June 5, 2025 • 58 mins
This week, Alyx sits down with artist and Appalachian cryptid enthusiast Ballyraven, known for their stunning illustrations of Appalachian creatures and folklore. They talk all things cryptid festivals, favorite mysterious beasties, and what it’s like to bring legends to life through art. Partway through the interview, Alyx has a sudden realization: they actually met Ballyraven years ago attending their very first Mothman Festival, where they unknowingly won a print from Ballyraven’s booth! It’s a full-circle moment wrapped in weirdness, nostalgia, and just a touch of Appalachian magic.
Plus, Ballyraven shares a bit about their upcoming book, Cryptid Creatures: Learn to Draw Mysterious Beasts from Around the World, releasing August 5th! Perfect for artists, believers, and the cryptid-curious alike.
Music for this episode include the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, Detox by Karl Casey, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek
Plus, Ballyraven shares a bit about their upcoming book, Cryptid Creatures: Learn to Draw Mysterious Beasts from Around the World, releasing August 5th! Perfect for artists, believers, and the cryptid-curious alike.
Music for this episode include the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, Detox by Karl Casey, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek
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Speaker 1 (01:28):
Good evening and welcome to the average dedicated to talk
about all things strange, weird and paranormal. You're listening Strange
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The intro track to this episode in the Star episodes
is the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk. And I'm
(01:48):
your host, Alex and we have a very special guest
with us tonight. If you would like to introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm Bally Raven.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm an Appalachian illustrator that specializes in encryptids.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, and people will probably be familiar with you a
little bit already because we took a bunch of pictures
of everybody that was that from Men Festival.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, that was you took wonderful pictures. That's the best
picture I've ever had of myself.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Thank you especially. I was running around on Sunday trying
to make sure I got pictures of everybody because I'm like,
that helps me when I'm like, who did I talk to? Okay,
put this to this Okay, this is the person I
talked to. I remember what their face looks like. That
was such a fun event too. It was super super fun.
Had you been at the other FROMMN festival? That was
(02:32):
my first year? Okay, yeah, because it's been around for
three years, but the years have kind of blended together
because I've gone every year, but that was the first
year that I vended at it as well.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's gonna be one of my every
year as long as they hold it once.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, sounds a great time. It was so so fun
and Jeff Jeff puts on such a good show. Jeff,
if you're listening, thank you again. Jeff is wonderful. Yeah,
I love him. Yeah, he's such a sweetheart and make
such good maps, but you also make amazing art. I
actually just noticed that one of your pictures is behind
you as well. It's actually a sure win. Oh it's sure.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh yeah, that is sure whin I hanging around my apartment.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, actually I need to hit him up to get
him on here too. We're just gonna have everybody from
Frogman Festival joined the show, and I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But yeah, have you had the Danner Dan's another one?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Of my things. I do need to have Danner on here.
Danner and I play Pickman and Bloom together and so
are messaging each other or rather sitting each other postcards
in Pickman Bloom all the time. So he also got
us into that game. Okay, well, I'm gonna need your
friend code when we're not recording or unless you want
to give it to everybody at everybody, and off the
top of my head, I would yeah. Yeah. He also
(03:48):
was like, my friends have been playing, and then he
was like, you got done this up? And I was like,
you know what, fine, I'm in because I had gotten
tired of Pokemon Go because it's all transactions now.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I think that you and Dinner win hands down for
best Hats at Frogman Festival as well.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So he he is the most charismatic vendor I've ever met.
He embodies the park ranger that will, you know, tell
you a good campfire story.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He really is. He's like, he's not the park ranger
that's gonna like scare you where they're like Bigfoot's gonna
get you. He's the park ranger that's gonna be like
Bigfoot might get you, but like here's how you like
survive that and you know, not set the forest on fire.
But yeah again you though you also make such it's
(04:35):
great cryptid art.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
What is your favorite cryptid to draw?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You know, that's it's hard because it's kind of depends
on my mood.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Sometimes you want to draw just something really scary, nasty,
and it's just like so fun just to see how
gross you can create something. And then other times I
just like to it's like kind of meditative, meditative to
draw scales and so that's very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, kind of the same motion over and over again.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I've been having a really great time drawing wild men,
which are more human bigfoot, Yeah, and so that's really fun.
So I'll look at different like evolutionary humans and I'll
try to base get these wild men off of them
and that that's been my favorite for the moment, but
it changes all the time.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, and it as you draw one more, you're
probably like, oh, you know, I'm getting a little tired
of drawing this one. Like presd of night crawlers are
so fun to draw, but they're really simple, so after
a while it's probably like now I want to draw
you know NeSSI.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, the President Night Crawler was the most difficult sketch
I've ever done, because.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Because it's so simple, a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
People might not know my work, but I do fake
scientific field sketches, and trying to figure out what a
President the night Crowler.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Would possible, yeah, is impossible.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I went with a more earthworm kind of interpretation of
you know, one side of the head and the other
sides of the rear end and it's kind of wobbling around.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But yeah, that's a hard one. Yeah, I'm actually trying to.
I have a bunch of your art around. I think
I have the Jersey Devil and the Loveland Frog because
Loveland is my hometown. Oh really, that's so lucky. My
whole bathroom is nothing but Loveland Frog cart because there's
so much of it because it's my hometown. But I
(06:40):
do have the Jersey Devil as well. I don't. I
was just about to, like, I was looking through them
and I was about to show you, and I'm like,
you know what this looks like? You draw? This is
why I can't be trusted with my iPad. But uh, yeah,
that was one of my favorite things on the Frogman
one actually, because you have a bunch of different information
(07:01):
about the different cryptids on there as well. Is you
actually mentioned Branchi Guinea Pike, which is exactly where I
used to live in Lovelt. I used to live right
on that road. I never saw the frog. I looked
so hard, and I never saw the frog. But I'm
still hoping one day I'll catch him. I was out
there looking for it one time with my friend who
(07:21):
swears they saw it, but when I turned around that
I didn't see anything. And so to this day, I'm like,
I don't know if you were messing with me or
if you actually saw it. I'm inclined to believe them,
but I didn't see it, So either way, I'm mad
I missed it.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I know a lot of people who grew up in
a monster hometown. They kind of grew up hating their hometown.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I was.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Like my partner's from Roswell. Yeah, he was always like
annoyed by the aliens. Saw. Oh, he's coming around to
it now. I think that's the difference with Loveland is
people didn't really talk about it when I was a kid,
Like I didn't even know about it until I was
like twelve, Like nobody really talked about it. It didn't really
get big again until Pokemon Go. Yeah, and then the festival.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, it's been It was more of an unencryptied for
a long time because you had you know, Mothman and
bigfoot Nessy, but outside of those, it was more a niche.
But I feel like it's becoming more widespread all of them.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, it kind of took off. It feels like Mothman
was the first big one, and then since then it's
kind of slowly branched out into other ones. I feel
like Squank's gotten really big. Frogman's obviously gotten really big.
The Nightcrawlers are starting to get big. I don't know
if they have their own like festival or anything yet,
though they should. They should would go to that. I
(08:46):
think that would be amazing, just seeing everyone dressed up
like walking pants. Yes, I think the costumes would be amazing.
There's a Hodagg festival too. Oh yeah, there is a
Hodagg festival. I haven't gotten to go that one. The
people that run the Hodag Store are so nice though,
and I love their little show, the Hodags Captured. Yeah,
(09:08):
it's my favorite part. Yeah. Well, and then they got
the Mothmaanfestival. They got the little wooden hodag that you
can sit on and take pictures with. Yeah, they really,
they really did it right with the bright lime green
on everything.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, they're wonderful. I think they're my favorite booth.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, they're always they always have, like such a great booth.
Because I think you usually vend at Mothman Festival too, right,
because I think that's where I first met you technically,
but the first time I actually got to talk to
you was that Frogman Festival. Yeah, mock Man is my
busiest weekend. Yeah, mothmanon Festival is so so many people.
I never vend there because I just don't get to
(09:44):
talk to people otherwise, and even then I don't get
to talk to people because there's so many people. It
is overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, it last year wasn't as busy as the year.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Before, but still I'm trying to think. I can't remember
last year. The before it was like the first one
I had missed in a while because a friend of
mine was getting married. But I can't remember which one
it was. I don't remember if I was there last
year or not. But yeah, it's only getting bigger every year,
Like I kind of don't know what they're gonna do
because that city is only so big. It's a really
(10:14):
small town. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I know. They've at least started doing the bus transport
system from the part and that's really nice. I can't
use it because I have to be there so really.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right exactly, but it's good for the Baboo attend.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, and it's usually the hottest weekend of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh my gosh. Yes, Well, and I did go this
past year. It was the year before that I didn't
get to go because last year there was two separate lines.
There was a separate line to get into the museum
versus to get to take a picture to the statue.
Actually there's three lines, because there's a line to take
a picture with the front of the statue and align
to take a picture with the back of the statue. Yeah.
(10:55):
Oh no, I don't think they realized how big of
a pop culture icon that statue it was going to be.
It it's all because of the butt they put on
the Mothman. Honestly, I mean, I still think people would
love it even without that, but it really just added something,
(11:16):
having this super jacked Mothman with just an absolute butt. Yeah,
they've rubbed, rubbed it raw. Yeah, dull scratched up. That's
I noticed at the museum this past year that they
went all in on that. And like, even at the museum,
they're trying to get hand me a quarter. They're like,
do you want to put it in the Mothman crack?
(11:37):
And I was like, no, I really don't, but thank you.
There's saw a lot of shiny, heiny merchants. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It's so hard to explain to people who have no
idea where.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They like, don't understand the Mothman lore weirdly includes cans
of beans and a metal butt.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, because you know, you start to talk about Mothman
and then people are like, you have a celebration for
a monster that some people think killed a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, well, okay, it is weird when you put it
like that. You're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Are set up during the MOTHAMFESTIV was right between those
two lines.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So it's the busiest little section too. Yeah yeah, but
you were at least in the shaded part this last time.
I think, yes, And we're trying to build a little
fan system the way people can come by in the
law mart and yeah, just yeah, And we were giving
out free waters last year too, because it was you know,
(12:39):
I do remember that. Yeah, yeah, it was so miserable.
So that's that's part of why Frogmmphest is one of
my favorites. It's indoors. Yeah, you don't love that because
it would be honestly leveland is such also a not
quite as small as Point Pleasant, but it's it's pretty
small town like that just wouldn't really work outside there. No,
(13:01):
but that's a good thing because it is just way
too hot outside at least in spring too.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, and I wish there were more crypt that's will
spread out instead of summer months, yeah, because it would
be nice to enjoy, you know, the cool breeze. Yes,
anything except summer.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There's a lot of places it's not normally like a
big festival, but like a lot of places will do
like kind of Crampus markets for Christmas, and I love that.
But I almost wish like we had like a good
like Carampus festival. I don't know where it would happen though,
because campus isn't really I guess the US based thing, but.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I know there's a decent sized one in Columbus.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh really mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Maybe maybe I gotta go to Columbus to that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I've heard good things about it. Yeah, that seems like
it would be really fun. Is it indoor or outdoor?
I think it's outdoor At least there's a parade that's outdoor. Okay, yeah,
because a lot of them do, like a lot of
them that happen in Germany and stuff will do like
they'll do runs or kind of parades outside, so that
kind of makes sense. But that'd be cold. Yeah, if you, uh,
(14:12):
what would be your top pick for like a crypto
that does not already have a festival that really needs one. Hmmm,
that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, I actually I love the deer man Ooh do
you know are you familiar with him? What? Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So it's separate from it's not like the Wind to Go,
although people draw that with deer antlers.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, and that's that's controversial. That's like, that's a whole
har podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That's a whole That's why we don't really talk about
it on here. Everyone always like kind of mentions it,
and I'm like, we're not gonna go into all that
because I would have somebody who is an expert on
that talk about that, because otherwise that's just gonna be
a mess. Yeah. Yeah, well so.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Deer man and not deer are sort of similar. I
grew up in Lucasville, which I don't know, if you're
familiar with Portsmouth, it's like north of Portsmouth. Yeah, yeah,
And we had the usect plant there, and people used
to make stories about all the mutated animals from the
leakage around the plant, and one of them was like
(15:22):
an early version of the deer man, which now has
kind of spread out. It probably didn't originate where I
came from, but yeah, you know, it's cool that we
had something kind of similar. But the not deer is
starting to take off a bit, and it's this. It
looks like a normal deer, but then whenever you get
close to it, it stands up and has like two
ford facing human eyes, and then it, you know, it
(15:46):
runs after you and tries to oh I don't like that,
and you know, he screeches. He gets caught on trail cams.
Sometimes he has three eyes.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, ningy pictures of this or artist renditions of this,
but I hadn't realized what it was called. That's really cool.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I love him because it's you know, I love the
ones that are just animals and then they just out
of nowhere to do something weird.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's a normal Go oh, that's not a normal guy.
Have you Have you seen that clip from an Adventure
time of the deer that takes the hoofs off and
has hands underneath. That is always what I think of
with that of just like, oh, no, something's wrong with
that deer. But that's really cool that that kind of originated,
(16:37):
sort of the prototype of it originated in your kind
of hometown there.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
The other one I really like is Apple Devil, which
is a West Virginia one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
West Virginia's got so many good, little little weird ones.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I did a encyclopedia on every single one of them
from West Virginia, and the book itself ended up being
I think over five hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Of just I just hear West Virginia ones, West.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Virginia cryptids and paranormal.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Entities, and you know, I think it might be the.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Most haunted state in America.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It probably it probably is. That checks out.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
But Apple Devils are these little little, short, fat, big
feet that break into people's yards and eat all the
fruit and you know, get anything that's outside that isn't
locked down.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, and they.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
There was a guy who posted a story about it
on I think it was Reddit, of where he saw
one and then it turned invisible and ran away. I
was like, what a fun little guy. He's not bad,
he's just you know.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Getting into stuff. Just a little Bigfoot. Yeah, you know,
reckon up your stuff. Yeah. It's like a kind of
like the grimlin version of Bigfoot. Yeah, and I love that.
That's really cute. I love that it that makes me
wonder since Squonking had to just feel like that too,
I'm like, what a squash, Just a really sad little guy.
(18:00):
He's just a little sad version of that. He tried
to steal some apples and it went wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
The f you're some fear some beasts or I can't remember,
it's for some beasts or fearsome critters are some of
the most bizarre stories I've come across. Yeah, I know
they're not technically cryptids because they're purposefully made up to
trick people, but I still count them as that because
you know, I'm sure some people actually did believe in.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Them, right exactly. Well, it's kind of sorry to people
who don't already know this is the thing, but like that,
I feel like almost all kids are taking snipe hunting.
At some point, I count that as a cryptid, even
though like maybe it shouldn't be anything I do to
kind of urban legendy, you know, I'm like, I'll count it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Cryptids I think are just modern, you know, mythical creatures
to me, Yeah, because people used to believe in those
two and now you know, we don't, and it changes
over time. Yeah, I'm sure there'll be some of our
you know, famous cryptids now that lend up like that mythologize.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, because I guess that's kind of just the delineations
mythological creatures are where they go. Yeah, that's definitely not real.
Cryptids are. They might be real maybe, So I don't know,
maybe maybe things will shift aroun because I feel like
I feel like NeSSI and Bigfoot and then unicorns used
(19:29):
to be count as the mythical creatures, but now Bigfoot
and Nessy is considered cryptid, but mermaids and unicorns are
still mythical. And I'm just like, why is that the delineation? Yeah,
they're two out of the word herea I guess. Yeah. Yeah,
So I kind of like that we can kind of
define that a little bit because Obviously, you want to
(19:54):
be scientific about your cryptids if you're looking for proof
of them, so you gotta have some kind of way,
which is part of why I really love that you
do these drawings that kind of, you know, show the
anatomy of this stuff. I just like, how would this work?
Do you have like a background in biology?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, I'm just I'm just a big nerd and I
love learning about sciences. So sometimes I'll hear a cryptid story,
I'm like, wow, that's really interesting. I wonder what I
could possibly compare it to, and then I'll just read
everything I can about the animal. Yeah, way more than
is reasonable. It's it's honestly a waste of time because
(20:35):
no one cares about the details but me, I think.
But I mean I think it's cool and I absolutely
love that part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So like the frogman, I looked at all the different
species from Ohio and I was just.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like, how do frogs even work?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And you know, you learn a lot of cool stuff
and then I take what kind of works and put
it into the anatomy study.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's super cool though, because I
mean there's so many different types of frogs too, and
they never specified like what kind of frog, because later
the cops were like, it was an iguana that didn't
have a tail. So that kind of means you get
to kind of like take some liberties with that too
and decide, Okay, so it's not gonna be like a
was it the green eyed tree frog? Because that lives
(21:20):
in the rainforest, So like, were you like looking at
specific like frogs like from Ohio to kind of figure
out Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, and then I'll i won't exactly copy it, but
you know, I'll take a lot of uh, I'll steal
a lot of the real things identity.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, and then like if it has an ability, you're like, okay,
so how would that work in this anatomy?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, And a lot of times there's just like, well,
I don't have any answer for that one. There was
a bigfoot that could make your car stop working. He
like they electronics malfunction.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I was just like I don't know how to make
that sciencey at all?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Electric manna wage? Yeah, I was like what do eels do?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And then I was just like, you know what, I'm
not smart enough to understand this this paper.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's actually uh. In the last couple of years, they
finally found where electric eels go to breed and it's
in the Bermuda triangle, and I was like, oh my gosh,
is that way everything malfunction is there? And I don't
think they've you know, done that study yet. But I'm
just like, if the answer to all these mysteries has
been eels all along, I'm gonna lose it. That's amazing.
(22:31):
I would love that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I would I would not stop talking about that. I
wanted to be a scientific illustrator, but whenever I signed
up for all my classes, they were like, oh, you
have to do studies from a morgue.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh wait, I d okay.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So I'm very happy that I get to, you know,
do a fake version of it, and then I also
get to choose whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's things like the Jersey Devil
where it's kind of a bunch of animals smashed in one,
so you have to get like, I'm sure pretty kind
of creative how that flows together too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well, you know, there's a balance between like me just
having fun and then also giving people like the representation
that they are looking for stuff like that. They have
Everyone has a pretty clear idea of what they want
it to look like. Yeah, and it's the same with
the moth man. The descriptions are nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Like the statue or are really cute.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Drawings of them. But yeah, it means a lot to people.
He look the way they wanted to, right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah. Well, because everyone has like their own idea in
mind of what that cryptid looks like. That's why you
end up with so many debates over certain ones. It's
I don't know. I think it's funny how many cryptis
that they just go like, I don't know, it was
a bear. I'm like, they don't. Yeah, it doesn't look
like a bear. That's kind of mosman. I'm even like,
(24:03):
kind of looks more like an owl in a moth. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think the debunking I think was that he was
a sand hill crane, which is interesting, Okay, sure.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't. I mean, who knows. I wasn't there. I
wasn't there could have been anything. It might have been
a weather balloon. Why not. Everything's a weather balloon or bears.
There's no other answers.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I think the most controversial art drawing as I do,
or the Bigfoot category, is people are very passionate.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
About about bigot big encounters and there's so many bigfoot too.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
That's one thing I actually love about about it because
then I have so many different times I can redraw it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Uh huh. It's never exactly what you know someone wants,
never the same thing were you saying. Somebody like tried
to like fight with you about like what bigfoot looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's come up, or I'll I'll have a conversation with
someone and they're like, this isn't true about bigfoot at all,
and they have to be like, well, none of this
stuff I'm making is real, Like, yeah, this is this
is all to me. You know, this is just interpretations
and art.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's going by what's out there and what it might
look like.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, I think sometimes I might come off with the
wrong impression of coming from this is what I saw,
But yeah, I have to always make sure this is fantasy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Well, and also you're never gonna be able to draw
exactly what you know they saw. You're not a what
is the word for that? Sket chartist? I wouldn't have
set chartists something like that. Yeah, like that's what we're
trying to do. Yeah, because that's the interest thing about
like Braxi is like some of the first art of
Braxi was they had a sket chartist do it. But like,
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that's not your job. Your job is to make it
fun and you know, work in some elements of reality
of like here's how this might work. You know, I
just think it's really cool. I'm going through all of
your art and looking at all of because I have
a bunch of these around my house. Actually I'm relisting.
I have a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm sure whenever I see you next time, I'll just
give you some. I always have so many prints that
I just give to everyone who likes it. I'm a
terrible business person, I will say.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
That I am, as well. I'm not. I mean, I'm
not really a business person. It's not like I get
paid to do radio or anything like that. I do
this for fun. And in the same way, you make
these creatures for fun, Like it's I don't think you'd
be doing it and making so many bigfoots if you
weren't having fun doing Yeah, Bigfoot, I have a love
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hate relationship with it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
But you know, I guess when it comes down to it,
Bigfoot might be my favorite to draw. Yeah, well, I
do always come back to it, and you get to
do so many different versions, do you do you have
like a favorite version of Bigfoot, probably the Grassman, which
I'm getting ready to do my redo of him, because
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the Frogman and the Grassman were my first illustrations.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Really, it was maybe seven or.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Eight years ago now, and then the process has changed
so much since then. Yeah, but those were like my
more local creatures, so they, you know, were more special.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I clicked this thing. It might have been your first
grassman drawing, but it's the whirling whirling wimpass.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, that was a that was from my BFA thesis
and I did a coloring book that showed all the
different cryptids from Appalachia.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Mm hmm. Yeah. Here it is the myths and monsters.
And I love that you have the correct pronunciation written
on the Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I went to school in Alaska and everyone pronounced it
a certain way. They would tell me I was pronouncing
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh no, be like, listen here Appalaysia. Yeah, Appalachia Is
that the how they pronounced it. I'm like, it's Appalachia. Yeah.
That's the whole thing with having like Louisville closer here.
I'm always like, just don't try to pronounce it at all.
Just go Louisville. Just drop some letters in there. You're
probably close enough. It's fine.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You did your whole final thesis on all cryptids though, too.
I did.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I was really homesick and my my mom had sent
me a care package from home and it had a
Mothman t shirt from the first time they'd ever gone
to it was when it was first starting been a
few years, and I wore it to class one day
and everyone was asking me questions about what's the Mothman? Yeah,
and then it just got me thinking, there's a lot
of really weird man.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
So I did the public monster, Mothman, and Grassman, and
I would just tell everyone about it and draw pictures,
and then for my thesis, I just use them as
the figures and my whole you know, gallery show about
why we tell stories and how they're important to us.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah. Did they like kind of in turn, like share
stories about Alaska with you too? Did you find any
like cool Alaska? Really?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
One one person did, but it wasn't in response to that.
It was maybe a couple of years earlier of a
it's kind of like a seal that has a human face.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh, I don't remember very well. I heard a lot
of cryptids stories from Alaska. That sounds like that's probably
why they were scared. You've got all the good stories.
I think maybe Alaska is already like scary enough to
begin with. It's beautiful, but yeah, beautiful, cold can be dark.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, the northern lights are amazing. I actually liked the
darkness all day.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That was pretty. Did it make you more or less?
I'm more of a night person, so that was same meat. Yeah,
you just got so much color. I don't remember what
I was looking for now. Now I'm just scrolling through
all of this, even though I've looked through it before.
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So I guess your favorite cryptid it's a frogman. It's
actually it's not my favorite. My favorite's probably Braxie. I
really like Braxi, just because Braxi came, did her thing
and then just left and like nobody's really seen her
again since then, and I'm like, I really appreciate that
about her. Where she had a mission and she irradiated
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everybody and then she left. Yeah, I made everyone sick. Yeah,
was just like, all right, bye, guys, I'm done. Because
people are still seeing like Mothman around and stuff. Pokemon Go.
People said they've seen the Frogman and stuff as well,
So like I feel like other cryptois lingermore. She was
just like bye guy, catch an ex millennia or whatever.
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I really appreciate that. Which It was funny because everyone
always thinks that Mothman's my favorite, just because Mothman is
the most popular by far, I'm like, Mathman is my
most favorite cryptoid from West Virginia. Yeah, there's so many
good ones. There's so many options, and I love pretty
much all of them. There's just there's so many, so
many cool ones. I feel like Mathman kind of does
have like some of the most lore these days. Just
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because Mathman has gotten so popular and because of Mathman prophecies,
you've got so many eyewitness accounts. I feel like the
other lower for your other cryptis maybe isn't like built
up as much, but I think that that like gives
people more opportunity to kind of get creative with it,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, I love the deep cuts, the ones no one's
ever heard of that has just one sentence attribute to
attributed to it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, you're my favorite.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, whenever I get to them, I will name them
sometimes and.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Some don't even have names. They're just like this little
thing that we saw or there. What are some of
the ones you've gotten to name?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Someone told me about a giant frog that used to
live in the I think it's the Black Swamp in Ohio, which.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They drained intern of the black Swamp.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, so I named him pop frog because it was
so big. When he opened his mouth, it would say
pop yeah, or he would pop.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Out of the ground. And I loved him. And then
there was a.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I'm calling him from now on, yeah and yeah. Frogs
are also my favorite animal. So I gotta get onto
this before someone else takes it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right exactly, all right? You named the pop frog? You
heard it here, it's the pop frog.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
It's me. There also was a giant bat that someone
saw flying over Cabwalingo Park in West Virginia, and it
was like, it's a vampire.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's a giant vampire bats.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
So I named that one Pippy San Guizagag because it
sounded like, oh did European and it just means this
blood drinker bad.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I love that. Yeah, well, then you get like Pippy
for short. How Braxton County Monster is braxy like I love.
I love when we can give it a good nickname
because I feel like that catches on. I love that.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
That's one of my favorite things, just making up real,
real dumb names.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, I love it. We're just it's pop Frog from
now on, or see how many how much we can
get that to catch on. It's got to make sure.
Was it mean girls where she's like trying to make
fetch happen. We're making pop frog happen. Yeah. The more
people who get on board with it now, the better.
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Are there any other fun little ones that maybe people
don't know about, that you've heard about, that you've been drawing.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
There's another thing I do that's they some people like,
some people don't like, is I'll make species because there'll
be mini in the same area. Yeah, they get attributed
to the same creature, but when you read them, they're
vastly different. So for example, lake Erie has you know,
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probably close to thirty different encounter stories yep, and they
all could be completely different things. One of my favorites
is this one that's described sort of like a prey
pleasia stord, but it has eyes the size of an
egg ostrich egg specifically wow impenetrable copper scales like a long,
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thin serpentine neck.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that doesn't sound like the classic Bessie,
but that's like it's like TURBOONESSI Yeah, I saw. I'm like,
he's gotta be called egg eyes. Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Just been like I'll I have this big nerdy spreadsheet
and I'll start being like it's between these sizes, these colors,
and then I'll just start you know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
And Lake Erie also.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Has this little tiny fish that has three big teeth
and it punctured someone's ankle once.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh that was cool. The Lake Erie chomper. Yeah, chump chump.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I'm glad I didn't name that one because that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah. Lake Erie was probably the most appropriately named of
the Great Lakes. Yeah, second going down there or yeah,
Lake Erie, and then Lake Superior because Lake Speary is
the best Lake two swimen, but Lake Erie is definitely
the most eerie. Ohio has two species of bigfoot that
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have glowing eyes as well. Yeah. What are they. I'm
trying to think of the name some of them or
have they been named yet? They're orange eyes and green eyes.
Orangees and green eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, the orange eyes is connected to alien stories, which
I haven't done a whole lot of reading on them yet,
but and they're often seen in graveyards and I think
northeastern Ohio, which is fun.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
And then there's.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Green Eyes, which is kind of exactly the same except
he has green eyes.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's one of the other things
that I think is super interesting about cryptids is sort
of some people are like, that's definitely extraterrestrial. Some people
are like, no, that's definitely paranormal, and some are like,
this is definitely just some weird creature from Earth and
something's wrong with it, like.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
The Fresno night Crawler. It could be alien, it could
be like a subterranean thing.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, they're so fun. Like the Mongolian death worm. People
are like, that's definitely terrestrial. It doesn't have to be.
But everyone seems to think like, yeah, that's terrestrial. But
then like Braxi, they're like, that's definitely an alien.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I wonder if it's they think it appears more intelligent
or something.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, maybe that's what it is, because that's kind of
thing like Chupacabra is always like associated with aliens too,
you know, like bloodsucking cows and beaming things up and
stuff like that too. Which I think is interesting because
I feel like chep a cobra out of so many creatures,
is like that could just be a weird Earth creature.
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It doesn't hurt a lot have to be an alien.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I've heard it as like an alien experiment on Earth animals.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That would be cool that that kind of makes sense
of like kind of split the difference there. Yeah, there's
like some there's a few cryptism that I actually think
they could exist. Do you know about alien big cats?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, So there's an animal called the Appalachian black.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Panther, which I know about those. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, so it's just it's a cat that does exist,
just not in our area.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, So like that one I could believe in.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, and then a lot of the deep sea ones,
I think those are very plausible.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
We can't get down there, they might just be down there,
maybe we just yeah, I mean giant squid turned out
to exist when we definitely did not think they existed.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, there's there was also a freshwater octopus. I came
across and researching West Virginia, and there's tons of dates
of people finding these octopuses living in or octopi living
in lakes and rivers in the area. They probably were
dumped pets, but still.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Like it's something that was kind of cool. Yeah, yeah,
I love I love the idea too of cryptids having
this sort of like almost urban legend kind of mythology too,
of like a friend of mine wants one an iguana
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from the fair and they were like, you can't take this,
like you're not actually supposed to be able to win these,
but she got it anyway, and it got out, and
like years after that, people were seeing this iguana like
on the road, which is like they're there's no way
that survived. But it became this like urban legend of
people like saw this iguana that was like supposedly still
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alive when it's like there's no way that could have
survived winter. Yeah, stuff like that. If but what if
and what if it got bigger and mutated a little bit,
and now we've got you know, there we go, local
cryptid just iguana from the fair. I've heard that goat
man too, where they were like, oh it was someone
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who ran away from the circus, yeah, or a farmer
that made a deal with the devil. Yeah, I've heard
that one like five goat man. Goat man like Mothman
is heavy on lore, but they're all very different lore.
Like I feel like the mothmanlare kind of goes together
for the most part. Goat Man Laura is just like
it could be this, this, this, this, or it could
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be Jimmy's cousin, you know, Craig, and I'm just like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Goat Man is the darkest cryptid.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, goat Man is. When people say they want to
go looking for goat Man, I'm like, you probably just
shouldn't because there's no situation where that ends. Well, either
you get hit by the train or you actually find
him and he has an axe. So yeah, yeah, there's
no wedding. Goatman is not one you would want to
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find if the legends are true.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, I mean when I was that was a story
I heard as a kid. Yeah, if you were like
outside at night when you weren't supposed to be, like,
the Goatman would like sing to you kind of like
a say, I guess a sator. You had like these qualities,
he would lull you into danger.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah. Have you read sort of the like more modern
legends of the Goatman where he'd you in the party
and he has to like kind of mimic people's voices
and like people always count the party wrong and stuff too. No,
but that sounds that sounds really scary because I can
find it. I think I'm pretty sure it was just
like an ar no Sleep story, so like it wasn't
like something like this happened, but I read it and
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it was like such a good addition to the lore
that I was like, that's so creepy that you're with
your party and you keep counting one extra person but
you can't tell who the extra person is because everybody
just looks like your friends. I was like, that is
so creepy. I love that. Yeah, that's genius. Yeah, if
I can find that story, I'll send you it because
I'm pretty sure I read that a few years back
and I was like, this is really good. Whoever added
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that to the goat man lore? If I can find
that story again, thank you. Scare the crap out of me.
I have that fear now whenever I'm hiking and camping.
It's it's funny.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Whenever you're outside at night, it's ten times more terrifying.
Because I don't believe in anything paranormal, but when I'm
outside at night, by myself.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
You don't not believe I'm on edge. I uh well,
because you probably you know, being from Avalachia, you probably
like also grew up with that, Like you know, you
don't whistle at night, especially not when you're outdoors. All
that weird old lore and like, when I think about it,
I mean that blatch and hills are so old. Like
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everyone's like, oh, the mountains out west are so big
and pretty, and they are, but they're not terrifying in
the way that the hills of aplatcha are. They're mountains,
they're just they're flatter because they're older and scarier. Yeah,
it feels older too. I don't know what it is
exactly the way.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I guess it's been smoothed down by plants in time.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
It just feels different to me. It feels like, I
don't know, nature has one in some way, and that
I'm not supposed to be there. Yeah, like this is
nature's space and I'm not supposed to be here, and
I should maybe leave the creatures there alone so that
they maybe they'll leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, it's it's my favorite mountains in the whole world. Yeah,
I'm so glad that I you know, moved back here.
I could not live without seeing the mountains every day.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, you're like northern lights, that's cool, but I miss
the mountains. Yeah every morning. Uh, you know how it
gets really foggy. My dad used to always say it's
the groundhogs making coffee, and I always think about that
when I drive by. Well, I'm gonna be thinking about
that every time i'm driving through the fog now, because usually,
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like when I'm driving there, I'm just like, yes, I'm
going to Silent Hell today.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Oh it was like the story about you know, groundhogs
still still your camping equipment, and.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
They're like little people that live underground. They really are.
I love them. Yeah maybe yes, I just love everything.
I guess. Okay, creatures are just cool. I think that's
really what it comes down to. All creatures are cool,
whether they're paranormal or extraterrestrial or just like a little
guy in the ground. Yeah, good or bad. I like them. Yeah,
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they're really cool. I'm like thinking now, I'm like, are
there any groundhog cryptids? I don't think there are. I
don't think there are. I mean the fog ones.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I'm definitely going to do a study on the fog
coffee camping, groundhogs, the ground fogs.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I'm trying to mix groundhog and fog together. There's a
way to make that work. Fog hogs. That that just
doesn't sound good. No, yeah, it doesn't. All right, You'll
come up with a way better name than that. Yeah,
oh god.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
There's also there's like sometimes it's just creepy superstitions like
don't bury your dead near the river mm hmmm, and
there'll be no monster attached to it. But even that's
fun to just speculate, like why.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, well, in the old days, you weren't supposed to
bring mirrors around dead bodies as well, and things like that,
like their soul could get trapped in there. Like there's
all kinds of fun, weird old lore that if you
still talk to like people who live out in all
there's a lot of them still believe that stuff. And
I'm not gonna tell them they're wrong, no, and I'm
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you know, I'll do it for them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
It makes me feel better whenever around them, because you know,
you get that feeling of like what if what if
I don't stop three times?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Background exactly? It's like I'm not superstitious, but I'm not
not superstitious, a little stitches, just semi stitches. It's just
what if I don't do it and something bad actually
does happen. Not that it's actually from that, but what
if I jinx myself.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Always thought that it reminds me kind of of Fay
folklore from.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's like a lot of the
apalache lare like. That is very Fay like of you
have to know exactly the right protocol and etiquette, and
I think that's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
There's just a ton of weird cultural things too, like
death crowns.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
That was interesting and creepy because we went to the
Appalachian History Museum time when we were going through Tennessee
and just to see all the death practices interesting and unusual.
But the pillow thing just have a full display of
these twisted balls of feather, and I think it meant
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that the person who passed away went to heaven. It's
been a bit so I don't remember exactly, but there's
just hundreds of them in this case. Wow is I
guess it's just frilled up pieces from the pillow itself,
but I don't know how they form exactly, but it
is weird.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, that's really cool though. I just I love any
Cole weird lore. You this is such a random thing.
But talking about Appalachia, do you know about the Kentucky
meat Shower?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Not, well, I've heard the name, but I don't know
anything about it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
It was let mean, double check the year on it,
because I always forget what year it happened. But basically
a bunch of meat rained from the sky and they
never really got an answer on why. It was kind
of like gelatinous and it never happened again, but it
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just happened this one time, and they were like, what
in the world is in Bath County, Kentucky eighteen seventy six.
So it was weird enough that it got in the
newspaper and there was just these weird, like gelatinous things,
just chunks of meat, and sort of the best guess
that they had was that it was possibly like vultures
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regurgitating or something, but it has never happened since then.
It's just for several minutes there was just a bunch
of meat raining down from the sky. Bizarre. Yeah, And
I was like, that's one of those things that I
kind of wish had a festival. But I also don't
want it to be a festival, yeah, because you know,
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the event would have to happen be like, all right,
it's the meat shower at time, and I'm just like
throwing dogs and people or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, and that's not really a hoax that pays off either,
it does not.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That's why I'm like, there, of all the things that
that could be, there's no way it was just somebody
pulling a prank because how and why. Yeah, it'd be
the best prank because they didn't get found out. But yeah,
I mean eighteen seventy six, it was in a like
one hundred by five hundred yard area, and that's why
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it's like that would have had to have been like
a lot of vultures. So maybe they were all in
the same thing that was like gone wrong or something.
But they're supposed to be able to eat things that
have gone bad, so I don't I don't know. I
think they do up to a certain point. Or maybe
someone poison them. There was like a TikTok or something
where a couple kids fed h seagulls laxatives. Oh no, yeah,
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maybe it was a that sort of situation. It could
be oh gosh, birds already don't need any help with that. No, no,
oh gosh, no, I just feel bad for those poor seagulls. Yeah,
poor guys. I'm actually more amazed there's not more like
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seagull cryptids because they're a little bit horrifying. They'll steal
anything from you. They're brave, they are.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
I love them too. My partnery lived on Virginia Beach,
so I go and just visit the seagulls. Pelicans. Pelicans
are terrifying.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Pelicans are horrifying. Pelicans are seagulls but with a giant
like backpack built in. They're so terrifying, and they're like,
I guess it's storks that people say like deliver babies.
I'm like, those are also a little bit terrifying, the
idea that they're just carrying around babies, like pelicans are
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like pterodactyls but small. I feel like, yeah, that's accurate.
You know, I'm actually surprised that. But uh, most people
think that narballs are cryptid, but they're real. I'm surprised
more people don't think like a platypus is encryptied because
it does not seem like it should be real.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
It feels like the fur bearing trout, Like, yeah, someone
just made it.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Someone slapped a couple of animals together, called it a
day and made it venomous.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, because it's a mammal that lays eggs and has
web feet and a bill and venom spurs.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
And it's just like, no, no, that's not how that works. No,
any of that works. I love that though. Bad.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, So you have a book coming out on August fifth, right,
I do. It's called Cryptid Creatures. There's a line on there.
I don't remember what it is.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
It's a very long one, like how to Draw Mysterious
Creatures around the World maybe, but the title is Cryptid Creatures.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Cryptid Creatures Learn how to Draw Mysterious Beasts from around
the World. I had to pull it up. Yeah, it right. Yeah,
But there are thirty five different tutorials in it, and
I tried to get as many as I could in there.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
So there's your classics like Mothman and Bessie, and then
I've got deer Man, one of my favorites, a couple
of Bigfoot, you know, a good variety, and then and
I have all the basics of how to draw and
my like special chapter is about how I use real
animals to draw them, and I have some reference sheets
in there. So it's a project I've tried to put
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as much love into as possible. Yeah, all of my passions.
And is there still a pre order up for it?
Or is that over?
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
You can go to my instagram it's valor even Underscore Folklore,
and then you can click the pre order link. So
did you get your pre order? And you should get
a confirmation code and then you go to the same link.
It's on a link tree and you fell out this
little email and then you'll get.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Five extra tutorials. Yeah, and that's until August fifth. Until
August fifth, okay, Yeah, so I was like making sure
the pre order is still running, so everyone can pre
order it right now and it will come out on
August fifth. And it looks like on here the pre
orders are through Barnes and Noble as well. So yeah,
so that's super cool. Everyone can get a little bit
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more en Cryptids in their life. And also, like, even
just what you've posted of it so far is so
so cute. I keep wanting to turn my iPad around
to show everybody because you're on video and I'm like,
you know what this looks like. Everybody who's listening you
don't know what this looks like, but go to Instagram
because I can't hold my iPad up to you. It
is so so cute. And then you've got a few
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more festivals you're doing this year as well. Front Manifest
already happened, but your next one you're at Squankapalooza, right.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, squanka Plooza is a great time. And then I
think two weeks after that, I'm going to Murphreesburro for
the Fearsome Folk There Festival. And then of course there's
the Mothman Festival not long after that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Classic and probably going to that when this Yrsel'll see
you there. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
And then I'm going to a Pennsylvania one the I
think it's called albat which day.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Oh, I haven't heard of that one. He is a
bigfoot that throws apples at you. Oh yeah, they love
that fruit, just like us. Yeah, they're just like us.
They're just like us. Big, They're just like us, but big.
I love that. Well, awesome, it's been so good talking
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to you. You already mentioned all of your social media,
but it's Valley Raven Underscore folklore. Again, everyone can priorder
your book. Is there anything else we need to tell
people to look at?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Oh no, I don't have I do a podcast myself,
but it is very silly, so you have to come
into it with that in mind. I think that's a
good thing. A true documentaries about gryptids.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I love that it is.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
It is such a fun hobby to just you know,
pool around. Yeah, make animal make animal noises in my room.
And I'm sure my neighbors hate me.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Your neighbors are like, how many pets do you have?
Speaker 3 (54:18):
I'm doing a big foot episode, you know, I'm just
like making gorilla noises.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Perfecting that bigfoot call. Yeah, awesome, Well, thank you so much. Everyone.
Be sure to check out your podcast as well to
listen for your bigfoot noises. That's very important. And pre
order your book. And we're gonna try just following some
of your drawing tutorials soon. And I'm really excited to
draw some frogs. I can't wait to see it. I'm
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so bad at drawing frogs, even though I love them,
so I'm actually that's why I was like, frog Gun's
gonna be the best pick. I'm terrible drawing frogs, so
I'm excited. Their feet is the hardest part.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, at that angle, how they're walking, how they're really
spread their toes.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah hard, it's very hard. Awesome. On that note, I
think we're gonna sign off for the night. So yeah,
thank you so much for having me on. Thank you
so much for coming on, and good night and good luck.
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is the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk. And I'm
(01:48):
your host, Alex and we have a very special guest
with us tonight. If you would like to introduce yourself.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
I'm Bally Raven.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
I'm an Appalachian illustrator that specializes in encryptids.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, and people will probably be familiar with you a
little bit already because we took a bunch of pictures
of everybody that was that from Men Festival.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah, that was you took wonderful pictures. That's the best
picture I've ever had of myself.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Thank you especially. I was running around on Sunday trying
to make sure I got pictures of everybody because I'm like,
that helps me when I'm like, who did I talk to? Okay,
put this to this Okay, this is the person I
talked to. I remember what their face looks like. That
was such a fun event too. It was super super fun.
Had you been at the other FROMMN festival? That was
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my first year? Okay, yeah, because it's been around for
three years, but the years have kind of blended together
because I've gone every year, but that was the first
year that I vended at it as well.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's gonna be one of my every
year as long as they hold it once.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Yeah, sounds a great time. It was so so fun
and Jeff Jeff puts on such a good show. Jeff,
if you're listening, thank you again. Jeff is wonderful. Yeah,
I love him. Yeah, he's such a sweetheart and make
such good maps, but you also make amazing art. I
actually just noticed that one of your pictures is behind
you as well. It's actually a sure win. Oh it's sure.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh yeah, that is sure whin I hanging around my apartment.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, actually I need to hit him up to get
him on here too. We're just gonna have everybody from
Frogman Festival joined the show, and I'm fine with that.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But yeah, have you had the Danner Dan's another one?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Of my things. I do need to have Danner on here.
Danner and I play Pickman and Bloom together and so
are messaging each other or rather sitting each other postcards
in Pickman Bloom all the time. So he also got
us into that game. Okay, well, I'm gonna need your
friend code when we're not recording or unless you want
to give it to everybody at everybody, and off the
top of my head, I would yeah. Yeah. He also
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was like, my friends have been playing, and then he
was like, you got done this up? And I was like,
you know what, fine, I'm in because I had gotten
tired of Pokemon Go because it's all transactions now.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I think that you and Dinner win hands down for
best Hats at Frogman Festival as well.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
So he he is the most charismatic vendor I've ever met.
He embodies the park ranger that will, you know, tell
you a good campfire story.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
He really is. He's like, he's not the park ranger
that's gonna like scare you where they're like Bigfoot's gonna
get you. He's the park ranger that's gonna be like
Bigfoot might get you, but like here's how you like
survive that and you know, not set the forest on fire.
But yeah again you though you also make such it's
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great cryptid art.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
What is your favorite cryptid to draw?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
You know, that's it's hard because it's kind of depends
on my mood.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Sometimes you want to draw just something really scary, nasty,
and it's just like so fun just to see how
gross you can create something. And then other times I
just like to it's like kind of meditative, meditative to
draw scales and so that's very nice.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah, kind of the same motion over and over again.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I've been having a really great time drawing wild men,
which are more human bigfoot, Yeah, and so that's really fun.
So I'll look at different like evolutionary humans and I'll
try to base get these wild men off of them
and that that's been my favorite for the moment, but
it changes all the time.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, yeah, and it as you draw one more, you're
probably like, oh, you know, I'm getting a little tired
of drawing this one. Like presd of night crawlers are
so fun to draw, but they're really simple, so after
a while it's probably like now I want to draw
you know NeSSI.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
Yeah, the President Night Crawler was the most difficult sketch
I've ever done, because.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Because it's so simple, a lot of.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
People might not know my work, but I do fake
scientific field sketches, and trying to figure out what a
President the night Crowler.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Would possible, yeah, is impossible.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I went with a more earthworm kind of interpretation of
you know, one side of the head and the other
sides of the rear end and it's kind of wobbling around.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
But yeah, that's a hard one. Yeah, I'm actually trying to.
I have a bunch of your art around. I think
I have the Jersey Devil and the Loveland Frog because
Loveland is my hometown. Oh really, that's so lucky. My
whole bathroom is nothing but Loveland Frog cart because there's
so much of it because it's my hometown. But I
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do have the Jersey Devil as well. I don't. I
was just about to, like, I was looking through them
and I was about to show you, and I'm like,
you know what this looks like? You draw? This is
why I can't be trusted with my iPad. But uh, yeah,
that was one of my favorite things on the Frogman
one actually, because you have a bunch of different information
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about the different cryptids on there as well. Is you
actually mentioned Branchi Guinea Pike, which is exactly where I
used to live in Lovelt. I used to live right
on that road. I never saw the frog. I looked
so hard, and I never saw the frog. But I'm
still hoping one day I'll catch him. I was out
there looking for it one time with my friend who
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swears they saw it, but when I turned around that
I didn't see anything. And so to this day, I'm like,
I don't know if you were messing with me or
if you actually saw it. I'm inclined to believe them,
but I didn't see it, So either way, I'm mad
I missed it.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I know a lot of people who grew up in
a monster hometown. They kind of grew up hating their hometown.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
I was.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Like my partner's from Roswell. Yeah, he was always like
annoyed by the aliens. Saw. Oh, he's coming around to
it now. I think that's the difference with Loveland is
people didn't really talk about it when I was a kid,
Like I didn't even know about it until I was
like twelve, Like nobody really talked about it. It didn't really
get big again until Pokemon Go. Yeah, and then the festival.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, it's been It was more of an unencryptied for
a long time because you had you know, Mothman and
bigfoot Nessy, but outside of those, it was more a niche.
But I feel like it's becoming more widespread all of them.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Yeah, it kind of took off. It feels like Mothman
was the first big one, and then since then it's
kind of slowly branched out into other ones. I feel
like Squank's gotten really big. Frogman's obviously gotten really big.
The Nightcrawlers are starting to get big. I don't know
if they have their own like festival or anything yet,
though they should. They should would go to that. I
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think that would be amazing, just seeing everyone dressed up
like walking pants. Yes, I think the costumes would be amazing.
There's a Hodagg festival too. Oh yeah, there is a
Hodagg festival. I haven't gotten to go that one. The
people that run the Hodag Store are so nice though,
and I love their little show, the Hodags Captured. Yeah,
(09:08):
it's my favorite part. Yeah. Well, and then they got
the Mothmaanfestival. They got the little wooden hodag that you
can sit on and take pictures with. Yeah, they really,
they really did it right with the bright lime green
on everything.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Yes, they're wonderful. I think they're my favorite booth.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, they're always they always have, like such a great booth.
Because I think you usually vend at Mothman Festival too, right,
because I think that's where I first met you technically,
but the first time I actually got to talk to
you was that Frogman Festival. Yeah, mock Man is my
busiest weekend. Yeah, mothmanon Festival is so so many people.
I never vend there because I just don't get to
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talk to people otherwise, and even then I don't get
to talk to people because there's so many people. It
is overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Yeah, it last year wasn't as busy as the year.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Before, but still I'm trying to think. I can't remember
last year. The before it was like the first one
I had missed in a while because a friend of
mine was getting married. But I can't remember which one
it was. I don't remember if I was there last
year or not. But yeah, it's only getting bigger every year,
Like I kind of don't know what they're gonna do
because that city is only so big. It's a really
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small town. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
I know. They've at least started doing the bus transport
system from the part and that's really nice. I can't
use it because I have to be there so really.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Right exactly, but it's good for the Baboo attend.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Yeah, and it's usually the hottest weekend of the year.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh my gosh. Yes, Well, and I did go this
past year. It was the year before that I didn't
get to go because last year there was two separate lines.
There was a separate line to get into the museum
versus to get to take a picture to the statue.
Actually there's three lines, because there's a line to take
a picture with the front of the statue and align
to take a picture with the back of the statue. Yeah.
(10:55):
Oh no, I don't think they realized how big of
a pop culture icon that statue it was going to be.
It it's all because of the butt they put on
the Mothman. Honestly, I mean, I still think people would
love it even without that, but it really just added something,
(11:16):
having this super jacked Mothman with just an absolute butt. Yeah,
they've rubbed, rubbed it raw. Yeah, dull scratched up. That's
I noticed at the museum this past year that they
went all in on that. And like, even at the museum,
they're trying to get hand me a quarter. They're like,
do you want to put it in the Mothman crack?
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And I was like, no, I really don't, but thank you.
There's saw a lot of shiny, heiny merchants. Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
It's so hard to explain to people who have no
idea where.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
They like, don't understand the Mothman lore weirdly includes cans
of beans and a metal butt.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, because you know, you start to talk about Mothman
and then people are like, you have a celebration for
a monster that some people think killed a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, well, okay, it is weird when you put it
like that. You're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Are set up during the MOTHAMFESTIV was right between those
two lines.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So it's the busiest little section too. Yeah yeah, but
you were at least in the shaded part this last time.
I think, yes, And we're trying to build a little
fan system the way people can come by in the
law mart and yeah, just yeah, And we were giving
out free waters last year too, because it was you know,
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I do remember that. Yeah, yeah, it was so miserable.
So that's that's part of why Frogmmphest is one of
my favorites. It's indoors. Yeah, you don't love that because
it would be honestly leveland is such also a not
quite as small as Point Pleasant, but it's it's pretty
small town like that just wouldn't really work outside there. No,
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but that's a good thing because it is just way
too hot outside at least in spring too.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, and I wish there were more crypt that's will
spread out instead of summer months, yeah, because it would
be nice to enjoy, you know, the cool breeze. Yes,
anything except summer.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
There's a lot of places it's not normally like a
big festival, but like a lot of places will do
like kind of Crampus markets for Christmas, and I love that.
But I almost wish like we had like a good
like Carampus festival. I don't know where it would happen though,
because campus isn't really I guess the US based thing, but.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Yeah, I know there's a decent sized one in Columbus.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Oh really mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Maybe maybe I gotta go to Columbus to that.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I've heard good things about it. Yeah, that seems like
it would be really fun. Is it indoor or outdoor?
I think it's outdoor At least there's a parade that's outdoor. Okay, yeah,
because a lot of them do, like a lot of
them that happen in Germany and stuff will do like
they'll do runs or kind of parades outside, so that
kind of makes sense. But that'd be cold. Yeah, if you, uh,
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what would be your top pick for like a crypto
that does not already have a festival that really needs one. Hmmm,
that's a good question.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Well, I actually I love the deer man Ooh do
you know are you familiar with him? What? Uh?
Speaker 2 (14:30):
So it's separate from it's not like the Wind to Go,
although people draw that with deer antlers.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Yeah, and that's that's controversial. That's like, that's a whole
har podcast.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
That's a whole That's why we don't really talk about
it on here. Everyone always like kind of mentions it,
and I'm like, we're not gonna go into all that
because I would have somebody who is an expert on
that talk about that, because otherwise that's just gonna be
a mess. Yeah. Yeah, well so.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Deer man and not deer are sort of similar. I
grew up in Lucasville, which I don't know, if you're
familiar with Portsmouth, it's like north of Portsmouth. Yeah, yeah,
And we had the usect plant there, and people used
to make stories about all the mutated animals from the
leakage around the plant, and one of them was like
(15:22):
an early version of the deer man, which now has
kind of spread out. It probably didn't originate where I
came from, but yeah, you know, it's cool that we
had something kind of similar. But the not deer is
starting to take off a bit, and it's this. It
looks like a normal deer, but then whenever you get
close to it, it stands up and has like two
ford facing human eyes, and then it, you know, it
(15:46):
runs after you and tries to oh I don't like that,
and you know, he screeches. He gets caught on trail cams.
Sometimes he has three eyes.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah, ningy pictures of this or artist renditions of this,
but I hadn't realized what it was called. That's really cool.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I love him because it's you know, I love the
ones that are just animals and then they just out
of nowhere to do something weird.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
That's a normal Go oh, that's not a normal guy.
Have you Have you seen that clip from an Adventure
time of the deer that takes the hoofs off and
has hands underneath. That is always what I think of
with that of just like, oh, no, something's wrong with
that deer. But that's really cool that that kind of originated,
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sort of the prototype of it originated in your kind
of hometown there.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
The other one I really like is Apple Devil, which
is a West Virginia one.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
West Virginia's got so many good, little little weird ones.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I did a encyclopedia on every single one of them
from West Virginia, and the book itself ended up being
I think over five hundred pages.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Of just I just hear West Virginia ones, West.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Virginia cryptids and paranormal.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Entities, and you know, I think it might be the.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Most haunted state in America.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
It probably it probably is. That checks out.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
But Apple Devils are these little little, short, fat, big
feet that break into people's yards and eat all the
fruit and you know, get anything that's outside that isn't
locked down.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, and they.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
There was a guy who posted a story about it
on I think it was Reddit, of where he saw
one and then it turned invisible and ran away. I
was like, what a fun little guy. He's not bad,
he's just you know.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Getting into stuff. Just a little Bigfoot. Yeah, you know,
reckon up your stuff. Yeah. It's like a kind of
like the grimlin version of Bigfoot. Yeah, and I love that.
That's really cute. I love that it that makes me
wonder since Squonking had to just feel like that too,
I'm like, what a squash, Just a really sad little guy.
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He's just a little sad version of that. He tried
to steal some apples and it went wrong.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
The f you're some fear some beasts or I can't remember,
it's for some beasts or fearsome critters are some of
the most bizarre stories I've come across. Yeah, I know
they're not technically cryptids because they're purposefully made up to
trick people, but I still count them as that because
you know, I'm sure some people actually did believe in.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Them, right exactly. Well, it's kind of sorry to people
who don't already know this is the thing, but like that,
I feel like almost all kids are taking snipe hunting.
At some point, I count that as a cryptid, even
though like maybe it shouldn't be anything I do to
kind of urban legendy, you know, I'm like, I'll count it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Cryptids I think are just modern, you know, mythical creatures
to me, Yeah, because people used to believe in those
two and now you know, we don't, and it changes
over time. Yeah, I'm sure there'll be some of our
you know, famous cryptids now that lend up like that mythologize.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, because I guess that's kind of just the delineations
mythological creatures are where they go. Yeah, that's definitely not real.
Cryptids are. They might be real maybe, So I don't know,
maybe maybe things will shift aroun because I feel like
I feel like NeSSI and Bigfoot and then unicorns used
(19:29):
to be count as the mythical creatures, but now Bigfoot
and Nessy is considered cryptid, but mermaids and unicorns are
still mythical. And I'm just like, why is that the delineation? Yeah,
they're two out of the word herea I guess. Yeah. Yeah,
So I kind of like that we can kind of
define that a little bit because Obviously, you want to
(19:54):
be scientific about your cryptids if you're looking for proof
of them, so you gotta have some kind of way,
which is part of why I really love that you
do these drawings that kind of, you know, show the
anatomy of this stuff. I just like, how would this work?
Do you have like a background in biology?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
No, I'm just I'm just a big nerd and I
love learning about sciences. So sometimes I'll hear a cryptid story,
I'm like, wow, that's really interesting. I wonder what I
could possibly compare it to, and then I'll just read
everything I can about the animal. Yeah, way more than
is reasonable. It's it's honestly a waste of time because
(20:35):
no one cares about the details but me, I think.
But I mean I think it's cool and I absolutely
love that part of it.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So like the frogman, I looked at all the different
species from Ohio and I was just.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like, how do frogs even work?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
And you know, you learn a lot of cool stuff
and then I take what kind of works and put
it into the anatomy study.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I think it's super cool though, because I
mean there's so many different types of frogs too, and
they never specified like what kind of frog, because later
the cops were like, it was an iguana that didn't
have a tail. So that kind of means you get
to kind of like take some liberties with that too
and decide, Okay, so it's not gonna be like a
was it the green eyed tree frog? Because that lives
(21:20):
in the rainforest, So like, were you like looking at
specific like frogs like from Ohio to kind of figure
out Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, and then I'll i won't exactly copy it, but
you know, I'll take a lot of uh, I'll steal
a lot of the real things identity.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, and then like if it has an ability, you're like, okay,
so how would that work in this anatomy?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, And a lot of times there's just like, well,
I don't have any answer for that one. There was
a bigfoot that could make your car stop working. He
like they electronics malfunction.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
I was just like I don't know how to make
that sciencey at all?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Electric manna wage? Yeah, I was like what do eels do?
Speaker 3 (22:06):
And then I was just like, you know what, I'm
not smart enough to understand this this paper.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's actually uh. In the last couple of years, they
finally found where electric eels go to breed and it's
in the Bermuda triangle, and I was like, oh my gosh,
is that way everything malfunction is there? And I don't
think they've you know, done that study yet. But I'm
just like, if the answer to all these mysteries has
been eels all along, I'm gonna lose it. That's amazing.
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I would love that.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I would I would not stop talking about that. I
wanted to be a scientific illustrator, but whenever I signed
up for all my classes, they were like, oh, you
have to do studies from a morgue.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Oh wait, I d okay.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
So I'm very happy that I get to, you know,
do a fake version of it, and then I also
get to choose whatever I want.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's things like the Jersey Devil
where it's kind of a bunch of animals smashed in one,
so you have to get like, I'm sure pretty kind
of creative how that flows together too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Well, you know, there's a balance between like me just
having fun and then also giving people like the representation
that they are looking for stuff like that. They have
Everyone has a pretty clear idea of what they want
it to look like. Yeah, and it's the same with
the moth man. The descriptions are nothing.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Like the statue or are really cute.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Drawings of them. But yeah, it means a lot to people.
He look the way they wanted to, right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Yeah. Well, because everyone has like their own idea in
mind of what that cryptid looks like. That's why you
end up with so many debates over certain ones. It's
I don't know. I think it's funny how many cryptis
that they just go like, I don't know, it was
a bear. I'm like, they don't. Yeah, it doesn't look
like a bear. That's kind of mosman. I'm even like,
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kind of looks more like an owl in a moth. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I think the debunking I think was that he was
a sand hill crane, which is interesting, Okay, sure.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't. I mean, who knows. I wasn't there. I
wasn't there could have been anything. It might have been
a weather balloon. Why not. Everything's a weather balloon or bears.
There's no other answers.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
I think the most controversial art drawing as I do,
or the Bigfoot category, is people are very passionate.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
About about bigot big encounters and there's so many bigfoot too.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
That's one thing I actually love about about it because
then I have so many different times I can redraw it.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
Uh huh. It's never exactly what you know someone wants,
never the same thing were you saying. Somebody like tried
to like fight with you about like what bigfoot looks like.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It's come up, or I'll I'll have a conversation with
someone and they're like, this isn't true about bigfoot at all,
and they have to be like, well, none of this
stuff I'm making is real, Like, yeah, this is this
is all to me. You know, this is just interpretations
and art.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
It's going by what's out there and what it might
look like.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, I think sometimes I might come off with the
wrong impression of coming from this is what I saw,
But yeah, I have to always make sure this is fantasy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Well, and also you're never gonna be able to draw
exactly what you know they saw. You're not a what
is the word for that? Sket chartist? I wouldn't have
set chartists something like that. Yeah, like that's what we're
trying to do. Yeah, because that's the interest thing about
like Braxi is like some of the first art of
Braxi was they had a sket chartist do it. But like,
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that's not your job. Your job is to make it
fun and you know, work in some elements of reality
of like here's how this might work. You know, I
just think it's really cool. I'm going through all of
your art and looking at all of because I have
a bunch of these around my house. Actually I'm relisting.
I have a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I'm sure whenever I see you next time, I'll just
give you some. I always have so many prints that
I just give to everyone who likes it. I'm a
terrible business person, I will say.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
That I am, as well. I'm not. I mean, I'm
not really a business person. It's not like I get
paid to do radio or anything like that. I do
this for fun. And in the same way, you make
these creatures for fun, Like it's I don't think you'd
be doing it and making so many bigfoots if you
weren't having fun doing Yeah, Bigfoot, I have a love
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hate relationship with it.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
But you know, I guess when it comes down to it,
Bigfoot might be my favorite to draw. Yeah, well, I
do always come back to it, and you get to
do so many different versions, do you do you have
like a favorite version of Bigfoot, probably the Grassman, which
I'm getting ready to do my redo of him, because
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the Frogman and the Grassman were my first illustrations.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Really, it was maybe seven or.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Eight years ago now, and then the process has changed
so much since then. Yeah, but those were like my
more local creatures, so they, you know, were more special.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I clicked this thing. It might have been your first
grassman drawing, but it's the whirling whirling wimpass.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Yeah, that was a that was from my BFA thesis
and I did a coloring book that showed all the
different cryptids from Appalachia.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Mm hmm. Yeah. Here it is the myths and monsters.
And I love that you have the correct pronunciation written
on the Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I went to school in Alaska and everyone pronounced it
a certain way. They would tell me I was pronouncing
it wrong.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Oh no, be like, listen here Appalaysia. Yeah, Appalachia Is
that the how they pronounced it. I'm like, it's Appalachia. Yeah.
That's the whole thing with having like Louisville closer here.
I'm always like, just don't try to pronounce it at all.
Just go Louisville. Just drop some letters in there. You're
probably close enough. It's fine.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You did your whole final thesis on all cryptids though, too.
I did.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
I was really homesick and my my mom had sent
me a care package from home and it had a
Mothman t shirt from the first time they'd ever gone
to it was when it was first starting been a
few years, and I wore it to class one day
and everyone was asking me questions about what's the Mothman? Yeah,
and then it just got me thinking, there's a lot
of really weird man.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
So I did the public monster, Mothman, and Grassman, and
I would just tell everyone about it and draw pictures,
and then for my thesis, I just use them as
the figures and my whole you know, gallery show about
why we tell stories and how they're important to us.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah. Did they like kind of in turn, like share
stories about Alaska with you too? Did you find any
like cool Alaska? Really?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
One one person did, but it wasn't in response to that.
It was maybe a couple of years earlier of a
it's kind of like a seal that has a human face.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Oh, I don't remember very well. I heard a lot
of cryptids stories from Alaska. That sounds like that's probably
why they were scared. You've got all the good stories.
I think maybe Alaska is already like scary enough to
begin with. It's beautiful, but yeah, beautiful, cold can be dark.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Yeah, the northern lights are amazing. I actually liked the
darkness all day.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
That was pretty. Did it make you more or less?
I'm more of a night person, so that was same meat. Yeah,
you just got so much color. I don't remember what
I was looking for now. Now I'm just scrolling through
all of this, even though I've looked through it before.
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So I guess your favorite cryptid it's a frogman. It's
actually it's not my favorite. My favorite's probably Braxie. I
really like Braxi, just because Braxi came, did her thing
and then just left and like nobody's really seen her
again since then, and I'm like, I really appreciate that
about her. Where she had a mission and she irradiated
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everybody and then she left. Yeah, I made everyone sick. Yeah,
was just like, all right, bye, guys, I'm done. Because
people are still seeing like Mothman around and stuff. Pokemon Go.
People said they've seen the Frogman and stuff as well,
So like I feel like other cryptois lingermore. She was
just like bye guy, catch an ex millennia or whatever.
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I really appreciate that. Which It was funny because everyone
always thinks that Mothman's my favorite, just because Mothman is
the most popular by far, I'm like, Mathman is my
most favorite cryptoid from West Virginia. Yeah, there's so many
good ones. There's so many options, and I love pretty
much all of them. There's just there's so many, so
many cool ones. I feel like Mathman kind of does
have like some of the most lore these days. Just
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because Mathman has gotten so popular and because of Mathman prophecies,
you've got so many eyewitness accounts. I feel like the
other lower for your other cryptis maybe isn't like built
up as much, but I think that that like gives
people more opportunity to kind of get creative with it,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Yeah, I love the deep cuts, the ones no one's
ever heard of that has just one sentence attribute to
attributed to it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, you're my favorite.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, whenever I get to them, I will name them
sometimes and.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Some don't even have names. They're just like this little
thing that we saw or there. What are some of
the ones you've gotten to name?
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Someone told me about a giant frog that used to
live in the I think it's the Black Swamp in Ohio, which.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
They drained intern of the black Swamp.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, so I named him pop frog because it was
so big. When he opened his mouth, it would say
pop yeah, or he would pop.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Out of the ground. And I loved him. And then
there was a.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
I'm calling him from now on, yeah and yeah. Frogs
are also my favorite animal. So I gotta get onto
this before someone else takes it.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Right exactly, all right? You named the pop frog? You
heard it here, it's the pop frog.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
It's me. There also was a giant bat that someone
saw flying over Cabwalingo Park in West Virginia, and it
was like, it's a vampire.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's a giant vampire bats.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
So I named that one Pippy San Guizagag because it
sounded like, oh did European and it just means this
blood drinker bad.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I love that. Yeah, well, then you get like Pippy
for short. How Braxton County Monster is braxy like I love.
I love when we can give it a good nickname
because I feel like that catches on. I love that.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
That's one of my favorite things, just making up real,
real dumb names.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Well, I love it. We're just it's pop Frog from
now on, or see how many how much we can
get that to catch on. It's got to make sure.
Was it mean girls where she's like trying to make
fetch happen. We're making pop frog happen. Yeah. The more
people who get on board with it now, the better.
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Are there any other fun little ones that maybe people
don't know about, that you've heard about, that you've been drawing.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
There's another thing I do that's they some people like,
some people don't like, is I'll make species because there'll
be mini in the same area. Yeah, they get attributed
to the same creature, but when you read them, they're
vastly different. So for example, lake Erie has you know,
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probably close to thirty different encounter stories yep, and they
all could be completely different things. One of my favorites
is this one that's described sort of like a prey
pleasia stord, but it has eyes the size of an
egg ostrich egg specifically wow impenetrable copper scales like a long,
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thin serpentine neck.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, that doesn't sound like the classic Bessie,
but that's like it's like TURBOONESSI Yeah, I saw. I'm like,
he's gotta be called egg eyes. Yeah, you know, so.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Just been like I'll I have this big nerdy spreadsheet
and I'll start being like it's between these sizes, these colors,
and then I'll just start you know.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
And Lake Erie also.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Has this little tiny fish that has three big teeth
and it punctured someone's ankle once.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Oh that was cool. The Lake Erie chomper. Yeah, chump chump.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I'm glad I didn't name that one because that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Yeah. Lake Erie was probably the most appropriately named of
the Great Lakes. Yeah, second going down there or yeah,
Lake Erie, and then Lake Superior because Lake Speary is
the best Lake two swimen, but Lake Erie is definitely
the most eerie. Ohio has two species of bigfoot that
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have glowing eyes as well. Yeah. What are they. I'm
trying to think of the name some of them or
have they been named yet? They're orange eyes and green eyes.
Orangees and green eyes. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, the orange eyes is connected to alien stories, which
I haven't done a whole lot of reading on them yet,
but and they're often seen in graveyards and I think
northeastern Ohio, which is fun.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
And then there's.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Green Eyes, which is kind of exactly the same except
he has green eyes.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's one of the other things
that I think is super interesting about cryptids is sort
of some people are like, that's definitely extraterrestrial. Some people
are like, no, that's definitely paranormal, and some are like,
this is definitely just some weird creature from Earth and
something's wrong with it, like.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
The Fresno night Crawler. It could be alien, it could
be like a subterranean thing.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Yeah, they're so fun. Like the Mongolian death worm. People
are like, that's definitely terrestrial. It doesn't have to be.
But everyone seems to think like, yeah, that's terrestrial. But
then like Braxi, they're like, that's definitely an alien.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I wonder if it's they think it appears more intelligent
or something.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Yeah, maybe that's what it is, because that's kind of
thing like Chupacabra is always like associated with aliens too,
you know, like bloodsucking cows and beaming things up and
stuff like that too. Which I think is interesting because
I feel like chep a cobra out of so many creatures,
is like that could just be a weird Earth creature.
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It doesn't hurt a lot have to be an alien.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I've heard it as like an alien experiment on Earth animals.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
That would be cool that that kind of makes sense
of like kind of split the difference there. Yeah, there's
like some there's a few cryptism that I actually think
they could exist. Do you know about alien big cats?
Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, So there's an animal called the Appalachian black.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Panther, which I know about those. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, so it's just it's a cat that does exist,
just not in our area.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah, So like that one I could believe in.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, and then a lot of the deep sea ones,
I think those are very plausible.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
We can't get down there, they might just be down there,
maybe we just yeah, I mean giant squid turned out
to exist when we definitely did not think they existed.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
Yeah, there's there was also a freshwater octopus. I came
across and researching West Virginia, and there's tons of dates
of people finding these octopuses living in or octopi living
in lakes and rivers in the area. They probably were
dumped pets, but still.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Like it's something that was kind of cool. Yeah, yeah,
I love I love the idea too of cryptids having
this sort of like almost urban legend kind of mythology too,
of like a friend of mine wants one an iguana
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from the fair and they were like, you can't take this,
like you're not actually supposed to be able to win these,
but she got it anyway, and it got out, and
like years after that, people were seeing this iguana like
on the road, which is like they're there's no way
that survived. But it became this like urban legend of
people like saw this iguana that was like supposedly still
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alive when it's like there's no way that could have
survived winter. Yeah, stuff like that. If but what if
and what if it got bigger and mutated a little bit,
and now we've got you know, there we go, local
cryptid just iguana from the fair. I've heard that goat
man too, where they were like, oh it was someone
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who ran away from the circus, yeah, or a farmer
that made a deal with the devil. Yeah, I've heard
that one like five goat man. Goat man like Mothman
is heavy on lore, but they're all very different lore.
Like I feel like the mothmanlare kind of goes together
for the most part. Goat Man Laura is just like
it could be this, this, this, this, or it could
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be Jimmy's cousin, you know, Craig, and I'm just like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (39:55):
Goat Man is the darkest cryptid.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, goat Man is. When people say they want to
go looking for goat Man, I'm like, you probably just
shouldn't because there's no situation where that ends. Well, either
you get hit by the train or you actually find
him and he has an axe. So yeah, yeah, there's
no wedding. Goatman is not one you would want to
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find if the legends are true.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
No, I mean when I was that was a story
I heard as a kid. Yeah, if you were like
outside at night when you weren't supposed to be, like,
the Goatman would like sing to you kind of like
a say, I guess a sator. You had like these qualities,
he would lull you into danger.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yeah. Have you read sort of the like more modern
legends of the Goatman where he'd you in the party
and he has to like kind of mimic people's voices
and like people always count the party wrong and stuff too. No,
but that sounds that sounds really scary because I can
find it. I think I'm pretty sure it was just
like an ar no Sleep story, so like it wasn't
like something like this happened, but I read it and
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it was like such a good addition to the lore
that I was like, that's so creepy that you're with
your party and you keep counting one extra person but
you can't tell who the extra person is because everybody
just looks like your friends. I was like, that is
so creepy. I love that. Yeah, that's genius. Yeah, if
I can find that story, I'll send you it because
I'm pretty sure I read that a few years back
and I was like, this is really good. Whoever added
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that to the goat man lore? If I can find
that story again, thank you. Scare the crap out of me.
I have that fear now whenever I'm hiking and camping.
It's it's funny.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Whenever you're outside at night, it's ten times more terrifying.
Because I don't believe in anything paranormal, but when I'm
outside at night, by myself.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
You don't not believe I'm on edge. I uh well,
because you probably you know, being from Avalachia, you probably
like also grew up with that, Like you know, you
don't whistle at night, especially not when you're outdoors. All
that weird old lore and like, when I think about it,
I mean that blatch and hills are so old. Like
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everyone's like, oh, the mountains out west are so big
and pretty, and they are, but they're not terrifying in
the way that the hills of aplatcha are. They're mountains,
they're just they're flatter because they're older and scarier. Yeah,
it feels older too. I don't know what it is
exactly the way.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I guess it's been smoothed down by plants in time.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
It just feels different to me. It feels like, I
don't know, nature has one in some way, and that
I'm not supposed to be there. Yeah, like this is
nature's space and I'm not supposed to be here, and
I should maybe leave the creatures there alone so that
they maybe they'll leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Yeah, it's it's my favorite mountains in the whole world. Yeah,
I'm so glad that I you know, moved back here.
I could not live without seeing the mountains every day.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, you're like northern lights, that's cool, but I miss
the mountains. Yeah every morning. Uh, you know how it
gets really foggy. My dad used to always say it's
the groundhogs making coffee, and I always think about that
when I drive by. Well, I'm gonna be thinking about
that every time i'm driving through the fog now, because usually,
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like when I'm driving there, I'm just like, yes, I'm
going to Silent Hell today.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Oh it was like the story about you know, groundhogs
still still your camping equipment, and.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
They're like little people that live underground. They really are.
I love them. Yeah maybe yes, I just love everything.
I guess. Okay, creatures are just cool. I think that's
really what it comes down to. All creatures are cool,
whether they're paranormal or extraterrestrial or just like a little
guy in the ground. Yeah, good or bad. I like them. Yeah,
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they're really cool. I'm like thinking now, I'm like, are
there any groundhog cryptids? I don't think there are. I
don't think there are. I mean the fog ones.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
I'm definitely going to do a study on the fog
coffee camping, groundhogs, the ground fogs.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
I'm trying to mix groundhog and fog together. There's a
way to make that work. Fog hogs. That that just
doesn't sound good. No, yeah, it doesn't. All right, You'll
come up with a way better name than that. Yeah,
oh god.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
There's also there's like sometimes it's just creepy superstitions like
don't bury your dead near the river mm hmmm, and
there'll be no monster attached to it. But even that's
fun to just speculate, like why.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
Yeah, well, in the old days, you weren't supposed to
bring mirrors around dead bodies as well, and things like that,
like their soul could get trapped in there. Like there's
all kinds of fun, weird old lore that if you
still talk to like people who live out in all
there's a lot of them still believe that stuff. And
I'm not gonna tell them they're wrong, no, and I'm
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you know, I'll do it for them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
It makes me feel better whenever around them, because you know,
you get that feeling of like what if what if
I don't stop three times?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Background exactly? It's like I'm not superstitious, but I'm not
not superstitious, a little stitches, just semi stitches. It's just
what if I don't do it and something bad actually
does happen. Not that it's actually from that, but what
if I jinx myself.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Always thought that it reminds me kind of of Fay
folklore from.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, yeah, I think that's like a lot of the
apalache lare like. That is very Fay like of you
have to know exactly the right protocol and etiquette, and
I think that's super interesting.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
There's just a ton of weird cultural things too, like
death crowns.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
That was interesting and creepy because we went to the
Appalachian History Museum time when we were going through Tennessee
and just to see all the death practices interesting and unusual.
But the pillow thing just have a full display of
these twisted balls of feather, and I think it meant
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that the person who passed away went to heaven. It's
been a bit so I don't remember exactly, but there's
just hundreds of them in this case. Wow is I
guess it's just frilled up pieces from the pillow itself,
but I don't know how they form exactly, but it
is weird.
Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah, that's really cool though. I just I love any
Cole weird lore. You this is such a random thing.
But talking about Appalachia, do you know about the Kentucky
meat Shower?
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Not, well, I've heard the name, but I don't know
anything about it.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
It was let mean, double check the year on it,
because I always forget what year it happened. But basically
a bunch of meat rained from the sky and they
never really got an answer on why. It was kind
of like gelatinous and it never happened again, but it
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just happened this one time, and they were like, what
in the world is in Bath County, Kentucky eighteen seventy six.
So it was weird enough that it got in the
newspaper and there was just these weird, like gelatinous things,
just chunks of meat, and sort of the best guess
that they had was that it was possibly like vultures
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regurgitating or something, but it has never happened since then.
It's just for several minutes there was just a bunch
of meat raining down from the sky. Bizarre. Yeah, And
I was like, that's one of those things that I
kind of wish had a festival. But I also don't
want it to be a festival, yeah, because you know,
(47:55):
the event would have to happen be like, all right,
it's the meat shower at time, and I'm just like
throwing dogs and people or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
Yeah, and that's not really a hoax that pays off either,
it does not.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
That's why I'm like, there, of all the things that
that could be, there's no way it was just somebody
pulling a prank because how and why. Yeah, it'd be
the best prank because they didn't get found out. But yeah,
I mean eighteen seventy six, it was in a like
one hundred by five hundred yard area, and that's why
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it's like that would have had to have been like
a lot of vultures. So maybe they were all in
the same thing that was like gone wrong or something.
But they're supposed to be able to eat things that
have gone bad, so I don't I don't know. I
think they do up to a certain point. Or maybe
someone poison them. There was like a TikTok or something
where a couple kids fed h seagulls laxatives. Oh no, yeah,
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maybe it was a that sort of situation. It could
be oh gosh, birds already don't need any help with that. No, no,
oh gosh, no, I just feel bad for those poor seagulls. Yeah,
poor guys. I'm actually more amazed there's not more like
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seagull cryptids because they're a little bit horrifying. They'll steal
anything from you. They're brave, they are.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
I love them too. My partnery lived on Virginia Beach,
so I go and just visit the seagulls. Pelicans. Pelicans
are terrifying.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
Pelicans are horrifying. Pelicans are seagulls but with a giant
like backpack built in. They're so terrifying, and they're like,
I guess it's storks that people say like deliver babies.
I'm like, those are also a little bit terrifying, the
idea that they're just carrying around babies, like pelicans are
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like pterodactyls but small. I feel like, yeah, that's accurate.
You know, I'm actually surprised that. But uh, most people
think that narballs are cryptid, but they're real. I'm surprised
more people don't think like a platypus is encryptied because
it does not seem like it should be real.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
It feels like the fur bearing trout, Like, yeah, someone
just made it.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Someone slapped a couple of animals together, called it a
day and made it venomous.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
Yeah, because it's a mammal that lays eggs and has
web feet and a bill and venom spurs.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
And it's just like, no, no, that's not how that works. No,
any of that works. I love that though. Bad.
Speaker 3 (50:38):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, So you have a book coming out on August fifth, right,
I do. It's called Cryptid Creatures. There's a line on there.
I don't remember what it is.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
It's a very long one, like how to Draw Mysterious
Creatures around the World maybe, but the title is Cryptid Creatures.
Speaker 2 (50:58):
Cryptid Creatures Learn how to Draw Mysterious Beasts from around
the World. I had to pull it up. Yeah, it right. Yeah,
But there are thirty five different tutorials in it, and
I tried to get as many as I could in there.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
So there's your classics like Mothman and Bessie, and then
I've got deer Man, one of my favorites, a couple
of Bigfoot, you know, a good variety, and then and
I have all the basics of how to draw and
my like special chapter is about how I use real
animals to draw them, and I have some reference sheets
in there. So it's a project I've tried to put
(51:33):
as much love into as possible. Yeah, all of my passions.
And is there still a pre order up for it?
Or is that over?
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:45):
You can go to my instagram it's valor even Underscore Folklore,
and then you can click the pre order link. So
did you get your pre order? And you should get
a confirmation code and then you go to the same link.
It's on a link tree and you fell out this
little email and then you'll get.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
Five extra tutorials. Yeah, and that's until August fifth. Until
August fifth, okay, Yeah, so I was like making sure
the pre order is still running, so everyone can pre
order it right now and it will come out on
August fifth. And it looks like on here the pre
orders are through Barnes and Noble as well. So yeah,
so that's super cool. Everyone can get a little bit
(52:23):
more en Cryptids in their life. And also, like, even
just what you've posted of it so far is so
so cute. I keep wanting to turn my iPad around
to show everybody because you're on video and I'm like,
you know what this looks like. Everybody who's listening you
don't know what this looks like, but go to Instagram
because I can't hold my iPad up to you. It
is so so cute. And then you've got a few
(52:44):
more festivals you're doing this year as well. Front Manifest
already happened, but your next one you're at Squankapalooza, right.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Yeah, squanka Plooza is a great time. And then I
think two weeks after that, I'm going to Murphreesburro for
the Fearsome Folk There Festival. And then of course there's
the Mothman Festival not long after that.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
Classic and probably going to that when this Yrsel'll see
you there. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
And then I'm going to a Pennsylvania one the I
think it's called albat which day.
Speaker 2 (53:18):
Oh, I haven't heard of that one. He is a
bigfoot that throws apples at you. Oh yeah, they love
that fruit, just like us. Yeah, they're just like us.
They're just like us. Big, They're just like us, but big.
I love that. Well, awesome, it's been so good talking
(53:39):
to you. You already mentioned all of your social media,
but it's Valley Raven Underscore folklore. Again, everyone can priorder
your book. Is there anything else we need to tell
people to look at?
Speaker 3 (53:51):
Oh no, I don't have I do a podcast myself,
but it is very silly, so you have to come
into it with that in mind. I think that's a
good thing. A true documentaries about gryptids.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
I love that it is.
Speaker 3 (54:05):
It is such a fun hobby to just you know,
pool around. Yeah, make animal make animal noises in my room.
And I'm sure my neighbors hate me.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Your neighbors are like, how many pets do you have?
Speaker 3 (54:18):
I'm doing a big foot episode, you know, I'm just
like making gorilla noises.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Perfecting that bigfoot call. Yeah, awesome, Well, thank you so much. Everyone.
Be sure to check out your podcast as well to
listen for your bigfoot noises. That's very important. And pre
order your book. And we're gonna try just following some
of your drawing tutorials soon. And I'm really excited to
draw some frogs. I can't wait to see it. I'm
(54:45):
so bad at drawing frogs, even though I love them,
so I'm actually that's why I was like, frog Gun's
gonna be the best pick. I'm terrible drawing frogs, so
I'm excited. Their feet is the hardest part.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, at that angle, how they're walking, how they're really
spread their toes.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Yeah hard, it's very hard. Awesome. On that note, I
think we're gonna sign off for the night. So yeah,
thank you so much for having me on. Thank you
so much for coming on, and good night and good luck.
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