November 27, 2025 • 59 mins
This week on Strange Talk, Alyx and Vayne crack open the dusty vault of hometown folklore and trade stories from their shared stomping grounds of Loveland, Ohio; from ghost hunts gone sideways to mysterious sculptures in the woods, deer mistaken for demons, and the long-whispered tales of lantern-carrying figures stalking old railroad beds. They dig into childhood rumors, half-true warnings from adults, haunted lakes full of buried debris, and the ever-present Loveland Frog looming over it all.
Midway through the chaos, Mrs. Creep from Creepy Confidential calls in to add her own eerie story and insight, helping piece together why so many small towns grow such big legends. It’s an open-lines night of nostalgia, night hikes, questionable decisions, and the stories that keep us looking over our shoulders long after the streetlights come on.
Grab a flashlight, and maybe check behind you, because these local legends don’t always stay local.
Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, No Shame by RELIC, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek
Midway through the chaos, Mrs. Creep from Creepy Confidential calls in to add her own eerie story and insight, helping piece together why so many small towns grow such big legends. It’s an open-lines night of nostalgia, night hikes, questionable decisions, and the stories that keep us looking over our shoulders long after the streetlights come on.
Grab a flashlight, and maybe check behind you, because these local legends don’t always stay local.
Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro by Star Silk, No Shame by RELIC, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
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by Star Silk. I'm your host, Alex and Vane. Do
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I still gotcha?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yes? I'm here?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yay, yay. No technical difficulties this time? Is it radio
if there's not technical difficulties though? But yeah, we're doing
a little bit of open lines tonight, and we're talking
all about you know, hometown urban legends, you know the
things that people's different hometowns have that you know, the
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kids whisper about and the adults don't want you to
talk about, but you do it anyway, and you double
dare each other to go, you know, look in the
old creepy abandoned house and stuff like that. Uh, you know,
I just realize, I don't know if I've ever given
people our number, our call a number I always post
on our social media, but if you ever want to
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but yeah, Vain, I especially wanted you on with me
for this because you and I both grew up in
Loveland with the Loveland Frog.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yes, yes, we did, yes.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And that's a not even necessarily the creepiest part of Loveland.
We used to go ghosts outing all the time as
like teenagers and stuff like that. And we've just we've
seen some weird stuff together.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I think we've seen them like a lot of weird stuff, really.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, paranormal and not just a lot of weird. I
do you remember this one time when we were hiking
in the woods around dusk and we both were suddenly
like we have to get out of here before nightfall.
This feels wrong. And then we looked over and we
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saw two baby deer and we were like, oh, no,
that means that the parent is around here somewhere. Really,
we got to get out of these woods.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I know, we thought it was like a paranormal thing,
but really it was just like, oh, there's a buck
here something.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, it was we might get demolished by a deer
right now. We were like, the ghosts are gonna get us.
And then we look over and there's a deer.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, very very scary in comparison to a ghost. I
don't want to get goured by a deer, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean a ghost with antlers is equally terrifying, honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, but for different reasons.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah. Yeah, And that was That was in the woods
and Loveland. I feel like we've just had all kinds
of experiences all around Loveland. It wasn't even necessarily things
that were like urban folklore like our stories to us,
it was just we just had all these weird experiences.
And maybe it is part of like a bigger picture
where like a bunch of people have had those same
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experiences in those locations. I have no idea did you
Did you ever go out to the poles? Do you
remember the polls?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
The pole? I'm not sure. Maybe what is it?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It was like right outside of town there were these.
It was it was next to what I was told
was an old nunnery, so I guess an abbot. And
if you went all the way back on this trail,
it overlooked the river and there were all these just
telephone poles with no tops on them at varying heights
sticking out of the ground. And right next to it
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was a tiny graveyard with tombstones for a bunch of
different nuns, and then they had Hindu prayer flags hung up.
It was very weird.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, I did not go to see that. That's really neat, though.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I feel like that was one of the like kind
of like urban legends that we had in Sincy because
like or rather in Loveland, because nobody could ever tell
me like why they existed, and like I spent forever
looking online trying to figure out what these were, and
finally I found what it was. It's an outdoor sculpture.
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It was commissioned by the Grail, a Catholic laywoman's organization
in Loveland, Ohio, and It is a sculpture by Robert Wilson,
and it has six hundred and seventy six tele fumbles.
But this used to not be on his website, so
I couldn't find anything about it. But yeah, I guess
it was premiered in nineteen sixty eight. And you can
kind of see if you look this up that it
kind of that kind of like peaks up in height. Yeah,
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so you can. You can kind of climb up it.
You're not really supposed to. But if you go on
his website, you'll see a bunch of naked people sitting
on them and stuff because they took a bunch of
pictures in the sixties, you know, like you do. But
it's so funny because you know, us as kids, we
would go out there and we're like this is so creepy.
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Who did this and why? And it's just it's just
a guy making art.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I mean, that's like half of like childhood fantasies, you know,
where you're like, oh my goodness, what is this really
scary thing? And it's just a adults expressing themselves and telephone.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I mean, it didn't help that like when we would
go out to see these poles, like it would be
in like the middle of the night. Like I remember
going out there in the middle of the night in winter,
so we're like crunching through the snow going all the
way back there to this and we're like, why are
all these just like poles sticking out of the ground.
Super weird, but it was cool to finally yeah. Yeah,
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but finally getting closure on that was super cool because
you don't always get closure on some of those like
weird urban legends. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I mean it's also cool just to be like, oh,
look there's actual cool art and yeah, now that terrifies children.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
More artists should make art that terrifies children. That that's
the official stance of strange. Did you did you have
any like urban legends like that that you remember from
Loveland like growing up there.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean, I don't know if this loved one specific,
but if you remember he remember it was it the
minor forty niner or whatever where they were joking and
they were saying that on the bike trail there was
a man with a lantern. Oh that would that would
haunt you? Yeah? So like okay, it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was like so like Minty like from Scooby Doo.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I don't know I think I called it the minor,
but that's not what.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You add to the lore supposed to be. Yeah, I mean,
to be fair, he does carry a lantern around, so.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, and I think that's why I associated with the
Minor forty nine er.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
But the whole thing was like, if.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You went on the bike trail at night and you
were alone, uh, there was a chance that you'd see
this man with a lantern and if he caught Like,
if he caught you, he'd kill you.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That's really funny. I've never heard that one. I think
this is that's the interesting thing about local legends is
like even growing up there, we're gonna hear different ones.
But that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, Like I lived next to the bike trail, so
for me, that's true. You know. I think in that
situation it was kind of probably my father warning me,
like in his own way. Yeah, but like all the
adults nearby too, were like, yeah, when I was growing up,
there used to be a train that ran through here,
and everyone knew that you didn't go on the train
tracks at night or else the man with the lantern
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would get you.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah. The what Vain dubbed the Minor forty nine or
vain just added to the store.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I called him in my head, but I was like,
I don't know what his actual name was supposed to be,
but it was this guy with the lantern, and I
think my brain just assumed Minor forty nine er made sense.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't know, that's really funny.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But yeah, that's not all the adults, because it was
my It was a war thing from my dad's generation.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah. Well, and to be fair, the bike trail is
built over old railroad tracks, so that part is true,
Like there's usually some drop of truth in any of
these urban legends. So I mean you could still see the.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Old railroad actually in Camp Dennison. Yeah, so the pathway
there's parts where they're still old railroad.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. I do remember there being
a lot of stories about Camp Dennison because that was
supposed to be super haunted. And I remember the lake there.
I remember. I think it was you who told me
that there were like planes and stuff at the bottom
of the lake.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Oh yeah, the the big old lake reservoir thing. Yeah,
that's another thing from my dad's generation, where it used
to be like a big old hole in the ground
essentially where they were gathering different materials, and then they
started using as a dumping ground and they fell it
in and made it a lake, and then people would
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go in and swim in the lake, but the stuff
was still in there.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, that's creepy. U were there divers there that?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Is that how they knew that there was this stuff
at the bottom.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, they had divers that go down there. You have
to get like a permit thing to do everything in
that water though.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure you need your tennis
shots up to date.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I'm trying to think of what the name is for
this place, but it's a weird one, for sure. It's
hold on, I'm trying here because it talks to you
about love one and we start talking about we started
talking about this instead.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Well it's any any city's, you know, local legends. I
just figured love when we both grew up there, So
I was like, I'm sure that we had a bunch
that we've forgotten about.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I think it's the Great Grand Valley Nature Preserve because
it used to not be a a nature preserve at all.
That used to be a oh yeah, and see there's
even a little warning here, no before you go access
is restricted. It's not open to the general public. You
have to be a a citizen. A citizen I get
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like a citizen of the of the city thing an
Indian Hill citizens specifically not just owned by Indian Yes, yeah,
you know towns person.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Is that a better howard? I don't know the citizen works.
It's fine. It just sounded funny of like you must
be a citizen, any citizen.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Like any any citizen. No, No, it's it's very specific
to Camp Dennis and slash Indian Hill people. And there
was a whole shebang around it because Camp Dennison wanted
to be its own thing. They couldn't be. I don't know, Lore,
not Loveland Lore.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I mean that's that's fine too. I mean, uh, I'm
trying to think. I feel like Loveland never had any
of those of like I feel like the classic stories
are like hook on the car door handle or like
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some kind of like Devil's Bend where like a car crash.
And now every so often when you drive through there
you'll see high beams or like we didn't have any
stories about like a lady in white or someone haunting
a bridge or anything like that. Oh, I do remember
there was a story about the railroad tracks, though I
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have no idea who told me this or if there's
any truth to it. But do you know where the
railroad tracks go across Branch Hooguinea Pike down in Old Loveland, Aye? Yeah,
how it kind of goes up and then back down
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So I was told this story. I have no idea
if there's any truth to it. I never looked it
up because I did not remember it until just this moment.
I'm pretty sure this is probably just an urban legend
in all kinds of towns. But supposedly the story I
was told is that one time a bus got stuck
on the tracks there and got hit and kids died.
That should be easy to look up and verify. I
just hadn't thought about it until just now, so we'll
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look that up. But the story I was told was
then somebody's car got stuck on the tracks and like
it like it died, and they got stuck and where
it goes up and down on the other side, like
they couldn't get it to move, and so they were
freaking out because the train was coming. When suddenly their
car just suddenly like kind of moved and went down
the other side of the railroad tracks. And they said
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that when they got out of the car and looked
on the back, they could see handprints, like children's handprints
on the back of their trunk, like the kids had
pushed the car.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Oh yeah, that's an old Uh that's like a really
old urbane.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Uh huh. And it just I just remembered like somebody
in Loveland told me that story, and I was like,
I don't, this is this is You've took this from
somewhere else, because there would be records of like a
school bus, you know, getting hit by a train.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I mean, so there actually was a wreck on the
on the tracks, but it was like four months ago,
so I don't and I don't a bus full of
children didn't die, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
They went back in time to tell me this story
when we were like teenagers. It's a time traveling ghost story.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I don't see anything specific here. Uh it says, Yeah,
it says in August thirteen, twenty twenty five, a school
bus of four two kids and one adult flipped over.
But that was in Texas, so like it gave me
a Texas result, So I don't actually.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You know, I don't Loveland, Texas.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, I think that's one of those national war things,
you know, like one of those little warning things.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, No, I'm sure that's I'm sure that's
what it was. But like I wish I remember who
told me that story. I feel like most of like
the stories like that that we were told in Loveland
all centered around the railroad tracks. I don't know if
you remember when we did presentations. Was it in creative
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writing class?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And I did one all about the Peters Cartridge Factory
because that was like one of the big urban legend
things for us, even though it wasn't technically in Loveland,
it was outside of it. But it is this old
abandoned munitions factory that used to produce munitions during the
Civil War, and kids would always go and investigate it,
except we were really discouraged from investigating it. I was
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always told that they did swap practices in there. I
have no idea if that's true. Never looked it up
since I was a teenager, kind of forgot about it,
except for there was one wing that was cut off
from the rest of the building and in there, and
I do know this part was true. They used to
do haunted houses there, and so one year they did
their Halloween haunted house there and then just never cleaned
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it up. And then now the building's rotting with all
these like Halloween decorations inside. So that was the only
part that you could get into, like without getting into trouble. Supposedly.
I definitely knew people that went like all through those
buildings and never encountered Swat or whatever. But we did
this presentation in creative of Riting class, so I did
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all this research on it, and there was actually a
train explosion right outside the Cartridge Factory because some of
the municians went off. So I feel like, yeah, most
of our ghost stories center around the railroad tracks, which
makes sense. It's ripe for you know, accidents to happen.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So also because I was curious about the Peter Cartridge Shenanigans,
see if there was actually anything like Swat base there.
Do they repurpose it to the apartments?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Really? Yes, I do remember them saying they were going.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
To Yeah, it's called the Peter Cartridge Factory apartment.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Creative name nailed it.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I mean I knew they had put a tavern in it,
like they like did like a little you know, like
a food place there. I just didn't know about the apartment.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, I know they were talking about making them like
luxury apartments and having like an ice cream parlor at
the bottom and all kinds of stuff. I didn't know
that any that ever went through because last time I
heard about that, they were talking about doing that, but
I had never seen any like follow up or anything.
But that's that's on me. Apparently I need to google
things more.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Also, these apartments look scary like they didn't really do
the interiors. They look like it looks like a haunted
house but with nice furniture. Like it's not.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Great.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Uh yeah, very expensive.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I mean it's great that they didn't like tear
it down. But yeah, OK, I got to it from
our urban legends. But by the update to this building,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know, the vast sprawl of time moving forward is also,
in its way, an own creepy urban legend of when
you go to visit your hometown, nothing will look the
same as it once.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Did, because it really isn't the same as it once was,
Like it's its own thing now, you know, the version
of you that lived there, no longer lives there, and
the version of the town shouldn't be the same either.
If it is, it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, there's some things that should be kept the same,
Like in Loveland, the kayak place should always be down
by the river there, you know, Old Loveland should always
have the old store fronts, because that's cool to keep
that history alive. But everything else in the town changes constantly.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Oh yeah, oh Loveland. I mean, like I'm sure the
kids now or within a like a generation too, they're
going to look up like the architecture there and they're
going to make up a story about the fire department
and they're going to be like, there's a ghost where
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the Greaters is now because somebody when the fire department
turned down, somebody was there and they died, and now
the ghost.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Did the fire department burn down?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I thought it was the old, old old ones, Like
remember down in old Loveland where those apartments are now
and all the many mini mall things back in the
early two thousands, that used to be an old fire
department and it burned.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Down, really because I knew. The one that I knew
about was I think when we were in high school,
the theater next to the fire department burned down and
they had to call in fire departments from all these
different cities because it was right next door, and so
like they were also trying to make sure their building
didn't catch fire.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well maybe it was both of them. I don't know.
Maybe I know the fire department isn't in Old Lubland anymore.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Really, I haven't been back by there. I know the
theater is still there.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Because I remember when I was a kid, that's where
I got a big old cut on my My cousin
had to get a tentnis shot because we were running
around near the debris and she steps on a nail
because one building burned all the way down.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, I'm looking on the maps to see what's there now.
I'm curious what's changed. That's the thing is, I don't
even have to go back there to go and look.
There's the stage company. Okay, stage companies still where it was.
There's a FedEx truck on Google Maps. I don't know
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when this pictures from. Oh this pictures from July twenty
twenty five, and I still see the fire company there.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You building. I knew a building that burned down, and
that's all I.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Know, oh there was a there was another one back
behind the works that burned down, and I remember everyone
was like, oh yeah, it got found out that the
homeowner said on fire for insurance. I do remember that one.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Was that the one from twenty seventeen, though mm it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Was probably earlier than that, because I remember that happening
when I still lived there. And this is exactly how
urban legends start, is people kind of like don't quite remember,
and then it keeps going and going and going. But
that one would have been right by the fire department.
It would have been by the railroad trucks there too,
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because I do remember driving past that one and seeing
like this just husk of an old house on a hill.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's giving me all the stuff from twenty seventeen. I'm
trying to think of the one that was from like
the early two thousands, and I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, let me Yeah, let's let's see what we can
google here. Let's see what we can find out.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, I mean, okay, well, Dad, say is the theater
thing did burn?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I do remember the theater. Yeah it was they had
gotten new stage lights or no, they got new curtains
and the stage lights caught them on fire.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
This is in two thousand and seven, though I feel
like it was really I don't know, I'm old, what
do I know. The point is that they built these
apartments there, and they built a nice graters, and they
tore down all these other buildings, and so inevitably there's
gonna be some weird ghost story about you know about that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We can make one up right now.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, that's true. Yes, the ghost of h He goes
a poor man is living inside of the graters and
he's angry because he can't have a black raspberry chocolate
ice cream.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yes, and so now he hunts the graters and he burns.
He's a ghost arsonist.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's exactly what he does.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, he wanted ice cream.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
So he just shocks you when you're plug in your
phone into the wall and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, and he's trying to use that to spark the house.
Like the house. So yeah, this is exactly how Harbon
legends are started. We you know, talk about this stuff.
And he goes from there.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And then in reality, some like electrician goes in there
one day and they're like, hey man, you need to
change your outlet. That's the reason why the spark happens
that the reason.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I can't find anything about that house fire, but
I do remember seeing a house burned down that we
used to drive past. I don't know, love one's love
One's weird. It's creepy. It is creepy, and not just
because the frog and not just because of the castle.
Like there's just a weird energy there.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a lot of old
stuff there. Yeah, and there was the railroad obviously, and
not not only the railroad, but there's the bike trail
and mm hmmm. It's an area where a lot of
people have come and gone over the years.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I'm trying to find too, because like I would, I
would see all kinds of like things in the skies
as well. I know that there are supposed to be
some Civil War ghosts that haunt towards corner Road. I
don't know if I can find that again.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I mean, there's a bunch of Civil War like area.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I just that one found a news article. I don't
know if this is really a news article a blog
post that someone wrote that a ghosts followed my family
home after visiting Loveland Castle. That's interesting because I have
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stayed the night at Loveland Castle, and I never saw
anything ghostly there in the slightest like, it did not
feel super haunted or anything. The Loveland Castle. For people
who aren't familiar, Harry Andrews fought and order one. I
think he hold on, let me make sure that's right,
(26:41):
because the stuff the person has here may or may
not be correct. Yeah, okay, yeah. Harry Andrews he built
the uh Loveland Castle from river rock, and he basically
built it prepared to you know, prepared for siege warfare.
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Not that he was like trying to use it. He
just thought it was cool to build a castle. And
he later donated it to what he calls the Knights
of the Golden Trail. But it's it's basically owned by
the Boy Scouts. So it's this weird, creepy castle. You
go down a dark and winding hill to get to it,
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and it is near the high school. And this person
is saying, it looks like it cuts off. They want
you to make an account to read the full story,
h to hear about how a ghost followed them home.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I see the ghost followed them home. Huh.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Supposedly I just found another one.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I've never really thought the Loveland Castle was particularly haunted. No,
but you know what if a ghost fallows them home,
good for them or bad for them? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
It depends on what depends they want. Oh, okay, and
this one.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Is uh, it was supposed to be talking about ghosts,
but I don't I don't see anything about them. I
guess it was them trying to do a ghost hunt
at the Loveling Castle. But there's no real data on it.
There's so many things that people like want they I
think people want it to be haunted, and it's not,
at least from the you know, experiences I've had there.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But I think if you're looking for hauntings and loved
and you're better off going into the woods.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yes, oh yeah, the woods are creepy.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Or the trails. I feel like because there's so much
space within the woods and a lot of people have
died in those areas mm hmm, that if you were
going to have a ghost, it's probably going to be there.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, you would think so, because that's also where like
a lot of like raids and stuff would happen, you know,
during the Civil War and stuff like that. It would
be in the woods. Partially because like a lot of
this stuff that's there wasn't built up yet obviously.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, because there's a there's still a bunch of untapped
wild areas and.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Oh yeah it's very green. There's a lot of trees
and stuff everywhere.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, so if you're looking for ghosts, i'd say avoid
the buildings, go outside.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes, that's okay. Touch CRUs Crypti hunting is about touching grass.
That was the how to survive crypt and hunters talk
that I did at the Frogman Festival. Most of it
was I hope you're prepared for camping and hiking because
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that's a lot of cryptid hunting is camping and hiking.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, it's a lot of being outside.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, were that there was a you know, air conditioning
cryptid or something like that, but that doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So an conditioning crypti.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, how dare you?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's okay.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It was my response to the air conditioning crypt you're.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Too you're too excited about it. You want the air
conditioning crypti. It's really funny, Just.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
The concept of it was really funny. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Oh gosh. Yeah. I feel like I feel like Loveland
should have a lot more urban legends, Like I feel
like it being such a creepy place. Oh, oh, the
what I forgot to bring up? We do have have
a bridge that eats cars and that sounds like it's
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a cryptid No, it's just people constantly. It's what we
call a can opener bridge, where it will just lop
off the top of cars because people misjudge how tall
the bridge is. Let me see if I can find it,
because there's actually a page that I followed that's dedicated
to what cars hit this bridge in Loveland, because of
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course there's a page for that. Oh, let's see if
I can find it. Of course it's not gonna pop
up right now. Loveland Bridge navigating the Loveland Bridge. That's
the group and it is. It's a bridge. It's eight
feet tall and people constantly constantly hit this thing. Let's
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see when the last one was. The last one was
the thirtieth of October. It was it was raining and
somebody in what looks like a van and oh, it
looks like it was two in one day. There was
a bus and then a van of both hit the
bridge because they misjudged how tall their cars were.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Wait, which which bridge is this?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It is the one that's down by the river right
by the kayaking place. So you know how there's two
ways you can go around there. You can go through
Old Loveland or you can go around that bridge there.
And yeah, people constantly hit it. It's an old train
track bridge, and so people whenever they see a car
stuck that's hit the bridge, they go to this page
and they post it, which is very funny. Yeah, here's
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one from back in September where U haul got stuck,
and here's a home depot truck that got stuck. But yeah,
people people consider it basically, you know, sacrificing to this bridge,
which I think most towns have some bridge like this
that they're like, ah, yep, another one hit it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah. Well we also have that low one too that's
over by the Walgreens that they built it too low
to wear when it plunged. Yeah, oh really easily.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yes, I do know which one you're talking about, because
I do remember somebody died there when we got too
much rain.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I guess their car went into the water and they
tragically passed. Yeah, but it's risk the whole time. Even
when they were constructing it, they were like, maybe not
a good idea of our flood levels.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to see if I can find
an article about it.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Another urban legend.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Architecture of our.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The most urban of legends. Bad urban planning.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, I've noticed a lot of it involves either corporate
greed or planning. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I did actually find unfortunate article about this. We had
gotten a lot of rain on Wednesday night, and it
was just hours after authorities recovered the body of a
teenage girl who was swept away by raging floodwaters from
an even worse storm the day before. So it looks
like there was three deaths. Three deaths were blamed on
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the storm, which the National Weather Service said dumped half
foot of rain in the Cincinnati area. This article is
from July nineteenth, two thousand and one, on Deseret News.
I've never heard of this news site before. I'm trying
to say there's any more details. Steve Buckberger, an associate
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professor and water resource engineer at the University of Cincinnati,
said the rain gage at his home in Montgomery recorded
more than six inches Tuesday night, and he's quoted saying
I've never seen anything like it in the twelve years
I tier. Yes, it was a lot of flash flooding,
and the sixteen year old who was unfortunately swept to
her death was Monica Kuchmar. So, uh, yeah, that that
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is a very very dangerous area when we get flash flooding.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And I remember because that was like, you know, like
when we were growing up. I remember what that's when
they put in the bridge. The bridge wasn't.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
There forever, you know, they yeah, it wasn't always there, and.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
My dad was terrified. He was like, that's really low
to the green about what could happen? And then when
it did happen and she tragically died, Yeah, he wentn't
right over it for a long time.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Fair the water.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Gets so high that all it takes is it to
flood and then you're you're gone. You know, that's just
not great.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, that area is really really scary there. And
what's wowd about it is like most people when they're
driving through there when it's a sunny day and it
hasn't rained in a while, you don't think it's gonna
get that high because it's just a tiny creek in
that spot, and then it rains and it basically becomes
like a river. So that area gets really dangerous, really
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really fast so that I don't even know if that's
necessarily an urban legend. This is something that actually happened
and was really messed up and is bad urban planning.
And I'm actually really surprised they haven't rebuilt that bridge, honestly.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think I mentioned something about like building up the
the sides of it are slot because then if they
build like a higher retaining wall or something.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That would be smart to do. I don't know if
they did or not, because I haven't been back in
a little while.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Obviously, I don't love in Loveland either, and neither of
us are urban planners.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
But you know, I don't do any architecture.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
If your urban planning is bad enough that it has
murdered or I guess it's not murder, but if it's
killed at least one person, that's pretty bad. Your urban
planning should not have a body count. I'm trying to
think if there's any other legends. Oh, do you remember
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the old school house downtown? It's not quite an Old
Loveland like Historic Loveland, but it's out towards oh, what's
that street there, like the main street that has the
library and the elementary school, on it.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
The schoolhouse there.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, it's not used as a schoolhouse anymore. Oh, Loveland
Art Studios is what I always saw it as. But
it was an old schoolhouse that they had turned into
art studios.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
No, what's up with that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I remember people always telling me that one was haunted.
I never saw ghosts there. Yeah, Loveland Artist Studios, I'm main,
which apparently still exists. I wasn't sure if it still
exists or not, but yeah, I was always told that
it was an old haunted schoolhouse. Loveland weirdly has a
lot of groups dedicated to their history, and somehow I've
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ended up in some of these groups, which is just
funny because I don't know how I ended up in
these groups. I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
See that obviously you appeal to the group.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Apparently, I'm trying to see because I remember somebody posting
a while back about this and they were actually able
to pull up some old yearbooks from the old schoolhouse.
I mean, obviously they weren't yearbooks like we have them
now because back when it was a school was still
black and white photography only. I'm trying to see if
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I can find this groups. Oh, it's in the you
know if you're from Loveland, if I do remember it
being in there, which I was like, of course that's
going to be the name of this group.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I think I joined this looking for information on something.
On stuff like this, I'd be lurking in groups, you know,
looking for ghost stories. Oh, it looks like we have
a collar on the line though, So I'm going to
go ahead and grab that call while I look this up. Hello,
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you're on with Strange Talk.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Hi, there is Noel I'm calling in. Usually I say
sub creeps.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, you have some some creepy confidential. Uh, some creepy
hometown lore for us. Oh?
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Absolutely? Uh so uh I might have talked to Alex
about this. So in Appleton, Wisconsin, That's where I'm from.
That I'm the weirdo Wisconsin right after all? In Wisconsin,
there is a huge cemetery that goes along the Fox River.
It's actually beautiful cemetery, and there's a kind of an
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urban legend that exists with one of the residents that
is buried there. Her name, her actual real name is
Kate Blood, which maybe was what set her up this
this urban legend. But of course the claims, the claims
are always uh, you know, in the full moonlight, her
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gravestone will use a substance that appears to be blood,
that's a big one, or that an apparition her is
seen near the gravestone. Oh so those are kind of
the things that exists with her in particular. Now what's
odd is that she's been called, you know, she was
an axe murderer or she was a witch. But there's
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there's not any any like like facts to back up
what they're calling her. So it's kind of struck me.
I was born and raised there in Appleton. It's kind
of strange to me that, you know, like how how
did she get this kind of bad rap sort of thing.
And the particular location, the basic cemetery is very dense
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stones like like usual old stone, very very old. And
then her little area she's not by herself and it's
this one tall stone all by itself in this little
kind of cutout of the woods. It's very strange that
it's all by itself. And even if you just walk
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around it in the evening, just kind of checking it out,
it does have a very eerie.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Feel to it.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Uh huh.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
I've been I've investigated the stone, you know, like try
to figure out maybe it has something on it that
would make it appear to use if it was wet,
kind of like a copper statue Knight, Yeah, but alas nothing,
you know, there's no metal on it. It's just that
classic appearance. So I've always tried to figure out, you know,
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what's the how did she? How did she get called this?
But she was an influential kind of settler of that area,
her family was. She's kind of known as the daughter
of Appleton and and it seems like there's no rhyme
or reason when the apparition appears. Yeah, And I've never
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been able to catch it myself.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Of being there.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Yeah, So it's it's one of those strange urban legends
you know that pops up and you don't know, you
don't know how did she get the name? Why is
she still haunting there if she had such a nice life?
And and where did the axe murderer come from?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Like why yeah, like it's real. They just throw that
in there to try and you know, up up up
the vibe. It's very strange.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I all, all urban legends need like a little a
little axe murderer added to it to make it extra creepy.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
You know, right right, just to kind of add to it.
And uh, and I'm not I'm not sure if you're
familiar with Chad Lewis. He's an author and a paranormal researcher.
He's also from Wisconsin as well, and and he could
also not pinpoint where the tales started. But it's it's
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very strange. Usually you can always find, you know, the
first story appears somewhere either in like an old newspapers,
but the ghosts and the blood oozing, it's different. It
stands out and it's very strange.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, the oozing blood is like that's a really classic
urban legend, like a nice creepy touch. And I'm glad. Yeah,
you were immediately like, Okay, is there medal or something,
because I feel like that a lot of times, like
losing blood like that it does end up being from metal,
but uh, yeah, that's that's super creepy.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Yeah, or or perhaps the you know, I've been a
paranormal investigator for ono twenty years myself, so it's like
the art of debunking, I think is strong within me.
The force is strong. And it was like, how it
could it be dirt? Could it be what? The stone
is made out of and it was. It's just it's
very it's very odd. And I say her story is
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that she murdered her husband and children with an axe.
That's how she got the axe, murdered before committing suicide.
And then you know, though, if you look at the stone,
her husband outlived her, like the actual he is buried there.
He is, so it really, I just I've never I
never understood that urban legend, but it is still there
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and it is very strong. Anybody in apathin but that's
looking for something every Internet search cake blood popped Up
or bloody Kate, I think is what she also is
known as Bloody Kate.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I'm looking her up right now.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I was looking that up expecting to get a picture,
and then I'm like, wait, no, they would not have
a yeah wow.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
Yeah, So it's it's like I said, she doesn't have
some crazy fantastical story. The cemetery does have a kind
of an expansive, weird, creepy vibe to it because it's
old stones instead of new stones. But it's it's kept
up so people are always out there. She don't have
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to like it was a vagrance that people saw was
that someone trying to like there's always somebody on the ground.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, yeah, and that is that's really interesting that they're like,
she murdered her husband and then you can see that
he actually outlifts her.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Yeah, yeah, he absolutely he he out lived her, and
it was I could get I always I've been trying
over the years, still can't figure out where it comes from.
And I've been out there trying to catch the apparition, yeah,
and trying to see, you know, like like maybe I
can catch a glimpse of this apparition, because it might
not maybe it looks like something else. But I always
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like the paranormal hanking ones that I've you know, wherever
I live or wherever I'm from, that one is always
just one that's been around forever.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, that's that's a really good, like classic classic urban legend,
especially you know, being set in a cemetery. That always
adds to it where you're like, yeah, yeah, that's a
good urban legend.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Right, Yeah, act murderer, that's it totally.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, she had an X. We definitely weren't just like
reading about Lizzie Borden when I when we came up
with this.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
That's what that's what I have for you guys this evening.
I just wanted to call in and give that a
cool little.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Little Yeah, that's a good one. Thank you for sharing
that with us.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
You're very welcome. Well, if you got to get some
cool callers, have a creepy evening.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, have a creepy evening. Thanks for calling in, all right,
bye bye? Nice awesome. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
It's nice to hear about non lovelent ones too.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Right, Yeah, oh no, my music has randomly stopped. Oh
there it goes. Oh it was just enough time to
freak me out. Oh my gosh, it was just enough
time to be like, ah, the board it's haunted. That's funny. Awesome. Yeah, well,
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I feel like that is like that is such a
good classic kind of urban legend set in a cemetery
and axes added to it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, I don't know what it is, the people's fascination
of axes an X.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
I feel like an axe is just like such a
classic murder weapon. You know, you got the shiny at
the public monster with the axe, like and I mean
you could go with the sword, but that's like a
little too dated.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, there's also like the
real killers that have used axes. So I'm not saying
that the ax isn't a murder weapon obviously, but like
you know, it's just like, you know, you have these
urban legends and immediately you're like, and there was an
axe involved.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
There's always an axe involved. Maybe maybe that's how you
start new urban legends. You just carry around an axe.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
Okay, I think I might have more problems than legend,
but like a fake ax, like a rubber ax, just
to like start in suburban legends, like for funzies, like
you remember all like all the creepy clown sightings.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
It's like that, but just with a rubber X.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Okay, but listen, the minute I get arrested, I am
calling you and I'm going to say, hey, Alice, remember
that time.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
But if it's okay, But if it's rubber, if it's rubber,
what are they gonna do rescue for walking around in
a Halloween costume?
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yes they will.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I am trying to think. I know that Lexington has
some like Jim Varney's grave is on Atlas Obscura, but
I don't know the legend around it. I don't I
don't know as much legends about Lexie as I should.
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Apparently fans of his will leave cans of mellow yellow
there for him, which is interesting.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Camp Mellow Yellow, what'd you just say?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, cans of mellow yellow like the soda.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
Wow, you know, like we're talking about urban legends.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
And then I heard Camp Mellow Yellow, and I was like,
is this like one of those like camps? Are we
talking like a versus?
Speaker 6 (50:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
My gosh. Camp just reminded me, Uh, did you go
on our high school or middle school? One of the
two would always send us. I think our last year
middle school it was to Camp Kern. I did not
go to that now, so I went, but I went
on like a different week because they like split like
our whole grade in half and one week and one
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went the next week. So I went with the wrong
week because I got sick. But I remember that one
of the things that they let us do there for
some reason, this was an option. We had like a
free time, and everyone picked an activity to do, and
me and two whole other people decided we wanted to
go to the cemetery in Camp Kern to do reliefs
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of the tombstones. So we would take paper and do
kran to do reliefs with the tombstones. Why did they
let us do that? That's a weird thing to be like, hey, kids,
let's do this.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
But it also sounds like something you would do.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, it was me and two
whole other people, because everyone went that's weird, way do
you want to do that? And I was like, I
didn't know there was a cemetery here. That's so cool.
That's really really funny that I completely forgot about that
until now.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I had a disposable camera with me at camp there,
and I took the creepiest photos possible because it was
a disposable camera and all camps inherently just looked creepy.
Oh goodness, closing out all these steps.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Oh oh, I rtually I never got to experience that camp.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Well, maybe we'll go sometime and do some you know,
relief etchings crub or etchings. I don't remember what the
word for that is, but yeah, maybe we'll go do
some reliefs in the cemetery there that apparently is on
site at camp Oh. I did find, by the way, well,
Noel was telling her story, which, by the way, check
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out Creepy Offidential. Yea, yeah, the art studio was built
in eighteen eighty eight. It was rebottled nineteen twenty five
to its current layout when it became Arts Studios. And
it was cool that it's still open because it is
ancient and yeah, you can see old, old pictures of it.
It was the West Loveland School building back when it
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was a schoolhouse. But yeah, I always heard stories that
it was haunted by one of the school teachers who
would just stand in one of the windows. I never
saw that. Again, most of the things that I know
about where, you know, people would uh just tell me
these stories and I'd just be like, okay, Like King's
Islands supposed to be haunted too, I've never seen anything there.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I mean I could believe enough people have oh yeah,
King's Island in really weird ways.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
That I maybe we should do an episode on that,
because there are supposed to be a lot of ghosts there.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah, like the King Clients specific ghosts.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, because I would love to get into that, but
we don't have that much time left and that would
take up some time because there's a lot of ghosts
that are there. I've never seen any of them. But
there's a lot of stories about deaths at King's Island
in that area in general.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
But yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Sorry what we're saying. No, I was just agreeing, Oh yeah, uh,
are there any other urban leges you can think of?
Before we have to sign off for the night we go.
We got like a couple of minutes left.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
Not for love on.
Speaker 6 (54:22):
No.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
I think that I think we're all good ives. You know,
it's on my end.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, I'm sure like as soon as we get off this,
I'll be like, oh yeah, I was told this one
story one time, because it's just a creepy place. And
that's not even counting the frog.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, we very carefully avoided mentioning the frog man.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I feel like that we've we've talked about the Frogman
a little bit. I could do ten more episodes on
the frog, but like, I've never seen him. I would
really love to see him. I've never seen the frog.
All I've come up with looking for the frog is coyotes, so.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
You know, yeah, I mean I haven't seen the frog either.
I've seen apparitions in lovelondrosporition.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, we've seen plenty of ghosts together, which maybe Yeah,
we need to do an episode one on the ghosts
and deaths at King's Island, and I feel like we
could just do a full episode. That's just here's every
ghost that Vaine and I have seen together. Gosh wep,
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I guess on that note, we can go ahead and
sign off for the night. So thanks for tuning in
and good luck. No, hold on, that's not the ending. Yeah, yeah,
there it is.
Speaker 6 (55:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
I was like, wait, I said that backwards. It's good
night and good luck. You know what I'm leaving that
in there. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness,
never fading, always accessible.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
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Speaker 8 (56:20):
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Speaker 1 (56:26):
Ala, who's help?
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (56:31):
And then an sunsmen no fakes not slave.
Speaker 8 (56:45):
My raps give your body.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
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Speaker 7 (57:02):
No me?
Speaker 1 (57:11):
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Speaker 4 (57:19):
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Speaker 1 (57:34):
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but could create content.
Speaker 8 (57:53):
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your body? What look like like like, what's help me?
Speaker 3 (58:42):
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Speaker 8 (58:43):
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Speaker 1 (58:54):
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I still gotcha?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yes? I'm here?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yay, yay. No technical difficulties this time? Is it radio
if there's not technical difficulties though? But yeah, we're doing
a little bit of open lines tonight, and we're talking
all about you know, hometown urban legends, you know the
things that people's different hometowns have that you know, the
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kids whisper about and the adults don't want you to
talk about, but you do it anyway, and you double
dare each other to go, you know, look in the
old creepy abandoned house and stuff like that. Uh, you know,
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but yeah, Vain, I especially wanted you on with me
for this because you and I both grew up in
Loveland with the Loveland Frog.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yes, yes, we did, yes.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
And that's a not even necessarily the creepiest part of Loveland.
We used to go ghosts outing all the time as
like teenagers and stuff like that. And we've just we've
seen some weird stuff together.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I think we've seen them like a lot of weird stuff, really.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, paranormal and not just a lot of weird. I
do you remember this one time when we were hiking
in the woods around dusk and we both were suddenly
like we have to get out of here before nightfall.
This feels wrong. And then we looked over and we
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saw two baby deer and we were like, oh, no,
that means that the parent is around here somewhere. Really,
we got to get out of these woods.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I know, we thought it was like a paranormal thing,
but really it was just like, oh, there's a buck
here something.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Yeah, it was we might get demolished by a deer
right now. We were like, the ghosts are gonna get us.
And then we look over and there's a deer.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, very very scary in comparison to a ghost. I
don't want to get goured by a deer, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I mean a ghost with antlers is equally terrifying, honestly.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, but for different reasons.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah. Yeah, And that was That was in the woods
and Loveland. I feel like we've just had all kinds
of experiences all around Loveland. It wasn't even necessarily things
that were like urban folklore like our stories to us,
it was just we just had all these weird experiences.
And maybe it is part of like a bigger picture
where like a bunch of people have had those same
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experiences in those locations. I have no idea did you
Did you ever go out to the poles? Do you
remember the polls?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
The pole? I'm not sure. Maybe what is it?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
It was like right outside of town there were these.
It was it was next to what I was told
was an old nunnery, so I guess an abbot. And
if you went all the way back on this trail,
it overlooked the river and there were all these just
telephone poles with no tops on them at varying heights
sticking out of the ground. And right next to it
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was a tiny graveyard with tombstones for a bunch of
different nuns, and then they had Hindu prayer flags hung up.
It was very weird.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
No, I did not go to see that. That's really neat, though.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
I feel like that was one of the like kind
of like urban legends that we had in Sincy because
like or rather in Loveland, because nobody could ever tell
me like why they existed, and like I spent forever
looking online trying to figure out what these were, and
finally I found what it was. It's an outdoor sculpture.
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It was commissioned by the Grail, a Catholic laywoman's organization
in Loveland, Ohio, and It is a sculpture by Robert Wilson,
and it has six hundred and seventy six tele fumbles.
But this used to not be on his website, so
I couldn't find anything about it. But yeah, I guess
it was premiered in nineteen sixty eight. And you can
kind of see if you look this up that it
kind of that kind of like peaks up in height. Yeah,
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so you can. You can kind of climb up it.
You're not really supposed to. But if you go on
his website, you'll see a bunch of naked people sitting
on them and stuff because they took a bunch of
pictures in the sixties, you know, like you do. But
it's so funny because you know, us as kids, we
would go out there and we're like this is so creepy.
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Who did this and why? And it's just it's just
a guy making art.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I mean, that's like half of like childhood fantasies, you know,
where you're like, oh my goodness, what is this really
scary thing? And it's just a adults expressing themselves and telephone.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
I mean, it didn't help that like when we would
go out to see these poles, like it would be
in like the middle of the night. Like I remember
going out there in the middle of the night in winter,
so we're like crunching through the snow going all the
way back there to this and we're like, why are
all these just like poles sticking out of the ground.
Super weird, but it was cool to finally yeah. Yeah,
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but finally getting closure on that was super cool because
you don't always get closure on some of those like
weird urban legends. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
I mean it's also cool just to be like, oh,
look there's actual cool art and yeah, now that terrifies children.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
More artists should make art that terrifies children. That that's
the official stance of strange. Did you did you have
any like urban legends like that that you remember from
Loveland like growing up there.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I mean, I don't know if this loved one specific,
but if you remember he remember it was it the
minor forty niner or whatever where they were joking and
they were saying that on the bike trail there was
a man with a lantern. Oh that would that would
haunt you? Yeah? So like okay, it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Was like so like Minty like from Scooby Doo.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I don't know I think I called it the minor,
but that's not what.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
You add to the lore supposed to be. Yeah, I mean,
to be fair, he does carry a lantern around, so.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, and I think that's why I associated with the
Minor forty nine er.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
But the whole thing was like, if.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
You went on the bike trail at night and you
were alone, uh, there was a chance that you'd see
this man with a lantern and if he caught Like,
if he caught you, he'd kill you.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
That's really funny. I've never heard that one. I think
this is that's the interesting thing about local legends is
like even growing up there, we're gonna hear different ones.
But that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yeah, Like I lived next to the bike trail, so
for me, that's true. You know. I think in that
situation it was kind of probably my father warning me,
like in his own way. Yeah, but like all the
adults nearby too, were like, yeah, when I was growing up,
there used to be a train that ran through here,
and everyone knew that you didn't go on the train
tracks at night or else the man with the lantern
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would get you.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah. The what Vain dubbed the Minor forty nine or
vain just added to the store.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I called him in my head, but I was like,
I don't know what his actual name was supposed to be,
but it was this guy with the lantern, and I
think my brain just assumed Minor forty nine er made sense.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't know, that's really funny.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
But yeah, that's not all the adults, because it was
my It was a war thing from my dad's generation.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah. Well, and to be fair, the bike trail is
built over old railroad tracks, so that part is true,
Like there's usually some drop of truth in any of
these urban legends. So I mean you could still see the.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Old railroad actually in Camp Dennison. Yeah, so the pathway
there's parts where they're still old railroad.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. I do remember there being
a lot of stories about Camp Dennison because that was
supposed to be super haunted. And I remember the lake there.
I remember. I think it was you who told me
that there were like planes and stuff at the bottom
of the lake.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Oh yeah, the the big old lake reservoir thing. Yeah,
that's another thing from my dad's generation, where it used
to be like a big old hole in the ground
essentially where they were gathering different materials, and then they
started using as a dumping ground and they fell it
in and made it a lake, and then people would
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go in and swim in the lake, but the stuff
was still in there.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, that's creepy. U were there divers there that?
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Like?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Is that how they knew that there was this stuff
at the bottom.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, they had divers that go down there. You have
to get like a permit thing to do everything in
that water though.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure you need your tennis
shots up to date.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I'm trying to think of what the name is for
this place, but it's a weird one, for sure. It's
hold on, I'm trying here because it talks to you
about love one and we start talking about we started
talking about this instead.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Well it's any any city's, you know, local legends. I
just figured love when we both grew up there, So
I was like, I'm sure that we had a bunch
that we've forgotten about.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
I think it's the Great Grand Valley Nature Preserve because
it used to not be a a nature preserve at all.
That used to be a oh yeah, and see there's
even a little warning here, no before you go access
is restricted. It's not open to the general public. You
have to be a a citizen. A citizen I get
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like a citizen of the of the city thing an
Indian Hill citizens specifically not just owned by Indian Yes, yeah,
you know towns person.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Is that a better howard? I don't know the citizen works.
It's fine. It just sounded funny of like you must
be a citizen, any citizen.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Like any any citizen. No, No, it's it's very specific
to Camp Dennis and slash Indian Hill people. And there
was a whole shebang around it because Camp Dennison wanted
to be its own thing. They couldn't be. I don't know, Lore,
not Loveland Lore.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I mean that's that's fine too. I mean, uh, I'm
trying to think. I feel like Loveland never had any
of those of like I feel like the classic stories
are like hook on the car door handle or like
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some kind of like Devil's Bend where like a car crash.
And now every so often when you drive through there
you'll see high beams or like we didn't have any
stories about like a lady in white or someone haunting
a bridge or anything like that. Oh, I do remember
there was a story about the railroad tracks, though I
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have no idea who told me this or if there's
any truth to it. But do you know where the
railroad tracks go across Branch Hooguinea Pike down in Old Loveland, Aye? Yeah,
how it kind of goes up and then back down
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So I was told this story. I have no idea
if there's any truth to it. I never looked it
up because I did not remember it until just this moment.
I'm pretty sure this is probably just an urban legend
in all kinds of towns. But supposedly the story I
was told is that one time a bus got stuck
on the tracks there and got hit and kids died.
That should be easy to look up and verify. I
just hadn't thought about it until just now, so we'll
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look that up. But the story I was told was
then somebody's car got stuck on the tracks and like
it like it died, and they got stuck and where
it goes up and down on the other side, like
they couldn't get it to move, and so they were
freaking out because the train was coming. When suddenly their
car just suddenly like kind of moved and went down
the other side of the railroad tracks. And they said
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that when they got out of the car and looked
on the back, they could see handprints, like children's handprints
on the back of their trunk, like the kids had
pushed the car.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Oh yeah, that's an old Uh that's like a really
old urbane.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Uh huh. And it just I just remembered like somebody
in Loveland told me that story, and I was like,
I don't, this is this is You've took this from
somewhere else, because there would be records of like a
school bus, you know, getting hit by a train.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
I mean, so there actually was a wreck on the
on the tracks, but it was like four months ago,
so I don't and I don't a bus full of
children didn't die, and I don't.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
They went back in time to tell me this story
when we were like teenagers. It's a time traveling ghost story.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I don't see anything specific here. Uh it says, Yeah,
it says in August thirteen, twenty twenty five, a school
bus of four two kids and one adult flipped over.
But that was in Texas, so like it gave me
a Texas result, So I don't actually.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
You know, I don't Loveland, Texas.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, I think that's one of those national war things,
you know, like one of those little warning things.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, oh yeah, No, I'm sure that's I'm sure that's
what it was. But like I wish I remember who
told me that story. I feel like most of like
the stories like that that we were told in Loveland
all centered around the railroad tracks. I don't know if
you remember when we did presentations. Was it in creative
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writing class?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
And I did one all about the Peters Cartridge Factory
because that was like one of the big urban legend
things for us, even though it wasn't technically in Loveland,
it was outside of it. But it is this old
abandoned munitions factory that used to produce munitions during the
Civil War, and kids would always go and investigate it,
except we were really discouraged from investigating it. I was
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always told that they did swap practices in there. I
have no idea if that's true. Never looked it up
since I was a teenager, kind of forgot about it,
except for there was one wing that was cut off
from the rest of the building and in there, and
I do know this part was true. They used to
do haunted houses there, and so one year they did
their Halloween haunted house there and then just never cleaned
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it up. And then now the building's rotting with all
these like Halloween decorations inside. So that was the only
part that you could get into, like without getting into trouble. Supposedly.
I definitely knew people that went like all through those
buildings and never encountered Swat or whatever. But we did
this presentation in creative of Riting class, so I did
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all this research on it, and there was actually a
train explosion right outside the Cartridge Factory because some of
the municians went off. So I feel like, yeah, most
of our ghost stories center around the railroad tracks, which
makes sense. It's ripe for you know, accidents to happen.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
So also because I was curious about the Peter Cartridge Shenanigans,
see if there was actually anything like Swat base there.
Do they repurpose it to the apartments?
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Really? Yes, I do remember them saying they were going.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
To Yeah, it's called the Peter Cartridge Factory apartment.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Creative name nailed it.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I mean I knew they had put a tavern in it,
like they like did like a little you know, like
a food place there. I just didn't know about the apartment.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, I know they were talking about making them like
luxury apartments and having like an ice cream parlor at
the bottom and all kinds of stuff. I didn't know
that any that ever went through because last time I
heard about that, they were talking about doing that, but
I had never seen any like follow up or anything.
But that's that's on me. Apparently I need to google
things more.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Also, these apartments look scary like they didn't really do
the interiors. They look like it looks like a haunted
house but with nice furniture. Like it's not.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Great.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Uh yeah, very expensive.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Oh I'm sure.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, I mean it's great that they didn't like tear
it down. But yeah, OK, I got to it from
our urban legends. But by the update to this building,
I feel like.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You know, the vast sprawl of time moving forward is also,
in its way, an own creepy urban legend of when
you go to visit your hometown, nothing will look the
same as it once.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Did, because it really isn't the same as it once was,
Like it's its own thing now, you know, the version
of you that lived there, no longer lives there, and
the version of the town shouldn't be the same either.
If it is, it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah, there's some things that should be kept the same,
Like in Loveland, the kayak place should always be down
by the river there, you know, Old Loveland should always
have the old store fronts, because that's cool to keep
that history alive. But everything else in the town changes constantly.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Oh yeah, oh Loveland. I mean, like I'm sure the
kids now or within a like a generation too, they're
going to look up like the architecture there and they're
going to make up a story about the fire department
and they're going to be like, there's a ghost where
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the Greaters is now because somebody when the fire department
turned down, somebody was there and they died, and now
the ghost.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Did the fire department burn down?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I thought it was the old, old old ones, Like
remember down in old Loveland where those apartments are now
and all the many mini mall things back in the
early two thousands, that used to be an old fire
department and it burned.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Down, really because I knew. The one that I knew
about was I think when we were in high school,
the theater next to the fire department burned down and
they had to call in fire departments from all these
different cities because it was right next door, and so
like they were also trying to make sure their building
didn't catch fire.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Well maybe it was both of them. I don't know.
Maybe I know the fire department isn't in Old Lubland anymore.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Really, I haven't been back by there. I know the
theater is still there.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Because I remember when I was a kid, that's where
I got a big old cut on my My cousin
had to get a tentnis shot because we were running
around near the debris and she steps on a nail
because one building burned all the way down.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, I'm looking on the maps to see what's there now.
I'm curious what's changed. That's the thing is, I don't
even have to go back there to go and look.
There's the stage company. Okay, stage companies still where it was.
There's a FedEx truck on Google Maps. I don't know
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when this pictures from. Oh this pictures from July twenty
twenty five, and I still see the fire company there.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You building. I knew a building that burned down, and
that's all I.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Know, oh there was a there was another one back
behind the works that burned down, and I remember everyone
was like, oh yeah, it got found out that the
homeowner said on fire for insurance. I do remember that one.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Was that the one from twenty seventeen, though mm it.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Was probably earlier than that, because I remember that happening
when I still lived there. And this is exactly how
urban legends start, is people kind of like don't quite remember,
and then it keeps going and going and going. But
that one would have been right by the fire department.
It would have been by the railroad trucks there too,
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because I do remember driving past that one and seeing
like this just husk of an old house on a hill.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
It's giving me all the stuff from twenty seventeen. I'm
trying to think of the one that was from like
the early two thousands, and I can't find it.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, let me Yeah, let's let's see what we can
google here. Let's see what we can find out.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Yeah, I mean, okay, well, Dad, say is the theater
thing did burn?
Speaker 4 (23:21):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I do remember the theater. Yeah it was they had
gotten new stage lights or no, they got new curtains
and the stage lights caught them on fire.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
This is in two thousand and seven, though I feel
like it was really I don't know, I'm old, what
do I know. The point is that they built these
apartments there, and they built a nice graters, and they
tore down all these other buildings, and so inevitably there's
gonna be some weird ghost story about you know about that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We can make one up right now.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
Yeah, that's true. Yes, the ghost of h He goes
a poor man is living inside of the graters and
he's angry because he can't have a black raspberry chocolate
ice cream.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yes, and so now he hunts the graters and he burns.
He's a ghost arsonist.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
That's exactly what he does.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Yeah, he wanted ice cream.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
So he just shocks you when you're plug in your
phone into the wall and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, and he's trying to use that to spark the house.
Like the house. So yeah, this is exactly how Harbon
legends are started. We you know, talk about this stuff.
And he goes from there.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
And then in reality, some like electrician goes in there
one day and they're like, hey man, you need to
change your outlet. That's the reason why the spark happens
that the reason.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I can't find anything about that house fire, but
I do remember seeing a house burned down that we
used to drive past. I don't know, love one's love
One's weird. It's creepy. It is creepy, and not just
because the frog and not just because of the castle.
Like there's just a weird energy there.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a lot of old
stuff there. Yeah, and there was the railroad obviously, and
not not only the railroad, but there's the bike trail
and mm hmmm. It's an area where a lot of
people have come and gone over the years.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I'm trying to find too, because like I would, I
would see all kinds of like things in the skies
as well. I know that there are supposed to be
some Civil War ghosts that haunt towards corner Road. I
don't know if I can find that again.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I mean, there's a bunch of Civil War like area.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
I just that one found a news article. I don't
know if this is really a news article a blog
post that someone wrote that a ghosts followed my family
home after visiting Loveland Castle. That's interesting because I have
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stayed the night at Loveland Castle, and I never saw
anything ghostly there in the slightest like, it did not
feel super haunted or anything. The Loveland Castle. For people
who aren't familiar, Harry Andrews fought and order one. I
think he hold on, let me make sure that's right,
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because the stuff the person has here may or may
not be correct. Yeah, okay, yeah. Harry Andrews he built
the uh Loveland Castle from river rock, and he basically
built it prepared to you know, prepared for siege warfare.
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Not that he was like trying to use it. He
just thought it was cool to build a castle. And
he later donated it to what he calls the Knights
of the Golden Trail. But it's it's basically owned by
the Boy Scouts. So it's this weird, creepy castle. You
go down a dark and winding hill to get to it,
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and it is near the high school. And this person
is saying, it looks like it cuts off. They want
you to make an account to read the full story,
h to hear about how a ghost followed them home.
I guess.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I see the ghost followed them home. Huh.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Supposedly I just found another one.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I've never really thought the Loveland Castle was particularly haunted. No,
but you know what if a ghost fallows them home,
good for them or bad for them? I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
It depends on what depends they want. Oh, okay, and
this one.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Is uh, it was supposed to be talking about ghosts,
but I don't I don't see anything about them. I
guess it was them trying to do a ghost hunt
at the Loveling Castle. But there's no real data on it.
There's so many things that people like want they I
think people want it to be haunted, and it's not,
at least from the you know, experiences I've had there.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
But I think if you're looking for hauntings and loved
and you're better off going into the woods.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yes, oh yeah, the woods are creepy.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Or the trails. I feel like because there's so much
space within the woods and a lot of people have
died in those areas mm hmm, that if you were
going to have a ghost, it's probably going to be there.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah, you would think so, because that's also where like
a lot of like raids and stuff would happen, you know,
during the Civil War and stuff like that. It would
be in the woods. Partially because like a lot of
this stuff that's there wasn't built up yet obviously.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Yeah, because there's a there's still a bunch of untapped
wild areas and.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Oh yeah it's very green. There's a lot of trees
and stuff everywhere.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, so if you're looking for ghosts, i'd say avoid
the buildings, go outside.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yes, that's okay. Touch CRUs Crypti hunting is about touching grass.
That was the how to survive crypt and hunters talk
that I did at the Frogman Festival. Most of it
was I hope you're prepared for camping and hiking because
(29:56):
that's a lot of cryptid hunting is camping and hiking.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, it's a lot of being outside.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, were that there was a you know, air conditioning
cryptid or something like that, but that doesn't exist.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So an conditioning crypti.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, how dare you?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Sorry?
Speaker 2 (30:21):
It's okay.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
It was my response to the air conditioning crypt you're.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Too you're too excited about it. You want the air
conditioning crypti. It's really funny, Just.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
The concept of it was really funny. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
Oh gosh. Yeah. I feel like I feel like Loveland
should have a lot more urban legends, Like I feel
like it being such a creepy place. Oh, oh, the
what I forgot to bring up? We do have have
a bridge that eats cars and that sounds like it's
(31:05):
a cryptid No, it's just people constantly. It's what we
call a can opener bridge, where it will just lop
off the top of cars because people misjudge how tall
the bridge is. Let me see if I can find it,
because there's actually a page that I followed that's dedicated
to what cars hit this bridge in Loveland, because of
(31:29):
course there's a page for that. Oh, let's see if
I can find it. Of course it's not gonna pop
up right now. Loveland Bridge navigating the Loveland Bridge. That's
the group and it is. It's a bridge. It's eight
feet tall and people constantly constantly hit this thing. Let's
(31:51):
see when the last one was. The last one was
the thirtieth of October. It was it was raining and
somebody in what looks like a van and oh, it
looks like it was two in one day. There was
a bus and then a van of both hit the
bridge because they misjudged how tall their cars were.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Wait, which which bridge is this?
Speaker 2 (32:12):
It is the one that's down by the river right
by the kayaking place. So you know how there's two
ways you can go around there. You can go through
Old Loveland or you can go around that bridge there.
And yeah, people constantly hit it. It's an old train
track bridge, and so people whenever they see a car
stuck that's hit the bridge, they go to this page
and they post it, which is very funny. Yeah, here's
(32:36):
one from back in September where U haul got stuck,
and here's a home depot truck that got stuck. But yeah,
people people consider it basically, you know, sacrificing to this bridge,
which I think most towns have some bridge like this
that they're like, ah, yep, another one hit it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Yeah. Well we also have that low one too that's
over by the Walgreens that they built it too low
to wear when it plunged. Yeah, oh really easily.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yes, I do know which one you're talking about, because
I do remember somebody died there when we got too
much rain.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I guess their car went into the water and they
tragically passed. Yeah, but it's risk the whole time. Even
when they were constructing it, they were like, maybe not
a good idea of our flood levels.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to see if I can find
an article about it.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Another urban legend.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Architecture of our.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
The most urban of legends. Bad urban planning.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, I've noticed a lot of it involves either corporate
greed or planning. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I did actually find unfortunate article about this. We had
gotten a lot of rain on Wednesday night, and it
was just hours after authorities recovered the body of a
teenage girl who was swept away by raging floodwaters from
an even worse storm the day before. So it looks
like there was three deaths. Three deaths were blamed on
(34:24):
the storm, which the National Weather Service said dumped half
foot of rain in the Cincinnati area. This article is
from July nineteenth, two thousand and one, on Deseret News.
I've never heard of this news site before. I'm trying
to say there's any more details. Steve Buckberger, an associate
(34:48):
professor and water resource engineer at the University of Cincinnati,
said the rain gage at his home in Montgomery recorded
more than six inches Tuesday night, and he's quoted saying
I've never seen anything like it in the twelve years
I tier. Yes, it was a lot of flash flooding,
and the sixteen year old who was unfortunately swept to
her death was Monica Kuchmar. So, uh, yeah, that that
(35:12):
is a very very dangerous area when we get flash flooding.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
And I remember because that was like, you know, like
when we were growing up. I remember what that's when
they put in the bridge. The bridge wasn't.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
There forever, you know, they yeah, it wasn't always there, and.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
My dad was terrified. He was like, that's really low
to the green about what could happen? And then when
it did happen and she tragically died, Yeah, he wentn't
right over it for a long time.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Fair the water.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Gets so high that all it takes is it to
flood and then you're you're gone. You know, that's just
not great.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, yeah, that area is really really scary there. And
what's wowd about it is like most people when they're
driving through there when it's a sunny day and it
hasn't rained in a while, you don't think it's gonna
get that high because it's just a tiny creek in
that spot, and then it rains and it basically becomes
like a river. So that area gets really dangerous, really
(36:15):
really fast so that I don't even know if that's
necessarily an urban legend. This is something that actually happened
and was really messed up and is bad urban planning.
And I'm actually really surprised they haven't rebuilt that bridge, honestly.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I think I mentioned something about like building up the
the sides of it are slot because then if they
build like a higher retaining wall or something.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That would be smart to do. I don't know if
they did or not, because I haven't been back in
a little while.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I'm not really sure.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Obviously, I don't love in Loveland either, and neither of
us are urban planners.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
But you know, I don't do any architecture.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
If your urban planning is bad enough that it has
murdered or I guess it's not murder, but if it's
killed at least one person, that's pretty bad. Your urban
planning should not have a body count. I'm trying to
think if there's any other legends. Oh, do you remember
(37:26):
the old school house downtown? It's not quite an Old
Loveland like Historic Loveland, but it's out towards oh, what's
that street there, like the main street that has the
library and the elementary school, on it.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
The schoolhouse there.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Yeah, it's not used as a schoolhouse anymore. Oh, Loveland
Art Studios is what I always saw it as. But
it was an old schoolhouse that they had turned into
art studios.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
No, what's up with that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
I remember people always telling me that one was haunted.
I never saw ghosts there. Yeah, Loveland Artist Studios, I'm main,
which apparently still exists. I wasn't sure if it still
exists or not, but yeah, I was always told that
it was an old haunted schoolhouse. Loveland weirdly has a
lot of groups dedicated to their history, and somehow I've
(38:25):
ended up in some of these groups, which is just
funny because I don't know how I ended up in
these groups. I'm trying to.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
See that obviously you appeal to the group.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Apparently, I'm trying to see because I remember somebody posting
a while back about this and they were actually able
to pull up some old yearbooks from the old schoolhouse.
I mean, obviously they weren't yearbooks like we have them
now because back when it was a school was still
black and white photography only. I'm trying to see if
(39:10):
I can find this groups. Oh, it's in the you
know if you're from Loveland, if I do remember it
being in there, which I was like, of course that's
going to be the name of this group.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I think I joined this looking for information on something.
On stuff like this, I'd be lurking in groups, you know,
looking for ghost stories. Oh, it looks like we have
a collar on the line though, So I'm going to
go ahead and grab that call while I look this up. Hello,
(39:47):
you're on with Strange Talk.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Hi, there is Noel I'm calling in. Usually I say
sub creeps.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, you have some some creepy confidential. Uh, some creepy
hometown lore for us. Oh?
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Absolutely? Uh so uh I might have talked to Alex
about this. So in Appleton, Wisconsin, That's where I'm from.
That I'm the weirdo Wisconsin right after all? In Wisconsin,
there is a huge cemetery that goes along the Fox River.
It's actually beautiful cemetery, and there's a kind of an
(40:28):
urban legend that exists with one of the residents that
is buried there. Her name, her actual real name is
Kate Blood, which maybe was what set her up this
this urban legend. But of course the claims, the claims
are always uh, you know, in the full moonlight, her
(40:48):
gravestone will use a substance that appears to be blood,
that's a big one, or that an apparition her is
seen near the gravestone. Oh so those are kind of
the things that exists with her in particular. Now what's
odd is that she's been called, you know, she was
an axe murderer or she was a witch. But there's
(41:12):
there's not any any like like facts to back up
what they're calling her. So it's kind of struck me.
I was born and raised there in Appleton. It's kind
of strange to me that, you know, like how how
did she get this kind of bad rap sort of thing.
And the particular location, the basic cemetery is very dense
(41:37):
stones like like usual old stone, very very old. And
then her little area she's not by herself and it's
this one tall stone all by itself in this little
kind of cutout of the woods. It's very strange that
it's all by itself. And even if you just walk
(41:58):
around it in the evening, just kind of checking it out,
it does have a very eerie.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Feel to it.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Uh huh.
Speaker 5 (42:05):
I've been I've investigated the stone, you know, like try
to figure out maybe it has something on it that
would make it appear to use if it was wet,
kind of like a copper statue Knight, Yeah, but alas nothing,
you know, there's no metal on it. It's just that
classic appearance. So I've always tried to figure out, you know,
(42:26):
what's the how did she? How did she get called this?
But she was an influential kind of settler of that area,
her family was. She's kind of known as the daughter
of Appleton and and it seems like there's no rhyme
or reason when the apparition appears. Yeah, And I've never
(42:46):
been able to catch it myself.
Speaker 3 (42:50):
Of being there.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
Yeah, So it's it's one of those strange urban legends
you know that pops up and you don't know, you
don't know how did she get the name? Why is
she still haunting there if she had such a nice life?
And and where did the axe murderer come from?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (43:09):
Like why yeah, like it's real. They just throw that
in there to try and you know, up up up
the vibe. It's very strange.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
I all, all urban legends need like a little a
little axe murderer added to it to make it extra creepy.
Speaker 5 (43:23):
You know, right right, just to kind of add to it.
And uh, and I'm not I'm not sure if you're
familiar with Chad Lewis. He's an author and a paranormal researcher.
He's also from Wisconsin as well, and and he could
also not pinpoint where the tales started. But it's it's
(43:43):
very strange. Usually you can always find, you know, the
first story appears somewhere either in like an old newspapers,
but the ghosts and the blood oozing, it's different. It
stands out and it's very strange.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
Yeah, the oozing blood is like that's a really classic
urban legend, like a nice creepy touch. And I'm glad. Yeah,
you were immediately like, Okay, is there medal or something,
because I feel like that a lot of times, like
losing blood like that it does end up being from metal,
but uh, yeah, that's that's super creepy.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Yeah, or or perhaps the you know, I've been a
paranormal investigator for ono twenty years myself, so it's like
the art of debunking, I think is strong within me.
The force is strong. And it was like, how it
could it be dirt? Could it be what? The stone
is made out of and it was. It's just it's
very it's very odd. And I say her story is
(44:42):
that she murdered her husband and children with an axe.
That's how she got the axe, murdered before committing suicide.
And then you know, though, if you look at the stone,
her husband outlived her, like the actual he is buried there.
He is, so it really, I just I've never I
never understood that urban legend, but it is still there
(45:03):
and it is very strong. Anybody in apathin but that's
looking for something every Internet search cake blood popped Up
or bloody Kate, I think is what she also is
known as Bloody Kate.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
I'm looking her up right now.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I was looking that up expecting to get a picture,
and then I'm like, wait, no, they would not have
a yeah wow.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
Yeah, So it's it's like I said, she doesn't have
some crazy fantastical story. The cemetery does have a kind
of an expansive, weird, creepy vibe to it because it's
old stones instead of new stones. But it's it's kept
up so people are always out there. She don't have
(45:46):
to like it was a vagrance that people saw was
that someone trying to like there's always somebody on the ground.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, yeah, and that is that's really interesting that they're like,
she murdered her husband and then you can see that
he actually outlifts her.
Speaker 5 (46:01):
Yeah, yeah, he absolutely he he out lived her, and
it was I could get I always I've been trying
over the years, still can't figure out where it comes from.
And I've been out there trying to catch the apparition, yeah,
and trying to see, you know, like like maybe I
can catch a glimpse of this apparition, because it might
not maybe it looks like something else. But I always
(46:23):
like the paranormal hanking ones that I've you know, wherever
I live or wherever I'm from, that one is always
just one that's been around forever.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Yeah, that's that's a really good, like classic classic urban legend,
especially you know, being set in a cemetery. That always
adds to it where you're like, yeah, yeah, that's a
good urban legend.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Right, Yeah, act murderer, that's it totally.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
Yeah, she had an X. We definitely weren't just like
reading about Lizzie Borden when I when we came up
with this.
Speaker 5 (47:05):
That's what that's what I have for you guys this evening.
I just wanted to call in and give that a
cool little.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Little Yeah, that's a good one. Thank you for sharing
that with us.
Speaker 7 (47:15):
You're very welcome.
Speaker 5 (47:16):
You're very welcome. Well, if you got to get some
cool callers, have a creepy evening.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, have a creepy evening. Thanks for calling in, all right,
bye bye? Nice awesome. Yeah, that was a good one. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
It's nice to hear about non lovelent ones too.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Right, Yeah, oh no, my music has randomly stopped. Oh
there it goes. Oh it was just enough time to
freak me out. Oh my gosh, it was just enough
time to be like, ah, the board it's haunted. That's funny. Awesome. Yeah, well,
(48:00):
I feel like that is like that is such a
good classic kind of urban legend set in a cemetery
and axes added to it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Yeah, I don't know what it is, the people's fascination
of axes an X.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
I feel like an axe is just like such a
classic murder weapon. You know, you got the shiny at
the public monster with the axe, like and I mean
you could go with the sword, but that's like a
little too dated.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, there's also like the
real killers that have used axes. So I'm not saying
that the ax isn't a murder weapon obviously, but like
you know, it's just like, you know, you have these
urban legends and immediately you're like, and there was an
axe involved.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
There's always an axe involved. Maybe maybe that's how you
start new urban legends. You just carry around an axe.
Speaker 7 (49:02):
Okay, I think I might have more problems than legend,
but like a fake ax, like a rubber ax, just
to like start in suburban legends, like for funzies, like
you remember all like all the creepy clown sightings.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
It's like that, but just with a rubber X.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Okay, but listen, the minute I get arrested, I am
calling you and I'm going to say, hey, Alice, remember
that time.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
But if it's okay, But if it's rubber, if it's rubber,
what are they gonna do rescue for walking around in
a Halloween costume?
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Yes they will.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
I am trying to think. I know that Lexington has
some like Jim Varney's grave is on Atlas Obscura, but
I don't know the legend around it. I don't I
don't know as much legends about Lexie as I should.
(50:15):
Apparently fans of his will leave cans of mellow yellow
there for him, which is interesting.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Camp Mellow Yellow, what'd you just say?
Speaker 2 (50:25):
Yeah, cans of mellow yellow like the soda.
Speaker 4 (50:29):
Wow, you know, like we're talking about urban legends.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
And then I heard Camp Mellow Yellow, and I was like,
is this like one of those like camps? Are we
talking like a versus?
Speaker 6 (50:45):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (50:46):
My gosh. Camp just reminded me, Uh, did you go
on our high school or middle school? One of the
two would always send us. I think our last year
middle school it was to Camp Kern. I did not
go to that now, so I went, but I went
on like a different week because they like split like
our whole grade in half and one week and one
(51:07):
went the next week. So I went with the wrong
week because I got sick. But I remember that one
of the things that they let us do there for
some reason, this was an option. We had like a
free time, and everyone picked an activity to do, and
me and two whole other people decided we wanted to
go to the cemetery in Camp Kern to do reliefs
(51:28):
of the tombstones. So we would take paper and do
kran to do reliefs with the tombstones. Why did they
let us do that? That's a weird thing to be like, hey, kids,
let's do this.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
But it also sounds like something you would do.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah, it was me and two
whole other people, because everyone went that's weird, way do
you want to do that? And I was like, I
didn't know there was a cemetery here. That's so cool.
That's really really funny that I completely forgot about that
until now.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
I had a disposable camera with me at camp there,
and I took the creepiest photos possible because it was
a disposable camera and all camps inherently just looked creepy.
Oh goodness, closing out all these steps.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Oh oh, I rtually I never got to experience that camp.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Well, maybe we'll go sometime and do some you know,
relief etchings crub or etchings. I don't remember what the
word for that is, but yeah, maybe we'll go do
some reliefs in the cemetery there that apparently is on
site at camp Oh. I did find, by the way, well,
Noel was telling her story, which, by the way, check
(52:46):
out Creepy Offidential. Yea, yeah, the art studio was built
in eighteen eighty eight. It was rebottled nineteen twenty five
to its current layout when it became Arts Studios. And
it was cool that it's still open because it is
ancient and yeah, you can see old, old pictures of it.
It was the West Loveland School building back when it
(53:08):
was a schoolhouse. But yeah, I always heard stories that
it was haunted by one of the school teachers who
would just stand in one of the windows. I never
saw that. Again, most of the things that I know
about where, you know, people would uh just tell me
these stories and I'd just be like, okay, Like King's
Islands supposed to be haunted too, I've never seen anything there.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
I mean I could believe enough people have oh yeah,
King's Island in really weird ways.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
That I maybe we should do an episode on that,
because there are supposed to be a lot of ghosts there.
Speaker 3 (53:43):
Yeah, like the King Clients specific ghosts.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, because I would love to get into that, but
we don't have that much time left and that would
take up some time because there's a lot of ghosts
that are there. I've never seen any of them. But
there's a lot of stories about deaths at King's Island
in that area in general.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
But yeah, oh.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Sorry what we're saying. No, I was just agreeing, Oh yeah, uh,
are there any other urban leges you can think of?
Before we have to sign off for the night we go.
We got like a couple of minutes left.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
Not for love on.
Speaker 6 (54:22):
No.
Speaker 3 (54:23):
I think that I think we're all good ives. You know,
it's on my end.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, I'm sure like as soon as we get off this,
I'll be like, oh yeah, I was told this one
story one time, because it's just a creepy place. And
that's not even counting the frog.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, we very carefully avoided mentioning the frog man.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
I feel like that we've we've talked about the Frogman
a little bit. I could do ten more episodes on
the frog, but like, I've never seen him. I would
really love to see him. I've never seen the frog.
All I've come up with looking for the frog is coyotes, so.
Speaker 3 (54:59):
You know, yeah, I mean I haven't seen the frog either.
I've seen apparitions in lovelondrosporition.
Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, we've seen plenty of ghosts together, which maybe Yeah,
we need to do an episode one on the ghosts
and deaths at King's Island, and I feel like we
could just do a full episode. That's just here's every
ghost that Vaine and I have seen together. Gosh wep,
(55:28):
I guess on that note, we can go ahead and
sign off for the night. So thanks for tuning in
and good luck. No, hold on, that's not the ending. Yeah, yeah,
there it is.
Speaker 6 (55:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
I was like, wait, I said that backwards. It's good
night and good luck. You know what I'm leaving that
in there. It's fine.
Speaker 3 (55:50):
Trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness,
never fading, always accessible.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
Less.
Speaker 8 (56:20):
Streams trapped in your body, a friend's existence.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Ala, who's help?
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Nice?
Speaker 1 (56:31):
And then an sunsmen no fakes not slave.
Speaker 8 (56:45):
My raps give your body.
Speaker 1 (56:55):
Like like like like who's hel me?
Speaker 7 (57:02):
No me?
Speaker 1 (57:11):
No sas nose no save.
Speaker 4 (57:19):
Sa.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
What you flgos to do is not going to pull content,
but could create content.
Speaker 8 (57:53):
Raise wife, miss solisation, see alive. So that what is
(58:24):
your body? What look like like like, what's help me?
Speaker 3 (58:42):
No?
Speaker 8 (58:43):
So I said nods no'm says nous
Speaker 1 (58:54):
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.