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November 7, 2024 65 mins
In Episode 2 of "Stuff God Never Said," host Audrey Cauthen continues her interview with Justin Bristol, who shares his powerful journey from running from God and living a gay lifestyle to finding freedom and faith in Jesus Christ. Justin opens up about his struggles with same-sex attraction, identity, and the role of prayer and his grandmother's support in his transformation. Audrey and Justin discuss the challenges he faced, the impact of the enemy, and the importance of embracing the truth and love of Jesus. This episode aims to challenge assumptions and offer hope to those feeling lost or trapped in their circumstances.
If you didn't catch part 1 of this, go back and listen to it and then come back to finish with this one!

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Timestamps

Introduction and Content Warning (0:00)
Justin expresses his desire for truth and honesty in his life, setting the stage for his journey.

Journey of Deliverance Begins (0:50)
Justin recounts a 30-day journey where he seeks deliverance from homosexuality and personal struggles.

Physical Affliction and Spiritual Attack (1:01)
He describes a physical sickness he believes was a demonic attack while he was worshipping.

God's Assurance and Healing (3:01)
Justin hears God reassuring him that he will heal him if he trusts and follows His guidance.

Reading the Gospels (5:54)
He begins to read the Gospels deeply, experiencing emotional revelations and repentance.

Repentance and Reflection (7:01)
Justin reflects on his past sins, recognizing pride and manipulation as he reads scripture.

Confronting Past Relationships (9:01)
He discusses the process of confronting past sexual partners and the soul ties formed.

Prayer for Restoration (10:47)
Justin prays for restoration and truth to replace the lies he learned from past relationships.

Obedience and Connection (12:04)
He emphasizes the importance of obedience to God’s instructions during his healing journey.

Breaking Soul Ties (17:29)
Justin explains the significance of breaking soul ties and the emotional connections with past lovers.

Sharing His Journey (19:32)
He shares his testimony with others, receiving positive responses and interest in his transformation.

Final Healing and Transformation (20:30)
Justin experiences radical healing and transformation, addressing deeper issues beyond homosexuality.

Reflection on Offending God (22:26)
Justin discusses feeling he offended God by his past relationships and seeks redemption.

Deliverance from Pornography (23:37)
He shares his freedom from pornography and the impact on his stress and desires.

Purification Process (24:35)
The host comments on the painful yet transformative purification Justin experienced during his journey.

Understanding Sin (25:36)
They discuss how sin manifests in various forms and the need for awareness and repentance.

Recognizing Change (27:30)
Justin realizes he is no longer gay as he embraces God's invitation for change.

New Perspectives on Attraction (28:00)
He describes how his views on physical attraction have shifted post-deliverance.

Focus on Jesus (30:25)
Justin emphasizes the importance of focusing on Jesus rather than on sin for true transformation.

Power of Prayer (31:27)
They discuss how consistent prayer and repentance played a crucial role in Justin's healing.

Spiritual Warfare (35:11)
Justin shares experiences of spiritual warfare and the importance of faith in overcoming temptation.

The Role of Intercessors (38:28)
He reflects on the impact of intercessors who prayed for him during his struggles.

God's Promises (39:42)
Justin discusses God's promises and the importance of not settling for counterfeit fulfillment.

Loneliness and God's Awareness (42:43)
He reflects on God's understanding of loneliness and the need to trust in His timing.

Encounter with God (45:40)
Justin shares a vision of a beautiful woman, affirming God's plan for his future marriage.

Transformation of Attraction (46:38)
He describes a shift in his attraction to women, realizing the importance of waiting for God's timing.

Prophecies and Confirmation (47:40)
Justin discusses multiple prophecies affirming his future wife, providing encouragement on his faith journey.

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Episode Transcript

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(00:00):
And so basically the opposite prayer that would be for me during that situation was

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"Bring truth back into my life Lord.
I don't want to be a liar anymore."
Thank you guys so much for coming back for part two of our interview with Justin Bristol.
There was so much content and so much to this story that we wanted to turn this into two

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episodes.
So thank you for coming back for round two.
As we do want to give you a heads up that some of the content in this episode in particular
is of more mature content and sexual content.
So just be aware if you have a younger audience in the room with you or this is something
that you are struggling yourself with and you're not ready to hear it.

(00:46):
We just want you to be aware that there is some mature content in this episode.
And long story short, I go through a 30 day journey with the Lord where I get stuck in
St. Louis and the Lord delivers me from homosexuality.
Wow, that's incredible.
Yeah.
So when you say you were delivered from homosexuality, was it just overnight?

(01:11):
What did it?
And I will make sure that we share your, make your testimony, shareable so people can
read because you do get into that on the post.
Which is incredible.
But would you give us just like a brief, I think you said it was three weeks.
It was several weeks.
It was about 30 days.

(01:33):
I got fully, fully delivered the day before Thanksgiving, which I think is super interesting
too.
Wow.
Okay, can you give us like a 5,000 foot view of what that looked like?
Yeah, so essentially I got sick.
Physically ill.
I don't know what happened one day I was there.

(01:56):
I had literally just started getting back into worship, experiencing the Lord and one
night during worship.
I got physically attacked and I'm at the house by myself.
Still to this day, doctors have no clue what happened.
Cause I got healed.
We'll get to that.
But my doctor in Seattle is like, I don't want you flying back.

(02:18):
We're going to have to stay there and find a cardiologist.
Cause I'm super healthy.
But some of them was going on with my heart during that night when I got attacked, where
I got rushed to the ER and he was like pounding out of my chest.
Wow.
In my head, I'm hearing the Lord say, this is a demonic attack.
And he says to me, Satan can't stand you because you're walking away from this lifestyle.

(02:41):
That's what I'm hearing.
My family rushes me to the ER.
They find absolutely nothing wrong.
They did a multiple test.
They give me out of hand and it calms me down and I go home and I sleep.
I wake up the next morning and there's this burning sensation in my stomach area.
I would try to eat something.
He would hurt going into my stomach.

(03:01):
I'm like, what is wrong with you?
I have cancer.
And I literally would say, I was literally saying this, did you bring me all the way out
for her God to get my life to you, but you were afraid that I might fall again.
So you're going to kill, I'm going to die out here.
I'm going to die, but you're probably thinking this is worth it because I'll get, I'll make

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it to heaven.
I pray in this time, I'm saying this out loud to the Lord and the Lord says to me, you're
not going to die.
I hear it so clear inside of me.
I'm going to heal you, but you have to trust me and do things my way.
And we're praying and I'm talking, I'm saying, well, what is your way?
What do you want me to do?
He goes, test me out in this.

(03:44):
Do everything I tell you.
I will heal your body.
I will restore everything back to you that you've lost due to sin.
He tells me that.
I will make you go further in me than you've ever been before and I will restore all of
your ministry stuff that I've promised over your life.
And I'm going to fully deliver you from homosexuality, fully, not halfway, not where you're playing

(04:10):
with and towing with it fully.
I'm sitting there like God, if this does not work this time, I'm going back.
And God says to me, trust me, you will see.
It's like he was inviting me into a space with him and God always wins.

(04:32):
Like Jacob wrestling with the Lord to get turned into Israel, God wins.
Not Jacob.
Jacob had to be humbled.
I believe I was being humbled.
I was so prideful.
I lived my life the way I wanted living.
God had to break me.
Wow.
And people struggle with that because they don't believe that God can humble you.

(04:54):
We believe in a God that's like, oh, he won't do this.
You won't let you get afflicted.
And if you read through the New Testament, Paul talks about multiple afflictions that he
had to walk through.
Jesus was heavily afflicted.
And it wasn't Satan.
God was sending him to the cross.
And so I'm not saying God kills us, not at all.

(05:15):
But I'm saying this affliction had a purpose.
And now I see why.
And so basically what happens is we begin to just, he says, I want you to read all four
gospels, take your time, don't rush them and pray every chapter.
So the next day I started the journey.

(05:36):
I'm sick.
I can't really eat anything besides Greek yogurt bananas.
They're trying to get me into the appointments.
We're trying to rush everything.
You know how those go?
Specialist sees you.
Then they can't really do anything until they make the next appointment.
The first initial appointment literally is a waste of time.
Because they literally just want to see what's going on.
Yeah.
It was literally pissed.
Yeah.

(05:57):
Honestly, I can't believe I'm having to sit through this and God's like, oh, you're going
through it.
You kept telling me, you're going to go through this and you're going to learn.
Okay.
I begin to read the scripture.
I have never whipped like this.
I would be reading scripture and weeping over the genealogies of Jesus and Matthew and
the first chapter.

(06:18):
Looking through the names and seeing who came, who was in Jesus' genealogy that brought
him to the earth and all of those people were wretched and did terrible things, even King
David.
But he had a heart after God.
He still murdered someone's husband and took that wife for himself.

(06:42):
So I'm seeing all this stuff and I'm like, and I've seen this before.
But as I'm reading at this time, there's a sensitivity.
And as I'm reading certain scriptures, I'm weeping and God's convicting me.
And as I'm reading the scripture, things are coming up inside of me that has nothing
to a homosexuality yet.
Moments of pride begin to reveal to me in my mind like a movie.

(07:04):
Remember when you did this when I would read scriptures on lying in the gospels?
I'm like, oh my God.
I became a bad liar.
I'm a manipulator.
I was literally spending the next 30 days in a life of repentance because we have watered
down repentance.
It's as turn from your wicked ways.

(07:27):
That's what the definition of repentance and turn to God.
One definition says change your thinking.
That does not happen overnight.
It says it takes 30 days to break a habit.
And I was breaking multiple.
So I stayed in a place of repentance before the Lord.

(07:47):
And I even put myself as the bad character in all four gospel stories.
And I saw myself in their shoes specifically and repented.
I put myself in the Pharisees and the Sadges.
He says I became them and I would repent.
And I would pray and say God, break this off of me.
I don't want to be a Pharisee or a Sadges.

(08:08):
I would just turn it into prayer.
If we read the scripture on lying, I would pray the scripture on lying and say God,
purge my mouth from lying.
Start to show me how I lie so that I can get free from this.
Show me my wicked ways.
It's offensive to you.
And I wanted to stay in the place of repentance because I was beginning to see, whoa, I have

(08:31):
become so wicked.
I'm not looking like Jesus.
And certain scriptures would bring tears in my eyes and certain scriptures would take
me several days to get by.
I would meditate on that scripture for several days until I felt it permeating in me changing
me.
And certain past sexual lovers, while I was reading the word, would begin to come up in me.

(08:52):
So then when I get to the story of the woman called the active adultery, that's when I started
thinking about all my sexual partners and God spoke to me after I got finished reading
that specific verse, the power of the word is powerful if we allow it to be.
And the Holy Spirit says to me, we're going to walk through all of your sexual partners.

(09:16):
I said, what?
I'm over 100 and counting.
Wow.
And I don't even remember a lot of them.
And God's like, I'm going to bring them up and reveal them to you.
And we're going to walk through them.
So I literally go on this journey where the Lord, I was like, where do we even start?
And the Lord's, let's go back to the first guy you had sex with that taught you how to

(09:38):
be gay.
When we went back to that memory and I just closed my eyes and I'm like, okay, I'm picturing
like what I did that day.
And the Lord said before we get to when you had sex with him, look what you did to go
have sex with him.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm a lie to my grandmother.
I asked could I bar her car?

(09:59):
I tricked her.
I lied and said I was going somewhere else.
So I became a habitual liar that runs in my family.
I took her car and I stayed gone for six hours to go have sex with a man before I went off
to college.
And we weren't even focusing on the sex park yet.

(10:19):
We were focusing on you have become such a tricky person.
You lie and you manipulate and you twist things.
Repent from that right now.
I began to repent for how I lied to my grandma.
I lost that day with her that I could have been spinning while her, but I tricked her
and lied to her and manipulated her.
And the Lord said every time we walked through a situation like this, I want you to pray the

(10:41):
opposite of what you lost.
So basically what I would do was I would repent about what I saw.
I lost my virginity to that guy.
And I was taught how to be gay.
And so basically the opposite prayer of that would be for me during that situation was
bring truth back into my life Lord.
I don't want to be a liar anymore.

(11:02):
I was replacing what got instilled in me with the truth.
And then I prayed for my purity to come back to me.
I lost my purity that night.
I gained demonic knowledge on how to be gay and how to have sex.
This guy taught me everything on how to be gay and how to have gay sex.

(11:22):
I never had it before.
So I began to pray and break off of me learning this wisdom and asking for the Lord to restore
the truth of his word to me, purity and innocence.
This begins to go down multiple partners and people would just start popping up multiple
people.
As I'm walking down this path, okay?

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Pass lovers.
I don't know where to start texting me.
Now I want to make something really clear here.
When I travel with that ministry, I never walk through anything like this.
This is very significant.
I just stopped doing what I was doing and I just blocked everybody on social media.
This time the Lord's like, I'm teaching you how to be free in me in this world and no longer

(12:12):
running away from homosexuality.
You're going to stand firm and strong in it at the gym.
You're going to stand strong and firm in it.
When you go out in public and it's all around you, I'm going to make you so strong you are
not going to be moved by this anymore.
And so basically all those things I just told you and I want to make this clear, a lot

(12:35):
of praying in the Spirit in tongues.
A lot of praying in tongues.
And in my room, just intimate with the Lord, praying in the Spirit and there'd be times
I'd be praying and I would feel his fire come on.
I'd begin weeping while praying in the Spirit.
Him just baptizing me with a freshness.
And I'm still sick.
I've lost over 30 pounds at this point.

(12:57):
Doctors couldn't find anything but my soul was getting completely cleaned up.
I would literally feel things coming off of me and breaking off of me as I was going through
these prayers.
And these men are writing me on Facebook, Instagram in my text messages.
Certain men that I was praying through that day would write me and say, I don't know where

(13:19):
you're at right now, but I just thought about you and I mess how we used to have sex.
And the Holy Spirit said to me, do you see how important your life is that this many people
were reached out to you during this time?
Now do you see why you're so important that Satan was sinned this many people to text
you?

(13:39):
I'm talking about text messages that had noobs in it that I had to literally see what
opened up my phone and God said, you're no longer running.
You're not going to block them.
Just them back and tell them you're delivered from this and share the gospel to them.
My flesh went crazy.
I said, God, I don't want to do that.

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I didn't want to embarrass myself and expose myself.
He goes, you're going to do it.
I said, okay, God, I'm going to do it.
There's something about obedience even when you don't believe it.
And it's not that I didn't want to text them back because I want to do, like, still be
with them.
Right.
I just didn't want to have to expose myself.
Yeah.
I'm killing that in you.

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The need to not want to be exposed.
The need to not want to speak on my behalf.
And the scripture that was ringing in my mind was if you denied before people on this
earth, I would deny from my father in heaven.
And the Holy Spirit said to me, why would you deny them me?
And I began to weep, but I said, this is a bigger issue.
I have a pride issue, an image issue.

(14:43):
And God's like, I'm killing that in you.
So I began to text these people as I'm going through this deliverance.
They're literally texting back saying, I don't know how you got free from this.
I've always wondered if I could be free from this.
I didn't know what was possible.
Can you please tell me what you're doing?
Can you, someone say, can you mentor me?

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Someone just block me.
Sure.
Someone say, I'm going to follow you on all your social media sites because I want to
follow your journey.
I want to see how far this goes.
Yeah.
When they blocked you, did it have the same effect as it did before?
Like when you were in the church and feeling like you were exposed and feeling the pullback,

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how that made you feel that lack of acceptance, that insecurity, that pain from people not accepting
you.
So when that happened this time around and someone who you were with or knew to some capacity,
and they would block you because of your acceptance of Jesus and his will on your life.

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Was it that same?
Did you experience that same hurt of, oh no, they, I don't like me anymore.
No, I didn't.
I actually felt a freedom because they all didn't block me.
But when someone blocked me, I would be like, okay, that's one last person that I have to
deal with.
Yeah, I understand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Essentially, I just kept obeying everything the Lord would tell me to do.

(16:14):
He would even tell me reach, there would be, there would be emotional connections that
I still had in me.
And God would be like this individual.
If they walked in front of you right now and said, have sex with me, you would give into
them.
Let's talk about that guy.
And they would be a guy that I like, I like strongly missed the long for.
There's like certain sexual interrelationships with certain men that I'm like, if I could

(16:38):
marry, if I could be with them again, I'd be so happy that those memories were trapped inside
of me.
We would walk through that.
Yeah.
And I would pray these prayers again.
And I'm telling you, as I was praying these prayers and asking for the opposite bag, like I
break the connection that we've had sexually together.
As I'm reading all this, I also stumbled upon first Thessalonians chapter four.

(17:00):
And in that verse, it talks about when someone commits the sin of sexual sin, it's different
than any other sin because that sin happens within the body.
And all other sins happen outside the body.
So the sin of sexual sin, you become one, you become intimate.
Something's getting attached to me intimately.

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And I think that's where we get the ideas of soul ties because Adam and Eve, it says
the two will become one flesh.
So my soul was connected to a bunch of people.
And these people, as I'm breaking the soul connections, are writing me and texting me.
I even had one guy that I was super, super, super into.

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Write me and say, as I'm breaking a soul connection with him and praying the prayer to break
it and ask for the Lord to give me back all the things I lost, the time and the energy
of the lusting over him.
He texts me and goes, me and my friends last night, you can't make this stuff up.
Sat in the living room and we put my tender on the flat screen TV.

(18:08):
Your profile came up.
This was on a text message from him.
When you come back into town, I've skipped over you so many times.
We've hung out and now I'm realizing you're who I want to be with.
And all my friends were saying, why are you just as a catch?
Why are you not with him?
Wow.

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So as I get this text message during these 30 days, I'm like, Lord, what do I do with this
guy?
It was something that was still in there pulling.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I wanted to be with him.
So bad.
And God was like, tell him the truth.
Tell him the truth.

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Don't run from this.
And I texted out the entire thing and said, I want to first apologize to you.
We flirted.
We've made out.
We've done things together.
And this is going to sound weird several weeks ago.
You probably wouldn't have got this type of text message.
But I got to be honest with you.
The Lord has taken me on a journey and I have to ride this out.

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He's delivering me from this.
I was just really transparent at that time.
I wasn't saying I'm fully free yet.
I said, I'm walking through this journey.
And if I don't give God the opportunity to walk me through this, I'm going to fail at
this.
And I said, I want to be free from this.
And I got to apologize to you for the things we've done together and I'm sorry.

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We're not going to be able to be together.
And he goes, oh my gosh, I didn't even know this was possible.
He doesn't get mad at me.
He goes, he's someone else that said, I want to follow your journey and see how this goes
with you.
He literally said, I'm so excited and interested to see what God does.

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I didn't know he was a Christian or a warrior.
Was that with anything?
Yeah.
That same guy, months later, my test one, he goes viral, he's reaching out asking for advice.
So it all connected.
All of it mattered.
Several people during that season, back last October, it's connected to present day where

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they've reached out asking.
And the ones that's made fun of me, they're seeing the longevity and now how I'm transformed.
They're still reaching out asking, wow, this is really real to you.
And someone attacked me.
But basically, that's what I went through for the 30 days.
And I get radically healed.
The doctors find absolutely nothing wrong.

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It literally happened on the very last day before I was going to fly out for Thanksgiving
and go eat with some family and friends.
I get radically healed and I left there totally delivered from porn, from all the different
things, anger, rage.
I'm talking about hatred toward my dad.
We dealt with that.

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I had to forgive him.
The Lord said, I'll never use you to your full capacity if you hate your father.
I cannot have you speaking on the father's love and you literally hate your father.
Wow.
And that was hard.
I had to walk through that.
I had a three hour conversation with my father that the Lord changed my heart in the middle

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of the conversation because I just, I had to follow obedience.
And I began to see him as a broken man versus someone I just hate.
And the Lord began to change my heart in that.
So it was more of this just homosexuality.
God was doing a 360 on all these areas.
I was even calling and repenting to people in high school that the Lord showed me that

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you literally just trash and made fun of them and hurt them.
And I would write them on Facebook and say, I'm so sorry.
And the person would say, I'm so glad you called and said this and I'm so glad you gave
your life to Jesus.
Your voice was still in my head for how you made fun of me in school.
The Lord was not letting me off the hook.
He was having me call people, reach out to people and apologize.

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People I had sex with, take something and say, and I'm sorry we had sex together, please
forgive me.
Why did I do that?
Because in 1 Thessalonians chapter 4, it says, "Do not defraud a brother or sister in this
matter of sexual sin."
The Lord is the avenger of the brethren.
I read the scripture literal.

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So I looked at that as, I have offended you God by sleeping with people you've made in
your image that you're trying to bring through salvation through your son.
And I've added destruction to their story by sleeping with them.
So to make it right, I want to redeem everything I've lost.

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And so a lot of the reasons why I'm so effective right now with several in the LGBTQ community
is because I've reached out to so many and apologized.
And not just block them because God said, you're not blocking anybody.
You're not running away from anybody.
I'm going to put your life on display in front of them and you're going to show them

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love of Christ.
On my Instagram, they're all still there.
On my Facebook, all the gay friends are still there.
They're all still privy to anything on my page.
I'm not blocking anyone unless they're getting crazy and crazy in the comments and customs
if I block them.
Yeah, yeah.
But essentially, it was a combination of deliverance, forgiveness, confessing your thoughts to one

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another, ripping porn completely out of my life.
Or now I've been free from that over a year, haven't looked at porn at all.
And I don't even self pleasure myself.
That's huge because the Lord told me you can't.
I don't know.
I can't speak for everyone else, but that was tied to my stress.
So I would do that for stress.

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And the Lord said, you're going to come to me.
Even that has changed something in me genetically.
Or I'm not drawn to giving it to list.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
So so much was happening in those 30 days where we walked through so much trauma, so much
shame.

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And the Lord was giving me the opportunity of making your right with so many people and
apologizing and saying, sorry.
And it was the wildest ride of my entire life.
To the point where like there was days I wanted to die because my body was in some way.
So much agony because I couldn't eat and God healed my body.
It literally sounds like he was purifying you from the inside out.

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Come on.
Yeah.
Like it literally sounds like he's like purification hurts.
It does.
You want it back?
I'm going to give it to you.
And it's not going to happen in your sleep while you're just trucking along your day making
a bunch of money.
You know, that's not how it happens.
It hurts.
Yeah.
But I mean, as you're telling me this story, I'm like, you're like, I'm going to be like,

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you're like, you're like, oh, I had heart issues.
I'm like, he's healing your physical heart.
Yeah.
As he's refining your soul, your heart, your mind, your emotions, your rewiring, you know,
it literally sounds like he's rewiring your entire body.
And as and we even know, it's scientifically proven that our emotions are a physical.

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The whole thing, it's physiologically part of us when we cry out of sadness.
Our tears look different than when we cry out of anger under a microscope.
They show differently.
They are part of us.
And it lit.
It just blows my mind to how God works and orchestrates all things together for the good

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according to his will for the people who love him.
And even as you're sharing the good, the bad, the ugly, the chaos of sin and how it's like
you think, oh, yeah, you know, the justification of like, well, if I'm in a gay relationship
the way the Bible says and it's monogamous and we're good to each other, how God revealed

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there's so much sin around that sin.
And this is not just gay people.
This is not just sexual sin.
This is sin in general.
Like you're never just doing one sin.
We're always doing all the sins.
We're going on each other.
Lord, open our eyes.
Open my eyes to my sin and let me give it to you and let me watch you refine that.
And you know, as you're sharing your story, I think of second Corinthians four when he talks

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about the veil.
As you're going through the word, the gospel just someone living in sin and happy with
their sin and good and unwilling to change their mind and change their heart and allow God
to change their mind and change your heart, they're not going to see it.
They're just not going to be able to see the truth when they are, when they don't ask
him for it, when they don't repent, change their thinking.

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And that's what you did.
It sounded like you were just in your room desperately like God changed me, lift the veil.
I'm sorry.
I think I don't know.
And it's like the mustard seed faith.
It sounds even like the mustard seed repentance of like, Lord, I might be wrong.
This might not be the best thing for me.

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And if that's true, your humility and walking in, okay, if I'm wrong, show me.
And he's like, great, buckle up for the next three days.
You're about to go on a wet, wet, wet, wet, wet.
But so at the end of that 30 days, so many questions.
At the end of that 30 days, did you, did you, were you like, I'm not gay anymore?

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So yes, I knew I wasn't gay anymore.
I knew I wasn't gay anymore when the Lord invited me into the invitation.
Yeah.
I already knew it was lifting.
Wow.
And I didn't lift.
So from the time you started getting sick.
Yeah.
When the Lord said, test me out in this.
Wow.
I already knew it was lifting.
I already knew when God said, I'm like, I'm going to get free from this.

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And how did I know all of us free?
I wasn't looking at men the way that I looked at them before.
I can look at a guy, but like that guy is just physically attractive.
Sure.
Who doesn't, isn't able to do that.
And I asked some of my straight friends.
When you look at guys, can you just think of guys attractive?
Oh, yeah.
You know, like I just, oh, but has a great jawline.

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Yeah.
Just the perfect lift.
You know, he really does.
You know, I was going to be like, that guy's handsome, I guess.
Yeah.
So demonized, just saying those types of things that we want to, we let the world bring
definitions to things.
And my thing was I wasn't addressing these people in my mind.
I wasn't lusting for guys.

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And how I really also knew is when the Lord said, you're going to show going back to the
gym now.
I was like, okay, because the gym was like my vanity.
Yeah.
And I would go to the gym.
And I'm like, there's a lot of hot guys in here.
I was, I was dialogged like this on my head.
I said, I feel nothing.
I'm not feeling a rouse.
Like I'm not feeling like I want to like go float with a guy and get this guy's number.

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Like I'm like gawking and glaring at a guy.
I'm like, I'm actually can work out in the midst of, in K also around me, the midst of women
wearing the most tightest clothes ever of all time.
And now the men are wearing such tight clothes as ridiculous as well.
It's like the workout clothes I've gotten so much tighter and smaller and less.

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For men and women.
Yes.
And the Lord's eye.
I got you in here and you're going to stay solid.
Yeah.
And I was like, whoa, I'm really free from this thing.
And my thing was this was my time to chase Jesus down and just be with him.
I wasn't thinking about a relationship.
Wow.
I wasn't thinking about pursuing anything else.

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I just wanted to live a holy, consecrated life, not having sex with anyone, not pursuing
anybody.
I'm not trying to pursue a woman.
I wasn't even thinking about that at that time.
I was just going after the Lord and going after God.
And for the first time in a very long time, my prayer life felt extremely real.

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My Bible time is amazing.
I read my Bible every day.
I don't go a day without reading it.
Even if it's just a chapter, it's so pivotal to our walk.
And even scientists have proved it.
A study was done that said people that read their Bible four days a week or more, they

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hooked them up to like a nervous system tracker.
And they were showing people that read the Bible.
Their body was responding to the Word of God.
Wow.
They had them read the Quran and other books of the Bible and their body wasn't coming alive.
So scientifically, I didn't know those 30 days in the Word was also proven in science that

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my body was responding and healing from the Word.
I don't know people I've gotten healed from diseases.
They've told me that their parents would read scripture over their daughter who was
sick with leukemia every day would just read scriptures.
And her body was getting healed.
The Word of God is that powerful.
Prayer is that powerful.

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I literally prayed the G-away.
And that's the lie that they say.
Yeah.
It was consistent prayer and correct prayers and prayers were always repenting.
Yeah.
And it sounds like prayers where you're like, you weren't saying God, fix me, fix me,
change me, take this.
It wasn't that you were commanding God.

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You set your sin aside.
And you said, Lord, I am laying this down.
I only want to see you.
Exactly.
I am not focusing.
I am not putting your goodness on where I am with my sin.
I'm putting your, I'm giving my sin away, taking my eyes off my sin and putting them on you
and who you are and who you say I am.
And that's it.

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Like that's it because I have friends who have gone through church, gay, camps or other
things like that.
And they're like, yeah, it's just like the whole thing is just focused on just trying
not to be gay.
Like the whole time.
And I'm like, well, and not that I never been there.
So again, I'm like, should I even be saying this?

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I don't know.
But from the sound of it, it sounds like they focus so much on being gay and so much on their
sin that Jesus is like a small part of the sin.
Exactly.
When like, flip that.
Focus on Jesus.
Yes.
Focus on who he is.
He created you.
He can, he can do anything.
He already has done miracle after miracle after miracle.

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Just focus, just look at him.
Stop looking at you.
Look at him.
He's still my, that's still my warfare today.
Yeah.
When I think it's all of our.
Yeah, should everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah, but what go ahead?
Well, I was going to say like when you said that, my mom was just thinking because we're
always going to be tempted.
Yes.
And the world doesn't get to define to us what temptation looks like.

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Yeah.
Because the world will say to gay people, all of you're getting tempted today, you're
repressing your feelings.
Yes.
You know what I'm saying?
Yes.
When I'm being tempted.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of the times it has nothing to do with homosexuality.
Yeah.
A lot of the times it has to do with this person piss me off and I want to custom out.

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Yeah.
And God's like, you're going to love them and you're going to choose me.
Yeah.
There's times where it's like, I feel inconvenienced and my flesh has been tempted.
Yeah.
Then there's been times that I have felt a guy flirting with me and the Lord's like,
you're not going to give in.

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Yeah.
You're going to hold your ground.
And I was like, my flesh was like, oh my God, I'm wanting to fly back.
It was like, you're going to hold your ground against this individual.
I don't have to scream a holler at them.
Dada, Dada, Dada.
But I could feel that they battle with some type of perversion.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
It's a sexual lust.

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Yeah.
And so those are like the, and then those are the tops of things that it's like when
those things are happening, my eyes are so focused on Jesus, there's no room for the
temptation to even live in last.
Yeah.
It melts away completely.
And then there's times, months and months and months.
I'm not even tempted at all.
And that there does get to a place like scripture says in James, submit to God, resist the devil,

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and he shall flee from you.
There's a fleeing process that does truly happen when we submit to God long enough.
And there's times that like I just wake up and I just feel completely fine.
Then there's times that the enemy brings an onslaught of attacks.
And I'll hear him say, don't you miss him?
I'm like, no, I don't.
No, I don't.
There's nothing you can possibly give me that would be way better than all the things

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God has already shown me over my life.
And that's the top of warfare that I do.
And it's not screaming.
It's not hollering.
It's realizing like I know where I'm at in God.
And I'm speaking to you, devil, get behind me.
I have no power here.
Yeah.
Because there was one time that he came to me, the enemy.

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I felt an evil presence wraparound my body.
And I heard him say to me, if you stop doing this, he literally said, you've gone too far
in the Lord.
If you stop doing this, I'll give you everything you've always wanted.
And he literally says to me, I know I never gave it to you before.

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I'll finally give you the husband and the kids and you'll be very happy.
And I sat there and I had my eyes closed and I said, are you that stupid?
God has shown me.
He's bringing me a family.
That would be far better than anything you've shown me.
He showed me my future.
He showed me my ministry.
He showed me all the beautiful things, not just that I'm going to have in him, but the

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deep relationship I have with him.
I said, there's nothing you can give me that's better than the Lord.
And I'm not making this up.
I literally heard him go, and then I felt him flee from the room and I felt the evil presence
come off my body.
We live in a spiritual realm.
And this stuff is real.

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It's very real.
And I began to really see, I've even had dreams where demons were in the dream and I spoke
to them and I said, in the name of Jesus, be destroyed.
And I saw this demon chasing me and I saw the blood of Jesus coming to the dream and literally
crush this enemy that was chasing me.

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And I woke up from the dream and I'm like, whoa, this is real.
Oh, yeah, it's real.
I mean, even back to those target when you said, I'd go anywhere and I would find a gay
guy or someone would call me out.
That's attacks from the spiritual realm, like that we're living in.

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How do they, how do they, I don't know, I don't know.
The spiritual world is so much more real than I think the average everyday person, maybe
even Christian wants to give it credit for.
It's we live in a spiritual world.
We live in a spiritual world.
It's why prayer matters.
It's why faith matters.

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It's why truth matters.
It's why we're here today.
And you brought up a good point.
You asked me a question earlier, who was praying for you?
I didn't know who was praying for me at first.
This is so powerful.
When I got fully delivered and I made the post that went viral, I got so many messages

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from intercessors and pastors that remembered me back from when I was 20.
Friends and tons of people that said, I heard from the Lord to be a personal intercessor for
you.
I've been praying for you for over 10 years.
And the Lord showed me in prayer.
He was going to bring you out of this and fully deliver you.

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And you were going to walk in such a power like never before.
And you were going to be walking and flowing with him and being in full time ministry.
I got tons of messages like that.
And I saw how many people were praying for me.
That even said to me how powerful prayer is.

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And I didn't reach out to these people and say, can you pray for me?
Yeah.
The Holy Spirit spoke about me to other people, to lay on their face and spent hours crying
out to God to bring me out.
I'm real.
And they would tell me when they were writing, they'd say, I'm crying, typing this.
My prayer finally came to pass.

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And it changed my whole mind that so many people were praying for me and how powerful prayer
is.
And just because it's not happening on your timeline, does it mean it's not going to happen?
That whole backslip in season, I learned so much.

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And the Lord I believe was like, I'm going to rip you out of this.
Because my heart truly wanted to come out of it.
But I'm also going to teach you so much.
And I have learned so, so much.
Yeah.
He really is.
I mean, you brought up Jacob wrestling with God.

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You brought up Israel and how that was always like a marker in your mind to watch Israel.
And it feels like you're such a good representation of God's relationship with Israel, which is
obviously representation of us.
Always of like, here's your chance.

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Oh, you missed it.
Okay, here's another chance.
Oh, you missed it.
Here's another chance.
Here you go.
Oh, miss that one too.
I'm back.
You're going to listen to me.
I am for you.
You are my child.
Listen.
What I have for you is better.
And even with that, with what you said that you felt the enemy said, all I was thinking
is he's promising you a counterfeit.

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Exactly.
He's promising you.
First of all, he's probably not going to keep his promise.
But if he did, it's all, it's counterfeit.
It's not the real thing.
He wants to make you believe something that is almost true while tied in with chaos and
lies and sin and pain.
And who knows whatever else?

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And just like you told Eve in the garden.
If you eat of this, you will fully see what God sees.
It was a lie.
They saw so much more that completely destroyed them.
Yeah.
And it's like, that's what Satan loves to do to us.
He loves to offer us what looks like it's one thing only.
And it's like literally comes with so much destruction.

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Yeah.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
And we still give in to him.
But thank God for Jesus.
Yeah.
You know?
Yeah.
And the fiction of Jesus, which is one of the most important things in the Bible, what
he did on that cross literally broke the chains for so many people like myself to get

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free.
Yeah.
And to experience a loving, intimate, real, supernatural relationship with a man we've never
seen face to face.
Yeah.
It's insane.
Yeah.
It's so good.
Okay, so you mentioned you want a family and God has promised you a family.
So that kind of leads to the question, are you fully attracted to women now?

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Yeah.
So what happened with that about seven months in?
I'm not even thinking about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not even thinking about it.
I'm just spending time with the Lord.
And at this point, the Lord tells me to go back and read Genesis.
Okay, we'll read it.
I don't know what I'm going to find.
Yeah.
I've been talking so many times.
Yeah.

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I begin to read it.
I'm like, oh, God, something was awakening.
Just reading.
God said Adam was lonely.
Adam didn't say he was lonely.
God saw that Adam was lonely.
Yeah.
So God knows when a person's lonely.
And you don't take matters into your own hands to fulfill the loneliness.

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Yeah.
That was my weakness from before.
Yeah.
So as I'm reading Genesis, I'm repenting.
I'm like, I took matters into my own hands.
And this connects to your story here.
The guy I dated for three years, when I said the prayer for him, I was going through deliverance.
I repented for so many things.
That took like eight or nine days.
Yeah.
And God said to me, you forgot one thing.

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I said, what?
We've went through most of the sexual stuff I've done with him.
I went through the love of his family.
The pain it caused.
God said, no, no, no, no, you worshiped him.
When you prayed that prayer, you took me off the throne.
And literally God says, you wanted to be like him.

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And God said, no one ever deserves that place.
No friend, no family member, not even your future wife.
I said, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.
Wife.
God said, yeah, your wife that I'm going to bring you, she doesn't even deserve this place.
There is no one that you should be giving your entire being and identity over to and

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taking me out of that place.
And I'm like, God, you're right.
I wanted to move exactly where he wanted me to move.
When he wanted me to wear certain t-shirts or shirts, I would wear what he wanted.
I began to diminish myself and do whatever he wanted.
Now, I'm not talking about when you're in a biblical marriage with your husband and
your wife that you know, if your husband's like, I wish you would dress up more.

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We're not talking about that type of stuff.
We're talking about when you literally are a slave in your soul and you're doing whatever
you can to keep the person.
And you're literally compromising.
I was going to literally move to live where he's lived to do all this stuff.
So I had to pray your prayer to de-thrown him from that place.

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And I said, God, please come back and sit on the throne of my heart.
And then Romans chapter 1, 26, revealed itself to me where it says they traded the worship
for God for the worship of the creation.
And it starts listing out homosexuality.
Wow.
So I was worshiping Miramortal flesh and not God.

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And the scripture says that the Lord took off his restraining hand to give them over to
their pleasures.
How does this connect with being attracted to women?
As I went through those prayers and I was reading through Genesis, the word literally delivered
me.
So as I'm reading Genesis, I begin to pray or pray to say, God, I do feel lonely.

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And I do want to be married.
And I started to feel the loneliness.
I started to weak in prayer when I was bawling and I was crying as I'm reading about Adam
and Eve and I said, God, I want my soul mate to complete my journey on this earth.
As I'm praying those prayers, a movie real starts playing in my head.

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I see myself in a coffee shop, which is interesting because I like coffee.
Yeah.
So I'm like, okay, this is cool.
I mean, it was like a movie just playing in my head.
I didn't get my eyes and roll back in the back of the head.
But it was God giving me life.
Yeah.
And I saw this woman rating it.
Beautiful.
She was a cross shining off of her.
She came up to me and she wrapped her arms around me, put her hand on my chest and

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lean her hands on my shoulder.
I began to weep in the natural.
And in this vision type thing, she says to me, I love everything about you, even your past.
I knew at that moment, the Lord has a wife for me outside of all the prophecies because
I have received tons of prophecies that I would have a wife.

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I wanted something directly from the Lord for me that touched me at a supernatural level.
The prophecies were great.
I'm not diminishing those.
They were a great foundation.
And they were proving and testifying to what I was already filling in my heart.
But that day, when that encounter happened, something opened up in me and I began to find

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women attractive to the point that it was unhealthy that I would go to restaurants and I would
see a very attractive woman.
And I'm like, I want to test this out.
And I would be like, flirt.
I didn't catch myself flirting with the server.
And she was very beautiful.
She's flirting back with me and my friends were like at the table, are you flirting with
her?

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I said, yeah.
I was like, she's hot.
And I'm like, but then I'm like, God, what am I doing?
She's not even saved.
I was preaching what to make out with her and kiss her.
I'm like, wait, I gotta stop.
I gotta stop.
I said, this is not what God's calling me to do.
Because my whole thing is it's like, I'm going to wait for God to bring the woman he has
for me.

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I'm not going to get on with this.
You made it this far.
Yeah.
I'm not going to get on dating apps and try to make this happen.
And I'm also not going to try to date worldly women.
I'm going to trust God.
And he told me, and multiple people have prayed for me and felt the same thing.
Her wife's coming.
He's going to bring her to you.
God brought Eve to Adam.
Yeah.

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And I prayed that verse, turned it into a person.
I want it like this.
And every single time I go to a church, someone would call me out.
It's like a target was on my back.
And people would just prophesy over me and get a word of knowledge from me.
And everything would be right on.
God's redeeming everything you've lost.

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Plus more.
You're going to walk further than you've ever walked before.
People would prophesy over me.
You're going to hear the literal words.
Well done, good and faithful servant, which they didn't know.
That was what I cried out for.
And they would prophesy, God is bringing your wife.
Wow.
So I had all this back.
He's bringing her.

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Just like you us.
And I had all this backing, not just from when I was gaining in prayer.
And that's why prophecy is so powerful.
It was encouraging me.
I'm on the right path.
Yeah.
And so that's what ended up changing.
And so now at my church, I've had girls that are attracted to me.
And I've had to even be careful with that because I'm not trying to be dating around church

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like that.
But a lot of them don't line up with the prophecies.
So they've already gotten next in my mind because I'm not lining up verbatim with some of
the things.
But long story short, I am attracted to women.
And it has been a crazy mental mind change that is supernatural.
I didn't go through any therapy.

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I didn't go into a personal counseling session with a counselor or sit down with a pastor
and start dialoging and not saying that's not powerful.
I just went to God and stayed with him and prayed and read the word and the word delivered
me and healed me and changed my affections toward women.
So when I mean certain gay people in this, I'm just going to be a gay Christian to be

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celibate.
So I'm going to be a Christian.
I still identify as gay, but I'm not going to have sex with men.
There's a couple of men I've challenged on that theology, that thinking, a lot of theology
is just a thinking.
And I gave them what I just lined out to you.
Their mind started to open up.
And they said, "Oh my God, I've made ultimatums toward God where I think I know what I'm

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talking about."
I've had some of these gay men tell me, "Oh my God.
I've said incorrect things."
And they now are not saying that.
They got convicted.
They've done some of the prayers and read some of the scriptures I've read.
Now God has changed their hearts and they've been in a apologize to other people that they've

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told that it's okay to be a gay, celibate Christian.
They don't get me wrong.
When you're getting delivered and set free, that might be where God brings you initially.
But that's not where He's going to leave you.
He's eventually going to bring you all the way through if you stay with him.
Because being gay and Christian is not a thing.
God is going to deliver you from being gay.

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But I also don't want to water down that being single is also not a ministry of Christ in
the Bible and that it's okay to be single.
Yeah.
Because that's also beautiful.
Because I'm still single.
And I've had a great time being single with the Lord.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Some very intimate times.
There's nothing you can't have intimate times with the Lord when you're married.

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But it feels like you're kind of describing that as you were, when you were sick, that
you had this month where you were just quarantined with God.
Like you and God, and that's it.
You and God in His word going through it.
And that's, I mean, you kind of had to be alone for that.

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It seems like, you know?
Okay.
Last few questions to close out here.
How do you feel like your relationship is with, with men you've had relations with or
relationships with in the past and they're coming to you with advice and want you to mentor
them and lead them in this way to Christ through this process that you walk through with

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God.
How is that?
How does that relationship work?
Do you feel like there are, is there any hesitation or do you try to say, here, let me give you,
hand you off to someone else who can help you or do you feel comfortable and confident
walking them through what you've gone through despite your history with them?

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Yeah.
So a couple of things here.
Yes, I feel very comfortable and confident because I know I'm delivered to help people.
A lot of these people that have reached out to me because a lot of my ex partners are
not in Florida.
So because of that, some of them have reached out and texted me.
We've done phone calls.

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And sometimes they've crossed the line.
And they're like, are you sure?
Like now that you're like, okay, like you're Christian and maybe we can just make it work.
And I've had to tell them I said, stop.
Yeah.
I said, it's not going to happen.
I said, we can keep having these phone calls.
It's not everybody.
But I'm just giving that as an example because I've had to hold my ground and tell them, this

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is not happening.
You're not going to get this aroused and then you're pulled out of me.
I said, I have no desire to want to do this.
I'm free.
And then they'll let us say, you're right.
You're right.
I'm sorry.
But I'm also showing them grace and compassion because someone's going to have to.
That's expected when someone's coming out from just a lot of love, men or women.

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And so it doesn't get on me.
Now, when it comes to if someone wanted to meet up in person, I would not be somewhere
private with them.
Yeah.
I would go to a coffee shop or a place where we're publicly in a place that's safe because
I don't want my testimony evil spoken of.
Yeah.
I don't want to be in a private arena or a private room where someone is weak and say they

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get up or like they just like come over and kiss me or like they try to force themselves
on me.
I don't know if that would ever happen because I've not been in those situations.
Yeah.
I don't want to make room for those things that happen.
Right.
Because the book of Jew tells us to snatch people out of the fire of hell.
But to also be careful that your garments don't get stained in the process.

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Knowing that that is a scripture, knowing that that's been laid out as a protective measure,
I'm careful with one-on-one counseling with certain people.
So when people have wanted to meet in public for the safety of both of us, I'll say we
can meet here.
Yeah.
Or do you feel comfortable bringing a friend along?

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Yeah.
So that's been my stance on it.
I think there's just wisdom in that for anyone ministering to anybody.
Oh, yeah.
I think someone should always be in the room with you.
No, when I'm on the phone with them, I don't do that.
I feel safe on the phone.
But yeah, that's basically like where I've been with that.
Yeah.

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Because a lot of people have reached out to me for mentorship.
Yeah.
I have confessed weaknesses like I just slipped up last week.
Yeah.
Like, okay, let's pray through that.
We're not going to condemn you.
Why did you mess up?
Where did you feel it slipped?
Why did you give in and go have sex?
And we walk through it.
Yeah.
And they get freedom instead of bashing them.
Yeah.

(55:12):
But that's pretty much where I'm at with that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
Just basic healthy boundaries.
Yeah.
And protecting my own self.
Yeah.
Like, there's days people reach out to me and I'm not anyone's rescuer.
Yeah.
So Lord.
Yeah.
So even when I talk to these people, I tell them, you can't call me every week.
You have to get on your face and seek God.
And these are the five things that I did.

(55:33):
And it's going to cost you absolutely everything to follow Jesus.
And you may have to cut out, cut off.
Not me.
Sorry, I'm going to take that out.
You will have to cut out all of these friends out of your life.
Yeah.
Does it mean that you're blocking them or, but you can't be going to the bars with them.
Yeah.
So I say a lot of these things to people.

(55:53):
And it's offensive to them.
Yeah.
Because they don't know.
They're not realizing it takes this much to follow Jesus.
So I've had to walk through that with people.
Yeah.
And I don't hear back from weeks and they fall and they come back and they're like desperate
because it's not like what they want to be doing.
Yeah.
And I've seen tremendous testimonies from that.
Wow.
They had to go back out there and get their butts whipped a little bit.
Then they come back and now they're owning God.

(56:15):
Yeah.
And I'm like, wow, this is fun.
All the pressures off of me to disciple.
Yeah.
I'm kind of just letting God do the work.
And I've also protected my sanity and my time like someone gave me some wisdom one time
and said, you're about to get busy.
I see it over your life.
You're about to be traveling.
You're about to be speaking.
You need to go ahead and say these are the days that I'm going to be away with the Lord.

(56:40):
You cannot book me or do an album on my family whenever my wife and kids come.
And I'm like, that's accurate.
So I've been practicing that now.
Good.
I'm going to be away with you on this day, Lord.
And I'm not going to be ministering to people.
Yeah.
And it's been powerful.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's awesome.
I love that.
So your story included, you were molested when you were little, but a lot of, I'm sure a lot

(57:06):
of gay people, I have heard it.
Well, I was born this way.
I was born this way.
I wasn't hurt.
I had a great family.
I didn't have these wounds, that wounds.
I just was born this way.
What would your advice be to somebody who feels that way or their family says, oh, they
were just born this way, but we know God has more for them, has different for them.

(57:28):
This isn't a plan.
See has for them.
Do you have any advice for that versus someone who may say, well, you had all this healing
to go through because you had all these wounds that maybe, I mean, we all have wounds.
Maybe you're just, you're more apparent.
You're more outspoken with yours.
But what would you say to somebody who said they were born that way?

(57:50):
I think we're all born into sin.
We are.
We are.
Yeah.
And so because of that, different people sins manifest in different ways.
And because of that, I got molested.
Yes.
And other gay people love to attack me in the comment section saying, well, I wasn't molested.
Well, I know people that have been raped and molested and they don't want to have sex.

(58:11):
So we can't say because someone was molested that made them gay because I still loved sin.
And the malastation didn't stop that.
I still pursued sin and loved it.
And people that feel like they're born gay still love sin and pursue sin.
So regardless of the genesis of your life and how you started, we're all born into sin.

(58:38):
And our parents are not God.
Jesus literally tells us you're going to have to hate your mother and father.
That's literal.
That's not dishonoring them.
But that word hate and translation means you have to literally physically hate any thoughts
that they say that does a line of scripture, any type of views or teachings that doesn't

(59:00):
line up with God that could lead you astray.
So when Jesus was saying that and preaching that, it's because family tradition was so
strong during that time.
So when you have a bunch of gay people that say, well, my parents accept me.
They're not God.
They didn't die on a cross.
They don't make you born again.

(59:21):
And so we try to explain these things with human reasoning.
There's nothing about the Bible that falls into human intellect and human reasoning.
Jesus dying on a cross and somehow wiping away all sin will sound crazy to unbelievers.

(59:43):
But then when us as Christians experience him and we feel the power of the cross transforming
our lives, that's what I say to people like this.
I don't care if you were molested or not.
The guy I dated for several years, he said he was never molested.
He always felt gay.
We can get into daddy did this.

(01:00:05):
He wasn't in the household.
Mommy was this.
I know people that went into sexual sin just because they were physically abused by their
parents.
Yeah.
I know people that went into it just because they play with girls all the time growing up.
Yeah.
And they're like, I just want to kiss you and they kiss and it opened up something.
Yeah.
It doesn't always have to be.
It's this.
Yeah.

(01:00:26):
Yeah.
It's just it's sin.
Yeah.
And Satan comes to kill Stylen destroy and wants to rip everyone away from God and there's
different sins that do different things.
And yes, generationally, I begin to found out there was loss of sexual perversities in my
family line on both sides.

(01:00:47):
So yes, maybe someone that was passed down, but there's a scripture that says in the Bible
where they bring the boy that was getting attacked.
And the father wanted him and the disciple said, who caused this boy to be this way?
Was it something from his parents that got passed down?
And Jesus said, no, this was so that the glory of God could be made manifest.

(01:01:13):
So when God healed him, God was glorified.
Yeah.
When I go to glorify a father's past sexual sin, that's not more powerful than Jesus.
When I go to glorifies Katie, kiss you when you were younger.
It's a part of you getting healed.
But let's be honest, those things happen to a lot of us and we still choose sin.

(01:01:36):
That's why we have to be born again.
Yeah.
We are new creations in Christ.
And that's not just quoting it.
That's not just reading it and speaking it.
It is a supernatural power.
And that's why I believe Jesus says repent and turn from your wicked ways, which should
be more than just a day or running down to an altar call where everybody raises their hand.

(01:01:57):
You should spend time turning from your wicked ways and learning why your ways are wicked
by reading the Bible.
Scripture says you need to get water baptized.
There's a supernatural cleansing.
And when I got baptized, something powerful hit me when I came out of that water.
The Holy Spirit rested on me.

(01:02:18):
And then it says get filled with the Holy Spirit.
Those three things literally are the bedrock of our faith.
And so with that, I believe that answers your question about, can you just be born gay?
Well, obviously, I believe anyone's born into sin and a spirit of anything can attach

(01:02:43):
to anybody.
Strongholds can be attached to anybody.
Think about someone that murdered someone, someone that molested children.
Something happened in those people's life that brought them to that place.
They didn't just wake up one day and say, well, I want to do this.
You go to talk to people in prison.
They're like, I don't know what came out of me when I killed her that night.
I had so much anger.

(01:03:04):
I just wanted to take it out of someone.
And it really wasn't even the girl they were mad at.
They were just mad about several things in life that brought anger to a murderer's situation.
And so that's my thoughts on this.
That literally anything can happen when you're literally born into this world.

(01:03:27):
And Jesus can deliver every single person from any sin, any amount of shame, whether you
murdered someone no matter what it is, homosexuality, all of it.
Jesus does the work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, how can we be praying for you in your ministry, our viewers, the people watching,
our family?

(01:03:49):
How can we cover you in prayer?
Yeah, I think the main thing I always tell people, it's just the bedrock of what I'm doing.
I want to hear well done, good and faithful servant.
And so when I tell people to pray for me, pray that I accomplish with humility and the
lightness of Christ, every single work he has predestined over my life to accomplish.

(01:04:09):
But I stay in intimacy with the Father that I never start reading my word and that I love
God first always.
That's what I tell people to pray for me for because to me and everything comes out of that.
So that's what I ask everyone to pray for me for.
And if they feel like the praying more, I'll go ahead.
If you don't want to pray for his wife to go money and let's do that.

(01:04:31):
I'm getting it.
I'm getting fatigued with this.
Oh.
Yeah.
Well, she may add some fatigue to your life, but she'll add so much more good.
For sure.
For sure.
Spoken as a wife, I can confidently say, we bring both.
That's a good.
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much for being here today.
And I am super excited to know you and watch your ministry unfold and you're walk with the

(01:04:56):
Lord, continue to bless people and change lives.
It's amazing.
Thank you so much for having me.
This has been a pleasure.
And I just pray blessings over this podcast series.
Thank you.
God will come through the cameras and touch souls.
Yes.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Thank you guys so much for being here today and joining us for this conversation with Justin

(01:05:17):
Bristol.
If you are watching on YouTube, please like, subscribe, comment, let us know you're here.
Let us know what you think.
If you have any questions or comments, you can email us at sup.
That's sup@stuffgodneversaid.com.
And you can find us on Instagram at @stuffgodneversaid.

(01:05:39):
We'll see you next time.
Bye.
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