, I'm not
going into non human here, I'm going into human. When
you have a spirit of a human being that's trapped
on this level, what happens to most spirits is like
what happens to humans when they're in a great place,
out of the presence of the divine, out where they

(01:05:33):
should be. You become frustrated, You become angry, You become
like the worst version of who you are, because we
are we're a mixture of good and bad, you know.
And usually if you're a conscience, you do battle with
your worst instincts or things that it is like nah,
but in other words, you all your all your worst shortcomings,

(01:05:57):
you become that. And in some cases, as I've heard of,
some spirits that if they've been if there's a length
of time that they've died, they kind of developed almost
like an amnesia kind of thing where they really don't
remember who they were or what happened to them or

(01:06:17):
who their family were or things like that. But anyway,
bottom line is, in other words, once you keep a
human spirit on this plane, even though we can't see it,
or that it can interact or that it would be
like communicating. Let's say, if you look at if you

(01:06:38):
took out one of these took a wall and it
was like frosted glass, and they're on that side. We're
in here, and sometimes it's very difficult for communication. And
a lot of times, and I said this before, another
shows the need for communication is just something really easy,
like what happened to me? Hey, I was driving my

(01:07:00):
car and the next thing I know, nobody hears me
or sees me. I haven't seen my family, or like, hey,
next thing I know, I'm wandering around the hospital and
I'm following my body around when they wieled it down
to the morgue, and then when they came in, they
picked it up and took it through a funeral home.
And then I followed around when they took it to
a cemetery because that's my body, but somehow I can't

(01:07:23):
figure out how to get back in. All right, that
kind of deal, all right, And then they're like what happened?
And sometimes, like I said, like all human beings, they
don't want to accept it that they died, especially if
you're younger. You know, when I say younger, I mean

(01:07:45):
you have a family, or you were thinking, hey, I've
got another forty fifty, sixty seventy years ahead of me.
What is this? I got jipped? You know, people feel
like that, believe it or not. There's people that do
love their life. There's people, yes, that do you know,

(01:08:05):
do away with themselves because they're so unhappy. It's some
or their mental illness and they do away with themselves.
But there's a lot of us, most of us that
are running around that love our lives and have plans
and or obligations or things like hey, in other words,
we're like, I don't want to die and I had
no plans for this, and what is this? And why why? Why?

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Why? Why?

Speaker 10 (01:08:24):
Why?

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Why why why? You know, like the little kids, why
why why why? And sometimes all they need is somebody
to say this happened to you and you need to
go on to and explain. And you know, there's there's
some theories about you know, how everybody hears about that

(01:08:45):
when you die, you have loved ones come for you.
You know, it's like, heyme, come with us. That some
of these spirits who are unaware or unwilling to believe
that they're dead, they see the dead whoever that came
to them and they're like, you're dead. I'm not going
with you. What are you crazy? You're dead. And that's
one of the things, you know that they talk about

(01:09:07):
that even after death, we always have free will. In
other words, nobody's going to come and drag you off
by the ankles and said, no, you're coming with us.
You know, Grandma's not going to show up and say
you're coming with me, like take you by the ear. No,
you always have free will. And if you at that
moment cannot accept or really don't just don't believe it.

(01:09:28):
You just don't believe it that you're dead. And if
I go with you, then that just that you're taking
me where the dead people go. And I still got
to figure out how to get back to where I was,
or I got to figure out how to get back
into that body, maybe not wanting to see that maybe
depending on the circumstances, the body's mangled and is couldn't

(01:09:48):
hold life, it would be impossible, you know, and then
something happens that person gets stuck. Sometimes no, sometimes after
a while they kind of like move on, And which
is I think a lot of times when I'm gonna
go with the with the Catholic tradition of when they

(01:10:08):
have masses and prayers for the people that have passed on,
that that's what it does. That basically what that mass
or those prayers, which it doesn't necessarily have to be
in the form of a mass, Basically you're praying for
the soul of that person, for somebody that in other words,
for them to like you know, how that clouds part

(01:10:29):
and the sun comes through and they get it. Basically,
it's like a soul releasing them to all of a
sudden either accept it or see it for what it
is and be okay with it and move on, right,
So it's not like you're stuck here and you're stuck
forever and never especially if you have or like what
he was explaining, did you hear how he's talking about,

(01:10:50):
like you know, it's a human spirit. I explained to them, Hey,
this is what happened to you, and now guess what
you have to move on to where your next stop
is you know, this is not it. This is not it.
So I think it's so injury. I gotta have him back, man.

(01:11:12):
I got to hear his stories. His stories were good.
That story was fantastic. You know how he's here, he's
having these experiences as a kid. God, I feel for him.
Let me, I feel for him. It's got to be
a difficult thing. And and at the same time, how's
this what his adoptive mom did. I don't agree with that,

(01:11:36):
never could agree with that, But at the same time
I could. I can kind of see how she would
have been like totally to be honest with you, And
I don't know, I'm talking as a mom. If I
open that door and that kid is my kid is there,
I'd grab my kid and it'd be like, nobody's taken care.
Get off. You're not taking nowhere. Get here. You know,

(01:11:58):
nobody's taking my kid nowhere. No, nothing's doing anything to him.
All right, and good luck on any thing trying that crap.
All right? You know, excuse me. You know when you
see women have fights that they take their earrings off
in the shoes, that would be me that I think
that if somebody ever did anything, you know, supernatural or

(01:12:18):
otherwise to one of my kids. That'd be like, that's it.
Hold on taking off my earrings, my shoes helplets for me. No,
I would never. I would never. So I really that
made me feel bad to hear that story. It really
made me feel bad. And by this, I'm not saying
that the mom couldn't have been wigged out, like wigged out,
like okay, come on, this is this is stuff like

(01:12:40):
what and you know what? I think is really interesting.
And I've run across in my investigations through the years
where his mom was very heavily religious, and even when
he showed up with his girl at the church that
the priest is like, know, how's this. I can understand

(01:13:04):
where there's a precaution not so mom to the mom
because obviously this was her adopted son. But you know,
not everybody that shows up a church church, especially for
some type of exorcism. Yeah, you're going to come across
people that are deeply disturbed that they have a serious
mental illness, and yeah you need the cops. In other words,

(01:13:27):
but that he reacted the way he did. I ran
across that because one thing is to thump the Bible
and to believe it and the devil. Eh, and then
when all of a sudden the devil shows up or
something like it, but it's incarnated inside a human being,
all of a sudden, you're like, what, which is why?

(01:13:52):
And I know that. For example, in the Catholic Church,
they tap certain priests to become exorcists, and a lot
of times they keep their exorcism identity secret. In other words,
they perform as a regular priest in their diocese, but
then not all of them, but in some cases that
they're an exorcist is kept from the public because it

(01:14:14):
gets crazy, and there's a lot of priests and other clergy,
not necessarily priests, other clergy that they talk about the
devil or about possession or about this and that, but
then they really don't believe it, or when they're confronted

(01:14:35):
with it, it's like they wig out, and it's like, wait,
who hold it? If you believe in God, let's go
with the Christian version, and you are Christian and you
believe in the power of Jesus Christ. Whatever Christian when
I mean Christian, you know, Christian is Catholic and everything
else that believes that Jesus Christ was the Messiah. Whatever,

(01:14:56):
let's say that's what I'm saying. I know there's other
religions out there, but let's go with the Christian. If
you believe this, even if you're not an exorcist, you
should be like hell no, hell no, Like this is
when you stand up for your belief system. This is
when this is when you find out do you believe
which you believe or not? All right? Which is the

(01:15:17):
supremacy of good over evil. It's that simple, the supremacy
of good over evil, that good will triumph over evil.
And unfortunately, a lot of these spiritual leaders or priests
or whatever they are, and they're it could be a minister,
it could be anybody. They fall short when they're confronted

(01:15:39):
with something that even smells like it's a supernatural they
like no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no no.
I ran across those investigations through the years where people
would go to their if they were going if they
were regular church attendees, they would go to see their pastor,
and they kind of like you could say, you could

(01:16:00):
tell that they were like in other words, they weren't
poo pooed, but they were like they weren't really believed
they were I tell them, they did believe it. As
a matter of fact, they really believed that. They just
didn't want to get engaged because they were scared of it,
all right. Or even if let's say they weren't churchgoers
per se, but they had some type of religious belief

(01:16:22):
and they would get go to the local church again,
whether it's a Catholic church or any other you know,
Christian church, whatever, Methodist, Episcopalian or whatever, and they would
bring the subject up let's say a hunting Let's say
they realized something's going on at home something, or even
with their teenage kid. In other words, instead of this person,

(01:16:50):
which by the way, this is what they're supposed to be, Yeah,
they're there, they should have the spiritual angle, all right.
And by this I'm not saying feed into somebody that's
got a mental illness, because it gets more complicated that,
but that hopefully by then you should have enough discernment
when you speak to somebody to see where they're coming from,

(01:17:11):
or if it's a couple that comes to see you
that instead of recognizing these people might have something really
going on, let's find out what this is. They're like,
they want to shut them down. They want to shut
them down, and anybody that's worked with a paranormal group
that's been together for a while, I guarantee you, guarantee
you take it to the bank. They will have come

(01:17:34):
across more than one client who's been shut down by
some type of religious person or church or anything that
they came to initially for help, guaranteed guaranteed to the
point that they're like that. Sometimes that's how they end
up calling the paranormal group. In other words, they're thinking,

(01:17:56):
this is I need help from a religious spiritual angle,
because I know that this is not like the regular stuff,
so I'm gonna come to you. Because they end up
with a paranormal group because that's it. They already went
the route of a of a spiritual because they understand

(01:18:17):
at some level that the problem is comes from a
spiritual level, and only somebody that supposedly is versed in
spirituality and in protection and things of this nature is
going to understand or know how to deal with it right.
And a lot of times they find themselves. I'm not

(01:18:41):
going to say they're called liars, but there's more than
one way to just be dismissive. And where was it
One time I was reading what story anyway, this person
or this family having problems, and they went and they

(01:19:02):
were some type of Christian sect I can't remember, and
the pastor held prayer meetings, but from their church wouldn't
come to their house, had prayer meetings and all this
whatever they were doing at their church, but he neverver
came to their house. Why why Why wouldn't your belief

(01:19:23):
system be so strong, so strong that you felt that
you couldn't come to somebody's house unless there's something that
you realize. Okay, we're dealing here with somebody with maybe psychosis,
some type of mental illness. Then maybe they're taking drugs
and you know, you know, they're untreated mental illness. They're

(01:19:44):
hearing voices or seeing things. But this is not really
a problem of the supernatural. This is more this person
has an undiagnosed or untreated mental illness, or they're hearing
and seeing things. It's different. It's different. I get it,
I get it. But that story I was reading, it
was like, no, they the pastor aps knew absolutely that
what was going on was supernatural origin what was happening

(01:20:08):
to that family, And I was like, yeah, we'll pray
for you here in the church. But no, we're not
going over to your house. It's like, all right, okay,
So there's limitations on your belief the conviction. Your conviction
is what I don't know, let me get off my soapbox. Yeah,
I'm kind of like hardcore when it comes to that,

(01:20:31):
especially if you are putting yourself out as a spiritual
leader and exhorting people or preaching to them about the
power of God, and then when it really comes down
to it, you're like, well, yeah, but it's like, ah,

(01:20:51):
this is this is this is when you pull out
the big guns. This is when this is when you
really like Okay, I mean, let's know, I don't know.
I could go on and on with that, but anyway,
I'm gonna definitely have Sadu d come back because I
gotta hear those stories. Man, those stories gotta be good.

(01:21:14):
I hope you enjoyed this show. I've got a lot
of interesting guests coming on now. I I am almost
filled up for season seventeen, so pretty soon I'm gonna
be booking for season eighteen of Stories of the Supernatural.
So I've got a lot of interesting people coming on,
and I am going to do the Marty Grass Show.
I gotta see a lot of people have asked me, oh,

(01:21:35):
do more of the true crime around Marty grass. I
tell everybody Marty Gras. For people that are not Christian
or not Marti Gras was Fat Tuesday, Marty Gras was
the last day after The day after Fat Tuesday was
ash Wednesday, and then you would go into the forty

(01:21:56):
days of Lent, which would end with Easter. Okay, now,
Marty was the day when you had your last hurrah,
when you were supposedly buckle down and give up something,
whatever the case might be, for Lent. All right, And
if you go through some of these stories Marti Gras,
you know that's saying about what happens in Vegas. Days
in Vegas, well, it was like people would go hog

(01:22:18):
wild and do some really weird or deadly things on
Marti Gras because of like all to things, you know,
to much, drink, too much of a good time, being
with the wrong person at the wrong place. So I
don't know, I don't know what direction we're gonna take
the Marti Gras showing, But I am going to do
the Marti Gras Show with my wingman, Henry. But in

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