Facing Cancer & Finding Hope: Christin Hart’s Incredible Survival Story - Pt 2 - Stuff God Never Said

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Oh, much of all this has also shaped my perspective of God.

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And I feel like I'm relearning who God is.
And what his character is really like.
I think I believed a deep lie that God was not really safe or not really for me.
If God is always with you, then where was he?
Guys, welcome back to another episode of Stuff God Never Said.

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With me today is my dear friend, Christin Hart.
She is known under the Instagram handle as Cancer Warrior Christin.
She has an incredible testimony of a untreatable cancer diagnosis
that she allowed God to use to completely restore the most broken parts of her
story and her life and overall her health and well-being.

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So she has so much insight to share with all of us.
And I have no doubt at all that her story is going to bless so, so many.
So thank you for being here and welcome Christin.
I was like, you know what?
I don't choose this.
I'm like, there's got to be another way.
There's got to be something, you know, and I had been reading

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Dr. Antonio, him and his book Hope for Cancer for a long time, just researching
stuff. That's what you needed.
You need to go. Right.
Great. And so I was like, I want to go there, but it's $50,000.
Yeah, further your program.
And I was like, I don't have that kind of money sitting around, you know?

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And so I asked the Lord, I was like, this is what I want to do.
So if there's a way, make the way.
And I had some good friends rally around me.
And they're like, we're going to start a go fund me for you.
And within a week, I raised all that money a week.
Yeah. And that was like, a miracle.

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So happy for you.
It was just like, it was a total miracle.
And I didn't expect that, you know?
And so then the next thing I know, I'm like scrambling to get all my paperwork
together and send it off to Mexico and make sure everything's good.
And I call my sister, who's a stay at home mom.

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And because I knew she'd be available.
I have another sister, but she's got two little kids and works full time.
But he's like, you want to come with me to Mexico for three weeks and can't
coon. And she's like, yeah.
And I'm like, great.
And but I invited her intentionally because her and I are very, very much

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alike with the whole, you know, trauma, no emotion stuff.
And I just, I knew if I went there, they were going to treat the whole
person because that's what they talked about in the book.
Like they don't just treat the cancer they treat.
They believe like healing happens when you treat the whole person body, mind
and soul. And so she's one of my best friends.

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And I was, would be really comfortable with her.
And so then we went.
We were off.
And when I got to Mexico and I was actually really, oh, I had actually
a salivary stone surgery, like two weeks before I went because I wanted
to remove the inflammation in my body.
And so as soon as I was done recovering from that, actually got really sick.

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And I was not getting better.
So I flew to Mexico sick.
And it was like voting day one of those like in between that time.
Oh, and wait, in America, yeah, in America, like I had to go vote early
before I left. And I remember like going to the, going to the polls, it was
like pouring rain.

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And like on the way home, like I'm just like convulsing like shivering because
I'm so sick, you know, I'm like, I'm not going to miss that.
Anyway, so we get to Mexico.
And I remember just walking out onto the balcony and looking at the ocean.
It's like the blueest, most beautiful ocean I've ever seen in my life.

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And it just hit me like how everyone came together to send me there.
Like strangers, like it didn't even know.
And to hopefully save my life.
And I just was like gratitude is not a good word.

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There's just like no way to convey that and to give somebody that kind of a gift,
you know, and like I knew how special it was to be able to be there.
And, um, and so that week was just the first week was a whirlwind.

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You know, they keep you busy.
You're running through like 20 different treatments a day and, um,
and like physical things and doing all this testing and blood work in my,
when I first got there, my tumor markers actually went up from my scan,
like from when I had my blood work done, like just a month before they'd started going up.

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And so I was like, okay, and I still had doubts.
I had a lot of doubts that like this was going to help me.
And I was pretty skeptical and I had all my walls up and just,
you know, going through going through stuff and, um, every morning at Hope for Cancer,

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they meet before you go in for your treatments.
They do a prayer and worship time and then people can share like something.
And not everybody there is a person of faith or believes in God.
And so it's a really interesting kind of mix, but everybody there is going through cancer.

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And it kind of feels like you're on a mission strip a little bit like, you know,
you cut through all the fluff of life, like nothing really matters anymore.
And you bond with these people in a way that like I could never imagine, you know,
it's like you just get really real, real quick.
And, um, I remember one of the first days I was there this, um, this man came up to me.

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And he's like, I've been thinking about you.
I was talking with your sister and getting to know her and your story.
And he's like, I just feel like the Lord is telling me to tell you to just surrender.
Just like let your walls down and just surrender to what he wants to do.
Any while you're here.
And it's like, thank you.

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I really needed to hear that.
And, um, that theme came up a lot the first week.
And so I just was more intentional about like going with the flow and they have you
meet with like a counselor while you're there and you start really diving into the psychology
of why you got sick and where that illness came from.

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And so, you know, when I was a young girl, probably like seven or eight, I was, um, sexually
molested and it lasted for about a year of what I can remember.
And, um, I remember telling my parents about it and he was really terrified, but I was

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really just wanting it to stop.
And, um, they confronted the person and they denied everything.
And I just felt like I didn't get what I needed.
I didn't get the justice I needed.
I was just, it was just kind of all shoved aside.
And it was never really talked about again in my family.

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It was like it didn't really happen.
It's really weird.
Even still to this day, it's like we don't talk about it.
And, um, or they didn't think it was that big of a deal or because of the way way it
happened.
I don't know.
But anyway, I remember being in a therapy session.
I hope for cancer.
And he explains to me how all the science of this works and, and then there's this book

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called like the Encyclopedia of Elements and Diseases actually have it not home.
Super fascinating.
I just ran some stuff to Sam the other day.
He's like, how does it know all this stuff about me?
Wild number of that.
Yeah.
And, um, I'm reading through it all and it's like, you know, thyroid cancer develops

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because somebody took away your will or somebody silenced your voice or somebody suppressed
your will.
Um, like all those kinds of themes, I wish I had it in front of me because it's just so detailed.
Um, and I was like, okay.
And then you kind of carry that like mentality.

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I don't know if we're, or I did my perspective as a young kid was like, well, no one is going
to listen to me anyway.
So I'm just going to keep it inside because when I tried to reach out for help, um, that was
too painful.
That was too painful and too hurtful.

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And I'm not ever going to let anybody take away my voice and I'm not going to let anybody
ever hurt me like that again.
And I remember making that promise to myself.
And so I shut people out like even my own family to a certain degree that I didn't even really
fully realize until I started doing all this work, especially in my marriage.

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And, um, just, you know, these things that you carry with you, like not wanting to rock the
bow or it's too exhausting to like speak up for yourself or say certain things or, I don't
know, like I just, it was too, it was like ingrained into my DNA.

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Like, I don't know how to explain it.
But so yeah, we're talking about all this stuff.
And then later in that, my time, I hope for cancer, I went into meet with Dr. Tony and God was
doing a lot of things while I was there.
And I was like, stirring open up more and feeling a little bit lighter and like just having

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a good time and like getting to know these other people who are, you know, other own stories
and like getting to hear some of those and, and them.
So we, you get your consult with Dr. Tony.
He personally looks over your case and just reevaluates it and make sure that they don't
miss anything.

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And he told me he's like, okay, Kristen, he's like, for you, the emotional part, I think is
going to be the biggest piece.
And so if there's people in your life or somebody that, you know, basically said something
to you where that hurt you or you feel like you didn't get to say what you really wanted

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to in that situation and letting those situations happen, kind of like just reinforce all this
pain.
You know, he's like, go to the ocean and just imagine that person's there in front of you
and tell them what, what was wrong and what you needed in that moment.

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Just tell them like you should have listened to me when I tried to tell you this.
You should have stood up for me.
Those kinds of things.
So and he's like, and say it out loud, say it out loud because it gets it out of your body.
And it like starts that healing process.

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And so I started doing that like on a regular basis, like I don't write letters.
I go to a quiet place and I speak these things.
And, um, and it kind of results it, you know, I mean, even if like,
it's like it just changes your perspective because like looking back, I have amazing parents.

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They're a good parents.
I believe they did the best that they could that they knew how.
But for some reason, my eight year old brain didn't understand that because of how it made
me feel.
Yeah.
And so I needed to express how it felt.
And, um, and forgive them and forgive tons of situations, you know what I mean?

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Just as you're saying, a lot about like speaking, speaking it out loud, I've,
I heard the scripture growing up about like kind of using like the name and claimant kind of way.
But I think like God reveals things about his creation in his word and proverbs eight or 1218.

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No, 1821 says death and life are in the power of the tongue and those who love it eat its fruit.
And, and that's like literally.
Dr. Tony is telling you what God has already told us that you need to release.
From your tongue, from your mouth, the thing that is stuck inside that's trying to kill you, release it.

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Let it go. And like the power of the tongue is bringing you back to life.
And I think that's so cool.
And I don't think that's a coincidence because nothing is a coincidence.
But we just have like such this like specific, just thoughts about healing based on whatever culture we're in or whatever.

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Surround our surrounding saying or doctors or whatever, but it's so cool that this doctor is biblically teaching you about healing.
And that's just so cool.
Yeah.
Dr. Tony is a really humble, amazing guy.
And yeah, like it's just, you know, an hindsight looking at all this.

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It's like how redemptive that is.
Like where you were broken is like the where the path to healing.
Yeah.
Like walking through that in like the reverse.
Yeah.
Do you know what I mean?
So that's kind of when the whole emotional stuff really started kind of connecting and clicking.

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And yeah, absolutely.
Like there's so many verses like that now.
Like when I read the Bible, like looking at it from the lens of like redemption and restoration.
Like as a whole person, like there's so much of that in scripture.
And like because it's good for us.

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Yeah.
Like it's literally keeping us healthy and safe.
Yeah.
But we don't think about that.
You know, yeah, a lot of things like even weird things in the Bible.
Yeah.
Or it like doesn't even compute as, oh, maybe that's literal.
And maybe that's actually telling me like, yeah, what to do.
Yeah.

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Hope for cancer wrapped up and I didn't really want to leave because it felt like
the experience I had there by the by the time it was all done, I felt like I was walking out of that place.
Like a totally different person.
Like something shifted inside of me.
And so I just kind of made a little promise to myself for like this, you know, commitment.

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It was like from this point forward, we are not looking back.
We are going to be a different person.
And God is redeeming me and restoring me.
And I'm going to walk in that.
However scary or unknown that is because the old Kristen, like when I had a thyroid

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and like before the cancer was removed, like I was, I felt like I was dead.
Like I was really just surviving.
And survival feels like a prison.
And I didn't want to live the rest of life surviving.
Yeah.
I wanted to live the abundant life, whatever that meant.

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And so fully alive, fully afraid, fully courageous, all the things.
And so I came home and you know, my Instagram started blowing up
and I was like, why are all these people like listening to me?

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You know, and again, that was just like I think a thing from the Lord where it wasn't.
I didn't start it to have a platform or be an influencer or whatever you want to call it.
It was like, it was an exercise for me to use my voice and share my story as a healing process for me.

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And so I felt like a lot of other people connected with that story.
And a lot of cancer warriors, when you get to know them are very kind,
and passive, and nice people who bad things happen in their life.

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And they just took it in, you know.
And some of the most amazing people that I've met.
And so it's like, you know what?
Whatever happens, I'm just going to share it in real time.
If I live or I die, like I just told God, like I just don't want to waste my life anymore.

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So whatever that looks like, I'm an open book.
Let's go.
I have nothing to lose anymore at this point.
And so I went in for my three month checkup and I met with my oncologist and when was this?
How long had it been since?
Yeah.
So I went to hope for cancer in November.

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I was there like all of November, 20, 24.
Okay.
And then in January of 20, 25 this year, I went in for my three month checkup
because I had to hope for cancer once a day, send back your labs and all your stuff so they can keep an eye on you.
And so I went into my appointment and I was going to do some blood work and we were going to talk about PET scans.

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Just to see what was going on and I was really scared.
You know, it was like, what if it's still going up and all this stuff?
And and my oncologist was not happy with me.
He was pretty upset.
I hadn't seen him in like three to four months.
And and then I started explaining to him like, well, I added an integrative oncologist to my team.

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And we're doing all these therapies and, you know, to help my body like restore my immune system and all these things.
And and he just like like his face changed and he was like, those people are not going to cure you.
And I just was like, I didn't know what to say to this man.

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Okay. And I was like, and you are like, I don't know, but give me three terrible choices to choose from.
So I was like, okay, he's like, well, no.
And then he got really like a sort of, he was like, you need surgery and radiation like immediately.
Like this is like it totally changed like my first experience with him.

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So he's like, we're into your labs and you need to go on for PET scan.
So I did that and I had a whole protocol from hope for cancer about a detox all the radiation.
And anyway, I take Sam with me to my next appointment because I'm like, I'm not going to let this guy just bully, bully me, I guess.

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And so he we wait for an hour and he finally comes in and he's like, well, I really don't know what to say.
I went over your radiology report and I took it to the to the radiologist and just had him look it over.
And then we both took it to the head radiologist and had him look it over and it looks like

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there's nothing in your chest like it's it's gone or like there's no activity.
Can't remember how he said it, but I was like, what?
I was kind of in disbelief. I was like, in Sam was like, what are you saying?
Can you say that again? He's trying so hard not to say it.
He was ready to like, uh-huh.

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And he's like, well, you know, like there's reasons like your previous PET scan could have been inaccurate and
but okay.
I'm like, well, do you think the radioactivity and started working?
He's like, no, that's not likely for it to like work this far into your journey or like into your into this time and

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I'm like, so there's no cancer in my chest like it's gone.
And he's like, yeah, there's no activity. It's there's nothing there.
And I'm like, just give him a little smile.
And I don't say anything.
And I'm like, I don't have to prove myself like in this situation.

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But um, and for you, I'd be like, could you say that louder, please?
Can I get that in writing?
Yeah.
Can I record you?
I still want to be his friend.
Like maybe he'll come around and like start looking at these things more seriously.
But person.
But um, so, you know, he did say though, he's like, yeah, you still have like microscopic,

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you know, two, not two, like your tumor markers are still there.
There's still some cancerous activity in your blood work.
But the blood work had gone from like 14.8 down to 12.2.
And so zero for references like cancer free.
Okay.
And so it was going down and so I was like, okay, and your tumor tumors, they were gone.

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We're gone.
Yes.
So there's no masses.
Yes.
I know.
It's wild.
And that happened in how many months, like when was the last time you like definitely had
masses.
Well, I had a PET scan in June of 2024.
So June to January.
Yeah.
They just disappeared.
They just disappeared.

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Coincidentally.
Coincidentally.
It's fantastic.
Yeah.
And so, um,
yeah, Sam was elated, you know, called everybody and they're just like, wow,
and you know, it's funny like listening to different people's responses because some people
are like trying to make sense of it like, well, maybe this happened or maybe like.

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But my favorite part was I sent everything off to hope for cancer.
And Dr. Tony said that he would get on a call with me personally.
And he went over all my labs just to make sure.
And he's like, yeah, Kristen, like we looked at everything and there's no
cancer and like, masses in your body, like, but we're going to keep an eye on your blood,

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blood markers and keep working on that.
He's like, but he's, and then I love us.
He said, this was a was the work of the Lord.
He's like, this was a gift to you.
So think about why this happened and what God wants you to do with this time that you have.
And glorify him.

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My doctor said that to me.
And I was just like, there's this brilliant intellectual
integrative oncologist, probably one of the smartest people I know.
And he's giving credit to the Lord.
And I was like, you're my doctor forever.
And so I told him at that point, I was like, yeah, Dr. Tony, I'm going to,

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I'm going to start integrative health practitioner school and I want to help other people.
I want to help people have hope and realize that when you give their bodies the right things,
they can heal and treating the whole person.
Like us, I wanted to do a small part of what they did for me.

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And I'm sorry.
So
so he said, I'm so proud of you.
So that's wonderful news.
And that just meant so much.
So I finished integrative health practitioner school.

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So now I'm certified integrative health practitioner.
And I hear everybody cheering for you.
And so good.
I know.
That sounds really hard, honestly.
It's not.
Oh, okay.
I mean, I think whatever you're passionate about or whatever, like,
God puts in you, it just kind of makes sense with your story.

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And so it doesn't feel like there's hard moments.
Sure, there's challenges.
But, but it's like the work is light.
Yes.
When you're doing it from that place.
So, and then I went in for another blood, blood work, check up.
When was this end of April?

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And my numbers dropped again.
So now they're down to 10.2.
So things just keep progressing.
And there's other things I'm still learning about my body
that I need to support.
And, you know, just rebalancing it.
And it's like layers.
But it's, yeah, it's just incredible.
So that's amazing.

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Thank you.
God is amazing.
I seriously just love how we all have this version of this story in our own lives where
where it's like, I just like every little piece in strand of your story,
I keep going back to that vision of like God putting gold in you, in your voice,

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and in your stomach and in your organs, and how that representation of that picture is healing
for your insights.
And it was your organs, but it was also just things you believed about yourself, things you believed
about other people.
And probably things you believed about him too, which is like the point of all of this,

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like what lies are we allowing ourselves to believe and has the enemy twisted so that we believe
to so that we don't end up where you are and where you're going, helping other people using
your voice, using like those darkest, scariest moments of your life that other people,
apparently one out of two people will resonate with and feel hopeless.

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And God has allowed you to,
allowed you to, and also you've allowed him to.
There's definitely credit in that where you do surrender.
And you say, I'm here for what you have for me, no matter how uncomfortable.
And it was uncomfortable.
And now your whole purpose is hope in those darkest, lowest moments of so many people's lives.

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And you already are.
Like I see it all the time on Instagram where people are like, oh my gosh,
Kristen taught me this.
Kristen taught me that.
I even, especially the feelings thing hit me.
Like that's definitely,
like the first time we had coffee, you were talking about that.
And I was like, oh dang, I don't do those.

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Yeah.
And I tell Cody a lot of times my husband, I'll be like, I have to tell you this.
Because it's how I feel I think.
And Kristen would say I should talk about it.
And I don't like it.
And don't tell me I'm wrong.
Yeah.
Or just whatever being able to process.
I don't even know.
Yeah.
I don't even know what to do with this.
But I'm getting it out of my body.

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Right.
That I know needs to happen.
Yeah.
So thank you for that.
Even for like me, I feel like that is like actually
done a lot in our marriage and in myself.
So that's really humbling.
Thank you.
No, thank you.
Like everything you are doing has a purpose.
Yeah.

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That's just how it feels.
I just don't want one more day to go by where it's like not intentional.
And like what you're saying, I remember my Jewish Rabbi acupuncturist
in the very beginning.
It sounds like the beginning of a joke.
I love him.
I love him so much.
He's just, he saw things like before I ever was like,

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oh, he sounds incredible.
Smart man.
Yeah.
And he was telling me, he's like, Kristen, you know,
with your emotions and stuff like or your body.
Like when you're praying, he's like,
there's there's dark parts inside of all of us, right?
There's things we hide or things we don't want to talk about because they're painful or

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sickness even like tangible things.
And those are forms of darkness.
And he's saying, when you ask, ask an invite God to come into those places inside of you.
He said, because when you start inviting the Lord into the dark places of your body,

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your emotions, your spirit,
that's where the light comes in and where the light comes in, the darkness cannot prevail.
He's like, but first you always have to invite God.
God is a gentleman and he's not going to intrude.

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Yeah.
And I needed to hear that as like a survivor.
Yeah.
You know, a sexual abuse.
And so I just my, I'm realizing so much of all this has also shaped my perspective of God.
And I feel like I'm relearning who God is.

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And what his character is really like.
Yeah.
And I think I've been just like not for like, it wasn't my fault.
But because of things that happened to us, like my perspective of him was very skewed.
And I didn't see Jesus.

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I didn't see him fully like how he really is.
And I still don't fully, you know, until we're face to face.
But like now,
the relationship I have with him now is so different, you know, moving forward and
and taking him at his word and like, he says these verses are passages to me.

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And it's like, oh, like taking it more literally.
Like walking in that and your faith or holding onto those things and choosing to believe them.
There's just so much doubt and hurt, I think before.
And now it's like the doors kind of cracked open and getting wider and trusting.

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Yeah.
Like there's definitely, I don't know.
It's all interconnected body, spirit and mind, the whole healing experience.
It really is.
And I don't think you can have one without the other.
And that's, that's just my experience.
So yeah, yeah.
It's good.
So I think that we all have a lie that we believe throughout our life about,

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about ourselves, about God, about who he is, about what he says,
that the enemy tries to feed us and that in the dark times of our life, that it gets
bigger and stronger.
And then there's a truth about what God says about it.

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About us, about himself, about our situation.
Do you have a lie that you were believing?
I think it's a hard question to answer because
you have to get really honest.
And you have to, I think, sometimes we may not think there's a lie that we believe, but

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usually our behaviors or actions are symptoms of what we really do believe.
And I think looking at how I lived my life from day to day, I think I believed a deep lie that God
was not really safe or not really for me.

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If God is always with you, then where was he?
What did he keep me safe in my hour of need?
And so that ingrained into me.

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People aren't trustworthy.
God is not trustworthy.
Even though I would never think that.
Yeah.
I believed that just by how I would dance around my relationship.
And we're trying to grab onto finances or these other false securities, right?

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So that kind of fast forward, I didn't believe God was going to heal me.
I didn't think He would come through.
Every time someone would pray for me, I remember thinking like,

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I'm so grateful.
Maybe God will listen to their prayers.
Because I don't know what's wrong with me, but it seems like no matter what I do, like,
it's not working.
Yeah.
I don't know if that makes sense.
Yeah.
So, but God would gently whisper things like, He gave me that passage.

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When I was very first diagnosed, I'm going to read it to you.
Let me grab it from because I don't have it memorized.
Unfortunately, I have the Jewish study Bible.
I love it.
I know I bought it because of you.
But it says, but now this is what Adam and I, he who created you, he who formed you,

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says, do not be afraid.
For I have redeemed you. I am calling you by name and you are mine.
When you pass through the water, I will be with you.
When you pass through the rivers, they will not overwhelm you.
When you walk through fire, you will not be scorched.

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The flame will not burn you.
For I am at and I, your God, the only one of Israel, your Savior.
And I think God for some reason allows us to suffer.
I don't, I don't want to like speak for God, but sometimes it almost feels like,

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when I look at my life of like, okay, I'm 40 years old now.
And 40 is a significant number in the Bible as well.
The first 40 years in my life literally felt like,
I was being dragged through fire, you know, like in certain moments or like going through a sexual

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abuse, but I wasn't burned. I wasn't destroyed, you know, like having a difficult marriage.
I wasn't destroyed having other ailments, having cancer, you know, God leading me through these
deep waters, like these really difficult seasons.

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But he said, I'm, I've redeemed you and I will never abandon you.
And sometimes I wonder if I had to go through all of that because it was part of his
sovereign plan and purpose for my life to get to this moment, to really understand the depth

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of who he is and his love and his faithfulness to heal me like in my soul and my body and my mind
to lead me on a new path, to really understand the gravity of like what the gift is
of walking with Jesus. Yeah. If who he is and he didn't leave me there.

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You know, like, but it took like this up 40 years up until this point to like really understand that,
to be like, I never abandoned you. I never left you. Like I didn't want those terrible things to
happen to you. But I'm redeeming you. I'm trying to figure out how to say it better, but like it makes

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sense in my soul. It was my perspective. Like it was the circumstances that happened to you. Like I
think that's the lie is like these things happen in our life and we want to blame God or we want to
not trust people or trust God, but it's not God that's doing that to us. It's like, that's just living

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in a sinful world and it can blind us or cloud our vision because we're human and we, with that's how
we learn, that's how we adapt. It's like by our experiences. And so this was my experience, you know,
like my experience was like really hard things throughout my life. And so that's my experience shaped

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more of my view of God instead of God's word or his truth shaping my view of him. And
but that's the power of the Holy Spirit is somehow it's like you don't really know how it works.
But he comes into these, you know, dark moments or at the end of our rope moments or despair moments

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and somehow meets us there and invites us into healing and restoration, but he's not going to force us.
It's like we have to surrender. And when we do it, it transforms us. And like it feels like
you that's like the real like that's where salvation happens. Yeah. To know any mean in this soul.

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It's not like a prayer, be prayer or it's like experiencing and trusting and walking with God.
Yeah, the sanctification process. Yeah. There's a so Malachi 33 is like my
real into that verse right now. It says he's going to he's he sits as the refiner of man as the

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refiner of golden silver. So I've been like deep into figuring out what that means.
And like specifics about so the silver refining process because I'm like this better be worth it.
This better makes sense. And I came across a I was just like
nerding out on YouTube about like all the different ways that people can like refine silver

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and different the way different cultures do it and stuff like that. And there's one culture.
I think that's actually if anyone's a silversmith and I'm getting this wrong, sorry, but
it's called annealing and it's basically taking scraps over and and putting it under heat so that it

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is moldable so that it can be reused and refined for purpose. And and if you so you start the process
and it like darkens and then and it's hard. And if you if it's not under heat long enough,
then it will just crack right in half and then it has to be like thrown away. But it has to go under

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the heating process to be used at all. And then there's another process that involves heat to make it
shine and to make it beautiful and the more heat that is applied the more it's usable, the more it's
desirable and the more this one gets me the more afterwards gone through all these separate

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heating processes to start to bend to start to shape to start to form into what it's supposed to be
when it is done. The silversmith knows that it has been fully purified when they can look at it
and see their reflection when the creator of this beautiful craft of their creation can see his

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own reflection in it. Wow. The purification process is done. And I'm sure there's lots of other
ways to do it. But I'm like, again, this is not a coincidence of the word of God saying he's going
to refine us as silver in all of these processes in this hefty, weighty, painful heat is not comfy.

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Being put over fire is not comfy. I don't like it. I prefer to not be there. But if I'm going to be
there, use it. And if you're putting me there, God, it's because you trust me to do something with it.
You're molding me into something that is usable that would just break if there wasn't enough heat,

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if there wasn't enough pressure. And we do. We all have our times of refinement and of purification.
And it sucks and it's painful. And every time I'm in it, I'm like, can you just speed this up?
I want to be on the other side now. But that's not where the where the molding happens.
Or I can't happen without the heat, without the fire, without the refinement, without the purification.

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So I think you said that beautifully. I think you walked that beautifully. And I think that
your experience and your voice is going to bless so many people who either haven't walked into that yet
or are going through that right now. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. So how can people find you if they

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want to know about your your processes? You have so much information. Like I'm always like, how does
you know all these words? There's so many words that are very long. And you know all of them and
what they do. So if people want to reach out to you, how do they how do they go about that?
They the best way to find me is on Instagram. So it's cancer.org or your dot Kristen Christ in

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is the spelling. And that's where I am right now. And soon we'll be you know expanding to start a
podcast and community groups and all sorts of other creative ways just to connect with other people
going through their fire process. And it's just really difficult. So yeah. So I'm so I'm so I'm so

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thankful for your obedience. I have no doubt that this is going to bless so many people. People are
going to learn so much. They're going to be connected. They're going to know Jesus even more.
Yeah. The out of gift. That's right. Okay. So cancer.org or dot Kristen. Yes. That Christ in. Yep.
That's amazing. All of her if you're not already. Thanks Audrey. Thank you so much. Being here. Thank you

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for having me. This is really fun. It was fun. Talk about cancer could be fun. Right. Talk about
Jesus is always fun. That's right. So glad y'all were able to join us today. If you are watching
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