Shadows and Whispers | Interview with Cyn Shrader Hill | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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you're all wonderful. Thank you for coming back. Everything it's
good over here. And now everybody tells me what's happening
with the animals. I lost a rooster and a chicken
and ce Levi and Chicken World. That's one thing you
learn when you have animals, you know, especially livestock or chickens.
Even though my chickens usually a very long lived sometimes

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they're killed like by a now or something. And sometimes
they just even though they don't appear sicknick. That's what
happened to one of my roosters and one of my
other girls. I could tell something was going on with her.
She wasn't eating. And like I said before, when an
animal doesn't eat, even though you leave them and you
isolate them, and that's it, that's the kiss of death. Literally,

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that's the kiss of death because eventually, and you know,
she have plenty of water and everything, and I was
looking at her, and it's like, and I've seen that before.
It's some weird thing chickens got going on. Like I've
treated it enough times to know that sometimes there is
no treatment for it. So yeah, So now I'm gonna
be on the lookout for the non existent chicks that
everybody runs into all the feed stores and basically empties

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out the bins by the time you get there is
I guess because of the is one whether you want
to call it the high cost of eggs or whatever.
Normally around this time, all the feed stores bring in
all these chicks, different breeds, and you're guaranteed to get
like a chicken pullets or we're going to be female hands.

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But now, I kid you not. I go in there
and the bins they've got the light bulbs on. Then
when I look in there, it's like nothing zero. And
there's a couple of places I've gone to, so yeah,
and uh, And this is the thing. Even when you
get them, you got to get them through chick hood.
And then if you've got hands there, depending on the breed,

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they might not stop laying for four to six months,
all right, something like that. And you know, there's a
whole series of things that can happen when they're chicks,
you know, before you get them to egg laying land,
is what I'm saying. But anyway, yeah, that's where I'm
at right now, where I'm thinking and told everybody everybody goes, well,
go go buy some chickens. No, because I have what

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they call a closed flock, which means I do not
bring in chickens into my flock. Because sometimes if you
can bring in a disease, I'm be knowing the chicken
might look all healthy, especially if you buy sometimes these
chickens at these God just meets there's place. There's a
lot of places that you can buy chickens from, like
full grown when I mean chickens like hens or roosters

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or whatever. But you got to be real careful. You
bring our disease in and that's it. It'll wipe out
your flock. So but the only thing I bring in
are the chicks, which they ship them over from the hatchery.
But yeah, that's another mini lesson in chicken. When you're
a chickenista, you know about this. So anyway, another news
and which by the way, will be appropriate when you

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see who our guest is hopefully I when I'm releasing
my book before the summer hols that okay, I'm it's
in the throes of editing. And let me tell you,
as hard as writing is, the editing part has got
to be like, ah, you know, either you come up
with great ideas or you look at something. But what

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was I thinking? Especially this book that's taken me a
really long time. I don't know. I've been like, I've
massaged this twenty twenties. It's like, so I'll keep you
guys updated again if you sign up to this Stack newsletter,
I am going to have information on the release date
on Amazon. I'll probably have a free giveaway at least
on the Kindle version of it, maybe the first week

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it comes out. Let's see. Let's see. But I gotta
finish giving a real known day for my editing before
I can say, okay, it's gonna be released on the state.
One of those deals, all right, when you know what
they say about good intentions on best laid plans, well,
that kind of deal. But anyway, let's get on to
the good part. The good part is who is our

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guest today at Stories to the Supernatural? This is the
first time she's here. Her name is Sinn Schrader Hill.
She's a native of Fayetteville, Tennessee, home of the very
haunted Old Fayetteville Hospital, where she worked closely with the
hospital's owner, making EVP the host team for special events
and investigation. She has five books, Whispers in the Dark,

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to Go Stories and Eerie Tail's Web of Terror's short
story collection. She did this in collaboration with Mark Faults
Elliott Fultz, which Mark has I've interviewed Mark. I love Mark.
By the way they're speaking, are you listening? My most
compelling EVPs, It's not Goodbye, Signs from Beyond and Realm

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of Shadows, to growth Stores and Eerie Tales. She's a
sensitive an impath. She's known others were around her since
she was very young. She's also been rescued a few
times over the years from very dangerous incidents. San has
helped other paranormal teams as well as law enforcement officers
with EVP, which stands for Electronic Voice Phenomena analysis. Her

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desire to see him speak to those on the other
side has sent her to many of the most famous
and fascinating's locations, such as Gettysburg, Alcatraz, Goliad Presidio, La Bailla,
Winchester Mystery Housed, the Bird Cage Theater which is in
Arizona at Tombstone Tower of London, Hey and Jinju Shrine

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and Rothenberg Dungeons, among others. As the founder of Elk
Valley Paranormal, she likes to be able to offer a
client some sense of relief from any unexplained happenings, whether
paranormal or not, that they've experienced. EVP isn't afraid to
reach out to work with other teams and has had
several successful co investigations. Sin was privileged to have an

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investigation photo or of a spirit feeding off of Auiji
board in Lynchburg, Tennessee, which was printed in tel Elgraye's
book Shades of Angels. She is currently working on her
next three books of true stories titled Death's Door and Dees,
Angel Rescues and Spirit Warnings. The second book in her

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sign sery It's Not Goodbye two Number two, More Signs
from Beyond and Chills of Fears. Hill and her psychic
medium friend and very talented trans artist Mark Elliott Fultz,
have formed their own company to publish their books, which
is full Telle Press. She's working on Mark's next books
as well as her own. Help may Well, Omar, How

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are you doing today.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Sin, I'm fine. Thank you for having me on the contrary.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
It's great. It's great. By the way, I have to interject,
I've interviewed Marcus it two or three times. He's such
a hoot. I love talking tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
He's one of my very best friends and I love Yeah.
We talk all the time and he's my first go
to if I have a question in anything paranormal.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Well, you know what's really funny is you talk to
Mark and he's funny and everything, but then when you
ask him something about the paranormal, he can get very
serious and very knowledgeable really quick like that, you know,
all of a sudden, it's like no. And that's what
I love about him, that he'll be laughing and cracking
a joke. And who was it that last time I
spoke to me, is yeah, I'm the fat psychic or

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something like that. He told me something along the lines
out of the look and that's a laugh of okay Mark,
But yeah, and then but then he's very knowledgeable when
it comes when it comes to the paranormal and things
of that nature. Let me ask you. It says you
had experiences as a kid, what happened?

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I didn't know what was happening. I had my first
deja voo experience when I was six years old. So
that was during school art period, sitting in front of
the bulletimboard drawing the American flag, the symbol of the
United States as a matter of fact, the site seal
and I got to the talents and drawing the arrows

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and I'd done that before, except I hadn't I was sick,
So that started kind of some weird things happening there.
I had a doll collection. Something was attached to at
least one of the dolls that I had, So just

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little things like that over the years.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Let me ask you with this with a dollphing, do
you think it was negative or it was just something
that was there that maybe you felt companionship with it
or what.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
No, it was not companionship. It was something that was
watching me and I could not change clothes in my
own room. It was one of those things that and
I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what
which one it was attached to, so I would turn

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on I say something.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
For a kid to be because usually kids are like
they'll put on clothes and take off they don't ye
usually don't pay attention to stuff like that. So for
you to be aware that I feel like I'm being watched.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
And this was this was like eight years old, yes,
and to ten to twelve around and there was.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
It an old doll or was it like a more
modern doll? Was this something that somebody like a recent purchase?
It was.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
I had a collection of old and new. So most
of what I had were things that my parents would
bring back from trips or their friends overseas. Yes, so
I had you have no idea from all over, had

(11:17):
no idea. I had a couple of China dolls and
I still have those, and it was not attached to
the China dolls.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yes, so I believe it. Sometimes you think it's only
the old things, but not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
No, No, whatever it was, I don't have it anymore.
Getting rid of those dolls're.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
It's like, okay, I'm not going to figure out which
one of you it is. So you're all going, you're
all out.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Of here, and and everything I have now you know,
we're special to me for whatever reason, my grandmother gave
them to me, or or you know that it was
from a special place I'd gone to and none of
the things that I had with me have attachments.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Well, you know, I've talked about with other people that
you know, sometimes people pick up curbside things or garage
sales or the flea market, and I tell everybody, you've
got to be a little bit careful with some of
these things because sometimes there's either it's too good to
be true, especially like stuff that you find curbs not
all the time. I don't want people to get paranoid,
but you'd be surprised you can get you can bring

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in an attachment or something on one of these items.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
One of the weirdest things that has happened to my
team we did. One of our last investigations was around
the Decatur area in Alabama, and we Michael, one of
our newest members, got us that investigation. They were having problems.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
It was.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
A family, extended family, so they had the mother, daughter, granddaughter,
cousin that you know, that kind of thing living in
this one dwelling. It was a trailer, it was a
double wide. It was cluttered. Okay, usually clutter can stir things.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Or almost definitely, So.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
If you can clear out the clutter, which I need
to do myself in my own house.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
But how can I say it? Though there's there's clutter,
and then there's clutter like well, yeah, there's something there
that speaks maybe of other this something else going on
underneath the stuff that might.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Be fueling almost hoarding.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah, right, like a hornage where there's it's see the
part of or the dynamics of what's going on is
producing making it worse the paranormal events. I don't know
if you understand what I'm saying, not just that you
have a lot of stuff against that's a different thing.
But go ahead, keep going.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Well, this we we tried everything. We were looking for everything,
anything and everything. We had already done a questionnaire with
the family. We'd gone over the questionnaire with the family,
we had done a walkthrough, we had taken pictures, we
had done baseline sweeps and a little bit of everything

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we were doing. We had separated so that I walked
through by myself, Sean and Michael had walked through. You know,
just different dynamics. Okay, let me see what I feel,
Let me see you tell me what you felt. That
kind of thing. We all found the whole way to

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be a little bit something off. Okay, something was off
energy wise, so they did they checked as far as
EMF and something something was going off around that area.
And we finally we were going back and forth trying
to figure out exactly where all ended up. It was

(15:01):
in the little girl's room, okay, and the grand babies.
And this little girl was I think she was she
was six or seven, so she was in school, right.
She had toys just like kids do. They've got them

(15:23):
just about everywhere. And her room, of course, had her
clothes in it, her bed, the closet. We opened the closet,
it's just a kid's closet, you know, stuff in it,
piles of toys, things like that. The EMF was going
off mostly around her closet, and so we started pulling

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things out one by one. Mm Sean and Michael would
hold up.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Just to see which item, yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
To see And so they pulled out this stuffed animal
and it went off. All of our bells and whistles
went off, and so they checked it. Okay, where's the
battery pack? No battery pack, Okay, there's no electronic anything
in this stuffed animal. It's just a stuffed animal. Okay,

(16:24):
Why was that thing cause anything to go off? Took
it outside it still went off, So it was the
animal itself. I mean, we asked the grandmother what do
you know about this thing? And she said, oh, we
picked that up at a yard cell. I think we

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paid a quarter for it. My granddaughter would not leave
without it. Now she doesn't want to play with it,
so she just shoved it in her closet. Well, it's
got something attached to it, yes, yes, so we had
to take it out. Michael actually took it from them

(17:05):
and took care of it, buried it. That kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
And that's the thing that that's that everybody thinks that
something's got attachment, it's gonna look weird or u usual
and the most innocuous looking thing like a teddy bear. Yeah, yeah,
we'll have something. It's some way, you know, attachment or
it might be intelligent, might not be intelligent. It might
be it might have been in a sick room, you know,

(17:30):
just picking up decati vibes.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Whatever it was had really tempted that little girl, and
then she'd gotten a little bit afraid of it.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yes, isn't that weird.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
He didn't want it, she didn't even want to see it.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Okay, that's yeah, that's probably what I was stuck in
the closet.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, down in a pile with stuff on top of it.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
So yeah, and kids sometimes they don't know. They just
they just act on how they feel, like, let's put
that in a closet. I don't And did the did
the did that client ever say that once the bear
was gone? Did everything it like that? I mean, yeah, okay,
that's and what what were what were they experiencing before that?

(18:13):
They called you guys in.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
They were having everything from footsteps, cabinets opening closing, which
I never saw any of that. We never heard any
footsteps while we were there. Right, it was just the
EMF going off and the lights, you know, different things
like that going off. Did not get any e vps.

(18:34):
It was just just.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
That thing with a bear. Yeah, see how weird it is.
Everybody thinks, you know, here this bear is producing maybe
what sounds like the sound of a human, you know,
like what you're saying, stuff being moved around in the
kitchen and things.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Like that, causing all both kids were having bad dreams. Okay,
I think grandmother had even started having bad dreams.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Yes, that's one of the signs that people don't realize.
Everybody can have a nightmare. It's like, come on that
it's not all paranormal. But when you start having a
lot of nightmares amongst the family and kids, Yes, there's
something going on that's producing that. There's definitely that you
need to look that. A lot of people don't realize
that that's sometimes a sign of some type of if

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you want to call it, spiritual turbulence or something's going
on something. So and I tell everybody, you know, I
would say you could should even smug or put the
healthy water, you pick up anything, no, whatever it is,
just before you get into the house, because again, you
just never know what it was used for. You know,

(19:46):
maybe Uncle Sam's favorite chair that he barely used and
he died. We left it out and guess what bringing
out on the chair, but Uncle Sam to go with it,
you know, because that was his favorite rocking chair. It happens,
you never know, You never know.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
A friend of mine at her husband's mother was attached
to some of the furniture that they had see. Yes,
she had called me over when Chip had gone to
work and she said, come over and see if you
feel or sense anything. So I went over and we

(20:21):
were just sitting in the living room talking and her
flat screen TV was in front of me, about five
feet away from me, but it was off and I
was sitting there talking to her, and then I saw
something out of the corner of my eye and I
looked at the flat screen and this beautiful redheaded woman

(20:43):
walked behind me and I, of course I turned to
look right and see nothing. But Pam said, did you
just see something? And I said, who's the redhead? And
she said, you saw her? And I said, she's beautiful,

(21:06):
long red hair. She's wearing a ball gown. She's had
she had one of these. It looked like from the
seventies or eighties where it was a strapless but then
they had those scarves that and draped all the way
down to the floor. Right, that's what she had on.

(21:30):
And beautiful, Oh, she was gorgeous. And I told her,
I said, she is dressed to the nines. I don't
know where she's going, but she is dressed. And she said,
that's Chip's mother. And I said, well, she's showing herself.
Around twenty ish to twenty five ish somewhere along in there,

(21:52):
and she's dressed like she's going to the ball.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
That inc one is they.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Seen her themselves, they had heard her, okay, but when
I described her, she said, that's Chip's mother.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Bent you because he has pictures of his mom when
she was younger.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And she said before she died, she
had told them to take care of her furniture. Yes,
don't do anything, don't get rid of it, you know,
don't mess it up, take care of it. And so
she was just around making sure that they were taking
care of it.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
People don't understand that certain personalities are attached to the
material I don't want to say that more materialistic, but
they're just more attached to their things. Whereas some people
don't care what you do with my stuff. I'm gone,
it's by there's other people that to them, their things
are like the you know, like the preciousest. They still
feel that way even after they're gone. They're giving instructions

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as in.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Yes, you better take care of it.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah they don't take care of it, don't get rid
of it, and be like oh but yeah, that's anything.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
It could be anything, anything, yes, you know a little
or something or people.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
People get that that to you, you would say, and like,
what's the big deal, Like, yeah, but every people are weird.
Their personalities are just whatever the connection is. As a
matter of fact, a lot of people out of that
hoarding tendencies, you know, like the ones like when you
see they become they give like person One of the

(23:25):
reasons why they have a hard time getting rid of
stuff is that they form like a relationship. They give
a personality to inanimate objects. That's why they have such
a hard time. I mean, it's more complicated than that.
But as far as like when they tell them, hey,
we're gonna throw these things away, they're like no, no,
because they've formed like a bond like what people do

(23:47):
like with a with other people with animals. But yeah,
there's there's personalities that are like like like that. I
think that that's my theory. I think a lot of
these ghost sometimes that they'll say, oh, it's the old
owner or they got to build a house that they
never love. There was no tragedy per se. Why is
this person still sticking around? It's because their personality was
this is my home or I built it. It's my place,

(24:09):
all right, and I'm just gonna stay here.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Here, put this blood, sweat and tears in that house.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
Yes, and they're staying exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Those people ask a lot of times, you know, after
a remodeling situation where that can stir things up, that
after somewhere has been remodeled, they'll have ghosts walking through
the walls. Well it seems to be a doorway.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Exactly, a lot of people have found that out that
if they've ever find out, like why do I keep
seeing this whatever going into the walls? Like they find
out later there was a door there, or something was there,
or something was rearranged. The same thing I want to
say with workplaces, I say, you know what, work, there's
such a thing as a workaholic where this person's life

(24:55):
was not really their best place was at work, not
at home. Yeah, you know this is they sometimes I
tell once upon a time, you don't people used to
work twenty to thirty years at the same spot and
they formed relationships with their coworkers, and especially if they
were a workaholic, this was their happy place. Did you're thinking, white,
why would you haunt your your workplaces? Because this is

(25:16):
where they felt the happiest, that's where they felt they
had to ownership of it, and maybe they worked there
for thirty years. You know, they have good memories because.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, my mom and dad had an autopart store there
you go, you're in town, and my dad died in
two thousand and one. My mother and my sister tried
to keep the autopart store going. But in the Bible Belt,
here two women running an autopart store with O'Reilly's advanced autos,
and its like, you know, it's just not going to happen.

(25:50):
So they ended up having to close it and my
husband cleaned it out, and I had a paranormal team
come in just to see if my dad was still there,
because I hadn't gotten any sign from him, and I
was a daddy's girl. So this was in twenty thirteen.
We lost him in two thousand and one. They'd ended

(26:12):
up closing the store in about two thousand and three, okay,
somewhere around in there, three or four, and so you know,
all utilities, nothing was on. My husband had gutted it.
So now all the paperwork, everything was gone. And I
stood in the dark talking to my dad trying to

(26:34):
get into nothing. Nothing. The only place that their instruments
lit up is exactly the spot where my dad's chair
sat for thirty years. Oh see, yeah, because he was
always there. That's he would get there early and he
would leave late. He would actually sit after closing, which

(26:57):
they closed about five thirty. Mom would get home, you know,
they would have dinner ready, and Dad would sit and
watch he hauw.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
I remember he huw.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Yes, we would watch that, and he would watch Will
of Fortune. We have to watch a couple of those.
And he would have a drink after work and sit
here and wind down, and then he would go home
and have dinner.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, there you go. And this was his routine. This
was his happy moment. Yes, people don't understand that that habit.
This was like, this is the reward for a good
day's work. How's that right?

Speaker 2 (27:36):
And he did.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, isn't that incredible? The one spot where he had
his rocking chairs where you guys get a reading.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
That was the only spot. That was the only spot.
They got two EVPs, and that's what actually started me
interested in audio and I actually joined their team that evening.
They asked me to be case manager so I would
find places for us okay, and they got two EVPs.

(28:04):
One was something not connected to my family at all,
it was holy mackerel, which to me, that's that's something
that was said in the nineteen thirties, forties or fifties,
somewhere along in there. Okay, before there was an autopart store,
there was a furniture store. There was a Red Cross building.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
I was about to ask you how old was that building.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
It's very old. There was a ice cream factory there
was in the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Wow, it goes back that far.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes, in the eighteen hundreds. The basement was actually street
level and it was a turkey slaughter house. Oh oh yeah,
and so they had oh my god, p of turkeys clucking.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yes, I was gonna say that imprint is very.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, yeah, that is.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
That is. That is I've noticed that. So matter of fact,
it's really funny because they did this study I think
I can't remember what university out of Canada. I think
it was, but I can't remember. It's particularly they did
a study. They noticed that areas around slaughterhouses they don't
understand why there's an uptick in violent crimes, and they

(29:17):
think that it has to do and part of me
is I don't know, you know, was the area of
the slaughterhouse a bad area to begin with, neighborhood wise,
maybe that's it. I don't know how they vetted the area,
but bottom line, they kind of did a study where
like in other words, the vibrations or on a metaphysical level,
whatever comes off like slaughterhouses or were they even if

(29:38):
it's an animal, the something to the area around it.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
It almost has to all that blood trauma.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yes, yes, I believe that.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Yes, And before they the story is torn down now,
but before they tore it down, you could walk down
in that basement there were still the two huge vag
that they would boil turkeys in hooks, still hung from
the ceiling. Wow.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
I don't know. I've told everybody, I don't know what
it is about basement seller's minds. Anything that's buried as something,
there's always if there's a paranormal event, it's got a
dark slam to it. I don't know what it is
about anything that's in the earth. I don't know why.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, And you know a lot of the buildings around
my little square, most of them have things going on,
and a lot of the owners of these places don't
like to talk about it. That. You'll find a handful
that we'll say, yeah, we got some activity.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Well they do they do that thing. Well, I haven't
told them. You don't tell anybody about it, but.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Yeah, that's how it usually starts. Yeah, but a lot
of the businesses around the square have wells in the
baseball my god.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yes, people don't understand that there's people. And by the way,
a lot of times some of these houses later on,
they don't know they have a well their houses.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Did Mark ever tell you about his Well.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
No, maybe he did, but go ahead and tell.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Me, holy cow, that that it's torn down now. But
he took me over. This was his uh grandparents' house
in Chattanooga, okay, And he always saw things when he
was little at this house. And and you know, just

(31:36):
kind of weirded out by the basement, okay. And so
even his cousin had they had made an art studio
for her in the basement, and she did not even
want to go down there. Wow something about it. They
would say, well, go go draw, go paint for a
little while, and she would go outside and hide for

(31:57):
Instagram instead of go in that basement to paint. So
Mark has seen faces in that basement looking out the window.
A different thing. So he takes me one day, We're
all daylight and he goes. I said, I want to
see it, and he said, okay, all right, So we
go up. It's no one's living there and hecause he

(32:21):
opens the door to the basement and we walk in.
So the way the house was situated is from the front.
From the front of it, you couldn't see the basement area.
And it was built on a hill. Right, you could
walk in the basement from the lower side, which is
what we did. And I walked in and immediately I

(32:48):
was like, ooh, I don't I'm not sure about this.
And he walked over. He said, come here, I want
to show you something. And he walked over and he said,
here's the well. And immediately when he said well, and
I looked up and saw it, I said, Mark, get
away from there, Get away from there, get away from there.

(33:10):
And he said I'm okay. I said, please get away
from there. Yes, yes, so he said, I know. He said,
something's something's weird about it.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
I know, yes, I bet. Let me tell you something.
There's but there's you know that there's been areas where
people they've had wells and then where was a field?
All this you know, like one of these wells and
basically they've covered it with a slab and then they've
built on top of it. There, so there's people sitting,
you know, with a well underneath their house and they

(33:42):
have no idea, no idea that they have a well
underneath their house. And then they had a weird stuff
and they're like, we're not close to the water, we're
not close to a river. And he's like, yeah, but
you've got a well. Then they probably got a slab
on it, and then you know, leveled it out, and
you've got a house on top of it. And because
people they used to do that in the olden days,
you know, where they would keep wells.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yes, why he's he's almost convinced that someone died in
that well. That's why they were having so much. That's
why they were seeing faces, you know, And that's why
I got creeped out. As soon as he was standing
near it. I was, oh, no, get away, get away,
get away anything.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
One time I had a case where there was one
room in particular, and this was a modern house. This
was like but over here, like in Florida, the people
will dig the wells in the yards so that they
could put their their sprinkler systems, you know, so because
I'm not it'll cost you fortune, you know. So they
put one of these wells and then they'll just put
a motor on it and they'll run the lines. And

(34:46):
there was one room in particular it was like a
teenage the teenager of the and it was like, and
I'm thinking, okay, what's they have been there in this
house for a while. It was like when did this
start happening? And then on something it was like, sure enough,

(35:06):
I walked in there and you could do I mean,
we were doing an investigation, and it was like, wait
a minute. And I remembered that when we drove up.
You know how some of these wells they have well here,
at least here in Florida, they have iron. So sometimes
if there's a sprinkler, you'll see.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
The yellow on the wall.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
And I remember, wait a minute, when we drove up,
I could have sworn up on that corner of the
house with some type of yellow on it. That's iron,
that's a well. That's wait. I walked outside. Sure enough,
right there in the corner because they had put it,
like on the sign in the corner of the house
where they dug it and they had the motor on it.

(35:46):
And I looked at it and I said, and it
was right the wall was it was right next to
the room of the wall of that room. And I said,
let me ask you something, when did you guys get
that well put in? And you say, they're all looking
at they're like what they're like thinking like huh, I said,
WHOA six or seven years ago kind of, but did

(36:08):
you ever have anything happening before you put that well in?
And they're like, you can tell you can see, you know,
when people's wheels are turning and they're looking at each
other and they're like, oh no, no, you know, they're
like they're they're like they did sure enough. Then when
they start recollecting, because it wasn't it didn't go from
zero to sixty. It wasn't like nothing's happening and then

(36:29):
everything's you know, things are flying around, right. But they
I personally think that it started back then and as
this girl that was in there, she went into pubescence,
you know, she became an adolescent. It took off. And
I don't think that per se it was a ghost,
but there was something connected as far as paranormal activity.

(36:52):
Because of that well that was dug into the earth
and then it just so happened right next to the
room of a girl that's coming into becoming a teenager,
a girl all things. And I think that's why, little
by little it started making all these weird things. Yeah,
and it was tight and you could have those people.
You could have seen their faces were like the well,
what does the well have to do with anything? And

(37:14):
it's like sometimes it's stuff.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Flick you see. You see when you ask people questions,
you see the light bulb go off.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yes exactly, yes, yes, because they don't know the point
of origin, especially if they've lived in this place for
X amount of years, like what was a trigger and what?
But you so you got to walk them back a
little bit, like the memory walk down memory lane, like
when because like I said, at the beginning, some things

(37:42):
are very scattered and they might not have even paid
attention to it at the beginning. No, people are busy,
they're living their.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Life, exactly. And you know there even though there's all
these shows on TV that I know and we know
those shows aren't real. We know this because what do
we do. We sit in the dark and we hope
for something like that, yes happened.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yes, but this is this is what I tell everybody.
I said, these these shows, what is it like a
fifty minute Let's say, if it's an hour, you know,
when you move out the commercials and all that they
were in fifty minutes, they have to be entertaining, you know,
and usually they're they're like, you know, first of all,
they have a production team, and they have a producer,

(38:33):
and they have so they vet the locations, and you
better that better have something to show for it. Because
of that, it's going to be a short lived show.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Well, the Zach and his Chris came into Lincoln County
to do to work the old hospital. Okay, they bought
four days, yeah sah to make their forty minute episode.
And you know that's highlights, Yes, spot that highlights, including history,

(39:03):
including the reveal, including all of the best parts of it.
What they what people don't see is the setup and
the walking through trying to figure out okay, now was
that your footstep just then or was that something that
really did make a noise? You know, that kind of thing.

(39:24):
Most of all we see, yes, hopeing You're like, and
you have you noticed too that when you guys start
talking about anything but paranormal, Like if you're just talking
about something that happened at your house a birthday party,
and just start talking about no, no, no, that's when

(39:45):
things starting.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Hey, they're dropping is like what, Hey, they're not asking
me what my name is? Wait? What what did they say?

Speaker 2 (39:53):
They're not paying attention to us anymore? Not not nice?

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yes, yes, yes that or before or usually have to
put your equipment away or your stuff away, it's like, now
you're gonna do something, now, wow, that's great. Yes, but
I can tell everybody I was doing, you know, investigations
when you had to pay to develop film, so there
wasn't that much reliance, so you did a lot of observation.

(40:16):
How is that exactly what you said, which is where
you use your body basically, And I tell everybody, believe
it or not, your body is one of the best
instruments there is, especially after you tune it up a
little bit and you do this work for a little bit,
you you feel certain things and it's happened to me
and even on my team, where your body will feel

(40:38):
it and then the equipment will go off, yes okay,
but you'll be like hey, and then whatever it is,
you know, stuff like that. So, you know, but observation
has a lot of value instead of you know, I
understand about the equipment. I get it, and you know,
especially in one of these shows that they need to
produce some type of proof or something that can be

(40:58):
you know, shown. But there's a lot of stuff that
you have, experiences that you can't record or just you know,
the the like you said, the feeling like I feel
you know something about this place. Let me ask you
that Fayetteville Hospital. Was that just a regular hospital or
what kind of hospital was it?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
It was just a regular hospital.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
It was a regular hospital.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
It was actually before it was a hospital, it was
a college for teachers. That's where they went to learn
how to be a teacher. Okay, and before that it
was a boys' school.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
So how far back does it go? What is it?

Speaker 2 (41:37):
It goes back to the early nineteen hundreds. Okay, the
boys' school I'm pretty sure was early nineteen hundreds. The
teaching school was through let's see, the twenties into nineteen thirty,
I believe it was, and then the teaching in college

(42:00):
moved to one of the Carolinas to Erskine, I believe
is the name of the school over there, and it
became a Presbyterian college, so it became involved in that.
The hospital was a different spot in town, so it

(42:22):
moved there, and over the years there were at least
three add ons from nineteen thirty. It actually closed in
two thousand and one, really the day before nine to eleven. Wow,
really weird, really weird. That was its final day. Now

(42:45):
most everything had already been moved to the new hospital, yes,
but that was the day they finally closed the old hospital.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
One of the questions why I ask, is that once
upon a time, especially in the asylum some hospitals that
the staff used to live, they would have a building
where the staff, the nurses. I know that in some
cases mostly it was where the house, you know, especially
if they were like TV asylums where it was more remote,
so you would have these the staff like live on

(43:16):
the grounds like. And the reason why I bring that
up is, I tell, you know, everybody, especially when the asylums,
everybody's looking at the crazy people running around or the
TV I go, you know, there's a lot of drama
that went on with the.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Staff, you know that right in the swells.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that you know, you're
thinking it's just the crazy people or the people that
live it. That's that they used to live there.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, those doctors and nurses.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's stuf. There's with drama there,
like you know, uh, jealousy, the you know, the whole
nine yards there. Yes, because of course they all lived there.
It wasn't like they went home and you know, they
come back the next day like what we're used to now,
like you're going to come back the next day, so

(44:00):
you know, these liaisons and you know, oh, but for sure,
I said, you know how a lot of stuff went
on there that God knows, you know, some of that
disappearing nurse though, it wasn't the patient that did away
with her. It was maybe the doctors like oops, somebody
push it down the stairs.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah. Yeah. One weird thing about that old hospital is
there's five basements in it. Wow, and they don't connect.
They don't correct, they do not connect.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
That is weird.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
The oldest, the oldest one is right in the center
of the hospital and that's that used to be the
front steps to the college. And so then they built
around that and it became the furnace.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Room and you would think though, that they would be connected,
like just to make it easy, now you're gonna have
five different entrances.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Yep, it's the weirdest. It's uh. I tell you where
they did the diagnostics stuff that is amaze. You can
get lost just on that side of the hospital, on
the first door, just on the first floor.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Did they leave any of the equipment or because I
see some of the hospitals that they leave files, they
leave equipment. It's like they like the staff got up
and walked out.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, there were there were even not diplomas, but certificates
from some of the doctors that they had gone through
a certain training or.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
It's incredible, just left just left it. One time, I
did an urban exploration of an old prison here in Florida.
It wasn't it wasn't that old, old old. I mean
it stretches back so like nineteen hundreds and they closed it. Well, no,
I take that back, well nineteen eight, no two. Around

(45:53):
that time. I remember there was this one building where
I want to say there was this is basically what
they had the equivalent of, not the SWAT team, but
if they ever had to something went crazy in the prison.
The walk in there and they have these Remember once
upon a time where everything was on paper. I remember
it was two thousand and six because the paperwork was

(46:13):
in there was two thousand and six.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I'm like opening up these file cabinets and they've got
people's like files.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Just left there because left there.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
And I was like, what in the world sensitive you know,
your personal information of employees higher you know, And I'm like, okay,
And you know, they had a I mean, some of
the other stuff doesn't care, you know, yellow pages, who cares.
But there was a bunch of stuff the office that
they just left it there.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
That stuff you would have think you would think they
would burn that.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
They would they or that least box it, take it away, sinerate.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
It, shreddit some something something.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
And they didn't. So I know what you mean. As
far as that they up and walk away and just
leave things like that, That's incredible. I mean, And I
mean I understand the employee thinking, but you know, like
I guess I'll take care of it. No, they didn't,
you know. The but and part of it, I want
to say, sometimes would you get you know, and I

(47:14):
don't know, sin if you've experienced that, you go into
some of these places. It's not per se that they're
haunted by a ghost. It's just the imprint on the
fabric of the place, of the life, what's going, what's
gone on there, especially if it's been there for a while,
that you walk on you know that. I want to say,
even you know how sometimes or I felt somebody brush
by me, I go because sometimes that movement, let's say

(47:36):
down a hallway, was constant, right, And I want to
say that place has almost like a But it's not.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Intelligent, it's not right right the guy that.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Sometimes that is. But sometimes it's just that I think.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
The old hospital has both. One of the one of
the residual spirits that run across quite often is an
nurse that wears that nineteen seventies Avon flooral perfume, you know,
the stuff they stay in and yes, oh.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Lord help us, Yes, yes Avon was back back then.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yes it was, and she wore it proudly. And she
has never interacted with any of us. We just we
just smell her when she's around.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
She might just be in this like doing her own
thing with her existence is she has no that doesn't
see euch side.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Of doing her thing. She's usually on the second floor
around the o R. So she she was a nurse,
but occasionally she has been I know a couple of
times down on the first floor. So probably going to
HR for something or going to supply room or pharmacy
or something. Yes, but yes, yeah, she she is there.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah. But but hospitals, I think, Oh, the hospitals, there's
drama just because of what happens.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Yeah, you got birth, death, everything in between. Uh, car
wrecks coming in. You know, you're patching people up. Some
people make it, some people don't. You've got all of
that high and low. You've got the birth of a
baby or does that baby not make it or there's
another not make it.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
A lot of people don't realize that sometimes ghost whether
they stay ghosts or not, is people that they die
so suddenly, like either an accident or they're an esthetize.
I say they're during surgery that they just they missed,
they missed the memo, the party, you know, and they're like, huh, yeah,
what went on. Yeah, It's not like somebody that's elderly

(49:53):
or sick and they know that death is approaching. Maybe
their last memory was driving in their car and they
really a very bad accident, you know.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, you just never know. One of one of our
little spirits is a little girl and Mark has actually
talked about her. Before she was about five years old.
She died of an appendicitis. Yeah, and her parents were
with her. Her parents were there and they went to

(50:24):
the funeral home to make arrangements.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
That's when the little girl spirit became aware that she
was alone and she thought she had been left, okay,
and so that kind of traumatized her into staying. And
she became friends with one of the nurses around the
maternity area. Okay, so they were usually together there you go.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
But that's some of those things that, yeah, that they
especially for a child, I would say, was the understanding
of death, even when they're alive, it's very limited. They
don't really understand the concept per se.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
No, And then their parents are there and then they're
not why did mama laithe me like?

Speaker 1 (51:10):
And then you hear people that have that, you know
that they die and then they follow their body and
they still don't get it either. They don't understand and
want so they'll follow their body and they're trying to
get back in their body, but maybe their body just
is like you're not getting back in or it's been
really hurt, you know, like destroyed. So they follow the
body to the morgue and then they follow the body

(51:31):
to the corner, depending or maybe to the funeral home,
and then they end up following the body all the
way to the burial site, to the cemetery because they're like,
I can't let it out of my sight. That's my body,
you know, that's my body. Because they still they're behind that,
they don't get the you're dead and they can't get
back in, but they're like, I can't that's my body. Yeah,

(51:52):
and they say and like and it takes sometimes they
say that that. Sometimes you see in cemetery some of them.
Eventually they they get them, you know, they they or
they see somebody. But sometimes that's in cemeteries persuades. They
they're hanging out because hey, they put my body down there.
I'm going to hang out here until I figure this out.

(52:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
That's really scary, you know, to think yes, yes, yes,
to have everything that you know taken away from you, yes,
and then watch it as it's being taken away.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yes, you know what happens, especially if you're how's this
I want to say, especially if you're younger, how's this unexpectedly?
Because when you're older, even if you're younger, but you're
ill or something that you expect, you know, there's already
it's like, come on, it's already creeped. But if you're young,
you know, when you're young, nothing will ever happen to you.
Kind of right, that kind of thing, that mindset is like,

(52:57):
of course, I'm not dead. How can I be dead
to be around for another sixty years? What are you
talking about?

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Yes, they they and the let me and you know
one of the things the other day, and I don't
know if they ever had that in your area, and
I know where around the eighteen hundreds, I want to say,
like eighteen fifties into the nineteen hundreds they would have
these things where some of these unclaim not all the time,

(53:26):
where they were stealing these bodies to sell them to
the colleges for anatomy, you know, the dissection. And at
one point it's really funny, believe it or not. You
know a lot of times was there go between in
the hospitals the janitors the janitar really yeah, the janitors

(53:47):
would be the ones to give them a heads up
on unclaimed bodies. First, that would go to unclaimed bodies
because they usually knew this is going to go in
the potter's field. There's not going to be any family
it's going to come around, you know, or nothing like that.
But if they were really hard up or they needed,
you know, a certain type, the janitor was the one
that would tell. Usually it was the doctor that ran

(54:10):
like the medical department in the university, and they would
they had like this thing and then they would have
the other people that the resurrection is what they call
them our body snatches or whatever you want to call them.
That the doctor would tell them, hey, you need to
go out there and you need to get there's there's
somebody getting buried out there to day. And they would

(54:32):
they would, and I'm thinking to myself, this is also
the ingredient for a haunting.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, if.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
You're thinking, you know, you're seeing your body, you know,
if you're hanging out and maybe you're ready to leave,
but all of a sudden, your body's they would sometimes
they would do is they would either get a hook
and either pull them out through their eye orbit or
under here because they didn't want to destroy it, or
hurt the body, you know, because the body is and
they would they would put the ground all back up,

(55:01):
you know, they wouldn't like they would like tap down
the ground, you know, and hope that the sexton whoever
did the grounds keeping wouldn't notice. And usually, you know,
since it was just buried, the earth was disturbed to
begin with. So that was a big, a lot of
a big deal as far as body snatching that went on,

(55:23):
and they would they would be shipped out like you know,
like in those big barrels and stuff. They would like
scrunch them in there. That was they were making a
lot of money on that. And I look at that
and I'm like, I could see where this could cause
a haunting really easy, really easy.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Well, you know, that's that's a lot of times back
in I think it was eighteen hundreds where they would
put collars on the bodies so that nobody could take
a body. Yes, collar was the back of the coffin, yes,
or the bars over the coffin.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yes. They would do a lot of that. And they
even had they usually had like the more expensive cemeteries
would have like a I guess the equivalent of a
security guard that was out there Oh, yes, exactly, that's
what I was going to say a lot of times
to them. There was like, hey, the person's dead, Like

(56:18):
who cares, I need to make my money. But yes,
there was. This was a lot of money. People don't
realize this was isolated. A lot of these cemeteries were
we're doing this because these medical colleges were paying top
the holder for the you know, for the for bodies,
and literally so long did for the anatomy class.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
That reminds me. There was a big story about something
to do with this, and I want to say it
was a senator from the Midwest. Uh maybe up out
of Indianapolis maybe maybe, yeah, somewhere along in there. But

(57:01):
it was a senator and so his son's paid to
have the body guarded m and they paid to have
a concrete slab poured over the coffin. Yes, and they
paid for other things, you know, to get through the

(57:25):
way and make sure that the body was always watched,
and they you know, opened the coffin make sure the
father was still in there before they poured the concrete.
Blah blah blah blah. Buh. Well, cut to a couple
of weeks later and they were called there had been
a grave robbery next to there, the senator's grave, so

(57:52):
another grave had been disturbed, and they went looking for
that particular body at this college. The first body they
saw was the senators.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I know that story. I know exactly what.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
I can't remember the name now.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I think it was I want to say, I want
to say it was Indianapolis or in that area, somewhere
that area. And you know what I'm going to say
real quick, when you say that cement, you know a
lot of people, do you really think it's coincidental? White
some of you had to have the money even back
then why they had mausoleums because you could put the
body in there and you could close it and they

(58:30):
wouldn't have access to it. Or I don't know if
you've gone to cemetery's, especially the older ones where they
have these vaults of cement, like you're like, order, what
do they have? And it's because back then, I bet
you if you look at the burial date, it was
mid to late you know, nineteen hundred, you know, I'm sorry,
eighteen hundreds where this was a real concern. It wasn't

(58:50):
like Edgar Allen post Off, this isn't real.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
You know it was really happening.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
This story on that is it. I'll tell you what.
The guy that was stolen his was his Sonat's grandson
ended up being President of the United States last time
of Johnson. Okay, and I want to say it was
around Indianapolis. It was, It wasn't that. You know. Story
is the son which is young, he's the future president.

(59:21):
He's the young guy. They have a friend their age,
but he has tuberculosis. All right, he's wasting away and
he dies. They bury him. A few days later, his
father passes away. They go bury him, and somebody of

(59:42):
the party of the funeral says, hey, they noticed that
the young man that they had just buried his dirt
looks disturbed, let's face it. So they're thinking, ah, so
they open it. Sure enough he's gone. So him and
some cousins, you know, all these young men I can't remember.

(01:00:04):
It was a universe that was close by that they
knew and like in other words, they had their suspicions.
So they go over there. Guess who meets them, the janitor.
The janitors were usually the ones. The janitor and they
go up I think to the fifth floor or the
fourth floor. Somewhere where they had the anatomy, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
I wish I could remember the name.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
It'll come to me eventually, like probably after I finished
talking to you. But anyway, so they notice that there's
a body that's already because they had like a pulley
like they were going to lower it. And they look
at it and one of them says, hey, are you
sure that's not the young guy, and he goes, no,
it's well, whoever's there's too hefty. My friend when he died,
he was wasted away from TV. He was very slight,

(01:00:46):
very skinny. And the other friend or the cousin that
went with him, says, but let's look anyway. So when
they look, guess what it was the father that they
had just buried, which they had no idea they were
looking for the young guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
They had just the young guy in the barrel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
One they did find them, eventually, they did find them
in a barrel. Yes, they were so wigged out with
like what mm hmm their father they had just buried
their father. And yes, they did find the young man
a barrel.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
We're going to have to put the name of this
story in the notes for this chef.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yes, yes, and it was one. And then what happened
was that that town was so outraged because supposedly this
cemetery was like for the wealthy, yes, and they were like,
what they're taking our debt, you know, because when it
was Potter's Field or nobody was like, oh, well, that's
their problem. So all the wealthy people of that area,

(01:01:47):
you know, they're like, what they're taking us our important graves,
you know, our important corpses dead, you know, our family members.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Like they didn't spare anybody, nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
They took everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
And yes, concrete slab didn't do a darn thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Well, and in some cases they people sometimes don't realize
when they go to these older parts of the cemetery
why they took the trouble to put those even cement
things on the top of them. And it was because
of that because grave robbing was a real big problem.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
And yeah, they might not steal the whole body, but
they would get gold teeth, oh yeah, the things, and
you know, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Now let's fast forward to broadern times. Do you know
there's a big trafficking now with human body parts, right,
and I'm not talking organ harvesting, I'm talking with body parts, right, okay,
not only for medical purposes, but you know there's a
lot of people that keep them as weird collections.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Right, Yes, why, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Every time I look at that, it's like I would
have walked into those people houses if they paid me
a million bucks. There must be having some really dark
MALEVD and stuff going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
Oh gosh, you know they are. I mean it reminds
you of the worst horror movies.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yes, and it's like, oh, that's yeah, Oh I have it.
They had one guy that arrested. I laughed because you
have to laugh, and they kind of knew that he
was yet bought. And it's really funny because they advertised
it on Facebook, so they and they were doing the
transactions through PayPal. So anyway, they get there and one

(01:03:26):
of the I think one of the police officers, I
can't remember if it was the state off of state
investigator whoever, because I know it's like a federal I
don't know. He comes and the guy has the skull
with a scarf around it. He goes, that's my friend.
And then like the investigators are looking at each other
like is he's serious? Like is this guy crazy? Right?
You know, because they're like trying to figure out. But

(01:03:48):
a lot of these people they keep them in its house.
This it's not illegal houses, it's not illegal to have it.
But the problem was that this happened like in Harvard.
Harvard has their anatomy school where if you die, you
can will your body or your family can give your

(01:04:09):
body over for medical research. Right, fine, there's no problem
with that. Now what happens is when they finish using it,
they turn it over. They usually hire these different mortuaries
to come and incinerate whatever's left of the person. Okay,
and that's school. I understand he was saying, hey, make
use of my body. But what's happening was the director

(01:04:30):
of that part of the Harvard donation for thirty years.
Guess what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
He was turning around. He was selling these bodies as
in the parts, and he even got together with one
of the mortuaries that normally would come and pick up
the body to incinerate them. And they were shipping bodies
parts all over the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
And we're probably talking dark web stuff, right, No, that's
dark that's not even dark web stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
This just just broke No, No, I'm talking no, there
was one guy. He just he got prosecuted. As a
matter of fact, like a year and a half ago,
he had his and you know how it broke. I'm
telling you, it's like that's why I'm saying the drama,
this all, this is all happening, right, crazy, this is
all happening. This is one guy. Okay, he's a weird dude.

(01:05:21):
If you if you find let me see if I
can find a picture of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Okay, he's he has.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
This museum called Memento Mory and what he does is
he has dead things that would dead whatever. You know,
he's weird. When you s get this picture, you'll go,
holy crap, that's surprising. Anyway, he living with his wife.
They have a bad breakup. Here we go, oh no, oh, yes,
So they break up by the way she she was

(01:05:48):
doing when he was doing, you know, getting all this
weird stuff for his museum. It's all good, but the split,
I guess, was not amicable. So she tips off the
police that he's got buckets of body parts in his basement.
Oh no, okay, So and the way he had acquired

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them really is the problem. Okay, that's where the problem
comes in. Okay, the way he had acquired them because
basically they were sourced from a place where these bodies
were meant to be cremated, not resold. Okay, so what
happens is, of course that they start unraveling the case,

(01:06:31):
like where did you get these from? Because he was
sourcing them and sometimes he was reselling them. This is
how the whole thing blew up. And they realized that
one of the parts was the Harvard Medical School gift.
They have un a certain name for it, where people
give the things like that. It's one of those things

(01:06:51):
like when you start pulling on it's like, holy crap.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
And they found the the mortuary assistant or one of
the ones that the mortuary was same thing. She's selling
body parts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Oh my lord, and it will learn how much that happens.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
There was around I'll tell you what I want to
say that three years ago there's a medical company that
they lent out human heads for a show for display,
like a medical display. What you know, in other words,
that in and of itself is not against the law,
especially again if people like donate their bodies, you know,

(01:07:29):
in other words, it's not you know, they didn't right whatever,
you're this type of person that the driver parks. I
can't remember what park. I think it was in Denver, Colorado, somewhere.
He parks his truck for a minute because he's transporting
them back, like in other words, they lent them out
for some type of show or exhibition or something. Yeah,

(01:07:50):
and this driver's bringing these heads back, so he parks somewhere.
I can't remember where. Next thing, you know, somebody breaks
in takes I had along with a Dolly, and I'm
thinking about it, and this is the question. Somebody had
to know what was in that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Yeah, and knew exactly where he would be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Exactly exactly. That's my point. If you're going to break
into a truck and it has the name of the
company's real innocus, it's like medical something, but nothing that
that would lead you to believe. So in other words,
it had to it had to be somebody that really
knew what was in there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Okay, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
And they were saying, like the what do you gonna
call it? The there's like a roster of prices of
what different body parts? Wow, here, hold on, let me see.
I'm going to show you. And that's why when I

(01:08:54):
read some of these old stories of these people like
grave robbing, and you think, oh, that was like back then,
and I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
You know, no, it wasn't too long ago. That Noble
Georgia they had that guy, the more mortual mortician was
supposed to be burning the bodies and instead he was
stacking them up outside.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
That's another thing I found that that that's some and
I'm gonna go hold on, let me see if i can,
let me see, hold on, sure, let me see if
I can. Uh, I can find this this this cuckoo bird,
because he's a cuckoo bird to the earth degree. And

(01:09:44):
when I looked at him, it's like, you know, what, what?
Why am I not surprised that, oh, here he is.
This gentleman's name is Jerry Pauley. Okay, oh yeah, that's
the word for it. And he was the one that
he was one of those that the original thing with
the wife went south and then that's and he had

(01:10:04):
a I don't know if he still has it, a
museum called Memento Mori or something like that that supposedly
this is why he was collecting all these body parts.
And again people don't realize that in and of itself,
there's nothing wrong with it. It's just how did you
acquire it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
But usually when you say momento more, you're talking about
like hair from the dead that has been braided into
a necklace or you know, something like that that's on
the wall. Yes, think about arms and legs and heads.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
They were saying that they have a price list of
let's say, just ahead ahead with the spinal cord, the fingers,
the arms like that, there's a whole roster hearts, eyeballs, fingers, ribs.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
And then you look at that. And that's why I
was saying, can you imagine go into this guy's house,
I'd be like, never, never, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Yes, And this I'll tell you what. This dates back
to twenty twenty three. This was not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
And I think he I think he pled guilty, like
in federal because that once. I think it was because
since it was shipped and received like over like from
different state lines, then the federal government you know, gets
involved in was like traffic and human remains or something
like that. But I think I laughed when I started

(01:11:33):
reading the story that the whole origin was, you know,
a dispute after the good relationship break up is like
there you go, oh, yes, and then that's how they
led where did you get this from? And they find
out that that that Harvard guy was part of the
source of where they were getting the body parts from.
Can you imagine all these nice people or whatever, whatever

(01:11:55):
their intentions, they donate their bodies for medical purposes, and
little or the family there was saying the families were outraged.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Well, sure, because even though their family member donated the body,
they expected it to go exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
It's like to them, it's like, if it's for medical purposes,
it's not the secretion, but what you did, Like my aunts,
I don't want my ens pelvis to be your lampshade.
How's that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
And you know, you know there are etsya stores and
all kinds of stores popping up, like when they have
the oh what are those their flea market oddities markets?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yes, yes, yes they are.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
They actually have some real stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yes, yes, people think about that. That's and again it's
not as morbid as it seems. It's not illegal, it's
just where did you get that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Yeah? Yeah, you like the oddities markets, they'll have like
skulls of birds or you know, animals.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Yes, but no, they have a lot of human skulls
and yeah, they they people don't realize that even now
so many years later, human bodies but body parts and
let's not even go into the you know how they'll
use body parts from a dead human for like let's

(01:13:23):
say ligaments. Yeah, you know, and that by itself is
like that's another huge uh. You know. There was one
like a few years back, I want to say it was.
It was a multi million dollar company New Jersey or
something like that. They were basically faking permissions to use
reuse bodies like you know when you know how they

(01:13:45):
sell the different body parts, like the ligaments, like you
know people have like a knee replacement. Yeah, and it's
like yeah, man, some people to them, it's like the
persons that they don't need it anymore. Wow, can't I
make money off of it? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
People wonder why they've got problems in their house with haunting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
There you go, there you go. That's another thing that
sometimes you think, all these people that collect all this
stuff is like what in the world. I mean, I
wouldn't come within, like I wouldn't even go in your yard.
How can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Can you imagine being even a little bit aware that
your body is being separated and taken to all parts.
Can you imagine and.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Even if you say, okay, maybe there is not attachment
to everything, but just enough of it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Just enough to know that your pelvis went to Aunt
Mabel's and your head went over to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Or it's like it's like a you know, decoration of
somebody's coffee table. Yes, because that's what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
They took the top of your head off and you're
now a candy bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, candy dde. Yes, you've got gumballs in there. Yes.
And that's why I'm saying I know that some of
these people is like, holy crap. You know, the ViBe's
coming off of you and your ear it must be
like hair raising literally literally.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Okay, So do you think that if you walked into
one of these places? Don't you know that you would
you have to get some kind of feeling in the
pit of your stomach that you shouldn't be there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
I'd be like, man, that get me, where's the nearest exit.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
Yeah, I would be like that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
I would be like, no, no, no, no, no, I
am out here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah. I don't know why, but I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
Know why, but I'm out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
They talk about and and I'm going to say something
else besides the obvious, which is, you know, do you
have any spirit of this person there remains or whatever?
Do you remember? Do you imagine the dark entities that
followed this whole operation around.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Oh, fed off of it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
And yes, off, yes, because they do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Yes that that that that right there is like that
is talk about You're talking about non human, malevolent, very
dangerous entities that that that whole trade. And you know,
and PIP people say, don't be superstitious. I'm like, no,
I'm not being superstious. I'm telling you that is That's
the way it works.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
No, that's been real. That's what they feed off of.
And that's what they're going to get stronger with. And
the more they are around it, and the more that
that's being done, the more that creates. And it's all bad.

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
It's all very negative. So and that's why you know
what I tell everybody, you know, because I know, like
especially for ghost hunters, you know, you people end up
in the cemetery and I say, you know what, going
to the cemetery is okay, you know, as long as
of course you're not trespassing. Is nowadays, Once upon a
time people didn't care about. Nowadays they're more careful about
when they closing their gates, the trespassing aspect. I said,

(01:16:53):
do you know that there's a lot of people that
do very weird invocations or do stuff or leave stuff
there at cemeteries, And there's very dark entities there that
are not necessarily buried there, right, but just ended up
there because of who went into the cemetery to do
whatever it was that they're doing, even the steel stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, yeah, there's usually there's usually a guardian, Yes, there
is that. Usually the guardian isn't the bad person. Usually, these.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
I would say, I usually refer to them as sentinels
right now, this and this is my theory, this is
what I'm based Okay. Usually these sentinels are brought in
by the grieving process. They're don't they don't bother anybody,
they don't bother the you know, the people coming in

(01:17:47):
and going, and they're usually drawn to a certain level
of grieving, of grieving, you know, in a cemetery. They're
non human and they hang out. And that's how kind
of like what you said, what they feed off of
all right, now, if you start messing with their thing, yeah,

(01:18:08):
you're gonna get them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
That's when that's when they're in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
You're in trouble. You're in big trouble. All right, good
luck you think you can do on exorcism or one
of those deals. Good luck? Okay, is once of those
things clamp onto you. They're yours. It's all yours, baby,
it's all yours. People don't understand this is this is
a This is not a bargaining entity. This is not

(01:18:34):
like oh no, no, no. That's why they don't mess
with you. They're there because they feed off the grieving,
you know, of whatever is there. And sometimes they even
hang out around, you know, when when cemeteries get full,
you know, sometimes you'll still have families coming in and
stuff like that, but they still hang out. You know.
It's like I don't see you and you don't see me.

(01:18:55):
That's all good. You know, they're not going to mess
with you, right, But unless you're unless you start doing
something you shouldn't. By the way, desecration of graves is
one of them. They become sentinels, not because they were really,
but they're just hanging out because of what goes on
inside the cemetery. Yeah, but I've heard people that. That's

(01:19:18):
why sometimes these what they when they go to cemeteries,
they come out with stuff that is like, man, what
were you doing there? No, I was just visiting. I
was like really really sure you were just hanging out,
like trying to do a Wiji board thing?

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Yeah, And then there's no guardians like you say that.
There's sometimes there's guardians that people place there. And then
you'll have the regular old ghost to the dead persons
like why you know, I'm having this great conversation with
this guy?

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Next one of the little oak imagines, one of the
little old you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Run here all the time with cameras and it's like,
here comes another one my graveyard.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Get out. Yeah, yeah there at one point, wasn't there
at one point? And I don't know if this was
eighteen hundreds or before, but a black dog was usually
buried in or around Yes, that was as a sentinel.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Yes, yes, it was like yeah, just the same as
you know. Have you heard that they would bury people
in the foundations of buildings or houses or bridges as
a guardian the same thing they would they would which
is you know where a lot of these stories you
know about the black shock and the black dog and
the black this and the black that. I think that's
part of the origins of it, where the the idea

(01:20:44):
or the intention was to keep it there as a guardian,
right right, all right, from desecration from somebody doing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Something that shouldn't, Yeah, from anybody trying to do something
they shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yes, people don't realize that. Beside it's the medical aspect.
Human body parts are used for a lot of occult things,
a lot more than people realize. Besides graveyard dirt, real
graveyard dirt. You know that she used a lot of
hoodoo and conjure and root work. Real. This is a

(01:21:18):
story one of my son's ex girlfriends. This was a
long time ago. He's already married and this was a
while back. She's young. They had rented a house across
the street from this very old cemetery in Miami. All right,
let's put it this. It was so old that the
fence around it was like three feet high, you know,
like built, you know, of stone, like it was like

(01:21:39):
very old. It's in the middle probably I don't know
how far, but probably was built. It was way out nowhere.
By the time she was there. It was in the
middle of the city kind of deal. It was very big,
so and I've been there. The back of the cemetery
had a little road and then the houses were right here,
old Miami homes. So she moves there with her friend

(01:22:00):
family four sisters. Her dad was a truck driver, so
he would be gone like a long time. Who lived
with their mom, her maternal grandparents, her and her three
She was the oldest of the four daughters, right, and
they all stayed in the same room. So she says,
every once in a while, we would hear weird stuff
going on in the closet, like noises and stuff like that,

(01:22:24):
or the closet door would open by itself. And they
were already getting creepy feelings already, she says. One night,
she says, the hallway to their bedroom had I guess
like windows, and she says, the one time she hears
like a noise like coming like from outside, like the hallway, right,
but she says, their mom left the door, would always

(01:22:46):
leave the door open to their bedroom. She says, she's looking,
and she says she sees something crawling along the floor
down the hallway coming.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
To their room.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
But it's very low to the ground, and she says
she for a minute there, she says, she looked. She goes,
I was even thinking, was that my dad coming back
from a trip, like playing a you know, but she
kind of makes like a human face kind of out.
But you know, when you're a kid, you're just and
she's thinking, is this is this my dad trying to
like play a trick on us, Like he's crawling along

(01:23:17):
the floor, trying to play with.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
Us, trying to scare us, trying to scare us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
You know, And he came back from one of his trips.
And she says, as this thing is coming along, she's
you know, there's a little bit of ambient light coming
in from the window in the hallway. That's how she's
kind of able to see a little bit of it.
She says, that it's crawling along. She realizes that it's
a human body, kind of skeletal, but it's like got
the inverted elbows and kneecaps. That's why the body is

(01:23:48):
very low to the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Woo.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
But it's crawling along the hallway, you know, coming closer
and closer to their room. And she says, all of
a sudden, she just like yells like ah, you know,
of course everybody, her grandparents, her mom, everybody comes running
and of course, like everything, it disappeared, you know. And
she says that they didn't stay there long. I had
something happened that they not too long after that. But

(01:24:12):
and I told her, I remember her name is Julie.
I said, you know what, I bet you anything that
had to do something with that cemetery that was basically
you crossed the street and it was right there. Because
that was such a weird and like, yeah, to see
she says, She goes, I remember I woke up and
my sister's all asleep, and I kept looking at it.
She said, that's getting closer. She's kind of seeing more details.

(01:24:37):
And then she says that when she realized, like what,
it's like a human kind of she said, it was
very like drying out like human, but like skeletal, and
it's crawling basically along the floor. Be like, oh man,
and I'm thinking that has to have done something that
I'm positive that had to do something with that cemetery

(01:24:57):
that was right there.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Somebody disturbed something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Something, yes, yeah, and it just went over there. And
I was like, man, that's one of those stories you'll
never forget. It was like yeah, So sometimes cemeteries are
weird places. You know, once upon a time when there
were parks and everybody would just hang out and do
you know those older ones, but still some of those
other ones that even now, it's like when I tell

(01:25:22):
everybody going semments, I said, you gotta be a little
bit careful when you go there. Besides, you might run into.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
People the way that one showed up if it was
not human.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
No, I'm thinking it might not even have been human.
It might have looked like it was human, and it
might not have been human. Who knows. Who knows what
the origins on that was. And I was like, I'm
glad your parents or whatever moved away from it was
it was like a rental. And I think later on
she told me that I think it was either her
mom or grandfather. Somebody had talked to one of the

(01:25:54):
neighbors and it's like, this is an old part of Miami,
so the houses they were older, and somebody said, oh yeah,
no oh, And it's one of those where you could
tell that the road had one time, I've been real narrow,
because when they expanded it, the road is like right
next to the wall of the house, so you could
tell that when it was built, everything was real narrow,
and I think she had told me that somebody has said,
oh yeah, that place that there's always people coming and

(01:26:14):
going on that rental all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
That house, Yeah they can handle it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Then yeah, it makes you believe that, yeah, there's stuff
that's going on that people. It's not the you know,
whoever is getting a preview. And I would say, yeah,
I'd run out pulling my hair out if I saw
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Like what the no, and whatever it is is staying there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Oh yes it's there, Yes, yes, absolutely absolutely. And I
say sometimes you know, some of these cemeteries, especially when
at the very beginning, sometimes, for all you know, before
they actually put up that stone fence, they might have
even had graves that extended out further. Yeah, that might

(01:26:54):
have even been under that they built the houses on.
It was like, okay, you know that cemetery went up
to there. Okay, well I don't care. We're just going
to put the fence here and say this is where
it ended, and nobody will know because they need to
build these houses here.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
I mean, well, think our whole country. Yeah, we're probably
built over yes graves.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Yes, I believe it I think that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Well. You know, there's always you know, in the cities
and as they grow in, do you always have the
official cemetery, But even where I live at you have
a lot of family or little community cemeteries.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
And then let's say we're talking older times. People move away,
they forget and back then most of the times the
markets that would put would be made of wood. Not
all the time, but sometimes disintegrates and it's gone. And
like you said, nobody knows that. Oh yeah, back there
there was a cemetery, there was a little family cemetery,
or there was a little town that was out there

(01:27:54):
and there, you know whatever, or.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
A dam is made and yes, have you heard of that? Yeah,
lot of times. I know when they did the one
close to here, they tried to relocate as many as
they could, and the families that reached out to them,
they move them. But others that didn't reach out, or

(01:28:16):
their families maybe had passed on, you know, their their
white lineage was over there. Those were left.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
And there's noboddy if there's no that. That's why they
say that even in these bigger, bigger cities that they've
you know that basically the city grows so much or
they have so many dead that they realized, hey, we
need to move it, or that lant is valuable now
we want to build on it. Yeah, they said, people
don't realize the city management. They're pragmatic. They're like, yeah,

(01:28:49):
you know, we need to show that we're moving these graves.
But hey, don't worry about it. Just yeah, get them
out of here, get them out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
And which is terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
There's a story from one of Mark's Chattanooga Chills books
talking about when they first started working on the downtown
Chattanooga area where pretty much where the aquarium is now
in Chattanooga. Okay, but they bulldozed Native American graves into.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
The river there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
They just well not bulldoze because they didn't have moss
back then, just pushed these Native American graves into the
river and then wondered.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Why something's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
There was always a leak somewhere or.

Speaker 1 (01:29:36):
In the aquarium, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
Or you know outside in a specific place. Yes, oh,
water damage, Why well you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Did it exactly? Well, there was one this I want
to say, was this twenty fifteen, fourteenth or all that time.
The San Francisco of course, you know. They they had
their minitaries, and they had that same thing where they
had put the cemetery originally in the San Francisco exploded
and then they moved them out. By the bottom line,

(01:30:09):
there's a couple or a family. I'm sorry they owned
this house and was it a pool? No, I take
that back. They're doing something in their garage, something that
required the concrete breaking. So they take they take the
moment to like we're gonna take like a little family trip,
like let these workmen do their work. They got a

(01:30:31):
call they found a child in a one of these
lead coffins, sealed tight, so saying it was air tight.
They had put like a little glass, you know, in
front of her, and she was sealed in their air
tight she was she looked like she was a sleeping
she was sleeping. The blonde, the curls, everything she even

(01:30:53):
had like a little they had put like a little necklace.
I can't remember what flowers they were. They had put
everything like she was perfectly preserved. Yeah, and they were
saying that that because of the way she could tell
that the first of all, that you needed money to
have that kind of casket. Yes, and also the way

(01:31:13):
she was dressed. They could sell this family they had,
they had some type of money. This wasn't they were
talking about how supposedly all these graves that were moved
were a bit moved. What they found was the once
they opened it, disintegration started immediately. So finally they buried
her with unidentified because they couldn't. And finally these genealogists

(01:31:38):
and they took the old map of the cemetery and
they finally were able to track down the family who
she belonged to, and they found a great great grand
nephew or somebody that still lived out in California, and
they gave her like a headstone, and it was really nice.
And apparently she had there was a disease called not

(01:32:01):
arasped something like that that it was like a wasting
disease that children got where even if they ate, they
wouldn't get nourished. So basically she just wasted away. But
if you see the pictures of this little girl inside
the coffin, she looks like she's sleeping. She was like
a doll. But the point that they were making was
that you know the Poltergeist movie, like you didn't move

(01:32:21):
the bodies. Yeah, that happened a lot more than people think,
you know, as far as it still does that it
cost the money. It would cost the money to move
all those graves.

Speaker 2 (01:32:35):
Yes, yeah, that reminds me of there's a story about
a little boy over in Europe that his parents were
devastated that he died young. Well, his sisters ganged up
on him and pretty much killed him. So they were
jealous of him, and so the parents devastated. I want

(01:32:59):
to say his his last name is long Key, long
Key or something like that, but it's in Mark's doll book,
the book he wrote Darkest Corners.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Yes, I know which one you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
Okay, this little boy, they were so devastated that they
had him preserved and put into a glass casket, dressed
and make up the whole bit so that they could
see him every night.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Did they know that they're how he died.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
They I think they found out.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
That's horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
Let me tell you, yeah, that it was over jealousy
of their little brother.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
I'd be like looking at my kids like children of
the corn right that you are.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
This was This was back sixteen or seventeen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
So that's pretty like the.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
Dark Yes, and and they were they were nobility.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Right, but yeah, it's still end. Well, you know what
if he was the only male heir, they were the females,
they must have been like back back then. I you know,
people don't realize that this thing of primogeniture, which is
you know, that insistence of that the male heir is
that they didn't want to break up their properties. In
other words, that you would say, if they had let's
say three sons, why didn't they just divvy up and

(01:34:25):
say I'll give this to you and you and you.
And it was because back then land meant so much
that they didn't want to divide it up. So that's
why they had that thing with first born. I had
to get everything right. And if you were second and
third in line, it's like, well, I guess she'll be well,
you know, you'll be a soldier and you'll go for
the church, you know, or one of those.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
Deals because they were married off.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Or yeah, and the girls of course. But that was
why the big deal because you always think of it like, man,
well I didn't just divvy it up amongst your sons
if that was the thing. No, because the thing was
to preserve and if you could add land even more so. Yeah,
that was like a big, big deal. So yeah, if
you got rid of that boy, then no wonder. And
have you seen those victory And I think I think

(01:35:07):
worked it in this book, you know the Victorian, that
thing where they would take the pictures of the people
and that had died and the children.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
Most worn them photography. Yes, yes, I actually and I
cannot find it anymore. But when I was little, I
found in my grandmother's storage area and she was she
was still with us, we were actually living in her house. Okay,
So I found this old, old, old, old photo album

(01:35:37):
and there were a couple of pictures of babies that
had died. Yes, and I had never seen that. You know,
it's like for a kid to see, oh my goodness,
you took a picture of a dead baby, right, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:54):
And people don't realize that back then. It's not like
now we have photographs, especially if it's a child.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
And that was probably the only the.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Only picture that you would have of them. Yeah, yes,
when you see that, to us, it's morbid. But it's
you know, same thing as you know, you hear about
these people, Oh somebody so and so died, I go,
you know, once upon a time that that was the norm.
People would die at home, you know. Yeah, people would
died home if you had a disease or if you
were old. You it wasn't like you're going to the hospital.

(01:36:26):
Your died at home. And I remember doctors will make
house visits, you know that, right, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
I remember, yeah, no, that's to remember those.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
But but that's the thing, you know, everybody thinks, oh, well,
how that that's weird. Somebody died in a house. I said.
You know what, people, especially if they had a disease
or they were you know, they had something, and the
doctors would come to see you at home, right right,
and you still, you know, you have family would care
for you. You passed away at home.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
And it was not That's one of the things that
a lot of the older people asked for, Just let
me just take me home to die. Yes, let me
go home in my bed. I want to die there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Well, the equivalent of you know how somebody they're ill,
you know, the hospitals say, look, we can't do you
got to put them in hospice. This person. Sometimes people
would linger a year, two years, depending on what was
wrong with her. Yes, they would die at home and
it wasn't how I gonna say, We look at it
with our modern day sensibility and.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
We're like, right, but back.

Speaker 1 (01:37:23):
Then, just like people used to have babies.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
At home exactly. And did you know Mark's mother hung
on to die? Did you know that's no?

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
No, no no.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Oh. Well Mark's mother was very ill and she had
just been given given like three days to live. They said,
get everybody in here to say goodbye to her, and
Mark could not get or they could not get one
of his brothers, okay, and the nephews. Now, the nephews

(01:38:01):
were mentally disabled and so they were scared of things
like that. Yeah, very very touchy. Well, his brother was
also didn't want anything to do around death, couldn't go

(01:38:21):
talk to her nothing. So then she was hanging on
for about three weeks and the nurse asked Mark, is
there anybody she could be waiting on and he said, yeah,
I can think of a couple, and she said, get
him on the phone, and so he called his brother

(01:38:42):
and said, look, just I'm going to hold the phone
next to mom's ear. You just talk, just tell her
you love her, and that's all you have to do.
You don't have to come. So he did that. Well,
they called Mark's nephews, had them do the same thing,
and they spoke to their great aunt or I think

(01:39:07):
that's how it was. But anyway, they spoke to her,
told them that they loved her, and it was not
very long after that that she took her last breath.

Speaker 1 (01:39:17):
That was going on and then you hear the reverse.
You hear about people that the person kind of waits
everybody goes to lunch, for a bath or something like
oh okay, and then they did pass away like they like,
m yeah, it's like okay, oh thank god, you let

(01:39:38):
me just I'm gonna go because I don't want to
hear you all.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
It's like you know, when a cast dog gets six,
they try to.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Hide, they go up by themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Yes, yes, and that's a very real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
Yes. With humans, sometimes it's the opposite. They want to
be alone and then it's like and sometimes I think
it's like everybody that's important is there and it's like,
you know what, their hand on their and they're just like, okay,
you know what, go home and want to go home.
I'm going to take that opportunity to get out of here.
And by the way that you also hear now that

(01:40:10):
you were talking about hospitals. You know, there's some great
ghost stories about people that work at hospitals, especially either
in collegey or where they have the you know, the
older patients or people they You hear these stories about
these nurses, especially the ones like the overnight shifts right
where they have shadows or there's a certain room, or

(01:40:32):
they'll say, oh, we see certain things and like we
know that that patient is the one the next that's
going to be like bye bye, even though yeah, the
prognosis is not like they're on death's door.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
But I've heard a couple of nurses say that they
have seen the death angel or the death. I've also
one of my friends, he's a couple of years older
than me. He was a nurse for years and years
and years, and he actually worked at the old hospital.
He was enough to see you one night, and one

(01:41:04):
of their patients was an old, little old man and
he was very ill. He wasn't expected to make it
very much longer. His wife was being cared at at home,
and one night David heard him speaking and he went
over and I'll just call him mister Smith. So Smith,

(01:41:26):
what's wrong? He and he said, I'm just trying to
get my wife to just come sit down. She's standing.
I want her to sit down on the bed and
talk to me. And David said, well, she's there's nobody
here right now. He said, well she's right there, honey,
come here, sit down, sit down on the bed, and
just talk to me. So David just left him just

(01:41:47):
to be alone in his thoughts and dream and vision
whatever he was seeing. And they called and let them
know about the time and he seeing his wife. She died.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
Okay, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
She died at home. She had come to visit to
tell him, wow, she was going, she'd way home. He
died very soon after that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:17):
Yes, and then most people think there was another one
time I was doing I did a I was conducting
the tour, so you know, people come and tell you stories.
There's just one guy comes up to me. He said,
nurse or CNA. I can't remember what hospital it was,
but it was like the overnight thing. So he says,
you know, usually at night it's real quiet, you know,

(01:42:37):
you know, you do your rounds, but everybody's quiet. And
I want to say it was either older people. I
can't remember what the setting was, but it was just
and he says, we're like, it's just the staff is
not that much, but they're like around the nursing station.
She says, all of a sudden, we hear this scream

(01:42:57):
that we're like, what in the world for you? Since
first of all the patients were like older, plus they
were like all tucked in. Yeah, And he said he
was like the only guy. He was a nerve, but
he was the only guy. And they had like and
they said that they looked at each other and he's like,
you know, I guess it had you know, one of
those you things like where you go like this, and
then there's the stations over I'm not going by myself.

(01:43:21):
They're looking at him like like he said, yeah, and
he's like, no, I'm not going. And he says that
he you know, he's like, okay, what if you just
got to come? What if you stay here at the station?
And when have you come with me?

Speaker 2 (01:43:32):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
You know, like and he's like and he says they
went room to room to room to room to room.
There's nothing they couldn't find it. And they said that
it was like a scream, like there was no mistaking it.
It was like it came from the outside. Plus it
was like on a third or fourth floor, you know, like, man,
if something travels that far up and he says that
the rest of the night, if they had to go
do their rounds, like I'm not going to come with me.

(01:43:56):
They took one of the other and they took a
while for them to get away from them. They could
never explain what the origins of that was, but it
was like, n not going by myself. I don't care. Yeah,
I'm the guy, but I'm not going by myself.

Speaker 2 (01:44:09):
I have a couple of hospice stories in my first
Signs book. Okay, it's from my friend Katie. Her mother
was a hospice nurse around the Houston area, and so
she wrote. One night she was working with her supervisor
and it was just the two of them and one

(01:44:33):
of the call bells started going off and it was
the empty room. She knew it was an empty room,
and so she got up and thought what in the world,
and went back, turned the light off, came back and
sat down, and then within five minutes or so, it
started going off again. So she goes up, she goes back,

(01:44:54):
something is wrong with this bell. So she called and
she said, maintenance needs to be made up where that
this call light keeps going off in room so and so,
and her supervisor said what room, and she said the
number again she said okay. She said, well, next time
it happens, just walk down the hall, put your hands

(01:45:16):
on your hips and say go to bed. Oh, and
so she did. It went off again, and she went
down the hall. It was about two in the morning,
and she put her hands on her hip. She said,
go to bed. It's two in the morning. Go to sleep.
And she went back up. And then she called and

(01:45:38):
she said, what why did you tell me to say that?
She said, we had a little eight year old girl
pass away not too terribly long ago, and occasionally she
comes back to visit, but she always liked to play
with her call light. God, so that happened. Another one

(01:45:58):
from her mother was one night they had it was
a It was an ICU and they actually even had
a baby that was not expected to make it right.
So uh, it was pretty much a full unit at
this point, and the baby was closer to the nurses station. Well,

(01:46:21):
they heard, uh, and all all of these patients are
either comatose by drug inducement, you know, to keep them
from pulling out anything. Or they are just medically in
a coma for whatever reason and just waiting there pretty

(01:46:43):
much been waiting for these patients to be as comfortable
as possible until they pass on. That's what they do.
And so one night they heard this strange noise and
somebody started to screaming, and it was one of their patients.
And they went down and the nurse, the nurse aid

(01:47:06):
called and said, I need help. Mister so and so's
climbing out of his bed. Right, there's no way mister
so and so can climb out of his bed, he's
in a coma. Well, she got down there, mister so
and so was trying to climb out of the bed.
So they calmed him down, got all the tubes and
everything put back in. He's out immediately. The next rooms

(01:47:28):
it starts the same thing. They go fix him, and
each time the nurse is like going up to check
on their medication. Maybe they need something else to calm down.
Let me look in their charcoal. By the time she
comes back, they're out again. Okay, it goes, goes and

(01:47:50):
goes and goes. About three of these people happened. Finally
the nurse realizes something's going through these people and the
baby's neck. And so she goes and stands in front
of the baby's room and says, no, whatever you are,
you leave this baby alone. And she said she felt

(01:48:12):
the coldest thing rushed through her body and passed her,
and then everything got quiet again in the hall. She
called down and she said, I don't know what just happened,

(01:48:32):
but three of our comatose patients came awake, one after
the other, and they were crawling out of the bed.
They ripped all of their tubes out they had. They
were coming unglued and getting up and out of their bed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Wow, that's and then that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
The nurse said, Well, let me tell you what happened
just a few minutes before, so maybe this is what
it was. We had a gentleman in the emergency room.
He was in a horrible, horrible situation. He was dying.

(01:49:17):
There was nothing we could do for him, and he
was in excruciating pain and he died. Right before he died,
he let out a yell and they said it was
just like a blast. They just felt a blast. That's
the only thing we can think of. He came up

(01:49:41):
and threw the people before he was about to go
through that baby and the nurse stopped him and then
while he was gone.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
That's very possible. I've heard of that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
That's terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
Yes, I think, especially when somebody that last moment, whether
it's the pain or the unwillingness, who knows, and he's
just trying to find there was one where same thing.
These are older patients, and I say, the overnight is
I want to say, because when things are more quiet
and there's running around and there's a nurse and she

(01:50:16):
I think it was only two of them, and they
have a room where they have two older ladies. One
of them does the buzzard and she says, usually these
patients when they're in bed. That said, they're in bed.
So she goes over there and she's awake and she's
like the man, there's a man. There's a man. And
she's like looking around and she's like thinking, okay, you know,
sometimes they'll say they'll see things. She's like, no, there's

(01:50:38):
nobody here, don't worry about it, blah blah blah. Just
go back to sleep, go back to sleep. Goes back.
A few minutes later, the buzzard of the lady next
to her, she said, by the way, her name, but
at that time was still sleeping. Goes off. So she
walks in there and this lady's saying, oh my god,
that man. Get rid of that man. That man. And
she's like, wow, okay, maybe this one heard the other
one talking about the man, and she's not big up

(01:51:00):
on the man, right, And then she's like, oh, there's
there's nobody here, and then the other one says, yeah,
he went. He's in the bathroom. And she says that
all of a sudden she hears like something moving or
somebody like somebody's in the bathroom. And she's thinking, holy crap,
somebody got a peer, came into their room and they're
in there, and they went they went into the bathroom

(01:51:21):
when they heard me coming. So she called security like,
I need you up here, like yesterday, I think I
have an intruder in here. So sure enough, security guard
goes up there and she says she she goes, I
heard like movement inside that bathroom. So she's like, look,
they're telling me, I don't know. It might be a man.
I don't know. So the security guard is ready, they
opened the door. Nobody in the bathroom. Nothing. She was like,

(01:51:48):
she goes, I know that there was. The movement was
not like, oh, like a little noise that was. It
sounded like there was somebody in the bathroom and there
they were. And of course she didn't take them out
their word because she's thinking they're seeing things. Sure, you know,
owsing the man, the man, the man, And then again
you ask yourself, maybe shoot, there was no way for
her to know. Was it one of those scenarios that

(01:52:09):
you just talked about, or maybe a floor below more
than the er, somebody had come in that was walking
around that was like I'm not ready to go where
I'm going to hang out here or things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:23):
Well, yeah, you also have peaceful ones too. Those because
the same lady sent me this one. She at this
point in time, had to give tours of her facility.
So they were moving a family wanted to move their
loved one in for his last few weeks, and so

(01:52:45):
they were giving this woman was giving the tour to
this lady, which ended up being the patient's daughter, and
so she was taking her all over and there were
three floors, and so they would start and she would
go through and oh, this is where we do laundry,
so you can you can do your loved one's laundry,

(01:53:07):
or you can have us do it whatever, does it
matter either way, whatever's easier. And this is where we
do our meals. If you would rather them have something else,
you can bring something, or we can have something special
made if we've got it, you know, just being really
really sweet and showing her the whole facility. And she

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was going up back to the third floor where her
office was, and right as she got almost to the top,
she felt something okay come through the door and her footsteps,

(01:53:52):
and she actually moved out of the way because she
had heard it, and she looked to see if the
woman with her had heard it, but she was still
talking like she was just had no clue if anything
else going on. But whoever this was, walked down the steps,

(01:54:13):
past them, down the second level, down to the first level.
Before she got to the door and opened it, she
heard the base the first floor door open and close.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:54:26):
And so she goes in, goes back to her office,
finishes the tour with the lady tells her if you
have any other questions, la da da da da, and
we'll see you when we see you, and ended the tour.
The lady left. She goes to her friend in the

(01:54:47):
next office and said, I just had the weirdest thing happen.
And it was as we were coming up from the tour.
I heard the door and something came through it, and
I heard footsteps, and they said, mister Jones just died. Oh,

(01:55:12):
and it was right by the stairwell.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
Right he was leaving. He was leaving. It's surprising because
she's a tune to it and she hears it. But
this other lady has no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
You have no idea, nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
Like yeah, which I think sometimes when you work in
that settings for a while, you kind of like tune
into those things.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
I think you kind of have to. It's either okay,
I'm gonna have to ignore all of these noises I'm hearing,
or I'm going to acknowledge them and just know that
they are around.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
There's a there's a Leah. I'm not going to use
her name because she she now she works as a
medical intuitive, but she her whole life she was a doctor.
And she says the story how when one time she
was doing her residency somewhere either New York, Boston, one
of these big hospitals. Right, she says, you know what

(01:56:11):
she says, there's always two or three nurses that she
would say she was they're usually she goes, they're a
little bit overweight there, this she described, and she goes,
and god, they knew, she goes, I would you know,
they would she would do like the equivalent of doing
the rounds on these patients. And she says, they would
know who's gonna die. She says they knew it whenever,

(01:56:33):
or they would call up to them and they go, hey,
you know, mister so and so or whoever, you need
to keep an eye on him or something. She says,
at the beginning, she didn't pay attention to it. She
was like she after a while, they knew it, she goes,
because they would call it on patients that there was
nothing that they were imminently sick or that they were
about to pass on or anything, and they would say

(01:56:53):
there was there was some a couple of these nurses
that were so in tune that even despite it because
in other words, if they expected to die, it's like, oh, no,
big guests, So you already know that that patient's going
to be dying. Yeah, they would they would give me
these heads up about the patient that was going to
be done. And she says, and normally within twenty four
forty eight hours the most that person would pass on.

(01:57:17):
And he says that they were like a deathometer. Yeah, yes,
and she goes after she goes. I learned that she goes.
I learned that when I was doing my residency that
they there's something that they catch on, whether I don't
know what that even the person themselves lives is not

(01:57:38):
expecting that they're going to die, but there's something that
goes on, maybe in a metaphysical plane, that there's this
what you want to call it the angel death or
something's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
Yes, my friend Debby out in Washington Stay. I actually
got to work with her for a summer, and I'm
trained as a physical therapy assistant. Okay, I went out
and I was working with patients in her facility, and
Debbie told me a story about when she had first
started nursing in that facility and she had a little

(01:58:12):
lady at the end of the hall, sweet little lady.
Everything was fine. She heard her talking one night, and
so she kind of stood outside her door and listened
to her, and she was saying things like, oh yes, oh,
that'll be fun, Oh okay, oh, I can't wait. That's
gonna be so funny. It'll be good to see her,

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you know, different things like that. So she came in
and she said, who are you talking to? And she said,
my mama. This was a little old lady and her
mother had been dead several years. So she said, oh, okay, okay,
well you I'm gonna take your vital signs and then

(01:58:54):
I'll let you continue having your chat with your mom.
And she said okay, And so she took her vital
Everything was in normal limits. There was nothing. Her oxygen
was fine, her blood pressure was fine, her pulse was
fine and strong, her breath was strong and even, and

(01:59:15):
nothing was out of place. And she said, okay, everything
looks good. I'll come to check on you in an hour.
And she said okay, left the room, came back and
did her rounds. An hour later, that little lady was dead.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
Wow, see what I mean? What cool? And here she's
talking to her mom. Yes, and again and you have
your thinking. There's nothing here that's like thinking and indicator
like wick.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
And nothing was wrong. There was not racing of the heart.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
There was something that that's yeah, I'm telling you that
sometimes things like that and I remember what there was
this this story and I can't remember what hospital it was,
and there said it was like a bigger hospital where
they had multiple beds, but they said there was this
one room that they said that they would never use.
In other words, they would only use that room when

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they had they had no other choice all the beds
were filled, and then they would use that one room.
And normally it was because they had a high frequency
of death and because weird stuff would happen there and
it was like the room like don't put like all
the nurses like, don't put anybody in there because I
don't want to go in there to see the patient.
But sometimes they were forced to because they had to

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run out of beds and it was like the room.
And then you think, okay, what's going on.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
Like that room?

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Why is that the room exactly? So that's that's I
think that's super interesting as far as like getting back
to what you were talking about, and even all these
older hospital like even in Gettysburg and all these places
where I mean talk about you know, during wartime or
things like that. Yes, yes, I've been to Gettysburg a

(02:00:58):
couple of times, and yes, yeah, the best time though,
it's difficult. Is usually to go when there's there's always
a lot of people in Getty's work. But I know
that a lot of people go, like in the summer
around the anniversary of the battle itself. But there's other
times that you go in, especially if it's quieter and
you go stand out there and it's like, wow, I

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tell everybody, you know that for all the bodies they
recovered and buried, do you know that there's a lot
of them that where they lays, where they lay, they're there.
They did not get especially in the Confederacy, because the
Unions picked up they're dead, and but a lot of
the Confederates that they just like nobody went up there
to pick up the bodies.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
No, no, so there would be no headstone, no, you know, nothing.
They were lucky to have any kind of identification on them.
From what I understood, Yes, so you just didn't know
who was lying there.

Speaker 1 (02:01:55):
Well. Sometimes even depending on the say, the degree of wounding,
if you were struck by a cannon ball, sometimes you
couldn't even be identified by somebody looking at you. That
somebody could say, you know, companions say I saw so
and so go down, or you know, in other words,
there was nothing to ever to tell your family. But

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they you know, the winners, you know, the North, it's
going to pick up their dead. So and I imagine,
remember I tell everybody, you know how fast the body
the centigrates in the middle of.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
The sum right in a wool suit and a wool suit.

Speaker 1 (02:02:34):
Yeah, know that was because it was July, I believe
is when that battle was fought.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
And you know it was bad, and it was bad.

Speaker 1 (02:02:40):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
Of course several homes around the South that were used
as hospitals too. Writ and there's a couple over in
Franklin that are known to have had the unfortunate privilege

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of doing imputations.

Speaker 1 (02:03:05):
On soldiers unfortunately, that's yes.

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
And so there were so many done outside this one
particular house that they said at one point during the
war that parts of bodies were stacked up to that
second whore window.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
God almighty, that's horrible. That's horrible. But yeah, they they
had to do what they call, I guess equivalent to
field hospitals. It's like you said, they would take over
somebody's house, like because we have you know, we need
to do a surgery here, and.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
This is the table. Yes, that's where we're going to
do it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Yes, that yeah, and some of them you know, and
that's that's unfortunately, that's war. But yeah, back you listen
to some of these stories and they were saying that
some of the just I don't know, I hear, I
hear two versions. I hear that sometimes they did unnecessary amputations.
But then the other side of it is that sometimes

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because of the type of wounding that there was, the
shrapnel and the like, if they if they had a
chance to survive, it was only through amputation.

Speaker 2 (02:04:16):
Right right, So and no anesthesia, no anesthesia. So hand
them either a piece of wood or a way.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
On and that's it. Yes, Yes, that's that's good. I
can imagine some of those. That's why you see people
sometimes go out and they have those battlefield reenactments and
things like that, you know, not the well, not the
but the not the reenactors, but that they'll go someplace
and sometimes they'll hear like the sound of the like
a war going on, yes, like the shooting or even

(02:04:50):
cannons or the yells, and they'll be like what no,
and it's like you you know, it's there's famous battles
that get names, but you know, there's a lot of
skirmishes that would happen everywhere that they never really made
the history book, but they.

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Happened exactly and around here there, well around any river.
There were some kind of settlements. Yes, of course, so
you that's why you find arrowheads and even arrow you know,

(02:05:29):
shards or whatever, but bullets, cannonballs, anything like that. We
had one investigation just over the line in Alabama and
her haunting was caused by picking up arrowheads and different

(02:05:50):
things from her property and inde property, her property. She
brought them inside and I mean she had a collection.
Walt on my team is the one that actually noticed it.
I had never even thought about that at this point,
even though I've lived here all my life. My brother
collected arrowheads. You know, I didn't even think about this.

(02:06:13):
I just saw her rock collection with arrowheads in it,
and he asked her. He said, where did you get these?
And she said, just out walking around on my property.
And he said, did you leave anything when you took them?
And she said, what do you mean? He said, did

(02:06:34):
you leave something once you picked one up? She said, no,
I just brought that in. He said, okay, that's one
reason you have problems. You took from the Native Americans
without giving them a gift. Right in exchange, you have
to give a gift to them to stop your haunting.

Speaker 1 (02:06:55):
And what was she doing? What was experience? What was
going on in her house?

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
She was having She was seeing people show up. She
was having lots of footsteps, like banging around. Things were
coming in and out of the house. She would hear doors,
she would hear just lots of grumbling. They actually saw
a couple of apparitions.

Speaker 1 (02:07:19):
I was gonna ask you was this shadow people or
was it both? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Yeah, so you know she ended up doing He told her,
he said, you need to go out and make like
a little alter sacrifice, not a sacrifice, but.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
Give something back like an offer them.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):
Make sure that you tell them that's what this is
for and that you're sorry. You would never have taken
anything without doing something like this if you had known.
So you want to make it right. This is how
you do it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
And did it work?

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
It did?

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
Ah? There you go, it did that great. Yeah. Sometimes
people don't.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
Realize no, And that was my first experience with that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
I mean you just think, oh, and it's there on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (02:08:09):
Yeah. Yeah, you just find a pretty stone and you
pick it up and take it home.

Speaker 1 (02:08:13):
Yes, yes, oh you know you hear about all these
what is it that? What's that ghost town? Is it
Nevada or California? Uh? Something with a bee? Something that
every day they have anybody that takes anything from there,
even if it's a piece of rock, they have bad
luck and they end up returning it. Oh my god,
was the bee the bell Witch Cave? No, No, this

(02:08:35):
is a ghost town. It wasn't It was like like
an old gold mining town. Oh yeah, you know when
once these mines they peter out, then the town goes
belly up. It starts with a bee. It'll come to
me it's either Nevada or in California, Bill, Marlene, I
know somebody's going it's that body, body, body, and it's

(02:09:01):
got this reputation where people have taken not even anything
of value per se, because now it's people. Can you
can go there and visit It's that they even have
it where they have park rangers there. Now it's like
a you know, a park where they've taken a stone,
like you said, a pretty stone, and the interview like
the park ranger. Somebody are caretakers because we get stuff
in the mail bag all the time, like, hey man,

(02:09:23):
after I took this, my luck went from back to
its Just please put it back wherever.

Speaker 2 (02:09:29):
You've heard of the bell which, of course.

Speaker 1 (02:09:31):
Yes I have that that's a scary haunting, by the.

Speaker 2 (02:09:33):
Way she she This actually is in Tennessee, so Adam
is not very far from me. But that actually has
taken place there too. There is a case where they
have people. Oh yes, so there's Indian burial ground. Okay,
it happened that the Bells lived in is no longer there,

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but the replica, you know, built where the Indian burial
grounds are. There's a cave underneath it. People rocks out
of the cave and it wasn't long before they would
mail them back.

Speaker 1 (02:10:17):
That's the thing I'm telling you that other have they
ever because there was so many theories, have they ever
come to some conclusion what was the Belwich? You know,
because they were saying it was I think it was
a lady that lived there, But.

Speaker 2 (02:10:30):
That was the big story for the longest that it
was Kate.

Speaker 1 (02:10:34):
Bats Yes, okay, okay, And there was.

Speaker 2 (02:10:37):
A land dispute. But I think they've come to realize
it's more that the Native American ground was disturbed, I
see okay, and so she would show herself in different forms,
and one of them was a wolf, a friend of mine.

(02:10:57):
I actually went there last year. So I've never been
to the Belwich Cave Belwich property, and I'm will with
some friends and it was it's on the trail of tears.

Speaker 1 (02:11:10):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
So we're already talking big Native American grown yes, and
lots of trauma there. So we're there on a full
moon and an electrical storm blows in. Oh boy, and
it's one of the best storms I believe I have
seen in a while. Lightning just all the way down,

(02:11:36):
just incredible lightning. So it sidelined our investigation about an
hour and a half. But we were in three different groups.
I've been on the Native American burial ground section, another
group had been in the replica cabin section, and the
third were in the cave. They couldn't get out that

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to stand there raining and coming down like it was,
they were trapped. So after the hour and a half
they come trudging up the hill. They're going to take
a break with us, and my friend Lee pulls out
his phone. He had been taking video and he said,
say look at this and I looked over at it

(02:12:20):
and I said, ooh, play that again, and he played
it again. I said, was somebody behind Regina? He said no. Regina,
which is my other friend, was telling the story inside
the cave, in the very back of the cave, as
far back as you can go in, and it curves

(02:12:43):
around there and you can't get into that section. So
she was stopped right there telling the story of something
that had happened about the cave. And above her head
was the back wall. And a shadow goes across the
back wall. I asked. I said, well, did someone go
in front of the lights. He said, no, those lights
are way up high. Okay, nobody had crawled up on

(02:13:06):
stones to do that, and uh, I said, played again,
played again, played again. I said, Lee, that's a wolf
and it was was the shadow of a wolf walking
behind her head.

Speaker 1 (02:13:21):
Oh, let me tell you something that it's a perfect
that electrical storm kind of deal.

Speaker 2 (02:13:25):
Oh and on native ground, yes, and on the trail
of tears and.

Speaker 1 (02:13:32):
A full moon, you had everything all the ingredients for
there was incredible.

Speaker 2 (02:13:37):
It was an incredible night.

Speaker 1 (02:13:40):
I know that that was such when you look at
the story of so many people that were witnessed, like,
how can I say credible like that reverence and that
people come out out there.

Speaker 2 (02:13:51):
Yeah, well even the president.

Speaker 1 (02:13:54):
Yes, they had everybody in there. Everybody came out there.
This was so well known. And the thing was people
walked the way the people writing there thinking oh, this
is nonsense, this is this is nothing, and then they
would leave like believers.

Speaker 2 (02:14:06):
Like yeah, and they do get stones back all the time.

Speaker 1 (02:14:12):
Oh really, I had not heard that. I had not
heard that part of people taking stuff like even a
stone and then like clear carrying back. Thanks, but that
I mean take something said, it has been absolutely wonderful
to talk to you. Here's my my rescue kitty, Marnie. Oh,
he's my girl. I found her out in like the
country and there was like a container and I think

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she was the runt and she had fallen out. She
was she had just opened her eyes up. And the
guy who owned the property goes, I have don't worry
mama cats, and I was like, I went in there.
I went, I climbed back into it was an old
you know, trucking container. I'd been left on the property
and I looked, I said, well, maybe the rest of
the kittens are in there and I put her back
and she came out and she fell. I was like, ah,

(02:14:56):
and then I said, and I said, if I leave
around here, somebody said something's gonna pick her off off
And I brought her and I bottled fetter. That's right,
you paint in the neck. Get out of here, Bye
bye bye, Get out of here, Marnie.

Speaker 2 (02:15:07):
When we first started, I had three next to me.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
Yeah, ye see, yeah, no, this one's she She comes
and she's like and sometimes you know, she'll she'll go
to sleep and she'll sleep on the bench. She's fine,
but then she'll wake up in the middle of the
night it's like, oh, time to play. And I'm like,
you know, yes, I got here, Yeah I know, I know,
but she's, uh, you know, I've got my puppies down here.

(02:15:32):
They're not puppies, are kind of older, but they're like
hanging out like they know, don't make any noise because
then she'll give you the stink eye. Yeah no, no,
I tell everybody, my audience knows, this is my enforcer.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Yes, it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (02:15:46):
This is my enforcer. And now even the cat I go,
look what it is, and they're like, oh no, it's
the water thing.

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
All I have to do is shake it. Yes, they
know it, like, oh, everybody's good.

Speaker 1 (02:16:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It has been absolutely wonderful for my
podcast listeners. And what is the website where they can
find you?

Speaker 2 (02:16:07):
You can find me on Facebook, Sin Trader Hill author.
You can also find my group at Valley Paranormal there.

Speaker 1 (02:16:14):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:16:15):
If you are interested in my books, I've got five
on Amazon right now. Okay Trader Hill and google me
you can.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
When's your next I know you said that on your
bio that you were working on something. Do you know
when they're going to be released or not?

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
I am working on Death Store Step right now, which
is near death Experiences, Rescues and spirit Warnings, So that
one's the next one coming out hopefully within the next month.
That one, okay, okay, A couple of months after that,
I'm bringing out the second Signs book, and then I've

(02:16:50):
got a third one. I'm working on that. Some of
the darker stories similar to the Realm of Shadows, so
that kind of spooky, spooky.

Speaker 1 (02:16:59):
Never don't oh you're a busy girl.

Speaker 2 (02:17:01):
Never adult, Well, I tell you I'm working a lot
more this year on mine because the last fourteen and
a half months we're spent working on Mark's cookbook.

Speaker 1 (02:17:12):
So he has a cookbook. Oh my god, I didn't
know that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
Oh my god, my mean old Grandma's good old cookbook
and more.

Speaker 1 (02:17:23):
Oh that is great. Oh my god, look at that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:26):
It's eight and a half, fine eleven. It's on Amazon.

Speaker 1 (02:17:30):
Okay, it's got.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
It's got his grandmother's recipes, his recipes that he's collected
over the years.

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
Check her out with a rolling pin.

Speaker 2 (02:17:40):
Yes, that was that was his grandmother's sister. Okay, actually
that he patterned that after. Then he's got the story
of the sin Eater in here in funeral food in Charlotte.
And if you don't know what frozen Charlotte is, though
I don't know what that is, it's what our china

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dolls are patterned after. It was this girl back in
the eighteen hundreds that was too vain to put a
coat on to go through this festival, and so her
fiancee took her in the sleigh, miles and miles in
the snow to this ball. When he got there, he's
he reached to help her down, but she was frozen stiff.

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Hence frozen chip.

Speaker 1 (02:18:25):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (02:18:27):
That's astal desserts, frozen Charlotte's in here, and so he's
got that. He's got pretty sister recipes, which are the
good ones, and he's got ugly sister recipes which you
don't want to have a bite of, probably, And it's
got everything from hagis and chitlins.

Speaker 1 (02:18:49):
And I taste for some of those things.

Speaker 2 (02:18:51):
You know, some of the I would taste them if
someone else would cook them. I don't want to cook
them in my house. But this took fourteen and a
half months. It's seven and eighty eight recipes.

Speaker 1 (02:19:04):
Wow, yes, man, you could be making stuff for how
many years?

Speaker 2 (02:19:08):
Like forever? He's he's got things from the sixteen hundreds
in here. He's got the oldest recipe in here is
from Russia. It was Paroski, not Parochi. It's a poroski, Okay,
it was around nine hundred AD. Wow, he's all kinds

(02:19:30):
of recipes in this thing. So I thought, But I
spent fourteen and a half months.

Speaker 1 (02:19:36):
So now you're like, okay, now this year is my year. Yeah,
it's like I'm telling you, telling you.

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
And I edit for him for his books. What, okay,
does my covers and my illustrations. Okay, so that's how we.

Speaker 1 (02:19:51):
Even swamp up. Thank you so much. It has been
absolutely wonderful. I got to bring you back because we
got to keep on with these stories.

Speaker 2 (02:19:58):
I would love to.

Speaker 1 (02:20:00):
We've got some great stories that you know, yours are fantastic.
But I'll put a link to the credits of the
show and thank you so much. I want to wish
you the best of luck and everything.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
You as well. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:20:12):
Take care, bye bye bye. Wow. I could keep like always,
I could keep talking to her like hours and hours.
Spe She's got great stories. She's got great stories, and
that's really what it's all about. Because the oral tradition,
like I said, of the ghost stories is again I

(02:20:35):
want to say this, I want to repeat myself, but
I don't care. You know, contrary to what we see
with the paranormal shows, which is you know that format,
the original ghost stories were like the or tradition. Like
I said, it was just the story. Sometimes you knew
who the ghost was or the or the backstory to it.
Other times it was just the story of a haunted

(02:20:57):
location and for all you knew, the ghost was still
there all right. And again, except of the stories you
never know who's the uh, why it started, or how
long it's been there. And like I said, and sometimes
even people that tell you stories and modern times, you

(02:21:18):
never find out because they just decide the only way
to get out of this pickle of the hunting is
I'm gonna move out, like forget it. And I've said it.
You know, even when I was investigations, you know, we
would always leave the door open for like you, you know,
if you want to call us back, if you keep
on having problems or what do you want to do. Sometimes,
believe it or not, people would sometimes you would go

(02:21:44):
in there and you would kind of verify for them,
yes there is something going on here. Maybe we might
need to come back, but we have a feeling. And
like I said, this is not where first of all,
like she was saying at the beginning, not every paranormal
investigation gives you does what this say the people that
live there describe to you. Sometimes they don't at all,

(02:22:06):
or they give you very little, all right, So basically
you're going on maybe what you captured there and what
they've told you. But sometimes you don't get a full
full Monty, you know, the one time that you're there
and let may said, not everybody. You Basically a lot
of times they're opening their house to a stranger. So

(02:22:27):
contrary to what you see on some of these shows
that they'll tell you oh yeah, you know, like get
rid of it, there's some people that say, well, we
got to think about it, because you say, okay, call
us back, tell us what you want to do, what
you decide to do based on what's going on here
is what we think it is, or maybe we might
need to come back because we still haven't really figured

(02:22:47):
out what's the how to handle this, what's the identity
if there's more than one, because I said, sometimes if
there is a true haunting, they don't cooperate on cue.
They don't. As a matter of fact, you find out
that sometimes when into intelligent huntings, they kind of split.
They either go to the attic, the basement, They make
themselves scarce. Not all of them were willing to like

(02:23:09):
so anyway, a lot of times we would follow up,
especially we hadn't heard from them, come to find out
these people they left. They just if they were especially
if it was like a rental or they had the
financial means, they would put the house up for sale
and we're out of here. We're out of here. We

(02:23:31):
don't want to find out who it is. We don't
want to find out how to take care of it.
And the most that would I think that they were
like more than worried about it, Like I just don't
want it to come with us, all right, I don't
want it to follow us. Besides that this was their
their cure all for the situation. It was like, I forget.

(02:23:51):
I don't want you to come back and find out
and tell me what the name of the ghost is.
All right, I don't care, just enough that you told
me that there is something going on here and it's
not my imagination, it's not what I'm out of here,
and uh, you'd be surprised for. And this is especially

(02:24:13):
I want to say, once upon a time, people were
not as transient as they are now. But depending on
the neighborhood or even if it's an apartment building, you
don't even have the how's this The benefits of having
maybe a neighbor give you a backstory like, oh, you
know that in that apartment there was a shootout or

(02:24:36):
somebody died or se Yeah. Sometimes in the perfect world,
you'll get the neighbor or something, or even the landlord,
which most landlords will never tell you this story. I
don't care how the landlords usually do not. They will
give you the bold face line of no, I don't
know they are there and are going to tell you
that there was maybe somebody died there, or there was

(02:25:00):
some crime, or much less that maybe that apartment or
that house or whatever it is doesn't hold the tenant
down right, They don't, but because this is how they
make their money, and they're thinking, the last thing I
want is for it to get out that this place
is you know, haunted, and then you know, people will
want to rent it or then you imagine things or

(02:25:23):
I got to discount it or one of those deals.
So you know, sometimes people just like I'm out of here,
I don't want to find out. I don't want to know.
They ask around, and it's almost like if you even
it's even worse when from some source, whether they do
their own digging or they do have a neighbor or
somebody that tells them, oh, yeah, this is what happened there,

(02:25:44):
and they're like what In other words, that's just like
that confirms like forget it. That's even more reason why
I'm out of here, right. And there's a lot of
ghost stories, I want to say, believe it or not,
the majority of them. That's how it works out. People leave,
and then you'll even have you'll even have people that
will tell you, oh, we lived in his house and

(02:26:05):
the department, and you know, they didn't move away, they
like they stayed in the town. And they'll say that
there came a point where the house was just that
they're vacant, and eventually it was demolished or it was
just vacant and nobody moved there, like like the landlord
gives up on it because they just can't hold down people,
and they never they never really know what what was

(02:26:28):
the catalyst, what was driving, what was going on there.
Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't a lot of times
more often than not. Because that's why I'm saying, it's
like you like when you see the CSI effect, all
these CSI shows that you think, you know, the CSI
team's gonna come in and give all the answers and
solve and find out that who done it. Same thing
with paranormal work. A lot of times, a good portion

(02:26:50):
of the time, you really never know who or why.
You just have the after effects, and in some cases
not all the time. It's not the place, it's the person.
It's whoever's there. You know, it's as ever's there. And
that's why sometimes you'll do the research or if you

(02:27:11):
get to talk to a neighbor or something the and
there's like, man, there's nothing ever really happened at this place.
That the normal stuff that we always give a tribute
to to a haunting. And it's because later come to
find out it's like, yeah, you moved away, and it's
like we might never have heard from you, but later
on you kind of Sometimes it's not the place, it's

(02:27:33):
the people, like, yeah, you moved, but good luck on that.
And again I've said it before, I've had investigations where
you start talking to them and they kind of fess
up because you always ask them like, oh, have you
ever had like experiences like this? Because we always look
at it from the end of ur maybe your psychic,
maybe you're budding medium, you know, maybe there's something about you,

(02:27:53):
not because you know, you know, you might still have
something paranormal going on there, but we always ask them
have you had this experience before? And you'd be surprised
how many people will say confidentially to you or because
they think that you're kinder about it, and then they'll
start giving recounting a history of hauntings, and then you realize, wait, wait, wait,

(02:28:20):
wait wait wait, it's you. You're the thing. You're the
You're the not the object, you of the attachment or
the you're it. Now. Why it's them could be because
they are a psychic slash medium, which means that they
have that people walking around trying to make them like
I want you to see me, I want you to

(02:28:40):
talk for me, I want you to find my whatever.
So it's like, yeah, wherever you go, there you are.
Sometimes it's that. Sometimes it's that they've been dabbling in
occult and they got an attachment and it's a traveling attachment.
It's them. They Sometimes you'll have people that they they're

(02:29:07):
or stand out drug abuse, you know, substance abuse, and
they'll get an attachment. Yeah, they could go to the
hospital and they'll have somebody piggyback with them. God forbid,
even at the worst places where they frequent where they
do because like attracts like I mean, there's a million
places and it's like, well, good luck, I mean again.

(02:29:27):
And sometimes you'll have that where the person has their
own personal a spiritual turbulence accompaniment, and then they move
into a place that has its own haunting or its
own thing, and then that's where you get the fireworks. Right,
that's when you get the fireworks, and the things that
happen are like really and really what it is is

(02:29:51):
just two sources. And I want to say that, believe
it or not. Sometimes there's a battle of the of
the spirits where you might have something walking with that
person and then there's something that's already there, whether it's
the grandfa, the grandpa, the grandma, the owner they got

(02:30:11):
to build the house, or the guy that died in
the room in the back and whatever whatever the origin is,
and they're like, who's this guy you know, like's walking around?
And then that that that clash, right, That's like sometimes
what sparks off a lot of like poulter Geist activity,
polterguys type of activity. How's that which noticeable things of

(02:30:36):
this nature or in some cases not all the time,
where you'll have like an uptick of anger, like amongst
family members or even a person. I'll say, man, I'm
not usually like that or like or like you get
you're mad. You realize yourself. Man, I'm mad, and I
don't know why I'm so upset about this, but what's

(02:30:57):
going on And it's because what's going on around you
on a metaphysical plane and you have no idea, or
sometimes you do. And that's a whole other show. So anyway, guys,
I hope you like this interview with Sin. I will
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(02:31:17):
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