May 26, 2023 • 62 mins
When one person sees a UFO, it could be explained as an overactive imagination. When a group of people see a UFO, what can possibly be the answer, other than, we are not alone. Here are a few mass sightings that should convince anyone there is something in our skies not of this Earth.
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Welcome to the show. I'm yourhost, Chris James. Tonight's show is
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you can enjoy life more. Sunday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty three,
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I will be speaking at the McAllenPublic Library four zero zero one North twenty
third Street. I'll be talking aboutthe flying disc that crashed in Mexico nineteen
forty eight, one year after Roswell. Come on by and learn something that
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those people don't want you to knowabout. If you want to be there
at the library, they're asking youto kind of reserve a seat. It's
not that they're expecting thousands of peopleto show up. It's just kind of
a small room. So if you'dlike to come by and actually see me
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alive and in person talking, youcan call the library A nine five six
six eight one three zero zero zero, or you can contact them by email
at McAllen library a dot leibnet that'slib in et, a dot info backslash
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event. Like I said, it'snot that they're expecting thousands of people.
It's not that big of a room. They don't want you having to stand
out in the hallway. When oneperson sees a UFO and talks about it,
the naysayers can rush out and saythings like the witness drank too much,
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or he was on drugs, orhe was crazy or confused, he
didn't know what he was seeing,or he was simply making the whole thing
up. You hear this all thetime. Those people aren't trying to convince
you or me that there's nothing tosee here. The focus is the general
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public, the folks that want tobelieve that there's nothing out there because it
would make their lives uncomfortable if theythought that there was anything going on that
the government couldn't playing away. Sothey come up with these outlandish explanations,
some of which will make your headspin, and people believe it. Oh,
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that wasn't a ghost you saw.It was just your imagination, or
it was something you were seeing areflection, or something you didn't actually see
Bigfoot out in the woods. Itwas a bear walking through the woods on
his way to the post office.Things like that. It was a weather
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balloon. That's my all time favorite. Farmington, New Mexico, March nineteen
fifty there was a mass sighting involvinghundreds of witnesses. Some witnesses said there
were a hundreds of UFOs seen inthe skies. To add to the story.
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This took place during daylight hour.It wasn't at night. It was
a spanned three days. Farmington isabout fifty miles east of the four Corners
area where New Mexico, Arizona,Utah in Colorado meet. Newspapers all over
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New Mexico ran front page stories abouthow this town was being invaded by aliens
from outer space. The sightings andarticles were almost three years before the CIA
put together the Robertson's Panel. InJanuary eighteen fifty three, the Central Intelligence
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Agency convened a group of scientists toinvestigate whether these unknown phenomena in the sky
represented a national security threat. Thepanel had been told ahead of time their
investigation was going to find They werealso told how they should make fun of
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anybody that reports seeing a UFO andjust heap derision on them make them look
like a total fool. The panelwas so successful that even today many people
will still look at any UFO reportas if it was being made by crazy
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people. You watched the evening news, and the news people the talking heads,
they'll say, oh, yes,somebody saw a UFO and then they'll
kind of chuckle at the camera like, ha ha, I don't believe that,
and you shouldn't either. Even afterthe Pentagon came out and said those
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things aren't ours, and they're notthe Russians, and they're not the Chinese,
but whose are they? Then someususuf own investigators say the Farmington flap
is one of the biggest stories inhistory, yet few people have even heard
of it. The folks running theDepartment of Truth have done an excellent job
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in making this incident vanish like alot of others. David Marler as a
UFO researcher and author who also worksin the healthcare field. David received his
Bachelor of Science degree in psychology fromSouthern Illinois University in Edwardsville. He's not
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some guy living in his parents' basementwho's trying to make a name for himself.
The guy already has a career.He doesn't need the attention. As
a UFO investigator, he finds itfascinating. He has one of the largest
historical UFO archives of books, journals, magazines, news papers, microfilm,
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audio recordings, and case files fromaround the world that spans the last seventy
five years. If you want tocheck him out, go to DAVIDMARLERUFO dot
com. Marler isn't alone and beingcompelled to look into the nineteen fifty flat.
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A lot of people living in SanJuan County, where Farmington is located,
have direct ties to the mass sightingthat has become a part of their
family history. Patty Tharpe of SanJuan County Historical Society is the niece of
one of the witnesses, Clayton Body, who was the business manager of the
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Daily Times in the nineteen fifties.She recalls her late uncle regularly talking about
the sightings where she was growing up, and said that the tales of the
Ufo are Mata is well known amongthe county's older residents. She remembers her
uncle as a man not given toexaggeration and said he wasn't the kind to
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call attention to himself by manufacturing outlandishstories. He believed he witnessed something out
of the ordinary that day over thethree days, at around nine nine,
over a three day period, atabout eleven am until noon, people were
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seeing UFOs. Farmington had a populationof around four or five thousand residents at
the time. Many of them sawthe UFOs and they filed reports both with
the local authorities and people coming fromout of town as well as the military.
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People said they were seeing saucer shapedobjects at around fifteen thousand feet moving
in ways that no aircraft and nobirds would move. They would shoot back
and forth across the sky, narrowlymissing each other. Some folks spotted a
red UFO that looked like it waskind of in charge. The others were
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white or a kind of a yellowishcolor. As one person would spot the
UFOs in the sky, they wouldpoint them out to others, eventually involving
the entire downtown area. For anhour, the craft would fly around in
the sky, and then they wouldall vanish at once. Marler said there
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are several elements that separate the FarmingtonUFO incident from so many others, mostly
the fact that so many people saidthey had witnessed it. The sightings took
place at eleven am to noon eachday in the skies over San Juan County,
not at night, but in thedaytime when you could easily see.
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Handfuls of people would look up andwatch these craft flying around. The Daily
Times a chronicled how pedestrians along MainStreet could be seen looking skyward and pointing.
The paper was deluged with calls fromreaders reporting the objects. Although the
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story explains that high winds and adust storm prevented a very clear vision,
the account explains how the objects appearto play tag, traveling at almost unbelievable
speeds. The paper quoted Body,a former army captain, who said he
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was on Broadway Avenue when he becameaware of the phenomenon. He said,
all of a sudden, I noticeda few moving objects high in the sky.
Moments later there appeared to be hundredsof them, A Bodie declined.
Bodie declined to estimate the size ofthe speed of the objects, but he
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said they appeared to fly at analtitude of approximately fifteen thousand feet. Several
witnesses were quoted in the stories aswell, including merchants, housewives, mechanics,
insurance agents, and the head ofthe Farmington unit of the Soil Conservation
Service, A man named Harold Thatcherwas quoted as emphatically denying a theory that
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the objects people were seeing were bitsof hotton floating in the sky. And
now, I've never seen saucer shapedcotton, but that's what they tried to
explain it away, as many ofthese witnesses reported seeing a single red object
that appeared to be leading all ofthe others. Marlow Webb was a twenty
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six year old manager in the partsdepartment at a garage on Main Street in
downtown Farmington. Webb told the paperhe estimated the objects were small, about
the size of a dinner plate,and noted the objects moved in an unusual
way. They would go sideways,on edge and at every conceivable angle.
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He said, this is what madeit easy to determine that they were saucer
shaped. Webb said he was workingat his stepfather's Chevy dealership across the street
from the Tatl Theater on March seventeenth, nineteen fifty, when somebody told him
they had seen saucer shaped objects inthe sky, Webb went out to have
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a look. He said he couldmake out twelve to twenty objects. He
also said they were loosely arranged,not in any kind of a formation that
he could figure out, but theywere moving in an east to west direction.
They were darting around, almost likeleaves in the sky being blown around,
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he said. Webb watched the objectsfor approximately ten to fifteen minutes,
and then he went back inside towork. He had a job to do
and his stepfather probably didn't want theparts counter being unattended for too long of
a time. He said he recalledseeing people on Main Street looking into the
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sky for a long time after hewas back in. Many of those witnesses
were a lot more taken by theevent than he was. They were known
to talk about what they'd seen foryears after the event. Webb said he
spoke to a military investigator after theincident and told him the same story.
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He understands that some people wanted todraw other conclusions from what they had heard
about the event, but he saidhe never felt the urge to do that.
Another well known authority on local history, marylou Wayburn, author of Homestead
to Boomtown, a pictorial history ofFarmington, New Mexico. Said she was
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in college in Missouri in the springof nineteen fifty when the incident took place.
She got an earful about it fromher friends when she returned to Farmington
at the end of this semester.Wayburn wound up writing about the mass sighting
on its fortieth anniversary in March nineteenninety edition of Cross Currents, an independent
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publication that describes itself as a journalof life in the Four Corners. In
her story, Wayburn recounts that sheheard the story dozens of times after she
returned from college, and a groupof her friends took her to a location
that was supposed to be where alanding took place. She described it as
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a large circle about sixty feet indiameter, where the sagebrush had been flattened
out and singed. Weeds were allaround the edges. So you get this
giant circle sixty feet across and it'sburned all around the edges at almost sounds
like what happened in Mexico nineteen fortyeight. Wayburn also quoted a Farmington resident
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named Pauline McCauley, who said shewas just a little girl. At the
time of the sighting, McAuley saidshe was herding sheep south of town that
day when she heard a sound aboveher. Looking up, she saw a
circular object that looked like an upsidedown bowl. McCauley told Wayburn the object
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had windows and she could see peopleinside, and they looked like they were
wearing caps and navy blue uniforms ofsome type. Wayburn heard various other stories
over the years, many of themfrom people who didn't want their names used
for fear of being ridiculed. Shesaid the incident sparked a great deal of
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curiosity at the time and remains atopic of discussion for the older folks.
They took it for what it was, She said that it was something they
wanted to know more about. RioRancho resident Ron Body, the son of
the witness, Clayton Body, saidhis father talked about the incident occasionally over
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the years, but he never madea big deal of it. Last time
I really talked to my dad aboutthat was probably forty years ago, he
said, adding that his father wasa veteran of World War Two and the
Korean War and he was not easilyimpressed. It was unusual to him,
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but not earth shattering or life changing. When you've been in war twice seeing
a UFO that wouldn't be a wholelot of excitement, not like getting shot
at a round. Body said hisfather was still a major in the Army
reserves at the time of the incident, and he recalls his father getting a
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phone call from a military official askinghim to refrain from doing any more interviews
on the subject. So even backthen, the military was trying to hush
things up. Tharpe Clayton, Bodi'sniece, also has taken a keen interest
in the event. She said thewire services picked up the story on the
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incident from New Mexico papers, andshe had collected clippings that mentioned her uncle
from newspapers all over the country.She agreed with her cousin Ronbody that her
uncle didn't consider the appearance of thestrange objects to be an alien invasion.
He seemed to think it was something. He seemed to not think it was
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something from another planet, that itwas some kind of a military experiment.
The quality and quantity of the informationsurrounding the Farmington UFO event has almost has
always impressed Marler. He said theaccounts and the witnesses who were quoted in
the Daily Times were remarkably consistent,and when those people talked about their memories
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of that day years later, theirstories hadn't changed. He said, I'm
really struck by the sincerity and thehonesty of the people I interviewed. They're
not saying they saw flying saucers,but they saw something that looked like a
saucer that was flying. That separatesthem from the principles and other UFO stories
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he has investigated, many of whomare not nearly as credible. He said,
it really smacks of reality, addingthat the witnesses he spoke to unfailingly
recalled their parents as grounded, levelheaded people who were not looking for attention.
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He also noted that an account ofa UFO sighting occurred that day in
Tucca Maccari, an event reported Marcheighteenth, nineteen fifty edition of the Tucca
Tucca Maccarie Daily must be an Indianword Tuka Kamari Daily News, and an
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Air Force captain and two technical sergeantsat Kurtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque reported
seeing three strange objects in the skythat afternoon. Marler also has collected newspaper
accounts of UFO sightings from that timeperiod, not just across New Mexico,
but all over Texas and into Mexico. His website explains that after an official
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investigation, a government official responded topublic curiosity over the event by claiming the
objects that people had seen were theremnants of a ruptured high altitude US Navy
skyhook balloon. Marler, who haspresented several lectures on his findings, flatly
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dismisses this theory, explaining that itmight have been plausible for one day of
the UFO sightings, but not forthree days. He also pointed to research
that showed there were no documented skyhookballoons launched at that time. Given the
technological limitations of the era, therewere no photos or film footage of the
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Farmington incident. Marler points out thatif such an event were to happen now,
they're likely would be an abundance ofsuch material, But he takes the
mass u of O sighting here muchmore seriously than he does many other events
he has investigated, and said he'snot sure why it hasn't gotten attention that
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he thinks it deserves. He said, the Farmington incident is well known in
UFO research stories, but he acknowledgesit is not nearly as well known as
Roswell incident or the crash of theUFO at Aztec nineteen forty seven, an
event commemorated through an annual mountain bikerace etched in local pop culture. The
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Aztec UFO incident involved the discovery ofa saucer shaped craft measuring approximately one hundred
feet in diameter atop a Mesa inNew Mexico, eight months and some three
hundred and seventy miles from the crashedsaucer at Roswell. Through his research,
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Marler said he has tried to eliminatevarious possible explanations for what happened in Farmington.
When you eliminate those prosaic explanations,it's like checking off a list.
What you're left with is an unknown, but unknown does not equal extraterrestrial.
The question of why the Farmington incidentnever captured the public's imagination the way Roswell
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did is a riddle to Marler andsome other UFO investigators. A Tharpe doesn't
see it as as unexplainable as towhy people don't remember the incident. She
says that she thinks that Roswell isjust as con get back to this,
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she thinks that the people in Roswellare no more conservative than the people living
in Farmington. There were so manypeople in nineteen fifty who lived in the
town who all said that they sawsomething flying over the city that they couldn't
explain. Farmington is described as aconservative place that likely would bristle at being
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associated with little Green men. Somefolks believe the folks there have just decided
to leave the incident behind. That'swhy you don't have any books out called
the crash at Farmington. As faras the UFO crash is not being talked
about, how about the Laredo incident. It was one year after Roswell and
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the craft crashed in Mexico. Ithad to be trucked out and sent to
write Patterson Air Base. I'll tellmore about the crash at McCallan Library if
you get a chance, and ifyou don't make it there, I'll also
be talking about it at the SanAntonio UFO Festival. In nineteen sixty nine,
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residents of Berkshire County in Massachusetts wentinto a panic after multiple people reported
seeing a UFO. The furor overthe sighting reached far beyond the area and
captivated people all over America. InRoswell, New Mexico, a replica of
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the vessel was displayed at the InternationalUFO Museum. On the evening of September
first nighteen sixty nine, strange lightssend it on the town of Sheffield,
located in the southern Berkshires. Manywho saw these lights said they were attached
to a UFO. The term Berkshiresis normally used by the locals in reference
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to a portion of the Vermont basedGreen Mountains that extend a south into western
Massachusetts and farther south into northwest Connecticut. The Berkshires are also made up of
many very small towns, not anybig cities. In twenty fifteen, a
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group of residents who witnessed the nineteensixty nine UFO raised funds and they built
a monument to it. According towitness accounts, the UFO in question was
a dark shaped craft that performed acrobaticmaneuvers in the sky over the Berkshires.
It's unclear exactly how long the phenomenonlasted. Many of the witnesses of the
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UFO described losing track of time.Now, they didn't say they lost time,
only that they lost track of howlong they were watching. It's not
like they woke up an hour afterthe incident. Sheffield, where many of
the witnesses resided, at a populationof a little over three thousand people,
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the brief UFO encounter was powerful enoughto leave a lingering sense of mass confusion
in its wake. School Children weredrawing UFOs in class, while adults called
in the local radio station to talkabout what they had seen. We had
listeners calling the radio station that evening, said David Issy, a general manager
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of the local radio station WSBS.At the time. They didn't know it
was a UFO. They just calledthe station to say there was something bizarre
happening. Many people who saw thestrangely lit vessel that night were left to
bewildered. Nobody seemed to know whatthey saw, but they knew that they
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saw something. The incident has sincebeen dubbed the nineteen sixty nine Berkshire UFO.
It was later estimated that about fortypeople reported seeing this craft. Some
of them wore children at the time, and they still live in the area
today. Children were coming into schooltalking about the event, said Robert Croll,
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the director of the Great Barrington HistoricalSociety. An older student of mine.
One is a local shop owner whosefather was the police chief in town.
These are reliable people. There isno self promotion going on. It's
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not like they were trying to attracttourists to their area. According to Thomas
Reid's account, he saw the UFOwhen he was nine years old. It
was September first, nineteen sixty nine, when he was in a car with
his mother, his grandmother, andhis brother. As Reid recalls, the
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family was heading home from the restaurantthey owned, called the Village on the
Green. Suddenly they noticed a massof glowing lights peeking out through the trees
ahead on the road. The strangelights continued to spill out from behind the
trees as the family crossed the coveredSheffield Bridge, but they didn't know what
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to make of it. We alllooked at it because it was kind of
self contained glow. Thomas Reid said, it rose up a little bit.
It looked like it was following thedirt road, which I'm sure it probably
wasn't. It appeared the way thatway because we could see it through the
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trees. The light started to bleedthrough. Once we broke into a little
bit of a clearing, we couldsee inside the car the light was flooding
the interior. After an amber glowemerged on both sides of the road.
Reid recalled being taken to a hangarlike area that was as big as a
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football field. We encountered something,Reid said, it was definitely not of
this world. We had a blackand white TV at the time, and
the imagery that we saw on thisthing was unbelievable. There were lights that
looked like fluorescent tubing inside this hangar. This hallway we had seen was circular
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with a wide configuration, almost tocontrol the flow of traffic. This one
room had a bo old in wallthat was rounded. It was not something
that you would have seen in nineteensixty nine. I have no idea where
I was, but I know thatwhat I saw was very different than anything
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I'd ever seen today in the lastfifty years. Glimpses of this strange place
muddied his brain until he realized thatthey were back inside the car. His
grandmother and mother had switched places,and everything got really calm. It was
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like being in the middle of ahurricane. There was a bur metric change
in pressure. It was just likea dead silence. Then there was an
eruption of crickets and frogs and itgot really loud, and well that was
it, Reid said, adding thatit was all quite confusing. Many occasions
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when people have been abducted and thencome to and diff location, like Travis
Walton when he woke up in HeberSometimes they have discovered that their shoes on
the wrong feet. Sometimes the buttonson their shirts don't line up correctly.
Just little things that perhaps the aliensdon't understand that need to be done correctly,
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or maybe they do it to messwith us. People wake up in
the morning and they're on the wrongside of the bed, they've switched places
with their spouse, just little weirdthings like that that nobody can explain.
Reid has been the most vocal witnessto the nineteen sixty nine Berkshire UFO.
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He helped convince other witnesses to pullmoney and erect a five thousand pound concrete
monument, which was built by thecovered Sheffield Bridge where he had seen the
UFO. Along with his family,they put in benching and lighting decorations so
that the place was a little moreattractive for people that wanted to visit it.
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Later, Reid formed the nonprofit UFOMonument Park Incorporated in order to maintain
the monument. Disagreements between those whobelieved the UFO marked a significant event in
the town's history and those who sawthe monument as an eyesore began to boil
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over. In twenty nineteen, fouryears after is erected, the town removed
the Berkshire UFO Monument the town's attorneyas assessment that the monument had been erected
on town property quickly paved the wayfor its removal. According to Read,
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there were no issues with the townofficials during the plans to build the UFO
monument. The plaque on the BerkshireUFO Monument described it as our nation's first
off world UFO incident. The naysayerswill go to extremes to do away with
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any kind of UFO recognition, evenif it's carved in stone. If not
for Stanton Friedman having interviewed Jesse Marcel, we might never have heard of Roswell.
There were lots of witnesses, butthey had all been talked to,
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and none of them wanted to windup dead out in the desert somewhere.
March eighth, nineteen ninety four,something unexplainable took place over Lake Michigan.
More than three hundred residents reported observingstrange lights in the sky. Some of
these lights traveled at unbelievable speeds.Some of them made incredible maneuvers. UFOs
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were spotted hovering over the water andthen disappearing into the sky. That night,
residents living along Lake Michigan Shores observedone of the world's largest UFO sightings.
Luminous orbs danced erratically in the nightsky over the water were seen as
far south as Indiana state line.Many callers reported the strange flying objects to
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the local police. Concerned citizens calleddispatch more than three hundred times. It
was later confirmed by the National WeatherService there were large objects in the sky
over the lake, objects that werenot airplanes. Using the radar system,
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NWS meteorologist Jack Bushong, in chargeof the office at the Muskegon County Airport,
recorded the objects in coorinated rapid speedand movement. Although the meteorologists accomplished
this feat while communicating with the localpolice, who verified the UFO's high speed
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and impossible maneuvers. He refused todiscuss the incident for professional reasons. Additionally,
the NWS asked him to not speakto the media about the matter for
fear of losing credibility and being ridiculedby his colleagues. Boushong admitted to seeing
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Lake Michigan UFOs in nineteen ninety four, after retiring from the NWUS. He
made this declaration in a TV showSomething in the Sky, an episode of
Unsolved Mysteries, which premiered on Octobertwenty twenty two. The objects appeared to
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be airplanes, but they didn't actas if there were any kind of a
man made flying craft. As aresult of the amount of energy returned by
the echoes, they appeared to besolid, smooth, and highly reflective objects.
A triangular formation was observed on radarreturns as the UFOs came and flew
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at an altitude of approximately six thousandand five hundred feet. One of the
objects, the northernmost light, soareda hundred thousand feet over the lake and
just stayed there. Several of theother craft formed a triangle again and hovered
for a few seconds. Bouschong saidthat he could not think of anything in
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nature that could have done what theUFOs were doing. It seemed like the
UFOs were trying to draw attention tothemselves, he said. The UFOs stopped
and stayed for several hours. Buschongsaid he watched them the entire time.
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The witness could see dozens of otherobjects along the way. The craft did
maneuvers like flying from three thousand feetto fifty thousand feet in the matter of
seconds. One of these objects movedtwenty miles in less than a second.
This means they were traveling at seventyone thousand miles an hour. This is
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fast enough to fly from New Yorkto Los Angeles in two minutes. Bauschan
concluded, I do not know ofany technology that can travel at that speed.
He excluded any meteor meteorological explanation forthe occurrence. Bauschan's desire to continue
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working motivated him to keep quiet.If you see something and say something,
you get invited to work elsewhere.Having only worked at the NWS for three
years of the time of the LakeMichigan incident, he hadn't developed a strong
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scientific reputation yet. If he wereto be fired for his job of finding
a new one other than flipping Burgherswould have been nearly impossible. Even after
years of service developing a reputation asbeing a reliable scientist, he still feared
the mockery that would occur. Intwenty sixteen, after he retired from the
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NWS, Buschang began sharing his experienceswith small media outlets. After the UFO
report was released in June at twentytwenty one, he felt confident enough to
speak out. UFOs were officially acknowledgedas a national security issue, but the
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Office of the Director of National Intelligence. According to Bouschang, learning that the
military and the government were UFOs seriouslyprompted him to examine his own experience.
Bouchang plans to publish his investigation asan open source work as well. What
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people of Lake Michigan observed that nightremains a mystery. Based on the information
available, we can conclude that theobjects were moving too erratically and too fast
to have been airplanes, helicopters,or weather balloons. These characteristics are eerily
similar to the UFOs that have beenencountered by the Navy pilots in recent years.
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This leads us to believe that whateverthe people of Lake Michigan saw it
was probably not of this earth.One of the larger mass Ufo sightings in
history took place in Zimbabwe on Septembersixteenth, nineteen ninety four. Sixty two
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students playing during a morning recess reportedseeing a strange silver craft come down from
the sky and land near a feetin a nearby field that was full of
trees. The students said one ormore humanoid creatures dressed in what looked like
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skin tight black uniforms got out ofthe craft. These beings were making odd
movements approaching the fence where the studentswere all assembled. Some of the students
said that these creatures seemed to beable to communicate with them telepathically, transmitting
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a message of concern about the damagethat humans were dwing to the earth.
I hated when I hear voices insidemy head. The witnesses are in their
thirties and forties today and they're tellingthe same story now that they told back
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in nineteen ninety four. It wasabout ten o'clock in the morning. The
children went outside for a mid morningbreak. As they were playing near the
school building, something in the distancecaught their attention. As the children later
told adults they saw silver round disc. Most of the adults were indoors for
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a faculty meeting, and they onlylearned about what the children had seen once
their meeting ended. The teachers wereskeptical and they continued the school day as
if nothing had happened. The childrenwent home and they told their parents.
Some of the children described what they'dseen as being aliens, while others thought
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that they had seen vic Wombo,the evil goblin of Shona and other folklore.
It's a word I can't even beginto pronounce, even though I looked
it up and I listened to itn d eb e l e. I
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listened to it being said several times, and now I'm drawing a blank.
So just it was from folklore,a creature. Their parents, who paid
the Aerial School a lot of moneyfor tuition, began demanding to know what
had actually happened. The Aerial Schoolstudents were interviewed by authorities and researchers.
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Cynthia Hind was the first UFO researcherto speak with the children. She then
invited UFO researcher doctor John Mack toinvestigate as well. Their interviews were videotaped
making a recording of what all thewitnesses had to say. The incident is
still unexplained today. With so manyeye is all seeing and telling the same
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story. It must drive the naysayersnuts trying to come up with some kind
of a mundane explanation. It wasa weather balloon, it had mannequins and
monkeys in it. It was aswamp gas leak of some kind. The
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kids were all hallucinating. The naysayerswill beat themselves to death trying to come
up with explanations for things that theyshould just look at and say, that's
a UFO. I wonder how comethe government isn't asking these kids what they
saw. The folks at Airborne ObjectIdentification and Management Synchronization Group, who comes
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up with those names. They shouldbe all over this sighting, asking questions
and trying to find out what happened. Instead they're doing nothing about it.
American officials and analysts globally are raisingthe alarm about a new Defense Department office
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that is supposed to be handling thegovernment's examination of unidentified flying objects, warning
that the move indicates that the militarywants to end a brief spell of transparency
and shove UFO reports back into acloset, underlock and key. Project blue
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Book was originally requested by the Colonelsthat were running air bases all over the
United States. They'd been seeing objectsin the sky and they'd been hearing reports
from pilots and from the airmen.The Colonels wanted the Air Force to look
into this, so they come upwith Project Blue Book, which, instead
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of looking into the reports, wasthere to make them go away. That's
what the government is good at,making these reports go away. If the
government is really interested in looking intowhat UFOs really are, why is there
no official place office that you andI can call to make a report.
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If you contact the government to reporta UFO, they will refer you to
New Fork. When did they kindof come up with one eight hundred UFO
sighting report or something like that.The sun had just set March thirteenth,
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nineteen ninety seven, when hundreds ofpeople across Nevada, Arizona, and Mexico
witnessed a collection of UFOs in thenight sky. The phenomenon became known as
the Phoenix, and its authenticity hasbeen debated even up until today. From
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seven thirty until about ten thirty atnight, hundreds of citizens flooded their local
police department phone lines with calls,wanting to know what they had seen in
the sky. They reported floating orbsin a V shaped craft the size of
several football fields moving across the cityof Phoenix. While the glowing orbs remained
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stationary, the V shaped object wasmoving heading south. Even though pilots in
the Phoenix area notified Air Traffic Controlof what they were seeing, none of
the controllers saw anything out of theordinary on the radar. Well, at
least that's what they say. Ican just picture some government official walking into
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the radar operations room and collecting allthe tapes and telling I wasn't here and
this event never happened. Something likethat. Just as suddenly as they appeared,
the Phoenix lights all vanished. Somepeople called a Luke Air Force Base
asking what might have been in thesky. The base operations has said there
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was nothing in the sky that nightthat could have been mistaken for these lights.
Nothing. We had no planes inthe sky that night, There were
no government jets flying around Phoenix.Then suddenly government officials came out saying that
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these orbs were nothing more than flaresbeing deployed by military training exercise. Oh
yeah, we forgot a bunch ofairplanes. Well yeah, they took off
and made a bunch of noise,and I completely forgot about them. A
bunch of pilots were out buzzing thetown, dropping flares, some of which
were over private property. The Vshaped craft was explained away as it just
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being a bunch of planes flying information. I watched one video of the
lights the naysayers showed how the lightsall vanished as they went behind a mountain
range. The thing is, thelights they were showing were not what people
had been seen. Their explanation waslacking. They were trying to use an
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earlier video to explain away eyewitness reports. One of the few people seeing the
Phoenix lights did so at about sixfifty five pm. Now let me say
that again. One of the firstpeople to see the Phoenix lights saw them
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at six fifty five pm. Theman said he saw a V shaped formation
and the skies near Erson, Nevada. Then, at about eight fifteen,
a former police officer and pauled inArizona reported seeing a cluster of orange lights.
He followed them through the sky withhis binoculars until they disappeared. These
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were referred to by many as lookinglike fireballs. Two minutes later, other
calls came in about a group ofwhite and reddish orbs hovering over Prescott,
Arizona. There were two distinct groupsof UFOs in the sky, one a
collection of individual orbs and the otherbeing the V shaped craft. According to
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the National UFO Reporting Center, NewFork, the V shaped formation contained anywhere
from five to seven lights that wereslowly soaring in unison from the northwest before
turning almost south. As the formationmoved, one of the lights towards the
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back moved up to the front beforefalling back to its place again. The
V shape was caught on tape bydoctor Lynn Kaitai, and it seemed to
have three lights on each prong ofthis and the seventh at the tip.
Conservative estimates gaged it to span thelength of three football fields, while others
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said it was more than a milelong. Now, you may have seen
doctor Kaitai in a movie. Ifyou watch the same kind of movies that
I do, you may have seenher in Raising Arizona. Doctor Kaitai played
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Florence, Arizona, the mother ofthe Arizona Quinn tuplets. She didn't have
any lines, as she just screamedwhenever she discovered that one of her kids
had been kidnapped. Yes, thatwas her. We don't have anything that
big one it has said. Itwas totally silent. I've never seen anything
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even close to the colors from theexhaust that propelled that thing. It was
as big as downtown Prescott and completelyblocked out the stars. Thirty one year
old Dana Valentine spotted the Phoenix lightsfrom his backyard. He called his father,
an aeronautical engineer, outside, tokevi a look. Together, they
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watched what appeared to be a Vshaped craft at about five hundred feet passing
overhead. You could see the outlineof a mass behind the lights, but
you couldn't actually see the mass.It was more like a gray distortion of
the night sky. It was wavy. I don't know exactly what it was,
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but I know it's not technology thepublic has heard of before. It
was astonishing and a little frightening,said Tim Ley, who got out of
his car to watch the lights.It was so big and so strange,
you couldn't actually see the object allyou could see was the outline, as
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though something were blotting out the stars. Bill Grava, who had been an
air traffic controller for twelve years andworked at the Sky Harbor International Airport tower
that night, called the incident weirdand inexplicable. He reiterated years later that
he still didn't know what to thinkand he had no idea what he had
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seen. Phoenix councilwoman Francis Barwood wasthe first official the publicly demand answers to
the Phoenix Lights incident. One ofher constituents called and said he had a
very clear video of the triangular craftand he wanted to share it with her.
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A few weeks went by with nothingarriving on her desk, She called
and asked about the video, andthe witness said that two men, saying
that they were from her office,had come to his home and they took
the video. A Barwood didn't haveany assistance, let alone two of them.
She believes that her phone was beingtapped and the two men were working
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for some unnamed government agency. Thelocal government called on the Air Force to
investigate, but the the US AirForce said it was prohibited from doing so.
After Project Blue book had been closeddown in nineteen sixty nine. Citizens
turned to independent organizations like Moufon,but the public outcry for an official explanation
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and never ceased. Governor Symington claimedhe hadn't even heard of the incident,
but he finally scheduled a press conferencein June nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven to
address it. Simington claimed that thegovernment had captured an alien, and they
brought out his assistant, Jay Hiler, who was in an alien costume.
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Everybody had a good laugh at thewitness's expense. Symington said, this just
goes to show that you guys areentirely too serious about this. Let's all
laugh at the UFO witnesses. Makethem feel good, make them want a
report next time they see something.The stunt was met with laughter and applause,
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and the entire incident was swept awayas just being some harmless oddity.
In two thousand and seven, Symingtonhimself revealed and a number of interviews that
he knew the UFO was real.He said in a statement he drove out
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to watch the Phoenix lights himself.Symington said, I'm a pilot and I
know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything I'd ever
seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people though it reliable people.
I don't know why people would ridiculeit. It was enormous. It just
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felt otherworldly, he added. Inyour gut, you could just tell it
was otherworldly. He was one ofthose ridiculing the witnesses. He rationalized his
dismissive press conference by claiming that hewas trying to essuge his constituents, who
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were on the brink of hysteria forten years. He had quietly shared the
concerns of the people that he wasmocking, saying they're just a bunch of
conspiracy theorists. After that stunt ofthe fake alien, Symington should be apologizing
to everybody that he had ridiculed andbelittled after seeing the Phoenix lights. This
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is the kind of government action thatleads to so many people seeing things only
to keep it to themselves, andit does nothing to get people to rely
on those that we elect to takecare of things. Yeah, the government,
they really care about what you see. Tell them and they'll make fun
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of you. On the eve ofMay ninth, twenty twenty three, residents
of the town of Laplata in Argentinaspotted two red balls of fire in a
white UFO orb hovering in the nightsky. Around thirty bicyclists from Escanada,
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twenty miles way also observed these UFOs. Several people caught the flying crafts on
video. Walter Romero, a memberof the FAO Laplata, was among the
first to bring attention to this particularsight. Friends of his quickly shared photographs
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of the event, depicting the strangeluminous phenomenon in the vicinity of almost Reports
flooded in from various parts of southernGreater Buenos Aires, each describing the exact
same site, two large fiery tonguesof red light standing still against the night
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sky in spite of almost overcast conditions. The lights were clearly visible. At
the same time, reports in variousparts of Mexico were also coming in.
The video of these lights looked tome like one object with a dark center.
They stayed in the same distance fromeach other, as if they were
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connected on a dark background. Thelights would look like two objects instead of
one. Yes, I looked atthe video. I looked at a lot
of the photographs. It didn't looklike anything that should have been flying around.
Teams of Pentagon and intelligence community expertswill soon be responding to military UFO
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sightings and conducting field investigations. Underthe newly unveiled defense legislation that is passing
in Congress. Lawmakers want scientists andtechnical experts to analyze data about the objects
or what the military calls unidentified aerialphenomenon UFOs. I hate that news speak
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they're using. It's nineteen eighty fourall over again. The boy in the
white lab coats will now be hustlingthemselves out to sightings of UFO crashes and
recoveries. They are to study anyrecovered material or any medical information from witnesses,
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according to the text of the AnnualDefense Authority Bill released recently. The
bill requires all of the findings tobe collected under a new joint UFO office
and delivered to Congress in annual reportsand a bi annual briefing to Defense committees,
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making the most significant UFO legislation everpassed in the US. Following the
high profile encounters with unknown objects beingreported by the Navy. Why am I
not all excited about this? Oh? Yes, the Pentagon drugged their feet
with the last few reports and thenwhen they actually he made the reports,
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they didn't really say anything. Theywill somehow manage to convince those folks in
Washington there's nothing to see here,pay no attention to the man behind.
Well, you know what I mean. Congress tells the military to do something.
The military are supposed to do whatCongress tells them. After all,
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Congress is supposed to be in charge. The military act as if they're trying
to cooperate, but they need moretime to figure out what they're looking at
and how they're going to spin thefacts to reflect what they think we should
know and what we shouldn't. Withmore and more people becoming willing to tell
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about what they're seeing, someday wejust might get some kind of an answer.
It will not be coming from Washington. It will have to come from
Moufon or New Fork. Applying saucerwill have to land in the middle of
a big city, and then peoplewill have to be convinced it's not a
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hologram. We also have to worryabout some kind of a false flag event
taking place where control of the entireplanet will be rested away from the few
people that still maintain their freedom.All in the name of Global Security.
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I hope you enjoyed tonight's show.If you did, tell your friends,
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you can enjoy life more. Sunday, July sixteenth, twenty twenty three,
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I will be speaking at the McAllenPublic Library four zero zero one North twenty
third Street. I'll be talking aboutthe flying disc that crashed in Mexico nineteen
forty eight, one year after Roswell. Come on by and learn something that
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those people don't want you to knowabout. If you want to be there
at the library, they're asking youto kind of reserve a seat. It's
not that they're expecting thousands of peopleto show up. It's just kind of
a small room. So if you'dlike to come by and actually see me
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alive and in person talking, youcan call the library A nine five six
six eight one three zero zero zero, or you can contact them by email
at McAllen library a dot leibnet that'slib in et, a dot info backslash
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event. Like I said, it'snot that they're expecting thousands of people.
It's not that big of a room. They don't want you having to stand
out in the hallway. When oneperson sees a UFO and talks about it,
the naysayers can rush out and saythings like the witness drank too much,
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or he was on drugs, orhe was crazy or confused, he
didn't know what he was seeing,or he was simply making the whole thing
up. You hear this all thetime. Those people aren't trying to convince
you or me that there's nothing tosee here. The focus is the general
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public, the folks that want tobelieve that there's nothing out there because it
would make their lives uncomfortable if theythought that there was anything going on that
the government couldn't playing away. Sothey come up with these outlandish explanations,
some of which will make your headspin, and people believe it. Oh,
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that wasn't a ghost you saw.It was just your imagination, or
it was something you were seeing areflection, or something you didn't actually see
Bigfoot out in the woods. Itwas a bear walking through the woods on
his way to the post office.Things like that. It was a weather
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balloon. That's my all time favorite. Farmington, New Mexico, March nineteen
fifty there was a mass sighting involvinghundreds of witnesses. Some witnesses said there
were a hundreds of UFOs seen inthe skies. To add to the story.
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This took place during daylight hour.It wasn't at night. It was
a spanned three days. Farmington isabout fifty miles east of the four Corners
area where New Mexico, Arizona,Utah in Colorado meet. Newspapers all over
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New Mexico ran front page stories abouthow this town was being invaded by aliens
from outer space. The sightings andarticles were almost three years before the CIA
put together the Robertson's Panel. InJanuary eighteen fifty three, the Central Intelligence
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Agency convened a group of scientists toinvestigate whether these unknown phenomena in the sky
represented a national security threat. Thepanel had been told ahead of time their
investigation was going to find They werealso told how they should make fun of
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anybody that reports seeing a UFO andjust heap derision on them make them look
like a total fool. The panelwas so successful that even today many people
will still look at any UFO reportas if it was being made by crazy
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people. You watched the evening news, and the news people the talking heads,
they'll say, oh, yes,somebody saw a UFO and then they'll
kind of chuckle at the camera like, ha ha, I don't believe that,
and you shouldn't either. Even afterthe Pentagon came out and said those
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things aren't ours, and they're notthe Russians, and they're not the Chinese,
but whose are they? Then someususuf own investigators say the Farmington flap
is one of the biggest stories inhistory, yet few people have even heard
of it. The folks running theDepartment of Truth have done an excellent job
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in making this incident vanish like alot of others. David Marler as a
UFO researcher and author who also worksin the healthcare field. David received his
Bachelor of Science degree in psychology fromSouthern Illinois University in Edwardsville. He's not
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some guy living in his parents' basementwho's trying to make a name for himself.
The guy already has a career.He doesn't need the attention. As
a UFO investigator, he finds itfascinating. He has one of the largest
historical UFO archives of books, journals, magazines, news papers, microfilm,
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audio recordings, and case files fromaround the world that spans the last seventy
five years. If you want tocheck him out, go to DAVIDMARLERUFO dot
com. Marler isn't alone and beingcompelled to look into the nineteen fifty flat.
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A lot of people living in SanJuan County, where Farmington is located,
have direct ties to the mass sightingthat has become a part of their
family history. Patty Tharpe of SanJuan County Historical Society is the niece of
one of the witnesses, Clayton Body, who was the business manager of the
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Daily Times in the nineteen fifties.She recalls her late uncle regularly talking about
the sightings where she was growing up, and said that the tales of the
Ufo are Mata is well known amongthe county's older residents. She remembers her
uncle as a man not given toexaggeration and said he wasn't the kind to
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call attention to himself by manufacturing outlandishstories. He believed he witnessed something out
of the ordinary that day over thethree days, at around nine nine,
over a three day period, atabout eleven am until noon, people were
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seeing UFOs. Farmington had a populationof around four or five thousand residents at
the time. Many of them sawthe UFOs and they filed reports both with
the local authorities and people coming fromout of town as well as the military.
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People said they were seeing saucer shapedobjects at around fifteen thousand feet moving
in ways that no aircraft and nobirds would move. They would shoot back
and forth across the sky, narrowlymissing each other. Some folks spotted a
red UFO that looked like it waskind of in charge. The others were
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white or a kind of a yellowishcolor. As one person would spot the
UFOs in the sky, they wouldpoint them out to others, eventually involving
the entire downtown area. For anhour, the craft would fly around in
the sky, and then they wouldall vanish at once. Marler said there
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are several elements that separate the FarmingtonUFO incident from so many others, mostly
the fact that so many people saidthey had witnessed it. The sightings took
place at eleven am to noon eachday in the skies over San Juan County,
not at night, but in thedaytime when you could easily see.
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Handfuls of people would look up andwatch these craft flying around. The Daily
Times a chronicled how pedestrians along MainStreet could be seen looking skyward and pointing.
The paper was deluged with calls fromreaders reporting the objects. Although the
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story explains that high winds and adust storm prevented a very clear vision,
the account explains how the objects appearto play tag, traveling at almost unbelievable
speeds. The paper quoted Body,a former army captain, who said he
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was on Broadway Avenue when he becameaware of the phenomenon. He said,
all of a sudden, I noticeda few moving objects high in the sky.
Moments later there appeared to be hundredsof them, A Bodie declined.
Bodie declined to estimate the size ofthe speed of the objects, but he
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said they appeared to fly at analtitude of approximately fifteen thousand feet. Several
witnesses were quoted in the stories aswell, including merchants, housewives, mechanics,
insurance agents, and the head ofthe Farmington unit of the Soil Conservation
Service, A man named Harold Thatcherwas quoted as emphatically denying a theory that
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the objects people were seeing were bitsof hotton floating in the sky. And
now, I've never seen saucer shapedcotton, but that's what they tried to
explain it away, as many ofthese witnesses reported seeing a single red object
that appeared to be leading all ofthe others. Marlow Webb was a twenty
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six year old manager in the partsdepartment at a garage on Main Street in
downtown Farmington. Webb told the paperhe estimated the objects were small, about
the size of a dinner plate,and noted the objects moved in an unusual
way. They would go sideways,on edge and at every conceivable angle.
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He said, this is what madeit easy to determine that they were saucer
shaped. Webb said he was workingat his stepfather's Chevy dealership across the street
from the Tatl Theater on March seventeenth, nineteen fifty, when somebody told him
they had seen saucer shaped objects inthe sky, Webb went out to have
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a look. He said he couldmake out twelve to twenty objects. He
also said they were loosely arranged,not in any kind of a formation that
he could figure out, but theywere moving in an east to west direction.
They were darting around, almost likeleaves in the sky being blown around,
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he said. Webb watched the objectsfor approximately ten to fifteen minutes,
and then he went back inside towork. He had a job to do
and his stepfather probably didn't want theparts counter being unattended for too long of
a time. He said he recalledseeing people on Main Street looking into the
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sky for a long time after hewas back in. Many of those witnesses
were a lot more taken by theevent than he was. They were known
to talk about what they'd seen foryears after the event. Webb said he
spoke to a military investigator after theincident and told him the same story.
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He understands that some people wanted todraw other conclusions from what they had heard
about the event, but he saidhe never felt the urge to do that.
Another well known authority on local history, marylou Wayburn, author of Homestead
to Boomtown, a pictorial history ofFarmington, New Mexico. Said she was
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in college in Missouri in the springof nineteen fifty when the incident took place.
She got an earful about it fromher friends when she returned to Farmington
at the end of this semester.Wayburn wound up writing about the mass sighting
on its fortieth anniversary in March nineteenninety edition of Cross Currents, an independent
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publication that describes itself as a journalof life in the Four Corners. In
her story, Wayburn recounts that sheheard the story dozens of times after she
returned from college, and a groupof her friends took her to a location
that was supposed to be where alanding took place. She described it as
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a large circle about sixty feet indiameter, where the sagebrush had been flattened
out and singed. Weeds were allaround the edges. So you get this
giant circle sixty feet across and it'sburned all around the edges at almost sounds
like what happened in Mexico nineteen fortyeight. Wayburn also quoted a Farmington resident
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named Pauline McCauley, who said shewas just a little girl. At the
time of the sighting, McAuley saidshe was herding sheep south of town that
day when she heard a sound aboveher. Looking up, she saw a
circular object that looked like an upsidedown bowl. McCauley told Wayburn the object
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had windows and she could see peopleinside, and they looked like they were
wearing caps and navy blue uniforms ofsome type. Wayburn heard various other stories
over the years, many of themfrom people who didn't want their names used
for fear of being ridiculed. Shesaid the incident sparked a great deal of
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curiosity at the time and remains atopic of discussion for the older folks.
They took it for what it was, She said that it was something they
wanted to know more about. RioRancho resident Ron Body, the son of
the witness, Clayton Body, saidhis father talked about the incident occasionally over
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the years, but he never madea big deal of it. Last time
I really talked to my dad aboutthat was probably forty years ago, he
said, adding that his father wasa veteran of World War Two and the
Korean War and he was not easilyimpressed. It was unusual to him,
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but not earth shattering or life changing. When you've been in war twice seeing
a UFO that wouldn't be a wholelot of excitement, not like getting shot
at a round. Body said hisfather was still a major in the Army
reserves at the time of the incident, and he recalls his father getting a
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phone call from a military official askinghim to refrain from doing any more interviews
on the subject. So even backthen, the military was trying to hush
things up. Tharpe Clayton, Bodi'sniece, also has taken a keen interest
in the event. She said thewire services picked up the story on the
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incident from New Mexico papers, andshe had collected clippings that mentioned her uncle
from newspapers all over the country.She agreed with her cousin Ronbody that her
uncle didn't consider the appearance of thestrange objects to be an alien invasion.
He seemed to think it was something. He seemed to not think it was
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something from another planet, that itwas some kind of a military experiment.
The quality and quantity of the informationsurrounding the Farmington UFO event has almost has
always impressed Marler. He said theaccounts and the witnesses who were quoted in
the Daily Times were remarkably consistent,and when those people talked about their memories
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of that day years later, theirstories hadn't changed. He said, I'm
really struck by the sincerity and thehonesty of the people I interviewed. They're
not saying they saw flying saucers,but they saw something that looked like a
saucer that was flying. That separatesthem from the principles and other UFO stories
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he has investigated, many of whomare not nearly as credible. He said,
it really smacks of reality, addingthat the witnesses he spoke to unfailingly
recalled their parents as grounded, levelheaded people who were not looking for attention.
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He also noted that an account ofa UFO sighting occurred that day in
Tucca Maccari, an event reported Marcheighteenth, nineteen fifty edition of the Tucca
Tucca Maccarie Daily must be an Indianword Tuka Kamari Daily News, and an
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Air Force captain and two technical sergeantsat Kurtland Air Force Base in Albuquerque reported
seeing three strange objects in the skythat afternoon. Marler also has collected newspaper
accounts of UFO sightings from that timeperiod, not just across New Mexico,
but all over Texas and into Mexico. His website explains that after an official
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investigation, a government official responded topublic curiosity over the event by claiming the
objects that people had seen were theremnants of a ruptured high altitude US Navy
skyhook balloon. Marler, who haspresented several lectures on his findings, flatly
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dismisses this theory, explaining that itmight have been plausible for one day of
the UFO sightings, but not forthree days. He also pointed to research
that showed there were no documented skyhookballoons launched at that time. Given the
technological limitations of the era, therewere no photos or film footage of the
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Farmington incident. Marler points out thatif such an event were to happen now,
they're likely would be an abundance ofsuch material, But he takes the
mass u of O sighting here muchmore seriously than he does many other events
he has investigated, and said he'snot sure why it hasn't gotten attention that
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he thinks it deserves. He said, the Farmington incident is well known in
UFO research stories, but he acknowledgesit is not nearly as well known as
Roswell incident or the crash of theUFO at Aztec nineteen forty seven, an
event commemorated through an annual mountain bikerace etched in local pop culture. The
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Aztec UFO incident involved the discovery ofa saucer shaped craft measuring approximately one hundred
feet in diameter atop a Mesa inNew Mexico, eight months and some three
hundred and seventy miles from the crashedsaucer at Roswell. Through his research,
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Marler said he has tried to eliminatevarious possible explanations for what happened in Farmington.
When you eliminate those prosaic explanations,it's like checking off a list.
What you're left with is an unknown, but unknown does not equal extraterrestrial.
The question of why the Farmington incidentnever captured the public's imagination the way Roswell
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did is a riddle to Marler andsome other UFO investigators. A Tharpe doesn't
see it as as unexplainable as towhy people don't remember the incident. She
says that she thinks that Roswell isjust as con get back to this,
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she thinks that the people in Roswellare no more conservative than the people living
in Farmington. There were so manypeople in nineteen fifty who lived in the
town who all said that they sawsomething flying over the city that they couldn't
explain. Farmington is described as aconservative place that likely would bristle at being
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associated with little Green men. Somefolks believe the folks there have just decided
to leave the incident behind. That'swhy you don't have any books out called
the crash at Farmington. As faras the UFO crash is not being talked
about, how about the Laredo incident. It was one year after Roswell and
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the craft crashed in Mexico. Ithad to be trucked out and sent to
write Patterson Air Base. I'll tellmore about the crash at McCallan Library if
you get a chance, and ifyou don't make it there, I'll also
be talking about it at the SanAntonio UFO Festival. In nineteen sixty nine,
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residents of Berkshire County in Massachusetts wentinto a panic after multiple people reported
seeing a UFO. The furor overthe sighting reached far beyond the area and
captivated people all over America. InRoswell, New Mexico, a replica of
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the vessel was displayed at the InternationalUFO Museum. On the evening of September
first nighteen sixty nine, strange lightssend it on the town of Sheffield,
located in the southern Berkshires. Manywho saw these lights said they were attached
to a UFO. The term Berkshiresis normally used by the locals in reference
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to a portion of the Vermont basedGreen Mountains that extend a south into western
Massachusetts and farther south into northwest Connecticut. The Berkshires are also made up of
many very small towns, not anybig cities. In twenty fifteen, a
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group of residents who witnessed the nineteensixty nine UFO raised funds and they built
a monument to it. According towitness accounts, the UFO in question was
a dark shaped craft that performed acrobaticmaneuvers in the sky over the Berkshires.
It's unclear exactly how long the phenomenonlasted. Many of the witnesses of the
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UFO described losing track of time.Now, they didn't say they lost time,
only that they lost track of howlong they were watching. It's not
like they woke up an hour afterthe incident. Sheffield, where many of
the witnesses resided, at a populationof a little over three thousand people,
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the brief UFO encounter was powerful enoughto leave a lingering sense of mass confusion
in its wake. School Children weredrawing UFOs in class, while adults called
in the local radio station to talkabout what they had seen. We had
listeners calling the radio station that evening, said David Issy, a general manager
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of the local radio station WSBS.At the time. They didn't know it
was a UFO. They just calledthe station to say there was something bizarre
happening. Many people who saw thestrangely lit vessel that night were left to
bewildered. Nobody seemed to know whatthey saw, but they knew that they
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saw something. The incident has sincebeen dubbed the nineteen sixty nine Berkshire UFO.
It was later estimated that about fortypeople reported seeing this craft. Some
of them wore children at the time, and they still live in the area
today. Children were coming into schooltalking about the event, said Robert Croll,
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the director of the Great Barrington HistoricalSociety. An older student of mine.
One is a local shop owner whosefather was the police chief in town.
These are reliable people. There isno self promotion going on. It's
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not like they were trying to attracttourists to their area. According to Thomas
Reid's account, he saw the UFOwhen he was nine years old. It
was September first, nineteen sixty nine, when he was in a car with
his mother, his grandmother, andhis brother. As Reid recalls, the
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family was heading home from the restaurantthey owned, called the Village on the
Green. Suddenly they noticed a massof glowing lights peeking out through the trees
ahead on the road. The strangelights continued to spill out from behind the
trees as the family crossed the coveredSheffield Bridge, but they didn't know what
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to make of it. We alllooked at it because it was kind of
self contained glow. Thomas Reid said, it rose up a little bit.
It looked like it was following thedirt road, which I'm sure it probably
wasn't. It appeared the way thatway because we could see it through the
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trees. The light started to bleedthrough. Once we broke into a little
bit of a clearing, we couldsee inside the car the light was flooding
the interior. After an amber glowemerged on both sides of the road.
Reid recalled being taken to a hangarlike area that was as big as a
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football field. We encountered something,Reid said, it was definitely not of
this world. We had a blackand white TV at the time, and
the imagery that we saw on thisthing was unbelievable. There were lights that
looked like fluorescent tubing inside this hangar. This hallway we had seen was circular
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with a wide configuration, almost tocontrol the flow of traffic. This one
room had a bo old in wallthat was rounded. It was not something
that you would have seen in nineteensixty nine. I have no idea where
I was, but I know thatwhat I saw was very different than anything
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I'd ever seen today in the lastfifty years. Glimpses of this strange place
muddied his brain until he realized thatthey were back inside the car. His
grandmother and mother had switched places,and everything got really calm. It was
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like being in the middle of ahurricane. There was a bur metric change
in pressure. It was just likea dead silence. Then there was an
eruption of crickets and frogs and itgot really loud, and well that was
it, Reid said, adding thatit was all quite confusing. Many occasions
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when people have been abducted and thencome to and diff location, like Travis
Walton when he woke up in HeberSometimes they have discovered that their shoes on
the wrong feet. Sometimes the buttonson their shirts don't line up correctly.
Just little things that perhaps the aliensdon't understand that need to be done correctly,
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or maybe they do it to messwith us. People wake up in
the morning and they're on the wrongside of the bed, they've switched places
with their spouse, just little weirdthings like that that nobody can explain.
Reid has been the most vocal witnessto the nineteen sixty nine Berkshire UFO.
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He helped convince other witnesses to pullmoney and erect a five thousand pound concrete
monument, which was built by thecovered Sheffield Bridge where he had seen the
UFO. Along with his family,they put in benching and lighting decorations so
that the place was a little moreattractive for people that wanted to visit it.
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Later, Reid formed the nonprofit UFOMonument Park Incorporated in order to maintain
the monument. Disagreements between those whobelieved the UFO marked a significant event in
the town's history and those who sawthe monument as an eyesore began to boil
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over. In twenty nineteen, fouryears after is erected, the town removed
the Berkshire UFO Monument the town's attorneyas assessment that the monument had been erected
on town property quickly paved the wayfor its removal. According to Read,
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there were no issues with the townofficials during the plans to build the UFO
monument. The plaque on the BerkshireUFO Monument described it as our nation's first
off world UFO incident. The naysayerswill go to extremes to do away with
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any kind of UFO recognition, evenif it's carved in stone. If not
for Stanton Friedman having interviewed Jesse Marcel, we might never have heard of Roswell.
There were lots of witnesses, butthey had all been talked to,
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and none of them wanted to windup dead out in the desert somewhere.
March eighth, nineteen ninety four,something unexplainable took place over Lake Michigan.
More than three hundred residents reported observingstrange lights in the sky. Some of
these lights traveled at unbelievable speeds.Some of them made incredible maneuvers. UFOs
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were spotted hovering over the water andthen disappearing into the sky. That night,
residents living along Lake Michigan Shores observedone of the world's largest UFO sightings.
Luminous orbs danced erratically in the nightsky over the water were seen as
far south as Indiana state line.Many callers reported the strange flying objects to
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the local police. Concerned citizens calleddispatch more than three hundred times. It
was later confirmed by the National WeatherService there were large objects in the sky
over the lake, objects that werenot airplanes. Using the radar system,
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NWS meteorologist Jack Bushong, in chargeof the office at the Muskegon County Airport,
recorded the objects in coorinated rapid speedand movement. Although the meteorologists accomplished
this feat while communicating with the localpolice, who verified the UFO's high speed
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and impossible maneuvers. He refused todiscuss the incident for professional reasons. Additionally,
the NWS asked him to not speakto the media about the matter for
fear of losing credibility and being ridiculedby his colleagues. Boushong admitted to seeing
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Lake Michigan UFOs in nineteen ninety four, after retiring from the NWUS. He
made this declaration in a TV showSomething in the Sky, an episode of
Unsolved Mysteries, which premiered on Octobertwenty twenty two. The objects appeared to
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be airplanes, but they didn't actas if there were any kind of a
man made flying craft. As aresult of the amount of energy returned by
the echoes, they appeared to besolid, smooth, and highly reflective objects.
A triangular formation was observed on radarreturns as the UFOs came and flew
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at an altitude of approximately six thousandand five hundred feet. One of the
objects, the northernmost light, soareda hundred thousand feet over the lake and
just stayed there. Several of theother craft formed a triangle again and hovered
for a few seconds. Bouschong saidthat he could not think of anything in
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nature that could have done what theUFOs were doing. It seemed like the
UFOs were trying to draw attention tothemselves, he said. The UFOs stopped
and stayed for several hours. Buschongsaid he watched them the entire time.
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The witness could see dozens of otherobjects along the way. The craft did
maneuvers like flying from three thousand feetto fifty thousand feet in the matter of
seconds. One of these objects movedtwenty miles in less than a second.
This means they were traveling at seventyone thousand miles an hour. This is
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fast enough to fly from New Yorkto Los Angeles in two minutes. Bauschan
concluded, I do not know ofany technology that can travel at that speed.
He excluded any meteor meteorological explanation forthe occurrence. Bauschan's desire to continue
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working motivated him to keep quiet.If you see something and say something,
you get invited to work elsewhere.Having only worked at the NWS for three
years of the time of the LakeMichigan incident, he hadn't developed a strong
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scientific reputation yet. If he wereto be fired for his job of finding
a new one other than flipping Burgherswould have been nearly impossible. Even after
years of service developing a reputation asbeing a reliable scientist, he still feared
the mockery that would occur. Intwenty sixteen, after he retired from the
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NWS, Buschang began sharing his experienceswith small media outlets. After the UFO
report was released in June at twentytwenty one, he felt confident enough to
speak out. UFOs were officially acknowledgedas a national security issue, but the
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Office of the Director of National Intelligence. According to Bouschang, learning that the
military and the government were UFOs seriouslyprompted him to examine his own experience.
Bouchang plans to publish his investigation asan open source work as well. What
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people of Lake Michigan observed that nightremains a mystery. Based on the information
available, we can conclude that theobjects were moving too erratically and too fast
to have been airplanes, helicopters,or weather balloons. These characteristics are eerily
similar to the UFOs that have beenencountered by the Navy pilots in recent years.
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This leads us to believe that whateverthe people of Lake Michigan saw it
was probably not of this earth.One of the larger mass Ufo sightings in
history took place in Zimbabwe on Septembersixteenth, nineteen ninety four. Sixty two
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students playing during a morning recess reportedseeing a strange silver craft come down from
the sky and land near a feetin a nearby field that was full of
trees. The students said one ormore humanoid creatures dressed in what looked like
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skin tight black uniforms got out ofthe craft. These beings were making odd
movements approaching the fence where the studentswere all assembled. Some of the students
said that these creatures seemed to beable to communicate with them telepathically, transmitting
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a message of concern about the damagethat humans were dwing to the earth.
I hated when I hear voices insidemy head. The witnesses are in their
thirties and forties today and they're tellingthe same story now that they told back
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in nineteen ninety four. It wasabout ten o'clock in the morning. The
children went outside for a mid morningbreak. As they were playing near the
school building, something in the distancecaught their attention. As the children later
told adults they saw silver round disc. Most of the adults were indoors for
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a faculty meeting, and they onlylearned about what the children had seen once
their meeting ended. The teachers wereskeptical and they continued the school day as
if nothing had happened. The childrenwent home and they told their parents.
Some of the children described what they'dseen as being aliens, while others thought
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that they had seen vic Wombo,the evil goblin of Shona and other folklore.
It's a word I can't even beginto pronounce, even though I looked
it up and I listened to itn d eb e l e. I
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listened to it being said several times, and now I'm drawing a blank.
So just it was from folklore,a creature. Their parents, who paid
the Aerial School a lot of moneyfor tuition, began demanding to know what
had actually happened. The Aerial Schoolstudents were interviewed by authorities and researchers.
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Cynthia Hind was the first UFO researcherto speak with the children. She then
invited UFO researcher doctor John Mack toinvestigate as well. Their interviews were videotaped
making a recording of what all thewitnesses had to say. The incident is
still unexplained today. With so manyeye is all seeing and telling the same
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story. It must drive the naysayersnuts trying to come up with some kind
of a mundane explanation. It wasa weather balloon, it had mannequins and
monkeys in it. It was aswamp gas leak of some kind. The
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kids were all hallucinating. The naysayerswill beat themselves to death trying to come
up with explanations for things that theyshould just look at and say, that's
a UFO. I wonder how comethe government isn't asking these kids what they
saw. The folks at Airborne ObjectIdentification and Management Synchronization Group, who comes
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up with those names. They shouldbe all over this sighting, asking questions
and trying to find out what happened. Instead they're doing nothing about it.
American officials and analysts globally are raisingthe alarm about a new Defense Department office
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that is supposed to be handling thegovernment's examination of unidentified flying objects, warning
that the move indicates that the militarywants to end a brief spell of transparency
and shove UFO reports back into acloset, underlock and key. Project blue
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Book was originally requested by the Colonelsthat were running air bases all over the
United States. They'd been seeing objectsin the sky and they'd been hearing reports
from pilots and from the airmen.The Colonels wanted the Air Force to look
into this, so they come upwith Project Blue Book, which, instead
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of looking into the reports, wasthere to make them go away. That's
what the government is good at,making these reports go away. If the
government is really interested in looking intowhat UFOs really are, why is there
no official place office that you andI can call to make a report.
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If you contact the government to reporta UFO, they will refer you to
New Fork. When did they kindof come up with one eight hundred UFO
sighting report or something like that.The sun had just set March thirteenth,
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nineteen ninety seven, when hundreds ofpeople across Nevada, Arizona, and Mexico
witnessed a collection of UFOs in thenight sky. The phenomenon became known as
the Phoenix, and its authenticity hasbeen debated even up until today. From
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seven thirty until about ten thirty atnight, hundreds of citizens flooded their local
police department phone lines with calls,wanting to know what they had seen in
the sky. They reported floating orbsin a V shaped craft the size of
several football fields moving across the cityof Phoenix. While the glowing orbs remained
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stationary, the V shaped object wasmoving heading south. Even though pilots in
the Phoenix area notified Air Traffic Controlof what they were seeing, none of
the controllers saw anything out of theordinary on the radar. Well, at
least that's what they say. Ican just picture some government official walking into
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the radar operations room and collecting allthe tapes and telling I wasn't here and
this event never happened. Something likethat. Just as suddenly as they appeared,
the Phoenix lights all vanished. Somepeople called a Luke Air Force Base
asking what might have been in thesky. The base operations has said there
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was nothing in the sky that nightthat could have been mistaken for these lights.
Nothing. We had no planes inthe sky that night, There were
no government jets flying around Phoenix.Then suddenly government officials came out saying that
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these orbs were nothing more than flaresbeing deployed by military training exercise. Oh
yeah, we forgot a bunch ofairplanes. Well yeah, they took off
and made a bunch of noise,and I completely forgot about them. A
bunch of pilots were out buzzing thetown, dropping flares, some of which
were over private property. The Vshaped craft was explained away as it just
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being a bunch of planes flying information. I watched one video of the
lights the naysayers showed how the lightsall vanished as they went behind a mountain
range. The thing is, thelights they were showing were not what people
had been seen. Their explanation waslacking. They were trying to use an
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earlier video to explain away eyewitness reports. One of the few people seeing the
Phoenix lights did so at about sixfifty five pm. Now let me say
that again. One of the firstpeople to see the Phoenix lights saw them
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at six fifty five pm. Theman said he saw a V shaped formation
and the skies near Erson, Nevada. Then, at about eight fifteen,
a former police officer and pauled inArizona reported seeing a cluster of orange lights.
He followed them through the sky withhis binoculars until they disappeared. These
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were referred to by many as lookinglike fireballs. Two minutes later, other
calls came in about a group ofwhite and reddish orbs hovering over Prescott,
Arizona. There were two distinct groupsof UFOs in the sky, one a
collection of individual orbs and the otherbeing the V shaped craft. According to
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the National UFO Reporting Center, NewFork, the V shaped formation contained anywhere
from five to seven lights that wereslowly soaring in unison from the northwest before
turning almost south. As the formationmoved, one of the lights towards the
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back moved up to the front beforefalling back to its place again. The
V shape was caught on tape bydoctor Lynn Kaitai, and it seemed to
have three lights on each prong ofthis and the seventh at the tip.
Conservative estimates gaged it to span thelength of three football fields, while others
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said it was more than a milelong. Now, you may have seen
doctor Kaitai in a movie. Ifyou watch the same kind of movies that
I do, you may have seenher in Raising Arizona. Doctor Kaitai played
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Florence, Arizona, the mother ofthe Arizona Quinn tuplets. She didn't have
any lines, as she just screamedwhenever she discovered that one of her kids
had been kidnapped. Yes, thatwas her. We don't have anything that
big one it has said. Itwas totally silent. I've never seen anything
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even close to the colors from theexhaust that propelled that thing. It was
as big as downtown Prescott and completelyblocked out the stars. Thirty one year
old Dana Valentine spotted the Phoenix lightsfrom his backyard. He called his father,
an aeronautical engineer, outside, tokevi a look. Together, they
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watched what appeared to be a Vshaped craft at about five hundred feet passing
overhead. You could see the outlineof a mass behind the lights, but
you couldn't actually see the mass.It was more like a gray distortion of
the night sky. It was wavy. I don't know exactly what it was,
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but I know it's not technology thepublic has heard of before. It
was astonishing and a little frightening,said Tim Ley, who got out of
his car to watch the lights.It was so big and so strange,
you couldn't actually see the object allyou could see was the outline, as
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though something were blotting out the stars. Bill Grava, who had been an
air traffic controller for twelve years andworked at the Sky Harbor International Airport tower
that night, called the incident weirdand inexplicable. He reiterated years later that
he still didn't know what to thinkand he had no idea what he had
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seen. Phoenix councilwoman Francis Barwood wasthe first official the publicly demand answers to
the Phoenix Lights incident. One ofher constituents called and said he had a
very clear video of the triangular craftand he wanted to share it with her.
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A few weeks went by with nothingarriving on her desk, She called
and asked about the video, andthe witness said that two men, saying
that they were from her office,had come to his home and they took
the video. A Barwood didn't haveany assistance, let alone two of them.
She believes that her phone was beingtapped and the two men were working
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for some unnamed government agency. Thelocal government called on the Air Force to
investigate, but the the US AirForce said it was prohibited from doing so.
After Project Blue book had been closeddown in nineteen sixty nine. Citizens
turned to independent organizations like Moufon,but the public outcry for an official explanation
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and never ceased. Governor Symington claimedhe hadn't even heard of the incident,
but he finally scheduled a press conferencein June nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven to
address it. Simington claimed that thegovernment had captured an alien, and they
brought out his assistant, Jay Hiler, who was in an alien costume.
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Everybody had a good laugh at thewitness's expense. Symington said, this just
goes to show that you guys areentirely too serious about this. Let's all
laugh at the UFO witnesses. Makethem feel good, make them want a
report next time they see something.The stunt was met with laughter and applause,
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and the entire incident was swept awayas just being some harmless oddity.
In two thousand and seven, Symingtonhimself revealed and a number of interviews that
he knew the UFO was real.He said in a statement he drove out
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to watch the Phoenix lights himself.Symington said, I'm a pilot and I
know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything I'd ever
seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people though it reliable people.
I don't know why people would ridiculeit. It was enormous. It just
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felt otherworldly, he added. Inyour gut, you could just tell it
was otherworldly. He was one ofthose ridiculing the witnesses. He rationalized his
dismissive press conference by claiming that hewas trying to essuge his constituents, who
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were on the brink of hysteria forten years. He had quietly shared the
concerns of the people that he wasmocking, saying they're just a bunch of
conspiracy theorists. After that stunt ofthe fake alien, Symington should be apologizing
to everybody that he had ridiculed andbelittled after seeing the Phoenix lights. This
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is the kind of government action thatleads to so many people seeing things only
to keep it to themselves, andit does nothing to get people to rely
on those that we elect to takecare of things. Yeah, the government,
they really care about what you see. Tell them and they'll make fun
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of you. On the eve ofMay ninth, twenty twenty three, residents
of the town of Laplata in Argentinaspotted two red balls of fire in a
white UFO orb hovering in the nightsky. Around thirty bicyclists from Escanada,
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twenty miles way also observed these UFOs. Several people caught the flying crafts on
video. Walter Romero, a memberof the FAO Laplata, was among the
first to bring attention to this particularsight. Friends of his quickly shared photographs
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of the event, depicting the strangeluminous phenomenon in the vicinity of almost Reports
flooded in from various parts of southernGreater Buenos Aires, each describing the exact
same site, two large fiery tonguesof red light standing still against the night
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sky in spite of almost overcast conditions. The lights were clearly visible. At
the same time, reports in variousparts of Mexico were also coming in.
The video of these lights looked tome like one object with a dark center.
They stayed in the same distance fromeach other, as if they were
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connected on a dark background. Thelights would look like two objects instead of
one. Yes, I looked atthe video. I looked at a lot
of the photographs. It didn't looklike anything that should have been flying around.
Teams of Pentagon and intelligence community expertswill soon be responding to military UFO
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sightings and conducting field investigations. Underthe newly unveiled defense legislation that is passing
in Congress. Lawmakers want scientists andtechnical experts to analyze data about the objects
or what the military calls unidentified aerialphenomenon UFOs. I hate that news speak
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they're using. It's nineteen eighty fourall over again. The boy in the
white lab coats will now be hustlingthemselves out to sightings of UFO crashes and
recoveries. They are to study anyrecovered material or any medical information from witnesses,
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according to the text of the AnnualDefense Authority Bill released recently. The
bill requires all of the findings tobe collected under a new joint UFO office
and delivered to Congress in annual reportsand a bi annual briefing to Defense committees,
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making the most significant UFO legislation everpassed in the US. Following the
high profile encounters with unknown objects beingreported by the Navy. Why am I
not all excited about this? Oh? Yes, the Pentagon drugged their feet
with the last few reports and thenwhen they actually he made the reports,
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they didn't really say anything. Theywill somehow manage to convince those folks in
Washington there's nothing to see here,pay no attention to the man behind.
Well, you know what I mean. Congress tells the military to do something.
The military are supposed to do whatCongress tells them. After all,
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Congress is supposed to be in charge. The military act as if they're trying
to cooperate, but they need moretime to figure out what they're looking at
and how they're going to spin thefacts to reflect what they think we should
know and what we shouldn't. Withmore and more people becoming willing to tell
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about what they're seeing, someday wejust might get some kind of an answer.
It will not be coming from Washington. It will have to come from
Moufon or New Fork. Applying saucerwill have to land in the middle of
a big city, and then peoplewill have to be convinced it's not a
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hologram. We also have to worryabout some kind of a false flag event
taking place where control of the entireplanet will be rested away from the few
people that still maintain their freedom.All in the name of Global Security.
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I hope you enjoyed tonight's show.If you did, tell your friends,
tell people you don't even like thatthey should be listening to Strange Things with
Chris James. I'm still looking forstories for my latest book. If you've
seen a UFO, if your grandfathersaw a UFO, if you've seen Bigfoot,
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if you've had a ghost encounter,let me know and I'll put it
in the next book. You cancontact me at Strange Things at Arkanassa dot
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!