December 18, 2025 • 48 mins
As 3I/ATLAS approaches it's nearest point to Earth bringing new anomalies and mysteries, this special livestream episode brings YouTuber Tiago from the Dobsonian Power channel to join with Cristina Gomez and Jimmy Church for an in-depth review of the anomalies and mysteries of the interstellar visitor 3I/ATLAS.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Can you believe it? It's coming tomorrow. December nineteenth is
when three I Atlas is going to make its closest
approach to Earth. Now, it'll still be a few one
hundred million miles away, but from our understanding on the
trajectory that it's on, it's going to reach its closest
point on December nineteenth. If you have a medium sized telescope,
(00:33):
you will be able to see it. In the early
morning hours today. We'll be covering all the latest information,
really all the information ever. And not only am I
bringing in my co host and mentor, Jimmy Church, but
I do have a special guest for you. His name
is Thiago from Debsonian Power. Let's bring them right in, Jimmy, Thiago,
how are you guys doing.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hello, I'm doing great. Thank you for asking. I am
just unbelievably great. You know why I'm great? Tell me
three I Atlas is going to be one hundred and
sixty six million miles away tomorrow. That's why I'm great. Heck, yeah, yeah,
I'm great. I'm fantastic. We get to see that et
(01:14):
craft up close and personal. So yeah, there you go. Thiago.
Are you excited?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, very excited. We never know what can happen. It's
the closest approach and if I was an alien spaceship manager,
I would wait for this opportunity with a shorter distance
to the planet that I wanted to make contact with.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Christina and I have been talking. I'm gonna hand this
over to Christina, but uh, Thiago, that's exactly the point
that we have been making, and that is exactly the point.
And I think the rest of the world shares your view.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it's really amazing how you know, in my opinion,
how the media has been covering this, like there's been
a good amount of coverage, not in a like insane
amount of coverage, but a decent amount. Tell us over
to you in Portugal where you are right now, has
it been in the news the way that it is
in the States when it comes to covering three ilis.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Zero zero, Christina.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Here we live in a very small country, but it's
the same in Spain as well, and it's much bigger,
and the coverage here on Europe is pretty much known.
It's something that's why I truly believe that when people
talk about scyops and it's something made by design from
(02:40):
the powers in state. I believe not, it's not, at
least this time, because they are doing exactly the opposite.
They are trying to hide stuff, not trying, they are
hiding stuff. And so no here they want us to
care about the same things that in another country, in
(03:01):
every country you see on television.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wow, he's firmly part of our family. Welcome. But Christine,
I just interrupted you. But isn't Thiago do you find
it interesting not only that your country and your government
has a lack of coverage on this, but overall, with
all of the telescopes in the world, whether it's it's
(03:26):
Chili or somebody's backyard, all of the instrumentation that we
have in orbit, you know, all of the sensors and
data that we are able to collect. We've gotten no
images out of Naska for the ESA. And that that
smells a little. That smells smells.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Funky to me, very very funky. I don't believe we
don't have them. I believe they don't show us everything.
I truly believe that because many.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Times in my life show I showed them, for instance,
the RECIVLE that was finished. But I don't understand very
much about radio telescopes and stuff like that. But we
can see online. You just google a recible asteroid and
you will see images loads of them, with very sharp
images of asteroids different comma et et cetera. So we
(04:20):
know in advance we are not stupid. We know that
they have technology to do that. Furthermore, it was expected
to for us to have a great image. The best
one would be from Mars, that Mars.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Probe, the orbital that has the high rise camera with
thirty kilometer Exel size, and we were expecting everyone was
expecting that they would release an excellent picture of it,
at least one, and they did exactly the opposite. They
showed us a blurry picture, which is in my opinion,
(04:58):
highly suspicious.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Yes, Christina, you were going to say something, well, just
to kind of continue at what you guys are mentioning
about this kind of they are blatantly covering stuff up.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We also need to address the latest information from the
maven that we know about NASA, how that lost contact
with NASA right when three I at list was closest
to Mars. And before we get into that, I just
want to say a big thank you to Elaine for
being a YouTube member. Michael, thank you so much for
(05:34):
that super chat. Merry Christmas to YouTube, and thank you
again for also being a a YouTube member. D DA
bigin on the ams. Not that right, but you know
I don't say it as well as Thiago, Like when
you're in his live chat, he has all the cool plugins.
He says, I don't want to do it. Can you
tell me how you do it?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Thiago?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
When people join us, oh.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I do what all that party? When?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
When they join and everything eats my personality, I'm very
excited with what it's simply the personality. Look, Chrisina, I'm
exactly as I am what you are watching in camera.
It's exactly how I am. If I was with you
to both in I don't know about or something, I
would have the exact attitude with Caushan and you know,
(06:23):
exactly the same. And we did. Those guys there and
I love my community.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
They love you too.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
In the live chat there saying all of your catchphrases,
I'm riding now, and I'm like, man, they know what's up.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
They know you, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I I showed the link and I'm sure some of
them are here. They love you too as well.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait, Pump the brakes. I
want to hear a catchphrase from Portugal, give me a
give me a Portugal catchphrase.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
A catchphrase in Portuguese.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
HMM's so many, give me one quick.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Give us, give us your favorite one that you say,
like favorite Shenanigans.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I don't know, let me, let me think we'll get
back to it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But to touch on, to touch on, Maven. So we
just recently learned, and I actually learned this on Newsmax
just a few days ago, that they lost contact with
NASA when at three Houns was getting closest to Mars,
and so people are mentioning that it seems like a
very strange coincidence that something like that would happen, But
(07:40):
there's also been so many stories of NASA ending the
International Space Station streams. That latest image that we received
from NASA was incredibly disappointing that both of you guys
addressed as well. The thing is that there is so
little trust right now with these space agencies, with in
the government as well, that we really have to depend
(08:04):
on amateur astronomers like Thiago and others that have the
right equipment to take images of what's being seen out
there and December nineteenth, tomorrow is one of the best
days to catch it. I actually have an image here
that I want to share with you guys. This one
was captured by a moderator of mine. His name is
(08:26):
Tyler Partridge, who also works at an observatory in Australia,
and he was able to capture this image with one
of the telescopes.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
There.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Here's another one. I mean it does first of all,
so it's a beautiful image. But second of all, I
just think that these are the people that we need
to depend on, not NASA, not the ESA anymore. They
have proven to the world time and time again that
they are taking all of these shortcuts, really undercutting the
(08:56):
public overall, that we're not going to receive any good images.
As Thiago said, we have the equipment to take detailed,
beautiful images of asteroids and comets, and then when it
comes through I Atlas, we get the blobbiest, lamest images
you could ever imagine. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Really, it's the blobbyist, blobbyist the word it's a good.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
If it's not, it should be, and it is.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I'm Shakespeare, so.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I guess, I guess. The popular catchphrase is Bam, I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's dam yeah, I like, I know, I know a phrase.
I just remember one that fits here. That is I
said this yes another day to to my people. It's
something that it connects our history on Europe with ancient
(09:47):
civilizations like the Roman Empire, and we still use them
a lot here in Portugal. And it's what NASA has
to think as well. We can't please try Ands and
Greeks at the same time. No, yeah, that's something that
(10:08):
we so they can't please. In case of NASA and
other institutions, not only NASA, you can't please both. Try
to have both in with that single narrative. So you
you end up with the the NPCs that follow you
and that are constrained to your narratives and don't want
(10:30):
to think with your own head.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's what happens with them now.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Christina, Uh can't can Can I ask a question? Can
I ask a question for the chat? Can I ask
a question for the world? Let's hear it, Thiago, what
do you think? Three? I antalyases? Is it natural or
not natural?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I think I think it's alien, But like I think
it's alien one under percent. I believe that since the beginning,
well since it appeared and started to have those anomalies,
I started having that feeling of something by design, and
then it was more and more and more, and it
(11:16):
was like a progressive increasing belief. So right now I
still think one hundred percent. It's the same percentage, let's say,
but with more conviction. But I still believe as well,
that can have some mixture or something that I don't
understand because I'm human and I'm biased it by what
(11:36):
we know, our knowledge and our five senses only, and
I believe that it can be something that is organic
and alien. I mean some kind of evolution that civilization
could have in their star system or wherever they are
(11:58):
in universe, that allow them to explore other ways of existence,
or technology that we as simple humans can only associate
with iPhones, computers, whatever, spaceships. That can be something that
even as organic as with the ability of morphing during
(12:23):
the traveling and have some kind of own consciousness. I
don't have any idea with AI. Probably I have no idea,
but I believe that can be something like that as
well does. But the goal of it, I believe that
it's gathering information, not invasion.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Are you surprised let's talk about Europe for a second
if we can, and then I want to get to
your images and some of the things that we have,
Chris Youna, you've got that stuff ready to go.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The attitude I believe of the world, the reason why
it's caught the attention of so many people is quite frankly,
it's not can we handle it if it's et. I
believe the world wants to know if it's et. And
(13:22):
that's it's the interest in that where we have an
object like this traveling at this kind of velocity, doing
the things that it's doing, changing colors and all of
those things come into play. But that's the main question
that this planet has. Are we alone? Were you surprised
or are you surprised in that interest? And is it
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the same over in Europe that it is over here
and it feels like it's worldwide? Does everybody just want
to know if it's et or not?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Gmi? Gmi. Does everyone in the world wants peace?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I believe that most ninety nine point nine percent of
people in the world wants peace in the world, although
they'll show us a completely different perspective of it.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Right right, the simplies.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Here, Jimmy, the same place here. Everyone wants to know
the deep questions of why we are here, is there
anybody else?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
What? What the heck is around us?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
That we can't reach you because we just can see
something here but we can't go deep and understand, And
is there anybody else there or here already? Is there
other dimension? Whatever? Everyone wants to know that. Everyone one
hundred percent wants to know that. The thing is they
shape us to not to think on that, to think
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that we are crazy if we think on that or
believe on that.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Come on, I just saw they.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Just posted it was an as a solar or something
on X that my mom showed me, and they the
way they say, we will have tomorrow an event on
another platform, and ald on, this is not about green
men's something like that, you know, like really cooling the topics.
(15:19):
So the reader, whatever he is or she is, the
reader will immediately processing their brains in a subconscious level
that they are stupid and ignorant and idiots if they
are even thinking that can be alien and alien equals
green men with big guys on big heads, you know,
(15:41):
all constrained disease, and they are we in my channel.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Its so we do like this. They are quacks.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I even wat chase the duck to really cool the
topic and for me to remember always always that they
are kind of a duck.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I've I've got to give me a quack. I've got
to give me a quack. I've got and and and
here's the other thing that I find, you know, just
so fascinating, is that what is wrong with revealing that
it's not natural? What is the crime in that? Why
(16:23):
do that kind of cover up? Because US earthlings, including you, Thiago,
you count even though you're in Portugal. US earthlings deserve
to know what is in nature?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
What? What is what should be secret about a new
species in the Brazilian rainforest? What should be secret about
a new species of fish? What should be secret about
life out in the universe? What? No, that's our right
as humans, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah? It should be.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But knowledge is power. At the end of the day.
If you don't understand something but another person does, they
have the mentality is that they have power over you. Now,
there's going to be some ideas, some narratives. They're just
trying to prevent mass panic. They referring to those that
are in the know as to what's going on. I'm
only with three i AT lists, But other things in
(17:21):
the UFO phenomenon we've heard, we call them gatekeepers. The
thing is that we won't actually know how humanity will
react until it happens simultaneously. As Jimmy had mentioned, we do.
Humanity does have the right to know the world has
a right to know as to what exactly is going on.
But will we And the thing is that now with
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December nineteenth coming up, if you have a medium sized telescope,
you'll be able to see it for yourself. Now, we'll
you be able to see all of the true details
of this object. That part, I'm not entirely sure. But
what I do know is that over the coming weeks
it'll still be visible in the night sky, and that
(18:05):
there's going to be a lot of telescopes pointing at it,
both from civilians and from private companies and government companies
as well like government agencies. So will as the weeks progress,
we should be receiving more answers. Well, it's going to
reach its closest approach tomorrow. It doesn't mean that we're
going to receive all of the answers tomorrow. We're going
(18:25):
to receive data again as the weeks progress into twenty
twenty six up until you know, March April May, even
when NASA and the ESA finally get their data that
have been collected from the Juice spacecraft, from the Hair spacecraft,
and a few others. And it's one part that really
(18:47):
shocks me and I want to hear both of your
opinions on that is this is a global phenomenon, like
everyone around the world is interested in this, but it
seems that the United States really has their hand on it,
really controlling the narrative on this. Why are other countries
being so quiet? Yes, there are telescopes on the Canary Islands,
(19:10):
there's this one is an image taken from a telescope
in China. But why do you think other countries are
not jumping on the bandwagon firstus say, oh my gosh, guys,
I'm dropping the best information out there. Why are they
waiting on the United States? Do you think, Thiago.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Christina, I really believe that nowadays we don't have those
country I believe they are altogether. I believe that it's
not like the United States, Russia, China. Yes, it is
until a certain sense of relation that we show to
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the public. But I truly believe that they are organized
in a way that they agree with many stuff, not
only the and they decide for us how.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Disappointing, but that it's kind of a scary thought. But
it's not a surprising thought, you know, it's it's it's scary, right,
it's you know, it's confirmation of of of something that
I think we're all terrified about. But it's it's probably
the way that it is.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, we have the proof of it. Well we we.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We we Thiago, Christina and I uh I do four
live shows a week. I do one live show with
Christina each week. She's on the air every day and
we talk about this exact subject every single day. And
it's a difficult thing to constantly fight this battle and
(20:52):
you don't know what's true and what's not, and you're
being fed a certain thing. And then you have other
people out there, which is where you come into play.
I had said with Christina a few months ago about
about three I atlas is there are too many amateur
(21:13):
astronomers out there now. There's just too many with really
good equipment. Even I have a I have an eight
inch light bucket. Right, I got a pretty good telescope.
It's okay. I want a bigger Yeah, I want a
bigger one. I want a bigger one. But I live
in the desert. But there are so many people out
there that can observe. So it's going to be difficult
(21:37):
to not tell the truth this time around, because there's
too many really really good observers out there, like yourself
that can go, hold on a minute, that's not what
we are seeing. And and so that's this is a
different situation this time around, where we have a there
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are hundreds of thousands of amateur astronomers out there looking
at this right now, you know, like yourself. So it's
going to be difficult to lie or mislead I think
moving forward once we start capturing images tonight and tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, but you know, the thing is with this kind
of object, we don't have the power of resolution. It's
very bright, and we can't see, for instance, if it
has the shape of a spaceship exactly because it's very bright.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
That's why they have that power.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
The telescopes like the recival that was finished, can use
certain techniques with radio waves that they can have defined ships.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Just google it.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Anywhere on Google a recivle asteroid, and you'll see plenty
of them, and it's very very hard to have the
detailed pictures. Furthermore, we have many astronomers must but most
of them, as the crowd works, are in line with
(23:09):
the narrative. So even that they see anything strange, they
will be biased to to say it's natural and never
consider the alien hypothesis.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And that's important as well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And neither in itself is close minded. You need to
consider all the possibilities, no matter how strange. And you know,
Aviy Lobe has made some very interesting statements recently that
he looked at this from a terrorist perspective. If there's
even a one percent chance that a place, a location,
(23:44):
or a person is in danger, people and agencies are
going to do everything that they can to protect their
civilians even with just one percent. That same mentality can
be attached on over the three I at lists that
one percent of it not being a natural commet, but
something that is biological that might be a spacecraft. And
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the approach that a lot of these agencies are taking
and I buy it like that's valid, is that it's
only one of three interstellar objects that has ever been
so close to Earth. So regardless on if you see
this as a spacecraft or as a comet, this is
one of the best moments for astronomers and others to
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collect so much data from an object that is not
from our solar system. That's why it is behaving so strange.
The elements are different. It's acting them from a natural
comment that we see here in our solar system. Some
believe that it's millions, if not billions of years old.
All of these things are so valuable and so interesting
(24:49):
that I don't think we can actually be disappointed on
if it is a spacecraft or if it ends up
just being a natural commet. We won't get those answers
until after December nineteenth, at least I hope so we
get some answers because we still seem very much in
the dark. Yes, there are about fifteen anomalies now that
(25:11):
have been looked at by AVI Lobe. Yes we are
getting more images by amateur astronomers and by agencies as well,
but it just seems that overall we still don't really
know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, the problem, here's the problem is I see it
they because they put the comment label on this object.
They have to stick to that. They can't back off
of that. So all of the data that is collected,
all of the spectrometer analysis, all of the sensor data,
(25:52):
everything that they can apply to it, they are forcing that, right,
It's trying to force a square into a whole circle.
And by doing that, they're taking the data and forcing
it into the known comet information that we have collected
over the years. It doesn't fit, it doesn't work, but
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they're forcing it into that so it can maintain the
narrative that they have built on. But everything, everything that
has been shown, measured and analyzed about this object, none
of it has ever been part of what a normal
comet is that is in and around our solar system. No,
(26:39):
of course, it's apparently as interstellar. Okay, I'll go with that.
So the creation of a comet in another star system
may be different than what is traditionally a comet here.
I get that part too, But they haven't spoken about
it in this way. They are just dismissing it. Oh,
(27:00):
it's a comment, and and and that's it, and there
are and here's our reasons why. But they're making the
data fit our traditional comment when none of it represents
a comment that that we have seen in the past.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
What do you think of the recently of space agencies
running these defense drills like the International Asteroid Warnings.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
The whole, the whole, the whole planet is part of
that drill. So there are there are twenty four countries
Portugals involved, so is Spain, Great Britain, Russia, China, Israel,
Brazil is involved, Mexico's involved, Canada is involved, Australia. Uh yeah,
twenty four countries all on a practice drill for now.
(27:52):
They're doing two things. Obviously the opportunity of three I Atlas,
but there are other asteroids also in the area too
as well that come into play for this early warning system.
And their goal now, this is the mission statement, is
we will process the information so we can learn how
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to deflect these objects from hitting Earth. That's the stated goal.
And they're going to be running these by the way,
this entire it's just like the movie Don't Look Up.
It's the same. It's like, don't look up, but for real, right,
they're going to be running these drills, Christina and Thiago
until the end of January. It's not over this week.
(28:39):
They're going to run this for and they've been doing
it since November, by the way, so November, December, January
ninety days.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, there are many objects like asteroids and death appear
from nowhere, and even comments like the view one boriso
that appeared from nowhere, how to swim another one now
recently and actually the bodies of disappeared and nobody knows
where it went to.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But there are.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Many threats to the earth, many many, many threats to
the Earth. One thing is and they are working on
that for a long time. But what I believe that
happened here was that at some point, probably most likely
we those high rise images from NASA, they realized the
reality and they realized that this can be something else.
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But one thing is what they share between them and
other countries as well included. And other thing is what
they spread to the accolades and to the crowd, so
the accolades will repeat what they want them to repeat,
so the system is lubricated in a way that everything
(29:53):
will work. And they kept, they kept, and they keep
the good information. So they know very well that we
can't watch deeper than this. We can, yes, we can
analys jets, we can do spectrum tree, even amateur surroundomers
can do that kind of work, but we can't have
(30:14):
a shape and clear and detailed image of the surface
as they have from Mars et cetera.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Or the Moon.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
We can't with our telescopes. The problem is that they
know that and they have that power. But they can
just simply decide to just don't show them and that's
it and let it move on, and they will speculate
and tiney fix tin files like that.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah that's power.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Bam bam, like to hit them, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well done. And here what do you make of the
When it first appeared behind Jupiter right back in July
and we started tracking it and looking at it, there
was a weird statement that was put out and then
kind of disappeared. Avvy Lowe sees on it. But it's this,
(31:16):
it's self illuminating. Now, wait a minute, what comment in
the history of everything? Somebody talked to me like I'm
five years old, what comment has ever done that? The
only reason why we observe comments is they reflect the
light of the sun. That's why we see them. They're
(31:38):
not self illuminating. So what is glowing on the inside
of this object?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Propulsal system lights Christmas tree. I don't know, but something
is lighting it up from the inside. And they put
that statement out and then never came back to it.
Did they jumped the gun to get ahead of their skis?
And what do you make, Thiago of this self illuminating
(32:06):
part of three?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I as, yeah, they keep studying the brightness of it,
the pulses of light. There were at least two that
I remember to studies about that brightness to the pulses,
the change of color. There's many things, Jimmy. And the
last one is that jet that is super weird. The
jet pointing like a needle, pointing always towards the sun
(32:31):
when it was supposed to be the opposite. So the
impact from the solar wind makes like your hair in
the wind goes behind you, goes away from from your head,
all the air with the wind. It's exact the exact
same thing with the with any comet, and the other
comets do that. This one rarely pointing a needle without
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any al pointing or insignificant pointing a needle, A super
massive jet towards the sun always, it's still doing that.
We were capturing yesterday live the three Iatas for the
first time after Pierhelion, the closest approach to the sand,
and I was surprised. I was kind of very excited
(33:13):
to see that. I forgot to upload the image to
see that jet. Now I can see that jet. We
all can see with the telescopes. You with that eight
inch as well. It's super weird. There are many the
nickel without almost no iron, that is something industriality.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
They know that.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
The argument it's that it's because it's different in the
universe far away. They pushed far, far away because we
can't confirm that. So what's the reason behind all of this?
It's the big question, why is viable to consider the
hypothesis of something that doesn't exist naturally, like the nickel
(33:57):
without iron, but my exist somewhere else that we don't know,
but aliens know. After sending problems like right right, right.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's exactly it isn't it isn't that isn't that insane?
Is an insane way, that's shenanigans. That's an insane way
to run science. It's not all of the possibilities. Let's
see what's going on. Let's gather our minds together and
(34:29):
and work through this. And discuss this. And one of
the things that needs to be on the table is aliens. Yeah,
how can you have that on the table? Right?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
It's crazy?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And no, go ahead please.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Because I just remind me because today evil O, I've
just published a conversation between him and the mainstream you
can clearly see when reading, and the most ridiculous argument
against dipotheses of AVI Lop. So considering that AVI Lop
shouldn't pick anomalies because they could be many anomalies. If
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the object was instead of going to next to Jupiter
or whatever, could be another planet and it will be
an anomaly as well, and that scientists should predict the
anomalies something very obsolete, something crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
They act constrained.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
They are super constrained, all of them. It's like I
am outside of that bubble. And I can see it
clearly how they act and they because they act always
the same the same way. It's crazy. And I believe
that you feel the same, Jimmy, because it's it's insane,
(35:44):
as you said, insane, it.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Is it is.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And I'll say this about Avi Lobe. I know Thiago,
we have just met, and the audience knows about most
of this. Some sort of Christina. I know Avi Lobe,
and I've known Avi Lobe for a long time. I've
hung out with Av. I've had dinner with Avi. He's
been on my TV show, He's been on my radio
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show many, many, many many times. He's a great guy.
I will say this about Avi. Okay, he only speaks
about what the data supports. He doesn't go out into
little green men land. He didn't even like to have that.
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I've tried to have that conversation with him.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
He just won't do it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He only looks at the data, processes it, and he's
got his you know, his people that work with him.
They look at the data and they they come up
with the hypothesis. What is supported by the data. That's it.
He's not some alien spaceship I've been abducted. Great, No,
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that's not. He is a scientist, a peer sign that
looks at the data and analyzes it. So when he
makes these statements out of the public about three I atlas,
it is only only one supported by the data that
he has. That's it, you know. Yeah, the data is
(37:20):
supporting something very strange here. That's how he's He's never
said it's an alien mothership. Man, you know take cover.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
No, they use that mantra to try to really cool him.
And he never ever said that. And besides, I'm I
can because I'm not a scientist and I don't own
anything to anybody. I can do my my show with
the my alien belief freely. But when he was there
(37:49):
the last time, I believe I was excited with the
alien stuff, and he kind of hold on your horse's Thiago,
because that yes, if only if eats alien. So you
are looking me, slow down, Thiago.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So it's a lie that they eats a mantra that
they use against Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, And I just want to be very clear on this.
And and Avy is brave enough, Christina, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
How you doing.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I'm enjoying hearing what you guys have to say. I'm
fully invested. Like everybody else in the chat, I want
to hear more.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I appreciate that. I appreciate that the uh. I am
so appreciative of Avy to have the courage to just
speak about the data. Other physicists, other astronomers can look
at the same data and they think these thoughts, but
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they won't say them out loud.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Different Well, there's a few different reasons for that. Jimmy,
first of all a few different reas avi Avy Lobe
set the blueprint for Amuamua in twenty seventeen called that
an alien spacecraft. Also, these other scientists have a huge
fear of losing their their scott like, their their money,
their funding. Abby low Is is different in that mentality,
(39:13):
like he has his GALLEYO project is he's still getting funding,
but he's getting funded funding because he is known to
be the scientist to consider these more outlandish possibilities. One
thing that really stood out to me about him, if
we're going to continue this conversation, was that paper that
he wrote with the then the former chief of Aero,
(39:34):
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, that what if Omuamua is dropping these
dandelion seeds which is like the equivalent of these drones
within our solar system to collect more data as to
what's going on. I found that was a really interesting
paper because off of what you're what you stated Jimmy
(39:55):
is that he doesn't say things without having the data
to back it up. And and then simultaneously for doctor
Sean Kirkpatrick to be a co writer for that paper
where he was the guy that would debunk everything. Nothing
to see here. He actually didn't even want to be
anywhere in public. He hated it so much to then
(40:16):
co write that paper of oh yeah, oh Muhama dropping
dandelion seeds, these these AI probes to collect data. Didn't
you find that so weird when that paper came out
just a few years ago. Was there data to back
that up? Or was it just merely a very interesting
thought to consider and use your imagination on.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, if you remember, like two weeks later, you and
I did a show on this. Two weeks later, he
does his uh thing with Congress Kirkpatrick and completely flip flopped.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So he goes from supporting this hypothesis, you know, of
an alien mothership coming through the star system, you know,
seating and dropping off probes. He went from that with
Abby to showing up at Congress saying, man, you know what,
there's nothing alien. I've looked at all the data. There's
(41:16):
something I don't even know why I'm here today.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, his attitude was definitely.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Who wrote the paper? Where was that guy? And we
get that. Yeah, that was bizarre for him to do
a flip flop in front of all of us too.
It was he wasn't even hiding it. He just he
just revealed himself. But it goes back to Thiago. But
you were saying earlier, they're all playing this game together,
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aren't they.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, yeah, but these apotheses eats the seating apothesis.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
It's very viable.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
He didn't tell that was alien. He used the same method.
He can be alien or it can be natural, but
it's probably alien because of the the acceleration and acceleration
randomly that was nothing to have nothing to do with
the commat going further away from the sand, the cigar shaped,
(42:16):
no tail, nothing at all, neither a jet, nothing but
the seeding of these objects and three iye at was
Now it's very viable. The hypothesis was that it can
be natural because of this or these, but that jet
is super non natural, so it can probably has some probes,
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a swarm of probes there.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
The thing is Jimmy and and Christina.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
If there are probes there to be sent to whatever
it's a or whatever it is. If there are probes,
they are tiny compared to the size of the mothership.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Who can we.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Can tell that and they will be non detectable by
us because they are very small. We can't even detect
a small asteroid that is big to us, but comparing
to a probe, it will be undetectable.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Until it reached the Earth.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
So that's why Evil said, maybe it's important to track
now during these coming months, not only the months, the
UAP activity on Earth, to see and compare with the
previous activity to see if there's any difference, because maybe
there can be probes gather information or whatever about us.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yes, and this is the right moment to do this.
Tomorrow are you going.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
To be Are you going to be imaging for the
next twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Oh, jimmy, I was yesterday struggling to watch a space
and an opportunity in the sky because it's very cloudy
today is super cloudy.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
I was planning to do after this participation year, but
I'm afraid it's not.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Well. Say well, and tomorrow I will be.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I will be waiting for an opportunity as well.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yes, come out to my house. I live in the
Mare Hobby Desert and it's going to be a.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
New moon as well, so it's literally the best time
to observe it where this light is not infecting infecting
the images. We just have a few minutes left, so
I want to ask you both a last question, and
that is, if this turns out to one hundred percent
be artificial, how do you think the announcement would be handled?
(44:35):
And do you think it would even be addressed or
would be brushed to the side and say, Okay, guys,
they're actually not going to.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Tell the public this.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
We're just going to leave it be and just never
address it. Thiago, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think they will hie A as much as they
can while they can. If there's a moment that they can't.
Because there's an Independence Day spaceship over the White House
during several days and all the people will watch it,
they will.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
They will do their quack stuff as.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Usual as they do with other humans, and they will
treat as like.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
As well. I believe that they will use that for
the control Kenny.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's gonna be like that Steven Spielberg Disclosure Day trail
that air yesterday. It'll be like this. This is the announcement.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
That's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
They're going to freak out. Yeah, Christina, thank you so much. Thiago,
You're amazing and I look forward to uh getting your
images and hearing your reports back over the next twenty
(45:57):
four hours, and uh, Christine, let's get him back on
the show next week.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
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Can you believe it? It's coming tomorrow. December nineteenth is
when three I Atlas is going to make its closest
approach to Earth. Now, it'll still be a few one
hundred million miles away, but from our understanding on the
trajectory that it's on, it's going to reach its closest
point on December nineteenth. If you have a medium sized telescope,
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you will be able to see it. In the early
morning hours today. We'll be covering all the latest information,
really all the information ever. And not only am I
bringing in my co host and mentor, Jimmy Church, but
I do have a special guest for you. His name
is Thiago from Debsonian Power. Let's bring them right in, Jimmy, Thiago,
how are you guys doing.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Hello, I'm doing great. Thank you for asking. I am
just unbelievably great. You know why I'm great? Tell me
three I Atlas is going to be one hundred and
sixty six million miles away tomorrow. That's why I'm great. Heck, yeah, yeah,
I'm great. I'm fantastic. We get to see that et
(01:14):
craft up close and personal. So yeah, there you go. Thiago.
Are you excited?
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yes, very excited. We never know what can happen. It's
the closest approach and if I was an alien spaceship manager,
I would wait for this opportunity with a shorter distance
to the planet that I wanted to make contact with.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Christina and I have been talking. I'm gonna hand this
over to Christina, but uh, Thiago, that's exactly the point
that we have been making, and that is exactly the point.
And I think the rest of the world shares your view.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
And it's really amazing how you know, in my opinion,
how the media has been covering this, like there's been
a good amount of coverage, not in a like insane
amount of coverage, but a decent amount. Tell us over
to you in Portugal where you are right now, has
it been in the news the way that it is
in the States when it comes to covering three ilis.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Zero zero, Christina.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Here we live in a very small country, but it's
the same in Spain as well, and it's much bigger,
and the coverage here on Europe is pretty much known.
It's something that's why I truly believe that when people
talk about scyops and it's something made by design from
(02:40):
the powers in state. I believe not, it's not, at
least this time, because they are doing exactly the opposite.
They are trying to hide stuff, not trying, they are
hiding stuff. And so no here they want us to
care about the same things that in another country, in
(03:01):
every country you see on television.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Wow, he's firmly part of our family. Welcome. But Christine,
I just interrupted you. But isn't Thiago do you find
it interesting not only that your country and your government
has a lack of coverage on this, but overall, with
all of the telescopes in the world, whether it's it's
(03:26):
Chili or somebody's backyard, all of the instrumentation that we
have in orbit, you know, all of the sensors and
data that we are able to collect. We've gotten no
images out of Naska for the ESA. And that that
smells a little. That smells smells.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Funky to me, very very funky. I don't believe we
don't have them. I believe they don't show us everything.
I truly believe that because many.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
Times in my life show I showed them, for instance,
the RECIVLE that was finished. But I don't understand very
much about radio telescopes and stuff like that. But we
can see online. You just google a recible asteroid and
you will see images loads of them, with very sharp
images of asteroids different comma et et cetera. So we
(04:20):
know in advance we are not stupid. We know that
they have technology to do that. Furthermore, it was expected
to for us to have a great image. The best
one would be from Mars, that Mars.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Probe, the orbital that has the high rise camera with
thirty kilometer Exel size, and we were expecting everyone was
expecting that they would release an excellent picture of it,
at least one, and they did exactly the opposite. They
showed us a blurry picture, which is in my opinion,
(04:58):
highly suspicious.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Yes, Christina, you were going to say something, well, just
to kind of continue at what you guys are mentioning
about this kind of they are blatantly covering stuff up.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
We also need to address the latest information from the
maven that we know about NASA, how that lost contact
with NASA right when three I at list was closest
to Mars. And before we get into that, I just
want to say a big thank you to Elaine for
being a YouTube member. Michael, thank you so much for
(05:34):
that super chat. Merry Christmas to YouTube, and thank you
again for also being a a YouTube member. D DA
bigin on the ams. Not that right, but you know
I don't say it as well as Thiago, Like when
you're in his live chat, he has all the cool plugins.
He says, I don't want to do it. Can you
tell me how you do it?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Thiago?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
When people join us, oh.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
I do what all that party? When?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
When they join and everything eats my personality, I'm very
excited with what it's simply the personality. Look, Chrisina, I'm
exactly as I am what you are watching in camera.
It's exactly how I am. If I was with you
to both in I don't know about or something, I
would have the exact attitude with Caushan and you know,
(06:23):
exactly the same. And we did. Those guys there and
I love my community.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
They love you too.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
In the live chat there saying all of your catchphrases,
I'm riding now, and I'm like, man, they know what's up.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
They know you, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
I I showed the link and I'm sure some of
them are here. They love you too as well.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Wait wait wait, wait, wait wait, Pump the brakes. I
want to hear a catchphrase from Portugal, give me a
give me a Portugal catchphrase.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
A catchphrase in Portuguese.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
HMM's so many, give me one quick.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I can't.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Give us, give us your favorite one that you say,
like favorite Shenanigans.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I don't know, let me, let me think we'll get
back to it.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
But to touch on, to touch on, Maven. So we
just recently learned, and I actually learned this on Newsmax
just a few days ago, that they lost contact with
NASA when at three Houns was getting closest to Mars,
and so people are mentioning that it seems like a
very strange coincidence that something like that would happen, But
(07:40):
there's also been so many stories of NASA ending the
International Space Station streams. That latest image that we received
from NASA was incredibly disappointing that both of you guys
addressed as well. The thing is that there is so
little trust right now with these space agencies, with in
the government as well, that we really have to depend
(08:04):
on amateur astronomers like Thiago and others that have the
right equipment to take images of what's being seen out
there and December nineteenth, tomorrow is one of the best
days to catch it. I actually have an image here
that I want to share with you guys. This one
was captured by a moderator of mine. His name is
(08:26):
Tyler Partridge, who also works at an observatory in Australia,
and he was able to capture this image with one
of the telescopes.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
There.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
Here's another one. I mean it does first of all,
so it's a beautiful image. But second of all, I
just think that these are the people that we need
to depend on, not NASA, not the ESA anymore. They
have proven to the world time and time again that
they are taking all of these shortcuts, really undercutting the
(08:56):
public overall, that we're not going to receive any good images.
As Thiago said, we have the equipment to take detailed,
beautiful images of asteroids and comets, and then when it
comes through I Atlas, we get the blobbiest, lamest images
you could ever imagine. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Really, it's the blobbyist, blobbyist the word it's a good.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
If it's not, it should be, and it is.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Now.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
I'm Shakespeare, so.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I guess, I guess. The popular catchphrase is Bam, I guess.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
That's dam yeah, I like, I know, I know a phrase.
I just remember one that fits here. That is I
said this yes another day to to my people. It's
something that it connects our history on Europe with ancient
(09:47):
civilizations like the Roman Empire, and we still use them
a lot here in Portugal. And it's what NASA has
to think as well. We can't please try Ands and
Greeks at the same time. No, yeah, that's something that
(10:08):
we so they can't please. In case of NASA and
other institutions, not only NASA, you can't please both. Try
to have both in with that single narrative. So you
you end up with the the NPCs that follow you
and that are constrained to your narratives and don't want
(10:30):
to think with your own head.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's what happens with them now.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Christina, Uh can't can Can I ask a question? Can
I ask a question for the chat? Can I ask
a question for the world? Let's hear it, Thiago, what
do you think? Three? I antalyases? Is it natural or
not natural?
Speaker 3 (10:54):
I think I think it's alien, But like I think
it's alien one under percent. I believe that since the beginning,
well since it appeared and started to have those anomalies,
I started having that feeling of something by design, and
then it was more and more and more, and it
(11:16):
was like a progressive increasing belief. So right now I
still think one hundred percent. It's the same percentage, let's say,
but with more conviction. But I still believe as well,
that can have some mixture or something that I don't
understand because I'm human and I'm biased it by what
(11:36):
we know, our knowledge and our five senses only, and
I believe that it can be something that is organic
and alien. I mean some kind of evolution that civilization
could have in their star system or wherever they are
(11:58):
in universe, that allow them to explore other ways of existence,
or technology that we as simple humans can only associate
with iPhones, computers, whatever, spaceships. That can be something that
even as organic as with the ability of morphing during
(12:23):
the traveling and have some kind of own consciousness. I
don't have any idea with AI. Probably I have no idea,
but I believe that can be something like that as
well does. But the goal of it, I believe that
it's gathering information, not invasion.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Are you surprised let's talk about Europe for a second
if we can, and then I want to get to
your images and some of the things that we have,
Chris Youna, you've got that stuff ready to go.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
The attitude I believe of the world, the reason why
it's caught the attention of so many people is quite frankly,
it's not can we handle it if it's et. I
believe the world wants to know if it's et. And
(13:22):
that's it's the interest in that where we have an
object like this traveling at this kind of velocity, doing
the things that it's doing, changing colors and all of
those things come into play. But that's the main question
that this planet has. Are we alone? Were you surprised
or are you surprised in that interest? And is it
(13:44):
the same over in Europe that it is over here
and it feels like it's worldwide? Does everybody just want
to know if it's et or not?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Gmi? Gmi. Does everyone in the world wants peace?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I believe that most ninety nine point nine percent of
people in the world wants peace in the world, although
they'll show us a completely different perspective of it.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Right right, the simplies.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Here, Jimmy, the same place here. Everyone wants to know
the deep questions of why we are here, is there
anybody else?
Speaker 4 (14:23):
What? What the heck is around us?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
That we can't reach you because we just can see
something here but we can't go deep and understand, And
is there anybody else there or here already? Is there
other dimension? Whatever? Everyone wants to know that. Everyone one
hundred percent wants to know that. The thing is they
shape us to not to think on that, to think
(14:48):
that we are crazy if we think on that or
believe on that.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Come on, I just saw they.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Just posted it was an as a solar or something
on X that my mom showed me, and they the
way they say, we will have tomorrow an event on
another platform, and ald on, this is not about green
men's something like that, you know, like really cooling the topics.
(15:19):
So the reader, whatever he is or she is, the
reader will immediately processing their brains in a subconscious level
that they are stupid and ignorant and idiots if they
are even thinking that can be alien and alien equals
green men with big guys on big heads, you know,
(15:41):
all constrained disease, and they are we in my channel.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Its so we do like this. They are quacks.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
I even wat chase the duck to really cool the
topic and for me to remember always always that they
are kind of a duck.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I've I've got to give me a quack. I've got
to give me a quack. I've got and and and
here's the other thing that I find, you know, just
so fascinating, is that what is wrong with revealing that
it's not natural? What is the crime in that? Why
(16:23):
do that kind of cover up? Because US earthlings, including you, Thiago,
you count even though you're in Portugal. US earthlings deserve
to know what is in nature?
Speaker 7 (16:38):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
What? What is what should be secret about a new
species in the Brazilian rainforest? What should be secret about
a new species of fish? What should be secret about
life out in the universe? What? No, that's our right
as humans, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Yeah? It should be.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
But knowledge is power. At the end of the day.
If you don't understand something but another person does, they
have the mentality is that they have power over you. Now,
there's going to be some ideas, some narratives. They're just
trying to prevent mass panic. They referring to those that
are in the know as to what's going on. I'm
only with three i AT lists, But other things in
(17:21):
the UFO phenomenon we've heard, we call them gatekeepers. The
thing is that we won't actually know how humanity will
react until it happens simultaneously. As Jimmy had mentioned, we do.
Humanity does have the right to know the world has
a right to know as to what exactly is going on.
But will we And the thing is that now with
(17:44):
December nineteenth coming up, if you have a medium sized telescope,
you'll be able to see it for yourself. Now, we'll
you be able to see all of the true details
of this object. That part, I'm not entirely sure. But
what I do know is that over the coming weeks
it'll still be visible in the night sky, and that
(18:05):
there's going to be a lot of telescopes pointing at it,
both from civilians and from private companies and government companies
as well like government agencies. So will as the weeks progress,
we should be receiving more answers. Well, it's going to
reach its closest approach tomorrow. It doesn't mean that we're
going to receive all of the answers tomorrow. We're going
(18:25):
to receive data again as the weeks progress into twenty
twenty six up until you know, March April May, even
when NASA and the ESA finally get their data that
have been collected from the Juice spacecraft, from the Hair spacecraft,
and a few others. And it's one part that really
(18:47):
shocks me and I want to hear both of your
opinions on that is this is a global phenomenon, like
everyone around the world is interested in this, but it
seems that the United States really has their hand on it,
really controlling the narrative on this. Why are other countries
being so quiet? Yes, there are telescopes on the Canary Islands,
(19:10):
there's this one is an image taken from a telescope
in China. But why do you think other countries are
not jumping on the bandwagon firstus say, oh my gosh, guys,
I'm dropping the best information out there. Why are they
waiting on the United States? Do you think, Thiago.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Christina, I really believe that nowadays we don't have those
country I believe they are altogether. I believe that it's
not like the United States, Russia, China. Yes, it is
until a certain sense of relation that we show to
(19:50):
the public. But I truly believe that they are organized
in a way that they agree with many stuff, not
only the and they decide for us how.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Disappointing, but that it's kind of a scary thought. But
it's not a surprising thought, you know, it's it's it's scary, right,
it's you know, it's confirmation of of of something that
I think we're all terrified about. But it's it's probably
the way that it is.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Yeah, we have the proof of it. Well we we.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
We we Thiago, Christina and I uh I do four
live shows a week. I do one live show with
Christina each week. She's on the air every day and
we talk about this exact subject every single day. And
it's a difficult thing to constantly fight this battle and
(20:52):
you don't know what's true and what's not, and you're
being fed a certain thing. And then you have other
people out there, which is where you come into play.
I had said with Christina a few months ago about
about three I atlas is there are too many amateur
(21:13):
astronomers out there now. There's just too many with really
good equipment. Even I have a I have an eight
inch light bucket. Right, I got a pretty good telescope.
It's okay. I want a bigger Yeah, I want a
bigger one. I want a bigger one. But I live
in the desert. But there are so many people out
there that can observe. So it's going to be difficult
(21:37):
to not tell the truth this time around, because there's
too many really really good observers out there, like yourself
that can go, hold on a minute, that's not what
we are seeing. And and so that's this is a
different situation this time around, where we have a there
(22:00):
are hundreds of thousands of amateur astronomers out there looking
at this right now, you know, like yourself. So it's
going to be difficult to lie or mislead I think
moving forward once we start capturing images tonight and tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
Yeah, but you know, the thing is with this kind
of object, we don't have the power of resolution. It's
very bright, and we can't see, for instance, if it
has the shape of a spaceship exactly because it's very bright.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
That's why they have that power.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
The telescopes like the recival that was finished, can use
certain techniques with radio waves that they can have defined ships.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Just google it.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Anywhere on Google a recivle asteroid, and you'll see plenty
of them, and it's very very hard to have the
detailed pictures. Furthermore, we have many astronomers must but most
of them, as the crowd works, are in line with
(23:09):
the narrative. So even that they see anything strange, they
will be biased to to say it's natural and never
consider the alien hypothesis.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
And that's important as well.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
And neither in itself is close minded. You need to
consider all the possibilities, no matter how strange. And you know,
Aviy Lobe has made some very interesting statements recently that
he looked at this from a terrorist perspective. If there's
even a one percent chance that a place, a location,
(23:44):
or a person is in danger, people and agencies are
going to do everything that they can to protect their
civilians even with just one percent. That same mentality can
be attached on over the three I at lists that
one percent of it not being a natural commet, but
something that is biological that might be a spacecraft. And
(24:07):
the approach that a lot of these agencies are taking
and I buy it like that's valid, is that it's
only one of three interstellar objects that has ever been
so close to Earth. So regardless on if you see
this as a spacecraft or as a comet, this is
one of the best moments for astronomers and others to
(24:28):
collect so much data from an object that is not
from our solar system. That's why it is behaving so strange.
The elements are different. It's acting them from a natural
comment that we see here in our solar system. Some
believe that it's millions, if not billions of years old.
All of these things are so valuable and so interesting
(24:49):
that I don't think we can actually be disappointed on
if it is a spacecraft or if it ends up
just being a natural commet. We won't get those answers
until after December nineteenth, at least I hope so we
get some answers because we still seem very much in
the dark. Yes, there are about fifteen anomalies now that
(25:11):
have been looked at by AVI Lobe. Yes we are
getting more images by amateur astronomers and by agencies as well,
but it just seems that overall we still don't really
know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Well, the problem, here's the problem is I see it
they because they put the comment label on this object.
They have to stick to that. They can't back off
of that. So all of the data that is collected,
all of the spectrometer analysis, all of the sensor data,
(25:52):
everything that they can apply to it, they are forcing that, right,
It's trying to force a square into a whole circle.
And by doing that, they're taking the data and forcing
it into the known comet information that we have collected
over the years. It doesn't fit, it doesn't work, but
(26:15):
they're forcing it into that so it can maintain the
narrative that they have built on. But everything, everything that
has been shown, measured and analyzed about this object, none
of it has ever been part of what a normal
comet is that is in and around our solar system. No,
(26:39):
of course, it's apparently as interstellar. Okay, I'll go with that.
So the creation of a comet in another star system
may be different than what is traditionally a comet here.
I get that part too, But they haven't spoken about
it in this way. They are just dismissing it. Oh,
(27:00):
it's a comment, and and and that's it, and there
are and here's our reasons why. But they're making the
data fit our traditional comment when none of it represents
a comment that that we have seen in the past.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
What do you think of the recently of space agencies
running these defense drills like the International Asteroid Warnings.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
The whole, the whole, the whole planet is part of
that drill. So there are there are twenty four countries
Portugals involved, so is Spain, Great Britain, Russia, China, Israel,
Brazil is involved, Mexico's involved, Canada is involved, Australia. Uh yeah,
twenty four countries all on a practice drill for now.
(27:52):
They're doing two things. Obviously the opportunity of three I Atlas,
but there are other asteroids also in the area too
as well that come into play for this early warning system.
And their goal now, this is the mission statement, is
we will process the information so we can learn how
(28:16):
to deflect these objects from hitting Earth. That's the stated goal.
And they're going to be running these by the way,
this entire it's just like the movie Don't Look Up.
It's the same. It's like, don't look up, but for real, right,
they're going to be running these drills, Christina and Thiago
until the end of January. It's not over this week.
(28:39):
They're going to run this for and they've been doing
it since November, by the way, so November, December, January
ninety days.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Yeah, there are many objects like asteroids and death appear
from nowhere, and even comments like the view one boriso
that appeared from nowhere, how to swim another one now
recently and actually the bodies of disappeared and nobody knows
where it went to.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
But there are.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Many threats to the earth, many many, many threats to
the Earth. One thing is and they are working on
that for a long time. But what I believe that
happened here was that at some point, probably most likely
we those high rise images from NASA, they realized the
reality and they realized that this can be something else.
(29:32):
But one thing is what they share between them and
other countries as well included. And other thing is what
they spread to the accolades and to the crowd, so
the accolades will repeat what they want them to repeat,
so the system is lubricated in a way that everything
(29:53):
will work. And they kept, they kept, and they keep
the good information. So they know very well that we
can't watch deeper than this. We can, yes, we can
analys jets, we can do spectrum tree, even amateur surroundomers
can do that kind of work, but we can't have
(30:14):
a shape and clear and detailed image of the surface
as they have from Mars et cetera.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Or the Moon.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
We can't with our telescopes. The problem is that they
know that and they have that power. But they can
just simply decide to just don't show them and that's
it and let it move on, and they will speculate
and tiney fix tin files like that.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah that's power.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Bam bam, like to hit them, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Well done. And here what do you make of the
When it first appeared behind Jupiter right back in July
and we started tracking it and looking at it, there
was a weird statement that was put out and then
kind of disappeared. Avvy Lowe sees on it. But it's this,
(31:16):
it's self illuminating. Now, wait a minute, what comment in
the history of everything? Somebody talked to me like I'm
five years old, what comment has ever done that? The
only reason why we observe comments is they reflect the
light of the sun. That's why we see them. They're
(31:38):
not self illuminating. So what is glowing on the inside
of this object?
Speaker 4 (31:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Propulsal system lights Christmas tree. I don't know, but something
is lighting it up from the inside. And they put
that statement out and then never came back to it.
Did they jumped the gun to get ahead of their skis?
And what do you make, Thiago of this self illuminating
(32:06):
part of three?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I as, yeah, they keep studying the brightness of it,
the pulses of light. There were at least two that
I remember to studies about that brightness to the pulses,
the change of color. There's many things, Jimmy. And the
last one is that jet that is super weird. The
jet pointing like a needle, pointing always towards the sun
(32:31):
when it was supposed to be the opposite. So the
impact from the solar wind makes like your hair in
the wind goes behind you, goes away from from your head,
all the air with the wind. It's exact the exact
same thing with the with any comet, and the other
comets do that. This one rarely pointing a needle without
(32:52):
any al pointing or insignificant pointing a needle, A super
massive jet towards the sun always, it's still doing that.
We were capturing yesterday live the three Iatas for the
first time after Pierhelion, the closest approach to the sand,
and I was surprised. I was kind of very excited
(33:13):
to see that. I forgot to upload the image to
see that jet. Now I can see that jet. We
all can see with the telescopes. You with that eight
inch as well. It's super weird. There are many the
nickel without almost no iron, that is something industriality.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
They know that.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
The argument it's that it's because it's different in the
universe far away. They pushed far, far away because we
can't confirm that. So what's the reason behind all of this?
It's the big question, why is viable to consider the
hypothesis of something that doesn't exist naturally, like the nickel
(33:57):
without iron, but my exist somewhere else that we don't know,
but aliens know. After sending problems like right right, right.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
That's exactly it isn't it isn't that isn't that insane?
Is an insane way, that's shenanigans. That's an insane way
to run science. It's not all of the possibilities. Let's
see what's going on. Let's gather our minds together and
(34:29):
and work through this. And discuss this. And one of
the things that needs to be on the table is aliens. Yeah,
how can you have that on the table? Right?
Speaker 4 (34:41):
It's crazy?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
And no, go ahead please.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Because I just remind me because today evil O, I've
just published a conversation between him and the mainstream you
can clearly see when reading, and the most ridiculous argument
against dipotheses of AVI Lop. So considering that AVI Lop
shouldn't pick anomalies because they could be many anomalies. If
(35:08):
the object was instead of going to next to Jupiter
or whatever, could be another planet and it will be
an anomaly as well, and that scientists should predict the
anomalies something very obsolete, something crazy.
Speaker 4 (35:23):
They act constrained.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
They are super constrained, all of them. It's like I
am outside of that bubble. And I can see it
clearly how they act and they because they act always
the same the same way. It's crazy. And I believe
that you feel the same, Jimmy, because it's it's insane,
(35:44):
as you said, insane, it.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
Is it is.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And I'll say this about Avi Lobe. I know Thiago,
we have just met, and the audience knows about most
of this. Some sort of Christina. I know Avi Lobe,
and I've known Avi Lobe for a long time. I've
hung out with Av. I've had dinner with Avi. He's
been on my TV show, He's been on my radio
(36:07):
show many, many, many many times. He's a great guy.
I will say this about Avi. Okay, he only speaks
about what the data supports. He doesn't go out into
little green men land. He didn't even like to have that.
(36:27):
I've tried to have that conversation with him.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
He just won't do it.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
He only looks at the data, processes it, and he's
got his you know, his people that work with him.
They look at the data and they they come up
with the hypothesis. What is supported by the data. That's it.
He's not some alien spaceship I've been abducted. Great, No,
(36:56):
that's not. He is a scientist, a peer sign that
looks at the data and analyzes it. So when he
makes these statements out of the public about three I atlas,
it is only only one supported by the data that
he has. That's it, you know. Yeah, the data is
(37:20):
supporting something very strange here. That's how he's He's never
said it's an alien mothership. Man, you know take cover.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
No, they use that mantra to try to really cool him.
And he never ever said that. And besides, I'm I
can because I'm not a scientist and I don't own
anything to anybody. I can do my my show with
the my alien belief freely. But when he was there
(37:49):
the last time, I believe I was excited with the
alien stuff, and he kind of hold on your horse's Thiago,
because that yes, if only if eats alien. So you
are looking me, slow down, Thiago.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
So it's a lie that they eats a mantra that
they use against Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, And I just want to be very clear on this.
And and Avy is brave enough, Christina, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
How you doing.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
I'm enjoying hearing what you guys have to say. I'm
fully invested. Like everybody else in the chat, I want
to hear more.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I appreciate that. I appreciate that the uh. I am
so appreciative of Avy to have the courage to just
speak about the data. Other physicists, other astronomers can look
at the same data and they think these thoughts, but
(38:49):
they won't say them out loud.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Different Well, there's a few different reasons for that. Jimmy,
first of all a few different reas avi Avy Lobe
set the blueprint for Amuamua in twenty seventeen called that
an alien spacecraft. Also, these other scientists have a huge
fear of losing their their scott like, their their money,
their funding. Abby low Is is different in that mentality,
(39:13):
like he has his GALLEYO project is he's still getting funding,
but he's getting funded funding because he is known to
be the scientist to consider these more outlandish possibilities. One
thing that really stood out to me about him, if
we're going to continue this conversation, was that paper that
he wrote with the then the former chief of Aero,
(39:34):
doctor Sean Kirkpatrick, that what if Omuamua is dropping these
dandelion seeds which is like the equivalent of these drones
within our solar system to collect more data as to
what's going on. I found that was a really interesting
paper because off of what you're what you stated Jimmy
(39:55):
is that he doesn't say things without having the data
to back it up. And and then simultaneously for doctor
Sean Kirkpatrick to be a co writer for that paper
where he was the guy that would debunk everything. Nothing
to see here. He actually didn't even want to be
anywhere in public. He hated it so much to then
(40:16):
co write that paper of oh yeah, oh Muhama dropping
dandelion seeds, these these AI probes to collect data. Didn't
you find that so weird when that paper came out
just a few years ago. Was there data to back
that up? Or was it just merely a very interesting
thought to consider and use your imagination on.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Well, if you remember, like two weeks later, you and
I did a show on this. Two weeks later, he
does his uh thing with Congress Kirkpatrick and completely flip flopped.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
That's right, you know.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
So he goes from supporting this hypothesis, you know, of
an alien mothership coming through the star system, you know,
seating and dropping off probes. He went from that with
Abby to showing up at Congress saying, man, you know what,
there's nothing alien. I've looked at all the data. There's
(41:16):
something I don't even know why I'm here today.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, his attitude was definitely.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
Who wrote the paper? Where was that guy? And we
get that. Yeah, that was bizarre for him to do
a flip flop in front of all of us too.
It was he wasn't even hiding it. He just he
just revealed himself. But it goes back to Thiago. But
you were saying earlier, they're all playing this game together,
(41:43):
aren't they.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah, yeah, but these apotheses eats the seating apothesis.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
It's very viable.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
He didn't tell that was alien. He used the same method.
He can be alien or it can be natural, but
it's probably alien because of the the acceleration and acceleration
randomly that was nothing to have nothing to do with
the commat going further away from the sand, the cigar shaped,
(42:16):
no tail, nothing at all, neither a jet, nothing but
the seeding of these objects and three iye at was
Now it's very viable. The hypothesis was that it can
be natural because of this or these, but that jet
is super non natural, so it can probably has some probes,
(42:37):
a swarm of probes there.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
The thing is Jimmy and and Christina.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
If there are probes there to be sent to whatever
it's a or whatever it is. If there are probes,
they are tiny compared to the size of the mothership.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Who can we.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Can tell that and they will be non detectable by
us because they are very small. We can't even detect
a small asteroid that is big to us, but comparing
to a probe, it will be undetectable.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
Until it reached the Earth.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
So that's why Evil said, maybe it's important to track
now during these coming months, not only the months, the
UAP activity on Earth, to see and compare with the
previous activity to see if there's any difference, because maybe
there can be probes gather information or whatever about us.
Speaker 4 (43:34):
Yes, and this is the right moment to do this.
Tomorrow are you going.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
To be Are you going to be imaging for the
next twenty four hours?
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Oh, jimmy, I was yesterday struggling to watch a space
and an opportunity in the sky because it's very cloudy
today is super cloudy.
Speaker 4 (43:52):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
I was planning to do after this participation year, but
I'm afraid it's not.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Well. Say well, and tomorrow I will be.
Speaker 3 (44:02):
I will be waiting for an opportunity as well.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yes, come out to my house. I live in the
Mare Hobby Desert and it's going to be a.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
New moon as well, so it's literally the best time
to observe it where this light is not infecting infecting
the images. We just have a few minutes left, so
I want to ask you both a last question, and
that is, if this turns out to one hundred percent
be artificial, how do you think the announcement would be handled?
(44:35):
And do you think it would even be addressed or
would be brushed to the side and say, Okay, guys,
they're actually not going to.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
Tell the public this.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
We're just going to leave it be and just never
address it. Thiago, what do you think.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
I think they will hie A as much as they
can while they can. If there's a moment that they can't.
Because there's an Independence Day spaceship over the White House
during several days and all the people will watch it,
they will.
Speaker 4 (45:05):
They will do their quack stuff as.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Usual as they do with other humans, and they will
treat as like.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
As well. I believe that they will use that for
the control Kenny.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's gonna be like that Steven Spielberg Disclosure Day trail
that air yesterday. It'll be like this. This is the announcement.
Speaker 4 (45:34):
That's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
They're going to freak out. Yeah, Christina, thank you so much. Thiago,
You're amazing and I look forward to uh getting your
images and hearing your reports back over the next twenty
(45:57):
four hours, and uh, Christine, let's get him back on
the show next week.
Speaker 4 (46:02):
All right, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (46:03):
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