Strange Talk S4E23 Ep. 123 Midnight on the Airwaves (feat. Michael Midnight of the Witching Hour)

Alyx is joined by a very special guest — Mike Midnight from The Witching Hour (airing 2–3 AM Wednesdays on WAIF 88.3 FM in Cincinnati)! Together, they dive into Cincinnati’s rich and sometimes surprising history in radio, sharing stories of the city's vibrant broadcasting past. They also reflect on the wonderfully strange beast that is radio itself — from the odd, magical connections it creates to the bizarre and hilarious situations that come with hosting a paranormal show. Tune in for a conversation filled with local lore, behind-the-scenes chaos, and the kind of weirdness that could only happen on the airwaves after dark.

Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, It Came in the Night by A Raincoat, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
In good evening and welcome to the hour dedicated talking

(01:29):
about all things strange, weird and par normal. You're listening
to Strange Talk padcasting on sixteen sixty am, a norseat
ninety one point seven f m h G two WVXU
and Cincinnati. We're also streaming at radio artifact dot com
around the entire planet to earth. The intro track to
this episode and most of our episodes, is the Strange
Talk Intro by Star Silk. I'm your host, Alex and
we have a very special guest today. If you'd like

(01:50):
to introduce yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Hi, my name is Mike. I have a show called
The Witching Hour. It's on WAIF eighty eight point three
at them and since an Pattie. It's on Thursday mornings
from two to four am. You can listen traditionally on
your radio dial or you can get Away Radio dot
org and you can listen to it from anywhere in
the world exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
I I genuinely love that your show is so similar
to ours and like also on the radio because you,
I think you, of all people understand. Some people are like, oh,
it's a podcast. I'm like, no, it's it's still a
radio show. It's different. It's kind of the same but different.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Like early, it's live radio, so there's if you make
a mistake or we do have a seven second delay,
but if people get they're gonna say something up seeing
they're stupid, it's still gonna slip by unfortunately. Yeah, Or
if you like I sucking earlier, if you bring a
record in and it skips, you're gonna go to skip
the CEV is gonna skip.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
You're gonna hear, Yeah, you will hear that, you know
every noise.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, So you know, but that's live radio. Sometimes you're
just gonna deal with. I still like but I still
like bringing old school vinylins sometimes.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I love it, I know, bringing.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
In old cassettes sometimes. But I may start maybe doing
more digital stuff so that stuff doesn't happen because it's
kind of embarrassing that you got to sell on a CD.
Like I was saying earlier, it plays great in your
car allway. You bring it there and halfway you're maybe
getting something to drink and you're hearing and skip. You
got to come by and turn it often, So it

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doesn't happen often. But sometimes, you know, live radio just
kind of catches you by surprise.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Sometimes, and that's kind of the fun of it is, Well,
it's all live. What could go wrong, anything could go wrong.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Yeah, I've had the show now. It's been about five
bucks I started. My first show was November twenty ninth,
twenty twenty four, so.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
I'm almost at six months.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
And I try to have a different pair of normal
theme every week, Like you could be ghosts this week,
and even more specific it could be like hunting in
Connecticut could be the Anily go O Horror. Then the
next week it could be on Ouiji boards. The next
week it could be on the moth Man. Sometimes I
just don't have if I can't know, if I'm busy

(04:12):
at work that week, you know, I just may play music.
I try to play as much esoteric music as possible.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
I played mainstream from Kiss.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Motley, Crue, hac DC, the usual kind of band, the
Twin Temple, Satanic and King Diamond.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
I've played.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I do mostly it's not doin, not percent paranormal, but
sometimes just to kind of shake it up, I will
do true a true Pride team like I did Jim
Jones and a couple shows on that whole situation. Yeah,
people are free to call in. You know, I've had
some friends call in and talk about their ghost stories.
If anybody's listening, if they have a story on if

(04:52):
they thought they seen the UFO, or they thought they
see a big flip, they can call in and talk
about it too.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I think that's what I love the most about, you know,
having it B radio is the getting those callings, getting
those weird interactions.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You get some strange people calling in at three or
four in the morning.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, you got the true night shift there, Yeah, because you've.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Got either like people that work third shift, police officers,
correction off.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Are just people that are just up all night.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, some pretty odd people asking me a really odd question.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
To do with the paranormal.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Like they're just like, what sucks are you wearing right now?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Or what's my last name? Where do I work? And
it's like I had nothing to do with the show.
That's the fun is getting those types of strange people
that are listening to this little because it's a waves
of the community based radio station, it's very you know, they
kind of play stuff you're not going to hear in
the regular radio. They play like it's heavy moss, like

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really dark, black, heavy metal, Cajun music.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
They got one on Asian affairs.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
They've got shows on the gay and lesbian community, they've
got shows.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
On the blues. But it's mostly stuff you're not going
to hear on Top forty radio.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
People that are listening are kind of left the center anyway,
So if they're listening to a parentonormal show, you can
kind of imagine the phone calls I do get, especially
that time slot on a Wednesday night Thursday morning two
to four am, which sometimes they call.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, they ask stuff that they have nothing to do
with with the paranormal.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Like so I called and asked me how old I
was or where I worked. I like the calls because
they're bizarre, but yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
But it's also like, why do you want that information?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
God? Because I have an ailst I call myself Michael.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Mitt and this my pseudo now amazing, get too for
you know, get too personal as far as my personal information.
But some of the calls are kind of wacky, and
it's I grew up being an art Belgia game where
I was safe, got out of high school. I worked
a lot of third shift jobs, like doing like security

(07:07):
back in the nineties, late nineties early two thousands before
flip phones. I just brought a little rate transit to
radio in and would listen to me. Did have the
night go by? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Me?

Speaker 2 (07:18):
My parent normal show was like, that's kind of like,
even though I don't get paid, it's just a volunteer
or something I do for fun. Yeah, that's as closest
I can get to be like George Norwy or Art.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Yeah, no exactly. I mean, that's that's how we started
doing this show before we were on radio. Back when
Art Bell briefly came back on air to do Dark
Matter on Serious XM. Me and my buddy we were like, man,
I don't don't want to pay for Serious XM. We're like,
I bet we can stream it on the internet. So
we found a way to stream it on the internet

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at the time, and then we were like, what if
we did like a little pre show, And so we
started doing that for fun and did that for a
while until that went off the air. And then it
wasn't long long after that went off the air that
radio artifacts started up and they were looking for people
to do shows, and I was like, we've already been
doing this, you know, why not. So that's that's how
we ended up was directly that pathline of it. It

(08:14):
was our Bell's fault.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, And I think.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
That's everybody's kind of gateway drug into the paranormal back
in the nineties, before before like all the ghosting shows
came in in the early two thousands, before the Internet
really kicked in a lot of stuff paranormal wise, is
our Bell kind of I think everybody's kind of toes
what into that field. Yeah, yeah, and waste no different.

(08:44):
When you get on their your website, they'll say, hey,
do you have a show? You download a proposal, and
that's what I did. I've been listening to Wave off
and all for like thirty five years. There's always some
type of show just going to spark my interest. I said,
you know, I've always liked the paranormal, always liked the radio.
I can combine them. So yeah, again, even though it's
I don't get paid, it's just a volunteer radio station

(09:06):
like a public access and radio world.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah, that's that's pretty similar to how we we upright.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Yeah. So and WAFE gets tons of submissions. So the
first time, like I said, it is kind of daunting.
Did you have actually seen a CD or an MP three?
With your voice. You want to see how your voice sounds.
You gotta tell them about your show. Can you get
sponsors for your show? And you got to meet the committee.
And when I went to meet the committee, it was
people like, I'll tell them about Satanism and my show's

(09:37):
gonna have witchcraft this and looks like got you know
it's a very like two or three days later, I
got an email. No, they shot it down pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Who is this lunatic?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:49):
So because I'm sitting there and I was dressed.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
Normal, I don't.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
I don't have blue hair, I don't have tattoos.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
I have blue hair and tattoos, so no one was surprised.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I was like a straight lace during that meeting as possible.
I wore a polo shirt, I shaved my beard, I
had Khaki's on. I am talking about Anton Leabay, Gavin Frost,
the moth Man, and they just the way they were
looking at me, my head was on fire.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
They were like, does he have two or three heads
right now?

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah? And about three two three days later, I get
an email. Unfortunately they decided not to go with your show,
which I was disappointed in because the whole point of
the station with people with divergent points of view. Yeah,
and you can't get more divergent than the pair of normal.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
If you want the weird stuff, you gotta let the
weird stuff happen like Onyeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
But about six months later, I got a random email
from the director, Hey, man, I really like your show.
I pulled some strings and you got me on and
I've been off for almost six months now.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Yeah, no, that's great. I it was not as difficult
for us because our radio station obviously radio art effect
runs out of urban artifact, so being a brewery, they
were way more cool with it being just weird. Also,

(11:13):
it was pirate radio at first, so we got away
with being a lot more weird at first. And I wouldn't.
We've toned it back maybe a little bit. We've polished
the weird. I'll say, we've polished the weird.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
And I think that's one of the reasons they put
me on. Yeah, you're kind of way out. That's a
true hour. Though the show is called the Witching Hour.
That's pretty much the hours. I'm about this deep and
deep center food as you can get for a radio showtime.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Oh absolutely. I think our first time slot was like
eleven PM something like that. We requested that though we
wanted like kind of as late as night as they
would let us into the studio because I think sort
of our early morning hours, I think think is all automated.
But at least as far as I know, I haven't
been actually up to the actual station in a while.

(12:06):
Now I should. I should stop up there soon.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
But yeah, that ironic part is the show that follows
me is a gospel show. Yeah, you're you're going.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Anti lebas to a gospel station right after me.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
So it's, uh, you listen to all the double music
and now you got to get it out of you.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yeah, so it's uh, yes, so it definitely does. The
station does play just about any any of center topic
you can think of, which is at the whole point
of that type the community radio is to have something
you're not going to hear on Top forty exactly.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
All the fun, weird stuff, all the good local stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, and radio is kind of dying out, like when
I was, you know, growing up, there was no podcasts.
Radio was so strong back then, I mean AM and FL. Yeah, Yeah,
it's kind of a I mean, there's a pretty there's
a station in New Jersey. That's community that's really out there,
even more extreme than Wave.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
I forgot the name of IF.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
They're a great radio station, but they're starting with podcasts
and yeah, you're starting to have you know, the radio
is kind of dying out. I hope, I hope it
makes a resurgence because I've always loved the radio anytime
I kind of.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Think it is. Honestly, like I kind of already think
it is making a bit of a resurgence.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, I hope so, because, like I was saying, when
I was a kid, I used to love getting on
Ham Radio on the weekends at two in the morning.
And I'm in Cincinnati, but I'm picking up Chicago, Dallas, Michigan.
And I've always unders been even with CBE radios. My
mom and dad would have a CBE radio in the
car to play around on it. Anything with the radio
waves as always just hand radios. I've always that's one

(13:47):
of the one goal I want is to get a
hand radio license. Maybe the anonymity to it is what
appeels to me, yes, because nobody does look like you're
kind of a shadow yourself.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Well, it's like it's it's literally getting to dive into
the unknown through the airwaves and that's super fun.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yeah, and the being with wave because if you get
on the internet, you could be in Australia and listen
to listen to my show. You can be in Canada.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's all over the world. Like I would say, some DJs.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
From other shows would tell me, yeah, somebody called me
from Toronto, you know, we're just a little station in Cincinnati.
Or somebody called me from North Carolina today, or somebody
called me from San Bernardino, California. So that's the good
thing I have in the stream online is that you know,
somebody could just be playing on the radio one night
just happen.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
To listen to your station.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, exactly, that's that's Oh man, did you did you
ever watch that old sitcom w KRP in Cincinnati. Oh yeah,
the theme song when he's talking about up and down
the dial, Like, I don't know, there's something really just
true about that. Like you can just you can just
cruise through all the different dial stations until you find

(15:03):
something that lands. Hopefully it's not as.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Hopefully it's not as Yes, when I was a teenager
Saturday night, two or three in the morning and my
buddy are up watch Headbangers Ball on MTV is off.
We're just flipping through the radio and we just happened
to hear somebody some kind of really obscure heavy metal
and I was like, man, you don't hear this on
the more mainstream radio stations. And there is waif this is.

(15:32):
I forgot what the show's name was, but it was
was heavy metal. And I tell you found out about
the radio. The radio stations that I'm on now, I
found them thirty five years ago. Yeah, just playing on,
playing with the dial when night and just found the station.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Yeah, same thing with Art Bell.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
You know, one night I'm.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
At work, I'm ja happened to get the right thing.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, something about Bigfoot, like bigfoot and yeah, back in
like ninety three, ninety four, ninety five, you didn't know
what Art Beell looked like.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
No, no, yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Guy's voice somewhere in the Rockies and he's talking about
you know EVPs. I said, what's the VP? And then
you're hearing these ghost voices. So yeah, so yeah, that's
what I always liked about the radio. I would you
definitely do. You just never know what you're gonna get
on the radio.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Back then, exactly and someway upon that was like truly magical.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah, yeah, because you found something kind of cool and obscure.
It's like, you know, it's like discovering some like punk
band that nobody's ever heard of. You know. It's kind
of kind of like that too, you know, to find
something that's kind of off the beaten path. So I
would get cassettes, put them in the stereo and record
any kind of weird radio show if you could call in,

(16:46):
I would call in, and because I love hearing my
voice on the radio and you request the song, Like
back then, you'll call those oldie shows and ask for
some old song just to hear my voice on the radio.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, that's it's so funny to me because like I
definitely was like too nervous to ever call in back then,
and now I'm just like whatever, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah. That's what I like about my show. I can
combine the radio and the Pair of Normal, two things
I really like. Yeah, because my original goal with the
Pair Norm was to write a book. Yeah, it seems
like everybody or brother has written a book now. Yeah,
it's really topic to write about. Like, Yeah, in late nineties,
I would go to bookstores.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
I would I would just look at the cover. Somebody
would go to a record.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Store and look at the cover of a band and
just decide to buy the record and take a chance.
I would look at a book Agyptian Magic. Okay, six dollars,
I'm gonna buy it. Yeah, may or not, maybe good,
may not, but six seven.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Dollars, I'll gamble it, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
That's what That's what bookstores are really popular. Back in
the day where people still went to bookstores, and Cincinnati
still had a mix of mainstream bookstores, little mom and
pops bookstores, And that was my original goal was to
have a book on the pair of normal. But that's
right before the explosion of the ghost Hunter shows. And

(18:10):
like I said, with the Frogman Festival, it's become a
lot more mainstream than it was in the early nineties
or early two thousands when I wanted to write a book,
because every topic I could think of, like I used
to be a correction officer, I'll write a book hunted jails.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Write fifteen books off hunted jails.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Every kind of topic I thought about, there's ten fifteen
books on it.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
I mean, I'm just saying, though we could always use
more books about that.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, and I still actually had that in the back
of my mind to to maybe write a book. So
but as far as now, since my radio show is
I can combining both interests radio and the pair of
normal exact and kind of combine it in one thing.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Yeah, Yeah, I radio especially just seems I don't know,
spookier to me. I mean something about you know, your
voice is being flung through the airwaves, it's going through buildings,
through people. It's your voice is basically like a ghost
going through walls exactly.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
And I'm at the station alone different, Yeah, somebody there,
like I get there about one thirty set up. There
is a DJ got his own show, leaves. Yeah. The
other DJ comes in about three forty five, So about
an hour and a half you're totally alone talking about
ghosts by yourself in a radio station. There's no other
staff there. You're completely by yourself, like two am to

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about three forty five AM.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
And then you start hearing like the door creak open.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Because it's not it's not in the safest neighborhood with
my radio, you know, somebody you'll see somebody randomly walking
if you come up like the little cat walk you
can actually see the DJ talk and this tre there
you can actually see the person with the headphones on talking.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
But it's a pretty secure ability.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
But yeah, and and like I said, the weather's been
horrible in Cincinnati, so there are times I've driven.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
I've driven when we had the band snow, I drive.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
What we had last week two weeks ago, there was
fun warnings.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
Yeah, tornadoes.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
That kind of.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Adds to it.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
When you got the thunder and lightning or outside we
can see the video cameras and the parking lot and stuff,
but you had to be by yourself and like you know,
Thursday morning for two hours that late at night talking
about Satanism and definitely, you know, you don't know what
you're conjuring up there being alone.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
And talking about the topics.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
So it is kind of like spooky because you're profecially
now that it's it's on the internet, and you know
right now somebody you know in Florid, it could just
happen to just like you said, this do dot you know,
just be bored when I flipped them through it and.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
You catch my show.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, no, exactly. Uh, that's that's funny that you say
that too. So radio artifact is out of an old church,
and so where the audio booth is. Part of why
I stopped recording there is because we had what we
called grimlins and like the doors would just like fly

(21:18):
open all the time by themselves and stuff. So we
are pretty sure that that building is haunted. And I'm like,
that's great, but I don't want you to haunt me
while I'm actively recording and trying to talk to someone.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, if you want your attention to wait a half
hour before after half hour after the show.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah, ghosts, come talk to me when I'm alone recording,
not when I've got a guest here. And then you're
like just knocking microphones over and stuff like come on,
don't be rude, ghosts.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
And you've got FCC rules. At every hour, you got
to announce the station. And here we have to do
what they call it two PSA's and a promo.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
So we'll do a promo of a show, like hey, if.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
You I'll pick out any discoders, just go Dave and
we'll talk about their show. Yeah, we do two p
s as, So we gotta do we gotta do that
the top of the hour because that's FCC regulations, and
you do have to make sure nobody drops the F bomb,
you know, in the FCC show, So you also got
to be really conscious of to that too when you're
on the Radiant Live. That's like I said, even with

(22:21):
our delay, people can still slip in stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Oh yeah, oh yeah. That is the main reason I
decided to pre record is it's just way too easy
to get past that.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Yeah, and that and I do take a risk of
having people a strangers call in by show because I
don't know who he's calling in.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
You know, I think would you being like that that
two am slot, would you fall under the safe harbor hours?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
They told me that, they said do it at your
own risk.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's kind of yeah, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
What that's what they told me during training. Yeah, that
two to four is kind of that gray area that
if some I've seen material does make it.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Through, it's not as big of a deal.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You may not.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, taking the risks regardless, it's gonna be less of.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
A it'll be less of a consequence of somebody dig
it on the air and city F word. Somebody's just
got showing at two pm. So they said, just do
it at your base. I was told do it at
your own risk.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Listen, good luck.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
So, but I try to have friends calling. Like I said,
a friend of mine who's really big in the ghost study.
She's her and her sister. They go to like the Waverley,
the Mansfield Prison. Yeah, they got all the.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Equipment you could think of. And she she came on
a couple of.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Weeks ago for about an hour, talked about you know
a lot of places that she investigated throughout like Cincinnati
and just outside of Cincinnati. Yeah, that was pretty cool because,
like I said, a lot of people would tell me, Hi, man,
I got a big food story. I'll give you a call.
You know, I got to go to work the next day.
I'll set my along plot, give you a call.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
Never hear from him.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Yeah, yep, so you know those hours. I've had some
ghost honey clubs. I'd love to come on your show.
It's two to four am. You never hear from him again.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I mean that's like prime ghost hunting time though too.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, you would think you would think that would entice them.
It's likely you're doing it every week. It's kind of
a one and done thing. You know, you could sacrifice
a little sleep. Yeah, but you know, but does it?

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:35):
You know, what time is it?

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Thursday?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
More? Two to four am? And all of a sudden,
you just never hear nothing back beside you. When I
reached out to you, you did, But even a couple
of people at that fraud Bam festival told me didn't
want to come on the show. But when I told
the hours, I never heard nothing back from Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
I'm not gonna mention any names that incriminated guilty.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
So I mean, I guess this isn't on your show.
So if you want to call him out, here would
be the.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Yeah. Yeah, it was a guy.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Uh it was guy Michael Thompson. I think that was
his name. He had a booth dare like you guys.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Did oh yeah, he's he's an author.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah, And he was like, yeah, I love to be
on your show. He did an email correspondence and he
was like, Okay, what time is it two to a
Thursday morning? It's gonna writes me back. Well, am I
doing any shows?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Now?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I said, you literally just told me he want no.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Four hours ago.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
I said, you know, I understand it's not the best
hours man, Just say you don't want to do it
to go to the hours to give you a real
genieric what am I doing? Really like he's in some
demand a New York Times best selling author. So that
really that kind of got on my nerves because if
you don't want to do it because of the hours,
I get it. A lot of my friends told me,

(25:50):
I love to call your show, but I just you know,
with work, I can't really afford to get.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Up the middle of the night and go to work.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
I kind of get that, But to tell me what
to do it when I tell you the hours to
kind of flake out on me with the world generic
I'm not doing like you're such in the man, like
give me a break. And just three hours before that
you told me you're all regularly and ready to do it, you.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
All the stuff to talk about.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah, I gotta tell you the hours. You actually tell
me I got doing radio shows now like I'm Alima
or something. So that that was really never really turned
me off. I wish I could have got There was
one person there at the booth. I only want to
buy her book. I forgot her game. But she wrote
a book. It had the moth Man kind of with
the there's a book on Andrew Cole and what Woodrow

(26:36):
de Burger they got sitting there in some connection to
the moth Man, and I went there.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Her book was sold out.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
No, I forgot I forgot her name, but she had
a booth there to super nice lady.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
I'm trying to think that that was because I took
pictures of everyone there, so I would be like, I
know who I talked to.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Yeah, and she I forgot her name, But man, I
think just going to order that book. I went there
to buy that book too. I was disappointed because I
just went on Sunday. I didn't go on Saturday, gotcha. Yeah,
I just went on Sunday and I got to be
jail because I've met Jeff walms with fifteen sixteen years
ago when I went to Point Pleasant. But he was
pretty he was pretty cool. He talked here about fifteen

(27:19):
minutes of the booth, autographed the book I bought, and
then sitting you know, and had his uh you know,
I guess the auditorium when he had his I guess presentation.

Speaker 3 (27:29):
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, that's super cool.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yeah. Like I said, I went to the I went
to Point Pleasure.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
I've never been to the festival because even going to
the fall BAF Festival.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
It was packed, but I get social anxiety at times.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
And going down there, I heard here so many people there.
I just so I went, just went randomly. In two
thousand and six and as a friend of mine, his son,
my brother and we went to the maf nam Useum.
This is when Jeff Walmsley was still there going the
day to day operations. Yeah, and then we went to
the hair of Steakhouse. I know the hair of Steakhouse

(28:03):
is closed. And then we went to the TFT area
and I remember getting a couple of rocks and take
them home. Yeah. Went there the next year with my
little brother, me and him when we spent the night,
this time at the Low Hotel, which they say is holidays.
I actually bought a book they had a books for
sale the lobby at that time, back in two thousand
and wrote a book on the loads and all the halidays.

(28:25):
I didn't I didn't experience anything. But that's the thing
that people don't understand. Just because you don't experience something,
it doesn't mean the place isn't harmony. Right. That's what
I never said about these ghost hunting shows. A go somewhere,
they're there for maybe two days. Well we didn't. We
didn't see anything. And the light that you said you've seen,
we've seen that light reflected from cars like they like

(28:47):
they just wrapped it up like it's done. It's yeah,
it's yeah, it's it's done. And uh so, but you
could someone, you could go there. I could go there
a hundred times. Ever seen anything. You get there one
night and you see an apparition here fifteen EVPs. It's
just luck of the draw. Yeah, spirits are attracted to

(29:08):
different things. Maybe the energy you're bringing it's to at
least of the spirits. They don't want to deal with you.
And somebody, like I said, comes in one time and
has all these sightings and it's just there's so many
things that that it's involved.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
That you just never know. But to go to a
house and just uh.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah, we were here for an hour, you know, we
were here for five six hours. We didn't see anything.
It's not it or are we debunked your avidant today?
I understand a lot of those shows aren't real, a
lot of that's scripted as hell, So I get that.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
I mean, but yes, there's no way those ghost hunters
get lucky on every single investigation.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
You know. No, No, I mean I'm fifty years old.
I've been interested in the paranormal. Like I said, my
kid's birthday with my birthday money up on a Weedi board. Yeah,
I've always had an interest, but I've only had a
handful of situations that may not even be paranormal, but
I think they are. Yeah, you're right. So you you've

(30:07):
got to show on whatever channel and every place you
go to somebody pushed you, an unseen entity pushed you.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Are you there?

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Fifteen EVPs and I'm fifty and I've had a handful
of experiences that may not even being paranormal, but I
think they are. But you're having situations every every episode.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, exactly, I.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Guess I do, and I think to a certain extent,
some people, I guess are more open than the paranormal
than others.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Sometimes it's just luck, it's just luck. I mean, you've
made your old house that's haunted, and the first time
you've been there you may experience something. Yeah, And like
I said, another person's been there one hundred times, ever
seen anything. Yeah, A lot of it could be this luck.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Of the drag that timing. You may have went if.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
A spirit died on April fourteen, you don't know that
you go on Agril fourteenth and you see something, yo.
But but you're right, these shows that see something every
every week is absurd.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah, there's just no way. I mean, that's why I
kind of understand h Zach Biggins his approach to being like,
I'll fight you ghost. I mean, I guess if you
really want to see a ghost, you might as well
antagonize it. But it just also seems like a very
bad idea.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Well, and I used to love the original ghost others
with Pats Team. Yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm not
putting brand or Jason down, but the end of the day,
the plumbers not scientists. Yeah, you know, so I not
that you not that you have to be a scientist
that know about ghosts or anything.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
But I'd rather have somebody that knows or really.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
About electro man feels and radiation that's actually trained in that,
not you know, some somebody knows very superficial information on
it because they always try to debunk it or it
almost worked. I'd snide and and arrogant telling people, well,
you know these sounds you think you're hearing it's just
a flooding. Yeah, well are the are the lights that

(32:10):
you see what we looked at and it's you're off
the highway, so you're seeing like lights in the expressway
and they were Yeah, they didn't really antagonize it like
Zach does, but they were so like they always went
in there trying to be bunking. So you already got
that in your mind. And where you're going is not
hunted anyway, like just extreme to the other, where one
there's ghosts around every corner and the other extreme there's

(32:32):
no ghost at all. Like kind of being in the middle,
like kind of an open mind. It may be we'll
find out to the best of our knowledge or ability.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Yeah, So after a while, I just quit.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I just quit watching all those shows they first came out.
I was addicted to them because you never seen that before. Yeah,
and you would see like on like the History Channel
they would do a doctor of some some castle that
was haunting eighteen hundreds that's the most you've seen back then.
So when these ghost shows came out, yeah, they were entertaining,

(33:04):
but then they got so over the top you just
didn't and every cable channel started to handle a ghosts
on the show because they're pulling in the ratings that
they just oversaturated the market where you said went to
why you just got burnt out?

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think kind of early twenty
tens was the peak of all of that, right when
all the other paranormal stuff was popping off.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, two thousand and four, two thousand and five is well.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
I remember watching like the I think that's when that
goes with the tow it taps. I think that's when
they first came out on the Sci Fi Channel and
I ride with DVR and every Wednesday night i'd worked
their shifts, had to watch it when I got home.
But you're right, because that show was because I don't
think they expected it to be as popular as it was.
Well with other TV you know, channel see, well this

(33:53):
is just as popular. They're gonna get their own ghost
hunting show. Then they're going you know, and yeah, and yeah,
it kind of peaked twenty twelve, twenty thirteen or everywhere.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
You have paranormal State.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You had all these different shows and then you got
corny or and corny or every new show. Yeah, Like
I remember they hit a show I.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Think it was called Hillbilly Ghost hunters.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
They had like these guys and yeah, these guys like
in the woods. They weren't even hunting houses.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
They were like an just in the woods. Yep, that
is exactly what it was called fifteen Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah, and they had a guy that acted like a
real real tough guy. He was head of security. It's
like a munist ghost Ruberta have a little talk like
ghost like. He was acting like he was like some
kind of ninja and green Berets.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
A ghosts in the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
So it just got so cheesy that I just quit watching.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
All of it.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Yeah yeah, I mean, well, I guess the problem was
the competition just got too much, you know.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta get you gotta out and do
the next.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Man, yeah, which means you gotta get more and more ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah. So if this this particular show is showing people
get pushed by an unseen force, we got to you know,
even go further.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
They're getting like a broken arm or something.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
So this got so yeah, just got you know, just
every time there's something that brings popularity and it's gonna
get oversaturated. That could be music to you mean, like
I remember when grunge came out with their Vona and
Pearl jam it was tool'tly hear nothing like that at
the time. But then since it got popular, every band
came out sounded like your Vonda and Pearl jams. You

(35:41):
just got sick of listening to it. Yeah, And that's
kind of how these ghost hunting shows came out. There
were so many of them that you just just got
sick of the sick of the subject. It was, so
it went from being kind of obscure that being so mainstream.
It's like, I mean, like spaghetti, but I don't want
to eat it seven days.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
A week, right exactly some of the some of.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
This ghost honey Stuff guide.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
I kind of drifted away from a paranormal for about
four or five years because I was so burned out
on it, you know. Then I kind of got back
into it a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
Yeah, because it went.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Like I said, when I was a kid, I'd buy
books on witchcraft and my mom and dad thought I
was nuts.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, just whatever you could find go to.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
You go to a mall. Ten fifteen years later, nurse
fourteen year old girls to tell you they're wickens.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
It went from so one extreme to the other.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Where. Back late eighties, early nineties, if you told somebody
I like witchcraft or I'm interested in Satanism or uf Bo's,
they looked at your sideways to where you got like
mall rats telling you.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
That they can cast spells on you. You know, it went
from when.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I just never thought the paranormal would get as mainstream
as it did.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, it really just I I can't pinpoint exactly what
caused it. I mean, Mothman was a big part of it.
The ghost hunting shows was a big part of it.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
And the movie was great. I really did like the movie,
the Mothman movie. Yeah, obviously it was loosely based on
John Keel's book, but I thought Richard Gere.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Was great in that movie.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
And I thought it was a spooky movie. But like
I said earlier, I remember reading the mall Fame prophecies
that a friend got it and let me borrow it.
And this is back in nineteen ninety nine, three or two,
for years before the Mothman movie came out. Yeah, and
that movie came out. Yeah, And you're right, the Mothman
went from like unless you were in the John Keel
or his books, you really didn't really hear about it,

(37:38):
but that movie really Yeah, the Mothman. Like I think
Jeff Walmsley said that one of those festivals there was
ten thousand people there.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Mm hmm, I think Point Let's see that was last
year or the year before something like that. Mothmaan festival
only gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Yeah, And I've been to Point Pleasant, never at the
like I said, never at the festival a big big town.
It's not a big city.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
It's very very many people.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yes, and they had that many people there. But if
you went like when I went, if I'm sure if
you went to Point Pleasant nineteen ninety seven, you could
be nobody down there.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
So the first time I went was in twenty seventeen,
and you could lay down in the middle of the
main road and not have to worry about getting hit
by a car.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yeah, next out it was I went in two thousand
and six. We went to the Mothman Museum. Jeff was
a super nice guy.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Yeah, and then we went.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
To the hair of Steakhouse.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
That was it. There was nothing else to do.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, so we yeah, the T and T area.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Took some pictures and went home. I went back the
next year, went.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
To the Low Tell Me and my brother stayed up
all night trying to find something, trying to hear something,
didn't hear anything. They had to drive home in like
two hours of sleep. Yeah, packed up the Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeap, that is exactly what I did. I think we
stopped by Huntington on the way back just to see
what fun stuff we could find there.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
But we stopped. We stopped at the Indian or Serpent Mountains.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Said oh, yeah, are super cool.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah, when we stopped there, and then the way back,
and I was gonna get like I said, this year,
I was gonna go back down there because the Boston
Museum does tours. Now you'll get on the van and
they'll take you there to the T and T area.
But then I seen the frog Manfesta was at a
record store. They had like a little flyer. I said, well,
that's thirty minutes for me compared to three and a

(39:27):
half hours. So I went to the frog Baifestival instead. Yeah,
and I was surprised how packed it was. I didn't
expect to see that people and to see, like I
was saying, thirteen fourteen year old kids with their moms
and dads all into the like that. Yeah, but when I,
like I said, when I was thirteen or fourteen, I
mentioned anything, yes, ared my mom and dad thought I

(39:49):
had a middle illness. It's kind of cool to see
that acceptance now. Yeah, back then you were just looked
as a total freak.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah. This is the first year as a two day
festival too, so it was really cool. Uh Sunday wasn't
quite as busy as Saturday. Saturday it got overwhelming at points.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, I didn't I didn't know. On Saturday. I knew
I could only go to one with my budget, didn't
want to buy some stuff. And when I seen that
Jeff Walmsley was going to be there on Sunday, that's when.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I went, Yeah, you made you made a good call.
I think Sunday was still packed, but not as packed
it was. It was calmer. It was fun both days though.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, I was, like I said, I was surprised to
see that many boosts there. I see you you had
people that radio stations, podcast authors, there was a lot
of people that were selling books there, that wrote books,
and uh they had a little tiny food court. So yeah,
it was it was a you know, it was a
lot bigger than I thought it was going to be.
I thought you'd have a handful of people there. I

(40:53):
wouldn't expect in that big of everyone like the frog made.
I did hear bits of Peace is about, but not much,
so I wouldn't expect it a whole lot. But it
was a paranormal festival, you know. That was close to me.
So I went to it, you know, right exactly like
I said, shocked because I remember reading about the problem.

(41:14):
But during the whole lot of green it was just
a couple of sightings I think, so it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, there were there was some old sightings back in
the fifties, and then the the main sightings that most
people talk about are the settings in the eighties that
a couple of cops saw it and then they got
made fun of a whole bunch. So then they went, oh, no,
it was an iguana and we shot it.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
Yeah, that was I was missing the tail or something.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, And you said about the mock man. They brought
like some type of animal expert in and he just
said it was a sand hill crane. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
I think it was paranormal, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean, everybody's always looking for an explanation, and it's
always a weather balloon or bears, or a sand hill
crane or a tail tail is iguana, who knows giant?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Yeah, yeah, it's never nothing in paranormal. Yeah, it's always
you know, you always misidentified it, you know, but I mean, sure,
yeah you could. I mean I've seen in Kentucky. I
used to work with this voice down in Berlinton, Kentucky,
and I've seen some of those turkey vultures. It looked
like they could lift a kid up. We had this

(42:22):
voice that was deep down in Berlin to said the
kids wouldn't run, put them down in this like kind
of kind of middle of nowhere. And I came out
on the porch one morning, i'sed to work third shift,
and I've seen this turkey vulture.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Look it looked like if they could take a little
kid to fly off of it. So yeah, I'm short
that you could. If you're in a.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Wood point time and you see something that big, you
don't know what it is, and yeah, you could misidentify anything. Yeah,
That's why I always try to stay in the middle.
I think when it comes to the paranorma, you have
a lot of times two extremes.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Like there's people that don't believe.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
In any of it.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
It's all crap, it's.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
All made up. But then you've got people I called
true believers. If they hear a creak in their apartment,
it's the devil. Yes, you get And I try to
be in the middle. I do out there, but I
don't know for sure. The experiences I've had, I think
they're paranormal, but I'm not one hundred percent right. Well,
I'm also I try to be objective.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
I'm open it to it being something, and I'm also
open to me just having no idea what's going on.
Like I would say, yeah, skeptical believer of I believe
there's something. Do I know what it is?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
No?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Did I maybe misunderstand the situation totally? Who knows?

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (43:33):
But like, uh, I got a cousin. She thinks everything's haunted. Yes, haunted.
Every everything is haunted. She hears something, I heard somebody
whispering one night. You know, it's everything. She has no
objective ability at all. It's everything's a ghost.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
Then my dad was a total atheist. You're dead, You're dead.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yeah, there's no ghosts, there's no devil, there's no witchcraft.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
There's nothing that exists.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah, yes, so I try to. I consider myself to
be in the middle.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Yeah, that's that's that's where I'm at. And I think
that's kind of like the most I don't know rational
place to be at, because I mean, you can't explain everything.
I mean yet. I mean maybe we'll get there one day,
but as of right now, we can't explain everything. So
you gotta leave room for the paranormal.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
The only experience that I've ever had where I have
absolutely no explanation for is when I still lived at
home with my parents. My brother was quite younger than me,
and when he was seven or eight, he loved to
jump up and down on my mom's mattress, and that
makes it very distinct the sound. Yes, So I was
at home alone, and my mom and dad and my
little brother came back to the grocery store, and my

(44:44):
brother would love to run upstairs and start jumping up
and down the bed while we're putting groceries on. So
my mom, I think I bought some burger king for dinner.
We could hear my brother up and down, jumping up
and down on the mattress. My mother go get your
brother tell me go off my bed and come down
to heat. Yeah upstairs, good or a bedroom. There's nobody
in there. So I'm walking back down the steps to

(45:05):
get to the living room. He's coming through the front door.
There's obviously no way that was him.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Yeah at all.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Enough the steps.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Yeah, because I was walking up the steps into my
mouth is better and I could hear them jumping. You
can hear like jumping up and down on that mattress.
So there's no And then when I came back down
the steps, he's coming through the front door. There's it
wasn't hill. So some something was making that sad. That's
a and I'm fifty and that's the only thing in
my entire life. It's somebody who does really into the

(45:34):
parent normal that I have no explanation.

Speaker 1 (45:37):
Yeah, no, exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
There's the people, like I said, that have a paranormal
experience every other day.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yeah. Yeah, and that's why I like, I don't know
that those people draw things in or if they're just
too willing to believe that anything's paranormal. I don't know.
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, and you could be a little bit of both,
your right. I think some people are more sustain the
ble to to paranormal entities interacting with them, and some
people are.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
Just paranoid or they are they going to be special.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Actually they get a special gift. So I think it's
a little bit of both. I do believe, like you said,
I do believe that there are people that are hunted.
You know, Like, like I see a great movie. It's
like twenty years ago. It's on a Sundance channel. I
don't know the name of it, and you just see
this woman walking around and you see this guy following
her all through some foreign movie. The guys following her

(46:32):
all through the movie. You think he's an a raper killer.
Finally she turns around and says, leave me alone, and
they do a flashback. This was like these people were engaged.
Was like a man and a woman that were engaged.
They get into an argument, she goes and gets into
a cab. The cab, the cab crashes, a woman dies,
so she's a ghost. He's living, but he's haunted the living.

(46:54):
That was one of the coolest movies I've ever seen.
I can just never find a name to it now.
Nicole Kimmen did a movie like that, I think called
the others similar, but this movie I thought was a
lot better because you know, you see this guy following
her all around and he was haunting the ghost. I
really kind of flipped the script totally and always so,

(47:14):
I think I think some people can do it. I
think some people can't, maybe haunt ghosts of the other
way around her. Yeah, but I think it's feeling far between,
and I think the people that talk about it all
the time are probably the ones that aren't being very honest.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, probably not. I mean, it can't be haunted all
of the time.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
No, it would be.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Fun if it was.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yeah, But I do, like I said, I try to,
I said, I guess I just try to stay in
the middle. I definitely if I didn't have an interest
in it, I wouldn't or think it's real. I wouldn't
be even having a show on the pair of Normals.
I do think there is something to it, right exactly,
you know, I don't, But I don't think I don't
have any definitive proof it is.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yeah. I mean, I guess that's the whole thing is
it's it's searching for the truth, you know, wherever that
may be or whether that is there is a natural
cause or a supernatural cause.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, and I definitely believe that there are are supernatural
causes out there, but you just have to be subjective
about it. And that's the only thing. I love you
listening to EVPs. But when they tell you hey, just
says hey, Joe, you're already mentally prepared for it to say.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
A Joe, right exactly. I don't like people telling me
what they think an EVP says before I listen to it,
because I'm like, let me see what I hear. I
feel like I am the most annoying person when it
comes to people who are like, oh, let me, let me,
let me show you this orb, this orb that I
got a picture of, and like I was telling you
before we started, according like my degrees in film. So

(48:55):
I look at that and I'm like, that is a
smudge on your lens That is hair or a bug
or something like I know exactly what it is when
I see that stuff that's a lenslair. I can tell
when it is actually something versus like whether it's possible
or it's just that is dirt in your lens. And
I feel like I feel so bad when I'm like, no,
that's nothing.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
That's a bit of my technology now because if you
get on YouTube and you'll see some of these ghost videos,
some of them are convincing.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
More than likely they're they're doctored.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Up in some form.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
I think for and I'm sure they'd could be a
handful of real videos that are.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Paranormal that probably got written on YouTube channels.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
But then there's a lot of them are fake.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Like they'll have like a shoe move and somebody just
got like a.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Fish line, yeah, or somebody threw it off screen or
whatever it is.

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Yeah, like, uh, some of them are some of them
are pretty scary, like and some of them, I think
some of the scarier videos when you have these like
these solo campers.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
We're going out in the middle of nowhere and there's
some dude that comes up to me. Yeah, you know,
you're out in the middle of Tennessee camping somewhere and
there's just some strange man. But then again that could
be your brother, and yeah, you know, that's that's a
bad thing about social media now.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
You just never know what to believe.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, even these.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Painting videos, when these guys are going around like pointskes
pants down in a mall. A lot of times it's
their friends, it's not even a stranger. Yeah, it's a
bad thing that's been about if.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
You're trying to do any kind of paranormal research on
the internet.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
So a lot of these videos are so fake. That's
the bad thing about doing any internet research. And some
of them are getting really good at vacant too, where
it looks up real.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Yeah, so that that is the plus side is that's
where I can be like, yeah, no, I can tell
that that was you know, CGI or AI or whatever,
and yeah, and if you're trained in film, you're gonna
you see it immediately. But I it just makes me
feel bad when people are like so excited to show
me this. I'm like, that is so not real. I'm
so sorry.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah. Yeah, because a lot of.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Those wars you have, they'll say it's like dust, pollen
or fly or.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So many or lens slayers, like there's it's so many
different causes, and I just I feel so bad when
people show me those or I'm like, I'm so sorry.
I know that that's not real, but you can totally
keep believing it's real and that's fine too, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Because yeah, I think the spookiest thing I've seen lately,
and it is the Chris Wats case when the police
were in there searching and they picked up some e vps.
Now that whether those are real or not, I don't know.
They sounded really scary. Yeah that on YouTube or not,
or like you can hear somebody go that this is

(51:37):
our home, you know, and they were talking. You know
that that was pretty spooky. Whether it's real or not,
I mean, I have no idea, Yeah, but that was
because of what happened in that house. You're already kind
of predetermined and something's going to be spooky in Yeah,
but I just remember seeing that, and so the way
the police kind of even kind of freaked out and stuff.
Whether they walk, but consider what happened to that house,

(51:59):
you see why you had those feelings. Then absolutely, But
that's probably the one of the spookiest things I've seen lately.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
And again is it true?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Who knows?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Who knows? Yeah, that that's one of those where you
have decided whether you want to believe or not. I
think yeah, And I'm I think I'm always of the
mind I want to believe until I'm showing evidence to
the contrary.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, they are, because I think if you're in the
EVPs that you know, you would think somebody would have
went to like maybe like the World Trade Center or
Columbine where there was tragedy, but you don't really see,
you know what this kind of EVPs and it's probably
any respect to what happened that there's it could be.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, because I'm thinking about it and I'm like, I've
never thought to even look that up because why would
someone do that?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
But because you would think if you're going to go
to some place that's hanted, I mean, something that's that
tragic of both of those places, if there's gonnay earth
down spirits, something that happened so fast, unexpected, but maybe
because of the respect of those places, they just don't
want to go that route.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
That for some reason, that just reminded me. Did you
hear back of the day the woman who claimed that
she was married to Michael Jackson's ghost.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah, I did that.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
Just when you said of like, you know, being respectful
of things, I was like, oh, yeah, that that was
one of those that I was like, Oh, that's just
not cool. It's just not cool. I wonder what she's
up to these days.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Especially if it's children of children die like a Colum
Bond their eyes the all kill. Well, there's a few
adult teachers, but maybe most of them a hunder age
you don't maybe want to be respectful and doesn't want
to want to disrespect the parents and the family by
saying I got EVP and maybe somebody died of was fifteen.
I don't know, but I always saw that if there

(53:54):
is ghosts that are trapped, you know, some of those
places would be primed if that exists.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Yeah, there's there's certain levels of you want to be respectful,
but also you know you're looking for you know, answers man.
Well that is actually about at the top of the
hour right there, So that's pretty pretty perfect timing. So

(54:25):
thank you so much for coming on the show. This
has been super, super fun. It's just fun to talk
radio with someone else who like understands radio. It's a
weird beast.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
I've always well, like I said, you know, they just
having my show is a way to combine two things.
I really like radio with their normal Yeah, I can
just combie, but I've always any I said, interested anonymity
to it because I have a Facebook page, but you
don't see my face.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
I make it it's as mysterious as possible.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
So yeah, my Facebook page, because I do some DJs
at the radio that when I get like where I
they had their own show, they'll have like their Facebook page.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
You can see their face, their girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Their husband.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I wanted to keep mind is kind of mysterious or
I got a suiting them, but I'll see my real name.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yeah, I want to have some kind of.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Kiss with the makeup y, some kind of mysterious of
something mysterious about it. You just you just know my voice.
And I've always liked any any form of Brady. I
used to love playing on my mom and dad seev radio.
I've always anything because there's something, like you said, kind
of creepy about just.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Hearing a voice.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, this disembodied voice coming to tell you about ghosts.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Yeah, you don't know who they are, what they look like.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
You don't know the real name, like.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I said when I certain listened Coast to Coast, you know,
back then George, I didn't know what George Norwy or
Art Bella looked like.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Yeah, I didn't know anything about their past, and I
didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
That was part of the coolness, is I didn't want
to know that our bell was an air force. I
want to I like the I like the anonymity.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
I just heard there's a voice while I was working
Thursday and.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
Talking about Big Play.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
And I kind of kind of kind of keep that
vibe at my show. I don't I guess. I have
a radio name and and on.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
My Facebook page there's no pictures of me.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's I try to keep it kind of like back
in the seventies or eighties, when you really even know
what DJ's looked like outside of maybe Howard.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Stern, yeah, whoever, whoever got popular enough to, you know,
go on the late night talk shows pretty much.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But because back then you only didn't
know what.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
The DJ's looked like, it didn't exist.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
So that's I wanted to kind of keep that that
kind of mystery.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, that's really fun. Yeah. For a long time, I
didn't post any pictures on our page, and I don't
really know when that changed, but I missed the mystery
of it. It was fun.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Oh uh, do you want to remind people one more
time when and where to listen to you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Yeah, it's called The Witching. It's on waif eighty eight
point three FM, Cincinnati, Ohio, Thursday mornings from Wednesday night
into Thursday mornings from two am to four am. You'd
also listen anywhere theworld onwaf dot org. You can actually
download the station. You can actually download the app to

(57:20):
listen to the station. It's ninety nine percent paranormal. We'll
shoot some true prime or conspiracies in there. From time
to time. I play a lot of music. I try
to play esoteric music, but like I said, there's not
a ton of it out there, but I try to
play as much as I can get my hands on.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yeah Yeah, which I think is super cool. So everyone
go support some more awesome local paranormal radio. Go listen
to Michael Midnight. And we're gonna go ahead and sign
up for Strange Shock for the night. So goodnight and
good luck.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 6 (58:05):
Give me to give me, to.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Give, to give.

Speaker 6 (58:21):
Than the night.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Give me a time, Rod. I turned around the sweat
Shuger nights.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Something was holding me to.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Give, to get.

Speaker 7 (59:02):
It looked like a long given right, seemed to go
right to the world.

Speaker 6 (59:12):
I thought we're a time.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
It would fight and I'd like a f.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
F this one.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
You kids speaking nights.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
It's so shooting to give together, to give me a

(59:56):
right to get from f.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Things.

Speaker 6 (01:00:03):
The gop and the nights.

Speaker 7 (01:00:07):
Give me a rable frog.

Speaker 6 (01:00:12):
I turned rob the sweats on the night.

Speaker 7 (01:00:16):
Something was holding me time in the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Night, drinking up, turning up, turning up.

Speaker 7 (01:00:32):
Drinking up, drinking up, driving the night, the driven, the

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
King sh