The Class Play - Post Day 1 Reaction Show

Sam Bruchhaus brings on Ben Brown, Tej Seth and special guest Arjun Menon to give their instant reactions to day 1 of the NFL draft. They talk about each quarterback's landing spot, the biggest surprises and possible fantasy implications.

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Episode Transcript

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One are we love? Yeah perfect. Welcome to the Class Play after Show.
NFL Draft big day, one ofthe biggest days in the NFL year.
So we've gathered here today, theclass Play podcast crew, to go
late in the night and break downsome of the biggest moments from the Draft.
As always, I have with meTay Seth Tysh. How you doing,

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I'm doing great. I figured peoplewould be so amped up with an
actual NFL event for the first timein a couple of months here, so
I think that people will not besleeping and hopefully watching us tonight pretty caffeinated
is what I'm expecting from our audience. I agree. And Taj is also
hopped up on a line's trade upTerry and Arnold. We'll get into that

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later. Ben may be more hoppedup. A lot of stuff coming from
the Vikings. Ben, just giveus a general mood. How are you
doing, man, I mean,I'm doing I'm doing okay. I think
overall, you know, obviously therewere some ups and downs in the first
round with the Vikings in general,but I thought Detroit put out as far
as like a talent and kind of, like Tage said, like this is
kind of bit from the NFL perspectiveuntil we get in the training camp and

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the NFL you know, and theNFL like regular season cycle. So might
as well dive in here for therest of the night, is all I
can say for sure. And guys, as you know, one of the
biggest things in the NFL draft isthe quarterbacks. Some things who went according
to plans, some things didn't goaccording to plan. One of the biggest
surprises at number eight, the AtlantaFalcons, who have already signed Kirk Cousins

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to a multi year deal, pickMichael Pennox out of nowhere. Hege,
what are some thoughts on that wehad to talk about this first? I
mean, this is the pick ofthe night. I think probably it'll lead
every single talk show tomorrow morning,you know, even trumping the Cowboys pick,
which usually leads most talk shows whenthis talked about. But like,
this is the stundard of the draft. Like Eric mentioned on the broadcast,

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first off, pressure to sacrate forthe win. We spent the whole draft
cycle talking about pressure to sacrate.Michael Penny Junior had the best pressure of
sacrate in this class, and hewas also someone who did a pretty good
job of throwing the ball away whenpressured, but he was the QB five
by grinding the box. He hada twenty five point two expected draft position.

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So that's what was really surprising wasthem taking him at eight in a
vacuum would have been pretty surprising onits own, but also considering how much
guaranteed money they just gave Kirk Cousins, It'll be really interesting to see what
the dynamic is between those two guys. Yeah, and so Ben, you're
in the market for the quarterback Vikingsare sitting still, sitting still, sitting

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still number eight hits and it's MichaelPennock Junior. What flashes through your mind,
both from the analytical perspective and fromthe fan perspective. Yeah, I
mean, I think, first off, from like a fans perspective, like
as as a person who was verymuch interested in what happened with the first
three quarterbacks and exactly how they wentoff the board. It's specifically Drake May
whether he went to the New EnglandPatriots or was maybe you know, a

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part of a trade up type scenariolike it did seem like the the Michael
Pennix and the bow Nicks question ofwhere they were like price step from the
betting market standpoint, very much borderlinefirst round draft picks, so to see,
you know, Michael Pennix, Idid think in a lot of ways
it opened up opportunities for the MinnesotaBikings to actually get a guy like JJ

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McCarthy at the leventh overall selection.So from a fans perspective, although I
was shocked, I didn't think itactually probably like benefited the Minnesota Vikings longer
term in the fact that they atleast had somebody available to them. That
the eleventh selection of course ended uptrading up to ten of getting JJ McCarthy.
But I think overall, I wouldsay, like the surprising thing to
me from an analytics standpoint is somethingthat you know, we talked about this

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entire draft cycle. We've talked aboutin previous draft cycles, and it has
been the fact that some of theseyou know, the fringe four or five
quarterback prospects, like they continuously dofall down draft boards, and this is
really like the first time we've kindof seen I would say, like the
analytic movement where we are, youknow, all of us would very much
say like we do overvalue the quarterbackposition, and we kind of saw that

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play out in the draft tonight.O it'saying I think that's maybe one of
the bigger takeaways is like the leagueis very much if you don't have a
quarterback, there's no draft pick toogreat to actually go up and actually get
a guy, I think, AndI think that's maybe the main takeaway from
both Michael PENNOCKX and the Bolnix selectionhere in the first round tonight, for
sure, and especially given that itseemed we've been covering this class. We've

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been covering this draft since free agencycombine throughout the whole offseason, we've been
taking a look at it. Andobviously when the Falcons decided to go with
Kirk Cousins, taking Kirk Cousins offof Vikings team, signing him to a
multi year deal, the expectation wasthat, you know, this was a
team that was probably ready in theirmind to compete. Now you add Pinnix

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to that, and this is thefirst time, really since the Aaron Rodgers
Jordan Love scenario where we have ayou know, quarterback in waiting. Obviously
we also had that with Alex Smithand Patrick Mahomes. Does this at all
mirror that tage? So where dothey go? I mean, Michael Pennox
is what twenty four years old nowand they have Cousins for at least three

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four years. Tell us how youexpected to go? No? Right?
I mean, I think you bringup a great point there where it is
a little bit different than the PatrickMahomes pick than the Jordan Love pick,
just because of Pennix's age. AndI think that there is not necessarily an
immediate plan to move off of KirkCousins. When you look at his contract

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at over the cap, you thehis signing bonus was fifty million dollars prorated
over four years, so you're goingto be guaranteeing him twelve point five million
dollars in twenty twenty six and intwenty twenty seven. So even if you
do move on from Cousins after twentytwenty five, there's still a decent amount
of money you're spending at the quarterbackposition. You can't get the full rookie

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contract advantage out of it. Ithink that the Chiefs had a plan set
up to move on from Alex Smithto Mahomes after one year, and they
executed that pretty well. The Packershad a plan to move on from Aaron
Rodgers when it looked like he wasdeclining. He happened to have back to
back MVP seasons after the Jordan Lovepick, which you know kind of extended
their timeline a little bit. Butit will be really interesting to see if

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Michael Pennix is becoming his first timeas a full time starter in the NFL
at age twenty seven twenty eight.We usually don't see that, you know,
I think Brandon Whedon would have beenone of the only examples of someone
who was a first round pick thatbecame a full time starter at that age.
Yeah, and Ben as a Vikingsfan, you know, there's reports
coming out now that Kirk Cousins wasquote stunned. You're a guy who's watched

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Kirk Cousins for years. Obviously mostfootball fans watched him in that QB one
series, kind of fell in lovewith him and his and his you know,
demeanor and leadership. Kind of talkthrough you as a former Cousins follower,
how you expect him to approach this. Do you think it's just business
as usual and Captain Kirk takes it. Do you think that maybe we have

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a scenario like a like a Mattflann or Russell Wilson, where Michael Pennix
comes in and just immediately snatches itaway from a recently signed quarterback. What's
going through your mind? What doyou expect? Yeah, the quirky nature
of Kirk Cousins, I think hasvery much won a lot more people over
than what I would have expected beforethe QB series on Netflix. But like
just in general for me, andI know, like the reports coming out

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of Kirk Cousins camp are very muchgoing to be you know, as professional
as possible, but also maybe asnegative as they can possibly be from a
public facing standpoint, and I thinkthose are valid, especially because you look
at you know what, Kirk Cousinssigned here, four year deal and he's
still very much, you know,needing to kind of win over the locker
room, right, Like, he'snever really been in that building with all

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those guys to any sort of certainextent where he has the team around him.
And now not only has that nothappened yet, but they've already brought
in his you know, air apparentsuccessor and everything else. And it's a
situation where he didn't even really geta year to settle into this locker room
just is already kind of like lookingover his shoulders. So I think,
like from my perspective, it isa situation that I can see making Kirk

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Cousins really uncomfortable, and I dothink it signals a weird middle ground for
the Atlanta Falcons and not really knowingif they kind of want to go all
in around Kirk Cousins or if theyalready kind of are trying to build the
future in Michael Penix because they dohave a lot of like young skill position
players on rookie deals right now.That would have been the approach I would
have taken without going down the KirkCousins tracks. So it just seems like

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they're kind of living in two differentworlds, and I think it's going to
be really confusing and somewhat difficult forboth people. But at the end of
the day, you know, KirkCousins is a professional. I do think
he will very much take Michael Pennixunder his wing and like try to offer
him as much as possible. Butthat's a situation where both those guys are
going to try and get familiar inZach Robinson's offense, and if they're splitting
reps. You know, somebody's growthis going to be somewhat stunted at that

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point time. And I think it'sthat's going to be, you know,
the potential scary point and downfall forthe Atlanta Falcons, you know, when
when all of this kind of transpliers. Yeah, and so something that we've
talked about on the class play quitea bit is what we expect is going
to happen with these quarterbacks in threeor four years. And so to close

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out kind of the Penix topic,I want to pose the question that I
posed to you Taje this week reallyon Tuesday. Three or four years where's
Michael Pennix? Now? So thiskind of has changed, but I actually
kind of stayed the same from whatwe talked about on Tuesday. We talked
about him as like someone who couldhave a Gardner Minshew type career where he's

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alternating as starter and backup. AndI mean again, like you look at
Kirk Cousins and kind of like theage that he's going to be at in
the second, third, fourth yearof this contract, like thirty seven,
thirty eight year old quarterback, Likewe don't know exactly what that's going to
look like. So maybe there's there'sbouts where Kirk Cousins has to sit out
a couple of games because his durabilityisn't what it used to be, and

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that's really where Penis can come inand keep the the ship afloat for those
games. You know, maybe there'sa season where they decide to actually do
make the change from Cousins to Pennix, and Penix performs decently but maybe not
up to a top ten pick standard, and he falls into that Gardner Minshew
bucket again where he's kind of hoveringaround between like the twenty fifth and thirty

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fifth best quarterback in the NFL.Like, I think this pick, despite
it being a top ten pick andyou might not want the twenty fifth best
quarterback at number eight overall, likeit still kind of is in line with
what we projected from him from hisNFL career for sure, And talking about
doing those projections, you know,when we look at the draft, there's

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a lot of uncertainty there, andthere's a lot of uncertainty in each pick.
And so one of the most shockingthings that will lead us into our
second quarterback, JJ McCarthy was theanalytically based you know, Quesia dophoments Vikings,
trading up what you know way beforethe draft, then trading up again,

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and then trading up yet another time. And so we have a great
question from Grant and I'll let Benanswer this talk value on these Vikings trade
ups. What are your thoughts kindof from the pure analytical Ben brown Side,
the pure, the betting genius,the fantasy god, the analysis and

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roster value guy, Well, whatare your thoughts just on the sheer value
of these trade ups? At theend of brown one, Yeah, I
mean, to be honest with you, it feels like they gave up a
top five pick to draft Dallas Turners. I think the equation and how it's
kind of balanced out at the endof the day because they already had pick
eleven, they moved up to pickten to get JJ McCarthy, and I

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think, you know Frontin's purposes,that was maybe like a late fourth throne
pick that they gave up, maybeeven not quite that that. So then
to actually go and get Dallas Turnerwhen you factor in the first trade that
quest he made to get picked twentythree, and then very much what they
gave to get from twenty three toseventeen, like that was an expensive acquisition,
and I think when you have aguy, you know, especially that

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seemed to slide, I would saytoday very much expected to be the first
defensive player off the board, youknow, didn't didn't didn't actually live up
to that billing. Like that's asituation where there were some red flags and
there were teams that very much passedon him or took him off their board
entirely, and then you go inand you kind of make a splash play
in order to do it. Iget it from the fact that he wants

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to be all in and have awinner right now, but I think in
a lot of ways, you know, they maybe sacrifice somewhat of their future
to go up and get Dallas Turner, and I'm just not quite I'm not
convinced that that is the correct orthe most sound approach to actually build out
this roster in the most successful way. That makes a lot of sense,
but a lot of that can bewashed away with a great quarterback, as

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we've seen, and the Vikings havetheir quarterback now, they have JJ McCarthy.
Page before, before I get movedto pin the emotional Viking stand,
give us a Rundown. We've coveredJJ McCarthy in totality before. We have
articles, we have videos, we'vetalked about him many times. What do
you think is going to happen withhim on the Vikings and what do you

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think about the moves they made today? Yeah, I mean, I think
this worked out well for both sides. You know, pre the other trade
up for Dallas Turner, I wasready to give the Vikings a lot of
flowers for how they handled this.They didn't panic and trade up to number
five overall, number four overall.They kind of let JJ McCarthy come to
them. You know, I'm surethey didn't plan on Pennics going in the

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top ten, but that's also somethingthat kind of pushed everyone's board, you
know, up a spot. ButI think we talked about JJ McCarthy being
maybe the most situation dependent quarterback inthe shraft. We talked about how the
Vikings have a situation where whoever theytake has a decent chance of becoming QB
two, QB three out of thetop quarterbacks that we saw get taken today.

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So maybe you do get that perfectmarriage where JJ McCarthy can come in
and he doesn't even have to startday one because they do have Sam Donald
there that can give them, youknow, competent level of quarterback play.
But I think when you have JJMcCarthy eventually start, he's gonna be throwing
to Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison,TJ. Hockinson when he comes back from
injury, Aaron Jones, who Ithink is really good out of the backfield.

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You know, the tackles are reallygood in Minnesota. They've run out
some picks to build up the interiorof their offensive line. But I still
think that Kevin O'Connell as a playcaller will will give him an advantage and
help him develop. And I thinkit would be really strong to say that
it could be like a black Partysituation. You're not going to probably hit
the highest efficiency in the NFL,but you could get a situation like either

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Jimmy Garoppolo or Tua in Miami whereyou're getting top five to ten efficiency from
your quarterback because of the situation he'sin. Yeah, you bring up brock
per and the moves today kind ofresemble the pillars of the forty nine ers
run. You know, you haveall these good players and then you find

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someone who can keep the engines runningin rock Purdy and I think we've talked
about it a lot, guys.JJ McCarthy kind of has some of those
things where he's a mobile guy.He can make the plays, the basic
plays that need to be made,and he has the ability to hit some
windows. It's just kind of theother stuff that scares us. And then
you pick up a Dallas Turner,is that they're nick Bosa. There's a

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lot of uncertainty there. Who knows. Focusing still on JJ McCarthy, Ben,
we talked about getting your view.This is like kind of what we've
been waiting for for a couple ofmonths. If the Viking's got JJ McCarthy,
obviously in a vacuum, it onlycosts that, you know, late
fourth round pick to move up onespot rather than the farm to move up

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to two, three or four.What's the value there? How are you
feeling now you have a quarterback postCousins, what's the next move here?
Yeah? I mean I would saythat I definitely agree with what you know
Tage initially laid out basically, whichwas that you know and like you said,
Sam, like the Vikings didn't reallymortgage their future. JJ McCarthy,

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and in a lot of ways theykind of let the ham play out and
let him kind of come to them. They didn't go up to five and
trade with the Los Angeles Chargers,and it very much seemed like that was
kind of on the table. SoI think overall, like how they approach
the quarterback position is encouraging. AndI think, you know, the reasons
why we were maybe or me personallywasn't as like optimistic on JJ McCarthy as

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you know, and this idea oflike upside with you know, Drake May.
But the things that we don't understandabout JJ McCarthy or the reasons why
we maybe don't agree with that similarupside is we just haven't seen it yet,
right, So there's just more anelement of not knowing what JJ McCarthy
is capable of. But like Tagesaid, like this is an offense within
the Minnesota Vikings that can very muchhe can rely on as he kind of

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finds his own way in the NFL. And then when he does do that,
like there are gonna be some piecesand some buttons I think that Kevin
O'Connell can push that are really goingto maybe hopefully start to show through in
like year two and year three,and you can see, you know,
the McCarthy ability in a similar wayto navigate an offense like brock Purty does.
I think personally like there's a casewhere that you know him playing in

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a similar thing to like Baker Mayfieldto a take of Iola, Like those
are comps that we've had from likea text analytics standpoint that I think fit
kind of well with JJ McCarthy,And you can win on an offense that
the Minnesota Vikings have with that sortof play at quarterback or a guy on
a rookie deal. And I thinkthat's what they have right now. And
there's still maybe an element of anunknown on the upside, but I actually

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think the floor for how the Vikingscan perform with JJ McCarthy on at quarterback
is already better than what they're goingto get from like Sam Darnold. I
would say for sure, yeah thatI totally agree with that. And I
think you have two options in thebililding now, So that'll move me from
a place where there's two options inthe building, so now there's four options

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in the building. With the Broncos, they go with bo Nicks, does
Sean Page. Does Sean Payton havehis guy now or are they employing like,
you know, the much thought aboutthe kind of slash and burn quarterback
strategy where you have Jared Stidham,a guy who's been in a couple of
quarterback rooms, hasn't seen a tonof play. You give him a shot.

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You have Zach Wilson kind of thedepressed asset who may still have some
juice. You give him a shot. You have Bo Nicks that you got
at twelve. You used a premiumpick at a premium position. You give
him a shot, and then youmaybe take your shot somewhere else. Ben
Denucci maybe like what's going through SeanPayton's head? And analytically, how do
you think it plays out? Imean, you bring up a lot of

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good points there. I think it'sgoing to be really interesting to see how
this this Broncos quarterback room actually comesto fruition. I do think that Bo
Nicks is probably the leader in theclubhouse to be the Week one starter because
you invested number twelve overall in him. I think that the Broncos had to
go out and do something at quarterbackthis offseason. You know, I think
when you looked at some other options, Like I'm sure someone like Jake Browning

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was maybe considered for a trade,but the Bengals obviously wanted to keep him.
I think Jameis Winston, you know, because of that prior history with
Sean Payden, Like maybe that didn'twork out because of the personality difference between
the two of them. So,like it really left the Broncos to a
situation where they had to trade forZach Wilson earlier this week, they had
to take bow Knicks in the draft. I think when you look at bow

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Knicks, he had the lowest adjustedair yards of any quarterback prospect in this
draft. But Oregon's offense was prettyefficient with him doing that. So,
if you're Sean Payton, do youtrust yourself enough as an offensive designer where
you can team up in offense whereit's very screen based, which I think
was his specialty in New Orleans,but also very quick in terms of the

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time of the routes that'll be happeningand some of the execution of the offense.
And that's why the Russell Wilson SeanPayton experience it didn't really work because
you kind of had the opposite ofthat last year where we know Russell Wilson
likes to hold onto the ball,likes to be creative. Maybe you try
to reverse that with bo Nix.I think it's going to be a pretty
big gamble to make if you're SeanPayton and the Broncos. But I could

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see a path where ends up workingjust because of that quick execution that he
has in his toolbox. Yeah,that makes a lot of sense. And
so you look at this supposedly bowKnicks led team, Ben set the over
under for them this year of whatyou may be able to expect from a
bow Knicks team coming off of kindof a weird year with Russell Wilson there

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where some people thought they were tankingand then all of a sudden they win
several games. Yeah, I mean, to me, this is still and
this was I think the discussion aroundboth like the Raiders and the Denver Broncos
basically and what they were going todo in the draft here, because these
are both rosters, I would saythat, you know, are very very

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seemingly I would say farther way,and I do think in some ways,
like the Denver Broncos do have someblue chip type talent at certain positions,
but this is still a team thatI think is like plus you know,
you know, five to one basicallyto like make the playoffs in a lot
of scenarios. So are they aseven win team? Maybe, But I
still don't think to me, they'renot anywhere closer to competing for the AFC

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West Championship or the AFC West DivisionChampionship than they were before today, whether
they would have gone defense or quarterback. And I know people aren't really high
on the you know, the nextyear's quarterback class already, so if you
pass on a guy this year,that could be part of the reason why
we saw such a front running atthe quarterback position. But I just think
overall, like it doesn't move theneedle enough for me unless Sean Payton does

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have some sort of magic up thesleeve, and I'm just not seeing that
right now. So I do thinkthey're probably still you know, borderline five
and I have six win teams oneof the worst yea voice projections of football.
Yeah, and like yeah, toadd on to what you're saying there,
like it's it's interesting, right becauselike on our draft guide, we
had bo Nick's closest compass Kenny Pickett. I even saw Derek Classen he came

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up with that comprom from studying filmas well. So I think that's like
something very similar. I think KennyPickett was like considered a little bit of
a reach at where he was taken, and so if bo Nix has a
similar career to that, then likeyou're talking about even more of a reach,
which is like, which is reallyinteresting for Denver. I was I
was wondering if like they were gonnaget cute maybe and try to trade back

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to the twenties and still get boNicks there, But like, I don't
know if you'd necessarily want to messaround if you're convicted that this is your
quarterback, which, like like youmentioned, like Jerry is still out on
that. You know, it'll beinteresting to follow, you know, like
the quick time to throw will willdefinitely be something that I think Denver's offense
might be able to benefit from.It will just be if he can actually

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go along with with everything else atthe offense entails. Yeah, So we've
covered some of the more surprising picks, but basically up until that number eight
pick, everything went along along schedule. And so you look at the number
one pick, Caleb Williams. Igot to see a little bit of him
in the press conference you sit,you see him on TV, very energetic,

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kind of leader guy Caleb Williams,which which we haven't necessarily seen in
the past year. Per se QBone gets his kind of young wide receiver
in Roma Dune's a at nine.So so Tage tell us a little bit
about that surround surrounding cast. Havewe ever seen anything really like this in
recent history? Like, what howdo you how do you feel about the

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Bears this year? I like somuch of what you mentioned there because when
you look at usually where number onepicks end up situation wise, it's usually
the team picking number one overall.So, like I say, it was
the worst team last year, thatis picking that that quarterback killed. You
know, obviously the Bears had thissituation where they were the ninth worst team
in the league last year. Youcould even say at the end of the

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season they were probably around the middleof the pack and in most team rating
systems. And they get to addyou know, Keenan Allen, who's still
an elite separator, and Roma Dunzewho's just go like an all around reception
perception like can do any route.You know, is a player who I
think has a relatively high floor,Like I think this is the best situation

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that a number one pick has walkedinto in recent history. I think it's
one of the better situations a topten pick at quarterback has walked into as
well. I remember looking at cJ. Stroud during the preseason last year
and I thought Nico Collins was anunderrated receiver, and you know, Dalton
Schultz is a decent tight end andTank Dallas showed flashes in the preseason,

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but you still didn't know what thatsupporting cast would look like until it actually
played out on the field, andonce the Texans got rolling from Week four
onward, you saw like, yeah, these are great receivers and CJ.
Shroud is also great. Because ofthat, I think Caleb Williams might be
able to have that from day onebecause we know what DJ Moore and Keenan
Allen are, we know that theoffensive line is at least below average,

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maybe it's average. And then ShaneWaldron, I think, is someone who
will come out with a pretty innovativeoffense early in the season. Is just
something he has sustained over the season, so we could see Kayleb Williams potentially
from week one be a decent optionwhen it comes to starting level quarterback,
both in the NFL and both ifyou're thinking about him in fantasy, Like,

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I think it's just a good placefor him to go into, and
the Bears have done a good jobsupporting him. Yeah, I totally agree.
And in terms of supporting him supportingthat city a city that some of
those records been are so paltry,and I think that Kleb Williams, it's
been much talked about, has acase, especially now that he has three,

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if not great wide receivers, highlyinvested in wide receivers. Do you
think he breaks some of those recordsthis year? I mean, I would
not be surprised. I think insome ways. Obviously the game script as
well is going to influence some ofthe you know, the traditional accounting stats.
But you guys hit the nail onthe head, Like I think my

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question is wasn't necessarily like can DJMoore and Keenan Allen like be a fit
around Kleb Williams, but the wayin which they win I would say,
specifically Keenan Allen is like very much, you know, the top of route
timing based type things, And Ijust didn't know if Kayleb Williams was going
to have that in his arsenal playingand play out every single game in his
rookie year. And I think nowthey kind of have that bleak neighbors guy

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who can be you know, thebig play downfield, maybe in a broken
play, maybe in some other typeof scenarios of Chaine Waldron's schemes up,
and they can kind of rely moreon the big playability that Klea Williams very
much has and gravitates towards and don'tnecessarily need to be as methodical moving the
chains with a guy like Keenan Allen. And I think that is just going

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to make everything easier for everybody becausethey're still going to have that as a
part of the option or bring withinthe offense, but it's not going to
be the only way that they canmove to football. So I love,
I like the situation that he's landedin, and I really think, like
you know, at the end ofthe day, like Ryan Poles probably deserves
a ton of credit and kudos forbuilding this out the last couple of seasons.
And using some wise trades to actuallybe in a position to not only

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go up and get the number oneoverall selection, the top guy, but
also surround him with a ton oftalent as well. And I think like
overall, like this rebuild is gonnabe quick and over quickly. And I
think it speaks to, you know, a team building approach that we would
all buy into. And I thinkthat's like an exciting thing to see kind
of play out in front of us. Yeah, and I'm glad Taj mentioned

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kind of the CJ. Stroud situationbecause you know that was kind of not
necessarily shocked this year, but youknow, he went he went picked two.
There's a lot of questions good orotherwise, or proven or otherwise of
how they would, uh they wouldperform. There was a new coach here,

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We're in a situation where there's adefensive coach that has proven Shane Waldron,
has you nursed the health of GenoSmith's career back? And you're giving
him, you know, two ProBowl wide receivers and the ninth pick in
the draft that many probably thought wasif not wide receiver, one wide receiver
two in the class and a lotof people looked at all three as really
good. So I'm really excited towatch that Bears team. I know people

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in Chicago are also really excited fora good Bears team. So it's going
to be exciting to see a playerlike Caleb, who everyone considered to be
a generational talent, be in agenerationally good situation. And talking about the
other two situations that you know,Jayden Daniels and Drake May went into.
We've also talked at Lante about themtoo, and they slotted in the positions

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that we thought they were going toslot into. You have Jadan Daniels with
the Commanders playing in that Cliff Kingsburykind of air raid system, and then
you have Drake May going to kindof the new look Patriots. Uh,
we've talked so much about them,and you know, there was all this
this this talk of which one shouldgo to, which one should go three?
Its switched up. But now it'snow it's set. Their situations are

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set and we get to watch himplay. And so I want to ask
both of you. Aust Hage first, who do you think is going to
be better in two or three years? Do you think it's going to be
Jane Daniels or do you think it'sgonna be Drake May. So it really
goes back to this nature versus nurtureof stuff that we've been talking about a
lot this draft season. Where Iliked, I leaned Drake May from a

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prospect perspective because he's much younger.You know. I thought he had a
great arm ideal height weight for quarterbacks, which which does matter, which is
predictive when we build our athleticism scoremetrics. Like, I thought he stacked
up on so many different things.The thing that I thought Jaden Daniels did
a lot or had going for himwas his rushing ability. Is twelve point

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two percent scramble rate from stats Bomblast year is going to give him a
little bit of a longer leash tofigure out how to do other quarterback stuff
in the NFL. I think we'veseen that with Kyler Murray, We've seen
that with Josh Allen, Like theycan take time to figure out some of
the passing, some of the sackavoidance because they can scramble and get out
of any situation. But I thinkthat when you look at Drake May and

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the situation he's walking into in NewEngland, where I like Kendrick Bourne,
but like you know, they reallydon't have great receiving options. I still
think their offensive line is just okay. I don't know if he's gonna get
developed as well as Jaden Daniels iswhere I'm pretty pro dan Quinn. I
think he's pretty into analytics and goingto use that to his advantage. I
think that they obviously have invested alot in receivers and most of those guys

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have stayed, so I could seea scenario where Jaden Daniels has just developed
a little bit better, his situationis a little bit better, and he
becomes the better quarterback because of that. But I still I still just just
lean into Drake May's talent level,and I think he can still become a
good player, you know, evendespite the help not necessarily being there initially,

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just because of how many big timethrows he can make, and in
some of his arm talent and justhis scramble ability as well. Yeah,
I think that's a great answer,and I just want to pull up Grant
absolutely thank you for the question,and as any of these questions that I
posed to ben Or and Taser thatI answer as they come up. We
love the discussion in the chat,keep chiming in. Well, We'll try

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to get to any questions as wecan. But this is the draft.
We're excited and we hope you're excitedtoo, so happy to answer anything,
Ben, I pose the same questionto you, Sir, Drake may or
jayde Daniels. Yeah, I'm I'mvery much with Tage. I do think
the Jade and Dana situation for howwe're going to see it play for it
is very much going to help.To me. It kind of goes back

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to the offensive coordinators. Obviously,none of us are going to speak,
you know, glowingly about Cliff Kingsbury, but I think there is something to
be said about a coach having asecond opportunity and at least having similar pieces
in place to potentially build on someof his mistakes that he'd made in the
first time. And I very muchcould see Cliff Kingsbury kind of growing from
that experience in Arizona, taking someof the things that he was successful with

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with Kyler Murray and being able toapply some of those wrinkles I would say
to the Washington commanders offensively. SoI do definitely lean in that direction.
I think from basically any sort oflike counting stat you know, pff Gray,
whatever we're gonna look at, itwill be Jaden Daniels as the better
option in a couple of years.And I think it's nerve wrecking. I
think, you know, Drake May, obviously you talk about the wide receivers,

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Alex van Pelt, you know,the offensive coordinator. To me,
it's concerning, you know, havinga new head coach that's come up through
the defense of the football with ayoung quarterback. I do think in some
ways like the influence on how they'regonna try and win football games is impacted
through those head coaching decisions. AndAlex van Pelt, you know, offensive

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coordinator, didn't really have the playcalling responsibilities in Cleveland. So I think
in a lot of ways like he'sa little bit rong, like developing a
wrinkle that can be successful offensively whenyou fold in those things along with the
offensive talent that the newing the Patriotshave. I don't really think as far
as high as I am on DrakeMay before the draft, I just don't
see the odds very much feel stackedagainst him to be really successful in his

(33:15):
first couple of seasons in that sortof environment. I think that's very much,
you know, got to be thetakeaway in my justification and reasoning why
I didn't think the newing the Patriotswould go in that direction. Yeah,
And I love putting things in termsof different sports because I think it gives
you a good idea of what somethingcan look like in you know, storyline
or in situation, but not necessarilywith the like nuts and bolts of football

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that we can get kind of caughtup in. And I kind of look
at this situation very similarly to kindof a Tray Young and a Luka Dontage
situation obviously, where you know,we Luka Donsiche went into a situation where
there was old dirt and Nowitzki,much like there's kind of the ghost of
Bill Belichick and Tom Brady hanging overthe Patriots right now, and you had

(33:59):
Trey Young go into a little betterorganized Atlanta Hawks team. And so you
go two years and or there,however many years, and you see Trey
Young make it to you know,conference finals out of nowhere despite the flaws,
and you see Luca not not reachit that far. But now I

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think all the years going by it'stotally switched, and maybe we all kind
of knew much like kind of theconsensus was that perhaps Drake May was the
better prospect end quotes, you see, the kind of better quote prospector or
the more stereotypical prospect long term endup growing into what we expected him to

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be, where Jane Daniels is stillprobably an explosive player and a good player,
but can't reach those heights and can'tpush his team that far in the
playoffs. And so before we moveto our next segment, I want to
give a huge shout out to Underdogfor sponsoring this show and the show before
it. And so I want toask a question just to close this segment
off six quarterbacks six in the twentytwenty four first round. Which quarterback do

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you think is the best play forfantasy this year? Tash? Do you
want to do ADP based on ADPor just straight up just straight up?
Okay, Yeah, So I willrun our fantasy projections you know after the
draft. I'm excited to see theresults. The easy answer is I think
Jayden Daniels because I think his rushingability is going to be at such a

(35:27):
high level, especially when they getdown in the red zone and some of
the rushing touchdowns that he's going toget where I think that he will,
he could have you know, maybeit's a little bit less than four thousand
yards passing, but he could havea very high end rushing season. You
know, you're looking at at somethinglike you know, if I pulled up
his his pre draft projections, likewe had him projected at six hundred fifty

(35:50):
two rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns. Now that I know he's going to
Washington and the Cliff Kingsbury offense,and like if you remember Arizona's first year,
like the rushing offense was was reallygood under Cliff Kingsbury. It ended
up progressing a little bit after.I think he could hit seven fifty eight
hundred rushing yards, you know,maybe get close to double digit amount of
rushing touchdowns. And we know howimportant rushing is for quarterbacks in fantasy.

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Like, I think, I thinkthat's a really good option and ADP wise,
I think that JJ McCarthy is goingto be a decent option because when
you look at Best Ball drafts onunderdog, you know, promo code sumer
for one hundred percent matchup to onehundred dollars there. I think when when
you're drafting JJ McCarty, maybe youknow, round sixteen through eighteen, like

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you're banking on a CJ. Stroudtype situation where he's being undervalued even despite
being in a really good situation,and all he has to do is get
one hundred, one hundred twenty yardsout of Justin, Jefferson and jordanas in
each each game, and like he'sproducing a lot of Fantasy points that way.
Yeah, that makes a lot ofsense. And you know, someone
who had RG three back in theday in his rookie year, I can

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see something like that that happening inthe fantasy world where Argie three ended up
being a very effective one of thefirst really effective running quarterbacks in fantasy.
And now Jane Daniels feels that AndI'll pose the same question that you've been
what's kind of your play for thisyear? Yeah? Yeah, so I
would say, yeah, I think, you know, Robert Griffin the third
one meter of Fantasy Championship in hisrookie season as well. So I'm very

(37:20):
much like partial to that approach,but I think more of a slam dunk,
you know, obviously, like someinjury aspects are very much going to
take a toll on basically all theseyou know, rookie quarterbacks often they actually
get to play in their rookie season. But I do think the situation with
Kayleb Williams is really intriguing. AndI do think when you look around,
you know, specifically the rest ofthe NFC in the NFC North, like

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there's not a lot of like reallyquality defenses. I do think in a
lot of ways. You know,the Detroit Lions last year played in a
lot of shootout type games Vikings aswell, like they had Brian Flores a
defensive coordinator, added a lot tothe edge rush position, but still a
secondary that I think is going tobe weak. So I think overall,
like there's some shootout type potential potentialin the NFC North. Given what Caleb

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Williams has from a weapons standpoint,I would very much go in that direction.
I do think it's probably the easiestanswer. Yeah, you took,
I was probably gonna go with Calebjust the weapons, man, I mean,
I mean the weapons are crazy thisyear for him. And I think
that Jane Dang is also a goodplay there too, because you have the
wide receivers and Terry mcclaur and andand some of those guys. And you

(38:25):
have the Johann Dotson also Eric.Yeah, Eric is the biggest Jahan Dotson
fan that I know, and soI'm hoping that maybe he breaks out with
Jane Daniels there now. Yeah,we have these pretty new mics and I
think we might have caught a whisperof just so as you're looking on Underdog

(38:45):
Fantasy, keep eye out for JohanDotson. Also keep an eye out for
Jane dans Keleb Williams as well.So we'll move into our next segment here
of just what are the biggest surprises, and so we have a special guest
from PFF to kind of discuss hisbiggest surprise. We'll have you moved this
way, Ben, We'll have Arjonmen On come in wearing his Chargers jersey

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straight just just ready ready to takea seat right here. Argin. Yeah,
take this mike and put it onyour lapel and and tell us kind
of what your biggest surprise of thedraft was and how it may or may
not, you know, go withyour jersey that you're wearing. Yeah,

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I just I'll just talk real quickso you're asking specifically about the Charger or
any other Yeah, let's ask aboutLet's ask about the Chargers first and then
we'll go to the surprise. Yeah. So honestly, like I was expecting
them to take an offensive line then, I think the hype had been built
up so much, so I waslike kind of expecting and I kind of

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like reasoned with it. In mymind, I was hoping it wasn't jac
Latham, mainly because and he wouldhave had like one of the lowest and
sense his board ranks if any topfive pick in the past like eight years,
he's like fifteenth on the consensus boardand most you know players are twelve
and above. But all I mean, he is like the most one of

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the most athletic tackles in the draft. Also, like when it has one
of the best pedigrees of any tacklein the draft. I think he's athletic
enough to move to ride tackle,which sounds like the plan right now.
But I can't lie and say,like I don't necessarily agree with the pick,
and I understand like why they didit. Harva's the trenches guy's and
to build it from the inside out. But I do think there were some

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better options on the board in termsof helping them win instantly, right now,
Yeah, that makes sense. Guys. What are your thoughts on the
Joe Will pick? Yeah? Imean the question I have for Argin is
if you were in you know,Jim Harbin and Joe Orkis's shoes, would
you have gone League Neighbors there?Would you look to trade out? You
know, would you like what kindof your thought processes have been with that

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pick? Yeah, I think Iwould have gone Neighbors one. I mean
that Chargers receiving room just lacking alot of juice. It's always been,
you know, one of the slowestrooms in the league, lacks explosiveness,
and I think that's something Neighbors givesyou instantly from day one. Like Josh
Palmer has been a wide receiver threehis whole career, and that he's right
now in number one on the depthchart. They have four receivers signed to

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the active roster, like it's justlike it's just a barren room, like
they need to add to it.And my biggest thing was like, yeah,
the tackle room is probably like thetackle draft class in the draft,
it's probably a little bit top heavy, but you have like Trey Pipkins is
like an average tackle. It's notlike you have like nothing there, Like
he's an average tackle you have,but you don't have any like quality like

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number one receivers on the team.And I think that's something that neighbors can
give you, if you know,if they didn't take Neighbors, I would
rather have traded out to take adifferent tackle than take Joe Alt at five.
And I you know, picking andagain it's a it's a roster that
got kind of like you know,cleaned up a little bit and the off
season, so there's needs at otherpositions, and I think trading down would

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have allowed them to addressed maybe anotherposition at twenty three. But it takes
two to tango, and you know, it didn't really seem like anyone was
interested in coming up for JJ,so it's all good. I do think
that is probably like the biggest takeawayfor what the Chargers did at five was
like there was just no real trademarket that developed for any team to go
up to the fifth pick, anda lot of ways didn't make sense for

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the Giants too, if they didwant JJ McCarthy in that scenario. So
yeah, I don't mind it.There but I think they're going to prime
position. I would say to atleast get somebody in the first five picks
of the second round, or well, who would you would you is there
a wide receiver that you would ratherhave that's on the board right now,
or would you rather see, youknow, maybe a veteran trade for a
guy like t Higgins, Brandon Deepleto kind of fill that wide receiver one

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void for your can Diego Charge.I wouldn't trade. I think if you
trade away Keenan Allen because of salary, you're not gonna trade and sign them,
So I wouldn't. I wouldn't lookedin that direction, honestly at this
point, you know, I thinkAdy Mitchell is probably like one of the
only guys left who can really developinto a wide receiver one. I know
Lad played outside and you know KeonColeman's there. But like at this point,

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you know, maybe it's better tojust like say, you know,
let's we can ignore the receiver position. We'll do it in the third round
and you can go after like aCooper degene or kool aid mchmistry. Like
the Charges don't have corners either,Like you look at their corner room.
It is like completely it they havelike no, it's it's very avoid of
talent. And I think like Cooper, Regene and Kool later both guys who

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are mocked in the first round,So getting them at thirty seven would be
more of a value than someone likelad or maybe ad Mitchell who were you
know, mocked a little bit lateror have like an EVP of uh,
you know in the thirties. Yeah, and the and the Charges do seem
like they have the draft capital todo that, you know, thirty seven
sixty nine one ten, Like Ithink they can. They can really start
to stockpile some talent there and totake some dart throws from that perspective.

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But we're so where do you kindof see the offensive line shaking out?
Do you think that Rashwan's later isthe one who stays at left tackle,
Joel is the one who moves overto right tackle. What do you think
Trey Pipkins, you know, kindof slides into does he become kind of
the backup tackle that'll fill in ifeither one of those guys is injured,
or does he move over to somethinglike right guard? And the Chargers try

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to make their offensive by not haveany weaklinks. Yeah, I think all
it will be a day one starterat right tackle. Like I think they'll
say it's a competition, but like, I really don't think it'll be like
that. I think pick I thinkthere will be some competition between Pipkins and
Slier for right guard, which wouldbe interesting because Pipkins has never played guard
in his life. But I thinkwhoever loses that probably just becomes a swing

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tackle full time. And again,like Trey Pipkins has like an eight million
dollar caphit, so, like youknow, that's probably one of the higher
cap hits for a swing tackle inthe league, unless like Olaf Schandra starts
for the Jets and then Moses orTyron becomes a swing tackle. But I
think Alt is a day one starterfor them. I love this. I

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love this quote. Position positionless wholine is a new one, but it
is something that we kind of sawin the draft, which we'll probably get
to you later. But Arjin,what were some of your other surprises in
the draft? Yeah, I thinkno defenders going until Lot two at fifteen.
I mean I had a feeling,like you know, from from the

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Bears to the Colts, like thatwas gonna be like a big offensive run.
But I still thought like a teamlike the Raiders could use a corner
or like, you know, Ididn't necessarily think the Broncos had to take
a quarterback and like their edge roomis kind of, you know, weak,
and I thought they could have gonewith like a Dallas Turner a lot
too. So that huge run inoffensive players was interesting and and the Law

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two pick is interesting as well,because like you know, the Colts have
Quidy pay O de Yingbo, theyjust Signedbukm last year. You know,
they just resigned to Forrest Buckner andGrover shoot, like they've made a lot
of investment. It's in I dline with like considering Gus Bradley's scheme is
literally built on rush for drop sevenplay cover three, like you need good

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pass rushers, and I think that'swhat lots suprovides. And it wasn't a
surprise pick, and I love thepick and I love the fit for them.
Obviously, hopefully the medicals all staywork out for them. Yeah,
that makes sense. And you broughtup the Raiders. I think that was
another great surprise me as someone wholoves twelve personnel and loves tight ends and

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thinks that in the future, aswe see some of these tight ends kind
of become more you know, blockinghybrid. This is something that we've kind
of disagreed upon. Tage just writtenabout positional university a lot. So I'll
kind of set up a debate here, guys, give us a little about
positional diversity and whether or not youliked to pick just in general the idea

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of like this twelve personnel scheme withtwo tight ends not necessarily the value of
the pick, and then we'll letarj and like talk about his thoughts about
it. Yeah, so if weremove the actual draft value or kind of
like the first round tight end debateaway from this like it is in a
in a vacuum, I can seehow this works out for the Raiders where
you have someone like Rock Bauers,who he's not like he can be considered

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a tight end and he's obviously gonnabe on the smaller side. He might
even play more of a role likePooka Nakua did last year to the Rams
where you split him out wide adecent amount like he did at Georgia.
You can use them in the inthe backfield at times, and even gave
him handoffs like like he also didin college, but also like he's gonna
block decently well enough to at leastprovide extra value there. And so when

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you put him and Mayer out onthe field at the same time, like
I think that will be a prettytough tell for defenses to figure out.
Usually when we see twelve personnel onthe field, it means there's a higher
chance of a run happening. Butlike with Bauers and Mayer out there,
now, maybe that means it's thehigher chance of a pass for the Raiders.
Like I think there's there's a lotof fun stuff they can do with

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their often if they end up schemingit right, just because they can get
into so many different looks where itmight not even be the actual personnel that's
on the field, it's it's reallywhere they're lined up, whether both of
them are out wide, one ofthem is in the slot, one of
them is out wide, you knowthey're in line in the backfield. Like,
there's there's a lot of moving chesspieces that they'll have available to them
because of this pick. Did theyresign Austin Hooper in free agency? Actually,

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I think they might have been aone year deal, which like he's
like a very average tight end ifanything. But I love the point.
I think the main thing is like, does does that he didn't resign?
Did they sign any tight end?They sign my bad? Wrong? Yeah?

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You know, My biggest thing islike does Bowers increase the likelihood that
defenses play bass against that? Looklike if they come out and if they
come out in twelve but Bowers linesup in the slot, will it?
Will it defense still come out withthree linebackers. And I think you do
that typically you'll find that offenses aremore efficient passing against base. So if

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you are able to increase how muchbase defense you're facing, I think it's
a you know, that's one ofthose like second order effects. That's a
good pick. Or I can understandwhy it would be a good pick,
and I could see the value init. But you know, they's still
a Governerman shared quarterback. Like theystill have a pretty you know, weak
offensive line. They need to havea whole at right tackle. They have
a whole you know on the interior, and you know, I Flago was

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right there, Fatanu was right there, Like you know, positional value wise,
like they probably could have gotten bettervalue elsewhere. But I think,
you know, in a bigger pictureoutlook, like, I think it just
increases like tage at the diversity oftheir offense and like how defenses are going
to have to play them, whichI think will be really interesting. Yeah,
I think that's a great breakdown.And I think bringing it back to

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some examples, we saw how theChiefs and the forty nine ers that for
that matter in the playoffs utilized twelveand thirteen personnel to get those looks,
like you about, rather than itjust being kind of you know, you're
trotting somebody out and you're just stickingin Nickel. And I think that may
have been part of the downfall ofthe Falcons last year, you know,
bringing Pits in and and having uhjohnnick Smith Delanny Walker was the speaking of

(50:15):
mixing up Browns, maxing up Titans. But johnick Smith obviously and and just
not getting the looks that they neededmade it hard on Desmond Ridder yeah uh,
and then obviously made hard on TaylorHunekey as well. I think it's
it could be a very similar situation. The difference being is that Bowers is
known for his blocking ability and MichaelMayer was also very known for his blocking

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ability and and in theory, whilethey probably don't have the high end catch
radious catchability of a Kyle Pitts,like these are two kind of of the
more well rounded tight ends that we'veseen come out of a draft, And
obviously you give yourself that kind ofview of Titans typically have a later aging,

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later development curve, and you couldbe in a spot where you have
two great tight ends and maybe buildaround that. I think the quarterback position
obviously needs to be settled to evenmake this in anything, especially if you're
just blocking with these guys anyway andthey're trotting in base and not really a
lot of Yeah, And I dothink there's like an interesting angle to this

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where we've talked so much about howfirst round tight ends like it's it's not
a gamble I would make personally,like I would definitely, you know,
let someone else to try to makethat work because we don't we don't know
really how to project tight ends fromcollege to pro. And then you mentioned
the age curve, like that's alsosomething you have to wait on. I
do think there's an argument to bemade though that tight ends are undervalued on

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their second and third contracts, especiallywhen you compare their receiving yards or their
war whatever type of metric you wantto use to what like wide receiver two
is now get paid, and thenyou kind of can see like, yeah,
tight ends are probably under value there. It's like conditional on these things.
Hit these these picks hitting both Mayorand Bauers. You're not going to
get a ton of surplus value fromtheir rookie contracts, but you should get

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a fair amount of surplus value ontheir second contracts. Obviously, that that
conditional, that condition I put inthere is like the toughest part of it
all. Like I feel less confidentabout Rock Bowers hitting than I do about
any other of these picks in thetop you know, sixteen, other than
the quarterbacks, just because it's it'sso tough to know if tight ends are

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going to do well, you know, at the next level. But like
if they do get that to workfor them, like I think that could
be something that helps them down theline. But you're you're really just predicting
four or five years down the roadand hoping it works out for you when
you really want to try to maximizethese these next three years as a as
a team builder. Yeah, II you know, I just have to

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agree. We talk so much aboutthat positional value, and I think that
goes into what the big surprise waswith the brock Bowers pick. Obviously,
not only that they have a tightend already, but the Raiders do have
a lot of positions of need andyou know, really wrong, we really
won one of those. And soyou know, there's there's just there's so

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many parts to it. But ifthere's a way that it ends up working
out, then more power to them, I suppose. But you just look
at the law of averages kind ofand it typically hasn't broken that way,
and I think that's what typically kindof breaks into some of these surprises.
So another question I wanted to ask, and another thing that typically hasn't worked

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out. You know, the consensusbig board typically does do pretty good as
compared to any given general manager orany given analyst or something like that.
And so the forty nine ers,we've talked a lot about the twelve personnel
and the thirteen personnel and they doone of the best jobs of scheming up
things for guys. But the fortynine ers went and had quite a reach,

(53:53):
probably one of the bigger reaches otherthan maybe Michael Pinnox of the draft
picking Ricky Peter saw at the endof the first round. Well, what
are kind of your thoughts on numberone making that huge reach in number two?
What this shows about what they're goingto do with their wide receiver room.

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Let's start with you, Tash.Yeah. So, I mean when
you look at Ricky pearsall expected draftposition of fifty seven point two from the
Draft Guide, you know, he'salso twenty three point seven years old when
when getting drafted today, So youknow, definitely, definitely one of the
more interesting choices of the first round. Highly athletic, you know, just

(54:35):
someone who took a while to breakout in Florida. But like I think
when you look at what the fortynine ers want to build their offense out
of, it's it's separation and it'syards after catchability because usually those things are
correlated, and I think he fallsin that bucket. I just don't know
if like this wasn't necessarily the timeto take him. Like you mentioned,
like it is an older receiver,you know, it's probably someone that that

(55:00):
might have even been available for youryour second round pick. So definitely one
of the bigger surprises of the draft. But I do trust the infrastructure that
Kyle Shanahan has built to be ableto put rookies into good situations, especially
on offense. And I know ittook Briana you a little bit of time
until he got to a high levelin in the NFL. And and maybe

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we do see that the forty nineers end up moving someone like Deebo Samuel,
you know, tomorrow or on Daythree to kind of supplement this and
and that's like the plan that theyhad in place this whole time. Yeah,
that that that makes a lot ofsense. And I think you have
those two kind of big money guysat you and Samuel. Samuel's had a
lot of, you know, injuryissues there. Ben, I want to

(55:44):
I want to get a feeling foryou. Do you think Pearsall is in
the mix for like a fantasy contributornext year? Do you think maybe he
gets involved in the rush game,Like how do you see him fitting into
the forty nine ers. Yeah,I very much think the forty Niners kind
of have an atypical type at thewide super position, not only in who
they're trying to draft, but alsolike the way in which they're utilizing him,
and I do think like the RickyPiersoll draft selection, although it seems

(56:07):
a little bit like a reach,like it does make sense within the confines
of the boy that they're probably goingto be needing to fill here in the
next couple of days or something.I very much think that it does signal,
you know, movement of either BrandonAyuk or people Deepo Samuel. I'm
assuming it would probably be Deepo Stambulalthough the contract situation that he's under like
they're not gonna get a ton ofvalue of anything really for him, and

(56:30):
that could very much just be likea lateral move. But bringing in Piersall,
I think at least can answer someof those questions. And although he
didn't have a ton of like therushing usage that a guy like Deebo Samuel
would check to have like he does, he does have the adletism. But
he is a guy that can moveand play basically any single any any particular

(56:51):
wide receiver position, can play insideand outside and doesn't necessarily need to do
it be like a traditional X widereceiver. And I think that's the reason
why at least makes sense from ateam building standpoint, So if I was
trying to project like an ideal state, I would at least be more accepted
of what the forty nine ers didin this particular case than like the brock
Bowers and the Raiders and the twelvepersonnel thing in us trying to project like

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that being the successful thing is kindof the only scenario would work out.
Yeah, that was a pretty bigsurprise, And so we have a question.
Did the Niners want Worthy and hadto go Piersall after the Chiefs jump
them? Arsen Murty your thoughts,I don't think so. I just don't
think Worthy like kind of fits whatShanahan wants to do at the receiver position.
Like Mike McDaniel, maybe that wouldhave worked, But like I don't

(57:37):
see Shanahan prioritizing like speed that muchas maybe some of his other assistants.
Also, Like I don't know ifPurdy has the arm ticket to like you
know, through it to get itto Worthy on a deep rout or anything.
But like going off bench point,like Piersall, like his athleticism is
grade, he's also like a biggerreceiver, right, So, like know

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Shanahan had built his offense around throwingover the middle of the field, and
so you need some of those likebigger body receivers to like make those contested
catches. Like you know, Ithink Pearce All could eventually maybe develop into
what Juwan Jennings has been for themon their down on some of those like
inbreakers or things like that. AndI think Jennings was he was an RFA,
I think, so I think hegot tendered, so he's only on
a one year deal, so youknow, even if they don't move,

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Iuker Deebo, like Pierceall is goingto have like a specific role. And
I think like because of the attentionthat you can debo both get like,
he has the opportunity to get alot of one on one coverage, probably
with the worst corner on the defense, and so I think he could contribute
right away. And I think becauseof his build, I think you could
fit Shanahan offense quite well. Yeah, that makes sense. And talking about

(58:44):
kind of the fit of a player, you kind of bemoaned that in the
media. We were talking about,you know, jac Latham going to your
Chargers and and how he may notbe a great fit there and Tay's you
also highlighted as one of your bigsurprises that you know, JC Latham went
over Olafashan, who's one of thosemore classic, you know, left tackles.

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So Argena, I want to getfirst just like a short brief scouting
report of kind of JC Latham outsideof context, and then Tage moved to
you where talking about kind of yoursurprise there. Yeah, So, I
mean Latham played right tackle Aabama prettymuch his whole career. He's I think
he was considered it to be likethe strongest UH tackle in the class.

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So he's probably the guy like youconsider like like a road grader, someone
who's gonna improve your run game rightaway. Like he's the guy I think
I would go to right uh Beforethat, I think, like what,
like I most I'm not gonna usea one game sample sized to evaluate him,
but like looking back at that MichiganAlabama game, I thought he chuckled
a little bit in past pro especiallyagainst some of those stunts and twists that

(59:50):
Michigan ran, But that was theoffensive line in general there, So I
think he'll improve them, especially inthe run game. He's gonna go to
Bill Callahan, who's probably gonna makehim, you know, an all pro
or propol at some point. ButI am curious if they're going to move
them over to left tackle because that'swhere they have like their whole after cutting
Andre Dillard. Right, Yeah,No, I mean those those that's a

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lot of good points. Like Ithink when you look at at Latham and
even going into some of the datawe have from stats bomb, like he
had the longest average length of engagementof any tackle in this class, so
he's someone who will will sustain hisblock for a while. He also had
the lowest tackle rate allowed in therun game. So, like you mentioned

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with Bill Calahan, like I thinkthose might be things that that you want
out of your tackles. I thinkthe Browns were really good at kind of
those two things these past couple ofyears. Were Like with that Nick Chubb
run game, like you rarely sawyou know, miss blocks, and Nick
Chubb would would take advantage of thoseyou often saw, especially in Baker's best

(01:00:52):
year in twenty twenty, Like theBrowns off the line would hate would would
hold up a lot, especially whenhe's doing a lot of play action.
So like maybe that's kind of thevision that they see with this late them
pick, but it did surprise me, just because he had an eedp of
seventeen, so he was projected togo a little bit after the middle of
the first round. Forshanhu was thirteenand a half, so a couple of

(01:01:14):
picks earlier. He was the offensivetackle too, and he was more of
a well rounded tackle. But yeah, I mean I do trust kind of
what the Titans are doing from froman offensive line perspective, Like I think
that there you can they're scouting isprobably pretty good when it comes to this
stuff. In n Carton, youknow, showed a strong investment offensive line
last year and he's kind of continuingthat this year with this pick as well.

(01:01:37):
Yeah, that makes sense, andso we talk about you know,
they go into these road graders.They invested into Peter Scronski a year or
two ago, and so they've investeda lot kind of in this offense both
at all at all parts of thehave DeAndre Hopkins, you pay a Calvin

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Ridley, you obviously pick up twoquarterbacks. And in past drafts with with
Levis and Willis, Ben tell usabout some of the fantasy aspects of this,
like should should we be looking atCalvin Ridley now in that kind of
new system. Does Taj Spears,my guy from two lane, all of
a sudden become an option? Uhin fantasy? What's kind of the outlook

(01:02:17):
now from this Titans team? Yeah, I think it's I think it's really
muddy, to be honest with you, and I think we do need to
understand exactly what Will Levis is capableof at the end of level. I
think in some ways we got towe got a taste of it, but
I don't know if we got thewhole piece of the pie. I would
say the whole you know, kitt, And like, I'm as big of
a Taj Spear guy as anybody inthis group except for maybe Sam. But

(01:02:40):
like there's like I think in everysingle fantasy position, there's just like there's
like a one A and a oneB option to the point where they could
go in out of the direction obviouslygetting Tony Pollard in that backfield, Like
it's not going to really free upa ton of space with Taj Spears.
So I do like the Kelvin Ridleymove for them to kind of get a

(01:03:00):
bona fide number one wide receiver,But I think it's still really mugd with
like Nick Westbrook Accoon as well asyou know DeAndre Hopkins in the fold they
have you know'll be o'conaway as wellat the title for me. So but
like I still think like they are, you know, like third or fourth

(01:03:23):
in the AFC South. And Ijust don't know if I have answered I
have enough confidence. And Will LevisI would say to like really bring about
like a top ten offense. AndI think because of that and the way
in which this ball is probably gonnabe distributed, I don't see a ton
of like marquee fantasy talent happening,I would say in Tennessee this season.

(01:03:46):
Sure. And and so as wekind of move from this biggest surprises space
to for the biggest winners phase,I do want to mention one surprise that
that came up for me at least, And it's kind of part of parcel
to the greater trend of the defensiveplayers going later. But all those cornerbacks
that we thought, you know,maybe two or three maybe off the board

(01:04:06):
by like seventeen if not twenty,all kind of slide down, which leads
to the hometown Detroit Lions trading upTerry and Arnold all of a sudden he's
on the mic, the people ofDetroit or rowdy, we're all watching and
excited. Obviously, Tays, youcame into today saying that corner was probably

(01:04:27):
a position of need, big surprisefor you, big winner. Perhaps,
what's kind of your view with Yeah, I mean, I think like the
Lions would have traded out I thinkof twenty nine probably out of the first
round if the draft wasn't being hostedin Detroit. I do think that the
reaction of the crowd probably made itworth it for the Fords for Brad Holmes
to end up making that pick,going up jumping the packers and taking Terry

(01:04:49):
Arnold there. I mean, youlook at Arnold like he was someone who
was supposed to go decent amount higherthan he ended up going. I do
think that Nick Saban a really interestingpoint on his show talking about how he
thinks that that kool aid mcinstry islike a one A compared to Terry Arnold.
So so maybe there's there's a littlebit of gap between how how scout

(01:05:10):
the Arnold versus you know, kindof the the general consensus on him.
But like Arnold win targeted last yearwas was really really good. You know,
at preventing successful plays, at preventingexplosive plays. I think when you
looked at the Lions cornerback room lastyear, they had they had the most
struggle of anyone in the league atguarding wide receiver ones. So you want
to try to take someone at thatposition that is going to try to be

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able to give you a chance todo that. It's going to be a
steep learning curve for him. He'she's going to have to have some tough
competition both in the NFC North andoutside of that. But if he can
develop to be someone who can atleast slow down some of the big like
Mike Evans massive playoff game, Pukunakuahad a massive playoff game, you know,
justin Jefferson, even coming back fromfrom injury, did did really well

(01:05:56):
against the Lions, like I thinkthey did. They just really need to
try to stop the bleeding there andhopefully he can provide something like that.
Like obviously, Brad Holmes is someonewho's very confident in his scouting ability.
He's going to try to trade up. Sometimes it doesn't work out, like
with the Jamison Williams pick. Youknow, sometimes it works. His scouting
works out really well with the SamLaporta Bryan Branch picks last year, so

(01:06:18):
it's it's always going to be amixed bag of those, and I think
if this one falls in line withmore of the latter, it could be
really successful for the Lions. Yeah. That so moving from a corner the
Lions moving into a big winner,Bin, I believe you had the Eagles
as a big winner this time.Yeah. I mean I think as far
as like teams letting the draft cometo them and very much like not only

(01:06:40):
filling a position of need for ateam premium position, getting the best guy
at that position from everything that I'vebeen looking at at the cornerback position,
like getting Quinny on Mitchell twenty twooverrawl. Like it's just something that Howie
Roseman seems to do year in andyear out, and I think it's like
a sound team building approach. Astrategy is to kind of let is unfold

(01:07:00):
before you and then really just likehone in on the cracks that have happened
because of the mistakes of the peoplethat I've drafted before you. And I
think that's what he did once again, and it's just like a continuous thing
and that there's a reason why youknow they're going to be in the running
for the NFC you know, divisionchampionship every single year now going to be
favorites once again. It's because ofmoves like this, and I very much
think he is going to plug andfill a need for legitimate contender and could

(01:07:25):
probably be, you know, oneof the one of the more one of
the more key players to an actualsuccessful team coming out of this draft.
Of anybody, I would say thatwas picked in the first round for sure.
And you look at just kind ofthe value that we got. I
mean, we've talked about them kindof sliding. There was a lot of
teams that got involved in trades.You look at the Jaguars, you look

(01:07:46):
at the Jets. We're all analyticsguys up here, and we all advocate
for kind of understanding the chart,and so walk me through kind of the
thought process ourg of of You know, if you're the Jaguars and you trade
back to get a Brian Thomas junior, and what does that value kind of
reap for them later? What doyou expect him to do with it?

(01:08:09):
Obviously they also get a weapon forTrevor Lawrence, having had Calvin Ridley out
goo what's kind of next for theJags? And you know it is analytics
kind of a winner of this draft. We see six quarterbacks go, we
see lots of very few non premiumposition players go, and we see some
trades back. Yeah, I thinkI know Trent Balkey, like you know,

(01:08:31):
he doesn't get as a grade ofa rep. I think in like
the public steer, but in backto back drafts, now he's like traded
back in the first round and stilladdressed the position of need. I think
coming into the draft, I thoughtthey were going to get a corner.
You know, they cut Darius Williams. I know they signed Ronald Darby,
but like really as a two yeardeal, that's probably a one year deal,
and that's in some sense so likethey need a long term guy.
And so up to that point atpick seventeen, there had been no corners

(01:08:56):
off the board, So I'm like, Okay, they probably traded back because
they don't think anyone from seventeen tothe Eagles We're going to take a corner.
And so when Quinnin and Mitchell wentoff the board, I'm like,
Okay, they still have Terry andArnold. But then you know, Brian
Thomas is still there, and Ithink, you know, some of the
value. I don't have the tradechart or the you know, whatever value
they got, even though I thinkit was a really good deal for them,
right because Vikings, because it's twentytwenty five, third and four,

(01:09:19):
Yeah, they had like a secondround. So so that's an interesting one
because like we we've had so manydiscussions about like discounting future picks and I
don't know what you know, TrentBalkey's like job security is like I don't
know if Jacksonville misses the playoffs thisyear, like you could be wraps.

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But like knowing that Minnesota has likea really bad left tail, especially starting
a rooky quarterback like JJ who youngestquarterback in the draft, could have a
really bad transition period, that thirdround pick would be extremely high. And
so I really like, you know, them trying to get future picks where
it could be higher than where theVikings were picking this year. So from
that person active again without seeing thecharts, like I really like the process

(01:10:01):
there, and like, you know, I think they probably wanted a corner
a receiver, and I thought receiversa better pick than corner because they need
to try to maximize this Lawrence Rookiedeal, which I don't think they've done
a great job of. Yeah.No, I mean that's a great point,
right, Like it's we always talkabout how teams always are over confident
in both how they're going to performnext year and how much they're going to

(01:10:24):
need those future picks, and Ithink the Jaguars took advantage of both of
that in this trade where you pickup picking up a future third and a
future fourth is huge. That's goingto give you so much flexibility in the
next year with if you do wantto package those and move up, you
know you can, you can dothat, and those are kind of just
extra picks that that you ended upgetting, and you're still taking a premium

(01:10:44):
position with the trade back of aplayer that was considered that either the wide
receiver four or wide receiver five inthis class from a consensus perspective, like
I think it was, it wasa really good move, you know,
from them. I also think thatthat your Jets also did like something very
similar where they they traded back theypicked up about an early fourth in value,

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and then they took a premium positionand you know, at a at
a position where there's a high chancethat they don't get a full seventeen games
out of both of their starting tacklesright now. So like I think,
I think, like that's another winner, where like they use the trade charts
to their advantage. They they tooka premium position when they moved back,
and they still got good value outup all of that. Sorry, go

(01:11:30):
ahead. I was gonna say,like another thing, like I think people,
you know, maybe if people don'tlike the analytics because we're like always
trade back. But like those picksthat they use, they got the third
and the fourth, Like that's howyou that's what you can use to get
old the Jerry sneed. That's whatyou can use to improve your roster.
Now they're probably gonna have paid Lawrenceby the time this time next year,
where they're probably not gonna have moneyto like trade and sign to a future
extension. But like if someone justcomes up on the market as someone they

(01:11:55):
could trade for, like Eve andBrandon Cooks run for a fifth and Mark
Cooper run for a fifth, JerryJudy went for or uh what like something
closer with like a day two value. Yeah, when the net value everything
like those picks in the future youcan use to get established players, you
know, it doesn't have to bea rookie. So that's also something where
like I think the jobs did wellfor and hopefully bogies around to use those

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picks. And I mean I lovethe Brian Thomas pick for them as well.
Yeah, And I think then youobviously were on the other side of
these trades from a process point ofview. I mean, you have a
quarterback, but I think we allkind of agree that if you think that's
a good quarterback, and if yourprocess says, like, you know,
we won't be in a position wherewe have to pride to scramble for a

(01:12:41):
quarterback anymore playing Josh Dobbs in themiddle of the year or pick people up
like that. What's kind of theprocess moving forward now that you've kind of
pushed on your chips into the center. Yeah, I mean, I think
and we saw it. I wouldsay with the move up to seventeen,
is like they're going to continue topush as far as possible. They're not
they might not have any picks itcomes out, but I think like overall,

(01:13:02):
like there is a window and anexpectation that I think the Vikings need
to prove to certain players that theywant to win and they're wanting to win
now. And I think they aredoing that, and they are in some
ways maybe mortgaging the future from adraft picks standpoint. To do that we
have seen other teams do that hasn'tnecessarily worked out that well. It could

(01:13:25):
be a yeah, and I thinkkind of moving into there's teams that can
trade back, but then you havethat position of need and like my my
New Orleans Saints never trade back.And but but today, you know,
it worked out. They got aplayer kind of dead on spot on e

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DP who you know people look atas a good tackle that can probably swing
from the bar. There's questions abouttheir guard depth and tackle depth, and
he probably slots into a starting tackleposition. And and say a Ryan Ramchick
comes back, he maybe he swingsto the left tackle where he feels in

(01:14:09):
a guard and he's a useful player. I think another pick that we all
liked in this kind of same veinwas the Steelers with Troy Thoutan Tage.
What were your kind of thoughts onthat pick? Yeah, I mean it
it is just classic Steelers, likereally letting everything come to them. I
think omar Con did did a goodjob here where he got taken, you
know, a little bit after hisexpected draft position, so they gained a

(01:14:31):
little bit of value there. Likehe's he's just such a good tackle prospect,
especially when when you look at someof his his data, you know,
and like what he can provide you. Like, I think he's done
a really good job of showing thathe's highly athletic. He'd a ninety fourth
percentile predictive athleticism score. He wassomeone who didn't allow pressures at that high

(01:14:53):
of a rate predicting for Michael Pennix, you know, was able to someone
that they could run behind with DelJohnson. Like, I think that that
he did a good job of playingat Washington last year, someone our scouts
said was was pretty pretty high endagility, pretty high flexibility and play speed.
So like, I think the Steelersdid a great job of addressing a

(01:15:15):
need and also taking someone who cancan have that flexibility that, like you
mentioned argent of playing as guard ortackle depending on where they have the opening.
Okay, I don't know if he'dbe able to look it up he
would be would he be playing lefttackle for the Steelers because I think I
saw something where like He's going tobe right and then broder Jones is going

(01:15:36):
to move back to left, whichis where he played at Georgia. Yeah,
so our LEDs has it projected asas Patanu is at right tackle and
Jones is that left. So likeokay, I just like don't understand why
they would do that, Like,like why like Fatan who played left in
college, and I know Roderick playedleft in college as well, but he's
had a full season and he didn'tplay the full season at right, but

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like he's had reps, he's playedin games at right tack, and now
you're gonna switch both of them,Like yeah, it's like that's I love
the pick. I think obviously theyhave anita tackle, but like switching him
to right, Like, I justlike, I don't understand why they wouldn't
play at their natural position. Yeah, that makes sense, And I think
he was obviously in the mix forthe for the Saints as well at the

(01:16:17):
time. Obviously, sides gets pickedup by the Steelers, but a lot
of people want to move in theguard, and I think back to the
comment about swing linemen that was kindof the name of the game of kind
of past the Joe Alts and toa point past the shoun Is of like
these guys were all kind of swinginglinemen, which was kind of weird for

(01:16:38):
this for any given first round draft, but they were all very talented and
so you see that. And obviouslywhether he does play right or left,
they've now kind of solidified those twopremium positions while they're trying to figure out
the quarterback position. So then Iwanted to ask you, now they have
two tackles, what does this meanfor a potential Russell Wilson justin fields battle?

(01:16:58):
I mean, I I do agreewith you, I think to me,
and I think it was Jeff Schwartzwho tweeted this in like the last
couple of days. I'm looking forthe tweet basically, But I think he's
very much you know, you know, helped write like the slowan analytics paper
on you know, tackle depth,and like some things with like the past
protection and how he can use trackingdata, and very much has like helped
you know, Eric Page and everyonekind of like understand you know, offensive

(01:17:21):
line play. And he he actuallydoesn't really think it's a benefit to have
a guy that can play like multiplemultiple positions on the offensive line, and
this is like something that he thinksprobably is overvalued and maybe like can actually
be a little bit of a hindranceto a guy developing correctly at the NFL
level. And I think, likethat's maybe my concern with a couple of

(01:17:42):
these topics is like I'm very muchnot the you know, not the purveyor
of like offensive line projection and howthese prospects are going to fit in.
But if you know somebody that Ithink very highly of it is saying some
of those things, I think itat least carries weight to be studied a
little bit more. But I thinkoverall, like from the Steelers standpoint,
like it hasn't changed my outlook thatI would expect justin Field to be started

(01:18:05):
by like week four. I dothink there's just like something within what like
Tomlin wants to do offensively that justinFields can be successful out a lot more
than Russell Wilson will, especially withlike the pieces that they have around them
for sure for sure. And guys, we've we've crossed the one twenty hour

(01:18:25):
we're into this is officially summer sports. After Darnal CAF we have three thousand
plus viewers tonight, So thank youeveryone out there. We've talked about some
of the best stuff. Let's closeit out. You know we have we're
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(01:18:48):
shaken out, a lot of newperviews, clearer eyes on how the season
may go. I'll start the startit off with, you know, a
great fantasy play I think is checkingout Exavierworthy. A lot of stuff have
been going on at Chiefs locker roomin the city of Dallas on interstates that
need not be talked about. Butyou know, Xavier Worthy maybe a new

(01:19:09):
option given the speed given given developingwith Mahomes Texas Sky. Also, you
know, it'll be interesting to seewhat he can do in fantasy and I
think he may be someone who maybe able to slide into a good position
to make a lot of plays asa rookie. So, Taja, I
want to ask you, like andjust kind of going down the line,

(01:19:29):
what's one move that was made todaythat kind of can can give us a
clear view on someone who may beimpactful in the fantasy game. Yeah,
I mean the David Worthy one Ithink is huge. Like you mentioned,
like anyone who gets gets put onthe Chiefs like instantly has their their value
rise, which is which is reallygood for him, you know, from
a fantasy perspective, I think MalikNeighbors as a as where he was pre

(01:19:54):
draft to now probably took a littlebit of a hit because you know,
there's there's gonna be a little bitof a target share competition for the Giants.
I think that they've invested a lotin a lot of different or the
same type of receiver like over andover, but like there's so many of
them that the target shares are goingto be spread out there. And then
like we don't we still are souncertain about what their quarterback play is going

(01:20:16):
to look like next year, whetherwe get which which Daniel Jones we get,
whether we get the one year wherehe played at at a decent level
or the kind of the other careerDaniel Jones. So like I think it's
gonna be harder for him to getgoing from day one. I think that
you know, Argie and I havetalked about this before, Like there were
analytics analytical models in the league thathad Neighbors over Harrison Junior, you know,

(01:20:41):
depending on on kind of like theinputs to your models. But like,
I think Marvin Harrison is is definitelya tier above Neighbors now just because
he's gonna have Kyler Murray thrown tohim and he's going to be the clear
wide receiver one in that offense wherethey don't really have much other competition at
wide receiver, while Neighbors probably droppeda little bit because of his situation for

(01:21:03):
sure, Ben, what are yourthoughts. I mean, I think personally,
Marvin Harrison is going to crush thisseason. I think in a lot
of ways like he was to me. You know, clearly they had a
elite Neighbors from a prospect standpoint,I think the target sharer opportunity that he
has, you know, going upagainst guys like Greg Dorch, you know,
Chris Wilson, Like, there's justnot a lot there, right,

(01:21:25):
And if you think the if youthink the Cardinals are going to be somewhat
bad, like it creates more passinggame volume in general for Marvin Harrison.
So I think it's obvious, butI think, like I think there's probably
especially in like dynasty drafts, thatMarvin Harrison should probably be like the consensus
number and overall selection heading out ofthis. I know it was pretty much
a lot that he was going toArizona if they stayed there. But I

(01:21:47):
think now that it's happened and we'llsee what they do in the next couple
of rounds. But to me,like there's not a lot of competition there
and they're going to be throwing thefootball a lot, and I think Marvin
Harrison could very much have that rookiebreak up that a lot of people are
projecting. Yeah, I gotta agreeBen with Alex here no doors slander that
the guy I've played against and confirmat leads to the two lane back in

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defensive backfield. He was very terrified. Let's close it out with you who
as the special guest. Who's what'sa clear picture you got from today in
terms of fantasy, Yeah, it'seasy. Just don't draft Justin herbert and
any the ball. Yeah, targersare looking to establish the run. They're
going to be running the ball,I mean, and even if they don't

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run the ball, I mean,I don't know who Justin Herbertson throw to
at this point, like maybe theydraft someone I did to. Maybe they
they're probably not going to trade foranyone, but like they're just like I
don't see any viable option for himbeing like a top twelve or top fourteen
guy that he just doesn't have weaponsthrower right now. And just the way
they've kind of approached the offseason,signing two running backs, signing zero receivers,

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you know, drafting alts in thefirst I think it all signals Tours
a pretty heavy run heavy approach,like Harbo had it. Yeah, I
mean we were we thought that theywere going to take an offense line,
and I think we've been talking aboutthat for a couple of weeks, but
like, yes, today did confirm, like a, right, maybe I'm
gonna talk myself into taking Josh Palmera bunch of fantasy because like, who
else is going to get targets?Right Like when I ran my initial target

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share model, he's top five inthe league in target share just from like
kind of default. So it's like, yeah, maybe maybe Josh Palmer is
really the biggest winner of tonight justbecause he's going to be getting all the
targets for the Chargers this next yearfor sure. And so the great news
about the draft, especially round one, is if you're like oursian and you're

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kind of down in the dumpsons happeningthere, it's always day two and Day
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