Paranormal Chit Chat with Diego the Podcaster

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
On this episode of Let's find Out. Our guest is
an author and paranormal investigator that has captivated audiences on
her paranormal talk show Stories of the Supernatural and the
podcast Night Shape Diary and Supernatural story Time. She has
appeared in season one episode one of Paranormal Survivor and

(00:23):
season one episode twelve Haunted Hospitals, which can be seen
on Destination America, Netflix and the Travel Channel. All this
plus more, please welcome first time guest, author, narrator and
producer and p palliser Marlee my friend, Welcome to Let's
find Out. I'm so happy to have you on this evening. Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
How are you doing, Diego? It's great to speak to
you again.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh, I'm doing well. And I said, I'm really happy
to have you on. And first I'm gonna I'm gonna
start off the show with thanking you for having me
on your show a couple.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Of month months. It was a great show. I really
loved it.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Oh, thank you. And you know, honestly, I'm a much
better host and guest and I kind of know how
it feels on the other end, and I appreciate you
having me, you know, getting me through the whole interview
because Ashley, I was like, cause I know you do
kind of do long form, like how am I gonna
And then you made it so easy. I felt very
comfortable with you from the start. So I really appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Fantastic. So anyway, now that I'm at the the other
at the other end of the equation, now you can
you can go ahead and if I put you in
an uncomfortable spot, you can return the favor.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh no, no, and I appreciate that. No, We're gonna
have a great time tonight, trust me. And as I'm
looking at your bio and then I went on Amazon
and you have what is it about nine books? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, yeah, I'm working it's like eight or nine and
I'm working on one and we were talking about its quickly.
I'm trying to finish this one, which is the longest
it's taken me. To talk about procrastination. It's taken me
about three years. I was producing about two books a year.
In this last one, it's it's it's over three hundred pages,
but it's like taken me forever. Yes, So there we

(02:04):
go write from writer to writer. Since we were talking
about that too, that writing is hard work sometimes.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
You know, it is no for me, and I've only
written one, a very short book is the first time writer.
And I tell some of my author friends that it
sat on my on my hard drive for two months
before I even send it to my publisher because it
was probably one of the more it sounds silly, it's
one of the more scariest things I've experienced. And then

(02:31):
once it was released, then when I got the box
at home and open the books, I'm like, oh, it's
for real now. So yeah, but you know, and I'm
quickly working on my second one. But that's not about me.
So we're gonna get We're gonna talk about you, of course,
my friend. And as I'm looking at the bio talking
about the books, You've been active in the paranormal for

(02:52):
a very long time. And I would probably take a
guess that long before you were an investigator, a producer, podcaster, author.
Perhaps there's something in your life that brought you on
this journey. Did you have experiences early in life? Was
there a family history of this.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Believe it or not? No, Okay, how's this? I had
a family which was like, nah, goes start real, what
is that? That's you know? Ah? So I was brought
up that way, you know, like and however, when I, uh,
when I was like sixteen years old, me and my mom,
we moved into a rental house. I was right across

(03:30):
the street from my grandmother, because you know, everybody stays
close to the matriarch or the family. And I remember
this was the story. You know, my mom would leave
to go to work before I didn't. She always told me,
for any reason you decided to stay home, you need
to let your grandmother know, because of course my grandmother
was home all day long. I said, sure, sure, sure.
One time, I was one of those things, you know,
I didn't feel like go to school, stupid stuff. I

(03:52):
and I'm thinking, I'm in bed, and by the way,
I knew it was fully awake. This was and this
is one of those things that when it happens, you
don't think of it being supernatural. It's only after the fact.
So all of a sudden, the kitchen was towards the
front of the house, and I was in the back
bedroom and I hear somebody, like, you know, when somebody's
opening drawers and cupboards. Yeah, and this is an older house,

(04:13):
and the cabinets and stuff like you know, when people rattle,
like the utensils and stuff, and I'm coming out, I say,
And I was perfectly awake, Elliana, what's my grandmother doing
in the house? By the way, she had to keep
to the house, but she would never have come over
because first of all, we didn't have anything she needed.
Plus she had arthritis in her legs and she would
have to cross the street. But that's the first thing

(04:33):
that came to my mind. Of course, because you're hearing
somebody going through your kitchen, It's like, who, what's my
grandmother doing here? Right? And all of a sudden, you
know those you know when you have a house with
the raised wooden floors that you can hear somebody walking. Yes,
I hear somebody come walking down the hallway. Like I said,
I'm at the end of the hallway and they know, man,

(04:54):
my grandmother's gonna grill me. Why did I didn't go
to school? So I do one of those like I
you know, I just like turned over like away from
the doorway, and I felt like somebody, remember, I'm assuming
this is my grandmother, come to the entry of the
doorway and stand there. Now it's hard to explain because

(05:15):
obviously I'm not seeing it. First of all, my grandmother
is short late, but for some reason, I felt one
of those things at the moment that where was at
the door was tall, but it was weird. It's a
weird like but it's like, okay, I'll just pretend and
then if she asked me, I'll tell her I don't
feel good. You know things that you do when you're
fifteen and sixteen years old, and I feel somebody come.

(05:37):
I had like the blankets, I got my waist, somebody
come and pull the cover over my shoulder, and you know,
I was like, okay, I guess she thought I was asleep. Okay,
fast forward. The whole day I grooped off at home.
My mom would come home from work and like she
after she dropped off, she would immediately cross the street
to go and drink some coffee with my grandmother. Five

(06:00):
minutes later the phone, my mom, why didn't you tell
your grandmother? You would say, home from squad a little
It's like, what are you talking about? She was here
this morning. She knows I was here. And I hear
my grandmother in the background because my mom was telling
her what she's like, she's liar, she's lire. I did
didn't go. We should talking about my grandmother's swore up
and down she had not gone, which, by the way,
she would never have lied about it. And to be

(06:22):
honest with you, knowing my grandmother, my grandmother would not
have left either without waking me up or tapping on
the shoulder going why didn't you go to school? You
know what I'm saying. And I was like, what in
the world? And my grandmother swore up and down. Now
around that time, this was going into the summer. This
was like towards the end of the summer. I had
a guy was talking to He was a bus boy.

(06:42):
So we would be talking like late at night. And
remember when people used to have long cords that you
would just just stretch out. Yes, I would sit in
the hallway talking and of course it was late because
he wouldn't get work, you know, dumb from work till
late at night. He was a bus boy, right, And
we had the jealousy windows. Remember this is Florida, but
it's and a couple of times I would hear one
time I heard like the chainling fence, the gate rattle,

(07:08):
because it's quiet, it's late. It's like what I am,
you know? And it wasn't a weak of it. They
wouldn't let me talk count, you know, And I was like,
that's a cat, But man, that's rattling a lot for
it to be a cat. And then a couple of times,
which by the way, I heard somebody walking on the
grass around the house so much so that I told
this guy there's somebody outside, and he's like, hey, I'm

(07:28):
I'm like, and I jump in the bed and I
wake up my mom. There's somebody outside, somebody outside. My
poor mom, my poor mother. She wakes up, and we're
here turning off the lights. Well, the only light, as
a matter of fact, that was on was a hallway light.
We're going from bedroom window to bedroom window looking like like,
first of all, we don't hear anybody run off at
number one. Number two. I grew up in this neighborhood.

(07:49):
I was in this neighborhood all my life. We knew
all the neighbors. Okay, number three, there were no trees
in that yard. It was bear I mean, it had
like one pine tree in the front, but there was
nothing where you could somebody went beyond the shrubbery. Nothing.
There was an alleyway that ran through the back Okay,
that happened to me like twice where I woke up
my mom. That's how much I heard somebody walking on

(08:13):
the in the yard. Believe it or not. Even then,
I didn't catch hon diego that was going on was paranormal.
Later on is when I start thinking about this. Okay,
how weird it was that I kept hearing that inside
the house and then the walking around the house, and
then the rattling of the gate, which by the way,

(08:33):
was all original to the house. These houses were built
like in the late forties. Later on, because like I said,
I grew up in that neighborhood and I knew the
family that has lived there had been a couple with
a daughter. The daughter had grown up left and the
husband passed away, and the lady she rented the house
out to us, but she moved away. She was by herself. Right,

(08:57):
I'm thinking without knowing, but I'm almost positive beause they
had lived there years, that this was the husband who's
an older man. Because like I said, that's the only
thing I can think of, Okay, And that was my
first besides reading Handsholtzer books. Back to your original question,
that was my first introduction into having a paranormal experience.

(09:18):
And I didn't realize what it was at the time,
because of course I was fifteen or sixteen, and when
you're a teenager, that's the last thing on your mind.
You're thinking of other things, you know. So yeah, and
like I said, oh, and then around that time, one time,
like maybe a week after that thing, that I heard
that rattling in the kitchen, which later on I found

(09:38):
out a lot of people have that experience, that they
hear stuff somebody going around their kitchen or the part.
All of a sudden the phone rings at three am.
This is around the time. We only had two phones,
one in the bedroom, one in the in the kitchen.
My mom, you know, you gotta call it three am,
and you're thinking, oh, oh, something something, it's my grandmother. Yes,
that was one of those things. I was a mom girl,

(10:00):
even though I had my own bedroom. That night, it
just so happened. I was sleeping with my mom and
I hear my grandmother say, where's where's more Leen is?
And my mother's like, she's right next to me, what
are you talking about? She goes I heard her. I
could swear because I would go and knock on their door.
A certain way and call them. She goes somebody just
knocked on the door with her voice and calling for me,

(10:21):
and I'm hearing my mom telling her, no, she's here,
she's been here. I'm asleep next to me. What that
was about, I have no idea. That was a weird
one off. But anyway, yes, that was my intro to weirdness.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
How's that no great an introduction? And once you started
saying talking about the part where a something mimic your voice,
I've had a similar experience here in my home with
my wife, and I had that in my book. I
think we talked about it on your show a couple
of months ago. Did it happen again? Do you have

(10:54):
any any more experiences with a ghost mimicking the voice
of whether yourself or mother or grandmother or no.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
But you know what, we didn't stay to that long
because my mom got another house, you know, she got
a better deal, and we didn't stay there long. But
it's like I said, you know, when when you grow
up in the neighborhood and everybody knows you, when you
know everybody, and it just so happened that we knew
a little bit of the history of the house, which
by the way there was, you know how you always
think of haunted or ghost you know, oh, something tragic

(11:23):
happened in the house. No, nothing tragic ever happened in
that house, all right, So it was you know, later
on that I started thinking about. But no, as far
as the mimicking stuff, which I find is kind of
like and of course that I went to my grandmother's house,
that was like, weird, that was really unusual, you know,
that was very unusual. But no, not again, but that

(11:45):
sounds intelligent. How's this? Knowing what I know about the paranormal,
When you have mimicking, that's not a residual haunting. You're
talking there an intelligent haunting. But I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Then Oh, let's let's go in. Let's get into the
intelligent home is. I think that, at least for me,
that's the first time I've heard it described that way.
Intelligent haunting? Are we talking about? Let me see if
I can phrase this question correctly. Are we talking a
human spirit or something world.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Human or non human? It could be into a residual
usually is like a timestamp you know, you'll have and
this usually happens after a lot of repetition. I've had
people that will tell me, hey, at a certain time
of the day, let's say in the morning, I will
smell coffee, Like day after day at the same time,
a smell of coffee or bread baking, or even sometimes

(12:36):
I'll here, let's send us stairs. It's you know, coming
and going and then it goes, but there's nothing there,
and it's like it's almost like something that happens so
many times that it times it goes into the fabric
of the place. All right, but there's no intelligence, no spirit,
no soul, if you want to call it that. But

(12:57):
then the intelligent ones you can be human or you
could be non human, all right, you do have intelligent
hauntings where let's say we'll go with this doesn't happen
with non humans. With humans that they're stuck like on
a hamster wheel. They're going through their life. What they're
doing almost parallel to yours, right, they're almost unaware of

(13:20):
the humans that are there. In other words, that's why
you'll have sometimes certain parts of the house or certain
things that will occur almost like on a time clock,
like that person is on a schedule and they're living
even after they died. What they would do as a
norm during the day. That's why you have people that
will say, hey, you know, the kitchen is the hot spot.

(13:41):
I've heard other people say, you know what, especially like
in sometimes in farming communities, sundown, like when people come
in contrary to whether people think it's not only night time,
there would be an uptick because it's like there's the
schedule of that house. And then there's the intelligent hauntings,
which is they're aware of the humans that are there,
all right, whether it's human or nonhuman, they're which you

(14:04):
can have both at the same time. Also they're aware
of the humans. Sometimes they're scared, sometimes they're possessive. Sometimes
they they don't even want to interact with humans, and
others do. It's it all depends, and you know, I've

(14:24):
heard of a lot of well I've had experience with
investigations where they think it's strictly a human spirit or
a ghost, let's call it. We're going to call it
a ghost. A ghost is something that's earthbound, and then
come to find out that behind that there is a
non human entity that sometimes is what makes certain experience

(14:44):
is malevolent, all right. You know, it's not just the
uncomfortable feeling. It gives it like a very malevolent flavor,
which is what wigs people out. And I'll tell you
they for because I did write a book that's called
Supernatural Safety, a DIY for you know, as far as
what people do. And the reason why I did that

(15:06):
book was people think, you know, because they watch the
reality shows that you know, you're gonna get a team
in there, and they're gonna come and they're gonna identify
whoever is causing it. First they're gonna say, yes, it is,
and this is who it is, and this is what
we're gonna do. Even if it's like we have to
call in an exorcism team, people think poof, it's gone. No, sorry,
it doesn't work that way. First of all, usually the owners,

(15:29):
whether it's technically yours or a rental, if this is
your place, you have got to keep working at this afterwards,
and people I've noticed give up their power too easily,
like you got to fight for your space. But then,
to be perfectly honest, what I've seen is a lot
of people their solution is I'm moving moving, And I

(15:54):
have had cases where people would call us in because
one time they didn't want whatever was there to follow them.
They were moving out of the state and they were
so worried that whatever was there was going to follow them.
Then they called us up and they said, look, you know,
we want to make sure that we just don't want
this thing to go with us, you know, and that

(16:15):
that happens, and it doesn't have to be something like
a really like heavy duty, but enough that people are
uncomfortable having that around them, like they know, like the
living and the and I know other's people out there
are gonna say, now, Marlene, I'm sorry, I've had enough
experience with this living living with a non living. Eventually

(16:35):
it goes bad, you know, like a relationship is beautiful
or it's great, but eventually it goes south. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. Plus,
why would you want to trap a human spirit or
a human soul on this level if it's supposed to
me in the presence of the divine off the earthplane? Yeah,
and it always because basically what you have as a

(16:56):
human he were talking again, human a human soul that's frustrated.
You know what happens when humans get frustrated. They become bitter,
they become difficult, they become obnoxious, and sometimes even vengeful,
they do bad things because they're just mad. So yeah,
it always it always ends up going south. So, I mean,
I've had a lot of different I don't know, Ask

(17:18):
me what you want as far as you know cases
or anything, and I'll tell you that. Uh. And sometimes
you just have bad people, you know, bad people that
were bad when they were alive, and that when they
die they're just sobs. It's not that they're demon or
non human, it's just that they're they're just bad people
even when they're dead.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, but it's my understanding that. And I know people
like to throw that word demon a lot.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
Oh god. Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
The percentage of that is very low. Yeah, it's my understanding.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Plus, you also have elementals, you have elemental spirits. I mean,
I'm even when I did have no theory, and there's
you know, I worked with spirit attachments which can go
into your aura. You can have attachments from dead people.
You can even have attachments. Here we go from ets. Okay,

(18:11):
A lot of people think, what, Yes, you can have
an invasion of your ore from an extraterrestrial and people
hypnotist even psychiatrists have run across it without looking for it.
They didn't they didn't expect that. How's that? And from
there we could you know, I'm sure you've heard of

(18:31):
some people saying, are ET's demonic or vice versa or
demons ets? Who comes first a chicken or the egg?

Speaker 1 (18:38):
But yes, and it depends on you asked too, because
it depends on your belief system. One will call it
an evil spirit, one will call them a messenger. Now,
I'm glad you went into the extraterrestrial realm because that's
kind of sometimes the lasting people think about when it
comes to paranormal, yeah, or supernatural, But a lot of

(18:59):
these things they kind of they cross roads sometimes and
maybe an extraterrestrial experience can be misidentified as a paranormal experience. Sure,
have you had any extraterrestrial experiences yourself?

Speaker 2 (19:15):
No, I have not, But I will tell you what.
And I'm sure a lot of people familiar with Skinwalk
or Ranch, and there was before it came into being,
you know, the recent it was owned by mister Bigelow
and he had people out there for a long time.
And one of the scientists that was out there at
Cone Kellor I hope I'm pronouncing his name, along with
George Knapp, wrote a book I think it was hunt

(19:36):
for the Skinwalk or something like that. But anyway, they
described were they were out there strictly for UFO research,
and they ended up having what they call a hitchhiker effect,
which was paranormal occurrences happening at their houses for people
that left that worked there. They would go back, and
they they pretty way out there by the way, paranormal

(19:58):
even sightings of cryptid like creek. It was weird. Now.
I will tell you, I used to belong to a
group that was a UFO group, and you know, they
would move on and other peop would come to presentations
for us, and some other people came to talk to me,
especially when they knew I did hypnosis, and they were
telling me where they had had UPHO sightings, not abductions.

(20:22):
One lady thought, she, but we're not. We're here talking
abduction UPHO sightings. Then after that they started having extra
paranormal occurrences in their house and they were asking me,
have you ever heard of that? And they in other words,
they they themselves couldn't couldn't equate, like, how do these

(20:42):
two things connect? How is it that me seeing a
UFO all of a sudden, I start having paranormal occurrences
in my house like knockings. Sometimes people have lived already,
they had never had this problem, and it would take
them a while to start realizing that the jumping off
point was the siding of the UFO. By the way,
some of the stuff it's lasted for years, okay, or

(21:07):
say it would see this UFO on and off. And
one lady wanted me to, you know, and wanted me
to hypnotize her because she suspected that she might have
been an abductee, all right, And what we never got
around to it that sometimes that again, I'm sure you've

(21:32):
realized before. Ufologists, it's strictly UFOs and ets and paranormal
is a separate thing. There's even been linkage to cryptid
sidings with an uptick of UFO sidings. How do these
old things combine or or is it? Are we talking
inter or interdimensional beings and that's why they seem to

(21:54):
pop up at the same time. Is there some point
where these dimensional rips or veils just become thinner and
everything just crosses back and forth, And that's why all
of a sudden you have ET's and UFOs and cryptids
and paranormal happening at the same time. It's because maybe
there's like the moon face. This is just me. Maybe

(22:15):
there's a moment where this thing that keeps dimensions separate
just becomes thin or opens up or whatever. You know,
everybody's heard of portals, but I'm talking here something that
maybe there's that certain times of the year again, or

(22:39):
certain something happens, maybe a lightning strike. I don't know
allows these things, and that's why you see more of
it at the same time. But yes, et I have
not said UFO or ET sidings. You know. Sometimes you
know it's like, oh, wish I could, and then they say,
be careful what you wish for again. You know, I

(23:03):
really consider that if you take out let's say, the
UFO signs, we're not going with abductions, cause if you
take out the people that are lying, the people that
are crazy, the people that are mistaken, they really believe
what they see it that still leaves so many sightings
that it tells you ufhos are real. It's my point.
You see what I'm saying now, whether these UFOs I mean,

(23:26):
then you go into extraterrestrials, how many are there? Are
they friendly? Are they not friendly? You know, I'm sure
you've heard of the Grays. Are they biomechanical of the Reptilians?
Are they they want to take us over? They I've
always heard that they're kind of like, I'm the like
that they're the bad guys kind of thing. Or are

(23:47):
there no such things as ets? That's Can you imagine
if all the UFOs are from origins, are man made?
I doubt it, but I'm ready for anything. And and
this is something I've wondered about, you know, since the
X files and everything. You know, everybody's always had that

(24:10):
what do you call it, the that conspiracy theory? You know,
the government knows all about the ets and about the spaceships,
and they've back engineered all this stuff, and you know
they might even have a treaty. You know, everybody has
their but you know, and everybody's waiting for the big disclosure, like, hey,
you're gonna find me, tell us extraterrestrials and UFOs are real.

(24:32):
But what if it's not that? What if they haven't
told us anything because they really don't know much about them.
Can you imagine they're having a big press conference and
people are gonna ask, well, yes, UFOs are real or
we've been visited. How's that?

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Who, No, we don't know. What do you mean where
they're from? We don't know. Well, what are they here for?
We don't know. You you really want to panic people,
you know, because in the back of our mind, I
think we always have this safety and that kind of
idea that if the government's handling it, they're handling it
whatever it is, even if they agreed to hybridization or anything.

(25:09):
But can you imagine a press conference where basically the
government or the people in authority basically have little or
no answers. Yes, we've recovered some stuff I crash sites,
but we really don't understand that technology. You mean, you
guys haven't back in Juyar, not really, you know, most
of the stuff we developed on our own. How about
the Well, yeah, we've recovered some corpses, but again we don't.
In other words, everybody'd be like, oh my god, so

(25:32):
you just UFOs and ET's all over the place and
you have we're basically at their mercy.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Well yeah, I think so as well, now being that
you're in Florida, right, yes, And I think Florida at
one point was a hot spot for UFO sidings, and
I think it was it was it golf Breeze where
there was a I don't know what decade it was
where it was kind of active at some point. But

(25:58):
I think talk about disclosure. The last time I heard
something was going to be said related to floor, I
think Marco Rubio was about he was he.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Was getting into it. Yeah, I know, there was a
point that he was like pursuing, like we need more
disclosure about UFOs. And as a matter of fact, today,
oh my god, Marlene, I can't remember. I was listening
to somebody sometimes I'm like multitasking. They were talking about this,
and they were saying that this whole thing of the
UFOs and extraterrestrials that they even that they don't even

(26:32):
really give the full story, even to the president. And
I don't mean the present I mean all presidents because
they come and go. In other words, the people that
run this UFO ET programs, they're the ones that really
know it, and like they don't just because a person
is the president, they don't tell them really everything that's
going on, because it's like, don't worry because in for

(26:53):
the most eight years, you're going to be gone and
you don't need to know this. So in other words,
they they think that they're this that program is it's
one of the deepest, biggest secrets that the government has.
And I agree.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, and as we've learned since the last few years,
and this is not a political show.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Oh no, no, I know what you mean, Like every
time he does like what, yes.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Where where We've seen different agencies, Yes, acting interesting ways. Yes,
and they got their own set of rules. They do
whatever they want to do. So it's not too far
fish to say that, you know, like you said, why
tell this president anything? Four to eight years will be
gone anyway. Yeah, So it doesn't matter if they know

(27:37):
they don't need that knowledge, you know, need to know
kind of deal like that.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Right right, we're gonna where the God forbid they would
want to disclose on it. So yeah, they were saying
that this is like one of the biggest like that
whoever's running this program. And you know what, once upon
a time, most people would have said, oh, come on,
that's who's Gonnaho's gonna be able to do that, Who's
gonna be able to pull that off? And it'd be

(28:00):
like nowadays, you know, and then you say, okay, they
need the funding. God knows they've got funding. They can
get funding from anywhere. As far as how's this without
having to explain, Let's say to any of these committees
and Senate as like, we're you know, because when they
appropriate this money, they have to explain. But if you don't,
if nobody really knows you're using the money, there's no

(28:22):
explanations to be given as far as how, how long,
what are you doing whatever, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And I mean, I don't mean to sound sinister, but
the implications were that keeping this stuff secret is like
if you wanted to blop about it, you were going

(28:43):
to be like bye bye. You know, all of a
sudden you disappear, or you deleted yourself, you know, you
did away with yourself kind of thing, or one of those,
or you ended up committed to an insane asylum or
some weird stuff. In other words, the you know how
you hear about the Men in Black, and a lot
of people say, well, the men in Black their ET's

(29:03):
kind of I think that there's a version of the
Men in Black, which I'm sure you've heard about of
different people that have had experiences where they say they
get visited by the men in black and they're told
be quiet. They'll say anything. And as a matter of fact,
there was there was a story after the crash at
Roswell in nineteen forty seven, there was a hospital on

(29:26):
a base Okay, which supposedly they took the recovered remains
from Roswell over there, and it was a guy who
was the business is a small town, which he was
like the ambulance slash funeral director of the town. You know,
you do a little bit of everything. And he talks

(29:48):
about how they asked them to provide three small childlike caskets.
He was like, that's really weird. And then he said
he saw something like them, you know, like he's that's
how some movement. And again, when you live in a
small town, you know everybody, and you know that's weird.
And basically he said he saw one of he was
on the base. He went on to the base to

(30:09):
deliver this stuff, and I guess some military officials saw
him like like looking, and he goes, you know, whatever
you see here, you better be quiet about it. They're
going to be finding your bones out in the desert.
And you know what people believe that, and I believe
that that, you know, in other words, they're not bluffing.
How's that.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
No totally true, because it might not. Let's just say,
let me throw on the other side of the coin here.
Maybe it's not even anything remotely extraterrestrial. Perhaps it's something
that they themselves created, some sort of hybrid thing that escaped,
or some sort of project that kind of leaked out
a little bit, and they're trying to rein it back.
And who knows, those bodies have not even been alien.

(30:49):
It could have been some unfortunate guy that ran into
something and they kind of just like, you know, sorry, pal,
you know too much. You know, you never know.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Let me tell you something. Maybe seven years ago, eight
years ago, I was speaking to this priest about something
else and he tells me he's teaching. The conversation came
out because he was doing teaching at this university that
was right next to the high school I went to.
I went to a Catholic high school and this was
a separate campus and it was and we started talking

(31:18):
and I say, oh, what do you teach at the university.
He goes, oh, bio medical ethics. I go, yeah, what
is that about? And he goes, well, you know what's
ethically okay to do? And I said, but what do
you mean? So we start getting and he's basically teaching
a course on what is ethically correct when they're doing
research medical research, And I said, what do you you know?

(31:41):
I'm asking like. He goes basically that some of these laboratories,
which a lot of times they're out of the United States,
they do a lot of weird stuff with animals and
human hybridization. And I was looking at him, like what
and he goes, yeah, And my course is about the
ethics that even if something is you can't say, well,
maybe well it's lab is that it's not against the law,

(32:03):
but ethically medically, you know, you shouldn't do that. That
was what his course was. And I was like what.
I was like, okay, there you go. You know, if
you're teaching a class about this and a university, this
has got to be going on. He goes, yeah, it
does at these laboratories and they do a lot of
stuff that, uh, maybe once upon a time we thought

(32:24):
of its sci fi, you know, think of the Island
of Doctor Moro kind of deal.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yes, now just recently was it last year where they
uncovered that lab with all the beagles.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Yes, that's horrible. That is horrible.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
That is horrible, And I'm a dog lover and I
just I'm seeing that as like got a little lump
in my throat seeing them pictures. But that I mean
that does happen.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yes, yes, yes, but there we're talking here experimentation in
like between which normally you think, okay, suppose you can't
genetically certain species, well cannot reproduce they just they're not compatible,
like you can't all right, you know, is are they doing?

(33:09):
It's sounding like, okay, what are they doing? Are they
trying to hybridize humans with some type of other animal?
And it's one of those things that even if they're
not successful, that they're actually attempting it. How's that? And
I'm sure you heard this came out like a couple
of weeks ago, about cloning humans for spare body parts. Yes,

(33:31):
And by the way, I read this story back in
the nineties, there used to be a magazine called Omni.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I've never forgotten it before for a little while, remember.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, then then it went away like it and I
never That's how I never forgot it. And I remember
bat reading this in the nineties that they were saying
we could This is around the time that cloning was starting.
You know, they had discovered the genome and they were
talking about cloning, and it even come out with movies,
including from one from Schwartzenegger and all that, and they're

(34:01):
saying same thing. You know, we could clone a body,
take out the part of the brain that gives it identity,
only leave parts of the brain for breathing to make
the body operate right, and basically it would be a
body just for spare parts. And I was like, God,
that's horrible. Are you telling me that it has no soul?
It was like it was a horrible idea. This is

(34:21):
back in the nineties. Fast forward twenty five years and
here we're talking like, yeah, it's like a done deal
or you know, you don't have to worry. And of
course this is going to be only available to people
who have deep pockets. You don't have to worry now
if you need a transplant that your body's going to
reject a transplant because this is you. You know, we're taking

(34:42):
a liver or heart or lung or whatever it is
that you need from you because it's been basically cloned
from you, and I was like that, and I was like, God,
that's what do you have like a human body? That's
just like I don't know, it's like the kind of
nightmare scenario. And again, yeah, I know we're talking. We

(35:05):
were supposed to talk about the paranormal, but it kind
of bleeds over. Then it goes into like AI and
what's gonna happen with all these biomedical you know, how
far are they going to go? Because you know, you
always have some scientists that will say, you know what,
we got to stop this is this is not good.

(35:26):
And then there's always the little psychopath and the scientific
group that says we're gonna do it just to prove
that we can, you know that kind of deal. So yeah,
that's that's the Uh, that's sometimes it's the and the
things is by the time we find out, as in
I say, normans the general public, it's twenty years later
or ten years after the fact.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, just like when we get our we have technology
like a cell phone or things like that that's already
been twenty years old because we've been used somewhere else.
And I remember a point I don't know if was
late nineties or early two thousands, where they were doing experiments.
I think on rats or mice, we're growing human ears
on their back.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yes, I've seen that, and I was like, oh god.
I'm like I look at that, and I'm like.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
I'm an animals.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Oh yeah, yes we do.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Damn too.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
I'm an animal lover. And I look at that and
I was like, in God. And by the way, I'm
going to going back that story that I told you
about that hospital that was at the at the base.
It got that it was like this little hospital and
it got replaced in a bigger one. By the way,
you know that the staff there reported seeing the ghost
of ET's there at that hospital. They would say they

(36:41):
described something with a big head, and I was like,
I was like, oh my god. You know, we never
think of that, the extraterrestrials, the ghost of extraterrestrials. And
they said that they were so easy to describe because
the bigger you know, what they were describing was like
what you think of as a gray which is the head,
you know, the skinny body. That was like, holy crap,

(37:07):
the ets do have like And then then we start
going down that rabbit hole about ets having souls. You know,
we always think we were the only ones with souls.
I don't know. It opens up a whole new idea
as to really what's out there.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
I mean we're talking about. It does open a lot
of i'll say, options on what it is that's going on.
But then again, not you, but we will understand that
humans we've only been around for twenty thirty thousand years,
this version of Maddy. Perhaps we don't even know what
was before us.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Oh no, of course not. Well, they're finding out, I
don't know if you've heard there, they're finding out a
lot of stuff is older than they originally thought, as
far as ancient civilizations, that the these these markers that
they had put. They're like, no, everything here is much
older than what you guys have been talking about. You know,
like forget that theory that those you know, those academics
is like, no, nope, nope, nope.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, don't don't even upset the academics.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
They don't like to Oh my god, no, you know,
those egos, No, they get you know, they've got this.
There's been a lot of I say that a lot
of times history has been suppressed because let's say, if
an academic says this is what it is, and no,
especially if they come from a reputable university, Nobody wants
to go against their word because they're the expert. And

(38:31):
they say that as a matter of fact, when you
have like a group of these older guys die is
when new innovations come in, because you know, everybody's more
open to new ideas or new theories. How's that new
theories or new timelines or whatever the case might be,
because for lack of a better word, their egos get
in the way. Plus, you know a lot of times

(38:52):
these programs were running grants, you know, and you will
get a grant money if you were successful or you
were you know, you had a breakthrough or things like that.
So if anybody remember the opening scene of Ghostbusters, you
remember the at the beginning that they all work at
the university, that they all work at the university, and

(39:14):
there they they need to get money for their for
their for their program, you know, because otherwise they would
and this guy, oh my god, this comedian, he goes,
now we're gonna have to work for a living, like
we have to provide results. You know. It was like, oh,
that was like.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, they got thrownquipment.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Right right, and they had to then he goes, can
you imagine we have to work in the private sector
and have results? Like yeah, so yeah, that that motivates
a lot of people, like just to keep it, you know,
that's my theory is the right one. And we'll keep
it that way because I need to keep my my
grant funds coming this way.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, I understand you follow the money.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yes, what is it benefits?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
M And I'm going to go back to something. Sure,
you said you're talking about a hospital, and then you
talked about the an entity or a spirit of an
extraterrestrial Yes, this is the only this is the only
way I could segue to this question. Go ahead, let's
talk about season one, episode twelve, Haunted Hospitals. Yes, how
how were you approached to be on this show? How

(40:23):
do they find you? And what did you talk about?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Well? They were they they I had. This was the
same producers for Paranormal Survivor. Okay. So, and it's really funny, diego,
because even back in the early two thousands, I was
getting contacted by producers of different shows for cases. This

(40:48):
was way back when, And I told them, Yeah, but
you know what, I can't tell you because these are
private homes and you know this confidentiality with people and
I can tell you about them, but I cannot, oh,
because they basically they wanted to talk directly to the
person that I had the problem. I said, look, I
can't do that. I can't do that. So even back then,
I was getting contacted by a lot of different producers

(41:09):
of these different shows. This was the very beginning two
three oh four. Then when I did do Haunted Hospitals,
this was the same producers as Paranormal Survivor that was
in the first season of that. And like I said,
they would always be contact me, Marlene, do you know
of this or about this type of you know, this
is the this is the way this show is the

(41:31):
angle of this show. Do you have anything or anybody
that you know that you could send us? I said.
When they contacted me about Haunted Hospitals, I said, well,
I got this. You'd let me know if this fits
what you're looking for. And it was, and this was
an experience I had had when I was an investigator,
and and basically that's that's how I ended up doing that,

(41:55):
the one for the Haunted Hospital. But you know, the
shows are first produced in Canada and then they release
them down here into the United States.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Oh okay, I think what is that one TV station?
Is that Hant TV's out of Canada.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Hant TV, Hant TV. But the originally they like they
Travel Travel Channel Destination America and then Hant TV. I
haven't followed Travel, but I think they're all now on
Hant TV. They've picked up all the reruns of all
the different especially a lot of those Canadian even though

(42:33):
there's a lot of different ones on there by the.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Way, there are there's there's so many at this point
that sometimes I start thinking about are And I'm not
talking about you because you've been doing this for a
while now, so please don't take offense. There are so
many of these TV shows, so many of these teams
on there, you start thinking to yourself, are they doing

(42:57):
the right thing? Are they performing these stigations correctly? And
two are they in it for the right reasons? Oh?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
No, I can tell you they're not. I can tell
you they're not. It's it's it's entertainment. And I don't
blame them. You know, you're supposed to produce what within
forty five minutes, give or take. Let's say, when you
put in your advertising, you got to make something entertaining.
So yeah, and that's why sometimes you see these shows.

(43:26):
Sometimes it's the same places and or they hype up
like a moment and it's like anybody that's ever done
real paranormal research or been there, this is it's not
a no demand thing, all right. That doesn't mean something's
not there, but it's you know, and plus you know
these teams they have producers and people that set up

(43:47):
everything for them, and then they capture all these moments
and then they put them together and how's this. It's
safe to say that they put some sensationalism into the production.
How's that? Otherwise people wouldn't be entertained, they wouldn't so
but yeah, as far as the motivation, no, no. And

(44:10):
you know what, there's a lot of people that have
tried to go into paranormal research or they've joined a
group and they think that it's like what they see
in the shows, and then then when they find out,
well you might have to go on a weekend. You mean,
I gotta give up my weekend. Yep. And sometimes it's
really boring because you're there, like, you know, nothing happens,
doesn't mean nothing's there, but there's a lot of times.

(44:33):
It's so it's not like they expect things to be
popping off just like what they see in the shows.
And that doesn't always happen all the time. Sometimes there's
stuff that's happened. I'll tell you what. Yes, there's some times,
but a lot of times stuff doesn't happen. You run
into you run into a very a lot of unusual people.
You know, you run into a lot of unusual people

(44:54):
that you're like, okay, you know that. That's another thing.
Let me tell you something with paranormal research that you
have to be really careful where you're going to the
location because or what the motivation is, or if you
have somebody that because I used to do a lot

(45:15):
of so I used to work with a foundation. They
used to cover the state of Florida, So I work
with a lot of different groups. I was always a
freelance investigator and I would whatever they asked me to do.
Usually it was sent first out what they call an
investigation to see if there was something there, and if
they found something there, then they would schedule the other one.
So whatever they asked me to do, and they would say, Martin,
can you call these people up and do like a

(45:36):
phone interview, and I would do the phone interview and
go through certain questions and it's incredible. People sound very
reasonable and what's the word I'm looking for? Normal? And
then you get there and you're like, what like one
time I got We got we went to this house
and we had three teams, people coming from three different

(45:56):
so we stayed outside waiting till everybody got there. We
didn't want to go in before, and we were waiting,
I think for one more group together a couple of
other people, and one of the guys he goes up
and he goes, comes back. He goes, you know that
there's mannequins dressed in post in the in the living room. Right.

(46:19):
I said what? I said? What did you say? And
then for a minute I said, no, well, you know what,
maybe these people are involved in the these fashion design
industry or something, or they have a store. Then it
comes back, because he was bored. He goes and everything
is in black and white. I go, what what do
you mean? He goes, everything is decorated black and white,

(46:41):
and even the mannequins are dressed in black and white.
I was like, okay, so sure enough we went in there.
Sure enough, the whole house was everything. I mean when
I mean everything with that grand black Oh, which is fine,
it's fine, But they did have these mannequins post on
the sofa, these two women mannequins post on the sofa
with the dress, you know, And later on I'm talking

(47:01):
to them and I'm like, okay, I'm waiting for them
to tell me, oh, we have a store or it's
a gag or something. No, they were serious and I'm
talking you know, these old time you know, the mannequins,
like the hard plastic you know, mannequins with I was like,
I mean, that was a whole we had that. That
case involved a grandma, community dead grandma by the way,

(47:22):
communicating with one of the on the old cell phones
I supposedly was disconnected. And yeah, it took off from there.
But it was one of those things that sometimes you're like,
but you sounded so okay with the phone, and then
other we saw the things, you know, when we were
you know, the one of the questions was, you know,

(47:45):
which we asked, was is anybody taking any type of drugs?
And by this we mean pharmaceutical not you know, And
she's like, well, me and my husband we've been taking
pills for depression. I said, okay, that's fine, you know,
and I said, how about any other household members. Oh,
we have our son who was supposed to be like
a teenager, right, he was the one that's getting most

(48:07):
of the communications from the grandmother. I said, okay, fine.
So we're here walking around and I said, somebody, hey,
you know, let's take some base temperatures. You do this,
you do that, Let's see what we could gather from
the beginning, right. And one of the times I'm standing there,
this was a big house by the way, very nice neighborhood,
exclusive neighborhood, and I'm looking down the hallway and I
see dad boy himself a big old drink, and I

(48:28):
was like, if you're telling me you are a meds
for depression and you're taking a big giant it's like, ah,
your credibility is just starting to plummet. Okay, like something
here is And you know what, they were very nice people,
by the way, but still it damaged their credibility a
little bit. And a lot of times I want to say, diego,

(48:49):
there's how's this. There's some type of dysfunction or something
going on in the family. And they kind of like
put it on the paranormal, you know, or something. Some
times a paranormal is aggravating it, right, Sometimes a paranormal
is aggravating it. But and I guess my point is
that as a paranormal investigator, either to investigate the paranormal,

(49:11):
you know, I can't be like, I don't want to
get caught in the middle of a family because that's
not your place. You see what I'm saying. You know,
you're you're just there like they're like, do you have
a ghost? What's going on? This is what you need
to do, or no, it's not. I've had I've gotten
into uh an investigation with the ladies telling me she's

(49:35):
getting writing on her mirrors, like on her bathroom mirrors.
This is a huge house and they had these bathrooms
with these huge mirrors, and she's telling me, oh, I'm
getting messages written on my mirrors. Okay. I went in
with another guy. He's walking around, he's taking photographs all
over the place, and I'm like, okay, you know what,

(49:56):
and you know and you know, when you write something
with a soap film uncle, that's what it looked like.
But I said, okay, and I can't remember what it was,
but it was nothing that I said. Okay, well, I said,
we're going to come back. She goes because you know,
there's something here and I was like, well, what do
you mean besides that? So she shows me, by the way,
this is I'm going to date myself. This is before.

(50:18):
This is when you had to develop film. Okay, now
the digital. She shows me a picture of herself, a
couple of pictures of herself, and she's sitting at her
dining room table and you remember when people will get
red eye from when you know, from the flash bold thing.
She gives me this picture and she's like one of
these like looking with the red eyes. And I'm looking
at him, like, oh, what am I supposed to see?
And I was like, okay, see look at me. And

(50:38):
I was like, okay, she know, she's trying to tell
me that she's can't get kind of possessed or something's
going on, because she's got the red eye in the
picture from the flash. And I'm looking at that and
I'm like, oh, I said, well, you know, what, did
you feel something? And she's like, no, can't you see
by looking at my face? I'm like those of the moments,

(51:00):
those uncomfortable moments where you know it's maybe it's not
paranormal or supernatural what's going on, But it's very difficult
to tell some time some clients. That's what I'm saying,
you have to be real careful that what's going on
is nothing to do with the supernatural, because they're not
going to welcome it. They're convinced it is. And this
case is ladies thinking I'm getting possessed or overcome and

(51:20):
that's why I got red eye in a picture. So
it's sometimes you have a lot of experiences along that
you know those lines, and but yeah, ask me. I mean,
I've got I've got a lot of how's this. I've
gone to famous places, and then I've got a lot
of cases where it was residential. You know, stuff happened
and you're not gonna see them on the TV. How's that?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah? And especially with those famous places, I would assume
they wouldn't want to be known for having a hearted
location or communicating with spirits. But leaving names out were
you these I'll say celebrities are better known people. Once

(52:03):
you get to their door, you find out who they
were saying. I say, you're knocking a door, somebody answers
it and it's like, oh, I'll use this as an
example always Billy Ray Cyrus, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
It's like, oh, you know what, I never had that situation.
Most of the historical places is the ones that when
I say residential, like normal residential versus you know, you
have these historical places that all these people go to,
like whether it's a hospital or an asylum or a prison,

(52:40):
or certain places that are known to be haunted that
you know that are open to the public. I mean,
I've done some of those, and to be honest with you,
after a while, I'm not gonna say all the time
if anything was ever there, it's gone, it's gone, it's
or or if you speak to a sent or guide,

(53:01):
if they're willing to talk to you, because a lot
of times they're prohibited from doing that, they'll tell you, yeah,
if you hear anything, it'll be when either when we
get here and open up the place, or when everybody's gone,
in other words, or when we're closing the place down
that we'll hear something like maybe somebody walking around or something.
But to go in there, those places are really sometimes

(53:23):
super difficult to really get any type of proof to
gather any type of proof, And like I said, and
a lot of times, for lack of a better word,
they just if at any time there was anything paranormal
going on, it's just dissipated or the spirit got fed
up with being asked, what's your name? You know what
happened to you? You know that kind of deal. And
again there's some this is something else that I've found

(53:46):
out through the years. Sometimes when you go to certain places,
there's an expectation like, oh, this is the ghost or ghosts.
They're supposed to haunt this place. Okay, Now there's something
that are called discarnatescars are spirits that are not tied
to a particular spot. Okay, they're free floaters. What happens
is when a team goes in there to do an investigation,

(54:08):
it's like the word gets out. There's a bunch of
people that are going to try to communicate with dead people.
So sometimes you will get this Garnets come into the
location that have nothing whatsoever to do with that place
or with that haunting, with that family or whatever. They're
just desperate to communicate. And even if you have a
psychic but I can tell everybody when you do this

(54:30):
work for a while, you develop a sixth sense to
go with it. So they're like, I'm hoping somebody is
going to be able to hear see me. So you
get you get a lot more than people believe. You
got a lot of free floaters that come in around
investigations wanting to communicate. And before I forget one of

(54:50):
my tip offs, when I knew that I was going
to have a either one I was going to get
a call for an investigation, or two it was an
intelligence is. I used to have my hypnosis office. I
used to have it as part of my house, but
like in a detached garage, and I hadn't closed it,

(55:10):
and the only window I had there was the frosted glass,
and this window would look out like to a little
passageway that I had that would look out to the
backyard of my house. And as a matter of fact,
I would put my trash cans there and I would
stay there working sometimes at night. If I was always there,
and all of a sudden, I would start seeing some

(55:31):
type of shadow or something going by that frosted glass.
Of course I would stand up and look, especially if
nobody was supposed to be there, and it'd be like, oh, okay.
And by the way, the window was high up, it
wasn't it couldn't be a cat, a dog and animal,
you know. Plus it's on the inside of my property.
It's not like a sidewalk where anybody could go walking by.

(55:54):
Sure Enough I would see some type of movement and
they're checking you out, even before you know that you
to be called in on a case those entities. That's
number one. I would say like within three days, maybe
the most four days, or maybe the next day, I'll
get an email or a call, Hey, we've got this case.
I'd be like, yeah, I knew it. That's number one.

(56:16):
Number two, if I already knew about the case, then
I would know, Okay, there's something there, and whatever it
is is intelligent because it's checking me out. Anybody that's
done work for a while will tell you that. Yes,
they will tell you that. They'll say they come to
check you out. That's number two. And as a matter
of fact, a lot of times also they let's say

(56:39):
a family has called in a group all right, and
they'll say, oh, come in next week or next you know,
like a week out. All of a sudden, everything dies down,
Everything dies down to the point that they'll call and
call offs like oh everything has calmed down, or you
get the eleventh hour people canceling, and I'd be like, yeah,

(57:02):
something's going on here that they would just at the
last minute and they would well can you come back, okay,
And then the second time and it'd be like, you
know that something there is messing with them, in other words,
enough to manipulate them to want to make them cancel
the investigation. I had one time where I had a
young lady that she had something going on with her

(57:26):
which was pretty serious. I don't want to say she
was out and out possessed or obsessed, but she was.
She had some type of demonic oppression going on with her,
and she wouldn't leave the room while we were there.
She refused to leave the room. And by the way,
this girl was a teenage girl. She was not a
hefty girl, and she was making holes in the wall.

(57:47):
She would like lose her she was, and she would
refuse to come she would, and we would just it
would just me and another person that went there. Refuse
to come out and talk to us, refuse to come
out and talk to us all the time. And sometimes
that's what happens the most important person in the case

(58:08):
they don't want to speak to you, and that's.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
A good down.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Well, like she went into a room and she closed
the door and she wouldn't come out, and she would
not come out, and her mom said, please come out,
come out. Nope, nope, nope, nope, and so in other words,
sometimes if it's that kind, I'm not talking here about
a haunting of a place, and real quick, believe it

(58:34):
or not, what the source of it was? This this
property was out in kind of like a rural area.
Have you ever heard of crossroads magic, Diego?

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Okay, there's something about crossroads. Usually it's a three way
you know, where a lot of magic and in some cases,
dark magic is performed at crossways. As a matter of fact,
that's why they would put gallows and hang people because
supposedly that way, the spirit could not or the ghost
could not follow anybody home because it wouldn't know which

(59:08):
way to go. So a lot of magic and dark
magic is performed at crossroads, all right. As a matter
of fact, you'll even have stories. As a matter of fact,
one of the was it. Ben Johnson was a musician
that invoked the devil at a crossroads. But anyway, that's
another story. So apparently this property was right at the
corner this street, this street, and it goes like, this

(59:29):
was at the corner of a crossroads, and apparently some
type of very dark magic had been done at that
crossroads and it had bled over into the property. All right,
And I speak to her mom, and I said, what's
the history on this house. It wasn't that an old

(59:49):
house or anything. She goes, well, I don't know if
the family that I bought it from was the original builders.
I think they were, but I'm not sure. Or she goes,
it was an older thing. Was it a couple or
a lady. Yeah, it was an older couple. They had
a son who had mental problems, not mental as in slow.

(01:00:11):
He had some type of mental illness, nothing that he
was institutionalized for. But and she goes, you know what,
now that I come to think about it, he kept
saying that because they had this remember this South Florida,
this was tropical. They used to have big stands of
banana trees. And he goes, he says that he used
to always see a man back there standing where the

(01:00:34):
banana trees are because these were really older banana trees.
But I think everybody wrote the guy off because supposedly
he was not well and he didn't want to leave.
They wouldn't want to leave the house. And then finally
they moved out, and then the house stood empty and
then they, you know, they had taken it over. And
she says that she had found out about that from

(01:00:54):
the person that, you know, the real estate agent that
sold the house eventually to them. Apparently, I think this
guy was seeing things, but they were they were thought
of as he just wasn't right in the head. And
then you know, that's when and I think that what
was there that's eventually affected her daughter, which was a teenager,

(01:01:17):
which a lot of people that know about Poulter Guy's
activity know that a young adolescent, especially females, are the
usually the catalyst or the nexus for Poulter Guy's activity.
But yeah, and he would keep telling his mom, oh, yeah,
there's somebody, there's a man. I see that man standing
over there. And by the way, that thing of seeing
things in the yard spirits in the yard. That's very common.

(01:01:40):
I don't know why. It's almost like they can they
can be out in the yard. But for some reason
something doesn't permit them to come into the house.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
That's interesting. Is there some sort of I want to say,
energy or a barrier they can't cross over, or is
there some sort of other spirit not allowing them in
their house?

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Well? Had I've run into both scenarios one had We
had one case. This was in Fort Lauderdale, Margate. This
is many years ago. This was the one that I
told you that they didn't want the thing to follow
them home. They say, they when we get there, they say, look,
we've had this house for like four or five years.
They were moving to North Carolina. We've had this thing

(01:02:19):
where they tell us that the real estate agent tells
them this story. Oh, when they move in there they
find angels all over the place, statues of angels inside,
outside on the yard. They go like, how many angels?
You know? It was like too much. And when the
family left, they left all this behind, right, So this
is what triggered them asking the real estate agent, Hey,

(01:02:39):
what's up with the angel thing. The real estate agent
tells them, look, the family that was here, they were
very Christian, very He goes, but something, I don't know
what to tell you. The day that we were supposed
to go to the closing, even though I'm Jewish. They
made me stand in a prayer circle with them right
before they went to the closing right and we went

(01:03:00):
to the closing, and of course it was successful. These
other people move in, So their haunting was they kept
seeing something. This house was that had a patio, you know,
big sliding glass doors in the back, and they shared
the yard like the neighbors. They didn't have a fence up,
so if you wanted to, you go to walk from
yard to yard through the backyard if you want to

(01:03:21):
go to the neighbors, and they kept seeing somebody out
there or their window would shake. They also had a
bathroom with a window to the back. And apparently what
they were all seeing is some young girl, some young
lady or something that looked like that going from yard
to yard to yard. Now we we theorized, how's that

(01:03:47):
that whatever this family had done as far as prayers,
because apparently something had been going on originally in the
house got kicked out where it couldn't get in the house.
So she was doing was up and down outside the house.
And then you know, we talked to a couple of
the neighbors and they said, yeah, we kind of see

(01:04:07):
something sometimes. Come to find out that development had been done,
like around the nineteen seventies, around that time, not too
far away from the construction site, they had sinkholes. Okay,
then who was it? I can't remember. One of the
group did some research and around the time that they

(01:04:28):
were doing the construction there, they had found a girl's
body in one of these sinkholes, like a young woman's
body in one of the sinkholes. Okay, And as far
as they know she'd be, she remained a Jane Doe.
They did not know who she was, all right, So
without knowing for sure, because sometimes there's just no way
of verifying it, we were guessing that that is who

(01:04:52):
they kept seeing walking up and down through the backyards,
and especially and that thing, the shaking of the sliding
glass doors, like something trying to get in that. I
think the family that was there did something. Now this
family here they are, they're leaving out of state, and

(01:05:12):
they were like, we want to make sure this thing
doesn't and we said, look, you're doing all the right things.
If anything, call us and maybe we'll get you in
touch with a group over there. We never heard from
them again. So I was gonna I'm going to assume
that they left and nothing went with them, nothing went
with them. But yeah, they Sometimes sometimes you don't get

(01:05:35):
definitive answers as to what it is what you were
asking about. Like one other time I went another investigation
and this was a gentleman. Who he was I want
to say, was he a merchant marine or something? I
don't know. He had a lot of stuff that he
had traveled around the world all over the place. He

(01:05:56):
had a lot of paraphernalias, weird stuff from all you know,
where people pick up this of that. He abought this
older Florida home even had the old jealousy windows. He
had that. And I was working with my dowsing rods,
and there was something inside that house but outside in
the yard because I there with my dowsing right was
an older lady who was the owner before he bought it, okay,

(01:06:20):
and she that's the thing about dowsing rods. When you
work with dowsing rods, it's very slow because you can
only ask like yes or no questions that kind of
deal like you. And basically, so I'm kind of like
condensing this. She was the owner and she says she
would not go inside because she saw the man that
was inside the house, and she anyway, she preferred to

(01:06:41):
be outside in the garden because this was her thing
that you know, the back house. The backyard had all
these fruit trees and all these things, like you know,
you could tell somebody at one point, I've done a
lot of gardening there. In other words, she stayed out
there because she did not want to go inside and
deal with the spirit of that man that was inside
the house. Right. So yes, sometimes you hear about that

(01:07:04):
where you have a ghosts or you know, where you
get one that kind of like manages everybody who kicks
them out, or one of them is like, you know,
let me stay out of your hair. Like in other words,
they're aware of each other. Everybody that thinks that ghosts
all get get along together. No, no, not really, not
really no.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
I mean if humans we can't get along. Sometimes I
think in the afterlife probably the same behavior still happens.
And with all these investigations that you've done in has
anything followed you back to your place?

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
One time? Oh okay, one time I learned where it was.
When you're doing this for a long time, people come
and go and you're still around. So I learned early
on to take a smudge stick and smudge my car
going over the trunk and let me explain why one time. Usually,

(01:08:03):
like I said, sometimes people would write from different points,
so they would leave in a car. So we would say, hey,
you know, we're not going to sit here in front
of somebody's house and have like a little meeting. There's
a b k where there's a gas station down the street.
Let's meet there and we'll just do like a brief,
you know, debrief before we put out our reports whatever.
So one time we're there and there's one late I'll

(01:08:24):
never forget. She had a saturn, you remember the old saturns. Yes,
and this was also the time of the the beanie
babies and she had a million beanie babies and crap.
So we're sitting there and we parked the cars and
everybody's just sitting there like what do you think you know? Bsbsbs,
And all of a sudden we hear something thumping around
in the trunk of her car, and you know, everybody

(01:08:47):
looks at one another like this is not like something.
First of all, the cars are turned off, everything, every
everybody's parked we're just talking and we're like we look
at her like, and she's looking at us and we're like,
what I mean. It looked, for lack of a better word,
it sounded like something was alive in there, not like
something fell off. It was bam like that. And we

(01:09:10):
looked at her and we're like, it's your car. You're
gonna have to We're not gonna open it. We're not
gonna open the trunk, man, it's gonna be you. So
she's looking at us like okay. So she's like you
could tell she's coming to open that trunk, like, oh
my god. She puts a truck nothing there. I think
she had, you know, some stuff the trunk. You know.
We're like, okay, you know, everybody's behind it like ready

(01:09:30):
to like yeah, Greg Ghos Hunters Man, we're ready to.
Like so then she's like okay. Then she I think
she went to her in the front of her car
something and she comes back and she goes, you're not
gonna play. She had all these beanie babies and crap
all over her her dashboard and she goes, man, a
bunch of my beanie babies are thrown off the dashboard

(01:09:52):
and we're like what, and it was like, I mean,
it really sounds innocuous, but it shows you that stuff
can follow you. And we all were like looking at
each other like Okay, this is going on. That's when
I learned I would smudge it. I've had other paranormal
investigators tell me, hey, Marlene, I know somebody's hanging out.

(01:10:14):
Somebody's hanging out with me. I could tell somebody's like
they're shadowing me. And we learned early on you don't
engage with it, It'll go away unless your ors stand out
or stressed out big time about something and your oars.
Then if you ignore it and don't engage, like don't
start like what's your name? Why are you here? Don't

(01:10:34):
do that, don't do that, don't do that. You know, no,
it'll go away. It'll go away because if you engage
with it, you know, then it's like, you know, that's
the invite, that's all that it needs. It might have
been a free floater. You might remind the spirit of
his sister, his brother, his whatever, his buddy, the friend,

(01:10:54):
his mother. No, don't engage and eventually, after two, three,
four days, it just goes away. But again, you have
a lot of people that make that mistake, and also
that thing about I'm sure you've heard about it. People
that think, oh, it's a little kid. It's like, oh,
that's a big problem. I'm sorry. Whenever to me, if

(01:11:15):
we ever got a case where they was supposed to
be a little kid, I was very extremely cautious. I
would say eighty percent of the time, not one hundred,
but eighty percent of the time it was not a kid.
It was not a kid. It was something else and
usually dark that was manipulating the humans by making it
think it was a kid. That's why you have to

(01:11:37):
be really careful. And most people they're thinking, you know,
it's a kid, how can it be poor kid? You know,
maybe he's lost or she's lost, and it's like, I understand,
but chances are whatever it is wants you to engage
with It wants you to talk to it before you

(01:12:00):
realize exactly who it is you're dealing with or what
you're dealing with. How's that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Wow, it's kind of like you're talking about they're sitting
a trap down? Is that one of those things where
in your book Paranormal Safety, did you put any tips
related to something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Yeah, I would say First of all, I said, Number
one is to take ownership of your house. Like, don't think,
oh my god, it was helpless that And you know
that even if let's say you have a paranormal team
and they come and they do something, or even if
you have a priest come in and blessed or whatever
it is, or a minister that comes whatever, you need
to keep Number one, you got to stay away from

(01:12:35):
the paranormal. Sorry, you cannot engage in this field anymore,
because even if you get rid of it. I tell
everybody you know that you're earmarked, all right, So you
can't dabble into paranormal anymore. Even if it fascinates you,
don't do that. That's number one. Number two you got
to keep doing whatever it is, prayers, smudging, holy water,

(01:12:57):
whatever I'm talking across the board, whatever your spirit true
beliefs are. You got to reclaim the space of where
you live. This is your place. You are the one
that is supposed to be there, not the spirit. You know,
once you give it mentally that dominion over you, you
have a problem, all right. One of the times, I

(01:13:19):
don't know if I had mentioned it to you, diego,
Like one time I was listening. His name is difficult
to pronounce doctor father, Rippinger or Rippensburger or something like that.
I know I'm he and by the way, I like
him because he gives practical advice about things of this nature.
He is a Catholic priest, and he says that you

(01:13:41):
can go ahead, if you have a property and you
can buy those salt licks that they sell for deers,
go get him blessed and burying them in the four
corners of your property to keep evil out. Salt all
these things that are known, you know, as that that
are laying down barriers. I've had scenarios where people have said,

(01:14:01):
well about cleansing the house, and they've cleansed their house
or they've put down barriers with salt, whether it's at
the entry ways or the windows or at the corners.
And then it's really funny because then they'll have certain
friends and or families that don't want to come visit anymore.
Why do you think that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Is because they got something attached there?

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
Yeah, big, go, yep, that's exactly what it is. That
person will then say, well, instead of coming to the house,
why don't we go and meet at so and Soone
have dinner there, or somebody that, let's say, was telling
you I'm going to spend the day with you, and
all of a sudden, like thirty minutes later, they're like, uh,
you know, they gotta go where they gotta leave I
said then, And by the way, by this, I don't

(01:14:45):
mean this person is a bad person. They might have
something with them that they themselves don't know that you know,
or that they haven't told you. It's not like they're like, oh,
this is a bad person. Sometimes it is, but other
times there's just something walking with them that is get
out of here, get out of here. So people don't
realize that when they do these cleansing and they put

(01:15:06):
these barriers down you certain people might want not want
to come to your house or will leave very quickly
after they arrive. And and I'm gonna tell this is
really funny because I've had people where they've been having
work done on their property, like maybe construction or reminds

(01:15:26):
or something something, and they've done it and then they
have a problem with their workmen coming back and it's like, yeah,
you should have done that after the work was finished.
People don't realize that that works across the board, that
when you put these barriers down, it's not like, oh,
by the way, but you know you don't you know
these people that, let's say, come and work on your property,

(01:15:47):
you have no idea what's going on in their lives
or what they do or what they dabble in or
what's going on you. All they do is to show up
and work for you or work for a company that
you hired. And when you lay this down, that's it.
It's it's like kryptonite, you know, but you have to
That's one of those aspects that you really know that
it's working because of that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Yeah, yeah, And I guess it's one of those things
we could advise if you have an issue in your home,
do you want to keep these things out? Take your
advice and do what you said with the salt. Now
for the listeners or less, find out that let's go
step by step. Okay, when they want to learn more
about your books, and I know you have one coming out,

(01:16:29):
you're still writing it home.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
That's a fiction book. I do supernatural thrillers. As a
matter of fact, it's a tie into Dracula. It's a
vampire and everybody's like, oh my god, another vampire book. Nah,
I'm good. I'm doing a you know how people take
a character and they do an alternate version of the story.
I'm jumping off from Dracula and I'm basing it on
if anybody read. And by the way, I'm going back

(01:16:52):
to the original Bram Stoker Dracula. I'm not talking about
the you know, the the different versions you know, like
Twilight or the you know, the vampire that drives around
the Volvo. None of that. I'm going back to. You know,
there was one of the guys, Morris, was killed when
they went to Transylvania, to the Carpathian Mountains to destroy Dracula.

(01:17:15):
This is thirty years in the thirty years after this happened,
which was supposedly eighteen ninety seven, and this has takes
off from the Morris family. And that's also I want
to say. So it has a Dracula time, but not
what people think. And it's a chronicles. I've already written
three books in this called The Symbol Chronicles. That's fiction.
I also have nonfiction books, which has to do First

(01:17:37):
of all, you could go to Amazon and you can
find my If you go to Marlen Pardo Peliser, you'll
find my author book that are on Goodreads. Okay, you
go to my website Mpipeliser dot com Mimy Goes Chronicles
dot com. You'll find links there to the books, also
to the audio video versions of all the shows, whether

(01:17:58):
it's Stories of the Supernatural or Night to Shade Diary
or Supernatural story Time, and also my articles. And if
you really want to stay on top of it, you
can sign up for my newsletter on substack, which I
do a lot of articles there. Honestly, I don't write
for any I write for myself, my own publications. Every
once in a while I have gotten contacted to ask

(01:18:20):
for permission to reprint my articles, but I don't write
for any publication per se except my own. And then
I have Eerie News which I read all the interesting
weird stuff out there. God knows, there's always there's always
some weird stuff going all the time. What am I
talking about all the time? There's weird stuff going out

(01:18:40):
of the world.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Absolutely truth twenty four to seven cycle. It doesn't stop.
And now we're talking about your podcast, A Supernatural Storytime.
What do you have coming up the next few weeks?

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Let's see, Well, besides working on my book for release
it and I'll announce it. I have a lot of
interest to get I'm starting eighteen of Stories of the Supernatural.
The show's eight years old, so as a matter of fact,
I'm season eighteen covers from July to December of twenty
twenty five, and then before you know what, I'll be

(01:19:12):
going into twenty twenty six, because, as you know, Diego
production always goes way into the future. Yes, you know.
So Hey, by the way, if anybody wants to contact me,
you've got stories, You've got You're an author, you're weird.
You've got to explain stuff. In other words, whether you're
an author, an expert, a scientist, or just somebody that's
had weird contact me Marlenett miamigos Chronicles dot com for

(01:19:35):
an interview. I believe me, I'm not a snob when
it comes to that. I'm willing to listen. The best
stories I've ever heard have been from people that go,
don't tell anybody, but you know what happened. I was like, really,
what happened? Because you know, you get confided in a
lot when people think that you're not going to be
like you're crazy or like oh so yes, so of course,

(01:19:56):
contact me and maybe I can set you up for
an interview. But yes, I'm I'm booking best right now.
That's what my point is for season eighteen. Those stories
are the supernatural.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Excellent and you mentioned it. It's interesting how when people
finally get comfortable with you and they find out what
it is that you do, like if you're writing a
books about supernatural paranormal will have a podcasts, especially at work.
I've noticed that the little stand office sometimes and then
when they catch you by theirselves, hey yeah, this age

(01:20:26):
or this happening, it's kind of really cool because then
you get to listen to their story and then you know,
I always love talking to somebody about their experiences and
giving them my opinions. But I said, you know, ultimately
it's up to you what you think it happened. But
you know, but thank you for sharing. Right So, Marlene,
it's been a pleasure having you on the show. And

(01:20:47):
oh my goodness, I love everything that you're doing. I
listen to your stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Yeah, have to come back and be my guest because
you've got a lot of interesting stories, especially if you're
working on book number two. You know, let me ask
you what number two is going to be about the cryptids, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
So what I'm doing a gathering, not much of a collection.
So with cryptids, No, I've never had an actual cryptid
experience now something similar, and maybe I'll talk about that
on your show. I don't even know if I mentioned that. Sure,
but it's different chapters about mostly lesser known cryptids because

(01:21:27):
you know, Bigfoot always gets to shine Mothman lock Nes.
So you're looking at like the Mount Rushmore cryptis, but
there's so many other ones that I just learned about
that I'll say I never heard. And then so I'm
gathering these stories, you know, different centuries. I'm usually I'm
talking about or writing about cryptis in the United States

(01:21:49):
because it's easier for me to do because I can't
really tell you about a cryptid in Germany or Russia
when I don't even know the history that well. So
it'll be mostly about American cryptids. So more of the
like the lesser known of course, and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
Right right right, And that's the thing, you know, like
you said, Lockness, bigfood, they're the ones like how's this,
They're like the universally known ones. Uh as far as
cryptids are not like you'd say it and everybody goes, oh, yeah, sasquatch.
But you know what, there's a lot of different things

(01:22:27):
that are seen, like especially like let's say, like the
Lockness But you know, there's a lot of lakes here
that have you know, in the United States and in Canada.
You know, I'm gonna say North America that have their
own versions of a Lockness monster. And I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna ride on your parade that not only

(01:22:47):
do they stay in the water or have been seen
like coming out like they're mostly aquatic like an amphibian,
like they'll be in the water, but they've been seen
on laying around the lake shore. I mean, and there's
a lot of cryptids out there, like you said, that
people are just not familiar with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Yeah, so you almost hit the nail on the head
and some of them. So I'll definitely tell you about
some of the ones that I rediscovered because I didn't
discover anything, but I rediscovered these stories because I think
these stories, like you know, whether it's folklore or traditions,
are very important to keep those things alive because that's
the history of our people, that's the history of our country. Yeah,

(01:23:22):
I think it's you know, it's important to keep these
things alive.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Sure, yes, yes, And whether whether it was a real
thing or whatever or folklore. I think folklore is very important. Yeah,
it's part of history, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
And a lot of those are cautionary tales.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
And sometimes you got to really pay attention because they're
trying to tell you something without telling you something.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
And yeah, like don't go to that dark mountain. That's
everybody said, don't go there because people disappear. I'm only kidding,
you know, you know what, And I would love to
discuss it. When you know, when you think of cryptids,
you know, and then you think about all these people
that supposedly disappeared at all these national parks, is like, hmmm,
you know, are we talking? Is one thing totally separate

(01:24:07):
from the other, or is one caused the causation? You know,
because everybody's got their version of what causes it. Et
is taking you, Bigfoot's taking you. People are stupid and
fall off the edge of a cliff, you know, that
kind of thing. Or cryptids. It could be someone known
crypted out there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Yes, and I'll give you a couple of teasers. Be
on the lookout for a story by the Ozark Howler
and the Vegetable Man. Vegetables.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Oh my god, I got to see I got we
got to talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Yeah, that's Virginia and I love living here.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Oh that's right, that's right, that's your neck of the woods.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Yes, yes, ma'am. I'm out here in the mountains and
I love it here. This is great. Is uh we're
having Miami weather right now. It's hot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
No, let me tell you something.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
It is today. We were commenting. It's like, man, it's
only May. What's going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
So I got plenty of sunstreen. My friend, Hey, thank
you for being on the show. And once that book
comes out, please come back. I love to talk about
it and I to talk more about your investigations and your
personal experiences.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Absolutely, you got it. Good luck to you. Take care.
It was wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Alrighty bye bye, Yep, we're good. Okay, Oh okay, there
you are.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Okay, something happened, but thank you. I got you and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Okay, I didn't know. I was about to get out
of the thing, and I didn't know if Okay, all right,
I didn't know if because I continue broadcasting even after
I speak to the I finished speaking to my guest. Okay,
but are you done or you paused? Right? Okay, I'm
out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Everything is done, and I just wanted to thank you.
And I know you're busy, but i'll I'll send you
all the links and

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
You got it, take care, Bye bye, oh boy here

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