March 12, 2025 • 61 mins
This week, Alyx and Creature are joined by musician Jeremy Harrison, whose haunting blend of post-industrial noise and meditative folk creates a sound that lingers between waking and dreaming. We dive into the basics of tarot, exploring the symbolic language of the cards and how they shape intuition, storytelling, and creativity.
We also discuss Jeremy’s upcoming album, Songs of Love and Blight—a cinematic journey through dark, liminal folk and lo-fi intimacy. The album release show is sponsored by Xavier University, with all proceeds going to a dog charity, proving that even the most haunting music can have a heart of gold.
Join us for an episode filled with arcane wisdom, sonic shadows, and the strange spaces between dreams and reality.
Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, Flower Weaver by Jeremy Harrison, Crook of Rain by Jeremy Harrison, Strange Familiars by Jeremy Harrison, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek
We also discuss Jeremy’s upcoming album, Songs of Love and Blight—a cinematic journey through dark, liminal folk and lo-fi intimacy. The album release show is sponsored by Xavier University, with all proceeds going to a dog charity, proving that even the most haunting music can have a heart of gold.
Join us for an episode filled with arcane wisdom, sonic shadows, and the strange spaces between dreams and reality.
Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, Flower Weaver by Jeremy Harrison, Crook of Rain by Jeremy Harrison, Strange Familiars by Jeremy Harrison, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
In good evening, and welcome to the hour dedicated to
(01:29):
talking about all things strange, weird, and paranormal. You're listening
to Strange Talk, broadcasting on sixteen sixty AM A north
Side ninety one point seven FMHG two to BVX you
and Cincinnati. We're also streaming at Radio artifact dot com
around the entire planet Earth. The introjact to this episode
and most of our episodes, is the Strangelog intro by
Star Silk. And I'm your host.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Alex and I'm your host Creature.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And we have a very special guest with us tonight.
If you would like to go ahead and introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Hi, my name is Jeremy Harrison.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, And I will read your bio for you. We
kind of talked about this beforehand. There's nothing worse than
having to read your own bio, so I'm going to read.
It's the worst, so I'm going to read this. Jeremy
Harrison's music is a haunting blend of post industrial noise
and meditative instrumentation, creating a dark, liminal folk sound that
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transports listeners into the hazy spaces between waking and dreaming.
Hailing from Cincinnati, Ohio. Harrison's compositions weave together visceral textures
with incorporeal vocals, inviting the listener on a sonic journey
through the hazy void of the subconscious, while filtered through
a lens of low fi intimacy. With his first offer,
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Songs of Love and Blight, Harrison offers a cinematic vision
in a realm of experimental folk, which is very well written.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Thank you, AI Overlord. That's all they're stuck.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
For writing bios, writing emails, you know, things that none
of us really want to do.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah. Yeah, they should be stocking shelves and you know,
computer should be stocking shelves and in writing emails. We
should be left to be making art or something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I'm fine with them making their own art too. I mean,
like somebody also needs to be making like the like
corporate logos and stuff, because nobody really wants to be
doing that. So, like I say, a little make art,
but like do that stuff. Nobody wants to be designing
the Subway logo twenty times.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know, yeah, I completely agree. I like, for instance,
I did make music video for this record, and did
I use AI? I absolutely did, because trust me, it's
a lot cheaper than trying to come up with those sets.
You know what I'm saying. Yep, just sitting there and
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you know, making a music video Lily in my underwear,
but not because it's sexy, but because it's because I
don't well, it's it's a little factory. It can't be
I feel like, not the way I would doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Half those creating art or music is losing your mind
a little bit, and most of that involves not wearing pants.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah. Yeah, Actually I started originally about ground on this
record during COVID. So the song some of the songs
were written with no pants either, so called songs of
pantsless love and blight.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, give an accurate title. That what we should call
the record.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Hey, I I feel like love and blight are also
antless things. So it's implying, you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Know, this is pretty true when you get down to it,
you get down to brass tacks, there's no pants involved.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I love that we like talked about this beforehand and
had like a game plan. I was like, we're going
to talk about this first, and then immediately I'm like, no,
we're talking about pantslessness. Apparently right out the window constantly.
I don't know why bother making a plan. It never
goes goes how I.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Won Everyone's going to plan to get punched in the face.
Everyone has a plant. Yeah right, everyone's going to those
pants are out the window.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I have a quick aside about that. Uh. We did
this presentation at frog Manfest and I was like, we're
gonna give her three super quick cryptids, just you know,
in case people like don't know what they are. Everybody
there should know what they are. We're at a Frogman festival. Yeah,
And so one of them was Presdent Nightcrawler because they're
getting really popular right now. And like, all I had
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written on the slide basically was I hate it when
my pants become sentient and walk away. And when I
said that, everyone just stared at me. And I was like,
it's a joke. It's a joke. I'm not losing my mind.
It's a joke.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, but they all.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Just stared at me, and I just moved on.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. Well, actually to that point, the President Night Callers
is like, I'm relatively new to that one. I just
really discovered that one this year, and I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I think that one is they're super fascinating. Weird, Yeah,
because the first footage was in two thousand and seven,
so they're relatively new.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
They're relatively they're relatively yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, it's just it's interesting that they're just now rising
in popularity. I think that after Mothman, people generally went to, like,
all right, what's the next next cryptid that could like
have a butt on it. I genuinely think that was
the Lenk Picker. That is my theory. At least.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Did you imagine the Presdent night Crawler would just be like,
oh you I've.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I have definitely seen some cheeked out Fresno night Crawler,
like not even looking for it, just you know. That's
anytime you look up presd No night Crawler on the internet,
you get like two normal Fresno night Crawlers and then
you get just like fully caked up Fresno Nightcrawler.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah yeah, what ones I say? Juicy on the Vacuum.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Which was so funny. My next slide after the Presdent
Nightcrawler was the Loveland Frog. And I use this art
from our pals at a Loring podcast. Kimmy drew the
kicked up Loveland Frog and when that came on the screen.
Everyone started laughing because like he's got cheeks, and I
was like, okay, so you laugh at that, but not
the pants leaving. Okay, all right, Yeah it's eleven in
the morning. I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, well, you know it's Loveland, you know. Uh, I
guess for the audience. I actually live the exit away
from yeah, Loveland. Yeah, the Loveland frog man. You know,
I live in Milford exit away from that. I've seen
no frogs out here.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean I think part of the Little Miami goes
through Milford too, right, Yeah, yeah, so you could, in
theory see the Loveland frog in Milford.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
That's a possibility. I live right across the street from
a cemetery too. I don't know how one would do
with the other. Yeah, but I feel like if I
was going to run into him, it'd be there when
I love my dog, right, So yeah, I would go
ahead him.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh no, I was gonna say me slowly trying to
go back to my plan that I got immediately distracted from.
You said you read tarot as well.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yes, I do. I've been doing that for uh wow,
I guess more than half my life now. Weird to
think about started when I was like fifteen, and you know,
my mom was into My mom very much into all
things of wu wu, even though she doesn't come across
as that you typically picture people like that, you'd see
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wearing like slowly skirts and crystals and things of that nature.
My mom is painfully Midwestern.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, there's something inherently spooky about midwesterners though, So.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I absolutely agree, and to here to weave everything
magically back in and out of each other. My mom
when she my mom. When my dad passed on and
my mom retired, eventually she moved away. She is now
in Louisiana, and what she does with her every time
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is she goes she's actually part of this group of people,
this community, I should say, a big foot hunter. So
my mom actually go.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
My mom absolutely goes squatching all the time. And she
goes on these YouTube channels and like is a guest moderates.
And I had, yes, that's part. I had no idea,
Like I knew she was into this stuff, but I
participating in a community. And she asked me when she
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was still here, She's like, hey, Jeremy, can I borrow
your car? I want to go to this big Foot
meet up in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, so we have to have your mom on the
show next to talk about going squatching. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Like we were talking like how we all had av background.
I had to like kind of edit and prime some
of my mom's like audio files, so she has like
what sounds like weird bigfoot screams. That is amazing, that's
pretty sick. She would be thrilled.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That would be so amazing, And I think that would
be a first for us to have like someone and
then also their parents come on. That would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh man, we could even we could even play her
audio too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, you've already cleaned it up. I bet it
sounds great.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, it's already cleaned up. That's where to go, Jeremy.
It's not going to be just you howling in the
background with but but yeah, that's what she does. But
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she didn't teach me how to do that. How did
you cheer up right back? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, that genuinely is really.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, and like and I mostly just read for myself.
Yeah for years, you know, it's just it's just really weird.
And then kind of like I kind of got it addicted.
I won't see it. I formed the habit of watching
like YouTube tarot like uh taro YouTubers. I guess I
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should say uh.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I kind of like oh okay, and it kind of
like I kind of got like a like an acceleration
and like like intuition and knowing how to do it
and like so I since then I've been reading for
other people. Yeah, I get called to like, you know,
I do parties or like I'll go to bars. Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things to do.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah you do that as well. Yeah, yeah, see, I
love that. It's fun to like often it's always been
around Halloween, right yep, yep, well not not for als.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Well that's it can be any time of year for me.
I've mostly recently stopped doing it just because I'm like,
I don't the time too. But I feel like genuinely
anytime to your people would just be like, hey, do
you have your cards with you? And I'm like, I
don't carry them with me everywhere. It's a whole box.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Actually I've started. I just bought one of those little
mini decks, so that's just keep that at the ready
because I get that question all the time too. Yeah,
it's always when someone's in like the middle of a crisis.
It's never.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Which And whenever someone's at a crisis, they usually are
at a bar, So that's why that happens. I'm starting
to genuinely wonder if we might be the same person
because I'm also a bartender with a background Navy who
also reads.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
There we have the same skill set. Yeah, we can
compare up resumes.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Actually you can.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Now you can have it.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'm the guest. Now we're gonna sweat places.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, so what card do you identify with the most personally?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Actually, I have an answer for that. It's it's the
page of Swords.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Page of Swords.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yes, I every time that I have drawn that in
a reading for myself, it has always just been a
stand in for myself, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Good. No, I like that, actually I do. I typically
like a night of pentacles, got okay?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
All right?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, like slow and steady, just like maybe sometimes too slow.
It's just you know, it's but I'm sorry, did you
say tentacles?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Pentacles?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be roll, honest, listeners, I
don't know much about.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Ples. A couple pentacles is like coins.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, there might be a couple from what you said,
there might be a couple of decks out there that
are like that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You know, probably I'm not going to google it, but
I'm going to bet it exists.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, so I google it.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Nine of Pentacles. I'm curious now as far as zodiac,
are you an Earth's sign?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yes, I'm actually all three, all three of them. Wow, Okay,
taurist moon, Capricorn rising, and then Venus and Mars or Scorpio.
So nice.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't know what that means, but you just got
signs all the way down. Mine is mostly air signs,
which is probably why identify with swords so much. So
like my my big ones are you know, Libra's son
Gemini rising and Pisces moon, But my Libra is also
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it's in Sun, Jupiter and Mercury. So I'm just like
a ton of Libra and it is so intense.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So yeah, you communicate through aesthetics basically.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Oh yeah, you know that's probably right. Yeah, It's funny.
When I was a kid, I did not identify with
libra at all. But the older I get, I'm like, oh,
I think that might be right.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now. Yes, I'm kind of curious what you're all Chinese though, Yeah,
it's a wooden horse.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Nice mine's rooster. I don't remember what elementos though, let
me let me look it up.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think I'm a metal dragon, like I know I'm
a dragon.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But oh the water rooster like a metal dragon, brother,
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I have the water.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I feel like I've gotten the short end of the
stick because like in uh, you know westerns are I'm
the scales, which isn't an object, and then in Chinese
zodiac I'm the rooster, which is just inappropriate most of
the time.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
There's a joke about monopoly pieces that I cannot put
together right now somewhere I don't know, but right going, Oh,
I'm an earth dragon. That's not as cool as a
metal dragon.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Not as cool, but still fun of a headshot, I
think now is actually the most hilarious time to We're
going to take a quick break and listen to your song,
Flower Weaver, because that feels appropriate right.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Now for all you Earth dragons out there.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
The game, the.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Name, the the it's a.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Step shots the shots strict, that's.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Definite star star my Moti. Stuff that's.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Stuff that's ultra stuff, stuff ut stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And welcome back to Strange Talk. So you just again
heard of Flower Weaver, which is Jeremy's song that is
going to well, I guess it hasn't been released yet.
Your album hasn't been released yet.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well know, you can listen to it now, just the
physical just.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The physical release, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Okay? Yeah, yeah, it's on Spotify and it's on band camp.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Perfect. Yeah cool. And also now it's on radio Artify.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, it's on there now.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So we were talking before our break about Taro and Creature.
You were saying you don't know much about Taro. How
much do you want to learn about Taro?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I am down to learn about Tarot. All I know
is the Led Zeppelin album cover. Oh the Hermit, Yeah, yeah,
it's speaking of which this is five. It is supposed
to be the year of the Hermit as well. If
you tie numerology, it all comes down to the same
number in the deck, which I forget right now. You
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know the writer wait smith deck comes out the same
to being the the year of the Hermit.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That is great. And also the reason that I know
you know Taro is because you actually called it the
writer weight smith Deck. Most people are just like right
weight and I'm like, who drew it?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, Pama Coleman Smith. Uh, you know what's fascinating about
I don't know how much you read about her, and like, like,
you know, she she had some very specific notes, but
there was a lot of just kind of do what
you want, like she was given that. And so a
lot of these a lot of characters you see in
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uh say, more of the common suits like say, you know, like, uh,
what was it like the Five of Swords for instance,
or things like that. These are characters. These are characters
from like folklore and a lot from Shakespeare too.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That makes sense. I mean, the whole concept of taro is,
you know, it is telling a story about a journey,
So that kind of makes sense that you'd want to
pull in characters from said journey. That actually just made
me check too. I do a Wheel of the Year
every year, and last year my Wheel of the Year,
my main card in the middle was the Hermit, and
I couldn't remember what this year's was. Mine for this
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year is the Chariot.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So oh, okay, that's a good one. Good one about
mastering h Some say it's the evolver version of the magician, uh,
you know one or the other but uh, yeah. What also,
what I find is very fascinating, and this is something
I just want to I don't know, say, like a
little over a year ago, is if you pay attention to,
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especially in the Suit of Cups, is the writer Waite
Smith's deck. Uh, but you see it in some of
the uh in the other suits as well. Uh the
flow of water. Yes, Uh, there's a river that runs
from many of the cards out into like you know,
for instance, the Night of Cups. That's a perfect example
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because it's more of like a thinner stream. Yes, I
think it starts at the star maybe or ends there.
I forget. I don't something like that in front of me,
so yeah, uh, but yeah, if you can't attention, like
and it ties into like the intuitiveness and emotion of
that specific car. I don't know. I thought that I'd
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never really thought about, but this stuff was clearly I
thought about, oh very much.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
When Yeah, yeah, I very much appreciate how much detail
that she put into that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Can I interject I'm kind of curious, So I never
thought about this, but yeah, it totally makes sense that
an artist actually designed the art. I just kind of
assumed it was just old art. But that doesn't make
a lot of sense. Do you guys know much about her? Yeah,
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well she was, I don't know, well, I know she
she was giving a lot of notes, very specific notes
like this card has to have this symbolism, this, that
and the other and there are loosely tied to the
original deck. I believe it was French. I forget you,
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or you'll have to correct.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Me on that.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
But well, there's a bunch of different ideas about where
it might have came from, but the French one kind
of largely or Italian one is largely kind of considered.
I won't try to pronounce it because it won't go.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, yeah, yeah, no, it's pull up the name.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It's where is it Tarot dave. I think it's Marseilles.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That may or may not be right. I don't speak French.
I am lost there.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, she kind of incorporated characters
from like pain she made previously, and like I said,
characters from Shakespeare and things of that nature into these states.
She had a lot of wiggle rooms, but there was
a lot of symptimbology that had to be in certain cards,
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Like you had had this, you had had to have
that blah blah blah, you know a lot of different
different notes. Uh. I think I believe these were Golden
Dawn people with uncorrect Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
There's a lot of golden and then a lot of.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Like the like the Crowling Golden Down. Yeah. Yeah, the
guys were before him, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Because there's a separate Crowley deck that's like the deck.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah yeah, and he kind of he kind of game
Game of Thrones his way through it. And then I
was gonna say, from what I understood about him and
the Golden Down, yeah he he very much uh Chancellor Hitler,
uh his way through yeah, through the Wymar because yeah,
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that's essentially what happened. You kind of like split it off,
and then people retreated to some capital of him where
they all pooped outside. And I don't know, uh but yeah,
but I don't know, but I'm just saying, but yeah,
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there's also the lineral Mond Deck, which is very different,
but it's a Tarot deck as well, and I've been
actually in the process of learning that as well. To
combine the two, and it's very fascinating, but it's hard
because it's like trying to speak a whole new language,
you know. Uh, I don't know it very much. If
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you're familiar with that one, do you read that one
at all?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Which one.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
The lineral Mond or the Norman?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But it's French with you know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's why all of these I'm always like just pure
panic or like I don't know how to say that.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah Lula Man, I've heard of them, Yeah, Lulu Lemon,
but yeah, that one, like it's very fascinating. Like my
first experience with that one is watching like watching this
lady h read both together and I thought that was
really fascinating. And and there's like it's different ways. Like honestly,
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with Taro, you can read whichever way you feel good.
You know, you can read how they tell you how
to do and in like say the little book that
comes with it, like they killed the cross or whatever.
I don't personally, I just kind of I do a
bass card and then it kind of like then I
go down a level and that's that kind of like
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the other cards they pull up kind of describe that card,
and then then I can go down another level to
describe each visual card with that. So it's like a
constantly like uh, I don't know ZO mean in I
guess yes, but but I find it really fascinated when
people do that with with that other deck. I think
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that's really cool. I don't know, but I'm still learning
that and it's it is weird.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, honestly, all of this is like kind of overwhelming
to learn to begin with, because there's just I mean,
when you think about it, it's a full deck of cards.
So you got you know, your four suits like normal,
but then you also have all the major arcana, which
is twenty one twenty two cards all together.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah. Yeah, so whether they're like seventy eight cards or
something like that, yeah, I forget exactly the number.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
But yeah, yeah, that was quick math.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
No, it doesn't math. I didn't math. I think I
just remember that I did not map that. That's the
last thing I'm going to be doing.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Welcome top, You're ready to do math?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So is there a is there a like I'm assuming
there's what you're all talking about is like different ways
to read the cards or are they just different suits.
I don't know anything about Tarro.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
There's different suits and there's also different ways to read
the cards.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, okay, yeah yeah, so yeah, like like traditionally, uh
you know, like Alex said, like you have what would
translate directly over you could actually read, you could do
a sort of reading what the regular deca playing cards.
They trans one translates over to the other very easily.
You're just missing a couple of cards, and then you're
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missing what we called the major arcana. The minor arcana
really is just your deca playing cards. Yeah. Like forrins
of diamonds are what you would call pinnacles. It's the
it's the element of earth. You have your spades, which
have swords, which is the element of air. You have clubs,
which is fire, which translates to wand uh. And then
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you have cups with your hearts, which translates to water.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And each one of those they kind of have their
own kind of description. For instance, cups are the element
of waters. We're about feeling and intuition, uh, errors about communication. Uh.
Wands are about passion and drive.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Sometimes about your job, yes.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes sometimes and and uh Chechacles are more about uh
like finances or or comfort abundant, you know, various things
that's done. And in each number, the new tie into numerology,
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so they have five. Typically the fives are very good.
You know, there's always some sort.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Of struggle, uh, because kind of goes through its own
you know arc where at the height of it you
have to have some kind of struggle or you know,
something that has to be resolved before you hit ten.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there's similar themes with them, but
it's always slightly different. You know. Two's always referred that's
some sort of decision and then swords that it tends
to be in decision, you know, like I can't I'm guarded,
I can't choose between the two. If you lookau, I'm
to the sword, you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
How afraid of the suit of swords people are because
they're like they're also negative and I'm like, not for me.
I don't know what to tell you, Like that's about
how you're viewing it, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm really glad. I'm really glad you brought that up,
because the one car that everyone and I am guilty
as well. I'm absolutely guilty of this. It wasn't until
not really, not too long ago, there was a certain
reader that I'm man of named Madam Adam that describes
us perfectly, and it's actually just kind of like a
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I think it's the name of the book, but he
reads this, he kind of summarizes it from this uh
specific book that's really good on Tiero. But the Three
of Swords, they everyone, everyone is scared of it. It's
like you get the death card, you get swords, and
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you get the Tower. Yeah, like everyone's like, uh those
and then the Three of Swords isn't in that conversation
as well as like that can't be good. Uh, but
I find fasting and to explain it, I'm sorry, I'm
getting ahead of myself. The it's a heart with three
swords in it, stabbed through it, and then there's rain
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in the background and a pretty sick right. Yeah, it
makes a cool look at tattoo.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'll tell you that it's like one of the only
Swords cards that does not have like someone's face in it.
In fact, the only other one that doesn't have a
face in it is the Ace of Swords, and none
of the aces have a face in it.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah. No, that's absolutely right. But what I love about
this is you would think this is like heartache, your
heart's broken, blah blah blah. No, the swords are an
element of air, It's an element of communication and thoughts.
You're breaking your own heart. It's the way you're perceiving
things and the way it's processing in the rein of
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the background. It does represent emotions and feelings, but it's
still an element of air and communication. So this is
an emotional hurt. This is what you're doing to yourself.
This is it's because of the way you're perceiving the world.
So it's a lot after understanding that, I look at
that car way different and I feel a lot less
intimidated by it because it feels more this is an
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eternal problem and not an external problem.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Well, and that's the thing too, Like it's kind of
warning yourself of like, hey, you need to look into
your own heart right now. You're hurting yourself right now. Concisely,
it's something you can actually do something about.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, you're like, this is your problem. This isn't
outside of your typically outside problems. The way I read
uh that manifests through major arconom These are outside forces.
This is this is a tide, you know, this is
the tide that you're swimming against. That like the minor
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arcona is something that you're typically these are things that
you have more state in them than than you think.
You know, it's not like, oh, this is fate, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But also I do believe that the way I read
throw I do prime people when I sit down and
read for them, like, hey, look, this is just a
snapshot of what's going on right now, and this can
change at the drop of pad. This is a weather
or report right now, and the weather can change.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's a really good way to put it, actually, Yeah,
because the way I've always explained it to people is that,
like I use it kind of as a psychologist tool
of like what you read into this is the most
important thing because that tells you where you're at right now.
But a weather report is a very good way of
putting that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, Like that's the way I think. I also like
to say, like, hey, I and this is the way
to prep them. So if the reading comes out bad,
you know, I hate, but you know, there is a responsibility.
I think as a reader, you don't want to sugarcoat things.
You want to give it to them, like you don't
want to lie to anybody, because that feels as soon
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as you feel like you're lying. And I think you're
Daniels showing people that you're giving people a reason not
to believe in it, you know, so I like to say, like, hey,
you're thinking this stuff can change. If it's a good reading,
keep what keep doing what you're doing, it's going to
work out fun.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
If it's a bad reading, then you know, it's kind
of check yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah. Yeah, this is the warning of what not to do,
you know, and I do. I don't know how you
feel about this balance, but I like it when people
talk to me. I like, I look at as far
as the conversation. I hate when people and I get
it because I've done this when I first was getting reading.
It's a way to like, I think it's insecurity and
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wanting to prove that someone actually has some sort of
gift or knows what they're doing right.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You know, they're like checking to see if you're like
hot or cold reading them.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah. I'm like no, I'm like, no, talk to me.
It's a conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, I want to know what you want to know about.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, yeah, tell me about this. Why why did this
come up? I like, and here's the thing. I may
not know what this card means right away, but then
if you see it, if you're going to say something,
I don't know that we know where it's going like yes,
because that's where that's where your tension is driven. I'm
just the one laying out to the land. You know exactly.
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You're told me where to go, and if you want
to have a bad reading, just don't.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Say an me yeah, and then you'll be left going.
I wonder what any of that meant, because he didn't
ask any questions.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't get it. You mentioned that you
mentioned a death card earlier. From what I understand, I
been the one thing I know about Taro that's not.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
It doesn't mean someone's going to die. It doesn't mean
someone's going to die.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah. It's like a reburse thing personally or something, isn't it. Yeah,
that's the one thing I know about Taro. That's my contribution.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's my honestly, it's my favorite card for winter because
it's about you know, like death and renewal. I like
to think of the death card as you know that
song Semi Sonic by Semi Sonic closing time, that line
in there, every new beginning comes from other some other
beginnings end. That is the death card.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Oh No, that's it. No, absolutely, And that one to
me feels more, Uh say, compare it if you want
to compare it to say the Tower, you know, in
a way to be they they occupy like this sort
of like then diagram of some of the same stuff,
you know, but but there are there are major differences.
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Like death. The death card feels more like it's anything
I hate. It feels more positive.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, it's it's like a changing of seasons. Yeah, for me,
this moment for the tower, it's more of like this
is abrupt landing and it might feel too soon, but
you still have to level the playing field before the
next thing can come. And I hate the tower. I mean,
I don't hate it, but it's always not fun, but
it's necessary in the end.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, it's okay. It was like the man made the
leaps and things of that nature. It's like it's kind
of the things that you built up yourself are going
to fall, you know, where is I don't know. That
stuff feels more like now when they're upside down, don't
they mean something opposite or is that just a particular
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way to read them? Well, yes, and yes and yes.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Basically they do take on a different energy if you
read reversals. I personally don't read reversals often.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I only read them as like it's a more muted
energy of what that card normally means, Like it's that,
but just it's a little bit more muted. It has
a little bit less of an influence.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, yeah, depending on what it is. I think some
of that it is very much an act or to
be like a misguided energy or h or it's like
a gift being. For instance, if it falls into a
position where hey, this is what you have going for you,
but it's reversed, it means you're not tapping into it.
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You know, you're letting you have this ability, but you're
letting it go to waste. You know. Uh that that's
one way to read these things too. Uh So so
what would upside down death mean? Well, it depends on
what else is around it. You know. The thing is
all the cards have a basic meaning, but it's.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Context.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah I got yeah. Yeah it could mean For instance,
there could be a situation where say to a romantic question,
you know, uh, and say you read reversals and if
there is a car, say there's a card about love.
Uh say two of cops for instance, Uh, you pull
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the two coups. Uh, something of that nature, or or
actually let's go ahead and say the six cups. You
know that can be tied to nostalgia and and love
and uh uh someone is coming back and things like that.
Uh uh, but if you if you have say the
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deck card reverse next to it, give me like you're
not letting the past die, like you're holding all the
suff like like, uh, you're looking. You're looking at the
paths and broke pitted glasses and you need to let
some of us go. Okay, Sorry that was loud.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I was trying to pull out my taro deck to
look at it.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I'm sorry, I may have got this wrong, like I'm
just going on memory. I'm literally just pasting around my
room and burn my house. And remember.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, I think your dog's like my tar. Next, well,
on that note, let's uh, let's take a quick break
and let's listen to another one of your songs. Let's
see this. Next one is called Crook of Rain.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Try ezon scenes shine lie crickerd under the.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
Smaller colll.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
On the wall, sound lie.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Layer mode on soundside.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
In the yelloway some.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
God Lie.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Change trips, black.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Flood up.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
A bag.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
Falls belts, small.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Crowl lies.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
O wall.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Some lie.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Line sounds side.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Gone.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
All right, welcome back to strange Talk. And again that
song was Crook of Rain by Jeremy Harrison. Rain Cups
maybe related, maybe not?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, it could be what Actually, you know I've heard recently.
Go ahead, Okay, I was just I was just gonna
make a dumb joke. I was just kidding, Go ahead
and get just fired off. I was just gonna say
I've heard recently that cups are part of taro. Go ahead.
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It was not more serrailing the show. I followed kind
of a new developments. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, they really debated, including that one. I mean they're
a little controversial.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, yeah, Like I don't think it made it a
theatrical release or something.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, I think that was like the director's cut only
I'm sorry, the director's cup only.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
My bad.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
This is the real reason we can't talk about tear
on the show is because it just leads into me
making cups puns for like an hour.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
The guy city in the Chair.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
I don't know, spy for radio, I don't know. You
told me cut it out.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I guess that's a that's a decision. When I'm editing that,
I'll like, I'll stare at it intensely for a while.
Ago nobody will get it. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
A cup chair, you know where I didn't get it.
So I think I think it's gonna be. I'll explain.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Speak of explaining later. You are doing your album release,
as we discussed, it is going to be at Radio Artifact,
which I call Radio Artifact our mothership because they're the
ones who let us do this show largely without influence,
like genuinely, they kind of let us do whatever, including
me making an hour of cups puns.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So yeah, yes, and yes, yeah, I'm actually gonna be
performing in the Mothership in the in the small room.
I forget what they call that.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I'm calling it the pod from now on. I don't
know what it's actually called. It's the pod control it,
I don't know. Oh yeah, that would be the bridge
because that's where you know, like the whole soundboard and
the other thing is Devon's gonna love me for that one,
sorry Devan.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yes, so I'm performing into there and uh yeah, it's
gonna be the physical release from my record.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Uh uh.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
This is all put on by David University through their
music series and we're doing it and also thanks to them.
I was able to procure some donors who kindly gave
me some money to make a physical release of this record.
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And because of that, and because I don't really care
about money, like other than like other than like barre necessities,
you know, all that goes all the proceeds to the show.
They go directly to Synth the Animal Care, which is
like the local animal shelter down the streets. I think
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they do really good good work. My dog was a
rescue on the streets in Northside, which is the neighborhood
where radio artifactive. Uh, I kind of have like a
little I have a soft spot, I guess. Yeah, I
don't know if people are gonna give money to meet
and I'm gonna find a way to shovel some back
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some weird goods, not to like.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Not to fully guilty cure people here, but like who
doesn't love dogs and local music? Come on?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah? Because I was actually gonna say, oh sorry, go ahead,
oh go ahead. Uh yeah, no, I'm saying depending all
the promos, all the promo pictures, that's all the press
pictures are of me and my dog. Yes, is the
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dog in the band.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Well, I mean, of course, look at him. He looks
like he can play the mean saxophone.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, I was I was gonna say, yeah, I hear
a man after my own heart, because I Uh, one
of the ways I decompressed when I'm extra stressed out,
it's a I follow several disabled cats on social media.
I like that, and I've always like and I've always
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thought like, if I ever hit like a big payday,
I definitely liked at least pay off the bills of
a lot of the rescues that take in a lot
of these disabled cats and stuff. So that's one hundred
percent awesome. But you're doing that right now. It just
it just feels good, you know.
Speaker 8 (52:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
And yeah, well the one of the ladies that like,
she's the director there and I worked with her for
years and like in like in like the bar and
like you know, like the bar team. So we have
a good report. So I'm like, oh, yeah, you work here.
It's right down the streets, down to where I found
(52:49):
my dog. Yeah, let's let's get you guys from Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
That's a great, great thing to do. And what what
day did you say that show was or did you
mention that yet?
Speaker 2 (53:00):
April eleventh, a yeah, and it starts at eight o'clock,
I believe. Also, we're gonna have Ben Wonder uh so
far slated to be our opening act. Ben Mander is
a incredible guitar player. He plays for the scrip called
The Bad Plus he also played on David Bowie's last record,
(53:21):
So that's kind of exciting. Yeah. I wasn't ready for that, sorry, Alex.
He played on Yeah, he played, He played on Black Star.
That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ben Wonder played on Black Yeah,
(53:42):
he's the opening He's gonna be opening for me, which
I don't know what what your world life falling into
where a man like that's opening for me, but here
we are, half of my life is just failing upwards.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I feel that, I mean humanly feel that.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah. Well he's a good he's a good friend of
the Gavior music series, and he's actually played in our
local area in Cincinnati, uh before through it. So that
so that's really how that all came about. I actually
don't know this guy or anything, but I will meet him.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
So yeah, that's pretty Yeah, and that is April eleventh.
I'm just reiterating that once again because my brain is
mixing up all the dates right now, April eleventh.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
April eleventh, Yes, it's Friday, to be eight pm. Uh yeah,
Ben wonder. Then then I'm doing a kind of a
fleshed out version of this record, Like so I'm playing
with a bunch of musicians and we're kind of mutating
some of the materials so it's a little more interesting live.
(54:57):
So yeah, it's going to have some loud parts here
and there.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
And not to speak for Radio Artifact, but I'm assuming
they will also be streaming it on their YouTube page.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yes, yes, awesome.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
They do really really good production.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went in to check out the
place because it's been years since I've actually seen like
a a performance there, and I was blown away by
what they do.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh yeah, they really know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, we're gonna have a local visual artist named Ian
Hayes who's gonna be doing background video manipulations at the
same time. So that'll be fun. Supposed to be. It's
been marketed as a sensory experience, like like we might
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have there might be some like I don't know, something
to stimulate the old factory.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Senses to get some going.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, there's some logistics I got to figure out what that? Yeah,
you know, yeah, but I'm excited about it. It's gonna
be fun. I never intended on performing this record live.
This is just something I did at home by myself. Yeah,
And I you know, it was just an exercise of
making the record I wanted to make. Yeah, I always
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wanted to make and never have the opportunity to because
it wasn't the kind of music I was playing at
the time. And think like that it was what spoke
to you exactly. Yes, like, this is what I've always
wanted to do, and I finally got to do it.
But now I have to figure out how to do
it live.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah, which good luck with that. It's so much easier
to just do something and record it and be done
with it, and then it's like that make it sound
good live? It's like, wait, yeah, you mean I can't
just record it like two hundred times to get the
perfect take. Don't like that?
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, Well, and this is the first time for me. Actually,
this is the first time because I'm used to rehearthy
they're going into a studio recording and then being done
with it. Here, I wrote as I recorded as I
was writing, or vice versa, whatever, and so I there's
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been me having to go back and go like why
was I playing right there? Like I having to go
back and relearn this stuff, like keep myself like I
don't know how to play that.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
I'm laughing because like people like don't understand. They're like,
as a musician, what do you mean you have to
relearn your songs? What do you mean you forgot? And
it's just like, well, if you don't play it for
a while, you forget.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, yeah, somethings I haven't. I've never played these songs live,
first of all, and I and some of them, I've
the only time I played them was when I recorded them,
so exactly the process of me having like what were
you playing? And I have to go in and because
I've recorded this all at home because I wanted to
feel very intimate, like a so it all dunks down
(57:59):
a little low by because I wanted it to sound
like a handwritten love letter or something like that. But
I have to go back and pull up all the
tracks of the sessions and mute all everything just here
one instrument, like wait, what I would playing?
Speaker 3 (58:17):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Well, speaking of we're about at the top of the hour,
so I think We're gonna outro on your track Strange Familiars,
because of course that is perfect for this show. We
obviously love you know low five stuff too, so.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
It all think Strange and all things strange.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, so thank you so much for coming on and
talking with us.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, thanks so much. Yeah, I think it's my pleasure.
I'm a big fan of you guys. You guys quite
a bit. Yeah, you don't have to lie or.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
Honestly, I'm glad that you emailed us because now I
get to go listen to your music.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
To So.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
No, no, no, I'm not lying. I actually because I'll
look at a couple of like weird podcasts and then
i'll set it, and then I always fall to sleep
during it, and then I wake up and it's you
guys talking.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
It's like Spotify being like, hey, maybe talk to these
weirdos on the internet.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
You like that, You're going to love these weirdos.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Amazing, Jenuine, thank you so much again. Hopefully we'll see
you and everyone else out at your record release show.
And on that note, we're gonna go ahead and sign
up from Strange Talk.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Good night, Thank you, thank you again, good luck, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
The vast.
Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
Since you are listening to Radio or Effect on sixteen
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Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
In north Side, M ninety one point seven s M
hd W e X, and Cincinnati.
Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
Many
In good evening, and welcome to the hour dedicated to
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talking about all things strange, weird, and paranormal. You're listening
to Strange Talk, broadcasting on sixteen sixty AM A north
Side ninety one point seven FMHG two to BVX you
and Cincinnati. We're also streaming at Radio artifact dot com
around the entire planet Earth. The introjact to this episode
and most of our episodes, is the Strangelog intro by
Star Silk. And I'm your host.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Alex and I'm your host Creature.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
And we have a very special guest with us tonight.
If you would like to go ahead and introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Hi, my name is Jeremy Harrison.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, And I will read your bio for you. We
kind of talked about this beforehand. There's nothing worse than
having to read your own bio, so I'm going to read.
It's the worst, so I'm going to read this. Jeremy
Harrison's music is a haunting blend of post industrial noise
and meditative instrumentation, creating a dark, liminal folk sound that
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transports listeners into the hazy spaces between waking and dreaming.
Hailing from Cincinnati, Ohio. Harrison's compositions weave together visceral textures
with incorporeal vocals, inviting the listener on a sonic journey
through the hazy void of the subconscious, while filtered through
a lens of low fi intimacy. With his first offer,
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Songs of Love and Blight, Harrison offers a cinematic vision
in a realm of experimental folk, which is very well written.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Thank you, AI Overlord. That's all they're stuck.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
For writing bios, writing emails, you know, things that none
of us really want to do.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Yeah. Yeah, they should be stocking shelves and you know,
computer should be stocking shelves and in writing emails. We
should be left to be making art or something like that.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I'm fine with them making their own art too. I mean,
like somebody also needs to be making like the like
corporate logos and stuff, because nobody really wants to be
doing that. So, like I say, a little make art,
but like do that stuff. Nobody wants to be designing
the Subway logo twenty times.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
You know, yeah, I completely agree. I like, for instance,
I did make music video for this record, and did
I use AI? I absolutely did, because trust me, it's
a lot cheaper than trying to come up with those sets.
You know what I'm saying. Yep, just sitting there and
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you know, making a music video Lily in my underwear,
but not because it's sexy, but because it's because I
don't well, it's it's a little factory. It can't be
I feel like, not the way I would doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Half those creating art or music is losing your mind
a little bit, and most of that involves not wearing pants.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah. Yeah, Actually I started originally about ground on this
record during COVID. So the song some of the songs
were written with no pants either, so called songs of
pantsless love and blight.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah, give an accurate title. That what we should call
the record.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Hey, I I feel like love and blight are also
antless things. So it's implying, you.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Know, this is pretty true when you get down to it,
you get down to brass tacks, there's no pants involved.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I love that we like talked about this beforehand and
had like a game plan. I was like, we're going
to talk about this first, and then immediately I'm like, no,
we're talking about pantslessness. Apparently right out the window constantly.
I don't know why bother making a plan. It never
goes goes how I.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Won Everyone's going to plan to get punched in the face.
Everyone has a plant. Yeah right, everyone's going to those
pants are out the window.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I have a quick aside about that. Uh. We did
this presentation at frog Manfest and I was like, we're
gonna give her three super quick cryptids, just you know,
in case people like don't know what they are. Everybody
there should know what they are. We're at a Frogman festival. Yeah,
And so one of them was Presdent Nightcrawler because they're
getting really popular right now. And like, all I had
(06:08):
written on the slide basically was I hate it when
my pants become sentient and walk away. And when I
said that, everyone just stared at me. And I was like,
it's a joke. It's a joke. I'm not losing my mind.
It's a joke.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, but they all.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Just stared at me, and I just moved on.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. Well, actually to that point, the President Night Callers
is like, I'm relatively new to that one. I just
really discovered that one this year, and I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I think that one is they're super fascinating. Weird, Yeah,
because the first footage was in two thousand and seven,
so they're relatively new.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
They're relatively they're relatively yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, it's just it's interesting that they're just now rising
in popularity. I think that after Mothman, people generally went to, like,
all right, what's the next next cryptid that could like
have a butt on it. I genuinely think that was
the Lenk Picker. That is my theory. At least.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Did you imagine the Presdent night Crawler would just be like,
oh you I've.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I have definitely seen some cheeked out Fresno night Crawler,
like not even looking for it, just you know. That's
anytime you look up presd No night Crawler on the internet,
you get like two normal Fresno night Crawlers and then
you get just like fully caked up Fresno Nightcrawler.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Yeah yeah, what ones I say? Juicy on the Vacuum.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Which was so funny. My next slide after the Presdent
Nightcrawler was the Loveland Frog. And I use this art
from our pals at a Loring podcast. Kimmy drew the
kicked up Loveland Frog and when that came on the screen.
Everyone started laughing because like he's got cheeks, and I
was like, okay, so you laugh at that, but not
the pants leaving. Okay, all right, Yeah it's eleven in
the morning. I don't blame you.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, well, you know it's Loveland, you know. Uh, I
guess for the audience. I actually live the exit away
from yeah, Loveland. Yeah, the Loveland frog man. You know,
I live in Milford exit away from that. I've seen
no frogs out here.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean I think part of the Little Miami goes
through Milford too, right, Yeah, yeah, so you could, in
theory see the Loveland frog in Milford.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
That's a possibility. I live right across the street from
a cemetery too. I don't know how one would do
with the other. Yeah, but I feel like if I
was going to run into him, it'd be there when
I love my dog, right, So yeah, I would go
ahead him.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Oh no, I was gonna say me slowly trying to
go back to my plan that I got immediately distracted from.
You said you read tarot as well.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yes, I do. I've been doing that for uh wow,
I guess more than half my life now. Weird to
think about started when I was like fifteen, and you know,
my mom was into My mom very much into all
things of wu wu, even though she doesn't come across
as that you typically picture people like that, you'd see
(09:13):
wearing like slowly skirts and crystals and things of that nature.
My mom is painfully Midwestern.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
You know, there's something inherently spooky about midwesterners though, So.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I absolutely agree, and to here to weave everything
magically back in and out of each other. My mom
when she my mom. When my dad passed on and
my mom retired, eventually she moved away. She is now
in Louisiana, and what she does with her every time
(09:49):
is she goes she's actually part of this group of people,
this community, I should say, a big foot hunter. So
my mom actually go.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
My mom absolutely goes squatching all the time. And she
goes on these YouTube channels and like is a guest moderates.
And I had, yes, that's part. I had no idea,
Like I knew she was into this stuff, but I
participating in a community. And she asked me when she
(10:22):
was still here, She's like, hey, Jeremy, can I borrow
your car? I want to go to this big Foot
meet up in Alabama.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, so we have to have your mom on the
show next to talk about going squatching. That's amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Like we were talking like how we all had av background.
I had to like kind of edit and prime some
of my mom's like audio files, so she has like
what sounds like weird bigfoot screams. That is amazing, that's
pretty sick. She would be thrilled.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
That would be so amazing, And I think that would
be a first for us to have like someone and
then also their parents come on. That would be amazing.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh man, we could even we could even play her
audio too. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah, yeah, you've already cleaned it up. I bet it
sounds great.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, it's already cleaned up. That's where to go, Jeremy.
It's not going to be just you howling in the
background with but but yeah, that's what she does. But
(11:39):
she didn't teach me how to do that. How did
you cheer up right back? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
No, that genuinely is really.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, and like and I mostly just read for myself.
Yeah for years, you know, it's just it's just really weird.
And then kind of like I kind of got it addicted.
I won't see it. I formed the habit of watching
like YouTube tarot like uh taro YouTubers. I guess I
(12:09):
should say uh.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I kind of like oh okay, and it kind of
like I kind of got like a like an acceleration
and like like intuition and knowing how to do it
and like so I since then I've been reading for
other people. Yeah, I get called to like, you know,
I do parties or like I'll go to bars. Uh.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, that's one of my favorite things to do.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah you do that as well. Yeah, yeah, see, I
love that. It's fun to like often it's always been
around Halloween, right yep, yep, well not not for als.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Well that's it can be any time of year for me.
I've mostly recently stopped doing it just because I'm like,
I don't the time too. But I feel like genuinely
anytime to your people would just be like, hey, do
you have your cards with you? And I'm like, I
don't carry them with me everywhere. It's a whole box.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Actually I've started. I just bought one of those little
mini decks, so that's just keep that at the ready
because I get that question all the time too. Yeah,
it's always when someone's in like the middle of a crisis.
It's never.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Which And whenever someone's at a crisis, they usually are
at a bar, So that's why that happens. I'm starting
to genuinely wonder if we might be the same person
because I'm also a bartender with a background Navy who
also reads.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
There we have the same skill set. Yeah, we can
compare up resumes.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Actually you can.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Now you can have it.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I'm the guest. Now we're gonna sweat places.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, so what card do you identify with the most personally?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Actually, I have an answer for that. It's it's the
page of Swords.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Page of Swords.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yes, I every time that I have drawn that in
a reading for myself, it has always just been a
stand in for myself, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Good. No, I like that, actually I do. I typically
like a night of pentacles, got okay?
Speaker 1 (14:34):
All right?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, like slow and steady, just like maybe sometimes too slow.
It's just you know, it's but I'm sorry, did you
say tentacles?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Pentacles?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna be roll, honest, listeners, I
don't know much about.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Ples. A couple pentacles is like coins.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, there might be a couple from what you said,
there might be a couple of decks out there that
are like that.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
You know, probably I'm not going to google it, but
I'm going to bet it exists.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, so I google it.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Nine of Pentacles. I'm curious now as far as zodiac,
are you an Earth's sign?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yes, I'm actually all three, all three of them. Wow, Okay,
taurist moon, Capricorn rising, and then Venus and Mars or Scorpio.
So nice.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I don't know what that means, but you just got
signs all the way down. Mine is mostly air signs,
which is probably why identify with swords so much. So
like my my big ones are you know, Libra's son
Gemini rising and Pisces moon, But my Libra is also
(16:02):
it's in Sun, Jupiter and Mercury. So I'm just like
a ton of Libra and it is so intense.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
So yeah, you communicate through aesthetics basically.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Oh yeah, you know that's probably right. Yeah, It's funny.
When I was a kid, I did not identify with
libra at all. But the older I get, I'm like, oh,
I think that might be right.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Now. Yes, I'm kind of curious what you're all Chinese though, Yeah,
it's a wooden horse.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Nice mine's rooster. I don't remember what elementos though, let
me let me look it up.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
I think I'm a metal dragon, like I know I'm
a dragon.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
But oh the water rooster like a metal dragon, brother,
I know.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I have the water.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I feel like I've gotten the short end of the
stick because like in uh, you know westerns are I'm
the scales, which isn't an object, and then in Chinese
zodiac I'm the rooster, which is just inappropriate most of
the time.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
There's a joke about monopoly pieces that I cannot put
together right now somewhere I don't know, but right going, Oh,
I'm an earth dragon. That's not as cool as a
metal dragon.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Not as cool, but still fun of a headshot, I
think now is actually the most hilarious time to We're
going to take a quick break and listen to your song,
Flower Weaver, because that feels appropriate right.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Now for all you Earth dragons out there.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
The game, the.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Name, the the it's a.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Step shots the shots strict, that's.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Definite star star my Moti. Stuff that's.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
Stuff that's ultra stuff, stuff ut stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
That's good stuff.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
And welcome back to Strange Talk. So you just again
heard of Flower Weaver, which is Jeremy's song that is
going to well, I guess it hasn't been released yet.
Your album hasn't been released yet.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well know, you can listen to it now, just the
physical just.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
The physical release, gotcha?
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Okay? Yeah, yeah, it's on Spotify and it's on band camp.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Perfect. Yeah cool. And also now it's on radio Artify.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Yeah, it's on there now.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
So we were talking before our break about Taro and Creature.
You were saying you don't know much about Taro. How
much do you want to learn about Taro?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
I am down to learn about Tarot. All I know
is the Led Zeppelin album cover. Oh the Hermit, Yeah, yeah,
it's speaking of which this is five. It is supposed
to be the year of the Hermit as well. If
you tie numerology, it all comes down to the same
number in the deck, which I forget right now. You
(23:43):
know the writer wait smith deck comes out the same
to being the the year of the Hermit.
Speaker 1 (23:50):
That is great. And also the reason that I know
you know Taro is because you actually called it the
writer weight smith Deck. Most people are just like right
weight and I'm like, who drew it?
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yeah, Pama Coleman Smith. Uh, you know what's fascinating about
I don't know how much you read about her, and like, like,
you know, she she had some very specific notes, but
there was a lot of just kind of do what
you want, like she was given that. And so a
lot of these a lot of characters you see in
(24:21):
uh say, more of the common suits like say, you know, like, uh,
what was it like the Five of Swords for instance,
or things like that. These are characters. These are characters
from like folklore and a lot from Shakespeare too.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That makes sense. I mean, the whole concept of taro is,
you know, it is telling a story about a journey,
So that kind of makes sense that you'd want to
pull in characters from said journey. That actually just made
me check too. I do a Wheel of the Year
every year, and last year my Wheel of the Year,
my main card in the middle was the Hermit, and
I couldn't remember what this year's was. Mine for this
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year is the Chariot.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
So oh, okay, that's a good one. Good one about
mastering h Some say it's the evolver version of the magician, uh,
you know one or the other but uh, yeah. What also,
what I find is very fascinating, and this is something
I just want to I don't know, say, like a
little over a year ago, is if you pay attention to,
(25:25):
especially in the Suit of Cups, is the writer Waite
Smith's deck. Uh, but you see it in some of
the uh in the other suits as well. Uh the
flow of water. Yes, Uh, there's a river that runs
from many of the cards out into like you know,
for instance, the Night of Cups. That's a perfect example
(25:47):
because it's more of like a thinner stream. Yes, I
think it starts at the star maybe or ends there.
I forget. I don't something like that in front of me,
so yeah, uh, but yeah, if you can't attention, like
and it ties into like the intuitiveness and emotion of
that specific car. I don't know. I thought that I'd
(26:09):
never really thought about, but this stuff was clearly I
thought about, oh very much.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
When Yeah, yeah, I very much appreciate how much detail
that she put into that.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
Can I interject I'm kind of curious, So I never
thought about this, but yeah, it totally makes sense that
an artist actually designed the art. I just kind of
assumed it was just old art. But that doesn't make
a lot of sense. Do you guys know much about her? Yeah,
(26:44):
well she was, I don't know, well, I know she
she was giving a lot of notes, very specific notes
like this card has to have this symbolism, this, that
and the other and there are loosely tied to the
original deck. I believe it was French. I forget you,
(27:07):
or you'll have to correct.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Me on that.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
But well, there's a bunch of different ideas about where
it might have came from, but the French one kind
of largely or Italian one is largely kind of considered.
I won't try to pronounce it because it won't go.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Well, yeah, yeah, no, it's pull up the name.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
It's where is it Tarot dave. I think it's Marseilles.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That may or may not be right. I don't speak French.
I am lost there.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, yeah, but but yeah, she kind of incorporated characters
from like pain she made previously, and like I said,
characters from Shakespeare and things of that nature into these states.
She had a lot of wiggle rooms, but there was
a lot of symptimbology that had to be in certain cards,
(28:05):
Like you had had this, you had had to have
that blah blah blah, you know a lot of different
different notes. Uh. I think I believe these were Golden
Dawn people with uncorrect Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
There's a lot of golden and then a lot of.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Like the like the Crowling Golden Down. Yeah. Yeah, the
guys were before him, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
Because there's a separate Crowley deck that's like the deck.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah yeah, and he kind of he kind of game
Game of Thrones his way through it. And then I
was gonna say, from what I understood about him and
the Golden Down, yeah he he very much uh Chancellor Hitler,
uh his way through yeah, through the Wymar because yeah,
(29:04):
that's essentially what happened. You kind of like split it off,
and then people retreated to some capital of him where
they all pooped outside. And I don't know, uh but yeah,
but I don't know, but I'm just saying, but yeah,
(29:24):
there's also the lineral Mond Deck, which is very different,
but it's a Tarot deck as well, and I've been
actually in the process of learning that as well. To
combine the two, and it's very fascinating, but it's hard
because it's like trying to speak a whole new language,
you know. Uh, I don't know it very much. If
(29:46):
you're familiar with that one, do you read that one
at all?
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Which one.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
The lineral Mond or the Norman?
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
But it's French with you know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
That's why all of these I'm always like just pure
panic or like I don't know how to say that.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah Lula Man, I've heard of them, Yeah, Lulu Lemon,
but yeah, that one, like it's very fascinating. Like my
first experience with that one is watching like watching this
lady h read both together and I thought that was
really fascinating. And and there's like it's different ways. Like honestly,
(30:30):
with Taro, you can read whichever way you feel good.
You know, you can read how they tell you how
to do and in like say the little book that
comes with it, like they killed the cross or whatever.
I don't personally, I just kind of I do a
bass card and then it kind of like then I
go down a level and that's that kind of like
(30:53):
the other cards they pull up kind of describe that card,
and then then I can go down another level to
describe each visual card with that. So it's like a
constantly like uh, I don't know ZO mean in I
guess yes, but but I find it really fascinated when
people do that with with that other deck. I think
(31:15):
that's really cool. I don't know, but I'm still learning
that and it's it is weird.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, honestly, all of this is like kind of overwhelming
to learn to begin with, because there's just I mean,
when you think about it, it's a full deck of cards.
So you got you know, your four suits like normal,
but then you also have all the major arcana, which
is twenty one twenty two cards all together.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah. Yeah, so whether they're like seventy eight cards or
something like that, yeah, I forget exactly the number.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
But yeah, yeah, that was quick math.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
No, it doesn't math. I didn't math. I think I
just remember that I did not map that. That's the
last thing I'm going to be doing.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Welcome top, You're ready to do math?
Speaker 2 (32:04):
So is there a is there a like I'm assuming
there's what you're all talking about is like different ways
to read the cards or are they just different suits.
I don't know anything about Tarro.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
There's different suits and there's also different ways to read
the cards.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, okay, yeah yeah, so yeah, like like traditionally, uh
you know, like Alex said, like you have what would
translate directly over you could actually read, you could do
a sort of reading what the regular deca playing cards.
They trans one translates over to the other very easily.
You're just missing a couple of cards, and then you're
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missing what we called the major arcana. The minor arcana
really is just your deca playing cards. Yeah. Like forrins
of diamonds are what you would call pinnacles. It's the
it's the element of earth. You have your spades, which
have swords, which is the element of air. You have clubs,
which is fire, which translates to wand uh. And then
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you have cups with your hearts, which translates to water.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And each one of those they kind of have their
own kind of description. For instance, cups are the element
of waters. We're about feeling and intuition, uh, errors about communication. Uh.
Wands are about passion and drive.
Speaker 5 (33:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Sometimes about your job, yes.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yes sometimes and and uh Chechacles are more about uh
like finances or or comfort abundant, you know, various things
that's done. And in each number, the new tie into numerology,
(33:50):
so they have five. Typically the fives are very good.
You know, there's always some sort.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Of struggle, uh, because kind of goes through its own
you know arc where at the height of it you
have to have some kind of struggle or you know,
something that has to be resolved before you hit ten.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there's similar themes with them, but
it's always slightly different. You know. Two's always referred that's
some sort of decision and then swords that it tends
to be in decision, you know, like I can't I'm guarded,
I can't choose between the two. If you lookau, I'm
to the sword, you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
How afraid of the suit of swords people are because
they're like they're also negative and I'm like, not for me.
I don't know what to tell you, Like that's about
how you're viewing it, you know.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm really glad. I'm really glad you brought that up,
because the one car that everyone and I am guilty
as well. I'm absolutely guilty of this. It wasn't until
not really, not too long ago, there was a certain
reader that I'm man of named Madam Adam that describes
us perfectly, and it's actually just kind of like a
(35:06):
I think it's the name of the book, but he
reads this, he kind of summarizes it from this uh
specific book that's really good on Tiero. But the Three
of Swords, they everyone, everyone is scared of it. It's
like you get the death card, you get swords, and
(35:27):
you get the Tower. Yeah, like everyone's like, uh those
and then the Three of Swords isn't in that conversation
as well as like that can't be good. Uh, but
I find fasting and to explain it, I'm sorry, I'm
getting ahead of myself. The it's a heart with three
swords in it, stabbed through it, and then there's rain
(35:48):
in the background and a pretty sick right. Yeah, it
makes a cool look at tattoo.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
I'll tell you that it's like one of the only
Swords cards that does not have like someone's face in it.
In fact, the only other one that doesn't have a
face in it is the Ace of Swords, and none
of the aces have a face in it.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah. No, that's absolutely right. But what I love about
this is you would think this is like heartache, your
heart's broken, blah blah blah. No, the swords are an
element of air, It's an element of communication and thoughts.
You're breaking your own heart. It's the way you're perceiving
things and the way it's processing in the rein of
(36:29):
the background. It does represent emotions and feelings, but it's
still an element of air and communication. So this is
an emotional hurt. This is what you're doing to yourself.
This is it's because of the way you're perceiving the world.
So it's a lot after understanding that, I look at
that car way different and I feel a lot less
intimidated by it because it feels more this is an
(36:52):
eternal problem and not an external problem.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Well, and that's the thing too, Like it's kind of
warning yourself of like, hey, you need to look into
your own heart right now. You're hurting yourself right now. Concisely,
it's something you can actually do something about.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, yeah, you're like, this is your problem. This isn't
outside of your typically outside problems. The way I read
uh that manifests through major arconom These are outside forces.
This is this is a tide, you know, this is
the tide that you're swimming against. That like the minor
(37:28):
arcona is something that you're typically these are things that
you have more state in them than than you think.
You know, it's not like, oh, this is fate, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
No.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But also I do believe that the way I read
throw I do prime people when I sit down and
read for them, like, hey, look, this is just a
snapshot of what's going on right now, and this can
change at the drop of pad. This is a weather
or report right now, and the weather can change.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's a really good way to put it, actually, Yeah,
because the way I've always explained it to people is that,
like I use it kind of as a psychologist tool
of like what you read into this is the most
important thing because that tells you where you're at right now.
But a weather report is a very good way of
putting that.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah, Like that's the way I think. I also like
to say, like, hey, I and this is the way
to prep them. So if the reading comes out bad,
you know, I hate, but you know, there is a responsibility.
I think as a reader, you don't want to sugarcoat things.
You want to give it to them, like you don't
want to lie to anybody, because that feels as soon
(38:38):
as you feel like you're lying. And I think you're
Daniels showing people that you're giving people a reason not
to believe in it, you know, so I like to say, like, hey,
you're thinking this stuff can change. If it's a good reading,
keep what keep doing what you're doing, it's going to
work out fun.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
If it's a bad reading, then you know, it's kind
of check yourself.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah. Yeah, this is the warning of what not to do,
you know, and I do. I don't know how you
feel about this balance, but I like it when people
talk to me. I like, I look at as far
as the conversation. I hate when people and I get
it because I've done this when I first was getting reading.
It's a way to like, I think it's insecurity and
(39:25):
wanting to prove that someone actually has some sort of
gift or knows what they're doing right.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
You know, they're like checking to see if you're like
hot or cold reading them.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah. I'm like no, I'm like, no, talk to me.
It's a conversation.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, I want to know what you want to know about.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, yeah, tell me about this. Why why did this
come up? I like, and here's the thing. I may
not know what this card means right away, but then
if you see it, if you're going to say something,
I don't know that we know where it's going like yes,
because that's where that's where your tension is driven. I'm
just the one laying out to the land. You know exactly.
(40:06):
You're told me where to go, and if you want
to have a bad reading, just don't.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Say an me yeah, and then you'll be left going.
I wonder what any of that meant, because he didn't
ask any questions.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't get it. You mentioned that you
mentioned a death card earlier. From what I understand, I
been the one thing I know about Taro that's not.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
It doesn't mean someone's going to die. It doesn't mean
someone's going to die.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yeah. It's like a reburse thing personally or something, isn't it. Yeah,
that's the one thing I know about Taro. That's my contribution.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
It's my honestly, it's my favorite card for winter because
it's about you know, like death and renewal. I like
to think of the death card as you know that
song Semi Sonic by Semi Sonic closing time, that line
in there, every new beginning comes from other some other
beginnings end. That is the death card.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Oh No, that's it. No, absolutely, And that one to
me feels more, Uh say, compare it if you want
to compare it to say the Tower, you know, in
a way to be they they occupy like this sort
of like then diagram of some of the same stuff,
you know, but but there are there are major differences.
(41:21):
Like death. The death card feels more like it's anything
I hate. It feels more positive.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, it's it's like a changing of seasons. Yeah, for me,
this moment for the tower, it's more of like this
is abrupt landing and it might feel too soon, but
you still have to level the playing field before the
next thing can come. And I hate the tower. I mean,
I don't hate it, but it's always not fun, but
it's necessary in the end.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, it's okay. It was like the man made the
leaps and things of that nature. It's like it's kind
of the things that you built up yourself are going
to fall, you know, where is I don't know. That
stuff feels more like now when they're upside down, don't
they mean something opposite or is that just a particular
(42:10):
way to read them? Well, yes, and yes and yes.
Speaker 7 (42:13):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
Basically they do take on a different energy if you
read reversals. I personally don't read reversals often.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
I only read them as like it's a more muted
energy of what that card normally means, Like it's that,
but just it's a little bit more muted. It has
a little bit less of an influence.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Yeah, yeah, depending on what it is. I think some
of that it is very much an act or to
be like a misguided energy or h or it's like
a gift being. For instance, if it falls into a
position where hey, this is what you have going for you,
but it's reversed, it means you're not tapping into it.
(42:55):
You know, you're letting you have this ability, but you're
letting it go to waste. You know. Uh that that's
one way to read these things too. Uh So so
what would upside down death mean? Well, it depends on
what else is around it. You know. The thing is
all the cards have a basic meaning, but it's.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Context.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah I got yeah. Yeah it could mean For instance,
there could be a situation where say to a romantic question,
you know, uh, and say you read reversals and if
there is a car, say there's a card about love.
Uh say two of cops for instance, Uh, you pull
(43:41):
the two coups. Uh, something of that nature, or or
actually let's go ahead and say the six cups. You
know that can be tied to nostalgia and and love
and uh uh someone is coming back and things like that.
Uh uh, but if you if you have say the
(44:02):
deck card reverse next to it, give me like you're
not letting the past die, like you're holding all the
suff like like, uh, you're looking. You're looking at the
paths and broke pitted glasses and you need to let
some of us go. Okay, Sorry that was loud.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I was trying to pull out my taro deck to
look at it.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I'm sorry, I may have got this wrong, like I'm
just going on memory. I'm literally just pasting around my
room and burn my house. And remember.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
No, I think your dog's like my tar. Next, well,
on that note, let's uh, let's take a quick break
and let's listen to another one of your songs. Let's
see this. Next one is called Crook of Rain.
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Try ezon scenes shine lie crickerd under the.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
Smaller colll.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
On the wall, sound lie.
Speaker 7 (45:55):
Layer mode on soundside.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
In the yelloway some.
Speaker 2 (46:04):
God Lie.
Speaker 4 (46:20):
Change trips, black.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
Flood up.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
A bag.
Speaker 7 (46:35):
Falls belts, small.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
Crowl lies.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
O wall.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Some lie.
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Line sounds side.
Speaker 3 (47:08):
Gone.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
All right, welcome back to strange Talk. And again that
song was Crook of Rain by Jeremy Harrison. Rain Cups
maybe related, maybe not?
Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, it could be what Actually, you know I've heard recently.
Go ahead, Okay, I was just I was just gonna
make a dumb joke. I was just kidding, Go ahead
and get just fired off. I was just gonna say
I've heard recently that cups are part of taro. Go ahead.
(47:51):
It was not more serrailing the show. I followed kind
of a new developments. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (48:03):
Yeah, they really debated, including that one. I mean they're
a little controversial.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Yeah, yeah, Like I don't think it made it a
theatrical release or something.
Speaker 1 (48:13):
Yeah, I think that was like the director's cut only
I'm sorry, the director's cup only.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
My bad.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:23):
This is the real reason we can't talk about tear
on the show is because it just leads into me
making cups puns for like an hour.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
The guy city in the Chair.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
I don't know, spy for radio, I don't know. You
told me cut it out.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I guess that's a that's a decision. When I'm editing that,
I'll like, I'll stare at it intensely for a while.
Ago nobody will get it. It's fine.
Speaker 2 (48:57):
A cup chair, you know where I didn't get it.
So I think I think it's gonna be. I'll explain.
Speaker 1 (49:11):
Speak of explaining later. You are doing your album release,
as we discussed, it is going to be at Radio Artifact,
which I call Radio Artifact our mothership because they're the
ones who let us do this show largely without influence,
like genuinely, they kind of let us do whatever, including
me making an hour of cups puns.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
So yeah, yes, and yes, yeah, I'm actually gonna be
performing in the Mothership in the in the small room.
I forget what they call that.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I'm calling it the pod from now on. I don't
know what it's actually called. It's the pod control it,
I don't know. Oh yeah, that would be the bridge
because that's where you know, like the whole soundboard and
the other thing is Devon's gonna love me for that one,
sorry Devan.
Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yes, so I'm performing into there and uh yeah, it's
gonna be the physical release from my record.
Speaker 5 (50:05):
Uh uh.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
This is all put on by David University through their
music series and we're doing it and also thanks to them.
I was able to procure some donors who kindly gave
me some money to make a physical release of this record.
(50:27):
And because of that, and because I don't really care
about money, like other than like other than like barre necessities,
you know, all that goes all the proceeds to the show.
They go directly to Synth the Animal Care, which is
like the local animal shelter down the streets. I think
(50:50):
they do really good good work. My dog was a
rescue on the streets in Northside, which is the neighborhood
where radio artifactive. Uh, I kind of have like a
little I have a soft spot, I guess. Yeah, I
don't know if people are gonna give money to meet
and I'm gonna find a way to shovel some back
(51:10):
some weird goods, not to like.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Not to fully guilty cure people here, but like who
doesn't love dogs and local music? Come on?
Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah? Because I was actually gonna say, oh sorry, go ahead,
oh go ahead. Uh yeah, no, I'm saying depending all
the promos, all the promo pictures, that's all the press
pictures are of me and my dog. Yes, is the
(51:41):
dog in the band.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Well, I mean, of course, look at him. He looks
like he can play the mean saxophone.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Yeah, I was I was gonna say, yeah, I hear
a man after my own heart, because I Uh, one
of the ways I decompressed when I'm extra stressed out,
it's a I follow several disabled cats on social media.
I like that, and I've always like and I've always
(52:12):
thought like, if I ever hit like a big payday,
I definitely liked at least pay off the bills of
a lot of the rescues that take in a lot
of these disabled cats and stuff. So that's one hundred
percent awesome. But you're doing that right now. It just
it just feels good, you know.
Speaker 8 (52:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
And yeah, well the one of the ladies that like,
she's the director there and I worked with her for
years and like in like in like the bar and
like you know, like the bar team. So we have
a good report. So I'm like, oh, yeah, you work here.
It's right down the streets, down to where I found
(52:49):
my dog. Yeah, let's let's get you guys from Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
That's a great, great thing to do. And what what
day did you say that show was or did you
mention that yet?
Speaker 2 (53:00):
April eleventh, a yeah, and it starts at eight o'clock,
I believe. Also, we're gonna have Ben Wonder uh so
far slated to be our opening act. Ben Mander is
a incredible guitar player. He plays for the scrip called
The Bad Plus he also played on David Bowie's last record,
(53:21):
So that's kind of exciting. Yeah. I wasn't ready for that, sorry, Alex.
He played on Yeah, he played, He played on Black Star.
That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ben Wonder played on Black Yeah,
(53:42):
he's the opening He's gonna be opening for me, which
I don't know what what your world life falling into
where a man like that's opening for me, but here
we are, half of my life is just failing upwards.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
I feel that, I mean humanly feel that.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Yeah. Well he's a good he's a good friend of
the Gavior music series, and he's actually played in our
local area in Cincinnati, uh before through it. So that
so that's really how that all came about. I actually
don't know this guy or anything, but I will meet him.
Speaker 1 (54:22):
So yeah, that's pretty Yeah, and that is April eleventh.
I'm just reiterating that once again because my brain is
mixing up all the dates right now, April eleventh.
Speaker 2 (54:35):
April eleventh, Yes, it's Friday, to be eight pm. Uh yeah,
Ben wonder. Then then I'm doing a kind of a
fleshed out version of this record, Like so I'm playing
with a bunch of musicians and we're kind of mutating
some of the materials so it's a little more interesting live.
(54:57):
So yeah, it's going to have some loud parts here
and there.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
And not to speak for Radio Artifact, but I'm assuming
they will also be streaming it on their YouTube page.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Yes, yes, awesome.
Speaker 1 (55:09):
They do really really good production.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went in to check out the
place because it's been years since I've actually seen like
a a performance there, and I was blown away by
what they do.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh yeah, they really know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (55:24):
Yeah, we're gonna have a local visual artist named Ian
Hayes who's gonna be doing background video manipulations at the
same time. So that'll be fun. Supposed to be. It's
been marketed as a sensory experience, like like we might
(55:47):
have there might be some like I don't know, something
to stimulate the old factory.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Senses to get some going.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, there's some logistics I got to figure out what that? Yeah,
you know, yeah, but I'm excited about it. It's gonna
be fun. I never intended on performing this record live.
This is just something I did at home by myself. Yeah,
And I you know, it was just an exercise of
making the record I wanted to make. Yeah, I always
(56:22):
wanted to make and never have the opportunity to because
it wasn't the kind of music I was playing at
the time. And think like that it was what spoke
to you exactly. Yes, like, this is what I've always
wanted to do, and I finally got to do it.
But now I have to figure out how to do
it live.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah, which good luck with that. It's so much easier
to just do something and record it and be done
with it, and then it's like that make it sound
good live? It's like, wait, yeah, you mean I can't
just record it like two hundred times to get the
perfect take. Don't like that?
Speaker 2 (56:54):
Yeah, Well, and this is the first time for me. Actually,
this is the first time because I'm used to rehearthy
they're going into a studio recording and then being done
with it. Here, I wrote as I recorded as I
was writing, or vice versa, whatever, and so I there's
(57:15):
been me having to go back and go like why
was I playing right there? Like I having to go
back and relearn this stuff, like keep myself like I
don't know how to play that.
Speaker 1 (57:26):
I'm laughing because like people like don't understand. They're like,
as a musician, what do you mean you have to
relearn your songs? What do you mean you forgot? And
it's just like, well, if you don't play it for
a while, you forget.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, yeah, somethings I haven't. I've never played these songs live,
first of all, and I and some of them, I've
the only time I played them was when I recorded them,
so exactly the process of me having like what were
you playing? And I have to go in and because
I've recorded this all at home because I wanted to
feel very intimate, like a so it all dunks down
(57:59):
a little low by because I wanted it to sound
like a handwritten love letter or something like that. But
I have to go back and pull up all the
tracks of the sessions and mute all everything just here
one instrument, like wait, what I would playing?
Speaker 3 (58:17):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (58:19):
Well, speaking of we're about at the top of the hour,
so I think We're gonna outro on your track Strange Familiars,
because of course that is perfect for this show. We
obviously love you know low five stuff too, so.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
It all think Strange and all things strange.
Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, so thank you so much for coming on and
talking with us.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, thanks so much. Yeah, I think it's my pleasure.
I'm a big fan of you guys. You guys quite
a bit. Yeah, you don't have to lie or.
Speaker 1 (58:51):
Honestly, I'm glad that you emailed us because now I
get to go listen to your music.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
To So.
Speaker 2 (58:56):
No, no, no, I'm not lying. I actually because I'll
look at a couple of like weird podcasts and then
i'll set it, and then I always fall to sleep
during it, and then I wake up and it's you
guys talking.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
It's like Spotify being like, hey, maybe talk to these
weirdos on the internet.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
You like that, You're going to love these weirdos.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Amazing, Jenuine, thank you so much again. Hopefully we'll see
you and everyone else out at your record release show.
And on that note, we're gonna go ahead and sign
up from Strange Talk.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Good night, Thank you, thank you again, good luck, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
The vast.
Speaker 8 (01:00:39):
Since you are listening to Radio or Effect on sixteen
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Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
In north Side, M ninety one point seven s M
hd W e X, and Cincinnati.
Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
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