Psychic Spy | Interview with Lyn Buchanan | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Oh how's everybody doing good? I hope, well, yeah, I'm
working out something. What working things out in the background.

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I'm telling you anyway, everything is good here. It's been rainy.
Let me tell you something. It's good. I know I
always I try to avoid it, but I can't do
hop doing commentary about the weather because you know, hot, well,
it's Florida, hot steam even northern Florida, and rainy, a

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lot of rain. And you know what, for all the
times that it's hot, the rainy, at least when you're
you've got our animals, it becomes very very muddy. You know.
It's like one of those that oh so yeah, yeah,
that's that's what I'm battling. But again, I say, now,
when you're in the throes of summer, it's like, man,
I can't wait for winter and get here. It's so
hot that when the winter comes in and you're like,

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oh my god, I can't wait to summer comes. Yeah,
I admit, weather wimp to the max to the nth degree.
You know what can I say? Uh, thank God for
air conditioning, that's all. Thank God for air conditioning. As
a matter of fact, I want to say that all
the things that I do regular upkeep on. It's my

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AC unit. Yes. And to think that once upon a
time people didn't have that luxury and they did just fine. Right,
it was like fan So I know that some people
had uh, you know, we're wondering about I've gotten received
different feedback as far as the that I asked about
the UFO stuff, like is it real? Is it not real?

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Was it something that the Pentagon made up?

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Like?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
In other words, they they denied the UFO sidings, but
then some claim that they're the ones that actually put
out some of the UFO stories. In other words, to
this and we're talking all the way back to Roswell
to detract from the development of certain aircrafts. In other words,

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that the UFOs, well, you know, sometimes we talk about it,
are the UFOs? Who's inside of it? It's not et,
it's us, you know, that's one of the theories out there,
or both, you know, or just d T. You know,
God knows that. You know, we're always behind the eight ball.
And the last time I there was that fire out
by Roswell. Nothing came up because I haven't heard anything

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else about it as far as anything happening. And I'm
sure they're you know, they're they're you know. And like
I said, I didn't think that anything out there like
could catch fire, but apparently there is. But I'm sure
it's well guarded. If there's still anything there, I mean,
let's go with conspiracy, shall we. But yeah, it's kind
of crazy, and right now, let's get to the good part.

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The good part is who is the guest today at
Stories of the Supernatural. This is his first time here.
His name is Leonard Lynn Buchanan. He's the executive director
of Problem Solutions Innovations PSI, which started as a small
data analysis company in the Washington DC area in nineteen
ninety two. After he retired from the military. In late

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nineteen ninety five, with the US government to classified their
remote viewing project, and information became public about Lin's prior
involvement with that project as one of the unit's remote viewers,
database managers, property book officers, and as the unit's trainer.
Public demands for training and applications became great, and PSI

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moved into the remote viewing field full time all right.
Presently PSI possesses the most complete body of data on
the applications of remote viewing. In real world applications, the
US government used a specialized form of remote viewing known
as controlled remote Viewing or CRV. Linn's involvement with CRV

(05:11):
came about by long strange and circutius. I'm having a
problem with that word. Circutius. Forget it. Series of events,
some parts of which are still classified. Linn was brought
into the unit in nineteen eighty four and remaineder a
special assignment for the rest of his military career. I
want to segue, you know, I will come back to

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that word, because circuitius. I hate now I know what
it means, and I hate not being able to pronounce
a word. Anyway, Let's keep going. As a young man, Lynn,
I've been a military computer expert for Nike Ajax, Nike
Hercules guided missile systems. He had a twelve year break
in service, during which he gained to bea but psychology
of bing linguistics and an MA linguistic psychology. He then

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taught foreign languages in East Texas, re entering the service
in nineteen seventy four, he became a military linguist, specializing
in German, Russian, and Spanish. After re entering the military,
he was stationed in Japan for four years, where he
also gained the proficiency in Japanese and Mongolian, becoming the
only Mongolian linguists and all branches of the US military.

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After his assignment to Japan, he returned to the Defense
Language Institute for another year to attend their higher level
Russian course and became one of only twelve Russian scientific
research linguists in the US Army. He was unassigned to
a four year stint at the US Intelligence Field Station Alsburg, Germany,
a station which deals with mostly tactical traffic and very

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little scientific research traffic, but his skills and experience with
computers proved to be very rare, right at the time
when the military was just getting itself computerized. Lenn has
been plagued throughout his life with psychokinetic events. One faithful
day in Alsburg, such an event, parts of which are
still classified, happened and brought about official recognition and record

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of his ability. Shortly thereafter, the commander of the US
Intelligence and Security Command decided, because of these abilities to
transfer him to the Special Psychic Spying Unit at Fort Mead, Maryland,
where he planned to have Linn effect and or destroy
enemy computer systems WOW. This plan was awarded for funding reasons,
and Lynn became one of the unit's controlled remote viewers instead.

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After retiring from the US Army in nineteen ninety two,
he settled down with his wife and youngest son in Mechanicsville, Maryland.
He began working for a Beltway Bandit, a term used
for computer consultant companies which surround the Washington DC Beltway
and make their fortune working mainly governmental contracts. At the
same time, he began building his own company, which is PSI.

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During these years, he continued training people with the intelligence
within the intelligence community who were privy to the existence
of CRV and to the fact that he had been
the unit's trainer. In December nineteen ninety five, however, the
CIA effectively declassified the government's connection to and use of
CRV and the existence of the military unit. The public
became aware of CRV, and ps I quickly took to

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on the role of training CRV to the public, keeping
research data on the train CRV is, and developing new
civilian applications for the technology. Wow, I want to help
me welcome him? Wow? Waitlynn, is there anything you haven't done?

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I got as.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
I'd like to say, nothing, nothing is I've been so
busy that I don't get a chance to do nothing.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, you know what, let me tell you something. In
my nothing is underrated? All right, nothing is underrated. It's great.
Let me tell you. But uh, I mean I'm reading this.
You're bio and I'm like, what is there? Wow? Let
me ask you, just out of curiosity, did you before

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you went into the military and you start developing remote
viewing and even psychokinetic as a kid, did you ever
have any ability that constantly?

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Okay, okay, And I.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
Didn't develop the the anything in the remote unit okay
in existence for probably about fifteen years before they put
me there.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay. Let me ask you, how's this? How did they
pick people? Was it? Did they ask them something like that, like, hey,
do you have abilities? Or how would how were they
choosing people based on that kind of question?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
They were tracking, uh, would track people and then they
would give them the opportunity to look into it and
be there, you know. And that's what happened with me
in Alxburg, Germany. I've always said to speak ability, and

(10:05):
it only comes out when I'm emotional.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
So okay with your.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Life with an attitude of whatever. But an incident happened
that got me flaming, flaming angry. I mean just I
was ready to kill somebody and and I killed all
the computers.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Oh my god. Okay, did anybody know that it was
your fault? Or did you just walk away and say
I'm not talking about it? Well, how did you realize?
Was it was it? That just stuff went down?

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Oh? Yeah, And I knew exactly what happened. It was
about fifty million dollars worth of computers, and just by
chance or fate or guidance from the from God or
the universe or whatever, one of the officers that stumblebyd,

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the head of the Intelligence and Security Command, had trained
to spot these things. He was interested in using psychic
ability for military purposes, and he had trained officers to
spot these things. One of those officers just happened to

(11:21):
step into the room when that happened and saw it
and knew what happened. And I guess two months later,
uh General Stumblebind came out to the unit to uh,
install the new unit commander. And when he did, he
called me into the office and have you ever heard

(11:45):
of the movie The Minister at Goats.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yes, uh too.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
George Clooney played me in the movie, you know, okay,
And and General hat good I think it is. You know.
General Stovine got right up in my face with his
scowl in his face, and he said, did you kill
my computers with your mind?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
You're like, well, I.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Could see my great grandchildren still paying for computers, and
I intended to lie about it.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
And I said, yes, sir, I did. And this grin
came across his face and he said, far f and out.
Have I got a job for you. And he took
me to d C to start a unit that would
first of all, destroy enemy computers, with the end goal

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of learning how to instead affect those enemy computers so
that we could make their missiles turn around and go
back at them, or drop into the sea, or put
all information into those computers and all that.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
And it wasn't It was a funding thing because Congress
refused to fund it. And Congress got caught in in
the sixties doing mind control experience experiments on us citizens,
and Congress said.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh no, they were afraid that it was going to
go down that road.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
That sounds like mind control. We're not funding that. And
so General Stubblebaud just said, okay, well, we've got this
unit out here for remote viewers. He took me there
and put me in, and when he did, they read
me onto the unit, reading you on. In highly classified units,

(13:52):
they have a process called reading on. They don't tell
you okay. They hand you a sheet of paper that
tells you what the unit really does instead of what
they tell the public. It does, okay, and you read
it and at the bottom it says, if you're a realist,
anyone you know, while they're still classified, there's ten years

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in jail, ten thousand dollars fine, and all that sign here.
And so I signed it and I read it, and
I thought, this is a joke. The momentary doesn't do this.
You don't do psychic stuff, you know. And over the
next a couple of weeks, I watched the other guys

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in the unit and they were doing it with fantastic results. Oh,
I got trained in doing it, and finally it became
the trainer of the unit.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, let me ask you because I imagined it's got
to be different to affect something mechanical versus a living thing.
When they were.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
You're right, it is. Yeah. But in the unit, we
were an intelligence gathering unit, and we had strict, strict rules.
Passive viewing only, no right, no remote influencing, nope, none

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of that. Collect intelligence and reports what you get. And
we also had to obey Presidential Order eleven nine oh five, Okay, Kennedy,
which then changed to twelve three thirty three under Reagan.

(15:49):
I think it was and that forbade us to collect
any intelligence of US citizens without proper consent, and the
proper consent had to be proven reason for a crime,
for espionage or something like that, right, and it had

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at our level, it had to come from Congress.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
Let me ask it. I've got somebody questions. What happens
if let's say they give you I don't know if
they if you're doing the remote viewing, and let's say
an American citizen happens to be there, that's it too
bad for them? Right?

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Well, possibly the thing is in order to keep you
from being polluted, right, and you're doing so your conscious
mind didn't start kicking in and logic and all right,
they don't tell you any of what the anything about
what the target is. And they'll say, you know, this
is this is project ninety seven oh four or seven?

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Question three? What's the answer. That's all you get.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
So you didn't know nothing about where, location, or who
or why or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
No, you do your job, you report what you get,
you turn it into the intelligence community, and they act
on it. So in that case, you know, if something
did happen on that, we did not intentionally.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Right, That's what I'm saying. It was. It was just happened.
It was a byproduct or collateral. You were you know,
You'm sorry, right, you were a wrong place, wrong time. Sorry, yeah, right,
but it wasn't intentional. And I understand what you mean.
Now let me ask you. You said something really interesting
at the beginning, which was that they tracked They were

(17:45):
tracking people to identify them.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
How what General uh they being the intelligence community. I
don't think they did that. But General Stoebin had trained
officers to go out and look for these events, and
like I say, one of them stepped into the room

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writers I had that pique.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Event, right right, that's that's that's that's because and the
reason I asked this is like, what did they go
to psychic fares and pay that person is really good?
Or you know, I think they did.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
I think they did.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Okay, I was I was kidding about that, but okay,
I see what you mean, all right.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
And in fact, when I first went into the military,
they had just put all these questions about do you
believe in psychics and all that.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
I thought, I thought, well, yes, I do. I know
it works, but if I say yes, they won't let
me into the military. So I lied on it all
those years later, uh huh looking for people for the unit.
And I could have been in it my entire career.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
So that's so funny. And that is so funny, right,
like one of those things.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
But yeah, right.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
No, because let's face it, most people military and psychic
doesn't not on the same page at all, are from it.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Right, And you know, my my mother always encouraged it,
my father didn't, and everybody else that I've ever known,
Oh you're going to how do you know? And so
when those came up on that initial test, ali mm.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Hm, and I wish I hadn't well, you know, you
didn't know it. Most people would have done exactly what
you did though. Yeah, yeah, you know what it's really
interested one time when you said that thing about how
you were when you were when you got steamed. One time,
I was doing a paranormal investigation. It was a couple,
and one of the things that she they were saying

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they didn't have any kids, was that sometimes the the dishes,
you know, when you put them in the sink, would
start like rattling.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
So I went over there and I was talking to her,
and she was in her mid twenties, I want to say,
and I asked her, let me ask you, have you
ever had this experience before? She looks at me, she goes, well,
when I was like an adolescent, I was having a
tough time, you know, with my parents, you know, like
I guess, and some of the animal stuffed animals in

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my room would move around. And I went, Okay, this
is not a paranormal in the sense of a haunting.
This is you. This was you. And apparently, like you said, distress.
Then later on at that time, we did later on,
after we left, we find out that the marriage was
having a lot of problems. So apparently, like you said,
the stress factor was the common denominator that caused her

(20:49):
to display this.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
What do they call the kids who do that? I
was definitely one of them. Oh, I can't think of
the word right now, but I was definitely one of them.
And like I said, my mother encouraged it. I thought
it was normal, and I got curious about it, and

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so I encouraged it. I've always been curious and tried
to be scientific, and so as a young, you know,
junior high school kid, I was taking notes. I was
keeping logs and everything of everything I tried and what
worked didn't work, and way back then I was getting

(21:32):
good at it. And one day this I was riding
along in the bicycle and this bully had always been
bullying me, rode up beside me, kicked me off the bicycle.
I landed in the gravel, and I heard this little
voice in my head say die. And he went flying

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off of his bicycle out into the traffic. They stopped
in time, but I thought, you know, this could be dangerous.
And then, oh, I think some months later, yeah, I
kept trying.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Let me tell you that, I'm thinking, you need so much.
That's incredible, how much voice it would take to do that.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Oh yeah, I used to. I was training, and I
would I had had a little trip that I did
of putting a rock on a metal pipe late and
commanding it to fall through, and it would fall through
without leaving a hole. And I thought it was a
neat trick. And so my life in many ways follows

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Charlie Brown's. So I was showing off to the cute
little redhead to go one day, and she thought it
was fantastic, and she went home and told her father,
the Pentecostal minister.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Oh boy.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
The next day, he and three of his deacons met
me on the sidewalk as I was walking home from school,
and he said, my daughter showed me this neat little trick,
and I'm really interested, and could you show that to
me because I think it's really neat? Is it sure?

Speaker 1 (23:19):
How old were you?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Oh? It was in early junior.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
High, so yeah you were like yeah, You're like sure.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah, yeah. And when I did, immediately they had me
down on the sidewalk, pressing my head against the sidewalk,
screaming for Satan to come out of me, scared me
have to do it. Well, I was ready us deep
Baptist And if the preacher said it, then God must

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have said it too, and so at that point I
thought I didn't know this was wrong. I'm sorry, and
so I started fighting it ever since, and oh, if
I get uncontrollably angry, it pops out. But okay, this

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is why I kind of go through life saying whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yes, since obviously I'm sure you're familiar with that story
from Stephen King fire starter with a little girl and starts.
Is that possible?

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Wow? Wow.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
And in fact, one day we had some students here
in the house and uh, there's a cold winter day
and I wasn't thinking about it what was going on,
And my wife was standing there and this woman was
just talking and talking and talking and talking. Yeah. I
could eat a kickick and it wouldn't stop talking, and

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my wife said, and I was getting irritated, and my
wife said she was trying to get me out of it,
and she said, you need to go start a fire
at the fireplace. And I pointed at the fireplace and
it lit, I mean just boomed like that, and uh,
and the woman just kept talking and talking and talking
to my wife's eyes got big, and I thought, oh, man,

(25:21):
I just screwed up a big time. I hope nobody noticed.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
When she didn't pick up on it. Late wife.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Oh no, she's so busy talking about herself.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
She you love me, you know why? Because I was thinking, man,
it's a great way to clear a room. Somebody does
you know lights the fireplace by the room. I'd be
like them out of here by like for sure.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, but I started, all right, you would be amazed
what the human mind can do. Yeah, it's phenomenal, it
really is.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
So I'm gonna ask you you were born to because
you know, you hear sometimes people sometimes they have something we.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Actually I don't think I was annything. I started right
when I was around twelve years old. Really, that's when
it really started.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, adolescence, which is usually peep essence.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yeah. I was out one day with a bunch of
kids after school and we were throwing rocks about this
at this big metal plate that was leaning up against
the brick wall. And I threw the rock and I
heard this voice say go through. And the rock went

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over and went through the metal plate and hit the
brick wall behind it. And the other kids were paying
attention because we were aiming at a target. And we
all went over and looked and there was the rock
laying in the ground between the metal plate and the wall,
and so I thought, that's neate. I don't wonder what happened.

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You know, you went home and you know, said, hey,
get her a try, see what you do, you know,
And so that started me.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Did your friends realize what you had done? Did they
catch on.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
They realized what had happened?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Okay, I don't think they really, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I don't know what they thought about it, because then
we went back to playing, you.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Know, Okay, I'm just you know what, I wow, Yeah,
this is that's incredible. That's like a story that so
let me And the reason why I asked that even
though you said this came out.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
When yeah, Poulter guys kids, that's.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
It, Okay, Polter guys kids, right that a lot of
the things of incidents of Poulter guys, there's usually an
adolescent in the house, mostly female, but you know it
could be male, and that they think of them as
the agent for the psychokinetic, you know, for all the
stuff that happens. And the reason why I asked you
that as far as being born prior to let's say,
when you had that incident, no brain injury, no head injury,

(28:09):
no near death, nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
No, that's only one incident that I've ever been able
to think of. I really don't need to get off
into this field. When I was maybe about five years old, Oh,
I woke up, I was in bed. I woke up
one night and there was this huge insect doid type

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thing standing over the bed.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I let down to scream, and I jumped up and
ran into my parents, and I probably scared it more
than it scared me, and they took me back in
and showed me, oh, you were just streaming.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
There's no such thing, and you know, but I knew
it was real, okay, And that one incident is the
only odd thing that ever happened to me.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
That's pretty up there in The odd thing was this,
Like when you say insectoid, is this some similar because
I've heard of people seeing something similar, like to a
a praying mantis kind of silhouette.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
It wasn't a silhouette. I could see it plainly.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Oh, you could see it plainly. It was more than
just a silhouette. It was like, okay, yeah, I could
see it from the room, Like, yeah, the one that
you ran screaming from your room. I would have gone
back to my room, like that's all I going back there.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Oh, they had to forced me to go back to
the room. I remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Interesting, that's really interesting. Yeah, let me tell you something.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, other than that, until that incident with the metal
plate on the wall, m h, nothing never, nothing never happened.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Just so you along along the way you realize emotionals
is there. Let me ask you, is it only anger
or is it high emotions? Even if it's not angry
that high emotions, it could be anything. It doesn't have
to be angry.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Yeah, no, and it's not always negative. You know. Good
things happened too, so okay, But but all of that
actually started, the pultry guy's kid type thing actually started
to happen when I was around twelve years old.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Okay, And then it sounds like you realize, at some
point I got to learn how to control this.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Well. I was interested in seeing what they could do.
And okay, I kept blogs.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I kept need oh you did? Wow?

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yeah, I kept kept thinking, oh what else can I try?
You know? And okay, yeah I was. I was going
into it full time.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
And is that thing of when you make the stone
I'm thinking Okay, he disintegrated. Okay, what did he disintegrate
the metal or the rock? You know, like, how did
he do that?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Nothing disintegrated? Did just passed through?

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yeah? But still something something had to give away? Wow?

Speaker 3 (31:15):
But like I say, it's just I have learned over
the years that we don't even have the beginning of
an idea of what the human mind can do. It's
just phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
Let me ask you, do you think that that is
because people just don't believe that it can be done?
Or is it lack of training or or is it
a given thing? Some people can do it and others
forget it, they're dead.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
It's absolute lack of training if you want to learn
how Okay, but some people can have the ability more
than others, you know. Okay, but but you know, and
most people are trained that when something happens, find your
scientific reason for it, no matter how ridiculous that scientific

(32:05):
reason is, even if it's more unbelievable, then admitting what happened,
you don't have to dismiss it, explain it the way
you know.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Oh yeah, well, I think sometimes we want to live
in this world of everything being explained. You know, it's technology,
you know, like and then when we start getting a
little bit fuzzy around the edges. It is when people
go no, no, no, no, no, that's when you're talking about
it was just my imagination that kind of deal. So

(32:39):
let me ask, does this fit also into when people
say whether it's intuition or gut feelings or in other words,
it's not something that they might see visually or do.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. And I think a good example
of that is when we lived in Maryland and we
had an Amish neighbor, okay, and when all this came
out to the public, he came over one day and
he said, what made this remote viewing? I hear about?

(33:14):
So I explained it to him. He listened all the
way through. I did the scientific nature of it, of
what we did and all that, and he said, well,
my people have no need for anything like that. We
have people with second sight.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Okay, so they already had, they already knew who.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Yeah. And it's the name you give it. If you're
in the Bible and you call it a prophet, it's
a good thing. If you call it seeing the future, you're.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Going to help exactly. It's like, you know, it's what's
your title?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
As the terminology.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, that's that's that's interesting that they were like, yeah, that, well,
we'll make we'll massage this to fit into our lifestyle
and you know, our beliefs and then that way nobody
gets in trouble. And yeah, they make it work that way.
That made it work that way.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Growing up, all I ever heard about the psychic was, uh,
that you're going to help and uh, I knew things
were happening to me, and so I never admitted any
of it to anybody in the church. We stayed in
the church.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
You know, I've been in the church all my life
and in fact, I'm a Methodist preacher. I've gotten money, okay,
preaching all the serf sacraments and all. But the thing
is that you're taught bye by the church. That is evil, right,

(34:58):
And I have always believe that if God gave you
a gift and you don't use it, that's the sind
And you know in the Bible says Jesus says, you
have a lamp and you hide it under a bushels
and nobody can see it.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Come on, let me ask you, Lynn, did you ever
have what they call I think with the Cassandra effect,
or sometimes maybe what you saw was more than negative.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
And yeah, well not only negative, but I mean even
the positive. You tell people I was sitting at the
casino one night and that I don't bet. I don't gabble. Okay,
we're sitting here with this bat the bait. Well, I said,

(35:48):
three times from now, the ruliftuive is going to come
up green, one, two, three. He bet them red, and
it came up green. And I said, why didn't you
better on green? I told you? He said, oh that's right.

(36:08):
Well I don't know why I didn't. It wasn't paying
any attention. Okay, well, I won't tell you.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Again then, Melynn, how does And I guess maybe this
is a litmus test, you know, when you determine what
that's something that the knowledge is not coming from your
subconscious mind. In other words, when you have things that
you're aware become aware of, it's something that there's no
way you would have known about it, you know, so

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it's not story subconsciously.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
The theory in CRV, just where I go by, that's
what I'm trained in, right, is that your subconscious mind
does not have access to all of space and time. Okay,
But the collective consciousness. And I know psychiactersts say the
collective unconscious. Listen, the collective is very conscious. Collective consciousness

(37:06):
does have and your subconscious can tap into the collective consciousness.
So the trick is your conscious mind doesn't talk to
your subconscious and back and forth.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
So in CRB training, the training is all about setting
up communications between your conscious and subconscious mind. When that happens,
we can sit there and say, this is target number
seventy nine oh five, describe it. You give the queue

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to your subconscious mind and it comes back. It goes up,
gets to the descriptor, brings it back and gives it
to you, and that it's no more difficult than that.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Really, basically, your conscious mind tells you subconscious which will
what goes to the collective to get that information that
normally you wouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, it says, this is your target.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
About it, I get it, okay.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
And the the the CRV protocol and it of itself.
It's not about being psychic, okay, It's about being in
touch with your SOB cotches mind.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Okay, okay, understandable. And let me ask you. When they
train you, I imagine they teach you not to screen
things through you know how everybody's got their own. That's
just the way we are everything else where, you know,
you try to put your spin on it. So I
guess my question is that even if you come back
with something that seems weird or unusual or stranger, how's

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that like, how's that happening? He's just got to deliver it.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah, they look for that. That becomes suspicious when you
come back with something that's very logical, ill that because
they think he's trying to figure out what the target
is exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Okay, yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
And you have to you have to learn to totally. Oh,
let the subconscious be the viewer and the conscious mind
is the secretary who takes notes and nothing else.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Okay, Now I'm going to ask you because you said,
let's say they just give you a number nine nine
three whatever. Yeah, and you let's say you're you do
your remote viewing thing, you get yourself and you send
that out. How does whatever's at the receiving end know
that what nine nineth three is?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
How did I'll tell you the honesst answer. Okay, yes,
we have no idea.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
You're going to tell you because I'm trying to think. Okay,
how does it know that among all the especially when
you have no information.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
Yeah, we have no idea. And I was on a
podcast one time and and that question.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Was asked, I uh huh.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Nobody. Nobody knows. Everybody has their own theory. Okay, nobody
has proof. The fact is we don't know. And this
guy said, I have never had an expert say I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I hate to say, but you're right.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
That's the truth. Nobody knows.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yes, most most of them do not. That's a hard
that's a heart admission. Most experts, they think that they
become less experts.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Yes, not for me, because it's just the truth. I've
heard so many explanations that just you know, the explanation
is sometimes weirder than saying, oh it's magic.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well, yeah, I know, it's more mysterious. What's that. Do
they ever tell you or give you feedback on what
you give to them? They do? Okay, well.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
In the military, okay, you talk to this, you do
something for the Three letter Organization, CIA, FBI, whatever, Right,
you can't always trust the feedback. You get the best feedback.

(41:46):
I think we ever got the purest feedback. We ever
was where they would come back and they would say,
we're sorry, you're not cleared for the information you gave us.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Okay, yeah, that says it right there. Whatever it was,
it was like these otherwise, who who cares?

Speaker 3 (42:07):
You know? I've always said, you know, if you're a
remote viewer, you do a session and you've turned it
in and the next day you look out the window
and here's the string of black cars with black out
the windows, and they all come screeching up to the door.
They jump out with rifles and everything else. They break

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down your door, They come in, and they take your computer,
your filing cabinet, and everything else and drive off into
the distance with all the work you've ever done. You know.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, the correct that the.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
Correct response at that point is damn.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
I'm good. Yeah that's but let me ask you something.
Even when you were training, let's say, before they let
you do, didn't they ever come back and say warm cold,
you're good?

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Or this?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Was it something? So? Or was the fact that they
kept you on the program enough to let you know
that you must have been doing getting something right?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah? They ran they ever gave us feedback, and when
they did, we didn't know if we could trust it
or not. But oh my god, they'll lie to you
about it, you know. But we only had a one
year contract really ever ever, and it was it was

(43:33):
renewed every year for like twenty four twenty twenty six years.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Okay, you answered my question, because I say, so, what
did they do after that year? Who would do? What
were they going to do? Get new remote view words?

Speaker 3 (43:47):
The Cold War was over, the budgets.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Were being cut, I say money.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
And they had the choice of letting ground agents go
mm hmm, analys go, who had had all these years
of experience and were really good and spies and all that.
Are those crazy psychics? It for me? Well? Who gets
the X?

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Sorry psychic man, you're gone. You're god, you're anyway. Man.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
People keep asking me, you know, do you think they're
really doing it? And I have some standard answers. One,
when you retired, the quite telling.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Your secrets, so there you go.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
The other is I don't know, but I hope so,
because they would be crazy. They would be stupid not
to have this effort, which which leads to a further
question of does our government ever do anything stupid?

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Boy, well let me think about that.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not doing it anymore, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Let me. Let me. Was this something that the more
you did it, the better you become at it?

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Practice, practice, practice.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
It does okay, Yes, when you were doing it, that's viewing.
Is it only viewing or was there ever anything auditory
or or any other sense? As far as.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
The training that teaches you to connect your you're conscious
and your subconscious mind, there's only one real connection. Oh,
if I want to raise my hand, I don't think
raise my hand all right, all of a sudden, there's
something crawling on my ogo.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yes, you know, and you're.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Sub conscious and you're conscious both talked to the body.
So when we start training, we teach you to let
your subconscious give you the information through your eyes, your ears,
your nose, your sense of touch, temperature, all the physical

(46:14):
attributes that the that the target would give you.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
And so people want to start out by knowing what
the target is, how way to do it? And so
we we say, okay, I want you to describe the target,
touch it, temperature, and I say hot, say okay, mentally

(46:42):
run your hand over it. Okay, Oh it's smooth. What
else is it? Oh? It's kind of rounded. Oh okay,
look at it and tell me how it looks. It's
black and it's kind of shiny, you know. And so

(47:02):
by doing this, your senses involved. Okay, you're so conscious
can give you information about the target through your senses.
It's not it's called remote viewing. It's actually remote sensing.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
But that all right, that's what I'm saying. You think
that without being there, how could you feel it or whatever? Okay,
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Well, understand, the term remote sensing is already taken.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
So yes, okay, did you ever come across something or
a target that was disagreeable? Something that.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
In the military, most of what we got, yeah, really, okay.
One of the main things of training is the first
of all, you train to protect yourself because the targets

(48:10):
we got, some of them are totally horrendous. Really, people
come to me now and they say, I want to
learn remote viewing so that I can bring home missing kids.
And I say, well, no, wait a minute, let's think
about this. You're going to get in touch with that
missing kid, that kissing kissing That missing kid may have

(48:35):
been raped twenty times, they may have been beaten, they
may have been killed, dismembered, spread across acres of land.
Do you really want to have this experience and they
have second thoughts about it? I can train you. This

(48:55):
is one of my goals is to train people to
help bring home missing kids. Yeah, but you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
A lot of them. Assume that they're going to find
a live child.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Oh yeah, you're talking about five years into the training, Okay,
before it's really safe to do.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, yes, yes, to be dedicated, yeah, yeah, yeah. I
can imagine that people try to do the right thing,
but they miss the like exactly what you just explained
right there, all the horrendous things that most probably I
hate to say it, let's say, in the case of
a missing child, probably was the experience versut you know,

(49:35):
as far as the outcome.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Most people don't know that. In the United States alone,
there is an average, they told me, of two thousand
kids a day go missing. Yes, a lot of those
are runaways to come back home, you know, just the
enormity of it, and the you know, they want to

(50:02):
Russian and heal somebody, They want to Russian and singing
life and all this, yes, and going where angels fear
tread you.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Know, yes, yes, it's a very the Yeah, there's there's
more to it. There's more depth to it. Those scenarios
and unfortunately, let's say, even a lot of those what
they call throwaway kids, they end up being victimized, like
what you were just saying, whether they're trafficked or whatever.

(50:32):
But they their background even before that was usually pretty bad.
You know, a lot of a lot of things can
can Yeah, the intentions are good, but the process. Now,
let me ask it. Did you ever have members of
the team, and I don't know if you ever even
you met them that at some point that I can't

(50:53):
do this anymore? Oh you did? Okay? Did they Did
anybody just say I'm done, I'm I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
No, because we were trained, properly trained, all right, trying
to protect ourselves, and we saw the results of what
we did. We rescued, we rescued missing soldiers. We uh,
we saved lives. And you know, the when they tried
to disband the unit, they said, oh, it's totally ineffective

(51:25):
and all that. Oh, okay, you don't rehire somebody for.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
You know, of course that's something that's not working.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
It was it was very effective. Oh, Joe mcmonagle. Oh,
they showed him a roof of a building. And in fact,
I did this as well in my students here lately.
You want to remote you in contest on a thousand dollars.
They showed him a the roof of a building and

(52:00):
they said, we can't get a ground agent in there.
We can't get any intelligence. This is super super top
secret in the in the in Russia, and can't get
any intelligence on it. So tell us what's inside the building.

(52:20):
And the building was like half a mile from the water,
from the ocean, okay. And so Joe started and he
drew these huge submarines and they were building them, and
he drew the submarine. He drew accurate pictures of the submarine.

(52:40):
And they said that's not that's not true, that you know.
And so he said, okay, I'm going to do some
further work. And he said, on this date, at this
certain time, they're going to bring one of the submarines
out and put it in the water. And said, that's ridiculous.

(53:01):
A submarine the size you're describing half a mile from
the water. How they're going to do this? You know,
they had dug a canal up to that building. Right
before that day, the US had learned about Joe's abilities,
and they deflected a they made sure a satellite was

(53:24):
going over right at that time, and on the day
that he predicted, at the time he predicted, they brought
the submarine out and put it into the water. And
for over ten years that was the only picture we
ever had of the boomer submarine of Russians.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Yeah, And you know, we could, you could show us
the roof of a building. And one of my students,
in fact, won a contest, a remote viewing contest, showed
him the of of a building here in Alamagordo. He's

(54:06):
he's never been to it. He didn't even know it existed,
where all of the space jump comes here, gets refurbished
and sent out to museums all over the world. And
so we said, you know, try a Joe mcmonical thing.

(54:26):
Give us the floor plans of the building, and that
he accurately drew the floor plans every single room, what
the room was, what was in it, and all that.
And for the contest he got a ninety eight percent
Wow because one of the activities he had in one
room was actually an activity that was going on in

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the other room, and so they took two points off.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Oh my god. Really, Now when you say that, obviously
I imagine other governments believe in this.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, do they have countermeasures? I know this might sound weird,
but do they have countermeasures against remote viewers?

Speaker 3 (55:14):
They have counter measures against psychics and remote viewers. How however,
oh well, there are all kinds of you know, you
talk to any psych they'll say, oh, I put up
a ball of white light around me and all that. Sure, yes,
when that happens, they put faith in that ball of
white light and natural defenses go down. We can view them.

(55:43):
We can do an hour long target on them and
ten minutes get out and go to lunch and get
more information. I mean, they become so easy to view
it's pathetic. And most of the methods that the other
countries use for protecting their their people and their events

(56:03):
and their inventions and all that just make it easier
for us.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, okay, so yeah, it can be done.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Now. Part of the English lawn process is designed so
that you can't get caught, you can't be viewed viewing it.
And the reason is, let's say you have a guard
with a guard dog and they're walking around a secure facility, okay,

(56:35):
and a psychic views that the guard will never know
the dog will go alert, look up at the sky
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Ah, that gets reported, really.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
What it does? Yeah, these the countries believe in this.
The US is so against psychic and I don't understand,
but the other countries they know this.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
So when the dog alerts, apparently for no reason, I
guess that's what not.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
And the next day the committee meets and they say,
we've been spied on. Let's go to Plan B. Well,
all the psychic got is no longer valid because they
go to Plan B. And part of the Ingoswan method
protects the viewer and protects the viewer from being the

(57:39):
viewing itself from being noticeable. The dog never alerts the
information you get, they never go to Plan B, and
the information stays good. This is one of the reasons
that CRV became so useful in the military. Is spying technique.

(58:02):
I'm sure as an intelligence collection. Okay, guys, bad guys
have spies.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
We have gather intelligence. Yeah, let's let's let see what
is it arose by any other? Yeah? Yeah, now what
happens And I don't know, maybe you may tell me, Marlene,

(58:31):
you're going into woogle land when you do the remote viewing?
Do you go into I want to say, wherever you
go space in a space or anything? Is there anything
else there besides you, besides your.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Your Have we viewed out her space? Or you're saying
that or right? Right?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
If? In other words, when you are in the process
of remote viewing, but maybe when you're pre is this
place I'm using the word because.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
That's no the English swan is a process. Mm hm,
follow the process, right, You're conscious the whole time.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Right, right, and so on. But there's nothing that you
could say where whether you want to say maybe where
you're detached, let's say from your you know, the the
you're conscious or your moment to be able to do
the remote viewing, where you're in a I don't know.
I don't want to call it a state or a place,

(59:36):
even though it might not be a physical place where
there's other things or other beings or anything else there.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Oh no, no, no, And there's an argument as to
whether it's an altered state or not. Right. You really
get into a CRB session, yes, and you start focusing
on the target. Yes, you tend to quit paying it
the room around you, okay. And once you get really

(01:00:05):
deeply into a session, you're not into trance or anything
like that. You're just following the protocol and focusing on
the protocol and the job at hand. And there's a
situation where the information come into your body. You can
feel the heat, you can see, you can see the target,

(01:00:27):
you can hear the target and all that, and it's
going by location.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yes, so you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Get all the information from the target, but you're still
sitting of the disk reporting. There's a step beyond that
where you get so focused on the information from the
subconscious okay, that you forget completely about the room around you.
And at that point you cannot tell that you're not

(01:00:58):
at the target. It's called wow, it's called perfect side integration.
And the first time that happened to me, it was
a practice target. And they had given me the numbers,
you know, the project numbers and all that, and not
told me it was a practice target. And all of

(01:01:22):
a sudden, I found myself in this underground cavern type
thing and I looked up. The monitor was gone, the
desk was gone, everything was gone. I was in the
underground cavern as far as I know, and I said,

(01:01:43):
there's some stairs over to the side over there, and
I kind of heard my monitor say, well, go up
the stairs. So went up the stairs, and personal preference
when I remote view, I take my shoes off. I'm
an old TAXI, I'm on taxis boy. I don't watched

(01:02:04):
shoes when I have to, you know. And so I
take my shoes off, and I went up the stairs.
Found myself in a hallway walking on sand that was
on the floor. And so at the end of the
hallway was this opening and you could see the light

(01:02:26):
coming in. And so I walked down to the end
of the opening and there was nothing there. It was
just open, and I leaned out and looked around and
they I was what looked like a mountain that was
heavily eroded, but he sloped back like this, and I

(01:02:49):
was leaning out and I looked at the area out there,
and I could see these other eroded hill type things
like that, and the sky was strange color. The sun
was out but not very bright, and cold wind, I
mean just ice cold wind that smelled funny. And so

(01:03:14):
about that time it dawned on me and I said
what And it was immediately back at the table. Come
to find out, I guess a year and a half later,
I was out at a facility out in California, Okay,

(01:03:35):
to be to remain unnamed, and it was a secret
facility and back then quite quite a long time before
it came out to the public. They had a high
definition picture of the Sedona region of Mars, and it

(01:03:56):
was on the wall. What they can take. They can
take pictures of your license plate from two hundred and
fifty feet up. You're gonna tell me they can't get
a picture of a mountain. That's come on, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
So I guess all those funny pictures that they show
the public, that's kind of like, here's what we see
so far.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
It's fuzzed up, and you know they show the sharp
pictures now yeah, yeah with the underscore. This is a computer,
right refinement of the fezzi Yeah right, yeah. Anyway, and
I saw this thing and I recognized, Hey, all this
stuff around here, that's what I was looking at. You know,

(01:04:40):
everything's in the right place. And I looked at this
one that's uh, your metal shape, you know, uh huh,
And there's a black dot on it and it's I
take it to be an opening and my mind immediately said,

(01:05:01):
been there, done that? Okay, didn't get your tea, didn't
get your T shirt?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I mean, ask you something this place that you were in,
I'm want to say, man made for lack of Martian made?
Was this? Did it look natural or did it look
like it was made?

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
It was made?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
You know what that means? Right, where's there's Martians or
were Martians or something like that at one point upon
a time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Absolutely, I think that's already been established.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Okay, all right, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
The you know that's been established by that means. I
don't know how much of that's been brought out to
the public.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
That's oh you know, you know what. It's still houses
you're here talked about, but a lot of people still
put it in the well kind of sci fi. It's
like okay, yeah, but yeah, oh yeah, that pyramid, no,
and that that looks like a face though it's not.
It's a rock formation, that kind of deal.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
It's a rock formation. Yeah and yeah. People people say,
you know, I don't believe in UFOs because I've never
seen them. How often do you go out at night
and look up at the sky. Yeah, well, I look
up at the sky coming home, just see what the
weather is and walk in the house. You know you're
not going to see him. The UFOs here in elam

(01:06:29):
Godo this on July the fourth. They didn't want to
have a fireworks displayed because the fire risk around here,
and so they had a drone display and the drones
went up and showed a picture of an American flag and
all this, you know, the formations, and it was a

(01:06:51):
real letdown for everybody. Well, this one rancher that we know,
he got discussed. He went out and bought over twelve
hundred dollars worth of fireworks, and ten of us went
out the next night to his field, his farm out there,

(01:07:15):
and we had a fireworks displayed that they've never seen
the likes of it here in town. Beautiful. But during
the times between when the fireworks went up, Hu sitting
out there in the field and lawn chairs looking up,
and we of course saw satellites tracking over and planes

(01:07:39):
and all that. And sure enough there were about twenty
of those that you'd see it tracking across and then
it would turn and wander off in some other directions.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
It wasn't just some satellite just doing its course.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
No, it wasn't. And uh and so we must have
seen twenty UFOs go over.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Just wow, they were like they're having a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Around here, and especially if we're running right as well.
Uh huh, I saw a UFO and everybody says.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
So, yeah, like what else is there?

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
I mean, it's it's a daily occurrence here.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Do you think that a lot of these UFO sightings
are are US testing equipment or they're being mad by extraterrestrials.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
Do you know who Stephen Greer is?

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Uh. Stephen had a thing not too long ago, and
he made well with the press conference that he had
in Washington, d C. He made a statement that is
very very true. He said, we don't have to worry

(01:08:55):
about the ets and their UFOs and all that. What
we have to worry about is the humans who have
gotten the technology.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
I believe it. I believe it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Oh yeah, absolutely, it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
Yeah, yeah that I believe that. I believe that. Like
you know, and I think sometimes you know that thing
about science, like yeah we can, but should we? You know?
In other words, they don't care about the should we part?
You know, as far.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Should we manufacture?

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
See if we can?

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
We can we? In other words, we know we can,
but should we? And then there's some that stop it
the should we and there's others that let's find out,
let's do it just because we can. Yeah. Absolutely, I
believe that there's always a couple in the group that
one of them that you're thinking, you know what, there's
something self destructive about your personality or about your psyche.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
The thing they use for things like COVID is they say,
if we don't develop it, the enemy may develop it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Oh yeah, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
Going to develop it so that then we can find
a cure for it before the enemy develops it. So
we better develop it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
First, right, Yeah, well right, or that will know how
to handle it if right. And that's that's a very
slippery slope. That sounds like a good excuse to like, go,
we shouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
I mean, hey, it gets grants.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
When you listen to how's this? You know? And and
I guess what I'm saying is, yeah, I understand the
perfect world, certain things wouldn't be done or exploited. How's
that even if the ability is there? But that's not
always the case. So it's like which which side do
you go on? On that? But still sometimes you have

(01:10:48):
to I think I lost you Lynn, Oh, I can't
hear you just a minute, Okay, don't worry.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Yeah, hyeah, ald on, guys, he's going to be coming

(01:11:24):
back soon.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
He's hooking up. He's hooking up. Uh, I mean so
new all that. I'm still here because, let me tell you,
that's so interesting what he's talking about, especially now with

(01:11:50):
what we were what we were talking about recently with COVID,
and and it's not only COVID. Isn't anything anything that, like,
I guess the equivalent to what you would think of
his German warfare?

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Can you hear me? You know, like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
It's like hmm okay, I guess how's this developing it
for the sake of developing it being it versus developing
it for the sake of defending against it? Mm?

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
But then what are the risks?

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Evidently?

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
No, I still can't hear you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
Okay, edit name and the headline, move from stage.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
Nope, Okay, he's gone. He'll come back. He'll come back.
Let me see yay. Hold on, hold on, guys, I'm

(01:13:04):
still here. There we go. Are we good? Yeah, let's
see him all right, We're good. He's back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
Can you hear me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
Now I can hear you. That's good, Okay, don't worry
about it. I see what I mean about some of
these gadgets. They're great until the moment they decide they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Eight hour battery life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
Used it for three hours today, I'm sure a full charge.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, it looks great in the packaging though, the soul
that Yeah, that's happened to me. That's why I carry
from my phone especially, I carry a basically it's uh it,
you know, because you know they took away the thing
for the for the basically the the audio plug in.

(01:14:10):
So I have a converter so that I can plug
in because I know that the wireless stuff, it just
runs out of battery sometimes, so I always fall back
on that. Yeah, but let me let me ask this Lynn.
What we were talking about before, this thing with COVID or
German warfare whatever. It might be all right that you're trying.
You know people that they juggle it, you know, the

(01:14:31):
risks of developing it and it getting away from you
versus not being able to defend against it. But then
the problem lies in who's who's doing what and or
who could whoever has it?

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
You know, how.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Trustworthy are they that they're all they're going to do
is just research? How's that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Oh? The understands nobody knows. No. And as far as
trust I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
I don't either, I don't. I don't. Yeah, you know.
I one time I was speaking to this priest and
our conversation start up because he was teaching at a
university that was right next to the high school where
I went to. And I asked him, I said, what
are you teaching those? Oh, medical ethics? I said, medical ethics? Yeah,

(01:15:27):
what is that class about? And he goes, well, about
things that they're doing, you know, as far as medical,
I said, but the ethics as in, because I'm thinking,
are you talking end of live? What are we talking about?
And he says, well, he goes, you know that in
certain laboratories, mostly out of the United States, they're doing
experimentation medical And I said, like, and what I said,

(01:15:50):
and he goes, well, even things with animals and hybridization
with humans, like an island of doctor Moreau. Kind of
he didn't say he didn't use the island of doctor Moro.
I'm just saying this is what he kind of like.
And he says and he said things that normally wouldn't
be approved of or that you can see what what
would you want to do that they're they're doing it

(01:16:13):
just because they can. I mean it's not only in
germ warfare, but in a bunch of other areas. Whether
it's because you know, after the genome and the crispers
and all these other things that they can do that
they're going to places that is like, wow, who's this
good for humanity? Maybe not it gets grants, yes, yes, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Well, in the movie The Men Who Steric Goats, you know,
there's the scene where Lynn go mentally right, I didn't
do that. That was another sergeant who did it. But
it did happen. And the fact is that they never
told anybody the goat was one of the medical goat

(01:17:01):
mm hm military you know, and other things. They give
you a disease, they give the animal disease and try
to cure it. In the military, the military medicine is
healthy people who get and who get you know, crushed
and all this other stuff. So that's what the military

(01:17:25):
is mainly concerned with in medicine. And so they would
take these goats and they've shoot them in the leg
or they shoot them in the hip or stomach, and
all this the doctors would practice on them mm hmm,
get them back to health, they'd have them back in
the pan and then they shoot them again.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
And that's horrible and so on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
That's horrible when once they don't tell you about the
the killing of the goat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I think that goat really wanted to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Die or it did. Yeah, let me ask you something.
What did they ever autopsy? Did they say what killed it?
Was a heart attack? What was it? Did they say
the staring? The staring part?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Yes? And we well, I know how it was done securely,
easy to do in a person or animal or anything else.
And I don't talk about it, but okay, I would
never do it, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Okay, I guess my question is do they tell you
how's this kill the goat or whatever? And then you
do it? But how it happens you don't know. You know.
In other words, you know how sometimes certain living things
have weaknesses.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Whether it's the connection between you and the goat, that's
what we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Remote persuasion is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Yeah, that's an interesting thing there, you know that right? Wow? Wow,
that that's a real Pandora's box there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Oh, we could go to prison for doing any of
this on a US citizen. No, no active mental work.
We were never allowed to do that. And we collected
intelligence only so people who think, oh, you're the remote viewer,
you were spying on me, right, No, we were spying

(01:19:35):
on Russia.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
We were spying anyway. I think. I think, I honestly, I
think most Americans lead vanilla lives.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
Well, you know, we're being taught to be afraid, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Yeah, I know, I know, I know, but no I do.
But I think all in all, especially with the technology
of this and Netflix and things will get like No,
I understand what you mean. And the reason why I
asked that thing about the goat was, how's this when

(01:20:07):
they told you, guys, look at the goat and kill it.
Was it causing a several hemorrhage, cerebral hemorrhage, a heart attack?
Did it explode or do they just say kill it?
And how it dies is a big question mark.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
They told it to that sergeant.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Right, Okay, that sergeant was told what, oh you can't say.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
Oh, affect the goat. Yeah, affect the goat. I'm not
sure exactly what I wasn't there? Okay, right, Well what
the exact words were, I don't know. But the job
was to, you know, do the goaden, do the goat
in or at least put it into a coma or
something like that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
The uh, the heart didn't explode or anything like that stopped.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
The reason why I asked is the to me, I'm thinking,
you know, every living system has sometime a weakness, a
weak point. You see what I'm saying. Maybe the heart
has a little weakness, or the brain or something in it.
You know, is it is it just you? It targets,
you know, you target without knowing exactly what you're targeting.

(01:21:26):
And that's what does it in Because every living system,
everything is not doesn't work perfectly all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
I think that's what happened with him, the guy who
right it. It worked in him so badly that he
finally to hear what they want.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
And let me tell you something that thing of what
you're talking about, animals, that's a I guess I would
make a sucky scientist, honestly, because if I had to
experiment on animals, i'd be I'd be not it's not working.
I'm not doing that. I forget it. You know. That's
why when I was talking to that priest and he
was telling me things, I was like, what he goes, No, Morley,

(01:22:05):
there's a lot of things that you can't imagine that
they experiment on whether it's successful or not. But the experiment, yeah,
they do, they do. And I was like, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
And before I went to the military unit, I was
really heavy into computers, before the military was getting desktop
computers and all it. So when they came in, I
started getting these assignments to go because I had security clerices,

(01:22:37):
you know, I wait to hear. And they couldn't hire programmers, okay,
the programs that were needed for black op units, and
uh so I had the opportunity to go to some
of these and listen and do the work. And oh

(01:23:00):
a lot of the stuff, the research stuff that the
military and the US are doing is fantastically wonderful stuff, right,
I mean, really beneficial and all that. Right, there are
others that we'll keep you awake at night, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
I got to the point where I would go into
unit and I would say, look, I have access to
your unit and all your information. Don't tell me anything
that I don't want to know to program your computer?

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Yeah right right? Like likely keep me in the dark, thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Keep me in the dark. Yeah, what's the old saying?
People say? I wish I wish I knew then what.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
I knew now? Oh baby, that thing once you once
you see it, you cannot see it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Many times I said I wish I didn't know now
what I didn't know then?

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
Yeah? Right, Like I want to go to the BC
of the before that whatever it was I saw. Let
me ask you something, lind did you ever And I'm
thinking maybe I might know the answer, but or maybe
in this field, do you run across any psychopaths? And
I'm not talking about like the violent, I'm talking about
people that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Are not not in the military. We were screened very heavily, okay,
in the civilian life. When this came out to the public,
Oh man, it got to where my wife and I
were afraid to go to Walmart. Really, how many totally
crazy people are walking around?

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
No, no, that I know that. Oh that I can
tell you. I can vouch for that. Yes, absolutely, That's like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
The phone calls we would get, the people knocking on
our door, Are you serious? Scary?

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
Yeah? They found out that I was the teacher of
the remote unit and are in the unit, and man,
it got scary. Uh. There were many times when my
wife and I were just scared.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
No, I agree. Let me tell you something. They did
away with asylums and they shouldn't have.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
The reason why I asked you about the psychopath am
on the thing is not because of the because I
don't want to say because I think the psychopath as
in the was was there any work that needed somebody
with lack of emotion or a better word, you know
what I'm saying, somebody that that maybe a normal person

(01:25:31):
that's not a psychopath and without maybe the violent tendencies
would go oh and they said, no, we need a
psychopath in here to do this. But you're telling me
that they wouldn't huh.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
Sociopaths Yeah, okay, yeah, you know they say sociopaths make
the best heads of corporations.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
But yeah, I believe there's a there's a large amount
of them that that that possessed what they call that
dark try I add of of personalities among there's a
very high percentage of them that have that right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
They don't care about the people belong No.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
There's no very little empathy or nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
And who cares about the people?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Yeah sure, yeah, yeah, there's a that's a common denominator,
and a lot of people up the corporate ladder at
the top, and you know, oh yes and government, yes
absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
Make the government fantastically great.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
But well, and it makes you wonder how they get promoted.
It's like somebody had to push them up, maybe another
one hitler.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
Yes, you know, yes, happens over and over and over.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Yes, yeah. But what I'm saying is that a lot
of times, especially when they start at the bottom, is
that usually they're promoted or helped up by others, like themselves,
somebody that that's on the same.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
That hey I need you here is maybe my wingman,
because you're not going to ask, you know, you're not.
You're gonna go along with me when I do something
that's like other somebody else with a conscience would go,
what are you doing? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
It never turns out well, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:13):
No, of course, not at least not for humanity, you know,
for the for the for the population. So when after
that came out and hear you and your wife are like,
oh do we like peek out the front door before
we leave. What did you end up doing? Did it
just fade away or what.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
We just kept going?

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
And okay, and you know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
We were turning people away for training. Okay, I would
say of the people who came for training, we wouldn't
have anything to do with them, you know. But and
I would go on radio things and they would make
fun of me and everything. And now then that we

(01:28:01):
have worked silently, the cr veers tend to work silently
for the police, for corporations and all that. We get
non disclosure agreements. We don't talk about what we do,
know the specifics of what we do. And you have
all the people out there on the internet who are

(01:28:22):
bragging about this, and you know, right, and they're retarding
the respect that this field should get. But CRVES, when
you talk about controlled remote viewing now to the police
or the podcast like this, you know, take it seriously

(01:28:46):
because we have been out there doing serious work very quietly.
You don't talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Just help them out.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
I have never advertised and I have done a lot
of police work, and I never advertised to the police
or anything. And the police, for whom we do the
good work, tell each other.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Right by word of mouth by yeah, by like somebody
that knows somebody that the apartment calls them up and say, hey,
that's right, yeah exactly. There's no memory, there's no email
written about that in strictly, uh huh. Let me ask
something little, what do you think about this is about
AI and robotics, and how do you think that's going
to affect us? Because let's face it, robotics is robotics,

(01:29:35):
but it has no imagination.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Yeah, I have sort of a complex thing about AI. Okay,
when you're talking robotics, you will soon be talking about
AI anyway, right, But AI will replace many people, you know, yes,

(01:30:00):
it will also hurt many people.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
However, from what I see, okay, this personal right, there
is a movement in all the governments or above governments
like this one world one government, right and it's called

(01:30:29):
oh Walker's owg one world win government. Okay, And to
do that you first have to destroy the US, then Russia,
then for some reason, France, England and all that. Ye,
during the process now I've taken.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
I was gonna say, that's that's ongoing right now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
That's ongoing right now. And back in nineteen ninety eight,
I was tasked to do a projection of the US fifty.
What I saw was I keep hoping that it was

(01:31:10):
that it was not a good session. Okay, I've seen
happening from then until now, step by step by step,
just everything falling straight in line. And one of the
one of the predictions was that by twenty forty, seventy

(01:31:30):
five percent of the population will be extinct, extinct, you know,
and twenty five percent will be left. But at the
end after that, it will be a much better place
for the survivors. Sure, And that as much as I'm

(01:31:55):
against one world, one government, fervently against it, right, realize
that when we get into space, we've got to have
one Earth government.

Speaker 1 (01:32:10):
I guess it's the process. It's when we get there.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
It's the process of how we're getting there. It's going
to hurt so many people, but in the end, I
think it's going to be for the good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
You do you think that it's a question this is
going to come about because of a pandemic, a nuclear war,
or even the destruction that comes less after a nuclear war.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
There's no need for nuclear anymore. Oh, we can we
have weather weapons, we can flood.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Or dry I no, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Russia has earthquake weapons.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:32:49):
If they hit Yellowstone National Park with a magic major earthquake. Uh,
they're already bragging. One one general in the in Russia
got drunk, I mean he was drunk in an interview

(01:33:09):
and he just blabbed out. He said, yeah, we have
the earthquake weapon, and Fukushima was just a trial run
and all this and he started giving details.

Speaker 1 (01:33:22):
And oh my god, that was a horrible event.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Yeah, and they finally cut him off. You know, but
they have earthquake weapons. If they hit the Canary Islands, yes,
the Palma Island, the volcano that faces the US has
already split off five feet, was cracked and they already

(01:33:45):
split off five feet. They hit that with a major earthquake,
Fifteen cubic kilometers of rock is going to hit the
ocean right there. The US Geological Service already knows it,
and if you look on one of the back pages,

(01:34:05):
you really have to be looking for it. They have
their prediction of when that thing falls. They said it's
going to fall naturally sooner or later. Right, the tsunami
is going to wag their predicting it will wipe out
the east coast of the US twenty six miles inland,
it would be got and that when it goes into

(01:34:27):
go from Mexico and Florida on one side, it won't
have an outlet. It will bounce back and hit Florida
on the other side, and Florida's toast.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
I was basically the whole peninsula is going to be
like covered.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Yeah, and you know all the Russians have to do
is hit the Canary Islands and we're toast. We don't
need guns. And in fact, Steven Greer, he and his
father have been doing studies on this and he really
digs into things.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Right, He made.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
A congressional appearance right long ago saying that we don't
need weapons anymore. Right, we don't need gas anymore, you know,
to fuel our cars. We have we have anti gravity already,
we have all this other stuff. If you can get

(01:35:24):
a hold of that video you okay, video Okay, He
and his father have the proof, you know, and uh, yeah,
we don't need all that stuff anymore. You want to
destroy the country.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
Yeah, we're so dependent on technology nowadays.

Speaker 3 (01:35:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
That that that I could see where even even now
this thing that happened with with the drones.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
My green aliens and my suspenders are going.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
You get some green aliens hanging around your neck. No,
you know, you don't remember when it's almost been no, no,
not a year, like what was it November when they
had all those drones out by New Jersey that everybody
was winging out, all right, and even now they're realizing
what can be done with these some of these drones

(01:36:21):
as far as like you said, in warfare, yeah, oh uh.
You know, I think a lot of people think of
drones as the drones that came out ten years ago
that you would buy an Amazon e and you know,
you would use them for video and that's it. No,
they've come a long way.

Speaker 3 (01:36:41):
However, most of the military drones are now being called
unpiloted aerial planes the p I forget what the mightst be,

(01:37:02):
but unpiloted a planes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
So again, U ap right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
And and they're the size of a large car.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Right, That's what I was hearing that even with the
ones that they saw in New Jersey, some of them
were that big. They weren't like the smaller ones.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
We had one fly over the house the other day
and they're noisy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
You can hear them, huh. Oh yeah, let me take something.
Last week, I was at a concert and was at
an Amphitheater. In the Amphitheater during the last hurricane season,
part of the covering had blown off, so basically it's
open air. Now. I'm sitting there and all of a sudden,
I look and I see a light that shoots straight up.
This is after I was like, what is that? Yeah

(01:37:52):
then and I'm like, it's a drone. That's a drough
Sure enough, when we were leaving, I looked through this
bag and I see it and had landed and basically
they were using a drone to look out over the crowd,
and you know, and I'm thinking, okay, maybe you know,
you could say there's something nefarious about this, but it
was very quiet. You could not hear anything. And unless

(01:38:15):
you're really paying attention, like you said, looking up and
seeing it when it went up, because when it was
pretty high up, you could if somebody scanned, they could
think it was maybe a near plane or a little
plane or.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Something that's small commercial drone. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
The only time that you would catch on that it
was a drone is when it was going up or down,
because it would just come it comes down vertically like
straight down or straight up. Yeah, And I was like, hmm, okay, wow,
all right. Interesting, that's the first time i'd been something
that i'd noticed that they were using drones to basically
look at everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
And these days, you know, people will see something flying
back and forth and back and all of a sudden
shoot up. Yeah it'll be a drone. But they say, oh,
I show you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Right, right, there's some things that now I hate to
say it, but yeah, you know it is. Now, well
let's see. You know, I'm hoping for the best outcome
because I think that as human beings we're kind of
resistant to change, and change is inevitable and necessary, like
what you were talking about. But it's just the how's this.

(01:39:26):
I think that given enough time, things will change. It
It's always been that way. It's I think that when
the powers that be they want to affect that change
in a short amount of time, right all right. In
other words, we can't wait a couple of generations, or
we have this certain year or time limit or that
we want this to be this way, and what in

(01:39:47):
the way of us being having what we want by
that time period? Okay, well, guess what we need to
like bring down the population whatever, you know, whatever, any resistance,
and I think that's where the problem lies.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
Somebody in the way, he said, falls out of the
window somewhere out of a hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
And.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
You know, And of course I think that that's where
the problem I think, And unfortunately, I think a lot
of people have had what was it that had been
blackpilled in the last few years, you know, because before
that most people would not believe. Yeah, a lot of

(01:40:28):
how's this If somebody at the end of twenty nineteen
would have told me this will be happening in the
next five years, I said, no, Wait.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Grant shit, that's that are going to happen? Fast forward
almost five years and it's like, boy, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
Wait until you see what it leads to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Yeah, well, hopefully better things. I'm always an optimist, and
you know, I want to I say that I maybe
it's but I believe I live in a friendly universe.
Yea most of the time, and it's always exceptions to that.
But it has been absolutely wonderful to speak to you
from my podcast listeners. Where can they find you?

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Yeah, thank you? I have a website C r V
I E W E R C R viewer dot com. Okay,
And if you go down to the bottom of the
opening page, there's a video that says, here's what I teach.
You may not want to learn it. You know, you

(01:41:36):
may want to learn it. Here's what it really is.
It's not it's not the woo woo. If you look
for woo woo, go away and all that. And then
there's a link down there that says, if you're interested,
click here. Okay, very hard to find, and I meant
for it to be very hard to find.

Speaker 1 (01:41:55):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
I want only people who really want this. And oh,
but the cr V I E W E R CR
viewer dot com and on that we have hundreds of
viewing targets. We don't track anybody. You know, it's your

(01:42:16):
information anything else that you bring it up and it
will give you a queue like the targets in event.
Describe the event, okay, and you sit there and you
describe the event, and then you click here for feedback.
And if you the event, and you can sit there

(01:42:37):
and judge what you got about what's on the screen,
and uh, that way you can score yourself and uh.
And here again it's practice, practice, practice. Even if you
don't learn the crv H. Practicing these things, you will

(01:43:01):
get better at it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Yeah, like most things. Yeah, there's some people that try
stuff and then they say I wasn't good at it,
and it's like you weren't. No, I just did a
couple of times and I wasn't good. It's like, of
course you weren't. You just did it a couple of times.

Speaker 3 (01:43:13):
What was he got? He said? The successful person has
had more failures, yes, than the failure has ever tried.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Yes, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, perseverance goes a long way.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
It does. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Again, thank you so much. Lynn. It has been wonderful
to speak to and I'll be getting in touch with you.
Like I said, I'm going to put a link in
the credits of the show to your website and I'll
be following up with you. This has been fascinating. My god,
I could keep talking to you and talking to you
and talking to you, but thank you. It was great.
I'll be getting in touch with you and I'll send
you links and everything. Okay, sounds good. Thank you, Bye

(01:43:58):
bye bye bye. Let me tell you I kid you not.
I was like, you know, sometimes when you see me
like stop a minute. It wasn't because I didn't know
what to ask him. It was like, what do I
I had so many questions. It was like, okay, pick

(01:44:20):
and choose, Marlene, what you're gonna ask him about so
that you don't sound like an idiot? And you know, like, well,
how about it? I was like, man, I could ask
you so many questions. That's fascinating. Let me tell you.
I'm sorry people, but I had to drink something because,

(01:44:41):
by the way, when I show this and I don't
endorse bud Wiser, but believe it or not, one time
I had this, this is a bud let me see
a Budweiser and it's a speaker. I had it out.
I don't drink beer about it. I don't like beer,
but I had it out and my son was always
goes mom, telling your kids are so judgy about their parents. Anyway,

(01:45:04):
you're drinking a beer and I was like, no, dumb, dumb,
it's a speaker. And the reason why I say this
is right next to my cup and I was about
to grab it. I was like, wait, you're gonna take
us that's the speaker. But anyway, getting back to the Lynn.
I think that what he was talking about is like

(01:45:25):
the ramifications are incredible because again, you know what we
were talking about, we're so used to dealing especially now
with technology speeding away. It was everything is science based technology,
Everything is defined, linear, you know, everything is explainable. And

(01:45:52):
that doesn't leave much Well, how's this acknowledged acknowledgment by
the science and or the government or whoever, you know,
you start talking about something like remote viewing or things
of what he was talking about was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure,
all right, yeah, you're going you're going in the wou
direction or you're and it's there. And I do think

(01:46:13):
that in a way that is part of disinformation because
the last thing I think that the powers that be
excuse me, wouldever want is for the general populace, the normies,
you know, us, to really understand just how powerful our
minds are, our brains are. And I do agree with him.

(01:46:36):
I think part of it is are our lack of training,
our lack of knowledge, our lack of practice. What was it,
Oh my god, what was the name of the There
was that runner? Uh? He was he? That Roger was
a Roger Corman. I'm making stuff up. Person to run

(01:47:05):
and okay for a minute mile. I'm before I'm looking
this up, before I just make up something. Roger Banister, Okay,
here we go. This was the thing. He was the
first person to run a mile in another four minutes.
And this was in nineteen fifty four. Now, from what
I understand, prior to this, doctors had said that that

(01:47:29):
was a physical, a human physical impossibility. Nobody could do that.
Thus nobody he did it, and they were saying that
once he did this, he achieved it. Then a bunch
of other people, after other runners, were able to do it.
The barrier had always been these authority figures had had

(01:47:49):
said doctor's physicians, the human body could not do that,
and plus nobody had done it, so that was the
that was the proof. Nobody could and nobody can do
it because the human body cannot do that. Once he's
everybody on these runners saw him do it, a bunch
of other people did it. And I think that what

(01:48:13):
Lynn was describing as far as our abilities in our
mind is along the same lines. I think that it's
lack of understanding, lack of acknowledgment by authority figures, and
that once let's say it became more accepted. I don't

(01:48:35):
know what to word to use it acknowledged that people
would actually practice it, because think about it, Think what
that would do. Talk about lack of control that you
could because let's let's let's go down and I should have.
I wanted to ask him about this when he talked
about the bylocation. I wanted to ask if when he bylocated,
if anybody had ever seen him at the at the
other end. But anyway, can you imagine they've gone through

(01:49:01):
all this trouble to surveil us, you know, whether it's
facial recognition or what we were talking about, the the
drones and that he like, he was saying, they can
take a picture of your tag on your car and
all the surveillance, but who's going to surveil you in
your head? Huh wow? Talk about wig out? You want

(01:49:23):
the governments to wig out that you could do some
version of a remote viewing and become aware of things,
or see things, or anticipate things or.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
See that's another thing I wanted to ask you about
seeing now all these things and sometimes I wanted to
and I imagine maybe I know the answer, but it's
so what I'd like to get it from him, is
it is it only present time? Like if you do
the remote viewing, are you only seeing present time? What's
happening in that moment? Or do you ever see what happened?

(01:50:07):
You see what I'm saying. Oh well, obviously he answered
the thing about future because he described what he saw
what I'm saying as far as do you ever see
what happened, let's say, at a certain location or to
a certain person, or is it just that moment? I guess,

(01:50:27):
depending on how you aim it, I guess. But again,
let's get back to my original premise about you won't
be if you ever wanted to have a reason why
something like this would be denied called woo doesn't exist. Yeah,
it's great, you know, Yeah it's a great sci fi

(01:50:48):
the novel subject matter and that and or yes, some
people can do it, but they're special people that were
born that way. And that's a very very very very
minuscule percentage of humans that could do that. You know.

(01:51:12):
You know, I could see it going down that route
where the reality probably most of us have that ability
more so than others. That That's why I asked them,
you know, is it only what you see? And the
reason why I understand this is because of hypnosis. I understand,
Like when I would regress somebody and I'm telling them,
I need you to see they're seeing in here, they're

(01:51:34):
not seeing here. And people sometimes I don't understand, Well,
if you're telling me to see and my eyes aren't closed,
how can I see And it's like, no, you're seeing
in here. And I know from hypnosis, especially when I
depending on But let's say when we did an age
regression or past life regression, people would have the full gamut.

(01:51:58):
Not only were they seeing something, they would smell things,
in other words, the immorm It depends. Everybody was different.
Some people were when he was describing I was there.
Some people, depending on their suggestibility and other factors, they
were more immersed in the experience so much so that

(01:52:21):
certain times, like especially if you did again mostly past
life regression or whatever, whether whether it was h regression
or or again, that if they witnessed something horrific, especially
if they involved them as in their prior lifetimes, they
would react like they were really there. Like there's methods

(01:52:43):
techniques that you use as a hypnotist to pull them
back into observer mode so that they don't totally weigh
out on you. It's like if you go to the
movie theater and then all of a sudden, you're you know,
it's you're in there, You're in the movie, you're you're
living it, and you're the actor, and the one that
stuff is happening to is you? All right? So I

(01:53:07):
understood very well what he was describing that has in seeing.
But again let's go back. I'm sorry, I got that
got away from me. Now can you imagine if we
if it was what's the word I'm looking for, if
it was the norm, how's that that we were taught

(01:53:30):
what our mental abilities are? And again I'm gonna say,
like in all things like an intelligence, like in physical strength,
there's people that have their areas where they're good at
and there's other people that are good at this. You know,
you might have somebody that maybe is really good at something,
but that overall everybody had some type of ability in

(01:53:52):
their brain in their mind to do some version of that.
All right, wow again, and let's go back to the
conspiracy theory, shall we. Can you imagine that after all
the pains that are taken to surveill us or to
basically find out where we're going, what we're doing with whom,

(01:54:15):
where we're spending our money, blah blah blah blah blah
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know what's
happening with our health? All of that. I mean, even
when we drive, come on, folks that they couldn't track
you because it's in here. If you ever needed a

(01:54:36):
good reason for that for that to be kept on
a low profile, or how was someone I'm looking for
for that to be not denied but like down plate
or pooh pood or yeah, well that's maybe that's possible,

(01:54:59):
but that's it's very random work something like that, which
I'm glad he explained it that if it wasn't working,
why was it? Why were they being brought back and
kept on doing? What's the ability they were doing if
there was no result from it, if there was no

(01:55:20):
benefit from it, because God knows it sounds like they
had more than one person that they could that if
it wasn't working, it says, man, we've done it with
this one, this one, this one, this one, this one
that already looked like they had some type of ability,
and they're all duds. Yeah. In other words, I think
that they probably would have gone through a process of

(01:55:41):
getting replacing the duds with a new said no, those
are duds to it. After a while, everybody's a dude,
it's like this this, this doesn't really exist. So if
they were being brought back, that means there was some
benefit to it. And I guess then again you ask yourself, okay,
and and this is just me. Maybe some of the

(01:56:06):
how's this? Maybe the results of what they saw, maybe
were was information that was like, hey, this is this
is too important to tell you even though you're clear,
you have clearance, we're not going to tell you better
that you don't know? How's that? But I guess part
of me is like, how many times did they actually

(01:56:27):
tell you were successful? Not maybe what you saw maybe
well actually you know what you saw or what you
felt or whatever it was, but the details, but enough
that you were told you were successful. We were you
when you provided what's a value? Right, Let's come on,
let's fay. Let's say say we all have egos, and
I think part of it is, yeah, we don't want

(01:56:50):
you to know that you're really good at this, right,
In other words, we want to keep you doing what
you do for us. And maybe they're not even telling
you how really great what you're doing for us is
or how accurate, because we really don't want you to
understand just how powerful you are. That's the word for powerful. Yep,

(01:57:21):
that thing that I said about Mars. Wow, that had
heard this theory that that mark that that basically that Mars.
And again this is folkus. This is just theory that
the civilization that happened in Mars. Some of the men
that appear might be Etis, or we might be the Martians,

(01:57:42):
or who knows, maybe some of the eighties we have
around here are Martians that escape from Mars when it
I don't know what happened to it. Maybe there's some
type of cataclysm, you know, think about it. Let's see
what if the ets and I know there's people that know, Marlene,

(01:58:02):
they're from the Plates or something like that. Okay, let
me let's go with my version. What if the ets
are Martians escaped from Mars because it was something went
belly up on there all right, cataclysm natural or Martian made.
Who knows, they end up here on Earth whether you

(01:58:23):
want to, whether we go down the rabbit hole of
they were the Atlanteans will put that on the side.
They come here, but at the end of the day,
this planet is not really Mars. It's not the atmosphere,
the gravitational pull, but it's enough to so they hang
out here, but they can't leave, you know. They're like

(01:58:45):
they came over here because it's like, well, better less
than out of space. So they here. They're kind of stuck.
They're marooned. How's that they're marouned. So they make the
best of it. They have enough technology that allows them
to survive here, maybe with living inside spaceships or there whatever.
They wherever they live where they filter out and they
make whatever they breathe if they breathe, but whatever, you know,

(01:59:09):
the atmosphere and the gravitational pull. They learn to deal
with it. But they realize, hey, you know what if
we're stuck here, we are not going anywhere. But and
this is tough living here, this is when this is
not Mars. Well, what's the next best thing? Hybridize? Hybridize
with the humans so that our offspring will make it
easier to live here because they will be human like

(01:59:31):
or with the human qualities that enables them to breathe
the air live here. You know, we're earthlings. We are earthlings.
We are made, we have been made for living here.
We can survive, and maybe that's the whole you know,
how you hear about these ideas of the etes hybridizing
with humans, maybe that was maybe that's where it came from.

(01:59:55):
We're stuck, we're marooned. The only way we're going to
survive as in future generations, remember, because I don't know,
I'm going to assume they're finite they die off eventually,
is if we hybridize with the humans. And maybe it
takes a lot of tweaking because maybe, like a lot
of species, they're not genetically compatible. So maybe their scientists

(02:00:17):
had to do a lot of tweaking to make the
hybridization possible to begin with, always with the hopes that
we as as we are, will become extinct because this
is not our home planet, and better we have a
hybrid then that's the end of us. Why not. I mean,

(02:00:43):
I hate to say it. What was once upon a
time considered high sci fi is now very possible as
far as in theory, you know, but it's going to be.
Life is interesting, and that's an understatement as far as
what comes down the road and that's I think is

(02:01:05):
what's got a lot of people wigged out that normally
these changes, whether it's to the government or the environment
or just to every world overall, is in slower steps,
like slower I think. I said, change is inevitable, but lately,
like I said, yeah, it feels like it's we're on

(02:01:27):
a roller coaster, and I thing it's picking up speed.
And I'll say it again, we are creatures of habit.
We resist change even though it's inevitable. It's like, get
it to me slowly, you know, like, let's do the
change slowly. Let's not do anything abrupt No, don't do that.
Some people are more than others, okay, And lately I

(02:01:48):
think that that I think a lot of the stress
that people talk about, and I'm talking here first world
problem folks, I'm talking Americans, because that's that's where I'm at,
some of these high stress that we in other words,
we're not going out there like you know, once a mountain,
pond the caveman, where like I'm surviving day to day

(02:02:08):
if I can bring down something to eat. I'm talking
about that our stressors are produced because everything is changing
so quickly, and or we already anticipate the changes coming.
How's that everything is picked up speed? And if you've lived,

(02:02:29):
if you've been around for the lost thirty forty years,
you've seen it pick up speed every year. You know,
technology becomes obsolete overnight. If you like some technology that
you like, it becomes obsolete, not only because something better,
but even if you like it, the companies they don't

(02:02:50):
service it. The product becomes you can't. It's like, man,
this works great for me and maybe this is all
I need, but no, we're we're not gonna do I'm
gonna you know, we're not gonna do updates to it,
or you can't fix it, or you can't get apart
for an everybody, but what weight? In other words, every
time we try to dig our heels in and say,
you know that change it's great, but I don't need that.

(02:03:12):
I'm good with this. It works. No, no, no, no,
we're not going to let you off the hook. You know.
Either you change, you get you know. And I think
that that's what the big stressor for humans, because it's
just too much, too fast, and which is what I
was telling Linn about. It's like, yeah, change is great,
and then it's inevitable. But it's at what pace are

(02:03:32):
we doing it right? What you know where? And I
think that that's why humanity collectively, you see people with
sometimes whether there are health problems or mental problems. You know,
remember sometimes health problems are expressed because of things that's

(02:03:54):
going up here is expressed in the body because of
you with doubt, you're scared. Sometimes you're understanding. It's like, man,
I'm barely understanding this, and let me make a prediction.
Here we go. I'm not I'm not no technomm me, okay,
I'm not. But and I guarantee you. And nowadays, like

(02:04:15):
you say, you see kids that in the you know,
they're there in first grade and their computer savvy, and
they're doing this and that in the game. They will
come a time where as much as they think they know,
they will come a time that they're outpaced by something else.
Everybody thinks, oh, you're on the cutting edge. You're on
the cutting edge right now. Thirty years from now, you'll

(02:04:35):
look back and go, man, I remember when I had
this little keyboard on my desk at school and I
used to so yeah, I remember when I used to
write out my stuff down in the day planner. It
was great. Let's by the way, nobody knew what you
wrote in it isn't that great. Let's get how conspiratorial,

(02:04:58):
shall we when you wrote things in a day planner
unless you lost it in mind. Let me tell you
I never lost mine. Nobody knew what you wrote in there.
You could write in code, for all they knew you
could write in longhand. By the way, I learned write
in longhand many many, many years ago. This is when
you know secretaries would take notes in longhand, not longhand,
shorthand shorthand. I'm sorry, a shorthand. I learned shorthand. Let's

(02:05:21):
say you wrote your notes and your day plan is shorthand.
Good luck on people knowing what you were writing. Talk
about nobody knowing what was going on, nobody in their head.
Nobody could hack your emails or all the other stuff
now that's going on, where people's information is being exposed
or scraped or anything like that. If it's through writing, Hey, yeah,

(02:05:46):
telling you, Yeah, I know, I'm sounding like the good
old days, But sometimes there was something good about the
good old days, especially with what's going on nowadays. And
unless you've lived long enough to know the difference, between
one of them, because if you have if you were
born in the last twenty five years, you don't get it,
or in the last thirty years, you don't get it.

(02:06:08):
It's only if you lived longer that you're like, you know,
there was something before this. Let's see what happens. Anyway, guys,
I hope you like this interview with lind Buchanan. I've
got a lot of interesting guests just like him coming on.
I'm going to follow up to bring him back on.
I've got a lot of questions I want to ask
him his everything was fascinating. I'm just like, believe it

(02:06:31):
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It is?

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