This week on Strange Talk, Alyx and Ginelle talk with Zach Bales, creator and mind behind The Paranormal Roadtripper's Nightmare Gallery, Somerset Kentucky’s eeriest attraction. Zach takes us deep into the process of bringing real paranormal encounters to life, sharing what goes into recreating cryptids, hauntings, ET encounters, and unsolved mysteries as immersive museum pieces.
The trio wades into classic paranormal territory: Kentucky cryptids, the blurry edges of Appalachian folklore, and the strange stories attached to some of Zach’s most unsettling items. Alyx and Ginelle pepper Zach with questions about what it’s like to run a horror-themed interactive gallery, how he sources objects with real histories behind them, and the odd experiences visitors sometimes report inside the museum.
Zach also shares behind-the-scenes tales from filming and investigations, chats about some of his favorite cases, and gives listeners a peek at the newest additions to the Nightmare Gallery. It’s an episode full of spooky stories, museum mishaps, eerie artifacts, and the kind of paranormal enthusiasm only Zach Bales can bring.
Whether you’re into haunted items, roadside attractions, or good old-fashioned Kentucky weirdness, get it all straight from the Paranormal Roadtripper himself.Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro, Agony by Scott Arc, Ghost Town by Scott Arc, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek.
The trio wades into classic paranormal territory: Kentucky cryptids, the blurry edges of Appalachian folklore, and the strange stories attached to some of Zach’s most unsettling items. Alyx and Ginelle pepper Zach with questions about what it’s like to run a horror-themed interactive gallery, how he sources objects with real histories behind them, and the odd experiences visitors sometimes report inside the museum.
Zach also shares behind-the-scenes tales from filming and investigations, chats about some of his favorite cases, and gives listeners a peek at the newest additions to the Nightmare Gallery. It’s an episode full of spooky stories, museum mishaps, eerie artifacts, and the kind of paranormal enthusiasm only Zach Bales can bring.
Whether you’re into haunted items, roadside attractions, or good old-fashioned Kentucky weirdness, get it all straight from the Paranormal Roadtripper himself.Music for this episode includes the Strange Talk Intro, Agony by Scott Arc, Ghost Town by Scott Arc, and backing tracks by LoFiGeek.
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Speaker 1 (01:27):
Good evening, and welcome to the hour dedicated to talking
about things strange, weird and paranormal. You're listening to Strange
Talk podcasting on sixteen sixty AM in Northside in ninety
one point seven FMHD two b vx U in Cincinnati.
We're also streaming at redorifuc dot com around the entire
planet Earth. The introtack to this episode in most of
our episodes is the Strange Chuck intro by Star Silk.
I'm your host, Alex, and we also have Janelle. There
(01:51):
we go, Oh, there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I thank you. Are stuck on mute for a second, and.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
We have a very special guest tonight too. If you
would like to introduce yourself, Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
My name is Zach Bales. I'm a public school teacher
from down in so Much Author and I run a
museum down in Pulaski County that is dedicated to all
things that go bump in the night.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's called the Nightmare and Gallery, Yes, the Nightmare Gallery.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You also recently became a colonel. Does that become officially
like part of your name?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Do you have to introduce yourself that way every time?
But not yet?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That is amazing that's so awesome.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
So we heard about your Nightmare gallery. Alex and I
were recently at Scarefest and this gentleman came up to
our booth and he was like, you know, I don't
really have any stories myself for your radio show, but
I know of this guy in my hometown that has
this gallery that I think you both need to check out.
(02:57):
And sure enough, yes, so we did. We looked into it.
We're so happy to have you here tonight. So as
you mentioned English teacher, author and museum owner or gallery
owner in.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
This case, so kind of like, how did you get
started in that a little bit?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Like what led you down this path of sort of
like paranormal the things that go bump the night. Was
that always an interest for you as a kid or
did you kind of like come into it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I always think my parents for getting me into this
sort of stuff. They were school teachers just like me,
and every summer they would put us into me and
my brother in the backseat of the car and we'd
take off on a family vacation. You know, this is
a teachers I guess we do at the time. And
we drive gosh in a once summer we dove Yellowstone
National Park one summer to the Grand Canyon. Well, I'll
never forget the year we went to the Grand Canyon.
(03:45):
I never really am interested. I don't think into the
paranormal until we were cruising down the highway there in
New Mexico on our way to Arizona. There were all
these billboards along the side of the road that said
brand new museum opening Roswell, New Mexico, UFO Museum grand
opening stop here, you know, however, many miles off the interstate,
and that always intrigued me, you know, driving down the
(04:06):
road seeing these things, or I was in the backseat
at the time, but my parents seeing these, and I
kept telling I said, you know, we ought to go
to this, We ought to go to this. It sounds
like fun, It sounds like it never really occurred to me.
How can you have a you know, how can you
have a museum dedicated to UFOs, Because up to that
point in my life, I guess I was on the
impression that UFOs were, you know, just not not a
(04:27):
real thing, or wasn't a you know, it was all fiction.
So how can you have a museum based on this
and that little trip we went out of the way,
and that kind of that kind of got me interested
in this, seeing those exhibits, seeing the displays that they
had based upon that famous UFO incident back in the
nineteen forties, that that peaked a lifelong interest in all
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things that go bumping the night, what I call the unusual,
the unexplained, and the other worldly.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's such a way to describe our show's tagline is
all things strange, weird, and paranormal.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So that parallels so perfectly.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yes, No, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
So I also noticed when talking about your Nightmare Nightmare
Gallery sometimes you refer to it as the paranormal road
trippers Nightmare Gallery. Is that because you tend to go
out a little bit and sort of like explore different states.
Because I did notice, I mean, you've been all across
the US and even international, you know, seemingly looking for
(05:28):
some of these unusual and you know, strange that's out there.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah, whenever I was, I guess, get a little older
and you have maybe a little more time on your hands,
and you start a career and whatnot, And I like
to take off in the summers too. I think again.
That was something my parents is still the importance of
a summer vacation. So yeah, every summer, my wife and
I for years and years, we've been taking off and
(05:54):
trying to seek out all those weird things you on.
Anytime we hear about a UFO siding or or a
ghost story or anything strange, we like to take off
and investigate those things for ourselves. And over the years
we've been to forty nine states into thirty countries all
over the world, and so over the years we kind
of adopted the moniker paranormal road trippers. We kind of
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use that to describe what we do. And so whenever
we finally opened a museum back in twenty twenty two
dedicated to all these strange topics, we wanted to call
it the Nightmare Gallery, but to be a little more specific,
we call it Paranormal road Trippers Nightmare Gallery because in
a lot of the circles we run, a lot of
the events we go to across the region, we sort
(06:37):
of go by that name, the Paranormal road Trippers.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Nice, No, that's so much fun.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
And I didn't notice looking on your map, it looks
like you haven't been to North Dakota yet is there
a reason for that?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I really kind of difficult to get up for it.
I don't know how we have waved.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We were we were coming with their own conspiracy theories.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
We're like, is he just not allowed in North Dakota
or the North Dakota's like out for them, like it's
just does nothing happen?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Like what?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
But I won't say this. And it's kind of fascinating.
People was looking because we're always looking to find that
moment to finally get it to North Dakota. And it's
kind of my attention that the tourism off is in Fargo.
They thick about T shirts and let you sign this thing.
I saved the best for last. Apparently so many people
in North Dakota as the last state that they visited
that they're they're starting to try to draw people there
(07:35):
and so if you if you North Dakota is the
last state that you visit, they'll give you a T
shirt that you sign this wall and h So, yeah,
now you know, I guess I say saved the best
for last exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Oh my gosh, what fun.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yes, I love that you made it to South Dakota.
But North Dakota was like, nah, nope, not yet.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
One of these days, on one of these days. Well,
there's so much in South Dakota, you know, there's so
many just interesting and not to say that North Dakota
doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, it just it took you so long to get
through South Dakota.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You haven't made it to North Dakota yet.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Exactly, exactly, No, that is so much fun. Oh that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Like I said, we were trying to figure it out.
We're like, I can't.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
It's a head scratcher. It was a little bit of
a head scratcher for us, so you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Absolutely absolutely. Yeah, our travels into into the unknown and
usually unexplaining the other worldly that that's usually the focus
of our trips. That's usually where and then we sort
of base on things along the way. So anytime we
hear about a ghost story or unusual things, we gotta
go check it ourselves. Yeah, because I started as a
(08:46):
skeptic when I first started investing things, so I guess
I can say almost you know, professionally, because I do
a lot of lighting about my about my travels, and
then anything we collect on the way we ends up
on display in our in our museum. You know, it's
kind of a we that's why we do it. We
were always trying to bring things back and I'm always
(09:06):
trying to find inspiration to write about. And I don't know,
it's a lot of fun. It's a fun thing to
be into. And I feel like today, in you know,
twenty twenty five, people are more interested in this subject
maybe than I feel like. Media allows for a lot
more festivals and conferences and these things to start popping up,
and like minded people are able to get together more often.
(09:29):
You know, there's a lot, but it seems like there's
a new festival, unusual festival popping up just about every
every year.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, I'd love to see that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, it's it's great, but it does make it hard, yeah,
unless you can have the time to travel to all
of them kind of Do you do you have any
favorites of all the places that you've been.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
A favorite places? Oh, my gosh, Well I'm partial to
the Stanley Hotel in Colorado, gorgeous, just you know, especially
with all the legends and attached to not to Mensis
in the Shining con and all that as well. I
just not to Mansion. You can't you can't go wrong
with the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh, exactly right, right place that.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Gosh, the Bay area, the Alcatraz and Alcatraz is one
of my favorite places. I know. It's got a lot
of haunted history as well, and internationally, you just can't
go wrong with it. And gosh, Prague, Gosh, I mean
there's so many. This past spring we had a chance
(10:36):
to go to Paris and to the Catacomb.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
The Catacombs, oh wow, on.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It haunted hotspot and yeah, I can't see anything. I
can't say I saw anything was there. That's the thing
I tell people about ghost hunting or investigating this subject.
It's a lot like fishing. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That is so funny you say that. I was just
on someone else's show and I said exactly that, where
I was like, oh yeah, it's kind of like fishing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Sometimes you're gone, not gonna so yeah, so I didn't
get it was still cool experience and it was one
that I checked off my bucket list, which yeah, you know,
hoom down there through those those catecombs of Paris.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah yeah, even if you didn't see anything weird, you
got to see a lot of bones. Yeah, did you
did you have any experiences at the Stanley either. I
just finally made it out there last year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I did, you did some of my gosh, what I
would consider to be some of my scariest experiences at
the Stanley Hotel. I did to spend the night in
one of the quote unquote most haunted rooms in the
in the hotel. I guess room two thirty seven is
the one that I'm sorry, room to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, two thirty seven is the one in the movie,
but the actual one I think is yeah, two seventeen.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting, like shining, I didn't stay
that room four room four oh one, which I think
was one of the ghosts had implied that it may
have been the one they thought that was the most
haunted in the building. Yeah, we had. We had some
pretty pretty uh spooky things happened to us right there
on the fourth floor. Uh. You know, that's that's considered
(12:17):
to be the most haunted for in the building. That's
where allegedly the girls that Stephen King wrote about in
The Shining famously the I don't think they're twins, but
the sisters.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
The sisters.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yes, I think that's where allegedly that that whole ordeal
is alleged to take place, and we, uh yeah, we
had kind of a kind of an experience there with
a few of our gadgets. Of course, we you know,
we bring uh go the prominent ghost hunting gadgets with this,
the digital audio order and the EMF detector. At night,
we have the type of motion since you're with this
(12:50):
that operates based on sound. Really it's more of a
kind of the mythst of I don't know. It's called
a pyramid. If you're into this sort of thing, you
might know what this device is. It's a kind of
a I don't know what it texts movement based upon sound,
high density sound frequencies. But now we'd set it out
and we got some really really unusual, unusual recordings on
(13:13):
this particular device and things that I don't know. They
still keep me up at I guess all these years later,
and that's been a decade ago.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So you all you said you've been to the here
the same in the hotel as well.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, yeah, I went there last year for the first
time and it was it was really really cool. I
did not have any paranormal experiences. But what I noticed
and kind of like what to me started making sense,
was because of the high elevation, there's so much electromagnetic
like static there. Like I don't know if you had
this experience when you were there, but in the elevator,
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if you got in there, your hair would just stick
straight up and anytime you'd hit the button, it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Would shock you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So I was like that, yeah, yeah, that might explain
at least some of the weird experiences people have there,
because that will definitely make you feel very creeped out.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah. Yeah, Well it's such a I love that they've
embraced their role in the way I understand it. For
many years they shied away from it. They didn't necessarily
associated with the paranormal, And now to see that they're
embracing it is uh. I guess it's a testament the
powerful war and to the willingness people are to travel
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to these sometimes far away locations to investigate this sort
of stuff. More and more hotels are doing this sort
of thing. Yes, you know that they tried to try
to avoid and get away from for so many years.
They're they're finally starting to embrace this stuff. I think
a lot of the National parks even, Yeah, a poster
for sale at Mammoth Cave National Park, and they were
(14:45):
embracing their I guess their proximity to the Hopkinsville, the
Kelly Little Green. Yeah, yeah, they were nicer for that
sort of thing in a National park. So that's cool
that even in the park Service they're they're starting to
embrace this folklore as well. It's cool. It's nice to
see it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, it is really really nice to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
There's just there's so much cool folklore pretty much almost anywhere. Honestly,
I feel like there's so many places that have like
local legends that they don't really talk about. So Loveland's
my hometown, and when I was growing up there, like
they did not talk about it at all, But because
of the festival, now they're starting to actually talk about it,
which is great.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Frog Man, I.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Guess, yeah, yeah, lovel and frog Man.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I have not made it to the event there, but
I've heard really good things.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, it's really cool. Yes, yeah, no, it's really nice.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Alex usually is there for the most part, whether they're
taking pictures or having a booth.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But no, it's totally right.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I remember we would normally go to Mothmanfest in Point Pleasant.
I feel like that is definitely an example of a
small town that kind of rallied behind It's sort of
like supernatural history and things along those lines.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And it took a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
The Frogmam Festival has not been going on for too long,
but yes, I think they're finally embracing it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, the town is finally.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
The town is finally embracing it. They're a little skeptical
at first, but you know, they're finally getting into it.
So it is very neat to see all that take
place and sort of pick up from there.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
The Mothman Festival for several years now, and it started
as a very very small Oh yeah, it did. Twenty
years ago. It was a tiny just around the statue
and that was about it. I think before that. It's
actually inside of the Mason Jar store, just a couple
of tables and maybe. Yeah, now got tens of thousands
(16:45):
of people showing up to yeah, and that's it's it's
it's inspiring, really yeah. Yeah, to see the power of folklore.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, for sure, even internationally.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
With British accents and German accents. Oh yeah, it's incredible
to me.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There was a couple of people at Mouth Memphis this year.
I think that they said they came over yet from
England to go to the festival, which is wild.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Right right, No, truly, it truly is.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
So.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I know you've been talking a little bit about your
ghost hunting experience, and you've talked about how kind of
like UFO just a bit that's sort of like sort
of like put it on your radar about some of
these paranormal things. I did see that one of your
books is based around bigfoot. So have you gone out
bigfoot hunting to like a couple of these national parks
or things to see if there is a bigfoot out there?
(17:38):
Or are do you six kind of like in Kentucky
as well, because supposedly supposedly he hangs around there too.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes, oh, yes, I've been interested in bigfoot for many,
many years as well, and I've spent a lot of
time in the woods looking for looking for bigfoot. And
that's one of the one of the things that's included
in the in the book is my own experiences with
bigfoot phenomena, or at least what I could say was
what I believe to be to be there, but yeah,
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we spend a lot of time. The book is titled
The Atlas of the Unexplained Bigfoot, and it's an atlas
in that it directs people to people who may not
know where many of the original siding locations, some of
the famous ones from the history of the big Foot phenomena,
where those locations took place. I was kind of determined
to seek them out myself and pinpoint them on a
(18:28):
map and come up with the exact GPS coordinates. All
too often, when there's these exciting, you know, sidings all
throughout history, the people who had these sidings, you know,
a lot of them have shuffled off this mortal court,
and some of the people who owe where these locations are,
they're not exactly keen on telling other people. I think
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everybody's will be convinced that they'll go there at some
point themselves and have their own experience and get famous
or what have you. And so I don't know. That's
always kind of upset in a little bit because I
feel like we're going to lose a lot of that
a lot of that history or to get lost in
the fog of memory and time. And so that was
why my wife and I kind of set out to
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do the research necessary creating this book. We wanted to
find a lot of those original locations that were at
risk of maybe being lost and finding the pinpointing the
exact coordinates to those locations, so the whole book contains maps.
The Bluff Creek film side, we had a chance to
spend a lot of time there in northern California, not
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far from Orleans, California, I guess, but it's way off
in the Six Rivers National Forest, very hard to get to,
a notoriously hard to get to, especially depending on the
time of year you're trying to get there, might even
be impossible to get there, but very difficult to get there.
And we were trying to make it easier on people
because we had followed some of the directions that we'd
(19:53):
found online and we went, and to be honest with you,
the very first time we went, we didn't even make it.
We got so turned around the directions that were available online,
we didn't even find the right spot. And when we
got home, that was only then that we realized, oh,
that wasn't it so well, gosh, we're going to get
another trip to California figured out and That was pretty
much what made me realize, you know, there's got to
(20:13):
be a better way. There's got to be a better way.
There needs to be pictures out there, there needs to
be coordinates, there needs to be a much more detailed
directions to get there. So, yes, our bigfoot investigations have
taken us as far away as California, but I know
a lot of research here in Kentucky as well, because,
like you said, Kentucky has in Ohio. Both Kentucky and
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West Virginia are historic and yes, yes, historic hotspots for
the bigfoot phenomena. And I always tell people at our
museum because the Nightmare Gallery is dedicated mostly to regional
regional phenomena, including regional bigfoot tales, and I always tell
my guests that some of the earliest documented bigfoot sidings
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actually took place here in the Kentucky Daniel Boone himself
claimed to have encountered famously claimed to have encountered a
big foot type creature as he was raising a trail
across the Cumberland Gap called Creature. At the time, a
Yahoo oh Travels was popular, and in that book, Gulliver
(21:19):
ran into a race of ape like creatures called Yahoo's
and so Boone's favorite book, and so he didn't know
any better. He went around telling everybody I ran into
one of those Yahoos cent a place to the modern
day mc County, Kentucky, Whitney City, Kentucky. And still to
this day, the local Boom allegedly ran into that Yahoo.
(21:42):
It still goes by the name of Yahoo. It's called
Yahoo Falls. It's a popularity nick area, hundreds of people
a day going there in the summer months, mostly probably
unaware of the Bigfoot history of the side. But if
you ask the Kentucky State Park Service, why do you
call this Yahoo Fall, they'll tell you, well, that's because
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that's where Daniel Boom killed the claimed to shot and
killed this creature on side. Yeah, back in seventeen eighty six.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I know.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's as part of the folklore that we try to
preserve at the museum all the anytime we think about
the regional legends like this, we try to create displays,
exhibits for them, and I don't know, all try to capture imaginations.
A lot of people who live in the area aren't
even familiar with you know, they're not really familiar with
the local folklore, which is a shame because and I
always tell guests to the gallery this. You know, there's
(22:37):
an old saying about legends that they only live as
long as the last person who remembers them. So we
don't strive to keep our local folklore, you know, our
local legends alive, and sooner or later these tales might
disdisappear or they might die completely, and to us be
a real shame.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yep, oh, I completely agree speaking of keeping like local
legends alive. The things in your museum, are they mostly
items that you acquire on your trips or do you
also take donations from people.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
We have a mixture of both. As I said, we're
always trying to base our trips around weird things that
whether museums or you know, local legends elsewhere in the world,
and so we're always trying to bring back bits and
pieces of other souvenirs, you know, different things. But we
also accept donations at the museum. I actually have a
(23:32):
I got an email this is probably forty hours ago
of a lady here in Kentucky who she said she
has an object in her house that she doesn't really
want to have in our house anymore. Actually, it's the objects.
She thinks they might be haunted, and she's wanting to
get rid of them. And so I told her that
(23:53):
I'm trying and swing by her home, which is a
little ways from my house. I have to make a
little bit of a drive. But she acts like she's
living in fear of these particular objects. And so I've
been trying swing by this weekend and pick these things
up and give them a place to to stay at
the at the Nightmare, Gally, You'll be surprised how many
people are reaching out to us from sometimes hundreds of
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miles away, sometimes thousands.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Of miles away, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Wanting to get rid of things that have been in trouble.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
A lot of haunted objects.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yes, yes, yeah, you christ. How many people reach out
to us, which a lot of Oftentimes it's untenable for
us to try to make it to these locations, and
people maybe don't have the means to try and travel
themselves to get to our location, so a lot of
them unfortunately go unanswered. Yeah, some of these any time
or something close to our area. And so yeah, a
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lot of a lot of the really interesting tales and things,
the items in a museum where things that were donated
to us by people all over this area.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, you can probably see in my background, I have
a collection of dolls that are mostly haunted dolls that
people were like, I need this out of my house,
and so my house has also become a small museum
of haunted objects that people did.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Not want in their homes anymore. And I went, yeah,
I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Do you ever have any usual activity? I wonder out
of the adults.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I don't. And that's sort of the amazing thing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I've had people who will like, sort of let me
borrow these objects, and when I give them back to them,
they're like, they don't seem to be haunted anymore. And
I'm like, I didn't really do anything. So I'm not
sure why. Maybe it's because I want to see it
too bad. I don't really know, but.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I feel the same way a lot of our guests
at the museum. You know, they'll come in with stories
about how they've experienced this and that, and they'll ask
me all the time, what have you experienced at the
museum and with different other haunted objects. And I'm not
as sensitive. I don't think that this sort of thing,
perhaps as other people are. Yeah. Fortunately, a lot of
a lot of the items that we have in our collection,
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I haven't personally witnessed any any paranormal actsivity out of them. However,
I have had guests to the museum shout and scream.
I'll have my back to a glass case speaking about
something that's in it, and a sudden, the people's faces,
you know, people staring at me with the case behind me,
their faces will just twist and terror and they'll scream
and shout that we four or five people who suddenly
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all had the same experience. They saw a movement of
some sort. We have a set of dolls, a pair
of dolls, a boy to girl doll, very old antique
that they have a whole incredible story really behind them.
But we've had more than four hundred guests to the
Nightmare Gallery in the past three years who have seen
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movement from these dolls, whether that be their eyes, move
their heads, their shoulders, elbows, hands, fingers, all sorts of things.
But most recent siding of dolls dolls moving was yesterday.
Got a lot of consistent activity out of some of
the so called haunted objects at our museum.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, wow, that's great. Well, hopefully, hopefully we'll get to
see some something move too.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yes, yeah, I absolutely, But we're not just dedicated. We're
not just dedicated to U ghosts and Bigfoot and monsters
and UFOs. We're also a big horror movie fans. In
the Nightmare Gallery, we have all sorts of kind of
exhibits dedicated to horror movie history, a lot of masked
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characters that you will see when you come through the door,
and from famous horror movies, and and really Kentucky has
a lot of connections to horror films as well that
we try to celebrate, including the Somerset area where a
museum is located. Believe it or not, the man who
was responsible for coming up with the look of Michael
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Myers from the Halloween series, the guy who realized that
you take a Captain Kirk mask and wide. Yeah, his
name was Tommy Lee Wallace and he was and raised
in Summerset, So we have quite a quite a shrine
you might say, built for for for him. And he
was also the writer, screenwriter and director of It the
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originally from the series. But that's just one of Kentucky's
mini connections to the horror movies. So we like, we
like that as well. So when I say all things
that go bump in the night, it's what we're dedicated to.
We're also we're also dedicated to horror movies and anything spooky,
anything kind.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Of creepy, strange, unusual, weird, paranormal.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You also have a number of screen used horror movie
props and costume pieces and uh all sorts of different
items that have appeared actually on screen in a number
of horror movies. We have props from the Friday to
Thirteen series, the Child's Play series, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series,
as well as the screen series, a lot of the
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big ones, and then some lesser known but some of
our very favorite films that even some very instead we
have some props. So I don't know, We're always adding things.
So even if you've been to the Nightmare Gallery before,
I guarantee if you wait a year and come back,
it's completely different. We move things around, added things. It's
it's a work in progress and we're hoping that it'll keep,
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you know, going for for indefinitely, I guess, for for
years and years to go.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah. Well, I mean you've got people people spreading the
word about the museum at Scarefest. So that's that's a
great sun too, that it's on the up and up.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
For sure, for sure.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yes, And I think it is great too. Like you said,
I feel like your museum has a little bit of everything.
So no matter what your thing is, whatever makes you jump,
or those whole things that you enjoy that go bump
the night, you'll have it there, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And I'll tell you some of our favorite guests are
the people who come in completely skeptical about.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Health.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
The skepticism is important thing, for sure, for sure. Sometimes
families will come in and the daughter, the son or
someone will have an interest in this kind of stuff,
and and mom and dad or grandma and grandpa or whoever,
they don't, you know, they're not interested in And they'll
tell you right up front. I don't. I don't really
get into horror movies, and I don't believe in any
of these, you know, ghosts, gobblins and things. But by
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the end of the tour, you know, it's always and
I guide all the tours myself. They take about half
an hour to sort of walk around and talk about
the displays we have. By the end of the tour.
I always try to ask them at the end, you know,
maybe I don't know, hearing all these tales and hearing
people's accounts and seeing the newspapers and some of the other,
you know, things that we have at the museum related
to these tales, is there any party that kind of
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wants to believe? I tell you what the gross interesting
thing of all is. It's oftentimes the biggest steptics, the
people who come in and say, I don't believe in ghosts,
I don't believe in Bigfoot. That when they get you
a loan, you know, the rest of the family goes
into the other room, you know, leaning real close, and
they'll say, all right, now that nobody else is listening,
I'm gonna tell you about what happened to me. Yes, yes,
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their tales, what's happened to them is more were outlandish
and more hiding and more like ground shaking than anything
else than anyone ever will tell you otherwise. It's it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Really, they're skeptics because they don't want to believe. They
don't want what happened to them to have happened to them.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I'm sure there is like a part of like the
human brain. That's like, well, that could not have been real,
because if it is real, then what else is possibly
you know, out there that you just can't fathom or
even like try to fully understand in a way.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So, no, that is amazing. That's so much fun.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Has anyone come to the museum that maybe not necessarily
a skeptic, but maybe had heard family tales and we're like, oh,
my gosh, I do think that this is potentially like
I had a family member that has like had an experience,
but they just didn't know at the time how to
explain it, you know, in that sense.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get a lot of a lot
of guests like that, always learning about People will come
from a town three or four counties over or the
next state over, and they'll say, have you ever heard this?
I'll be the first, Oh, no, you know, I haven't
heard of this tale, and they'll fill me in on
or pull them in with they're the legend of their
local ghost story and things. And I always tell people,
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now you need to come back, because I'm going to
try to incorporate that into the into the gallery. I
didn't realize until I started the Nightmare Gallery. Charles Manson
from the famous you know Manson murders in the nineteen sixties.
He had a lot of Kentucky and Ohio and Western juniors,
grew up in a number of towns and spent time
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with family members in a lot of the communities. There's
a house here in Kentucky that he spent a lot
of his youth then. And I had no idea. I
had no idea until I opened the gallery and you
start hearing these tales from people and their experiences, and oh,
I've been in there. I spent the night in there,
in these things, and so it's fascinating. I learned as
much as anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Else at the time.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Charles Manson did spend a lot of time in Cincinnati,
and because I from there originally, I was at a
bar and grill there one time and the owner actually
came out and we were sitting on the back deck
and he said, actually that Charles Manson had fallen off
that deck once and if he had been about a
couple inches back, he would have hit his head on
a stump and been dead. But he happened to just
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miss this tree stump and so survived the fall off.
This very tall deck. Cincinnati's all hills, and I was like,
that is amazing. I've never been able to find anything to,
you know, prove that that's true. But I mean, he
the way he said it was with such conviction that
I was like, I'd like to believe that.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, that's cool. That is cool. A lot of connections
like that, that's yeah. I mean, the Cincinnati area's got
a lot of oh yeah history and right across the river.
I'd heard in the Bobby Nacky's music. Yes, I yes,
I guess raised to the ground.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
But yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Hated to hear that. But I never had a chance, unfortunately,
to visit that. Okay, did you all ever get a
chance to visit Bobby Mackie's.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I have been there, but I never got to go
down to the basement where the activity was supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
My experience was the same as Alex's. However, my sister
did do a ghost hunting there and she did get
to go into the basement, and she did say that
there was some experiences that she had had there. She
also goes into a little bit of a skeptic, but
she's like, I was the only one down there and
being Cincinnati, there's she knows German to an extent, so
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we have a very large German you know, heritage here,
and she goes, there's a woman down there speaking German.
She was like, there is no one down here with me,
and even if they were, why would they be speaking German?
Like this does not make any sense. And so yeah,
she was. She was a little heartbroken to hear that
it ended up being you know, taken down.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But yeah, she did have an experience there.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
She said.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
It was one of the few places that she was like, no,
there is definitely something going on there. Y, yeah, for sure,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That doesn't crack me up.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sometimes these ghost hunting shows where they will go to
you know, say Paris, and they're ghosts hunting and they're
talking to these ghosts and getting responses in English, and
I'm like, shouldn't you be getting responses in French? If
there are French ghosts there? Maybe you're happening to get
bilingual ghosts.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Amazing, amazing how ghosts from like the seventeen hundred somehow
knew how to speak American English. Yes, in France, in France, yes,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think I mean everywhere has their own legends, Like
everywhere has got something spooky, but I think.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Appalachas specifically just has so much.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
There's so much rich history and legends through here, and
a lot of that goes into Europe because that was
one long mountain range before Pangaeas split apart. And it
just makes me wonder, like, what's what is in these
hills that makes it so spooky?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well, I tell you I call I call this region
the Bluegrass Triangle region, very paranormally active, and I often
cite the Civil War history, a lot of major battles,
one of the Bloodies or the Battle of Perryville, the
Union's first victory. I site, of course, the Native American
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history in this area by the name of Dragon Canoe,
if famously referred to Kentucky as the dark and Bloody ground,
tried to warrant settlers not to stop, not to settle here.
Of course that didn't stop them.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
For.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I mean, there's a lot of different reasons. The Bluegrass
Army Depot in Richmond. You all are familiar, you said earlier,
with the Mothman legend, and the t are of course
North Virginia with the Igloos, where a story that you
know that that's considered to be a sort of a
nexus paranormal activity, perhaps because of the existence of the
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of the T and T that seet down in the
earth in these things. Well, the Bluegrass Army Depot is
basically the same thing, but much much larger. We're talking
hundreds and hundreds of of these these igloos that are
And actually it was the chemical weapons, the chemical weapons
which were outlawed after the World Wars, and they sat
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here and would would, according to the local reports, would
seep down into the into the soil and get in
the water away all these things. I think they've since
gotten rid. They've slowly disposed won by one of the nuclears,
not the nuclear but the chemical stockpile. It was at
the Bluegrass Army Depot. But yeah, not is it possible
that the same sort of thing that was going on
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up in the poor Pleasant with the contaminants and whatnot,
or it happened in this area as well. I certainly
think it's a it's a possibility, and there's a lot
of reasons, and I talk about all these reasons at
the gallery, but I call it the blue Grass Triangle
kind of triangle. Yeah, because of all the people have
experienced all across the region.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, that is a fantastic name for it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And that's really funny you bring up the TNT area too,
because the first time that we ever.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Went out there, it wasn't on like your traditional maps.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Back then. We found a little hand drawn map on
someone's blog that was drawn on a napkin on how
to get to the TNT area.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
And I still have that saved in my phone.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's still how I find it every time, even though
it is now on actual maps and they will just
like bust you back there. But yeah, you used to
have to find a specific forum or somebody's blog post
to find like this hand drawn map that maybe isn't
very good to try to figure out how to get
to these places, and you may or may not be right.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
We got lost several times, yes, several times.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
The words.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Big Foot maps. I wrote a book about UFOs and
one of them off Man, and I was determined to
pinpoint the exact locations where many of the original Mothman
sidings took place. Yes, and here were those were actually
out in the area at homes, because back in the
nineteen sixties there were there were homes in the area,
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right near by to these igloos homes aren't there anymore.
But several of the famous famous sightings that took era
were very difficult to find, and I had to collaborate
with several of the locals. We had to get her
hiking boots on and way out.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Into the.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Try to find these things down, but we got them
down to an exact coordinates within just a few yards,
perhaps before famous incidences took place. Marcella Bennett famously she
she had was so shocked by the appearance of the
mothman at a home in the t t area that
she had actually she was holding her baby Tina at
the time she dropped the child, so shocked by the
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appearance of this creature that she dropped the child and
was frozen in fear for s minutes or several seconds before.
I think it was a relative sort of grabd and
baby as well. Maybe it's fine, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, yeah, Tina's fine.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Tina, Tina was okay.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Raised them both into the into the house that was there,
But the house is no longer there, and to my knowledge,
that location had been fully lost to the history for decades,
for five six decades before before me and a handful
of other locals. We we went out there with the
idea that we're going to put this in my book
Atlas of the Way moth Man, until we were able
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to find the exact location where this took place.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's I think that's great that the locals
are now also kind of embracing that, because, like we said,
this Mothman festsmen going on for quite a few years,
and I know, you know, for the few times we've
gone there, does sometimes seem to be quite a few
locals that are like, this is silly. They don't want
to talk about it. They'd rather just not have anything
to do with it. And it does seem like recently
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when we go out there, people are more willing to
talk about it a little more, even if it is
kind of candid. I think we were out there, like
a couple of years ago, we were getting dinner. Waitress
comes up to us and says, hey, were you guys
in town for the festival?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
We said yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
She kind of told us my mom had a friend
that hadn't experience with the Mothman. Yeah, and sort of
told us that tale. And I don't know if that
would have happened, you know. Oh, no, fifteen twenty years ago,
there have been no way. She was like her friend
was never the same again, and it was just, yeah,
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it's interesting and the people are bracing.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
The original Mothman witnesses Roger Scarberry.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, are that night during yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Famous chase the Highway in nineteen sixty six. He just
recently came out of the woodwork for the first time.
And yes, basically I guess faced a lot of ridicule
when he had come forward with y yeah, right and
escape the town. Wanted to escape the legend. And a
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pretty significant distance from point Pleasant. It's not too far,
I guess, kind of between us Cincinnati and in Somerset,
and just recently came out of the woodwork to finally
tell his story for the first time. So many so, yeah,
that was kind of a big moment when he finally
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came forward. We have kind of a misconception, I always
tell people before before right across West Virginia, Yeah, Pleasant,
I think, is you know, considered to be the nexus
of the Mothman. Yes, it had the most sidings, and
they had obviously the the bridge collapsed, the many black sidings,
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all these other things that really made the story stand out.
But yeah, there were other towns across across And I
tell you what at the Mothman Festival this year, and
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
To hide the good go to your fine, go for it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
There is a guy came over to her table and
he was wearing a T shirt that said said Clinton
in West Virginia. The side of the original Mothman siding.
Original was under underline and underneath it said Koot Cemetery.
Now I didn't have hard to tell him, but this
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is a big issue. This is something that I ran
into when I was writing this book. Kot Cemetery is
not where the Mothman was originally seen in the town
of Clinton. It was Ramer Hill Cemetery. There is a
man the graveyard. The guys who were digging the grave
in the cemetery that night, we're digging away for a
man named Homer Smith. Well, this will happened. There were
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two Homer Smith's in clintonnon who died in a couple
of art and Kont Cemetery. There is a grave that
says Homer Smith's Grave and the State of West Virginia
recognized that cemetery. One of their Historic Societies recognized that
cemetery as the one where the Mothman had flown over
the graveyard. And if you actually look into the history
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that Homers Smith he died a couple of years before
before the Mockman was ever seen, and the actual cemetery
is Rehear cemetery, and so there's an auto misinformation out there. Yeah,
and that's why I'm determined to uh, to keep documenting
these things and writing about these tales and talking the
exact locations, because in my estimation, if we don't do
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these things, and sooner or later, everybody will be wearing
a t shirts say the Koot Cemetery was the cemetery
where you know, went back to ten miles away was
with the actual siding took place.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
We're gonna up with.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Two grades to Homer Smith's grace and in the town
and clin the odds are that part? Yeah, I mean Smith.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Is a common last name, but right, it's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Wait, we've definitely had the similar problems in Loveland because
most of the people who saw the frog originally are
not alive or also most of the people most the
first sightings were police who were then ridiculed and then
they later retracted. Oh no, we didn't see a frog,
we saw a talis iguana because they were getting made
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fun of and so they kind of recounted their tail.
But the problem with that is I think that's part
of why people don't really talk about there is just
like there's not really anybody to tell their stories anymore.
Up until the sighting when people were playing Pokemon Go
and there was finally a recent sighting of the Love
and Frog that kind of revived a lot of that
as well.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I think that's fun.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, it's tricky trying to get that history like right
when it happens, to make sure it doesn't get lost.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
For sure. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Mentioning the Blue Gas Triangle. Have you ever been to
the Bermuda Triangle or is that somewhere on your list
to go to.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I've never been down that way. I'd love to. I'd
love to make it.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
So, yeah, that might have to be the final final place.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
If you think about it, though, that might just have
to be like the end.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
You never know, I don't think yeah, they never come back.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Right, right, That's what I mean. Like that that might
just have to be it.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, when you're when you're ready to retire, you can
pull a Bilbo Baggins and go to the Bermuda Triangle
and just kind of disappear on people and become your
own legend.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
What a way to go? What a way to go?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, you mentioned you have another book right now, your
your passport book.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
So I want to make sure we talk.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
It's something. Oh absolutely, It's something I've been putting together
for a couple of years now. It's actually hot off
the press. I got my first copies of this this
passport just a week ago. I was hoping to have
them before before Halloween because this passport is more geared
towards spooky stuff and then people being more interested in
it now. But I'll have it for Christmas. I'm calling
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it the Paranormal Passport of South Central Kentucky. Years ago,
they had a Bourbon Trail passport here in Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Oh yeah, yes.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
He went into all the different distilleries and you got
the stamps at each distillery, went to all however many
there were at the time, and you sent the passport.
It got all the stamps, and then you sent the
passport in. They would send you a T shirt or
a prize of some sort. I believe it was a
T shirt. I think I have one myself. But long
story short, I was determined to create a passport related
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to this area of Kentucky where a museum is in.
So I selected twelve of sort of the strange places
around here, not just ghost stories, but also some of
the cryptid sidings that have been here around here, even
some of the true crime sidings. One of the country's
most notorious serial killers actually spent a lot of time
in south central Kentucky, the Angel of Death, Donald Harvey.
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Actually you know, murderers and dirty work in this area.
But I found those as well as other a UFO.
There was a famous UFO pbduction case from this area
as well, and well, not long story short, I took
twelve of these unusual sites and I created a passport
for them. And then I reached out to a lot
of local businesses and even the state park in this area,
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and a couple of state parks in this area, the
National Monument in this area as well, and they've all
agreed to be the passport sticker pickup points. And so
people who get to the passport, they come to the gallery,
they buy the passport. Here I'm selling for twelve dollars
and that actually just helps me recoup the price of
the passport. And then I've actually put stickers all around
south central Kentucky. So if you go to each of
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these locations, there's a customized sticker and you put each
one in your passport, and then you come back and
if you get them all, I'll give you a prize
as well. So we're we've got it also set up
and ready to go. I think our plan is to
kickstart this thing at the beginning of December. So if
you're looking for an unusual Christmas gift or something I haven't,
come down to the gallery and get a paranormal passport.
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I guarantee it'll take them on quite an invent to
a lot of interesting locations. They'll be able to ask
these local businesses you know, what do you know about this?
And we've contacted some businesses and business owners who have
experienced things themselves and are eager to talk about their
their role in the definitely something we're just trying to
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get people interested in before we want people too.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Again, we're trying to keep these legends. That's that's our
main goal with the Nightmare Gallery, and that's my main
goal with writing my books is I just want to
keep these legends alive. I think that's our responsibility.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I did something similar. I got married.
Oh my gosh, Slo's been two years, so my first
year winning Verstors earlier this year. My husband had never
been to Point Pleasant, so I made for one year
anniversary a Point Pleasant passport and we did polaroids far
so I was like, this was him with the with
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the statue, and then we went to the T and
T area got totally lost and we're like, I think
we're here. So I love stuff like that and that
is so much fun to do and see. And yeah,
the locals got really into it. A lot of people
didn't realize polaroids were still a thing mm, so that
threw them off. They were expecting a digital camera, but
we got there. So No, that's amazing. And I know
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you said that you're planning on this being ready right
around December. I think you also mentioned you're getting ready
to do a crampus of it as well for the
for the gallery.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yes, every December, we have two saturdays in a row
where we have an I'll break the character in an
actor come in and it's not the real Crampus, I guess,
but you know it. Don't tell everybody that I don't know.
If that right, I yuess may be convinced that it
is the real Carampus, but comes in spends a couple
of hours in the afternoon. We set up sort of
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a throne room of sale of sorts for Grampus and
allow people to get their photos with him. He'll tell
you if you've been naughty or nice for the year,
may give you a sign and ahold thanks for an
interesting and interesting Christmas theme photo that may be a
little different perhaps than the traditional Santa Claus photo. But
this is our fourth year doing this kind of event.
We always try to add different twists on it each
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year and add things to the experience. So yeah, if
you like us on Facebook, Facebook, dot com slash Paranormal
road Trippers Nightmare Gallery, we're always posting about our upcoming
events and any sort of guest speaking engagements. I do
a lot of guest speaking and book releases and anything
else we've got going on at the gallery. In the summers,
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we have a lot of regional experts on paranormal phenomena
come down and we always have a free outdoor movie screenings,
which are preceded by a free outdoor presentation by a
paraoral kirt. We've had people come from all over really
the region, all over the country, authors and investigators, and
they give these presentations and afterwards we show horror movies.
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As a school teacher, I'm always here in students say
you know, there's just nothing to do around here. This
is what they say, there's nothing to do with it. Yeah,
now that's not true, because my dolly, I know, once
a month on a Saturday night there's a weird presentation
going on in a horror. Horror movies are all PG thirteen,
So the kids idea younger people can come see these things.
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And there's crampus coming around Christmas, and there's a passport
and you can go and go to these haunted locations.
So there's always something to do. So I always show
that in the students when they tell me this, I
always like to throw that in their face and say, no, no, no,
I know.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
That's not true. You're not looking at the right places
right right.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
That's awesome. No, and you're so true.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
That's the number one thing you hear, toy like, I
don't have anything to do anymore, Like, well, at least
one thing for you, maybe too, So you out there
and have some fun.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Oh that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
I feel like any kid if left flown long enough,
eventually will we'll start getting into like ghost hunting or
some kind of folklore if you give them enough time.
At least that's what happened to me. Well, we're at
the top of the hour here. Thank you so much
for coming on, and we can't wait to check out
the museum. Is there anything else you want to make
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sure we talked about before we sign off for the night.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
No, not really, I just tours are free of the
Nightmare Gallery. All you got to do is go to
Nightmare Gallery dot net. Somerset's located not far from my
seventy five, just south about now hour's drive south of Lexington.
So now come see this book a tour. I guide
all the tours myself. It's very easy to book a
tour if you go to night Gallar dot net. You
select the time you'd like to come and and I'm
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usually there with smiling face. If I'm not there, it's
probably my dad. It's a home owned business.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Oh my gosh, what fun.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Wasn't always interesting stuff. He's listened to me give enough
tours that he he doesn't probably for his score at
this point, so that, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Well that's been awesome. It's been right having you on here, Zack.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I think you know, we're definitely gonna be checking you
out soon and hopefully some of our listeners head on
down do a passport, you know, maybe get.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
A picture of Crampish and see what's going on.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all tonight.
Interested in catching back up, I'd be happy to do it.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Oh, absolutely, And you're you're not that far so.
Speaker 4 (54:24):
That's true. Awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Well, we'll go ahead and sign off for the night.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
Good night, and good luck again.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
You are listening to Radio Art Effect on sixteen sixty MAN.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
In north Side and ninety one point seven s MHD
to w b x U in Cincinnati. H
Good evening, and welcome to the hour dedicated to talking
about things strange, weird and paranormal. You're listening to Strange
Talk podcasting on sixteen sixty AM in Northside in ninety
one point seven FMHD two b vx U in Cincinnati.
We're also streaming at redorifuc dot com around the entire
planet Earth. The introtack to this episode in most of
our episodes is the Strange Chuck intro by Star Silk.
I'm your host, Alex, and we also have Janelle. There
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we go, Oh, there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I thank you. Are stuck on mute for a second, and.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
We have a very special guest tonight too. If you
would like to introduce yourself, Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
My name is Zach Bales. I'm a public school teacher
from down in so Much Author and I run a
museum down in Pulaski County that is dedicated to all
things that go bump in the night.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's called the Nightmare and Gallery, Yes, the Nightmare Gallery.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You also recently became a colonel. Does that become officially
like part of your name?
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Do you have to introduce yourself that way every time?
But not yet?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
That is amazing that's so awesome.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us tonight.
So we heard about your Nightmare gallery. Alex and I
were recently at Scarefest and this gentleman came up to
our booth and he was like, you know, I don't
really have any stories myself for your radio show, but
I know of this guy in my hometown that has
this gallery that I think you both need to check out.
(02:57):
And sure enough, yes, so we did. We looked into it.
We're so happy to have you here tonight. So as
you mentioned English teacher, author and museum owner or gallery
owner in.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
This case, so kind of like, how did you get
started in that a little bit?
Speaker 5 (03:14):
Like what led you down this path of sort of
like paranormal the things that go bump the night. Was
that always an interest for you as a kid or
did you kind of like come into it a little bit.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I always think my parents for getting me into this
sort of stuff. They were school teachers just like me,
and every summer they would put us into me and
my brother in the backseat of the car and we'd
take off on a family vacation. You know, this is
a teachers I guess we do at the time. And
we drive gosh in a once summer we dove Yellowstone
National Park one summer to the Grand Canyon. Well, I'll
never forget the year we went to the Grand Canyon.
(03:45):
I never really am interested. I don't think into the
paranormal until we were cruising down the highway there in
New Mexico on our way to Arizona. There were all
these billboards along the side of the road that said
brand new museum opening Roswell, New Mexico, UFO Museum grand
opening stop here, you know, however, many miles off the interstate,
and that always intrigued me, you know, driving down the
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road seeing these things, or I was in the backseat
at the time, but my parents seeing these, and I
kept telling I said, you know, we ought to go
to this, We ought to go to this. It sounds
like fun, It sounds like it never really occurred to me.
How can you have a you know, how can you
have a museum dedicated to UFOs, Because up to that
point in my life, I guess I was on the
impression that UFOs were, you know, just not not a
(04:27):
real thing, or wasn't a you know, it was all fiction.
So how can you have a museum based on this
and that little trip we went out of the way,
and that kind of that kind of got me interested
in this, seeing those exhibits, seeing the displays that they
had based upon that famous UFO incident back in the
nineteen forties, that that peaked a lifelong interest in all
(04:48):
things that go bumping the night, what I call the unusual,
the unexplained, and the other worldly.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's such a way to describe our show's tagline is
all things strange, weird, and paranormal.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
So that parallels so perfectly.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Yes, No, that's awesome.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
So I also noticed when talking about your Nightmare Nightmare
Gallery sometimes you refer to it as the paranormal road
trippers Nightmare Gallery. Is that because you tend to go
out a little bit and sort of like explore different states.
Because I did notice, I mean, you've been all across
the US and even international, you know, seemingly looking for
(05:28):
some of these unusual and you know, strange that's out there.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
Yeah, whenever I was, I guess, get a little older
and you have maybe a little more time on your hands,
and you start a career and whatnot, And I like
to take off in the summers too. I think again.
That was something my parents is still the importance of
a summer vacation. So yeah, every summer, my wife and
I for years and years, we've been taking off and
(05:54):
trying to seek out all those weird things you on.
Anytime we hear about a UFO siding or or a
ghost story or anything strange, we like to take off
and investigate those things for ourselves. And over the years
we've been to forty nine states into thirty countries all
over the world, and so over the years we kind
of adopted the moniker paranormal road trippers. We kind of
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use that to describe what we do. And so whenever
we finally opened a museum back in twenty twenty two
dedicated to all these strange topics, we wanted to call
it the Nightmare Gallery, but to be a little more specific,
we call it Paranormal road Trippers Nightmare Gallery because in
a lot of the circles we run, a lot of
the events we go to across the region, we sort
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of go by that name, the Paranormal road Trippers.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Nice, No, that's so much fun.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
And I didn't notice looking on your map, it looks
like you haven't been to North Dakota yet is there
a reason for that?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I really kind of difficult to get up for it.
I don't know how we have waved.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
We were we were coming with their own conspiracy theories.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
We're like, is he just not allowed in North Dakota
or the North Dakota's like out for them, like it's
just does nothing happen?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Like what?
Speaker 3 (07:12):
But I won't say this. And it's kind of fascinating.
People was looking because we're always looking to find that
moment to finally get it to North Dakota. And it's
kind of my attention that the tourism off is in Fargo.
They thick about T shirts and let you sign this thing.
I saved the best for last. Apparently so many people
in North Dakota as the last state that they visited
that they're they're starting to try to draw people there
(07:35):
and so if you if you North Dakota is the
last state that you visit, they'll give you a T
shirt that you sign this wall and h So, yeah,
now you know, I guess I say saved the best
for last exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Oh my gosh, what fun.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yes, I love that you made it to South Dakota.
But North Dakota was like, nah, nope, not yet.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
One of these days, on one of these days. Well,
there's so much in South Dakota, you know, there's so
many just interesting and not to say that North Dakota
doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, it just it took you so long to get
through South Dakota.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
You haven't made it to North Dakota yet.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Exactly, exactly, No, that is so much fun. Oh that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Like I said, we were trying to figure it out.
We're like, I can't.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
It's a head scratcher. It was a little bit of
a head scratcher for us, so you know, yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Absolutely absolutely. Yeah, our travels into into the unknown and
usually unexplaining the other worldly that that's usually the focus
of our trips. That's usually where and then we sort
of base on things along the way. So anytime we
hear about a ghost story or unusual things, we gotta
go check it ourselves. Yeah, because I started as a
(08:46):
skeptic when I first started investing things, so I guess
I can say almost you know, professionally, because I do
a lot of lighting about my about my travels, and
then anything we collect on the way we ends up
on display in our in our museum. You know, it's
kind of a we that's why we do it. We
were always trying to bring things back and I'm always
(09:06):
trying to find inspiration to write about. And I don't know,
it's a lot of fun. It's a fun thing to
be into. And I feel like today, in you know,
twenty twenty five, people are more interested in this subject
maybe than I feel like. Media allows for a lot
more festivals and conferences and these things to start popping up,
and like minded people are able to get together more often.
(09:29):
You know, there's a lot, but it seems like there's
a new festival, unusual festival popping up just about every
every year.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, I'd love to see that.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Yeah, it's it's great, but it does make it hard, yeah,
unless you can have the time to travel to all
of them kind of Do you do you have any
favorites of all the places that you've been.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
A favorite places? Oh, my gosh, Well I'm partial to
the Stanley Hotel in Colorado, gorgeous, just you know, especially
with all the legends and attached to not to Mensis
in the Shining con and all that as well. I
just not to Mansion. You can't you can't go wrong
with the Rocky Mountains.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Oh, exactly right, right place that.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Gosh, the Bay area, the Alcatraz and Alcatraz is one
of my favorite places. I know. It's got a lot
of haunted history as well, and internationally, you just can't
go wrong with it. And gosh, Prague, Gosh, I mean
there's so many. This past spring we had a chance
(10:36):
to go to Paris and to the Catacomb.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
The Catacombs, oh wow, on.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
It haunted hotspot and yeah, I can't see anything. I
can't say I saw anything was there. That's the thing
I tell people about ghost hunting or investigating this subject.
It's a lot like fishing. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
That is so funny you say that. I was just
on someone else's show and I said exactly that, where
I was like, oh yeah, it's kind of like fishing.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
I love that.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Sometimes you're gone, not gonna so yeah, so I didn't
get it was still cool experience and it was one
that I checked off my bucket list, which yeah, you know,
hoom down there through those those catecombs of Paris.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Yeah yeah, even if you didn't see anything weird, you
got to see a lot of bones. Yeah, did you
did you have any experiences at the Stanley either. I
just finally made it out there last year.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
I did, you did some of my gosh, what I
would consider to be some of my scariest experiences at
the Stanley Hotel. I did to spend the night in
one of the quote unquote most haunted rooms in the
in the hotel. I guess room two thirty seven is
the one that I'm sorry, room to seventeen.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
Yeah, two thirty seven is the one in the movie,
but the actual one I think is yeah, two seventeen.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Yeah, I'm getting I'm getting, like shining, I didn't stay
that room four room four oh one, which I think
was one of the ghosts had implied that it may
have been the one they thought that was the most
haunted in the building. Yeah, we had. We had some
pretty pretty uh spooky things happened to us right there
on the fourth floor. Uh. You know, that's that's considered
(12:17):
to be the most haunted for in the building. That's
where allegedly the girls that Stephen King wrote about in
The Shining famously the I don't think they're twins, but
the sisters.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
The sisters.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Yes, I think that's where allegedly that that whole ordeal
is alleged to take place, and we, uh yeah, we
had kind of a kind of an experience there with
a few of our gadgets. Of course, we you know,
we bring uh go the prominent ghost hunting gadgets with this,
the digital audio order and the EMF detector. At night,
we have the type of motion since you're with this
(12:50):
that operates based on sound. Really it's more of a
kind of the mythst of I don't know. It's called
a pyramid. If you're into this sort of thing, you
might know what this device is. It's a kind of
a I don't know what it texts movement based upon sound,
high density sound frequencies. But now we'd set it out
and we got some really really unusual, unusual recordings on
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this particular device and things that I don't know. They
still keep me up at I guess all these years later,
and that's been a decade ago.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So you all you said you've been to the here
the same in the hotel as well.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, yeah, I went there last year for the first
time and it was it was really really cool. I
did not have any paranormal experiences. But what I noticed
and kind of like what to me started making sense,
was because of the high elevation, there's so much electromagnetic
like static there. Like I don't know if you had
this experience when you were there, but in the elevator,
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if you got in there, your hair would just stick
straight up and anytime you'd hit the button, it.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Would shock you.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
So I was like that, yeah, yeah, that might explain
at least some of the weird experiences people have there,
because that will definitely make you feel very creeped out.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah. Yeah, Well it's such a I love that they've
embraced their role in the way I understand it. For
many years they shied away from it. They didn't necessarily
associated with the paranormal, And now to see that they're
embracing it is uh. I guess it's a testament the
powerful war and to the willingness people are to travel
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to these sometimes far away locations to investigate this sort
of stuff. More and more hotels are doing this sort
of thing. Yes, you know that they tried to try
to avoid and get away from for so many years.
They're they're finally starting to embrace this stuff. I think
a lot of the National parks even, Yeah, a poster
for sale at Mammoth Cave National Park, and they were
(14:45):
embracing their I guess their proximity to the Hopkinsville, the
Kelly Little Green. Yeah, yeah, they were nicer for that
sort of thing in a National park. So that's cool
that even in the park Service they're they're starting to
embrace this folklore as well. It's cool. It's nice to
see it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yeah, it is really really nice to see it.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
There's just there's so much cool folklore pretty much almost anywhere. Honestly,
I feel like there's so many places that have like
local legends that they don't really talk about. So Loveland's
my hometown, and when I was growing up there, like
they did not talk about it at all, But because
of the festival, now they're starting to actually talk about it,
which is great.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Frog Man, I.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Guess, yeah, yeah, lovel and frog Man.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
I have not made it to the event there, but
I've heard really good things.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, it's really cool. Yes, yeah, no, it's really nice.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
Alex usually is there for the most part, whether they're
taking pictures or having a booth.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
But no, it's totally right.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
I remember we would normally go to Mothmanfest in Point Pleasant.
I feel like that is definitely an example of a
small town that kind of rallied behind It's sort of
like supernatural history and things along those lines.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
And it took a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
The Frogmam Festival has not been going on for too long,
but yes, I think they're finally embracing it a little bit.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, the town is finally.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
The town is finally embracing it. They're a little skeptical
at first, but you know, they're finally getting into it.
So it is very neat to see all that take
place and sort of pick up from there.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
The Mothman Festival for several years now, and it started
as a very very small Oh yeah, it did. Twenty
years ago. It was a tiny just around the statue
and that was about it. I think before that. It's
actually inside of the Mason Jar store, just a couple
of tables and maybe. Yeah, now got tens of thousands
(16:45):
of people showing up to yeah, and that's it's it's
it's inspiring, really yeah. Yeah, to see the power of folklore.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, for sure, even internationally.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
With British accents and German accents. Oh yeah, it's incredible
to me.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
There was a couple of people at Mouth Memphis this year.
I think that they said they came over yet from
England to go to the festival, which is wild.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Right right, No, truly, it truly is.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
So.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I know you've been talking a little bit about your
ghost hunting experience, and you've talked about how kind of
like UFO just a bit that's sort of like sort
of like put it on your radar about some of
these paranormal things. I did see that one of your
books is based around bigfoot. So have you gone out
bigfoot hunting to like a couple of these national parks
or things to see if there is a bigfoot out there?
(17:38):
Or are do you six kind of like in Kentucky
as well, because supposedly supposedly he hangs around there too.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yes, oh, yes, I've been interested in bigfoot for many,
many years as well, and I've spent a lot of
time in the woods looking for looking for bigfoot. And
that's one of the one of the things that's included
in the in the book is my own experiences with
bigfoot phenomena, or at least what I could say was
what I believe to be to be there, but yeah,
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we spend a lot of time. The book is titled
The Atlas of the Unexplained Bigfoot, and it's an atlas
in that it directs people to people who may not
know where many of the original siding locations, some of
the famous ones from the history of the big Foot phenomena,
where those locations took place. I was kind of determined
to seek them out myself and pinpoint them on a
(18:28):
map and come up with the exact GPS coordinates. All
too often, when there's these exciting, you know, sidings all
throughout history, the people who had these sidings, you know,
a lot of them have shuffled off this mortal court,
and some of the people who owe where these locations are,
they're not exactly keen on telling other people. I think
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everybody's will be convinced that they'll go there at some
point themselves and have their own experience and get famous
or what have you. And so I don't know. That's
always kind of upset in a little bit because I
feel like we're going to lose a lot of that
a lot of that history or to get lost in
the fog of memory and time. And so that was
why my wife and I kind of set out to
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do the research necessary creating this book. We wanted to
find a lot of those original locations that were at
risk of maybe being lost and finding the pinpointing the
exact coordinates to those locations, so the whole book contains maps.
The Bluff Creek film side, we had a chance to
spend a lot of time there in northern California, not
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far from Orleans, California, I guess, but it's way off
in the Six Rivers National Forest, very hard to get to,
a notoriously hard to get to, especially depending on the
time of year you're trying to get there, might even
be impossible to get there, but very difficult to get there.
And we were trying to make it easier on people
because we had followed some of the directions that we'd
(19:53):
found online and we went, and to be honest with you,
the very first time we went, we didn't even make it.
We got so turned around the directions that were available online,
we didn't even find the right spot. And when we
got home, that was only then that we realized, oh,
that wasn't it so well, gosh, we're going to get
another trip to California figured out and That was pretty
much what made me realize, you know, there's got to
(20:13):
be a better way. There's got to be a better way.
There needs to be pictures out there, there needs to
be coordinates, there needs to be a much more detailed
directions to get there. So, yes, our bigfoot investigations have
taken us as far away as California, but I know
a lot of research here in Kentucky as well, because,
like you said, Kentucky has in Ohio. Both Kentucky and
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West Virginia are historic and yes, yes, historic hotspots for
the bigfoot phenomena. And I always tell people at our
museum because the Nightmare Gallery is dedicated mostly to regional
regional phenomena, including regional bigfoot tales, and I always tell
my guests that some of the earliest documented bigfoot sidings
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actually took place here in the Kentucky Daniel Boone himself
claimed to have encountered famously claimed to have encountered a
big foot type creature as he was raising a trail
across the Cumberland Gap called Creature. At the time, a
Yahoo oh Travels was popular, and in that book, Gulliver
(21:19):
ran into a race of ape like creatures called Yahoo's
and so Boone's favorite book, and so he didn't know
any better. He went around telling everybody I ran into
one of those Yahoos cent a place to the modern
day mc County, Kentucky, Whitney City, Kentucky. And still to
this day, the local Boom allegedly ran into that Yahoo.
(21:42):
It still goes by the name of Yahoo. It's called
Yahoo Falls. It's a popularity nick area, hundreds of people
a day going there in the summer months, mostly probably
unaware of the Bigfoot history of the side. But if
you ask the Kentucky State Park Service, why do you
call this Yahoo Fall, they'll tell you, well, that's because
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that's where Daniel Boom killed the claimed to shot and
killed this creature on side. Yeah, back in seventeen eighty six.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
I know.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
That's as part of the folklore that we try to
preserve at the museum all the anytime we think about
the regional legends like this, we try to create displays,
exhibits for them, and I don't know, all try to capture imaginations.
A lot of people who live in the area aren't
even familiar with you know, they're not really familiar with
the local folklore, which is a shame because and I
always tell guests to the gallery this. You know, there's
(22:37):
an old saying about legends that they only live as
long as the last person who remembers them. So we
don't strive to keep our local folklore, you know, our
local legends alive, and sooner or later these tales might
disdisappear or they might die completely, and to us be
a real shame.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yep, oh, I completely agree speaking of keeping like local
legends alive. The things in your museum, are they mostly
items that you acquire on your trips or do you
also take donations from people.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
We have a mixture of both. As I said, we're
always trying to base our trips around weird things that
whether museums or you know, local legends elsewhere in the world,
and so we're always trying to bring back bits and
pieces of other souvenirs, you know, different things. But we
also accept donations at the museum. I actually have a
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I got an email this is probably forty hours ago
of a lady here in Kentucky who she said she
has an object in her house that she doesn't really
want to have in our house anymore. Actually, it's the objects.
She thinks they might be haunted, and she's wanting to
get rid of them. And so I told her that
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I'm trying and swing by her home, which is a
little ways from my house. I have to make a
little bit of a drive. But she acts like she's
living in fear of these particular objects. And so I've
been trying swing by this weekend and pick these things
up and give them a place to to stay at
the at the Nightmare, Gally, You'll be surprised how many
people are reaching out to us from sometimes hundreds of
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miles away, sometimes thousands.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Of miles away, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Wanting to get rid of things that have been in trouble.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
A lot of haunted objects.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yes, yes, yeah, you christ. How many people reach out
to us, which a lot of Oftentimes it's untenable for
us to try to make it to these locations, and
people maybe don't have the means to try and travel
themselves to get to our location, so a lot of
them unfortunately go unanswered. Yeah, some of these any time
or something close to our area. And so yeah, a
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lot of a lot of the really interesting tales and things,
the items in a museum where things that were donated
to us by people all over this area.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Yeah, you can probably see in my background, I have
a collection of dolls that are mostly haunted dolls that
people were like, I need this out of my house,
and so my house has also become a small museum
of haunted objects that people did.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Not want in their homes anymore. And I went, yeah,
I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Do you ever have any usual activity? I wonder out
of the adults.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I don't. And that's sort of the amazing thing.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
I've had people who will like, sort of let me
borrow these objects, and when I give them back to them,
they're like, they don't seem to be haunted anymore. And
I'm like, I didn't really do anything. So I'm not
sure why. Maybe it's because I want to see it
too bad. I don't really know, but.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I feel the same way a lot of our guests
at the museum. You know, they'll come in with stories
about how they've experienced this and that, and they'll ask
me all the time, what have you experienced at the
museum and with different other haunted objects. And I'm not
as sensitive. I don't think that this sort of thing,
perhaps as other people are. Yeah. Fortunately, a lot of
a lot of the items that we have in our collection,
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I haven't personally witnessed any any paranormal actsivity out of them. However,
I have had guests to the museum shout and scream.
I'll have my back to a glass case speaking about
something that's in it, and a sudden, the people's faces,
you know, people staring at me with the case behind me,
their faces will just twist and terror and they'll scream
and shout that we four or five people who suddenly
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all had the same experience. They saw a movement of
some sort. We have a set of dolls, a pair
of dolls, a boy to girl doll, very old antique
that they have a whole incredible story really behind them.
But we've had more than four hundred guests to the
Nightmare Gallery in the past three years who have seen
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movement from these dolls, whether that be their eyes, move
their heads, their shoulders, elbows, hands, fingers, all sorts of things.
But most recent siding of dolls dolls moving was yesterday.
Got a lot of consistent activity out of some of
the so called haunted objects at our museum.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, wow, that's great. Well, hopefully, hopefully we'll get to
see some something move too.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Yes, yeah, I absolutely, But we're not just dedicated. We're
not just dedicated to U ghosts and Bigfoot and monsters
and UFOs. We're also a big horror movie fans. In
the Nightmare Gallery, we have all sorts of kind of
exhibits dedicated to horror movie history, a lot of masked
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characters that you will see when you come through the door,
and from famous horror movies, and and really Kentucky has
a lot of connections to horror films as well that
we try to celebrate, including the Somerset area where a
museum is located. Believe it or not, the man who
was responsible for coming up with the look of Michael
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Myers from the Halloween series, the guy who realized that
you take a Captain Kirk mask and wide. Yeah, his
name was Tommy Lee Wallace and he was and raised
in Summerset, So we have quite a quite a shrine
you might say, built for for for him. And he
was also the writer, screenwriter and director of It the
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originally from the series. But that's just one of Kentucky's
mini connections to the horror movies. So we like, we
like that as well. So when I say all things
that go bump in the night, it's what we're dedicated to.
We're also we're also dedicated to horror movies and anything spooky,
anything kind.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Of creepy, strange, unusual, weird, paranormal.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
You also have a number of screen used horror movie
props and costume pieces and uh all sorts of different
items that have appeared actually on screen in a number
of horror movies. We have props from the Friday to
Thirteen series, the Child's Play series, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre series,
as well as the screen series, a lot of the
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big ones, and then some lesser known but some of
our very favorite films that even some very instead we
have some props. So I don't know, We're always adding things.
So even if you've been to the Nightmare Gallery before,
I guarantee if you wait a year and come back,
it's completely different. We move things around, added things. It's
it's a work in progress and we're hoping that it'll keep,
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you know, going for for indefinitely, I guess, for for
years and years to go.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah. Well, I mean you've got people people spreading the
word about the museum at Scarefest. So that's that's a
great sun too, that it's on the up and up.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
For sure, for sure.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
Yes, And I think it is great too. Like you said,
I feel like your museum has a little bit of everything.
So no matter what your thing is, whatever makes you jump,
or those whole things that you enjoy that go bump
the night, you'll have it there, you know.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
I think that's awesome.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
And I'll tell you some of our favorite guests are
the people who come in completely skeptical about.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Health.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
The skepticism is important thing, for sure, for sure. Sometimes
families will come in and the daughter, the son or
someone will have an interest in this kind of stuff,
and and mom and dad or grandma and grandpa or whoever,
they don't, you know, they're not interested in And they'll
tell you right up front. I don't. I don't really
get into horror movies, and I don't believe in any
of these, you know, ghosts, gobblins and things. But by
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the end of the tour, you know, it's always and
I guide all the tours myself. They take about half
an hour to sort of walk around and talk about
the displays we have. By the end of the tour.
I always try to ask them at the end, you know,
maybe I don't know, hearing all these tales and hearing
people's accounts and seeing the newspapers and some of the other,
you know, things that we have at the museum related
to these tales, is there any party that kind of
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wants to believe? I tell you what the gross interesting
thing of all is. It's oftentimes the biggest steptics, the
people who come in and say, I don't believe in ghosts,
I don't believe in Bigfoot. That when they get you
a loan, you know, the rest of the family goes
into the other room, you know, leaning real close, and
they'll say, all right, now that nobody else is listening,
I'm gonna tell you about what happened to me. Yes, yes,
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their tales, what's happened to them is more were outlandish
and more hiding and more like ground shaking than anything
else than anyone ever will tell you otherwise. It's it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Really, they're skeptics because they don't want to believe. They
don't want what happened to them to have happened to them.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
I'm sure there is like a part of like the
human brain. That's like, well, that could not have been real,
because if it is real, then what else is possibly
you know, out there that you just can't fathom or
even like try to fully understand in a way.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
So, no, that is amazing. That's so much fun.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Has anyone come to the museum that maybe not necessarily
a skeptic, but maybe had heard family tales and we're like, oh,
my gosh, I do think that this is potentially like
I had a family member that has like had an experience,
but they just didn't know at the time how to
explain it, you know, in that sense.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we get a lot of a lot
of guests like that, always learning about People will come
from a town three or four counties over or the
next state over, and they'll say, have you ever heard this?
I'll be the first, Oh, no, you know, I haven't
heard of this tale, and they'll fill me in on
or pull them in with they're the legend of their
local ghost story and things. And I always tell people,
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now you need to come back, because I'm going to
try to incorporate that into the into the gallery. I
didn't realize until I started the Nightmare Gallery. Charles Manson
from the famous you know Manson murders in the nineteen sixties.
He had a lot of Kentucky and Ohio and Western juniors,
grew up in a number of towns and spent time
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with family members in a lot of the communities. There's
a house here in Kentucky that he spent a lot
of his youth then. And I had no idea. I
had no idea until I opened the gallery and you
start hearing these tales from people and their experiences, and oh,
I've been in there. I spent the night in there,
in these things, and so it's fascinating. I learned as
much as anybody.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Else at the time.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Charles Manson did spend a lot of time in Cincinnati,
and because I from there originally, I was at a
bar and grill there one time and the owner actually
came out and we were sitting on the back deck
and he said, actually that Charles Manson had fallen off
that deck once and if he had been about a
couple inches back, he would have hit his head on
a stump and been dead. But he happened to just
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miss this tree stump and so survived the fall off.
This very tall deck. Cincinnati's all hills, and I was like,
that is amazing. I've never been able to find anything to,
you know, prove that that's true. But I mean, he
the way he said it was with such conviction that
I was like, I'd like to believe that.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah, that's cool. That is cool. A lot of connections
like that, that's yeah. I mean, the Cincinnati area's got
a lot of oh yeah history and right across the river.
I'd heard in the Bobby Nacky's music. Yes, I yes,
I guess raised to the ground.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
But yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Hated to hear that. But I never had a chance, unfortunately,
to visit that. Okay, did you all ever get a
chance to visit Bobby Mackie's.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
I have been there, but I never got to go
down to the basement where the activity was supposed to happen.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
My experience was the same as Alex's. However, my sister
did do a ghost hunting there and she did get
to go into the basement, and she did say that
there was some experiences that she had had there. She
also goes into a little bit of a skeptic, but
she's like, I was the only one down there and
being Cincinnati, there's she knows German to an extent, so
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we have a very large German you know, heritage here,
and she goes, there's a woman down there speaking German.
She was like, there is no one down here with me,
and even if they were, why would they be speaking German?
Like this does not make any sense. And so yeah,
she was. She was a little heartbroken to hear that
it ended up being you know, taken down.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
But yeah, she did have an experience there.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
She said.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
It was one of the few places that she was like, no,
there is definitely something going on there. Y, yeah, for sure,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
That doesn't crack me up.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Sometimes these ghost hunting shows where they will go to
you know, say Paris, and they're ghosts hunting and they're
talking to these ghosts and getting responses in English, and
I'm like, shouldn't you be getting responses in French? If
there are French ghosts there? Maybe you're happening to get
bilingual ghosts.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Amazing, amazing how ghosts from like the seventeen hundred somehow
knew how to speak American English. Yes, in France, in France, yes,
for sure.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think I mean everywhere has their own legends, Like
everywhere has got something spooky, but I think.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Appalachas specifically just has so much.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
There's so much rich history and legends through here, and
a lot of that goes into Europe because that was
one long mountain range before Pangaeas split apart. And it
just makes me wonder, like, what's what is in these
hills that makes it so spooky?
Speaker 3 (36:03):
Well, I tell you I call I call this region
the Bluegrass Triangle region, very paranormally active, and I often
cite the Civil War history, a lot of major battles,
one of the Bloodies or the Battle of Perryville, the
Union's first victory. I site, of course, the Native American
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history in this area by the name of Dragon Canoe,
if famously referred to Kentucky as the dark and Bloody ground,
tried to warrant settlers not to stop, not to settle here.
Of course that didn't stop them.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
For.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I mean, there's a lot of different reasons. The Bluegrass
Army Depot in Richmond. You all are familiar, you said earlier,
with the Mothman legend, and the t are of course
North Virginia with the Igloos, where a story that you
know that that's considered to be a sort of a
nexus paranormal activity, perhaps because of the existence of the
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of the T and T that seet down in the
earth in these things. Well, the Bluegrass Army Depot is
basically the same thing, but much much larger. We're talking
hundreds and hundreds of of these these igloos that are
And actually it was the chemical weapons, the chemical weapons
which were outlawed after the World Wars, and they sat
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here and would would, according to the local reports, would
seep down into the into the soil and get in
the water away all these things. I think they've since
gotten rid. They've slowly disposed won by one of the nuclears,
not the nuclear but the chemical stockpile. It was at
the Bluegrass Army Depot. But yeah, not is it possible
that the same sort of thing that was going on
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up in the poor Pleasant with the contaminants and whatnot,
or it happened in this area as well. I certainly
think it's a it's a possibility, and there's a lot
of reasons, and I talk about all these reasons at
the gallery, but I call it the blue Grass Triangle
kind of triangle. Yeah, because of all the people have
experienced all across the region.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Yeah, that is a fantastic name for it.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
And that's really funny you bring up the TNT area too,
because the first time that we ever.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Went out there, it wasn't on like your traditional maps.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Back then. We found a little hand drawn map on
someone's blog that was drawn on a napkin on how
to get to the TNT area.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
And I still have that saved in my phone.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
That's still how I find it every time, even though
it is now on actual maps and they will just
like bust you back there. But yeah, you used to
have to find a specific forum or somebody's blog post
to find like this hand drawn map that maybe isn't
very good to try to figure out how to get
to these places, and you may or may not be right.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
We got lost several times, yes, several times.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
The words.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Big Foot maps. I wrote a book about UFOs and
one of them off Man, and I was determined to
pinpoint the exact locations where many of the original Mothman
sidings took place. Yes, and here were those were actually
out in the area at homes, because back in the
nineteen sixties there were there were homes in the area,
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right near by to these igloos homes aren't there anymore.
But several of the famous famous sightings that took era
were very difficult to find, and I had to collaborate
with several of the locals. We had to get her
hiking boots on and way out.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Into the.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Try to find these things down, but we got them
down to an exact coordinates within just a few yards,
perhaps before famous incidences took place. Marcella Bennett famously she
she had was so shocked by the appearance of the
mothman at a home in the t t area that
she had actually she was holding her baby Tina at
the time she dropped the child, so shocked by the
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appearance of this creature that she dropped the child and
was frozen in fear for s minutes or several seconds before.
I think it was a relative sort of grabd and
baby as well. Maybe it's fine, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, yeah, Tina's fine.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Tina, Tina was okay.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Raised them both into the into the house that was there,
But the house is no longer there, and to my knowledge,
that location had been fully lost to the history for decades,
for five six decades before before me and a handful
of other locals. We we went out there with the
idea that we're going to put this in my book
Atlas of the Way moth Man, until we were able
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to find the exact location where this took place.
Speaker 5 (40:35):
Yeah, yeah, that's I think that's great that the locals
are now also kind of embracing that, because, like we said,
this Mothman festsmen going on for quite a few years,
and I know, you know, for the few times we've
gone there, does sometimes seem to be quite a few
locals that are like, this is silly. They don't want
to talk about it. They'd rather just not have anything
to do with it. And it does seem like recently
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when we go out there, people are more willing to
talk about it a little more, even if it is
kind of candid. I think we were out there, like
a couple of years ago, we were getting dinner. Waitress
comes up to us and says, hey, were you guys
in town for the festival?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
We said yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
She kind of told us my mom had a friend
that hadn't experience with the Mothman. Yeah, and sort of
told us that tale. And I don't know if that
would have happened, you know. Oh, no, fifteen twenty years ago,
there have been no way. She was like her friend
was never the same again, and it was just, yeah,
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it's interesting and the people are bracing.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
The original Mothman witnesses Roger Scarberry.
Speaker 4 (41:37):
Yeah, are that night during yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Famous chase the Highway in nineteen sixty six. He just
recently came out of the woodwork for the first time.
And yes, basically I guess faced a lot of ridicule
when he had come forward with y yeah, right and
escape the town. Wanted to escape the legend. And a
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pretty significant distance from point Pleasant. It's not too far,
I guess, kind of between us Cincinnati and in Somerset,
and just recently came out of the woodwork to finally
tell his story for the first time. So many so, yeah,
that was kind of a big moment when he finally
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came forward. We have kind of a misconception, I always
tell people before before right across West Virginia, Yeah, Pleasant,
I think, is you know, considered to be the nexus
of the Mothman. Yes, it had the most sidings, and
they had obviously the the bridge collapsed, the many black sidings,
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all these other things that really made the story stand out.
But yeah, there were other towns across across And I
tell you what at the Mothman Festival this year, and
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
To hide the good go to your fine, go for it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
There is a guy came over to her table and
he was wearing a T shirt that said said Clinton
in West Virginia. The side of the original Mothman siding.
Original was under underline and underneath it said Koot Cemetery.
Now I didn't have hard to tell him, but this
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is a big issue. This is something that I ran
into when I was writing this book. Kot Cemetery is
not where the Mothman was originally seen in the town
of Clinton. It was Ramer Hill Cemetery. There is a
man the graveyard. The guys who were digging the grave
in the cemetery that night, we're digging away for a
man named Homer Smith. Well, this will happened. There were
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two Homer Smith's in clintonnon who died in a couple
of art and Kont Cemetery. There is a grave that
says Homer Smith's Grave and the State of West Virginia
recognized that cemetery. One of their Historic Societies recognized that
cemetery as the one where the Mothman had flown over
the graveyard. And if you actually look into the history
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that Homers Smith he died a couple of years before
before the Mockman was ever seen, and the actual cemetery
is Rehear cemetery, and so there's an auto misinformation out there. Yeah,
and that's why I'm determined to uh, to keep documenting
these things and writing about these tales and talking the
exact locations, because in my estimation, if we don't do
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these things, and sooner or later, everybody will be wearing
a t shirts say the Koot Cemetery was the cemetery
where you know, went back to ten miles away was
with the actual siding took place.
Speaker 2 (44:35):
We're gonna up with.
Speaker 3 (44:37):
Two grades to Homer Smith's grace and in the town
and clin the odds are that part? Yeah, I mean Smith.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Is a common last name, but right, it's true. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:50):
Wait, we've definitely had the similar problems in Loveland because
most of the people who saw the frog originally are
not alive or also most of the people most the
first sightings were police who were then ridiculed and then
they later retracted. Oh no, we didn't see a frog,
we saw a talis iguana because they were getting made
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fun of and so they kind of recounted their tail.
But the problem with that is I think that's part
of why people don't really talk about there is just
like there's not really anybody to tell their stories anymore.
Up until the sighting when people were playing Pokemon Go
and there was finally a recent sighting of the Love
and Frog that kind of revived a lot of that
as well.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I think that's fun.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, it's tricky trying to get that history like right
when it happens, to make sure it doesn't get lost.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
For sure. That's amazing.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
Mentioning the Blue Gas Triangle. Have you ever been to
the Bermuda Triangle or is that somewhere on your list
to go to.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
I've never been down that way. I'd love to. I'd
love to make it.
Speaker 5 (45:55):
So, yeah, that might have to be the final final place.
Speaker 4 (46:01):
If you think about it, though, that might just have
to be like the end.
Speaker 3 (46:06):
You never know, I don't think yeah, they never come back.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
Right, right, That's what I mean. Like that that might
just have to be it.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, when you're when you're ready to retire, you can
pull a Bilbo Baggins and go to the Bermuda Triangle
and just kind of disappear on people and become your
own legend.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
What a way to go? What a way to go?
Speaker 4 (46:29):
That's really good.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Yeah, you mentioned you have another book right now, your
your passport book.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
So I want to make sure we talk.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
It's something. Oh absolutely, It's something I've been putting together
for a couple of years now. It's actually hot off
the press. I got my first copies of this this
passport just a week ago. I was hoping to have
them before before Halloween because this passport is more geared
towards spooky stuff and then people being more interested in
it now. But I'll have it for Christmas. I'm calling
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it the Paranormal Passport of South Central Kentucky. Years ago,
they had a Bourbon Trail passport here in Kentucky.
Speaker 2 (47:10):
Oh yeah, yes.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
He went into all the different distilleries and you got
the stamps at each distillery, went to all however many
there were at the time, and you sent the passport.
It got all the stamps, and then you sent the
passport in. They would send you a T shirt or
a prize of some sort. I believe it was a
T shirt. I think I have one myself. But long
story short, I was determined to create a passport related
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to this area of Kentucky where a museum is in.
So I selected twelve of sort of the strange places
around here, not just ghost stories, but also some of
the cryptid sidings that have been here around here, even
some of the true crime sidings. One of the country's
most notorious serial killers actually spent a lot of time
in south central Kentucky, the Angel of Death, Donald Harvey.
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Actually you know, murderers and dirty work in this area.
But I found those as well as other a UFO.
There was a famous UFO pbduction case from this area
as well, and well, not long story short, I took
twelve of these unusual sites and I created a passport
for them. And then I reached out to a lot
of local businesses and even the state park in this area,
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and a couple of state parks in this area, the
National Monument in this area as well, and they've all
agreed to be the passport sticker pickup points. And so
people who get to the passport, they come to the gallery,
they buy the passport. Here I'm selling for twelve dollars
and that actually just helps me recoup the price of
the passport. And then I've actually put stickers all around
south central Kentucky. So if you go to each of
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these locations, there's a customized sticker and you put each
one in your passport, and then you come back and
if you get them all, I'll give you a prize
as well. So we're we've got it also set up
and ready to go. I think our plan is to
kickstart this thing at the beginning of December. So if
you're looking for an unusual Christmas gift or something I haven't,
come down to the gallery and get a paranormal passport.
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I guarantee it'll take them on quite an invent to
a lot of interesting locations. They'll be able to ask
these local businesses you know, what do you know about this?
And we've contacted some businesses and business owners who have
experienced things themselves and are eager to talk about their
their role in the definitely something we're just trying to
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get people interested in before we want people too.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:28):
Again, we're trying to keep these legends. That's that's our
main goal with the Nightmare Gallery, and that's my main
goal with writing my books is I just want to
keep these legends alive. I think that's our responsibility.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I did something similar. I got married.
Oh my gosh, Slo's been two years, so my first
year winning Verstors earlier this year. My husband had never
been to Point Pleasant, so I made for one year
anniversary a Point Pleasant passport and we did polaroids far
so I was like, this was him with the with
(49:59):
the statue, and then we went to the T and
T area got totally lost and we're like, I think
we're here. So I love stuff like that and that
is so much fun to do and see. And yeah,
the locals got really into it. A lot of people
didn't realize polaroids were still a thing mm, so that
threw them off. They were expecting a digital camera, but
we got there. So No, that's amazing. And I know
(50:21):
you said that you're planning on this being ready right
around December. I think you also mentioned you're getting ready
to do a crampus of it as well for the
for the gallery.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yes, every December, we have two saturdays in a row
where we have an I'll break the character in an
actor come in and it's not the real Crampus, I guess,
but you know it. Don't tell everybody that I don't know.
If that right, I yuess may be convinced that it
is the real Carampus, but comes in spends a couple
of hours in the afternoon. We set up sort of
(50:52):
a throne room of sale of sorts for Grampus and
allow people to get their photos with him. He'll tell
you if you've been naughty or nice for the year,
may give you a sign and ahold thanks for an
interesting and interesting Christmas theme photo that may be a
little different perhaps than the traditional Santa Claus photo. But
this is our fourth year doing this kind of event.
We always try to add different twists on it each
(51:14):
year and add things to the experience. So yeah, if
you like us on Facebook, Facebook, dot com slash Paranormal
road Trippers Nightmare Gallery, we're always posting about our upcoming
events and any sort of guest speaking engagements. I do
a lot of guest speaking and book releases and anything
else we've got going on at the gallery. In the summers,
(51:35):
we have a lot of regional experts on paranormal phenomena
come down and we always have a free outdoor movie screenings,
which are preceded by a free outdoor presentation by a
paraoral kirt. We've had people come from all over really
the region, all over the country, authors and investigators, and
they give these presentations and afterwards we show horror movies.
(51:58):
As a school teacher, I'm always here in students say
you know, there's just nothing to do around here. This
is what they say, there's nothing to do with it. Yeah,
now that's not true, because my dolly, I know, once
a month on a Saturday night there's a weird presentation
going on in a horror. Horror movies are all PG thirteen,
So the kids idea younger people can come see these things.
(52:20):
And there's crampus coming around Christmas, and there's a passport
and you can go and go to these haunted locations.
So there's always something to do. So I always show
that in the students when they tell me this, I
always like to throw that in their face and say, no, no, no,
I know.
Speaker 4 (52:32):
That's not true. You're not looking at the right places
right right.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
That's awesome. No, and you're so true.
Speaker 5 (52:41):
That's the number one thing you hear, toy like, I
don't have anything to do anymore, Like, well, at least
one thing for you, maybe too, So you out there
and have some fun.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Oh that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
I feel like any kid if left flown long enough,
eventually will we'll start getting into like ghost hunting or
some kind of folklore if you give them enough time.
At least that's what happened to me. Well, we're at
the top of the hour here. Thank you so much
for coming on, and we can't wait to check out
the museum. Is there anything else you want to make
(53:14):
sure we talked about before we sign off for the night.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
No, not really, I just tours are free of the
Nightmare Gallery. All you got to do is go to
Nightmare Gallery dot net. Somerset's located not far from my
seventy five, just south about now hour's drive south of Lexington.
So now come see this book a tour. I guide
all the tours myself. It's very easy to book a
tour if you go to night Gallar dot net. You
select the time you'd like to come and and I'm
(53:40):
usually there with smiling face. If I'm not there, it's
probably my dad. It's a home owned business.
Speaker 4 (53:45):
Oh my gosh, what fun.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Wasn't always interesting stuff. He's listened to me give enough
tours that he he doesn't probably for his score at
this point, so that, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (53:58):
Well that's been awesome. It's been right having you on here, Zack.
Speaker 5 (54:01):
I think you know, we're definitely gonna be checking you
out soon and hopefully some of our listeners head on
down do a passport, you know, maybe get.
Speaker 2 (54:09):
A picture of Crampish and see what's going on.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, it's been a pleasure speaking with you all tonight.
Interested in catching back up, I'd be happy to do it.
Speaker 2 (54:19):
Oh, absolutely, And you're you're not that far so.
Speaker 4 (54:24):
That's true. Awesome.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Well, we'll go ahead and sign off for the night.
Speaker 6 (54:27):
Good night, and good luck again.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
You are listening to Radio Art Effect on sixteen sixty MAN.
Speaker 3 (59:53):
In north Side and ninety one point seven s MHD
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