Subculture Radio Show Ep #112

Dave Griffiths, Harley Woods and Kyle McGrath are back with episode #112 of the Subculture Radio Show.

This time around they review The End, Dangerous Animals, Westgate, The Naked Gun,, Bury The Dead, The Exit 8 and When Fall Is Coming.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello listener as well, it is time for another episode
of Subculture meets the Popcorn Conspiracy. I'm Dave g and
joining me right now is Halle Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Mate, Thanks Dave, and welcome to all our listeners. And yeah,
it's especially popcorny tonight because we've got movies galore because
it is Melbourne International Film Festival season and you know,
above and beyond that, there's films coming out all the time.

(00:43):
So give us a hint. What films are we talking
about today?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Yeah, Well, like you said, the Melbourne International Film Festival
is on at the moment, but also a lot of
other people use that time in Melbourne to do the
world premiees for their movies as well, so it's kind
of a big film city right now. So tonight we're
actually going to take a look at well, Harley, we're
going to kick off with you taking a look at
a movie called The End starring Michael Shannon and Tilda Swinton.

(01:10):
So you're going to take a look that one, an't you?

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I am?

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Or I did rather?

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Interesting film, so yeah, stage tuned for that one. I
think we've all seen some pretty interesting stuff. What's on
after that?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, So I'm also going to take a look at
the new Aussie film that was on at the cinemas
a little while ago, but now it's kind of streaming
called Dangerous Animals, which is a shark film, and ironically
I'll be looking at another shark film next week as well.
I'll also be taking a look at a film that
had its world premiere at the Melbourne International Film Festival.

(01:45):
It's a film called Westgate, which if you listen to
our preview to the festival a few weeks ago, you'll
know that I was very excited to see. So I'll
take a look at Westgate as well. Kyle and I
will also take a look at the Naked Gun new
film which is landing in cinemas this week, which is
a kind of follow on from the classic Naked Gun movies.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Harley, they are convincing me to give it a chance
and maybe go see it because I love the originals.
So yeah, let's see what you all think after the review.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Definitely, and then Harley's going to join Kyle and I
and we're going to take a look at The Toxic Avenger,
which had its Australian premiere at the Melbourne International Film Festival,
which of course is a big comic book movie starring
Peter Dinklige and Kevin Bacon, so we'll take a look
at that. Kyle and I will also have a look
at another Australian film that had its world premiere at

(02:44):
Myth called Bury the Dead, an intriguing movie about an
incident in which the US Army accidentally kill all the
inhabitants of Tasmania. And this looks at the ramifications of
that of what's happen and the stress that not only
do the families have to go through, but the stress

(03:05):
that the body retrievers have to go through as well.
So yeah, we've got some pretty big reviews on tonight's show.
It's not very often here in Melbourne that we get
to have the world premiere film, so it's pretty good.
That's over the last couple of weeks and going into
the next couple of weeks, we're going to have so
many world premieres of movies here in Melbourne.

Speaker 5 (03:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's a special kind of period, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
It is. It's a massive festival of film and like
I said, a lot of films that haven't made it
into Myth kind of come to Melbourne at that time
period to do their world premieres as well, so that
they can kind of cash in because to be honest,
this film festival is kind of held in the same
regard as Kahn and film festivals like that. It is

(03:56):
a festival where the films in competition are all in
competition for Oscars and Golden Globes and things like that.
And because of that, there's a lot of world media
here in Melbourne at the moment for the Melbourne International
Film Festival. So that's why some other films try and
do their world premierees here as well, because they know
this is where all the important film reviewers are at

(04:18):
the moment.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Oh, next time I check out a movie during the festival,
I will be on better behavior. Whoops.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Definitely. But look, the other thing we have done for
tonight's episode as well is we opened it up on
discord for people to make suggestions for classic songs from
Australian film soundtracks. So we've got some stuff on there
from like sample people. What else have we got. We've
got Russell Morris the real thing. We've got a lot

(04:49):
of Australian tracks from Australian films coming up on tonight's
episode as well as picked from our listeners on discord,
and we're going to kick it off tonight actually with
a track that introduced a lot of people to powder
finger This is These Days, which of course is from
the Two Hands soundtrack, which a few years ago was
actually voted the best Australian song ever used in a film.

(05:13):
So there we go, we're gonna kick off. We're gonna
kick off tonight's show with These Days by a powder fingers.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
Come around again, slowly creep time, come.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
Soon enough. Bit sa was in its place, shadowing Monday.
It's pressure in Monday. Well, let's slip them. It's turned

(06:00):
out nothing like a tide. It's coming around again, slowly.

Speaker 8 (06:11):
Creeping a timing. It's settles in its place, shadow in
my faith.

Speaker 7 (06:25):
It's pressure in my day. Soon enough it comes here.
It is a give slowly creeping eyes time in its conveyed.
Soon enough it comes.

Speaker 6 (06:42):
Settles in its space. Shutow in my face, undignified in lane. Yes,
well let's slip that run through.

Speaker 9 (07:02):
These days turned out nothing like a man.

Speaker 7 (07:10):
Comtrol. Let's stop bad right to b these days turned
down nothing, lock.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Up bad soon, come.

Speaker 7 (07:48):
Soon, no doubt, come to.

Speaker 10 (08:02):
It's coming up story, Creeks stop, let's step it, please standpopping.

Speaker 9 (08:39):
Control, Let's sleep, rests turn.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Welcome back to subculture. I'm Holly and I'm reviewing The End,
directed by Joshua Oppenheimer. It's starring Tilda Swinton and Michael
Shannon as the mother and father of their son played
by George mackay, and they're surviving in basically the apocalypse.

(09:19):
The world is ending. They haven't seen anyone on the
surface of the world for a good twenty years because
they've been surviving underground for about twenty five years. And
the son played by George McKay, was actually born in
this underground. They're living in a salt mine and he

(09:40):
was born there, so he's never seen the sky the
outside world. All he has is history books and basically
what we come to find out is propaganda that his
father tells him as he helps his father write his autobiography.
It's an interesting and rather curious picture because it's also

(10:02):
a musical. I thought the musical inclusion was a little odd,
but the whole kind of setting and feel of the
movie is quite odd. It's actually quite fun. But yes,
you actually enter the movie with basically the sun singing

(10:22):
about what he's doing, and he's putting together a diorama
like a model train set, but you know, building the
countryside based on historical accounts that he's read in the
history books that they've survived with. They live in a
lovely home underground, which is filled with art works that

(10:45):
his mother has handpicked to take with them, So you
know right off that they're very well to do, and
they survive with just a few other people a butler
played by Tim McKinney, a doctor played by Le James,
and the friend of the mother played by Bruna Gallagher.

(11:08):
So they're a very intimate group all each other has.
But you start to kind of see like it feels
a little odd as you go along, and they have
their routine that they have to do every day, keeping
the place fresh. Every time it's a new season, a

(11:28):
new holiday, they redecorate the house, they switch up the
artworks that they've collected. Yeah, they change everything as if
the seasons are changing because they never see the outside world.
The most they see are the salt mines that they
live inside of. So yes, it's a very strange setting

(11:50):
because the world is basically burning to death on the surface. Okay,
so there's the setting for you. You could think that this
could go in all sorts of directions. Is it going
to be like a post apocalyptic thriller? Is someone going

(12:11):
to venture onto the surface, because things do kind of
bubble up in that sense, especially for the son who
has never seen anything other than this small place they
live in and the mind. But then there comes a
stranger one day, a girl played by Moses Ingram is
found in the minds that don't know how she got there,

(12:33):
where did she come from? Are there more people? They're
very scared of other people coming. In the past, other
people have come and they keep guns to keep them
away because it seems like, you know, people were always
at each other, killing each other for what little food

(12:53):
and resources were left. So it would seem like, okay,
this is why they don't trust other people. But maybe
they're not so trustworthy themselves. It's a beautifully shot film.
Like I said, they live in this beautiful home, even
though it's in this subterranean mind They go to efforts

(13:15):
to make sure it looks beautiful. They decorate it immaculately.
Even the minds, though, look very interesting in their texture
and structure, and the way it's shot in film. It's
really interesting. The use of color and texture in this
film kind of ridiculousness to it all. I mean, you

(13:37):
get these quirky elements of the characters coming through that
the musical factor makes it seem really ridiculous. It's like
you don't know what to expect from the film. Like
I said, it opens with a musical number of the
soun just singing about what he's doing. He's just basically
naming the things that he's putting on his diorama. It

(14:00):
seems really odd, and the father appears in the back
of the scene kind of watching what he's doing. As
soon as he knows the father's there, he shuts up singing,
So you kind of don't know is he embarrassed because
he was singing, or is it just the fact that

(14:20):
he's there. And as the scene unfold, it's like, oh,
maybe he shouldn't have been there solely doing what he
was doing, but you know, there's no reason for sort
of embarrassment. It's like a little boy being caught out.
And we'll get more onto more of that later. The
musical segments sometimes I was feeling were unnecessary, but as

(14:46):
you go through you realize this is how we get
inside the characters when emotions get heightened. This is how
we kind of know what they're thinking. We get a
bit more information about about what they're holding onto, which
we do see in other ways. But something about the

(15:06):
musical element means you get to add voice to some
of the stuff that's below the surface. So it kind
of works well, but it also adds that weirdness to
the situation. It's like, OK, this is already an unusual setting.
Now you have the musical element. What is going on.

(15:31):
It's that weirdness and ridiculousness that kind of makes the
feeling of the movie, of the story. It's an odd one,
but it's really quite special in that regard. The characters
could be a little confusing at the start. Trying to
pin down what each person's character was like did get

(15:58):
a little messy at times. For example, we start with
the mother and the father, you kind of get an
idea that kind of turns and the father seems like
more willing to accept this stranger into their home, whereas
the mother becomes paranoid and says, now we've got to
get rid of her. And based on the previous scenes,

(16:22):
I would have thought it was the other way around,
but then things will slip again or flip again, and
it's like the mother is the more, you know, sound, emotional,
comforting one and the father seems the more rigid and
threatening one. So it's like they have to be the

(16:46):
opposite of each other, and you kind of find that
between the different characters as well. As one flips in
one direction, their counterpart flips in the other direction. So
it makes for some confusing, frankly but kind of gripping

(17:09):
scenes as well. As it goes on, you kind of
get used to some of this as you unpeel more
of what's going on, and you realize that they've been
down there, most of them for twenty five years, so yes,
they're going through certain routines and things that they have to,

(17:32):
but when something shakes up the routine, it forces a
stress on their emotions and they do these flips and
things start to come out, and that's where the interest
really lies, because you want to unpack more and more
of this story. Maybe the hardest to pin though, sometimes

(17:53):
was the Sun. George McKay's performance is great, and I
think he probably has one of the hardest roles to
do because he's basically and an adult sized child really,
because he's never known anything else other than this world.
With the few people that are around him, there's never

(18:15):
been anyone else in his life. So they all are
much older, and they all treat him like their child,
the way they interact with him, the way they kind
of talk down to him. Some are motherly, some are
a bit more instructional, or they give the rules and

(18:37):
punishments and things like that. But he is becoming a
man in his own right. But the way he's raised
means he only has the knowledge of what's been fed
to him, what's in the books that they have with them,
and what his father and the people around him teach him.

(18:57):
So there can be some question about what it is
he knows. But despite them, you know, forming him into
a young man, he is still the child of the group,
and they can't help but treat him that way. He's
the only child they will ever see, it seems like.
So the difficulty that I want to get at here

(19:20):
is that, yes, this is this man child character who's
you know, trying to become a man, but the influences
aren't right. So there's certain things he wouldn't necessarily be
awake to. And this is where the problem lies in

(19:40):
occasional scenes, as things will come to a head for
certain characters and they might be having an outburst or
a breakdown or something, and he will be the one
to step in with a bit of emotional intelligence. And
it seems like the wrong person to have that voice.

(20:01):
So rather than, you know, the man sized child having
the inside, you would think one of the adult characters
would be able to step in and say, hang on,
here's some intelligent way to handle your emotions. Here's some inside.
But oddly it's him that has the inside, and it

(20:24):
just feels a little unnatural coming from that character. Mind you,
the other characters have all been living for twenty five
years with guilts and regrets and all these pent up
things that mean they're too buried in their own bs

(20:45):
basically to kind of see clearly. So they're all carrying
around their scars and their predilections and predeterminations of things,
so they're not really seeing things all that clearly. So
you kind of wouldn't expect them to have the emotional
intelligence either. Sometimes it's a difficult situation, but it does

(21:11):
strike me that he's this strange character to give those
words too. For a lot of the film, we see
him helping his father write the father's autobiography, this book
that no one will ever read as it as we
go along, we find out there just doesn't seem to
be anyone left in the world except this girl who

(21:33):
turns up and her family has just died, and before
that they hadn't seen anyone for weeks or months, and
even before that it was a long time in between
encountering other humans on the surface. But despite this, the
father wants this autobiography to go out. But as we

(21:53):
go along we find it's full of propaganda because he
was one of the big energy and oil tycoons type
people who frankly is responsible for the apocalypse that is
going on on the surface of the world. So this
whole autobiographical exercise is a means of, basically, like I said,

(22:19):
propaganda to alleviate his own guilt for his part in
ruining the surface wealth. This element, in particular, demonstrates a
clear example of the fictions that each character is creating
in order to survive and just bury their own regrets

(22:41):
and guilts and hyppiness. And now it's kind of turning
into a madness. As I said, before they go through
these routines, it's almost like rituals to keep the place
looking clean, do the things, you know, don't let anything go,
because the moment you start to let things go, you

(23:03):
start to let yourself go. When you start to realize
the hopelessness of the situation you're in, you will never
be out of it. You will die in this hole
in the ground. The weirdness and the quirkiness of the
situation allows for a lot of humor played straight delivery

(23:23):
of lines or explanations, you know, to explain away things
that just seem odd or almost nonsensical as a means
to just keep justifying what they're doing and explain away
anything to survive and carry on. There's a lot of
great audience reaction to these quirky little lines, and it's

(23:44):
just it's great and the way they're played, the character
performances are spot on for this, even celebrating fact that
the Sun, the youngest of the survivors, will be the
last of them, saying to him like all this will
be yours one day, you know, making his eventual solitude,

(24:05):
and you know he's doomed to die alone in this place,
but they're making it seem like a prize for him
to inherit all this, and yes, it probably is the
last collection of wealth and art and wonderful things on
the planet and as a survival center. But if he's
there alone when the rest of them all die, which

(24:28):
is probably not all that far off, they're all getting
older and older and he's far younger than that. So yeah,
it's quite peculiar that they have to keep it going
by saying this is all going to be yours one day,
this is all great stuff, and make it all seem great,

(24:49):
but you know one day he's going to discover that
he's alone and just probably miserable. So yeah, it's the
more you hear this, the more absurd comes, and you
just want to laugh at the absolute absurdity of it,
because it's kind of cruel and horrible at the same time.

(25:14):
I would say this film has a beautiful oddness. It's
actually a real pleasure to watch. But you occasionally realize
that the film's been going for a long time and
you think it's a breaking point. Now. You know things
are being stirred up, emotions, past stories and things that
have been hidden are coming out and everything's about to change,

(25:38):
but then there'll be a sudden flip and it will
just set the situation back to the status quo, and
that will go on, and then a lot more time
passes and it's like, yeah, no, it's building up again
and it's going to flip. It's like, now the sun
thinks he wants to leave this place and maybe go
and see the actual real world, see this for the

(26:00):
first time. He's never seen stars and clouds. But it
happens again, and this results in a It's such an
intense feeling of frustration at the end of the film
that can kind of leave you annoyed. But the truth

(26:23):
of it is that this is a perfect representation of
the way humans are conditioned. Even in today's world. People
could get out of a situation, but they don't. They
decide to keep going with it because it's just survival
and doing what you know is like better the devil

(26:45):
you know, but actually maybe the opposite is a lot
healthier for you getting away from the situation. The film
offers some genuine insight to the human condition in this respect,
especially in this peculiar setting. It really brings out the
absurdity of it all. Just The only drawback for me

(27:09):
was those few little what seemed like flaws of character
logic to me that I mentioned earlier. But it almost
makes sense in the madness of the situation, so it's
quite forgivable. But it's a wonderfully short film, and yeah,

(27:31):
I just think little things that cause confusion like that
are the only thing that keep it from having its
perfect light. But it also keeps you off kilter a
little bit, which I think you need to be in
order to appreciate how it's not just the absurdity of

(27:55):
the situation but the actual character truth of how like
I was saying, this is what people are like. They
will put themselves through hell, repeating bad situations through conditioning
and rather than face things that they don't want to

(28:16):
admit to or feel guilty about. So it's a really
interesting insight into characterlogy. Like I was loving it all
the way through. Then there's a final scene which almost
made me hate the film, and it's like, I don't
want that last scene, but after sleeping on it, I
have to say, no, it was necessary. That's the story

(28:40):
we're trying to get out, that's what we're trying to
make reference to the human flaws here. This is what
we're like, this is what we want to point out. Look,
I think it's a really interesting film. So if you're
it does go for like two and a half hours,
so just be prepared and you will kind of be

(29:01):
expecting maybe something else to happen in certain places and
a tangent to go off. But yeah, just stick with it.
If you want an really interesting character drama full of oddity,
I'd say check out this film. I'm going to give
it four out of five stars.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Well, now on the show, I want to take a
look at a brand new Australian film that is in cinemas. Now,
there are some genres that here in Australia we just
do exceptionally well.

Speaker 7 (29:33):
Drama.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
We have brilliant dramas that get made in the Australian
film industry. We also do horror thrillers remarkably well as well,
and that dates right back to those osploitation movies of
the seventies and the eighties, films that inspired the lacks
of Quentin Tarantino. And now we have another one of

(29:55):
these brilliant horror thrillers in our cinemas. The film is
called Dangerous Animals. And it comes from director Sean Brn. Now,
Sean Burn's been pretty interesting as a director because he
made the absolutely brilliant loved Ones in two thousand and nine,

(30:16):
which I think a lot of people thought was going
to end up making him as big as Leewanell and
James One. But surprisingly since then he's only made The
Devil's Candy in twenty fifteen, and now Dangerous Animals and
Dangerous Animals again reminds us just what a brilliant director

(30:39):
Sean Brn is. Now, this is a little bit of
a slow Burn horror, I guess you could say, in
the sense early on we learn pretty much what this
character called Bruce Tucker played by Jiye Courtney is doing
when two backpackers, Heather played by Ellen Newton and played

(31:00):
by Liam Greenkey, sign up for his shark viewing tour.
Not long into the tour and Greg becomes shark bait. Yes,
Bruce gets off on feeding tourists to sharks. Now there's
a reason for that. He was attacked by a shark
when he was younger, and now he's just completely fascinated

(31:23):
by these creatures. We then cut to the story of
backpacking surfer Zephyr played by Hasse Harrison, who, despite not
liking him when she first meets him, has a little
bit of a fling with Moses played by Josh Houston.
Now it's clear that Moses loves Zephyr from day one. Zephyr,

(31:47):
on the other hand, won't admit it, and after one
night together, she takes off once again. Unfortunately, during that
time hers her paths crossed with Bruce and she finds
herself handcuffed and tied on his boat next to Heather. Moses, however,
starts looking for Zephyr. Meanwhile, Zephyr does all that she

(32:15):
can to try and get free and destroy Bruce's plans,
so it basically becomes a Zephyr versus Bruce from then on.
Is that forr gonna win? Or is she going to
become shark bait like the rest of Bruce's victims? Now
this is for me. This is an actual pretty good

(32:37):
horror movie, horror thriller even there's so much suspense in this.
I almost want to call it a thriller rather than
a horror because as humans we're hardwired to fear sharks.
It's kind of funny. I have to admit I'm someone
who is fascinated by sharks as well. No, I'm not

(32:57):
like Bruce. I don't feed tourists as sharks. But whenever
we go to somewhere like SeaWorld or we go to
one of the aquariums, I always find myself completely fascinated
by sharks. They're the closest thing that we've got to
prehistoric animals on this planet, and I just find them.
I find them fascinating, but I also find them mistreated

(33:20):
in the sense of the way that they're depicted. I mean,
I know, if a dog bites someone, they get put
to sleep, but I always have a problem when a
surfer gets attacked by a shark and they go out
looking for the shark. It's like we're in their territory.
We know the dangers and the risks that we've put
ourselves in by going into their territory. But it's funny

(33:43):
because I remember someone telling me a stat a few
years ago when we were doing one of the Sea
Shepherd tours, and they said, more people are killed on
this planet every year by horses and hippos than sharks,
Yet you never hear about in the press. So even
though you may only have four or five shark attacks

(34:05):
in Australia a year. We're kind of hardwired to believe
that they're everywhere and always coming for us, So that
automatically adds a level of suspense to this movie. You
can probably say that when Nick Leppard, who's the writer
of this film, came up with the concept, that he

(34:26):
already had suspense at like sixty seventy percent before anything
else even happens in this movie, even before the introduction
of Bruce. Then you've got Bruce as a character, and
he's a little bit like Mick from Wolf Creek. I
guess there's a lot of questions about this guy. He
kind of has this Aussie persona that woodlerin Tourists like.

(34:52):
He He doesn't come across the kind of guy he's
gonna slash you up. He has this He does have
a warped kind of sense of humor, which we see
very early on when he's talking to Heather and Greg.
But at the same time he's likable. And I think
that's the kind of thing that we do very well
here in Australia with our killers in movies, is that

(35:16):
we do set them up very very well. I mean,
even thinking of the killer that Stephen Curry played a
few years ago as well in that in the Western
Australian film that he was in. When you hear people
talking about the fact that they've lived next door to
a killer or something and they're being interviewed on the news,

(35:37):
they'll always talk about the fact that, oh, we seem
like an everyday guy.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I used to wave to him and say, hello, we
seem nice. With a lot of American movies, I find
you can quite often pick the killer in films because
they'll make them obviously somebody who's suffering from mental illness,
which I myself think is a little bit cruel sometimes

(36:03):
that they do that. But you can generally at times
pick the killer because they make them kind of stand
out in a crowd, I guess is the best way
to put it, whereas that's not normally the case with
serial killers, which is the case here with Bruce. He's
a likable guy. I also like the fact here that

(36:26):
both Nick Leappard and short Burn don't waste any time
with this film. There's no crazy setting up of b
stories or anything like that. It's straight down to Heather
and Greg being sucked in by Bruce and Greg being
a victim pretty soon afterwards. It's interesting as well. I
love the battle kind of between Zephyr and Bruce in

(36:50):
this case, because it almost feels like the first Saw movie,
like she's tied up, she's chained up, she has to
kind of almost think of macabre ways to try and
free herself to go up against Bruce, and I guess
as an audience sometimes you can get kind of frustrated

(37:13):
with these movies because the writer comes up with unique
or easy ways for the villain to win at different
times during the movie. Here, you generally wonder is Zephyr
gonna pull this off. There's some horrific things that she

(37:35):
has to do to herself to get herself free, but
Bruce just always seems to be that one step ahead,
and it's not unbelievable. This guy, as we learn, has
been doing this for years. He's probably come across someone
like Zephyr before who wants to fight for her freedom,
and he has to stay one step ahead. Like you
kind of think the first few times she tries stuff,

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it's probably stuff that he's had tried on him before.
For There's another layout to this story as well, which
I think works really well. This is proof. I think
that Nick Leopard is a really really good screenwriter, and
that is you kind of have to find unique ways
for how this guy is getting away with it. Now

(38:19):
with Zephyr, that's set up really well. This is a
character who has sex with someone and not even he
knows anything about her other than her first name. He
knows her van, and that gives him enough to be
able to go to the police and say, hey, look,
I think this person. I think this person has disappeared,

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but the cops aren't taking it all that seriously because
this guy knows nothing about her, doesn't know her surname
or anything like that, doesn't know where her family is,
and you kind of picked. That's what Bruce has done
over the years as well. There's probably times when he's
taken a group of peop people out on this shark

(39:02):
experience and given them the proper experience without killing anybody,
because he realizes he can't get away with it. Very
early on with Heather and Greg, he basically says to
them as, so did you tell your friends who are
coming here today? And they say, oh, no, no one
knows we're here. So they're perfect victims. That comes into
it very very well, because with some of the establishing

(39:25):
shots and panting shots we see in this we see
that Bruce's boat is not all that far away from
the main strip of Gold Coast. So therefore you kind
of have to have that believability that this guy is
getting away with this in an area like where he is. Yeah,

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it's interesting because this story could fall apart very very quickly.
There's only one part in this movie where I do
think that it does fall apart, and that is at
one time when they an emergency helicopter flying over and
it flies over the deck of Bruce's boat. Now there's
clearly blood. You see it in the film that there's

(40:09):
clearly blood on the deck at that time. I'm not
sure that an emergency helicopter who's out looking for somebody
would see blood on the deck of a boat and
not investigate it, or not get the cops to investigate it.
So I found that maybe a little bit of a
bit of an error in the plot, but for the
most part, I think it works. The other thing that

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really works in this movie to other performances Jy Courtney, Well,
we've known for years that he is a brilliant actor.
He's someone who we've all watched in movies like Divergent,
We've seen him in Suicide Squad and Terminated Genesis, and

(40:50):
we've always wondered why this guy hasn't gone on to
bigger and better things, Like even he was the person
pick to play the young Jack in A Good Day
to Die Hard, and it's like that still didn't elevate
him to the point where where he's a superstar like that,

(41:11):
I feel that he should be, but look, he is
absolutely bringant here in Dangerous Animals. He plays this character
so so well. I almost wish they could make a
sequel to this film or a prequel to it so
that we could see more of Bruce because he's such
an interesting character and Jake Courtney plays that role really well.
You'd almost suggested that Jack Courtney should be nominated for

(41:35):
an Actor Award or even an AVCA Award for this role,
because it's difficult playing these roles. I know a lot
of people might look at this and go, oh, look,
it's just a dumb horror thriller, but it's incredibly difficult
to play a role like that. So yeah, hopefully we

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might see him reve some nominations for this hasse Harrison,
I guess as well, also announces herself here. Yes, this
is an Australian film, but she's an American actress and
we've seen her in stuff like Heart of Dixie and
Yellowstone over the years. But I think this film really

(42:17):
shows that she has got what it takes to go
to that next level as well, so hopefully we get
to see her more as well.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
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Speaker 1 (42:27):
Say I really did enjoy Dangerous Animals. I think not
only does this film remind us how good Jai Courtney
is as an actor, what a good actress hasse Harrison
is becoming, but it also reminds us that we've got
this absolute gem of a horror director here in Australia
called Sean Byrne, and boy we wish we could see

(42:48):
more of his films because he is a real, real talent.
This film will have you on the edge of your
seat from start to finish. It's not always an easy watch.
There's some pretty gruesome scenes in here. Man, this is
this is well worth going along and seeing. I'm actually
going to give Dangerous Animals four and a half out

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of five. I think this is an absolutely brilliant film,
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Speaker 7 (49:06):
Well.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
One of the films to have its big world premiere
this year at the Melbourne International Film Festival was the
new film from director Adrian or Tager called Westgate. Now,
of course, Adrian or Taga had a movie out a
few years ago called Cyrillian Blue, which won over a

(49:27):
few of us. To be honest, there was a few
of us out there who really thought this was an
interesting film and it kind of suggested that Adrian had
bigger and better things to move on to as well. Now,
his latest film, Westgate, really only works if you know
a little bit about what happened with the Westgate Bridge

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in the nineteen seventies. For those of you that don't know,
while the Westgate Bridge was being built in Melbourne, which
is Melbourne's largest bridge, part of it collapsed while it
was being worked on and killed a number of the
men who were working on the bridge at the time. Now,
Westgate tells the story of the daughter of one of

(50:10):
those victims, Netta, played by Sarah Nico Lazo. Now, because
of that, she kind of had a little bit of
a rough upbringing. Her mother played by Rosa Nicks, would
have had a pretty tough life. Of course, back then
something like that happening is not like today, where the

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victim's family would be given millions and millions and millions
in compensation. Instead, they were basically left with nothing and
without a way of being able to support themselves. So
we kind of learn a little bit there about why
Netta and her mother are the way that they are,
and they don't get along very well. In fact, you

(50:54):
kind of get the feeling that Netta feels that she's
often judged by her mother for the way that she's
bringing up her son, Julian Max Napo, especially now that
her own relationship has fallen apart and she is a
single mother. Now, Nedda is doing it tough. She's got

(51:16):
landlords knocking on her door asking for money. There is
something wrong with Julian that's making him have severe headaches
and then collapsing. And the saloon that she's trying to
sell on that she's trying to open up as well,
is just not happening due to the fact that they
don't have money and relying on people doing freebies and

(51:39):
things like that for them as well, and it's taking
a lot longer than what she anticipated. Now this is
where this film gets interesting, because when I first started
to watch this film, I have to admit I didn't
really like the character of Nedda. I didn't like the
fact that it felt at times like she wasn't trying
to help her son, Like she's offered medication and that

(52:00):
might be able to help her son get better and
she refuses it. But also around the fact that there's
a day where Julian is supposed to go and play
football and Nedda can't get him there. I was starting

(52:20):
to think, look, I don't really like her as a character, Like,
how's this going to work for me with this movie?
But then I started to realize that part of the
magic of this film is it is telling the story
of how Nedda has ended up in this situation. It's
not Nedda that I should be angry at for the
fact that Julian can't get to his football match. It's
the people around her. If her ex husband had just

(52:42):
done as he was asked and taken Julian on the
day that he was supposed to, it would never have happened.
Julian would have got to his game, Nedda would have
been able to go and do the things that she
was able to do. And that's when I realized that, Yeah,
perhaps there is a little bit of pride with Nedda
as a character, especially when it comes to her relationship
with her mother, but she is also let down a

(53:05):
lot by people around her. But also the tragedy here
is the situation that she finds herself in has also
led to the person that she is in a sense
as well. I mean, we see later on that a
guy has offered her a way out of this, but
she's hesitant to do so. And I think you soon

(53:27):
start to realize that the reason she is liked that
is because she lost her father at such an early age.
She can't afford to lose that relationship with Julian, so
therefore she's probably a little bit guided, and yes she
makes mistakes. And I think that's what I really like
about Adrian or Tager's screenplay here is that he hasn't

(53:48):
set Ntda up as the perfect character. She's got downfalls,
she's got weaknesses, but that's what makes her human and
this is a human story.

Speaker 17 (53:59):
I know.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
This is all so an ode to the Western suburbs
of Melbourne, which strangely enough, I have an infinity with
as well, because where I grew up, I could actually
see the red light on top of one of the
big chimneys in this area, and that chimney and that
red light actually features in this film, so I was

(54:20):
really not that far away from it. It's also this
is an area of Melbourne that I go through quite
a lot, so we all kind of have that infinity
and it's kind of interesting. I wonder if people from
other cities will relate to this film in the same
way we all go over the West Gate Bridge. We
all know that the Western Bulldogs are the heart and
soul of that suburb. So there's little nods in here,

(54:44):
like when they're in the bar that there's Western bulldogs
or footscrape bulldogs as it would have been in those days,
memorabilia and stuff around. So this is a film that
kind of captures the western suburbs of Melbourne very very well.
It is a character story, like I said, and I
love watching character stories, and I know some people might
watch this film and think, well, it doesn't it doesn't

(55:05):
really go anywhere. It doesn't have to. This is a
character study This basically tells a day in the life
of a single mother living in the western suburbs of Melbourne,
and it does that really, really well. I think that
Adrian Ortega's screenplay here is amazing, and these are the
kinds of stories that we need to be telling as Australians.

(55:30):
I find it weird that we're so open here in
Australia to watching films about life in the Midwest of America,
or life in Compton or life in Brooklyn in America,
and we often don't get to see these Australian stories.
Like I put this film in the same kind of
area as what I do with Heartbreak Kid. Maybe I

(55:52):
have a little bit more of an understanding of these films,
or I accept them more because I grew up in
a very multicultural area of Melbourne. I don't know if
I've said this on air before, but there were forty
kids in my classroom when I was growing up and
only two of us were white Australians. So watching movies

(56:13):
like Heartbreak Kid feels completely natural for me because that's
where I grew up, and the same with this movie.
Growing up where I grew up, I knew heaps of
netters I knew heaps of Julian's whose mum were mums
were coming from a cultural background like this been more
single moms. So these are the important stories that we

(56:34):
need to be telling. And I think the power in
this film is not only Adrian Ortega's marvelous screenplay, but
the performance is here. Sarah Nicolaso is amazing. And she
doesn't get nominated for an Actor Award for this, then
there is something seriously wrong. And I say the same
for Max Nappo. He needs to be nominated for this
because he is a very very bright young actor who's

(56:56):
got a big future ahead of him. Same with Sarah Nicolaso.
She's someone who I've watched in this and thought, hmm,
I wonder if she could be in one of my
projects one day. Is she's such a great actress. So look,
go out and support these films. These are the important
films that we need to be making here in Australia.
I think Westgate is a very very important film, brilliantly written,

(57:18):
brilliantly performed. I'm giving this one four out of five.
Make sure you go out and see Westgate when it
gets a cinema release or a streaming release. Because these
are the kinds of films that we need to be making.
I'm giving Westgate four out of five.

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Come welcome back to the show. I'm your host.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Kyle and I'm joined by David Hey And yeah, Well,
the next film that we're going to be talking about
is the Naked Gun reboot remake sequel. I don't know
what you'd call it. Naked Gun forty four fourty four. Well,
it's a gun's crime, drugs and scum, and it's not

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the Australian Parliament. It's the rotten streets of la But
there's only one man, man enough to take it all on,
But unfortunately that man is Lieutenant Frank Dreben Junior played
by Liam Neeson of Police Squad. Now, Lieutenant Frank Drebon
Junior has big shoes to fill the shoes of his

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late great father, Frank Drebon, who was a man that
got the job done, and that job was stopping the baddies.
Now Junior has the one thing which counts in the
world of law enforcement, a dead wife and a license
to kill. Now he'll shoot first and ask questions later,
and Frank's latest case will be his biggest, most action

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packed one of all. Now it all starts, like so
many other with a high stakes bank robbery which is
acting as a cover for a tech billionaire's secret plans.
The tech billionaire being Richard Kin played by Danny Houston.
There's also a beautiful dame named Beth Davenport played by

(01:03:43):
Pamela Anderson who's investigating the mysterious death of her brother,
and Frank Drebond Junr. Needs to make Daddy proud and
bo else La will become even more of a crime
filled wasteland. The nineteen eighty two TV series Police Squad

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had a limited run, but it gave way to the
much more successful Naked Gun movie in I Believe nineteen
eighty eight, and that was hugely successful.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
There were two sequels to it.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Eventually it wrapped up and now it is time for
a post oj Simpson Naked Gun a movie. But well, David,
were you a fan of the other movies.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Or I was it was one of those movies or
they were that some of those movies I used to
watch with my dad, like, because we have the same
kind of humor. So I was kind of scared with
this film coming out. I was kind of like, I
was scared for two reasons. First of all, I thought
they couldn't get away with the humor that they got
away with in the past. But I must admit that

(01:04:53):
as soon as I saw in the credits of this film,
in the opening credits that Seth McFarland was part of it,
I was like, oh, maybe to get away with that
kind of comedy. And I was also worried about Liam
Neeson playing the role as well, because of course he
doesn't do comedy very often. He did it for Seth

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mcfolland once before in A Million Ways to Die in
the West, and he did it quite well in that film,
but again he was still playing the tough street guy.

Speaker 17 (01:05:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
So I was kind of worried about where this film
was going to go.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
And like, even.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
With a love interest, like you could kind of think
that the love interest would be someone like a Kristen
Wig or a Melissa McCarthy, someone that can pull off
that kind of comedy. But it was Pamela Anderson, who,
like most people, you would know her from Baywatch and
if you were into artistic films you would know she
did the really deadly serious Last show Girl at the
end of last year, which he should have got an

(01:05:51):
Oscar nomination for but didn't. So it was kind of like, oh,
he hasn't even got like a a comedian to bounce
off either. But I have to say this worked so well.
I haven't laughed this hard in a movie since about
eight and twenty fourth and there I haven't laughed as
much in a movie I don't think for years, Like

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just of how this comedy worked, whether it be a
one liner, whether it be slapstick, something happening in the background, whatever,
every joke seem to land. There was no joke in
this where it was like oh really they all hit.
I don't know if you found that the same way. Yeah,
I was like you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:32):
I was a huge fan of the original movies and
also of the original TV series. I was just like
everything that comes out now, I'm like, okay, yeah, it's
time to do nake a gun, time to pillage that.
But the first trailer that came out was actually kind
of promising and for a lot of people, they saw
it and it was like that was actually kind of

(01:06:53):
funny and yeah, like people are laughing at the trailer,
like despite themselves and that like you usually think that's
the thing. You know, they always they used the best
jokes in the trailer, but it's like, no, they used
some really good jokes in a movie that is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Just wall to ball great humor.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
I think the the filmmakers that made this, it's the
same group that made the Chippendale Rescue Rangers. Yeah, reboot
kind of thing a few years ago, which I thought
it was more of a satire of like modern Hollywood
and rebooting all TV shows. But it was kind of

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that one I still didn't really like because I thought
it was kind of toothless. It wasn't really kind of
hard hitting with it with how it was making fun
of Disney and being a Disney movie itself. But they
really understood the humor and the way that the jokes
were written for the old Police Squad TV show, the

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Naked Gun movies that it wasn't just say something speaking
of Anderson and they watch like the R rated they
watch movie with the Rock and zach Efron, that one
that should have been as good as twenty one Jump Street.
That should I should have loved that movie. But it

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was just not funny at all. It was just Okay,
here's some guy's dick. That's the joke, you know, Like
but when.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
He got stuck in the thing, that was funny, I know,
that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:25):
It was like there was some there was some parts
in it they were funny, but that was basically it
just the raunchy humor was like all that all that
they had for that that that movie, whereas this it
really is the like the same type of visual gags,
the same type of like NonStop jokes, funny dialogue and

(01:08:48):
like that kind of stuff that if you not if
you're not paying attention, you'll miss a gag. Everybody will
be laughing and by the time you're trying to forget what,
oh what, you ask the person next to you, what what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
What? Just what they just said? You missed like three
other jokes in that time.

Speaker 15 (01:09:02):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
It's just so like someone said to me the other
night at the screen, and the jokes were coming so
fast that sometimes they missed the next joke because people
were still laughing at the first jokes.

Speaker 5 (01:09:11):
It's so freaking and I'm like you, I haven't laughed
this much in a movie in a very long time.
I think, like the last time was maybe one of
the Jackass movies. But like for an actual scripted comedy,
I can't think of another movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
That I've laughed as hard in a cinema. Yeah, like
ever before, Like I was thinking of, like movies like
The Ring Aer and Bad Grandpa and stuff like that.
They're the movies that have Maybe Bridesmaids made me laugh
a lot when I saw it, but yeah, there's plenty,
but not this frequently. I love, like Bride'smade was my
favorite film of twenty eleven, but like, same deal, Like

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I wasn't laughing as much like it. Right from the
start of this one, I knew that, yeah, I was
in good hands because I was just laughing so hard
at the humor, the level of jokes, the type of
jokes as saying it's like there's as you saying that
there's stuff that a few years ago you wouldn't have
been able to tell that kind of a joke. And

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I guess I don't say, oh, Hollywood's healing or something,
but I think just Seth McFarland's because Seth McFarland. I
think as a producer on this, it was good because
when this, when it's something that he really cares about,
he'll go like full on, like accurate as far as
like his The Orville TV show that he does, the

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science fiction star Trek kind of thing. People really love
that because it's so earnest and how it how it's approaches.
He's done other things which have.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
Really failed because he has because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
He's done them so.

Speaker 5 (01:10:47):
Because he's done them so faithfully, like people haven't gotten
the joke. Like he's done these old like show tune
kind of TV shows that like it was unironic, like
he wasn't doing it to be bad, he was doing
it specifically for that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
And I think maybe him having an appreciation.

Speaker 5 (01:11:04):
Of the old naked gun, the older David Zucker, the
guys that made Airplane and Naked gunn and all these
kind of movies. Top secret, I think him having a
love for their humor. Really you can really see that
in the script and just how it really is just
a brilliant like it's a very cleverly written film. It's

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a very cleverly written silly film, which is like, yeah,
I don't think I've seen in a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
No, And also like family Guy, the pop culture references
here are spread out as well so that both an
older and a younger audience can get it. And there's
little subtle things in there as well, like C. C. H.
Pounder playing the Chief. She was the chief of police
in The Shield, So there's like little things like that
where it's like, yeah, we all watched her in the

(01:11:54):
Shield trying to rope in this rogue detective with Vic mackei,
and now's doing the same thing and naked gun with
a probably less dangerous but just as willing to break
the law kind of cop. So those little things like that.
But there's like Buffy references in there. There's an O. J.
Simpson reference in there, so Bill Cosby, Yeah, yeah, So

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there's like there's bits in there that people doesn't matter
if you're a younger audience member or an older audience member,
you're going to get them, which is the same with
Family Guy. Like they'll parody a movie from the sixties,
and then the next scene they'll be parodying like mcguyver
or something from like modern day. It's like that, and
it works. Because that was my other fear for this

(01:12:40):
movie was because I think with Baywatch, what they tried
to do with that was they tried to make it
appeal to a younger audience so they like and because
and bay Watch is a weird one to parody as well,
because in a sense, the show's not as bad as
what people make out that it was in the first place.
Like a lot of people kind of like to to

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make out that Baywatch was just about putting women in wet,
slow motion running, but it really was a crime show
in a sense, the same as something like Miami Vice
or Jake and the Fat Man something like that, Like
it was kind of it was a serious show. Like
it was just that it became my iconic because teenage

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boys liked to tune in every week because it had
four women running around in red swimsuits, whereas with Naked Gun,
it was like, Okay, are they going to try and
make this younger as well? Like and I think, as
someone said, the first sign that they weren't going to
do that was that it didn't have Shannon Tatum or
somebody in it like Liam Neeson's not exactly eye candy

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for a fifteen year old girl. Like so it felt
straight away that it was going to stay true to
the Naked Gun franchise rather than like they did with Baywatch,
bringing people like The Rock and Zac Efron and people
like that that would appeal to a younger audience.

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 17 (01:14:06):
So yeah, like that.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
I know we're beaten up on Baywatch, but just like that,
I really do think about that movie like that was
one that should have worked, like twenty one John Street worked. Yeah,
Like it was a complete kind of parody making fun
of that TV show event and it really worked.

Speaker 17 (01:14:25):
They watch.

Speaker 5 (01:14:25):
I think when we when we first saw it, I
might have said in our review talking about it that
it felt like it was written by somebody who had
never actually watched an episode of baywatching their life.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
That's how it felt to me as well. It felt
like it was someone that was like Hey, remember that
TV show with the women in the red swimsuits. Let's
make fun of it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Yeah, And it's like so of course, it's like the
first thing that somebody should have said. It's like, Okay,
we're doing a bay Watch movie. We're not going to
have any kind of like slow motion running gags or
anything like that, because that that was done today when
the show was on the air. It's now been like
twenty thirty years later. It's not funny anymore. Do something
that we'll have to come up with new jokes. But

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with this you can tell, like I said that, I
can't stress enough just how much you can tell that
they had respect for the way that the jokes are
written in the original show, like having having just watched
all I just rewatched like over the last few months,
all the TV show, all the previous movies, and it's

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like the way that the jokes are written, the types
of jokes. This movie even references stuff from the TV series,
which was a running gag in the TV series.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
As far as like when the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
End credits they would laugh at the end credits and
it would be like a freeze frame. But there they
were just like freezing, like they were just standing still
as the credits were playing over them, and it's like
that would be kind of like the joke. They didn't
actually do that in the Naked Gun movies, but they
do it in this. So it's like this movie references
stuff that even in the other Naked Gun movies didn't reference.

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And his back, yeah, all those kind of things, Like like,
I really I really appreciate the commitment to the bit
they it is a modernization, Like it does look like
a darker type of movie, but I think it it
fits more with the type of action star, the type

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of movie star.

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Liam Neeson is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:22):
Yeah, because Liam Neeson's known now, he wasn't twenty years ago,
but now he's known as like this this hard hitting
action style. Yeah, and that's what this kind of that's
what this movie is really like a like fitting that
but into the it's like that mold.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
It should have had him chasing a missing daughter this
I know, it's like that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
I'm surprised that they didn't have that because instead he's
he becomes the Frank Trevin character and yeah, it just
it just really works.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Because let's not forget and family guy. They had Kermit
the Frog playing his character from Taken, So making the
phone call to somebody's.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
It's like all all, like it really is a like yeah,
I can't stress just how much how much of a
it does.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
It does the job right.

Speaker 5 (01:17:07):
This is probably like the closest to a fourth movie
that we ever could possibly have gotten. The only problem
that I had with it, and it really bugged it
really bugged me, was it didn't open with the siren,
the police siren, like the camera on top of the
police car, like as it's driving through, like yeah, going

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down the trench run from Star Wars or whatever, like
it didn't it had that in the end credits, like
there's a reference to that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
But like that one thing really.

Speaker 17 (01:17:39):
Bugged me because it's so close.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
Otherwise, other than that, it is so close, And to
be honest, that opening was something that I was kind
of I had been waiting months to see how they
would modernize that opening, and then for them to not
do it at all, it really kind of bugged me.
So what are you going to give Naked Gun out
of five?

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
David? Look, people are gonna absolutely laugh that I'm doing this,
but I'm giving it four and a half out of five.
I really really love this, and we probably didn't talk
very much about about Pamela Anderson, but she goes with
this film as well. Yeah, from being chased by Snowman
to stuff like that, Like you could almost have done this,

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She could almost have parodied her character from barb Wire
in this, but instead they make her more of a
femme fatale kind of character and it works really, really well.
So look, I'm going to give this four and a
half out of five. I'm right there with you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
I'm giving it four and a half out of five
as well. Like I don't, I'm kind of disappointed the
other critics that we're talking that I've talked to afterwards,
I don't think that they actually get it, Like I don't.
Like I know that the original movies weren't a high
class either, but I think that there's a lot of
people that would say that this movie, oh, it doesn't
live up to the others, But it's like it really does,

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Like it is so accurate to type of comedy that
the other movies had. There were there were gags in
the other movies that didn't land also this movie. Actually
it even uses some of the exact same jokes, like
the whole like they offer a cigarette and they say
a cigarette, yes it is. It was like those kind
of gags like this movie uses them, whereas like, yeah,

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it's it's not a it's not about stetization. It's not
something like like Baywatch, which just completely misses the point.
It fully understands the point and goes with it. And
it's such a good movie because of that. So yeah,
it's a four four and a half out of five
for me, So four and a half out of five
from both David and myself. So yeah, I don't think

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we could the only thing that gave that could have
gotten an extra half of stars if it actually had
that that siren at the beginning, Like for me, that's
that's really the only thing, just that little bug. But
but yeah, I guess we can't recommend it enough. And yeah,
check it out, check your local listings. It should be
coming out ATTY soon. Yeah, we did see a bit

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of an advanced screening, but yeah, definitely it's definitely a
movie to keep an eye out for and you will
have a great time watching this movie.

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Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the show. I'm your host, Kyle,
and I'm joined. Well, we've got kind of a round
table discussion for this movie. I'm joined by David and Holly. Hey.

Speaker 5 (01:22:57):
Hello, oh, and well we're going to be talking about
The Toxic Avenger, the remake of the eighties Troma classic
and well, this one stars Peter Dinklege as Winston Goose
who's a meek janitor and well, after developing cancer from

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working with this evil chemicals company, he eventually tumbles into
a that of chemicals and becomes a.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Monster of superhuman size and strength.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
Well that was the original movie. This one, he's not
not quite superhuman size, but still superhuman strength. Well, his
evil boss, Bob Garbinger played by Kevin Bacon, wants to
get rid of him, so he gets his security expert
who was played by Elijah Wood.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I can't quite remember the.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
Character, Fritz, Bob's carrier. Yeah, Bob's evil brother Fritz. So
Fritz gets a team of a psychopathic musical band that
he is. They're basically an evil musical group to to

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hunt after Toxy, and part of that will be them
chasing down Uh Toxy's son Wade played by Jacob Trembley.
There's also the whistle blower JJ Doherty played by Taylor Page,
who wants to bring down this chemical company and bring

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safe the prosperity back to the world. Well, it's kind
of a bit of a silly movie, bit of ultra
violence and what's it's Well, it's basically exactly what you
would kind of expect from a toxic Evenger movie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:59):
So boy, starting with you, David, what did you think
of the movie? Look, I thought this was interesting, like
it's going back. I watched the original only a couple
of weeks ago getting ready for this, and it's interesting
this time around because obviously the cinematic landscape has changed
a little bit, and it's obvious that with this new

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one that we saw the unrated version, So it might
be talking about some stuff that if you go and
see it in the cinema, that you don't get to see.
But basically it feels like they're trying to capitalize in
on the Deadpool market, where, of course, for people that
don't know, Deadpool as a franchise on his own has

(01:25:42):
basically had more people going and seeing it, making more
at the box office than some of the more serious
Marvel movies have. So I think a lot of companies
out there have started to think, you know what, if
you can kind of do a bit of a silly,
over the top, gory comic book movie, it might attract
people to come and see it. But of course there's

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some stuff in the original movie that just wouldn't wash
with the classification board these days, so they've had to
tone it down a little bit. But I liked this one.
I like what they do with Peter Dinklich's character. But
to me, there's a glaring fault with this movie. It
doesn't show enough what this city and this town was

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like prior to the arrival of Kevin Bacon and his company.
There's lots of little things at the bottom where it
says like the wasteland was formerly like I think a
fun park or something at one point. But it's like
I kind of wanted to see what life was like
before this town arrived. I mean, was it like Detroit

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where it was a bustling city and now it's like
a little bit of a wasteland or it's like Detroit, Yeah,
because otherwise this city, you don't really have that kind
of feel for what it was like previously. Even if
they just did one flashback of like Winston when he
was a kid and kids playing baseball in fields and

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stuff like that. It just it kind of just went
straight into this dire city where Kevin Bacon's company is
causing everybody to get cancer and stuff like that, which
I think is a great go at big farmer, Like,
I think that's a great moral to have in it.
But I just wished that they had had something to
show what life was like prior.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Yeah, it really is centered around that, the big ecological
kind of downfall. Plus you know, people getting sick because
of this company, even though you'd have to think it's
more than just this company, because it almost doesn't line up.
It's like, why is there so much toxic waste from
this guy who does health products? Yeah, why is there

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so much.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Company?

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
That's like, yeah, really it seems like excessive And we
get to see bad bits, but we also you know,
there's the next door a but Daisy, they plan at badland,
and I think that little subplot is a whole kind
of Look, there are good people, but now it's overrun.
So it's yeah, it's a sort of kind of hints

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like you don't need to know more.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
I kept on thinking when I was watching it of
like the a lot of the Batman movies where they
talk about like the now Gotham city is overrun by criminals,
but they do show you what it was like prior
to that, and it's the same. I guess with this.
It's like they talk about how many nutcases there are
running around now in this in this city, like the

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vigilantes and stuff like that. Hey, it could be Melbourne,
but you kind of wonder, well, did these drugs that
Kevin Bacon's company is making did they alter people's brains
as well? Like you've got people getting tumors and you've
got I think JJ says he mum got like a
stomach cancer from it. It's like, did it also change

(01:28:59):
their way of thinking? Is that why they've suddenly got
all this like this radical radical people running around town.
I think to its credit, it didn't take a side
with politics. It didn't say, oh, the left is right
or the right is right. It just basically said, look,
there's crazies in this town now and they're destroying it.

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I think that part of the movie works really well.
But I think the awkward part for this film is
going to be what audience is it going to attract.
I kind of think that people that love the original
are going to find that, Yeah, this is toned down
a little bit. But at the same time, I don't
know if this film's got enough going for it that

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it's going to attract a new audience. Like here in Australia.
I didn't even see a trailer for it until I
think last weekend when I went to see a movie
and that trailer was in front of an R rated
horror movie. So the dead audience is largely people our age, yes,

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but also teenagers, like teenagers love Deadpool. If teenagers out
there don't know that the toxic Avenger is coming out
and get to see what it looks like, they probably
don't have the original, it's going to have them interested
in it. So I just wonder whether or not there's
kind of an awkward sitting for this for what audience
it's going to attract like nowadays? Yeah, well how about yourself, Alou,

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what did you think of it? Yeah? I actually know
the animated show a little bit as well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
Yeah, I grew up with the movies and then the
animated series had a couple of the toys. You know,
I love Toxy.

Speaker 17 (01:30:40):
Yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Has a good feel akin to the original, but it
it seems to be very conscious that it can't do
it the way it used to be done. Yeah, it
just they could just do any old stuff and get
away with it in the in the Trauma movies. But
I like that they do give like hints and little

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nods to things from the past. You know, he ends
up in his two too and everything that's you know,
that the classic the classic toxic character, which you know,
I'd kind of forgotten about until he's dancing around in
the then walks out on the street and I'm like, oh, okay,
he's on the way. But it was such a different

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sort of origin compared to the original, and I like that.
I like that I wasn't trying to retread the original
steps because it was just not going to be the same.
It couldn't do it. But it was really enjoyable. I
think I like the idea of having kind of the
big farmer villain because it's a big villain and it's

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you know, not just you know, the bullies from school.
Like it made sense when it was that kind of
teenage audience, but now you're right, it's probably not going
to be the same audience. I mean, we did see
the underrated version and you can kind of tell where
some scenes were padded with extra gore, but it almost

(01:32:09):
felt like it was trying to It's just like, we
know we're not going to have this in for a
standard release. So yeah, I thought the characters were good.
It was a little tougher at the start. I think
it was trying too hard to look like it was
a B movie, ye, doing jokes and things to make

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it look awkward, as if, yeah, you know, this isn't
like a professional origin.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
That original voice over that Peter Dinklich's character does that
doesn't match with his character later on, Yeah, like he's
not Ryan Reynolds playing Deadpool. Like it really got the
feel and that part that it was like, hey, we'll
do it the way that Deadpool would do a voiceover,
but then it doesn't work for Winston's character later on
because he's more serious.

Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
Yeah, so I agree with Yeah, it really did feel
like this one was really going for like the Deadpool
kind of comedy with a lot of like the run
on scenes where there's no joke to him and that's
supposed to be the joke, and it's like, yeah, that's very.

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Much like a modern like Marvel kind of writing thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
It can be a bit like that, but I mean,
I think I preferred this to like all of the
latest MIVI scene. I know it's it's it's actually a
really entertaining film. My only issue was like, yeah, it
takes maybe half an hour or so to get into
its vibe properly because they're trying to do things like, Okay,

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we'll set up the humor and we'll set up it
being like awkward and like B movie ish but not really,
and then we'll start to add lots of you know,
background comments from the crowd you don't see on screen,
but it's just like little funny lines being thrown in,
which like sometimes they're really good, but there's a little

(01:34:04):
bit at the start where it's just, okay, we're throwing
too many in, just like Thaw, Love and Thunder. It
was just like let it go, you don't have to laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:34:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was weird like that, Like the
comedy was kind of weird. Pace. There was times like
when he's in the doctor's office where it felt like
naked gun where it's like, oh, we'll just load this
up with jokes. And then there'll be a whole nother
episode another scene where there's no jokes at all.

Speaker 5 (01:34:26):
Like it was like that was kind of the weird thing.
Like I did think it was kind of a bit
of a weird mix between them being as silly and
using a Netflix advertising thing irreverent as the original one,
where like it's okay to go over the top and
go crazy because none of it like it, just have

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fun with it, not really not really care about the
seriousness of it. And then you've got JJ talking about
her mother's cancer and it's like, wait, what kind of
movie do you think that you're making here? Yeah, you're
making a movie with like the like the chemical plant villain.
Like that felt like doctor kellm Off from the animated

(01:35:10):
series The Bad.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Guy from that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:12):
Yeah, there was all chemicals and all that stuff in
the original movie, but it's like the whole the villain
being it kind of like this this bastardized captain planet
kind of thing like that that was what they were
the animated series was, and so I think there was
a bit of inspiration from that, but it was very
noticeable whenever they tried to do anything. I was kind

(01:35:38):
of disappointed. More in the movie whenever they really tried
to not just reference that. The references to the original
ones are fine, like the names and stuff like that,
that that's fine, But like when they tried to copy
things from the original and they just did it like
not as ballsy, like it was like yeah all the
way through it. It was just very pussified, like just

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the like, yeah, this is this ultra gore aspect to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
It, but only the bad guys. There's like we can't
have Like.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
The original one was like a very anti like Hollywood
mainstream movie. This one is very much a trying to
be a Hollywood mainstream movie. Like you take.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
It's kind of seemed like there's a Diana scene where
the big heat he first kind of unleashes his power
like in the original. Yeah, and that feels like the
scene where they've added all the extra kind of violence
and gore just because and I reckon they're just going
to cut most of that out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
For That's why I said earlier. I think it's part
of what the cinema landscape is like these days because
with B grade movies like I'll use Melbourne as an
example for those people that live in Melbourne. If you
have a B grade horror movie cameo and all of
them won't touch it. Palace won't touch it. No might

(01:37:00):
touch it and have it as a Friday night freak
out kind of screening, but you'll have and Hoints will
probably do it as well on a Friday and a
Saturday night, like I see this with a lot of
Monster releases, like Monster Picture releases, Hoots will do a
Friday and Saturday night like they just did it with

(01:37:20):
the Bambi horror movie. And Village is touch and go.
Some villagers will have it and some won't. I think
they've tried to make it this way because that way
more cinemas will grab it, like with this being more
Deadpool like Village and Hoots will run it all day,
like right across the entire day. You may even get

(01:37:42):
Lido or somebody grabbing it to have daytime sessions as well.
And you might even have Nova just do nighttime sessions
rather than Friday night freak out. Yeah, and I think
these days that's part of it. Like back in the eighties,
it didn't really matter if a film didn't make money
in the cinema because people would buy it on VHS

(01:38:03):
and it would become a cult classic that way these days.
And I know here in Australia this is coming out
through Umbrella, so it'll probably end up on Brolly, so
that's a little bit easier. But you've also got to
try and get streaming platforms to want your product as well,
and unless you want to be restricted to Shutter or
somewhere like that, you've got to try and make a

(01:38:23):
movie that's going to win over cinematic audiences. It's an
and I don't agree with it. I think it's a
bad time for filmmaking because of that business model, but
that's where we're at at the moment with cinema.

Speaker 5 (01:38:36):
So yeah, it's very like the original one was very
much like a grindhouse kind of thing, and that felt
like what they were going for with this with it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
Both of you guys seen Herbert with a shotgun. Yeah,
it felt very much like that.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
But that was one that Yeah, that one had all
the balls of those old kind of like gretty grindhouse
movies where it's like, yeah, innocent people being blown away,
and like, yeah, the original Toxic Avenger it's like there's
a little kid like it's it's over the top, like
on paper it's like, oh my god, this is so offensive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
But because it's so over the top, that's kind of
the joke.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
Yeah, you've got this little kid.

Speaker 5 (01:39:15):
Being run down by bully on his while riding his bike.
He's run over in his car and then they back
up and grow over his head and pop his skull.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
And yeah, the guys that the guys that are go
in and rob the.

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
Like shooting up the diner, which they basically copy in this,
but everything about it is just spacified. It's like, you've
got the blind chick and where's In the original one,
she's almost assaulted, her dog is shut and it's like
so over the top, so crazy, But in this one
it's like, no, we're going to be It's like no,

(01:39:55):
she's she's going to be talking back and giving sass
to the to the people threatening over with a gun,
and there's no Like, it just doesn't have any of
the edge or any of the over the top craziness
that the I mean, it has hits of it, but
it doesn't have the same.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
It tries for it, but it it kind of feels
like it doesn't want to be like the classic Trumpet
films but kind of does so people who because they
kind of again no Cel debating with like, Okay, people
who know we're going to expect this, so we have
the option to chuck that in there. So and it's

(01:40:32):
it is fun when it goes over the top and
the characters are played over the top. Kevin Bacon, it's
just always over the top. Now I think that you know,
it's it's fun like that. It's like, don't take it
too seriously, but they're aware that there are people out
there who take everything too seriously, and so they're kind
of hedging their bets a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Yeah, Like even having Kevin Bacon and it reminds like
his character in the type of movie that it is
really reminds you of his character from Super like being
kind of them and that one like that being directed
by like written a directed by James Gunn. James Gunn
got his start working on old Troma movies and Super

(01:41:13):
is very much like kind of a more like Super
is what this should have kind of been aiming to be,
like where it still had like all that age. It's
still had like kind of like way over the shop,
like like like there's characters that are really important in
the movie and then they get their heads blown off,
like in this shocking, shocking scenes. This movie hasn't got

(01:41:36):
anything like that. You know that Wade is never in danger,
you know that nothing's going to happen to JJ.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
But I think you get the ideas, like we would
like to make this an ongoing superhero Yeah to Marvel, Yeah,
to Travel, all the Marvel and DC things that are
coming out, and it's like, if we want to do that,
I don't think we can get away with doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
The old way, we could put hints in and do
un rated versions.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
And that comes back to needing to attract an audience,
Like if they want to do a number two or
a number three and make it a franchise, they need
to have the receipts like from the first film to
be able to prove that that's something that's viable.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
They need to market it too that they get the audience. Yeah,
so you're right, it doesn't seem like it knows what
the audience is because I hadn't heard about it until
right before I book the ticket, because you guys told me,
and I'm like what, But.

Speaker 1 (01:42:27):
I think that's why they're trying to do it this way,
so that they can get into like the Village and
the Houtz's all week so that people like, look at
the look at the what's on this week? Oh, the
Toxic Avengers on, I'll go give that a try. Whereas
if it's like the Bamboo film, like I've been along
and seen those horrors because I've got a mate who
likes to go along and see them when they come

(01:42:49):
out and we go and see it at Chadstone, which
for overseas and interstate listeners is one of the biggest
cinemas here in Melbourne. We go and see it at
like a nine o'clock session on a Friday night at Chadstone,
and the cinema is nearly empty. It's like people just
don't go out for those movies. Like you need to
be in primetime. I know it's a bad analogy, it's

(01:43:12):
a TV analogy, but you need your film in cinemas
in primetime so that you get the fifteen and sixteen
year old kids that think it's cool to go and
see a movie that they probably shouldn't be watching. They
get to go and see it and they can see it,
whereas they can't really do that if you're pushed to
that nine o'clock Saturday night for that mass appeal kind

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of thing needs that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
You didn't everyone see dead Pool and that was rated. Yeah,
real restriction, but.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
Again that got that was in cinemas during the day,
whereas these other ones like the Neverland Horror and stuff
that came out are restricted to that nine o'clock Friday
and Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (01:43:55):
Different and I don't think this feels like horror, whereas
if it was more like the original Trauma films, it
would feel more like it was a bit of a
horror film. Yeah, it was so out there and over
the top of what they did, So I feel like
this is kind of saying we're honoring that, but we're
not going to go to that extreme because we want

(01:44:18):
an audience for this.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
Because it's also coming into cinemas here at a weird
time too. It's going to be Superman is still going
really strongly at the Australian box office, and so is
Fantastic Four, So it's going to be coming up against
those films as well, which.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
Is they all wear blue and it's like, hey, this
guy's green, let's let's we.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Have them full greenbow.

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
Like I know, it's one that's been kind of in
the works for a long time, that they've been going
to be doing this, this remake for.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
A long long time.

Speaker 5 (01:44:47):
I guess I'm happy that it's at least one that
making Blair the writer director at least found a way
to kind of be at least somewhat respectful to the
original director, because that when I actually saw him, well,
I think we all did. Saw him at a comic
con a while ago, and he was one of the

(01:45:08):
first celebrity directors or whatever that I saw in person,
And yeah, I asked him about it, and like at
the time, like it was like he was being kept
away from it, like that's who was saying, Like he
almost had like no input on it. It was like
they were keeping it away from him. But as it
is now, like he has a cameo in it, there's
references to Troma and all that stuff. So I kind

(01:45:31):
of like that it's a bit more it is a
bit more respectful to the original. But as a remake,
I kind of wish that it had done completely.

Speaker 1 (01:45:39):
Its own thing, And I guess it's just in going
for like that mainstream audience.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
It does feel like it's it's made by people who
almost would as you say, would see the look at
the originals and say, oh, that's that's too offensive, that's
too hot, that's too that's too.

Speaker 1 (01:45:57):
Over the top.

Speaker 5 (01:45:58):
Now, but.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Well, what are you what would you give it out
of five David? And why look, I'm going to give
it three and a half. After what I said before,
I did actually really enjoy it, and I love some
of the performances in this. I love that Kevin Bacon
feels like he's kind of been given that Nicholas Cage
license over the top. I thought Elijah I really liked
the character of Fritz, the Elijah Wood character. He's obviously

(01:46:24):
channeling Danny DeVito's Penguin, but he does a really really
good job. And for me, he was actually one of
the characters that I liked the most in this, Like
I was kind of wondering whether they're going to bring
him back in the other films as a as an ally,
it's a it's a toxy. But even Peter dinkliche I
think Peter Dinklich does a good job with this because

(01:46:45):
it's it's like I love him as an actor. I
think he does this amazing. He does these amazing performances,
but he seems to be able to break out of
that the cliche kind of dwarf roles. Like I don't
know if that's the politically correct way to put it
these days, but it would be so easy for him

(01:47:05):
to be typecast. But we saw him as a villain
in the Marvel Universe. We saw him play like one
of the probably most memorable television characters of the last
decade as well in Game of Thrones. It's like, I
love that as an actor, he's given an opportunity to
act outside that, like even this, It's like you could

(01:47:28):
imagine that when they were sat down to talk about okay,
so who's going to play Toxi in this? You could
imagine that they would have mentioned some big name actors
and for them to go, you know what, let's give
it to Peter Dinklie and see what he can do
with it. I think that says a lot about where
he's held in regard in Hollywood, and I think that's
actually a really good thing that people kind of overlook

(01:47:50):
the obvious cliches they could do for him and give
him roles that are completely that. Lets let's be honest,
twenty years ago, he wouldn't have been offered that role,
Like it's I think that's great.

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
Actually, I think yeah, I think he even may have
had something to it producing it. I think so his
his production company might have kind of gotten it off
the ground. Like he isn't like he's toxic. He's doing
the voice of Toxic. There's a body double when it
when he comes into the but but yeah, it's it's
still good to see. Like I didn't have a problem

(01:48:22):
with him in Toxic. I kind of would have liked
it if it kind of went in the other way.
Like in the original he's like a weedy little nerd
and then when he becomes Toxic.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
He's this giant, superhuman guy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Which is what I thought was kind of gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
And then he's still had he actually like being a
big giant like big guy, and then I know, something
like that. And then when he got mutated, it turned
into this you know, four foot powerhouse but voice but
with Peter Dinklinch's voice.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Like, I know, I would have liked to see that,
But I still like Peter Denklinche in it. But what
did you think? Out of five?

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yeah, look, I really enjoyed it. Yeah, Like I said,
it has a sort of difficulty, kind of finding its
feet a little bit, but it knows it wants to
do something, and it was absolutely entertaining. So don't shy
away from the film if you want to see it.
If you're just curious, if you want you don't know

(01:49:20):
what to see, and there's a weird option on the table,
go for the weird option. I say, you see the movie.
It's at least yeah, three and a half stars for me,
just for the fact that it kind of needs to
settle on its voice and just stick with it and
go all in.

Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
I'm going to give it three out of five. As
I say, it was a little disappointing. I still I
had fun with it. I enjoyed watching the movie, and
I like that it in a way like it's going
to get the toxic Evanger and Troma and a team
at Brand out there to maybe another generation because there

(01:50:03):
haven't there hasn't really been a lot of yeah, yeah,
there hasn't really been a lot of stuff from Trauma lately,
like not since the early two thousands, with like James
Gunn's earliest stuff like Tromeo and Juliet.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But like other than that, like yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (01:50:22):
Yeah, I still think like it could have been, could
have been a bit more edge, could have maybe done
it's its own thing.

Speaker 17 (01:50:28):
But yeah, I liked some of the characters.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
I liked Elijah Wood's character.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
I kind of wish I almost kind of wish that
he was the main villain in the movie over Kevin Bacon,
because I think, like not that Kevin Bacon was bad,
but I think that Elijah Wood in the.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Movie was almost like he's under used. They could have That's.

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
Why I wonder if they're going to bring him back
later on.

Speaker 19 (01:50:47):
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Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
I try not to go into spoiler territory, but it
would be very easy to do.

Speaker 5 (01:50:51):
So yeah, yeah, but yeah, So it's three and a
half from David and Harley through from me. Yeah, the
movie is actually getting a quite a surprisingly wide release
in Australia, thanks, I guess to Umbrella Entertainment and uh yeah,
so you'll be able to go to most mainstream cinemas

(01:51:12):
and her Village is playing it and uh yeah, and
check it out, so please do and see what you think.

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Another one of the movies to screen at this year's
Melbourne International Film Festival is Zach Hilditch's brilliant new film
called We Bury the Dead Now. Zach Hilditch of course
is a director. I've been wondering what he was going
to do next because I loved his movie These Final
Hours that came out in twenty thirteen, And to be honest,

(01:55:38):
I actually thought he was going to be a director
after that that was going to end up in Hollywood
because that movie kind of came out as a as
an apocalypse movie before the resurgent of apocalypse projects in Hollywood. Well,
this time around, he has made another, I guess you
could say post apocalyptic kind of movie. We Bury the

(01:56:00):
Dead here. While doing some experiments, the US sailors accidentally
deploy a pulse bomb, which is pretty much destroyed all
of life on the Australian island state of Tasmania. Ava
played by Daisy Ridley, who volunteers to be one of

(01:56:21):
the body recovery team members, but she's got a hidden agenda.
Her husband was actually in Tasmania at a retreat at
the time, and she believes that he is one of
the ones that was possibly killed, considering that they're saying
everybody was killed. But as Ava arrives in Tasmania, she
learns during a briefing that things aren't as peaceful as

(01:56:45):
the main land are being told in that some of
the dead are reincarnating and coming back or reanimating i
should say, and coming back. Now Ava's faced with the
possibility could her husband be one of the ones that
are coming back? And of course, the other question being
asked is what exactly are the ones coming back going
to be like? Because they've been told that they're pretty

(01:57:07):
placid and if a body recovery team finds one of them,
to simply raise a flare and the army will come
and get rid of them. During her initial searches, Ava's
partner drops out, unable to deal with the rising tally
of bodies that they keep on finding, and she finds

(01:57:27):
herself teamed up with the rough and ready Clay played
by Brenton Thwaite, who doesn't seem to be all that
disturbed by the bodies around him. But soon they find
themselves on a different journey as an opportunity arrives for
them to break free from the army and head down
south to try and find her husband. When that's when

(01:57:49):
the journey really begins. Kyle, what did you think of
we Bury the Dead?

Speaker 17 (01:57:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:57:57):
I hadn't actually watched these finals myself. I knew I
knew about it, but I was kind of excited for this,
being that like it's an Aussie made like a post
apocalypse film, and of course with like movies like Mad
Max Mad Max too, that that's pretty much what put
like ouzsie films on the map, and then knowing of

(01:58:19):
course that Hilditch had already kind of worked in in
that genre with these Final Hours.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
So I was excited for it.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
But I admit that I'm a little zombie out and
I have been for a few years. I think that
it really does take something kind of really interesting to
kind of reinvent the genre or to give you something,
give you a zombie movie the likes of which you
haven't seen before. And I do think that that We
Bury the Dead actually does that because it's an interesting

(01:58:52):
story and it's not really a zombie movie, and it's
also not really a post apocalyptic because it's just tas
Mania that's been wiped off the map.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Yeah, it's like a disaster film really.

Speaker 5 (01:59:06):
Yeah, like more like that, it's just tas Madia that's affected,
not the entire the rest of the world. Like there's
the protests and all this stuff that's going on because
of half a million people have been killed, so obviously
it's a big deal, but the rest of the world's.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Going on like normal.

Speaker 5 (01:59:27):
And it's not exactly a zombie film either, And I
don't mean that in the same way that when people
say it about The Walking Dead or any of its
like twenty different spin offs. No, it's not really a
zombie film because there aren't really a lot of zombie
there'sn't really a lot of focus on the zombies in it.
It really is kind of about the character that Daisy

(01:59:49):
of Ava, which Daisy Ridley plays, and about her own
her own issues with her her husband, and this whole
idea of like trying to the characters like trying to
hold onto something basically, to try to hold onto their

(02:00:11):
unfinished business. And that's what they think that that's what
some people think that the some of the bodies that
are coming back are they're coming back to life because
they've they've got unfinished business.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
But like, do they or is it just random?

Speaker 5 (02:00:23):
And like is there any way to like some is
there actually a way to say goodbye to people after
this or is it just basically sometimes crap happens and
there's you've just got to deal with it. And that's
kind of what the movie's about. On top of that,

(02:00:44):
I think that the actual depiction of the zombies is
pretty cool as well, because again, you've seen so many zombies,
it's so old hat now. But just the fact that
these zombies, like the way they grit their teeth to
the point that they're like rubble, I don't think I've.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
Seen that before and anything else. And that was like
actually kind of like a disturbing, like just a very
subtle and that almost also adds to like the like
people are saying, Oh, they're coming back for unfinished business,
like the anxiety of it, like yeah, people rub their
teeth like when they're anxious kind of thing.

Speaker 5 (02:01:13):
So yeah, it's like, yeah, it was kind of it
adds some interesting elements to it. They really made it
made it kind of stand out as a unique, a
unique take on the on the sub.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Genre of zombie film. What did you think of it, David, Yeah, Look,
I was kind of excited to go and see this
because there was a film that came out in twenty
fourteen called Plague, which was directed by Ossie nick Kozarkis,
and to me, that is the best zombie film I've
ever watched because that was kind of right, kind of

(02:01:47):
at the start of the whole walking Dead kind of thing.
But Nick Kozarkis made Plague very different to what we
were seeing out of America because he made that a
movie about the characters. There are ages. You don't even
see a zombie for ages. It's just these people are
living on this farm and all the things that you
would expect start coming in like this, this jock kind

(02:02:09):
of guy feels that he should be the one that's
in the relationship with this girl because her husband is
a geek and a nerd and he doesn't deserve to
have a woman like this at this time, and a
family where they're kind of blaming the dad for being
in the predicament that they're in kind of thing, and
all that human emotion like that happens for like the

(02:02:31):
first hour of the film before you see anything else.
And I think Australia does that very very well. Even
with some of the horror films over the last few years,
like Red Billabong and things like that, I think we
do the human side of horror and the human side
of these kinds of films very well. Like These Final Hours,

(02:02:52):
the last movie from Zach Hilditch, or I should say
the film before that that was a film about the
world is about to end and his dad just wants
to get to his daughter, and he doesn't care if
he's got to push old ladies out of the way
or whatever to get there. He just wants to be
with his daughter and have that final goodbye. And it's
like you look at an American movie like Independence Day,

(02:03:15):
and it's very much like, yeah, we're going to win this,
We're going to do this because we're an American. This
was just a simple nut. I'm a dad and I
want to be with my daughter when the world ends.
So I was kind of expecting that, like what we
had with Plague, with him doing this film, because I
knew that he knew how to write characters, and I
knew that he's one of those people where he'll put

(02:03:35):
a character in a weird environment, but he'll focus on
the character rather than the environment around them. And I
think he once again does that with this film, where yeah,
this is a terrible event that's happened, but the focus
mainly on is on Eva, like and we learn more

(02:03:58):
and more about why she wants wants to kind of
have that final goodbye. It's weird when you think about it,
because it's very similar into these final hours, this event's happened,
and she wants to say goodbye to her partner in
the proper way. And then you've also got the character
of Clay who wants to be with his daughter. Like

(02:04:18):
it's like everything's coming into play there. But I just
love the way that the characters are written like, and
we also have one of the people that they come
across on their journey is Riley played by Mark Cole Smith,
and again you're not one hundred percent sure about him,
and once again you learn that there's a reason why

(02:04:40):
he's the character that he is, Like the environment has
kind of made him this character. So yeah, I guess
I like that about Zach Hilditch's screenplay here that he
explores what the environment has done to characters, but he
also explores why some characters are in that environment as well.

Speaker 5 (02:05:00):
Yeah, I did think that that Days of Italy. It
was really like a good role for her.

Speaker 17 (02:05:07):
I know she's played.

Speaker 5 (02:05:10):
Another kind of similar character in a way in another
film that she'd been called Sometimes I Think About Dying,
which was about about a woman who's basically just like
a very introverted character, and her ava in this is

(02:05:30):
very quiet, very very withdrawn from people, and it's almost like, yeah,
that there is something wrong with her in the fact
that she's okay that she can she's got no problem
moving bodies of an entire family out of a house,
while the other women that she's working with are like
throwing up and need to need to get out of there,

(02:05:51):
you know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:53):
As well.

Speaker 5 (02:05:55):
That's what kind of it's like, yeah that there's almost
like that there's something kind of wrong with the two
of them that makes it okay. That is why that
they're okay with doing the cleanup job of what they're doing.
So it's a very very interesting film that way. As
far as characters. I also I did think that the

(02:06:15):
I mean, obviously he didn't have they didn't have the
budget of a massive American apocalyptic film, but on a
small scale, it really does look really good. Because he
Hilditch has worked with so many he's worked with CGI
and special effects before, he's been able to create this

(02:06:35):
really believable world where even like, yeah, as quiet as
the Tasmanian like rural streets are, they're even more quiet
when literally everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
On the Island is dead, and I love the thought
that went into that as well. Like you see so
many of these movies where a disaster happens and they'll
have other couple hugging them solves in bed. But because
this happened with no warning, there's some great moments here
that hid It has. Like one of the first homes
they go to, the kids and the mum were out
in the yard playing under the sprinkler. Like you can
tell it was a hot summer's day and they're playing

(02:07:14):
under the sprinkler. There's a there's another one in here
as well, which I thought was really creative where it
was like a bunch of guys at a Bucks party.
So you've got like zombie strippers and like the guys
themselves like just sitting around where they were watching the
stripper on a pole kind of thing. And it's like,
I love those little things that he's brought into this

(02:07:35):
because Yeah, quite often you just you see those cliches
of oh they all got in the car and they
were trying to outrun it, or they were they went
and laid in the bed and just gave up. But
it was like it was funny seeing those things that
as Aussie blokes we all like have known and experienced
in our lives. So yeah, I found that really interesting
as well. Yeah, just the way that he's presented this world.

Speaker 17 (02:07:57):
I do wish.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
Because a lot of the movie is to build up to.

Speaker 5 (02:08:03):
Eva her reunion with her husband, and like whether he'll
it's pretty much pretty much guarantee that it will be
did because everybody else on the island is dead, and
it's just like what what will happen, whether she'll find
any kind of peace from the reunion or whatever. And
I kind of wish that we had known a bit

(02:08:25):
more about her. We know, like bit by bit by bit,
every every sty off and you get another flashback, you know,
a little bit more about her relationship. I kind of
wish that we'd been given the full picture before the reunion. Yes,
I think it would have meant more to understand where
that where she was coming from, rather than it's pretty
much after that that she's talking to Clay and then

(02:08:47):
you kind of get the full understanding of a character.
It just makes her character a little bit harder to
penetrate and to understand.

Speaker 1 (02:08:55):
Yeah, yeah, it's like I said before as well, with
the with the character played by Mark Cole Smith Riley.
You kind of have a lot of questions about him
as well, like because there for a while I was like,
well is he really a soldier like or and then
you kind of like think to yourself, well, well he
couldn't have been there when it happened, And then I

(02:09:16):
suddenly even start to think what if he was one
of the ones responsible for it, Like what if he was, like,
because that's not really explained whether the guys on the
US boat died as well, they don't.

Speaker 5 (02:09:28):
It's kind of a thing like, yeah, it's this thing
has happened and there's very little understanding.

Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
Which I think also is another bit that I like
is that you don't have the full on, well the
Australian Prime Minister wants to declare war on America or
anything like that. It's just you see little news grabs.
But for Ava, she's only focused on her husband, so
she doesn't really sit down to watch the news about
what's happening, what a current affair is saying about these

(02:09:54):
events and stuff like that. So I kind of like
that as well, that it's like just that enough enough
bit of information of what's happening so that the audience knows,
but without the characters getting all political. And I'm certainly
glad that they didn't go down the hole or with
this American president, what do you expect kind of thing,

(02:10:15):
because it could have easily turned very political, but it didn't.

Speaker 5 (02:10:19):
So I am I was kind of surprised that they
didn't go down that that that round. I'm glad that
they didn't because it gives it more of a yeah, timeless.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
Because it's a character story as well, like I think,
and I think that's what zach Hildicz does really well,
is like I said before, he writes his characters well
into this environment and he also writes about how the
environment changes that character as well. So so yeah, all right,
so what are you going to give we Bury the
Dead out of five and why I'm going to give
this four out of five.

Speaker 5 (02:10:49):
I really enjoyed it. There was I thought that Daisier
Ridley was really really good in it, and just as
a as a nearly postucalyptic kind of zombie kind of
zombie film, I thought it was a really interesting another
genre flick. I just wish there was a little bit
more of the character of Eva considering it as a

(02:11:12):
character piece, just I just would have liked to have
gotten a full grasp of her character just a little
bit earlier than I did.

Speaker 1 (02:11:21):
Yeah, I'm going to give it four out of five
as well. I've got to say I think the casting
is really good here. I think both Brenton Thwaites and
Daisy Ridley do great jobs. But also they're enough to
be able to give this Australian film an international audience,
like people will be curious and okay, what's the woman
from Star Wars doing next? But also Brenton Thwaits, of
course is in the DC universe, so you've got Yeah,

(02:11:44):
it's pretty smart with what they've actually done there. So
apocalypse movie. Yeah, yeah, So I'm giving it four out
of five. Kyle's giving it four out of five as well,
So check when We Bury the Dead opens in cinemas.
It's currently screening at myth but it'll be US cinemas
at some time in the future, so check and don't

(02:12:05):
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Speaker 5 (02:20:19):
Chump, Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the show. I'm your host, Kyle.

(02:20:44):
And the movie that we're going to be looking at
now is The Exit eight. And if that sounds familiar
to any gamers out there, it is because it is
the film adaptation of the twenty twenty three video game
The Exit eight, created by Kotak Create, and the game

(02:21:10):
was a looping anomaly detector game about a character trapped
in a non ending subway subway passageway underground passageway. Now,
in the game, you had to keep walking through the passageway,

(02:21:31):
take note of posters doors, this wandering man that is
wandering towards you every time that you go through this passageway.
And the only way to proceed in the video game
was to turn around if anything is out of the ordinary,

(02:21:55):
and keep going if it is not. If everything's normal,
keep going. You'll be on platform two. Keep going, you'll
be on platform three. Keep doing this until you get
through to platform eight and you can complete the game. Now,
how do you turn this story into a film? Well,

(02:22:16):
that is what director Gankey Karamura does by telling the
story about a lost man played by Kasunari Ninoma stuck
in a subway system.

Speaker 7 (02:22:30):
He's just had a.

Speaker 5 (02:22:33):
Disturbing call from his girlfriend, finding out that she's actually pregnant.

Speaker 1 (02:22:38):
He's at a.

Speaker 5 (02:22:40):
At a crossroads in his life. Will he just continue
doing the same thing over and over again, or will
he actually mature and well, this last man needs to
find his way out of this never ending nightmare passageway.
I actually I played the Exit eight video game a

(02:23:04):
couple of years ago, and when I checked out this
year's myth calendar finding out what movies were being put on,
I saw that, yeah, that they had made a film
version of it. Had no idea. Was very surprised because

(02:23:24):
the video game is one of those games that is
completely gameplay. There's no story to the game whatsoever. Like
even something as simple as Mortal Kombat or Super Mario,
these games have story to them. Even something like Minecraft

(02:23:44):
has something of a story to it. The Exit eight
had no story to it. It was just a looping
passageway and you needed to complete certain tasks in order
to in order to escape this never ending passage way.
The game had its scary moments, it had its funny moments,

(02:24:05):
but yeah, it was a It was a test of
the player's ability to detect slight some some things in
the environment which are very slightly different, and sometimes you
go through the passageway and things in the environment are
extremely different. The movie tells the same story, but it

(02:24:31):
also focuses on other characters as well, such as the
Walking Man played by Yamato Kuchi. Now again, in the
video game, this walking Man is just a character who
walks down the hallway towards you every time that you
go through this never ending pathway. In the film, we

(02:24:54):
actually get to see where this walking Man came from,
how he became part of this never ending nightmare of
a passageway, this kind of test. Is it just I mean,
is it something within the last man's mind? Is it
some kind of mental breakdown that he's going through, or

(02:25:15):
is it some other kind of alternate universe or some
kind of an illusion. Who knows. I think it's a
very interesting video game adaptation because really it's so accurate
if you've played the video game. Like the video game

(02:25:36):
itself is really cheap, it's a very short game. It's
a kind of game that if you were to just
play through it and you could finish it in maybe
like twenty minutes if that. Personally, it took me a
couple of hours, because I mean it took me a
while to get used to it. And really I actually

(02:25:58):
had a good time trying to like to find all
the anomalies and to find every time that something was different.
It could be something as simple as a door that
you are passing, the handle on this door being in
the wrong position. You could pass by a poster and
the eyes on the people on the poster will be

(02:26:19):
looking at you, and they'll follow you around the room.
Sometimes a sign that you'll pass by will have some
text written differently on the other side of it. And
then there's the more outlandish things, such as you walk
into the path, you walk into the passageway, you begin

(02:26:40):
another loop, and there's obviously a man hiding hiding up
against the wall on the other side of the on
the other side of the passageway, painted so that he
looks like the tiles of the of the passageway itself,
and if you get near him, he starts running at you.

(02:27:02):
This kind of stuff, it's a very interesting little game,
and it was just weird the idea of them actually
being able to turn this very simple concept into an
hour and a half movie and for it to actually work. Yeah,
I don't think that I've actually seen a video game

(02:27:23):
manage to translate a video game movie managed to translate
gameplay from the game to the movie quite so accurately
as I have here with the Exit eight. So it's
one that's very hard to talk about because I can't.

(02:27:44):
I don't want to go into it. I don't want
to go into too much more in the way of story.
But at the same time, there's not really much else
to talk about. The actors are great in it. I mean,
Kasunari Ninma. He's going through this uh yeah, going through
this breakdown, going through this this situation with his girlfriend,

(02:28:08):
and it's playing on his mind. He's kind of just
a it seems like he's something. He's a kind of
guy that tries to avoid confrontation or avoid a situation
where he might actually need to be the be the
man to step out and do the right thing. And
through his journey through this never ending passageway, uh, he

(02:28:32):
kind of learns to to overcome that. And I think
that was a very interesting, uh just a just a
cool little way to put a very simple story into
this movie. While at the same time keeping the keeping
the video game aspects. It is kind of again, I
know I've said it multiple times, but it is. Really

(02:28:54):
it's kind of weird just how accurately this movie translates
the video game to the to the big screen, the set,
the actual location, even just even just as basic as
the posters along the wall of the of the hallway
that the characters are walking down there, there are hundred

(02:29:14):
percent accurate to what they look like in the video game.
And I think that that that sense of accuracy, in
that sense of like one to one translation, is clearly
a It's clearly been an important motivator to the to
the filmmakers, So not being able to really say much

(02:29:39):
else to it, I would have to give this a
five out of five. Yeah, it is. It's such a
weird production. It's such a.

Speaker 1 (02:29:47):
Weird little film.

Speaker 5 (02:29:49):
Uh. It's one that I think. I think that if
you haven't seen the movie that it's based if you
haven't seen the video game that it's based on, if
you haven't played the video game that it's based on,
I think you're still enjoy avoid the film. But I
think that it's really you owe it to yourself to
play the video game and then watch the movie. It's

(02:30:10):
a very simple game. It's not difficult at all. It's
just more of a kind of this psychological horror puzzle game.
And just the fact that they've managed to translate this
the actual game to the screen so perfectly, unlike any
other video game movie that I've ever seen. I've got

(02:30:32):
to give this five out of five. I think they've
done an incredible job, and I really highly recommend it.

Speaker 29 (02:30:40):
I will dispense this advice.

Speaker 30 (02:30:42):
Now enjoy the power and beauty of your youth. Never mind,
you will not understand the power and beauty of your
youth until they've faded. But trust me, in twenty years
you look back at photos of yourself and we're calling away.
You can't grasp now how much possibility lay before you

(02:31:04):
and how fabulous you really looked.

Speaker 16 (02:31:06):
You are not as fat as you imagine.

Speaker 30 (02:31:12):
Don't worry about the future or worry, but know that
worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra
equation by chewing bubblegum. The real troubles in your life
are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind,
a kind that blindsizes you at four PM on some
idle Tuesday. Do one thing every day that scares you sing.

(02:31:38):
Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up
with people who are reckless with yours flaws. Don't waste
your time on jealousy. Sometimes you're ahead, sometimes you're behind.
The race is long, and in the end, tony with yourself.

(02:31:59):
Remember implements you receive, Forget the insults.

Speaker 7 (02:32:03):
If you succeed in.

Speaker 30 (02:32:05):
Doing this, tell me how keep your old love letters,
throw away your old bank statements.

Speaker 7 (02:32:14):
Stretch.

Speaker 30 (02:32:15):
Don't feel guilty if you don't know what you want
to do with your life.

Speaker 29 (02:32:18):
The most interesting people I know didn't know at twenty
two what they wanted to do with their lives.

Speaker 5 (02:32:23):
Some of the most interesting forty year olds I know
still don't.

Speaker 7 (02:32:28):
Get plenty of counsel. Be kind to your needs.

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You'll miss them when they're god.

Speaker 29 (02:32:35):
Maybe you'll marry, maybe you won't. Maybe you'll have children,
maybe you won't. Maybe you'll divorce at forty. Maybe you'll
dance the Funky Chicken on your seventy fifth wedding anniversary.
Whatever you do, don't congratulate yourself too much or braate
yourself either.

Speaker 11 (02:32:51):
Your choices are half chance, so are everybody else's. Enjoy
your body, Use it every way you can. Don't be
afraid of it or what other people think of it.
It's the greatest instrument you'll ever own.

Speaker 29 (02:33:07):
Dance even if you have nowhere to do it but
in your own living. Read the directions, even if.

Speaker 30 (02:33:13):
You don't follow them.

Speaker 29 (02:33:14):
Do not read beauty magazines. They will only make you
feel ugly.

Speaker 1 (02:33:25):
You get to know your parents.

Speaker 7 (02:33:28):
You never know when they'll be gone.

Speaker 30 (02:33:30):
Good be nice to your siblings are your best link
to your past and the people most likely to.

Speaker 7 (02:33:36):
Stick with you in the future.

Speaker 30 (02:33:41):
You understand that friends come and go with a precious view.
You should hold on. Work hard to print the gaps
in geography and lifestyle, or the older you get, the
more you need.

Speaker 29 (02:33:54):
The people you knew when you young.

Speaker 7 (02:33:58):
Live in New York City, but leave.

Speaker 30 (02:34:01):
Before it makes you hard. Live in northern California once,
but leave the for it makes you soft. Travel, Accept
certain inalienable truths. Prices will rise, politicians will filaner. You too,
will get old, and when you do, you'll fantasize that
when you were young, the prices were reasonable, politicians were noble,

(02:34:25):
and children respected their elders.

Speaker 7 (02:34:29):
Respect your elders.

Speaker 30 (02:34:31):
Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have
a trust fund, maybe you'll have a wealthy spouse, but
you never know when either one might run out. Don't
mess too much with your hair, or by the time
you're forty, it will look at eighty five. Be careful
whose advice you'd buy, but be patient with those who

(02:34:53):
supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it
as a way of fishing the past from the disposal,
wiping it off, eating over the ugly pipes, and recycling
it for more than it's worked.

Speaker 21 (02:35:10):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:35:10):
Now on the show, I want to take a look
at Francois Ozon's brand new movie called When the Fall
Is Coming. Now, this is an absolutely amazing film. Like
I've I've been a fan of Ozon's for a long
time now, with movies like In the House, Swimming Pool,
Young and Beautiful, which I feel is his best film.

(02:35:32):
But When Fall Is Coming is a film that it's
a difficult film to explain, but it's a film that
it stays with you. I know this movie is going
to stay with me a long time after I've finished
watching it. It basically centers around a character called Michelle
played by Helene Vincent, who in a previous life was

(02:35:56):
or when she was younger, I should say, in case
you think it's a supernatural. When she was younger, she
worked as a prostitute. Now she's retired now and living
in the country, but her daughter, Valerie played by Ludovine Sagnia,
has never really forgiven her mother for when she found
out that she was working as a prostitute. Now, Michelle's

(02:36:19):
best friend is Marie Claude Perrin played by Josiane Balasco.
They share the joys and they share the sadness of
life together, and suddenly Michelle finds herself stuck in the
sadness of life when Valerie comes to visit her and

(02:36:41):
Michelle accidentally feeds her poisoned mushroom. Yes, I know, it's
very topical for what's been going on in Melbourne recently. Now,
Valerie blames her mother for what's happened, saying that she
at first feels that a mum's so absent minded that
she shouldn't be allowed to look after the grandchildren anymore.

(02:37:02):
That later becomes a little bit of an allegation that
perhaps Valerie tried to poison her. Now things from there
go a little bit worse because Marie's son, Vincent played
by Pierre Lawton, is released from prison. Now he starts
up a friendship with Michelle, and Michelle kind of tell

(02:37:25):
kind of tells him about the fact that she feels
that she's never going to see her grandson again. Vincent
goes to Paris to pay Valerie a visit, supposedly to
tell her that she should go easy on her mum.
But during that visit she dies. Was it an accident
or was it or did he kill her? That's the

(02:37:48):
question that we're left with as an audience, And of
course we're also left with the question of did Michelle
try to kill Valerie prior to that? After all, Valerie
was the only one who ate the mushrooms. Michelle eat them,
and her grandson didn't eat them either. So it's an
in depth kind of drama. It's one of those films

(02:38:10):
when you watch it, you realize a lot. I found
myself thinking about what it must be like for someone
who is an older person who is separated from their family,
and I know I started to think of some people
in our own family that kind of separated themselves due

(02:38:34):
to their behavior and what it must have been like
later in life with them. But as you watch this film,
you like the character of Michelle. You see that she's
a kind hearted grandmother, and you hope that she didn't
try to kill her daughter. But you can't say whether
she did or she didn't. And that's what I love
about the naturalism of this film. Francois Ozann has written

(02:38:59):
this in such a way that you never really know.
You can't trust your own instincts with this film. Likewise,
with Vincent, you like to think that, yeah, he's out
of prison, he's trying to make a new life for himself.
He's gonna run in this bar. You like to think that, yeah,
an accident just happened to Valerie while he happened to

(02:39:20):
be in her apartment. After all, they had a bit
of a fight. We see her go out onto the balcony.
The police originally believe that she fell off the balcony
while she was trying to reach her stash of cigarettes,
but there's questions did Vincent do it. It's really interesting
because so often in cinema these days you find that

(02:39:43):
the villain in the piece is portrayed as kind of
a hideous character. Like you see from the very start
that no, these characters, this character is not a nice person,
and you and you're led to believe that from the
very start that's not the case.

Speaker 13 (02:40:00):
Here.

Speaker 1 (02:40:02):
There's questions about Michelle, there's questions about Vincent, and that's
the way that life is. You hear that someone's committed
a crime and you start to think, did they or
are they mistaken? Are people mistaken for what they think
is has kind of happened here? So it's an interesting
film that it plays out that way. It's also brilliantly acted.

(02:40:24):
Helene Vincent is amazing in this, to be honest, if
this was an American film, we'd be talking about an
oscar for her. Likewise, Pierre Lowten plays this character remarkably
well in that they're kind of playing these characters have
to be likable for the audience, but they may have

(02:40:46):
tried to or have committed a hideous crime. It's an
interesting film from that point of view. You're also always
wondering what are the police going to find out? When
are the police going to turn up here and want
to arrest somebody? Is that going to happen? Is it
not going to happen. It's just one of those intriguing

(02:41:07):
movies that drags you in and you're kept guessing the
entire time. And not only that, but like I said earlier,
it's also a film that makes you think as well.
So I think When Fall Is Coming is probably one
of my favorite films that I've seen so far this year.
I really really loved this film. I thought it was

(02:41:28):
brilliantly written, amazing in the way that it keeps its
suspense and doesn't reveal it its hand too soon or
anything like that. So many movies these days come out
and the director tries to be smart and keep secrets,
but you end up seeing straight through it that doesn't happen.
When Fall Is Coming. This is a is a brilliant film.

(02:41:50):
In fact, I'm actually going to give this film four
and a half stars. I think it's that kind of movie.
It's an absolutely brilliant film. I think I probably would
have liked a little bit more of an answer at
the end. That's probably the only thing that holds it back.
But I'm going to give When Fall Is Coming four
and a half out of five. This is a brilliant film.

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Speaker 14 (02:42:20):
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never gonna get that much deeper. I didn't want to
stop him, leave him. I want to be over not

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your keeper, but.

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I really loved so.

Speaker 7 (02:42:54):
But you can't stand back.

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Speaker 7 (02:43:00):
Know my clothes, man, I see what you have done
for my feet. And I'm not being only hubs because
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This is the sound of breaking hers.

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I see what you have done.

Speaker 7 (02:43:25):
That I'm not being only.

Speaker 14 (02:43:29):
Because one's broken ears in money.

Speaker 7 (02:43:32):
This is the sound broken of trying to stop going.
I didn't say that this was gonna be easy. When
you've got nothing, it's.

Speaker 21 (02:43:46):
Tempting to fall right back.

Speaker 7 (02:43:48):
I know that you know how to please me, but
I in love to Soon's.

Speaker 14 (02:44:01):
You can step back scene if you need to know
as I see want you.

Speaker 1 (02:44:13):
And that is it for this episode of the Popcorn
Conspiracy Subculture High Brad Show. Harley, what a huge show
we've had tonight. We've been out and about and seeing
so many films recently. It's been pretty hectic, hasn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:44:29):
I know it's like running ourselves ragged, running from one
cinema to the next to see all the films and
then running our mouths ragged to talk about them.

Speaker 1 (02:44:39):
Yeah, definitely. But if you had wanted to know what
we've been doing or seeing where we've been and stuff
like that, if you should have been following all of
our socials, because of course we've put up where we are,
where we're at these events, and for the next couple
of weeks, as the festival continues, we will still be
putting stuff up on there. So one of the socials
that people follow.

Speaker 2 (02:45:00):
Holly absolutely look for a subculture entertainment on Facebook, Twitter, Discord, TikTok,
Blue Skies, where aren't we You can also look for
a subculture Dave on Instagram and threads, so heaps of
stuff going up there. And I just realized I did

(02:45:21):
not post anything while I was at the last couple
of saying, but David is good, he's been sharing everything.
So again, look look on there all those Facebook, Discord, Twitter, TikTok,
Blue Skies, Instagram, threads. Wherever you are will be there
and if we're not there, tell us and maybe we'll

(02:45:43):
think about going there, you know, if it's up to
our standard.

Speaker 1 (02:45:47):
Definitely also, and also jump on the subculture Entertainment dot
com as well, because a lot of our musices have
been going up there while we've been busy with the
film stuff as well, and there's been a couple of
big ones come up there, including Sabatan joined us to
chat about their Australian tour that's coming up. We've also

(02:46:09):
going to be in a couple of weeks time, once
the festival dies down, we're going to have a very
special guest on our show. We're going to have Sebastian
Bark on our show chatting a little bit about his
time in skid Row and also about his upcoming Australian
tour as well. And we thought what we would do
on that day is do what we did with Shari Curry.

(02:46:31):
We'll kind of have a little bit of a look
at the bands that were in and around skid Row
at that time. But also we thought we would have
a look at what it means when we say the
word iconic rock band. So we're going to throw it
open to you the listeners. We're also, of course Harley
and I will be doing a list of who we
consider the most iconic rock bands of all time, and

(02:46:53):
we'll get Nick Garty back on as well to chat
a little bit about that as well.

Speaker 2 (02:46:58):
Yeah, Nick's got a lot of gems. And then you know,
again we'll be complaining for weeks that, oh how did
we forget to mention on?

Speaker 1 (02:47:07):
But yeah, I've already done. I've already done the the
interview with Sebastian and he gives a really great insight
to what it was like being in skid Row at
that time. He also, of course talks about some of
the iconic Australian moments during that time, because of course
skid Row were involved with two of them. They were
involved with the record store Stampede, when they went to

(02:47:31):
do an in person signing of their album in an
Australian music store and the police had to escort them away.
He also talks about the very very iconic Guns n'
Roses concert at Colder Park in Melbourne, which became just
an iconic concept. Of course, skid Row were one of
the bands playing on that afternoon, and so he talks

(02:47:53):
a little bit about that as well. So, yeah, great
to have a little bit of Australian music history thrown
in there as well.

Speaker 2 (02:48:00):
Yeah, it's brilliant, but just a reminder for our film fans.
I think we didn't mention as well as that everything
we're seeing at the festival is going up on Subculture
Entertainment dot Com within like the next day or the
day after. So if you want to get the load

(02:48:21):
down before episodes come out, yeah, just keep checking the
website because there's constantly stuff going up at the moment.

Speaker 1 (02:48:28):
Definitely, and jump onto our Patreon as well, because Harley
and I actually recorded a new episode of the Casting
Couch the other day where we take a look at
who we think should be the new Doctor Strange and
that's exclusive to pay so make sure you check that
out as well.

Speaker 2 (02:48:44):
Yeah, you don't want to miss that. There's plenty plenty
more coming up. Jeez, where non stop at the moment.
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (02:48:52):
We are, but we better get out of here right
now because there's more great programming coming up on Central
Post Radio. So for now, I've been Dave g.

Speaker 2 (02:49:02):
And I've been Holly and we will catch you next episode.

Speaker 7 (02:49:08):
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