Subculture Radio Show Ep #114

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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hello, and welcome to another episode of Subculture Meets the
Popcorn Conspiracy. I'm Dave, g and Jamie. Right now is
Ali welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Mate, Hello, Dave and Hollo everyone. Thanks for joining us
again for another Subculture Let him know what we've got
on today, Dave.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, Look, we've got a pretty big music episode today.
We do have other stuff as well, but there's a
few interviews that we've recorded recently for artists who are
about to tour Australia. So we thought today we would
actually get them into the show so that you can
hear all about these amazing tours before they happen. We've
got blues rock legend Eric Gails, who's going to chat

(00:59):
to us about here's Australian tour. We've got a two guys,
and I have to admit I'm kind of been late
to the party with this band. There's a great little
indie rock band from the US called Cleopatrick and I
gotta say their music is absolutely amazing and they're coming
to Australia. I think it's next week actually, and so

(01:22):
we sat down to have a little chat to them.
They're one of these bands, Harley that kind of had
success before they sat down with a record label, because
they'd been releasing their music online and already had an
absolutely massive following before signing to a label, which I
guess is the is the new way to do things now.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Absolutely, So we're going to chat to the guys from
Cleopatrick later on and we're going to play an absolute,
absolutely brilliant track from them called Hometown as well. We're
also going to chat to pop punk legends zebra Head,
who are about to come to Australia as well. And
let's just say that my interview with Ben, the member
of the band got completely out of hand somehow. We

(02:07):
moved on from talking about music and started talking about
Quaker's shoewies and Australian culture. So yeah, look out for
that a little bit later on as well. We're also
Kyle's going to drop by and review a brand new
Asian film called The Shadows Edge, which he says is
very very good. We're also going to take a look

(02:28):
at the brand new Stephen King film The Long Walk,
which is in Cinema Cinemas right now. And we're going
to begin our look at packs this year by chatting
to one of the indie Games Winners about their game
called Space Wreck Salvage, So that's coming up a little
bit later on as well. But we're actually going to

(02:50):
kick off the show today with a listener question because
we've got a really good question come in with all
the tools that have been announced at the moment, it
was a selling out so quickly. Evanescence sold out their
shows right around Australia in two minutes the other day
when the tickets went on sale, and we've seen the

(03:11):
same happening for the new lineup of Lincoln Park who
were coming to Australia. And we actually had a question
come through discord from a listener called g Man. So
I don't know what g Man stands for, but he said,
have any of the members of Lincoln Park had hits
outside of Lincoln Park? Because of course there was a

(03:33):
little while there between the death of their lead singer
and them announcing that they were reforming with a new
lead singer. So I sat down and started to do
some homework to find out whether or not any of
the members of Lincoln Park had had success outside the
outside the band. And then I felt really embarrassed because
I realized there was a band that I fell in

(03:53):
love with a few years back.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
Now.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
They only had one album, I think, but that was
actual actually Mike Shinoda's band from Lincoln Park. He actually
had a band called Fort Minor. Don't know if you've
heard of them, Harley.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I think I've heard of them, but I'm not sure
if I heard the music.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, so they had a very big hit with a
track called where Did You Go? So we thought to
kick off the show today and to answer g Man's question,
we would actually play Fort Minor where did You Go?
And just a little bit of a warning if you've
got little ears in the car or around at the moment,
there are there are some swears in his song, So yeah,

(04:32):
maybe if you've got little ones around, you might want
to just put them out of the room for a
moment while we play this one. But yeah, this is
where did you Go? By Fort Minor?

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Where'd You Go?

Speaker 6 (04:49):
A messic song.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
Seems like it's been forever.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
She said.

Speaker 8 (05:09):
Some days I feel like shit.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Some days I.

Speaker 9 (05:11):
Want to quit and just be normal for a bit.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
I don't understand why you have to always be gone.
I get along, but the trips always feel so long,
and I find myself trying to stay by the phone
because your voice always helps me. Then I feel so alone,
But I feel like an idiot working my day around
the call than when I pick up, I don't have
it to say. So I want you to know it's
a little fucked up that I'm stuck here, waiting at

(05:34):
times to beat and telling you that I've had it
with you and your career. Me and the rest of
the family here singing where you.

Speaker 10 (05:40):
Go, so.

Speaker 9 (06:01):
He's come back home?

Speaker 8 (06:02):
You know a place where you used to live, used
to barbecue burgers and ribs, used to have a little
party every Halloween, mccandy by the file, But now you
only stop by every.

Speaker 11 (06:11):
Once in a while.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
Shit, I find myself just feel in my time with
anything to keep the thought of you from my mind.
I'm doing fine, and the planning to keep it that way.
And you can call me if you find that you
have something to say. And I'm telling you I want
you to know it's a little fucked up that I'm
stuck here a wait at times the paint and telling
you that I've had it with you in your career.
Me and the rest of the family, they're singing where

(06:34):
you go.

Speaker 12 (06:55):
I want you to know.

Speaker 8 (06:56):
It's a little fucked up that I'm stuck here. Wait no,
I'm debating, tired of sitting and hating and making these
excuses for why you're not around and feeling so useless.
It seems one thing it's been true all along. You
don't really know what you've got till it's gone. I
guess I've had it with you in your career. When
you come back, I won't be here and you can sing.
You go.

Speaker 13 (07:19):
You Susie tack and spout you go it, Susie see tacket, smoothful.
It's Scot come. It's Scott. It's Scott. It's Scott Come.

(07:58):
He's Scot will come.

Speaker 14 (08:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now on the show, Halle, we're actually going to chat
to director Kate Woods about her brand new Australian film
called Kangaroo. Now, Harley, Kate, I am definitely sure you
would have watched some of her stuff from over the years,
because she's a very, very big director in Australian television.
But she was also the director of a film called
Looking for Ala Brandy, which I'm sure you've watched.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
Oh yes, back in the day, I remember that coming out.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, yeah, So Kate has made a bit of a
career for herselves, starting out in Australian television. She's been
overseas and worked on a number of shows overseas. She
worked on the Umbrella Academy, she's worked on Lawaid, she's
worked on The Lawyer, and now she's back in Australia

(09:04):
and she's just made this brand new movie called Kangaroo,
which is a fan or film that's in cinemas right now,
and it's starring people like Deborah Mailman and some brilliant
Australian casts. So let's sit back and enjoy this interview
with Kate Woods as she talks about Kangaroo. So much
for agreeing to chat to us today, My pleasure.

Speaker 12 (09:25):
Oll.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I want to start off by saying congratulations on the film.
It's an absolutely amazing film, so congratulations.

Speaker 12 (09:32):
Well, thank you so much. It means a lot.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
So Kate, tell us a little bit about where your
journey started with Kangaroo.

Speaker 15 (09:41):
Well, it was the Kangaroo was brought to me as
a sort of pretty well developed script that Studio Canal
had commissioned. They wanted to start making films in Australia
and this was obviously a fabulous first one. And they
brought it to me and of course it was a

(10:03):
sort of irresistible to come home and make a film
as Ozzie as this one, and all started from there.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
So how important do you think that is that as
Australians and Australian filmmakers, that we are making Australian stories
Because of course so many big blockbusters have been made
in Australia over the past few years with Marvel films
and things like that, But how important is it to
our industry to go back and make films like this
as well?

Speaker 12 (10:35):
I think I think it's essential.

Speaker 15 (10:36):
I think, you know, we have to have our own
voice as filmmakers in our country, and it doesn't necessarily
have to be iconically Australian like this is, you know
about the outback and kangaroos, but just having an Australian
sensibility because it's very different than the American sensibility and
they're kind of filmmaking. It's just telling stories our way,

(10:59):
whatever the stories are, and that will make them Australian
because it's got our character baked into it. And I
think that's incredibly important because we've got fabulous talent here
and writers and crew and directors and everything that you
know that can support a really strong industry and I'd

(11:20):
love to see you know, more and more of it can.
I feel incredibly privileged to be able to make Australian films.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, as you said, this was a very well established
screenplay when you started working on it as well. What
was it that attracted you to the actual project itself
and to say I want.

Speaker 12 (11:39):
To do this. I just I love the story.

Speaker 15 (11:42):
I just think it was a delightful story. As much
as the you know, the the cute factor of the
kangaroos was there. It was the relationship between the little
Aboriginal girl and and the sort of hapless Chris that
that that wanders into her path, but also that it
was a community of a fully formed multicultural community, you know,

(12:09):
Indigenous people, white people, all kinds of different nationalities, without
making a big fuss about ity.

Speaker 12 (12:14):
It just was.

Speaker 15 (12:15):
It just existed and that's the way we'd like it
to be. And it was an incredible opportunity to actually
put that on the screen.

Speaker 12 (12:22):
So there was that.

Speaker 15 (12:23):
And then when I met Broga barn This Chris Barogle
Barnes and visited his kangaroo santry just outside of Alice
Springs and held one of those little babies I was in.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
That's one of the things I loved about this movie
because I volunteer with wildlife as well, and I've been
in that situation where a mother kangaroo one day just decided, oh, well,
you look like you can look after my baby for
a little bit, and she left him with me while
she went away and did other things. But there's so
many misconceptions about kangaroos. I find it really interesting that

(12:55):
in America a lot of people think that we have
kangaroos as pets. In Australia and other people that think
that they're actually violent creatures. How important was that to
you to kind of get that truth across about what
kangaroos are really like.

Speaker 15 (13:09):
You took the words right out of my mouth. That's
exactly what I wanted to do, to show the truth
and what kangaroos are really all about, not only to
show them how they actually are. But you never get
to you don't really get to interact with these little
creatures on film like this before. I don't think it's
ever been so personal this way, and you know so

(13:33):
many of them without it being well, we said, look
like it, but it's real. It's how they really are.
And the Broga, Chris Brogert Burns, showed us how to
look after them. He showed us how to present them.
And I think that you get a feeling. I hope
you get the feeling that it is a real experience

(13:54):
that we're not. There are no tricks. You know, this
is how it really isn't with the Joey's as well
as as the bigger kangaroos, how they behave with each other.
That's why I wanted to have the the little moments
of kangaroos in the wild so you see them and
how they really are, so that you know that the

(14:14):
story we're telling about our kangaroo Roger is truthful. But
the authenticity was absolutely paramount to me.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
So I'm guessing there was a few rogers that were
used in the armsuit. What were they like to work with?

Speaker 15 (14:30):
Well, in fact, well, I'm glad you asked that question
because it makes me think that they look incredibly real.
But actually Roger is cgi because you can't work with
it an animal that big. It's just not it's just
not possible. And they're not They wouldn't they wouldn't respond
well to a crew. You can film them from afar.

(14:53):
But we modeled our Roger absolutely one hundred percent on
the real Roger that used to live in that sanctuary
and how are you used to behave? But Brogle would
be the first one to say no, no, no, no no.
You don't want to get Nick Paddock with a six
foot foot kangaroo. So it was just the Joey's that
were real. The Joey's were.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
One hundred Yeah, they were they difficult to work with
or were they quite easy to work with?

Speaker 15 (15:20):
They would divine to work with because they are wild
animals and they're actually traumatized wild animals because they've lost
their mum. But they're very affectionate to kittens. They will
cuddle up to you quite easily, and they'll jump into
anything that looks like a pouch, so they'll try and
get down your shirt or jump into you know, your bag.

(15:43):
But I think the appeal is that they are so affectionate.
And I think I'm going to be in trouble because
I think there was going to be lots of young
people that might want a Joey Mummy. I want a
Joey and they forget that they've gropped with be Can,
but that they are that delightful to work with.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, were you worried about using CGI for Roger? Because
I know a lot of filmmakers these days, Like I've
spoken to filmmakers who have had to CGI dinosaurs and
that's probably a little bit easier to get away with
because we've never met a dinosaur up close. But for
Australians watching, we've all had again, Nearest, Yeah.

Speaker 15 (16:22):
Once again, you took the words right out of my mouth.
An excellent question. I mean, that was terrifying. You know,
it had to be one hundred perfectly real, and the
visual effects team were just extraordinary. Stage twenty three was
the name of the company that did it, and there
was a you know, a cast of people that you know,

(16:44):
someone looking after its skin and someone looking after the fur,
even the veins and the muscles, and they studied how
they moved in every tiny way. They did an extraordinary job,
huge amount of research and took a long time to
do it. So I think it's a really incredible achievement
because you can't tell that it's not real kangaroos. But

(17:07):
there was no choice, There was no way you could
work with a real one and I you know, and
animatronics just were not going to be able to manage it.

Speaker 12 (17:17):
Now.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Of course, the other side to that story as well
is finding the perfect Charlie for this film. Tell us
a little bit about how you went on that journey
to find the perfect Charlie.

Speaker 15 (17:27):
Well, we had a great casting director and a Nushka
Kazakos who had done many indigenous films before. So she
sent out the tom sent out the drums all across
Australia and just invited young people to send in tapes
and one of those was miss Lily Whiteley. And we

(17:50):
chose a few young people to sort of audition at
a closer range. But we just knew sort of from
the start that Lily was the one.

Speaker 12 (17:59):
She just was Charlie. She just appealed.

Speaker 15 (18:02):
We just knew that she would fit that story perfectly,
because I think with working with young people that have
not acted before, you need to make sure that they
are as close to the character as possible so they're
not trying to act something different. But you know, Lily
had never stood in front of a camera before she

(18:23):
took on this role. She's only twelve years old and
she was a lead in this film. I think she
did an incredible job.

Speaker 12 (18:30):
She was just amazing. I'm so proud of her and
I'm so delighted that we.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Found her, definitely, and you had such an amazing cast
around her as well. In such an experienced cast, people
like Roy Billying, Deborah Mailman, Wayne Blair at the least
just went on tell us a.

Speaker 15 (18:46):
Little bit iconic actor isiahs the Kram De la crem Yeah,
of Australian acting. I was just so on and to
be working with them, and you know, they brought so
much to the film. I think a lot of the
joy in the film, a sense of community and family
in the film is created by those incredible actors.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
And you had, of course Ryan kra as well playing Chris,
who's an actor that a lot of us have watched
kind of on screen over the years, mature and mature
more as an actor. What was he like to work
with as well?

Speaker 15 (19:18):
Oh fantastic. I mean he was just amazing. The detail
his performance the nuance was just great. He's as good
with comedy as he is with drama.

Speaker 12 (19:27):
He's great.

Speaker 15 (19:29):
And you know, physical is great with physical, comedy's bread
and it was wonderful because I've worked with Ryan back
when he was about thirteen years old on Sleepover Club,
So it was a wonderful reunion really, you know, when
he was when he was just starting out, so it
was absolutely thrilling for me to work with him.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Definitely. Now you've kind of led into my next question
there as well, because one of the things I've loved
about your career is that, despite the fact that you
were known for making film in Australia, you've been able
to go overseas and have a successful career in tell
of is in directing overseas as well. What was that
like for you to return back to Australia to work
on a film like this, but also return back to

(20:07):
the feature film format as well.

Speaker 12 (20:10):
Well, it was.

Speaker 15 (20:10):
I mean, obviously it was a great you know, opportunity
to make another film. It's you know, it's very hard
for anyone to to get a film together. It's a
very difficult process. And to have one sort of already there,
financed and developed with a big international company like Studio

(20:32):
Canal was just incredible. And on top of that, to
tell a story that was so personally you know, of
my country, well, it was it was a wonderful and
very fulfilling experience.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I was.

Speaker 12 (20:50):
I was just honored to do it.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
And it's great that we're that we've got another family
film here in Australia as well, because I think we
do that so well with family movie. When I was
growing up, there were so many Ozzy family films and
of course we've seen odd Ball and films like that
over the years as well. Was that something that you
really enjoyed as well, being able to make a film
that the entire family from grandma down to grandchild can enjoy.

Speaker 15 (21:15):
That's right, That's exactly what we wanted to and that's
exactly what we wanted to do. There's something for everybody,
even though we hope that you know, it will appeal
to children and younger people, but you know, the parents
and the grandparents also enjoy it to something that you
can all go to the movies together and it's not well,

(21:37):
it's like he's got to choose a Bilmo. Everybody hopefully
will want to come and see a family film like this.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Definitely, well, kay, I know we are running out of
time very quickly, so I guess to finish off, what
would you like to say to people out there who
are about to head into cinemas to take a look
at Kangaroo, Well, I really.

Speaker 15 (21:56):
Hope that it's an opportunity for them to look at themselves.
You know, we are These are the things that are
uniquely our This is our national icon in the Kangaroo
and the out back of Australia, the central Australia is
unique to us, and I really hope that audiences take

(22:17):
a look at it and are proud to be Australians.

Speaker 16 (22:39):
At the back of my grandmother's house there was a
hill with a tangled guard, thick and wire. We used
to go there, you and I as children, slipping away
from the aunts and uncles and our homemade brew.

Speaker 17 (23:00):
We carried our ice creams in the summer sun, tried
to make them last as long as we could. Pretty
soon they started to run, dripping down, stripping on the ground.

Speaker 5 (23:19):
Melty.

Speaker 16 (23:35):
We sat under the trees, smoking by lighting little fire,
stumping each one out. As the summer went on, the
flame too high. We just stay, stay, stay, had everything, Melty.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
The back of your grandmother's house, it wasn't here.

Speaker 18 (24:46):
Black and smoky.

Speaker 17 (24:48):
At the end of the day, we watched the fire
trucks go back on down the road.

Speaker 19 (24:57):
We heard them calling out on a so.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
We was starting in the shadows, Manama.

Speaker 16 (25:48):
Now my grandmother's house is a supermarket, and I'm far away,
living in a colder city. And tonight I've pulled the
top of a bottle of beer and I've lit a fire,
and I'm staring.

Speaker 19 (26:07):
Stay where I am.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Where I am?

Speaker 9 (26:14):
Now your melting, we're all melt.

Speaker 11 (27:54):
I just neve words.

Speaker 20 (27:58):
Sure, I just got paid.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
I feel right, go and bo.

Speaker 5 (28:17):
I just catch my jack.

Speaker 11 (28:20):
I'm going to party all my home. When I go home,
my wife gonna be.

Speaker 20 (28:33):
So mad, be raising here.

Speaker 11 (28:43):
And parking at me bad. I'll be in trouble. But oh,
work for my head.

Speaker 12 (29:02):
It's not that I'm.

Speaker 11 (29:03):
Messaging the mountain. Nobody else.

Speaker 10 (29:08):
Living now and then I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 21 (29:10):
I'm founding myself, all my meds and paying my work.

Speaker 20 (29:17):
Gets three they come boing boing.

Speaker 11 (29:21):
Then getting got to the balfe. I just left working.

Speaker 7 (29:28):
And the shoulder.

Speaker 11 (29:29):
I got to go home.

Speaker 12 (29:31):
I do.

Speaker 20 (29:35):
Go to party on my line. Tell all my money
it is gone.

Speaker 16 (29:43):
So all my money is gone.

Speaker 11 (29:44):
Let's go spend this money.

Speaker 10 (29:45):
Joke here.

Speaker 20 (30:21):
My wife's so fast, she spends my fast time.

Speaker 11 (30:32):
To go shopping every day.

Speaker 12 (30:36):
To drive me out of my mind.

Speaker 20 (30:44):
Don't mean no disrespect, but this paject's gonna be made.

Speaker 11 (30:55):
I just left work. I shoulder hold, I just got paid.

Speaker 10 (31:10):
I feel like.

Speaker 11 (31:17):
I just kissed my chick. Good body on the lode.

Speaker 12 (31:29):
I just kissed my check.

Speaker 20 (31:32):
I'm good body.

Speaker 11 (31:33):
Oh yeah, I think I'm gonna have myself.

Speaker 20 (32:32):
Well.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Listen as there is a tour coming up that we
know a lot of you are very very excited about.
Music legend Eric Gails is coming to Australia for an
absolutely brilliant tour, so we thought today we would actually
get Eric on the phone to chat a little bit
about this amazing tour. So welcome to the program, Eric.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Hida, how y'all doing?

Speaker 12 (32:54):
Man?

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Thanks for having me. Glad to be a partner of
the show.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
No worries, Eric, We are so pleased to be able
to have you on the show. And I guess to
start off with I'd love to ask you how do
you feel about heading to Australia this November.

Speaker 22 (33:09):
Hey, I'm excited. We were there a couple of months
ago and you know, we had a wonderful time when
we were there and We're more than excited to be
on our way back. We've had a couple of opportunities
in the past to come and we've done the Byron
Bay Festival a couple of times and played in Melbourne

(33:31):
and I think Sydney if I'm not mistaken. But this
is our this is our first actual tour in Australia
and we're looking forward to it and mentally we're looking
forward to having a wonderful time and just rocking out
with you guys.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
We have such a powerful following hand for blues music
in this country. Were you aware of that before you
came for these shows that you came for the last time.

Speaker 22 (33:57):
No, I can't say that I was, you know, that
much aware, but I found out shortly after I came.
You know that, you know that happy support from the
from the from the people that come to the shows,
and there's an awesome a crowd response and there's just
a massive energy that we feel when we're there, and

(34:19):
we love it.

Speaker 12 (34:20):
We love it.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think for a lot of people as well. They
noticed that when Crown came out as an album as well.
There was such a rush at the start when the
album came out that so many people were excited about
it coming out. There was probably one of your most
personal albums that you've written as well, and I was
wondering if you could tell us a little bit about that.

(34:44):
It's an album that seems to have helped a lot
of people with their own battles, and I was wondering,
have you spoken to a lot of people who have
told you stories about how your music and that album
in particular, have helped them get through struggles in their
own lives.

Speaker 12 (35:01):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Yeah, I mean, you know, in their own way. They
just uh you know, just you know, related.

Speaker 22 (35:07):
To you know, how much they enjoyed, how much the
record has uh you know opened up you know, uh
certain perspectives for them and you know, causing them to
you know, view things a little different and uh you know,
uh finding themselves uh you know kind of you know,
uh uh seeing seeing experiences and in someone else's shoes

(35:32):
or in someone else's position, and uh, you know, I
guess be a little bit more mindful of of the
perspective of other people and uh, you know, to pertains
to you.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Know, the record.

Speaker 22 (35:43):
Definitely, people have given their responses to how much they've enjoyed,
you know, listening to the record and and and uh
envibing off of it and just how it made them
feel from uh, you know rocking out to the Crown
record and and and that in itself is a huge
accomplishments A it's a it's a gratifying.

Speaker 12 (36:07):
Statement to hear from anybody that you know gives.

Speaker 22 (36:09):
Feedback, you know, to to something that I was a
part of that I you know, it was a huge
factor in helping uh.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
To make happen. And to see that it affects people like.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
That is a big deal for you personally as well.
What did that album mean to you? Was it a
difficult album to work on and write or did you
find that it was kind of celebrating your accomplishments as well?

Speaker 12 (36:37):
Well?

Speaker 4 (36:37):
I want to saying a combination of both of those things.

Speaker 22 (36:40):
I mean, yeah, it was you know days that were
you know, quite difficult to you know, sort of do
some painful things and you know, and at the same time,
it was exhilarating to you know, accomplish those feats at
the end of the day. So you know, there were
you know, definitely some very emotional aspects of that record
and uh, you know took some diving into and uh

(37:03):
you know, it wasn't just going in and just doing
the regular run of the meal.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
It it entails some uh, it entails some work that
had to be done and uh, you know it was
it was uh.

Speaker 22 (37:16):
I would say it was a very proud moment after
you know, all the work had been done into it,
to listen back to it and and and go through
the uh uh different phases of uh, remembering you know,
what it took to make this happen, and and and
things that were thought about to go into this and
writing for the record, you know, was uh was definitely Uh.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
I wouldn't say it was a challenge.

Speaker 22 (37:40):
I mean, uh and in one way, but in another
way I said, well, it was a challenge because you know,
certain things that you know, people hadn't been really talking
about or or or writing about up until you know
that come out, especially myself speaking of myself. You know,
I've always written about, you know, autobiographal things, but you know, I.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Went a little bit deeper than the north on this one.

Speaker 22 (38:05):
And it felt great to you know, hear it come
back and and and to to hear the responses that
were being uh that were being gay from from the record.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
It felt like it came out at the right time
as well. I mean, the world was suffering at that point.
We were kind of slowly coming out of COVID. I
think here in Australia we were still having lockdowns at
that point. I think a lot of people were hurting.
Were you aware at the time when you brought the
album out that this would be an album that would

(38:37):
cause people to reflect on their own lives?

Speaker 22 (38:41):
Yeah, I mean I actually was, because I mean, as
well as it was happening there in Australia, we were
going through it, I mean pretty pretty intentionally.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Ourselves here in the US. I don't want to compare,
you know, you know, saying.

Speaker 22 (38:58):
That it was more it would more greater here than
it was there, you know, but you.

Speaker 12 (39:03):
Know we all.

Speaker 22 (39:04):
Experienced, you know them some hardships, you know, through the
COVID and the you know, racial tension and segregation and
you know racism that continued.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
To still happen, you know here in the US.

Speaker 22 (39:18):
But it was a it was a it was a
record that was intentional and you know, touching on topics
that you know, uh, gave way to you know, conversations
that you know were needed to be had. As it
relates to, you know, song titles off of the record,
and there was definitely intended purpose for the songs that

(39:42):
were put on this record, Uh that I think that
the whole world could relate to.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
So more or less answer your question, yes, I did
feel that, you know, the world was in.

Speaker 22 (39:57):
In a turmoil, if you will, did I I feel
like my record was gonna be what was gonna help
break them out of it? I mean at the time, No,
I didn't. I didn't, you know, my eyes wouldn't open
that big, you knows, as it pretends to that. I
was more so you know, having a focus on you know,
the parameters of what it was, what.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
And how it felt here in the US. Uh, but
as well I was. I was, and I was aware
of you know.

Speaker 22 (40:26):
That the rest of the world was going to their
own uh, you know, struggles and things of that nature,
you know, caused by you know this, you know.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Terrible.

Speaker 22 (40:38):
Sickness and and and and and and mouth and and
maucuality that was happening that you know, caused some you know,
tumultuous things and uh. For you know, Crown to be
in the category of a record that can be that
that could be considered one that kind of softened the

(40:58):
cushion or gain some sort of emotional and mental sort
of easement to the mind from you know, listening at
the songs and things of this record. That just showed
them that everybody that they're not alone and there was
someone else that was out there going through the same
things and things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Was very was very it was the word I'm looking for.
It was very gratifying if you were very gratifying.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
To know, definitely, Eric. I wanted to go right back
to the start with your career as well, because your
career pretty much started when you were sixteen years old.
I wanted to find out when did you first fall
in love with music and when did you first realize
that that music was your gift as well?

Speaker 4 (41:49):
They goes back further than sixteen. It was four years
old when I first picked up a guitar. I mean,
I knew then.

Speaker 22 (41:56):
That there was something about music that I liked a
whole lot, and you know, it just was you know,
I didn't I didn't ignore it. I paid attention to
it and just you know, follow the things that were
being presented at the time, listening to all different styles
of music and the more and more I did, the

(42:17):
more and more I just got infatuated with you know,
music as as a whole and things that they created
and things that it brought about, and different emotions and
things that.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
They brought about. That at four and five years old,
you know.

Speaker 22 (42:31):
That I wouldn't suppose have necessarily been feeling at that time,
so you know, I just knew that, you know, this
was something that music was doing for me.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
So you know, it was about four or five years
old that you know that that I came in awareness
of that.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
So tell us a little bit about where it went
from there. When you were four years old and you
first picked up the guitar, was it obvious to people
around you at that time that you you had that talent?
And then I guess this is for the the young
musicians who listened to our show. What was that next
step for you then to get to the point to
to where you are today.

Speaker 22 (43:08):
Don't get around with my family, so you know my family,
you know, they were playing too, so they were very
much so in awareness of that.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
You know, you know, the gift had.

Speaker 22 (43:17):
Been passed on down to me, and you know that
the music, the music bug had been you know kind
of you know, followed along with me, and I just
continued on, you know, and and engaging in everything that
was you know, involved in music. And and after a while,
you know the point that uh, you know, I just uh,

(43:40):
I wouldn't necessarily playing out anywhere or anything like that,
but you went to a jam or something like that,
and and somebody was there that I was in the industry,
and uh, you know kind of uh caught their attention
and and and pretty much you know, was off to
the rations from their production deal and things of that nature,

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and just kind of went on from there.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
You've always had that honesty in your music, like we
mentioned before, whether it be about personal struggle, whether it
be about politics. Was that honesty there in your music
from a from a very early age as well.

Speaker 22 (44:17):
I wouldn't say, I mean no, because I hadn't experienced
those types of things at that time. I mean early on,
I was just you know, my intention was just to
play and uh, you know, and and and and and
and and and then fall back, you know what I mean.
So I hadn't yet experienced things like I had been
I have experienced later on in life, So I mean

(44:40):
there was much more of an innocence if you will,
uh as things to you know, you know how I
was carrying myself and you know how I h you
know just uh, you know, walked around in the mindset
U was not uh filled with you know, things that
I'm a mature, older person, you know that come into.

Speaker 12 (45:04):
Awareness things of the world and issues and.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
You know, problems and responsibilities and things of that nature.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
Okay, So of bringing it back to the toy, You've
got eighteen albums worth of music and an absolutely massive
back catalog to choose from. How do you pick a
set list for a toy like this one here in Australia.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
It's difficult. It's really difficult.

Speaker 22 (45:26):
I mean, on the on the verge of this new
album coming out in a couple of weeks, I mean,
it's gonna definitely be surrounding you know, quite a bit
of the new album that's the tribute.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
To my brother that I'm going to be engaging in,
you know.

Speaker 22 (45:42):
With the potential of maybe one, you know, a couple
of the ones from you know, older records. But you know, again,
to answer your initial question, it's very difficult to try
to pick and choose the songs that you know, as
for a set list, on the nightly basis when you
got you know, twenty twenty one albums. Uh, that's under
your belt, you know, but you know, of course, I
mean this new record is about to come out, so

(46:04):
I'm I will definitely be doing a lot of focus focusing.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
On that definitely. Now, I wasn't sorry for we're allowed
to talk about the new album on off, but can
you tell us a little bit about the new album.
You mentioned that it's a tribute to your brother, but
can you tell us a little bit about what we
can expect from the brand new album?

Speaker 22 (46:22):
Yeah, I mean intention of the energy as it had
been before with all the rest of the records, but
this one basically is the tribute to my brother, and
the songs are songs that my brother did and I'm
just giving it twenty twenty five vision through my eyes
and you know, just letting the well know that my
brother was a badass and you know, just giving homis

(46:45):
to him. And I thought it was time to do.
And the record came out wonderfully, came out of great.
Two singles have already come out, one featuring Buddy Guy
and Roosevelt Collier, the second one featuring Joe Bonamasa and
then you know, the record comes out on the on
the twenty ninth, and yeah, I'm very, very very excited

(47:05):
about it, and I believe that my brother is probably
somewhere looking down. I think, quite proud of what I
chose to do in honoring him. And you know, I
hope the word thinks the same.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
What did that feel for you personally being able to
record your brother's music as well? That must have been
something very very special.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Yeah, of course, of course.

Speaker 22 (47:26):
It felt wonderful to be able to, you know, do
something that was you know, bringing the world back to
the memory of my brother who's been gone for over
twenty years, and to trying to give light to you know,
the skill set of him and his gift that he
had as well before he passed away that you know,

(47:48):
he's a powerful guitar.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Player in his own right.

Speaker 22 (47:50):
So you know, some people might have not even known
of who my brother was. So hopefully this will bring
light to them of you know, the memory of my brother,
and you know, through you know, through my presentation, and
you know, it's just would be another chapter that's opened
for people that didn't know and also for people that
didn't know.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
Definitely now, Eric, I know we are running out of
time very very quickly. So I guess to finish off,
what would you like to say that our listeners out
there who are coming along to your shows here in Australia.

Speaker 22 (48:24):
Brace yourself. Get ready, guys. There's a storm coming through
and it's called Eric Gale, So get ready.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I started out witting nothing, bron I found the way
to make my drench up.

Speaker 15 (49:13):
You.

Speaker 18 (49:20):
I never seen it be eve there.

Speaker 9 (49:23):
It's just a part of lies that I had to
go on.

Speaker 10 (49:28):
Bold guys, to.

Speaker 11 (49:32):
Make it to the top up the mountains, it's gonna.

Speaker 12 (49:36):
Be a step class. It's gonna be.

Speaker 10 (49:50):
Lost thing.

Speaker 11 (49:50):
You can't think you way bay trying.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
To make it down that up on road, bold guy,
when you think you can't take it, you gotta stay.

Speaker 20 (50:06):
Stroll from one thousands.

Speaker 21 (50:10):
Oh yes, to make it to the top of the mountains.
It's gonna be a snik clsd It's gonna be a
snick class.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Uh yeah.

Speaker 11 (50:39):
Life can definitely be a steep climb, you know. And
also life continue to build the wild.

Speaker 9 (50:49):
A little exact.

Speaker 10 (50:50):
Wow, that is so I wanna talk about hour.

Speaker 7 (51:42):
I don't really any.

Speaker 11 (51:57):
Stay on the top of the mountain yeah, I know that.

Speaker 7 (52:02):
To speak, climbing.

Speaker 11 (52:10):
The one thing I have left you to we sweet
jump and USh us.

Speaker 20 (52:22):
To make it to the top of the mountains.

Speaker 11 (52:25):
To make it to the top of the mountains, To
make it to the top of the mountains, to make.

Speaker 21 (52:32):
It to the top of the mountains, to make it
to the top of the mountains.

Speaker 11 (52:38):
It's gonna be a steep clib It's gonna be a
steep clib.

Speaker 10 (52:48):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Why well, listeners, there is a tour coming up that

(53:58):
we know that a lot of you are very excited.
How do we know that because this band has already
been selling out venues here in Australia. I'm talking about Cleopatrick,
a band who have only been around for about a decade,
but have done a lot of amazing things during that
time and produced a lot of great music. So we
thought today to find out a little bit more about
this Australian tour, we would actually get Luke from Cleopatrick

(54:20):
on the band to chat all about it. So welcome
to the program, mate, Hey, thanks for having me. No
worries now, Luke. As I said in the intro, you
guys have been selling out venues left right, and Center
here in Australia. So tell us a little bit about
how excited you are about coming down Under for this tour.

Speaker 12 (54:40):
Oh man, it's very exciting.

Speaker 23 (54:41):
Like people have been kind of in our dms in
our comments for a long time asking us to come.

Speaker 12 (54:47):
To Australia and it's never really been in the cards
until now. I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I guess you kind of answered the next question I
was going to ask. Were you aware of the popularity
here in Australia that you guys have got or was
it a kind of a surprise when it was announced
that you'd sold out your Melbourne venue and had to
upgrade venues.

Speaker 12 (55:08):
I did think that that was that was surprising.

Speaker 23 (55:11):
I knew there would be people at the shows, but
I didn't really expect that, like we'd have to upgrade
any rooms.

Speaker 12 (55:16):
So yeah, it's just it's great now. I'm like, just
sure it's going to be in a picture. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So we kind of talked about the fact you guys
have been together for ten years now and it feels
like you've achieved so much. So, I mean, you've hit
that magical million streaming mark and things like that for
you guys in the band, tell us. What's how's it
felt over that last ten years watching things build and
build and build like this.

Speaker 12 (55:42):
No.

Speaker 23 (55:42):
I always heard, like people in bands say that they
can't believe it's been X amount of time, And I've
never felt that way until like, right in this moment,
we're I'm realizing, like, what that's crazy at ten years?

Speaker 12 (55:55):
I don't know. Yeah, it's really flown by, like.

Speaker 23 (56:00):
It's been made a lot of incredible memories, had a
really good time like refining our craft. And what's funny
is I kind of feel like we're just about to
hit our stride. Like I feel like we've done. We've
done like the foundation building, and now now is when
it all comes together.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yep. So you and Ian have known each other since
you were four years old. Did you kind of always
have that shared interest in music or was that something
that came a little bit in your teenage years.

Speaker 23 (56:33):
Yeah, we both always loved music and like learned to
play instruments pretty early on, and I guess, like you know,
we both loved the ideas of bands, but it wasn't
until high school that we had our band together. And
then right after high school that band ended and we
started this one.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah, A what was those early days like forming a
band in high school? Because I know we were. I
was the same here as well, and except I was
at a high school where unless you were into academics
or into sport, it wasn't a big thing. So having
a band was kind of like just the weird outsiders

(57:14):
with a band at the school. What was that like
for you guys forming a band in the school. Was
the school kind of a supportive environment for you or
did you kind of find the same thing that you
kind of had to go out of your way on
your own to get things done.

Speaker 23 (57:28):
I mean, yeah, starting a band in high school was
sick for us, Like it was just so cool. But
we were also at a school like sounds like just
like yours were. That's really not like the music program
was not what it's about. It was about rugby or hockey,
you know. But we had a music teacher named Rose

(57:49):
who became like our best friend and really like took
us under her wing and kind of kept us safe.
We got got a little flak from some of the
other kids were having a band and stuff. They didn't
think it was that cool, but you know, it is cool.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah, So that moment when you and Ian decided to
go out on your own and start working on your
on your debut EP and things like that. Talk us
through that journey, like that was a pretty big step
to take, just the two of you going out on
your own. What was that journey?

Speaker 23 (58:16):
Like, men, it was, but you know at the time,
like it didn't feel that crazy, Like we just both
knew like, well, we're not going to go to school
right now. We're not going to go to like college,
so what are we like doing when we like making music?
So like let's just let's be a band. Let's try
and play as many shows as we can. Yeah, what's
funny in hindsight is like remembering like how I would

(58:41):
go about trying to get us shows, Like I just
had no idea. I had no like mentors in the
music industry or anything. So it was really like just
taking shots in the dark and like absolutely grinding.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
And what kind of venues were you playing in back then?
Was it like bars like it is here or what
kind of venues were you're playing in?

Speaker 12 (59:03):
We played like in.

Speaker 23 (59:04):
Early days it was cafes kind of like that would
do like a punk show after hours or.

Speaker 12 (59:12):
Maybe in a basement.

Speaker 23 (59:13):
I used to rent a like event space, Like I
don't know they would do like stuff for retirees in
a space in Cobt If I'd rent it in the
summer and do like shows theres, we'd play in this
kind of big, open, blooming room, maybe get like sixty
kids out. Yeah, they never really felt like venues until
all of a sudden they were.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Yeah, so only two years later you were playing at
lollapal Loser. How did it go from playing those small
venues to getting asked to play at Lollapaloosa. Was that
because you guys were kind of getting noticed online and
things like that, And if so for young bands out there,
how did you go about doing that?

Speaker 4 (59:56):
Yeah, Like.

Speaker 23 (59:58):
We had a song low up on Spotify called Hometown,
which I guess when it comes to advice for bands
like that is a good song.

Speaker 12 (01:00:06):
So that's kind of like what worked for us.

Speaker 23 (01:00:08):
But also I did some like back end music industry
stuff where I had figured out like at the time,
there was like a head of rocket Spotify, and I'd
found out who she was, and I got her email
after digging through some blogs and stuff, and then I
sent her like this fake email.

Speaker 12 (01:00:25):
Where what was a real email? But I was pretending
to be a fan of.

Speaker 23 (01:00:29):
My band, and we probably had ten fans at the time,
so I was pretending to be one of those ten,
and I was just saying to her, like, you need
to check out Cleopatrick. Their new song Hometown is crazy.
You're gonna love it. And then like literally twenty minutes later,
I got an email back. We were in Spotify playlist,
and then from there it just like popped off, and
then we had an agent, and then like we had

(01:00:52):
a manager, and then we're playing Lollapalooza.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Wow. Like Hometown as a track, it is a track
that I absolutly love. It's got an honesty to it
where I think anyone who listens to that track can
kind of imagine that the imagery and everything that you
bring together in that track. And I've noticed that's gone
on throughout your career, that you've got this amazing storytelling
kind of element that so many modern songwriters don't seem

(01:01:18):
to have. Has that always been the case for you
as a songwriter, that you do have that honesty and
that imagery that seems to be able to make people
imagine exactly that they're going through. What the song is saying.

Speaker 23 (01:01:33):
Yeah, I think. I mean, if people feel that way,
that's great. I think that I've always strived for that.
I don't know if I've always achieved it. Like I think,
like our very first EP, it doesn't really sound like me.
It kind of sounds like more like the influences are
really obvious. But with like the Bois EP and our

(01:01:54):
first record Bummer, I think that I really discovered my
voice lyrically, and the lyrics matter like the most to me.

Speaker 12 (01:02:01):
It's like my favorite part about the songs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, and then with our new record, I.

Speaker 12 (01:02:06):
Feel like I was able to access something much deeper
and like paint.

Speaker 23 (01:02:14):
Paint images or tell stories that I wanted to tell,
but do it in a way that almost removed myself.

Speaker 12 (01:02:20):
It's more of like a global observer thing going on, and.

Speaker 23 (01:02:23):
It feels like, yeah, like I'm constantly discovering new language
and new approaches to like storytelling, and yeah, it's to
me that's like the coolest.

Speaker 12 (01:02:33):
Part about music.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Yeah, So you're talking about Fake Moon now, which again
is an absolutely amazing album. So have you had a
lot of people reach out to you after that album
was released and say that that certain tracks really spoke
to them or that they've gone through similar things. How
have you found that that fan interaction has changed a
little bit with that album?

Speaker 23 (01:02:55):
Yeah, I think that usually when we put on new music,
we have people reach out and say, like, you know,
X song meant this to me and here's why. And
it's always like so incredible to read those things because
often the interpretations are very different from what I even
was expecting, and it just makes like it kind of
reveals the true magic of music. But with Fake Moon,

(01:03:17):
I feel like the messages we got from people were
like deeper than ever before. I think partly because a
lot of our fans are growing up with us and
so they just kind of have more self awareness or
more to say, more to connect to, but also think
because the content of that music.

Speaker 12 (01:03:35):
Does go a little deeper.

Speaker 23 (01:03:36):
So yeah, it's like a really nice co sign when
someone reaches out and says like, hey, this like touched
me definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
And Fake Moon is such a special album as well.
How have you found the tracks off that album have
been going live?

Speaker 23 (01:03:51):
Well, man, I think it's so cool because like our
sets always used to be like pummel the audience with
riffs and like breakdowns and stuff and like me yelling
into the mic, and that was really fun. But when
we started to introduce like dynamics, dynamic breaks, when we
started to write some softer songs, we were able to

(01:04:13):
structure the sets to not only tell a deeper story,
you know, because it can't be just like times ten
the whole time, but also give people a little break
in the mosh pit so that they can come back
and like it, catch their breath kind of thing.

Speaker 12 (01:04:29):
Yeah, so I feel like it works really well.

Speaker 23 (01:04:31):
And there's also this cool like musical thing that happens
where it's like the old stuff we really play like
a garage band, Like it's like the amps are on
and it's loud and crashy and intense. And then for
the new stuff, there's some different equipment we use, and
we have two of our buddies come out and play
some of the rhythm section stuff with us, some sampling
going on, and like becomes kind of like futuristic and

(01:04:54):
the sonics of the show shift into this like surreal
space and we can take that and roll it back
to the garage band thing, and it's just really fun
to be able to play with these two extremes.

Speaker 12 (01:05:07):
I think it's like really added to our set.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
So with the tour of Australia, because it's the first
time that you have been here, what does that mean
for your set list? Like do you change things up
a little bit because you haven't been here before? As
you said, it sounds like your set list is working
perfectly at the moment. Do you leave it that way?

Speaker 23 (01:05:27):
Yeah, We're gonna give like we're gonna have a nice,
special crafted Australia set that's going to be like the
crash course in Cleopatrick, because, like you're saying, Australia's missed
out on a lot of like the live growth and stuff.
So I kind of want to I want to like
develop a set that gives the whole picture, all the ones,

(01:05:51):
the old and the new, and like just the greatest hits.
And I think that'll be really easy to do because
we've played so many shows and we know what resonates
with the out So like we're gonna give Australia the
best Clear Patrick shows of.

Speaker 12 (01:06:04):
All time for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Awesome. Now I know that you guys have got pretty
much show after so after SEW when you're here in Australia, Bet,
is there anything that you're hoping to do away from
the stage while you're here for the first time.

Speaker 23 (01:06:17):
Yeah, I think we're gonna land and then it's gonna
be a bit survival, you know, like just get the
shows going, like really focus on performing, and then we
finish in Sydney and we got two days off.

Speaker 12 (01:06:28):
Now. I don't know what we're gonna do with those
two days yet, but I.

Speaker 23 (01:06:32):
Think there's probably gonna be some beers, there might be
some ocean involved, and definitely some incredible coffee.

Speaker 4 (01:06:42):
As far as that.

Speaker 23 (01:06:43):
As far as anything else, I don't really know. I
might need some recommendations on Sydney vibes, but yeah, that's
the plan. Yeah, they like finish the shows and then
cut cut loose.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
You definitely need to try some of the coffee in Melbourne.
I'm not only because I'm from Melbourne, but we've been
told repeatedly that apparently our coffee in Melbourne is some
of the best in the world. We've got this kind
of alleyway culture here in Melbourne where there's a lot
of alleyways with creative graffiti and stuff on them. But
there's a lot of cafes as well in those alleys

(01:07:15):
that have to sell amazing coffee.

Speaker 23 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I'm really excited about that. I'm definitely a coffee
snob and I can't wait too Like it's like it's
like a music tour for me, but it's also going
to be a coffee tour because for a long time
I've been hearing about how exceptional Australian coffee culture is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
So definitely well may I know we are running out
of time very quickly, but I guess to finish off,
what would you like to say to people out there
who are heading along to these shows or are thinking
about heading along, What would you like to say to
your Australian fans.

Speaker 23 (01:07:51):
I guess if you've got to take it to a show,
I can't wait to meet you. It's going to be
so fine. And if you're on the fence book coming,
that's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
You know, do what you gotta do.

Speaker 12 (01:08:02):
We'll definitely be back.

Speaker 23 (01:08:04):
I also know that we've we've missed a lot of
important stops in I think people were saying West Australia.

Speaker 12 (01:08:13):
Yeah, I'm not super.

Speaker 23 (01:08:14):
Familiar with the geography, but obviously Australia is a big
place and we can't do it all at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
But we're gonna be back.

Speaker 12 (01:08:20):
To hit most places too, and uh yeah, do the
whole bang.

Speaker 24 (01:08:25):
Sure, quick books, working all the time, renting out your
mind and saving every time, cousins and off those combined,
because say your.

Speaker 11 (01:08:36):
Line from bucket change.

Speaker 12 (01:08:42):
To go mine.

Speaker 25 (01:08:46):
She says, she be down to hang out with the
pars out of town. She was open on around for
a party of vacant bay. Showed up and fellow without.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
A place, so up, all.

Speaker 25 (01:09:09):
Sex a mouthful, Ask me where I was him?

Speaker 12 (01:09:14):
Said I was gone.

Speaker 20 (01:09:22):
I don't reunize him. St it wasn't the time of here.

Speaker 9 (01:09:32):
You don't know what's the funny.

Speaker 26 (01:09:34):
Cant and talk if you can't take it too far off,
said I'm racing all my weekends, contemplating.

Speaker 9 (01:09:41):
If it's me and the boos really is race, I
don't even taste it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
I'm doing it if it's a race.

Speaker 10 (01:09:46):
Quickly and so.

Speaker 27 (01:10:01):
Let the sound girls on my graves your story in
a couple of days, so we off the cars rolling
out of here, say keep getting a way by in
the road, so should.

Speaker 12 (01:10:12):
Make it to all of my shoulders a week and ago.

Speaker 10 (01:10:15):
Girl, it's ship ut up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
You're money your finger.

Speaker 24 (01:10:20):
On my time, so I can't tease the locker.

Speaker 12 (01:10:25):
Well, this story out.

Speaker 20 (01:10:28):
To three clowns. After three days, I.

Speaker 11 (01:10:34):
Said, speak for everyone, all right, I said, what's.

Speaker 28 (01:10:41):
The tongue of people?

Speaker 10 (01:10:42):
I'm gont know you? What's the funny? Can't talk? You
can't take you to phone out.

Speaker 26 (01:10:47):
Saying I don't know sis no shills a sad.

Speaker 7 (01:11:14):
Said.

Speaker 9 (01:11:20):
Josie said, there's.

Speaker 29 (01:11:22):
No pets, no les, water sirt ain't no finally, no hotel,
there's some parts, no slater shirt at no finallying no no,
there's no pants on no no say there's some pets,
no no say I there's a present.

Speaker 30 (01:12:23):
Hello, welcome back to the show. I'm your host, Kyle,
And well, I'm going to be taking a quick look
at the latest Jackie Chan action film that is in
cinemas at the moment. It is called The Shadows Edge.
Now it's unfortunately a kind of a generic title, but
it's anything but a generic movie. Well, as I said,

(01:12:47):
it stars Jackie Chan, it's directed and written by Lara Yang,
and it is a remake of another film called I
in the Sky. Now, I have never actually seen that film,
but I don't think that anything was really missed by
me not having watched that one. Now. This film stars

(01:13:08):
Jackie Chan as a retired surveillance expert by the name
of Wong Tak Chong. Now he comes out of retirement
in order to help the modern police force who find
themselves completely outmatched by a local group of fugitives who

(01:13:35):
are carrying out a series of high stakes heists involving
cryptocurrency billions of dollars and well, the police are completely
out gunned by well the leader of this gang, a
man named Fu Lung Sang who is played by Tone

(01:14:00):
Lung Cafe Big Tony as some fans of Hong Kong
cinema may know the man as. Now, this man has
been a fugitive for over twenty years. And if Jackie
Chan's character is the ultimate cyber intelligence expert, then Tony

(01:14:22):
Lung's character is the ultimate counter intelligence expert. He has
never had a photo of himself being taken and really
he has been operating under the under the radar for
a very long time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:40):
Now.

Speaker 30 (01:14:40):
He has been working with a group of young orphans,
two of which are twin brothers, Zi Wang and Zi Meng,
both of who played by the actor c Shah. Now
one of them is who's favorite adoptive son, and the

(01:15:03):
other one is kind of the the tech support.

Speaker 28 (01:15:07):
And while.

Speaker 30 (01:15:10):
All of them, all of this entire gang are absolutely
at the top of the top of the top of
their game. Tony Lung's character is a brutal, brutal man,
a man who is has no problem resorting to extreme
violence when need be or in order to get away

(01:15:33):
from a situation which would be killing whoever he needs
to kill, including his own his own adoptive children. Now,
the problem is that this group of fugitives, they've managed
to control the police's current security and technology I in

(01:15:57):
the sky kind of their surveillance situation, the AI all
that kind of stuff. They pretty much have the police
system wrapped around their little finger. And so the police
need to go back to the old school ways of
canda surveillance, the way that things used to be done
before the before the days of computers and before the

(01:16:19):
days of AI. And that's where Jackie Chan comes in. Now,
among all the young surveillance officers that Jackie Chan is
working with in this movie is the character of he
Is You Go, played by Jiang Zifeang. Now she is
actually the daughter of character that Jackie Chan played his I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Think it was his.

Speaker 30 (01:16:47):
Now the film is a bit complicated, so excuse me
for this, but she's the daughter of one of his
former colleagues who Jackie Chan's character may have had something
to do with his his untimely passing with a potential
mistake that Jackie Chan made in the past. Now, this

(01:17:08):
movie is quite an interesting one because, I mean, the
thing that I think a lot of fans of Jackie
Chan movies know is that many of his movies aren't
extremely violent, and this film actually carries an AME rating,
And so I to be honest, I didn't actually know
what to expect going in. I didn't know whether it

(01:17:28):
was going to be one of his like really hard
and gritty films or whatever. And I was actually kind
of intrigued because the first half of the film is
quite quite bloodless. Actually, it's kind of a very a
very slow paced kind of film about surveillance and counterintelligence

(01:17:50):
and tracking people and trying to make sure that you're
never you're never seen, you're never caught. It's a real
kind of a spy versus by cat and mouse kind
of kind of game going on there. Now, the thing
is that once Tony Lung's character is really pushed into

(01:18:12):
a corner. That's when things start to become really cut throat,
and he again he doesn't have any problem resorting to
violence and at that point, buttty much. About the halfway point,
the movie becomes extremely violent, like not quite the raid violent,
but a lot more blood leading than the entire first

(01:18:34):
half of the film.

Speaker 11 (01:18:38):
Involved.

Speaker 30 (01:18:39):
Now, the movie has a lot of it's got a
lot of melodrama to it, It's got a lot of
moving pieces. It's quite a complex story with a lot
of twists and turns, and these continue right up to
the credit sequences, which have some twists still even when
you think that the film has has wrapped up. But

(01:19:04):
it's one of Jackie Chan's best films as of late.
I mean, as an actor now in his seventies, I
mean one would be expecting him to slow down quite
a lot, and yet especially towards the latter end of
the film, it's actually quite quite impressive just how just

(01:19:28):
how just how agile Jackie Chan still manages to be.
I think it's also kind of interesting Tony Lung Cafe
as a big Tony or whatever you might want to
call him. I've never quite seen him in such a
villainous role or even I don't I've seen him in

(01:19:50):
action films before. I've seen him in many different films.
I know a lot of people, a lot of Western
audiences would know him from the Jane March Darring erotic
film The Lover from quite a few years back. I
think a lot of people will remember him from that,
but I don't think I've actually seen him in many

(01:20:13):
big action films. It's actually Little Tourney, the other Tony Lung,
who's kind of known for action films, but in this film,
big Tony is Actually it is an incredibly a brutal
role that he is playing in this film. It's very

(01:20:35):
he's very sinister, very intense, and it's kind of interesting
because throughout the entire film you never quite know what
he's up to, whether he's just this old man who's
trying to live a mellow life.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 30 (01:20:54):
Clashing of personalities between himself and Jackie Chan. They kind
of meat and bond under kind of kind of like
the movie Hate with ol Pacino and Robert de Niro,
but in this case, you're never quite sure how much
each character knows about the other. And so, yeah, it's

(01:21:19):
one that's got a lot of twists to It's got
a a lot of moving pieces. But really we're here
because it's a Jackie Chan film and you want some
kick ass action. And yeah, really the finale of this film,
like the last maybe half hour or so, is just
crazy action, over the top gun fights, fist fights. It

(01:21:40):
really is. It really is quite something, quite something entertaining,
and well, I guess I just wanted to give a
quick quick thoughts on it, and yeah, I really did
enjoy this film. If you're a fan of Hong Kong cinema,
if you're a fan of Jackie Chan's Hong Kong films,
I've really recommend it because, yeah, this is probably one

(01:22:02):
of the one of the best, one of the best
Hong Kong movies that Jackie Chan has made in quite
a while. Larry Yang, actually he deleted the Jackie Chan
film right on, But while that was much more of
a family film, this is, Yeah, it's something it's much

(01:22:24):
more for an older fan of Jackie Chan. I mean,
it's always great to see him kicking ass. But yeah,
as I say, it does get quite dark, it does
get quite violent, so it's not exactly one for one
for the kiddies, but overall, I'd have to say I'd
give this four out of five just as a fan
of a lot of Jackie Chance's earlier work and just

(01:22:45):
the Hong Kong cinema in general. Seeing Tony Lung in
this film playing such a bastard was it was really great.
And seeing that Jackie Chan still has it in him
to be to be such a such impressive action star
in his seventies.

Speaker 31 (01:23:03):
Uh yeah and yeah, it really was an entertaining film,
and I really do recommend it to a defense of
Hong Kong cinema.

Speaker 30 (01:23:11):
So four and five for me.

Speaker 29 (01:23:15):
To all my friends who are just like me, another
calling the big merchine on another victim of the industry.

Speaker 32 (01:23:21):
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the laws, your fat to everybody that is damning.

Speaker 20 (01:23:27):
And if you talk about.

Speaker 18 (01:23:29):
You talking enough story.

Speaker 11 (01:23:32):
Got a valley fall?

Speaker 9 (01:23:35):
Okay, cool, we report a time.

Speaker 20 (01:23:37):
Hallelujah to a ryde We gotta foolia.

Speaker 7 (01:23:40):
What the white rhymes?

Speaker 10 (01:23:41):
You are?

Speaker 9 (01:23:42):
My friends.

Speaker 20 (01:23:49):
To my friend, thank you.

Speaker 29 (01:24:05):
You know my friends who are just like he under
the face and never nobody.

Speaker 9 (01:24:09):
Who lies a cheap with the true tape free.

Speaker 32 (01:24:11):
We just told me nothing to me to a the
ws one can know everybody that's a measure ride.

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
Life is not but you roughing.

Speaker 33 (01:24:19):
You know, we just told me nothing today.

Speaker 9 (01:24:22):
Got a bellyful, I'm not that's that up?

Speaker 32 (01:24:25):
Okay, cool, We report to tie Hallelujah, get you a rhyme.

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
You gotta foolia with the white rhymes.

Speaker 10 (01:24:31):
You are my friends, and.

Speaker 20 (01:24:38):
You'll pick you you sat my friends.

Speaker 10 (01:24:45):
Exist for.

Speaker 20 (01:24:47):
Prick you.

Speaker 9 (01:24:49):
We'll pick you up.

Speaker 10 (01:25:12):
It's not gonna.

Speaker 20 (01:25:13):
About because we're not to be forgot in.

Speaker 32 (01:25:14):
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in that side lasts got nowt to the loss and.

Speaker 20 (01:25:20):
The fall head my friends, if you should for pick
a lot of my friends says.

Speaker 12 (01:25:45):
No.

Speaker 10 (01:25:45):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Well, listeners, We've got a tour coming up that we
know so many of you are very very excited about it.
It has been seven years since zebra Head have been
to Australia, but they are returning this October, and we
thought today to find out a little bit more about
this tour. We would actually get Ben from the band
on the phone. So welcome to the program, mate, thanks
for having me.

Speaker 12 (01:26:19):
Really really stoked to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
Man, So mate, tell us a little bit about this
Australian tour. How do you guys feel about heading back
to Australia after seven years?

Speaker 12 (01:26:29):
It has been way way too long.

Speaker 14 (01:26:33):
So many times we had plans to come back and
they all just kind of fell through, and then you know,
AJ hit us up and asked us to come back,
and we're like, dude, we have to take this chance
because it's been way too long and who the hell
knows if even anyone there is going to remember us,
so we need to get back now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Well, I don't think there's any problem with people remembering here.
You've got such a large fan base here in Australia.
And it's funny because when people start talking about how
long it's been since the band has been here, it's
like there was a little thing called a pandemic there
in the middle as well that I'm sure interrupted a
lot of your plans.

Speaker 14 (01:27:04):
Yeah, the pandemic wasn't exactly great for touring band's life.

Speaker 12 (01:27:08):
It kind of sucked. I mean, but I'm gonna take
a pity of myself. It sucked for everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Yeah, So what are you looking forward to about coming
to Australia. Is there something that you guys are really
looking forward to? Is it simply playing in front of
your Australian fans for the first time in such a
long time, or is there something else there that you
guys are really looking forward to as well.

Speaker 12 (01:27:32):
I mean, I love the shows in Australia, but I
gotta admit like just everything about being there.

Speaker 14 (01:27:38):
Like we're flying in a day early, and I think
we're going to try into Perth, and we're trying to
go to Rodney's Island because we did it last time
we were there, and just we're suckers for tourism. Yeah,
we love just being those dumb tourists that everybody hates,
taking photos everywhere and going to bars and you know.

Speaker 12 (01:27:58):
Being drunk and idiots all over the world.

Speaker 14 (01:28:00):
And it's we're lucky enough to have this job where
we get to see the world, and so we like
to take advantage of it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
And also, of course Rottney Astyland have got those damn
cute little quakers, which I'm sure you guys saw when
you were there as well.

Speaker 12 (01:28:12):
Yeah, there, they're awesome. This it was the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 14 (01:28:16):
And then we went swimming in like some bay there
and then we got out of the water and like,
oh yeah, someone died from a great white attack here
like last week, like a, well, thank god you didn't
tell me that before I got the water.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
And also a lot of people say as well that
that so many Australian cities, especially Melbourne and Brisbane have
kind of got that southern Californian feel as well. That
I'm sure you guys see when you come here.

Speaker 14 (01:28:43):
Definitely like to me, Australia is basically a cross between
Southern California and White Like it's it's pretty close, you know, yeah,
And so it's exactly up our alley of places that
we love. We you know, I don't live too far
from the beach here in Southern California, and I gotta
say I love the beaches in Australia's the water's much
more inviting temperature wise, so it's uh, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Yeah. Now I want to turn my attention to the
music as well, because of course, you guys are getting
awfully close now to your thirtieth anniversary. Is that something
that you've been talking about? How do you celebrate that
thirtieth anniversary and how does that feel to you? Knowing
that the band has been around for thirty years.

Speaker 14 (01:29:24):
Now, it's pretty it's pretty insane to think that we've
been doing this for thirty years. It's like I blinked
my eyes and it's already here, you know what I mean.
It's kind of a blur of a career that we've
had and it's something that you kind of forget.

Speaker 12 (01:29:39):
How long you've been doing it.

Speaker 14 (01:29:40):
And we just, honestly, we feel lucky, Like there's not
many bands that make it this long because we've you know,
we've had a lot of lucky breaks, and we've also
made some smart choices where we cut off ties to
all record labels and decided to be completely DIY and
we manage ourselves, do everything ourselves, so if there's something

(01:30:02):
that we don't like as a band, it's our own fault.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
What kind of pressure do you find with that as well?
Like there's a lot of bands in Australia these days
that are starting out and doing that where they'll stop
recording albums with no producer, I won't have a manager,
they'll do that themselves. What are the advantages that you
find of doing that and what are the disadvantages that
you find of going dy?

Speaker 14 (01:30:26):
For me personally with our band has been nothing but
advantageous because it's you don't need record labels anymore, and
you don't need some big manager telling you what you
need to be doing. You can follow the path that
you see for your band yourself, and it's it becomes
the path you take is the one that you guys
as a whole envision and you don't take some twist

(01:30:48):
and go down some route that you're going to regret
later because of pressure from anybody. So it's i mean,
if you want huge exposure and these kind of things,
I mean, sure you have to, you might have to
sign to a major label, but in the scheme thing,
bands are going to last longer and do better and

(01:31:10):
like themselves more if you take control yourself and just
go forward on your own. I mean, that's my personal take.
I'm not bashing anybody who's on the labels, but as
a whole. You know, when you hear people can complain
about airplay and Spotify and this and that, Sure they
should be paying people more, but the reason they're not
getting anything is because there's some corporate giant taking all

(01:31:30):
their money yeap. So it's the choice of you know,
just doing it yourself kind of has like a self.

Speaker 12 (01:31:40):
Empowerment to it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
Yeah. Yeah, So going back, going back thirty years, you
guys have got a very very unique sound, and it's
something that's always set you apart from the other bands
out there that did that make it difficult in the
early days to get noticed or to get shows and
things like that, or did it actually work in your
because you were such a unique sounding band that was

(01:32:03):
blending genres that it helped you get shows and to
get noticed.

Speaker 14 (01:32:08):
You have the weirdest thing for us, it's like we've
always had trouble fitting in anywhere. We're not really punk,
we're not really rock. We have a few SKA songs,
we're not really you know, so it's kind of hard
for us to fit in anywhere. And it's always been
like the open minded bands that have taken us on
tour in the past, like the Less Than Jakes or
you know, really Vicious or even some forty one has

(01:32:31):
taken us out a few times, and it's like it's
it made it harder for us to fit in anywhere safely.

Speaker 12 (01:32:40):
If that makes any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Yeah, yeah, it does, yeah, definitely. And of course you
guys have as well have become known over the years
for being a great live band and you've played at
some of the greatest festivals around the world. Tell us
a little bit about that side of the band. How
important was that to you guys to become a lot
I've bad that people talk about after going along and

(01:33:02):
seeing play live.

Speaker 14 (01:33:06):
Okay, I'll take that as a compliment, but you know
that our greatest thing is I think people come to
our shows and expect us to be drunk and hammered
and don't judge us as much because we are drunk
and hammered, so it makes it easier on us. But
like for us, the funnest part is the live show,
and it's the more you get the crowd involved, the

(01:33:29):
more routy they get, the more fun it is. You know,
if there's people flying through the air, it's always always
more exciting.

Speaker 12 (01:33:35):
So you look forward to those moments. You know, the
show is where being in a band all pays off.
So I freaking love it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Yeah. So with that craziness on stage, Ozzie is a
very very well known for being some of the wildest
audiences in the world as well. It shows if you
notice that over the years and if sorry, does that
add to your craziness as well? What the Ossie audiences
are doing.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:34:01):
It feeds off each other. You know, not only are
Ozzie's crazy in.

Speaker 14 (01:34:04):
The shows, but with the drinking also, And I really
appreciate that, Like what do you guys do the shoey
thing where people are drinking out of shoes and shit?

Speaker 12 (01:34:12):
Like I love that?

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Yeah, yeah, well and be expected to be asked to
do that, because I've noticed that shows recently that the
Ossie's loved to get our shoey shoey chant going and
then trying to encourage the entire band to actually do that.

Speaker 12 (01:34:27):
So yeah, what are the first times we were down there?
I didn't know about it.

Speaker 14 (01:34:33):
We were at sound Leave and there was an Australian
band and they were forgetting everybody to do it, and
it was like, what the hell is everybody doing? I mean, okay, well,
I guess we have to do this now. And it's
become a thing where it cracks me. How did that
ever become a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
I think it was actually one of our sporting icons
that did it first. I'm trying to think. I think
it was one of our Formula One drivers. He did
it after a race, like as a as a mad
kind of celebration because he was kind of in that
euphoria that he just want to race, and he took
his shoe off and put the champagne in it that
they that they gave him and drank it that way,

(01:35:08):
and then all of a sudden it just became an
Australian thing.

Speaker 12 (01:35:10):
So yeah, I mean I love it. I'll embrace this.
I think it's great.

Speaker 14 (01:35:16):
Yeah, especially the fact that you're doing it from other
people's shoes, so you're basically drinking the sweat of another person.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Yeah, it's And the funny thing is now that a
lot of celebrities here in Australia have realized the popularity
they get when they do a showy. They actually cheat
these days, so if they're doing a live event, they'll
wear a pair of shoes that have never been worn before,
so they've only been wearing them for a They've only
been wearing them for a few minutes when they actually

(01:35:43):
do the showy. So it's yeah, it's become this kind
of thing now where a lot of people will look
down at the feet of the person and see whether
or not the shoes look old before they asked them.

Speaker 12 (01:35:52):
To do it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Just so that it's a genuine shoey and not a
manufactured moment.

Speaker 12 (01:35:58):
I love it that it's durn thing where people are
trying to pull one over on people. I don't agree.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
We're such a weird country for that too. Like a
lot of our stuff does come from our sports teams.
Like we're one of the only sports teams in the
world that when our sports teams run out, they're not
wearing the colors of our flag. If you notice the
AUSSI sports teams normally wear green and gold, that was
because one of our America's Cup entrance decided to go

(01:36:26):
green and gold so that their boat didn't look like
the New Zealand flag. It's like, it's so weird how
stuff takes off here in Australia.

Speaker 14 (01:36:35):
Hey, if something works, don't fix it. That's that's what
I always say. And going back to the shoey thing,
I guess I think the whole trick of not caring
if it's someone else's shoes, you just need to be
plaster or drunk ahead of time, like then you just
you don't give a shit about anything exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
And that's going to lead me to my next question. Now,
what do you guys think about it of Australian beer,
because we like to think that we've got the best
beer in the world here.

Speaker 12 (01:36:58):
I mean, I love it.

Speaker 14 (01:36:59):
I don't discriminate it against beers though. I anywhere I go,
I try to drink local beers so that it makes
it like an authentic experience. They tend to stick more
to rum and cokes because you know, like you feel
more like a pirate. You travel around the world being
a pirate, you might as well drink like a pirate exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:37:19):
And see, our beer is another thing where we pulled
the wool over the rest of the world because somehow
Foster's managed to tell the entire world that everybody in
Australia drank Foster's. And if you asked most people, if
you asked most people in a pub here in Australia
what Foster's meant to them, they would say it tastes
like peace and I don't drink it.

Speaker 12 (01:37:41):
Yeah, that's the all over.

Speaker 14 (01:37:43):
Like the first time we were there, I was blown
away that no one actually drank Fosters at all. Yeah,
And it makes it seem like their commercials make it
seem like it is the golden child of Australia.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Yeah, and I understand that you have an Australian themed
restaurant there in America as well, which serves food that
none of us.

Speaker 12 (01:38:00):
Seat, which is that the Outback Steakhouse?

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Yeah, I think so. I think that there's another one
as well. It gets mentioned in movies all the time
and for some reason they think we eat something called
bloomin onions and that's not even a thing. That's not
even a thing here.

Speaker 14 (01:38:17):
That's out back steakhouse. You know, those bloomin onions are
actually pretty solid. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you
the truth there. They're really delicious.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
Yeah, but yeah, it's weird because we see that in
movies all the time and people like walk up to
Aussie's and say blueminn onion and people are like, what
what does that mean? Like it's yeah, it's not even
a food here.

Speaker 4 (01:38:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:38:38):
You guys do the pie shops everywhere, right, Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
So we have a chain now called pie Face and
they have so many different pies. You can get curry pies,
fish pies, just about everything. So yeah, everyone.

Speaker 12 (01:38:52):
Always gets excited for that. That's amazing drunk food.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
We'll see the go to Aussie food well, it's not
aussy food. But the go to for Ozzie's when we
get drunk at the show is kebab's for some reason.

Speaker 12 (01:39:04):
Oh, that's like a super UK Mainland Europe thing too.

Speaker 14 (01:39:09):
Like you you get hammered and you want a kebab
so bad, and the next day you wake up and
you're like, oh god, what did I do?

Speaker 11 (01:39:16):
Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
And they've cotten onto it too, So you always get
kebabs food trucks now outside live music venues across Australia.

Speaker 12 (01:39:24):
Oh, that's so solid. In the States, you don't really
get kabobs anywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 12 (01:39:32):
Here's your poutine too, right, yes, yeah, yeah, yep, yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:39:36):
You poutine here. Nobody knows what it is in the States.
It's like in Canada, it's a big thing, but in
the States nobody, nobody has any clue.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
Yeah. Well, we even have arguments in Australia about what
you call different foods going from state to states. So
we have a thing here which is basically a battered
potato fritter, and in my state we call it a
potato cake, but in New South Wales and Queensland they
call it sculpt's potato and it causes massive fights online.

(01:40:07):
If someone goes, I've just eaten a potato cake, you
have all these people from Queensland going, that's a sculpted
potato That's that's not a potato cake. It's really weird
what we fight about in this country.

Speaker 14 (01:40:17):
I mean, hey, if that's the gist of a fight online,
it's a lot better than a lot of the flights
to go in home these states.

Speaker 12 (01:40:23):
So I'll take that one any day of the week exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
So may I have to ask to bringing it back
to the shows? You guys have got so many amazing
hits over the years. How do you put together a
set list for when you come to a country like
Australia that you don't get to very often.

Speaker 14 (01:40:38):
I love that you're calling them hits. We like to
call them missus.

Speaker 12 (01:40:42):
We honestly we base our set list off like Spotify
is this feature where you could check the.

Speaker 14 (01:40:47):
Most streamed songs in countries, and we kind of try
to tailor of the set list to make everyone happy,
because you know, there's nothing worse than going to see
a band play and have them not play any songs
you actually listen to. Yeah, we attempt to curate the
set list based off like the most stream songs.

Speaker 12 (01:41:05):
Yeah, country and one of the times to be a
little responsible in life.

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
One of the things that our listeners have been asking
me to ask you as well. We put up online
that we're interviewing you today and that the overall most
popular things seem to be are you guys working on
any new music at the moment, because people have noticed
it's been a little while since the last album, Now
are you working on anything special?

Speaker 14 (01:41:31):
We actually go into the studio probably the next it's
the following week after geting getting back from Australia, okay, immediately.

Speaker 12 (01:41:39):
After the tour.

Speaker 14 (01:41:40):
We go in and we start working on stuff, and
we still haven't decided, like is it going to be
an EP, Is it going to be an album?

Speaker 12 (01:41:46):
Is it going to be an EP?

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
And an album?

Speaker 14 (01:41:47):
Who knows what we're trying to make. Next year like
a big year for releases for us, So if stuff
doesn't turn out shit, it'll probably be more than less awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Well, mate, I can see that we're running out of
time very quickly, So I guess to Phoenish Off, what
would you like to say to all of your Australian
fans out there before they come along to these amazing
shows in just a few weeks.

Speaker 14 (01:42:09):
Thank you for still carrying after us not coming for
seven years. And uh, we can't wait to hang out
and and and drink some of Australian beer together. And
then I'll sneak into rum shots for everybody.

Speaker 20 (01:42:21):
I gotta draw a friend.

Speaker 9 (01:42:22):
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that's what the bronnet want to make my mort takes
a warm with this foone. But all this out in
my hand.

Speaker 29 (01:42:30):
And shut out all the world around me, as the.

Speaker 20 (01:42:37):
Pressures going, Yes that journeys, shut.

Speaker 7 (01:42:41):
Up, get up, they got us.

Speaker 9 (01:42:44):
Take my word, I sow jet up, get up, and
they got tis money.

Speaker 20 (01:42:50):
All my cat.

Speaker 10 (01:42:57):
Re out.

Speaker 32 (01:43:00):
Want to carey body outside, said the pain sound, and
try go on a five ths.

Speaker 33 (01:43:07):
And shout, pias you all.

Speaker 10 (01:43:14):
You never go. I got a hornache might.

Speaker 9 (01:43:22):
Said, you're ready eat?

Speaker 10 (01:43:23):
What's on the time?

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
I want to escape me.

Speaker 9 (01:43:26):
I want to play choc I n see you, I know,
But all of a sudden in my head.

Speaker 20 (01:43:29):
It's riding all my direction on the one way street.

Speaker 9 (01:43:34):
We'll be trying to flood with spreep. Now the father
helped me chant up, get up at the drug chess long,
get up, Get up, Take my heart in my soul,
try to get up at the drug tess and on
I don't like cat.

Speaker 32 (01:43:51):
Three Boss you different us song the Josie Can We
shouts all I want to.

Speaker 10 (01:44:00):
So he's titled Cathreebody side fad.

Speaker 20 (01:44:03):
Shot, try for a fire burn ran to shout the air.

Speaker 33 (01:44:09):
Yeah, my father.

Speaker 9 (01:44:21):
Had told them mistakes. If it don't gets on the
log and you don't get a shut up, already a block.
It's already the block and already.

Speaker 7 (01:44:28):
Shout it out.

Speaker 9 (01:44:29):
Let us go, let us go, let us go, let
us go, let us go, let us go, let us.

Speaker 6 (01:44:37):
Go get up, get up.

Speaker 9 (01:44:40):
Let the drud chats with you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:41):
Everybody else needs to see two different eyes from the
yells I'm working in.

Speaker 9 (01:44:48):
We shout to the anthem off our.

Speaker 20 (01:44:50):
Lives a fide Catherine by a side tailed the pain.
He shut the try for a five third.

Speaker 33 (01:44:58):
To shout their.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Okay. Well, now I'm going to talk to you about
one of the films of the year. This is Darren
Aronowski's brand new film called Court Stealing. And I don't
say this lightly because Aronosky has made some great movies
over the years, including Black Swan. He was the writer
for Requiem for a Dream, but this may well be
his best film. Set in the nineteen nineties, Court Stealing

(01:45:49):
revolves around Hank played by Austin Butler.

Speaker 12 (01:45:53):
Who.

Speaker 1 (01:45:55):
Is someone who's kind of used New York as an escape.
He lived in a country town. He was destined to
become a brilliant baseball player, but unfortunately he had an
accident in which he not only wrecked his own leg,
but he also killed his best friend. He left the town,
came to New York, and he's kind of hiding there

(01:46:16):
in a sense where he does talk to his mother
played by Laura Dern every day, but kind of uses
New York as an escape. He's working in a bar.
He's in a relationship with von played by Zoe Kravitz,
but he doesn't really let anybody know too much about
him and especially about his past. Now things turn upside

(01:46:38):
down for him when he's asked by his neighbor Russ
played by Matt Smith, to look after his apartment while
he's away. Hank he is a noise outside and goes
to find two Ukrainian mobsters trying to break into the apartment,
and the result is he gets bashed, bashed really, really

(01:46:59):
badly that leaves him with some permanent scars. Undeterred, he
still tries to look after the apartment, but finds that
the mobster's return, demanding to know more information about a
thing that he doesn't know about. He ends up finding
a key though, that has been left in the kitty

(01:47:19):
litter of the cat that he's looking after for uss,
so he tries to work out what this key is.
He even speaks to Detective Roman played by Regina King,
but to no avail, and soon those mobsters are joined
by other mobsters who do something completely unthinkable to Hank.
From then on, the movie becomes kind of a John

(01:47:40):
Wick film, but Hank is no John Wick. He can't
shoot someone who's useless at fighting, so he's kind of
got to use his smart so in a way, this
becomes a very guy Ritchie esque film, very much like
lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels like that, where Hank
has to use his smarts to try and get out

(01:48:00):
of this and it's becoming a worstening situation. There are
twists and turns all the way through this film that
are just completely brilliant there are even the unthinkable thing
that happens to Hank. I don't want to talk about
it and do a spoiler here, but you don't expect
that that's going to happen. And that's all the way

(01:48:21):
through this movie. You'll learn things about characters that you
don't expect. It is just one of those movies, but
it's also a very creative film. You might think, as
I see here talking about it saying it's a John
Wick movie where the guy can't fight and can't kill,
that it becomes a boring movie. It doesn't. This is

(01:48:43):
a very very witty film. It's very creative to the
point where as I said before, there's Ukrainian mobsters, but
the other mobsters that appear in this movie in a
arguably dangerous more dangerous are Jewish. So it's like Aaronsky
really plays around and kind of gets out of that

(01:49:06):
area where you would expect him to kind of to
kind of go into the stereotypes to make this movie work.
He goes out of all of those moments and instead
delivers a film that is just a very very special film. Indeed,
now going further into this movie, you do find that

(01:49:31):
this film uses its intelligence to its advantage. This becomes
a movie where you're kind of hanging on baited breath
to see what's going to happen throughout the film, and
that works to the film's advantage. It's also a very
New York film. It's kind of like a Spike Lee

(01:49:53):
feel to this film. It's completely different to anything that
Darren Aronosky has ever made before. But at work, it
takes you on a ride. You don't want anything to
happen to Hank. You also don't want anything to happen
to the cat, who is played by a cat called Tonic,
who becomes a very important part of this film as well.

(01:50:15):
It's a very New York film, and I think that's
one of the reasons why I love it. I love
the city of New York, and films like this just
just make me want a visit. It's just it is
that kind of movie. But also the acting here is amazing.
Austin Butler, it's gone from strength to strength. Of course,
a lot of people discover him through the Elvis movie

(01:50:38):
and then he went on to do Steven Spielberg's World
War Two epic film epic mini series as well, and
he's just become one of those actors that is just
absolutely amazing at what he does. Regina King is great
in this film as well. Zoe Kravitz is absolutely amazing

(01:50:59):
playing her role as well. This is just one of
those films where everybody seems to bring their A game
to it, and that helps this film immensely, especially considering
that it's already being helped by all these twists and
turns and suspense all the way through it, and a
wit as well that Charlie Hustin has brought into this

(01:51:20):
as a writer. This is one of the movies of
the year for me. I really really loved Court Stealing.
I don't know what else I can say about this
movie except for the fact if you like a guy
Ritchie film, if you like a smart kind of crime
thriller with a little bit of comedy thrown in there
as well, you are going to absolutely love this film.

(01:51:42):
It's got an amazing soundtrack as well. It's one of
those films that you're going to want to go out
and grab the soundtrack as soon as you've seen it.
It's also got a bit of a love affair with
baseball as well. Hank is a huge baseball fan, and
that plays out throughout this film, but I don't know.
It kind of captures that magic of Woody Allen movies

(01:52:03):
with New York as well. But yeah, definitely. If you
want to see Darren Aronowsky reveal his guy Richie side,
go and see Court Stealing. This is one of the
movies of the year. It's one of the smartest scripts.
Austin Butler is brilliant. I'm giving this five out of five.
It is on a general release, so go and see
it at a cinema near you. I'm giving Court Stealing

(01:52:24):
five stars.

Speaker 12 (01:52:32):
Like you.

Speaker 20 (01:53:13):
Let me seas.

Speaker 10 (01:53:29):
Love food, just to give you the tril me a
little pill in.

Speaker 6 (01:53:37):
The fashoe field, the fashion food, my.

Speaker 9 (01:53:43):
Fred task, I love my Coca.

Speaker 18 (01:53:50):
Cates.

Speaker 6 (01:53:54):
Come out.

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To complicati.

Speaker 20 (01:54:16):
Seas do say.

Speaker 10 (01:54:54):
Say as a little so.

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
Well as a.

Speaker 31 (01:55:55):
Hello, Welcome back to the show Hoes, Kyle. I'm joined
by David Well. We're going to be talking about the
long walk and well, laziness and lethargy and apathy. These
are the dragons that must be slayd to bring back
prosperity in America in the wake of this devastating war

(01:56:15):
now in the United States, lays in ruins. There's famine,
and there's a great depression, and the entire country own
desperate need of motivation. And the solution to this is
the Long Walk. It's an annual, voluntary, so called contest
where fifty young men are drawn via a lottery to

(01:56:39):
embark on a hike across the wasteland. Now, the rules
are simple enough. They need to walk maintaining a speed
greater than three miles an hour, which to us in
real speed is about four point eight kilometers an hour,
until you are the only contestant left standing. The unfold

(01:57:00):
the thing is when you are eliminated. You are eliminated
via a gunshot to the back of the head. Now,
the entire competition is overseen by the trying to remember
what the major. Now it's the Major played by Mark Hamill.

(01:57:21):
Now there's fifty boys competing, boys like Raymond Garretty number
forty seven played by Cooper Hoffman, Peter mcvreese number twenty
three played by David Johnson, other ones like Gary Barkovich
number five played by Charlie Plummer, and several others. As

(01:57:45):
the boys make their way mile upon mile upon mile
days one days, the numbers start dwindling. The reality of
their situation really hits them hard, and Well, they start
to bond with each other, but knowing that in the
end there can be only one and in order for

(01:58:09):
them to survive, they're going to need to see their
friends have their brains blown out. So, David, this is
a story written by Well, the book that it's based
on is written by Stephen King. It was written I
think in nineteen eighty five under his pseudonym Richard Backman,

(01:58:29):
which yeah, he used to because at the time he
was kind of just known for horror stuff, and so
he wrote this under his pseudonym, of which he used
to try to write kind of completely different stories, which
I actually find some of Stephen King's most interesting stories
were the ones that he wrote under Richard Backman. This

(01:58:52):
is one that myself and my brother have actually been
thinking for almost twenty years. Would Well, it's a film,
and it's one that's been in production for a long time.
Different directors have come and gone, and the director of
the Hunger Game sequels, Francis Lawrence, has finally brought this

(01:59:15):
film to production. So well, David, what did you think
of The Long Walk?

Speaker 1 (01:59:21):
Yeah, look, this was an interesting one for me because
when I heard the premise of it, and I think
I actually had read the Stephen King story a long
time ago. I remember when I was at UNI, I
had a short story omnibus of Richard Backman, and I'm
pretty sure i'd read it back then. But I was

(01:59:41):
kind of worried when I first heard about this because
I was thinking, how do you make this good cinema?
Like you're basically watching people on a walk kind of thing.
I mean, Francis Lawrence had an advantage with The Hunger
Games because it's basically like a war between people kind

(02:00:02):
of things, so it's a lot easier to be able
to film it, whereas with this, I was like, how
do you film a long walk where after a while
people start getting shot? Like at some stage it's got
to get boring, like with the way that it was.
So when I went into this, I was kind of like,
And I saw this before the first trailer had come out,

(02:00:23):
So Kyle and I saw this at different screenings. I
saw it at an interview screening and Kyle saw it
at the media screening.

Speaker 31 (02:00:29):
So I've only just heard about it and you've seen.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
It, like I hadn't even had a chance to see
a trailer or anything, and I was like, I was
actually like, on the day I was going there, I
was like, I love Stephen King's stuff, but how do
you make Walk interesting? But I find I found that JT. Molino,
the screenwriter, does a really good job at doing that
with this, because within five minutes of the Walk starting,

(02:00:56):
I was already starting to barrack for people, Like the
key to make this movie work is to make you
hate some characters and to like some characters, because yeah,
it's not the most visually stimulating movie that I've ever seen,
but the key to making this work is to have
characters that you want to barrack for. And to be honest,

(02:01:20):
the dialogue in this is actually pretty good, the dialogue
between the different characters. It works like it almost feels
like an old school Steinbeck novel or something like that,
with the dialogue of the different guys telling their stories
and how they've ended up on this walk. And it's

(02:01:43):
kind of like Harry Potter in the sense that, yeah,
it's got this character who's a real prick and he's
the Malfroy and you kind of hope that he gets
shot at some stage, but yeah, It's interesting because when
you compare this to The Maize Runner, which is a
series that I love, they're very similar in the sense
that with The Maize Runner, Yeah, there's action and stuff

(02:02:05):
like that, but it comes down to characters. Yeah. If
you don't care for those characters, you don't care for
what's going to happen with the movie.

Speaker 31 (02:02:13):
Yeah, I fully agree. I mean this one the posters
that I've seen have really kind of focused on three
people like Stephen King of course, Francis Lawrence's director.

Speaker 12 (02:02:24):
And JT.

Speaker 31 (02:02:25):
Molner as the writer. And you can definitely see why
because I one hundred agree with you. If it wasn't
for the script of this movie, it would be terrible.
It wouldn't matter how interesting Francis Lawrence tried to tried
to film it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:43):
If it wasn't for the.

Speaker 31 (02:02:44):
Script, there's no there's no interest in the film.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
And I mean JT.

Speaker 31 (02:02:51):
Molner directed a movie that we saw camem it was
this year or last year. It was last year last year,
Strange Darlings that you and I both loved. And I
think he's I don't want to say he's come out
of nowhere because he has done work in the past,
but it was odd seeing a movie as great as

(02:03:11):
Strange Darlings and for me to have never heard of
this writer director before and now he's written this The
Long Walk, which many people are saying is one of
the best adaptations of a Stephen King story, like up
there with the Shawshank Redemption and the Green Mile and
the ones that aren't horror based, based on monsters or

(02:03:34):
anything like that. That just really kind of the other
kind of really interesting idea is that Stephen King has
come up with and for him to be able to,
as you say, take a story, have all the characters
in it and it's a more or less an unrelenting
deluge of just them walking and talking and that's the

(02:03:57):
whole movie. There's not like massive action scenes, is I mean,
there's a couple of skirtschine.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
Yeah, there's a.

Speaker 31 (02:04:04):
Few fights and a few like but it's still like
a really dramatic, really really impactful movie. It's like there's
fifty people going to have their brains blown out or
forty nine by the end of the movie at least,
And at the same time it never kind of loses
some impact.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
The dialogue reminded me, I know, we were talking about
this before off air, but the it reminded me of
the dialogue in the Friday night Lights television series because
the first time I saw that show, I thought it
was a reality television show because it's kind of filmed.
The pilot is filmed with a Texan television network getting

(02:04:45):
to know this team, and I thought it was a
reality television show about a real football team because the
dialogue was that natural between the characters. It's like that
with this, like you, this almost feels like theater rather
than film, because quite often with film, dialogue will be
stilted and you kind of watch it and you go,
people don't talk like that, But people do talk like

(02:05:08):
these guys talk like I remember when I played football,
we used to go on what they called hell runs
where you basically had to run for like ten k's
flat out. These conversations would come up like in those
hell runs, Like it was, Yeah, it's so natural with
the way that the guys talk, and I'm sure this

(02:05:30):
is something you're gonna mention later. It shows how natural
that dialogue is and it kind of exposes somebody else
for how unnatural their character is because of how natural.
But did you find like I'll openly say it. I
was barracking for Ben Wang's character, Like there was just
something about him that I like, did you find that though,

(02:05:51):
that you picked the character and went, I hope that
guy wins.

Speaker 11 (02:05:54):
I think so.

Speaker 31 (02:05:55):
Yeah, Like there's it's just a movie that's so full
of personalities, and like none of the characters that the
film focuses on feel like they just Okay, that's like
all of them are the same or whatever. It's like
everyone's kind of like an individual. They're all interesting. Even

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the character of Bokovic played by Charlie Plummer, who is
like the prick character, even him, like you as like
early on in the movie when you the first things
that he says, it's not like he's not being a
prick at the start, he's like trying to be friendly

(02:06:36):
with people. It's just like eventually he becomes he kind
of slots into that role of being this antagonistic force,
and then even that has turned on its head again
by the end of the film where it's like, no,
all of these characters are in this together. Yeah, I
definitely I felt myself like rooting for certain characters. I

(02:06:58):
thought that, and he.

Speaker 1 (02:07:00):
Found it interesting seeing him like that because he's been
in so many movies over the years that I've liked
where he's played the nice guy. Like he's in a
movie that probably not a lot of people in Australia
have seen, in a movie called Lean and Pete where
he plays a good character. He was in a TV
show called Looking for Alaska that I loved as well.
So it was weird seeing Charlie Plummer play that character.

(02:07:20):
But because of the way he was and how good
he was and how good his dialogue was, you hated
him from the get go where you're like, gee, I
hope that guy gets in the back of the head.

Speaker 31 (02:07:28):
And then like you're thinking, like this is part where
he's talking to the character of Peter and he's like, oh,
I've got plans for you, and you're thinking, like, what's
he what's he going to be doing for Like as
he planning to take himself down and take this take
this other guy down as well. But like the character
of Peter was one that played by David Johnson. It
was another great performance by him. He's the actor who

(02:07:54):
played the somewhat the broken android that was in Alien Romulus,
who like his performance many people think was like the
best part of that movie, that Alien Romulus film, like
the one, Like even the people that thought that that movie.

Speaker 4 (02:08:12):
Was kind of.

Speaker 31 (02:08:15):
Unimaginative, like that it was basically like just a whole
bunch of things that it had taken from the whole
Alien franchise. David Johnson's performance in that movie was great,
And here it's another it's another instance of him being
like just this like emotional core of the film and
one that kind of like it really shows the just

(02:08:43):
that the philosophies and stuff, all the different philosophies that
the characters have, and his is kind of like this
this one, like there's got to be a reason that
you're doing this kind of stuff. You know, You're not
just doing this because you want money. You're not just
doing it because you want to take a swing at
the battle of the big bad guy at the end
of the film.

Speaker 12 (02:09:01):
You know.

Speaker 31 (02:09:01):
But speaking of I hate to say that if there's
characters that I liked more than others, there's there's. Probably
the weakest character I think in the film was the
major played by Mark Hamill. And I hate to say
it because it's like it's not that Mark Hamill's like

(02:09:21):
terrible in the film or anything. He's just as he's
just as hammy and cheesy as you would expect Mark
Hamill to play him, because like Mark Hamill isn't an actor,
that's really I mean, he's known as he's known as
this character actor performance guy. Like it's it's funny that,

(02:09:42):
like I hadn't even seen the quote that you you're
brought up to me before that, Like, yeah, he kind
of decided to play this this character the way that
in the same way that he looked at playing The
Joker and Batman the animated.

Speaker 30 (02:09:57):
Series and various things.

Speaker 31 (02:09:59):
And it's like it's so fitting because it's like that
was the problem. You played it like a cartoon character. Yeah,
did you think the same?

Speaker 1 (02:10:07):
Yeah, it's interesting because like I actually put myself in
the shoes of if I was playing that role, what
would I kind of base it on? And I kept
on coming back to two, I reckon there's two ways
you could have played that character. You could have played
it the Ralph finds way from Schindler's List, where the
guy is just cruel and like does have a side

(02:10:30):
where he's kind of like, oh no, I'm a nice guy,
but then you see the cruelness of him. Or you
could have done it the way Harrison Yeah, or you
could have done it the way that Harrison Ford played
the role in Enders Game, where you kind of think
that he is a nice guy like that he's and
then yeah, for anyone that's seen the movie gets the
revelation at the end. But it's like, I would have

(02:10:52):
expected that role to be played either one of those ways,
like either you're going to play the cruel, cunning guy
or you're going to play the guy that wants the
kids to like him even though what he's putting them
through his hell. So yeah, it was kind of weird
that he kind of went with that over the top

(02:11:14):
style of I mean there's a lot of questions that
you have about that character in the first place as well,
like because it's like is he crazy, Like has he
got the apocalypse now? Ye kind of mentality where he's
done this so many times that he has started to
go crazy or yeah, I don't know, Like maybe if

(02:11:39):
that was the case, they need to show why he's
gone a bit loopy.

Speaker 31 (02:11:43):
Like because you don't really find out much about the
war or the back there's not a lot of backstory
to the thing, so he the major is basically the
face of this whole dystopian future, like the fact that
this one guy is the pretty much the even in

(02:12:05):
the film's like one flashback, which is something that I
like that there wasn't a reliance on flashbacks in order
to fill time, like the fact that it sticks to
the actual walk there's only one single flashback, and even
that I thought it was would have been better if
it was just in dialogue. But like he's the he's
like the the personification of the authoritative dystopian future that

(02:12:29):
these characters exist in, and I think it almost would
have been He almost would have been better, like the
character the idea of the major I think would have
been better if he almost wasn't even in the film,
like maybe if you, if you, if you saw them
maybe at the very start, and it never saw him again.
But again he it's not that Mark Hamill is bad

(02:12:50):
in the role. He's just he plays it as hammy
as you would expect Mark Hamill to play it, and
it's completely at odds with how serious every other character,
like Judy I think is Judy Grier, like she I
think is more known as a comedic actress, like she
has been for a long time, but she's amazing in

(02:13:11):
this as just his mother that's seeing a like her
son join a game where there's a ninety five percent
chance that's going to end with him with a bullet
in his head. And she's great in the part. It's
very serious, very heartbreaking like all of her scenes. And
she's the only female character in the entire movie too,
which is something. But Where's Mark Hamill? Just is like

(02:13:32):
a Saturday Night Live character and it doesn't fit with
the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (02:13:36):
Yeah, no, I agree, it's And that's what I said
before because the dialogue between the boys or the teenagers
or the man or whatever you want to call them,
because their dialogue is so natural and realistic, it kind
of makes his character stand out even more, which, like
I said, could easily be explained that he is crazy.

(02:13:58):
Like I mean, if you go back and watch a
pop ups now, it's the same like everybody else is saying,
except for the one character, and you can have that.
But yeah, maybe give an explanation for it if you're
going to do that.

Speaker 31 (02:14:13):
So yeah, so I mean it was. It really is
an interesting kind of film. Like I think that they've
definitely definitely pulled it off a lot better. Than it
could have been. The said even Frank Darrabant, the guy
directed Green Mile and at one point was going to
direct this. He had the rights to the film for

(02:14:34):
a while, but eventually they lapsed. Like even he I
don't think knew what he was going to do with
the movie, Like he thought he was thinking of being
like some weird abstract kind of they I mean, and
and he'd have the balls to kind of go there
if you've seen what he did with The Mist, like
especially the ending. He doesn't mind given an ending that

(02:14:54):
isn't a crowd pleaser, you know, but I think that yeah,
it it's it's a lot better. It really is a great,
a great adaptation of the book, and I think it's
probably as good as it can be. But David, what
would you give the movie out of five?

Speaker 1 (02:15:10):
And why yeah, look, I'm actually going to give it
four out of five. I really really do like the
screenwriting here, and I think it's kind of easily easy
to forget that. Yeah, Mark Hannill did the full Nicholas cage,
but the rest of the cast are so brilliant in this,
Like we we kind of like touched on a couple
of them, but Cooper Hoffman is fantastic in this. Ben

(02:15:34):
Wang is fantastic in this. Like even Charlie Plummer, even
playing the villain kind of character, he does it really
really well. Like you said, David Johnson, tout nat and
people like that. They are all great in this. It's
one of those films where you go back and look
at the cast and you're like, there's no weak link
here amongst the young guys. They all do a brilliant job.

(02:15:56):
So yeah, I'm going to give it four out of five.

Speaker 31 (02:15:58):
I'm right there with you. I'm going to give it
four out of five as well. It's really the the
the one week week part of it is, I think, well,
it's it's all to do with the major character, how
it's depicted, even to do with how the film. The
actual finale of the film, it kind of diverts a
bit from the book, which I can't falter too much

(02:16:22):
for diverting from the book, but I think it kind
of gives it feels like it gives an ending that's
trying to be a bit more of a crowd pleaser.
I guess when the like they didn't need to do that.
It's like a basically everything every problem that I have
with this movie has to do with the major I
hate to say it and it's like it's not I

(02:16:43):
I hate like I'm really just hang and hanging crap
on Mark Hamill.

Speaker 30 (02:16:46):
But yeah, that there it is.

Speaker 31 (02:16:48):
So four out of five for me, four out of
five from David. It really is a great film, and yeah,
for a Stephen King fan like it. It's another interesting film.
And considering it's the one of two Richard Beckman game

(02:17:10):
show movies with the Running Man that's coming out later
in the year, it's it's kind of an interesting one.
So definitely go out and check it out.

Speaker 4 (02:17:19):
When I.

Speaker 34 (02:17:21):
Well, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the man I'm
next to you when I go out, Yeah, I know
I'm gonna be.

Speaker 11 (02:17:29):
I'm gonna be the man.

Speaker 34 (02:17:31):
Who goes along with you and I get done, well,
i know i'm gonna be get strong next to you.

Speaker 9 (02:17:41):
By ye, I know I'm gonna be.

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
I'm going to be.

Speaker 2 (02:17:46):
You Miles and.

Speaker 10 (02:17:57):
Man stand fall that shot.

Speaker 12 (02:18:02):
So I'm.

Speaker 11 (02:18:04):
Because i know I'm gonna bee you.

Speaker 9 (02:18:06):
I'm gonna be the man who's working hunger you mind,
because I under I cat you.

Speaker 20 (02:18:13):
I'll pass almost every.

Speaker 12 (02:18:15):
Penny on to you.

Speaker 1 (02:18:17):
When I come ad.

Speaker 9 (02:18:18):
Come all, I know I'm gonna be me.

Speaker 30 (02:18:20):
I'm gonna be the.

Speaker 9 (02:18:21):
Man we'll come back over to you, my broke.

Speaker 35 (02:18:26):
I know i'm gonna be.

Speaker 34 (02:18:28):
I'm gonna be the man who's.

Speaker 20 (02:18:29):
Putting over you.

Speaker 14 (02:18:33):
Do a five hundred like miles and wanna do up
my hundred more.

Speaker 9 (02:18:40):
Mane one some thousand miles that.

Speaker 10 (02:18:45):
Shoot.

Speaker 34 (02:19:04):
When I'm moving, well, i know i'm going to be.
I'm going to be the man who's moving will you?
When I'm dreaming, well, I know i'm gonna dream. I'm
gonna dream about the kind of when I'm with you.
When I go out where, well, i know i'm gonna be.

Speaker 10 (02:19:22):
I'm going to be the.

Speaker 9 (02:19:23):
Man who goes along wagons. And when I come home
and I come home, I know i'm going to be.
I'm going to be the man you come back home
with you.

Speaker 1 (02:19:33):
I'm going to be the man who's.

Speaker 5 (02:19:35):
Coming I'm five month miles.

Speaker 11 (02:19:43):
And when I'm five months.

Speaker 10 (02:19:48):
That man what those and miles fall that sho.

Speaker 9 (02:20:25):
Well five my file, well five.

Speaker 1 (02:20:31):
Something not f.

Speaker 17 (02:20:52):
You keep saying you got something for me, something you
call love?

Speaker 19 (02:21:00):
What can't best.

Speaker 10 (02:21:04):
Here?

Speaker 35 (02:21:04):
You've been a messing where you shouldn't have been a
mess in, and now someone else is getting all your best.

Speaker 36 (02:21:15):
These boots are made for king, and that's just what
they'll do.

Speaker 12 (02:21:21):
One of these days, these.

Speaker 35 (02:21:23):
Boots are gonna walk all over you. Yeah, you keep
lying when you ought to be true then, and you

(02:21:43):
keep losing when you ought to not best do you
keep saying when.

Speaker 19 (02:21:51):
You ought to be a chain pen?

Speaker 36 (02:21:54):
Now what's right is right, but you ain't been right yet.
These boots are made for Hawkins, and that's just what
they'll do.

Speaker 12 (02:22:06):
One of these Daisies.

Speaker 35 (02:22:08):
Boots are gonna walk all over you.

Speaker 36 (02:22:22):
You keep playing where you shouldn't be playing, and you
keep thinking that you'll never get burned.

Speaker 9 (02:22:32):
Tack, I just found me a brand box of matches.

Speaker 36 (02:22:38):
Yes, and what he knows, you ain't had time to learn.
These boots are made for Hawkins, and that's just what
they'll do.

Speaker 18 (02:22:51):
One of these Daisies boots are gonna walk all over you.

Speaker 7 (02:23:03):
Are you ready boots.

Speaker 24 (02:23:07):
Dad?

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
Well, listeners, we are now counting down the days to packs,
and of course, something that is very much part of
packs these days is the Indie Showcase. And today we're
actually going to be chatting to Chris from EIGHTHA Mon
Studios about something very very special that they've been able
to put together called space Wreck Salvage and it is

(02:23:46):
one of the Indie Showcase winners for this year, and
we thought we would actually get Chris on the phone
right now to chat all about it. So welcome to
the program, Chris.

Speaker 12 (02:23:57):
It's a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
Is now Chris, I got to say congratulations on once
again being an Indie Showcase winner because you were back
in twenty twenty two as well, So tell us a
little bit about how it feels being a two time
win on our.

Speaker 12 (02:24:14):
I mean, it's such a privilege.

Speaker 37 (02:24:15):
I don't think you can really put it like, there's
no really words described the value of the past community.
So back in twenty twenty two when we won the
first time, we were new beat to this industry, We
didn't know what we were doing, and we won this
competition and the community just embraced us.

Speaker 12 (02:24:32):
That's the kind of thing.

Speaker 37 (02:24:32):
They kind of gave us the confidence for everything that
came after that. So to be back here in twenty
twenty five, three years later, it's kind of like everything
coming full sohole it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:24:43):
How difficult is it for you to get word out
about a game that you've developed, because I would imagine
you don't exactly have television shows queuing up to have
you on there as a guest or radio shows apart
from ours having you on as a guest, because that's
normally reserved for actors as a musician. So how difficult
is it to get word out there about a game

(02:25:03):
that you've developed?

Speaker 37 (02:25:06):
Well, I mean this is where events like packs are
just so important, a place where you know, it's so
well targeted. The people who really want to get out
there support India see the thing which other people haven't seen.
So the big thing we do is we travel all everywhere,
like we mean, I think three contients showing off our games.
Now we meet a Singapore, the UK and obviously you
know Australia is where we're from, so we represent there

(02:25:28):
pretty hard. And yeah, that's that's that's kind of the
main place that we reach our audiences. It's and I look, honestly,
it's in some ways it's the best way because you
actually get to see.

Speaker 12 (02:25:37):
People play the game.

Speaker 37 (02:25:37):
Like I mean, obviously, if you see and you know,
thousands of people playing your game who are boarded it
came out or something. You don't see their reaction when
they play when you set up a game and somewhere
like packs, you sit down, you show them the game.
You get to see their smiles when they walk away,
you know, and like the ultimate test is if they
buy it at the end.

Speaker 1 (02:25:55):
So tell us a little bit about where you're interested
in game development came from. Has it been something that
you've been passionate about for a long time.

Speaker 37 (02:26:05):
Yeah, I think like a lot of people, you know,
at least my generation grew up with games right like
we are, Like I'm a millennial, we're very game literate.
In my entire life in some way has always been
a little bit adjacent to games. You know, I studied
games in that university. While at university, I worked in
the poker industry, which is still in a still.

Speaker 12 (02:26:23):
A game not my tabletop games. But and then you know,
when the pandemic hit, you know.

Speaker 37 (02:26:30):
Like a lot of people, I end up having a
lot of time in my hands, so I kind of
pulled the trigger in some of those ideas that I had.

Speaker 12 (02:26:35):
And after the races, we are.

Speaker 1 (02:26:38):
So how did athan On Studio start? Because of course
you guys started back in the pandemic. So how did
that all begin for you?

Speaker 4 (02:26:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 37 (02:26:46):
So, like I said, my life has always been kind
of or somewhere circling around games. So when the pandemic hit,
I think, like a lot of people, there was just
all this creative energy all this time that wasn't spent.
So one of the things that I always wanted to
do is to you know, like make a love story
to our jugs. Right, these are the hand of the

(02:27:08):
games that I grew up with, you know, Final Fantasy,
Lucia Prokemon obviously is a huge reference for us, so
like to try and add something to that law It's like, hey,
you have nothing but time, let's do it. Let's find
a way to get those ideas out there. Let's add
something to this world.

Speaker 1 (02:27:25):
So what were those early days like like you, as
you said, you wanted to get something out there into
the world, and it was something that you were passionate about.
How did you find those ideas first starting to flow
and what were those first few meetings or get together
as like when you first started to come up with
ideas that you could put out there.

Speaker 12 (02:27:45):
Yeah, I mean that's a really good question. I think
everyone's going to have a slightly different answer.

Speaker 37 (02:27:48):
Like I think a lot of designers talk about whether you're,
you know, theme first or mechanics first. For me, it
was always about trying to recreate a feeling so that
that changes from gain the game. But for our first
eighth one game, it was very much trying to touch
that feeling of you know, likenk Like when you first

(02:28:08):
played Pokemon. You know, you get your starter and and
build up there, build up from there, like you have
your create a journey with the character. So we're still
working on that very big game there. But this one again,
Space Rex Salvage is kind of just about a sci
fi fantasy.

Speaker 12 (02:28:24):
You know.

Speaker 37 (02:28:24):
The idea is you're a scrappy captain putting together a crew,
trying to make it in the edges of space. So
I kind of started with a fantasy and then sort
of worked out what mechanics exist, what mechanics can we
subvert or improve upon that that that that developed that fantasy.

Speaker 1 (02:28:40):
So where did the idea for Space Rex Salvage come from?
Because because it's very different to what you've done in
the past, So was there something that kind of sparked
that interest in doing something very different.

Speaker 37 (02:28:53):
That was a bit of a bit of a design challenge. Actually,
my partner she basically I said, hey, what's the theme
for a game? And she said salvage, and I kind
of added the sci fi element because you know, space
is cool. Going from there, it was really awesome that

(02:29:13):
I fell into this reverse bidding mechanic where essentially what
you're trying to do, you're trying to send the smallest
crew to get there first, or the biggest crew to
collect the most stuff when it wreck becomes available, and
it creates a really interesting push and pull.

Speaker 12 (02:29:28):
Kind of stumbled on that one by chance. I feel
really lucky to have found that one.

Speaker 37 (02:29:33):
In regards to it being different to the rest of
our stuff, Yeah, we really wanted to fit it into
the eighth and one universe. We really did, but having
started with that for a fantasy, every time we tried
to rethme it's fit in the eighth and one universe,
it just it felt like something was lost. So we're
really leaning in now to this theme trying to build
this world up.

Speaker 1 (02:29:53):
It's really interesting hearing you talk because I come from
a background of writing fear and writing graphic novel and
writing film and television, so it's really interesting to hear
here you talk. And because of course you've got so
many different elements with a game like this, you can
you've got that characterization of developing a crew and developing characters,

(02:30:13):
but then you've also got the gameplay as well. So
when you first sit down to work on a game
like this, tell us the steps that you go through
to try and bring it into not into only into reality,
but also to make it a game that people can play.

Speaker 37 (02:30:30):
Yeah, okay, so I think I mean you tond on
something really interesting there that there are all these different
mediums and they have different superpowers in a way. You know, obviously,
you know, film, what you can do with visual visuals
are amazing. Music has kind of captured something in else.
I think the one thing that makes games special is agency.

(02:30:50):
You know, it's it's it's it's the only medium where
what the player, with the consumer of the media does
get effectually out on. So a lot of it is
trying to work out how can we put players in
a situation where they get to make the choices that
somebody in this world would make. So in our case,
the one of the key choices that aw game starts

(02:31:11):
with a draft The very first thing you do in
Space Rex Salvage is you draft your crew, you know,
so that gets you a kind of one. It creates
a very big mechanically and asymmetric game, which is lovely
because that's to that replayability. But in terms of the
player of fantasy, what it means is you're attached to
that crew. These are the guys you chose. When you

(02:31:31):
do something on a mission, it's because that's your crew.
So yeah, it's really trying to like optimize that player agency,
make them feel like they are responsible for the narrative
that they create.

Speaker 1 (02:31:43):
Yeah. So for me with graphic novels, I've got two
really close friends that I let read my stuff before
it goes anywhere, just so that I can get some feedback.
What do you do with something like like this game?
Do you have a close need of friends that you
get together and try and play out different options to
the game, or how do you actually go about testing

(02:32:04):
whether or not this is going to work or not?

Speaker 37 (02:32:08):
Right, So, you're talking about playtesting, and I don't think
you can really make a game without play testing.

Speaker 12 (02:32:13):
I mean, I'm sure people have tried. I'm sure I've
made that mistake of trying in the past.

Speaker 37 (02:32:18):
But yeah, like there's there's I mean, as you said,
you've got your probably alpha and data readers geographic novel.

Speaker 12 (02:32:24):
The same thing with playtesters. You need to get feedback.
The playtesters aren't always perfect, often not.

Speaker 18 (02:32:31):
Trying to.

Speaker 4 (02:32:33):
Well.

Speaker 37 (02:32:34):
Playtesters are very opinionated, which is very good, and you
need to be very good at facilitating that sort of conversation.
But playtesters also don't know your game, so you really
need to find a balance between letting them push and
letting them not. Like they're very good at knowing what's
not fun. Always listen to their problems, don't always listen
to their solutions.

Speaker 1 (02:32:53):
Yea.

Speaker 37 (02:32:54):
And in my case, I've been very lucky that a
lot of our playtesters, we have so many friends and
family who are close to us, could we have that
existing relationship with so they can kind of unleash their
criticism of this.

Speaker 12 (02:33:08):
But for other groups, I know some people they actually
just have they go to play as nice.

Speaker 37 (02:33:12):
You know, there there are produced deals I they call
them for indie designers to get together and that way
you actually get feedback from other designers, which can be
super useful.

Speaker 1 (02:33:22):
So aside from being a winner at this year's packs.
Tell us a little bit about what packs will mean
to you this year? What kind of things will you have.
They're at packs for people to sit down and touch
and feel and play, but yeah, what will you have
at packs this year?

Speaker 12 (02:33:41):
Right?

Speaker 37 (02:33:41):
So the biggest thing is obviously the game to play.
That's the big star.

Speaker 12 (02:33:45):
So we've.

Speaker 37 (02:33:48):
Unfortunately, because you're in the one table in this and
there is eighty thousand attendees at pass or something, you've
got to go to kind of move people very far
through very fast. So where we've cover game down to
popet science for packs. So instead of playing through rounds,
you'll play through three. It'll take about half an hour.
We can sit down up to five people at the
time and that'll be the main attraction. Aside from that,
we'll have a small atted merch to give away for

(02:34:09):
winners and stuff like that, but the main thing is yeah,
to down play. We'll be in the tabletop and showcase
and I'd love to see everyone there.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
Awesome, man. I guess to finish off what I you
guys at the studio got planned for the future, are
you already working on new projects? And also if people
do want to go out there and support you guys,
whether it be by playing games or anything else. What
can they do to support you and what have you
got coming up in the future.

Speaker 37 (02:34:38):
Yeah, so we have a lot going on in the future.
Obviously the one I said earlier, We do have a
big GRPG coming up in our Even One universe. But
one of the things we're really trying to innovate with
is actually to make sure we release all our games
with a digital version. That's not so much because we
need we want to become a digital studio, but because

(02:34:59):
onboarding players to indie games can be really difficult. You know,
some people really love learning rules, reading rule books and
stuff like that, but sometimes you have a group of like,
say four people, and all of them hate reading rules.
In that case, we're trying to give them a digital
version that can teach them the rules, take them through
the beginning of the game, and we want to have
that all Ava will evolve just through a web app,

(02:35:19):
just a simple QR code you can sit down and
start playing really quickly. So that's one of the big
innovations where we're really working on right now. If anyone
has played the digital version of our previous game, Eighth one,
Collect you can go to play dot eighth and one
dot com and you can start playing right away. But
if you want to support us in general, just go
eighth dot com. All that links are there. You can

(02:35:40):
subscribe to our newsletter and yeah, if you love what
we do, just give us.

Speaker 1 (02:35:44):
A shout awesome and make to finish off. What would
you like to say to people who are coming along
to PAXT this year, A.

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industry in Australia. And this is the one place where
they all come together. Your chance to see things that
that on in the market, the things that might not
get the mainstream coverage. So check them out because I

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check them out, because that's the thing you won't be
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Speaker 1 (02:46:44):
And that's it for this episode of Subculture meets the
Popcorn conspiracy Hallie. We just played three tracks there in
a row, and there was a special reason why we
played those three tracks. First of all, we played Day
and Night by Billy Piper. Now I think you might
know why we played that.

Speaker 2 (02:47:03):
I have an inkling it maybe to do with the
fact that she's going to be visiting for the convention
in Queensland.

Speaker 1 (02:47:14):
Yeah, that is correct. There's a brand new convention, pop
culture convention that's going to be in Brisbane also Adelaide
I believe as well, and Billy Piper is coming out
as the main guest for that. So if you're a
Doctor Who fan, Harley, I know you've got some questions
about her appearance in the last episode of Doctor Who,

(02:47:36):
maybe you should fly up and ask her a couple
of questions from the crowd.

Speaker 2 (02:47:41):
I think she probably doesn't know. I think that's the
popular consensus is that she was just thrown in there
and then you know, when the show comes back, they'll
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (02:47:56):
Because it can be surprising sometimes how candid they can be.
I remember a few years back now, David barn As
came out here for his news show, The Navy Seals Show,
and I thought nothing ventured, Nothing game. So I asked
the question from the audience whether he would ever consider

(02:48:16):
going back and playing Angel if there was a because
at the time they were talking about the show Faith Happening,
and he said no because he said he believes it
would be too difficult to play Angel or Angelus because
how do you explain the fact that he no longer
looks like a twenty something guy anymore. So yeah, he

(02:48:38):
gave a pretty surgeons like, you know, yeah, catch up.
So we also played We also played Evanescence in there,
and we played a cover for Harley because Harley loves covers,
so that was Evanescence covering Nirvana. That was because well,
they announced the tour that we were going to talk
about on the show, but then they sold it out

(02:48:59):
with the two minutes, So yeah, you may have to
look on some of the secondhand ticket sites in order
to get tickets to go and see evan Essence. But
we also played skid Row I Remember You. And the
reason we played skid Row is because one of our
very special guests on the show next week is actually
going to be Sebastian Bark, the lead singer of skid Row,

(02:49:20):
and he talks about everything In the interview, he talks
about the Australian tour that's coming up, where he's going
to be covering two of skid Row's most famous albums.
You also talked about his time on Gilmour Girls, because
of course that's celebrating it's twenty fifth anniversary this year.

(02:49:41):
But to celebrate having Sebastian Bark on the show, we're
actually going to do something very special next week, aren't we, Halley.
We're going to not only ourselves name who we think
are the most iconic rock artists and bands of all time,
but we're also going to get you, the listener, to
tell us who you think are the most iconic artists

(02:50:05):
rock artists from over the years. And if one of
your artists is selected and talked about on the show,
you might win a double pass to go and see
Spinal Tap two. The end continues, Harley, is that a
film that you're excited about.

Speaker 2 (02:50:23):
That will be awesome? I was literally just thinking about
the Spinal Tap, I think, yesterday, so it's very timely
that this should be coming up. Yeah, I think that's
a prize worth winning. And if you haven't seen the
original Spinal Tap, check it out right now you'll be
able to find it like anywhere. Such a great film

(02:50:45):
about a band that never existed but you kind of
wish they did.

Speaker 1 (02:50:51):
Definitely, So this week, let us know who you think
are the most iconic rock artists of all time, and
if we feature you in your suggestion on the show
next week, you will win a double pass thanks to
Sony Pictures to Spinal Tap Admit to It is in
cinemas from September twenty fifth, Harley, how can people reach

(02:51:12):
out to us? What social media are we on so
we can reach out to us with their answers to
that question?

Speaker 2 (02:51:19):
You've got to look for a subculture entertainment on Facebook, Twitter,
or x if you prefer blue Skies, Discord, TikTok, or
you can look for a subculture dave on Instagram and threads.
And if you need a bit of help finding those,
you can always go to subculture entertainment dot com and

(02:51:44):
you will find links to stuff there. We have a Patreon,
so if you get to patreon dot com and look
for subculture entertainment, you can also live comments and things
via that. The main the usual suspects, you know, Facebook, TikTok. Yeah,

(02:52:08):
we've got access to all of those, so just look
for Subculture Entertainment definitely, and.

Speaker 1 (02:52:12):
Make sure you do go to subculture entertainment dot com
because there are so many films coming out the moment
that we haven't been able to put reviews into the
show because there's been so much other stuff going on,
so they're all up on our website. So yeah, if
there's a film that you haven't heard us review on
the show, there's a good chance it's been reviewed up
on the website, so go and check that out as well.

(02:52:33):
But we better get out of here right now. So
for now, I've been Dave g and

Speaker 2 (02:52:38):
I've been Ali, and hopefully we both will be again
next week, so tune in to find out

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