September 22, 2024 • 15 mins
In this special podcast-only version of S640, the panel of student sports journalists looks at how gender has played a role in college athletics. From funding to competitive weight and gender classes, gender equity has become more topical than ever. The panel is Jorge Montiel and Max Weiland from Arizona State University, along with Bryan Chavez from California State University at Long Beach.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, so now we've wrapped up the radio show, it's
time to talk a little bit about some gender equity.
We're still on the topic of college sports, and joining
us are our three student sports journalists, Ordey Montil from ASU,
Max Wiland from ASU, and Brian Chavez from cal State
Long Beach. Guys, if we had a great conversation on
the radio side, I just thought there was some really
(00:21):
interesting stuff, and you guys have some really interesting perspectives.
I'll be anxious to see how your coverage is in
the coming school year. I'm really curious not to read
your stories, just to see where you're going to be
going with some of your stuff. But the one thing
we didn't really get to in the radio show was
gender equity. And I'm the first thing that I think
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of is men's soccer and how extraordinarily high their pay is,
but they don't perform as well. Right, we're talking about
US soccer.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What do you mean they'll well, I mean entertainment.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, I mean, let's say where I'm headed is like
the women's soccer.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh, okay, like they have more you know, women's World Cups,
and right, yeah, well, I think it's also has to
do with the competition. I think the competition in women's
soccer is a lot there's a big gap between the
stars and just and any other player, when in men's soccer,
well not just not just you, the US barely starting
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to pick up some stride and becoming a better team.
I guess you could say, uh, but it's there's the
competition is just a lot more. There's just a lot there's.
The competition is not as you know, it's closer. It's closer.
It's just very narrow.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
But I'm always reminded of this statement that people make,
why don't women's soccer players make as much as men's
soccer players.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I don't. I mean, it has to do with the
I'm pretty sure it has to do with the viewership.
Not a lot of people watch women's soccer. Did you
know that there's a women's soccer team in LA?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I did, actually, okay, yeah, And the only reason I
remember is there was a press release I remember seeing
once and I thought to myself, I didn't know that
because I didn't know LA had a soccer team for
the longest time, the Galaxy, I didn't know that for
the longest time.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You know, there's two.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
There's two. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Oh, I didn't know that LAFC Wilfare owns.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh, that's okay, I've heard of that. I didn't know
that was a secondary team. Oh for some reason I
thought they were the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, yeah, there's so there's yeah, there's two.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
LA Football Club. Right, that's okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, you see that.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Like I said, there's not that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
There's not much coverage on the women's soccer. So maybe
just put a little bit more money in there and
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
How how important is I know this is going to
be a really loaded question. How important is women's athletics
to a college?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
I think it's becoming increasingly more important as the years
go by because the women's like basketball teams, like they've
had an exponential increase in viewership. We're talking about like
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the viewership was up two hundred and eighty five percent
from two years ago to now.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The game seven of this.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Conference for the women's Final literally increased two hundred and
eighty five percent from twenty twenty two. That beat the
game seven of the twenty nineteen World Series. So now
it's beating records of the pre pandemic records of sports.
It beat most of the NFL games. There was only
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fifteen NFL games within the last year that had more
viewership than the women's basketball final.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So it's it's increasingly important.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
And you know, I appreciate you talking about the viewership
and all that, and you do have a point, but
the thing is whise of viewership so low. You kind
of touched on it based on the money. There's not
a lot of coverage on it because the networks automatically
assume what the audience wants, like, oh, we want we
want men. The audience is going to want to see
the men more than the women, when when in fact
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it's these kinds of statistics that are improving that untrue.
More people want to watch women's sports, and maybe the
physicality of some of these sports we're talking about aren't
as high as the men, but you have a growing
population of women in this country that want to play
sports and they want to do it at a high level. Now,
as far as the World Cup goes, look United States,
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when it comes to sports, we're obsessed with one thing
that's winning.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Everybody wants to see a winner.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, according to our last conversation was money, Well, well.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
We're talking about like as far as the.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Fans go, fans, sure, yeah, as far as the fans go,
they want to see winners, and the United States women's
national team does a way better.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Job of that than the men.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
And it is true that the men's team has competition
like Spain and Brazil and all that, but I mean
the the final that was that determined the winner of
the World Cup for the women's you know team, they
beat Brazil one to nothing.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
It was close.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
It wasn't five zero four to two. It was a
close game. So the competition is appropriate to watch. It's competitive.
And we've been talking forever about the soccer players, you know,
getting tapped on the knee, falling over, rolling down the
hill or whatever. Women's the women's players don't do that
as much. I see they're not. They got there to play.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Those guys out there I can't get I can't get
over there, believe me either. It just makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But so when it comes to the college athletic programs,
you know, Title nine was a big that was a
big issue because that that was really something that had
to open some doors. It forced colleges on a federal
level to say, you will give equal time, you will
give equal resources and attention to female athletes. Are you
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seeing a bigger surge in interest in female athletics in
your colleges.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I don't know about ASU, because our women's basketball team
some had like one of the worst seasons ever, so
there really wasn't like a bit. I don't think they
won a game in the league last year.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, our school not so much. But overall I am
seeing a bunch.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
I mean, like I said, eighteen point nine million people
tuned in on the college.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Well, I think it stems down to you. You had
a good point about winning. Obviously team people are gonna
want to watch winning teams, But it comes down to showtime.
It was Kaitlyn Clark. Let's call it how it is.
Kaitlyn Clark put on women's bas I think she did
more for the sport than any anyone else. She's like
the lebron even before the doctor j of Like, that's
(07:00):
really how it is. And now you see the success
following her into the WNBA and with people that left
with her, with Angel Reese, and now there's a legitimate rivalry.
There's a reason to watch.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Why can't why can't we use the culture embrace the
w NBA like we do the NBA.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
It's because it's it's this is decades, it's a programming.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
It's going to take time to sort of reverse this.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
How long has the WNBA been around? Long time? How
long is it going to take?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
But the but the opportunities to be showcased at the
same level as the NBA have not followed the same
amount of years.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It's just been the last ten years where it's really
gotten attention.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, Brian, since you've been over there sitting quietly, I'm
going to ask you this one. Transgender in sports on colleges? Now,
are you seeing that? Are you experiencing that?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And what are your views not experiencing it? And I hope,
honestly hopefully no one takes offense to this. I just
really hope that I don't get to experience it. At
the core nature of sports, it's supposed to be a
fair fight, right. I don't want to see someone who
used to be a man compete with women. Of course,
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there's going to be a huge gap in their physical
abilities and how they're going to be able to compete.
I don't like it. I'm not a big fan of it.
I don't want to see it and I disagree with
everything about it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, don't you think, And as we were talking about
on the radio show, with California being the way it is,
don't you think I keep seeing that that is a
concern for college campuses in California. Does anyone in the
room remember an instance where that has become an issue now,
where someone who is claiming to be another or different
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gender wanting to compete in a opposite gender sport.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I hear it all the time, not locally, but not nationally.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So we don't know if anything in California that's happening
there right I know, But what do you think of
college's liability or responsibility is if someone presents themselves as
a gender that's opposite of their birth gender and they
want to compete in that said sport.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's going to have to come down to the administration,
and if they allow it to happen, we have to
do our part and voice it. I mean, if you're
for it, you're for it. I respect it. I don't
think many people are. I think people are afraid to
use that voice. They don't they're afraid to get canceled,
they're afraid to be put to the side. But No,
(09:37):
I don't think it should be like that. I think
we should voice the way we feel and we should
go against it. If that's what you believe in.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
It surprises me. It seems like a lot more women
are for it. I was at a get together with
some friends and we were talking about this and I
was talking to some girls and they were like, you're
probably against it, and I was like, well, yeah, aren't you.
And you know they call themselves feminist. As a girl,
I would think if I'm working super hard to try
and be a champion or the top at a certain
sport and I get beat out by a man, I'm
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gonna be like, that's so unfair. He wouldn't place top
ten and men's but he beats like he gets to
come here and compete and win, Like I put in
all this work, it gets basically cheated out of it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Wasn't that the case of a swimmer, Wasn't there a swimmer?
Wasn't that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Leah Thomas, Yeah, a male swimmer from Pennsylvania was applauded
after winning the NCAA Women's championship in the five hundred
yard freestyle.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, and the and the woman he beat apparently went
on the circuit complaining about it, right.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And she didn't get any any light or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I just don't understand if you guys now sports journalists,
and you know you've got a couple of years to
go before you're out there getting paid to do it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But how do you see this evolving.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
If we don't say, if we don't voice what we
believe in, it's gonna happen and happen what's already happening
because we're not doing our part. And you know, it's
just tough because again, it's not about it's not about
the fear of being canceled. I mean personally, I really
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I don't want to be that person to hurt their feelings. Really,
I don't want it's not about getting canceled. It's just
I don't want to I don't want to see but
I don't want to see a.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Man play with What is it you want to say, Brian.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I don't want to see that.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, we have to do our part and voice it.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Let me get just let me just cut in here
if I can you talk about canceling and I don't
really give a rats behind about that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We're on a podcast now, you can say rats ass.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Yeah, I don't give a rats ass, because look, we
have to tell we have to tell it like it is,
because this isn't just in swimming. It's pretty swimming. It's
gonna be freaking rugby baseball. The whole nine is just
ridiculous softball, it's it's going to go across the board golf.
And we have to explain why this is a problem. Okay,
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And I'll tell you a funny story from Donald Trump.
And usually you know he brings up lives or whatever,
but no, this is true. It's happened.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
There is this female weightlifter.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I don't know her name, but she was working really
hard training season in season, not trying to break the
world record for women's She goes up there, tries to
do her best, close to it, just can't do it.
Business guy comes along, didn't crack top ten, nobody knew
who he was whatever. He changes his name to Sally,
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what's on a wig, goes to the same amount of
weight lifts it no problem.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
He broke the record by three.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Hundred pounds something like that, and it's just ridiculous. Look,
and the reason why Max, I think some of your
friends are so adamant about having this happen is because
they're so stuck in this world of inclusivity and they
don't see what they're sacrificing. It's not gonna because I'm
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a big believer in people don't care until it affects
them directly. So when they have a friend up there
and they're playing soccer or whatever and then this six
foot one, you know individual comes in, bam, runs into
them and they go flying off the sidelines, they're not
going to care. So and if we're so adamant about
being inclusive, look, this is a time of age where
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everything is. If you have a belief and if you
have funding behind it, it's going to happen. Get their
own league, Get the transgenders their own league. I don't
know what's so wrong about that.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Well, for the same reason that the WNBA was struggling
for years, because you said it to yourself that they
won't have the same audience, they won't have the same reach.
So the thing is is that you know how people
are now. If they were to do their own as
you suggested, transgender league, they would want instantaneous TV rights,
they would want all the same coverage, They would want
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all the same attention and not have to wait twenty
years to get it. If that's how it would be,
because we're in a very entitled society.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Now they got to find they're Kaitlin Clark right away.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Right right. Yeah, So I'll tell you something.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
You guys have your work cut out for you, you know,
trying to cover these topics, unless, of course, you just
stick to wrestling. I think that was your big thing, right, Wrestling.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, wrestling is a big thing.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's can you imagine it has that is that encroached
into that yet? Into professional wrestling.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
The WWE has been very adamant about keeping men and
men's divisions and women's and women's divisions. We've had like
you know, gay wrestlers and stuff like that be on
the programming. That's a different thing.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
It's inclusive in that way. But as far as like
the physical aspect of it in a match.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So is there a policy that says a man of
biological male that wants to wrestle as a female cannot
do that?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I don't know if there's a policy.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
What I can tell you this is Tyler Rex who's
who was a man ten years ago. He recently had
a transference, if that's what it's called, an operation making
him into a woman. Tried to come back to the WWE,
and there was pictures of him heading into the headquarters whatever.
They had a meeting whatever. Didn't hear word one about it.
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If he did sign a deal and it was official,
they would report it immediately, But he walked out with
his bags, wasn't seen or heard from again. So that
tells me that WWE is at least not right now
looking for that.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
They're not allowing.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Men to fight, or biological men to fight, or wrestle
women's wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Interesting, well, fellas, thanks again, good stuff. I wish you
all the very best, and again I'm anxious to see
how some of your coverage evolves over the next year
or so. So thanks again for being here.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Thank you,
Okay, so now we've wrapped up the radio show, it's
time to talk a little bit about some gender equity.
We're still on the topic of college sports, and joining
us are our three student sports journalists, Ordey Montil from ASU,
Max Wiland from ASU, and Brian Chavez from cal State
Long Beach. Guys, if we had a great conversation on
the radio side, I just thought there was some really
(00:21):
interesting stuff, and you guys have some really interesting perspectives.
I'll be anxious to see how your coverage is in
the coming school year. I'm really curious not to read
your stories, just to see where you're going to be
going with some of your stuff. But the one thing
we didn't really get to in the radio show was
gender equity. And I'm the first thing that I think
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of is men's soccer and how extraordinarily high their pay is,
but they don't perform as well. Right, we're talking about
US soccer.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What do you mean they'll well, I mean entertainment.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Well, I mean, let's say where I'm headed is like
the women's soccer.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Oh, okay, like they have more you know, women's World Cups,
and right, yeah, well, I think it's also has to
do with the competition. I think the competition in women's
soccer is a lot there's a big gap between the
stars and just and any other player, when in men's soccer,
well not just not just you, the US barely starting
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to pick up some stride and becoming a better team.
I guess you could say, uh, but it's there's the
competition is just a lot more. There's just a lot there's.
The competition is not as you know, it's closer. It's closer.
It's just very narrow.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
But I'm always reminded of this statement that people make,
why don't women's soccer players make as much as men's
soccer players.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I don't. I mean, it has to do with the
I'm pretty sure it has to do with the viewership.
Not a lot of people watch women's soccer. Did you
know that there's a women's soccer team in LA?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I did, actually, okay, yeah, And the only reason I
remember is there was a press release I remember seeing
once and I thought to myself, I didn't know that
because I didn't know LA had a soccer team for
the longest time, the Galaxy, I didn't know that for
the longest time.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
You know, there's two.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
There's two. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Oh, I didn't know that LAFC Wilfare owns.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh, that's okay, I've heard of that. I didn't know
that was a secondary team. Oh for some reason I
thought they were the same thing.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No, yeah, there's so there's yeah, there's two.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
LA Football Club. Right, that's okay, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, you see that.
Speaker 5 (02:33):
Like I said, there's not that.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
There's not much coverage on the women's soccer. So maybe
just put a little bit more money in there and
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
How how important is I know this is going to
be a really loaded question. How important is women's athletics
to a college?
Speaker 6 (02:55):
I think it's becoming increasingly more important as the years
go by because the women's like basketball teams, like they've
had an exponential increase in viewership. We're talking about like
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the viewership was up two hundred and eighty five percent
from two years ago to now.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The game seven of this.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
Conference for the women's Final literally increased two hundred and
eighty five percent from twenty twenty two. That beat the
game seven of the twenty nineteen World Series. So now
it's beating records of the pre pandemic records of sports.
It beat most of the NFL games. There was only
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fifteen NFL games within the last year that had more
viewership than the women's basketball final.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
So it's it's increasingly important.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
And you know, I appreciate you talking about the viewership
and all that, and you do have a point, but
the thing is whise of viewership so low. You kind
of touched on it based on the money. There's not
a lot of coverage on it because the networks automatically
assume what the audience wants, like, oh, we want we
want men. The audience is going to want to see
the men more than the women, when when in fact
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it's these kinds of statistics that are improving that untrue.
More people want to watch women's sports, and maybe the
physicality of some of these sports we're talking about aren't
as high as the men, but you have a growing
population of women in this country that want to play
sports and they want to do it at a high level. Now,
as far as the World Cup goes, look United States,
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when it comes to sports, we're obsessed with one thing
that's winning.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Everybody wants to see a winner.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Well, according to our last conversation was money, Well, well.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
We're talking about like as far as the.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Fans go, fans, sure, yeah, as far as the fans go,
they want to see winners, and the United States women's
national team does a way better.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Job of that than the men.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
And it is true that the men's team has competition
like Spain and Brazil and all that, but I mean
the the final that was that determined the winner of
the World Cup for the women's you know team, they
beat Brazil one to nothing.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
It was close.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
It wasn't five zero four to two. It was a
close game. So the competition is appropriate to watch. It's competitive.
And we've been talking forever about the soccer players, you know,
getting tapped on the knee, falling over, rolling down the
hill or whatever. Women's the women's players don't do that
as much. I see they're not. They got there to play.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Those guys out there I can't get I can't get
over there, believe me either. It just makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
But so when it comes to the college athletic programs,
you know, Title nine was a big that was a
big issue because that that was really something that had
to open some doors. It forced colleges on a federal
level to say, you will give equal time, you will
give equal resources and attention to female athletes. Are you
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seeing a bigger surge in interest in female athletics in
your colleges.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
I don't know about ASU, because our women's basketball team
some had like one of the worst seasons ever, so
there really wasn't like a bit. I don't think they
won a game in the league last year.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Yeah, our school not so much. But overall I am
seeing a bunch.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
I mean, like I said, eighteen point nine million people
tuned in on the college.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
Well, I think it stems down to you. You had
a good point about winning. Obviously team people are gonna
want to watch winning teams, But it comes down to showtime.
It was Kaitlyn Clark. Let's call it how it is.
Kaitlyn Clark put on women's bas I think she did
more for the sport than any anyone else. She's like
the lebron even before the doctor j of Like, that's
(07:00):
really how it is. And now you see the success
following her into the WNBA and with people that left
with her, with Angel Reese, and now there's a legitimate rivalry.
There's a reason to watch.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Why can't why can't we use the culture embrace the
w NBA like we do the NBA.
Speaker 6 (07:18):
It's because it's it's this is decades, it's a programming.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
It's going to take time to sort of reverse this.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
How long has the WNBA been around? Long time? How
long is it going to take?
Speaker 6 (07:30):
But the but the opportunities to be showcased at the
same level as the NBA have not followed the same
amount of years.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
It's just been the last ten years where it's really
gotten attention.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, Brian, since you've been over there sitting quietly, I'm
going to ask you this one. Transgender in sports on colleges? Now,
are you seeing that? Are you experiencing that?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And what are your views not experiencing it? And I hope,
honestly hopefully no one takes offense to this. I just
really hope that I don't get to experience it. At
the core nature of sports, it's supposed to be a
fair fight, right. I don't want to see someone who
used to be a man compete with women. Of course,
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there's going to be a huge gap in their physical
abilities and how they're going to be able to compete.
I don't like it. I'm not a big fan of it.
I don't want to see it and I disagree with
everything about it.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Well, don't you think, And as we were talking about
on the radio show, with California being the way it is,
don't you think I keep seeing that that is a
concern for college campuses in California. Does anyone in the
room remember an instance where that has become an issue now,
where someone who is claiming to be another or different
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gender wanting to compete in a opposite gender sport.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I hear it all the time, not locally, but not nationally.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
So we don't know if anything in California that's happening
there right I know, But what do you think of
college's liability or responsibility is if someone presents themselves as
a gender that's opposite of their birth gender and they
want to compete in that said sport.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
It's going to have to come down to the administration,
and if they allow it to happen, we have to
do our part and voice it. I mean, if you're
for it, you're for it. I respect it. I don't
think many people are. I think people are afraid to
use that voice. They don't they're afraid to get canceled,
they're afraid to be put to the side. But No,
(09:37):
I don't think it should be like that. I think
we should voice the way we feel and we should
go against it. If that's what you believe in.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
It surprises me. It seems like a lot more women
are for it. I was at a get together with
some friends and we were talking about this and I
was talking to some girls and they were like, you're
probably against it, and I was like, well, yeah, aren't you.
And you know they call themselves feminist. As a girl,
I would think if I'm working super hard to try
and be a champion or the top at a certain
sport and I get beat out by a man, I'm
(10:07):
gonna be like, that's so unfair. He wouldn't place top
ten and men's but he beats like he gets to
come here and compete and win, Like I put in
all this work, it gets basically cheated out of it.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Wasn't that the case of a swimmer, Wasn't there a swimmer?
Wasn't that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Leah Thomas, Yeah, a male swimmer from Pennsylvania was applauded
after winning the NCAA Women's championship in the five hundred
yard freestyle.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, and the and the woman he beat apparently went
on the circuit complaining about it, right.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
And she didn't get any any light or anything.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
I just don't understand if you guys now sports journalists,
and you know you've got a couple of years to
go before you're out there getting paid to do it.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
But how do you see this evolving.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
If we don't say, if we don't voice what we
believe in, it's gonna happen and happen what's already happening
because we're not doing our part. And you know, it's
just tough because again, it's not about it's not about
the fear of being canceled. I mean personally, I really
(11:14):
I don't want to be that person to hurt their feelings. Really,
I don't want it's not about getting canceled. It's just
I don't want to I don't want to see but
I don't want to see a.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Man play with What is it you want to say, Brian.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I don't want to see that.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, we have to do our part and voice it.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Let me get just let me just cut in here
if I can you talk about canceling and I don't
really give a rats behind about that.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
We're on a podcast now, you can say rats ass.
Speaker 6 (11:43):
Yeah, I don't give a rats ass, because look, we
have to tell we have to tell it like it is,
because this isn't just in swimming. It's pretty swimming. It's
gonna be freaking rugby baseball. The whole nine is just
ridiculous softball, it's it's going to go across the board golf.
And we have to explain why this is a problem. Okay,
(12:03):
And I'll tell you a funny story from Donald Trump.
And usually you know he brings up lives or whatever,
but no, this is true. It's happened.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
There is this female weightlifter.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I don't know her name, but she was working really
hard training season in season, not trying to break the
world record for women's She goes up there, tries to
do her best, close to it, just can't do it.
Business guy comes along, didn't crack top ten, nobody knew
who he was whatever. He changes his name to Sally,
(12:31):
what's on a wig, goes to the same amount of
weight lifts it no problem.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
He broke the record by three.
Speaker 6 (12:38):
Hundred pounds something like that, and it's just ridiculous. Look,
and the reason why Max, I think some of your
friends are so adamant about having this happen is because
they're so stuck in this world of inclusivity and they
don't see what they're sacrificing. It's not gonna because I'm
(12:58):
a big believer in people don't care until it affects
them directly. So when they have a friend up there
and they're playing soccer or whatever and then this six
foot one, you know individual comes in, bam, runs into
them and they go flying off the sidelines, they're not
going to care. So and if we're so adamant about
being inclusive, look, this is a time of age where
(13:19):
everything is. If you have a belief and if you
have funding behind it, it's going to happen. Get their
own league, Get the transgenders their own league. I don't
know what's so wrong about that.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Well, for the same reason that the WNBA was struggling
for years, because you said it to yourself that they
won't have the same audience, they won't have the same reach.
So the thing is is that you know how people
are now. If they were to do their own as
you suggested, transgender league, they would want instantaneous TV rights,
they would want all the same coverage, They would want
(13:52):
all the same attention and not have to wait twenty
years to get it. If that's how it would be,
because we're in a very entitled society.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Now they got to find they're Kaitlin Clark right away.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Right right. Yeah, So I'll tell you something.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
You guys have your work cut out for you, you know,
trying to cover these topics, unless, of course, you just
stick to wrestling. I think that was your big thing, right, Wrestling.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
Yeah, wrestling is a big thing.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's can you imagine it has that is that encroached
into that yet? Into professional wrestling.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
The WWE has been very adamant about keeping men and
men's divisions and women's and women's divisions. We've had like
you know, gay wrestlers and stuff like that be on
the programming. That's a different thing.
Speaker 5 (14:37):
You know.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
It's inclusive in that way. But as far as like
the physical aspect of it in a match.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
So is there a policy that says a man of
biological male that wants to wrestle as a female cannot
do that?
Speaker 5 (14:52):
I don't know if there's a policy.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
What I can tell you this is Tyler Rex who's
who was a man ten years ago. He recently had
a transference, if that's what it's called, an operation making
him into a woman. Tried to come back to the WWE,
and there was pictures of him heading into the headquarters whatever.
They had a meeting whatever. Didn't hear word one about it.
(15:14):
If he did sign a deal and it was official,
they would report it immediately, But he walked out with
his bags, wasn't seen or heard from again. So that
tells me that WWE is at least not right now
looking for that.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
They're not allowing.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
Men to fight, or biological men to fight, or wrestle
women's wrestlers.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Interesting, well, fellas, thanks again, good stuff. I wish you
all the very best, and again I'm anxious to see
how some of your coverage evolves over the next year
or so. So thanks again for being here.
Speaker 5 (15:50):
Thank you,
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