December 11, 2025 • 43 mins
In this episode Cristina Gomez and Jimmy Church look at the very latest news, and the road taken so far towards a Government UFO Disclosure revealing that we are not alone in the universe, and that we are being visited by species from other worlds and advanced extraterrestrial civilizations.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Who is the real gatekeeper of UFO disclosure? Is it
the government or the visitors themselves? How long have they
been here? How many times do they even consider disclosing themselves? Now,
regardless of the answers, the US government is now addressing
this issue in their own way, opening people's minds to
this topic, and they have been for quite a few
(00:34):
years now. We have a lot to cover, So let
me bring in my co host and mentor, Jimmy Church
a fate of black radio that was fast jumping straight
into it because we've missed you. It's been several weeks
since we've done a live stream of that.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
My fault, your fault, not my fault.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hours help me put the blame on me, Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So good to be back. Happy holidays. Ready is your
tree up? I got my tree? Look?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I love it. It's very cute.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's this tall, but you know it's it's some trickery.
But it looks big, doesn't it look?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It does look really big. It looks lovely.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, it comes up to my knee. But so but anyway, Uh,
we're you need some holiday festive.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Stuff Santa hat on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's going to get We've done that before we had
before we both wore Santa hats.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, we done what two Christmases?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Maybe free?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know what. Okay, I'm gonna say real quick before
we move on. Happy holidays everybody, and I hope everybody's
just enjoying themselves. But I got I'm gonna make this
really quick. I got a holiday Harley T shirt okay,
as you should well, and I bought right and it's
(02:01):
got you know, and I was just by, you know,
is it my size? You know? Yes, it's just I
just buy whatever's available. Knew at Harley, and so I
got this and I got it home and I took
a second look at it. It's got a woman scantily
clad with a Santa hat sitting on this Harley Davidson. Okay,
(02:28):
you can't wear that in public.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
A small tail, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I took a look at it. I was I was
going to a party over the weekend, which I did do,
and I looked at I can't wear it. I can't
wear I can wear it around the house. It's really
really funny. That's the world that we live in today,
and it's about respect right to everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But it's officially pajama ware now.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Exactly that you wear it outside when you wash your
car or whatever. But anyway, this is an interesting subject
that we're doing today with the broad you know, scope
of a term right imminent disclosure? Are we here? So
normally I ask you, Christina, what brought this up this week?
(03:17):
Do you feel I don't have to ask that, but
I will ask this. Do you feel, Christina Gomez, do
you feel disclosure is imminent?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I did put a pull up on YouTube and eighty
over eighty percent people said no, We're not going to
be getting it, at least from the government anytime soon.
The thing is that while they have been discussing this
more publicly since about twenty seventeen, disclosure is not going
to come from the government. It's going to come from
the people or the visitors themselves, and they have any
(03:52):
opportunity to do so. It's just kind of up to
them on if they feel that we're ready or not.
They've how long have they been here? You know? We
have heard stories over the centuries about UFO visitation, alien visitation,
and yet here we are still having the conversation of
UFO disclosure. We're at eleven fifty nine right now, and
especially with the environment that we're in, both politically and
(04:16):
on a social level, it really seems that the UFO
phenomenon is on a lot of people's minds and hearing
people mention that President Trump has been briefed on UFOs,
is he going to be the disclosure president? Well, knowing
his temperament, knowing how much he likes to shock people,
out of all the presidents that the US has had
(04:39):
so far, Trump seems to be the most likely to
drop that information out to the public. Do you think
that's a possibility or do you think maybe the next
president or the one after that might be talking about
UFOs and coming on our TV and say, American people.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Aliens, did I miss your answer?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I answered it did. Are you of the Are you
of the eighty per I was listening. Are you of
the eighty percentile?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Are you okay? All right? I didn't vote, but I'm
certainly in the eighty percentile. The Now back to your
question about the Oval office, and and I'm not going
to take the orange bait on that, but I will
say this. I will say that I'm not sure if
(05:35):
if he is the guy every president that has come
in it seemed like it was a possibility, and there
was a lot of researchers. I said, this is the
year and this and and we missed that right and
and each opportunity that has been there, it seemed really
(05:56):
really close this time around. And I'm going to to
say this with complete respect not only to your audience,
but this beautiful country of ours. We've got a lot
of messes. And those messes that and those fires that
are burning everywhere have to be dealt with. And I'm
(06:20):
not sure if the UFO agenda and the UAP agenda
and the disclosure agenda can take over that. For those
that are in Washington, there is a lot of There's
a lot of crazy stuff and basic stuff too. The
economy is a really big deal, and we're coming up
(06:43):
on a midterm right now, and with everything else that
is happening, there is a focus on that stuff because
of the midterm. Would I like disclosure and UFOs and
u aps and et and contact to be a part
of those midterm elections, That would be great. I'm not
(07:05):
so sure that the rest of the country right now
is thinking about this too as well. Our community is different,
but the temperature of the country and the temperature of
the world is dictating to some other things and very
broad important issues that need to be taken care of.
And that's my take. So when you're looking at the
(07:27):
Oval Office and the daily briefings and concerns and elections
and everything else that is going on, is the UFO
subject right there and in front there's the American public
has other things that they need to have dealt with.
As big of an issue as it is, I just
(07:50):
don't see that happening, especially with midterms. That's my take.
I don't think I'm wrong. I may not even be right, Christine,
but the world is influx, and the UFO issue, in
the UAP issue is right there in the middle of it, right.
But we've got a lot of stuff that is pretty
smoky and covering it up, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
There seems to be But even if we look at
all the previous presidential candidates that have run for election,
you know, from twenty sixteen onward, they kept mentioning, once
I've become president, I will release UFO information. Fernie Sanders
said this, Hillary Clinton said this, Trump said this up
until the more recent elections. So maybe these midterms it
(08:37):
might be a different dynamic compared to previous years, especially
with the latest NDAA that was made public for twenty
twenty six. While it is still running through the house
seeing if everything was going to pass through. UFOs were
mentioned a few times, and in this case for the NDAA,
it was stated that they Congress and I'm assuming here
(08:59):
it's Schumer Rounds, these two congressmen, they want Norrad and
Northcom to release their UFO intercepts since January of two
thousand and four. Now, usually with the uapdaight, most of
it is gutted. All we've gotten from it so far
is the creation of ARROW and them just releasing a
few reports like the ones that were talking about to
(09:21):
the annual reports and then the previous UFO offices all
the way from nineteen forty five. But it would be
very interesting to see if we're going to see if
Norrad and Northcom are going to follow suit on that,
if it'll get passed. But even the mystery drone situation
really hasn't gone away, and flying over all these very
(09:42):
highly sensitive and restricted locations across the US and now
even Europe. It's following the same framework as the New
Jersey drone flap incident. So I wonder that you know,
if behind the scenes the disclosure question is still a
kind of hot potato or more officials might be saying
that keeping the littleness is getting more and more impossible
(10:05):
with all the things that are taking place, like the
New Jersey incident and the one taking place in Europe.
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, you're right on all of those points, and it's
a really good argument. But if we look now at
this historically and I'm not in any way throwing water
on this, I'm not doing that. But if we go
back to December twenty seventeen and the New York Times
and the release of those three videos that happened back
(10:35):
in twenty seventeen, I you all of us this community
extremely excited, and it seemed like at that point where
we had press conferences and the Pentagon and the White
House and the press briefings and everything that was whoa right.
(10:55):
It was just so fast, and it caught the attention
of a lot of people and the public who were
now being brought into the UFO question in the UFO
community and thinking about what is really going on with
this secret Pentagon UFO program and the years of denial,
decades of denial. It's now twenty twenty five. Eight years
(11:22):
have gone by. Eight years.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That would be really fast, too, honest, it went.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
By really really fast. And now the veterans of the
UFO community Christina, every single year we sit back and go, Okay,
it's this the year. Is this the year? Is this
the We're quite used to this. Those that came into
the UFO community that were new in twenty seventeen and
(11:47):
we welcome them all thought that this is how it
plays out. You just go in, you bring it up.
The government's going to disclose, and it didn't take long.
We've got the New York Times, we've got these videos,
we've got TTSA, we've got this madness that is happening,
and now we're going to have disclosure right now, this month, today,
(12:10):
next week. Well, twenty eighteen came and went, didn't it,
And so did nineteen, so to twenty twenty one, two,
twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, and now we are
moving into twenty six. We are used to this. We
have kept the fight up and have never stopped. The
(12:30):
UFO community and researchers, you know, and this is just
another year. We keep the pressure on and we keep
this thing moving forward. I think that some people were
a little bit surprised that probably came into the UFO
community Christina and then moved on after six months or
a year and maybe even got bored with it. But
(12:54):
the UFO community itself is very solid, and we know
that because of the congressional hearings and what the media
is doing. What is not only happening inside of the
Pentagon and Washington, DC, but the world itself is now
recognizing this, and science is supporting the size of the universe,
(13:16):
and we understand the basics here. So we're getting closer
and closer. I want to addruss your point. You said
not from the government, but from ET themselves. I think
that's exactly what's going on. I think that is happening
more and more with three i AT lists and everything.
(13:36):
This kicks up the awareness and people follow up and
do their research and question what is the information that
has been fed back to us from an official point
of view, And that is great. We have to question
everything and put the trust in ourselves and keep this
(13:56):
thing moving forward. So ET showing up up, the government
would have to respond and I've always maintained that position.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well simultaneously, it seems that all the years that we
have talking been talking about this, Jimmy, I think that
we are consistently highlighting. So at the end of the
year we talk about, Okay, what was covered this year?
When it comes to UFO news updates and sightings, And
from my own research, it seems that every single year,
from about twenty twenty to present day, UFOs are infiltrating
(14:30):
the news even more. We're getting more information, we're getting
more sightings, the media is covering it more. Congress and
the government is covering it more in the United States
and in other countries. Okay, this is not just a
US phenomenon. It's taking place all over the world. And
looking at all the previous years, twenty twenty five seems
to be the most rich, the most condensed when it
(14:53):
comes to all the UFO information, particularly coming from within
the government. We have seen so many Congressmen like Luna Burchett, Burlison,
jillibrand Rubio has been really big on the news lately,
all addressing this. Now they have been for quite a
few years, but it seems like this year in particular,
(15:15):
twenty twenty five. They have been so gun ho about it.
They've been so vocal about it, especially with the creation
of the task Force run by Luna, all of these
congressmen being on a bunch of shows, podcasts, on these
media platforms as well, all addressing this. And now with
(15:35):
Trump also talking about him speaking to pilots during his
first term about UFOs and things like this, I think
it's really interesting how how far we've come over these
last few years.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'll go even bigger than that. I'll go even bigger.
Dave Chappelle, Yeah, Dave Chappelle. When Dave Chappelle two years ago,
He's got a new comedy special out right, He's so
huge and has so much influence. His audience is not
(16:16):
our UFO community. But he went out on stage and
said very loudly, so, man, I'm walked in this hotel room.
The weather was bad and COVID and I found out
UFOs are real, right, aliens are real. I've been watching
(16:37):
these videos and he went off on this it. You know,
it's Dave Chappelle. He's going to make a joke or
too about it. But saying that to that broad audience
is exactly what you're talking about it's the influence of
everything else coming in and then cycling back out into
(16:58):
the mainstream a venue like the voice of Dave Chappelle,
and it addresses your point exactly. You know, this is
a really, really big deal. I think that the world
has taken notice. Now let's let's back up. You mentioned
Marco Rubio. I do want to get into grush and
(17:18):
some other things too as well. But Marco Rubio, for
a long time when things were kicking up, and I'm
talking about five years ago, six years ago, TMZ following
him around. He was on the Senate Intelligence Committee at
that time, senator from Florida, and he's getting he's getting
(17:41):
the questions. He's getting the real questions, and he the
hard questions, and he was answering them directly, right, okay,
all right? Et here contact and what is the Senate
Intelligence Committee doing about this? Are they going to be hearing?
What do you think? And now he's second Terry of State,
(18:01):
So what is that conversation when it comes to et
that he is having internally not only with the President
but his Secretary of state other countries? Right? Is this
is subject that he is still being asked about internally?
And is he continuing to push internally? That's a key
(18:24):
question when it comes from Marco Rubio. His body language now,
I think has shifted a little bit. When he was
a Senator from Florida, he was very serious and very
stern about it. It seems softer to him the subject
right now. So as we move forward, how is Marco
Rubio dealing with us Anna Paulina Luna direct? She's direct,
(18:51):
She's very direct, Burlison, Burgette very direct. Jilibrand always been
very very very direct. See if they continue this push
through the midterms, and see how we move forward. But
the key here, I agree, is Marco Rubio in his
influence in the Oval office.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Your observation is very interesting and actually one I didn't
even notice that you think that he has become more
soft on this topic now with his new position compared
to when he was senator of Florida as we can remember,
but it was like what twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
he did give an interview with News Nation, mentioning that
he has had people confide in him with their UFO
(19:33):
sightings and encounters. He is hoping for more whistleblower protection
and things like this. But if we look at these
more modern, these more recent interviews that he has given
about his viewpoints on UFOs, it does, in my opinion,
still seem pretty stern. It still seems like he is
(19:54):
still pushing the needle on this, but now with his
new position, hopefully he is getting briefed on this much
more than previously. We have also seen Vice President j
d Vance address this, mentioning that he's always had an
interest in this topic, but it's not an easy not
to crack. The Director of National Intelligence Toolcy Gabbert has
also addressed this and say you met she still has
(20:15):
a lot of questions, particularly pertaining to the New Jersey
drone incident. She knows the official answer to this created
by the government, but she still has a lot of questions.
So I feel like I feel like seeing these people
show a level of skepticism, knowing that they do not
feel like they are getting all of the legitimate answers
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that should catch a lot of people's interest and attention.
I mean, even Timbershead has mentioned so many times that
he does not trust the government and he is in it.
He knows that they are being we we are being
lied to when it comes to the UFO phenomenon, the
UFO legacy programs. Matthew Brown did an interview not too
(21:01):
long ago addressing that when he read about the legacy
program the transcript that was run by Arrow, Rubio asked
about it, and Arrow brushed it off incredibly quickly, which
is disappointing. And even even Arrow in itself has just
been not the best office for public interest. But I
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think that hearing these overall, just hearing these congressmen address
this topic showing a level of skepticism might be in
the right direction.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Anything in you know, even if it's baby steps, is
awesome for sure. And when you look at the efforts
of lu number Chad and Burlasson and certainly Jillibrand and
Well and Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio is now Secretary of State.
But if we look at the big picture here right
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how everybody's dealing with. We have wars that are continuing
on this planet. We have the economy, we have the
healthcare issue that is absolutely ginormous. We've got a situation
brewing right now in Venezuela, and all of these officials
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have to deal with these other issues too as well.
So this is what we need to concern ourselves with
how do we as a community keep this up, keep
this visible, and keep this moving forward with the efforts
of you know, Danny Shean and others to keep this
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alive in Washington is very very important, just because we've
made these great strides, Christina, it's not a time to
relax and let them play it out and let them
we've given them the tools. No that's not the case. No, No,
we have to keep the pressure on. So as a community,
how do we do that? It's social media is such
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a powerful tool and it shows like yours and other
efforts from podcasters out there and TV networks and the
news and the media to keep this alive, right, we
have to keep that up and keep that visible. It
is absolutely crucial. This isn't the time to relax. Here's
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my other concern, and I'm going to voice this very
very very loudly. I don't want to see the fear
card played when it comes to ET. I don't want
to see that approach.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Do you think it will happen?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's always been a method of control for every nation,
every nation state, every leader going back for thousands of years.
You know, how to keep people in control. You use
fear to do that. You can't throw flowers and flower
pedals and confetti in the air and keep people's interest.
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It doesn't work that way. Fear is a control thing.
And when you turn around and you lie about ET,
and you lie about alien and contact and what's going on,
and flip that over into a national security fear issue
to catch the attention of the United States, other politicians,
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the Pentagon, everything else, to play the fear card. When
I have done thousands of shows, thousands of interviews to
the I've been researching this for fifty years. As far
as I know, there hasn't been any fear presented from ET.
I'm not talking about abductions and craziness and that that's
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a scary thing to go through, But I'm talking about
a national security issue. Has anything like that ever been
reported on by the ME? Has? Have? Have we been attacked? Have?
And that's that's what I don't want to see play out,
is a misrepresentation of what life in the universe possibly
(25:14):
can be, what our experience with contact has been, and
how it may be in the future. I don't want
to see the fear card used. I'm not scared of ET.
Our community isn't scared of ET. We want this, We
want this to be pushed forward. I don't want to
see the fear card played. It misrepresents, uh, the real,
(25:39):
the real efforts of what is going on. If ET
wanted this planet, they take it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So do you feel that, well, Jimmy, do you feel
that the national security threatned narrative falls in line with
the fear narrative in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
There's two ways to look at it. So I will
say yes and yes to both of these. The question
of are we alone in the universe? That is our
right as humans as Earthlings to know that information. Okay,
that there is no question about that. We should be
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told the truth if there is a technology that we
have and we don't want exposed to our adversaries. And
let's be honest here, there are bad people on this planet.
There are there's bad people that would take advantage of
something like that. Am I okay with keeping some things
(26:41):
secret like that? Yeah? I am, I am. I want
to feel safe. I don't want some secret alien tech
to fall into the hands of bad players. So I
agree with that. But that's not a national security issue
that they are referring to they put a blanket over
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all of it, that it's all a national security issue,
and that's that's not true. That is simply not true.
If there is life out there in the universe and
we know about it and we've made contact, tell us
that is our right. That isn't some secret that is
only for the privileged few to have. No, we have
that right as earthlinks. So if there's some secret tech
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and that's crazy town and you need to keep that
on the down low, okay, all right, keep me and
my children safe, keep this country safe, keep the world safe.
All right, I'm okay with that. So it's like a yes,
yes on both sides.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well, you know something that has been mentioned a lot,
especially for those that really aren't in this community, in
this field of Okay, so aliens come Forwardard, we got disclosure,
but I still need to pay my bills, still go
to my nine to five. Do you think I'm asking
you this and everyone listening as well. Do you think
UFO disclosure would genuinely change society or do you think
(28:09):
we're going to still live the same life that we
always have.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That the it would change radically for the better. What
it would do is an announce and show us that
we are Earthlings, that we represent planet Earth, and we
are going to represent planet Earth to our et brothers
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and sisters out there, and we're going to represent as Earthlings,
not as Canadians and Americans and Chinese and Japanese and
Russian and factions and borders and religions and divisiveness. No,
it will unite us as a planet and start to
recognize that we are all the same. We're just earth wings.
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We all share DNA. That's what would radically change. And
I'll be honest with you, I can understand why the
power brokers on this planet don't want that. They don't
want us to all get along. They don't. That's that
fear factor, that's that control factor. If all of those
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veils were removed that are put up between us and
we just step back and go, well, okay, we represent Earth.
There's other stuff out there. We need to come together.
We need to have a reason to move forward as
a planet, to keep this place great, to keep us alive,
to keep us healthy, learn and get knowledge together and
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move forward and evolve as a species of Earthlings. That's
what it would change. It would change radically, and what's
the difference, Christina, there's two things here. There's two there's
no gray area in the middle. We are alone, we
are not. That's it. If we are told that we
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are alone, that we are all there is in the universe,
that what's the reason for being, what's the reason for loving,
what's the reason for moving forward? Now? If we're alone,
let's just party. It's just there's nothing, there's nothing to
live for. But if we are not alone, now we
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have a goal, we have something to move forward to
as a planet. So yeah, it is a radical, radical situation.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It definitely resonates with the Ronald Reagan's speech that he
gave to the un of for sure, if we have
this access, if we have this outside threat, would it
bring humanity together? And it seems that a lot of
people agree. And then there are those that saytan, no,
I don't think it'll make a difference. But I'm on
the same boat as you. I think it will really
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change how we think of everything. How it'll affect our society,
our religion, philosophy, all of these different things will be
shifted when there is this global awareness. Because individuals that
have had their own UFO sidings or encounters that's disclosure
for them. That's all they need. It's all that's really
(31:26):
is hearing government disclosure. Well, they have the biggest audience, right,
everyone's listening to them, even if they agree with them
or disagree. People are always listening to the government and
how they handle this situation. But I think that I
think it would just like yourself, I think it would
really change how we overall look at this for the better. Now,
(31:48):
would it erase all the barriers of how we try
to be different from others, like with racism and religion
and all these different things. It's like it's always us
against them. Someone that doesn't resonate with you or isn't
like you, they're the enemy. Well, if we get that
form of disclosure, you fo disclosure, would we see them
(32:10):
as like hey, space brothers, or would we all collectively
see them as the enemy? And would it take that
level of fear and hatred to bring humanity together?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
What a choice? When we're flying against something else?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What choice do we have? We don't have a choice
in this. We simply don't have a choice. And then
we have. And what I mean by that is if
that moment comes, and it will and for many of us,
it's already happened. If you had an experience or have
seen something in the sky and you are convinced that
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we are not alone, that's a different situation and disclosure
means something different to them. But in moving forward, what
choice would we have in that we really wouldn't have
a choice. We would be forced into just accepting the situation.
And if we back up and look at the developments
over the last six months with three I Atlas and
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what it is doing not only to the world, but
to our understanding of science and the size of the universe.
The attention and the interest into three I Atlas from
you know, billions of people on this planet that are
not part of our UFO community. That is extraordinary and
(33:32):
coming on the heels of that, because people want to
know is that et is it not? Is it a comment?
Is is it not? What is it? Its closest approach
is coming in just eight days eight days December nineteenth, Right,
we're going to start to really get some good looks
at three I Atlas. What three I Atlas is doesn't matter.
The conversation is happening and the interest is happening, and
(33:56):
that's what matters. The oldest question that we have, Well
we have three Where do we come from? What happens
to us after we die? And are we alone in
the universe? We need that question answered. This is a
question that everybody has. It's a very very important thing
(34:17):
to look at. And three iye atlases presenting that. And
I'm very excited for not only what three I Atlas
has done, but the conversation starter that it gives. It's
such an interesting situation that we find ourselves in with that,
and how will the public react that? By the way,
(34:40):
I quickly want to say, there have been different committees,
different groups put together over the years. Universities, government corporations,
think tanks have all looked at this issue and have
presented what the world would look like if et was here,
(35:05):
And they've always presented we would lose our minds, the
stock markets would crash, religion would fall apart, people would
jump off buildings, and it would just you know, three
I Atlas The New York Times article in December of
(35:27):
twenty seventeen, all of these things are nothing happened. Did
anybody freak out? Did anybody lose their minds? Did any
markets crash? Did the Vatican go poof did Islam fall apart? Nothing,
nothing happened. That's because we want these answers and we
(35:48):
are interested in this subject. So yes, yeah, very interesting times.
Is twenty twenty sixth the year It could be anything
as possible. Have a lot of fires to put out
right now, and if we continue to take care of
not only our situations here at home in America but
(36:09):
in the United States, but around the world. We need
to take care of some stuff. We have some house
cleaning we have to do. And while all of that
is happening, we just have to keep this subject in
visible and keep the awareness up. One last comment and
then I'll flip it over to you. By the way,
(36:31):
Happy holidays everybody. David Grush, David Grush, I appreciate him
so much, and the reason for that is the way
that Congress dealt with it, the way the Committee dealt
with it. He said some things that were never said
(36:55):
in the Capitol Building ever. Ever it was it was unreal.
You and I did many shows about that. We did
that live. Didn't we do a live thing when.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
When Guss They've done quite a few on it.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, right, right, right, wow, right. But for elected representatives
to hear the statements come from Grush like it was.
It was very brave, it was unbelievable, and it was
(37:28):
a huge moment in human history. But it was the
way that the committee members dealt with it. I think
they were a little surprised, they were a little shocked.
They didn't realize that a large majority of things that
they were dealing with on a daily basis or trying
to deal with was being kept from them. And I'm
(37:49):
talking about secret access programs. I'm talking about budgets. I'm
talking about checks that they cut, laws that are passed,
and they are in control. They would like to think
that they are in control of things that go on
in one of our three branches of government. And they
found out that no, that's not the case. They can't
(38:13):
go and investigate this issue. They were shut down. And
that's what David Grush did for us. A lot of
other things too as well, But he really opened the
eyes of a lot of elected officials there in Washington, DC.
And I'm very appreciative for that, and hopefully we will
continue to hear more. I know that he said that
(38:36):
the President has been briefed, well, okay, briefed on what
briefed on what he wants to hear, briefed on what
they felt he should hear. Has he heard everything what
was presented or was it just a national security issue
(38:58):
situation that will be like has been done with many
administrations before, used as a tool to move their agenda forward.
And that's a big concern. We shall see, we shall see.
Do you remember, Christine? I don't want to cut you off.
(39:19):
I'm sorry, and I know I've got so much to
say on the subject. I remember storm Area fifty one?
Remember that? Remember storm? Remember that? You remember you? Remember that?
Remember that? Okay, I saw you running, I saw I
saw you doing that.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I was not doing that.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I saw you. When when the President was asked about that,
he misspoke, And this is my concern. When he said, well,
you know, I know a lot of people want to
go out. I know he was talking about Roswell. He
wasn't talk talking about Area fifty one. He was talking
(40:02):
about something else. And so where is his situational awareness
with this? Is it laser focus? Is it whistleblower testimony?
Is it you know, pilots going on the record. Is
it arrow? Has he seen unreleased top secret videos? Does
(40:24):
he know that we have the possibility of bodies, you know,
an area fifty. I don't know, you know what what
was he exposed to? Is he told about Lockheed and
skunk Works? Does he know about the Wilson Davis document?
You know what? What level of it? You know? I
don't know what was he briefed on. We may never know.
(40:44):
We may never know, but Grush said it, let's see.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And also you have to consider does he have the
need to know? But there is so much more we
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Who is the real gatekeeper of UFO disclosure? Is it
the government or the visitors themselves? How long have they
been here? How many times do they even consider disclosing themselves? Now,
regardless of the answers, the US government is now addressing
this issue in their own way, opening people's minds to
this topic, and they have been for quite a few
(00:34):
years now. We have a lot to cover, So let
me bring in my co host and mentor, Jimmy Church
a fate of black radio that was fast jumping straight
into it because we've missed you. It's been several weeks
since we've done a live stream of that.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
My fault, your fault, not my fault.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Hours help me put the blame on me, Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
So good to be back. Happy holidays. Ready is your
tree up? I got my tree? Look?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I love it. It's very cute.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
It's this tall, but you know it's it's some trickery.
But it looks big, doesn't it look?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It does look really big. It looks lovely.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, it comes up to my knee. But so but anyway, Uh,
we're you need some holiday festive.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Stuff Santa hat on Christmas?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
That's going to get We've done that before we had
before we both wore Santa hats.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Yeah, we done what two Christmases?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Maybe free?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know what. Okay, I'm gonna say real quick before
we move on. Happy holidays everybody, and I hope everybody's
just enjoying themselves. But I got I'm gonna make this
really quick. I got a holiday Harley T shirt okay,
as you should well, and I bought right and it's
(02:01):
got you know, and I was just by, you know,
is it my size? You know? Yes, it's just I
just buy whatever's available. Knew at Harley, and so I
got this and I got it home and I took
a second look at it. It's got a woman scantily
clad with a Santa hat sitting on this Harley Davidson. Okay,
(02:28):
you can't wear that in public.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
A small tail, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I took a look at it. I was I was
going to a party over the weekend, which I did do,
and I looked at I can't wear it. I can't
wear I can wear it around the house. It's really
really funny. That's the world that we live in today,
and it's about respect right to everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
But it's officially pajama ware now.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Exactly that you wear it outside when you wash your
car or whatever. But anyway, this is an interesting subject
that we're doing today with the broad you know, scope
of a term right imminent disclosure? Are we here? So
normally I ask you, Christina, what brought this up this week?
(03:17):
Do you feel I don't have to ask that, but
I will ask this. Do you feel, Christina Gomez, do
you feel disclosure is imminent?
Speaker 1 (03:28):
I did put a pull up on YouTube and eighty
over eighty percent people said no, We're not going to
be getting it, at least from the government anytime soon.
The thing is that while they have been discussing this
more publicly since about twenty seventeen, disclosure is not going
to come from the government. It's going to come from
the people or the visitors themselves, and they have any
(03:52):
opportunity to do so. It's just kind of up to
them on if they feel that we're ready or not.
They've how long have they been here? You know? We
have heard stories over the centuries about UFO visitation, alien visitation,
and yet here we are still having the conversation of
UFO disclosure. We're at eleven fifty nine right now, and
especially with the environment that we're in, both politically and
(04:16):
on a social level, it really seems that the UFO
phenomenon is on a lot of people's minds and hearing
people mention that President Trump has been briefed on UFOs,
is he going to be the disclosure president? Well, knowing
his temperament, knowing how much he likes to shock people,
out of all the presidents that the US has had
(04:39):
so far, Trump seems to be the most likely to
drop that information out to the public. Do you think
that's a possibility or do you think maybe the next
president or the one after that might be talking about
UFOs and coming on our TV and say, American people.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Aliens, did I miss your answer?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I answered it did. Are you of the Are you
of the eighty per I was listening. Are you of
the eighty percentile?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Are you okay? All right? I didn't vote, but I'm
certainly in the eighty percentile. The Now back to your
question about the Oval office, and and I'm not going
to take the orange bait on that, but I will
say this. I will say that I'm not sure if
(05:35):
if he is the guy every president that has come
in it seemed like it was a possibility, and there
was a lot of researchers. I said, this is the
year and this and and we missed that right and
and each opportunity that has been there, it seemed really
(05:56):
really close this time around. And I'm going to to
say this with complete respect not only to your audience,
but this beautiful country of ours. We've got a lot
of messes. And those messes that and those fires that
are burning everywhere have to be dealt with. And I'm
(06:20):
not sure if the UFO agenda and the UAP agenda
and the disclosure agenda can take over that. For those
that are in Washington, there is a lot of There's
a lot of crazy stuff and basic stuff too. The
economy is a really big deal, and we're coming up
(06:43):
on a midterm right now, and with everything else that
is happening, there is a focus on that stuff because
of the midterm. Would I like disclosure and UFOs and
u aps and et and contact to be a part
of those midterm elections, That would be great. I'm not
(07:05):
so sure that the rest of the country right now
is thinking about this too as well. Our community is different,
but the temperature of the country and the temperature of
the world is dictating to some other things and very
broad important issues that need to be taken care of.
And that's my take. So when you're looking at the
(07:27):
Oval Office and the daily briefings and concerns and elections
and everything else that is going on, is the UFO
subject right there and in front there's the American public
has other things that they need to have dealt with.
As big of an issue as it is, I just
(07:50):
don't see that happening, especially with midterms. That's my take.
I don't think I'm wrong. I may not even be right, Christine,
but the world is influx, and the UFO issue, in
the UAP issue is right there in the middle of it, right.
But we've got a lot of stuff that is pretty
smoky and covering it up, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
There seems to be But even if we look at
all the previous presidential candidates that have run for election,
you know, from twenty sixteen onward, they kept mentioning, once
I've become president, I will release UFO information. Fernie Sanders
said this, Hillary Clinton said this, Trump said this up
until the more recent elections. So maybe these midterms it
(08:37):
might be a different dynamic compared to previous years, especially
with the latest NDAA that was made public for twenty
twenty six. While it is still running through the house
seeing if everything was going to pass through. UFOs were
mentioned a few times, and in this case for the NDAA,
it was stated that they Congress and I'm assuming here
(08:59):
it's Schumer Rounds, these two congressmen, they want Norrad and
Northcom to release their UFO intercepts since January of two
thousand and four. Now, usually with the uapdaight, most of
it is gutted. All we've gotten from it so far
is the creation of ARROW and them just releasing a
few reports like the ones that were talking about to
(09:21):
the annual reports and then the previous UFO offices all
the way from nineteen forty five. But it would be
very interesting to see if we're going to see if
Norrad and Northcom are going to follow suit on that,
if it'll get passed. But even the mystery drone situation
really hasn't gone away, and flying over all these very
(09:42):
highly sensitive and restricted locations across the US and now
even Europe. It's following the same framework as the New
Jersey drone flap incident. So I wonder that you know,
if behind the scenes the disclosure question is still a
kind of hot potato or more officials might be saying
that keeping the littleness is getting more and more impossible
(10:05):
with all the things that are taking place, like the
New Jersey incident and the one taking place in Europe.
What are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well, you're right on all of those points, and it's
a really good argument. But if we look now at
this historically and I'm not in any way throwing water
on this, I'm not doing that. But if we go
back to December twenty seventeen and the New York Times
and the release of those three videos that happened back
(10:35):
in twenty seventeen, I you all of us this community
extremely excited, and it seemed like at that point where
we had press conferences and the Pentagon and the White
House and the press briefings and everything that was whoa right.
(10:55):
It was just so fast, and it caught the attention
of a lot of people and the public who were
now being brought into the UFO question in the UFO
community and thinking about what is really going on with
this secret Pentagon UFO program and the years of denial,
decades of denial. It's now twenty twenty five. Eight years
(11:22):
have gone by. Eight years.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That would be really fast, too, honest, it went.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
By really really fast. And now the veterans of the
UFO community Christina, every single year we sit back and go, Okay,
it's this the year. Is this the year? Is this
the We're quite used to this. Those that came into
the UFO community that were new in twenty seventeen and
(11:47):
we welcome them all thought that this is how it
plays out. You just go in, you bring it up.
The government's going to disclose, and it didn't take long.
We've got the New York Times, we've got these videos,
we've got TTSA, we've got this madness that is happening,
and now we're going to have disclosure right now, this month, today,
(12:10):
next week. Well, twenty eighteen came and went, didn't it,
And so did nineteen, so to twenty twenty one, two,
twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, and now we are
moving into twenty six. We are used to this. We
have kept the fight up and have never stopped. The
(12:30):
UFO community and researchers, you know, and this is just
another year. We keep the pressure on and we keep
this thing moving forward. I think that some people were
a little bit surprised that probably came into the UFO
community Christina and then moved on after six months or
a year and maybe even got bored with it. But
(12:54):
the UFO community itself is very solid, and we know
that because of the congressional hearings and what the media
is doing. What is not only happening inside of the
Pentagon and Washington, DC, but the world itself is now
recognizing this, and science is supporting the size of the universe,
(13:16):
and we understand the basics here. So we're getting closer
and closer. I want to addruss your point. You said
not from the government, but from ET themselves. I think
that's exactly what's going on. I think that is happening
more and more with three i AT lists and everything.
(13:36):
This kicks up the awareness and people follow up and
do their research and question what is the information that
has been fed back to us from an official point
of view, And that is great. We have to question
everything and put the trust in ourselves and keep this
(13:56):
thing moving forward. So ET showing up up, the government
would have to respond and I've always maintained that position.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well simultaneously, it seems that all the years that we
have talking been talking about this, Jimmy, I think that
we are consistently highlighting. So at the end of the
year we talk about, Okay, what was covered this year?
When it comes to UFO news updates and sightings, And
from my own research, it seems that every single year,
from about twenty twenty to present day, UFOs are infiltrating
(14:30):
the news even more. We're getting more information, we're getting
more sightings, the media is covering it more. Congress and
the government is covering it more in the United States
and in other countries. Okay, this is not just a
US phenomenon. It's taking place all over the world. And
looking at all the previous years, twenty twenty five seems
to be the most rich, the most condensed when it
(14:53):
comes to all the UFO information, particularly coming from within
the government. We have seen so many Congressmen like Luna Burchett, Burlison,
jillibrand Rubio has been really big on the news lately,
all addressing this. Now they have been for quite a
few years, but it seems like this year in particular,
(15:15):
twenty twenty five. They have been so gun ho about it.
They've been so vocal about it, especially with the creation
of the task Force run by Luna, all of these
congressmen being on a bunch of shows, podcasts, on these
media platforms as well, all addressing this. And now with
(15:35):
Trump also talking about him speaking to pilots during his
first term about UFOs and things like this, I think
it's really interesting how how far we've come over these
last few years.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I'll go even bigger than that. I'll go even bigger.
Dave Chappelle, Yeah, Dave Chappelle. When Dave Chappelle two years ago,
He's got a new comedy special out right, He's so
huge and has so much influence. His audience is not
(16:16):
our UFO community. But he went out on stage and
said very loudly, so, man, I'm walked in this hotel room.
The weather was bad and COVID and I found out
UFOs are real, right, aliens are real. I've been watching
(16:37):
these videos and he went off on this it. You know,
it's Dave Chappelle. He's going to make a joke or
too about it. But saying that to that broad audience
is exactly what you're talking about it's the influence of
everything else coming in and then cycling back out into
(16:58):
the mainstream a venue like the voice of Dave Chappelle,
and it addresses your point exactly. You know, this is
a really, really big deal. I think that the world
has taken notice. Now let's let's back up. You mentioned
Marco Rubio. I do want to get into grush and
(17:18):
some other things too as well. But Marco Rubio, for
a long time when things were kicking up, and I'm
talking about five years ago, six years ago, TMZ following
him around. He was on the Senate Intelligence Committee at
that time, senator from Florida, and he's getting he's getting
(17:41):
the questions. He's getting the real questions, and he the
hard questions, and he was answering them directly, right, okay,
all right? Et here contact and what is the Senate
Intelligence Committee doing about this? Are they going to be hearing?
What do you think? And now he's second Terry of State,
(18:01):
So what is that conversation when it comes to et
that he is having internally not only with the President
but his Secretary of state other countries? Right? Is this
is subject that he is still being asked about internally?
And is he continuing to push internally? That's a key
(18:24):
question when it comes from Marco Rubio. His body language now,
I think has shifted a little bit. When he was
a Senator from Florida, he was very serious and very
stern about it. It seems softer to him the subject
right now. So as we move forward, how is Marco
Rubio dealing with us Anna Paulina Luna direct? She's direct,
(18:51):
She's very direct, Burlison, Burgette very direct. Jilibrand always been
very very very direct. See if they continue this push
through the midterms, and see how we move forward. But
the key here, I agree, is Marco Rubio in his
influence in the Oval office.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Your observation is very interesting and actually one I didn't
even notice that you think that he has become more
soft on this topic now with his new position compared
to when he was senator of Florida as we can remember,
but it was like what twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,
he did give an interview with News Nation, mentioning that
he has had people confide in him with their UFO
(19:33):
sightings and encounters. He is hoping for more whistleblower protection
and things like this. But if we look at these
more modern, these more recent interviews that he has given
about his viewpoints on UFOs, it does, in my opinion,
still seem pretty stern. It still seems like he is
(19:54):
still pushing the needle on this, but now with his
new position, hopefully he is getting briefed on this much
more than previously. We have also seen Vice President j
d Vance address this, mentioning that he's always had an
interest in this topic, but it's not an easy not
to crack. The Director of National Intelligence Toolcy Gabbert has
also addressed this and say you met she still has
(20:15):
a lot of questions, particularly pertaining to the New Jersey
drone incident. She knows the official answer to this created
by the government, but she still has a lot of questions.
So I feel like I feel like seeing these people
show a level of skepticism, knowing that they do not
feel like they are getting all of the legitimate answers
(20:39):
that should catch a lot of people's interest and attention.
I mean, even Timbershead has mentioned so many times that
he does not trust the government and he is in it.
He knows that they are being we we are being
lied to when it comes to the UFO phenomenon, the
UFO legacy programs. Matthew Brown did an interview not too
(21:01):
long ago addressing that when he read about the legacy
program the transcript that was run by Arrow, Rubio asked
about it, and Arrow brushed it off incredibly quickly, which
is disappointing. And even even Arrow in itself has just
been not the best office for public interest. But I
(21:24):
think that hearing these overall, just hearing these congressmen address
this topic showing a level of skepticism might be in
the right direction.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Anything in you know, even if it's baby steps, is
awesome for sure. And when you look at the efforts
of lu number Chad and Burlasson and certainly Jillibrand and
Well and Marco Rubio. Marco Rubio is now Secretary of State.
But if we look at the big picture here right
(21:57):
how everybody's dealing with. We have wars that are continuing
on this planet. We have the economy, we have the
healthcare issue that is absolutely ginormous. We've got a situation
brewing right now in Venezuela, and all of these officials
(22:20):
have to deal with these other issues too as well.
So this is what we need to concern ourselves with
how do we as a community keep this up, keep
this visible, and keep this moving forward with the efforts
of you know, Danny Shean and others to keep this
(22:42):
alive in Washington is very very important, just because we've
made these great strides, Christina, it's not a time to
relax and let them play it out and let them
we've given them the tools. No that's not the case. No, No,
we have to keep the pressure on. So as a community,
how do we do that? It's social media is such
(23:03):
a powerful tool and it shows like yours and other
efforts from podcasters out there and TV networks and the
news and the media to keep this alive, right, we
have to keep that up and keep that visible. It
is absolutely crucial. This isn't the time to relax. Here's
(23:25):
my other concern, and I'm going to voice this very
very very loudly. I don't want to see the fear
card played when it comes to ET. I don't want
to see that approach.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Do you think it will happen?
Speaker 2 (23:45):
It's always been a method of control for every nation,
every nation state, every leader going back for thousands of years.
You know, how to keep people in control. You use
fear to do that. You can't throw flowers and flower
pedals and confetti in the air and keep people's interest.
(24:05):
It doesn't work that way. Fear is a control thing.
And when you turn around and you lie about ET,
and you lie about alien and contact and what's going on,
and flip that over into a national security fear issue
to catch the attention of the United States, other politicians,
(24:26):
the Pentagon, everything else, to play the fear card. When
I have done thousands of shows, thousands of interviews to
the I've been researching this for fifty years. As far
as I know, there hasn't been any fear presented from ET.
I'm not talking about abductions and craziness and that that's
(24:49):
a scary thing to go through, But I'm talking about
a national security issue. Has anything like that ever been
reported on by the ME? Has? Have? Have we been attacked? Have?
And that's that's what I don't want to see play out,
is a misrepresentation of what life in the universe possibly
(25:14):
can be, what our experience with contact has been, and
how it may be in the future. I don't want
to see the fear card used. I'm not scared of ET.
Our community isn't scared of ET. We want this, We
want this to be pushed forward. I don't want to
see the fear card played. It misrepresents, uh, the real,
(25:39):
the real efforts of what is going on. If ET
wanted this planet, they take it.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
So do you feel that, well, Jimmy, do you feel
that the national security threatned narrative falls in line with
the fear narrative in your opinion?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
There's two ways to look at it. So I will
say yes and yes to both of these. The question
of are we alone in the universe? That is our
right as humans as Earthlings to know that information. Okay,
that there is no question about that. We should be
(26:20):
told the truth if there is a technology that we
have and we don't want exposed to our adversaries. And
let's be honest here, there are bad people on this planet.
There are there's bad people that would take advantage of
something like that. Am I okay with keeping some things
(26:41):
secret like that? Yeah? I am, I am. I want
to feel safe. I don't want some secret alien tech
to fall into the hands of bad players. So I
agree with that. But that's not a national security issue
that they are referring to they put a blanket over
(27:04):
all of it, that it's all a national security issue,
and that's that's not true. That is simply not true.
If there is life out there in the universe and
we know about it and we've made contact, tell us
that is our right. That isn't some secret that is
only for the privileged few to have. No, we have
that right as earthlinks. So if there's some secret tech
(27:28):
and that's crazy town and you need to keep that
on the down low, okay, all right, keep me and
my children safe, keep this country safe, keep the world safe.
All right, I'm okay with that. So it's like a yes,
yes on both sides.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Well, you know something that has been mentioned a lot,
especially for those that really aren't in this community, in
this field of Okay, so aliens come Forwardard, we got disclosure,
but I still need to pay my bills, still go
to my nine to five. Do you think I'm asking
you this and everyone listening as well. Do you think
UFO disclosure would genuinely change society or do you think
(28:09):
we're going to still live the same life that we
always have.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
That the it would change radically for the better. What
it would do is an announce and show us that
we are Earthlings, that we represent planet Earth, and we
are going to represent planet Earth to our et brothers
(28:37):
and sisters out there, and we're going to represent as Earthlings,
not as Canadians and Americans and Chinese and Japanese and
Russian and factions and borders and religions and divisiveness. No,
it will unite us as a planet and start to
recognize that we are all the same. We're just earth wings.
(29:01):
We all share DNA. That's what would radically change. And
I'll be honest with you, I can understand why the
power brokers on this planet don't want that. They don't
want us to all get along. They don't. That's that
fear factor, that's that control factor. If all of those
(29:23):
veils were removed that are put up between us and
we just step back and go, well, okay, we represent Earth.
There's other stuff out there. We need to come together.
We need to have a reason to move forward as
a planet, to keep this place great, to keep us alive,
to keep us healthy, learn and get knowledge together and
(29:47):
move forward and evolve as a species of Earthlings. That's
what it would change. It would change radically, and what's
the difference, Christina, there's two things here. There's two there's
no gray area in the middle. We are alone, we
are not. That's it. If we are told that we
(30:11):
are alone, that we are all there is in the universe,
that what's the reason for being, what's the reason for loving,
what's the reason for moving forward? Now? If we're alone,
let's just party. It's just there's nothing, there's nothing to
live for. But if we are not alone, now we
(30:35):
have a goal, we have something to move forward to
as a planet. So yeah, it is a radical, radical situation.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
It definitely resonates with the Ronald Reagan's speech that he
gave to the un of for sure, if we have
this access, if we have this outside threat, would it
bring humanity together? And it seems that a lot of
people agree. And then there are those that saytan, no,
I don't think it'll make a difference. But I'm on
the same boat as you. I think it will really
(31:04):
change how we think of everything. How it'll affect our society,
our religion, philosophy, all of these different things will be
shifted when there is this global awareness. Because individuals that
have had their own UFO sidings or encounters that's disclosure
for them. That's all they need. It's all that's really
(31:26):
is hearing government disclosure. Well, they have the biggest audience, right,
everyone's listening to them, even if they agree with them
or disagree. People are always listening to the government and
how they handle this situation. But I think that I
think it would just like yourself, I think it would
really change how we overall look at this for the better. Now,
(31:48):
would it erase all the barriers of how we try
to be different from others, like with racism and religion
and all these different things. It's like it's always us
against them. Someone that doesn't resonate with you or isn't
like you, they're the enemy. Well, if we get that
form of disclosure, you fo disclosure, would we see them
(32:10):
as like hey, space brothers, or would we all collectively
see them as the enemy? And would it take that
level of fear and hatred to bring humanity together?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (32:23):
What a choice? When we're flying against something else?
Speaker 2 (32:26):
What choice do we have? We don't have a choice
in this. We simply don't have a choice. And then
we have. And what I mean by that is if
that moment comes, and it will and for many of us,
it's already happened. If you had an experience or have
seen something in the sky and you are convinced that
(32:48):
we are not alone, that's a different situation and disclosure
means something different to them. But in moving forward, what
choice would we have in that we really wouldn't have
a choice. We would be forced into just accepting the situation.
And if we back up and look at the developments
over the last six months with three I Atlas and
(33:12):
what it is doing not only to the world, but
to our understanding of science and the size of the universe.
The attention and the interest into three I Atlas from
you know, billions of people on this planet that are
not part of our UFO community. That is extraordinary and
(33:32):
coming on the heels of that, because people want to
know is that et is it not? Is it a comment?
Is is it not? What is it? Its closest approach
is coming in just eight days eight days December nineteenth, Right,
we're going to start to really get some good looks
at three I Atlas. What three I Atlas is doesn't matter.
The conversation is happening and the interest is happening, and
(33:56):
that's what matters. The oldest question that we have, Well
we have three Where do we come from? What happens
to us after we die? And are we alone in
the universe? We need that question answered. This is a
question that everybody has. It's a very very important thing
(34:17):
to look at. And three iye atlases presenting that. And
I'm very excited for not only what three I Atlas
has done, but the conversation starter that it gives. It's
such an interesting situation that we find ourselves in with that,
and how will the public react that? By the way,
(34:40):
I quickly want to say, there have been different committees,
different groups put together over the years. Universities, government corporations,
think tanks have all looked at this issue and have
presented what the world would look like if et was here,
(35:05):
And they've always presented we would lose our minds, the
stock markets would crash, religion would fall apart, people would
jump off buildings, and it would just you know, three
I Atlas The New York Times article in December of
(35:27):
twenty seventeen, all of these things are nothing happened. Did
anybody freak out? Did anybody lose their minds? Did any
markets crash? Did the Vatican go poof did Islam fall apart? Nothing,
nothing happened. That's because we want these answers and we
(35:48):
are interested in this subject. So yes, yeah, very interesting times.
Is twenty twenty sixth the year It could be anything
as possible. Have a lot of fires to put out
right now, and if we continue to take care of
not only our situations here at home in America but
(36:09):
in the United States, but around the world. We need
to take care of some stuff. We have some house
cleaning we have to do. And while all of that
is happening, we just have to keep this subject in
visible and keep the awareness up. One last comment and
then I'll flip it over to you. By the way,
(36:31):
Happy holidays everybody. David Grush, David Grush, I appreciate him
so much, and the reason for that is the way
that Congress dealt with it, the way the Committee dealt
with it. He said some things that were never said
(36:55):
in the Capitol Building ever. Ever it was it was unreal.
You and I did many shows about that. We did
that live. Didn't we do a live thing when.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
When Guss They've done quite a few on it.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, right, right, right, wow, right. But for elected representatives
to hear the statements come from Grush like it was.
It was very brave, it was unbelievable, and it was
(37:28):
a huge moment in human history. But it was the
way that the committee members dealt with it. I think
they were a little surprised, they were a little shocked.
They didn't realize that a large majority of things that
they were dealing with on a daily basis or trying
to deal with was being kept from them. And I'm
(37:49):
talking about secret access programs. I'm talking about budgets. I'm
talking about checks that they cut, laws that are passed,
and they are in control. They would like to think
that they are in control of things that go on
in one of our three branches of government. And they
found out that no, that's not the case. They can't
(38:13):
go and investigate this issue. They were shut down. And
that's what David Grush did for us. A lot of
other things too as well, But he really opened the
eyes of a lot of elected officials there in Washington, DC.
And I'm very appreciative for that, and hopefully we will
continue to hear more. I know that he said that
(38:36):
the President has been briefed, well, okay, briefed on what
briefed on what he wants to hear, briefed on what
they felt he should hear. Has he heard everything what
was presented or was it just a national security issue
(38:58):
situation that will be like has been done with many
administrations before, used as a tool to move their agenda forward.
And that's a big concern. We shall see, we shall see.
Do you remember, Christine? I don't want to cut you off.
(39:19):
I'm sorry, and I know I've got so much to
say on the subject. I remember storm Area fifty one?
Remember that? Remember storm? Remember that? You remember you? Remember that?
Remember that? Okay, I saw you running, I saw I
saw you doing that.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
I was not doing that.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I saw you. When when the President was asked about that,
he misspoke, And this is my concern. When he said, well,
you know, I know a lot of people want to
go out. I know he was talking about Roswell. He
wasn't talk talking about Area fifty one. He was talking
(40:02):
about something else. And so where is his situational awareness
with this? Is it laser focus? Is it whistleblower testimony?
Is it you know, pilots going on the record. Is
it arrow? Has he seen unreleased top secret videos? Does
(40:24):
he know that we have the possibility of bodies, you know,
an area fifty. I don't know, you know what what
was he exposed to? Is he told about Lockheed and
skunk Works? Does he know about the Wilson Davis document?
You know what? What level of it? You know? I
don't know what was he briefed on. We may never know.
(40:44):
We may never know, but Grush said it, let's see.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
And also you have to consider does he have the
need to know? But there is so much more we
have to cover, but we have hit the end of
the show. I want to say a big thank you
to all of the super chats, Moon, Michael, Mark and
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(41:12):
you so much for doing this episode with me. Please
stick to the end because this outro, this music has
you in mind, So I'm gonna end it here. Thank
you everyone for catching this live. Be safe and remember
keep your.
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Eyes on the skies.
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