Strange Talk S4E21 Ep. 121 Paranormal Rescue And The Mystery of Vanishing Spirits

In this episode of Strange Talk, we’re joined by Brian Sterling-Vete and Helen Renée Wuorio of Paranormal Rescue, a sort of real-life Ghostbusting team that steps in when hauntings turn into full-blown emergencies. Whether it's a lingering presence disrupting a home or something far more intense, Brian and Helen have seen it all, but their work doesn’t just stop at helping the haunted; they’ve also been researching one of the biggest questions in the paranormal field: Do ghosts have an expiration date?
Their groundbreaking research, Project Half-Life, suggests that spirits may gradually lose energy and fade away around 100 years after death. We first mentioned their work when an article on Unexplained Mysteries tried to condense this theory into just a few paragraphs, but now we’re getting the full story straight from the source.Brian and Helen take us deep into the science behind their research, explaining how quantum physics might actually support the existence of the paranormal rather than rule it out and also explain why ghosts may fade away at around 100 years afterlife. They also share eerie firsthand encounters from their work with Paranormal Rescue and how sometimes the simplest answers explain the weirdest phenomenon.It’s an episode packed with ghostly science, strange encounters, and the real-life work of those who step in when the supernatural gets out of hand. Tune in for a fascinating hour of hauntings, high strangeness, and the mysteries of what happens after we die—before the ghosts fade away.Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, Evil Behind the Mask by Karl Casey, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
No good evening, and welcome to the how.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
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host Alex and we've got some very special guests today.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
If you would like to introduce yourselves.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Hello, I'm Brian Sterling. Vite you all.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
My It's Helen Renee Warria. Well, thank you for having us.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah, thank you so much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
So this might sound familiar for you all listening in
because we talked a couple of months ago. You're an
article someone wrote about your research came up and I went,
we really really should talk to them because I think
there's more to this article than what's here, because there
was not a lot of information in the article. So
I reached out and I'm very glad that you responded
back because your project Half Life is super super interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Well, thank you very much, and I'm glad you did
reach out because when I saw the article, I nearly
fell over and cried because it was a three page
document and that was condensed down into three pages. Yes,
but the tabloid newspaper that it appeared in was two columns. Yeah,
and you can't pray see it that much and that effect.

(02:49):
You basically said project half life, ghost can die and
this guy's an expert.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, that was basically it. I think I won't remember
the line. It was just ghosts die after one hundred years.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Helen woke me up on Halloween morning to this. I
had no idea it was in the paper.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I said, oh, your story is in the paper, and
then I read it and went, oh.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
No, yeah. The the article that I found was the
one from Unexplained Mysteries, which I'm seeing it on other
stuff now as well. But this one just says ghosts
may die after life span of one hundred years, researcher claims.
And I was like, there's got to be more to
this because this is like not even like two paragraphs
and yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
No, the research was it was much more in depth.
But they again, it's the tabloids in Britain. The tabloids
are notorious for butchering the report. They've got so many
columns to fail, they've got so much space. You can
understand it. But yeah, it's do me a favorite print
a little bit more, guys.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, at least take some of the like actual data
from the website at all.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Oh god, no, don't. Let's look at the fact I
let that get in the way of a good fun story.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I think it's a more fun story if you have
any amount of facts to it, just a little bit
of facts, just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Well. The interesting thing was that we came up with
the idea or the seeds of Project Half Life came
to us after an investigation at a place called Bodmin Jail,
which is a huge around two hundred and fifty three
hundred year old jail. It's been built up and it
built over over the years. But the core of what

(04:37):
you see there now in Bodman in Cornwall, and if
you have a foun of pulled out the TV series,
you will have seen Body in Jail by the way,
So there you go. It's about two undred and fifty
years old or thereabouts. We were invited to speak at
a convention there with some very interesting people on the
on the on the credits, and we were having bret

(05:00):
Us the next morning after the investigation, and I think
Helen commented, it's pretty quiet that investigation. There wasn't much activity.
I said, well, actually, come to think of it. When
you think of it, these old places don't have much activity.
It's the newer places that have the activity. And on
the way back from Cornwall, which is a five hour
drive to Manchester, Helen and I were talking away there,

(05:22):
going well, hang on, what if there's a link here
between the more modern places. Then it started as thinking
about what if ghosts lose energy, what if they can't appear?
And that's how it's sort of snowball from there. And
this is about ten years ago, wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, it was years ago.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
And I'll blame you because she came up with Then
you notice it.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Send you down the rabbit hole, do the research.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
I think said. I think she does it just to
keep me occupied for a while. I'll send you and
like a dog with a like a ball or go chase.
The ball was a new thing to chase, but it
was fascinating, and that we have always tended to collate
data when you do an investigation, if you know, no

(06:10):
matter how brief it might be. At times depending on
the investigation, we still collate certain baseline data. And if
we ever encountered and I'll use the word sentient broadly
here entity that appeared to be the ghost of a
former once human and we could interact with it sentiently,

(06:34):
that fell into the category of that we were interested
in everything else when it was stone tape theory or
there was a logical explanation, but too many potential variables,
we sort of ignored. We stuck to the ones that
were pretty I hate to say certain, because as research
as you can never be certain without evidence of evidence

(06:57):
at that yes, but the ones that we were really
certain that, okay, this is an entity that is genuine.
And when we collated it all, we took a sample
of one hundred of these these cases. It surprised us
because about fifty percent of the entities that were sentient

(07:20):
that we interacted with they were less than one hundred
years old. And then the next step or next jump,
if you like, one hundred two hundred and fifty was
about thirty percent or thereabouts, And I can't remember my
exact figures now, I think twenty seven percent, that's it.
One hundred, two hundred and fifty. And when you got

(07:41):
past one hundred, sorry, two hundred and fifty years of age,
it was virtually nothing.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Unless and I'll put an addendum here, unless whatever we
were dealing with was or seemed to be able to
feed from a source of energy that is unknown to us. Yeah,
so it soon became clear. Then I call my friend
Adrian Liam and a soda and said, Adrian, would you
do my favorite? Can you go through your research? And
then a startup putting calls out and they all seem

(08:09):
to find the same sort of thing. Now, So what
I'm hoping to do with you guys is encourage people
to write in objectively document what they have encountered. If
they go on our website Powernormal Rescue dot com and
go to the research section, they'll see this article about
Project half Live and to see the categories of one

(08:33):
hundred hundred and fifty et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
And if anyone has information they're wishing to share and
help collate through through strange talk radio, that would be
really useful to get a broader picture, not just in
the UK or certain part limited parts of the US,
but a broader the more broke across the US. Yeah,
it would be fantastic.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Yeah, yeah, I think it is really interesting.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
The fact is, the fact is, when you think about it,
if a ghost is an imprint, what makes it possible? Well, Reikie,
Helen is a reiki master. I'm a reki master. But
Helen did some research when we were writing our course
books on reikie. Tell them about the research about the
electrical potential of the human body.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
I'll let you explain that.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Okay, Well, the electrical potential of the human body.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Predicalar numbers, the numbers.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
He's got the numbers yet.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
I can't remember what hyd for breakfast yesterday, but I
can remember.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
All your brain powers go into the numbers.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
My brain. I think I'm doing project half like myself.
I'll fade out and I'll show so if it suddenly
goes dead air, folks, it's me. I've faded out and
just disappeared. Anyway, what it what? It led us to
into some research about the electrical potential of the human body,
and if therese circa fifty trillion cells in the human body,

(09:57):
and each sell us an electrical membrane potential of er
point seven of a vault. That's three and a half
trillion vaults of electrical potential in the human body. And
when we die, where does that go? This could explain
a mechanism where there's an imprint or a ghost, a
ghostly spirit apparition in that becomes of this three in

(10:18):
our trillion volts. It's certainly possible. And anyway, that's how
we started, sort of like trying to understand the mechanisms
behind what a ghost can be and what a senti
identity can be, and the energy that they might have
to initially feed themselves. Then it doesn't surprise me when

(10:39):
Professor Brian Cox from Manchester University turned around and said, well,
ghosts cannot exist because they must adhere to the second
or thermodynamics, which is a pretty broad statement, and in
my opinion it was not the best statement to make,
because it would be like saying people can't exist because
eventually people after the conform to the second law the thermodynamics,

(11:03):
and we fade away and die because we lose energy
to reproduce ourselves. Yes, but what it does suggest to
me is that ghosts have a lifespan. Yes, yes, and
there is only so much energy that a ghost can
possess and maintain without being artificially fed from some other source.

(11:24):
Hasten to add that their natural energy that they have
from death probably last for and use the term our years,
about two hundred and fifty years before they seem to
move on to another side. Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
I'm curious. I just thought about this, collecting more data
if you know, more modern you know, spirits that begin
to appear, I'm curious if they will have you know,
almost more energy because we interact with so much more
you know, electric magnetic stuff. Now, I'm kind of curious
how that will sway that data and see if things

(12:04):
last longer or if they don't. I'm curious how that's
gonna end up changing things. But we'll need data to
see what happens.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
That is an excellent point, and I totally agree with
what you're saying, because someone like bottling Jail that his
own stone slabs and bits of steel that has got
less electrical activity going on there, and it does have
In your radio station studio now where you're surrounded by
all sorts.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Of equipment, yes, and things that go.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, electromagnetic radiation really does help to ramp up any
legend activity.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
It really does.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Yeah, and your sensitivity to it as well, of course. Yes,
So it's not what is actually being ramped up, it's
also down your perception of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
They've done a lot of studies of like dense electromagnetic
activity puts people on edge, and I think that that's
part of why people are more sensitive to see something,
and that is it just makes them like, even if
they're not feeling that, they're feeling the like tenseness of it.
Which is why absolutely people don't like basements because that's
where all your like the magnetic stuff is. It's all

(13:10):
in the basement, and that's why you feel doom and
gloom down in the basement.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Yeah, why can't people have happy faces painted on walls
in the basement. You see these ghost shows. It's always
a demon in the basement.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Basement floor liketromagnetic stuff. It's always dark. There's only one
light bulb.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
Yeah, they've got really rubbishy lights lighting. The bulb is
about five what bulb?

Speaker 2 (13:37):
You can't see radius of this, that's all you can see.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
And they're falling over stuff that this had there for
years and can't Oh, I just bang my leg, but no,
Helen and I were on an investigation. It was upon
a normal rescue case a number of years ago. Now
a beautiful double barn conversion. It's on the same theme
as you've just been talking about electromagnetic radiation and beautiful

(14:05):
double barn conversion. And we've got to call just after Christmas,
can you help us? We've got a problem. And after
eliminating you know, they go through an assessment called the
Curtis scale, which is invented by Kelly Curtis from Manchester
University to assess whether they have a valid potentially valid

(14:25):
a case that we can study or help with. They
passed the scale past the threshold really without any problems,
so we deployed quite a big team. A lot of
audio activity going on at place. One of the main
things they were concerned about is over the Christmas period
that year they had their children and their grandchildren staying

(14:49):
with them, and the grandson had always complained about problems
in his room, about shadow fear, something stalking his bed
at night, hovering over him with piercing red eyes looking
down into his face, and this reached the crisis point
whereby he was deeply, deeply disturbed, and his mother said, look,

(15:15):
I'm going to stay there with you or sleeping your
room with you. So she did. She had exactly the
same experiences. So that's when the grandparents were right, okay,
this problem. Yeah, they stormed out, they went home early,
so the holidays got short abruptly. So the grand grandparents
called us and Helen and Kelly from the university. You

(15:36):
deployed first, and you have solved one of the problems,
Waller straight away. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
So Kelly and I have walked around the room checking
just kind of doing a pre check of everything, and
we discovered that the alarm clock right next to the
bed was emitting so much electromagnetic radiation that it affects
the temporal love of the brain. It makes you think
that you're seeing things to be dealing things and remove

(16:02):
the problems. So that was easily solved.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
That probably explains a lot I saw as a kid too,
as I had an alarm clock like that that now
lives in my garage. So the same line as well, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
No wonder you couldn't sleep well back in the days.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, this is like, well, that alarm clock was right there,
and then I started using my phone and I don't know. Now,
I don't see stuff usually before I fall sleep.

Speaker 3 (16:27):
Well that's why it's really good to have nothing by
the bed at night. It can cause you sleep because
it's right in line with Michael Singer's experiments in Canada
when you produced the God Helmet. And of course the
God Helmet was a enabled people to have a religious
or supernatural experience without actually being so it was just
the electromen.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Yeah, I can do a lot.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
So that the Bramble Barn case was presented some of
the very interesting issues. There's a lot of audio going on,
audio issues going on, like sound of footsteps and a
bell ringing. So because it was such a strongly weighted
audio case, I got a friend of mine who's an
Academy Award winning sound engineer, and he bought his Hollywood

(17:14):
sound equipment set rigged so rig every room. It looked
like you could actually make them do a remake of
the down Ton Abbey because it was that fun, that fantastic.
It was five and ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Microphone a radio show down to n Abbe.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Oh well, it was fantastic anyway, so he deployed all
that stuff, and interesting enough, when it came to analyzing
the bell, we heard the bell ring. Wow, and of
course on his equipment it was fantastic and it was
it was a big, deep bell sound. It sounded like
the big ben bell in London.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
Now that set us off trying to find the source
of this, and we were about an hour later. We
were pretty much giving it like banging.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Anthy, I'll find that sound.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
We got to find out what this was.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
And we spent a good hour all of us there.
I think there was four or five of us, I think,
and they actually had.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
A grape big bell in their living room too, so we.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
We went next to that.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It wasn't the same it was.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
We were sat next week when we were when we
heard it ring, so we know it wasn't that one. Yeah,
that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (18:28):
It was the dog. The dog wagged its tail into
a radiator and one particular radiator. And it's only because
we'd given up, we were just about to have a
tea break and going, you know what, let's put this
into the two percent we don't know box. And they
went there just happy as Larry.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
The dogs like, what are you guys doing?

Speaker 3 (18:52):
No idea that made that noise?

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Again?

Speaker 3 (18:55):
There you go doing it just shows you how thorough
you've got to be.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
You have to check for every possible permutation there, and
that one was you just needed the dog next to
the radiator.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
It was a certain radiator. We banged the radiators in
other rooms. Yeah, no problem, this is one radiator that
we missed.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Just and the dog went, let me help.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, which shows you when you eliminated the impossible, no
matter what, Yeah, remains, no matter how improbable, it must
be the truth. Anyway, there was an element that we
cannot explain, and when it goes in the two percent box,
we call it the two percent box because ninety eight
what we encounter is generally explainable in one way or
another scientifically, but generally falls into the weedown. Yes, and

(19:44):
there was a video footage that the owners of the
home had of the dog apparently being attacked. That's what
it looked like, Yeah, by some unseen entity, unseen force.
And we said, up the pass it over a link.
She led the way on this.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
We set up the we set up the SDEs method.
We had Kelly listening in on with the headphones on
the blindfold so she could not hear our questions, and
she's just listening to the static trying to hear words
come through.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
So we're asking, we have a lockdown, stund up argument with.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Whatever it is, why are you attacking the dog? And
we're having a real conversation this purpose entity. It was
saying because it's fun. I like it. We just went
on back and forth and I was.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Getting quite angry. I want to stop, and you will
be exercised whatever it is. You would be forced to
leave if you do not stop attacking the dog.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
And finally at the very end said okay, fine, And
four years on there hasn't been any problems, so we
did finally get it to stop.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
If that entity is still there, it's just there, like,
don't exercise me the dog, I promise, so boring.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
You wonder what it is? Was it human? We do
not know?

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
It was it a ghost? We don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, even a human ghost? Who knows it?

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Could it? Could?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
We just.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
We had a case in Bolton. There is an old
it's a mill town to the north of Manchester and
there is an old police station there and they have
jail cells underneath. It's about one hundred and fifty hundred
and eighty years OLDO. It's not that old really in
British terms, but it's it's quite gloomy and oppressive. Anyway.

(21:45):
They there's an investigation going on there. This is a
charity gig. Actually, we don't often work with members of
the public, but we had several members of the public
joiners to raise money for dog rescue with this Halloween
period about four years ago, and we invited a local
team in. They were very nice and they helped process

(22:06):
the people through, show them what a real power nomal
investigation is like and what have you. At the end
of the investigation and the evening, they were performing a
wisure board session and it became clear to me, sitting
on the sidelines, that something was not quite right with
whatever it was that was communicating with them. It seemed

(22:31):
to be seemed to be sentient. The questions were answered
in a way that suggested that, but also it suggested
that it wasn't human. So I asked the question, were
you or are you the remnants of a human? No?
It was this was straight away and Planchet no, yeah,

(22:53):
now I'm not a great believer in attachments in the
classical sense. But these people jumped. They performed it sort
of like a knee jerk reaction, that's the best way
to put it anything, and didn't shut the board down.
They just ended the session. About two or three days later.

(23:15):
The lady that ended the session, that wasn't it wasn't
ended appropriately.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
You're always going to do it the right way, the
right way.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
Whether that's psychological, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, it could be that your psychological. You're ending it
on your side. You can't hurt to shut it down,
so you cannot. Over All, this is just.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
For everyone's peace of mind, and just like protecting yourself
before going into an investigation, peace of mind. Let's just
protect themselves before we go. Yeah, well we've got a.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Call from the lady a few days later. Look I've
got a problem. Of course, they always call us because
paranorl will rescue, solves problems. That's what we do. It's
like international, but it's like Thunderbirds.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
The paranormal ghostbusters a little bit.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
We all walk like puppets, you know. But she said, look,
I've got a shadow figure and something's attached to me
since I didn't shut that. We your sessioned down properly,
and it's it's becoming problematic. Yeah, it's the she didn't
have the electromagnetic issues. We checked for that, but this

(24:27):
thing was stalking at night and menace. Menacing, I think
that is the word.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
She was very word.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Let's let's perform I sort of like impish mind. I thought,
let's perform an experiment here. Let's let's look at the
power of belief mm hmm, and see where this goes.
I said to Okay, I'm going to give you an incantation.
And he used the word incantation because it sounds special,

(24:57):
sounds religious.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Basically, it's it's going to do something.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
Thank you. I mean, you could have an incantation for
a copy jingle and television it's a ringle, but it
sounds better to be an incantation. Yes, And I want
you to recite this at least three times a day,
and every time you encounter this this entity, to recite

(25:23):
with determination, with absolute belief in the incantation that it
will go. Then it will disappear. It will be exercise,
and it must not stay there. It cannot attach to
you any longer. It has to go. So I said,
please repeat the following words and their Latin words her

(25:45):
mare per terram trent, paratus, see this pack, and parabellum.
So she wrote it down. I wrote it down for it.
She wrote it down in her own handwriting because she
can't read. I've got terrible hand, like spider walks over
a page of the page. Anyway, she she copied it
out and it worked. About a week later, she rings

(26:06):
me up and put it on speaker and Helen and
I robbing her hands, going did it work? Did it not?
She's yeah, it's worked, absolutely, like a dream. It came
a few times when it came back. But I said
the words you told me to say, I said them
with meaning and belief. And it's done. It's gone. It's fantastic,
Thank you. She never asked what the meaning of the

(26:28):
words were. Per Mare per Tara means by sea, by land,
who trend aparatus means always prepare prepared for anything, ready
for anything, and see this packing. Parabella means if you
want peace, prepare for war. It's the motto of the
Royal Marines, the Parachute Regiment.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
That's fabulous.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
So she'd no true what she was saying, but.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
She believed it, but she believed it.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Yeah, I've always said that I can perform a clear
and a house clear and so on. Exorsus with an onion. Yes, yeah,
if the person having the problem believed in.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
The onion exactly, that's a I played a lot with
Whigwards when I was a kid, and I never had
any problems because I was like, nothing's going to follow
me home. It's not I'm not worried about that. It's
not gonna happen. And I would always close it out
the right way, you know, mostly for peace of mind
for everyone else. And I only had had one friend
who afterwards started seeing shadow people following her around. We

(27:28):
had been doing it, and whatever we were speaking to
said its name was George, and so I was like, oh,
George is following you just tell him to leave. Like,
if you tell him to go, he probably will. And
so eventually she got fed up and was like, you've
got to go, and then he left it. I was like,
you just have to tell it to go, that's all
you gotta do.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, with one hundred percent belief you are going, and
that's it. I doubt you have the right approach. You've
got the same approach that we have nothing's going to
touch it, that's it.

Speaker 4 (27:56):
Yes, the same approach as our friend Kelly Too.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Many of my friends used to give me their haunted
objects and I wouldn't do anything. I'd just hold on
to it for a month or so, and then i'd
give it back and they're like, it's fine now, and
I'm like, I didn't do anything. It sat in my
house for a month.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
You shouldn't tell them that.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Oh I don't, I don't. There you go, that's me
on the back, and I'm like, I didn't do anything.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
I performed an incantation.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah. Sometimes if I was if I had a wild
hair and I thought it might be really bad, I
would sprinkle some salt on it and go okay, and
it was fine. Yeah, And that that it's awful for
me because I'm like, I want to see the ghosts.
I want to see what's haunting you. But nothing ever happens,
and I'm like, well, okay, you're going to have this
back now, it's fine.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
It's kind a surprising number of people that we encountered
that callers for help they want a paranormal solution, they
want a paranormal outcome to a problem.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
That's not people want to be haunted, wanted want to
be We.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Had a lawyer, very nice lady who's a lawyer not
too north of England, very intelligent lady swore that she
had a portal in her bedroom and that legions, legions.
She used the term legions are coming to my portal.
Legions exactly. Every other part of this person seemed perfectly

(29:18):
normal apart from this, and this almost praised intent to
be haunted. When we deployed there, she insisted we came,
and we came. We we deployed equipment. We had Kelly
from the University Hell and myself. In fact, we've got
a very interesting fellow from this. Remember the team is
a special effects technician from the movie industry, so he

(29:41):
helps us debunk things. Very useful people. Yes, we could
find nothing except a badly painted white wall.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I had to use the termishire and I said that
it's just a badly painted white warm and see things
that that's probed oilier.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yes, our brains are wired to look for human faces
and if you've if you've got paint, even if it's
the same paint, and one is glossy and one's mat
it's going to change and you're going to see things
in there because it's not the same.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank you. Yeah, absolutely right. She was bitterly disappointed because
there wasn't a paranormal outcome.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, that's the thing is. I want to see it,
but also I'm a little bit relieved when I don't.
I'm like, okay, cool, you can, you can have this
back now. It's fine.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
We've got a very interesting case that's ongoing at the moment,
and I think we just cracked it because two things
came to light. This is in Carolina, North Carolina, Carolina,
because we do operade internationally, which is kind of strange
for this small team, but we do get around a bit.
And this person's had some strange activity going on at
the house and there's no apparent reason for it. Well,

(30:57):
it became apparent this last month when the electricity company
sent him a bill for seventeen thousand dollars. Wow, and
then they had it analyzed. There's some major electrical fault
underneath the house that the electrical company went to dig
under the foundations because it's like, okay, all of a
sudden electromagnetic radiation springs to mind. There's nobody to check

(31:19):
for this, but he's checked for it.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
Yeah, and no, we were just getting ready to plan
to go out and visit.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
We were ready to glow a team. Yeah, the company's
done our work.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, the electric company went, I got you hold on.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
So whether that does solve the problem.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Yeah, be seen. But yeah, that would probably explain that.
We were talking a little bit before we started recording
of I've mentioned this on the show when I went
out to the Stanley and I'm like, I don't I
didn't see anything while I was there, but there was
so much electricity that my hair was standing on end
the whole time, and every time I touched the elevator
button it would shock me every time. So maybe it's haunted.

(32:01):
Maybe it's not, but there's so much electrical energy there.
It's going to make people see some things. Just that's
what electromagnete fields do. It makes you feel a little paranoid.
It kind of heightens your senses with that, So maybe
it's helping you see things, or maybe it's making you
see things. It could go either way.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Absolutely, I totally agree with them, Absolutely agree with them.
It either rants up what's there or your perception of
what is there, and that can either be a religious
experience or power normal experience, depending upon how.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
You wire exactly exactly, but it's.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
It's very certain. I always find the most interesting things
happen when you least expect them.

Speaker 5 (32:37):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Helen and I have explored the Palmer House in Salks
Center a lot, and we were first intrigued to go
there because of the a TV show where everything was
a demon and the Palmer House was apparently full of demons,
and until we deployed them and found out that's absolutely no, no,
whatever is there. That what we got in touch with

(33:00):
it because we did communicate with something that was apparently
sentient and it seemed quite pleasant.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Ye. It probably was like everyone keeps calling me a demon.
I just want friends.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
Ye, it was. It was nice that evening. Well, that
first night we were there, I went to bed and
it was weird. I felt like I didn't sleep at
all because I felt like all of the spirits were
coming to introduce themselves.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
To Ye, how's it going, And they were like, Hi,
it's so nice to have you here. Welcome, welcome, welcome,
And I was like, oh my goodness. I didn't sleep
at all. That was great though. Fantastic.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah. I was there another time and the hotel was
closed on this occasion with another investigator. Because we knew
the owner very well, we were given permission to research.
So there's the owner, myself and my colleague and we
were on the I think it was the first floor
of the hotel, going in to one of the rooms

(34:00):
to set up some equipment for an experiment. When looking
down the corridor, someone popped out of the stairwell, sort
of leaned out, looked over to us, went hi, and
then popped back into the stairwell, and it was a
black man in wearing a nineteen thirty sort of suit.

(34:21):
That's all I can describe it as. So I immediately, oh,
my goodness, who's gone in the hotel? We're supposed to
be locked and we've left a load of equipment everywhere.
Who is it? So I dashed down the corridor, got
to the stairwell. There's no one there. Dashed down the stairwell,
nearly falling over myself and tumbling, reached the bottom of
the hotel and I bump into the hotel owner. I said,
who the heck's got into the hotel? There's no one

(34:44):
in the hotel, the doors locked. I've been here at
the desk working, there's no one can pass me. I
described what I had seen, said, oh, you've seen the ghost.
You've seen one of the apparents.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Oh, it's just the ghost.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yes, Well I was kind of Oh great, that's great.
As long as there's no one in the hotel. Yeah,
I was equally happy.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Yeah, yeah, well ghost is probably not going to try
to take your equipment.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Probably no, No, if you would, if you were going
to steal equipment, you were dressed in nineteen thirty suits,
so you could be identified immediately.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Could or that is the perfect like Scooby Doo getaway
of just like he was dressed in his nineteen thirty
suit and he just he ran down the street where
it's like, no, that didn't happen, No one's going to
believe you.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Well, funny enough. The next day when we were leaving,
someone said, those pesky.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Kids, meddling kids, medling kids kids.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
That actually shows you.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
It just reminded me of the last house that I
lived in. I had completely forgotten about this. It was
a newly built house. There had been a house there,
and they tore it down and they built this new house.
It was everything was new there. There was some weird
electrical issues, so this partially makes me wonder if that's
what it was. But whenever we would be sitting in

(36:05):
the living room downstairs, it had this staircase that went
up and then there was a little landing and then
it went up again that way, and both me and
my friend when we would be there, we would see
the shadow figure just standing on the stairs, just standing
there where. We're like, what do you want? And I
didn't want anything, but we were just like, why are
you just standing there? So one day I was finally like,

(36:26):
I'm tired of I'm just staring at us. It's weird.
So I, you know, just had this whole day where
I went around to every room in the househere. I
was like, Hey, you have to go. You can't keep
hanging out on the stairs. It's weird. You've got to stop.
We're just trying to hang out and live here. And
we never saw it again after that, And I'd completely
forgotten about that until now because it was such a
like just a small little thing.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
That I completely forgot about it.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
And it's also I didn't even think to try to
get evidence of it either. I was just like, get
off my stairs. It's like, what are you doing.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
You're carmon rational person that would do that. Most people
would pant of a ghost. I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I wish I would have gone trying to get evidence.
I was just like, stop, oh, you would take.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It the right approach. That you're taking the wrong approach.
You're a rational person.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But I do wish I would have tried to collect
some evidence before. I was like, get out of here.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
First.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, the only other it was it was just a
shadow figure, but the only other weird activity we had there.
We kind of jokingly called this the cider ghost. After Halloween,
I was I had some cider and I was putting
it back in the fridge, and when I went to
put it in the fridge, like before it hit the shelf,
I just heard yes. And I turned around because I

(37:45):
thought my roommate might be home, and there was nobody
in the house, and I was just like what. So
we just started calling it the cider ghosts. We were like,
I don't know, it's just a ghost that's really pumped
about cider. And that was the only time. Yeah, I
was just like okay. I was like, I'm just gonna
put this away now. So part of me wonders if
maybe that was the same entity or something. I don't know,

(38:06):
but or it could have just been the electrical issues
in the house.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
It's just very happy.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
Yes, yeah it was. It was like right in my ear,
right behind me, and I turn around just like what wow.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Yeah, it's very strange.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Nothing else weird ever happened there other than that, Like
I said, there was it was an old nineteen thirty
two house that was there before that had been falling
down and then they knocked it down and built a
new one. And I was talking to one of my
neighbors later, apparently that whole area used to be like
a landfill, so we would dig up weird objects in
the backyard all the time, like buttons and stuff like

(38:42):
that because it was all down under the dirt, so
gardening was always interesting.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
It does amaze me, actually, But what you consider old?

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I said that, and I was like, yeah, that's not
even really old compared to anything in Europe.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
Well, and what I've I think this is when we
started talking about the one hundred years or less, I
felt like we did a lot. We found a lot
more activity in America than we do here because I
was thinking, oh, we're going to go to these amazing yeah,
the old castles, fight, some really cool haunted stuff. Nothing

(39:20):
and where you can go to something that's like fifty
years old, sixty years old in America, Yeah, totally haunted.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Yeah, like of course Bob me in jail in col
Absolutely nothing. I mean not to say there.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Isn't maybe the time. I know other people have seen things,
but we got nothing but children.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
And fifty years old thereabouts building. It's just stone and
steel and there's not much left there apart from yeah, visitors.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Yeah, and then this was a brand new house and
a couple of things.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
It makes sense, It just.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
It just occurred to me. I wonder if it was
the old owners of the house, because I found out
from my mailman a little bit later, because I kept
getting these letters and I was like, these people have
never lived here, because this house is now and we're
the first person people who have lived here. And I
was talking to mailman. He went, oh, they used to
live in the house that was knocked down, Which is
funny because if I went back and look at the
glass was all knocked out, the windows. It's like, how

(40:11):
did they live here? It was this older couple. He
apparently passed away and she moved over a couple of streets,
so she still lived in the area, and so when
my regular mailman was there, I would give him their
mail and he would take it to her. So it
makes me wonder now, if it was the man who
passed away and I hadn't thought about that and connected
that together, it could have been him. Maybe he was

(40:33):
just excited on ecider.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, and construction too, any sort of building. Construction can
amp up energy.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yes, well, so yeah, shifts.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
The energy well, and then you're probably if you're doing construction,
you're probably working on the electrical two.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yes, absolutely, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Going back to the Castle Street police station affair, we
had a dog with us at the time, very strange
dog because he was the most placid animal. Nothing would disturbing.
It could be a bomb go off in the car
park outside.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
He was an X racing greyhound and he was the
laziest thing ever.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
That's so funny. I've met so many greyhounds that are
just nervous, but he's just like no, no, just so.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Chill, so chill. But he was the greatest paranormal detective.
He would actually sense things before equipment would pick anything up.
And you were in.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, with him, I would always take him through first.
And he was chasing something through the courtroom, up and
down though the benches, and I don't know what he
could see. I couldn't see it, but he was following something.
Then brought me down into the jail cell downstairs, and

(41:51):
then he just stopped and then he started kind of coughing, and.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, this jail cell entrance and he started but he
started like when he went inside, he started joking.

Speaker 4 (42:04):
Why brought him outside? I was like, oh gosh, what's
going on? Yeah, and then he got his breath, he
was fine. Yeah, but we phoned out that the jail
so that he was in, there had only been two
people that died and they had hanged themselves in that
jail cell.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
So yeah, something, yeah, something, that's yeah, And then we
would go back and investigate that place again.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
And he would never go in that jail seting. He
didn't like.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
He's like, but it's.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
In line with Project Half, because that's about one hundred
and fifty years, fifty years, it's still going to get
about seventeen to twenty percent of activity going on.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's that's part of why with
the house, I'm like, maybe it was the old owner
because that also, I mean, that wasn't that long ago.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yeah, people asked me why did you call it project half?
Like so, well, everything seems to have a half life
where the energy decays and eventually disappears. It does beg
many questions in my mind. If a ghost has a
limited lifespan, Yeah, what and that's let's say, for example,

(43:17):
according to our research, is two hudred and fifty years
maxim is a year of time, the same for them
as it is for us. Because times are construct is
there's no real meaning? Yeah, so how what is the
relevance of time to them? Where do they go to?
How do they transition? And does that following reincarnation if

(43:40):
you like, have a lifespan as well?

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (43:44):
How many of these life spans layers or levels?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah? So how does time work for another?

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:52):
Well, I mean even dogs, you know, we talk about
dog years. You know, they also time is different for them.
So that doesn't make me curious what time would be
like for a spirit. I mean, even like, you know,
a lot of the spirits up here. They're still in
their old you know, garb from whatever, you know time
here they died in but they still can interact with like, yeah,

(44:13):
what's current. Like you mentioned, they know where the stairs are.
Even if the building has been knocked out and there's
a new building there, they still stay on the stairs.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Yeah. Really curious, isn't it. I Mean it's almost like
they've got some like quantrum entanglement with what was there.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, but they still can't interact with what's there now.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Yeah, yeah, which very different from stone tape theory.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
And those storys.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, they witness the soldiers marching down the road, but
they can only see them from their knees up. So yeah,
So but that's completely that's different. That's the stone They're
not actually interacting with you, like you're just watching a movie.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Go with the stone tape theory. The most famous case,
of course, is Harry Martindale in York when he saw
the legion that Helen was talking about, the legion of
Roman soldiers marching through the wall and along the ground
at knee level. Well, he observed many details that weren't

(45:20):
known about at the time as to what the legions
were wearing their armor, that swres and all that sort
of thing, and it proved he was correct about thirty
years later. But it does beg the question about Okay,
what seemed to trigger his experience was a disturbance in
the structure of the property. He was knocking a hole

(45:42):
to a wall to put plumbing in, So again its
structural interference disturbing that. So there's always seems to be
a trigger to stone tape theory and not saying it's
always a disturbance of like knocking something, but it does
seem to be the trigger.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
I think it's interesting too that there seems to be
different types of you know, settings as well, because in
that case, it's like watching a movie you can't really interact,
but then there's ones that will interact. So there seems
to be different and it's maybe it's one takes more
energy than the other. Maybe older ghosts they can't interact
as much. But do you think it's interesting the ghost

(46:23):
that you can be like talking to this box and
they're like, okay, sure.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
It's just interesting. It's fascinating. The more you go, the
more questions there are the answers that you find. Yeah,
It's very annoying, isn't it when you think about it
like that.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
At the same it keeps it keeps you continuing with it.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
It keeps its going. It really is really lucky. It
really is a good thing that we run paranormal Rescue
because we get people knocking on our door that have problems,
seem to have problems that we can sort of cherry
pick the ones we want to or we're able to help,
because we can't can't help with every case that comes

(47:07):
in because we did huge resources and be traveling battles
and fords across the world. Yeah, every other week. But
what we what we have got now little teams in
the United States, in Canada and in Australia, so trusted
people who we work with who are objective, but yet
we'll have an open mind. Their open minded skeptics if

(47:28):
you like.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's what people are always like, do
you believe in ghost and aliens? I'm like, I'm open
minded to it. I've seen things that I can't explain.
Are they goes I don't know. Are they aliens? I
don't know, But I'm not going to rule it out.
I just want some evidence.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I love the way you go. I don't know, because
that is absolutely the right, right approach. It's like where
someone says, can you play the piano? I don't know,
I've never tried. Yeah, but try something until you have evidence,
how do you know? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
It is interesting to me the people that are like,
you know, full on yes or full on known. I'm like,
how can you be so certain?

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I am fairly certain that there is something something on
in the in the UAP phenomena.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Oh, absolutely things. And I fully believe that aliens exist.
Have we seen them? I don't know, just statistically they
probably exist.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Yeap. When you think about they say, UFOs, why can't
we see them in all this everyone's got a cell
phone cameraet.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Well, when you think about it, we've had powered flight
for about one hundred and twenty one hundred and twenty
five years, and in that one hundred and twenty five years,
we're still in our infancy. We're still even now we're
researching stealth technology, measure materials to bend light. It's not
that hard to comprehend a society that's maybe just five

(49:03):
hundred years old older than we are, five hundred years
more advanced they could have mastered this technology way beyond
our wildest expectations. So when people say, oh, we'd have
seen them or tracked them, how.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
To track them?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Yeah, that's even you know. The people they are like,
there's no ghosts. I'm like, well, I mean, like, we
just don't have maybe the right technology yet to you know,
be able to see exactly what we need to see
to be like, yes, it's there. We have all kinds
of bits of evidence, but there's not like, you know,
just like a full on just here it is. You

(49:47):
can interact with it, you can summon it whenever you want,
you know, and maybe eventually we'll get to that point,
or maybe we won't.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
That's what I feel. I feel very lucky that the
ups that I've encountered been involved in the encounters with
I've been with witnesses. There were police officers.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Yes, yeah, it's always nice when someone sees it with you.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yes, yeah, it really is. And my very first encounter
was back in the late seventies. Yes, I am giving
my age away there. And in short, I was driving
over a country patch near Manchester, coming down through the
hills past a reservoir on my left, and I could
see this strange light and I thought, oh, it's an

(50:31):
aircraft going to Manchester Airport and there's someone with me
in the car, and he said, yeah, it's the same. Anyway,
we stopped the car and it wasn't. It was something
that was hovering. This light was over the reservoir. We
suddenly got a feeling that, you know what, we shouldn't
be here. So we got in the car started driving off.
This thing started following us. Oh wow, Oh yeah. It

(50:53):
got to the point we could see it in our
rear view mirror.

Speaker 6 (50:55):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I was I was losing them. I was, I was young.
I was like, oh god, we're going to be beamed up,
never be seen again.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:03):
And so I don't know why I thought it would
be the best thing to do at the time, but
I went to the police station in a place called
the Rising Sun, which is where the road splits near
Manchester to go into the Peak district or to go
off into maccle Street and Cheshire. It's where the sort
of counties separate. And I dashed into the police station
with Cliff and we knocked on the desk, come on,

(51:26):
come on out, come on out, and this old police
sergeant it's very accommodationd have you been drinking? No, we've
not been going to please, it's outside. Eventually humored as
he came to the door and he was absolutely amazed
because the thing was still there. So he pressed an
alarm bell and all these police officers come running out
and he said, what's going on anyway? He sent patrol

(51:48):
cars up to the golf club where this thing was
seemed to be hogging over and I was on the
steps of the police station with some other officers with Cliff,
this friend of mine who was with me. We saw
the thing go shooting straight up into the sky. Wow,
no explanation, no idea what it was at at least

(52:09):
eight police officers or maybe none.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
It's right there.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
And then another case at the back of the house
where I used to live in Cheshire backed onto a
place called mal Kopp which is a hill and on
the top of that hill is the Castle Ruin. And
one night I didn't witness this, but I witnessed the aftermath.
One night there a police officer lost time because someone
reported a UFO. A police officer was sent to investigate,

(52:37):
and he lost time because they hadn't heard from him
for about thirty minutes, so they sent another patrol car
after him, and he was like, I've just got it.
What are you doing here? Anyway? The day, I think
was the day or two after that, I was coming
out of my I had a gym in the garage
and I had to work out. Late in the evening,
about ten o'clock, I was locking up. They didn't walk

(52:59):
over to the house and I looked up in the
sky by just by chance, and I could see this
huge wall of light zooming across the sky. Yeah, it
has been doing seven hundred miles an hour, so you
know it's very fast. And it was followed by two
obviously military aircraft with after burners, and I can and
I can say about sunflight experience in jetplanes. So I've

(53:22):
got I've got. I've got an idea of what after
burners looked like, more than most. And I could tell
these things was storming on making a hell of a
racket chasing this thing. Turns out it was in the
paper as a big kerf offall and it was seen
by multiple radio stations with the Royal Air Force and
turned out to be a big deal. But you never
know what you're going to encounter.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Do you you never do?

Speaker 3 (53:45):
Was it a UFO? Do we know? Could have been
military stealth technology? Man, we don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
One of the most vivid experiences like that I had.
My mom and I were driving in the car, driving
back home, and I saw what I at first thought
was just a shoe shooting star where it was just
but as it started kind of you know, descending, it
started zigzagging. I was like, shooting stars don't do that.

(54:11):
And then I was like, maybe I'm just really tired.
I don't know. And I looked over at my mom
and I saw her face and I was like, oh,
you saw that too, Okay, okay, So my mom and
I saw, you know UFO at the time UAP now
together in the car where I was just like oh okay,
and then we just drop home and we really haven't
talked about it since then, but it was just like, oh, okay,

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you did see that too, all right? All right?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Now, validation, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
It is? Because I was just like, I'm just gonna
go home and go to bed. Maybe I'm just really tired.
And then as soon as I saw her face, I
was like, oh, okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
One of the most spectaculous cases that we encountered. In
twenty seventeen, a friend in Minnesota, Adrian Lease, rung me
up and said, look, do you guys want to come
on an investigation this weekend? So we'll go on Tempters.
It's the one hundredth anniversary of the Redwood Falls axe murder.
And I said, I've got you said, I've got permission

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from the State Museum to take the axe with us
to the graves of the victims and the alleged perpetrator
in the same cemetery. So we're there after dark holding
the murder weapon. Oh my gosh, this is fun. Anyway,

(55:30):
Adrian got. They deployed some very good equipment. You've got
a good I've got a good team of people. And
the information they got suggested that the person that they
that committed the murder, or allegedly committed with the murder
was the wrong person.

Speaker 4 (55:47):
So the person that that they thought did it was
the husband and that he killed his wife and his
four kids. But now they based on the evidence that
we got. But during that investigation, they think it was
two travelers that went through the area at the time,
and there was a number of murders murders that happened

(56:09):
where these people were for the trail of murder trail. Yeah,
so now they think it was maybe these two other
two guys that did it and not the husband.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
But that was the best part. Really. We were the
grave of the alleged perpetrator. Avian's team were deploying the equipment,
and we were just chatting as you do holding murder weapons,
and yeah, what the hell is so I still didn't anyway,

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I looked over Dadrian, it looked past him. What the
heck is that? It was a huge ball of light
heading in a horizontal plane.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
It's a red ball, red ball.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Of light across about two miles away.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
All our equipment with spiking.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Started making electrical recording the recording data. His team were
recording data, and the thing stops it vectors, It stops
it vectors again and then shoots off east northeast. The
equipment then stopped reacting and that was it. Things were
back to and there were six of us there.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Two are still standing there holding the murder weapon, just like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
The murder weapon failed into insignificance like that.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Yeah, it's just like I don't need that anymore.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Don't know what your graveies will come back for you
in a minute.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Just hold that good.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Then exactly exactly five minutes later, the yellow one, it
was an orange one.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Orange light, did the exact same thing.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Stopped in the same place, roughly made the same maneuvers,
went off, and exactly five minutes after that, a yellow.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
One and then a yellow one, and then the ovelis
came up at the same time the yellow one appeared
and said yellow. We were like, okay, with the rest
of the stuff spiking everything, we were like, what is
going on? That's so weird.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I think this is the first time I've ever heard
a story of someone while in a paranormal investigation seeing
a U A P. During that investigation, the.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
USP fell into significant Nah you'll be there, You're dead.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Oh my gosh, that is It was quite wild.

Speaker 3 (58:31):
It's funny. We performed as sales. Adian performed as sales,
and you've got pictures of on an SLS camera there's
some kind of stick figures next to us, and we're like, yeah.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Whatever, yeah whatever.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Yeah, that was fascinating. We were all interrogated separately. Yeah,
make sure the story, yeah corroborated well.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Having two government officials there or state officials that that's
that I did worked in the case because they were
equally perplexed. Yeah, and it's funny when you get relevant
e vps that, like I mentioned with that ovelus.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Yeah, yellow, do you have a quipment when you see it? Maybe?
So it was really interesting that we are that we actually.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Which also makes me wonder if that was one of
the spirits being like, yeah, I see it too, yellow.
They're also like I can't believe this either.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Exactly absolutely right, good perspective, like.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
They're interrupting my investigation right now, Hey.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
The here for me go away.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
Adrian was like, I'm just gonna put the laser grid down,
see if they'll come and see hi. And I was
like no, no, no, no, no, let's just be quiet. Don't
let them over here. I did not want to be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Thanks, Oh my gosh. Well we are right at the
top of the hour here, so that's perfect timing.

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Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Yeah, Well, thank you for your time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Thank you so much for your time and for all
of your amazing stories. And I'm glad we got to
talk about Project half Life and got to you know,
elaborate on that rather than you know, the two paragraphs.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah, that's yeah, I appreciate that very much. In fact,
that leads me on to our next project, Project half
Life is taking another step. Yes, I've just completed our
latest book called Quantum Paranormal, which looks at the paranormal
a whole range of paranormal phenomena through the lens of

(01:00:48):
quantum physics. The more research we did, the more it
led us to believe that virtually all paranormal phenomena is
allowed in some way theoretically through the world of quantum physics.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
So instead of deterministic physics going that's nonsense, what do
you mean now, all of a sudden, it's like the
other way around, many many aspects that allow for itself.
That's a new book and a new story, and we're
launching that very short certain, very soon, and I will
say that it's quite controversial in places.

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
Yes, well, I would love to have you back to
talk about that as well, because I'm also excited to
read it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
We'd love to be back and yes, maybe share some
more stories about how we came to all this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Ky, thank you so much for having us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, we're going to go ahead and sign off for
the night, So good night and good luck. No no

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no no no no