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August 2, 2025 • 16 mins
Nikki Brooke chats to Subculture about her brand new novel - The Huxian Fox.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, listeners, As you know, we love to delve into
the world of literature on this show, and there was
a magnificent book I remember Harley and I talked about
on the show a couple of years ago called Plague
Plagued Lands by an author called Nicki brook Well. Nicky's
got a brand new book out right now called The
Huxian Fox, and we thought today we would actually get
her on the phone to chat a little bit about

(00:23):
this amazing, brand new book. So welcome to the program, Niki.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thanks Dave. It's really nice to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
No worries now, Nikki, Like we said, you are an
award winning author from your first book, tell us a
little bit about the brand new book.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Okay, yeah, So The hawks Yan Fox or Huxyan I
don't mind how you say it. It's a sassy, fast case,
super fun space opera with a load of adventure and
a sapic subplot.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's about two girls who team.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Up despite their differences on an Indiana Jones style treasure
hunt across space.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'll includes left by an ancient race.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Okay, so it's very very different to play Lands. Tell
us a little bit about that journey with the coming
up with the concept of the new book, was there
was this a book that you've been thinking about for
a long time? What was that journey like?

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Yeah, Plage Lands is quite a serious book and it's
a dystopian so it's a very different vibe, whereas this has,
you know, more of a Firefly or Guardians the Galaxy
crossed with Indiana Jones kind of feel to it. And yeah,
it had been playing on my mind for a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
And what I really wanted to do. I've always loved the.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Solo Princess Leiah sort of love story in the original
Star Wars, and I was I just thought, well, what
if they were two women and young adults as well?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Because I love writing for young adults and I wanted
to see how that might play out. So that is
how I came up with the idea for the hotsim Box.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So the character development there, when you sat down to
first start working on these on these two women, for
these characters, apart from that layer and han solo storyline,
what kind of things were you using to to bring
those characters to life.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, great question.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
So yeah, most of the characters in the hot Box
I have were developed from Star Wars characters. So I
won't say who's who. You guys can work it out
when you read it, and that's I think part of
the fun of reading it.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I will give you a little hint. The droid is
not three CPO, but I started with.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Those characters is a bit of a skeleton, and then
built out the rest of the characters through their experiences
and their background. So the book is told from two
points of view. One is Fan and the other is
a Shanya. Now, Fan is Chinese. She's based on Han
Solo and Indiana Jones because Harrison Ford rules. But she's Yeah,

(03:22):
she's Chinese, she's female, she's bisexual, so all of those things.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Obviously then make her just.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
That little bit different from Han Solo or Indiana Jones.
But she still has that sassiness and a little bit
of arrogance that those characters have that I just I'm.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
Not sure if you can tell, but I'm smiling talking
about it. And then as Shanya has.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Her own backstory, that gets revealed, So I won't go
into that too much because it's some of the plot
twisters are in her back backstory. Yeah, started with Princess Laya,
but she's definitely evolved into something else because of her
story as well, and then she's attracted to Fan, so

(04:12):
there's also different sence with Prince as Layer in that
sense as well.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
One of the things I loved about Plagued Lands was
even though that it was a post apocalyptic novel, characterization
was still very, very strong, and I'm sure that is
the case with the new novel as well. How important
is that to you as a writer to have a
character driven plot rather than say, a plot driven plot
or even a galaxy driven plot.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Well, I would say that Hook sand Fox is very
plot driven, but the characters are also.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Extremely strong, so more so than Plague Lands, which is
a bit more medium paced. The Hook sand Fox is
really super super fast faced from the first page the last,
but there's still it was really important to me to
get the characters right.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
And one of the things that I was really trying
for is the two different points of view to sound
completely different. So when you're reading from fans point of view,
she sounds different from Ashanya's point of view. Fans sentences
are shorter because she's a little bit more of an

(05:28):
impulsive person. She doesn't think things through is deeply, although
really you find out she is a quite deep, thinker
and more thoughtful than what she first appears to be.
And yeah, so her sentence structure is different, some of
the words she uses is.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Different to Ashanya.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So the characters are very clear.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Just in like just their language.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
That then helps with the plot, So sy I should
say so with the plot being such a central point,
to make sure that the characters still come across that
language was really important to get.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Right, definitely. And how did you find that experience writing
from the two different voices. Did you sit down and
write all of the point of view from one character
and then write the other or did you just literally
go swap from one to another constantly while you were writing.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
I did swap from one to the other because one
of those people that tries to write as chronologically as possible,
even though sometimes.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
That's not best practice. Like sometimes I'll have a scene
in my head that's like further down the story that I.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Could write first, but I always try to write it chronologically.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
So I did swap. But the other reason that that
was really cool is because sometimes you.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Can get too bogged down in one character and you
might find it.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
A little bit born. So then it kept challenging me
from going from one chapter to the other that I
did still and through.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
One of the edits, I read all the Fans chapters
together and all of the Shunya's chapters together to make
sure that they were consistent.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
And what was that like building their world as well?
Because I find as a writer that's quite often the
bit that I enjoy the most is being able to
build that world and to build that law around that
world as well. How did you find that experience?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Well, there's a lot.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Of inspiration taken from both Chinese and Greek mythology that
I feel into it.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
So that was really fun.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
I had to do a huge amount of research, particularly
on the Chinese mythology, because I'd never really read much
about Chinese mythology before, whereas Greek mythology I learned back
when I was in high school, and that was more
a refresher rather than studying it for the first time.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Some of that comes through I Also.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
I was given this really cool book a few years
years ago that is.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
Like a lonely planet travel guide that all the galaxy
for the universe, and it's actually published.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
By any Planet, And so I picked now up and
started reading about all these different solar systems and planets
and stars, and I chose a few of those to
then create the world that the home team Fox is
sat in, and then also still that inspiration from it

(08:38):
shows like.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Star Wars five Flying Guardians, so the galaxy definitely comes through.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
So one of the things when you first start reading
it is that it feels a little bit familiar because.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Of that similarity to those shows. So there's yeah, you know,
I like thrown into this.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Completely new world where you have to get used to it.
It's like you already are slightly familiar with it when
you start, and you just fill in the gaps with
the information from this particular world as.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
You keep reading.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Definitely, one of the things we love to ask on
this show is when we start talking about research, whether
it be for screenwriting or novel writing, is what did
you learn when you were looking into Chinese mythology? Was
there something that you weren't that really surprised you or
stood out to you.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Oh, that's an interesting question.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's just a fascinating culture and fascinating mythology.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
There is just so much there that.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
And it's been around for so many years that one
story might be written one way and then you might
read the same story later on this with similar deities
of gods, and it's a slightly different story, which is
common with a lot of.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Different mythologies as well.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
You'll find that in Greek mythology and Egyptian mythology, which
I've both studied both of them as well. But yeah,
there wasn't one thing that necessarily stood out. There was
just lots lots of cool things that and why wouldn't
we want to read more about those cool things?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Definitely in my book. So with the success of Plagued
Lands and the awards that the book picked up and
things like that, did you feel any pressure sitting down
to work on this one at all?

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Well, I found out about most of.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
Those awards after I'd already written The Cooxy and Fox,
so I probably would have.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Felt more pressure, and I guess I am now then
I'm writing.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
The sequels to both books. But yeah, at the time
of writing The Boxium Fox, I had none of those pressures.
As far as I knew, I was a terrible writer.
But I had this call to Ryan. I had to
get these.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
Words out, and I absolutely loved the result, and I
think a lot of people will as well.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
So definitely and we should have probably said at the
start of the interview we have known each other for
years as well, so we kind of know a little
bit about each other's writing and things like that. For you,
as a writer, what advice would you give to young
writers out there? I know when we were coming through
as young writers, we had a lot of people giving

(11:30):
us advice. But what kind of advice would you give
to young writers out there who have got an idea
and want to get it down on paper.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Oh my gosh, I'm glad to actually mention about when
we were younger, because one of the things that I
was told when I was younger really actually hindered me
instead of helping me. And that was people reminding me
how hard it is to be a writer and how often.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
People are not successful being a writer.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
And you're probably going to hear that a lot as
a young writer even now. But the truth is, well,
the truth is it is hard. That doesn't mean that
you shouldn't do it or you can't do it.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
And so my.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Belief is that the key to writing is to believe
in yourself. So you really need to find ways to
get rid of all those negative voices and those thoughts
and you know they're still.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Going to pop up again at some point.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
But find a way to believe in yourself and and
to keep writing.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
But also back to the second part of your question
about you know, having an idea and then putting to
the paper.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
That's really the key to it is to start putting
it on paper, because even if it's bad the first
time you do it, you can always rewrite, but you
can't rewrite a blank page. So the best thing is
to get some of these words onto the page. If
you if you enjoy what you're writing, keep writing. If
you're not enjoying it, then maybe you have to reassess.

(13:09):
But definitely enjoying it, just keep going ye others, whether
you know whether it's bought or about it, just keep going.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, I noticed as well you mentioned before that you're
already working on sequels to both Plaguelands and also Huxey
and Fox. Were they things that you had thought about
from the very start? Like, did you always know that
these were going to be a series and not just
a one off novel?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, I certainly did so. The page ones. I
didn't know from the.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Very beginning exactly how it would pan out, but I
do know all the major plot points. Now there's a
few bits in between that I don't know that I'll
work out while I'm writing it, because that's my style.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I plot major.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Plot points, but then I fill it in between and
might change a few things along the way. But yeah,
I knew that it was going to be more than
one book even when I first started writing it.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
I just didn't know exactly how it would end. But
now I do kind of and the looks in Fox.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Yes, from the very first word I wrote on the page,
I knew it was going to.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
Be a trilogy.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
And well, surprise, I've actually already written the second book
and it's going through edits at the moment, so the
second book isn't that far away. So I know exactly
what's happening in the second book because it's already written.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
And then the third book, again, I know the major
plot points and just have to fill in the gaps.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
That's great. So now for the big question. If someone
wants to go out and buy a copy of either
The Hucksean Fox or play Glands, where can they go
to buy a copy of the book.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, of course they're both on Amazon. If you're not
a fan of shopping on Amazon, because I know there's
lots of people that aren't these days.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
There are some other options listed on my website that
will direct you to a few different websites so you can.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah. So my website is nickybrook dot.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
Com, which is NI double ki theke dot com now
different options on that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So, if there are any listeners out there who are
going to go out and grab a copy of the
book and sit down and read it over the next
couple of weeks, do you have anything you'd like to
say to them before they read it.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I just thought they enjoy it because the looks and
box just brings me so much joy. Like just I
loved writing it, but even after finishing it, I enjoyed
reading it.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
So I just hope it brings you joy if you
if you do pick it up and read it.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
And that's my main wish of the books in the box.
The Tapelines is going to break your heart, so just
go in knowing that
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