Must the Show Go On? Creators & Tragedy | Panel (Ep24) - StreamLeader Report with Ross Brand

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All right, welcome everybody to thestream Leader Report. I'm Ross Brand,
joined by my co host Rebecca Gunter, Rob Greenley, and Claudia Santiago.
Obviously, it's been a tough lastseventeen eighteen hours. Perhaps, like me,
you stayed up late watching the news. There was a terrible mass shooting

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in Maine. Eighteen people dead,twelve people hurt. I think it's the
latest numbers that I've seen, andso rather than do our normal show,
we're going to start and talk aboutthis issue, not to cover it like
the news, but from our perspective, because we've talked a lot about issues

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like mental health and the stresses ofeveryday life and so forth. And I
don't know to what degree those haveplayed in here, but it's possible.
So, Uh, the latest isthe shooting. Suspect's name is Robert card
He still wanted on murder charges,so they haven't caught him yet. Eighteen

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dead is better than they thought thenumbers were gonna be as horrific as it
is. Uh, And so Iguess my first thought is mental health.
But there's a lot of different waysto go on it. But that's seems
like there were warnings out there hehad talked about doing some horrible things,

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shootings and mass killings and things likethat, and he was released back into
the into the public. Was heever treated? And I guess those would
be some of the some of thesome of the concerns. Yeah, it's

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really tragic, that's all I cansay. All right, are sobering?
Yeah, I don't know, Russ. I mean, I don't know what
we can really talk about on this. You know, this is an ongoing
struggle that we've we've had in thiscountry, and I don't know what the

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solution is anymore. I mean,it just continues to happen. I don't
know that there is anything specifically wecan do to prevent these things from happening.
I do think that the core issueis mental health and the division that's
happening in this country around all sortsof issues and topics that are I think

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people are every hard part time copingwith the with the realities of life now,
and people are challenged economically and socially, and and sometimes people break.
You know, It's it's really tragic, and it's and it's there's it's like
what happened to you know, thewar in the Middle East that's going on

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right now? Is all? Thisis so tragic loss of life and loss
of people feeling love and care foreach other, you know. I think
that's the real loss here is theloss of community and the loss of society
and increasing numbers of people getting engulfedin stress and fear, and those are

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those are not healthy emotions for humansto experience on a regular basis. The
loss a sense of safety too,Yeah, how in our everyday lives.
Yep, Younger people already go throughschool shooter drills and things they should not
have to go through. I remember, maybe when I was in kindergarten,

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I was at the tail end ofit. We did some sort of air
raid drill and everybody had a duckunder their desk as that would save you
from nuclear weapon or whatever dropping overon your school. I think at that
young I wasn't maybe able to understandthe impact of it all and everything.
But I imagine with the news andvideos and everything, it's much more real

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to to kids now what they're whatthey're going through. But you know,
a bowling alley or restaurant, theseplaces we think of as safe, safe
places to send yourself, to sendyour kids things like that and church synagogue
exactly exactly crazy, even the festivalin Israel, how that all went down,

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I think more and more I'm notin the States, and as first
of all, just my condolences toall that are suffering there and the trauma
triggers it does. And I thinkthe more also that we pay attention to
our community, those around us,and even as these like you mentioned Robbie's

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stressors. While maybe once upon atime in a period of our lives we
could handle that more and now ina different season of life, maybe not
so much. Right So getting checkedout, getting the proper therapy here,
perhaps even medication even for a seasonthat's needed. I know about how we've

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talked before about you know, ADHDand autism and these things, that there's
certain triggers too for everybody. SoI think that's so important, and I
mean, I know it's there's notone the one solution, but this is
very mental health is very real thing, and very saddened to hear all that's

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gone down. I wish this kindof stuff wasn't so good for the news
cycle. I wish the feeding frenzywasn't so good for the news cycle because
I think that when we talk aboutmental health, is that a thing.
Absolutely, But I think that we'reso hyper individualistic in America that you know,

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everything becomes someone's personal problem and notkind of some larger systemic stuff that
are at play. So the wholething to me just feels kind of gross
in the oversimplification and the projection onjust an individual. And then also again
like it's like, you know,a feeding frenzy at the media table.

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The more of this stuff goes onand we're as collectively as a community,
the ones who were suffering under theweight of it, as well as the
very real people who were just tryingto live their lives. Yeah, I
want to bring in this comment fromBeauty Bubble says to give some context to

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the number of people highly impacted.A news YouTube channel had six hundred and
twenty thousand views last night versus hisunder seventy thousand on global conflicts. So
it does bring eyeballs. It doesreally impact people when these type of events
occur close to home. And shealso says, I do believe we were

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searching for answers more than ever aswe sit together. I mean, I
guess, and I don't mean tomake some sort of flip generalization, but
it seems like the more technology hasbrought the world closer and made us all
more interconnected, the less we're intouch with maybe what's going on with our

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neighbors, our community, even withinour own families and such. I don't
know what the answer to that is. The other thing I'll throw out there,
and I think because we talk aboutissues related to creators and how creators
can handle things, my first thoughtwhen this news broke and I was following

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it last night was maybe we shouldn'tdo a show today. And is that
competing thought with maybe we don't doa show versus the show must go on?
Is it inappropriate to come on andtalk about the robots or some new

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invention in tech or something like that, or by coming on and doing the
show, are we providing a distractioncomfort normalcy? Rob? I guess I'm
going to go to you on thisfirst, just although Claudia and Rebecca you've

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a lot of experience with these typeof decisions, I'm sure, But Rob,
what have you noticed through your yearsof doing live shows of is there
an appropriate way? Is there anysort of consensus on how to react or
what to do with your content insituations where there's a major news event,

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tragedy kind of thing. Yeah,I think there's a couple of ways that
we can react to it. AndI think generally though, I like to
be positive about how I react toit and sensitive to the impacted individuals,
like we have on this program allalready today. But I also am concerned
about the aspect of this that becauseof that exploitive nature that media has on

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events like this to drive views,just like what Beauty Bubble gave an example
of. I don't know what thatcontent was that they were presenting, but
we have to ask ourselves, isall the attention to these things, these
events, these happenings that are reoccurringone of the drivers of the reasons that

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they happen. So, you know, it's the chicken or the egg kind
of thing. What is the youknow, if we don't pay attention to
these things, will they tend tonot happen or or somehow because we all
pay attention to them, and weall give comfort and love and care to
the impacted individuals, that that thatis more important than ignoring them and not

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driving attention to the perpetrators of thisand giving them some sort of reward of
attention for their their evil deeds.So that's that's the aspect of that I
struggle with. You know, Ithink as media creators, we we want

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to cover what the news is,and I think the mainstream media folks want
to do that as well, becauseyou know, they've had this mantra if
it bleeds, it leads, andthat is because humans are attracted to tragedies
and disasters and things like that.I think drives a lot of attention.

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But really what is needed right nowis care and love and support for the
impacted individuals from this and that personbeing punished for his actions, and that's
what we should really focus on.I think, Claudia, what would you
do if you had a show inanother city in Maine last night and this

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news came out? Does the showgo on? Do you perform the songs
that you had planned? Do youcancel it? Have you ever dealt with
a situation where there was a majortragedy or something and you had a show
to do in person? Definitely?Definitely. So first of all, the

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authorities of that area they will shutdown a show if there's any danger to
the public. So then we justdo what they ask. Number two.
Yes, I've been involved in situationswhere it's something like this, or I
mean, just back up a littlebit. Before I go to another territory,
another city, another country, Ialways do my research. What's going

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on in that city, what hashappened, whether it's political, whether it's
demographic. They may have just sufferedan earthquake. You know what I'm saying,
Because for me, as an entertainer, I'm not just there to perform
a show. I'm there to communicatewith the hearts of people. I'm there

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to bring them a life transformation.I'm there. You know, when you
look at yourself as someone like that, then it's got to matter what people
are going through, you know.I usually do my research. So if
I was going to be doing aconcert in Maine and it was safe,
it's worthy say Hey, a concertis going on, I would address it.

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I wouldn't ignore it. I wouldaddress it. I would really from
the heart, and I might evenchange my set list to include a song
or two that might be very pertinentto this situation. And sometimes I might
even say, hey, can weturn the house lights up so everybody can

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see each other? We can singtogether sometimes I've done that. Sometimes I've
said to the musicians, Hey,no music, let's do this a cappella.
So it brings a measure of healingand interaction and aggrieving together. So
yeah, definitely with my broadcast shows, I've had situations, you know,

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with my I do nighttime serenade indifferent season, and when I do that
and something big is gone down,it's really hard to get in front of
a camera because when you do alive you can actually see people's faces and
you can kind of but when you'redoing a broadcast you can't. But what
I do is I take time outright at the very front. Hey,

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you know, I dress it andthen yeah, same thing there too.
I might even change my set listto really connect with my audience. Well
us, I'll share that I hada show today and kind of face the
same decision making. I really reallywoke up to our group thread about whether

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we should do a show or notdo a show, and I considered like
should I email my guest or connectwith my guests and ask them their opinion
on it? And sadly, Ihave so much crisis fatigue that I was
like, well, tomorrow, what'sthe difference tomorrow's school. The day after

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that, it's a grocery store theday after that. If I stopped,
you know, business as usual becauseof you know, classic America. At
what point do you have to makethose decisions, so at the end of
the day or well at the beginningof the day. Because I just did
that, just wrap that show justhalf an hour ago, I didn't,

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you know, I kind of cameinto the green room my guest and I
didn't even acknowledge it. We justkind of went straight into the show.
And maybe I should have said somethingat the top of it. But again,
I have so much crisis fatigue thatit feels like a different day,
a different you know, set ofheartbreaking deaths at the at the you know,

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at the hands of a domestic terrorist. So I don't know if I
made the right decision or not tobe completely transparent to just kind of go
on with it. And I thinktime might, time might. I'm definitely
looking to the thought leadership for thefolks that are in this room and also
in the comments and beaty bubble andpodcast engineering school, et cetera, whether

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or not I did the right thing. But yeah, I mean I think
it also maybe matters what your topicis, because we're a panel show that
tends to focus on the news.But from the aspect of creators and such,
to just completely ignore this would seemsort of and we're live, right,

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We're not doing a show that's prerecorded and we drop it at a
certain time. It might it mightcome across as a little callous if you're
doing a show on business coaching andyou never bring really bring current events in,
unless your client would be doing aproject that had some touch on that.

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I think I think it's a differencesituation. I think it does depend
on what your content is and whereyou're performing in a lot of different a
lot of different factors. I thinkyour audience also your target audience. Once
again, even if you're broadcasting,to be sensitive to who they are.

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I mean, if most of themare in Maine, you might want to
consider addressing Yeah, of course,yeah, I think geographically would have made
a difference, right right, Ifit's like main public access, I would
have been like, you know,and I just I didn't even know about
This is going to sound really weird, you know. I was hanging out

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on Facebook quite a bit yesterday,and of course us Canadians don't even get
the news there. So I foundout through Ross late last night and I
was just numb. And again withthe fatigue you're talking about her or Dacka.
I mean, my friends in Acapulcojust got slammed with the category hurricane

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venue owners. Friends that are therethat are like family musicians. So I
mean, I was just my headwas spinning last night. And you know,
there's just these catastrophes and these thingsthat happen. And so when Ross
asked me, you know what doyou think, I said, you know
what, I think it would behealing actually for all of us to get

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together and throw out some things.Yeah. Well, I'm glad I asked
your advice because I think it wasthe right thing to do. I want
to say a quick hello to thePodcast Engineering School, which is Chris Kern,
one of the all time great podcastengineers audio engineers in the podcast space.
He's got a wonderful podcast show,podcast Engineering Show, and he's got

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the Podcast Engineering School where you canlearn how to engineer podcasts at the highest
level. Of course, the greatBeauty Bubble is with us. Always great
to have her in the chat andher insights she's on top of the news
and always brings some interesting elements infrom what's going on in the world in

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real time research. Before we getto our usual topics or some of the
topics we had thought about doing,why don't we transition by going to another
news topic that's related to social media? And this might be up Rebecca's alli
for sure, and that is whatis the impact of TikTok on where people's

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sympathies lie with the war between Israeland Hamas, Israel and Gaza. And
there's been some discussion on x orTwitter that perhaps bite Dance, the parent
company for TikTok, which is basedout of China and is less sympathetic to

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US interests which tend to support Israeland these things, is pushing a content
from an anti Israel perspective to ahigher, more prominence. And there's a
lot of bots and things that aresupporting that. And does that have an
impact on how different generations view theconflicts? So you have probably the least

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social media active generation, which isover sixty five years old, which is
eighty one percent supportive of Israel's response, saying it's fully justified, while the
eighteen to thirty four year olds whoare most likely to treat TikTok as a
search engine in a place to getnews. Only twenty seven percent feel that

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Israel's response to Moss is fully justified. The middle generations come out more more
balanced on that, but there's ahuge disparity on how the older generations and
the younger generations see this issue.I think it also depends on what side

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of TikTok you're on, where thealgorithm is leaving you. But I can
certainly say that from where what myalgorithm says definitely falls along with this,
and it's very I would not saysupportive of if you have to pick a
side, what I would not callTikTok creators supportive of the Israel side.

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I'm using air quotes, but veryvery much tracks with this eighteen to thirty
four year old statistic here. Butagain, I'm on a very kind of
like you know, up with theproletari, just a very like Marxian approach
to politics and worldview. So Ithink if you were on maybe a different

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side of TikTok, as they say, you might see the statistics flip a
little bit. I think it justgets back to perspective on the situation and
what aspect of this that you valueand where your values aligned with this question,
because it is a convoluted to somedegree question depending on your perspective.

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Rights it's not it can be clearcut from the standpoint that you know,
Israel is justified in a response here, but a response is tends to be
violence as well. So I think, Rob, I think it's the kind
of response that's getting right. Well, sure, I mean, but any

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any military response is I think whatthey're they're concerned about. What my concern
is is that this conversation is tendsto leave out the tragedy that happened to
Israel, and so that is thatis a part of this that is hard
for for me to kind of grapplewith as I think about it, is

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is that I think we've shifted thisconversation over to what's happening to the people
in Gaza, which I think isa valid concern. I don't want to
see people get killed over in Gazatoo, But what is Israel supposed to
do after they've been attacked first?It's it's you know, you can bring
it back to like like a streetfight, right, people, you know,

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who attacked who first? Right?Is the is the argument here?
And and are you justified in hittingsomeone that hits you first or do you
need to show compassion to the personthat hits you first? Right? That
is really the argument here, thatthat I think younger people are making and

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and I think it's a it's definitelya valid argument. You know. That's
that's at the core of the strugglein the Middle East too, is these
multi generational conflicts that each side doesdamage to the other side and that creates
animosity and hatred that foments in furtherviolence. And I think that that's that's

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the bigger question. I do thinkthat Israel is justified because they got attacked
first. But then, on theother hand, does that mean that you
know, all these all these citizensin Gaza deserve to be killed too?
And I that's not a that's notan equivalency that makes sense to me either.
So that's what makes this issue sodifficult. Or having water cut off

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or power I mean to me,that's straight up torture. Yes, it's
very hard to hear. But alsoit gets more complicated too because the got
power for the rockets, and theygot a got power to operate those tunnels.
If the power really was cut off, they wouldn't be able to keep
their hostages and their weapons in thosetunnels, right. And the terrorist group

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is embedded filming people running in andout of hospitals as they do constantly needs
power in those hospitals. So theidea that there, we were told that
people are going to starve in twodays, two weeks ago. Yeah.
Well, also, the the Houmasgroup is embedding their military operations in with

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the civilians and using them as ashield, and you know that's that's part
of the issue here too. Imean, I think part of the social
media story too is that different culturesapproach what they show, oh graphically differently,
and so Israel has been kind ofvery reserved about showing the horrors that

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its citizens go through and playing upthat side of things, in other words,
not showing dead bodies and not showingexcept maybe to a small group of
journalists so that someone that's what theydid could tell the story. Whereas it's
very hard to know what's real andwhat's not when you see a blown up

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building and then you see a completelyclean child with a teddy bear sitting on
a pile of rocks or whatever,and you go, well, was that
child really pulled from the rubble orwas that child placed there? Because nobody
really would place a child if theythought something was going to blow up,
like because you know, when buildingblows up, it's not you don't know

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if that's the end of the organ'sexploited. So there's a lot of stuff
going on that's sort of in thesocial media wars. Isn't isn't proportionate given
that that's a word that's used alot. And you would think that the
Israeli side would have an advantage beingthat they're more sort of pro Western side,

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right, they would have more advancedmedia and so forth. But I
don't think they do. I thinkthey're completely outclassed in terms. And I
think it's partly cultural, just awillingness to do horror scenes and things like
that. They don't see their populationas being there to exploit. Yeah,

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well, and they don't embed theirmilitary operations in with civilians is the other
difference between each side. And sotargets that are military targets are military targets.
They're not military targets surrounded by civiliansthat are being used as shields and
that's the other aspect of this thatis actually at least what I'm understanding is

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going on, and it's it's kindof like that urban urban warfare tactic that
the that various groups have employed,right, Yeah, so it's not a
good time over there, that's forsure. Really hard to know what's really

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going on. I mean with thewar I went through, the propaganda was
like rampant, and it was yearsand years and years after that you really
found out what was going on,right, And the part of that was
the people that were imprisoned were sotraumatized they were scared to even talk about
it. So I think it'll bereally interesting what comes out after the fact.

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And and now too, we havethe technology thing anybody could o to
shomp and babysitting anywhere and to makeit look like whatever. Right, So
it's really hard to know. Andthe censorship too, that's going on,
and I think that's kind of whatwe're seeing a bit with TikTok here is.
I think we're gonna be seeing moreand more of that unfortunately. Yeah.

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Yeah, I wouldn't say TikTok's entirelythe reason for swaying opinions or the
social media side. I mean there'syou know, I think it's the generation
that you grew up in, whatyou were, you know, what your
family position on these type of issuesis. Also, if you're in a
university campus, who you're exposed to, where the activists are, where you

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know, who your friends are,who you talk to. I think there's
a lot of complicated reasons why differentgenerations might have different views on this,
but I thought it was worth bringingup because it's a big discussion and it's
it's interesting to see on X orwater how there's a really wide variety of

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views, and it's very interesting.You get views that you wouldn't expect and
and just long threads, and youget some that are just full of you
know, argument that's for the argument'ssake, and others where people will write
long histories and and different things.And it's been, uh, it's exhausting

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but also interesting following it. Sowe've got a lot of a lot of
a lot of major news. Iwant to bring in. Beauty Bubble has
a story. She had a presentationbefore school board the day of Columbine and
at the lect At the lectern,she took a deep breath and said it
was no day for me to sellsoap, but everybody should love on their

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children. Well, it's, youknow, a nice way to approach it.
She also say military responses require preparednessto introduce uh military forces. So
both parties are demons treading their abilitieswhich may be unsupported by the younger demographic
and idea for a poll and Chriscurrent says unpopular opinion. More people need

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to transcend the widespread proclivity to choosea side and blithely root for their team.
Back to critical thinking. Am Iright exactly? And of course,
as citizens of the United States Canada, we also have our perspectives in what's
in our country's interests. How muchresources or not resources do we pour into

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conflicts overseas. There's a lot ofareas of discussion that are kind of beyond
the scope of this show. Claudiabrought up an awesome topic. Let's move
into something more along the lines oftechnology in the future and creators. Claudia,

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what is going on with the ideathat we might be able to add
new senses. I'm not sure ifyou've got that last one that I just
sent over to you or the oneprior. David Eagleman, and he actually
ran across him through Mitch Jackson wastalking about AI and courtroom and all this,

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and then he had this link tothis guy called David Eagleman. And
guys don't know who much Jackson is. He's a lawyer out of California.
Great guy. So anyway, soI checked it out and I was astounded.
I mean, we're talking you know, CHAGGBT and AI, but these
folks are delving into a whole otherarea I'm really big on, like the

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human condition and just you know,how us as humans can create and evolve
and to do entrepreneurial feasts. Well, David Eagleman has been helping the I
believe it's the blind and the deafand anyways, yeah, so okay,

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you've got that one. So letme just finish up with David Eagleman.
First, he created this vast thatcan sense vibrations and that and it helps
those that are blind. It helpsthem and how I understand this, and
you know, you guys pipe inany time you want. But the brain

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is just amazing. The brain,the way it configures everything has his receptors
and and it just is amazing.But what happens when somebody is blind.
What happens when somebody has in anaccident no longer has sight, what happens
when somebody's deaf, Well, youcan't recreate those eyes. But what these

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folks are doing is they're like they'vecreated this watch that literally sends signals to
the brain and does things where youcan see again or hear again. Same
with these bests. And so whatthey do is they connect I don't know

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the ins and out's completely bit,they connect this to certain receptors in the
brain that normally, say, theeye would connect to because the brain doesn't
care where they get their information from. So this is really amazing technology they're
moving into. So it really helpsmedicine. But this whole thing too with

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body hacking. So it's as creators. This is going to be really intriguing
for you all because the future holdslike AI came rather quickly or so we
seen, well this has been indevelopment like this one guy, his name
was let me see if I canfind here, Paul Back and retail sensory

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substitute. So if you scroll downa bit, what he did in nineteen
sixty nine, he experimented in adentist chair and he put a pad behind
that would give the lower back sensesand it helped the blind to be able
to see objects. It's the weirdestthing, but the brain somehow recomfigures things.

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And so this was in nineteen sixtynine, and his wife just got
approval from the FDA in twenty fifteento approve this thing. The vest is
neosensory, and that one is theone that this fellow that I first talked

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about. There's a filmmaker called RobSpence. He's got this eyeboard thing.
He's a red pupil in one ofhis eyes, and dude gets like terminator
vision and he can zoom in,he can record video. It's super expensive.

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But like with the medical advancement,this guy that created the vest.
Normally somebody that's deaf would need likea cocklear in ear implant and that's like
super expensive. Well, these vestsare made so cheaply that people in third
world countries they can help them.Here here again, they can help help

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the death. So it's really quitesomething Like I was just oh, yeah,
there's this other thing called the BrainPortcamera. I thought of you from
they put at the tip of thetongue and it's a little camera that's implanted
and it can help people see.So you stick your tongue out of people

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when you're doing your video. Isthat kind of word like unbelievable? Right?
And I don't know if you guysbeen at the airport, but some
of those stores now you have towave your hand in front to enter the
store. And what does that dois it scans your your your veins and
it's just the weirdest thing that collectstoo much information. But I think,

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let me, let me see ifI understand how this would work. Your
bypass. We think that vision comesfrom the eyes and sound comes from the
ears, and in fact, thoseare the tools that we have. But
this would bypass that and go tothe area of the brain that receives the

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information. And if you are ableto provide that information to that area of
the brain, now you're able tosee or hear because you're getting the same
information that the eyes or the earswould give you. Is that an accurate
way to sort of sum it uppretty well? Yeah, yeah, it's

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amazing. It is amazing. Andthis like I'm just gonna use the vest
thing for an example. They putthat on someone and they did some tests
and they had him on an iPadscrolling through and it gave him all this
information about the stock market. Hecould sense it through other sensory parts of

(38:22):
his brain. So we may noteven need chat GPT or AI in the
future if we have these vests orimplants or whatever. It's really quite something.
I just want to give you anexample too. Like reptiles, they
have a certain type of sense.Birds have a different magnetic sense. Fish

(38:45):
had they So what that's what theycall the ownvelt for them, that's their
reality, that's what they live andthey don't have our senses, just as
like I don't have the magnetic sensesa bird would to know which way to
navigate. Okay, so that's whatthey call it um veldt. So what
is normal for me is what Ican touch and see. Well, what

(39:08):
they're working at is having these whetheryou wear something or you get it implanted,
where all of this saidden, youmight have the en veult of a
bird or do you see what I'msaying. So it's really pretty wild,
and it's not that far off.Like I said, you know, AI
kind of showed up. But thiskind of thing, there's this other thing

(39:31):
called the RFID chips. Now Ineed to look into that more. But
these these things go underscan and allthat kind of thing. Now, this
is interesting, okay for all thecreators out there, entrepreneurs. Some of
these companies are looking to put programsin place where if you have that,

(39:53):
you collect certain amount of data andit gets submitted to them. If you
sign up for something, you actuallywork for them, you get paid for
data collection. That's a whole otherbusiness. Now you read a lot,
I mean things that I read.You know, look out for this this

(40:15):
person's a transhumanist, or lookout forthese trans human inventions that are coming.
Is this what they mean or whatdo they mean when they talk about transhuman
Yeah, it's the integration between technologyand biotechnology. Is really, if you

(40:38):
want to take it to a highlevel, it's the integration of the two.
Right, we're already hybrid trans transtechnology human beings right now because of
our mobile phones and our our Aurarings and our Apple watches and that are

(40:59):
making those digital connections with our biology, right. And then then you just
take it to kind of the nextlevel, and that would be like a
neurolink kind of connection, where adevice that communicates with the Internet connects directly
to your brain and gives you theability to which will happen probably in robots

(41:21):
too, where you'll be able tobuy skill packages and download it to your
consciousness, to your brain or whatever, as like an app, you know,
so you could you could buy acquiringthis this kind of almost like an
app. It's an analogy to anapp, which is really skills that could

(41:43):
be applied to your brain that maybeteach you how to fly an airplane or
something like that, or or howyou do do something and you pay,
you know, a couple dollars amonth for access to that. And actually
I pulled up an article in thatthis is a story that that I broke
on My Life long time radio showthat I did about the Internet and the
web. But researchers want to sendsmells over the internet. So if you

(42:09):
think about that kind of capability aswell, you know, you're starting to
create this connection between technology as apass through for kind of real world experiences,
right, so, you know,we're going deeper and deeper, you
know, one of those things,and it's a little bit weird to think
about that. You could you couldsend an odor or a scent to something

(42:32):
to someone over the internet. Butif that's connected to your brain, maybe
there's some sort of a sense thatthat generates in your that's similar to what
your your nose senses when they smellsomething, right, So it could create
this electronic stimulation that simulates a particularsmell. So you know, you know,

(42:53):
we're starting to get into this braininternet interface and it's and it's definitely
going to change the way we welook at the world. And this what
you're talking about, you know,Claudia, with the expansion of human senses,
I think is a whole other spectrumtoo. I think that there's lots

(43:15):
of discussion right now around how limitedhuman perception really is to the scope of
energy that's in our environment. Rightfrom the aspect of spectrum of light,
we only see a very narrow spectrumof light. And is there a way
that we can unlock that other spectrumto see things that you know, like

(43:37):
heat often a distance or something thatwe can Actually it's possible through technology now
to sense the location of humans throughwalls and through barriers, right based on
their heat of kind of kind ofcapability, right, and because that issues
a certain kind of frequency into theworld, that thing can be picked up

(43:58):
by by an appropriate sensors. Soyou know a lot of these things are
going to get pushed on and we'regoing to have the ability to hopefully it's
a positive thing and it doesn't usefor negative things. But that's always the
trade off, right, is thatthese things have been used in military applications
for years, you know, thosenight sensing goggles right to find people that

(44:20):
maybe you can you know, targetright, So, but that could be
used for for positive things too.So you know, our our world is
going to look very weird in thenext ten years and the things that are
being you know, I was astoundedto and reading and having him speak because
he's he said he was wearing thatvast was it the vest of the watch?

(44:44):
I can't remember now, But whilehe's giving his top ted talk,
if he checked into the hashtag forthat certain ted talk from stage, he
could sense what all the responses areon X. So it's just the weirdest

(45:06):
technology because it's not just like oh, you know, this will help cite
or it's like this intelligence that hewould come up with. Yeah, it's
possible through AI to analyze the commentson a thread and summarize it and deliver

(45:27):
it to your brain so you canIt's like this incoming message saying, well,
the sentiment in the comment threads onthis live show are this, and
so let's talk about this topic,right It could be delivered directly to the
brain right now. Two for thecreatives, they're the fashion industry. Also
this. I found this interesting.And you know, I've actually been to
a fashion show because I've got aa friend of mine who's in music,

(45:50):
but she's also a designer, andthey've got clothing that is tech clothing.
But I don't know if you guyshave heard of somebody named Orlan orlan Uh.
Anyways, she's an artist who likeredoes her like surgically gets redone.

(46:15):
Okay, now, Lady Gaga showedup one time with facial prosthetics. But
there's these nails even called the NFCnails, and they if you wear these
nails, you come close to yourphone and you can read things. You
can it's just really so that's techcoteurand it's out on the catwalk already.

(46:37):
Hmm. Well you said NFC nails. I thought you could National Football Conference.
You're the sports Let's uh, let'slet's check the chat real quick before
we do our final topic, Brucesays. Bruce mccah great to see you,

(47:02):
says. The brain is amazing.It's able to sort out and direct
different kinds of information that is beingfed, visual, sonic, etc.
Beauty Bubble says cient words, visualinformation from the retina is relaid through the
lateral geniculate nucleus of the thalamus tothe primary visual cortex a thin sheet.

(47:30):
Rebecca says, I used to thinkthe human brain is the most fascinating part
of the brain, and then Ithought, well, look what's telling me
that that's an emo Phillips quote ChrisCurrent podcast Engineering school is against this,
he says in capital letters, nevernever, never, Lol. Beauty Bubble

(47:51):
says that Rebecca Gunter I got messedup because of your brain on drugs ads
showing an egg being fried. WhatI know about the brain in the ghosts
that far, so the topic todayis needed. Rebecca mentions John Waters for
the smell eVision. The movie Polyestercame with a sniff card that was terrible

(48:14):
odors like old sneakers, Oh mygod, garbage pale. He was for
smell vision. He's so strange.Dude. Live Podcast Media Welcome says,
I read about AI that can readyour mind and thoughts, including dreams.

(48:37):
I wait for the dreams part soI know more about the deja vu that
always happens. Rebecca said. Aslong as you three are still in it,
I welcome the strange world that's sonice back at you, Rebecca Bruce
says, what if they can giveyou the sonar senses of a bat or
the smell senses of a bloodhound,as long as it doesn't get weaponized.

(49:01):
What about the ability to fly likelive Padcast Media says, it'll be great
to know things before they're happening,not only in dreams, but transcribed and
they're real infoe data, so youget like your podcast show notes, you
get a transcription from your podcast.You wake up in the morning, there's

(49:22):
a transcription from your dream. Thinkyou could even publish it as a block.
I think that there's one one aspectis that's really kind of as I
think about it more, You know, our our brains are kind of they
modulate and moderate the inputs that weget. And I've heard of people in

(49:45):
the past that have had heightened sense, like like maybe they can they can
hear better than they ever have orthey they're too sensitive to sound and that
can drive problems too. So sothere is a danger that we provide ourselves
with, you know, increase abilityfor sensing and and thing where it overwhelms

(50:06):
our capacity to handle that information,you know, and there's there could be
problems with that, and we don'treally fully understand. We're playing around with
this stuff without really clearly understanding howthe brain really works and how it can
modulate the input stuff, so wecan we can not go insane, you

(50:28):
know. So yeah, I meanI think we're we're dealing with an amount
of data input on a daily basisthat I mean humans just weren't designed to
do. I mean, the networksof people that we have, the sites
and the news and the information andthe intake and the visual stimulation. I

(50:49):
mean this is all within a veryshort time in human history. And you
look at like evolution and this likewell humans started developing this capacity two hundred
thousand years ago or five million yearsago, they started to you know,
no, no, this is allin like you know, he went from
sort of living in villages and stuff, isolated from the rest of the world

(51:12):
to like, now we know what'shappening twenty four to seven almost everywhere,
and you know, every opinion andevery every piece of information. Chris Kurrent
says, the types of technology technologicaladvancements, these types of technology easy for
me, So let's start again.Chris Kurrn says these types of technological advancements

(51:32):
are scary because humans, broadly speaking, are mostly still behaving like animals fear,
hatred, power, control, etcetera, instead of wisdom piece compassion.
Wow. Yeah, yeah, that'sour next deep next step, right,
is to be able to cope withthis level of information. We're going

(51:52):
to have to become more more compassionatetowards the world, and we're gonna have
to filter out things I don't know, or we're just going to have to
tolerate war, you know, ambiguityand confusion and and just you know,
look at everything through the lens ofcompassion and love and don't even go into

(52:15):
those areas of fear and hatred.Well, I think we're screwed, right.
Our capacity to harm each other isgrowing growing. It is the same
as it always was, but thetools to do it, which is why
the twentieth century was like the bloodiestcentury ever because we had weapons of mass

(52:37):
killing that we didn't have. Wellthat I'm that AI can be more intelligent
than humans and make better choices onthis stuff, and maybe the long run,
AI is going to save us fromdestroying ourselves. That's that's what I
hope. It's fascinating to me thatsocial revolutions, the Green Revolution being the

(53:02):
first one, agriculture, the Industrialrevolution, the Information Age, all of
those social revolutions the one after itis happening in half the time, and
right now our generation is projected tobe the first one to ever see two
in one lifetime, the Information Ageand I and AI. So that's why

(53:22):
I say we're screwed because I justreally don't know how we're going to be
able to really manage the reality ofseeing two social revolutions occur in one lifetime.
But I'm hopeful because we have theextremely to report weekly live pot every
Monday, one third of you I'mEastern Scandard time to keep us all grounded.

(53:45):
I'm gonna say one last thing realquick here. What gives me hope
to is this that our brains areso amazing and there's this thing called neuroplasticity.
You know, the brain can regenerateif you look at today, even
and for so long people that havestruggled with addiction. It changes the way

(54:07):
the brain thinks, so that thefrontal lobes where you're right, and raisoning
is happening. The blood flow evenstops through There are lessons, so you
can't now. The cool thing is, though, is there is if there
is treatment and they abstain from theaddiction, gives the brain a chance to
rewire, So there is hope.It's not all doom and gloom, you

(54:30):
know. I think once we getthere, there might even be specialized counselors
just for that rewire your brain fromthe freakin vest. Well, before we
wrap up, I want to bringin a story because it definitely covers Rebecca's
celebrity crush. I think you mayeven have an agreement with Tony if he

(54:52):
comes along. John Stewart, whoRebecca just adores, hosts a show called
The Problem. Well, host thea show called The Problem. It's not
going to move forward at Apple amidquote unquote creative differences. The planned ad
episode third season of the talk showwill no longer proceed. He was going

(55:13):
to get into issues including AI andIsrael, but probably the one that brought
it all to a halt is Chinayep Apple TV and Deep pull mat the
curtain on China did not mesh welland the show was canceled. And I

(55:35):
brought this to the table today becausewhen we had our Russell brand being canceled
conversation and talking truth to power,I told y'all, somebody needs to check
on John Stewart and WAMP. Ihope he becomes a rising independent creator as
we really are. We really aresomething to watch. Well, that is

(55:59):
awesome. I'm so glad we dida show today. I was really depressed
about what was going on in thenews. And while it's it's remains a
serious situation, it's good that wewe had a chance to get together and
share some human moments and talk aboutit with each other and with the wonderful
people who dropped into the chat andand and left so much insight on on

(56:22):
these topics sharing. Absolutely. Thankyou. Rob, you got a show
tonight. Tell everybody what what yougot going on. I'm going there.
It's the show on the stream erchannel called podcast Hips with Rob Greenley and
I'm gonna have a trific guest ontalking about video productions around video podcasting and

(56:43):
how how the best do that andyou know how you walk this line between
video podcasting video on YouTube and audiopodcasting and trying to get the best out
of both of those is kind ofthe overall topic of the show. So
it's it's live at seven pm Eastern, four pm Pacific. So I have

(57:04):
a former producer from CNN that's gonnajoin me on the program today to talk
about that blending between mainstream media productionand what we can do at home.
That's a fantastic topic. Rebecca.Where can we find Business in the Raw
or the live show that you hostedthis morning? Thank you so much.
Stone Fruit roll up every Thursday twelvenoon time noon Eastern Standard time on YouTube

(57:31):
and also on my LinkedIn page,and Business in the Raw Season two is
going live next Tuesday. We're livestreaming our sessions and then we'll do a
fully produced season in the spring.But this week on Tuesday, Halloween,
we have the lovely and gracious ReneeHastings joining us talk about how to Yeah,

(57:53):
I'm so excited to have her tohelp us figure out how we can
launch a business and get some teams. So see us then also YouTube and
linkedinay ten am, buddy, what'snext for you? Well? Be the
list stage is on hiatus right nowuntil I heal up from this, but

(58:14):
you can certainly sign up on myYouTube channel, Claus Santago Official and you'll
get notifications there. Sounds good.This has been this about your I'm coming
back next No, next week we'regoing to be off. Rob and I
are both traveling on that Thursday,so we're gonna skip next week and then

(58:36):
in two weeks we will be backwith a new show. So check out
the stream leader report. You cango to the livestream Universe YouTube channel.
You can find all the back episodesthere. You can also find us on
all the podcast apps. This isepisode number twenty four. Thanks again for

(58:58):
being here for Rebecca Gunter Business inthe Raw, Colodia Santiago Viva La Stage
and Rob Greenley of The Trust Factor. I'm ross brand. This has been
extremely to report. See in twoweeks Thursday, one thirty pm Eastern.
Take care everybody,

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