ChatGPT vs Creativity | Panel (Ep29) - StreamLeader Report with Ross Brand

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So if you heard about the newdiet recommended by the UN We're not gonna
talk about that first because it's anot that appetizing, but we are going
to get to it. But thefirst topic we're gonna do, we're gonna
talk about creativity. Is chat CHPTVenemy of creativity or does it have a

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place with, alongside or within creativity? Will debate that. Also, Canada
continuing to negotiate reach agreements with majorsocial platforms regarding news and perhaps we'll have
an update on YouTube and podcasting aswell. It's all coming up next on

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The stream Leader Report. Rebecca,what are we gonna do now? I
believe you said let's do a show, Well, let's do a stream Leader
Report live panel creators talking to creators, graw, real, pen scripted and
sometimes they see the quiet part outloud. Cure your hosts Claudia Santiago,

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Rebecca Gunter, Rob Greenley, andRoss Brand. Episode twenty nine of The
stream Leader Report. This is thelive panel edition that we do every Thursday

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one thirty pm Eastern with Rebecca Gunterfrom Business in the Raw, Claudia Santiago,
Viva La Stage, and Rob Greenley. Podcast Tips with Rob Greenley.
I'm Ross Brand. The show isthe stream Leader Report. It's great to
have you with us. We've gota lot of hot topics today. We're

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gonna start with chat GPT and whatis its relationship to creativity. A musician
named Nick Cave wrote an answer toa question from a couple people about chat
GPT and creativity, and he hadstrong opinions. And we're going to play

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that a little bit of it fromStephen Fry reading it, and then we'll
get into a discussion. Would loveto hear your thoughts in the chat as
well. Why bother with the artisticprocess and its accompanying trials. Why shouldn't
we make it faster and easier.When the God of the Bible looked down

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upon what he had created, hedid so with a sense of accomplishment and
saw that it was good. Itwas good because it required something of his
own self, and his struggle imbuedcreation with a moral imperative. In short,
love, Charlie, even though thecreative act requires considerable effort, in

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the end, you will be contributingto the vast network of love that supports
human existence. There are all sortsof temptations in this world that will eat
away at your creative spirit, butnone more fiendish than that boundless machine of
artistic demoralization chat GPT. As humans, we so often feel helpless, all

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right. So that's a taste ofStephen Fryer reading a letter from musician Nick
Cave basically positing, I guess youcould say chat GPT as the enemy of
creativity, of love, of allthings good with the human spirit, and

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chat GPT is the greatest killer ofall that to ever come along. What
say you? I think that thepoint that he makes, which comes a
little bit later in the clip,is so beautiful. Not that chat GPT
is, you know, this likenefarious enterprise, like a cloud overall humanity,

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which we do talk about it likethat, but that what it does
is it just dismisses the amount ofhuman kind of angst or CONTRAVERTI it does
take something of yourself to be creative. And there's a the argument is that

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chat GPT just basically flattens that playingfield and dismisses like that didn't take any
effort. I did it in threeseconds. And the more that that becomes
like antiseptic and you know, reallyjust kind of flattened to its space,
is takes and extracts the value outof it. And I think that that

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can feel like a you know,like a chicken little scenario r being like,
oh, the sky's falling and whereis it all? And I love
this clip because at the end ofit, I felt such a powerful,
palatable hope for humanity in that Ijust remembered, I went ba, I

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leaned back on my old anthropological roots, and I remembered that human beings are
so tenacious and they'll reinvent themselves ina dime. Like if in this world,
if if chat if Ai and chatGPT flatten everything and just extract all
the value out of the contributions ofhumanity that go into being creative. I

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can't help but wonder if we're justgonna invent a new language, stop entering
things on a computer, reinvent theway art is become absurdist. I just
I felt hopeful about it for thefirst time after this, because I feel
like we're not giving human beings enoughcredit to just completely reinvent everything, rip

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it up, start again. SoI feel hopeful with this piece. Claudia,
do you think songwriters will just turnto chat GPT not worry about lyrics
and eventually not even worry about comingup with original music. Well listen,
I mean, you know they haveAI people on stage right, so it's

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not far off. I wouldn't doubtit if some do. Now, record
labels have positioned themselves to both havea business where it's artists in the flesh
and blood, and also a businesswhere it's chat GPTAI. So those huge
corporations are sitting up for I think, not just too business models, but

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many business models. I mean,look at look at Taylor Swift who couldn't
even buy her own songs back froma label. So what does she do
is she redid her tunds and rerecorded, re released. So yeah,
I mean, I got a lotof thoughts on this one, but I'll
I'll rotate the ball over to yourcart for a minute, but I do

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have to I'm actually gonna you know, I noticed something on my set here,
so I'm just gonna go grab it. But keep talking to you guys,
and and then I'll pipe in again. Rob, you must see a
good side of this, with allthe things that creators have to do that
aren't necessarily that creative. Yeah,it's it's a very complicated subject. I

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think he raises from the standpoint of, you know, what is the role
of humans in this process versus thisemergence of this new intelligence. You know,
I think that this new intelligence hasa place in the world too,
that's carving its own out there,and I think it's up to us to

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decide, you know, how muchof our human creativity, our uniqueness that
we want to put out there too, maybe in combination with it. But
I think that the creativity side ofit is an important point, you know.
I think humans have a creative elementto them, and certain humans have

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more creative abilities in certain areas thanother humans do, so so you kind
of could look at AI as away to I think what was alluded to
a little bit is a little bitof leveling the playing field, is that
people that maybe don't have as muchcreativity in a certain area can use AI
to basically improve what they're doing.But I've also seen that AI around creativity

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isn't always able to express the humaninterest in what that generates. So that's
that's the thing. I think it'sbecoming its own thing, right, and
for us to think that it's goingto replace us, it's probably the wrong

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way to look at it. Itmaybe is an augmentation of humanity for those
that maybe have weaknesses, that needto have skills in certain areas to accomplish
something, but it's not a replacementfor Claudia's ability to create music. It

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you know, she might be ableto generate more music, but that's probably
if you look at the long term. There's an interest in what's called watermarking
content that's created by AI technology,increasingly on the video side, and I
would think on the image side becauseit does get back to copyright at the

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end of the day. I don'tknow that this issue has been settled yet.
You know, there may be thingsthat Claudia or myself or ross you
create in the future that is AIgenerated, but that may be a different
perceived in the market. Is somethingdifferent than what you create yourself with a

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video camera versus doing a chat GPTquery. So so that's kind of how
I look at it too. Idon't you know, there may come a
time with superintelligence that this this beingthat we've created with AI, and this
is the more general intelligence kind oftakes its own sentient existence and takes its

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place right next to us. Yeah, I think right now, there's some
limits to what chat GPT can doin terms of creativity. It can at
times, not always, but attimes it will give you a very accurate,
by the book answer to a questionor a query right, and you

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can go down the bullet points andgo, hmmm, those are all correct.
But it's also somewhat generic. Itdoesn't have my experiences, my personality
and such in it, and Ithink what might happen? So let me
say it this way. It's nota replacement for the higher level art art.

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It can't do great art where it'sgoing to probably take things that are
I don't want to say lower levelart, but like non essential things to
the human creative spirit, like adaily newsletter listing bullet points of things going

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on that day or whatever, andit's gonna make those faster and not as
interesting as they had been. Justas in since automations come along, most
people's Twitter feeds or x feed arenowhere near as interesting as they were seven
years ago or eight years ago.Now somebody's live video or Twitter space is

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every bit is creative or interesting orpassionate or personal as it's ever been.
But in terms of the daily tweetsthat people are scheduling. Yeah, they're
far less interesting, far less likelyto be read, often generated by you
know, some type of automated systemthat you know, grabs three in this

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genre and throws them into a listwith two recycled and whatever. And it's
like okay, okay, so it'snot But how important is that to human
creativity versus those people who are writinglong tweet that threads that are opining on
major issues of the day, orlike I say, people are doing live

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or recorded video podcast spaces things likethat where there still is real creativity and
it's it's probably a higher level skillanyway than than writing a tweet linking to
an article. So you could say, at the at the lesser in it's
not things are something's lost. Buthow important is that versus you know,

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those things that are more bringing moreof us to the table anyway. Yeah,
So again I think the message ofpositivity is like leaning in on that
essential human creativity and embracing that ratherthan being scared of what's on the horizon.
Just like you know, I'm thevery simple. I know the difference

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between a sandwich bread out of abag and homemade bread even though, like
the fact you walk by the factoryand it's like, oh my god,
it smells so amazing, and sometimesit's fine, and sometimes I want homemade
bread. So, you know,feeling really positive about the whole thing because
I think our level of discernment iskeener than we give it credit, and
our ability to pivot is more adeptthan we're giving us credit. So well,

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I think just a follow up onthat real quick, like, I
think our mass produced bread is nowherenear the quality of the bread you would
get in the store thirty years ago. But you are to make yourself right.
But your home cooked meal can beevery bit as interesting and creative and

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delicious as it ever was and freshand healthy, you know, if you
have the writing. So like,yeah, I think there's that economy going
on right now and throughout society wherethings have become very easy. Quality has
sort of gone down in a lotof ways because we can create them in

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bulk, at scale, fast,using inexpensive products, not having the human
care put into them. But atthe again, at the higher level,
you know, I think, youknow, the home cooked meal is still
a wonderful thing. Yeah, Ifeel like the dialogue is really around oh
my god, we will only everhave bread sandwich like commercial sandwich bread in

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a bag ever again, and weforget that. Eventually we came back and
embraced the homemade bread. Okay,I'll hold him my shoe up, guys.
So I just realized this was hangingout on my my conga's here.
And you know, I recently justrecorded a video for Expert TV. They're

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doing a summit, and my talkwas on finding your voice and uniquely you
and it had to do with thiswhole topic of AI and technology changing and
possibly over over ruling us and allthis and that. But you know,
it was really encouraging people to diginto their story, who they are,
who they uniquely are. You know, when we broadcast, okay, like

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when people come to my show,they know they're going to get a full
on stage experience. I could usea green screen. Don't get me wrong,
I don't have a problem with greenscreen. In fact, when I
travel sometimes when I'm doing like zoomcalls or whatever, you know, I
throw on the green screen because Idon't want to get the people that are
walking around in public, right.But I don't for my shows because I

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want to bring people into a reallife stage experience and me seeing this right
now, I didn't even plan this, but I want to bring this shoe
out. Okay, so when I'mdoing a performance, I throw this on
there because I have a story.Once upon a time I was so sick,
I was wheelchair bound. I wasdeemed never be able to travel all

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of this. Well, look atthese puppies. I wear these on stage.
These are actual stage shoes. Andlook they're all blingy because I'm doing
Glory step On tribute. So youknow, these travel with me to different
nations, and my story comes intothe thing. So can chat GBT do
that? No? Can A Ido that? No? So what am

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I bringing? I'm bringing something thatis my story, something that's uniquely to
Claudia. I bring a stage thatbrings you a live stage experience. So
what I'm saying with this is whydo I even bother? Why do I
even bother? Because of love?I love my audience, I love humanity.

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I want to connect with their hearts. Whatever I produce, I want
to deliver with love because that's myintent. That's I want to see them
get ahead. I have artists thatwrite me, DM me after shows and
go how do I do this?How do I? You know? So
at the end of the day,I just you know, with all this

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is again, I love what hewas saying in that talk. It is
there is a basis of love there. Otherwise all we're doing is producing whatever.
Anyways, I'm nothing wrong with greenscreens. You know what. There
are ghostwriters. I even done someghostwriting. There are companies that have somebody
else or even large Browns have somebodyelse handle their social Does that make them

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not legit? No, it meansthey're just being efficient. But then I
guess we all have to weigh outat the end of the day as creatives,
as entrepreneurs, is what part ofus and what part of our business
are we going to deliver? Writean original song, Rebecca, write an
original piece versus have GPT, chatGPT do it? Yeah? I think

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it. Maybe it comes back tolike, what is your competitive advantage or
what is your unique spark of geniusthat you can't outsource that chat, GPT
or some third party you know,consultant or whatever is not going to do
for you what you can do toconnect with your own But there are other

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things that we have to do aspart of running a business being a creator
whatever that chat GPT could probably dovery close to like we could live if
it just did it at an industrystandard level, like just did it as
the typical outsourcing company could do itfor you or whatever. That may be

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good enough if it's not your theessential area, so you can do more
of serving the customer if that's yourspecialty, or do more of writing a
new book or hosting a new showor you know, performing or whatever it
is that really separates you. Soin that way, it's sort of a
utility, like a computer has madeit faster versus keeping everything on paper files.

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Yeah, exactly. And you know, I just want to add on
a on a travel visa international likeI'm an international recording artist speaker when I
go into a different country, Okay, and if I'm going to work in
that country, if I'm going todo shows there, if I'm going to
be there for an extended period oftime, I have to prove to that

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company that I am an extraordinary ability. Okay, chat GPT can't do that
for me. There's got to besome credit there. Commercial releases, I
sing in multiple languages, do dodo? Do? Why? Because every
nation is trying to protect their peoplefrom outsiders taking their job. So back

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to writers, songwriters and all thisand that. Okay, if songwriters refer
to chat GPT to write all theirtunes, guess what that's going to limit
a lot of their cred to evenperform in other countries. So I'm just
talking on illegal and here on aon a visa, and on workability in

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other nations. So just saying,I want to bring in a comment from
a great friend, Beauty Bubble,who says, maybe a reason to keep
AI away from our dreams is wherewe are headed when we share our deepest
selves with the wrong people or technologywe live at risk to purpose to pursue
creative endeavors. Let me read thatagain. I don't Maybe a reason to

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keep you Ala from our dreams iswhere we are headed when we share our
deepest selves with the wrong people andor technology we live at risk to pursue
creative endeavors. I would share mydeepest dreams with Beauty Bubble any day.
That's definitely the right person to shareit with. What a supporter of all

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the industries affected by chat GPT,I think that copywriting industry has been one
of the most scared and so behindthe scenes on those conversations where copywriters are
literally freaking out about their ability tocontinue on as a copywriter. In my
real world experience, I have twoclients who actively use chat GPT in addition

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to using me as a copywriter.And at first I was like, oh
boy, But over the last eightmonths they very clearly understand when do they
use ch GPT, which my oneclient calls Becky, and when do you
use Rebecca? And that is showingitself in real time to be a distinction.

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And my hope is that we'll allget that way. So from the
copywriter field where we're all running scared, it's not the end of the world.
Now, have your clients trained chatshept to write in your style or
to use your resources? Well,I mean they do. They have used

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my positioning statements, so which Iwould encourage. I would be curious write
this in the style of re BeccaGunter. I am not threatened by that,
I honestly because from a copyrighting,from a branded copywriting perspective, my
goal is to give you a voicethat you can then you know, bring
in another person to write doesn't alwayshave to be me. So for me,

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I don't have a big ownership overmy style and also at me,
like if you can write like me, I don't know, but I would
be curious if you can train aGPT on my style. It's so quirky.
But maybe I'm in words are words? You're going to take all your
copy that's out there fitted into cheGPT, you know. That's what I'm

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scared of RB. Like I runour Google docs, oh my god,
called stone Fruit GBT, and it'sjust for people who want to turn out
copy that sounds like, Okay,that's a bad idea. Ross, it's
not giving that out to the wordI'm gonna have to go back to the
stone tablet g you know. Ona coaching end too, I just want

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to encourage all coaches out there andthose that have businesses that are in transition.
I'm encountering this. I don't knowif you guys are, but I'm
encountering this. A lot of clientsare scared to death as to where do
I go now, and so allof a sudden, I'm finding I'm delving
in into a lot of mindset coachingand training in tech demystifying, you know,

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getting the fear out of the nextsteps, and some of them are
are scared to death to create withchat GPT for any illegal ramifications down the
road, especially if they're going tobe producing a product and distributing. You
know, there's all those legalities,like how am I going to cross that
road if all of a sudden thechat GPT police comes after it. We

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don't know. All those infrastructures aren'tany not even out there's there's no guidebooks.
So anyways, on a coaching andyou know, I just want to
encourage everybody to step into that mindsetcoaching part piece because it's very important.
Right now. Clients are freaking,not just creators, but your clients.

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They are freaking on many levels andso but it's a good investment. It's
a good thing to invest in people'smindset. Well, one career that could
be impacted I guess, or isbeing impacted, is that of the influencer
Rebecca. What is going on withAI models. We were having conversations of

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hope and executing human creativity. Thisis such an interesting article to me on
so many levels. But an agency, Gosh, John Ross, I think
this is in South America. Maybetake a look. Here was of Spanish.
Here we are. A Spanish modelingagency has created the very first AI

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influencer who's earning eleven thousand dollars amonth. She is twenty five years old,
she has pink. She is putinto all kinds of scenarios that a
typical product model would be and boy, she's not mouthy, she's not hungry,
she doesn't not show up. Thisspecial advertising company has decided that this

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is so much easier to work withthan those pesky human creators because she doesn't
give pushback, not show up,or have creative differences, and she doesn't
have to be paid. And shedoesn't have to be paid. She's described
as a strong and determined woman,a passionate scorpio. Indeed, so let's

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take a look at her picture onemore time. Let's get her up.
Let's get her up there, strongand determined woman. Yeah, thinking eleven
thousand dollars a month in earth andmodeling feats in care all the way.
All right, those pesky humans withtheir with their annoying opinions and their creative

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ideas. But I like my AImodels to have natural hair color. I
kind of was describing this as likemarketing's blow up doll. Just so,
Russ, I, I've screenshared aimage of chat GPT. It's a derivative

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of chat GPT that you can createnow and it's actually like your own personal
chat GPT pot bot that you canshare externally. And how this works is
is that you go in and youtrain this to to focus on a particular

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expertise. Right, So this thisparticular it's called GPT is what they call
it. It's not chat GPT,it's it's a derivative of chat GPT that's
called just GPT. And so thisparticular bot that I created, it's basically
is an expert on stream Yard podcasting. H It's based on information that I

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gave it. And this this chatbox of sorts will guide you on to
how to produce publish a podcast onstream Yard. So it actually has all
of the Q and as all thatstuff that's inside of stream Yard. So
if I go in here and Iclick how do I start a podcast with

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stream Yard? It actually it's apre filled out question that then goes in
and posts that prompt and it generatesthe step by step process of creating a
podcast on Streamyard. So yes,so Rebecca, you really can have your

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own writing, Yeah that want tohave one from my stone tablet, And
it's actually based on information that Ihave given it. So so then it
goes out and looks at the internettoo and pulls in other resources. So
if it has deeper knowledge on onthe podcast hosting platforms or on all sorts

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of stuff, it'll it'll pull allthat stuff into this. But I can
upload documents that I've created based onmy you know, you know, articles,
all this kind of stuff to actuallybuild this thing out. So this
is a capability that's that's available tothose that are subscribers to open AI.

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So it's just an example of howthis platform is extending into what I would
call more kind of smart agents.So really increasingly what we're going to see
happen here is these l l msis what they call these language models,

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are going to ultimately be be somethingthat will help us in our lives to
make decisions in our lives. It'llgo out and do deep research on a
particular if we assign it a particulartask, it'll go out and gather all
the information and give a report backto you. Or it will if you
tell it to go out and takean action. It'll go out and you

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know, like you know, reachout and contact such and such person.
It'll go out and find a pathwayto that person. And if you tell
it to book a call next Thursday, it'll actually send the emails or it'll
send the communications to them to bookthat and then it will book it in
your calendar. So that's kind ofwhere this is. You know, ultimately,

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where some of this stuff is goingis going to be like a helpful
aspect to our lives, not necessarilyreplacing our lives, but making us more
efficient, be able to accomplish morein our lives too, and then also
be able to create separate versions ofof like open AI that will help our
customers or help our users to understandhow to do things in a step by

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step way, and that could behelpful to all of us to increase our
productivity, not as a replacement forhumans, but it enables us to scale
across having an impact on larger numbersof people. So I think over time,
that's where the productivity is going tocome from. So we're going to

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have to be better at managing AItechnology as a subset of this. At
the same time, there's going tobe separate superintelligence AI that's going to operate
completely autonomous of humans, that willwill actually be smarter than any one of
us, because it's a collective mindof sorts, right, that it'll solve,

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you know, global problems. Youknow, I think the big question
is will it destroy the world aspart of its solution or will it you
know, basically come up with answersto things that will be more accurate or
more precise or actually true and lesspropagandized. Right, will super intelligence be

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able to cut through the cloud ofwhat is termed now misinformation to actually analyze
the facts, analyze the data aslong as it has access to that,
and it will come up with solutionsto humanities problems that are based on real
world results and real world data insteadof political agendas, which is what we

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are basing a lot of our societaldecisions on today. And of course,
the places where people go to readthe facts are still what somebody reported,
and some editors sifted through several differentversions and decided this is what I want
to go with. And then lesserjournals took the Stata opinion and amplified it,

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and then it eventually became the consensusand so where does where can chat
GBT go that's outside of the sameecho chambers that we're trying not to have
shape our opinions about what's true andwhat's not true. And I think that's
the challenge because it's still relying onmy website, my LinkedIn, Like,

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I have the ability to shape howI will be perceived out there, And
if I wanted to tell a lie, I could tell it on enough platforms
that as long as nobody's offering anotheropinion and why would they really care about
something that went on in my life? Right? It can be written in
fact. Okay, I'm not doingthat, it doesn't really do me any

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good. But at a at agovernmental level, at a you know,
societal level, you know, alot of fiction can be written in as
fact. If you know, ifthe New York Times says it, or
Encyclopreia Britannica or in it or whatever, then that's going to be the definitive
story that a lot of society isgoing to go through. And a lot

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of the books on a certain topicwill also cite those sources and be considered
the definitive books on those topics.Yeah, I think my big worry is
that AI will be controlled too muchby by humans and that it will be
fed incorrect information and it will makeincorrect judgments based on human biases. Where

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if it is out there with itsown autonomy and its own strength, I
think that there's been a lot ofkind of red flags thrown up saying is
that AI is going to kill usall and it's it's going to get out
of control. But if it's trulysuper intelligent, and it's far more intelligent

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than humans, I actually trust thatoutcome better than having a super intelligent that's
been fed a bunch of human misinformationright or controlled by humans that have an
agenda, you know, like tochime in a little bit in the entertainment
industry, I'm just going to takeit to that industry. As artists,

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we've been controlled by the record labelsfor years, years, years, way
way way way back, way back, and you know, once upon a
time they didn't even let us talkto people directly. They had built up
this thing that looked like an artistwas successful. But on the road,

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the artist is eaten macaroni and cheese, you know, craft dinner every night.
There's no next to no pay,there's you know, but it looks
like they're doing so well, butthere's huge label dollars behind a product.
Okay, so you never got thestraight goods in Hollywood nor music. In

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fact, even publishing houses used toput huge dollars behind a book and it
made a speaker an author look like, whoa, they're doing amazing. But
you know, the minute those salesdecline, or the minute they've they've worn
them out on the road, thaton that media tour, and that that
writer can no longer speak right,they dump them. So really, this

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has been going on for a verylong time. It's just that it looks
a little different now. You know, back back in the sixties, you
could get away with putting a bandout with the same name as a band
that had a hit song. Theylearn how to play that song, and
because very few people actually knew whatthey looked like or even had ever heard

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them play live before, you couldcover half half the South or half the
West. Before you know, oneof the band members accidentally shows up at
a show and discovers that this isgoing on or whatever. And meanwhile,
the people that had the number onehit are making next to no money,
and the people who are pretending tobe them who never had to sign over

(37:20):
half their life to a record labelor whatever. Are taking all the money
from the tour? Yeah yeah,so you know the companies, A corporation
behind a product will position a productin such a way that works for that
corporation to make money, that's thebottom line. And when that thing doesn't
make money anymore, they pull theresources and then you know, off the

(37:44):
grid they go. So again,going back to creatives, what makes this
unique? How are we going tocreate longevity in our careers? How are
we going to be willing to reposition, turn on a die, recreate,
equip those around us so they canalso re create and navigate this huge transition,

(38:05):
which I think is pretty exciting.Yeah. What comes to mind for
me, particularly with rob share,which was really cool to see, Thank
you for bringing that up, isthat you know your thoughts around will this
technology be like kind of solving ina much more like true ground truth way

(38:30):
solving the world's problems. However,unless I don't understand it, we can't
create a new solution that hasn't beendone before, right like chat GBT will
never be able to like invent anew way through something. So if we
need to innovate or if something doesn'twork anymore, that's not a thing that

(38:51):
can help, right, Like newnovel problem solving isn't ever going to be
in the Bailey Wick or do Imiss understand that? I think though new
solutions in part come from looking atold models and selecting a piece from here,

(39:13):
a piece from there, and thenadding some element that nobody thought of
adding to it. So those elementscould be out there already and perhaps they
just weren't mixed in a certain wayor you know the right. It's like
on a team, do you organizethe how you organize your talent. There's

(39:34):
a person who's best at finance workingin finance, and the person who's best
at sales in sales, or doyou have your person who can sell working
in finance because they're okay with numbers, and the person from finance who's a
whiz is out knocking on doors wonderingwhy nothing's getting sold or what right?
So like, sometimes it just maybe reordering the parts or trying something you

(39:55):
haven't tried before. Maybe does thatmake sense? It does? Interesting?
Interesting, interesting topic, you guysalways, But I think one of the
problems and not that the humans alwayshave the most evolved moral sense or whatever.
But can it judge that something maybe a problem, but it's not

(40:16):
a problem that has to be solved, or that the solution is something that's
not within our moral understanding of whatwe could live with or accept or what
wouldn't be horribly cruel or what haveyou. Yeah, emotional intelligence, that's
a good point. Yeah, they'regood. Like, what do we do

(40:39):
with the fact that chat GPT solvedfor me, the fact that like,
none of the kids like this onekid in the class, and chat GPT
goes, well, we killed thatkid in the class, everybody will get
along. Well, true, butyou know that isn't the way we would
go about solving that. Helping kidsget along in the classroom or whatever is

(41:01):
not to eliminate the one kid whobut to teach kids to be tolerant of
that child, or that child thesocial skills to better interact with the peers
or what have you. And sothat's that's kind of a fear that I
have of this thing that like,Okay, solving everything the most efficient way,

(41:22):
isn't solving for the greater good orfor what we really want for humanity?
Well, let's let's let's really thinkabout what what do we think super
intelligence really means? And what ifwe were super intelligent each each one of
us, not just human intelligent,would we choose just to just kill people

(41:45):
to solve problems? I don't.I think that's a lower level of intelligence,
not a higher higher level of intelligenceas a way of solving problems.
Who are we talking about though?Just kidding good? Well, you know
if you think about you know,murderers, who, Right, it's usually

(42:07):
a lower base emotional response, notan intellectual endeavor. Right, It's usually
not an intellectual endeavor what people doemotionally when they inflict violence on other people.
And I don't know that AI isgoing to naturally have that if it

(42:30):
achieves superintelligence or godlike capabilities. Youknow, I just don't want to believe
that superintelligence means that it's more brutal. So I just want to bring back
a little bit circle around from oneof our other broadcasts where we actually talked

(42:51):
about Elon and Company, and actuallythere's, as I did dug up some
more info, there's companies that havereally least this implant thing way before Elon
even got the FDA approval. Onhis So it's a real thing. It's
not it's not like just some whateverthing that he's come up with. But

(43:12):
they literally have surgical rooms, youknow, and it's ten grand to get
one of these things put in.And the stats are staggering. As to
the forecasting. Now, I usedto work for an accounting firm, and
the forecasters there they don't lie.There. There are number of geniuses and
when they predict things with numbers,they they've done some homeworks. So this

(43:36):
kind of thing is not far off. Uh And and Elon's take on it
is that he he also not justwants to help the medical uh you know,
community with people with disabilities, buthe wants to get rid of the
whole chat gpt A I thing withthis brain implant. Well it won't be

(44:00):
needed, right, go ahead.Just wasn't chipping me already? I mean
clearly, I'm not getting out ofthis alive one way or the other.
And then you can customize, likewhat other things you want brain if you
want that little camera at the tipof your tongue, you know, like
well and uploading my ability to likebugs foreshadowing you, right, Okay,

(44:27):
there, don't I know. Iwas just gonna say if if chat CPT
makes the decision that humanity can't makeus a case for business for humanity,
we better find ways to be lessless uh less less hungry? Shall we
say? A couple of comments.I want to just mention quickly. Bruce

(44:50):
mckases virtual people are unsettling. ThisAI equal danger. Will Robinson and Beauty
Bubble says, as I understand it, well, you can upload all your
transcripts that's talking about if you havelike a personal GPT. I believe,
but she says with seven fingers nodoubt, refer to the AI model.

(45:12):
So let's let's move over to whatyou eat bugs to save the planet.
This is the advice I guess fromthe UN climate change folks that this is
the next the next stage in humanevolution and getting us off of a meat

(45:34):
based diet for the good of theplanet. Who wants to attack us first?
I would love to go ahead outa couple of strong thoughts on it,
and I don't know. I sharedwith the group a video that was
put on YouTube from a kind oflike a functional medicine doctor who's kind of

(45:58):
about a year ago or so.He ug into this topic because this topic
seems to be growing in momentum,and from his research it it shows that
there is some validity here. Butif you were to rank the nutritional contents,
okay, just compare just the basicnutritional profile of insects versus what humans

(46:27):
have traditionally eaten, which is,you know, chicken, beef, pork,
vegetables and things like that. Insectshave less nutritional value just generally across
the board. Bugs have always beeneaten by humans for the millennium. That's
how a lot of the early mankindsurvived is by eating small insects in between

(46:53):
there. So it was almost likea snack kind of thing in between the
big meals that they have when theytook down a deer or something or a
cow or whatever they killed for meat, and then they filled in with other
types of vegetables, right that alsohad nutrient profiles. So at the end

(47:15):
of the day, it's really youknow, and bugs are eating around the
world in some countries that are kindof starving, right, So it kind
of gets back to this issue ofhow hungry are you? Are you willing
to at least get some nutrition becauseyou don't have access to beef, pork

(47:35):
and chicken and all the stuff thatwe do here in the US. So
I think if you look at itobjectively, there is some nutritional value there
that doesn't seem to be any researchevidence saying that it's harmful to the human
body. It just has less nutrientvalue, is kind of the takeaway that
I have. And the ick factoris pretty high, right for most of

(47:58):
us that have grown up not eatinginsects. So that's the other factor here.
But the world there is a lotof momentum behind making powders and and
things like that that can be addedto you know, our our recipes and
things like that that are based oninsect protein and and those kind of things

(48:19):
that I think are I mean,really, if you look at the history
red dye, I think it isnumber six or whatever has always been based
on beetles. So there's a historyof us having insects in our diet already.
We just didn't know about it.It's not like the red Day or
red dye manufacturers were out there sayingthat that that they they comprise bugs to

(48:45):
make their their red dye. It'snot like they advertise that. So so
it's you know, it's thick factoris really what we're dealing with here,
and and I think, you know, and the excuse of doing this,
which is also a little bit ofa red herring here too, is that
somehow you're fighting climate change. AndI think that there's absolutely no evidence that

(49:08):
eating bugs is fighting climate change.I just think it's driving a particular narrative
that people want to create for this. But I don't think there's any research
evidence showing that if we cut backon being, you know, having cattle
or chicken or whatever, that that'sgoing to dramatically impact the climate. I

(49:30):
think about the ecosystem too, howis this going to affect that? I
mean, there's animals that eat certainthings, and yah, it's a balance,
right, Yeah, it's a balance, right. And then I think
the thing that shocked me so muchwhen I found this was there's there's restaurants
already open and that's all they serve, right, and so they have a

(49:53):
clientele that that's what they've decided they'regoing to do to help the you know,
the climateg make a difference in that. But more importantly, I think
what really bothered me was the factthat well I shouldn't say fact, because
I don't it hasn't been imposed yet, but the talk of that there's going

(50:15):
to be down the road, likeclasses of people where the majority of proteins
available are going to be bugs orbug made and then the class that has
the money to pay for a steakdinner or whatever or meat, you know,
other types of protein that's going tobe so sky high unaffordable for the

(50:38):
general population that you're going to be. The government could enforce this, and
there's big food companies behind this,which is really alarming. So anyways,
just that I guess, again takingaway our choices that that was like whoo
red flies. Yeah. And I'malso a little bit concerned about maybe some

(51:01):
insects having neurotoxins in them. Ithink that there is a factor there.
I'm not sure that most of thebugs that are being promoted as edible sources
have neurotoxins. It's not like Idon't think we're going to be eating snakes
anytime soon. So that's the concernon my side. I know some people

(51:22):
probably do eat snake, you know, and that's you know, in Vancouver,
I used to live in Vancouver.There was a place called the Rattlesnake
Grill, and they did serve snak, Yeah, I never eat it.
You know, I just don't likethe idea that they're trying to eliminate beef,

(51:43):
pork, and chicken from being accessibleto us for the reason of climate
change, because there just isn't anyevidence, really a solid evidence that it
would make a big difference. Andthen the shift also to artificial meat that
has definitely been proven to be unhealthyfor humans. So so I would definitely

(52:07):
stay away from that fake meat stuff. Definitely. If you have to choose
between insects or fake meat, theyprobably choose the insects. Rebecca. Yeah,
I guess it's either you or me, So what don't I just throw

(52:29):
right? Yeah, exactly, fairenough, You're welcome. I'll say one
thing, and that is that,you know, I don't know what it
would take to collapse the food systemglobally. It seems like sometimes we're just
held up by like a piece ofgum and a rubber band. So at
least we have something weighed in thewings here, so you gotta risk it

(52:52):
for the cricket biscuit. Beauty Bubbleposted some comments in here with some stats
around. Yeah, I shared,h I shared those on the screen I'll
share, I'll share them again.Yeah, I mean, I guess for
me, there's a there's a fewthings. First of all, I think
it's disgusting. No offense to anycultures where this is done. You do

(53:15):
you, I'll do me. ButI think number one, it's not appealing.
I agree with Rob that it's alesser quality of nutrient probably. And
when we start manufacturing bug, likeyou know, we have factory farms,
we have factory bug. What arethey going to eat? What are they

(53:38):
going to consume? Or are wegoing to spray them? How are they
going to be kept? Are theyyou know whatever. It's not the same
as you know, grabbing a tarantulain Cambodia and depprying it for you know,
a delicacy or something. This isI don't would even consider that that's
considered a delicacy in Cambodia. Butagain it's one thing where culturally people want

(54:05):
to do it, or they enjoyit or what have you, or if
there's no other option, of courseyou would, you would consume that over
starving to death. But I mean, just the fact think about it that
the people pushing this, you know, at the UN and other places are
going to go to a five stardinner tonight on our dime, when they

(54:27):
then go back to a major hotelwhere they stay on their government's dime,
and you know the resource, andthen they're going to fly private back to
their own country, and you knowwhat they're trying to impose on, particularly

(54:47):
on the developing world, where itcan even less afford these changes than we
can in the more developed countries,over perhaps a tenth or you know,
a third of a tenth of apercentage in the in the global temperature,
maybe being able to you have towonder. I'm not saying that I don't

(55:13):
have any idea. I'm not scientists. I have no idea whether climate change
is real, whether it's threatening thefact, how much humans have to do
it When people who are pushing itdon't have a way of gaining from it,
people who are pushing this don't havea financial or lifestyle benefit to themselves

(55:36):
or their companies, or aren't youinvested in of equity in these companies,
I will be far more open tolistening, just as I'll be far more
open to listening to people in themedical field, for example, if they
don't stand to gain from the solutionsthat they're pushing to illnesses that they may

(55:57):
or not have played a role incausing through other things that they've pushed.
Yeah, and actually Bruce McKay hasgot a good good comment too that kind
of kind of gets back to whatI was saying about the mile toxins.
Yeah, toxins are concerned with theconsumption of insects. Also, their contact
with certain plants can pose allergic reactionsfor humans. Yeah, the new ball

(56:23):
of wax with that, because allof a sudden, you know, you're
going to have a huge amount ofpopulation eating these things and a whole bunch
of different illnesses popping in and it'slike, well where did that come from?
Right? Yeah, And a lotof the plants that we consume,
you know, the vegetables and thingslike that, also have kind of toxins

(56:46):
in them as well that we maynot even know about that cause an allergic
reaction in our bodies as well thata lot of people don't talk about.
But some of these plants that wegenerally commonly eat have chemicals in them that
are trying to prevent people from eatingit. So so it's it's a defensive

(57:14):
mechanism, and I think insects arereally known for having these chemical weapons.
And I say, this is somebodywho has at different times in my life
been a vegan. But there arepeople who have done very well on an
all beef diet, for example,or primarily beef diet. And we're all

(57:36):
we've all, you know, ourour heritage, where we come from,
what our ancestors have eaten, thegenetic mix that we are and all that,
all that factors in our blood type. All these things factor into why
people some people reget get get superallergic to a food and somebody else can

(57:57):
eat it three times a day andwhatever. So that's that's the other part
about pushing a one size fits allsolution on the world is that within our
own families there are people who,you know, one person responds really well
to this food, the other personlike falls asleep every time they eat it
or get sick or whatever. Sowe're gonna have top down, you have

(58:21):
to eat this or not eat this. It's just you know, yeah,
I think we're all another form oftyranny. I think we're all built for
diversity in our food consumption. That'swhy there's so many different types of foods
in our environment. Is that weneed a little bit of everything. But

(58:42):
if they restrict us down then wecan't have beef and pork and chicken and
fish and all this stuff and it'sonly insects, then that may not be
the healthy answer here long term.That diversity is the key to our resiliency
over the long term generationally. Ijust to say publicly, I am not
eating bugs anytime, So I'm noteither of And don't worry all those booking

(59:07):
me out there. My rider doesnot have the Okay, I've read and
M and m's, but not thebug manu, not the no, not
not beat all m and ms orchocolate covered crockroaches anytime. I'm not I'm
not an adventurous eater when it comesto the ingredients. Like I'm open to

(59:29):
all different kinds of cuisines. I'mopen to trying spicy not spicy, you
know, from all four corners ofthe world. But what goes into it,
there are certain limits no matter whereor what I eat, you know
what I mean. And and that'swhether it's next I eat next door,
or I eat you know, onthe other side of the world. And

(59:51):
it's just not going to change forme, you know, you're gonna have
to You're gonna have to come tomy door with a gun to make me
exactly something I don't want to.Once upon a time, I was on
a missions trip and we were atan orphanage way out in like the Boonies,
Donal, South America, and Iremember our team leaders said to us,

(01:00:13):
Okay, now you have to bevery polite because these people, like,
they work really hard to you know, they're so excited to have us
here. So you know they're gonnafeed us lunch, and you have to
eat everything that's on the plate.Okay. Well, you know there's a
bunch of us and we're like CanadiansAmericans, right. I mean, I'm
the only Latina in the group,and they serve us this. And honestly,

(01:00:36):
the minute it came out of thekitchen, I thought my stomach was
turning. I thought I was gonnathrow up. It was. The smell
was awful. I was like,what is in this? And it was
like this soup and it just streaked. I had no idea what was in
it. I don't know if itwas bad in there or someone's straight cat
like. Honestly, but you seein some countries this is a norm in

(01:01:00):
our culture. It's not a normfor them. It was like, oh,
we're serving them our best, butI knew there was something really wild
in there. It was not chickennor beep, I'll tell you that,
right. And when something's that farinto your system, it's going to treat
it as an enemy, because it'snot you know, you've gone how many

(01:01:22):
years without having put if you're fiveyears old, if you've never that's not
been a part of your diet oryour families diet forever. That's there's a
good chance it's going to make yousick. It's gonna be gonna be a
foreign thing. And I think wealso have to trust our disgust for certain
things, like maybe there's something inus that's telling us that's not healthy for

(01:01:45):
us. So that's not although Igot to say there are things that aren't
healthy for me that I have nodisgust though for whatsoever. Most of them
are the most of them are inthe freezer. In the pad culture,
cuisina is like disgusting rights, rightright, Yeah, I think we should

(01:02:09):
rename this show the stream Leader,Stream Leaders Report, Bug Report Report,
What we won't eat this week?Hashtag trust discuss. Yes, all right,
Rebecca, what are you guys comingup on Business in the Raw?
Oh my god. Well, thisweekend we're actually going to Janine's physical house

(01:02:34):
in Virginia and Tony's going to helpbring her recording studio up to like commercial
viability, so they're gonna get hervoiceover. Business is is getting its big
girl panties in terms of technology,and it's going to be really exciting to
see that transformation. Thanks for asking, Claudia while you recover. What are

(01:02:57):
you up? So? I'm well, I'm not performing. I'm not allowed
to perform on stage live in casemy musicians knock me over, right,
But I am a lot broadcasting,and yes i am. I am on
Expert TV's Wealth Summit based out ofEurope and there is a bunch of speakers

(01:03:17):
from all over cool and it's prettyexciting. So that's the eighth, ninth,
tenth, And then I'm also livebroadcasting and you guys can all join
into in my Conga Cabana vi ifLande. I am showcasing my Gloria Stephan
tribute which will be on the roadas well, So I'm pretty excited about

(01:03:39):
that. And outside of that,I'm working with different clients who are writing
and speaking and releasing your products.So exciting times cool, Rob, what's
on podcast tips tonight? Oh,we're gonna be talking about how to grow
a show. So I've got aterrific guest on. Jordan Harbinger is gonna

(01:04:02):
join me. He's got a veryvery very very successful podcast and so he's
going to share all of his tipswith us about how he grew his show
and to be such a monster,behemoth of a of a program. That's
a big guest. That's awesome.Yeah. Well, we're getting the band

(01:04:24):
back together for meetups. The NewYork City Video Creator meetup hasn't met in
person since the month before the pandemic, and we're gonna get together with the
New York City podcasters and have ameet up for the holidays, just a
kind of meet and greet chat andget reacquainted and meet some new people.

(01:04:45):
Uh So, anybody who's in theNew York City area who's a creator or
just interested in you know, livestreaming, podcasting, YouTube, come on
down tore area. We're gonna wewould love to join you guys. Oh
that'd be awesome, Rob, I'mgoing to uh finalize. We're going to
finalize the destination soon. But there'suh, there's links, you know,

(01:05:10):
my personal profile on Facebook and suchor just DM me and I'll send you
send you the link. So that'son the twelfth, twelfth, Yeah,
Tuesday afternoon, probably about four thirtyto six it ross uh, well,
it's in the Times Square area,but we we have to finalize the destination

(01:05:31):
venue. Yeah, so and thenwe'll be back next week one one thirty
pm Eastern for another episode of TheStream Leader, Stream Leader Report, Bug
Report, The Stream Leader, BugReport, No discuss h. I think

(01:05:51):
we'll have other other topics next week. So if if you skipped over this
one and you're just coming back,it's okay, we understand. I do
that myself sometimes with certain topics.But well, thank you so much for
joining us. It's it's been alot of fun and it's always great hosting
a show with my friends here.And thank you. We'll see you again

(01:06:14):
next week Thursday, one thirty pmEastern. Have a great afternoon, everybody,

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