Spirits of the Dead | Interview with John Russell | Podcast - Stories of the Supernatural

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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you for being part of my audience and I think
you are all wonderful. So how's everybody doing good? Anything
is good? Anything? It's fine? Hot? Yep, there's no mistaking

(01:25):
that as June in Florida. Yeah, as a matter of fact,
I was commenting me for the show started going with
the guests, which I will introduce shortly. He's a fellow
Floridian about how Florida temperatures have their own special feeling.
How's that? And like I said, I was born and raised.

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I'm a real native Floridian. So I've been you know,
I've been through the worst. But yeah, and I've gone
to the places which is hot. If you look at
the temperature, it's technically hotter, but the humidity here does
a number of you. And I know there's a lot
of people there that are saying, yeah, I know, I've
been there. It's like crazy, It's like a steambath. You
get used to it. What can I say, I'd rather well,

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I'm used to it, but it's like I'd rather have
this snow. And other people there that like, oh I
love snow. It's like okay, but anyway, besides that, everybody
asks me how my animals. Everybody's fine, you know, Like
with animals. I've got a few of my older dogs.
I look at them sometimes and I'm like, they look
healthy and they look okay, but I'm like preparing myself sometimes,

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like it's really funny because time flies. But then you
look at your animals, like I have dogs that I
got as puppies, like really puppies, and they've turned white,
you know, they're they're snout. And I've got even a
girl here that she's got eyebrows. I've gone white and
I'm looking at her and she's okay, but still it's

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like she's I'm like, you know, I gotta be ready.
I've lost other dogs before, don't get me wrong, and
my dogs usually live a long time. But part of
me is like, okay, you know you got this is
like this is the bargain you make when you get
a dog or any animal that that that you know
hopefully that you're going to outlive them, and that then

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what are you gonna do? So yeah, that's one of
those things that when we have the animals, everybody's fine,
and then you look at them and mm yeah, and
then uh what else, Yeah, I got the I've got
my pageons are fine, My guineas are fine. They're driving
me crazy. I've got guinea keats, that's what you call
baby guineas keats. I've got some up that I'm gonna

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probably be selling. I'm gonna let them feather out, and
I've got my new dozen chicks that is still keeping
them in a big crate like their cage that I
can't let them go yep, because they're gonna get picked
off by some predator because they're they're that big. But
still they're they're dumb.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
You know.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
As chickens grow older, you know, they get they get smarter,
they move quick, like they realize, oh that shot overhead,
let me get onto the tree. Mind these they're like
they've gotten bigger, but they're like, eh, yeah, yeah, they
walk around. So it's like, no, you guys are staying
in this big giant cage in the coop because if not,
I'm going to come out and there's not gonna be
all I'm gonna get is a bunch of feathers. So

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so besides that, you know what, also one of the
things that in the last three times I've been I've been,
you know, discussing with you guys, is any like any uh,
any weird news that's come around or you know, like

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the last time I mentioned that about all these things
now that they're saying like that, there was a big
sign of the same with the UFOs, like the Pentagon.
It was like, why am I not surprised at this point?
You know, I'm telling you it's like, but basically what
they were saying this, and I found like three articles

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on it was that the let's say, for example, the
crash at Rowls one in nineteen forty seven, it was like, yeah,
we said it was a weather balloon. And then we
ourselves put out all these reports about people seeing UFOs
all right, because we were really wanting to distract from
our own It was basically, us are UFOs flying around,

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and we didn't want anybody to know, as in not us,
but at large, because of course the word would spread
that we were developing this type of what aviation at
this point, and I was like, okay, you know, it's
just like I'm going from one cynic to you know,

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like another cynic. Like okay, I don't know what to
think anymore. But yeah, again, I asked you guys and
comment again. If anybody especially has had any UFO experience,
let me know. I've never seen a UFO and things
like that. I've spoken to people who said they've had

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I've spoken to people who've had e T you know,
like that the siding, but I've never personally had one.
So if you come across anything, let me know, you know,
text me or email me, or you know, put a
comment on the show, because I'd like to hear your story. Okay,
let's get on to the good part, and that is

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who is our guest today. He's been here before. His
name is John Russell. He's been a professional psychic for
over fifty years. He's internationally known. He's provided psychic readings
for clients in over forty countries and has authored four
multi award winning books about his real life experiences with
the spiritual world. The title of these books are Okay, Slim,
take it easy, see what I mean, Ghosts, Angels and

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the Spirits of the Dead, Twenty Ways to Increase your
Psychic abilities, The Criterie and the Magic Rock, A Knock
in the Attic, True ghost Stories, and other spine chilling
paranormal advances. Help Me welcome. How are you doing today, John?

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Our lead is terrific to be here. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
And I'm the contrary last talked.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And since you last gave the introduction, I've just had
another new book come out, this one Ghost. So that's
a total of five.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Now, what's the name of the what's the title.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Again, the Cansack Ghost?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, okay, that's.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Very specific to a story that's that's in the book.
It's the title is very Germaine to that story. So yeah,
I've been been keeping busic. Like you said, I've been
a professional psyching for over fifty years and reads in
over forty countries, which boggles my mind, absolutely boggles my mind.
I still read from an international clientele.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Let me tell you something. When you say you must
have heard it all, you must have heard it all.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
I have just about heard it all.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I think I'm thinking, is it I mean, does anything
make you raise your eyebrows anymore? Like, Oh, that's okay,
I never heard that.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
There's nothing that does you know. I've read from thousands
and thousands of clients over the years, and there's nothing
that makes me raise my eyebrows anymore. And I don't
get to do as many paranormal investigations as I used to,
because I'm seventy one now I've got some nil TI
issues and so that's but you know, I'm still writing.
There's more books on the way, there's more books coming.

(08:21):
And you were talking about the UFO experiences. I don't
remember the last time that I was on if we
talked at things about that or not. But I've had.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
About ten really okay.

Speaker 2 (08:32):
Ten UFO experiences, including a This is why I was
trying to remember if we talked about this last time
or not. I had a daylight sighting up close and
personal with about at least twenty thirty maybe forty witnesses
besides myself.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah, what happened with that.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Well, it was really I can I can tell you
the story if you want, sure, Yes, what was really interesting.
You know, I had my first paranormal experience when I
was five, and then between the ages of five and six,
I discovered my psychic gift and I begin to work
on it and develop it. And this paranormal experience that

(09:13):
occurred at age five opened up this portal to the
physical paranormal experiences. And these were things that other people
saw and experience on the physical realm, and the continued.
I've had way over a thousand, way, way way over
a thousand wow, and these have been witnessed by other people.
We've caught them on video, We've caught them on audio,

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and so on and so forth. So by the time
I was around eighteen, I had started reading professionally and
I had had all of these tremendous paranormal experiences. So
I knew the paranormal was real. I knew it was valid.
I knew it had affected our physical realm, and I
knew that we could connect with it in positive ways

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to brother our lives for the better. So I knew
that beyond a shadow of doubt. Now I had had
already some of the most mind blowing, weird, incredible parnormal
experiences you can imagine. But I didn't believe in UFOs.
I had read the books, I had read the magazines,
I had seen the interviews on TV with people, and
I'm like, no, not buy it. I just couldn't buy UFOs.

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Just didn't believe in UFOs. So I grew up in
West Texas and the storms there are horrific and the
rain there is like super bad. I mean, can flood
your yard in twenty minutes time, or flooding underpast me
twenty minutes time. So I was used to this severe weather,

(10:43):
bad hail storms, tornadoes, all this kind of stuff. And
it was getting on late in the afternoon. In this
place that I was at, I had parked my car
in a parking lot across the street. And it was
a narrow two lane street, and the parking lot wasn't enclosed,
it was an open lot. And when I was do
the door of the building I had been in, I
can wok across the street and see my car in

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the parking lot very clearly. So, like I said, it's
about four in the afternoon, and I came out and
it was the first thing that happens is this blasting
wind hits me in the face, and I look up
and it's overcast, and I'm like, oh boy, here we go.
So I thought, well, I'd better run for my car

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before it hits. And as I'm starting to run towards
the parking lot towards my car, I noticed that in
the parking lot by my car is this volume near
cloud that's about this cloud that's in the column, and
it's about I guess maybe four or five or six
feet in diameter, okay, attached to the clouds above. And

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it's resting down in the parking lot by my car,
and I'm like, okay. And I hadn't seen dirt devil
and dust devils.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I can't see it, I say, I'm thinking tornado. I mean,
I would have thought like, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
It wasn't that, because I hadn't seen all these things, right,
And I'm standing there watching this thing, and these orbs
about the size of maybe a soccer ball or a basketball.
These glowing orbs begin to exude protrude from out of
the cloud and then go back into it. And there
are all these glowing phosphorescent colors reds and orange and

(12:24):
yellows and greens and purples, and all up and down
the length of this cloud. These things are going out
and then coming back in, coming out, coming back in.
And I'm like, this is the craziest thing I've ever
seen in my life. I'm like, what the heck am
I going to do? So get this?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I need to get my card butt, Yeah, I get this.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Incredibly stupid ergs this, this voice says, walk toward the cloud.
I'm like, okay, So I take a few steps toward
the cloud, and it actually advances toward me in the bark.
I stop and it stops. I back up, it back up.
I take some steps toward it and moves towards me.

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I stop and stops. I back up, it backs up.
I'm like, okay, what the heck do I do now?
So I'm back up by the door of the building
and the door opens, wax me in the back of
the buddy of mine comes out and goes, oh man,
I'm sorry. He said, what do you do? And stands
it close to the door. Why are you just standing
there like that? And he doesn't wait for me to answer.
He look sudden. He's like, oh boy, it looks like
we're in for it. And then he looks across into

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the parking lot and goes, what the hell is that?
So wait, wait, watch this. Watch this. So I walked
toward it, it moves towards me. I stop and stops.
I back up, it backs up. I do that a
few times, and I say, and then the weirdest thing
you've ever seen. He looks to me like, I'm the
weirdest thing he's ever seen. He's scared to death, he's
out of it.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I can imagine, Okay, well.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah, this charge part in a different direction. He's out there.
So now I'm alone with this thing again, and I
know it's real because he's seen it, he's verified it.
So I'm wondering what I'm going to do. And about
this time, the zips back up intil the clouds up
above and all the clouds are flying over. So I'm like, okay.
I run across the street to my car and I'm like,

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what in God's name was that? So I get in
my car and I start driving, and now I know
this town like the back of my hand, literally all
the entire town, and it's still due to this day.
I mean not even lived there in decades, so I
know all the streets, all the intersections, I know where
everything's up. So we had a Sears Room bookstore on

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Board Guard. The street behind that was two In Street,
and they had an automotive center and a big, huge
parking lot that extended from behind their store out to
Twig Street with an entrance on Twoig Street where you
could go in this parking lot. So that's how this
plays into the story. Then I'm driving and as I
begin to drive, it starts to rain, and the rain

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is coming down so hard all of a sudden that
with my wipers on high and with my headlights on,
I have about maybe a picture this maybe a foot
of visibility my car. That's it. There are cars that
are angle park on the street. I lean over and

(15:08):
look out my passenger window. I can't see them, and
the wipers are doing absolutely no good. I have never
experienced rain like this, and I'm like, my God, what
am I gonna do? I'm starting to panic because I
can't keep driving. I have no visibility. I'm gonna get somebody.
I'm gonna swerve me to these angle park cars. Somebody's
gonna hit me. And I'm like, what God's name I'm

(15:30):
gonna do? Well. I had got up to the point
already where I knew I hadn't passed BullGuard. Okay, okay.
If I can make it to two Ink Street, if
I can get around the corner without in anything, and
if I can see the entrance to the Seers parking lot,
I'll pull up in there. I'll get out. I don't
care if I get so, I'll go in the store,
go to the basement where they had some of the

(15:51):
greatest sporting goods on the planet, and I'll look at
the sporting goods since it was of them. When it's safe,
i'll drive home. So this is my plan. So I'm
driving along and my head lights pick up the bumper
of this car right in front of me, just in
time for me to jam on my bake brakes and
keep from hitting it. And then I see their lights

(16:12):
coming toward me, right on my tail, and they managed
to stop upon me, and I'm like, well, why are
they just stopped here? And I look up and there's
this tiny red pin prick of light. Now you know
how right stop lights are, Yes, that was the stoplight.
It was about the size of a nickel wire in

(16:32):
the park and they had managed to see and so
the light changed and we were at two ing Street
by then, and they turned the corner and I turned
the corner, and I tried to stay as close to
them as I could without hitting them. So I had
a little bit of this gauge of distance in front
of me, right, And so we're going along and I'm like,

(16:53):
these cars are still ing the park over here. I've
got to see where this break into the parking lot
is leaning over and I'm holding on my steering wheel,
and I had bitch seats, and I was leaning over
as far as I could in the pasta and window
train and see up the past and went to see
if I could see for the car's wrangle park or
the entrance into the parking lot was. And now it's

(17:15):
been raining that hard this entire time. I've got maybe
two feet of visibility out of each side window. Maybe
it put a visibility beyond the hood. And instantly, I
don't mean it slacks off. I don't mean it slows down.
The rain is that hard with that low zero visibility.

(17:36):
And now the next second, clearly, wow, no rain, not
a mist hitting the windshield. Total visibility is returned. It's
still overcast, but total visibility is returned. I can say
all the way behind me in the reary mirror, I
say all the way around me, say all the way
down the street in front of me, and I'm like,
what in God's name? And about this time, the people

(17:58):
of that are it's a two lean street, and the
people that are in the other lane coming our way
start swerving over into our lane and almost hitting cars. Wow,
And people are honking, and people are jumping out of
their cars onto the street and yelling and pointing up
and people are rolling down their carbiness and pointing up
the sky, and I'm like, what in gods.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, you just you just went through this thing. Well,
look I can't I can't drive, I can't see, so
you as a billy.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
And now total visibility, but these people are acting in
this crazy way, and I'm like, what did God's name
is going on? So I look where they're pointing, and
I had made it up far enough that I was
at the entrance to the parking lot for the Seers huh,
and I can see the Seers building and over the
Seers building, hovering maybe thirty to fifty peep over the

(18:45):
top of the Seers building was this large silver metallic
ufo oh about thirty to fifty peet dame or They're
just sitting there, hovering over the Seers building. And I
was like, O le good and I literally did car kicking.
I rub because I didn't think I was right. Yeah,
all these other people seeing it before I got so

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I rubbed my eyes. I look back up it's there
and I'm like, I'm got to get out of my car,
get read of this thing. And so I reached from
my door handled and this I did, the UFO just barely,
barely perceptibly moved closer toward us. And when it did,
the low lying clouds came down, swept in from behind
it covered it over, and the rains back again. Didn't

(19:28):
start up again. It's just instantly there again and pull
forth no visibility.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Let me ask you, did anybody just run off? Because
I imagine there's people there that didn't. Anybody like wig
out totally into say I'm out of here. Oh yeah,
I imagine there's there's the one that this is all
I need to see. I'm out of here before they
before they come and get me.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah. Yeah. So that was when I had to say, okay,
I got a change denominations.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Here, because yes, really, let me tell you something that's
a pretty good convincer.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
Personal there it is.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Did you hear any noise coming from it?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Any noise?

Speaker 2 (20:06):
No, no no sound, no smoke, no flame, no nothing,
just over in there silently. And since then, like I said,
I've probably had nine or ten of their experiences, including
one that I communicated with a graft. And that was
the most mind blowing thing because I was sitting outside.
I've always been an outdoors when. I've always loved being out,

(20:30):
like in the woods and camping, honey fishing all over
the huh. I love sitting out looking at the night sky.
So when this home we had, we had a courtyard
with a bird cage over it, so I could sit
out there without our Florida's notorious mosquges eating melive.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
And I'd sit out there and look at the night sky.
And I had a big heat of view, expansive view
of the sky. And I was sitting there and it
was a clear, beautiful night, and I was watching the
stars and promo to my right came this light moving
through the sky. And we lived near an airport where
small planes would come in, so it wouldn't usual to
see like little Sustena's and things flying around right right

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landing at the airport. But I look over this There
was no engine noise. There were no flashing lights, no
landing lights, and it was just orange or translucent orange
or floating through the sky at large, very long. And
I looked at this thing, and I watched it, and
I kept listening for engine noise, and I kept looking
for lights. There was no lights, no engine, noise, no nothing.

(21:33):
And this thing floated slowly around, came around in front
of me. It was down pretty low. And as it
got closer in front of me, I looked at this
thing and I said, the son of a gun, that's
the UFO. And I stood up and psychically and physically,

(21:54):
uh huh, I said, if you can hear me, stop
and reverse course slightly. And Marlene, the damn thing stopped
and backed up a little bit in the sky. Oh,
and then in less than a split seconds time, imagine
being down like if you're in a small plane, you're
about to land in the local airport. You're letting right,

(22:15):
you look up where like a sudden twenty seven some
thirty seven is fly way up there. In less than
a second's time, it went from that height down that
lowe up there, okay, stopped and hovered a little bit,
and then from there it shot up in to the
stars and hovered there a little bit and kind of

(22:37):
moved around a little bit, kind of back and forth
a little bit, and then shot off out of side
in the universe.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
But how big do you think it was? Could you
gauge that?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh? Gosh, it was probably I'd have say it was
at least thirty to fifty feet in diameter somewhere around there. Yeah,
it was large.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
It was a large I can imagine you're trying to
figure out. Okay, it's how a plane is that? A helicopter?
Is that a what is that?

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah? And so it does that again. No smoke, no noise,
no sonic wind, nothing right and literally in less than
a split second, it traversed that distance just like that.
And I was incrediblelly count and the thing that frustrated
me and all of this, and of course I've talked

(23:19):
about with some of the most knowledgeable UFO experts in
the world, and the most honest among them have told me, John,
we don't have a clue. We don't know, we don't
know why they're here, we don't know what their purpose is.
There's a lot of people that don't tell you they
know everything about it, blah blah blah. They don't.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I think that they can theorize. You know, theory is great, but.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Theory is great, but we just don't know yet yet.
We know those facts are the ones that do keep
it buried. But the frustrating thing to me was to
realize that this thing could understand me. That's incredible telepathically, yes,
that with me, could obey my command and then just off.
I kind of what we can do now.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
It makes you think, you know, are ets reading your mind?
You know, get a person all paranoidly huh yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
And you know the thing, if it is, if it
could communicate with me, why was there no further communication?
Because I attempted again it was like, okay, right up there,
you know, talk to me. Why are you here?

Speaker 1 (24:17):
What's going on exactly?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And I've never gotten anything. I've never received anything, So
it's very prostrating. And then the whole ethos that's grown
up around us. Yeah, you know, the people people come
up with all kinds of stupid and screwy things. You know,
all these are the uh, these are the space brothers

(24:40):
that have come to save us, well apparently not new
horrible experiments on those. And I mutilate cattle.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
That's the Let me tell you something. That's one of
the things you know, you hear about these people, the
pladi ins and the this and the that, the only
noise I'll wait a minute first, of that thing that
that you say about the cattle mutilations, how many animals.
You have to mutilate because it's not only cat. Yeah,
I mean this thatle was I changed that much?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Why do they keep experimenting on us? Another thing is,
and I write about this in one of my books.
I go into depth of this and I provide statistics,
especially on the atomic experiments. You know, other people saying
this is documented. Now, this is documented in our congressional record,

(25:25):
This is documented by our military. This is absolute fact.
This is not conjecture. That is absolutely true in at
least two cases in the US, and I leave one
in the Ukraine and maybe other places. Not in Ukraine,
maybe Russia because Ukraine didn't have to be clear missiles

(25:46):
or they didn't give them up. I don't know, but anyways,
be documented. This has been proven. This is not conjecture.
The people that have worked in the missile silos came
forth and said, this is what we experienced. So in
several decay Asians UFOs have hovered over our nuclear missile
and mentals offline so that they could not be long.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Well, you know what, and I'm glad you. I'm going
to interrupt you real quick. Part of that article that
I was reading the other day, it referred to one
of these incidents where something like that where there was
one of these nuclear sites where the where things turned off.
That they were saying and the gist of the art,
and again I'm not I'm not vouching for how, but

(26:31):
they said that, you know how some people say, don't
worry because if we did try to go nuclear, the
Space Brothers will come and they'll stop us. That that
was us, uh, basically testing like an e MP type
of I guess either you want to call it weapon
or thing to turn things off.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
People. Okay, yeah, the craft, these are the people. So
the UFOs took the nukes offline, couldn't be launched, which
leaves uspulnerable in case of nuclear strength. And after a
period of time they left and when the craft left,
the missiles would come back online. Right, and at least

(27:15):
one instance. Now here's here's the stupidity. People say, oh,
look see the Space Brothers are coming to shut down
our nuts and say stop, stop your nuclear programs being
peaceful and loving and blah blah blah. And here's the stupidity.
They don't get the whole story. They don't think it
all the way through them. They don't understand everything that's
happening in one instance, a separate instance, when the UFO

(27:40):
craft came over the base and multiple people witnessed the
UFOs each time, and people were on guard, on lord on,
ready to shoot the thing down or whatever they had
to do. So it's not we're not doing this, and
it's not some foreign country doing this. This is out
there technology. We don't have this technology. So in another occasion,

(28:00):
the UFO came up the base, shut down the nuclear weapons.
They came back online. Two of them were in launch mode, yeah,
and had to be manually taken out of launch mode
to keep them going off. So I've said, you look,
either that they made a good or somebody was trying

(28:21):
to start some crap, you know, really, and you have
to understand, you have to think about this, you know,
in these logical ways. We started our first and I
write about this, I've got the specifics in my book.
We started. The very first atomic test we did was Trinity,
and that was decades and decades and decades ago. And

(28:42):
since then we've conducted over a thousand nuclear explosions, tomic
nuclear explosions. That's not including Nagashaki in Hiroshima, right, that's
just us, just you is uh huh. So here's decades
that if we had the space brothers that were concerned
about us blowing ourselves up and blowing up our planet,

(29:03):
they've had decades to come down over the craft, over
the White House lone and say no, get out and
go what are your people do?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, the mothership lands on the lot.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
They have them, they haven't. They've had plenty of opportunity
to stop and they haven't. So, you know, you have
to be realistic about these things. You have to look
at it and say they have indifference at best apparently,
and possible hostility at worse. Because we have all the
you know, abduction experiences were people, yeah, horrific experiments on

(29:36):
them that are painful, that leave them traumatized. So that's
not the action of someone.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
That you know what. And it's really funny because one
of those nuclear bombs go off, who's gonna believe them
saying it was the UFO that did it. Nobody's. Nobody's
gonna believe.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
That it's gonna be all right, they launched.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
We're losing, Yeah, exactly exactly. Nobody's gonna say, hey, the
UFOs hovered And the next thing we know that the
thing was, you know, we we couldn't control the whatever
it is that they do too, and nobody no, but
I mean nobody'd be you know, forget it. But the
you know, I've always think, you know, yeah, it's a

(30:15):
nice thought to think, oh, you know, they're they're they're
friendly or they're like taking care of us. Like and
I'm like, you know what, usually when you have whether
you want to call them civilization or species or whatever
you want to call them, that is superior to us.
And this is the thing that I tell everybody. They're
superior to us and technology obviously, but that doesn't mean

(30:38):
that they're superior to us, like in emotionally, you see
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yes, it's like I tell people, Look, I had an
uncle that was a mechanical genius. Okay, one of the
most sought after machinists there were. He could machine any part,
do anything. He was an expert mechanic. He literally built
a car from the ground up, cars just for dreams,

(31:07):
just to show he can do it. And he was
an expert of artist technical artist Straftsman drew cars bill
that this and the other. So genius doesn't mean that
he got along well with his wife. Doesn't meaning you
how to car, doesn't meaning you how to pay his
own taxes. So he just call somebody develops the technology
and a shift that can go light years through space

(31:30):
in the blink of an eye doesn't mean they're compassionate,
doesn't mean they're understanding or caring, you know, like Stephen
Hawkins said, the famous physicist one. Oh yeah, he said,
you know when the superior technological right, thank you the Americas.
It didn't did well for the native.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
And usually it doesn't. And we're well, let's put it
this way, we're on the short end of that stick.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely, And I think that's why our government
leans so heavily on developing the defensive technology that we do.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
Maybe because everything.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I mean, like I said, it's it's it's how's this?
I guess because sometimes as humans we want to think
everything every sentient being has the same moral compass. And
I say, you know what, when a line goes after
a gazelle and eats it the gazelle, I think it's
the evil light that's gonna eat me. But it's just
doing what doesn't see it as a right or wrong,

(32:34):
or as an evil or not evil. It's just being
what it is. Okay, we might see it, like you said, experimentation, abductions,
mutilations to us and for us humans that's evil, but
for them, they're like, wh y, yeah, that's a big deal.
You know this is we do this all over the place,

(32:55):
you know, so we kind of like we need to
stop with that. Well, we would never do that, or
you or when you see stuff like Star Trek the
prime directive and it's like that's a TV.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Show exactly, the prime directive doesn't exist. And I mentioned
that in my books, like it is a TV so
there's no prime directed Yeah, and I tell people too
they said, well, you know they they're here to observed,
not interfere. And I'd say in my book, look, if
this alien species with this alien technology were to come

(33:26):
down and interfere like this, Hey, we have a cure
for cancer that will get all those little kids out
of Saint Jude Hospital, right, would you want that interference? Hell? Yes, yes.
If they came down and said, hey, we can tell
you how to get rid of all your nuclear waist
that's poisoning the planet for tens of thousands of years,
you want to know how to solve that problem. We

(33:47):
can help you do it. Yes, interfere forget the prime
directive becomes well.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
One of the I was reading one time in arg
which iought was really interesting because you know, everybody thinks
of the UFOs or ET's a quest. You know, they
look at like the movies like Independence Day, that there's
gonna be a bunch of ships. And they said, oh,
they don't have to do that. All they have to
do is signal a message something with which reminded me
what you just said, Hey, we have we have we're

(34:15):
gonna give you as a sign of our good you know,
we're here to help you the cure for cancer. That's good,
all right, beam it down to us. And they say
that all they have to do is beam in basically
as basic as it sounds, like a virus into all
the computer because remember everything now is run by computers.

(34:36):
And that's it. We're toast, we're done. They don't have
to come in with a bunch of spaceships and and
battle it out and uh. And they said that even
if let's say, even if let's say some leaders or
scientists will say, look, we have to be cautious. We
shouldn't download or accept anything, because we really don't know.

(34:58):
They said that public opinion onion of the Space Brothers
will overcome the objections to go. No, they're here to
help us. They're here to send us the cure for
cancer or whatever or fill in the blank. Take it,
take it, and then again end result we're toasted. Yes, yes,

(35:19):
that that that that that thing, and it's like nobody
wants to think of that or what was the other
thing or that they do? You know, well you know
we've got this, Well we don't want it. Well, if
you don't, then we're gonna do it. I mean they
say that there's you know, this idea that sometimes we
think of ets having to come and battle it out

(35:39):
with our you know, all these they not really there's
a unfortunately we're so reliant on computer. Well that's another thing,
computers and AI, which that's on the horizon for us
that it's yeah, it's not that difficult. Let's face it.
Most people now can't find their way without the GPS

(36:01):
on their phone. What are we talking about. Some people
don't even know how to read about and I mean
that's as basic as it gets. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
I write about in one of my books is the
rise of AI and the spiritual implications of that.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yes, what do you think? What do you think? Do
you think? Because you know what some of these early
sci fi writers, John like Asimov always did their stories
with a slant of AI or robotics becoming sentient as
in soul. That's what you know, sentience equivalent. Do you
think that's possible?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Oh? Absolutely I do. And there have been instances that
are increasingly skewed that way. And one example, and I
write about those my book, one of my books, Morgan Spurlock,
Who's dead now? Who did Super Size Me? And all
these other documentary the documentary on robotics and AI, and

(36:59):
these researchers had made these little tiny robots, little tiny
wield robots, right, and they programmed them to do certain tasks,
and they set them up a little charging station, and
the little robots could do their little task, come back
to the charging station on their own when they sense
they were low on power, and recharge them go about
their task with no input, with no change in programming,

(37:24):
with no precedent for this. Only certain not all of them,
but only certain ones of the little robots began to
try and haul the power at the power station and
not let the other robust charge. Really, yes, so, and
they had no clue why, They had no clue how,
there was nothing in the programming to account for it.

(37:46):
So there is this absolute evidence that things are becoming
sentient of the Godfather of Ai. I don't call his
name right now, just go to Google and put in
the Godfather of Ai. He's the guy that basically kind
of kicked all the and has all the knowledge and
everything about this. The god said, folks, we are waging

(38:08):
deep over our head and we need to pump the
brakes on this now.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yes, I haven't just seen lately, like about a week
or two weeks ago. They it was I can't remember
what the name of the program is. Well, you know,
basically they feed in information and that it tried to blackmail.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
See I'm not sure if it was chat Cheepy too,
if it was another program. Maybe it was. We're basically
and they fed a false information like one of the
people was having like an extramarital affair, and it kind
of was aware that they were going to turn it off,
and it started trying to blackmail him.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, I read that.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I'm gonna let the cat out of the bag that
you've been a naughty boy. Don't ter me. And I'm
thinking to myself, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
That is that awareness.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
A machine doesn't care. You know, my vacuum cleaner doesn't
care when I turn it off like it's coming off,
you know, and never like like like runs away from me.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah. And that's the thing, you know. People have to
realize that we're not dealing with artificial intelligence. We're dealing
with machine intelligence. Yes, because my little dog laying down
here sleep helps me with my podcast interviews. He's he's
not artificial intelligence. He's intelligent. He's just exactly intelligence. I

(39:33):
write my books now, and it's so funny. I'll do
on a side here and come back to machine intelligence.
But an interesting side here is back in the day,
the wizards and the shamans and the priestesses and the
witches and the psychics and everybody used to say that
plants and trees and things in nature had consciousness, awareness

(39:58):
and feelings of this, and that everybody see your nuts rockets,
rocket stree, just a tree. And now mainstream science and
sources for this and my book from scientific sources, mainstream
science says trees have memory. They remember the times they've
gone through and what they've experienced. They communicate with each other. Yes,

(40:20):
plants signal one side of the plants growing over here
will signal the other side of plants either's a predator,
release your chemicals or whatever. They communicate underground, they electrodes
to fungi and the mushrooms communicate. Play this music and
all these things.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Oh yeah, they they've even done it. They've played they
play certain music around plants. Yeah did you think? Okay,
how are they hearing? There's no ears, but they respond
to certain.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Music, and plants will respond to danger. You who electrodes
up to the plants, bring a plane next to it,
it goes wild. They have cognizance, they have consciousness. All
this so going back to machine intelligence, there is intelligence
out there. Plan intelligence isn't our intelligence, but it is intelligence. Okay,

(41:13):
oh I just saw things today. They these researchers didn't
experiment with ants.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
One of the things to determine self awareness is if
you put a mirror in front of something and it recognizes, oh,
that's me in there.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
They did this experiment with ants, and they put these
little blue dots on their on their heads, and then
they put a mirror down, put the ant from the mirror,
and the end we'll go up to the mirror and
then we'll go, ah, I just crap on my head.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
It had the self awareness to know that that didn't
belong and that they were seeing themselves, and they didn't
reach toward the mirror.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I wouldn't say, oh right exactly.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
So even answered this intelligence. Now, the thing of it is,
we're not coming up on an artifice intelligence. We're coming
up on a machine intelligence, right, And what's the machine
going to do when it does become sentient? And there
are those in the No sin As The Godfather and
others that have suggested that some operating systems, some machines,

(42:17):
may have already become sentient, may have already become so aware.
So we're in scary.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Times and well, you know what, if it's that smart,
it's like, man, keep it quiet. We're well. And I
tell everybody you know, because I go by Hollywood, because
you know that's basically it precedes or sometimes it prophesizes.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Things exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
You know, certain movies that ever made robots look bad,
they quickly fixed it. Remember the first alien movie that
came out where at the end the problem was the
science officer was a robot, right, and he thought the
crew was expendable. And he's like, because he's gonna fly
ship back with the alien on board, and too bad

(42:58):
for all of you. And at the end, you know,
she she this is where the heroin Ellen Ripley, she
becomes very very wary of robotics. Right, what do you
think they did in the movie number two? Movie number two?
The robot that they put on there saves the little
girl from falling off the ship. Right, Okay they they
In other words, they've always been trying to steer us

(43:19):
towards the robotics is good. Same thing. You look at Terminator,
the first Terminator, which was a great movie, robotics guy
in it. You know, we're all doomed. What are they doing?
And Terminator number two they send back the terminator. But
now he's the savior. Yeah, you have the other guy,

(43:39):
but really the one that saves the day. And in all,
as a matter of fact, all the other Terminator movies
and all the other alien movies, the ones that saved
the day are the robots. So once they make that
mistake that they go oh no, no, no, no, don't make people.
You know, we got with it. No, they're gonna they're
gonna save us. Hey, you know they calling that director

(44:01):
of the producer. You guys need doing number two of this,
and you got to fix this exactly because.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
We do not understand, we don't have any inkling of
what machine intelligence is going to do when it becomes
self aware. Oh well, we've already seen the desire for
self preservation.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
I don't know if you've seen the video, but there's
a video over these people for working on a humanoid
robot and it went wackling.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yes, yes, I saw that.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I was like, holy Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
If you want to really see something scary, go to
Boston Dynamics. Okay, Boston Dynamics website and look at the robots.
I've already developed these things freestanding, do cartwheels, back, yes,
jump up on things, lift things, do things, da da
da da. And one of the most frightening things I saw,

(44:53):
and this is this is on the YouTube I saw.
Elon Musk has developed his own robot and it incorporates
a eye and it learns as it goes from within itself.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Without additional right, it's yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
It's stacking these blocks, and it's taking them, and it's
taking them from one thing, and it's putting them into
the receptacle over here. And it grabs a block and
puts it over here. And one of the blocks when
he puts it in there, it like temples over a skew.
And the robot box starts to reach back to the
next block, and you see him stop and he looks

(45:31):
down at the block that's a skew, and he goes
back sets that block block aright, and then.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yes, yes, but you know how they're getting about it everybody,
because they're telling everybody, you know what in the future.
Because of course most people are a little bit wigged
out with this because they see like this is go
and they tell you know how, they're telling everybody, you
know because soon everybody will have a robot in their
house and they're going to do a heavy lifting and
all the nuisance work. So a lot of people are go, sure,

(46:02):
I don't know if you remember, I'm gonna use Hollywood again.
You remember I think it was I robot that basically,
you know, when they're going to replace the old robots,
which are sentient, by the way, and save the day
because they're gonna get the new ones because they're gonna
give them a download.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
People don't realize, you know, that's the same thing they
do now with ev cars. They download certain like even
to a computer. They could do that. It's not that
far fetched.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It's not that far fetched at all. And we're very
very close to it.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
You know. Yeah, once everybody's got a nice little robot
in their house doing the vacuum cleaning and mowing the lawn,
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
It's like I always wonder there's And this is an
example I've give in one of my books. I'm talking
about AI and robotics. It's like one of the Boston
Dynamics robots is autonomous. It walks on its own and
can open door, can go outside, do all these things.
So it's inside and there's walking towards the door and
it's going to open the door to go out, and

(46:56):
there's a guy standing there with a stick and he
pushes the door and these are to test the robots
and the right right, so the robots like, and he
goes back open the door and the guy slams the
ship and the robot goes back, and my thing is
what happens if that's the moment of sensions and the
robots soon of a bitch and turns around and just

(47:17):
clocks the guy.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Yeah, exactly the door here.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
You know. Yes, we're not looking at any of the practicalities.
But one of the things I write about my book
is about the spiritual implications of a robotics. It's right,
spirits can already maybe sounds appear in our homes, they
can move off and slam doors, they can do all
these other things. What happens when spirits want to use

(47:43):
robotics or.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
A right as that way?

Speaker 2 (47:47):
So, you know, we've opened up a can of worms
here which we may not be able to come back
from if we don't institute some safeguards very very soon.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Well, you know what I don't, and this is because
you know, you've got the you know, you get a
lot of people, especially the ones with deep pockets, are
into this immortality or longevity. And as a matter of fact,
I was reading another article where some of them spend
I'm not kidding you, thousands and thousands and thousands of
dollars every month just taking you know, certain you know,
chemicals or things that they do. Yeah, but I'm thinking

(48:17):
to myself, you know what you remember? You know how
you remember like before a while back, it was you
know where these people were taking after their death. They
were removing their heads and they were crying, you know,
putting them in cry for right, like to so hey
in the future, I'm thinking myself, I think. And then
now the other thing is that they're saying, well, we're

(48:38):
going to clone bodies. Let's say you want to clone
your body. We'll take out the part of the brain
that makes it sentient and just make it, you know,
basically breathe and all the things. And then in case,
in case you ever need a body part, you're not
going to reject it. I say, I see down the
road where they will figure out some or they will
think somehow like we're going to be able to take

(49:00):
but I guess your brain or your your awareness and
stick into a robot.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I can see that. I can see them trying to
do something like that. Whether they're able to do it
or not, I don't know. Yeah, And then you ask yourself, okay,
does this piece of metal because it does it have
a soul or like you were saying, you know, I'm
sure you've heard of inanimate objects that get an attachment
of a spirit, of a ghost or whatever. So who's

(49:31):
to say that a robot does the same thing. Can't
help and happen with a robot?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Exactly right, exactly right. And I think some things inanimate objects,
I think they have an inherent energy, yes, something all
the wrong. I don't think a soul is necessary for consciousness.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
No, no.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
And I write in my fourth book, The Crying Tree
and the Magic Rock, I write about the the rocks
that one was an airport that came to me. For
those who don't know what an apport is, it's something
that the other side and sends to you out of
the blue that just appears it wasn't there, okay, And
this rock came to me as an airport to begin

(50:14):
to manifest images, symbols, letters, and then words on its surface.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
So that's an indication of a communication and sentience. You
wouldn't say that the rock as a whole necessarily, but
it certainly has us awareness and this ability to communicate.
This has been something that I've experienced for decades, but
not to this degree as a blak. And I write
about that in The Crying Tree and the Magic Rock,

(50:44):
my fourth book, and it absolutely blew my mind because
it made me aware again of this intelligence, not human intelligence,
but intelligence and the ability to communicate with me with
human intelligence in the natural realm, in the natural world,
and the things that we take for granted, have this sentience,

(51:08):
have this ability to communicate. And eventually this rock wound
up writing my name on its surface why, and it
communicated symbols to me that were relevant to things that
I had done and experienced in my life. It just
it's just mind blowing. And so this stepped me often

(51:28):
an entirely different new question and to explore this and
to understand as much as I can about it, and
to give people this understanding that we need to have
this reverence for all life and not just take things
for granted, but to understand that, you know, Okay, look,
we may have to cut down a tree to make
a house or whatever, but can we do that in

(51:50):
the process that's respectful and that's understanding and with the
least amount of damage to things as possible. I don't
think that we're to live on this planet in a vacuum.
The planet is as it is and it's a very
difficult place to live. And while I was pondering that,
one day, I was sitting out in one of our

(52:11):
state parks here in Florida, and I was thinking, how
repulsed I am by the food chain. And I am
repulsed by the food chain. I hate it. I hate
the very concept of it because it's very cruel. And
while I was sitting there on the bench pondering these things,
I've been pondering these things from a spiritual perspective for
a long time. Okay, And this, well, one of the

(52:36):
things that happened, I'll give you a lead up to this.
And one of the things that had happened. In my courtyard,
there were a ton of lizards and a ton of frogs,
and they would come and they would gather around me
when I sat out there. They would sometimes climb on
me or jump on me and sit there with me.
So they were interacting with me in in a loving way,

(52:56):
and you know, a friendship, boy, compassionate way. And I
have friends with all these little bookers. And there was
in our bedroom on the bedroom window, on the window screen,
there was a lizard that always came at night and
climbed on the window screen and went to sleep there,
stayed there all right, And so I would always put

(53:19):
my hand up, send him energy and talk to him.
That was my little friend. And so one night he's
sitting there on the screen and I'm fixing the good
to bed and I'm like, good night, little friend. I
love you to take care. I'll see you in the morning.
And this crow comes flying in air brakes, grabs the
fits through with his talons, kicks off the window and

(53:40):
takes off with him. And I'm like, super, come back,
my God, And I thought, how cruel this is. This
is my friend, this is my moddy. Well do you
has food? You know? And so going back to this
this whole you know, food chain thing, it just disgusted

(54:01):
me and it just hurt me and and I know
things have got to be good. Lord, what a cruel system.
And so I'm sitting there in our state park, one
of our state parks. I'm sitting on this bench and
there's this redtail hawk up there and he's been eyeing me.
And I have this special spiritual relationship and dramatic paranormal
relationship with birds. He's been sitting there eyeing me, and

(54:27):
he swoops down and he grabs us the lizard from
off the ground and he goes back up the tree
and he gulps it down, making sure that I'm watching him,
making sure that I'm scared me in the eye. And
then he goes like, do you get it? Don't understand?
This is this is just the way it is, man, right,

(54:49):
this is what we did. This is how we live.
And it was like, holy cow, you know what a moment.
But it don't mean I have to.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Like it, you know. But the only I tell you
what because I'm kind of like a soft spot when
it comes to that. But then I'm thinking a lot
of times that you see that the predator, doesn't you think, okay,
if they don't do that, then you will get overrun
with whatever their their food.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Sources would I don't know, you know what.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Growing up, And I'll tell you what. I've got like
this area that like a little gazebo, and I grow
vegetables and I've got plants, and I've got a bunch
of When those cold weather comes in, I bring in
a bunch of lizards and they spent inside because because
you know, especially when it gets really really cold, some
of these plants I know, I can't leave them out there.
They won't they won't last. So everybody hitchhikes a ride

(55:36):
on the planet. I was like, okay, hang out, hang out.
It's okay. It's warm in here, that's okay. But yeah,
I you know, sometimes you look at that and it's like,
you know what they they they how's this? But I
will when the crow's doing that, he's not doing it
to be evil or to be malicious. It's there's no
like I'm just gonna kill the lizard just to kill

(55:59):
the lizard.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
But you know, it just it gets you thinking about
the whole system, and it is a cruel system. It's
a very hard system.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Well can you imagine if hopefully the the ets are
not looking at us that way too?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Oh my god, you know so let me I have
to tell everybody one more interesting thing about our government.
Our goverment used to give us the excuse and they
kind of quasi still do that. You know, we we
didn't have the technology to activately capture good photos of

(56:37):
these craft of the beings or whatever and the other Well,
there's a couple of very interesting things here. Like I said,
I've been privileged to know some people in the intelligence community,
and I've been privileged to know some of the finest
UFO researchers in the world personally. And two interesting things
here a documentary I saw with my own eyes. This

(56:59):
documentary was on TV and this was a long time ago,
and this documentary interviewed different former heads of the CIA
and Central Intelligence Agency, okay, and this one former director, Now,
I witnessed this with my own prigging eyes. I even
recorded in some beef says statement, we moved. I don't

(57:20):
know where it's at, but I witness this with the
whole eyes. This one former director said that back during
the era of the SR seventy one Blackbird, which was
our premier spyplane at the time, and if you don't
know what it is, google it. The SR seventy one.
The SR seventy one flew in subspace. It flew so high, okay,

(57:43):
and it flew so fast. No bullet, no missiles, no plane,
no nothing can shoot it, catch it, take it down.
And this former CIA had said, if the SR seventy one,
if you took two golf balls and put them a
couple of feet apart, putting marine and the SR seventy one,

(58:03):
we're in some space at speed and took a picture
of that, putting greene. When the film was developed, you
could clearly read which golf call was a titleist, which
one was a McGregor, and you know that. Come on now,
wait he said, that's decades old technology just to manage
what we can do now.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Of course, so of course.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
You know we have we've had that technology.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
For a long Yeah. This thing that we don't know
or how could we you know, there's no way, we
think And again it's like or another, let's let's go
down this road, John, what if they really don't know?
What if not? Because I haven't tried, but can you
imagine and I've you know, thought about this before and
I've said it. Let's say they have un used conference.

(58:45):
Finally people are fed up, like we want the truth,
you know whatever. And you know people are going to
be asking, well, what do you know about them? Or
you know? How many of them? We don't know? What
do you mean? Oh? Where did they come from? We
don't know. Are they friendly for us? We don't know?
You know another word? Can you imagine how worse it
would be if the government, not only the US government,

(59:07):
whatever worldwide governments that we don't know. You people would
wig out. I mean, you don't know if they're friendly,
they're not. What are they here for? We don't know
how many are there, We don't know. Have they been
here long? We don't know. You know, what do you
mean you haven't back engineered all this great technology? Not really.
We kind of like figured a lot of stuff on
our own.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
Right, you know, I think psychically I have tried to
really probe this and really delve into this, and I've
talked with a lot of other people in like the
intelligence communities and military and so on and so forth
that almost pretty much confirm what I'm seeing here. And
what I'm saying is that there is a group within

(59:50):
the military, the government's military industrial complex, whatever, there is
a group that does know right. It may not know everything,
but they know enough. They know enough that, Okay, here's
where these guys are coming from.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Here's right. They know the skinny on it. But then
you always hear that they're like a group onto themselves
that they don't have to tell anybody, like they're so contained.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Yeah, you know, because there is this privilege and there
is this secret state within the government where they do this.
And people say I get some tickle. People say, you
couldn't hide this. We had we kept secret the atomic bomb.
We built a whole city and send people out there
the atomic bomb. Nobody knew and nobody told. And most

(01:00:37):
of these people one of my best friends on the
entire planet. When I write about him in one of
my books. He was a a Air Force major. He
worked for the NSA training as a fighter pilot, and
he took his oath of secrecy and his top secret
clearance seriously. He took everything to the grave. He wouldn't

(01:01:00):
discuss a thing with me. He would not tell me
one single thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
But you know what, I also think that I could
keep going, keep going, And I'll tell you what I
think about part of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
So you know it is possible to keep these secrets.
People say, well, it's not possible. It is possible. It's
infinitely possible. And you know, I think that there is this, this,
this group within government that does know. I had I
had a vision one day. Okay, readings from my clients.

(01:01:33):
I tell them, I say, okay, this isn't take it
to the bank thing. I'm telling you there is no
uncertainty here. If I'll tell you this, take it to
the bank. Well, I had one of these take it
to the bank moments the other day. He just kind
of came out of the blue and I saw some
I don't know if he was a scientist and independent contractor,
if he was in the military. He was an underground

(01:01:55):
bunker and he was sending communication signals to a and
not ours alien spacecraft and there was communication so and
I had that as they take it to the bank moment,
I was like, holy cap. Look. And it didn't surprised
me that much because in our congressional hearings we have
had vetted, verifiable, reputable people come out and say we

(01:02:20):
have crashed alien craft recovered, we have biologics, we have
alien bodies recovered. Right, that's congressional hearings by reputable, vetted people.
So you know you can't have that and somebody doesn't
know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
I'll tell you what I think is the people that
really know, besides their oath. I'm thinking some of these people,
you know how you don't call the bluff because I
think that besides taking the oath, yeah, you're not going
to say they're told if you ever talk about this ever,
even when you're an old man or whatever. We're going

(01:02:57):
to go away with you, and we're going to assume
you told your family about this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
Well, and you know it's a kind of scenario, not
going to call the bluff on him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I gotta tell you, I gotta tell you. I went
to back in. Uh oh, god, this has been so
long ago, I'd have to look up the date. There
was nineteen ninety eight. There was a leg encounter ninety
eight and Roswell Okay, So I went and to give
a psychic greetings and Stanton Friedman lecture there. I got

(01:03:26):
to see other people there, and so one morning I
got up, I went down to the Roswell Ufo Museum
and it wasn't open yet. So I was standing out
on the sidewalk waiting for it to open, looking through
the door of the windows whatever, and there weren't much
for traffic. And this lady came walking toward me down
the sidewalk while I was ordering out there waiting for

(01:03:48):
the museum to open, and she smiled not and I
smiled nodding, and she stopped. She said, you waiting for
the museum open? I said yeah. She said have you
been here before? And I said, well, no, man was
a matter of fact. I said, I was born in
New Mexico, but I've never lived in New Mexico and
this is my first time to Roswell and that's my
first time to the UFO. And she goes, oh, she said,

(01:04:11):
what do you do? I thought, oh, boy, here we go.
And I said, I say it. And I said, well,
I'm a professional psychic and I'm doing readings at a
end Encounter ninety eight. And she stopped and she got
this pensive look on her face and she said, well,
then you'll believe what I'm about to tell you. I
was like, oh boy, now you got my attention. I said, okay,

(01:04:32):
what is this right? So she said, my brother and
I when we were kids, we were out plane and
we saw the UFO fly over and crash and I'm like,
holy friggin cow wow. And she said, we knew it
wasn't a plane. We knew it wasn't a bloom or

(01:04:53):
a blimper, right, it was an alien craft, not our technology.
And she said the way it was swerving and wabbling
and moving through the air, we knew it was in trouble.
And we saw it go off in the distance and
crash wow. And I said, my god, you were an
eye witness to the roswell UFO crash. I said, yes,

(01:05:15):
have you ever done interviews are talking about it, or
had gone on TV or magazine or whatever? And I said,
why not? Because after that happened, there were people that
we knew that we're in the military. There were people
that we knew that were in government. There were people
that we didn't know who the hell or what the
hell they were. They went around the town and they

(01:05:37):
knocked on people's doors and they said, if you speak
a word of this to anyone for any reason, you
and your family's bones are going to be found out
in the desert.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
And I was like, oh my god. And she said,
you know, if you're a pretty rough marked old boy,
and you got a rough hide and you had to
praise of the devil himself, you're going to say bring
it home. I don't care. But if you've got a
wife and kids, exactly, you're not going to talk. You
don't want your family harm. Yes, And about that she

(01:06:11):
looked up and down the street. A couple of times
like this, I've said too much. I'm gonna go nice
to meet you buy and ran off.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Let me Tason. You know, Mac Brazil was the guy
that took the the wrospell. He's the one I was
reading that he thought he was he thought he was
doing a good thing, and they said that, you know,
they took him in and he came back a couple
of days, and they said he was like a changed man.
He said that when he found and he was talking
to people like and he was saying that he and
apparently he had found weather balloons and stuff on this

(01:06:41):
property before, like in other words, he knew what he
was looking at. So he says that when he came back,
he said he was like a changed man, and that
people would try to talk to him about it, and
he wouldn't talk about it. And I think he commented
once that the worst thing I'd ever done was to
take that, uh, whatever he found to bring it in,

(01:07:01):
Like in other words, he never he thought he was
doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
How's that yep?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
And he like it was it turned out to be
that this was that he never became the person that
he had been. And that's why everybody thinks that they
threatened him and threatened his family and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
I talked to some of the foremost UFO researchers that
we have now, and one's her and her husband have
become good friends with us. And I asked him if
they had ever been threatened like the men in black
scenarios anything like that. All of them had been threatened,

(01:07:38):
and in one of the most bizarre scenarios, one of
them was in a store, supermarket or something shopping one
night and noticed this like this weird like men in
black type guy behind her whatever, and went out of
the store and they were standing outside and they had

(01:08:04):
this like this young kid or something with them whatever,
it was right, and they said come here, and she
went over and it was like the Sadian hybrid. Okay,
they allowed her to see this thing. And then they said,
don't ever speak a word of this. I'll never tell
anybody what you've seen. And and of course she was like,

(01:08:25):
I'm telling everybody on the planet. It's like, but all
of them have been threatened. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
And from what I think that some people, how's this
Number one They wonder is anybody gonna believe it? Then
number two is they're not bluffing. In other words, because
if somebody threatens you and you think there's no way
you can do that. Come on, but let's face it,
if you've got the government, you know that there's plenty

(01:08:54):
of ways to get rid of somebody. Oh yeah, especially
if you're a nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
At the very least discredit them like they're just credited.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Oh they've done that a lot. They've done that a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
And people discredited Bobart of the study. Yes, if you really, really,
really dig hard, indeed into every Bob Blazar story and
video and interview and everything, you can find this guy
is the real deal.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Yeah. And they've I've heard that they even erased them
from school records and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
You know, and people think, oh, our government wouldn't do
that or could Oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
God, I think unfortunate. A lot of people are waking
up and going, uh, well maybe yeah, yeah, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
That's experienced at the what was it the experiment where
they experimented of the most people without their knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Well, no, the thing is that people that that that
thing that excuse that these have national security. A lot
of people are saying no, no, no, no no no no no, no,
none of this national security that doesn't pardon you from
doing like that experimentation. I'm people without their knowledge or
anything like that. But yeah, of course that that that
happens a lot of times. And I think also with

(01:10:07):
the advent of the internet, John, a lot more people
are reading. Whereas before you have to get that book
and then if it went out of print, you couldn't
read it, and that information kind of like went away.
Now with the internet, it's there. Yeah, it's there. Even
if it's something old, you can still get it, you
can still find it, look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
And the thing is, you know, people have to be
careful in their research because there's a lot of notes and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Phonies and oh yeah, of course, of course, and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
You got to weigh everything. You have to look at it,
of course. And I mean, you know, the things I
write about in my books that I've experienced, you can say, well,
my god, this guy is off his rocker, because it's
absolutely phenomenal. But you know, other people have experienced this
with me with their own eyes. Right, do you have camera.
We've captured it on audio, you know, we've captured it

(01:10:53):
other ways, and we have these odd witnesses do these things,
so it's real, it's there and actually happened. And that's
always been my benchmark and trying to explain and get
the people to understand is Look, if something exists, it's
got to be able to manifest on the physical training plenty,

(01:11:16):
and it has to practical results somehow. It can't be
this guy by and by the type of thing. It's
like in my readings, I don't tell my clients or
you're going.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
To be I lost you on audio. Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I'm hearing you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Oh I lost them on audio.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Oh yeah, I'm here and the okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Can you hear me? Y froze, I cannot hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
You can't hear me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
All of a sudden you cut out. I don't show
you're not muted.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yeah, so I don't know what's happening. I hear you. Okay,
hold on, it's the CIA.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
You know what justin' mm hm god?

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Everything everything's showing fine? Yeah, where'd you go? Now? Everything's
showing fine here. I can hear you. Everything's up and

(01:12:29):
running here on the on all the settings. Everything's good.
Wait for her to come back. Are the aliens? Jemmy
us is a probably not probably a technical malfunction, but

(01:12:51):
at any rate, let's see things that's running, that's running
that's running, that's ruining. Okay, well, guys, we'll sit here
and stir at each other on Martine gets back slaunch it.

(01:13:39):
Hey go and everybody. We're seeing if we can fix
the technical difficulties.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
H Okay, can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
I can hear you? Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Now? I can hear you. I had I don't know
what it was. I went and I just unplugged my
USB on my head phone. I couldn't think of anything,
and I have plugged it into another USB port. But
when you do that, you know, basically you disturbed the setting.
So I had to like leave the studio and come
back in and Okay, you musn't been saying something you
should have because that happened out of the blue. Okay,

(01:14:39):
paranormal sabotage.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
It was a c oh to. I have to tell
you something, fuddy. There was this one podcast that I
was interviewed on once, and one time I was just
in the sidebar in the chat communicating, talking and and

(01:15:01):
while they were reading somebody else and there was somebody
that we had vetted okay, the government basically an intelligence
agency type of thing. Okay, we knew this person was
who they said they were. We knew they were the
real deal. Okay, they came on in the chat and

(01:15:22):
they said, just to let you know, all the alphabet
agencies watched this interview, watch this show, and they know
all of your names and all of you are.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
No need to be paranoid now, no need.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
To be paranoid.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
Well okay, well okay, now that like, let me rethink
these questions we were going to discuss here. What information
we're going to discuss here? Yeah, I was like, man,
that'll put like a everybody is like it's unfortunate as
a matter of fact. The other no, Like a couple
of days ago, I was watching the thing that they're

(01:16:00):
doing now on the basically on facial recognition. Well the
just you know, because you always think of facial recognition
as very high tech for something like if you're going
into some location, like a secured, secured location. But they
were saying, how even like you go to all the
regular stores and everything and they've got the facial recognition.

(01:16:23):
They say that it's not only just like let when
you enter, you know, they say that they even are
trying to scan while you're shopping, just to see if
you're happy or not. And I was like, that's I
hate that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
What is that? I know? I know it's bizarre.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
No, I'm telling you it's like living under a microscope.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
And it's like, yeah, it really actually is. And you know,
I tell people say, look, one of the things that
we have to do. And I try and teach people
this in my books and help people this, and especially
in my third book, Twenty Ways to Increase Your Psychic Abilities.
There's tools and techniques that you can use in there
to connect with the other side in safe and positive
way is to advance your life, make your life better.

(01:17:08):
And I tell people say, look, we have to reconnect
with spirit, with nature, with these things. If we're going
to survive all of this technological nonsense that's coming upon us,
we have to reconnect with that and we all that energy.
And one really interesting thing I do communicate with nature,

(01:17:30):
spirits and all these other type things, and one of
the things they have communicated to me is that they
are upset byes and the extraterrestrials and their activities in
certain venues here on earth because it kind of disturbs
their energies and the natural order of things, and they're

(01:17:51):
not happy with that, right so I thought that was
really interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
So you know what, at the end of the day,
we're earth links. Yeah, we're earthlinks. They're earthlink. You know,
we all belong We're all from the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
Earth, we all belong to the Earth. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Right, so then they don't. So we're we're a product
of this planet, for better or for worse.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
But we are exactly exact, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
So that that's one of the things that sometimes people
forget about, like they want to put like humans aside
from the rest of nature, and it's like, no, sorry,
we're part.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
Of the Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
We're all Earthlinks, we're all in it together. Let me
ask you, John, what about what was the title this
last book, the one that you said that you just
published it, you just got out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
The Cansack Ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
What is that about?

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Well, it's more true paranormal experiences. In my books, I
write about things that I have personally experienced, Okay, what
they have taught me, and what I can pass on
to the readers to say, Okay, this is why you
can learn from this, or this is how you can
live better, or how you can connect more easily with
the other side and get guidance and get protection, get help,

(01:18:57):
get answers and just kind of open up the bigger
picture to everybody. Let everybody know that psychic powers are real,
the paranormal is real, all these other things are real.
And you know, we've been taught through religion, We've been
talked through the fake ghost unders on TV, everything, the
demons and everything scary everything. Ah, yes, that's not the

(01:19:20):
case I have done. I started doing paranormal investigations when
I was eleven years old and I've done hundreds of
them now and I've never had a demon attacked me.
I've never been hit, bit scratch, told to get out.
Whatever threatened, it just does not happened. And I've done
hundreds of these things. Yes, And you know what I

(01:19:41):
do is I tell people say, look, there are beings, spirits, entities,
intelligences out there. We don't even know what they are, right,
they are and they have will, They have volition, they
have emotion, they have purpose just like we do. And
some of them maybe a little leedgy. You know, there's

(01:20:03):
people you can go up to, punch them on the
shoulder and tell them a stupid joke and they laugh.
There's other people you do that too. Look at your
real sterns. They get the hell away from me. You
do that too. They may they've made deck you people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:18):
The job. It's the same way as the spiritual realm.
It doesn't mean they're demonic, doesn't mean they're evil. It
just means this is the personality. And I always tell people,
I say, look, the way to approach a paranormal investigation.
First and foremost, you go in with utmost respect. You
don't curse the spirits. You don't use the spirits.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
You've got that confrontation stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah, no confrontation. You go in and you introduce yourself.
You tell them who you are, why you're there. Is
there something that I can communicate to you that's temple?
Is there something you can communicate to me that's helpful?
How can we learn from each other? And so on
and so forth. Don't automatically assume that the spirits that
are there are earth bound or traptor can't cross over. Look,

(01:21:01):
if you've died, you've crossed over. If you were not
human and you're over there, you're already over there. Anyways.
The guy that one of the best things ever, the
what is it, the biggest ship out in California, Saint Mary's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Is that the Queen Mary.

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
Queen Mary, Queen Mary. Thanks, Yes, yeah, the Queen Mary,
and everybody does a big paranormal investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
And he was telling me about this, and he said,
everybody goes and there's this little girl by the I
think the pool area. Yes, yes, yeah, Oh oh honey,
go to the light, go to the other side. You
can be free. You don't have to be trapped here, right, Okay.
The next tour group that comes in, the next paranormal
investigators that come in, guess who's there? The little girl

(01:21:46):
go to the other side is okay, you don't have
to be trapped here. Guess what the next group that
comes in the and so you know, whatever spirit this
is is on the other side going.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
You know, sometimes I think some of them leave because
they get tied being asked, what's your name? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
You, So we have to we have to and you
have to understand. Are there spirits on the other side
that are non human that have sentences of humor? Oh?
You better believe that there are. And so, but you
go in with respect, and you go in with the
understanding that some of these beings who are not human
never were human have powers beyond our comprehensions. Sure, other

(01:22:27):
down the road than we can are more intelligent than
we are. Sure, And it doesn't mean they're evil or
malevolent or demonic or whatever. It just means I have
a higher capacity. And some of these may have a
little less tolerance for the jab and the shoulder and
the stupid patients, the patients the patient show. So you
have to have understanding, you have to have compassion, you

(01:22:48):
have to have respect. And I've done that in every
paranormal investigation I've ever done, and resultantly I've been treated accordingly.
I've learned a lot of useful information over the years
that's been very helpful to me, helped me and my
spiritual growth, helped me to pass along things to others
that was helped on their spiritual growth. And so you know,
that's that's one thing we have to overcome. We have

(01:23:10):
to understand. We have to get rid of this false
image of what a paranormal investigation is and what interacting
with the other side is. And that's one of the
things I try to address in my books. And it's
it's been helpful because readers have written left or be
us written to me personally and said, John, you've taken
away the fear of the spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Me as something John, you did your family? Did you
have other people in the family that were psychic that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:36):
That's not as strongly as I am.

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Okay, okay to a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Degree, but not as strongly as I am. I was
the strongest one in the family. Fortunately, I grew up
in a household where it was encouraged and respectful, right, Okay,
So that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Helped, you know, Yeah, that's where I was going because
I know sometimes kids when they're growing up, the parents
I best ignore it or not tell no, don't talk
about that, or something along those lines, even though they
might themselves might have some type of psychic abilities.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Yeah, and I think, you know, so many people are
peerful of that, and it's like, and I get I
get so tickled. I'm like, I've done way over two
hundred interviews now in a four year period of time,
and a lot of the interviews on YouTube where the
you can see the chat on the sidebar there you'll
see people it's like, Oh, this guy's a Tulas satan

(01:24:26):
and doesn't know it. Oh this guy's influenced by demons.
Blah blah blah, oh this and all that. It's like,
oh my god. I'm an ordained minister and I'm an
appociate pastor of the small church for a very short
period of time. I know that Bible inside that port
and back. We're betting these guys do yes. And I've
done this, all this investigation, experimentation, everything else since I
was eleven years old. I'm not a tool of Satan.

(01:24:48):
I'm not a demon. I'm not influenced by demons. That's
not the people get caught up on. And it's not
just us. We grow up with the grip Bible. So
that's the way it is. Our in church. Paranormal experiences
are okay, but you're out of church paranormal experiences or
domonic And it's not just us. It's that way with
every religion. And I remember a client and India one

(01:25:11):
time that I was doing and reading for and he said, John,
he said, help me here, please. He said, I've got
to ask you something. He said, I was raised you know,
And he said, I know my religion does not work,
but he said, I can't let go of it. Why yes,
And I said, because all of us, regardless of where

(01:25:32):
we're raised in the world, and what religion were brought
up in most of us, ninety percent of us probably
are taught that there is a vengeful God watching us.
If we do the wrong thing, we're going to piss
this God off and he's.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
Gonna We're gonna step out of line, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
He's going to torment us. He's gonna do this, do that,
And that sticks in our minds as children, makes a
huge fearful impression, and we carry that into our adulthood,
and then we have our time letting it oh, because
what if.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Right right right now? It's authority figures, whether it's your parents,
your family, the school, or if you go when you
go to church, when you're hearing that, you know, since
you're a kid, even if later on you go wild,
it's always back there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Yep. It's difficult to get rid of. It's difficult to
get rid of. And I tell people, I said, look,
you know, if most people are honest instead of dogmatic,
they admit, my religion does not work. You know, there
are things that do work, and that's what I've tried
to find over the years. And among the things that
do work, there's still a pekaboo aspect between us and

(01:26:39):
the other side why that is, I don't know. It's
very frustrating, but there is that pekaboo aspect there. But
there are things that work reliably enough that we can
get some light, we can get some help, we can
hold on, we can walk through these things. And that's
the things that I try and reveal to people in
my books, teach people in my books, and I talk

(01:27:00):
about all these experiences I've had, and like I said,
I've had way, way, way over a thousand and somebody
asked me about how do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
You me ask you something, John, Have you ever had
a parent, whether it was an investigation or reading or
something where you had a spirit of ghost that he
just wasn't sure he was really dead, you know, like
you know, the confused like no, no, no, everybody on
board they knew they were dead.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Oh yeah. And the way that was explained to me,
the other side explained that to me in a dream
night and me and the example they gave me was
you're driving your car, okay, and your car runs out
of gas and you pull it to the side of
the road. You open the door and you get out
of your car, you slam the door. You're outside on
the pavement. Now you know you're not in your car anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
That was the example they gave me. When you die,
your body, your carcross your car, your vehicle, you step
outside of that and you're like, oh, I'm not in
the car anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Okay, I made it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I'm on the other side, all right. People know, people
are aware of that, and there are these apparent investigations
where spirits may say they don't know they're over there. Whatever, right,
I just don't quite buy that, because you know, if
you're out of the body, you know you're out of

(01:28:22):
the body right right, your mindset, your emotions, your race, song, deetra,
whatever it is on the other side that you've got
going that may lead you to a confused state of mind,
or may lead you to a prankster state of mind,
or you know, may lead you to whatever. But yeah,

(01:28:44):
you know, you know you're gone. You know you're out
of that body. You know you're over there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
You might not like it, but I might not like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
It, but there you are. And people say, well, you
got to help them cross over. When you've crossed over,
If you're dead, you've crossed over, you've left the body.
You're there and then we're met by people on the
other side. Is what they've shown me Guardian angels, friends,
family loved ones that meet us and help us through
that transition process. And there's learning, there's things to go through.

(01:29:12):
There's spiritual growth there as well as here. And people
choose from the best I've been able to understand through
communication with the other side, my readings from my clients
and everything, my meditations and things I've done. People on
the other side choose where they want to be for
how long they want to be, and so they may

(01:29:33):
be hanging around to help a family member out, or
to watch over a family member or whatever, and another
thing causes this confusion. We may say, oh, well, you know,
uncle Jack, he's coming through he bless his heart, he
must not be able to cross over and go when
he must be earth bound. Uncle Jack may come and
communicate with you for five minutes, and then he's off
on another part of the world doing something else. You know,

(01:29:54):
we extrapolate from a very small experience and try and
expand it into the theory that's probably inaccurate and doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
You know, right that the for all you know, he's
off somewhere on the golf course, you know, in the sky,
you know whatever is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Like exactly right. Yeah, so you know, we have I
get frustrated with people that tell me, oh, I know
what the other side is like all that. No you don't,
you know, none of us do. I've done this my
entire life. I'm seventy one now, for Christs, and I've
done this my entire life. And I have more questions
than I have answers. Yes, and I still study and

(01:30:31):
I still learn. Yes, that's the other side. Help me
trigure this out, help me learn, help me get better
with this, help me to help others with this, help
me to understand. And there's some things that are just
like brick walls, even for me. And there's some things
that are like, oh my god, this is one of
the most miraculous things I've ever experienced. Like my guardian

(01:30:52):
angels have literally physically intervened in my life physically multiple
and literally say my life.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Yes, I've heard of those stories like that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:03):
Yeah, and it's like, my god, how fabulous it is.
And then it's like, guys, I can't pay this bill.
Where's the this money coming from? And silence, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
Right exactly, like, hey, how about help me out here.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
These things, and you know the way, we're going to
figure this out down the road. There needs to be
a marriage between science and the paranormal realm, but not
in the way it is now, because scientists integrate the paranormal.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
I was gonna say, if you've gone up by the
way scientists like, there is no space at.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
All, exactly exactly. And what we need to do is
get to a point where we say, okay, I'm going
to listen to the psychic. He's going to tune into
his spirit guides and they're going to say, build this
device this way, and this is going to help us
communicate from the other side better than EVP, better than
anything you're doing right now. But we all have to

(01:31:56):
put aside our egos and our dogma and our traditions
and blah blah blah, and we have to come together
with this and work on ways to build this together
to move forward.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
But let me ask you something, John, have you ever
run across people that become too dependent on wanting to communicate,
Let's say with family members or somebody that's passed on, Like,
instead of saying okay, this, let's say you gave them
a read yeah, they're okay or whatever, you know. In
other words, you know, which is what everybody worries about.
I think, you know, that person's okay, but then they
want to almost like want to continue the relationship even

(01:32:29):
though that other person has passed on.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Yeah, oh yeah, I've had that. And I tell people,
I'll say, look, you got to understand they're okay the
on the side, but they're doingthing right they need to do,
and they don't have time necessarily to communicate with you
every day. It's not necessarily a good thing to try
and insure that every day. And you know, we have
to understand, Okay, I've got some of the messages I need.

(01:32:54):
And then look here in the physical realm, you may
have a dear, dear friend. You don't talk to them
every week, right, you know, maybe once a month something
like that. Catch up family members, you don't talk to
them every day. You may talk to them every few days,
once a week or whatever. So we have to understand
the same and trying to communicate with the other side.

(01:33:15):
They're not there at our beck and call. They still
have lives, personality, will delicious emotions, they have things to learn,
they have things to do, they're moving on. And so
just like you don't talk to somebody every single day here,
necessarily it's the same way on the other side. And
we have realize, okay, we have to take and accept
and be grateful for what communication we get, and then

(01:33:38):
realize they might not have anything to say to us
for a while. I remember I had a client that
a long standing client that I read four years and years,
and he was always he was telling me how great
my readings were and how accurate they were, and da
da da da dah. So we knew we had that
good connection. He knew I was the real deal. He

(01:33:59):
was satisfy with his readings. But he asked me, he said,
can you get a hold of my grandparents on the
other side? And I tried and I tried and I tried,
and absolutely nothing ever came. And then one day, during
a reading pour him, here they came and I said, oh,
stop listen. I said, I think your grandparents are here,

(01:34:20):
and I described them and he said, oh my god, yes,
that's them. That's them. I said, okay, So I'm waiting
for the message. Nothing and I'm like, oh, what the heck.
So he's disappointed. I'm disappointed. So we go on down
the road and then we get to the reading down

(01:34:41):
the road, and I said, your grandparents are here, and
this is a very difficult message. But they tell me
you've got to be very cautious and very careful of
your mother, that you can't trust her.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
Oh, I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
I love it, said, Oh my god. He said, I
have just found out about some of the duplicities and
some of the things and the problems with my mother,
and so they're confirming that for me. And I said, okay,
now I get it. Here's why they didn't come too earlier.
It's because they had this important message and that was

(01:35:17):
the premiere, the most important message to convey to you. Sure,
but if they had given that to me months.

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Back, or you right, there would have been no context
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Yeah, you would have said, nah, that can't be right,
that's nah, Nah, that's crazy, that's wrong. But I said,
now that you've experienced it and you know it, and
before you even told me, and they told me to
tell you, now you know the validity and the reality
of that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:44):
You know why I said, I love it, John, Because
sometimes you hear about people getting these readings about the
sea slow ones and everything is flowers and butterflies, And
I'm thinking sometimes, what if the message is something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Yeah, exactly right. You know that happens a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Because think about it. If let's say this person is
embroiled and my parents coming on, everything is wonderful. It's
like thanks for nothing instead of ultimately if you would
have done something or not that it's his free will.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
And from that point on his grandparents began to come
through regularly. Right, Hey, remember this dish I used to
cook and all this.

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
But the timing had to be there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
I had to be right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
Wouldn't have made any sense at all before then, and
he would have probably rejected it. And he may have
even looked at me and said, oh, John's gone off
the beam. I'm not right.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Everything is timing, Everything is timy. Yes, it was a
really neat thing to see.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
For my podcast listeners, John, what's the website that they
can find out, you know, get in touch with you,
either for a reading or for your books or anything
like that. Where can they go to?

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Well, the main website that's been hosting my readings, and
a lot of the things has been up and down,
up and down and up and down. You can try
it John Russell dot net. John Russell dot net. Okay,
that hopefully will be up. If you want a reading now.
If you want information on the books, go to John
Russell author dot com. And I've switched that over to

(01:37:18):
a new web hoster and that's working fine. So John
Russell author dot com. All my books are there, all
five of them, information about them, reviews, They've been endorsed
by Uri Giller, by George Norrid, yes Philoscoli of Fate Magazine,
by Mike Rigsecker, by tons of people. So I've got
all of the reviews and endorsements there and links to

(01:37:41):
buy the book. You can buy them online at Amazon,
Barnes and Noble Books, Million Apple Books. So all that's
there at John Russell author dot com. That side, I've
transferred over to a new host It's one hundred percent
up and running. John Russell dot net. I haven't had
the time to get it transferred over yet as a backup.
So you can try it John Russell dot net and
see if you can click on the link there.

Speaker 1 (01:38:02):
For let me ask you, are you giving out readings
if somebody wanted to get a reading from you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Let's say, oh, yeah, I still do readings. Yeah, absolutely
still do readings. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
So could they get in touch with you via the
John Russell author dot Com, like send you an email
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:38:19):
They could they could try and email me there. Yeah,
but there's no link to pay there on that side
for the reading. I see, Okay, John Russell dot is
where the pay link is. And like I said, I'm
trying to get all that transferred.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
Over because I know there's got to be people out
there that I think I want to get a read
from him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
Yeah, And it's just so everybody knows, it's about a
three to six months of wait period. So whoa, just
keep that in mind.

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
And okaye, better get in line. Anybody's listening, you better
get line.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Better get in line. Yeah, you better get line. So yeah,
it's yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
But the thing is that we'll see that's one of
the good things about the Internet that you imagine you
can give a reading to just anybody around the world, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
You know, I have clients all over the world, all
over for clients over forty countries. Most of those I've
done my phone. A lot of people never doing those
skype or teams things like that. Yeah, that way. But
I've still do a lot of readings back home. I
have clients in England, Australia, all over the We do
readings back home and it's it's just mind blowing to me.
It's really awesome to have. You know, I've read for

(01:39:20):
clients in over forty countries and it is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
That's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
How is that possible? You know, it's such a blessing.
It's such a guess. I've enjoyed it so much.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
And it's one of those things that if you plant
for it, it's just as it goes along, it just
happens and here you are and you're looking back and
it's like wow, Yeah, I've actually had clients.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Like the David Burns song how did I get here? Well?

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
Did I get here? Exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Yeah, It's it's just marvelous. It really is marvelous.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
So are you going to do another book?

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Yeah, I know you just published one, but.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
Already right known a couple of more.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
I knew it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:53):
I'd follow up to twenty ways to increase youre psychic abilities. Okay,
it was a one off and the other side came
to me and said, hey, John, what about this? And this?
Sure yeah, okay, So there's gonna be twenty more ways
to increasures like capabilities. There's gonna be another book of
more true paranormal experiences, and then I'm and there's more

(01:40:15):
planned after that. There's still gonna be more coming after that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Let me tell you something, John, I really do think that,
and I've said it before, I think the more we
get technology in our face that as as human beings,
we seek the mystery, the supernatural, the paranormal, the because
that's I think it's just the way we're wired. And
I'm not saying because it's fake. It's just that all
this realism we've always.

Speaker 2 (01:40:40):
We do, that's what humanizes us. And that's what yes
with the world and with compassion and with love and
with understanding, and you know, it's it's just essential.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Right that there's more to us than because obviously with technology,
everything is how can I say, it's measured, it's examined,
it's photographed, it's recorded, it's what ever.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
More to us? And there's more to life than that,
you know, and we have to have that understanding that
there is a spiritual component to life.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Of course, you know what I.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Always tell people, there's there's people that say, oh, the
the extraterrestrials created us, they made us, And I said, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
Great, that's yeah, that's and you know what that that's
another angle to the to the et thing is that
they made us or tweaked us, or seated us.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
And it's like, oh my god, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Who made them?

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Yeah, exactly without.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
There has to be a creator story, there has to
be an origin. There has to be a spiritual component
to everything, you know. And that's what I try and
communicate my books is like, all of life has a
spiritual component. Sure if we learn how to tune into that.
And I teach people in my books how to tune
into that, and they tell me it works. I've been

(01:41:56):
experiencing these I have this oh my god, I have
this marvelous email. Okay, and this lady wrote me and said,
five years ago, when your very first book came out,
Writing with the Spirits of the Dead, she said, my
mother bought me a copy and sent me a copy,
and she said, I just was not in that headspace.

(01:42:20):
I didn't really think i'd leave in the paranormal or
psychic powers or any of this stuff, And so I
didn't throw the book away. But I packed it away, okay,
and she said, here it is. Five years later. I
came across the book and I'm in a different headspace. Now,
I've had enough experiences and things, and I'm like, okay, yeah,
there's something to this. So she said, I pulled the

(01:42:42):
book out, I found the boot and it was like, okay,
I need to read this now. So she said, I
put it on my bookshelf with the intent of getting
around and reading it and finally appreciating it and understanding it.
And she said, nearly every single day, I would get
up and the book would have been removed from my
bookshelf and put on the floor in front of my door. Oh,

(01:43:02):
put it back on the bookshelf. Okay. I would get
up and it would be on the floor in front
of my door. And She's like, okay, spirits telling me,
I need to read through the book. She said. I
read the book, and she said, John, I begin to
experience some of the identical episodes in my life that
you experienced that you wrote about in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
So that's why I write these books, and that's why
I'm sure understand you know, Hey, look, you can open
up to this. You can't understand this in a safe
and respectful way and in a way that helps you,
that gives you guidance, that helps you move forward in life,
and positive books. So that's that's my meat and potatoes,
writing these books. That's why I love to do it

(01:43:44):
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
All right, then, all right, it has been wonderful. Thank
you so much, John. I want to wish you the
best of luck on all your future projects.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
Thank you, it's been great, and we'll do it again.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
Bless you, take care, Thank you, Bye bye. Isn't that great? Yes,
he's got fifty years. That's a lot. That's why I'm
not kidding you. I'm thinking you must have heard every
story under the sun, and I'm sure there must be

(01:44:16):
stories that you're thinking I wish I hadn't heard that. Yeah, Now,
I imagine, Yeah, everybody, let's say, let's say when we
do the spare communication, let's say with a deceased loved
one or whatever, and you know, everybody thinking all sentimental.
But I imagine there's got to be some people that
seek that out either guilt or sometimes even if they're

(01:44:38):
still mad at that person, and they never got a
chance to either tell them all or have that last
conversation or ask them the why, and maybe you know,
they come to John or somebody like John and say, look,
I need to communicate with so and so, or see
if this person comes through, and how's this that make?

(01:45:00):
Maybe maybe the feelings aren't always warm and fuzzy, or
the relationship at the end wasn't always warm and fuzzy,
and but but that there, how's this that there's still
things that are unresolved right yet are still unresolved? And
I think some people even how's this? And I don't
know that if they ever get it, you know that

(01:45:20):
they're even hoping that from the grade beyond, this person
will say hey, I'm sorry I did or said that
or and and then of course, like what he was
saying with this this gentleman that he's asking to speak
to his grandparents and they're like, no show. You know,
maybe somebody comes to them and says, I want to
see if I can communicate with And usually people that

(01:45:42):
you have these what do you call it, these unfinished
Usually they're family members or spouse, but usually family members.
Those are the ones that really affect us. And the
person doesn't show when you're like, like, they don't hear,
they don't care, they don't want to there, you know,
and sometimes you just never get that, you know, one

(01:46:02):
maybe the person doesn't want to or maybe the communication
is not gonna turn out the way you want, and
it's just look, let's just leave. You know what is
that leave? Let sleeping dogs lie that Maybe that's why
nobody shows up for the for the request to say
one way or the other, because they know, you know,
we're gonna end up in an argument like we did
when I was alive, So forget it. I'm not gonna

(01:46:24):
I'm not gonna show up. You know, We'll just we'll
just leave it as it is and eventually we'll meet up.
That happens sometimes, and I'm gonna tell you and a
lot of these sometimes he shows, you know where they
do the medium, with the with the communicating with whatever
person the person wants, and everybody shows up, and I'm

(01:46:45):
thinking something wrong here. I imagine there's gotta be times
with this other person on the other side for whatever reason,
for better or worse. Like John said, you really don't know.
They just don't show up. And god knows, I know,
the supernatural is not it is not an undemand thing.
I don't care who you are. I don't care. You

(01:47:06):
could be a supremo psychic they if you know, I
imagine there has got to be times where the person
that they want to communicate with, for for even the
best reasons, does not show, does not come in. In
other words, how's this then, even if it's a good
psychic medium. In other words, somebody would shark good really

(01:47:27):
good abilities. In other words, it's not for lack of
ability on the medium's part, just that that person doesn't
want to communicate. And you never see that in any
of those shows where the receiving person is like, no,
they're not here, no loop, Yeah, I get everybody else,

(01:47:49):
but not that person specifically that you wanted to talk to.
And I think that's I think that that that those
I guess those are the interviews of the reason I
say no, we can't do that, we can't do that one.
You always want to they want to talk to so
and some of the person tells them, oh, yeah, you jerk,
you rat. You know, it happens, It happens. You know

(01:48:14):
that everybody thinks that. You know that sometimes relationships get
fixed that way, and not all the time, not all
the time. You know, we would like it to be.
Don't get me wrong, we would like it to be,
especially if one of the persons is deceased. But like
I said, sometimes there's a lot of unresolved stuff that
maybe went on for years and you would think, Okay, yeah,

(01:48:42):
one person is maybe good with it, but maybe the
other one isn't. And maybe that's why the other one
doesn't show up, because it's like, you know what, we're
gonna end up or not, or you're gonna end up.
This is all going to be a one sized conversation
or in this case, what he's saying about here's grandparents
are basically telling him some That's why I said, oh,
this is great telling him something that most people say, oh,
be careful with your mom. Wow, that was great. It

(01:49:08):
wasn't It wasn't a pleasant message, but it was a
necessary message. You know, it's not what you want, it's
what you need. And then myself, you know that. I
think there's moments where you know, here we're talking like
family or friends that are passed on, and I think
sometimes they need to go or they do go by
that rule, which is not what you want, it's what
you need. And so I need to tell you this

(01:49:28):
and it might not be what you want to hear.
I don't know. Sometimes I think that's the how's this,
that is the proof of a true psychic medium. And
I know that maybe that's not the best for business,
but let's face it, everybody wants to have that positive,
that positive reading. But sometimes I don't think that that's

(01:49:58):
always the re of things. You know, sometimes it's not.
It's just isn't. And I did ask them, you know
that thing because I've heard of you that I asked
them about people not wanting to let the people that
have passed on go, and they get hooked up on
either calling psychics or even on the Ouiji board, and

(01:50:20):
they get all caught up in this because they want
us to live their lives like if that person was
still around, and they don't realize that you're gonna have to,
especially if it's at some point they're like almost afraid
to make a decision on something, whether that person that
passed on was a parent or a spouse or somebody

(01:50:44):
that they're almost afraid to make decisions, especially important ones,
on their own. And sometimes the decisions don't have to
be that major, by the way, it could be as
in should I go do this, or should I do that?
Or what do you think? And it's like I can
see where some people and fall into that problem because
they want to resume that relationship with that other person

(01:51:07):
most maybe most of the time had some say so
or made the ultimate decision. And basically that's a part
of psychology where you're off the hook for the decision
making part, and then what happens again, Let's let's let's
say you're the the other person is the one that
that passed away, and here you are, like, wait a minute,

(01:51:28):
I've got to make this decision for good or for bad,
for worse. So many days that's the thing about when
other people make the ultimate decision. If it's great, it's great,
and if not, it's like, well, you thought it was
like your idea, that kind of deal. Uh, you thought
it was gonna be okay, And there's there's there's it's
in a way, it's almost like a way of letting

(01:51:48):
go of responsibility for making decisions and sometimes don't turn
out good, which by the way, is the human condition
and happens to everybody. Sometimes things are great, the outcome
is great. Sometimes oh it doesn't make a difference, and
sometimes it's like, wow, that was a really bad idea.
You know, the outcome the result is sometimes more to

(01:52:09):
get negative than others. But still some people, for them
that's that's a very scary thing to the point that
they want to have that other person. And by the way,
also this can extend beyond the spirit communication with even

(01:52:30):
contacting the other side. And I'm not talking about a
specific deceased person, don't get me wrong. And you know,
because you know people will say, well, I prayed on
this or you know, things like that, or I meditated
or whatever. There's nothing wrong with that, but there's going
to be times where ultimately you're going to have to

(01:52:50):
make a decision, all right, And then we could go
down the road and say, well, what if you prayed
on something, you meditated, or you communicated or whatever, and
you were told, uh, let's say you're at the fork
in the road about let's end. Let's say job job change.

(01:53:12):
Let's let's let's do that scenario job change. Either you've
been off on another job or you're thinking I'm gonna
go down this road, or and you think about it,
meditated or whatever, and all indicators are go, go and
do the new job or the new company, or the
new department or the new position, whatever, And sometimes it

(01:53:36):
turns into maybe a very very of not one of
the most difficult times in your life, and you're thinking,
how did that happen? How did I end up? Wow?
Did I misinterpret? Or what was I delusional? You know what?
I think there's times that nobody wants to think about
this because everybody wants to think that guidance is always

(01:53:58):
going to be how's this is going to save you
from mistakes? And sometimes one of two things happens. Either
this was something you had to experience for some reason.
All right, maybe you have been getting hits. Hey you
need to make this change, you need to do this,

(01:54:20):
and you weren't paying attention because of fear. And finally
they kind of like you know when you push the
baby bird out of the nest, like here you go.
We've been trying to get you to fly a little
bit here and a fly. You haven't been paying attention.
So now we're gonna like, all right, and you're gonna
have to really rough it. Yeah, So where you have
to have that experience and or this was the only

(01:54:42):
way that you would learn that life skill, whether it's
self reliance or something. Maybe that was that you have
been avoiding and in other words, the advice I was
given to you, it wasn't wrong, it was right in
that either that and or that going through this process

(01:55:04):
opened the door for you down the road, because I
think a lot of people have had that experience. I've
had that experience down the road. Another door opened that
you realized if I had not gone through this rough
patch after making that decision, I would never have ended
up over here, which is much better or nothing, or
in other words, I would never have been here if
I would have stayed where I was at, I had

(01:55:26):
to go through this difficult and even though in other words,
and it wasn't a result of that, you can say, man,
that was a rash decision. You know, you just jumped
in there and you didn't No, no, I'm talking about something
that's well thought of whatever. And then but you know,
when you're in the middle of it, when you're in
the thick of stuff, you don't get it. It's only
after time goes by that you look back and you go,

(01:55:46):
you know what I learned A lot I learned or
self reliance or you know, and now looking back, I
realized that hey, if it wasn't because I was the
or I did that or whatever, I would never have
found myself in this with this opportunity, okay to do

(01:56:07):
this because always there's always those forks in the road.
So yeah, sometimes everybody thinks that the guidance of you know,
if you want to say from the spirit world or
from God, from whatever your your your spiritual beliefs are.
You know, if you say your higher self, I don't
care wherever you want to source it from. It's always

(01:56:30):
going to be the soft ride and not always. It's
not always going to be the soft ride, and it's
not meant to be. How can I say malicious? And I,
by the way, I don't believe in because I've heard
of people sometimes saying, you know, when bad things happen, oh,

(01:56:51):
it's the left hand of God. I don't believe in
that nonsense. I don't. I don't. I just believe that
there's something innate in us that let's face it, this
is that there's something that you needed to do, even
if to make you a better you, you learn something
about yourself or your abilities, or maybe you were sure

(01:57:14):
changing yourself as far as what could you do. What
could you learn? How brave are you? Okay, let me
tell you something you want to you wanna develop your
your brave thing. Try putting yourself in difficult situations, all right,
whether it's daily living or location or a moment that'll

(01:57:35):
that you you and you you know when they say
when your back is up against the wall, this is
when you really find out how brave you are. Not
for real life. No, like, I know I'm brave, And
like I said, I'm not talking here like in the
you know everybody thinks in you know wartime er, I'm not.
I'm talking about brave as in everyday living kind of brave. Okay, slim,
this is you can tell. This is how you really

(01:57:58):
learn and in either either you you're as brave as
you thought or braver or not as brave as she's not,
or sometimes you learn along the way because you realize,
if I don't handle this, if I don't face up
to it, if I don't figure this out and just
well confronted or deal with it, how is that if

(01:58:19):
I don't deal with this, I'm gonna get run over.
And sometimes that's why you end up making difficult choices
or what later on you think, oh, what was I thinking?
Why did I do that? Or why did I make
that choice? Or why did I go out with that person?
Or why did I take that job, or why did
I buy that car? It could be a host of things.

(01:58:41):
And as you can tell, I'm the kind of person
that I always try to see you know that that
that very overused trope of the half empty half full glass.
I'm the kind I live in a friendly universe, and
I see the glass half full all the time, you know,
as much as possible I do. I think that there's

(01:59:02):
always sometimes in even the most horrible scenarios, you always
think there's got to be something here that has an
upside to it, all right, And I know something that
is going to be very dire sometimes, but there's always
got to be an upside somewhere in there, you know,
And we.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
Don't have to like.

Speaker 1 (01:59:22):
But again, that's we're talking here, maybe extreme tragic scenarios.
I'm talking here about everyday life, about what what happens
when you live life, all right? And I guess my
bottom line is that sometimes we get this this feeling
of you know, the universe is picking on me, or
God is picking on me, or somebody's picking on me
and going sometimes it's not that way. It's not. Yeah,

(01:59:49):
So there you go. It's my two cents worth on life.
So again, guys, please come back every week. I've got
a lot of great gets lined up, new ones, returning
ones like John Russell and I'm gonna test his links
just to see which one is the best one. And
I'm gonna put a link in the credit of the
show to his website. Got three to six month wait

(02:00:14):
for a reading? Wow, and you know what again, go
to substack. Go, I'll go to nppelaster dot com. You're
gonna find links so you can sign up for my substack.
I said, every three, four or five days, I put
out an article. I put in maybe an old podcast,
one of the older videos, video interviews, stuff that's that

(02:00:39):
like I said, I watch it and I'm like, is
this really old? And then that doesn't know there's still
even you know, and you know how I look look
at it. Sometimes I'll listen to some of these art
Bell interviews from nineteen ninety seven and I'm like, man,
this is really interesting and all this It's like, Wow,
this is really really old. But to me it's still like, man,

(02:00:59):
this is thirty years old this interview, but it's still interesting.
So yeah, not that I'm saying I'm Mark Bell I wish,
but no I'm not. But yes, some of these older
interviews are still just as interesting. So again, guys, thank
you for coming back every week and spending this time
with me. You're all wonderful. Until next time,

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