September 29, 2024 • 15 mins
In this podcast-only version of S640, the panel discusses one of the most concerning issues among Gen Z’ers on campus – reproductive rights. The three women talk about how politics has interfered in abortion rights and how the issue could sway the upcoming election. Our panel includes Kaia Mann from Los Angeles Valley College, Nico Sapphire from California Lutheran University, and Olivia Madera from California Lutheran University. To be a part of the show, click here for details.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We've just wrapped up recording the radio show for Studio
six forty and now this is S six forty plus.
It's our podcast only version of Studio six forty. This
is the topic that you'll only hear on the podcast
and on the radio side. We just went through a
bunch of interesting topics of concern for women on campus
and our panel Kaya Man from La Valley College, Nico
(00:22):
Sapphire and Olivia Madera, both from California Lutheran University, and
we wanted to save this topic for the podcast so
that we've had a little more time to sort of
relax and get into it and maybe do a little
more deep dive in net is reproductive rights, so that
is and when you say reproductive rights on campus, define
(00:43):
that well.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I think, you know, I don't know if there's as
big of a difference if you're in school, whether you're
in school or not. I think reproductive rights this is
a very pressing issue now for women, and I think
it has the same impact regardless if you're a student
or not. I think, you know, it's always been an
issue for the far religious right, and you know, especially
(01:05):
since the overturning of Row, give some context in June
twenty twenty two, which Trump says he's very proud to
take responsibility for I think the war on women has
only increased since then. And you know, Trump's has handpicked
Supreme Court judges who overturned fifty years of precedent that
guaranteed a constitutional right to an abortion. And you know,
(01:27):
this is our healthcare. And so now you know abortion
is banned in about twenty US states. So if you're
a student or whether you're not, what does this mean? Right,
doctors they can face criminal charges for performing emergency surgery
on women in need of an abortion for health reasons,
putting women at risk at dying. And this has happened
countless times. Health care and handcuffs if you will. And
(01:49):
you know, I think leaving up to the states, I
don't think is an option for women. I think it
gives extreme states the option to ban abortion and affects
women who live there and not everyone that can just right,
And I think it needs to be put back and
signed into law to where you can't overturn it. And
I think my one of my biggest issues is like,
why are these politicians ninety nine percent of the time
(02:10):
men who are not doctors think they know what's best
for women and they fail to understand that things like abortion, contraception,
these are medical issues, right, And then you know, I
don't think it's not about morals, but it's about medicine.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So okay, So is that something that is being discussed
on campuses? Is that something that the young women or
is that is that again, for lack of a better term,
is that the water cooler talk?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
What is that? Is that a really big issue?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So? I had seen some stats I might have been
from our when we were talking about Live, the magazine
that we run her campus, and sometimes they give out
statistics of like what are the most important issues of
gen Z voters? This was up there. This was easily
number one for gen Z women. Yeah, it is the
biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So and what and what was that publication her campus?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Your magazine?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, so that was at an informal poll or a
scientific pool. Yeah, okay, Kaya, What about on your campus
La Valley College?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah? I think it's an issue that all women, all
people are concerned about. It's been so contentious over the
past few years, certainly, but you know, decades even and
you know, we we live in California, so it's it's
a little bit easier to kind of stay feel safer,
(03:36):
although you can never feel one hundred right, you know,
we do live in a primarily blue state, but it's
still you have to think about the people who don't,
the people who are you know, marginalized and who will
dis disproportionately face issues in getting birth control, abortion, gender affirming.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Care even And this all started with the overturning of
Roe View Wade. Is that where you believe it started
or do you think this.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Was leading up to it?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
No? I think yeah, you know, and I remember hearing
a lot of people, like a lot of Democrats I think,
were kind of you know, they were like, oh, this
can never happen. You know, there's a lot of people
saying that, and then it happened, you know, And so
I think I think it has been an issue for
a while, like I said, and for the far religious right,
I think it's always been an issue. And then wanting
to restrict our access and just restrict our rights again,
(04:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Let me ask you something, because you've mentioned that before, Yeah,
what about the rights of the people who believe the
other way?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, again, that's what I think it's not about their morals.
I think this is about medicine, and I don't think
it's about you know, here's the thing, because most people,
most people.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Not about medicine per se. It's about access to medicine. Yeah,
but what about again, I'm asking because there's a there's
a legitimate concern from and you know, religious writer or
whatever you want to call them, what about their right
it's in this respect to the rights to protect the unborn. Well,
I and I don't want to go down in abortion debate. Yeah,
(05:08):
that's not what I want to do here. That's because
but I want to say because I want to make
sure this is not too one sided. And again we
remember trying to look through things as a student journalist.
So let's talk about balance. Let's talk about what about
the rights of the others in the in the in
the religious principles they have.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think, for one, the fetus that
can't survive if the mother is dying, and I think
that's been in so many cases. You know, the mother
is having issues with her pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And she needs getting That's the exception, not the rule. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, but I think a lot of these laws that
are being put in place. And you know, a lot
of politicians they can say that they're allowing these exceptions,
but the laws that they're putting in place, like the
six week band for example, most women don't even know
they're pregnant at six weeks, and so I think it's
you know, they can say these things, but the laws
that they want and that they're trying to put in place,
it's not you know, it doesn't account for the mother's rights,
(05:57):
and again they can't survive with the mom And I think,
you know, I think you don't have to like abortion,
and most people don't. Most people don't want to get one.
But this is again, it's our healthcare, and so I
don't think it's it's really interesting and crazy to me
that like this is kind of up for debate almost
because again, this is our healthcare.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So well it's up to debate because there are people
that fundamentally think that that is that's taking the taking
the life of somebody.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's the fundamental argument.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And again, how through the eyes of a journalist, we're
not just talking about political opinion, but would just take
a look at let's look at the thing pragmatically here
if you had to cover the issue. How would you
cover the issue, Olivia?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I don't want to see how it's affecting my campus
and see if people are willing to talk. Because also,
like with reproductive rights, I feel like there should be
a freedom of speech and like advocation to talk about
these things and have safe spaces on campus are like
bringing it back to campus, but like that's like the
community I'm living in right now, right, but you know,
(07:00):
just like having access there, like if something were to
happen as a college woman, you know, on campus, like
where do I go?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
What do I do?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
But I read a recent article from MPR and this
was like back in April twenty twenty four, but that
in twenty nineteen, California legislators passed a law that required
all states. There're three, sorry, that requires all of California's states.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh my gosh, that made no sense, all of California counties,
for all the states, all all.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Of California's thirty three public university campuses. Sorry, I read
that wrong. To provide abortion bills, and that took effect
in January twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
But I'm sorry to provide abortion bills.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Pills, sorry, pills and eleven out of the twenty three
CSU campus clinics did not have any information about medication
and ports on their clinic websites, nor did they list
that it was offered. And so what I was kind
of getting at is I was thinking about my campus.
I was like, do we even offer any abortion care
(08:12):
anything like that? So I looked on our health services
website and I didn't see anything it said they offered
gynological services. And then like, obviously, like I had mentioned
before in that wellness resources, provides pregnancy tests, but like,
where's the rest.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Specifically, they don't specifically say abortion. It's it's assumed that's.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Under gynecological right, Yeah, yeah, Kaya? What about La Valley?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I know that we have resources that help point students
in the right direction specifically. I know I've had peers
who have gotten gender affirming care and gotten help through
the university through the Pride Center, But.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I don't think we have specific access other than just
counselors and people too well.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And I'm glad you said that too, because I was
just going to ask, because I think it was in
Colorado where I grew up. I think if it still
has the distinction of having more churches per capita than
the United State and America, but that they had the
focus on the family. Did anybody familiar with the focus
on the family. So it was a huge, very very
(09:28):
large religious organization that was very pro you know, it
was anti abortion, and it was one of those where
I believe they passed the legislation. And I'm sure I'll
get checked on this, but I want to say there
was some sort of legislation in Colorado at the time,
or maybe it was this in the county there that
before anyone considered an abortion, they had to go through counseling.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
They had to sit.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And listen to a counselor give them options and literally.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Try to talk them out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Wow, Okay, I remember that being an issue at one time. Yeah,
And again, I'm sure i'll get checked on this, but
I'm I'm I'm vaguely remembering something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That But that was the through the lobby of that organization.
But it was religiously based.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But when you say reproductive rights, it sounds like to
me it's an it's an umbrella right. So abortion is
just one of the many facets. And we're also talking
about access to birth control right and IVF too, right,
I v F on campus?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh no, no, no, no, but just under the under the umbrella.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Progress more general.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, if on campus.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You know, that's also like what a lot of the
Republicans and they're they're blocking all these these laws and
and and what they're going after it is not just
the abortion right, but the birth control and the I
v F and taking away you know, families who they
can only get pregnant with IVF maybe and taking away
their chance at that, you know. And so I think,
(11:07):
you know, Kamala Harris recently had said that people don't
need to let go of their religious beliefs to agree
that women should have control over their own bodies.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
No, I agree with that. I am very religious, and
you know there's things that my church, like my religion
says about like abortion and stuff like that. But I
have my own views, and I yeah, you know, I
am pro choice, like I think that a woman should
should choose. I mean, I would want to choose if
I were to get an abortion.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Pro choice and then pro life for yourself exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
But the only thing I don't think you can say
your pro life and while you're causing mothers to die
and that's what's going on with a lot of these
cases and refusing the emergency treatment.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But again that's exception.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How many cases of that has that come up?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
How many times? What that what you're talking about, the.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Mother is dying?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Well, yeah, they're refusing, refusal to care. How many how
many cases of that?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, Well there's there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
There's a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You can find. The one just recently with her name
is Amber Thurman, and this was in Georgia, and she
had gotten sepsis after she took a medication abortion. She
took the pills and she died and it could have
been prevented, but she was refused a DNC, which is
the treatment to remove the infected tissue because why because
it was considered a felony in Georgia and they waited
(12:27):
too long and she bled to death. And so like
my thing is like, is that really is that pro life?
You know, to all all the people who think that.
So there's a lot of examples like that and cases
like that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay, well, I don't know what the tenor of the
election is going to bring for all of this. I
suspect that when you've got a very strong religious backing
to the candidate like Trump. That is one of their
big that's one of their big conditions, if you're will
(12:58):
One of their big supportive conditions is that they they
are very very pro life. I wonder if there will
ever be another attempt to pass a roe V weight again.
I think there's always been sort of talk about it,
and if Kamala Harris is elected president, I think that
was something she talked about doing, wanting to sort of
(13:18):
bring that back to the federal level as opposed to
the state levels because the sovereignty of each state being
able to decide that on their own. The argument was
is that the state sometimes knows more about what is
better for their constituents than the federal government does. And
I think that was part of the that was the
primary argument to overturn RV.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Wade.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But it will be interesting to see if this ever
changes or anything ever happens. But you know that the
people that are so adamantly pro choice have a lot
of support, you know, in these states that are having issues.
You know, California has become kind of a sanctuary state
for people that want to come here and have their
(13:59):
procedures done. So, But where do you Project this going well.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, there's certainly a lot at stake with the
election coming up, you know, and a big thing, as
you said, Steve, you know, a big proponent of Project
twenty twenty five, which is is Trump's plan if he wins,
you know, and a lot of what's in there is too,
and he keeps saying this, he wants to do a
nationwide abortion ban and again and continue coming after birth
control and an IVF and things like that.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And so I think, you know, you have clearly one
candidate who is for women and one who is against women,
and he can keep saying things, you know, and he
tries to deny it all the time, but that's it's
in there. It's in Project twenty twenty five. And so
I think, just as I said before, you know, you
can look up a lot of statistics, and reproductive rights
is one of the biggest and most important issues to
gen Z women. And I think, I think just women
(14:48):
in general, this I do feel. I am. I'm optimistic.
I will say that this is could be the year
of the women vote because there is more at stake
than ever I think for women in particular.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, I'm sure seeing a lot of a lot of
movement with gen Z women. I'm seeing social media has
become a very powerful tool for that, and I'm not
I'm noticing that. And I'm a political I'm absolutely political.
I you know, I don't even like covering politics.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's it's just it just gives me the hives.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
But I will, I will be very interested to see
how this how it all lands after November. So listen,
very good discussion. I know this is something Nico has
been wanting to talk about. You can tell it was
that was obvious. But now you got it all out,
You've forgiven me. Yeah, and appreciate the conversation and the
(15:38):
candid dialogue.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So thanks again, thanks to you.
We've just wrapped up recording the radio show for Studio
six forty and now this is S six forty plus.
It's our podcast only version of Studio six forty. This
is the topic that you'll only hear on the podcast
and on the radio side. We just went through a
bunch of interesting topics of concern for women on campus
and our panel Kaya Man from La Valley College, Nico
(00:22):
Sapphire and Olivia Madera, both from California Lutheran University, and
we wanted to save this topic for the podcast so
that we've had a little more time to sort of
relax and get into it and maybe do a little
more deep dive in net is reproductive rights, so that
is and when you say reproductive rights on campus, define
(00:43):
that well.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I think, you know, I don't know if there's as
big of a difference if you're in school, whether you're
in school or not. I think reproductive rights this is
a very pressing issue now for women, and I think
it has the same impact regardless if you're a student
or not. I think, you know, it's always been an
issue for the far religious right, and you know, especially
(01:05):
since the overturning of Row, give some context in June
twenty twenty two, which Trump says he's very proud to
take responsibility for I think the war on women has
only increased since then. And you know, Trump's has handpicked
Supreme Court judges who overturned fifty years of precedent that
guaranteed a constitutional right to an abortion. And you know,
(01:27):
this is our healthcare. And so now you know abortion
is banned in about twenty US states. So if you're
a student or whether you're not, what does this mean? Right,
doctors they can face criminal charges for performing emergency surgery
on women in need of an abortion for health reasons,
putting women at risk at dying. And this has happened
countless times. Health care and handcuffs if you will. And
(01:49):
you know, I think leaving up to the states, I
don't think is an option for women. I think it
gives extreme states the option to ban abortion and affects
women who live there and not everyone that can just right,
And I think it needs to be put back and
signed into law to where you can't overturn it. And
I think my one of my biggest issues is like,
why are these politicians ninety nine percent of the time
(02:10):
men who are not doctors think they know what's best
for women and they fail to understand that things like abortion, contraception,
these are medical issues, right, And then you know, I
don't think it's not about morals, but it's about medicine.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
So okay, So is that something that is being discussed
on campuses? Is that something that the young women or
is that is that again, for lack of a better term,
is that the water cooler talk?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
What is that? Is that a really big issue?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
So? I had seen some stats I might have been
from our when we were talking about Live, the magazine
that we run her campus, and sometimes they give out
statistics of like what are the most important issues of
gen Z voters? This was up there. This was easily
number one for gen Z women. Yeah, it is the
biggest issue.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
So and what and what was that publication her campus?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Your magazine?
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Yeah, so that was at an informal poll or a
scientific pool. Yeah, okay, Kaya, What about on your campus
La Valley College?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
Yeah? I think it's an issue that all women, all
people are concerned about. It's been so contentious over the
past few years, certainly, but you know, decades even and
you know, we we live in California, so it's it's
a little bit easier to kind of stay feel safer,
(03:36):
although you can never feel one hundred right, you know,
we do live in a primarily blue state, but it's
still you have to think about the people who don't,
the people who are you know, marginalized and who will
dis disproportionately face issues in getting birth control, abortion, gender affirming.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Care even And this all started with the overturning of
Roe View Wade. Is that where you believe it started
or do you think this.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Was leading up to it?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
No? I think yeah, you know, and I remember hearing
a lot of people, like a lot of Democrats I think,
were kind of you know, they were like, oh, this
can never happen. You know, there's a lot of people
saying that, and then it happened, you know, And so
I think I think it has been an issue for
a while, like I said, and for the far religious right,
I think it's always been an issue. And then wanting
to restrict our access and just restrict our rights again,
(04:30):
I think.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Let me ask you something, because you've mentioned that before, Yeah,
what about the rights of the people who believe the
other way?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, again, that's what I think it's not about their morals.
I think this is about medicine, and I don't think
it's about you know, here's the thing, because most people,
most people.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Not about medicine per se. It's about access to medicine. Yeah,
but what about again, I'm asking because there's a there's
a legitimate concern from and you know, religious writer or
whatever you want to call them, what about their right
it's in this respect to the rights to protect the unborn. Well,
I and I don't want to go down in abortion debate. Yeah,
(05:08):
that's not what I want to do here. That's because
but I want to say because I want to make
sure this is not too one sided. And again we
remember trying to look through things as a student journalist.
So let's talk about balance. Let's talk about what about
the rights of the others in the in the in
the religious principles they have.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, I mean, I think, for one, the fetus that
can't survive if the mother is dying, and I think
that's been in so many cases. You know, the mother
is having issues with her pregnancy.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
And she needs getting That's the exception, not the rule. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah, but I think a lot of these laws that
are being put in place. And you know, a lot
of politicians they can say that they're allowing these exceptions,
but the laws that they're putting in place, like the
six week band for example, most women don't even know
they're pregnant at six weeks, and so I think it's
you know, they can say these things, but the laws
that they want and that they're trying to put in place,
it's not you know, it doesn't account for the mother's rights,
(05:57):
and again they can't survive with the mom And I think,
you know, I think you don't have to like abortion,
and most people don't. Most people don't want to get one.
But this is again, it's our healthcare, and so I
don't think it's it's really interesting and crazy to me
that like this is kind of up for debate almost
because again, this is our healthcare.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So well it's up to debate because there are people
that fundamentally think that that is that's taking the taking
the life of somebody.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
That's the fundamental argument.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
And again, how through the eyes of a journalist, we're
not just talking about political opinion, but would just take
a look at let's look at the thing pragmatically here
if you had to cover the issue. How would you
cover the issue, Olivia?
Speaker 5 (06:38):
I don't want to see how it's affecting my campus
and see if people are willing to talk. Because also,
like with reproductive rights, I feel like there should be
a freedom of speech and like advocation to talk about
these things and have safe spaces on campus are like
bringing it back to campus, but like that's like the
community I'm living in right now, right, but you know,
(07:00):
just like having access there, like if something were to
happen as a college woman, you know, on campus, like
where do I go?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
What do I do?
Speaker 5 (07:09):
But I read a recent article from MPR and this
was like back in April twenty twenty four, but that
in twenty nineteen, California legislators passed a law that required
all states. There're three, sorry, that requires all of California's states.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Oh my gosh, that made no sense, all of California counties,
for all the states, all all.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Of California's thirty three public university campuses. Sorry, I read
that wrong. To provide abortion bills, and that took effect
in January twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
But I'm sorry to provide abortion bills.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Pills, sorry, pills and eleven out of the twenty three
CSU campus clinics did not have any information about medication
and ports on their clinic websites, nor did they list
that it was offered. And so what I was kind
of getting at is I was thinking about my campus.
I was like, do we even offer any abortion care
(08:12):
anything like that? So I looked on our health services
website and I didn't see anything it said they offered
gynological services. And then like, obviously, like I had mentioned
before in that wellness resources, provides pregnancy tests, but like,
where's the rest.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Specifically, they don't specifically say abortion. It's it's assumed that's.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Under gynecological right, Yeah, yeah, Kaya? What about La Valley?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
I know that we have resources that help point students
in the right direction specifically. I know I've had peers
who have gotten gender affirming care and gotten help through
the university through the Pride Center, But.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I don't think we have specific access other than just
counselors and people too well.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And I'm glad you said that too, because I was
just going to ask, because I think it was in
Colorado where I grew up. I think if it still
has the distinction of having more churches per capita than
the United State and America, but that they had the
focus on the family. Did anybody familiar with the focus
on the family. So it was a huge, very very
(09:28):
large religious organization that was very pro you know, it
was anti abortion, and it was one of those where
I believe they passed the legislation. And I'm sure I'll
get checked on this, but I want to say there
was some sort of legislation in Colorado at the time,
or maybe it was this in the county there that
before anyone considered an abortion, they had to go through counseling.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
They had to sit.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And listen to a counselor give them options and literally.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Try to talk them out of it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Wow, Okay, I remember that being an issue at one time. Yeah,
And again, I'm sure i'll get checked on this, but
I'm I'm I'm vaguely remembering something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
That But that was the through the lobby of that organization.
But it was religiously based.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
But when you say reproductive rights, it sounds like to
me it's an it's an umbrella right. So abortion is
just one of the many facets. And we're also talking
about access to birth control right and IVF too, right,
I v F on campus?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Oh no, no, no, no, but just under the under the umbrella.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Progress more general.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, if on campus.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
You know, that's also like what a lot of the
Republicans and they're they're blocking all these these laws and
and and what they're going after it is not just
the abortion right, but the birth control and the I
v F and taking away you know, families who they
can only get pregnant with IVF maybe and taking away
their chance at that, you know. And so I think,
(11:07):
you know, Kamala Harris recently had said that people don't
need to let go of their religious beliefs to agree
that women should have control over their own bodies.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
No, I agree with that. I am very religious, and
you know there's things that my church, like my religion
says about like abortion and stuff like that. But I
have my own views, and I yeah, you know, I
am pro choice, like I think that a woman should
should choose. I mean, I would want to choose if
I were to get an abortion.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Pro choice and then pro life for yourself exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
But the only thing I don't think you can say
your pro life and while you're causing mothers to die
and that's what's going on with a lot of these
cases and refusing the emergency treatment.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But again that's exception.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
How many cases of that has that come up?
Speaker 3 (11:55):
How many times? What that what you're talking about, the.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Mother is dying?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Well, yeah, they're refusing, refusal to care. How many how
many cases of that?
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Yeah, Well there's there's a lot.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
There's a lot of that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You can find. The one just recently with her name
is Amber Thurman, and this was in Georgia, and she
had gotten sepsis after she took a medication abortion. She
took the pills and she died and it could have
been prevented, but she was refused a DNC, which is
the treatment to remove the infected tissue because why because
it was considered a felony in Georgia and they waited
(12:27):
too long and she bled to death. And so like
my thing is like, is that really is that pro life?
You know, to all all the people who think that.
So there's a lot of examples like that and cases
like that.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay, well, I don't know what the tenor of the
election is going to bring for all of this. I
suspect that when you've got a very strong religious backing
to the candidate like Trump. That is one of their
big that's one of their big conditions, if you're will
(12:58):
One of their big supportive conditions is that they they
are very very pro life. I wonder if there will
ever be another attempt to pass a roe V weight again.
I think there's always been sort of talk about it,
and if Kamala Harris is elected president, I think that
was something she talked about doing, wanting to sort of
(13:18):
bring that back to the federal level as opposed to
the state levels because the sovereignty of each state being
able to decide that on their own. The argument was
is that the state sometimes knows more about what is
better for their constituents than the federal government does. And
I think that was part of the that was the
primary argument to overturn RV.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Wade.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
But it will be interesting to see if this ever
changes or anything ever happens. But you know that the
people that are so adamantly pro choice have a lot
of support, you know, in these states that are having issues.
You know, California has become kind of a sanctuary state
for people that want to come here and have their
(13:59):
procedures done. So, But where do you Project this going well.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
I mean, there's certainly a lot at stake with the
election coming up, you know, and a big thing, as
you said, Steve, you know, a big proponent of Project
twenty twenty five, which is is Trump's plan if he wins,
you know, and a lot of what's in there is too,
and he keeps saying this, he wants to do a
nationwide abortion ban and again and continue coming after birth
control and an IVF and things like that.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And so I think, you know, you have clearly one
candidate who is for women and one who is against women,
and he can keep saying things, you know, and he
tries to deny it all the time, but that's it's
in there. It's in Project twenty twenty five. And so
I think, just as I said before, you know, you
can look up a lot of statistics, and reproductive rights
is one of the biggest and most important issues to
gen Z women. And I think, I think just women
(14:48):
in general, this I do feel. I am. I'm optimistic.
I will say that this is could be the year
of the women vote because there is more at stake
than ever I think for women in particular.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, I'm sure seeing a lot of a lot of
movement with gen Z women. I'm seeing social media has
become a very powerful tool for that, and I'm not
I'm noticing that. And I'm a political I'm absolutely political.
I you know, I don't even like covering politics.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's it's just it just gives me the hives.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
But I will, I will be very interested to see
how this how it all lands after November. So listen,
very good discussion. I know this is something Nico has
been wanting to talk about. You can tell it was
that was obvious. But now you got it all out,
You've forgiven me. Yeah, and appreciate the conversation and the
(15:38):
candid dialogue.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So thanks again, thanks to you.
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