September 15, 2024 • 21 mins
In this podcast-only version of S640, the panel, which collectively decides the topic, looks back at the attacks of 9/11 and whether or not progress has been made to combat ‘Global Jihadism’ and the attempt to bring cultures and religions together. This week’s panel includes Kemdi Nwosu from California State University at Fullerton, Nico Sapphire from California Lutheran University, and Cameron Hughes from Chapman University. To apply as a panelist click here.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And it's time now for Studio six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is the podcast only version of Studio six forty
the radio show, and this is where we have the
panelists bring us their ideas for topics and they get
to decide what we're going to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And the three ideas that were presented today the life
and career of James Earl Jones.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And the anniversary of the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri.
Talking about a little bit of politics and should prominent
figures use their platform to speak up about these types
of issues, and the nine to eleven anniversary and how
we should not only memorialize the dead, but unite together
(00:41):
to stand against global gihotism. Wow, that's a heck of
a spectrum there, for the life and times of James
Earl Jones to jihotism.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, so what did the panel decide?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
We decided to do the nine to eleven anniversary.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Your topicy is okay, very good, So why don't you
lead off the conversation?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, so, of course, you know, there was just this
past week, and you know, I think it's it's important
every year to honor it and remember and to not
forget and you know, when I was talking to the
guys about off air and kind of why I wanted
to also choose this angle of not only memorializing those
who died, but to you know, unite together and to
(01:24):
stand against I think what this all stems from is
global jihadism. That's what it's called. And you know, it's
this extremism and these extreme Islamic ideas that are completely
against you know, they have a war on all of
our Western the Western world and the Western values right
and all of our rights, you know, right to protest,
(01:45):
be who we are, where what we want, things like that,
and you know, so I think that's that's an even
bigger conversation with this. And so I had seen a video.
You know, there's this nonprofit organization they're called Stand with
Us and they help to fight anti Semitism all the world.
And there was a guy who was a content creator
and he was speaking about this, you know, and he
was talking about a bunch of terrorist attacks, right not
(02:08):
just from nine to eleven until now up until October seventh.
That's we're approaching a year on that. And you know,
again and all the similarities between that and how you know,
we should all of these attacks should help us, I feel,
you know, unite to as I said, stand together against
extreme terrorism and things like that. And so that's kind
(02:30):
of the the angle that I was going with there.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And so if you say that's what we should do,
so you feel like the country's not united against Jehova, well.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, I mean what you look at now, you know,
with Hamas, and there are people that are like supporting
Hamas and and they're saying these these things that are
are you know, pro Hamas almost and and like exciting
with the terrorists, and I don't understand it. And so
that's why, you know, I think, not just from nine eleven,
but you can you can look at what's going on
(03:02):
now and see parallels there. So well what parallels just
people that are are, as I said, siding with the terrorists.
I mean, so there was footage as well that I
had seen of Palestinians actually in the West Bank, and
they were celebrating after nine to eleven, not only nine
to eleven, but also the same way that they celebrated
after October seventh happened.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So that's kind of what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And then there's people that it spreads here to America,
I mean, because you know, when we've talked about we
don't have to go down that route. But a lot
of the protests that are going on here right in
schools and universities in America, and a lot of what
these kids are saying too is you know, they are
in support and they're chanting these things that are are
and you know, in flying flags with terrorist symbols on
(03:46):
them on the flags. And it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So what is the solution, oh man?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The solution I mean, you know, I think organizations like
that and looking at you know, just in informing consumer
you know, and viewers of like and sharing, like I said,
all these parallels and what's going on, you know, and
I don't know, I'm educating more people, I think, And
(04:15):
you know, because I think what's going on in the
Middle East that's you know, has its own a lot
of people are you know, getting into it with each
other about that for other reasons. But this is so
similar to what happened nine eleven and that was here,
you know, and so I think talking about it more
and you know, I think with that to a big
(04:37):
I think red flag that was missed with nine to
eleven obviously now there's much more, uh, you know, protections
and restrictions right with traveling and things like that, because
from what I had found as well, from what I
can recall, you know, there was not enough communication like
that between the FBI and the CIA, and they weren't
communicating that the terrorists al Qaeda, right have committed nine to eleven.
(04:58):
They were taking flying lessons and they were only taking
those lessons to learn how to fly, not to land, right,
And so you know, again, of course there's there's more
security as far as those things go since nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But well, the Apartment of Homeland Security didn't exist until
nine to eleven. That was Department of Homeland Security exists because.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Of nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, TSA exists because of nine to eleven. So and
that's our infrastructure. But then, guys on KEM DCAM do
you weigh in on this? But I understand that. But
what needs to be done or what can be done
given the way our society operates and the way our
government operates, what can be done to unify the country
(05:38):
when it comes to this global jihadism or the fear
of this global jihadism.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I think education is probably the most important thing I myself.
I'll be completely honest. I know very little about the
Middle East or like relations between different like groups and
organizations like that in that area, and I feel like
it'd be very beneficial to maybe teach more about it
in schools or offer more classes about it in colleges
(06:05):
if they don't already.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I'm not aware if there are any.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Right so you know, and an education is usually the
root of all of it when it comes to a
solution of any kind, is educating people on all the
positions and all the sides. Because when you look at
people who protest and I discount. And I don't want
this to come off the wrong way, but most of
the protests that happened on college campuses, I think we're
done by people who did not have a stake.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
In the issue. I think a lot of it was done.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think a lot of it was done because there's
just people out there that just don't like the system
and they're just looking for any reason to protest and
cause trouble. I know this from experience from covering protests
in LA for twenty years. That said, but I think
education is always the foundation to improve anyone's view of
things and at least be tolerant of people's views of things.
(06:54):
But because when you look at people who are protesting,
or you know, who support Hamas or see things from
a different lens, you have to ask yourself what is
it they're seeing that we're not.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And I think you have to ask yourself that. Yeah,
I'm looking at Cam and he looks like he wants
to say something.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
No, I mean, it's obviously such a complicated situation. And
I believe you've gone and talked about the.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Protest before talking about James Earl Jones. Yeah, quite Frankly,
I think I think I want to talk about j Jones.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
This is a very pertinent issue though, and the scope,
the scope of the destruction and loss of life, as
you know, very comparable to tragedies we've had in America
in the past, and you know, being able to put
yourself in the shoes of somebody who's experiencing that, you know,
is very important because a lot of you, as you mentioned, Steve,
(07:48):
a lot of the people here are so far removed
for it and maybe you know, speaking out for for
different reasons, but really being able to understand what's going
on and the rhetoric that these conflicts stem from, so
that maybe we can possibly eliminate future.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, you know another thing, because Steve, you brought up education.
But I also think, you know, I wonder these people
I don't know if I just call them that monsters,
you know, who become terrorists. I mean, of course they
don't start like that, right, don't grow up in the
beginning when they're when they're babies and children. But you know,
(08:29):
how how did they get there?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
And you know, so I wonder the things that they
were told and the things that they were taught to
lead them to, you know, in cite like perform these
these terrorist attacks.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And you're talking from a foreign nation because I think foreign, Yeah,
a foreign terrorist group.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, because I think there needs to be reform and
a lot of it. As I said with global how
does it? You know, it comes from a lot of
these extreme religious extreme Islamic ideas, and I think they're
in that regard. I think there needs to be reform.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So as in with with Islam, we always gonna say
reform where in.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
The religion, I think because that a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
In Islam, there should be a reform in Try pitching
that and see how I know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Know, but yeah, because again and you know, in the
videos that I've seen, in the content I've seen, you know,
of people comparing all of these terrorist attacks a lot
of the times, that is what it stems from.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So I think, you know, obviously, I think world peace
is something we should all strive for.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, I think it's in the time. Even being hokey,
I just think it's something that especially now more than
ever before. But we're also in a really tough time
because how can the United States demand reform from a
religion for one, and for two, how can we go
to another country and tell them they have to treat
(10:13):
us this way? Yeah, We're already known for us being
the big global bully in a lot of ways. We
shell out billions of dollars in aid all over the world.
But we're also a bit of a bully sometimes. And
I think that you know, this is going to have
to be taken care of by individual nations. I don't
(10:35):
think anyone nation can take the lead on this and
be successful. Yeah, of course, I think We've been trying
for decades, right and with no success.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And that sorry, go ahead, okay, you got it, Okay, no,
I was just going to say that. Yeah, I mean
a lot of what these terroristcripts they want to do,
and you know, al Qaida and how else they're no
different and they want that's what they chant, the chant
death to America, death right to everywhere, and so you know,
they they're both terrorist groups, right, And it's crazy sometimes
(11:04):
as I said to hear that, there are people that
don't see that, that see the evil in them. And
you know, I think nine to eleven should be a
reminder to to that they all of these terrorist groups,
they need to just be defeated for everybody to be
free eating.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, when we tried to do that, but then we
got in trouble for trying to do that because we
had bad intel, right auction, right, yeah, WMDs And so
we go ahead, cam.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
As you say, don't think what you're you mentioned earlier,
this is a matter that countries have to resolve on
their own. And that's why a lot of people are
calling for, you know, basically the US to quit their
intervention because we are aid the bully and b that
the aid helper. But and this is why Kamala and
(11:53):
Donald Trump both kind of avoided taking aside is because
you know, that's telling what do they know about Islam
and Judaism and how these countries have been you know,
sparring for so long, and it eventually something's got to
get figured out. But it's I don't think it's our
(12:13):
job to be that person or be that that entity
that you know, intervenes.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And if a country doesn't want to like us, that's fine.
I mean, we we're not going to be loved by
every country.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, but you know, we do have to have to
do something, if like, to protect ourselves, if we're going
to send these terrorist yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That's fine, and so we do that.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We're doing the best we can where whether it's creating
the Department of Homeland Security or you know, having you know,
some of the best military you know on the on
the planet. But it's sad that we have to look
at it that way. But you know, to Cam's point,
we can't expect everyone to love us, and we can't
force them to love us. And people are gonna hate us,
(12:54):
and they're going to hate what we do, they hate
our policies. The thing that bothers me is when people
come over here and and they bring that ideology with
them and a country that has been pretty good to them.
You know, that's why people come here. They want a
better life, and they turned that around, and then all
of a sudden they're trying to indoctrinate us into those ideologies.
(13:15):
And I think that's a bit dangerous. I mean, especially
when people are you know, and as we speak, you know,
there are people trying to figure out ways to bring
us down that are living here in the country. And
domestic terrorism, let's not forget that. I mean, it's not
just all global jihotism, you know we I mean, Timothy McVay,
there's plenty of people here, born, raised and bred here
(13:37):
that want to see us in So I think it's
more of a human condition than it is anything.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But and then the indoctrination, too, is a big.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Part of it. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I remember NPR did an amazing series. I was a
reporter got to go attend to Ku Klux Klan rally
in I believe it was in Indiana, in the Midwest,
and the reporter was allowed access into this sort of
convention I guess you will for lack of a better world.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I'm trying to remember what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It was a gathering, convention of some kind and because
I was judging it for the Murow Awards and I
was listening to this thing, I was just so enthralled
and captivated. And this reporter is asking the questions, and
reporter did an amazing job being very objective and asking
very pertinent questions. And when you listen to this and
they're talking about what they stand for and what they do,
(14:34):
they truly believe they're on.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
The right side of everything.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And they when you listen to what they're talking about,
I mean, it's pretty interesting to listen to it. But
you're sitting there going but yeah, but historically this is
a really bad group. This is not a good group.
But you're listening to this and there's that enclave of
people who still believe that's the right way to do things.
So where do you change all that? And the reason
(15:00):
I brought that up because you're talking about indoctrination, because
they were the reporter. There were sound of kids, little
children running around at these events, and these children are
being indoctrinated into this, and I'm wondering, You've got to
stop the stem of that. You've got to stop that
somewhere if you're ever going to make it work for everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But that is never going to happen in my lifetime.
I don't think that's ever going to happen in my lifetime.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
In America and specific we have in the Constitution freedom
of religion.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's written right there.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
But if you grow up in an environment like that,
you know, and all you're told for your entire life
is that one way is the right way?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Are you really free?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah? And it's being told that a certain group of
people are terrible and you should, you know, go and
kill them. That's what a lot of these terrorists they learn.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Freedom of religion. But the thing that are founding fathers
left out of that is which religion?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
See, the thing is the Bill of Rights, the Constitution,
all of that is long, and the Bible and the
Koran is all interpretive.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And these are all religions of peace. Islam is a
religion of peace specific groups. Because what the Ku Kux
Klan was founded as I don't want to say this
is fact, but I believe it was founded as a
Christian group. You know, Christianity has been used to say,
you know, you know, but you know a lot of
(16:21):
these religions as well. They are weaponized against the LGBTQ community,
and it's harder to go in and ask people to
change the religion because the nature of the religion, that's
not what it is. All you have to ask the
people and the groups to be better for humanity.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And it is it is extreme religion too, though it's
the idea it's taken to an extreme.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well yeah, it's taken to an extreme, but the religion
is He's right, you know, Islam is a religion of
peace by design, but it's but people take it and
manipulate it and bastardize it and make it into something
that it's not or make it into something that wasn't intended.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But again it's all interpretive.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And to his point, freedom of religion, Well, my religion
is your religion any better than my religion? You know,
you shouldn't really be encroaching on my religion, even though
I might, you know, worship something different than you do.
But that's what makes us a beautiful country and what
and it's what makes us a very frustrating country.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right, So absolutely, any.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
More thoughts on global gihotism or should we just talk
about James Earl Jones. It seems like you want to well,
it's just that it makes me more comfortable to talk
about James Earl Jones and global jihotism.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But it's an important topic and I get it. I
understand it.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And if if I think any of us had a
magic wand we would do it, use it and make everyone.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Love everyone, but that ain't gonna happen, sadly.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So yeah, because I just think nine eleven, you know,
it's a good reminder and I think it brings that
to light and to just stand against terrorism.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
To put it simply, I covered the one year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I was down in the pit and I remember sitting
there and chairs along with my colleagues, and they came
up that it was the first year and they were
trying to figure out how to commemorate the loss, and
that's when they decided to read the names of all
the had died and ring the bell for him. And
I'll never forget that. Does anyone know this? It was
(18:17):
eight thirty eight that morning or eight thirty seven when
the first plane hit. It was something along those lines,
and I'll never forget. We were sitting there and it
was just cold, cold morning and we're all sitting with
our coats on and then calm, quiet, and then this
gust of cold air right at eight thirty eight just came.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And blew right through.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Wow, and we all thought to ourselves, this was a
very powerful moment. And then they read the names of
the dead, and then we thought, you know, to me,
I will never forget this moment as long as I live.
And it was a good reminder of how vulnerable we
are and how complacent we got. And I think that
was a big wake up call for us. Have said
(19:00):
that we have fallen.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Back into that again. We've become very complacent.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
We need to be more judicious, and people need to
be more vigilant. But then when you do and you
go too far, then people get upset too. Yeah, everybody
can't make everyone happen. So unless you guys got any more, Oh, Cam,
you got that look on your face, You got that
look on your face.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Well, I was going to ask, as you said, you
were covering the one year anniversary of the what two
thousand and one? Yeah, so you were doing journalism at
like what age?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Fourteen? Fifteen?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Listen, I just talked about my heart attack. Do you
think do you know how old I was my AI
heart attack?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
How old was I?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That was I was working in Phoenix at the time
for the company. I was a correspondent there, so yeah,
that would have been.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
How old was I. Well, let's just say I was
older than you. I was a little older than you.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But yeah, but that was I mean, I'll never forget
flying there in the back then the rules, they gave
you a time zone or I mean a timeframe.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
The pilot came on.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I remember flying in on final approach to JFK and
the pilot came on and said, ladies and gentlemen, please
take your seats. No one is allowed to get up
in the thirty minutes before landing.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
As so can I ask? As you were flying there
in such close vicinity to the tragedy, were you in
your head thinking about, you know, all the ways that
something like this could happen again. You know, all people
are just bringing their briefcases straight on.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
No, because there was I mean, that was the best
time to fly. Yeah, it was the most It was
the most secure ever it was. There was more security
than ever And now we've had to lighten that security
up now because AI is starting to play a role
in security. Facial recognition, you know, the liquid band and
all that stuff. A lot of it was theater. A
(20:54):
lot of what we do is theater at the just
give people that sort of comfort. But yeah, no, I
was not the slightest bit afraid or nervous. In fact,
I kept thinking to myself, this is the best time
to fly. But when the pilot said thirty minutes, no
one can get up.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's a federal.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Violation to get out of your seat thirty minutes before
landing in New York.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That was bizarre to me. So but with that always
a pleasure. See y'all later.
And it's time now for Studio six forty.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
This is the podcast only version of Studio six forty
the radio show, and this is where we have the
panelists bring us their ideas for topics and they get
to decide what we're going to discuss.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And the three ideas that were presented today the life
and career of James Earl Jones.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And the anniversary of the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri.
Talking about a little bit of politics and should prominent
figures use their platform to speak up about these types
of issues, and the nine to eleven anniversary and how
we should not only memorialize the dead, but unite together
(00:41):
to stand against global gihotism. Wow, that's a heck of
a spectrum there, for the life and times of James
Earl Jones to jihotism.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, so what did the panel decide?
Speaker 3 (00:55):
We decided to do the nine to eleven anniversary.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Your topicy is okay, very good, So why don't you
lead off the conversation?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Yeah, so, of course, you know, there was just this
past week, and you know, I think it's it's important
every year to honor it and remember and to not
forget and you know, when I was talking to the
guys about off air and kind of why I wanted
to also choose this angle of not only memorializing those
who died, but to you know, unite together and to
(01:24):
stand against I think what this all stems from is
global jihadism. That's what it's called. And you know, it's
this extremism and these extreme Islamic ideas that are completely
against you know, they have a war on all of
our Western the Western world and the Western values right
and all of our rights, you know, right to protest,
(01:45):
be who we are, where what we want, things like that,
and you know, so I think that's that's an even
bigger conversation with this. And so I had seen a video.
You know, there's this nonprofit organization they're called Stand with
Us and they help to fight anti Semitism all the world.
And there was a guy who was a content creator
and he was speaking about this, you know, and he
was talking about a bunch of terrorist attacks, right not
(02:08):
just from nine to eleven until now up until October seventh.
That's we're approaching a year on that. And you know,
again and all the similarities between that and how you know,
we should all of these attacks should help us, I feel,
you know, unite to as I said, stand together against
extreme terrorism and things like that. And so that's kind
(02:30):
of the the angle that I was going with there.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
And so if you say that's what we should do,
so you feel like the country's not united against Jehova, well.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, I mean what you look at now, you know,
with Hamas, and there are people that are like supporting
Hamas and and they're saying these these things that are
are you know, pro Hamas almost and and like exciting
with the terrorists, and I don't understand it. And so
that's why, you know, I think, not just from nine eleven,
but you can you can look at what's going on
(03:02):
now and see parallels there. So well what parallels just
people that are are, as I said, siding with the terrorists.
I mean, so there was footage as well that I
had seen of Palestinians actually in the West Bank, and
they were celebrating after nine to eleven, not only nine
to eleven, but also the same way that they celebrated
after October seventh happened.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
So that's kind of what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
And then there's people that it spreads here to America,
I mean, because you know, when we've talked about we
don't have to go down that route. But a lot
of the protests that are going on here right in
schools and universities in America, and a lot of what
these kids are saying too is you know, they are
in support and they're chanting these things that are are
and you know, in flying flags with terrorist symbols on
(03:46):
them on the flags. And it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
So what is the solution, oh man?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The solution I mean, you know, I think organizations like
that and looking at you know, just in informing consumer
you know, and viewers of like and sharing, like I said,
all these parallels and what's going on, you know, and
I don't know, I'm educating more people, I think, And
(04:15):
you know, because I think what's going on in the
Middle East that's you know, has its own a lot
of people are you know, getting into it with each
other about that for other reasons. But this is so
similar to what happened nine eleven and that was here,
you know, and so I think talking about it more
and you know, I think with that to a big
(04:37):
I think red flag that was missed with nine to
eleven obviously now there's much more, uh, you know, protections
and restrictions right with traveling and things like that, because
from what I had found as well, from what I
can recall, you know, there was not enough communication like
that between the FBI and the CIA, and they weren't
communicating that the terrorists al Qaeda, right have committed nine to eleven.
(04:58):
They were taking flying lessons and they were only taking
those lessons to learn how to fly, not to land, right,
And so you know, again, of course there's there's more
security as far as those things go since nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
But well, the Apartment of Homeland Security didn't exist until
nine to eleven. That was Department of Homeland Security exists because.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Of nine to eleven.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, TSA exists because of nine to eleven. So and
that's our infrastructure. But then, guys on KEM DCAM do
you weigh in on this? But I understand that. But
what needs to be done or what can be done
given the way our society operates and the way our
government operates, what can be done to unify the country
(05:38):
when it comes to this global jihadism or the fear
of this global jihadism.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
I think education is probably the most important thing I myself.
I'll be completely honest. I know very little about the
Middle East or like relations between different like groups and
organizations like that in that area, and I feel like
it'd be very beneficial to maybe teach more about it
in schools or offer more classes about it in colleges
(06:05):
if they don't already.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I'm not aware if there are any.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Right so you know, and an education is usually the
root of all of it when it comes to a
solution of any kind, is educating people on all the
positions and all the sides. Because when you look at
people who protest and I discount. And I don't want
this to come off the wrong way, but most of
the protests that happened on college campuses, I think we're
done by people who did not have a stake.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
In the issue. I think a lot of it was done.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I think a lot of it was done because there's
just people out there that just don't like the system
and they're just looking for any reason to protest and
cause trouble. I know this from experience from covering protests
in LA for twenty years. That said, but I think
education is always the foundation to improve anyone's view of
things and at least be tolerant of people's views of things.
(06:54):
But because when you look at people who are protesting,
or you know, who support Hamas or see things from
a different lens, you have to ask yourself what is
it they're seeing that we're not.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And I think you have to ask yourself that. Yeah,
I'm looking at Cam and he looks like he wants
to say something.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
No, I mean, it's obviously such a complicated situation. And
I believe you've gone and talked about the.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Protest before talking about James Earl Jones. Yeah, quite Frankly,
I think I think I want to talk about j Jones.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
This is a very pertinent issue though, and the scope,
the scope of the destruction and loss of life, as
you know, very comparable to tragedies we've had in America
in the past, and you know, being able to put
yourself in the shoes of somebody who's experiencing that, you know,
is very important because a lot of you, as you mentioned, Steve,
(07:48):
a lot of the people here are so far removed
for it and maybe you know, speaking out for for
different reasons, but really being able to understand what's going
on and the rhetoric that these conflicts stem from, so
that maybe we can possibly eliminate future.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, you know another thing, because Steve, you brought up education.
But I also think, you know, I wonder these people
I don't know if I just call them that monsters,
you know, who become terrorists. I mean, of course they
don't start like that, right, don't grow up in the
beginning when they're when they're babies and children. But you know,
(08:29):
how how did they get there?
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:32):
And you know, so I wonder the things that they
were told and the things that they were taught to
lead them to, you know, in cite like perform these
these terrorist attacks.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And you're talking from a foreign nation because I think foreign, Yeah,
a foreign terrorist group.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, because I think there needs to be reform and
a lot of it. As I said with global how
does it? You know, it comes from a lot of
these extreme religious extreme Islamic ideas, and I think they're
in that regard. I think there needs to be reform.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
So as in with with Islam, we always gonna say
reform where in.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
The religion, I think because that a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
In Islam, there should be a reform in Try pitching
that and see how I know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Know, but yeah, because again and you know, in the
videos that I've seen, in the content I've seen, you know,
of people comparing all of these terrorist attacks a lot
of the times, that is what it stems from.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So I think, you know, obviously, I think world peace
is something we should all strive for.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I mean, I think it's in the time. Even being hokey,
I just think it's something that especially now more than
ever before. But we're also in a really tough time
because how can the United States demand reform from a
religion for one, and for two, how can we go
to another country and tell them they have to treat
(10:13):
us this way? Yeah, We're already known for us being
the big global bully in a lot of ways. We
shell out billions of dollars in aid all over the world.
But we're also a bit of a bully sometimes. And
I think that you know, this is going to have
to be taken care of by individual nations. I don't
(10:35):
think anyone nation can take the lead on this and
be successful. Yeah, of course, I think We've been trying
for decades, right and with no success.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And that sorry, go ahead, okay, you got it, Okay, no,
I was just going to say that. Yeah, I mean
a lot of what these terroristcripts they want to do,
and you know, al Qaida and how else they're no
different and they want that's what they chant, the chant
death to America, death right to everywhere, and so you know,
they they're both terrorist groups, right, And it's crazy sometimes
(11:04):
as I said to hear that, there are people that
don't see that, that see the evil in them. And
you know, I think nine to eleven should be a
reminder to to that they all of these terrorist groups,
they need to just be defeated for everybody to be
free eating.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, when we tried to do that, but then we
got in trouble for trying to do that because we
had bad intel, right auction, right, yeah, WMDs And so
we go ahead, cam.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
As you say, don't think what you're you mentioned earlier,
this is a matter that countries have to resolve on
their own. And that's why a lot of people are
calling for, you know, basically the US to quit their
intervention because we are aid the bully and b that
the aid helper. But and this is why Kamala and
(11:53):
Donald Trump both kind of avoided taking aside is because
you know, that's telling what do they know about Islam
and Judaism and how these countries have been you know,
sparring for so long, and it eventually something's got to
get figured out. But it's I don't think it's our
(12:13):
job to be that person or be that that entity
that you know, intervenes.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And if a country doesn't want to like us, that's fine.
I mean, we we're not going to be loved by
every country.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, but you know, we do have to have to
do something, if like, to protect ourselves, if we're going
to send these terrorist yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
That's fine, and so we do that.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We're doing the best we can where whether it's creating
the Department of Homeland Security or you know, having you know,
some of the best military you know on the on
the planet. But it's sad that we have to look
at it that way. But you know, to Cam's point,
we can't expect everyone to love us, and we can't
force them to love us. And people are gonna hate us,
(12:54):
and they're going to hate what we do, they hate
our policies. The thing that bothers me is when people
come over here and and they bring that ideology with
them and a country that has been pretty good to them.
You know, that's why people come here. They want a
better life, and they turned that around, and then all
of a sudden they're trying to indoctrinate us into those ideologies.
(13:15):
And I think that's a bit dangerous. I mean, especially
when people are you know, and as we speak, you know,
there are people trying to figure out ways to bring
us down that are living here in the country. And
domestic terrorism, let's not forget that. I mean, it's not
just all global jihotism, you know we I mean, Timothy McVay,
there's plenty of people here, born, raised and bred here
(13:37):
that want to see us in So I think it's
more of a human condition than it is anything.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
But and then the indoctrination, too, is a big.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Part of it. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I remember NPR did an amazing series. I was a
reporter got to go attend to Ku Klux Klan rally
in I believe it was in Indiana, in the Midwest,
and the reporter was allowed access into this sort of
convention I guess you will for lack of a better world.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
I'm trying to remember what it was.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
It was a gathering, convention of some kind and because
I was judging it for the Murow Awards and I
was listening to this thing, I was just so enthralled
and captivated. And this reporter is asking the questions, and
reporter did an amazing job being very objective and asking
very pertinent questions. And when you listen to this and
they're talking about what they stand for and what they do,
(14:34):
they truly believe they're on.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
The right side of everything.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
And they when you listen to what they're talking about,
I mean, it's pretty interesting to listen to it. But
you're sitting there going but yeah, but historically this is
a really bad group. This is not a good group.
But you're listening to this and there's that enclave of
people who still believe that's the right way to do things.
So where do you change all that? And the reason
(15:00):
I brought that up because you're talking about indoctrination, because
they were the reporter. There were sound of kids, little
children running around at these events, and these children are
being indoctrinated into this, and I'm wondering, You've got to
stop the stem of that. You've got to stop that
somewhere if you're ever going to make it work for everybody.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
But that is never going to happen in my lifetime.
I don't think that's ever going to happen in my lifetime.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
In America and specific we have in the Constitution freedom
of religion.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
It's written right there.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
But if you grow up in an environment like that,
you know, and all you're told for your entire life
is that one way is the right way?
Speaker 1 (15:35):
Are you really free?
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah? And it's being told that a certain group of
people are terrible and you should, you know, go and
kill them. That's what a lot of these terrorists they learn.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Freedom of religion. But the thing that are founding fathers
left out of that is which religion?
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
See, the thing is the Bill of Rights, the Constitution,
all of that is long, and the Bible and the
Koran is all interpretive.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And these are all religions of peace. Islam is a
religion of peace specific groups. Because what the Ku Kux
Klan was founded as I don't want to say this
is fact, but I believe it was founded as a
Christian group. You know, Christianity has been used to say,
you know, you know, but you know a lot of
(16:21):
these religions as well. They are weaponized against the LGBTQ community,
and it's harder to go in and ask people to
change the religion because the nature of the religion, that's
not what it is. All you have to ask the
people and the groups to be better for humanity.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
You know.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
And it is it is extreme religion too, though it's
the idea it's taken to an extreme.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Well yeah, it's taken to an extreme, but the religion
is He's right, you know, Islam is a religion of
peace by design, but it's but people take it and
manipulate it and bastardize it and make it into something
that it's not or make it into something that wasn't intended.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But again it's all interpretive.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
And to his point, freedom of religion, Well, my religion
is your religion any better than my religion? You know,
you shouldn't really be encroaching on my religion, even though
I might, you know, worship something different than you do.
But that's what makes us a beautiful country and what
and it's what makes us a very frustrating country.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Right, So absolutely, any.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
More thoughts on global gihotism or should we just talk
about James Earl Jones. It seems like you want to well,
it's just that it makes me more comfortable to talk
about James Earl Jones and global jihotism.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
But it's an important topic and I get it. I
understand it.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And if if I think any of us had a
magic wand we would do it, use it and make everyone.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Love everyone, but that ain't gonna happen, sadly.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
So yeah, because I just think nine eleven, you know,
it's a good reminder and I think it brings that
to light and to just stand against terrorism.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
To put it simply, I covered the one year anniversary.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I was down in the pit and I remember sitting
there and chairs along with my colleagues, and they came
up that it was the first year and they were
trying to figure out how to commemorate the loss, and
that's when they decided to read the names of all
the had died and ring the bell for him. And
I'll never forget that. Does anyone know this? It was
(18:17):
eight thirty eight that morning or eight thirty seven when
the first plane hit. It was something along those lines,
and I'll never forget. We were sitting there and it
was just cold, cold morning and we're all sitting with
our coats on and then calm, quiet, and then this
gust of cold air right at eight thirty eight just came.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And blew right through.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Wow, and we all thought to ourselves, this was a
very powerful moment. And then they read the names of
the dead, and then we thought, you know, to me,
I will never forget this moment as long as I live.
And it was a good reminder of how vulnerable we
are and how complacent we got. And I think that
was a big wake up call for us. Have said
(19:00):
that we have fallen.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Back into that again. We've become very complacent.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
We need to be more judicious, and people need to
be more vigilant. But then when you do and you
go too far, then people get upset too. Yeah, everybody
can't make everyone happen. So unless you guys got any more, Oh, Cam,
you got that look on your face, You got that
look on your face.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
No.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Well, I was going to ask, as you said, you
were covering the one year anniversary of the what two
thousand and one? Yeah, so you were doing journalism at
like what age?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Fourteen? Fifteen?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Listen, I just talked about my heart attack. Do you
think do you know how old I was my AI
heart attack?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
No?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
How old was I?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
That was I was working in Phoenix at the time
for the company. I was a correspondent there, so yeah,
that would have been.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
How old was I. Well, let's just say I was
older than you. I was a little older than you.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
But yeah, but that was I mean, I'll never forget
flying there in the back then the rules, they gave
you a time zone or I mean a timeframe.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
The pilot came on.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
I remember flying in on final approach to JFK and
the pilot came on and said, ladies and gentlemen, please
take your seats. No one is allowed to get up
in the thirty minutes before landing.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
As so can I ask? As you were flying there
in such close vicinity to the tragedy, were you in
your head thinking about, you know, all the ways that
something like this could happen again. You know, all people
are just bringing their briefcases straight on.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
No, because there was I mean, that was the best
time to fly. Yeah, it was the most It was
the most secure ever it was. There was more security
than ever And now we've had to lighten that security
up now because AI is starting to play a role
in security. Facial recognition, you know, the liquid band and
all that stuff. A lot of it was theater. A
(20:54):
lot of what we do is theater at the just
give people that sort of comfort. But yeah, no, I
was not the slightest bit afraid or nervous. In fact,
I kept thinking to myself, this is the best time
to fly. But when the pilot said thirty minutes, no
one can get up.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
It's a federal.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Violation to get out of your seat thirty minutes before
landing in New York.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
That was bizarre to me. So but with that always
a pleasure. See y'all later.
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