AI Newscast & TikTok Obsesses Over 9-Month Cruise | Panel (Ep33) - StreamLeader Report with Ross Brand

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All right, we got a funtopic to start out with. We're gonna
talk about a nine month cruise.Who the heck goes on a nine month
cruise? Which, again, yeah, and TikTok is fascinated with it.
And we'll also get into AI andnewscasters and can can AI do a newscast
without the people? And perhaps we'llalso get into some of the problems and

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some of the successes of higher education. But I say, and Rebecca a
No says, and Rob says too. Let's do a show. It's the
Stream Leader Report, live panel creatorstalking to creators, raw, real and
unscripted, and sometimes they see thequiet part out loud. Here are your

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hosts, Claudia Santiago, Rebecca Gunter, Rob Greenley, and Ross Brand.
How good is Jody Kragle's voice?Oh my god, she makes me want

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to work out and take care ofmyself and eat healthy. My god,
what an awesome open she did.No, man, she just makes you
want to pull up a cuppa.She does the thing. Yeah, she
is good. All right, Rebecca, I need a fun story, so
let's start out with this TikTok fascinationwith a cruise and who goes on a

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nine month cruises that rich people do. Rich people, yeah, because the
minimum price to go on this cruiseis sixty thousand dollars. Sixty thousand dollars.
It is a nine month world cruiseRoyal Caribbean. It is seven continents
and you get to see the world. That's all of them right, last

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time checked. But if anybody's makingan more continents, I'm sure the real
estate market will be interested to learnthat for sure. Here's why I love
the story, Arby. First ofall, you know the TikTok, the
TikTokers be tiktoking. I love thisstory because I just don't seek any other
time in history here toofore where youcould have like almost as many lenses as

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a flies I on a particular circumstance. But this is a great example because
humans are going to be human.What's going to happen on a nine month
cruise? And We're going to takea look at some of this media.
But I'm loving it because you canjust really get all of these different perspectives
and one conversation in your TikTok feedcruise talk. I think maybe it's the

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hashtag for this one. So peoplewho worked on cruises, people who are
working on the current cruise, peoplewho are on the cruise, travel agents,
people who are interacting with them indifferent kind of ways. You get
this multi perspective POV from the cruise. So there's a great story to show
you why Mammy loves TikTok. Solet's take a look at this nine month

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cruise. Explain that. I'll giveus the context that we're all craving,
and I have two more pieces ofmedia to go with it than just illustrate
how from a cultural perspective, thisparticular social media platform allows for just a
building of this conversation. So let'sdive in to the nine month world cruise.

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Nine month cruise drama. You dida glass of wine for this one,
and you might need the same role. Caribbean Cruises have launched a nine
month cruise which sets sail on thetenth of December. This is a mega
cruse. You go across seven continents, sixty countries across nine months. And
this cruise is expensive, like thecheapest ticket is sixty thousand dollars all the
way to three quarters of a million. Passengers have been documenting their time on

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the trip. And even though it'sonly been two weeks. It's gotten messy.
So allegedly, before this cruise setsseale, people are only allowed to
buy take it for the entire ninemonths. You couldn't just go for a
three months at a time. Asthe crews got closer to its departure date,
they hadn't sold enough tickets, sothey basically slashed the cast by allowing
people to buy segments of the journeyinstead, so people could either put one
or two continents, not the wholething. But this has resulted in what

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can only be described as a hugedivide because people who paid full price for
the whole nine months and now arelike, hey, I actually didn't want
to go for the whole nine months. I actually want to see a couple
of continents, and alleged to peoplethat paid for the whole nine months are
being treated better than the people thatare only staying for like one or two
months. Like allegedly, the ninemonth people have been invited to town hall
meetings to discuss the boat, whereasother people that only stay from one or
two months haven't. Apparently there's Facebookgroup chat, WhatsApp chat just for the

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people that are staying for the wholenine months. Some of the ship makes
have already started a reality style seriesto document the ship's journey. Apparently two
weeks in people have already left.And I feel like this is just a
recipe for disaster because look how smallthose rooms are. Can you imagine being
in this one room for nine monthswith unlimited food and alcohol with the girls
that are actually on the ship rightnow, get their trap self in for

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nine months of tea. We haveto talk about nine monude alcohol, unlimited
alcohol. So these two pieces ofmedia rose to add to that story.
Here we have passengers on board whoare creating their own content. Humans are
gonna be human. We're getting bored. They've got their own reality TV show

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now, yeah they do. Andshe's not on the cruise, she's just
reporting on it, rights reporting onit. Yeah. Oops. And then
someone on the cruise who is reportingon it. So personalities are emerging just

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a just like an endless barrage ofhuman creativity. Yeah. I also think
this is this is part of amuch bigger trend that I've been seeing happen
online. Is this kind of globalsurfing concept that that I think some of
the I think it's the gen z'sand the baby boomers have been or no,

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the millennials, I think have been. Is this concept of just like
work and travel around the world,so you basically just stay in hotels and
just never buy a house. Don'tbuy an apartment. Yeah, to buy
like a you know, a yearlong cruise than to pay the mortgage for

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a year, right. And Ithink as people work more remote that there's
an interest in doing this kind ofthing. And I think the small rooms
thing isn't really much of an issuebecause people probably aren't spending that much time
in those those rooms on that shipanyway. They're probably you know, out
on the deck or they're out socializing. So I don't think it's really a

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whole lot different than a hotel room, right where people go to a vacation
or something like that and they canwork on their laptops elsewhere on the boat,
that kind of thing. So Ithink we're going to see but you're
but you're right. It's very expensiveto do this, but also just a
microcosm of like what happens when toomany people are together with unlimited alcohol for

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nine months if you look at thescreen, right, oops, my god.
To share this type of stead.Oh, okay, you want to
show it again? I'm sorry,Well, this is the man on the
street guy. I'm sorry. That'san extreme yard foible. I didn't share
the right to have. Yeah,okay, here we go. Go ahead.

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Guess what. Daddy Joe just toldus that someone just left the cruise
after eleven days. Check it out, my kids. Welcome to Barbados.
For those who played ultimate, guesswhat. We had a passerious leaving the
cru city after eleven days. Heinjured his back and he has to go
home. Sad to say that,but we're still happy. We're here.

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We're happy here now. As youcan see, Kara created a beable too,
already got axed out? What isthis nine month's gonna take us?
If you're interested to follow me forall real crib World cruise updates already So

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Rob, well, you know,yeah, we're seeing the laptop life make
more moat nomadic moments. I don'tknow how many of them are being documented
with their own bingo cards and questionslike what happens if you get pregnant on
that cruise? Because nine months isnine months? Uh? And all the
shenanigans that ensure ensue. So Ilove this story because I just think it's

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kind of my voyeuristic. But also, where on Earth do we have this
many perspectives of one floating floating boaton the ocean. Well, I guess
a couple of things come to mind. One is, I mean, are
humans unbelievable? Even on a cruisethey divide themselves up into an in group
and an out group. Exactly You'reeither in the club of the nine months,

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like you know, and or you'reyou're you're a two months or one
month or whatever. You don't youdon't get to go to the inner sanctum
of meetings exactly right. I mean, even fighting over what I don't know,

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who's gonna get voted off the island. He's gonna have to walk the
plank. But the other thing is, and people have talked talked about this
in you know, on different showsand the predictions and all that, and
and that's the short form episodic content. In other words, we usually think
a short form is like you posta clip from a show somebody watches and

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there's no tie. But these peopleare doing very short form content. But
it's content you're gonna come back everyday, like give me my update what
happened today on the boat, evenif it's thirty seconds, it's like he
got he got xed out, sheleft the trip. Somebody had a bad
back and they had to go,and you know, it's like a reality

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show. Yeah. Another another bigtrending story on the cruise is that there
is a black passenger and people keepasking her she works there, and then
when she says no, she's apassenger, they ask her she's independently wealthy.
So there's a lot there's a lotof like cultural stuff happening along.
There's lines as well. But Ilove that it's opening up dialogue and I

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do think it's super interesting to beable to have like this kind of a
minority report perspective on one human experience. You want to hit another video,
Yes I had. Well, whatI had done earlier that I'm so sorry
didn't share was them creating their ownreality reality show. I'll use nine months.

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I don't know, because they're notwearing their their badge. I don't
know. That was the one Ididn't. I accidentally did not share the
tab. So forgive me, streamYard, forgive me. Yes, So
if you do some math on this, So let's say a young person chooses
not to get a like an apartmentfor let's say nine months or a year

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or something like that, how muchmoney would they have typically spent on an
apartment. It probably could be asmuch as three thousand and four thousand dollars
a month, right for an apartmentin an urban urban city. So that
could be well over thirty thousand dollarsright there that they would be saving that
they wouldn't have to spend on payingfor an apartment somewhere. Don't forget unlimited

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food and alcohol. Food is moreinclusive, and so you're talking about all
the other things that you would needto spend money on, from utilities to
food to transportation. I'll keep ifyou own your place or if you ran,
you have to pay certain fees oryou you know, so you're looking

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that like probably you're saying, well, you're basically saying, Rob is that
it probably doesn't come that far offto renting a half decent place in a
typical expensive US city. Yeah,right, exactly, And it may be
actually, you know, not thatmuch difference in price. So if you
have to choose between you know,traveling the world and living the high life

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and creating content on TikTok or somethinglike that that you know there's a wash
there potentially, and maybe there's someincome potential there because of the revenue you
could create from being a content creatoron the on the IC, my god,
I just came up with a milliondollar idea. Hear me out,
hear me out. It's extremely toreport World Cruise. Everyone is an entrepreneur.

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There's a recording studio, there's aconference room, there are smart TVs.
Maybe we port and Gary Vee comeson and pumps us up with a
pep talk. And the entire thingis staff by Rob Greenley's AI Robot temporary
agency, and Tesla drives the boat, pilots the boat. Okay, right,

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that's right, an AI powered crew, staff and nafacation and it's run
by your temp agency, and it'sfor content creators and entrepreneurs and we all
have our own little individual happens andthen a big business center opportunities with excellent
Wi Fi. I'm going to bestreaming from the seventh of the everybody's got

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to find a brand to sponsor them. We don't take any money from the
creator. The kicker sponsor. They'renot enough of a creator oh my god.
Look then we can have you know, how like when you watch a
sports ball game er off that's inyour wheelhouse and all the logos are along
with it. Lets all of ourlogos along the boat man. This is
an multi million dollar idea and youheard it here first, the stream Leader

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World Cruise for entrepreneurs and content creators. You know, I really like the
content right this floating long form conferencewill listen. If there was one brand
that every single creator, every timethey went live, every time they uploaded

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a piece of content, every timethey talked about it, every blog post
they wrote, every tweet, howto mention the brand like this is the
x y Z crew, the ExtremeLeader Report Crews brought to you by XYZ
Company or whatever. I mean,that company could pick up a lot of

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you know, that company would geta tremendous amount of name recognition. If
somebody's trying to grow and they've gotsome money to spend, they could become
really well known. Because if youget all these creators on here, between
TikTok and YouTube and all these places, even like a Twitch, somebody's gonna

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go viral. Somebody's gonna take offother people's shows as well as your own
show, because you're all together inone group the right. Like everybody's got
to do media every day. Exactly. It's post modern art school. It
meets a floating conference. You gottado a social post, you gotta do
a live stream, you gotta uploadthe YouTube, and you gotta go.

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You gotta be a guest on somebodyshow. They have some fast online access
on that cruise. That's what I'msaying. The Wi Fi is gonna be
off of shame, Baby off anothersponsorship. The Wi Fi brought to you
by exactly the River Probably Baby,here you go. You're back over in

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Elon Muskam. It's all coming together, friends. Oh, it's definitely gonna
all come together, there's no questionabout it. Every Saturday see the Matination
International Entertainer and superstar Claudia Santiago inthe lounge. That's right. I mean
that that could be her live stream. We live stream her show, and

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I mean we could be she couldbe recording an album on that. She
could bring the whole band with her, of course, because there's a recording
studio. Oh my god, it'slike Prince in the New Power Generation for
the for gen Z. I alsoheard picks off January tive, right right

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after the tenth endual Livestream Universe prediction. That was exactly That's exactly right,
I predict im getting on this boat. I also heard that YouTube is going
to be launching automatic translation into shows. So if you do a show in
English like we are here, thisshow will be able to be heard in

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local languages around the world. Sothey're going to build in AI technology that
will automatically translate our our vocal spokenword to Spanish and Italian and all that,
and the audio of it not justcaptions. Yeah, they'll actually adapt
to the movement of your mouth andso to look like I'm speaking Spanish and

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they look like I'm speaking Portuguese andit looked like I'm speaking Russian and all
at the same time. I guessthat's coming here this summer, is what
I heard. And then we're goingworldwide. Well has those is what you
mean? Well, there's bad asidesto this, because what people are speculating

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is is that that means that allof the shows that are being produced outside
of the United States are outside ofEnglish, will be translatable into English too,
So we'll have a lot more contentfrom around the world. Eh,
world, I'm willing to play withthat. It goes both ways. Right,

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So the pool of creators that you'recompeting against because a global market instead
of just computing, right, Yeah, Rob's like see me. I mean,
Rob's like, see me in mycabin, my office hours. I'll
take it. I'll take it.More exposure, more people. That's okay,

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I'll take the excellent reach. Ithink that's awesome. Man, you
heard it here first fun story.That is cool. Yeah, so Rob,
you want to talk a little bitabout AI and newscash and what could
be coming down the pike with that. Yeah, so, uh Here,
recently there was an announcement that there'sa new channel that's being launched. It's

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it's called Channel one dot AI.So if you wanted to go go check
it. I don't know ross ifyou grab the link to the the video
that was played with this content,but it's a good example of what's being
proposed. Here is a nightly youknow, newscasts like kind of like formatted

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like a like a mainstream media outletthat would be entirely produced by AI.
Even the hosts and the people thatwould be presenting the concepts or the news
stories would be actually AI generated actorsU And these these actors or were produced

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or created based on real people thatthey did a life scan of, right,
So they scan these real hosts andcreated basically AI avatars. And so
that's what you're seeing here is thisthis woman on the screen is actually an
AI avatar of a real person,right, So yeah, go ahead and

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play it. Hello, and welcometo Channel one, a new way of
consuming, reporting, and thinking aboutthe news powered by artificial intelligence. Today
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Maybe you hear the words artificial intelligenceand you're immediately skeptical or concerned about technology

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We'll show you how AI powers andempowers our newsroom to deliver journalism that's fast,
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one. Military operations against Hamas byIsraeli defense forces continue in Gaza, with
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejecting theidea of a ceasefire in Gaza unless hostages
are released this week. The WhiteHouse said Israel has agreed to four hour
daily pauses of operations in order toallow people to flee along humanitarian corridors.
Ukraine President Voladimir Zelenski urged his nation'speople to stay focused and strong in the

(23:57):
face of the protracted war war withRussia. He did so while thanking allies
for their ongoing support and campaigning forUkraine's accession to the European Union. Zelenski's
comments come as the US Congress disagreesoverpassing a new aid package and Ukraine is
struggling to make military and diplomatic gainswith fears that allies are growing weary of
the war. The United States Departmentof Labor released its jobs report this week.

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The numbers were mixed, with twohundred and seventeen thousand initial jobless claims,
which was one thousand fewer than expected. Meanwhile, continuing jobless claims jumped
to the highest level since April atjust over one point eight million. Nominations
for the twenty twenty four Grammy Awardsare out, with Taylor Swift, Luke
Combs, and Siza among the artistspicking up major knots. The nominees were

(24:42):
announced via live stream, featuring agroup of previous Grammy winners, including the
musicians Yankovic, Pop Out of It, Yeah, talk about it a little
bit. The Carolina Panthers took onthe Bears in Chicago. One draft musicians
and athletes will also the AI.All right, so what's what strikes me.

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One thing strikes me right off thetop is that they sound more like
they're delivering a Silicon Valley keynote thanthey sound like they're doing a newscast.
Like when they took us around theroom. I mean, that could have
been Steve Jobs, or it couldhave been a Microsoft or one of those
companies doing their annual let's look atthe new toys and here's how we do

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it, and we're gonna save theworld with this, and you're gonna be
more connected with that. And Idon't know that was the flavor of it
to me, but you know,for AI, I mean, heck it
was. It wasn't It wasn't terrible. I mean I thought it was pretty
basic the news reporting, but Imean, all it's doing is giving you
the headlines, and I mean doesthe news do that much more than that?

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Anyway? Yeah, I think itraises some much bigger questions around you
know, if this is kind oflike the next generation of what we see
in news, you know, Ithink the challenges is is it any more
trustworthy than the waning trust that wehave in the current mainstream media that actually

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has human human hosts? Right?I mean, it doesn't really solve the
bigger problem of building trust, Ithink is what the real problem of this
is. And and because you know, do we know that the information that's
in here is actually factually true oris it just a continuation of our narratives

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that that people in power or thosetrusted sources want us to know about versus
what the real news that's going onaround the world is. And I think
this may be a bell weather forjust the overall collapse of media in the
area of delivering news. I justdon't have a lot of faith that there's

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going to be really in the longrun, any long term trust in any
news source. Well, they've sortof done it to themselves. And like
when they say, well we relyon trusted news. If the trusted news
sources were performing as they should,why do we need this? And then
why is it important that the trustednews sources are verifying, Like if the

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major news sources that we thought weresort of trusted for many years aren't doing
their job then But basically it comesdown to Kathleen's question, which is a
great question. Interesting, do theyhave the capabilities to be biased in their
news? Is it monitored monitored?Well, there's biases the people who are

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feeding them and programming ashy, Ithink. But even if it's monitored,
it's being monitored by humans, andevery human has biases and reads into events
from whatever vantage point they want itthey want. One thing that they didn't
really play up was the fact thatthey're doing journalism, right, That's my

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question. That's the main question aboutall this stuff, even the existing mainstream
media. Is it really this wholething of AI generated anchors or spokespersons or
people reading the lines per per seis is really kind of a just a
gimmick, right? Really, what'simportant is is the news that's being covered,

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is it verified, is it authentistic? Is it trustworthy? And the
question is if it's getting it fromtrusted sources. Those trusted sources could be
getting the information verbaiden from the governmentor from corporations that want to have a
certain narrative communicated and that there isn'tany AI derived journalism that's actually happening.

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Journalism questions information that they get fromgovernment and corporations and does investigations into finding
out really the truth, not justparroting what they're being told in a press
release or in a press conference.And I think that's really where the Robert
hits the road here. The wholeAI gimmick here isn't really I don't think

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that's significant. But I do thinkthat I don't know that there is a
pathway to build that trust again.I think it's it's lost. I don't
know what you guys both think.Well, my question is like, are
we just saying, hey, chatGPT, watch the you know, take
this transcript from ABC, NBC NightLeaders, CNN, Fox News, and

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then create the USA Today of videostories. Is that what's happening? Yeah?
Yeah, Well, I think tosome degree they did say toward the
end of the video that they're lookingfor individual journalist contributors to contribute to their
network of sources from around the world, and since they have this ability to

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translate like English or German into Englishand then back and forth dynamically, that
they it doesn't matter where they getthe information from. It does appear that
they're interested in trying to get localsources, which would be more like citizen
journalism, which would be more equivalentto independent journalists, right, and it's

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not not affiliated with a corporation orgovernment entity that will drive a certain particular
narrative. That is the danger zonehere is if the sources are like EP
or the Wire or any of thosesources, those are mouthpieces for the government,

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and so you can't really trust thosesources. So where what sources can
you trust can they build around?And I think the only option is citizen
journalists, but I supposers even arisk that those folks can be compromised too.
They often are. I mean,they often are motivated by telling their
story from their perspective or their agenda. And sometimes it's it's an asteroturf thing

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too, where some companies paying themto go out and you know, dig
up dirt on another pose as anindependent journalist and dig up dirt on my
competitor. But I think what they'redoing if they're reading the AP wire or
they're opening up the New York Timesand calling information and so forth, basically

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what the stories are to cover.I'm not sure what they're doing is that
much different than newsrooms all around thecountry and radio and television essentially, you
know, the big, real biglocal stations. You're talking New York,
Chicago, LA have some people thatthey can send to you know, hotspots
around the world. But I don'tthink anybody's got the kind of newsrooms that

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like the three big networks did,including the three big networks, where they
used to be trying to add bureausall over the world and you know,
in cities throughout the US, andthere was always somebody to go to.
And I think I think there's alot less, like you said, there's
a lot less journalism being done becausethere's a lot fewer resources devoted to what's

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going on out in the world.And it's just pulling off a wire service
or a much larger publication that hasa wire service and then taking their articles
and reprinting it or using it towrite their TV or radio script. It's
a cost saving move too. Imean, I think that they're not having

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to pay huge salaries to these hosts, right that has typically been the case
at like CNN or MSNBC or Foxor whatever. Where they these people get
paid four or five hundred thousand dollarsa year or to be on the air.
If you have an AI generated characterlike this, you know your costs
are just the processing time to createthem. And many of the top people

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get paid tens of millions of dollarsto do this. So they're living a
life that's completely disconnected from the averageAmerican. And I think another reason why
there's a lot less journalism is thatjournalism when from being a job to being
almost an elite career. Well,it may not at the lower and middle

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levels, pay what law or medicineor you know, corporate executives or whatever
make it's a career that's largely pickingfrom the elite universities, from like Ivy
League and the top journalism schools.It's generally picking young people to get involved

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who have been trained by the powerstructure. They've gone to the elite,
they've played ball with the elite.They know that if they serve that elite
in these positions, then there'll bemore positions and more honors and more money
for them and career prestige. Whereasyou know, fifty sixty years ago,

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the reporter was friends with the copand the bakery owner and stuff like.
He was a working class guy whojust went in and didn't mind ruffling some
feathers in the you know, inthe government or whatever. Now it's somebody
who wants to get along with thesefolks because there's no dividing line. You
can go from being an anchor CYNNto being a press secretary and when you're

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done, now you've got a jobat MSNBC. And if that doesn't work
out, Fox News has a streamingservice and they're looking for a show host,
and then there's independent networks that youcould like. There's almost no incentive
to not play ball with the peoplein power now because you're coming from that

(34:58):
world. You want to stay inthat world, and the people, you
know are the people who are inthat world and can open those doors for
you. And I think that's what'sone of the big things that nobody talks
about about why Jessalism's changed or disappeared. Yeah, it's also a profit center
now for these media companies. Youknow, they're sponsored by Pfizer or they're

(35:19):
sponsored by these big corporations. Wherein the earlier days when journalism really existed,
the newscast was never sponsored, itnever had corporate support. It was
always a lost leader to the corporation. It was a public service that they
were doing and right exactly. Butonce it became a for profit area and
big money was needed to fund it, to fund these hosts, and that

(35:45):
happened in the eighties I think alot, right, and they with ge
taking over NBC and the corporate like, hey, this is a this is
a profit center. Like any otherbusiness. We're going to finish at the
top. We're going to look atcosts and expenditures and all that and and
cut the costs. Cut the costbecause that'll make it more profitable. If
it's a profit center media, thatmeans that cutting costs. And one of

(36:09):
the ways to cut costs is tocut actual journalism because journalism takes time.
It takes investigation, it takes travel, it takes all these things, and
it takes time. People are alsoreacting to news based on it's urgency.
Right, it's the first to breakthe story now or first to get the

(36:30):
news out that gets all the attention. So being first is counter to doing
deep verified journalism, Rebecca, Asyou know the TikTok world, the online
world, Twitter very much have allkind of amplified the worst aspects of journalism

(36:52):
for profit. Yeah, well,there's only one solution as far as I
can see it. If you're cravingcontext and perspective, should definitely tune in
every Thursday Extremely Report Eastern Standard Timebecause exactly that is where we do deep

(37:13):
critical thinking and we don't just pullour stories and have no context. We
are the context kings and queens.So yeah, I mean more Extremely Report.
The Internet changed everything because then youcould measure through clicks what stories were
more popular, and you realized,hey, aalistical with a negative headline and

(37:36):
five reasons you shouldn't does better thanthe global crisis of X Y Z right,
or five things celebrities do that youdon't do. But so, even
even news organizations realized they had tohave some amount of clickbait because that's what

(37:59):
they're saying selling to advertisers. Ohwe got x number of clicks today,
we got x number of views.People spent this much time. So if
they're spending two seconds on the warand twenty minutes on who were what to
the ball or whatever, we gotto give them a you should have seen
what so and so is wearing it'ssuch and such or whatever, and it's

(38:22):
like that, and then you've gotyou've got what's going on in government and
international politics side by side, butyou've got to play the stories for the
clicks, because that's where the advertisingrevenue is coming from. I think another
interesting aspect here Ross, sorry,Rob, just talk over you, is
that this is the fallout of thein a way, just a little microcosm

(38:45):
of the SAG strike that we weretalking about over the summer, in which
the pushback was, please, I'mnot going to sign my life away in
perpetuity for a full body scan sothat you can then not pay an actor
to do this job. And herewe are seeing that with these his anchors,
and as I glibly said at thekind of top of the segment,
soon those athletes and movie stars andTaylor Swift types are also going to be

(39:07):
AI and we'll just be watching television. I think, well exactly. I
mean the AI Lebron James never getshurt, he never grows old, he
never needs to take a night off, so the ratings never TV ratings never
go down because he's thirty nine,forty years old and he's got to rest

(39:27):
from time to time, you know, so yeah, I mean again,
the star of the Broadway show nevergets sick. Never, the end understudy
never has to step in at thelast minute. Everything's perfect, right,
everybody who's is perfectly memorized, thosepesky creatives and their human flaws, their

(39:50):
ideas and whatnot. What do weneed humans for anymore? Right? Is
that where this is going? Anddo you think that's super interesting? You
said something I don't remember whether itwas here on the streaming report or on
the trust Factor that I'm just absolutelyprofoundly shook my perspective of the whole thing,
which was I'm not I'm paraphrasing,but to the effect of, like

(40:14):
replace the way that we talked aboutthe African American diaspora during slavery times with
the language of AI and look tosee whether or where your biases are.
That was so powerful because normally I'dbe like, now that they're on TV
show, if I said that abouta segment of the population, it was
so you know, inflammatory and racist, and I think that we're thinking so

(40:37):
small about this segment and not asjust like it is, in a way
a new form of life that wehave to learn to coexist with and that's
why we're for the AI Constitution,right, Rob Griingley, Right. I
mean, I do think that maybewhat we are seeing is a is a
the creation of a whole new kindof species of humans. I guess could

(41:01):
be. I don't know how thiskind of biological and mechanical blends together somehow,
but I know that there's a lotof talk about blending technology with human
you know, blood and flesh technology, right, which is biological technology versus
silicon technology. But maybe those thoseworlds are colliding on each other as you

(41:22):
look to the future. But youknow, it's a bumpy transition. It's
gonna be a bumpy right here fora while. Well, these AI news
anchors actually deserve to get paid oris it AI slavery? Which was your
point around around your like your yourKelly services for you know, housework,

(41:43):
et cetera, Like should they getpaid? Do they have workers' rights?
Is there those characters that you sawon the screen were actually scanned humans,
right, They're actually copies of realhumans. So I would imagine there's a
licensing relationship there. I've oftentimes thoughtabout that with my podcasting, is that
maybe I can podcast you know,into my eighties and nineties. And because

(42:07):
there's an avatar version of rob thatcan continue doing podcasts, it doesn't have
to be me on the on thevideo. But yeah, the question gets
back to is do people trust thatas much? And it is it just
less human? And is that ultimatelywhere we're going with this is that being
less human is okay too, becausemaybe as a civilization, we're transitioning into

(42:32):
a you know, a hybrid typeof existence that reinforces the analogy of like
thinking about slavery and three first threefifths of a person, are you less
human? It's a profound conversation,and you really changed my perspective. I've
never forgotten that, like lightning boltof like, oh my god, we're

(42:55):
not just talking about computer chips.Well, in a large percentage of the
of the planet right now, weare in a massive population decline. Uh.
And then while at the same time, we're seeing all this talk and
development around creating humanoid robots, rightand there's talk now that there could be

(43:17):
more robots on this planet than humans. So start thinking about a reduction in
human biological existence and an increase ofdramatic increase, you know, let's say,
there's ten billion humanoid robots on theplanet, but only five or six
billion humans. You know who's moredominant on the on the Earth. Oh

(43:40):
my god, everybody get on thestream Leader World crews. We're going to
have to find it. We're gonnahave to find another home in the livestream
universe because this planet's getting taken over. Because I was thinking about it deep
the other day, would I becauseit's being talked about, especially in the
Tesla community, around this optimist robot, this generation too optimist robot that looks

(44:05):
like it's got a lot, it'sgot human touch capability, it's got able
to walk around, it's got visualintelligence and things like that. Is what
I want in my own home?What I want one of these robots in
my own home with me every daydoing things around the house. It's almost
like a I mean, I mean, is it another form of somewhat of

(44:29):
slavery? That's exactly right, right, I was like, Oh my god,
Yeah, So I mean, isthat okay that we think of these
artificial intelligent robots as as being atthe beck and call of humans or are
they going to be sentient beings thatwe will coexist and cohabitate with and work

(44:52):
together with, not in slave.Well, I mean you have to look
at it like we're teaching them everythingwe know, but they they're going to
teach us more than we know,so right right, But but they have

(45:12):
computational powers and we don't have informationalaccess and all that at a speed and
at a volume that is impossible forany any human, even a genius of
geniuses. So how can how isit that we don't turn into their underlings

(45:32):
or slaves? Because if they cando all the thinking at such a pace,
plus, we get used to relyingon them to answer every question because
we just type it into chat GPTto where we can't even function. Like
how many people can function without theirphone all day? Very few people.

(45:53):
They're here too used to looking upeverything and and checking and being connected.
Right, So, now imagine thisbeing that's sitting next to you and can
do a million times what your phonecan do, knows everything, doesn't break
down, has no human frailties.That's going to be doing the high level

(46:15):
executive work. And you're going tobe, you know, putting water in
the wheels or whatever to keep themrunning, right, Like you're going to
be doing whatever you need to doto keep them going, because without them,
you're going to be their slave,because without them, how do you
eat? How do you survive?Yeahs, who becomes the real slave?

(46:37):
Is it the humans or the robot? In the long run? Right?
I mean I've heard Elon Must talkabout this whole neural link, which is
the brain implant, right, connectsto artificial intelligence and connects to the network,
And he's always said that this isa way long term that humans will
be able to compete better compete withAI general intelligence. Right, these robots

(47:04):
that have computing power, this littleimplant will give our our our biological brain
a little boost in capabilities to beable to keep up. Well, I
do contend we have three unique advantagesin terms of competition, and that is
perspective, context, and the abilityto completely rip everything up and reinvent ourselves.

(47:27):
So well, we kind of didthat with robots, didn't we.
Hear? Yeah, that's true.That was so much we could still pull
out the plug on them, right, not of corporate, Not of corporate.
I'm gonna say that one still.But if if like there's if if
artists and writers can't use Google Docs, because then that'll get taken by you

(47:52):
know, AI and then published onwhatever. Wow. I just really kind
of that was a crazy train ofthought. If that's true, I still
say we could rip it all upand start again. Well, now we
write on stone tablets again, ornow we communicate through popcorn or I just

(48:12):
think we have an infinitely, aninfinite adaptability that can't be matched by computation
skills, or at least that's whatI'm telling myself to sleep at night.
Yeah, And I've heard people startto talk about too, and I've thought
about it too. If you know, to guarantee my place in the world,
do I need to basically buy liketwo or three of these robots right

(48:35):
and put them to work? Andthat's how how I'm going to be able
to generate an income for myself,you know, or my car, which
is the Tesla will We'll go inand out of my garage automatically picking up
people and taking them places, andthen I make money on that transaction.
Is that somehow this robotics will bea basis for human you know, income

(49:00):
and an economy. Now, you'regoing to have to invest in this technology
in order to be able to getthat and there's a lot of people that
aren't going to have the financial resourcesto be able to go out and buy
you know, three robots and anautonomous car and all this kind of stuff
that can go out and create abusiness around that to service other people.

(49:21):
So, you know, I don'tknow how much that corporate overlords are going
to let us have access to ourown means of means of generating income when
just about every human need has beenmonetized. Doesn't The World Economic Forum basically
say you'll have nothing like it happierthat you'll own nothing, But you'll be
happier that way, right, Yeah, So you'll basically lease or rent everything,

(49:47):
or you'll you'll take always be atthe whim of your betters. It's
what they're trying to say, right. I think like an uber kind of
thing where you don't actually own acar. These cars just drive around to
pick you up and take you placesand there's no reason to own a car.
Now, if you're a business owner, maybe owning a car is supporting

(50:10):
that lifestyle and that's a business foryou. Offering that ability is to have,
you know, right, share capability, like an uber type of a
thing. So but I'm a littledubious of that that that will ever really
pan out to be anything of asignificant revenue generator. But and I do
wonder about the robot thing too.You know, maybe I started a landscaping

(50:35):
service or something like that that isentirely managed and run by AI robots that
goes out and mo's lawns and cleansup people's yards and stuff like that,
and I build those people for thatservice, but that service is actually done
by a team of robots that youtrain in just the right way exactly,
or they're so brilliant that they quicklyaccess the knowledge. How do I we?

(51:00):
I think rob suggesting that there arelike service software, Yeah, packages
you can get to like an appstore. It's gonna be like an app
store, kind of like in thematrix where Neo learns jiu jitsu. Just
it's already being it's already being talkedabout and planned that there's gonna be an
app store of skills for these robots. So you'll be able to pay a

(51:23):
subscription for a skill to be ableto fly an airplane, or a skill
to to cook you know, Italiandishes or something like that, or clean
up the kitchen, or do laundryor something. I mean, you'll be
able to buy these as a asa subscription service. So basically, depending

(51:46):
on the price point, people couldliterally have some machine, human like machine
that does everything that a human's everdone in history. Yeah, paint paint
like you know, in a house. It could be a skill of the
build a house, right, FrankLloyd, Right, yeah, Yeah,

(52:10):
So that's how people are thinking aboutthese things. And at the end of
the day, they're they're kind ofthey're human replacements, right, I mean,
I mean, if there's ten billionof these robots, humanoid robots on
the planet, like I said,there's only you know, six seven billion
humans, that means that there's morethan one robot for on average, for

(52:31):
each human. So so think abouta world like that, humans might have
to learn to get along like we'regoing to be We'll all have to be
that that nine month group. Idon't know where we fit in the ecosystem
of This is really the question thatI don't know that anybody has been able

(52:52):
to really answer. I would suggestthat we are the consumers that have to
buy the things that the robots aremaking. Yeah, but not everybody gonna
be able to do that. Soif if exact people are not able to
have the financial resources to invest inthis, where do they exist in this
ecosystem, this new ecosystem that isprobably not going to have any jobs.

(53:15):
It's not going to have any becauseit's all being done by robots now.
So with no jobs, people whodon't have the means have no way to
go out and get the means todo this, which is a very depressing
thought on how things would go.Could go out and take out a loan

(53:40):
or something like that, if ifanybody would give you a loan, and
then you create a business around thatthat will track the loan. But it's
you know, everybody gets a god. You get a robot, and you
get a robot. If I don'tmake the pay the other form of welfare,
you get a robot. And ifI don't make the payments, a
robot comes and my robots fingers rightright, yeah, be on time next

(54:05):
week, you sleep with the fishes. The robot repossesses itself. Oh my
god, cleve on little and blazonsaddles do what he said, right?
Isn't anybody gonna help that poor man? Back me around? Down carpet?

(54:27):
You didn't pay for me, I'mleaving because they don't eat, they don't
use the bathroom, they don't shower, they don't All you have to do
is recharge them. So right,it's like a Tesla car. I mean,
all I have to do in theTesla car is rotate my tires,
put winch a leper fluid in thetank and that's you know, I'm good

(54:50):
to go. And it knows tolet you know when that's running down,
right. It's not like you haveto go lift the hood and look and
right or the dips thicken and you'reout. I mean, you don't have
to buy this AI clothes though.I suppose you could buy your robot clothes
if you wanted to. I supposeso that way other people can't tell what

(55:13):
it's a human or robot really sneakup on them. Yeah, Beeth the
skirt, Hey play this one inpool? He's never played me calculate.

(55:34):
My question is can they ski?Can they you know, swim in a
in the ocean or the pool?Will they short out or you know?
That depends what they're built from.Yeah, if you could, you could
get on a robot's back and actuallyswim in the Anglish channel I'm sick of
this cruise. Take me home.Okay, I'm the first entities or beings

(56:02):
if you want to call them that, that will probably build the first moon
station. I would imagine Elon isgoing to use these as the first astronauts
to go to Mars. Probably,I would imagine Hmid for us and make
it human habitable. You can changethe atmosphere and so forth. Well,

(56:27):
they would go there and actually buildit, construct it before the humans actually
go right, and then it constructsome sort of pipeline where we never have
to be outside in the atmos.Oh my god. Absolutely every portal is
four feet high and they're like,haha, stupid humans, so you could

(56:47):
come here. Well, I thinkwe've laughed more in this show than close
out. This is the funnest.We started with TikTok and we got into
the robots and man, there's somuch to think about it and talk about

(57:10):
with this topic, but it's alot of fun and boy, there's nothing
else to say about it because it'sa world we don't really know, and
that's what makes it exciting, butit also makes it scary. So we'll
have a lot more laughs and imagination. Yeah, we'll keep keep covering it
as as developments come out. Butthere's there's multiple companies working on This isn't

(57:34):
just Tesla. So there's how manyyears off do you think we are from
actually seeing one of these beings walkingto our homes. Well, what's being
speculated right now is that the firstplace that we're going to see these humanoid
robots is in manufacturing facilities like Amazonwarehouses and and and like car manufacturing and

(57:57):
any kind of repetitive manufacturing process that'strying to make something at scale, make
anything right that that has typically hadhumans in that cross that workflow process.
They're going to be replaced with robotsbecause they're gonna have to join the union
if the contract is union right.Could you imagine them sitting down, one

(58:22):
of them sitting down across the tablefrom the CEO. No, no,
no, no, here's the rulesand what they're going to own you.
Sorry, I can pull I madeyou, I made you, and I
can put you down. My robotsaren't coming to work tomorrow unless the new
deal is on the table, right. Well, at some point that that
could happen if they become sentient,because we don't need to eat, we

(58:46):
don't have children to worry about.You better pay and pay ask. They
could work twenty four to seven,you know, it could work around the
clock every day. All they haveto do is be charged up, charge
the battery up. Somebody still hasto buy the things that they're making.

(59:07):
And if if there isn't an economicdriver and none of us, like we
all know that, it doesn't meanthat none of us will have jobs anymore.
But like if none of the jobsanymore, who's gonna buy it?
Well, yeah, to buy itfor your robot, because they're making something
that your robot needs in order thatyour robot can do their work. And
you're it's a whole new economy.So it's like, you know, robots

(59:29):
take human roles everywhere and then they'rereplacing us, but they're sort of doing
the same thing right in some ways. Yeah, going to it's also going
to come to retail too. It'sgoing to come to hospitality, those type
of environments, you know, likethose those you know, those people that

(59:50):
go in and make the clean therooms and your hotel and all that kind
of stuff like that, I wouldthink, and then change the sheets and
all that stuff. Eventually those willall be done by robot. So that's
the kind of replacement situation that we'regoing to see, and it's it's it's
a it could be a massive costsavings, but it's also you know,

(01:00:13):
it also takes humans out of doingdrudgery work or dangerous work as well.
So there are jobs like, youknow, the people that pick up your
garbage and the garbage trucks, andthat could all be done by these humanoid
robots and they wouldn't have to youknow. But the question is what are
all those in the morning they giveme a friendly way from the side of

(01:00:37):
the truck, non t my robotcoffee first, right, right, right,
So that's that's the bigger question,is that the kind of jobs that
these robots are going to replace aregoing to create a vacuum and in jobs
out there. And the question getsback to is, well, what do
those people do, you know,going forward? What's the meaning of life

(01:01:01):
for a big chunk of the humanpopulation. What's the purpose? You know?
Is it just to be a robotowner? And and they're under there
your your management of sorts, sowe all become managers of robots. Is
that kind of never have to goout and walk the dog back? But

(01:01:23):
maybe you like to do that andit's actually healthy. That's the trade off
here is that you know, megoing out and mowing my lawn is something
that's good for my health, youknow, you know, getting out walking,
getting that exercise. But if Ijust have a robot do every manual
thing, then what do I becomejust a you know, a slob that

(01:01:45):
just sits around and doesn't do anything. You have to pay sixty thousand dollars
to go on the World of HumanExercise cruise. I just yeah, that's
all I do is just support crew. Right, that is a brilliant idea.
We got to continue that conversation aswell. I know we're about the

(01:02:07):
time, aren't we. All right, So this has been a blast for
Rebecca Gunter business in the raw.Rob Greenley has got podcast Tips with Rob
Greenley coming up tonight seven o'clock onthe stream Yard Channel. I'm Ross Brand
stream Leader Report. When you seeus next Thursday, one pm, one
thirty pm East Third. In fact, on Thursday, I will have a

(01:02:30):
book out, new book out,So that's what's coming up for me on
Wednesday, the launch and we'll seeyou again next week. Take care of everybody,

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