Subculture Radio Show Ep #109

David Griffiths, Harley Woods and Kyle McGrath are back with a new episode of Subculture.

This time around they interview Mama No Likey, Don't Wake The Neighbour, My Pet Rhino, Steven West and Nikki Brooke

And they review The Fantastic Four: First Steps, I Know What You Did Last Summer, The Materialists, 2025 Cat Video Fest and The Beetlejuice Musical.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
After almost twelve billion streams on social networks and numerous
number one hits under their belt, five Finger Death Punchers
celebrating their twentieth anniversary with the release of a brand
new album called Best Of Volume One, a collection of
re recorded versions of the band's most iconic chart topping hits,

(00:21):
available everywhere right now. The move to re record these
tracks came in response to the recent sale of the
band's original master recordings by their former label, an action
made without their knowledge or the opportunity to reclaim their work.
Not to be defeated, the band decided that they were
going to re record their most iconic tracks and give

(00:41):
it to you the public with their Best Of Volume One.
It'll be available right across all the streaming platforms and
will also be released worldwide in physic with physical CDs
and vinyl formats. There are also a whole bunch of
merch copies as well going out there, so make sure
you check Five Finger Death Punch's website for more information

(01:02):
on how to grab a copy of Best Of Volume One.
Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Subculture Meets
the Popcorn Conspiracy. I'm Dave g and joining me right
now is Halle Welcome mate.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Hello, and welcome everyone to the show. Glad you're here
listening to us, because you know, that's why we're here
to feed you with lots of media, entertainment and pop
culture goodness. Speaking of which, what's on today. It's a
nice eclectic mix, isn't it, Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, We've got a really good mix today. So we're
going to tell listen to some new music and also
chat to some new artists as well. We're going to
chat to Mama Noliki, a half Ossy half us band
who are doing really really well at the moment. We're
also going to chat to a UK collective of musicians
called Don't Wake the Neighbors and we're going to play

(02:04):
their brand new single as well. We're also going to
chat to another Ossie artist called My Pet Rhino, who's
got a brilliant EP out at the moment. We're also
going to chat to Stephen Wilson known maybe some people
out there may have heard of Steven. He's a very
very interesting prog rock guy who used to be the

(02:26):
frontman of a band called Porky Pine Tree who were
around for a great many years and now he's out
on his own and he's got a brand new show
that's coming to Australia which mixes music, space, science and visuals,
so he's going to be along in a little bit
to chat about that. We're also going to take a

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look at Beetlejuice the musical, which has just arrived in
Melbourne at the moment, and we're going to turn our
attention as well to cinema. We're going to take a
look at The Fantastic Four, the big action blockbuster that
is in cinemas right now. We're also going to take
a look at I Know What You Did last summer.
We're gonna look at The Materialists, which also stars Pedro Pascal,

(03:11):
so he's in twice this time around. And we're also
going to take a look at the Cat Video Fest
which is on right across Australia and New Zealand this weekend.
And we're also going to chat to Australian novelist Nicky
Brook about her brand new sci fi novel that she's
got out as well. So it's a pretty big show, hally.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
It is a huge show. We've got like so much
going on here. It's going to be another one of
those episodes where it was just like chock for this stuff.
So I think there's something for everyone.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I like it definitely. And to kick off the show today,
we're actually going to take a listen to Ed Shearan,
who this week announced an Australian tour. And I know
the tickets are going to sell very very quickly, so
if you're an Ed Shuran fan, you might want to
jump on those tickets. To kick off today's shirt, he
has Castle on the Hill by Ed Sharon.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
When I was six years old, I broke my leg.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
I was running from my brother and his friends and
tasty the sweet perfume other mountain grassouro down. I was younger, then.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
Take me back to and I.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Found my heart, broke it, he made friends and.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
Lost to it.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
And I've not seen the boaring Fields and so long.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
I know I've come.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
I can't play to go hold on my leg, nineteen
a lot come.

Speaker 8 (05:03):
Until time did seven night fifty man me feel and
twel we may washed the side saver the car.

Speaker 9 (05:19):
So longly, fifteen years old, smoking and wrote cigarettes, running
from law to the backfields and getting drunk with my friends.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
My first kiss on Friday ain't night. I don't recognize
I did it right, but I was younger. Then take
me back to and we found we can jokes when
we got ad buy.

Speaker 10 (05:57):
Cheap spirits and drink them straight, me and my friends and.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
Not town up and so long, how we've grown.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
A conway to go home.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
On my way driving nineteen out country.

Speaker 8 (06:21):
S T ten seud mit me feel it shill. We
watched the sign say all over the car, soon.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Over the car, solon, all over the car salon.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
One friend left to sew clothes, One.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
Walks down by the coast, one.

Speaker 10 (07:08):
Or two kits but lives alone.

Speaker 9 (07:12):
One's brother overdose, one's already on the second wife, one's
just barely getting by.

Speaker 11 (07:21):
But these people raised me and I.

Speaker 12 (07:26):
Kindly to go home and know.

Speaker 9 (07:32):
I still rember these old country lanes.

Speaker 13 (07:38):
When we did not know the answers, I left.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
Make me fa and frim was the side sat about
the cops.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Long well, listeners, We've got something very special for you
on the show right now. There is a band that
we want you to know all about. They are called

(08:18):
Mama Noliki, and they've got two singles out so far
this year. So we thought today we would actually get
to know the band a little bit more and of
course play you the singles as well. So, without any
other further ado, let's welcome Will and Troy to the show.
Welcome to the program, guys, Thank you, appreciate it, Thank
you awesome. So, guys, tell us a little bit about

(08:40):
the band. We've been talking a little bit off air,
and Will you're telling me that you guys have been
working together now for about three years. But of course
Troy's from Australia, Will, you're from America. How did this
band come together in the first place.

Speaker 14 (08:57):
It wasn't a kind of an accident.

Speaker 15 (08:59):
Actually we uh there's a woman at a rehearsal studio
that was that introduced us, and it just was funny
to me.

Speaker 14 (09:06):
I showed up and I kept asking Troy and like
doing what kind of misses do like?

Speaker 16 (09:09):
Man?

Speaker 14 (09:10):
Like what kind of covers do you like?

Speaker 17 (09:11):
Man?

Speaker 15 (09:12):
Because we have the studio for two hours, we need
to play something. And I never heard back from him,
you know, I was like, where are we going to
play for two hours?

Speaker 18 (09:18):
Man?

Speaker 14 (09:18):
And He's like, well, I like Ellison Chains, how about
you know this is played like you know? So I
was like, all right, all right, you know we play
the rooster.

Speaker 15 (09:25):
So we show up and we jammed the rooster and
then I was like, what else do you like do
He's like, actually, other than that, I don't do any covers.

Speaker 14 (09:33):
And I was like, oh, man, like what are we
going to play? Dude? And You're like, well, do you
got any song ideas? And I was just like, actually,
I do have an idea for a song. And then
we just went from there.

Speaker 15 (09:43):
Man, we probably did design and developed like thirty different
songs at this stage.

Speaker 14 (09:47):
It's you know, it's just fun. It's something that we
just both enjoy doing and it just keeps us going.

Speaker 19 (09:52):
Actually, try for you.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Tell us a little bit about your journey. How did
you go from being an Australian musician to being in
America and then what was your first thoughts when you
met Will?

Speaker 20 (10:06):
Yeah, yeah, it's been quite a journey. I actually I
started out. I was really just playing the acoustic guitar
on my couch at home for many years and I
really you know, I jammed out with a few people
at different times, nothing too serious, no heavy band stuff.
And yeah, it was actually during COVID I started going
down to the studio and I was playing with different

(10:26):
people and as Will mentioned, the girl that works at
the studio, Maggie. She introduced us, and yeah, once I
got together with Will, just as he had said, I
really wasn't playing many songs. I didn't know many covers
at all, or barely any, and so yeah, it was

(10:46):
kind of a shot in the dark, and I think
he was a little confused by me at the beginnings,
but we ended up. Yeah, everything from there just kind
of flowed and we kind of found a sort of
a creative niche between the two of us, and we've
just been running with it ever since. So it's Yeah,
it was kind of funny the way it came together,
but we're you know, we're pretty grateful at this point.

Speaker 15 (11:07):
At that stage in my musical career, I had never
met anybody that just did originals. I literally I never
had met anybody that refused to play covers, didn't really care,
didn't know any like nope, I don't barely even know
the Rooster. Although I love that song, I barely even
know it, you know, I couldn't believe it. I was like, dude,
I should know what other you know the songs you
want to play?

Speaker 21 (11:27):
Man?

Speaker 15 (11:27):
Anyways, but it was good though, because it pushed us
it pushed me hard into doing Originals.

Speaker 14 (11:32):
Which I love, you know, like I love the Originals. Now, yeah,
will it? Will it spend?

Speaker 19 (11:40):
I'm sorry, Go.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Ahead, David, No, that's right, go aheads right.

Speaker 19 (11:44):
I was just gonna say we Will.

Speaker 20 (11:46):
Will have spent a lot of time down in Venice Beach,
near where he lives, hanging out at the beach there,
and I think the first song idea that kind of
got us going was he had an idea for a
song called Venice High, and as soon as I heard it,
that kind of called my attention and we ran with it.
And that was actually our first song we wrote together,
which we still think is a great song. I don't

(12:07):
think we've recorded it or anything yet, but that was
kind of what started.

Speaker 14 (12:11):
Us out there.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Will. You were telling me off air as well that
Troy is the kind of guy that you there was
a chemistry there as artists straight away, but you also
said that Troy is the kind of guy that can
take a bad idea and turn it into a good idea.
I was wondering if you could tell us a little
bit about that and what those first songwriting sessions were
like between the two of you.

Speaker 14 (12:34):
Well, I mean I think it's a herd of everything
that we do.

Speaker 15 (12:37):
But honestly, is Troy's openness to ideas and it's I
just think, you know, from my experience now.

Speaker 14 (12:43):
I mean we've been at it for three years and
we've played.

Speaker 15 (12:46):
With a ton of musicians that we've had people in,
We've had all kinds of different.

Speaker 14 (12:49):
Musicians join us, you know, in designing songs, playing with.

Speaker 15 (12:53):
Ideas, and I just what I'm always going away by
is Troy's openness without any judgment.

Speaker 14 (12:59):
So he creates this special, very creative atmosphere.

Speaker 15 (13:03):
And I've learned that, you know, I've learned from him
that you just there's no judging, there's no judging, there's
no bad idea. It's just whoever has an idea, you
just everybody like piggybacks on the idea. It's a brainstorm
and a very positive, uplifting, you know, kind of energy
that is all about trying to just go down this
rabbit hole of awesomeness. And it's it's amazing though, that

(13:26):
kind of what that atmosphere, that energy does, because these
ideas just blossom.

Speaker 14 (13:31):
I mean, that's been my experience.

Speaker 15 (13:32):
I Mean, you can take kind of a mediocre even
a bad idea and actually make something kind of cool
out of it. Everybody's just very open and very honest,
and very supportive and very you know, and this positive energy.

Speaker 14 (13:43):
And that's Troy Man. He's always been that way, and
I think it's special.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Troy. What is the last three years? Troy? What is
the last three years looked like for the band? You've
been doing a lot of songwriting. Have you also been
going out and doing shows and things like that? Tell
us a little bit about what it's been like being
part of the band for the last three years.

Speaker 19 (14:07):
Yeah, that's a good question. You know, we really wasted
no time.

Speaker 20 (14:11):
And one of the things that was really got me
out of my comfort zone when I met Will was,
you know, within no time at all. He was kind of,
you know, pushing us to get a singer and get
out there as quick as we could. I was kind
of expecting we'd get out on stage after twelve months
or something like that of kind of figuring things out
and finding the right people. But I think he had
us out there within about four months, which was pretty

(14:34):
pretty efficient.

Speaker 19 (14:35):
And yeah, there was a lot of trial and error.

Speaker 20 (14:38):
We've met, like Will said, a ton of different people,
different musicians that we've played with. We've just every every
week the last three years. We've just loaded as much
in as we can to it different musicians, different venues,
different promoters, and so yeah, it's been a wild ride.
That's actually been it's been pretty hard to keep up with.

(14:58):
We're moving pretty quick, but it's also very exciting and
we're I think we can both agree, we're just we're
absolutely loving it at this point, especially with where things
are at right now.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
So will I have to watch where did the name
of the band come from? And tell us a little
bit about your singer as well?

Speaker 15 (15:17):
Yeah, we have to bring on Handa and Nally is
our singer and we INTERWGT.

Speaker 14 (15:20):
We met her a little over a year ago, and we.

Speaker 15 (15:22):
Were super excited when we met her because the very
first session, it's funny how she said, okay, you guys,
sit down, let's get chairs, let's sit.

Speaker 14 (15:30):
Down in the studio.

Speaker 15 (15:31):
After we were just kind of jamming and kind of
just kind of getting to know each other, she's like,
so where are we going here?

Speaker 14 (15:35):
What what do you guys up to? What are you
all about?

Speaker 15 (15:37):
And we're like, well, you know what singer does that?
But it was great it was very very mature, very honest,
very open perspective and conversation, which was fantastic, and it
was it was very humble, but fun too. And then
it was funny.

Speaker 14 (15:52):
One session with Troy and I were jamming doing our
in normal thing, come.

Speaker 15 (15:56):
Up with ideas and playing with different ideas and just jamming,
and she and Hannah ride like fifteen minutes late, and
she walked in.

Speaker 14 (16:02):
And she was like, wow, you guys sound great. You
guys sounded exactly like the kind of music my mother
didn't want me listening to when you know, when I
was a kid. And so then we were that was later.
Then we paused, took a break, and I was like
telling Trum, like, man, we.

Speaker 15 (16:14):
Need to come up with a kname like with that,
with that in mind, that that idea in mind, and
this is Troy Gale's genius. Then we started playing and
playing other songs and messing around and he was then
one song at the end of it, we got done
and Troy say, yeah, Mama doesn't like it. So then
we were like all like hey. Then I was like, Troy,

(16:37):
great idea, how about Mama? No, lakey, I heard the
perfect and.

Speaker 14 (16:41):
That that was it. It was. It was a great
It was amazing because that's I love how Troy can
just boil something.

Speaker 15 (16:47):
Down to his essence in a really fun, creative, simplistic
way that people will just did emotionally and it's perfect.

Speaker 14 (16:54):
It's so hard to do that, and he's really good
at it.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
That would have been a perfect name for my first
band as well, because as my parents went from having
me classically trained to suddenly finding me in a grunge band,
which they didn't like too much either, So it would
have been the perfect name there as well. Troy, Yeah, Tray,
You've had two singles come out this year so far.
Tell us a little bit about those singles and what

(17:19):
and the inspiration behind those tracks.

Speaker 22 (17:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 20 (17:24):
You know, as a matter of fact, both of the
songs Missus Davison fired me up. They both originated early
on when we had Hannah into the band and we
had we were kind of crossing songs over.

Speaker 14 (17:37):
Me and Will had some songs.

Speaker 20 (17:38):
Hannah had some songs of her own, and we were
kind of like working on them, you know, trying to
figure out which ones to use, and we sort of
got to the point where we said, look like we've
been together.

Speaker 19 (17:49):
For a little bit of time now, I think it
had been maybe.

Speaker 20 (17:51):
A few months at that point, and we said, well,
we should probably try to write some stuff together that's
just our own music, or three of us, you know,
from the root. And so we spoke about it a
little bit, and we kind of had a little bit
of a vibe going just, you know, just from conversation
and off and I went to a wedding over on

(18:11):
the East Coast, and usually, you know, when I'm away
from work and different things like that, I'm able to,
you know, kind of focus on just playing the guitar
and get a little bit lost in it. And you know,
at this point, you know, i'd sort of known the
kinds of rifts and things. They got real excited. So
I was kind of there, and Hannah, I was still
figuring out that. I came up with the both of

(18:32):
those rifts on the same trip while I was staying
over in Jersey at my in law's place, and I
came back with those as well as a couple of others,
and Will and Hatter both kind of jumped onto them
ones and I think we we wrote both of those
songs almost on the spot. Once I played the rift
and the melody for them. They kind of jumped right

(18:53):
into it and it was pretty incredible. They just sprouted
so quickly, and I think we were all kind of
in amazement and they were kind of out that first experience,
all three of us writing together, and it just happened
so naturally that we kind of decided we weren't going
to stop.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
There definitely, So well, what's.

Speaker 15 (19:11):
Just we'll just add one thing on that, because the
fire Me Up song, it was Troy's genius. I mean,
that's his riff and it's funny. He was like, he's like, okay,
you guys, our next show, our next gig. I just
want to open up the show with this riff. I
just want to open it up.

Speaker 14 (19:28):
D you played for us. I was like, dude, that's
a song. We're not going to just open the setup
with that. That's a song, man. That's right that I
Will Will knew it was a whole song.

Speaker 20 (19:40):
I had a limited thinking it was just to open
the show up, and thankfully Will Will knew that there
was more to it than that.

Speaker 14 (19:47):
Thank God that it was so amazing.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Anyway, So well, sorry, that's that's all right. The two
singles are out. Now, what's next for the band. Are
you guys working on an EP, are you working on
an album? You're hoping to get out and do more shows.
What are your plans for the rest of this year?

Speaker 15 (20:05):
I think I mean all of the above. That we
are our third We have a third song coming out,
like within a matter of weeks. We're literally finalizing it now.
We're finishing the mixing on it. It's called Kings and Queens.
We think it could be our best song. Actually, we
just shot the music video for it on Monday in
a green room here in North Hollywood.

Speaker 14 (20:24):
So we're putting all this together for the third song, for.

Speaker 15 (20:26):
Another launch, like another song released, another video launch, and
then we have a fourth one in the mix, and
then we have a fifth one in the mix. So
I think we're going to try to have five songs released,
five singles, and then think about an LP.

Speaker 14 (20:40):
I I mean, we're talking about that right now as
a band with Hannah.

Speaker 15 (20:43):
We're talking about what would that would include, what songs
we're talking about.

Speaker 14 (20:48):
We're playing around with a whole bunch of new ideas.

Speaker 15 (20:51):
While we're doing everything else while we're building the airplane
as we fly it, including music promotion, gigging.

Speaker 14 (20:57):
We just had a really great gig.

Speaker 15 (20:59):
Glass Thursday that still kind of on cloud nine about
we had three guitars on stage, which was pretty cool.

Speaker 14 (21:06):
So we're kind of doing a little bit of everything
at the stage quite honestly.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
And Troy, I've got to ask, when are you going
to bring Mama Noiki over to Australia for a couple
of shows.

Speaker 20 (21:19):
Yeah, that's that's a really good question. I'm not sure
Australia is ready for it or not. I guess we'll
We'll have to see, but I would nothing would make
me more happy than to have the home country hear
a bit of the music, especially since I get the
feeling that in Australia they're still pretty into rock and roll,
which is which excites me.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh look, we're all on cloud nine at the moment
because in November this year we have a c DC,
Oasis and Metallica all playing in Melbourne in the one week,
so it's like, wow, yeah, absolutely eppy. But guys, we
are going to play the singles on our show right now,

(22:02):
So I guess to finish off, what would you like
to say to people out there who are about to
listen to these tracks? For the first time.

Speaker 16 (22:12):
Where you want to go first?

Speaker 14 (22:13):
As you start, Man, you're from the Central Coast.

Speaker 19 (22:15):
Huh yeah, I you know.

Speaker 20 (22:19):
We we we we put a lot of energy into
these songs. We we love, we love ron, we love
the freedom that it gives and the inspiration. And if
anyone is feeling down and gets a little bit of
a kick out of this, then that would make us
the happiest people in the world. So please please enjoy

(22:40):
and hopefully you get a little little boost up from
some of this stuff.

Speaker 14 (22:44):
Exactly.

Speaker 15 (22:45):
I think if you're speaking of Ac and Easy there
we talk about that band a lot as an inspiration
of justice, you know, trying to make music that's fun,
that's accessible, that's entertaining. So if these songs just give
you a little respite from everything, all the complexity, all
the toughness going on in the world and in your life,
and you just get a little break, a little break

(23:08):
by just being entertained and just being in the sound
and just to get a little respite, that would be
amazing for us. That that's all we're trying to achieve.

Speaker 23 (23:16):
Actually, in time, I'm thinking, shoot and because sing but

(24:12):
I can't help myself, so am I miss being.

Speaker 8 (24:20):
Yet keep scoding by.

Speaker 24 (24:48):
Speaking dream, I don't have to say. So save me
something here, Selenio, give me the glass animatic so many

(25:08):
day a fan in the flames in the bird.

Speaker 25 (25:14):
It's so bright that they can be contained.

Speaker 26 (25:19):
Fin because that's.

Speaker 12 (25:26):
The word.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Should die.

Speaker 26 (25:34):
So s so he st five one Fami.

Speaker 24 (25:44):
Fare by give me something, fam me be you fami.

Speaker 26 (25:55):
Family to think.

Speaker 12 (25:58):
So fine.

Speaker 26 (26:20):
Down desire.

Speaker 8 (26:25):
I'm saying, please go, please God some sad net jase

(26:50):
go you please go and fine.

Speaker 16 (26:57):
Here comes the hust.

Speaker 27 (27:01):
She's wearing that.

Speaker 19 (27:04):
King so.

Speaker 27 (27:06):
Where would you look?

Speaker 28 (27:11):
He must make good.

Speaker 26 (27:15):
Back.

Speaker 25 (27:15):
Missus dat listen to label. She's mad, can did the dirt.

Speaker 29 (27:23):
She's my jacker, faulty roy.

Speaker 25 (27:28):
She's day leave out.

Speaker 17 (27:32):
She was.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
When she was your.

Speaker 29 (27:41):
She's dowd fronted.

Speaker 25 (27:43):
Hers cold after tails. She still baby down.

Speaker 16 (27:51):
She's a lot when.

Speaker 26 (27:54):
Her eyes as elean.

Speaker 29 (27:57):
He's jooling.

Speaker 30 (27:57):
She's she's.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
That.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
She thinks.

Speaker 31 (28:09):
So you said me can follow you do what she
got the babies They've always gonna.

Speaker 25 (28:17):
Go for you if you'll pay, give you good things.

Speaker 32 (28:22):
While the stone under estimate the bellows.

Speaker 8 (28:36):
She's off for spa and says she's nay.

Speaker 32 (28:40):
She's made friends with some mean she's a master socialite,
color of favors friends for bechsper So this is Davie
Fakes sing a jack.

Speaker 12 (28:59):
True.

Speaker 25 (29:05):
They call you do what got? The babies always gonna
go for you. You gain your things while.

Speaker 29 (29:17):
The stock under estimate the glover is.

Speaker 12 (30:16):
Beat you too.

Speaker 26 (30:41):
I'm still padle Vere House Swiss.

Speaker 33 (30:51):
Well listeners.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
As you know, we love playing brand new music on
this show, and we've got a brand new single for
you in just a moment that we're going to play.
This is the new single from a band called Don't
Wake the Neighbors. The song is called I'd Rather Get Stone,
and we thought today to find out a little bit
more about this amazing new track, we would actually get
Jenny from the band on the phone to chat about it.

(31:12):
So welcome to the program. Jenny, Bye.

Speaker 27 (31:16):
How's it going.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
It's going really really well now, Jenny, we are about
to play this track on our show for the first time.
So I was wondering if you could start off by
telling us a little bit about this brand new track.

Speaker 34 (31:29):
Yeah, so's It's one of the very first songs we
played together as a band about three years ago now,
and it's always been one of our favorites, but it's
just never felt like the right time to release it
until until now. Obviously it's like pop punk rock. It's

(31:50):
a pretty sad song lyrically, but the track itself is
like it gets us hyped up, so we're yeah, it's
just it's great fun and I'm excited for you guys
to hear it.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Yeah, So tell us a little bit about the history
of the band, Jesse. You mentioned there, you've been together
for about three years or a little bit longer. Tell
us a little bit about how you all came together
and how the band has evolved over the years.

Speaker 27 (32:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 34 (32:20):
So back in university covid HIT, I was a music
UNI studying songwriting and then covid HIT and all the
classes got canceled and we were doing trying to do
music online and it was just getting really really hard.
And when that finished and I got to come back

(32:41):
in for my third year of UNI, I just decided,
like I'm tired of like waiting around, and I'm just
going to do it because you never know when something
like this could happen again. And so I've formed like
a ragtag group of people and there's been and we
were like we were fun. It was fun, but that
wasn't like a forever thing, and there's been some chopping

(33:04):
and changing and certain things going the wrong way, certain
thing's going the right way, and we've settled on this
group that we've got now, and this specific group of
people have been together for a year and it's just
been the most wonderful journey from there to now where
things have just been getting better and better and better.

Speaker 27 (33:25):
So we found the right people now and it's brilliant.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
And I have to ask as well, but when you're
studying music at UNI in the UK, you encouraged to
go out and form bands. I only asked that because
I did film school here in Australia and we were
all encouraged to go out and make movies. But I
recently spoke to somebody who went to film school in
the US and they were told to stick to theory
and not go out and make movies. So I was wondering,

(33:51):
with studying music in the UK, are you encouraged to
go out and form bands or are you not encouraged
to do that?

Speaker 14 (33:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 34 (34:00):
We were, We were always told. So I was on
the songwriting course, so I was always told do what
works for you. So some people were just songwriters, they
weren't performers. But I was very clearly a performer from
day one as well. So I was, yeah, they would
like get a band together as soon as you can,

(34:20):
and I took a little bit too long, and then
halfway through my first year COVID hit and then I
was like, ah no, but but yeah, straight away when
I got back, that was the first thing on my list.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
So the people in the band now, are they people
that you knew through UNI or did you go out
and cast the net a little bit wider looking for
these people.

Speaker 27 (34:42):
Uh, definitely cast the net a bit wider.

Speaker 34 (34:45):
Some of them are at UNI or to go through
the same UNI as me, but they're a couple of
years below me. One our drummer, Jordan, who's amazing, didn't
study any music or anything like that. It's just he's
an engineer. But we found him and he came and
played like two songs for us and we were like, yeah,
you're in, mate, you're in.

Speaker 27 (35:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 34 (35:08):
The bassist Joey and one of our backing vocalists, Simone,
I both met are the only ones that I met
through UNI now, so it's a bit of a weird
thing because we used to say, like, oh, we all
formed together because we all study together, and now that's
not quite the case. But it works better actually, because
like different people's lives going on at different times, and

(35:31):
you just get to know each other more and it's
really great.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
There's been a bit of evolution there with the sound,
and even listening to I'd Rather Get Stone, there's like
so many different genres that seemed to shine through. What
was that early discussions like when you first formed the
band of what kind of genre you wanted to do
or was that always something though you wanted to be
really fluid and just change as you felt like it
kind of thing with the sound, I.

Speaker 34 (35:59):
Think, yeah, I think it's always been quite a fluid thing.
I don't think there was ever really discussions. I write
all the music, So I write all the songs and
like the chords and stuff like that, and then I
hand it over to the band and say, this is
what I've got.

Speaker 27 (36:14):
Now.

Speaker 34 (36:15):
You guys are better at your instruments than I am,
so I'm not going to tell you how to play it,
you know, but the music I write tends to sort
of reflect whatever I listened to at the time.

Speaker 27 (36:25):
So in the early days of Don't Like the Neighbors,
I was listening to a lot of like fall Out Boy.

Speaker 34 (36:35):
Things like that, and now, like my favorite band is
The Hives, I listened to a lot of Ghost So
things have got a little bit heavier, maybe a little
bit more punky and then but I'd rather get Stone's
actually a really good example because it's not as like
punky as some of our other stuff that we've released lately.

(36:56):
But it was one of the first songs that we did,
so it was actually a very old song that I
wrote I think in the first year of university, so
two years before the band was even formed, And so
that like that shows how much our music has progressed.
But I think it still fits in really nicely with
what we've got at the moment.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
You mentioned before that it is a pretty sad song.
Can you remember when you wrote it, Like, was it
a song that you wrote that was very very personal
to you?

Speaker 34 (37:25):
Actually, actually no, I don't think it was personal to me,
but I think it was just it was it was
to do with an assignment at university. It was we
were listening to albums each week and they were like
used the inspiration from this album to write a song,
and I just happened to come.

Speaker 27 (37:45):
Up with that that Marilyn, Oh, Marilyn, your head's up
in this guy.

Speaker 34 (37:51):
And I think it was the Velvet Underground and they've
got the Velvet Underground and Nico U and one of
their album covers is like the pop up Banana.

Speaker 27 (38:00):
I think that tweaked something in me. I was like, oh,
like Marilyn Monroe, yeah, popa Andy Warhol.

Speaker 34 (38:05):
And then that that stuck in my brain and that
became the verses and it just progressed from there.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Yeah, you've been a pretty prolific writer. This is, in fact,
a third single that's come out this year. What are
the plans going forward now? Are you working on an EP?
Are you working on an album? What are the plans
now going forward?

Speaker 27 (38:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 34 (38:26):
So we've got one more single coming out next week,
which is called My Place in the Sun, and then
we've just finished, literally last Sunday, we just finished recording
our last few harmonies because we've just finished a twelve
track album.

Speaker 27 (38:45):
Which will be our debut album.

Speaker 34 (38:47):
We've released two EPs before, but this is this is
the first album and which beyond excite about it. It's
so cool we're really really happy with it. We're waiting
on some of the mix is to come back, but
it's just going to be for us at least. It's
going to be absolutely incredible and hopefully everyone else will
like it too. That's yeah, that will be coming out

(39:10):
eighth of August. It's called Welcome to the Neighborhood and yeah,
we're we're so so proud of it.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Already awesome. So with the album coming out, what are
the plans after that? Are you hoping to get out
and do some shows? I mean, it's it's summertime there
because it's freezing cold here, so it's going to be
summer in the UK. Are you hoping to get out
and do some shows over summer? Are you hoping to
travel around other countries in Europe? What are the plans
after the album comes out?

Speaker 34 (39:39):
So the plan is, yeah, just as many shows as
we can. We've sort of been taking it relatively chill
while we've been recording the album. We've still been doing shows,
but just not quite as many as usual. I think
we're going to stay relatively local. I think ideally we'd
love to go on into Europe.

Speaker 19 (40:00):
Next year.

Speaker 34 (40:02):
And play some shows, but it takes a lot of
planning when we've got seven people in our band and
everyone's got jobs and university and things like that, so
takes a lot of time to plan those sort of things.
But that would be ideal if we could where we've
got our album release gig the day before the album
comes out, so all our focus currently is going on

(40:23):
that and then gigging around the UK.

Speaker 27 (40:27):
As the year goes on.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, so I'd rather get started. Is that a good
example of what we can hear on the album or
does is the album very varied with its genres as well?

Speaker 27 (40:42):
I think the album's a really.

Speaker 34 (40:43):
Good reflection of like they don't make the names music
that's already out, because like you said earlier, it's it's
it's quite eclectic, like there's a lot of styles going
on as some that's more like gentle, some that's more like.

Speaker 27 (40:58):
Much heavier and Yeah, so I'd rather get done.

Speaker 34 (41:03):
Is on the album there's another song that's like kind
of in that same like pop punk vein there's some
that are like really like punk, as one that's like
really slow and calm, because it's it's a sort of
mixture of all the songs that I'd written from the
start of the band to now that we didn't like

(41:25):
we didn't think were right to be singles, not necessarily
that they weren't good enough, but just that we had
maybe a better song at the time, which then gives
us time to sort of take that track and develop
it and make it into what it's become on the album,
which is I think a better version.

Speaker 27 (41:44):
Of the song if we were to have chosen to
release it earlier.

Speaker 34 (41:48):
And then there's some new, brand new songs as well
that no one's heard, which is super exciting that I love.

Speaker 14 (41:54):
Doing that sort of thing.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
It's great, awesome. Well, we are going to play the
new single right now on the show, but what would
you like to say say to people before they also
sit down and listen to the album on August eighth?
Do you have a special message for our listeners.

Speaker 34 (42:09):
I just want to say thank you for thank you
for giving us your time, and I hope you enjoy it.
We put a lot of work into it and we're
really really proud of it, and hopefully hopefully you'll like
it too, and hopefully we'll be able to come down
to Australia sometime and play.

Speaker 27 (42:23):
It for your life.

Speaker 35 (42:28):
Maverlin, Oh, Maverlyn, your heads up in the sky, Mamlin, Oh, Maverlne.
There's something in your eyes, Maverlyin. Oh, Marilyn, I see
throughal disguise. There's something in your eyes, something I recognize.

Speaker 11 (42:45):
A see cons e you feel is numbess.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
I you know it is for you?

Speaker 11 (42:56):
In school, she's so good and all you get our
loves hiding under coverin playing games with the Also.

Speaker 36 (43:14):
She says, no, Marilyn, Oh, marily your head is spinning round, Marilyn, Oh, Marilyn.

Speaker 17 (43:22):
Your feet onto the ground, Carolyn, Oh, Marilyn, let's see.

Speaker 28 (43:26):
What puts you down?

Speaker 11 (43:27):
Your feet onto the ground, and you're paying.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
With the cloud.

Speaker 25 (43:32):
Ah, you see our Carlins are you feel?

Speaker 12 (43:37):
Is not.

Speaker 6 (43:39):
All you?

Speaker 28 (43:40):
Though?

Speaker 26 (43:40):
He's watch in gool love.

Speaker 37 (43:43):
She's a girl and alive gets I love it hiding
at covers, playing it's the ASO. But she says, no,
I'm running a ound and play in America, way in America.

Speaker 25 (44:07):
I'm running its gold in.

Speaker 11 (44:08):
A high class home.

Speaker 26 (44:10):
High class.

Speaker 37 (44:14):
I'm say all this exotica, erotica, Insanity's a baby.

Speaker 25 (44:21):
I rather get started, Marolyn.

Speaker 11 (44:26):
Oh, Marilyn, your hair is turning gray.

Speaker 35 (44:29):
Marilyn Oh, Marilyn, The sky is not far away, Marilyn Oh, Marilyn.

Speaker 17 (44:34):
The time has got to say, the sky's not far away.
But you've never seen that face. Oh, you see our colors.
All you feel is numbing.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
All you know is shoot in school.

Speaker 25 (44:52):
She's so cold.

Speaker 11 (44:54):
All you get out of this hiding anta.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
As. There seems to be a misconception that there were
no good Marvel movies before the arrival of the Iron
Man films, which of course started the entire Avengers franchise.
But that certainly isn't the case, because there were some
decent Spider Man movies starring Toby maguire, and there were
two Fantastic Four films starring Jessica Alba and Chris Evans

(45:32):
that seemed to be forgotten by by the average cinema goer. Now,
these films were so loved by comic book fans that
in twenty fifteen, Marvel tried to reboot the franchise with
a film starring Miles Teller, Kate Mara, and Michael B. Jordan.
Now that film was better than many would care to admit,
but some savage reviews were enough to end the existence

(45:55):
of any future Fantastic Four films at the time. In
twenty twenty five, Marvel Cinematic Universe boss Kevin Feige seems
hell bent on bringing back both Fantastic Four and the
Ex Men into the mix and the excuse the pun.
First step for that to happen is to bring the

(46:15):
Fantastic Four back to the screen with the Fantastic Four
First Steps. Set in nineteen sixty four on Earth eight
to eight, the film sees New York in awe of
the Fantastic Four. The group is made up of a
brilliant scientist named Reed Richards played by Pedro Pascal, his
wife and diplomat Sue Storm played by Vanessa Kirby, and

(46:38):
his best friend Ben Grimm played by Ebon mass Bacracht,
and his brother in law Johnny Storm played by Joseph Quinn. Now,
since an accident in space years earlier which saw them
develop superhuman abilities after being exposed to cosmic rays, the
four have worked at helping and protecting humanity. In return,

(47:00):
they're universally loved, so there is no surprise that there
is much celebration when Sue announces that she is pregnant
with her first child. However, not long after the news
is announced, a mysterious stranger named Charla Balaka the Silver
Surfer played by Julia Garana appears in the skies over

(47:20):
Manhattan with an ominous warning. Earth is the next intended
victim of Galactus played by Ralph Ineson. Now, the Four
spring into action and heading to space to confront Galactus,
only to find out that what he wants is more
sinister and more of a test to the Four than
they could ever imagine. Now, it feels strange describing a

(47:41):
comic book movie in this way, but what director Matt
Shachman and his team of screenwriters have created here is
something beautiful. They have managed to create a unique universe,
different to anything else that we have seen in the
Marvel universe, while creating characters that not only capture the
characterization of what we all grew up with reading in

(48:02):
the comics, but also makes them very relatable to a
modern day cinematic audience. In a lot of ways, Reid
Richards is like Tony Stark, but here Richards is portrayed
as a character who is often unsure of himself. He
wants to help humanity and is now terrified for the
safety of his wife and their child during her pregnancy.

(48:23):
It's a character that many of us watching the film
can easily relate to. Likewise, Sue Storm is depicted as
a woman who wants to keep working during her pregnancy
and embraces the fact that together with Reed, Ben and Johnny,
they have a very strong family connection that should never
be broken. It also feels that the team here, that

(48:46):
of filmmakers behind this film, including the director, have learnt
from the mistakes of previous Marvel villains. I often say
that DC create memorable villains like the Joker or Catwoman,
while Marvel villains are often forgotten by the time the
credits roll, but that certainly isn't the case here. While
Galactus might just be another big, dumb villain, Silver Surfer

(49:09):
is something completely different. She is made memorable by the
fact that at the time, despite being a villain, she
seems to connect with the four, especially Johnny, and seems
to have a touch of compassion about her as well.
She has developed in such a way that you can
only hope that we see her return in the future,
either as a villain or a hero, as it's been

(49:29):
set up in that way that she could actually return
as either and I guess the surprising thing about this
that director Match Shackman has done such a great job
is that for most of his career he's worked in television.
The fact that he's worked on a big blockbuster film
like this and pulled it off so well, actually it

(49:49):
is a credit to him. Credit must also be paid
to the set designers here, because they have helped create
a universe that captures the nineteen sixties so well. The decor,
the architecture, the costumes, vehicles that have all come together
in such a way to not only give this film
its own identity but also able to become etched into

(50:12):
the minds of the audience. Then there are the performances.

Speaker 22 (50:15):
Here.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Each cast member seems to bring something different to the
film that makes them a standout. Pedro Pascal captures the
unique nature of Red, Vanessa Kirby is brilliant as the
intelligent and fierce Sue, while Joseph Quinn puts his own
spin on the much Love Johnny. Then there is Julia Garner,
who excels as the Silver Surfer, and once again we
are reminded why she is one of the best actresses

(50:38):
in Hollywood at the moment. The Fantastic Four First Steps
is a true comic book film with heart. Characterization is
an important part of the movie is an important part
of why the movie works so well as well. The
action sequences do work, but seem to capture the old
style animations like Defenders of the Earth, rather than going
over the top like the visual marvel Stone that we've

(51:00):
come to see in recent years. This is a film
that I feel you could enjoy over and over again,
and I plan on doing that. It's such a special movie.
I'm actually going to give this one three and a
half out of five stars. I can't wait to go
back and see it again. And it is showing in
most cinemas, So go along and check out The Fantastic

(51:21):
Four First Steps. I'm giving it three and a half
out of five.

Speaker 22 (52:29):
Click the tap.

Speaker 38 (52:44):
The potlick.

Speaker 12 (53:21):
Contact.

Speaker 6 (54:31):
I am so.

Speaker 7 (54:32):
I couldn't hear him. I'm so I couldn't hear him.

Speaker 11 (54:49):
Hell no, hella, do.

Speaker 28 (54:57):
They see that?

Speaker 7 (54:59):
I hear the save us.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
I'm not gonna stand here.

Speaker 8 (55:07):
A long two Louis goes watch us the alay.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
So so me love one al savers? But how can
that be? Lookwood love ever walk full of chilling.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
In bloo spelling that one never.

Speaker 8 (55:43):
Jag and they see that a hero the same us.
I'm not gonna stand here a long two ways. Watch
she use me all live away.

Speaker 39 (56:24):
That word isn't in.

Speaker 40 (56:27):
It's love that I'm sending.

Speaker 14 (56:29):
It to.

Speaker 39 (56:33):
Listen.

Speaker 41 (56:34):
The love hero and that's why I bear won. And
they see that a hero save us. I'm not gonna stay.

Speaker 8 (56:48):
Here away, hold on to the ways goes wat. She's
the all live away. Now watch.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Well, listeners, if you've been listening to our show over
the last couple of weeks, you may have heard us
play a brand new track called take Me Away by
a band called My Pet Rhino. Well, My Pet Rhino
also have an album out at the moment as well,
called Arrows, and we thought today to find out a
little bit more more about the album and of course
the brand new single as well. We would actually get
John from the band on the phone to chat all

(58:06):
about it. So welcome to the program, John, How are you.
I'm really well John. I've got to say congratulations on
arrow This is Arrows. This is such an amazing album,
and of course this brand new single really showcases the
kind of music that you can hear on the album.
Tell us a little bit about my pet Rhino. How
did you guys all get together and tell us a

(58:28):
little bit about the history of the band.

Speaker 30 (58:31):
That's a little interesting one because it's basically my little
pet project.

Speaker 19 (58:35):
I guess.

Speaker 30 (58:37):
It's basically decided to start recording a bunch of songs
that I had sort of build up for the last
fifteen twenty years or so, and basically decided I'll just
do it myself.

Speaker 19 (58:49):
So I hired a couple of.

Speaker 30 (58:52):
Session musicians to do the drumming and vocals, and then
everything else was basically me just in the recording studio,
pluging you on, filling in all the parts.

Speaker 19 (59:01):
So at the moment, it's really his me and that's
about it.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
So you mentioned that that some of these tracks you've
had sitting around for a long time and you and
you decided that you wanted to do something with them.
What sparked that decision? Was there something in your life
that changed or did it just feel like the time
was right?

Speaker 30 (59:20):
Probably a bit of both, And so I sort of
got involved in a little recording project. It's another band
called Twinkling Stars sort of a couple of years ago,
and that was my first time in a studio and
I sort of realized I can actually do this. You know,
it's not as hard as I thought it might be.
So I decided to sort of do a little bit
of a stock take of all the songs i'd had,

(59:41):
and I thought, there's thirteen pretty good ones. We'd be
a bit of a shame if I didn't sort of
finish them.

Speaker 19 (59:47):
Off at some point, And.

Speaker 30 (59:50):
Now saying, no time like the present, right, so may
as well get stuck in and get moving.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
So tell us a little bit about that journey of
finding musicians to work with. You said you used some
session musicians. Was it kind of did you go out
and audition people for different roles or how did you
know who was perfect for each track and things like that?
Tell us a little bit about that.

Speaker 30 (01:00:13):
Yeah, So for the drums, I sort of did a
little bit of research online and sort of found some
local drums that I might not sort of be suitable
for role, and ended up settling on Marxtieri, who just
was locally in Sydney, and he did a fantasty id
end up doing all thirteen twelve tracks one acoustic track,

(01:00:35):
So I did all twelve tracks and then just smashed
him out over course of a couple of days, which
is awesome. But then for the singing, I probably it
took me about one and a half two years of
sort of auditioning people locally to realize that maybe not
quite finding the sound I was looking for. So I
took that sort of process online again and expanded it

(01:00:59):
to more of an internet national search and end up
Fanny Lelu who's based overseas, she's based in Barcelona, to
do the vocals for me remotely, which was in her
voice just seemed to fit perfectly for somebody's I planned,
and it all seemed like it was going to work
out okay, So I thought, why not?

Speaker 16 (01:01:19):
Why not do it that way?

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
That's such a great thing that's changed, I guess with
the music industry over the years thanks to technology. I
spoke to a heavy metal supergroup the other night and
talked about their brand new album, and the members have
actually never ever been in the room together. They've recorded
two albums now, and they're every time it's been okay,
this person will do guitar, and they're all in different

(01:01:43):
countries as well. For you, how did technology help that
with you? Like to be able to get a singer
from Barcelona that fitted exactly what you were looking for
for the album. Tell us about that, like, what was
that like? Did you send her music and she sent
you lyrics and vocals back? How did that all work?

Speaker 19 (01:02:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:02:04):
So basically all the songs were pre written well before
I'd found a singer, so I so if he sent
her some demos which she kind of listened to and
agreed that she would be pretty suitable for and worked
out our fees and whatnot, all the boring bits, and
then from there I.

Speaker 19 (01:02:24):
Got to the studio.

Speaker 30 (01:02:25):
I recorded a backing track which is what ended up
being on the album, but the full backing track, and
recorded in scratch vocals of just me singing over the
top of poorly but giving her a bit of a
guide of where where all the words were meant to
go and the melodies were meant to be like, and
then send both to her and then from there she

(01:02:47):
took it to her own studio and sung down, put
down her parts and sent them back as raw vocal
folds for us to input back in Sydney, which was
pretty cool.

Speaker 19 (01:02:57):
Worked out really really efficiently.

Speaker 30 (01:03:01):
Maybe a couple of tracks that we had a couple
of amendments on but most most of them just seemed
to slot right in.

Speaker 18 (01:03:06):
And that was it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
So lyrically, what kind of things inspired you to write? Like,
were they personal things that you sat down and wrote
for your lyrics? And if so, what was that like
then trying to talk to a singer about the emotion
that comes with that track as well.

Speaker 30 (01:03:28):
So probably be fifty sixty percent of the songs, but
we do have a little bit of a personal tinge
to them. All the other ones are sort of fictional
stories I guess that I've just sort of made up
along the way. But in terms of conveying that to
a singer, was basically cs for a little write up

(01:03:48):
of a rough idea of what the lyrics were about,
what the song was meant to be about, what sort
of feelings were meant to be conveyed. And so I
put together a couple of paragraphs for each song and
send that through to her and she sort of went
from there and sort of made their own from that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Well, was that a difficult process? Like for like, I
don't know how to put this, like it's there's such
personal tracks for you? Was that difficult then to sit
down and talk to somebody else about where this was
written from because of course it's not like a bandmate
like I'm thinking of somebody like say Nirvana, where Kurt
would put down vocals and lyrics and the other guys

(01:04:29):
knew him really well so they could talk about things
that were going on in his life. But you were
really talking to a stranger in a sense of someone
that you've never met. Did that make it difficult?

Speaker 30 (01:04:41):
Yes, in a way, as soon as I started putting
down those stories of like, well, how do I actually
want to phrase this to make sure it actually conveys
what I'm thinking, which is quite tricky.

Speaker 19 (01:04:53):
But then in terms of.

Speaker 30 (01:04:56):
Being a stranger or whatever, it's almost made it a
bit easier because there's no fear of being charged on
your stories or.

Speaker 27 (01:05:03):
Anything like that.

Speaker 30 (01:05:04):
It's not someone you've ever met. That sort of barrier
of the Internet sort of makes it a little bit.
Made it a little bit easier for me anyway, just
to put it down and send it and then just
be accept that it's going to be sort of assessed
by it for what it is. It's not going to
be all that guy's a bit bit strange for thinking
that in his song or whatever. Let's say, hey, this

(01:05:25):
is what the song is about, let's just sing it.
So I thought that was a sort of a benefit
of not ever having met personally, rather than the hindrance.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
So where to now for my pet Rohino, Like, are
you still writing music and if so, would you bring
in other musicians underneath my pet Rohino umbrella or what
are the plans they're going forward?

Speaker 19 (01:05:49):
Bit of both.

Speaker 30 (01:05:50):
So I've still got some songs that i'd love to
record a sort of a second album and a bit
of a follow up.

Speaker 19 (01:05:58):
Still doing a bit more writing as well to try
and feel that album about.

Speaker 30 (01:06:02):
Who knows when that will be finished, but it is
in the works, and in terms of finding more musicians
to work with, i'd love to do that. I'd love
to start playing some low shows at some point in
the future. I think it's really important to try and get.

Speaker 19 (01:06:19):
Out there and play live.

Speaker 30 (01:06:20):
I'd be thinking it'd be a bit of a shame
if I never played some of these songs live that
there's some songs on the album that have a real
good crowd chance and feel like that would have a really.

Speaker 19 (01:06:29):
Good live energy.

Speaker 30 (01:06:30):
So I'd love to do that at some point, So
hopefully in the next year or two, I can start
sitting down and trying to find some local musicians help
me play it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
I was going to ask that actually about playing live,
would you bring Leelo here or would you go over
to Barcelona and play shows there? What kind of things
would you think about doing for live shows to get
over that kind of distance problem?

Speaker 14 (01:06:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 30 (01:06:55):
Almost, I feel like I would have to find a
singer who can do something similar locally would probably be
the best option. I think cost and travel and all
that might be a little bit prohibitive to sort of
bring her here or me going there all the time
to play live. You know, I'd love to eventually meet

(01:07:18):
and maybe play a show or two together at some point,
but I think maybe looking for a local musician who
can sort of fit the bill pretty well it is
probably the best bet. Maybe not be on hundred percent
exactly how it sounds on the album, but if they
can bring the same sort of energy and have the
same sort of vocal capacity in vocal gymnastics that she brings,

(01:07:39):
then I think that would be a pretty good deal.

Speaker 14 (01:07:41):
Centaition.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Awesome, Well, we're going to play take Me Away again
on our show right now, but what would you like
to say to people out there who have already fallen
in love with your music on our show and want
to go out now and explore the album. What would
you say to them before they listened to the album?

Speaker 30 (01:07:58):
Go ahead, you know, if you've if you've fallen in
love with one particular song, that's great. Just brace yourself
for the rest of the songs, because none of them
really sound the same. So there's a there's sort of
some common themes in terms of how music has been
played or you know, Brittain in sort of some ways,

(01:08:19):
but a lot of the songs are sort of vastly
different to like say, you won't get bored listening from
one track to the next. There's there's quite a bit
of diversity on there, and I hope you enjoy all
of them.

Speaker 25 (01:08:45):
Take me to another world were because of.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
Fall a world.

Speaker 25 (01:08:54):
And the traffic aways. Take me to another life with.

Speaker 31 (01:09:05):
Grasses screed and wholes are high, and you are by
my side.

Speaker 29 (01:09:18):
Tap me away from the least space to.

Speaker 25 (01:09:22):
An unknown world out space. Take me away from the
least place.

Speaker 29 (01:09:30):
To ann world out space. Take you away from this
place to.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
The world outer space.

Speaker 31 (01:09:43):
Tap me away from this space to an unknown world.

Speaker 25 (01:10:08):
Take me to another world with all the beer, an
endless why and a place to call mine. Save me
to the after where I sees what was fine and

(01:10:34):
what I laughed behind.

Speaker 42 (01:10:41):
Take me away from liness place to an unknow house space.

Speaker 29 (01:10:50):
Take me away from less space.

Speaker 25 (01:10:54):
To an unknow hours snace. Take me away from this
place an unknown out of space.

Speaker 31 (01:11:06):
To take me away from this place to an unknown world.

Speaker 26 (01:11:14):
Now, oh.

Speaker 25 (01:11:30):
Say no, we brought the sign ourselves.

Speaker 26 (01:11:38):
Sap no.

Speaker 6 (01:11:43):
Hen wake me up when we're home.

Speaker 42 (01:11:51):
Save me doay from this place to an unknown world
out of space. Take me away from this space to
not no word out of space.

Speaker 25 (01:12:08):
Tape me away wrong these space so I'm know.

Speaker 6 (01:12:14):
Out of space.

Speaker 29 (01:12:16):
To tape me a ways from this space when.

Speaker 28 (01:12:21):
I'm no more.

Speaker 27 (01:13:15):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Everyone is trying to take a look at one of
the biggest horror films to be released this year. Now.
There was a period in the late nineteen nineties and
early two thousands where teen based horror ruled the box office.
Films like Scream I Know What You Did Last Summer
an urban legend, drew people to cinemas and introduced the
horror genre to a whole uni generation of film fans.

(01:13:37):
Now will scream as a franchise has kept going with
a number of substandard films over recent years. I Know
What You Did Last Summer was followed up with one
brilliant sequel and then a third film so bad that
not only did it go straight to DVD, but fans
of the franchise like to pretend it doesn't even exist. Now,
director Jennifer Katon Robinson attempts to revive the franchise with

(01:14:04):
a brand new I Know What You Did Last Summer
film set in modern times. So to set the scene
once again, we're in Southport. The film begins with college
student Ava Brooks played by Chase Sue Wonders, returning to
town for the engagement of Danica Richards played by Madeline
Klein and Teddy Spencer played by Tyreek Withers. After after

(01:14:28):
the engagement, Danika, Ava, Teddy, her ex boyfriend Milo played
by Jonah hay King, and her old friend Stevie played
by Sarah Pigon go for a drive to watch the
Fourth of July fireworks from a coastal road. The teens
mucking around, though, causes a car to drive off the road,
killing the driver as it does. After a quick discussion,

(01:14:50):
the teens decide to return to town and not say
anything to anyone. Twelve months later, Ava returns to town
as Danika celebrates her new engagement to Wyatt played by
Joshua orpen And as they gather. As the group gathers,
they begin to receive the familiar I Know what you
did last summer letters. As Avia starts to realize that

(01:15:12):
this is eerily the same as as town's nineteen ninety
seven massacre, she realizes that most records of it have
been raised as the town officials try to sell the
town to the upper class. Determined to find answers, she
ends up hunting down the massacres two survivors, Julie James
played by Jennifer love Hewitt and Ray Bronson played by
Freddie Prince Jr. In order to find the answers.

Speaker 14 (01:15:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Early on, the audience will realize that, like so many
horror movies that are made these days, the big issue
here is that the main characters are not easy to
care about. They are the kinds of people that you
try to avoid at parties, and that is an issue
when you're supposed to care whether they live or die.
As the film goes on, what saves the film, though,

(01:15:57):
is a well thought out plot from the film's team
of Ride and the way that the returning characters are used.
Often when film franchises try to mix a modern day
story with a piece of nostalgia, they fall miserably, but
here the characters of Ray and Julie are brought back
in believable ways that actually enhance the story. Likewise, the
filmmakers also surprise the audience with a couple of other

(01:16:19):
returning characters that are brought back in brilliant and creative ways.
Also impressive is the fact, though, that Jennifer Love Hewitt
and Freddie Prince Jr. Don't just use this film as
a quick payday. You can see their passion and the
love that they have for the franchise in their performances,
and at times it feels like they almost carry this film,
something that is obvious when you watch the film with

(01:16:40):
fans of the franchise who oo and r whenever the
characters reveal another secret. While the interest in the new
characters does wane at times, the plot that they find
themselves in certainly does not. There are twists and turns
throughout the film that feels like it was written by
a team who wanted to make a slick thriller rather
than just your runner the mill slasher film. And while

(01:17:01):
it does work in delivering a film that keeps you guessing,
you get the feeling that the audience would have been
happy with just an average slice and dice thriller slasher. Well,
I Know what You Did last Summer may not be
the best of the horrors of this year, it does
more than enough to fulfill the excitement of fans of
the past, while also impressing the new generation fans as well.

(01:17:23):
This proves that there is still life in these loved characters,
and hopefully we see the next installment in the franchise
in cinemas very soon. I'm giving this one three out
of five, and it's in most good cinemas right now.

Speaker 43 (01:17:50):
He knows dirty secrets.

Speaker 25 (01:17:53):
That does he know what's killing me?

Speaker 11 (01:17:57):
He knows, he knows.

Speaker 25 (01:18:01):
The hands of touch my skin. I won't tell them
where I've been.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
He knows, he knows.

Speaker 11 (01:18:07):
He stand me.

Speaker 13 (01:18:09):
Aupard, She's the peanut pet my just hang in arts
of the word, she used to say, the pictures on
her phone.

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
She's not coming.

Speaker 29 (01:18:20):
Home, coming home woman.

Speaker 13 (01:18:25):
I know what you did let Summer just talk to me.
There's no I know what you did. Let Summer tell
me where you've been.

Speaker 7 (01:18:33):
I know what you did.

Speaker 13 (01:18:34):
Let summer you're mean as my lord, I know what
you did.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
Let Summer tell me where you've been.

Speaker 25 (01:18:42):
Oh no, no, no no no no no no no.

Speaker 17 (01:18:46):
No no no no no no.

Speaker 25 (01:18:50):
I didn't mean no, I don't mean I mean no.

Speaker 13 (01:18:54):
She seemed to let you go. Kids in the hold cars.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
No, when she looks me in the eyes, they don't
see him is bright.

Speaker 6 (01:19:04):
No more, no more.

Speaker 17 (01:19:08):
She loved me.

Speaker 11 (01:19:09):
At what time?

Speaker 13 (01:19:10):
But I promise you that night because my heart not
to die.

Speaker 44 (01:19:16):
Stave me byy me. She don mother is saying in
arts of the words she used to say, the pictures
on the car. She's not coming call come.

Speaker 13 (01:19:30):
Oh no, no, no, I know what you did. Let
summer back to me. There's no know what you did.

Speaker 16 (01:19:37):
Let's summer tell me.

Speaker 28 (01:19:39):
Where you're way.

Speaker 13 (01:19:41):
I know what you de Lets serve know what you did.

Speaker 25 (01:19:46):
Let summer show me where you say.

Speaker 11 (01:19:50):
No no no no no no no.

Speaker 25 (01:19:54):
No no no no no no no no no.

Speaker 44 (01:19:58):
Kiss you let it go, kiss you to keep Oh
my god, I kissing to let you go, kissing the
keep me.

Speaker 13 (01:20:08):
Way, bil lady, tell me when you.

Speaker 44 (01:20:11):
Building the way a building you no no lenys you
keep curse kids even let you go.

Speaker 25 (01:20:19):
I know you didn't meet it, though I know you
did A mean it though.

Speaker 13 (01:20:23):
To me you didn't mean it dot to me you
didn't meet it though I know you did a minute ago.
I want to know you need it though I know
you didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
Mean it all know you did, I mean it all
kissing the legal kiss ignology words.

Speaker 43 (01:20:40):
I know what you did in summer just a to
me this is no don't know what you deal that summer?
To tell me where you know what total summer not
me in the al I know what you did that summer.

Speaker 13 (01:20:54):
Tell me where you and no one no one, no
one no no.

Speaker 28 (01:21:01):
I know I no no no no no, I know
with no no no no and no.

Speaker 23 (01:21:09):
No no no no no no no.

Speaker 27 (01:21:44):
No no.

Speaker 12 (01:21:51):
No no no. Well it didn't comes it on in
my mind.

Speaker 6 (01:22:01):
Look out about you look so fine.

Speaker 13 (01:22:03):
See the best still than I ever have. It's about
to coming in my mule.

Speaker 8 (01:22:07):
No sound now now now now.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
You know hush hush God, I heard you calling my name.

Speaker 39 (01:22:28):
Now, hush hush tomorrow I'm not.

Speaker 31 (01:22:31):
Remember now the husban hush, I'm fine you calling me
you hush hush.

Speaker 25 (01:22:38):
To go my hour, not not the email down in
the morning, you don't leave in the evening.

Speaker 8 (01:22:45):
Well, you're gonna leave.

Speaker 39 (01:22:48):
Last hush hush upon he's calling my name. The hush

(01:23:10):
hush go my, but not nice?

Speaker 8 (01:23:12):
Are now hus house back?

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
But you call my name now house hush go my?

Speaker 7 (01:23:20):
But now why the thing now in.

Speaker 28 (01:23:23):
The morning you need me min.

Speaker 12 (01:23:47):
No down, no, no, no no.

Speaker 10 (01:24:40):
I'm tired of weakness, tired of my feet of clay.
I'm tired of days to come. I'm tired of yesterday
m hm, trahing out things that I ever said.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
Now it's much too lay. Let's stay in my head.

Speaker 29 (01:25:13):
So the day will begin again.

Speaker 25 (01:25:18):
Take comfort from me.

Speaker 6 (01:25:21):
It's up to.

Speaker 29 (01:25:27):
You're still here and you'll begin again.

Speaker 25 (01:25:32):
Let's comfort to you. It's up to sober over you'll
begin again. Take comfort for me. And now it's a

(01:25:52):
comfort from you.

Speaker 10 (01:26:12):
I'm tired of Facebode'm tired of my fully hell, I'm
tired of everyone.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Let includes myself.

Speaker 26 (01:26:26):
Be lone.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
Now it doesn't matter me.

Speaker 26 (01:26:31):
Not knowing any w.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Let's be the hell you see.

Speaker 29 (01:26:44):
So well again again, take comfort from me. It's up to.

Speaker 45 (01:26:58):
You'll see and you're digging again. Let's com for taking
it's something U sober, you'll begging again. Take comfort, believe.

Speaker 12 (01:27:22):
And take exact.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Don't you worry? Do worry about the same, nothing really day, nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Really Well, Listeners, there is a tour coming up that
we know that so many of you are very very
excited about. Stephen Wilson is bringing his Overview to Australia,
and we thought we would find out a little bit
more about it tonight by actually getting Stephen on the
phone to chat about this absolutely amazing tour that we're
all looking forward to. So welcome to the program, Stephen.

Speaker 14 (01:29:00):
Thank you, Thank you for having me now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Steve, and I know I've been interviewing you now, I
think for over twenty five years, and every time we
have you on the show, it's always a fascinating chat
to be able to speak to you. So I've got
to start off by saying thank you so much for
coming on the show once again, and I have to
ask how excited are you about this tour.

Speaker 18 (01:29:21):
I'm very excited. I mean you would expect me to
say that anyway, wouldn't you. But you know it's my
first solo tour since the pandemic, and that's a big
thing for me because it's seven or eight years since
I was able to tour with my solo band. So
I you know, a lot of the kind of momentum
I felt was building up was lost, and so it was,

(01:29:43):
you know, it was difficult to get back on the
horse and bring everything back up to speed. But having
done so, I feel like this is the best thing
I've ever done. Now I'm not just saying that because
it sounds like I'm you know, hyperbole, but it really
really feels like this show is the most special thing
I've ever been involved in. And I can kind of

(01:30:04):
say that because the bits that are the most amazing
about it are the bits I had nothing to do with,
you know. So the visuals here are incredible, and the
new band I have is the best band I've ever had,
and it's just it's such an experience, and I think
people are almost overwhelmed by how kind of immersive and

(01:30:25):
journey like this this show is. And that's something you know,
I couldn't have planned it any better, let's just say that.
So the answer your question very exciting, very excited to
bring it to Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
Of course, as you said, this is an absolutely amazing
and stunning show. Can you tell us a little bit
about where the idea first came from for you to
do this? Of course we've all heard the music now,
but of course there's visuals and there's a lot going
on with this show. When did the idea for the
overview first start for you?

Speaker 18 (01:30:58):
So after my last album, I made my last album,
the Harmony Codex, I wasn't really sure what I was
going to do next, and thought I thought at one
point maybe the next thing I did would be some
kind of collaboration with you know, maybe making the music
for a TV show or a film or or some
kind of installation or something. And I had a few meetings,

(01:31:20):
and one of the meetings I had was with a
very good friend of mine, Alex Mielas, who used to
be the editor of Metal Hammer, and these days he
runs an organization called Space Rocks, which, as the name
would suggest, is an organization that's kind of dedicated to
bringing together the world of astronomy and music, which seems
like a fairly strange, you know, pairing, but actually I

(01:31:42):
think there's a lot of commonality between the two worlds.
I think, you know, people that look out into the stars,
the dreamers, that they're interested in what's beyond our earth.
And I think creative people, similarly, you know, are interested
in things that are not necessarily of this earth. So
I sat down, I had a good meet with him,
and we thought maybe we would do something together. And

(01:32:04):
he at one point in the conversation he said to me,
have you heard of the overview effect? And I hadn't,
and he went on to explain it to me. And
as he was explaining to me, literally this explosion went
off in my head. I'm like, wow, this is my
next album. And I literally went back and sketched out
these two very long pieces which the album comprises, based

(01:32:26):
on that conversation. So it was one of those rare
times in my life, and I wish it happened more often,
where a whole album and a whole concept, and a
whole kind of idea for a tour and a show
kind of all fell in my lap and presented themselves
to me by virtue of that conversation. So it's just
it's just something that doesn't happen very often. But in

(01:32:48):
this case, I was very privileged to have this whole
thing present itself to me somewhere from the cosmos.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
It just came down to me now, and I understand.
The overview effect is the effect of the astronauts have
when they view Earth from space. So tell us a
little bit more about that. When you went away from
that discussion, what kind of things were you starting to
think about. Were you thinking about what it would be
like being an astronaut with that view? Did you go

(01:33:17):
and look for things that have been written by astronauts?
What was that next step for you?

Speaker 14 (01:33:22):
Then?

Speaker 19 (01:33:24):
Yeah, so that's the next thing.

Speaker 18 (01:33:25):
I should explain exactly what that conversation with Alex about
the overview was here. So he went on to explain
to me pretty much as you've said here. The overview
effect is a recognized phenomenon that's experienced by astronauts. The
first time they go into space and they look back
at the Earth from space, they have a kind of

(01:33:45):
an epiphanal moment where they have this kind of shift
in their shift in their understanding of Earth's place in
the universe, and more significantly, they're or the you know,
the the insignificance of humanity really in the universe, and

(01:34:07):
that supposedly means that people start to.

Speaker 19 (01:34:13):
Look at life in a very different way.

Speaker 18 (01:34:16):
Now this is all obviously, this is all I'm going
on what people have said that have actually experienced this.
Haven't experienced it myself, but I think I can. I
think I can understand a little bit because we all
have those moments, don't we, where something happens in our
life which gives us a different perspective. And that for
me was the key, that word perspective. So to me,

(01:34:39):
it wasn't really about space. I mean, obviously the album
is about space, and there is a lot of a
lot of that in the record, but fundamentally, for me,
it's about this idea of getting a perspective on life.
And in some ways it can be a negative thing
to acknowledge yourself just how insignificant we really are, and

(01:35:02):
we are unbelievably insignificant. When you start going into the
numbers of you know, just the sheer magnitude and size
of the universe. We are incredibly insignificant and our lives
really are irrelevant to the universe. And you think, well,
that's a negative thing, But to me it's a positive
thing because it says to me, enjoy the ride.

Speaker 19 (01:35:22):
Enjoy the ride.

Speaker 18 (01:35:23):
Your life in the scheme of things is irrelevant, so
you might as well enjoy it. And I think that's
an important lesson for me. That was ultimately that was
what the overview was about. It was gaining a perspective
on your own.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
Life, definitely. And it's funny that you talk about that
because last night I actually went to the premiere of
the new Fantastic Four film and there's a great, big
space like God in the film, and he keeps on
referring to humans as aunts and insects. And afterwards, I
sat down and I was thinking about that, and I thought,
that's exactly what we are in this universe. We like

(01:36:00):
to think that we're the Alphas and the boss of
the universe, but really we're not. Was that something that
really sunk in for you as well when you were
working on this that, like you said, we are insignificant.
How did you find exploring that theme?

Speaker 18 (01:36:19):
You know what it's I mean, I did go into
it a lot, and I read a lot of you know, statistics.
The funny thing is, it's almost impossible for our brains
to conceive of the size of the universe. It's one
of those things where the numbers are so ridiculous that
your brain almost can't kind of hold the idea, you know,

(01:36:43):
I mean even in terms of the amount of time
human beings have been on the Earth. I mean, the
Earth has been here for four billion years. Human beings
have been on it for three hundred thousand years, which
relatively speaking, means we've been here for about the last
two minutes. And when you start, when you start looking
at things like that, and you're absolutely right, we kind
of think of ourselves somehow as the curators of our planet,

(01:37:06):
the protectors and curators of our planet. And of course
nothing could be further from the truth. I mean you
were talking about a movie then. I'm always reminded of
that amazing line in The Matrix where Agent Smith is
talking about human beings as kind of analogous with how.

Speaker 19 (01:37:22):
A virus works.

Speaker 18 (01:37:23):
And unfortunately ugly though that metaphor may be, it's probably
closer to the truth. We're more like a virus on
this planet. And this whole thing about us only having
been here for the last few moments, relatively speaking, and
we will die out and the Earth will go on
perfectly healthily without us. In fact, probably will thrive once
human beings leave it, so it's you know, it's one

(01:37:46):
of those things where the numbers are so ridiculous it's
almost impossible to conceive in a way.

Speaker 19 (01:37:52):
So I guess I was trying to grapple with a
lot of that. Really, it's an amazing thing.

Speaker 18 (01:37:58):
And I think the other thing for me was just
to try and remind people to look up, Yeah, to
stop looking down the whole stop looking down the whole
time into their digital devices and actually just look up
at the sky because I used to do that when
I was a kid. I remember going out and just
looking up into the stars. And how many kids do
that now? How many kids look up above their heads?

Speaker 14 (01:38:18):
Now? Very few?

Speaker 18 (01:38:20):
They're so busy. Not I don't mean to sort of
pick on kids, because adults are just as bad. We
spend so much of our existence now looking down into
digital devices and we've forgotten to look up and acknowledge
and just incredible cosmos.

Speaker 1 (01:38:36):
And I think a lot of city kids suffer from
that as well. I grew up in a country town,
so there was very very little light pollution around it all,
so when you looked up into the night sky, you
could you could make out planets. You could see right
right out into what we used to port the Milky Way.
It probably wasn't, but with city kids like I live
in the city now and you look up and I'm

(01:38:57):
looking up out of my window now and I can't
see as because there's so much light pollution.

Speaker 46 (01:39:02):
So it is.

Speaker 1 (01:39:03):
It's a weird phenomenon, yes.

Speaker 18 (01:39:07):
And so I think to me, that was all kind
of flying around my head when I was making this record.
It's like, I'm going to remind people, you know, I'm
going to remind people that we are, you know, just
one little lonely planet amongst billions and billions and billions
and trillions and trillions and trillions, and so yeah, to
try and bring people down to earth, excuse the pun.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
So Steven, tell us a little bit about the visuals
for this show. How did that come together? After You've
done the music and now bringing it to the stage,
How did the visuals all come together?

Speaker 18 (01:39:40):
So, you know, there was a few things going on,
one of which was, of course, that I was making
a record that just had two twenty minute long tracks.
So first of all, there's not clearly there's not going
to be any singles. So normally I would commission videos
for two or three songs to be the singles, to
be the videos that would get released on YouTube social
media to promote the record. So straight away the conversation

(01:40:03):
was like, well, how are we going to you know,
what are we going to do for this? Because there's
not going to be any singles from the record. So
I thought to myself, why don't I take the money
I would normally have spent commissioning two or three song
videos and just give it to a single filmmaker and
say make a movie to the album, and that's kind
of what I did. But there was another pragmatic reason
for this, which is that I knew that I was

(01:40:24):
going to go out and play the album from beginning
to end as part of the tour part of the show,
and I wanted a strong visual component for that. So
when you come to the show, the first half of
the show is essentially a performance of the overview from
beginning to end, And when you come to see that
half of the show, it's essentially like a band performing

(01:40:47):
with a film. It's very different. It's a very different experiences.
I want to use that word immersive again. It's a
very immersive journey it's not like a traditional rock and
roll show, and people that have come along and seen
the show say that they've never seen anything quite like it.
So the visuals, the surround sound, so I also have

(01:41:09):
a surround sound system. I have speakers behind the audience
as well as in front of the audience. It's a
really well that word again, it's a really immersive experience.
You're kind of entering a different universe, and the film
and the visuals are a big part of that to
try and to really try and make people feel this
cosmic vertigo of being lost in space, floating in space,

(01:41:33):
of traveling from the Earth literally to the other end
of the cosmos.

Speaker 1 (01:41:37):
Definitely. And I don't know if you know much about
the theater that you're playing in Melbourne, but the Forum
Theater actually has what they call a starred roof all
the time when they built that. It's a Gothic style
theater that's over one hundred years old. Yeah, if you
have a look online, it's got a lot of it's
inspired by Greek architecture with life. It's on the roof

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that automatically look like stars when you're in there, So
I think that'll add to it as well.

Speaker 14 (01:42:05):
Oh that amazing. Yeah. Yeah, well, well I think I
made use of that. Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
Yeah, Steven, I know we are running out of time
very quickly, but I had one quick question I wanted
to ask before I went. Your band that you've managed
to put together this time, and it's such a unique
collection of musicians that you've been able to put together,
from rock musicians through the Adam who comes from the
jazz world. Tell us a little bit about putting this
band together and what they'll like to play with.

Speaker 14 (01:42:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:42:35):
So, I mean, I think when you listen to my music,
one thing you kind of come away with, I think
is that there's all these different kind of styles which
are mixed up. So you do have everything from metal
riffs to jazz, to ambient pop, to electronica to you know,
to lots of other things too, And so you're quite

(01:42:57):
right to kind of point out that there's this kind
of similar diversity in the makeup of the band. And
I think that's necessary to be able to play this music.

Speaker 19 (01:43:05):
I need.

Speaker 18 (01:43:06):
I need musicians that are incredibly you know, flexible in
what they can do. And you know, I always have
this simple rule with all my bands, and this is
really pretty much applied through my whole career, which is
to always be the worst musician in my own bands.
And you know, I say that slightly tongue in cheek,
but not entirely because it is true. And Frank Zappa

(01:43:27):
always said something similar about his bands. He said he
always aimed to be the worst musician on stage. So
you're the guy with the ideas. You're the guy with
the ideas, but you have these incredible musicians around you
that are able to realize those ideas and anything you
can throw at them they can cope with it. So
I'm extremely fortunate to be that guy, that guy on

(01:43:47):
stage that that's kind of the worst musician. But I'm
the captain of the ship. I'm having the ideas and
I've just I've found these musicians over the years. I've
collected these people that I feel comfortable. I feel they
understand what I'm trying to achieve, and they can pretty
much play anything. Anything I throw at them, they can
play it. What an amazing situation to be in, right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:10):
Definitely, Well, I can't wait for your Melbourne show. I've
got to say, I'm so excited about being able to
come along. And I guess to finish off. Is there
anything you would like to say to your Aussie fans
out there before they head along to these very special shows.

Speaker 18 (01:44:24):
Well, come with an open mind and prepared to be
prepared to be taking to the other side of the universe.

Speaker 19 (01:44:31):
It's all I'll say. Yeah, it's a very ambitious show.

Speaker 18 (01:44:35):
I think people that have come along and seen in
Europe so they've never seen anything quite like it.

Speaker 14 (01:44:40):
I can't wait.

Speaker 18 (01:44:41):
I can't wait to come back to Australia, one of
my favorite places in the world anyway, so I'm really
looking forward to this.

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Speaker 6 (01:47:44):
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Speaker 33 (01:47:52):
Stripl Well listeners.

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
As you know, we love to delve into the world
of literature on this show, and there was a magnificent
book I remember Harley and I talked about on the
show A couple of years ago called Plague Plagued Lands
by an author called Nicki brook Well. Nicky's got a
brand new book out right now called The Huxian Fox,
and we thought today we would actually get her on
the phone to chat a little bit about this amazing

(01:52:36):
brand new book. So welcome to the program, Niki.

Speaker 16 (01:52:40):
Thanks Dave. That's really nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
No worries now, Nikki, Like we said, you are an
award winning author from your first book. Tell us a
little bit about the brand new book.

Speaker 21 (01:52:51):
Okay, yeah, So The hawks Yan Fox or Huxyan I
don't mind how you say it. It's a sassy, fast
case for fun space opera with a load of adventure
and a sapic subplot. It's about two girls who team
up despite their differences, on an Indiana Jones style treasure

(01:53:12):
hunt across space.

Speaker 16 (01:53:14):
I'll includes left by an ancient race.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Okay, so it's very very different to play Lands. Tell
us a little bit about that journey with the coming
up with the concept of the new book. Was there
was this a book that you've been thinking about for
a long time. What was that journey like?

Speaker 16 (01:53:31):
Yeah, Plage Lands.

Speaker 21 (01:53:33):
Is quite a serious book and it's a dystopian, so
it's a very different vibe, whereas this has, you know,
more of a Firefly or Guardians the Galaxy crossed with
Indiana Jones kind of feel to it. And Yeah, it
had been playing on my mind for a little while,

(01:53:54):
and what I really wanted to do.

Speaker 16 (01:53:56):
I've always loved the.

Speaker 21 (01:53:59):
Solo Princess laya sort of love story in the original
Star Wars, and I was I just thought, well, what
if they were two women and young adults.

Speaker 16 (01:54:11):
As well, because I love writing for young adults and
I wanted to see how that might play out. So
that is how I came up with the idea for
the hotsim Box.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
So the character development there, when you sat down to
first start working on these on these two women, for
these characters, apart from that layer and Hans solo storyline,
what kind of things were you using to bring those
characters to life.

Speaker 16 (01:54:39):
Yeah, great question.

Speaker 21 (01:54:41):
So yeah, most of the characters in the hot Box
I have were developed from Star Wars characters.

Speaker 16 (01:54:50):
So I won't say who's who.

Speaker 21 (01:54:52):
You guys can work it out when you read it,
and that's I think part of the fun of reading it.

Speaker 16 (01:54:58):
I will give you a little hint.

Speaker 21 (01:55:00):
The Droid is not three CPO, but I started with
those characters is a bit of a skeleton, and then
built out the rest of the characters through their experiences
and their background. So the book is told from two
points of view. One is Fan and the other is

(01:55:20):
a Shanya. Now, Fan is Chinese, She's based.

Speaker 16 (01:55:25):
On Han Solo and Indiana Jones because Harrison Ford rules.

Speaker 21 (01:55:32):
But she's Yeah, she's Chinese, she's female, she's bisexual, so
all of those things obviously then make her just.

Speaker 16 (01:55:40):
That little bit different from Han Solo or Indiana Jones.
But she still has that sassiness and.

Speaker 21 (01:55:48):
A little bit of arrogance that those characters have that
I just I'm not sure if you can tell, but
I'm smiling talking about it. And then as Shanya has
her own backstory, that gets revealed, so I won't go
into that too much because it's some of the plot
twister in her backstory. Yeah, started with Princess Leia, but

(01:56:14):
she's definitely evolved into something.

Speaker 16 (01:56:16):
Else because of her story as well.

Speaker 21 (01:56:19):
And then she's attracted to Fan, so there's also different
sence with Prince as Slayer in that sense as well.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
One of the things I loved about played Lands was
even though that it was a post apocalyptic novel, characterization
was still very very strong, and I'm sure that is
the case with the new novel as well. How important
is that to you as a writer to have a
character driven plot rather than say a plot driven plot
or even a galaxy driven plot.

Speaker 21 (01:56:53):
Well, I would say that Box is very plot driven,
but the characters are also extremely strong, so more so
than Plagued Lanes, which is a bit more medium paced.
The whole scene Fox is really super super fast faced
from the first page to the last, but there's still

(01:57:15):
it was really important to me to get the characters right.
And one of the things that.

Speaker 16 (01:57:24):
I was really trying for is the two different points
of view to sound completely different.

Speaker 21 (01:57:29):
So when you're reading from fans point of view, she
sounds different from Ashanya's point of view. Fans sentences are
shorter because she's a little bit more of an impulsive person.

Speaker 16 (01:57:41):
She doesn't think things through is deeply, although really.

Speaker 21 (01:57:45):
You find out she's a quite deep thinker and more
thoughtful than.

Speaker 16 (01:57:50):
What she first appears to be.

Speaker 21 (01:57:53):
And yeah, so her sentence structure is different. Some of
the words she uses is different to Ashanya's. So the
characters are very clear just in like just their language.
That then helps with the plot, I think so, I
should say so with the plot being such a central point,

(01:58:18):
to make sure that the characters still.

Speaker 16 (01:58:19):
Come across, that language was really important to.

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
Get right, definitely. And how did you find that experience
writing from the two different voices. Did you sit down
and write all of the point of view from one
character and then write the other or did you just
literally go swap from one to another constantly while you
were writing.

Speaker 21 (01:58:41):
I did swap from one to the other because one
of those people that tries to write as chronologically as possible,
even though sometimes that's not best practice.

Speaker 16 (01:58:52):
Like sometimes I'll have a scene.

Speaker 21 (01:58:54):
In my head that's like further down the story that
I could write first, but I always like tied to
it chronologically, so I did swat.

Speaker 16 (01:59:03):
But the other reason that that was really cool is
because sometimes you can.

Speaker 21 (01:59:07):
Get too bogged down in one character and you might
find it a little bit born. So then it kept
challenging me from going from one chapter to the other.

Speaker 16 (01:59:19):
That I did still, and through.

Speaker 21 (01:59:22):
One of the edits, I read all the Fans chapters
together and all of the Shunya's chapters together to make
sure that they were consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
And what was that like building their world as well,
because I find as a writer that's quite often the
bit that I enjoy the most is being able to
build that world and to build that law around that
world as well. How did you find that experience, Well.

Speaker 21 (01:59:44):
It's there's a lot of inspiration taken from both Chinese
and Greek mythology that I feel into it.

Speaker 16 (01:59:52):
So that was really fun.

Speaker 21 (01:59:53):
I had to do a huge amount of research, particularly
on the Chinese mythology, because I'd never really read my
much about Chinese mythology before, whereas Greek mythology I learned
back when I was in high school, and that was
more a refresher rather than studying it for the first time,
so some of that comes through I.

Speaker 16 (02:00:13):
Also, I was given this really cool book a few
years years ago that is like a Lonely planet travel
guide at.

Speaker 21 (02:00:23):
All the galaxy for the universe, and it's actually published
by any Planet, and so I picked out up and
started reading about all these different solar systems and planets
and stars, and I chose a few.

Speaker 16 (02:00:40):
Of those to then create the world that the home.

Speaker 21 (02:00:44):
Tame Fox is sat in, and then also still that
inspiration from it shows like Star Wars five Flying.

Speaker 16 (02:00:53):
Guardians of the Galaxy definitely comes through.

Speaker 21 (02:00:56):
So one of the things when you first start reading
it is that it feels a little bit familiar because
of that similarity to those shows.

Speaker 9 (02:01:06):
So there's.

Speaker 16 (02:01:10):
Yeah, you're not like thrown into this completely new world
where you have to get used to it. It's like
you already are slightly familiar with it when you start,
and you just fill.

Speaker 21 (02:01:21):
In the gaps with the information from this particular world
as you keep reading.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Definitely, one of the things we love to ask on
this show is when we start talking about research, whether
it be for screenwriting or novel writing, is what did
you learn when you were looking into Chinese mythology? Was
there something that you weren't that really surprised you or
stood out to you.

Speaker 16 (02:01:45):
Oh, that's an interesting question.

Speaker 21 (02:01:49):
It's just a fascinating culture and fascinating mythology.

Speaker 16 (02:01:54):
There is just so much there that.

Speaker 21 (02:01:59):
And it's been around for so many years that one
story might be written one way, and then you might
read the same story later on with this with similar
deities of gods, and it's a slightly different story, which
is common with a lot of different mythologies as well.

Speaker 16 (02:02:16):
You'll find that in Greek mythology and Egyptian mythology, which.

Speaker 21 (02:02:20):
I've both studied both of them as well. But yeah,
there wasn't one thing that necessarily stood out.

Speaker 16 (02:02:27):
There was just lots of cool things that and why
wouldn't we want to read more about those cool things?

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
Definitely?

Speaker 19 (02:02:34):
Why in my book.

Speaker 1 (02:02:37):
So with the success of Plagued Lands and the awards
that the book picked up and things like that, did
you feel any pressure sitting down to work on this
one at all?

Speaker 14 (02:02:48):
Well?

Speaker 21 (02:02:48):
I found out about most of those awards after I'd
already written Locox and Fox, so I probably would have
felt more.

Speaker 16 (02:02:57):
Pressure, And I guess I am now then I'm writing
the sequels.

Speaker 14 (02:03:01):
To both books.

Speaker 16 (02:03:04):
But yeah, at the time of writing.

Speaker 21 (02:03:06):
The books and plots, I had none of those pressures.
As far as I knew, I was a terrible writer.
But I had this call to Ryan.

Speaker 16 (02:03:12):
I had to get these words out, and.

Speaker 21 (02:03:16):
I absolutely loved the result, and I think a lot
of people will as well.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
So definitely, And we should have probably said at the
start of the interview we have known each other for
years as well, so we kind of know a little
bit about each other's writing and things like that. For
you as a writer, what advice would you give to
young writers out there. I know when we were coming
through as young writers, we had a lot of people
giving us advice, But what kind of advice would you

(02:03:43):
give to young writers out there who have got an
idea and want to get it down on paper.

Speaker 16 (02:03:50):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 21 (02:03:51):
I'm like you actually mention about when we were younger,
because one of the things that I was told when
I was younger really actually hindered me instead of helping me.
And that was people reminding me how hard it is
to be a writer and how often people are not
successful being a writer. And you're probably going to hear

(02:04:11):
that a lot as a young writer even now. But
the truth is, well, the truth is it is hard.
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't do it or you
can't do it.

Speaker 14 (02:04:21):
And so my.

Speaker 21 (02:04:24):
Belief is that the key to writing is to believe
in yourself. So you really need to find ways to
get rid of all those negative voices and those thoughts,
and you know they're still going to pop up again
at some point, but find a way to believe in

(02:04:44):
yourself and and to keep writing.

Speaker 14 (02:04:50):
But also.

Speaker 16 (02:04:52):
Back to the second part of your question about you know,
having an idea and then putting to the paper.

Speaker 21 (02:04:58):
That's really the key to it is to start putting
it on paper, because even if it's bad the first
time you do it, you can always rewrite, but you
can't rewrite a blank page. So the best thing is
to get some of these words onto the page. If
you if you're enjoy what you're writing, keep writing. If
you're not enjoying it, then maybe you have to reassess.

(02:05:20):
But definitely be enjoying it.

Speaker 19 (02:05:23):
Just keep going.

Speaker 16 (02:05:24):
Now, that's whether you know whether it's good or about it.
Just keep going.

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
Yeah, I noticed as well you mentioned before that you're
already working on sequels to both Plaguelands and also Huxey
and Fox. Were they things that you had thought about
from the very start? Like, did you always know that
these were going to be a series and not just
a one off novel?

Speaker 14 (02:05:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (02:05:44):
Yeah, I certainly did so. The pagels, I didn't.

Speaker 21 (02:05:50):
Know from the very beginning exactly how it would pan out,
but I do know all the major plot points.

Speaker 16 (02:05:58):
Now there's a few bits in between that I don't
know that I'll work out while I'm writing it because
that's my style.

Speaker 21 (02:06:07):
I plot major plot points, but then I fill it
in between and might change a few things along the way.

Speaker 16 (02:06:17):
But yeah, I knew that it was going.

Speaker 21 (02:06:18):
To be more than one book. Even when I first
started writing it. I just didn't know exactly how it
would end.

Speaker 16 (02:06:24):
But now I do kind of and the looks in thoughts.

Speaker 21 (02:06:31):
Yes, from the very first word I wrote on the page,
I knew it was going to be a trilogy. And well, surprise,
I've actually already written the second book and it's going
through edits at the moment, so the second book isn't
that far away. So I know exactly what's happening in
the second book because it's already written. And then the

(02:06:52):
third book, again, I know the major plot points and
just have to fill in the gaps.

Speaker 1 (02:06:58):
That's great. So now for the big question, And if
someone wants to go out and buy a copy of
either The Hucks and Fox or play Glands, where can
they go to buy a copy.

Speaker 19 (02:07:07):
Of the book.

Speaker 16 (02:07:09):
Well, of course they're both on Amazon.

Speaker 21 (02:07:11):
But if you're not a fan of shopping on Amazon,
because I know there's lots of people that aren't these days,
there are some other options listed on my website that
will direct you to a few different websites so you can.

Speaker 16 (02:07:26):
Yeah. So my website is Nickybrook dot.

Speaker 21 (02:07:29):
Com, which is NI double kithke dot com now different
options on that.

Speaker 14 (02:07:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
So, if there are any listeners out there who are
going to go out and grab a copy of the
book and sit down and read it over the next
couple of weeks, do you have anything you'd like to
say to them before they read it.

Speaker 21 (02:07:50):
I thought they enjoy it because the looks and box
just brings me so much joy, Like just I loved
writing it, but even after finishing it, I enjoyed reading it.
So I just hope it brings you joy if you
if you do pick it up and read it. And
that's my main wish on the books and box Tapelines

(02:08:13):
is going to break your heart.

Speaker 5 (02:08:14):
So just go in knowing that we can you that
Oh it's the the bank cards and you win Tim
and say.

Speaker 12 (02:08:21):
Guys, and she never told me her name, I still.

Speaker 11 (02:08:25):
Love you, the girl from.

Speaker 3 (02:08:34):
Sitting in there dream these days matter?

Speaker 14 (02:08:36):
What is it?

Speaker 25 (02:08:38):
Because summer night far by s guys.

Speaker 48 (02:08:41):
In the sky, down the bar and right from your cigar,
red reas blowing some the arm pace remind me something now,
So there in mom rees, be in space, so we
are come back.

Speaker 6 (02:09:00):
It's a little to the stars.

Speaker 33 (02:09:01):
I remember the.

Speaker 8 (02:09:02):
Time when you will know Mamas, I don't know you
have always def playing car to me.

Speaker 13 (02:09:09):
W too the same gors she never let told me
I love.

Speaker 39 (02:09:15):
You and the girl baby, so you regress on it.

Speaker 40 (02:09:25):
It's all that the moon, it's around, to the electricity
in the air, just to go that night on the terrace.

Speaker 48 (02:09:33):
Now that summer's here right, No, bet, you are almost lovely.

Speaker 3 (02:09:39):
I can see you in a.

Speaker 6 (02:09:41):
Lot of trains that she will really go to see.

Speaker 28 (02:09:44):
Tonight and almost blow my mind.

Speaker 11 (02:09:49):
And as I got to the stars, i've the time
you were Mamas.

Speaker 16 (02:09:54):
I don't know if you that ol still play call
to me into I could.

Speaker 25 (02:10:00):
Say, God, she never told me.

Speaker 6 (02:10:04):
A Tunamian girl.

Speaker 5 (02:10:38):
To dan asleep in the chair by the wind, it
felt as if you had returned, but that you.

Speaker 3 (02:10:46):
Were standing over me.

Speaker 39 (02:10:48):
When I woke there was no one.

Speaker 10 (02:10:52):
I still love you girl from lass you sad and
you go blast.

Speaker 1 (02:10:59):
I welcome back to the show. Well, I want to
take a look now at a brand new movie that

(02:11:20):
is in cinemas right now, called Materialists. And I got
to say, this is a movie that kind of really
drew me in and also at the same time, I
don't want to say confused, because confused is not the
right word. It drew me in and made me think

(02:11:41):
one thing, but then had me leaving the cinema thinking
something else completely. Now, this is the latest film from
director Celine Song, who of course wrote The Brilliant and
directed the Brilliant Past Lives, which was an absolutely amail
from a couple of years ago. Now with Materialists, it

(02:12:05):
follows Lucy played by Dakota Johnson, and she works for
a company where she is a match maker. And this
is one of the reasons why early on with this film,
I wasn't sure if I was going to like it
or not. But I realized later on that kind of
what happens at the start of this movie is wat

(02:12:26):
Selene's song wants you to think. Early on, you kind
of realize that Lucy's job is not as easy as
it sounds, being a match maker. She seems to have
a lot of women on her books who are looking
for guys who, let's be blunt, are out of their league.

(02:12:49):
There are a lot of women on her books that
are looking for rich men, handsome men of a certain age,
and it doesn't entirely fit with what these guys want.
And I'm not saying that the women are all at
fault here, because some of the men are as well.
In fact, there's one guy that she meets with at
one point who says that the woman that Lucy has

(02:13:14):
set him up on a date with is too old
and that he wants somebody younger. And then when Lucy
calls him out on it about wanting a younger girl
when he is like in his forties himself, he says, oh, no, no, no,
I'm happy with someone who's at least thirty. But then
when she starts to suggest thirty year olds, he starts
wanting twenty four and twenty one year olds again. So

(02:13:37):
it's not I shouldn't say that it's strictly through the
fault of the women that are on Lucy's list, but
you do get to see the current day dating scene
where it feels like everybody wants somebody else who's completely
out of their league now. At the same time, Lucy
has a little bit of a relationship can Nundrum herself

(02:14:01):
while she is at the wedding of one of her
past clients, she meets Harry played by Pedro Pascal, who
is a rich businessman. In fact, he's her what Lucy
and her colleagues call a unicorn. He is the absolutely
perfect client for her to try and match up with
some of the women who are on her books. But

(02:14:24):
the problem there is that Harry only has eyes for Lucy,
so whenever Lucy starts talking to him about becoming a client,
he wants to take her on a date instead. At
the same time, her ex John played by Chris Evans,
who is working as a waiter but wants to be

(02:14:44):
an actor, is in her life as well, and that's
where the conundrum starts. Harry can give Lucy everything she wants,
the nice house, the money to be able to go
to lavish places, whereas with John there seems to be
more chemistry, but he can't offer her much. In fact,

(02:15:06):
he's living in a share household that's a complete mess.
Then Lucy's life is turned upside down when suddenly her
celebrated career is put into question when she sends a
woman on a date with a guy who sexually assaults her,
which causes Lucy's well to come crumbling.

Speaker 19 (02:15:28):
Down.

Speaker 1 (02:15:29):
At the same time, she starts to question her own
relationship with Harry. Now this is where I think this
film is really really interesting, because early on I kind
of found this film in a sense, really repulsive in
the sense that I couldn't find myself liking the characters.

(02:15:52):
I didn't like Lucy because of the way that she
was with her clients. The same time I couldn't like
her clients. It all seems like this was going to
be a movie that's, in a sense, was all about
greed and things like that. When Lucy started the relationship

(02:16:13):
with Harry, she was kind of talking like this was
a business transaction. And that is one of the things
that she says to one of her clients. At one
of the points, her client is thinking about saying no
to the marriage, and Lucy basically comes to her and says, look,
this is a business transaction. Yes, you're giving him yourself,

(02:16:35):
but you're getting this, this, and this in return. And
none of it is talking about love. All of it
is talking about the guy's wealth, what he can give
her financially, the fact that it's going to make her
sister jealous, And you kind of think, like, for me,
someone who's a little bit bohemian when it comes to

(02:16:59):
my view on love or something like that. My view
on love is very much the Mulan Rouge style of
love rather than what is here. And I started to
find Lucy's character really repulsive. And then when she gets
into the relationship with Harry, you realize there's no chemistry there,
but she likes the fact that he's got this penthouse

(02:17:19):
and that he can take her to these amazing restaurants.
And as an audience member, I was disliking Lucy even more.
You meet this character of John, and again, even John's
an interesting character because yeah, there's that chemistry there with Lucy,
but at the same time, you can understand why Lucy

(02:17:40):
doesn't want to date him. He's a little bit of
a man child in the way that he acts. But
for me, as an audience member, I was finding Lucy
such a character that I couldn't relate to and didn't
like that. I was beginning to not like the movie.
But that's when this movie starts to go on this
one wonderful journey and all these things start to happen

(02:18:03):
in Lucy's life and she starts to realize that there's
more to life and love than rich penthouses and lavish restaurants.
And that, to me is the sign that Selene's Song
is a brilliant writer, because she turns me around completely
with this film. This film is kind of incorrectly labeled

(02:18:26):
a romantic comedy. This film is very much a romantic drama. Yes,
there are some funny moments in there, but this is
a real wake up kind of movie for me. This
is a kind of movie that someone will go and watch.
Not me because I'm married, but someone who's single. But
we'll go and watch this movie and go, Wow, maybe

(02:18:48):
I'm looking for the wrong thing and a guy, I'm
looking for the wrong thing in a girl. But the
fact that this movie was able to turn around from
me not liking it because of not liking the main
character to actually really loving the ending of this film,
that to me is a real sign that Selene's Song

(02:19:09):
is a brilliant filmmaker. She's a brilliant screenwriter. She's a
brilliant filmmaker. Because that doesn't happen very often as an
audience member, there's not very often that you find yourself
changing your opinion of a movie as the character grows.
It almost feels like as an audience member, you're growing
and going on this journey with Lucy and as she changes,

(02:19:31):
you begin to like her more that Now I have
to talk about the acting in this as well. Dakota
Johnson is fantastic in this It's funny like we talk
about Selene's song changing everything for the audience, going from
liking Lucy to to not like sorry, not liking Lucy

(02:19:51):
to liking Lucy. But also a lot of that power
comes from Dakota Johnson's performance as well, and she is
absolutely brilliant here. Pedro Pascal does everything that he is
asked of as well. He plays the rich kind of
emotions turned off gentlemen very very well. Chris Evans as

(02:20:14):
well is also fantastic in this film. The fact that
he can go from being the dashing, charming Captain America
to this down and out actor living in a rat
infested apartment and making himself look unattractive is uh is
credit to him, and I guess a lot of us
have forgotten that Chris Evans is a good actor, not

(02:20:36):
that he's not good in the Avengers series, but let's
face it, with a superhero film, you're never going to
get that that that brilliant acting of really being tested
as an actor, whereas he is here already delivers that
in spades. So look, I'm gonna say with material with
material Materialists, you are going to find that you go

(02:20:58):
on a journey with this film. You are to start
off by maybe questioning the morals of the film and
questioning whether or not you like Lucy as a character.
But I can tell you this film will take you
on a journey and your thoughts and opinions will change
as the film goes on. And this is the kind
of film that's going to make you kind of like

(02:21:19):
make some realizations about the modern day dating scene. But
it's also going to generate some discussions later on as
well with your friends as you talk about this film.
But it's beautifully written script that allows the audience to
go on this journey but also changes things for the
audience as well, and just delivers an absolutely perfect script

(02:21:42):
for three actors on the top of their game. With this,
I'm actually going to give Materialists four out of five.
I did really, really like this film, and I think
it's one of those films that's going to have a
lot of people talking after they watch it. So go
and check materialists out in cinemas. I'm giving it four
out of five.

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Cock, I got you my.

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I watch you, sir, yea.

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Cock?

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I dot you.

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Cock, I watch your cock.

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You don't like it when a cat like me don't
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Successful, So they make a big buckets a path through
the sky.

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Hold onto my purp boy, don't you crowd?

Speaker 12 (02:25:15):
You don't like it?

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Now?

Speaker 28 (02:25:16):
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Normal tugging bucket? Where are they now?

Speaker 12 (02:25:20):
Season is hidden.

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When you run the ground. When you're up on the moon,
you don't hear resent, You don't.

Speaker 14 (02:25:30):
Hear you.

Speaker 16 (02:26:21):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:26:21):
Listeners, some of you might be aware that cats have
played a very big part in putting together all of
our productions at Subculture over the years. If you've been
a loyal listener over the years, especially for Subculture after
Dark years ago, you would have known that we used

(02:26:42):
to have a regular special guest that lived with me
that used to appear during interviews, sometimes to Moan aka
Metal Cat. Lots of metal artists used to take joy
in seeing him with their merch and stuff like that.
And over recent years, of course, while we've been on
Central Coast Radio, a few of you may have been

(02:27:04):
aware that I've been house sitting my niece's cats for
two years and they would regularly be sitting next to
my panel or sitting next to my screens while I
was recording shows. And of course, in recent months, the
latest Subculture cat has joined the family in the form

(02:27:26):
of Little Louis, our little ginger kitten, who, if you
follow our socials, will know, gets very heavily involved in
some of the stuff that we've done over the past
few months, especially when we've been sorting out stuff for
Subculture collectibles. He gets involved with the unpacking and stuff

(02:27:47):
like that. So and we know through some of the
people messaging us and letting us know that you guys
love cats too, which is why whenever we put up
a picture of louis he out any pictures with likes
that Kyle Laura have appeared in. So we know you
like cats. So we thought you might like to know

(02:28:08):
a little bit about Cat Video Fest, which is coming
to various Australian cities this weekend. Cat Video Fest is
on from Friday, the first of August through Saturday and
Sunday the second and third of August as well, and basically,

(02:28:35):
Cat Video Fest is a fun little festival that has
a whole bunch of cat videos from all around the world,
put together by director Will Braden. It runs for seventy
four minutes. It's rated G so you can take your
whole family along. And basically what this is is seventy

(02:28:56):
four minutes of cat videos put together funny, which look,
I gotta admit I love watching cat videos and I
recently found out that if you're someone that suffers from
anxiety and you're a cat lover, then watching cat videos
online has actually been scientifically proven to drop your anxiety

(02:29:19):
rate for a great amount. It actually relaxes you being
able to sit down and watch these cat videos. So
for one weekend in Australian cinemas and New Zealand cinemas
every year we have Cat Video Fest this year. As
I said, the film itself has a lot of different

(02:29:42):
stuff in it. If you're thinking that it's just going
to be seventy four minutes of watching cats fall over
or cat's knock things over, that is a large amount
of it. But there's other things in there as well.
There are heartfelt videos such as are malnourished flea disease
that was rescued and brought back to the point where

(02:30:04):
it could go and happily live in a house. So
there's touching stories like that. There's touching stories about a
woman who lives in a monastery and looks after one
hundred and fifty different cats. There's a lot here. There's
animations as well, and some of the animations are extremely hilarious.
I love the one about the cat not wanting to

(02:30:25):
be touched by humans but then loving it when he
is touched by a human. There's also another one about
the cat being angry because its owners come home late.
It's funny Look, if you're in this serious cinema, then
maybe this is not for you. But if you want
to go along and just have a little bit of
a laugh at at cats have some heartwarming moments as well,

(02:30:49):
then this is perfect for you. It's showing a one
hundred and fifty different cinemas around Australia and New Zealand
this weekend, and I'm going to say it's a lot
of fun. I would think the best way to go
and watch this would be to take a whole group
of your friends with you so that you can all
laugh together. I'm pretty sure this is the kind of
movie where everybody's going to be like kind of laughing

(02:31:11):
out loud throughout the whole thing, So it's probably better
if you go along with your friends and just have
a really good laugh at a whole bunch of cat videos.
I'm sure some people will probably dress up as cats
as well, but look, it's a fun night out for
the family. Go along, laugh at some cats have some
heartwarming moments as well. Go out and have dinner, but

(02:31:35):
just learn to laugh at life. There's so many dark
and depressing films coming out the moment. It's actually been
fun for me to sit down and watch this. And
I've got to say, my dog Marvel, her eyes were
completely trained on the television screen today while I was
watching this. She absolutely loved it. And she loves cats.

(02:31:55):
She loves our little Louis as well, so she absolutely
loves cats and she mesmerized by this. So I'm sure
this will be something that can be enjoyed from grandparents, parents, kids, grandkids. Whatever.
You were going to love this if you love cats,
So head along to a cinema this weekend and go
and check out Cat Video Fest. Like I said, it

(02:32:17):
is showing at one hundred and fifty different cinemas and
if you want to find out a little bit more
about where to watch it, go to www dot cat
Videofest dot com. And I will also put a link
underneath where you found this podcast as well, so that

(02:32:37):
you'll know which cinemas to go to to check out
Cat Video Fest twenty and twenty five.

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out on the little bag of bones been out on

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the Kenny Him scratching at the screen door. Kenny Hill
scratching at the screen door.

Speaker 51 (02:33:21):
Bag of bones been out on nine. He needs some
betting that I love it all till he needs some
betting that love it on rain so tigh. He's circling
around my ankle. He's circling around my ankle. He needs

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some betting in love and all hide kiddy, won't you
come inside?

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Can't have a boot at a wall?

Speaker 6 (02:33:49):
Can't he have a bood at a wall? Can't you
have a boot and a wall? I can't have a
boot at a wall.

Speaker 12 (02:33:57):
Can't have a wall?

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My bo and a wo.

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Wound?

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Kitty a wa yomo.

Speaker 52 (02:34:20):
A pussy burn and looking so satisfied. Pussy burn and
looking so sad as fun.

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I'm lost in.

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He's a little yellow round eye lost in.

Speaker 52 (02:34:34):
Here's a little yellow round eye pussy burn and looking
so satisfied.

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Kitty rap and scratched me through my jee, kitty rap
and scratch me through my jee.

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Fuck you, kitty Y're gonna spend the night. Fuck you,
kitty Y're gonna spend the night.

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Fuck you, kitty Y're gonna spend the night outside.

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I can't he have a blood at a wow?

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Okay?

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Dutch.

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get it, get it, get it, get it, get it,
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Speaker 13 (02:35:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:35:52):
When I listeners, I want to talk about a brand
new musical production that that is in Melbourne at the moment.
And I've got to say, I don't think there's been
a production, a music production or a stage production over
the last few years that more people haven't asked me
about than Beetlejuice the musical. A lot of people have
found out that I've been to see it and have
been writing and asking what I thought of it, how

(02:36:14):
did it go? Of course it's based on the beloved movie,
and of course Australia's very own Eddie Perfect became involved
with the Broadway production very very early on. For anyone
that was at oz Comic Corn recently, you would have
heard him talking about the fact that he was in
New York at the time and when Scott Brown and

(02:36:36):
Anthony King were working on putting together a musical and
he asked to be involved, and he was given the
opportunity to be involved. Well, now he gets to come
back to Melbourne and actually work with director Alex Timbers
and play Beetlejuice himself. Now, of course, the story here

(02:36:57):
revolves around a family and a house. That house originally
is occupied by Barbara played by Alice McCann and Adam
played by Rob Johnson. Now Beetlejuice played by Eddie Perfect
is a demon who's in the house and he decides

(02:37:19):
that he kind of wants to to rule this house
a little bit. So through an unfortunate accident, Barbara and
Adam pass away, they meet Beetlejuice and then a family
moves in. That family is made up of daughter Lydia
played by caras Oka, Dahlia played by Aaron Claire, and
Charles played by Tom Wren. Now Lydia is in a

(02:37:43):
depressed state. She can't get over the fact that she's
lost her mum and she can't believe that her father
is moving on with Dahlia. So Lydia can actually see
Adam and Barbara because of how depressed she is, and
soon she's introduced to Beetlejuice, who basically tells her that

(02:38:08):
he can take a stronger form if she's willing to
say his name three times. At first, she realizes that
it's a little bit of a trap and decides not
to do it. But when she realizes that Charles and
Dahlia are getting closer and closer and are planning on
getting married, she decides to throw caution into the wind
and to say Beetlejuice's name three times, which of course

(02:38:30):
then causes absolute chaos. Now, this production is one of
those productions where you basically become part of the production
the moment that you walk through the doors. In fact,
even before you walk through the doors, if anyone has
walked past the theater in Melbourne where it's being held
at the moment, you will see a big sign that

(02:38:51):
says welcome to the Netherland. And as you enter, the
green and purple of Beetlejuice is absolutely everywhere in the theater.
Then as you take your seat again, the entire theater
is covered in green and purple lights with the big
Beetlejuice Beetlejuice logo up on the stage. Now, I've got

(02:39:14):
to warn you this show starts with a thunder clap
and lightning. So if you don't like loud noises and
you don't like flashy lights, this might not be the
production for you. But I've got to say this is
where this gets interesting because I'm not a fan of
the original film. I remember trying to watch it when
I was a kid and I just could not get

(02:39:35):
into it at all. I tried watching it again as
an adult when the Beetlejuice Beetlejuice movie came out, and
again I found I just couldn't get into it. It's
not really my kind of movie. So I'm actually surprised
by how much I loved this production. Now, the reason
I love this production is We'll talk about the cast

(02:39:57):
a little bit later on as well, because of course
that is a big reason why. But what I love
most about this is the way it looks. Scenic designer
David Corns has done an absolutely amazing job bringing the
house from the from the film to light. He also
does an amazing job later on when they have to

(02:40:17):
go into the Netherland as well. There's also some puppetry
in this, put together by Michael Curry again that looks
absolutely amazing. On stage, the little skeletons and later on
the big demon that that eats things absolutely amazing. And
then you've also got illusions from Michael Weaber, who does
an amazing job as well, along with the special effects

(02:40:39):
design Jeremy Chernick. Now, I've seen a lot of productions
over the last few years that have needed design and
special effects on stage. Some haven't worked as well, like
The Woman in Black. I thought that could have done,
could have been enhanced a lot more, But I would

(02:41:00):
put Beetle Juice probably up alongside what we saw with
Harry Potter and The Curse Child. That is how good
the production value of this was. It was just absolutely
amazing with the work that's gone into this and to
bring it. I was sitting next to people who were

(02:41:20):
there for their second time and the man had said
to me beforehand, these special effects are going to blow
you away, and I was kind of like, yeah, really
kind of thing, and I admit he was right. They
were absolutely amazing. Now, the other side to why this
production works so well is the performances of the cast.

(02:41:41):
Now Alas mccahn and Rob Johnson are really really good
as Barbara and Adam. They play the parts that they
have to play really well. Rob Johnson plays the kind
of shy and reserved adam to a tee, but this
production goes to a whole new level when Eddie Perfect
and Caris oak on the are on the stage. It's funny.

(02:42:07):
There was times when I was watching this where I
thought that when they weren't on stage there was a
bit of a lull, But it wasn't really a lull.
It was just you notice the difference when they when
they came onto the stage, they lifted it to a
whole new level. Eddie Perfect is absolutely amazing in this show.
If he doesn't win an award for the work that

(02:42:29):
he has done on this show, then there is something
seriously seriously wrong because he has done an absolutely brilliant
job bringing the character of Beetlejuice to life. You can
tell that some of the stuff that he's done is
ad libbed because on the night we were there, there
was a joke about about bringing your partner along to

(02:42:52):
a Coldplay concert and stuff like that, so you can
tell that it's ad libbed. Carras as well does an
amazing job because she has to be played the depressed
Lydia but also get laughs and dance around and stuff,
and she does that remarkably well. A lot of actresses
wouldn't be able to do that. The other thing that

(02:43:12):
hits you was the music from the show. There's some
very dark humor in some of these songs. One of
the songs points out that how wrong it is that
at one point, Beatlejuice and Lydia have to get married,
and it's a song about underage marriage, and it jokes
about it. It basically points out like how wrong it

(02:43:33):
was to be in the movie in the first place.
Lydia also does a song called dead Mum, which again
gets laughs all the way through it, But at the
same time it sounds weird because I'm talking about the
fact that they get laughs from this kind of morbid,
dark comedy. But at the same time, this is a
production that makes you stop and think about the people
that you've lost in your life as well. I remember

(02:43:56):
at one point when I was watching Lydia talk about this,
I was remembering my own grandmother dying, and I was
thinking about the fact that my grandmother wanted people to
celebrate our life and not be depressed after she'd gone,
and I was kind of surprised when family members around
me were actually getting depressed, and it made me think

(02:44:17):
what would Lydia's mum feel like if she could see
what Lydia was like? Now, So this is just one
of those productions where everything comes together. So well, this
is a production where it looks good, it sounds good,
the performances are amazing and it keeps you entertained. So look,

(02:44:37):
if you want to go along and check out an
absolutely brilliant musical production in Melbourne at the moment, go
along and check out Beetlejuice. The musical Eddie Perfect is well,
let's face it perfect. A karas Oka is brilliant as well,
So go along and see this absolutely magical experience.

Speaker 46 (02:45:00):
No daylight come and me wonglea we say.

Speaker 11 (02:45:09):
Daylight come then me Wongle.

Speaker 25 (02:45:14):
Bunch all right Toama?

Speaker 12 (02:45:17):
Did I come.

Speaker 6 (02:45:20):
Alright? The dead later?

Speaker 28 (02:45:28):
Did I?

Speaker 21 (02:45:32):
Did I done?

Speaker 39 (02:45:37):
Holy crap?

Speaker 6 (02:45:39):
I'm on Live TV.

Speaker 53 (02:45:44):
Hey, polks, I'm at the Tonys hanging with my Broadway homies.
Hold on to your patty la ponies. Let's start mon
it's the hole being dead thing your doom.

Speaker 25 (02:45:57):
Enjoy the singing.

Speaker 53 (02:45:59):
The sword of damn please is swinging. And if I
hear your cell phone ringing, I'm killing you myself. The
whole being dead Thie saff can get up, person stress.

Speaker 13 (02:46:11):
We should have carpet way more than you know.

Speaker 39 (02:46:12):
Now we're never gonna see him.

Speaker 6 (02:46:14):
I can show you what comes.

Speaker 28 (02:46:16):
Next, so he'll be freaked.

Speaker 53 (02:46:18):
Stay in your seats and yeah, I sing like this
eight shows a week, so just relax.

Speaker 6 (02:46:24):
You'll be fine. Shu, You're running out of time.

Speaker 16 (02:46:26):
But take a rat.

Speaker 6 (02:46:30):
Deck is gonna come to everyone, you know, so instead of.

Speaker 7 (02:46:34):
Being terrified, just be more.

Speaker 53 (02:46:35):
Yolo Ben Adam driver, you killed Han Solo not cool, bro.

Speaker 6 (02:46:41):
The whole being dead thing. Most two rears go down
the train.

Speaker 53 (02:46:46):
I want money, I want Mark, I want Blenda Jackson's part.

Speaker 8 (02:46:49):
I lost rolls to Nathan Lane, but now I got
my break.

Speaker 53 (02:46:53):
Here famous hands to shake here the scene or me
is faking here, but there's a giant stake here. You're
gonna be fine.

Speaker 6 (02:47:12):
Then you only other sun.

Speaker 13 (02:47:17):
Seriously, though, this is a show about it.

Speaker 53 (02:47:27):
If you die during this performance, the broadcast.

Speaker 43 (02:47:30):
Will not stop.

Speaker 53 (02:47:34):
Doing people.

Speaker 28 (02:47:35):
That's kill.

Speaker 6 (02:47:41):
That the thing with life.

Speaker 13 (02:47:42):
No one makes it.

Speaker 26 (02:47:43):
Out a lot.

Speaker 53 (02:47:45):
I tossed that party and love it. Doctor Thomas Tragic
blah blah, Michael Jesus magic one.

Speaker 12 (02:47:52):
If I can't lie, and that's it.

Speaker 53 (02:47:55):
No Pilate's no more young I'm not mistake your freaking
poser from the Cradle Dreamation just me.

Speaker 7 (02:48:04):
I am a master.

Speaker 1 (02:48:05):
And that is it for this episode of Subculture meets

(02:48:31):
the Popcorn Conspiracy. Hally. It has been an absolutely massive
show today, hasn't it.

Speaker 27 (02:48:36):
It has?

Speaker 2 (02:48:36):
And I though you were happy to get a Kiffness
track in there, which is I think it's good for
everyone to hear more Kifness.

Speaker 1 (02:48:45):
Definitely, and head along to the Cat Video Fest if
you get a chance to. It's a little bit of fun.
If you love cats, you're definitely gonna love to what
you see as part of that festival. Harley, there's so
much stuff going on.

Speaker 2 (02:49:00):
Tell Ai is going to control us. It's just going
to send us cat bids to our brains.

Speaker 1 (02:49:06):
Hal There's so much stuff going on at the moment
as well. I mean, you and I are going on
a road trip this weekend. Kyle's heading to Japan soon.
We've got myth coming up. If people want to keep
in touch with what we're actually doing and what might
be coming up on the show in the future. What
socials can they follow?

Speaker 2 (02:49:25):
Well, actually they should just call our publicists and you know,
pay us. No, yeah, no, definitely, We're on a lot
of the socials. So look for Subculture Entertainment on Facebook, Discord, Twitter,
or x TikTok and Blue Sky as well, or look
for Subculture Dave on Instagram and threads. We're also on Patreon,

(02:49:49):
so we've got more content going up there. Kyle and
I have just recorded this flashback classic film reviews for
the the robocopmovies, so we did a bit of a retrospective,
so they'll be going up over the next couple of weeks.
It's done in two parts, so if that wet your appetite,

(02:50:10):
check those out. There's tons and tons of stuff up there,
just like our website, which is chuck for this stuff
that will never quite fit into the show. So where's
our website, Dave?

Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
Yeah, our website is at www dot Subculture Entertainment dot
com and also on Instagram. We're closed to two thousand followers,
so we might have something special for the two thousand
follower on Instagram when that happens.

Speaker 2 (02:50:40):
Ooh tempting, but yeah, we probably should.

Speaker 1 (02:50:44):
Get out of here, right now because there's more great
programming coming up on the station.

Speaker 2 (02:50:48):
So for now, I've been Dave G and I've been Harley,
and thank you for joining us. See you next time.

Speaker 38 (02:51:01):
Did you lease us she would be