October 24, 2024 • 49 mins
Swole Cinema Episode 39 takes flight, and this week Ryan and Mark are diving into the dark and atmospheric world of "The Crow". Starring the legendary Brandon Lee, this cult classic is a haunting tale of vengeance, love, and redemption.
From the gothic visuals to Brandon Lee's tragic yet mesmerizing performance, we’ll explore what makes "The Crow" such an unforgettable film. We’ll also talk about the film's legacy, its stunning cinematography, and how it became a beloved icon of '90s cinema.
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From the gothic visuals to Brandon Lee's tragic yet mesmerizing performance, we’ll explore what makes "The Crow" such an unforgettable film. We’ll also talk about the film's legacy, its stunning cinematography, and how it became a beloved icon of '90s cinema.
#SwoleCinema #TheCrow #BrandonLee #CultClassic #GothicCinema #PodcastEpisode #TuneInNow #90sMovies #MovieMagic #CinematicAdventure
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody? Me me welcome, Just will send them up.
I'm marking as always. The guy cracking the beer over
there is Ryan. Ryan. Wait, why are we singing? I
don't know how you started lea the way. Hey, everybody,
(00:29):
welcome to another episode of your favorite show, and this
one we're gonna talk about probably one of the most
awesome epic action movies, sci fi movies, What He Is,
comic book movies from nineteen ninety four, The Crow.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I feel like this movie has over the years has
almost probably like got us got like cult status, but
like more of a status. It's probably I don't want
to say overrated, but like it's bigger than it probably
should be. Like it's built up so well because it
was a really good movie. I really liked it, but
I feel like certain people hold it and it's just
(01:11):
the most ridiculous esteem, you know, Like again, I like
it the movie Like I'm not.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Trying to try. You're starting to pretty aggressively. It sounds
like starting to pick a fight.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, I really like it, but I mean, I just
think some people just love this movie so much that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know I'd really like if you tilted that Mike
more towards your mouth high professional podcaster my ass never
claimed that, but no, like, let's just let's just go
and we'll just talk about it while we go through it.
How about that? Well I could disagree with most of
that out of the game, but I agree, like, yeah,
definitely hit cult status for sure. Yeah, Brandon Lee, rest
(01:50):
in peace. Ernie Hudson. I'm going to lester.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Completely forgot about Ernie.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Right, And then cast of characters that are well straight
out of a comic book because the movie is based
on a comic book, The Crow by James Obarr. I
don't know if you know, I mean the whole He
wrote it to deal with the loss of his fiance. Yeah,
(02:18):
I just read down. I was like, oh, well that's
that's pretty crazy because she was killed by a drunk driver. Yeah.
Now I watched something Just don't quote me, but I
watched a video where they're talking about like it was
one of the situations where you know, he needed something
and she's like, oh, I'll go get it. That happened.
So he really blamed himself with there's so much guilt,
(02:42):
but this was, you know, writing The Crow was a catharity.
Was was way for him to deal with all that.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, all that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That was.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That was like his what he said, his third his
third try it, trying to dealing with it. I forget
what one was, but like two was like taking every
drug pill, alcohol, like just drowning yourself on that. And
he realized that's both of those. That's that's not gonna
help me deal with it. That's gonna do one thing
and it's not deal with it.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But yeah, write in the comic book. I guess it worked. Yeah,
or is at least a way to deal with it.
I don't know if you can ever right, Yeah, you
can't get over it, but maybe your way to come.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To come to terms. Yeah, come to peace, Come to peace.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I don't know. But there's a lot of people that
left in pieces in this movie trying to bring it
around who were just getting a little depressing the angry,
especially like I even read too that you know then
when Brandon uh you know was killed on set and
then having it had even more guilt, Oh God, because
(03:48):
of it now. Actually, uh, Brandon Lee wasn't even one
of the first choices I think I read. I think
I read that Christian Slater what it was being kicked
around a little bit. Stonio seemed to be just stupid.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I didn't get any names, but I saw like, yeah,
they didn't necessarily think Brandon Lee at first, but they
were trying to do like athlete guy, like kind of
athletic guys and then straight actors, and but they're like
neither one of them combined what Brandon Lee did. He
was athletic because of his martial arts background, but also
you know, solid actor, like that's why, that's why it
was immediately like, no, this is definitely the guy.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And this When it came out, I went to see
it probably like first week it was out with my
went with my martial arts instructor, and we loved it.
Now he was really into comic books. He was more
familiar with the kind of book. I never read it,
but we loved it. We came out of there it
was talking how great it was. We had so much fun,
(04:49):
and I was telling my friend about it. He's like, oh, awesome,
I want I want to see this, Like shit, I'll
go again tomorrow. So we went saw it and left
and on the way out, he was like, I need
you to tell me why you like that movie. As we're
talking about I need you to tell me why you're not
an idiot. I needn't tell me why why you think
that movie is great? That movie was terrible. He just
(05:09):
we like in this huge argument. He's like, that movie
was terrible. It was like a comic book. I'm like, yeah, yes,
it's based on the comic book. But he was relentless.
He wouldn't let up the entire drive home. He was
just hammering me and like I need, I need you
to tell me why you like it, which led me
to only My only response was like, how about go
fuck yourself. We're not friends anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Ever since that day or was it something else, That
day definitely started a trend. Like I get like, okay,
it wasn't for me, but to just like rate someone
the whole time for liking a movie for a car
ride like that seems a bit excessive.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah. Yeah, if you're listening a bit of an asshole,
name names, come on. So I you know I always
love this movie, but it does you know you could
see this movie? H Well, if you watch movies, you'll
see bits of the Crow where he lights up, you know,
(06:13):
the Crow, fire Batman, what the dark Knight rises when
he lit up the symbol of the bat Dared Devil
with Ben Affleck always did they do something.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
To he what's this the one guy like lit up
just in gas and the guys front yard I'm legend
Glenn Howard or Dennis Dennis's lit up in this guy's
yarden gas.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, is that gasoline I smell? So I feel like
this movie it it resonated. Yeah, and people were you know,
like even the matrix has a little bit of that vibe,
you know, the dark tones. The outfits.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, the outfit choices were was that was one
of the first things where rewatching it. I really, uh,
I was curious about the outfit choices at the beginning
because we you know, it's it's kind of it's it's
not one of those movies that works backwards, but you're
you know, you're kind of put into the scene and
then they you know, do some flashbacks to tell you like, oh,
(07:20):
this is why you're invested in this ship, like because
this guy and this girl and all that. But so
Brandon Lee like comes back one year one year later,
Brandon Lee break just comes out of the grave and
he's looked like he was wearing the same clothes he
was murdered in like it looked like they had cuts
and blood on them. I knew the shirt itself was
cut yeah in the back, Yeah, because they do that
(07:41):
at funeral homes. I guess, easier address the dead.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
All right, my bad then to like, you know, lift
a dead body up, and so they cut the.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Shirt so they can kind of just maybe that was
what I was like, it just looked like.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I imagine a year in the ground, the shirt might deterior. Yeah,
he had to work hard, he just like materialize come
back as like a spirit. He had to dig his way.
The crow pecked on the gravestone. He had like dig
his way up.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I just thought out there, I just thought it was
a supernatural thing that at the top of the coffin
just came pushed itself up, because that's like I mean,
I don't know, like I didn't well, he.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Definitely was enhanced right by whatever power the crow game.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay, Yeah, But then then you meet Sarah, the like
twelve thirteen year old little young girl who they have
in the first like half the movie in like ripped
fishnet stockings.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Right. That was a nineties grange baby, I guess. And
the town was definitely. Like that reminds me of how
Gotham is in The Batman, Like it's just the town
is just over the top. It gave you big city
grimy like, yeah, apparently it was dark and rainy and
(08:56):
everybody and it's bad and the cops.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, apparently it was filmed in Detroit, so it plays well.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I guess the whole thing with Detroit because it was
like Devil's Night. They were talking about the fires. Apparently
that was the thing. Yeah, that happened back in the eighties.
Maybe I guess we're setting fires on the Halloween eve
Devil's Night.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And some people were into that shit weird I got I.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Read somewhere like after the Crow, though, I kind of
eased off. I'm not saying that the movie helped the
people that wanted to set fires be.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Like, oh yeah, that seems weird, like under.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Brand Lee will stop setting fires. I don't think that's
how it happened. Maybe it's just maybe they I'm assuming
maybe the cops cracked down right on these arsons say.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That that seems like the opposite where people have just been,
you know, the wacky wos out there being like, you know,
life imitates life. Or life imitates or whatever you like.
You go out and that thing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Did it on the screen. Let's go see some fires. Well,
art imitates life, but he part of I think I
read James Obar also took that a murder America or
newly went or the night before their wedding were murdered,
someone stole their wedding, their wedding rings or something. Oh yeah,
so you know because Eric and Shelley in the movie
(10:11):
were murdered, uh the night before their wedding. Yeah, by
a serious cast of fucking characters. That's some of the
most straight up comic book names.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Well we got Tin Tin t fun Boy.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
T Bird, T Bird mostly my former friend. We'd be like,
what the fuck right it was? I mean, it was
really like that was that was the one those things too.
It was really weird to like, I get it those
guys were working for someone else, but the whole purpose
(10:52):
and situation of that, like the bad organization I guess whatever,
was never really defined on what they need, how they like,
why they were doing things, like they supposedly were just
like a mob of some sort, right, Like the one
point like they Eric mob, the big boss is his
name was top Dollar. Well, that guy reminded me like
(11:16):
he was trying to do his best imitation of McLeod
from Highlander, like the like what's his name? Yeah, he
was like he like he sounded like he had the long,
beautiful long hair. He sounded like he was talking to
words and so it's talking kind of slower like. He's
reminded me of that a lot too much really, but
for being for being an undeveloped character, you know, like whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
But he has his name Michael Wincott, Yeah, top Dollar.
It was.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, it was just weird that that wasn't really explained anything.
Like at one point they're talking about like Devil's Night
and they're like, yeah, let's go set some fires make money.
I'm like, how are you making money just by setting fires?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I don't know, like fire it up.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, Eric, Eric and Shelley are murdered because they're trying
to like they were fighting in aviction notice from someone.
But at the same time, if usually when like a
big company or a mob or something I got trying
to evict someone there, it's because they wanted to develop
building and make something. Eric Draven climbs out of the
grave a year later and it's the crime scene is
still intact. Nothing has changed like there, their place was untouched.
(12:18):
Like yeah, I feel like the bad gys were just bad, right,
there were just pieces of shit to be pieces of
shit there.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It wasn't like all right, so there wasn't no like
character development. Yeah, but I get it, like it's a
we have a I guess you'd even call it an
anti hero. You're you're you're rooting for the guy murdering
other people because we know.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well, right, those guys totally deserve well they murdered first.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So but I don't know if I needed I didn't
need character development on the four people he needed to kill.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It didn't stop the enjoyment. It was just like, well,
there's just one of those things where like it was.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
One like it would maybe you're right, maybe like kind
of understanding it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It made the last like fifteen to twenty minutes seemed
like it didn't need to be there, like like whenever
whenever top Dollar, his like sister apparently his stepsister Asian
stepsister and right and uh and his his bodyguard whatever
that other like his top lieutenant or whatever. It was
(13:22):
like like it could have been a he like he
gave you, like that big scene where they're shooting the
shit out of Brandon.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh yeah, his main lieutenant was the candyman. I'm your kid,
not that candy man from the horror movie.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, but yeah, so like that scene, he basically points
at Skank and is like, I'm only here for him. Yeah,
but they decide to unload weapons and do everything to
try to kill him, and so then he gets the
skank kills him.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It could have been over. No, it wasn't. Was brought
it brought him back for revenge. That was it. Those
four guys, right, those four guys, And even that there's
a scene where he's down like it's Halloween. Uh, and
he can kind of fit in because the way he looks,
(14:08):
but he's kind of just laughing. Kids run by again,
who's letting their kids do.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
In that neighborhood?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, but he he kind of laughs a little bit.
It's over, Like he he was brought back to kill
these four people. But the bad guy does what bad
guys do. Fuck up, right, Steve Stealing Shelley, kidnapping, Stealing,
kidnapping Sarah Sarah Sarah Shelley was like his wife said,
(14:35):
they killed the beginning Yeah, it kind of like he
had more revenge then to an act, right, but it
was it was totally over. He was getting ready as
far as like the crow and the concept of the
crow and why he was brought back.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right, Yeah, he was getting ready to climb back in
his grave.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah. Uh, the top Dollar would still be the main
boss if he tried. Yeah, well, I don't even see
part of that is if you want to dig into
the story at the plotline, like why did he even
care about these four dudes? They seemed to be below
like he treat him like pieces of ship.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
They were just street urchins.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He had a whole Yeah, he he had money. He
had the biggest pile of cocaine. Oh my god, Like
Scarface would be jealous of the amount of cocaine this
guy had. I did laugh with that scene a lot.
And he was just so worried about like he he
wanted to n act revenge for yeah, for the fact
that he killed four guys.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That that was even before he killed one of them
at that point. Maybe Tinton was the only dead one
at that point, and he was still like, we need
to find him and kill him. And like Tintin seemed
like an asshole. I don't think you think that.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
That the boss would be like who took care? I don't.
I don't have to lay those guys off now, Yeah,
thank god because they all sucked.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
If they had their chance, fire right up, that was great.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But yeah, yeah, that was the They weren't even good friends.
There's a bar scene where they all put a gun
to each other's head. I forgot again. I know we're
setting up like these people are just abysmal, the worst
pieces of crap, and it's okay, right, well, yeah, because
you want you want the crow do it and do
(16:20):
it in the like and be creative because he was.
He he duct taped that one guy to his bird
car into his car. Goo. I love it. Even when
t Bird was freaking out, I didn't show you're, well,
you're dead, you can't come you can't come back when
you're and I just saw it the way he was
then he I think he started like doing like almost
like praying to God because he's like, holy ship, you
(16:42):
are the guy we killed. You have you did come
back from the dead. Yeah, but ductame the car and
let it ramp and explode with a guy liked turn
the ship on fire, burn ship.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So I didn't Uh, I didn't double check it was
a thunderbird right to that car with a big blown
I don't know, that's what it would make sense. If
it wasn't, I think i'd why do you make the.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
One guy the bad guy? Tintin like knives?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I don't know. I don't know was Tintin wasn't Tinted
a dog or something.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's if rent Tintin is walking around using knives, and
we all should be worried when dogs and cats are able,
you start using weapons.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They've risen up, my friends, it's time.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
To I did like the scene where basically, when the
Crow goes back, he has to go through the whole
trauma of reliving it. Yeah. Uh, puts on the mind
makeup and goes to work. The crow kind of shows
and where Tintin's hanging, Yeah, and he kind of does
like a gainer off the building.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I enjoyed this hands in the yeah uh. But I
reallyized that when he, you know, with the whole Tintin
with the knives, I was like, all right, because that's
when you realize, oh, the crow, you know, his power, yeah,
wounds heel, I mean, because he's essentially dead. Yeah, yeah,
how can he kill a dead guy?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I mean, this scene with Tinton was great, like this,
the fight scene part of it, and everything was great.
I mean, and just about every one of those guys
he was injured and just showed themmself healing, which is
always fun because every one of them is that that
holy shit moment. But not in one of those scenes
is someone go I need a different plan of attack
because obviously knives aren't good. Tintin still don't care, still
(18:30):
kept throwing knives at him. Everybody's wed guns. It's kept
trying to shoot him. Yeah, no one, No one's smart
enough to go, oh wait, I don't know what they
I don't know what the would you do? Yeah, I
guess just keep firing the gun because that's all I
got I got, don't.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Ye, Maybe knock him down enough to cut his head off,
go highlander. Yeah, we don't know if that would have worked. Right. Well,
they do in the movie, like somehow figure out that
the crow is a source of power, and the bad
guy even says, let me tell you a story. Squawk bam,
you fucking dead. Yeah all right, so this is some
(19:05):
of the dialogue we have. But in retrospect, it's kind
of funny. And the so the movie had like he
was riding the line of trying to be a little
Quippi Yeah, a little funny with the dark tone.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I'm like, okay, what did I did read at
one point like the entire person, like I forget what
they called him Skullhead or something like that. You read
that like where this other character just got completely cut out. Yeah,
and that was like that was one of the things,
like the he was supposed to say was when you
fight for revenge, you're immortal. When you fight for humans,
you can get killed, you can get hurt.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, So skullhad was supposed to show up and talk,
you know, talk about, hey, you you got the four
guys's you gotta go back. And I think Skullhead was
a former Crow that didn't follow, like he stayed to
do something else and now he's kind of trapped between oh,
the spirit world and the land of the Living. And
(19:59):
I guess he was supposed to kind of be a
voice of reason of the Crow, right, But with U
and they they had an actor. They filmed it, but
with Brendley's death, they kind of retold a little bit
of the Yeah, of the editing that didn't make it,
but he would be the one trying to talk him
out of fighting Top Dollar, right, so, hey, no, you
did you did what you did it? You know, And
(20:21):
then within the editing, that's how they you know, they
kidnapped with Sarah and I think threatening like killer, which
again kind of like, oh, if you're going to kill her,
means I can take revenge on you. Trying to figure
a way that just still works. I would love this scene. Skullhead.
I don't know what he would look like. Another another
(20:44):
crow that failed to follow the rules, and now he's
trapped between Lancy's helping another crow, like hey, hey, hey dude,
you don't want to you do not want to be me?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, don't be here. I've been here for thirty seven
hundred years. Yeah, don't do this.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
But you know, without that knowledge, like when I first
saw the movie, I didn't know. Yeah, and I thought
I still thought it worked great. No, No, like he's
still he's still an avenging angel essentially, you know top Dollar.
Top Dollar needs to go of course.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, that was that was
the only thing was like it just didn't know what
they were all about. I mean, you knew they were bad.
They were cutting people's eyes out and frying them more
for some reason, because the eyes are the she wouldn't
inhaling them too, right. Oh yeah, they're sniffing the smoke cooked.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, I don't know. Like again, the world that was
created was just a very dark dark It was like, well,
it was right out of comic book. But I think
Gotham is the closest I could think of that most
people be familiar with because Gotham you got the Joker,
you got, you got bad guys, are all fucked up
(21:50):
and they do some nefarious ship. So I think in
that aspect, like we got a comic book, if it
was Batman, I don't think my friend would been like
so pissed off. Yeah, he would already would have understood
why all the bad guys were so.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He'd already been in that world.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Oh yeah, because you think about like all the Henchmen
and Batman movies are just dumb as ship like they're
they're meant, they're they're there to get killed. That's what
they're there for.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, and the Joker in kind books has done some
awful fucking ship.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But if Batman was more like to Crow. He wouldn't
have because he would have just killed him. Batman's uh
need to not kill right, let's joker. Joker broke uh
backer ol Barbara Gordon's back. Yeah, uh both, he needn't
break the bag. He shot shot her, yeah, and then
(22:41):
she was paralyzed became oracle. Yeah. Batman would have just
been more like to crime, like it's gonna kill you
more people. One of the robins was beaten to death
by Yeah, Batman's whole Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I think he's just a pussy like this bat guy.
Never get it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
We're not talking about Batman, but I do think that
Batman movies were influenced by this. Could be you know,
the directors were influenced a little bit by this for sure.
One hundred. I mean you could see it all over
it well, all over Nolan's Batman. Yeah, I could see it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Oh no, yeah, like the a lot of the shooting,
all of the like the way they made like the
alleys and everything look very dark, like yeah, it was.
It was really good. I mean I love the way
of Sean, especially on a budget like that, like there,
they weren't working with a Hollywood budget. They were shoe
string and a you know, okay budget I guessed together,
but nothing. Nothing they could splurge on a lot of ship.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, a lot of the building where the crows flying.
They're like miniatures. Yeah, so bad, it's so amazing, Like
now it would be c g I. Yeah, but when
you when you watch, when you watch the movie, these
are miniatures, Like it's fucking it's amazing. There was some
like back in the day, some talent ass people.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Right whenever. That's that was the one I saw.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Not the c g irs aren't talented. But come on,
you can't imagine building a set with miniatures, Like how
big that would be? How much time consuming?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Like the car chase, the whole car chase scene when
I when I read that that the whole car chase
scene was done, like they didn't have money for that,
so they had to do miniatures. Like I was like,
holy ship, that was a long chase like long scene
when you I never knew, Yeah, I in here.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It was great. They fucking knocked out of the park.
Hell yeah, cheers to the miniature makers.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But yeah, then like the first his Tinton then fun Boy,
who I was looking for more of a slow death
for him, Like oh yeah, I wanted I wanted more
brutal death for fun Boy, honestly, just because he was, like,
you know, he was a big piece of shit, Like
they are all pieces of shit, but he like he
was the one. I was like he should die slower
(24:53):
because you know, he was like he looked like the
one who took way too much satisfaction and raping Shelley,
had the ship like you know, had the drugged ub
mom that like got fixed because of the crow or ever.
But just everything about him just seemed extra slimy. Yeah,
like the other guys were assholes when they and they
would murder and not care, but he just seemed like
(25:14):
he was the guy that probably enjoyed it the most,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So yeah, his death was it was good though, all right,
because they were what shooting up Heroin High and then
when wasn't she like in the middle of what they
were making. I was like, there's a big fucking bird
out there. Yeah, but but it's of course is the crow, right,
Fu's up fun Boy. He does leave him full of
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all his Heroin needles.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Oh yeah, in the shape of the crow on his chest.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, really, leaving that that mark again like Batman, right, Yeah,
even though Batman did come before this movie.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
But well, how many Batman's have there been? I mean
when one was.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Uh, but now you look at the one Batman with
Ben Affleck. He had that thing where he was burning
the sign of the Batman into people's faces. Nice, so
again leaving his mark influenced by this calling card. But
then the Crow some also has the power I guess,
to grab your arm and squeeze the heroin out of it.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Oh yeah, Like it was crazy, like the weird stuff
that they would just drop on you throughout this movie, Like, yeah,
he just took them, took them. I mean, he knew
it was Sarah's mom, so it was obviously like I
hate you because you've treated your daughter like shit. We
were watching her up to a year ago because you're
a piece of shit and a drug you know, heroin
addict and everything else. They had just grabbed her arm
and I had it squirting out of her like that
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was that was a cool scene.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It was cool. And then but you know instantly she's
all good, Oh yeah, well, making dippy eggs, well, I
like that was one of the things.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Like I don't know, is that like one of those
other powers of his like just getting getting them looking
in my.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Eyes, you know, like well, because he had other powers
to like absorb memory and then use that memory back
on somebody, like the tragic uh yeah, the horrific incident
with him and Shelley, the cop uh. Ernie Hudtson stayed
with Shelley till she died at the hospital. And then
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he gave that memory to brand Lee, to Eric Draven,
but he held onto it. It kind of took it
from Ernie. I guess it kind of relieved Ernie of
that pain, that painful memory, which he then used on
the bad guy damn the movie and gave him all
that pain, which was nice.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I enjoyed this this switch like that, like from being
like guns, swords, everything, and then like oh, I'm sitting here,
no weapon, no anything, but I've got this, you know,
this power to give you this pain all at once.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, the sword fighting was fun. On top of us
a very gothic church, gothic church in the rain, and
he pulls like I don't know, a metal thing out
the top.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Of the almost like a weather vane or something.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And then you said, like again, I'm like hell, yeah,
this movie's awesome. Should we take a break and come
back with more awesome. Yeah, all right, we'll be back
squawk with more trow It can't rain all the time?
(28:26):
Like one of the lines in the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh, I'm like, I'm you know that song was on
the soundtrack, right, yeah? Say you had to have the soundtrack,
was I was? I say that was? That was whenever
I started watching it. That was one of my favorite
things about this movie back in the day was the soundtrack.
I didn't buy a lot of soundtrack CDs back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Did you buy this one?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I definitely had the Crow sounds for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I was just thinking today I should get it on vinyl.
They have to have it on vinyl, right.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean it was ninety four.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, you had like stone Tip of Pilots, nineties Nails,
the Cure. It was a really good soundtrack. But I
think wasn't that one of the songs on like that that.
I don't know if it was Hangman's joke as the
as Eric Draven's band was, but I think they had
they Can't Rain all the Time on the on the soundtrack,
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like it was like the last song on the soundtrack.
It might have been.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I felt like there was one one song that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Because it was in the movie. Yeah, because that's how
Shelley would He saves Sarah almost gets hit by a car,
he saves her. Yeah, She's like that butt face would
have stopped, but I forget what said. He just kind
of turns away. He's like, well, can't rain all the time. Yeah,
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And then when she's playing a record it starts skipping
on that she realizes like, oh.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Shit, yeah that was Eric, that's my boy.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah. Yeah, the Cure Stone, Tip of Pilots, Rage against
the Machine. It was this band, like it was pretty badass.
It was that.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It was that Nine Inch Nails song that was really
the stand out in that soundtrack for me, like that
they kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
They used it when he was run across the rooftop, right,
I was gonna say it was like get that first scene,
that first kind of like lead up to that first
action scene was that the crow flying him running in
april planning that that Nine inch Nails in the background
was That's the one I always loved. That's the one
that when I hear it, the only thing I can
think of is the crowd.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, unmistakable, Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That one. Yeah, shit, I might have to get this soundtrack.
Uh again, like the whole the rooftop scenes. Yeah, it
was so dark, so moody, so freaking cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I almost wish he would have had slightly more superpowers,
like just that's just the thing was like I almost
wanted him to like make ridiculous jumps from building building
they look they kind of inferred it, but they didn't
really show it. And that was kind of like it'd
be cool if he had kind of had like a
little bit of not fly fly, but like you know,
like he's crow like right, like huge jumps and be.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Able to glide a little bit or something. Had ever
rad Yeah, he plays some guitar on the rooftop this
the guitar song.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
The guitar scenes were kind of fun, like he's just
on top of that his you know, old apartment, just
blaring fucking electric guitar.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Oh you know you're think it'd be people like, oh, man.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Shot the fucker in my head I was waiting for,
you know, like cause it would be like jeez, Like,
I mean, we all have neighbors that make noise sometimes,
and I'm just like if that was me because it
wasn't early. It was in the middle of the fucking
night and he's on there just jamming on his guitar.
I can't believe they didn't have a shot the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'll come up aeron roof and kick your ask.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Do you know what time it is?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That actually been a funny scene.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, it was Batman.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Now. I never I don't know if you looked anything
up like why the mind make gut was chosen?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I may have read it, but I forget as Uh
that's that's I mean. That look also just became iconic,
Like I like obviously, I like like to watch my
professional wrestling once in a while, and that made this
tale was telling uh someone today, I was like it really, Uh,
there was another It wasn't Sting that came up with that.
(32:23):
It was another wrestler who passed away, Scott Hall, but
he was the one that told like Sting was kind
of going through at that time in professional wrestling. He
was always a good guy, but it was kind of
that anti hero movement and he would because he always
had very colorful face paint and he was trying to
like switch it up and do this and do that.
And Scott Hall looks at me and goes, hey, man,
you should do like that face paint like the Crow.
(32:43):
And it was like mid nineties and he did, And
I said, I felt like associating with that movie because
then he had he came out, he had the long
black hair, trench coat, face painted up similar to the Crow,
like the Crow. And I just feel like he catapulted
to just another level of stardom because he was associated
with a fucking badass movie and he was already, you know,
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a big superstar and his character was just amazing after that.
You know, he'd come down on it, come, he'd be,
he'd be, you know, coming down out of the rafters
with a baseball bat. They're dressed in all black, like
just looking like a badass.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So yeah, like that whole character development transferred over to
him for that whole situation and he I mean, that
was the look he kept from mid nineties to like
last this year. He just retired this year. It's sixty
couple years old, which is insane for someone that beats
around their bodies so much on professional wrestling like that.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Speaking the Mime Mega, there there is a scene where
he's talking Ernie Hudson and he kind of and and
Ernie Hudson goes like, well, at least he didn't do
that walking against the wind shit. I and I never
I don't think I got right away. But then it
dawned on me like, oh, because mine's do that where
they're yeah, you know, I didn't get it away. Yeah,
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for some reason. But then you know, you know, thinking
about going through stuff watches the cliffs, were like, oh shit, yeah,
mind's only they do that where they're trying to walk
against the wind.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah. I did see something where he said it was
just inspired by like an old like theater mask.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Okay, I don't know, but tragedy.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, he said he wanted to see he thought would
be good to be all like on a just very despondent,
like sad person with a forced smile painted on her
face type thing. But I don't know, like I really
enjoyed it. How they didn't keep repainting his face, like
they kept making it distressed throughout the movie. By the
end of the movie, it was almost half it was
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literally half worn off. So I kind of liked that
aspect of like, no, it wasn't I want to keep
painting myself up and we don't. Like no, it was
like I painted at once and I'm want to kill
these people when that's just what I was till at the.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
End, even the final battle with all the rain and
he's getting there was kind of almost washed off, like yeah,
you know he's Eric Drave and you can you can
go to rest man now. Brendnelee painted his own face.
He didn't like the original makeup they did. He's wanted
to do it himself, and then he would go to
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bed with it on, so when he wake up to shoot,
it had more of.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
A yeah, you know, Warren, Look, it wasn't crisp.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, and I think it worked. And then I thought
I read that then the the makeup artist whatever, like, Okay,
they made a mask so at least they could keep
getting the line, you know, wear lying around the eye,
so they could keep getting that right every time, because yeah,
you want continuity, otherwise you have to show him doing
it different every every day. And I and I they
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apparently also had a mold. They made a mold or
had a mold of his face, and they made a
mask for it for when they had to do fill
in for after he got but people on said when
the stunt guy came in with it on people and
said were like, hell no, and they burned the mask.
Yeah fuck nope. Yeah, so these did a lot of
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stuff where they can keep the person in shadows or CGI.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, the face. But I mean, I will say I didn't.
I mean, we all knew what happened at this point.
You're watching, you're watching. It's thirty years old, but really
you don't unless you're super looking for Like I knew
it happened. I wasn't really looking for you didn't. I
couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I couldn't tell.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, they did a really good job of covering it up.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, I mean even for like nineteen ninety four with
the way the CGI right, really wasn't that great yet?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Right the crow, the crow flying through a couple of
times they see GI it is like that crow. You
can definitely tell it looks like the key Master from Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, exactly. But they did a great job. It worked.
Like even while I was watching it and I bought
The Blue Red a couple of weeks ago, and because
my kid never saw it, wow, her house.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He never saw that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yep, surprising, And even watching The Blue Rom'm like, you
can't really tell. Yeah, I saw a clip, but there's
a scene when he's in the back of the car.
I don't know. It was must be with t Bird
or there's one. If you've paused this frame, you can
see this actually the stunt guy. Yeah, who went on
(37:17):
to direct John Wick.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Huh how about that?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But if you're just watching.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It normally, yeah, just enjoying the.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Show, you don't even know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, just
enjoying the show. Who really goes frame by frame trying
to pick out shit?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
There's people out there. They they hate their life. They
were just looking for something to yell about.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, the crowd. What else can we say? Yeah? Yeah,
I absolutely love the movie.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
He came in the nineteen ninety four when I watched
it stuck with me. I always loved it. Probably was
like a ship ton of Halloween costumes for people, right,
uh every year since then, I'm sure some somebody's dressing
up like the Crow this year for Halloween. It just
it made a mark uheh in cinema history, and like
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with people, it just you know it. And I don't
think initially it was because Brandon Lee died making the movie.
I think I think it's the movie it somehow resonates
with people. And then some of it because he died
probably brought more attention to it, right, But well, I
don't know. They just captured like this was it was
the right time to make that kind of movie, and
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people just love it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
What was crazy was, like we talked about on different podcasts,
was all the ship that went crazy in that movie?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh yeah, the thing had was like almost cursed right
like it was? It was?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, it was, wasn't the one with the electrician gut
live power line hit live power lines like in a
scissor lift or something, and electric himself apparently one put
a screwdriver through his hand.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I just read about too, like, oh my god. All
the stuff just happened. But even even with the gun,
like didn't they send the gun gun master, uh, prop master,
whoever's in charge of that, They send him home early,
so they had another guy he did didn't know what
(39:18):
you needed to do with the weapon.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Right, I So it still had like I heard like
this last time I was trying to read about it,
I found that like they were just there. They were
blaming it on in this article about just the mouth
because it was a low budget and they had time crunching,
so they were doing too much, too quick, and they
they shot the scene with the like I forget the
dummy bullets whatever that had. Yeah, and but when they
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switched out to do the actual shot, the whatever, like
the blank, the lead from the from the dummy bullet
stayed in when they put the blank in, So the
blank had the charge but not the you know, the lead,
but I don't know. Yeah, that's who knows.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Because the blanks has it's still Yeah, the blanks just
be able to has four. So something lodge in the barrel. Yeah,
still came out from the from the other bullets. They
were cutting corners. So they sent the guy who should
have been there, uh checking the weapons. Yeah, probably costs more.
They sent him home and had just some Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Some guy they I'm sure he went, oh yeah, they're
all good, but.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
They're all blanks. Not knowing he didn't check the barrel
and to make sure the barrel was clear.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
And they switched everything out doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, my gosh. And then the and the actor who
fired a gun. Oh it caused him nightmares. Yeah for
most of his life. Oh yeah, like, hey, how do
you get how do you get around that? Like you
I mean no, maybe it wasn't your fault, but still
you still pulled the trigger. Like ship then I killed this.
I assume you see it forever every time you close
(40:50):
your eyes. Yeah, like it now. James a bar he did,
you know, you know, he did take the money he
made from the movie. He used a little bit here
and they donated a huge sum. Yeah, because he just
he felt guilty and he didn't want him profit off
of the movie because of Brandley's death. Right, So I
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mean that's pretty stand up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Did you see he was actually in the movie as
like a background an extra. Yeah, do you see that?
He was like when the whenever he goes to the
pond store looking for the ring and he blows it
up on all Like Ernie Hudson sees Eric Draven outside
and stops him like, hey, you know you're walking away
from the you know, the explosion, starts questioning him, and
then he looks over his shoulder and he's like torn
(41:34):
because he's like, all right, I got the guy that
maybe blew it up, But all of a sudden, there's
also people out here looting the store. He was the
tall guy with the long hair glick carrying the TV
out of the pawn shop.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Okay, that's awesome, that's cool. Yeah, no, I uh, now
for me, like you start off the episode of talking
about how you've you had an opinion how it reached
called status, almost giving me an opinion that it's not
as good as the cult status makes it seem.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
No, it's it's that's not like it's it's hard to
explain what what what I mean by this. It's but
like if we go ratings, like I'll probably give it
like a nine. I love the movie, but I feel
like there's certain people that probably make it a little
too much more their identity than it should be. Okay,
it's a great movie, but I think they just elevate
it to a point where, like everything can become overrated
at some point, and I think that's a lot. It's
(42:25):
like certain people do with it, like I do. I
love the movie. It was great. I loved every second
of it. I really enjoyed rewatching it and everything else.
But I think some people like it too much. Yeah yeah,
because you.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Know what, I'm good. I've given it a nine out
of ten. Right, Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
But I think it's one of those things like if
you would gain but.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
As so, it's It resonates with me because I saw
it when it came out. Huge fan of Bruce Lee,
a huge fan of Brandonly. You know, wanted Brandonly to
like continue to fother his foot his father's footsteps, yeah,
and keep making in martial arts movies. One thing in
the movie that was especially when I because I went
with my h Marsh Arts instructor John. I was hoping
(43:08):
to see, like some of the fight scenes incorporate some
GQ do but it really didn't. But I understand that
movie wasn't about showcase martial arts. But I walked into
it thinking, oh, we're gonna get some brand Lee, We're
gonna get some badass martial arts fight scene.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You only got that and showed down a little Tokyo
rapid fire. Brandon Lee say, I'm not familiar with this catalog.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Oh oh, I came out in the nineties. I think
we're gonna I'm gonna make you watch it, all right. Yeah, no,
this movie, this movie is great. There's nothing to hate on. Uh,
former friend, if you're listening, there's nothing to hate on.
I don't know why you hated it so much. Pompous
(43:55):
ass and my favorite scene, I think, uh, it was
like probably Tintin because it starts off with that that
song yeah, where he's runn across the rooftops and then
just does a backflip in the garbage laughing. Again, if
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you were like Tintin, you could be like, well that's yeah,
be a little unnerving. But then even he's like, my.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Knives never miss and he's the first one misses.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And then we go. But again, it was a moment
where Brindlee was, uh, I know you got we got
a really good first look at the crow and yeah,
yeah that was That was probably one of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I would say that one, but I'm interested of doing
something different. I'll say, uh, I liked. I also like
the the the T Bird sequence, like the fact that, like,
I mean, there was there's multiple guys in the movie
that did did the hole like beg for your Like
the pawn shop guy and T Bird were like just
hard asses up for first then went from begging that
went from that to begging for their life. But I mean,
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now the paunch op guy came full circle before he
blew it up, like begging for his life or being
an asshole, then begging for his life, then being an
asshole quickly at the end. So but t Bird went
from like just that you know, I'm a you know,
like the guy, like your typical gangster. I'm a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
You can't do me.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Fuck you what do you think you're doing? Like well,
I don't know, you can't come back to life to
like just the like praying to God to like for
any any you know, like for this guy to let
him go as he's duct taping him to the seat.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I T Bird was also in the movie Warriors.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Seen that was his hair just as bad in that
movie as it wasn't this one that was longer.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's actually bad, like it just got me.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
He looked like one of those guys who was like
bald halfway up and then like grew it forward to
coming down because.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Or or I thought maybe he that was the height
of that haircut device called the flow beak ast you
to your sweeper.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
That was like that was one of this goes like
his hair is just so bad, like so bad.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Uh have you ever seen the Warriors? Highly recommend it. Uh,
iconic scene you probably are familiar with because it's been
spoofed in like cartoons. But he has like coke bottles
on his fingers and he's tapping together like warriors come
out to play. Great movie. Yeah the Crow? There you
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Speaker 2 (46:31):
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Speaker 1 (46:41):
You should totally do that.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
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Speaker 2 (46:49):
Some people, some people have to pay extra for that.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
And hit that five star like and subscribe, like and subscribe.
Uh now I do. I do want to, uh make
an argument to not do what we said we were
gonna do the last episode?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
What was that?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Watch the new Crow next and make fun of it.
We're not make fun of it. Do a live viewing.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Okay, you don't want here's my here's my case.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Uh. The movie we just watches, The Crow is so good.
I don't want to watch a shitty, shitty movie.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
I feel like that's the motivation to watch it and
make fun of it.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
But then we also have to pay for it. I'll
pay for it. That's fine, all right. I guess we're
not backing out of it. We're going around.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
We don't have to do it now, we don't have
to do it. No, I already haven't gonna be picked
out for next week.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
So so then you totally forgot what we said. No, no,
I said time.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I just meant, like a bonus episode that we just
watch it and we don't have to what's that? Well,
then fucking maybe we just I mean I was gonna say, no,
maybe we just drink beers and not make an episode,
just fucking drink beers and make fun of it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
No, that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
So I went back to Toby and uh no, actually no,
I like, I remember this movie. I remember liking this movie.
I don't ever watched another one. I watched only once
in like a while back. But it's goott Bruce Willis.
I like Bruce Willis, and it's a remake of an
old Western sett into like the Gangster era, and it's
Last Man Standing with Oh yeah, I liked I liked
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the Old Western with Clint Eastwood, and I liked the
Bruce Willi's remate.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Okay, well you want to do that one, Yes, do
that one. Okay, we don't have to watch the Shitty Crow.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
We want to watch the Shitty Crow at some point.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I know Eric was saying he would love to be
part of the watch along and make and watch the
Shitty Crow. But sorry, Eric, we might get there, but
I just didn't want to. I can't do it back
to back. Can't watch a good crow and didn't watch
the Shitty Crow.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
I like, it's just be called that the shitty crow.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You know what. It probably will start being called the
shitty Crow and then all right, cool, there we go. Yep,
last man standing. It's on tube. We just mentioned it,
so you got seven days? You know.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
We're kind of like the Ring. Let's say, wait, do
you have fourteen days or seven days?
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I feel like every time we mentioned that there's a
movie on tuob to watch, it comes up saying like
seven days, you have seven days to watch it before
it goes away. Yeah. Yeah, this whole cinema would like
to ring.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
For your nineties movies.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
We kill movies on twob. All right, that's it, we're out.
What do we say? Keep lifting those weights, bitches,
What's up? Everybody? Me me welcome, Just will send them up.
I'm marking as always. The guy cracking the beer over
there is Ryan. Ryan. Wait, why are we singing? I
don't know how you started lea the way. Hey, everybody,
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welcome to another episode of your favorite show, and this
one we're gonna talk about probably one of the most
awesome epic action movies, sci fi movies, What He Is,
comic book movies from nineteen ninety four, The Crow.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I feel like this movie has over the years has
almost probably like got us got like cult status, but
like more of a status. It's probably I don't want
to say overrated, but like it's bigger than it probably
should be. Like it's built up so well because it
was a really good movie. I really liked it, but
I feel like certain people hold it and it's just
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the most ridiculous esteem, you know, Like again, I like
it the movie Like I'm not.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Trying to try. You're starting to pretty aggressively. It sounds
like starting to pick a fight.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
No, I really like it, but I mean, I just
think some people just love this movie so much that.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
I know I'd really like if you tilted that Mike
more towards your mouth high professional podcaster my ass never
claimed that, but no, like, let's just let's just go
and we'll just talk about it while we go through it.
How about that? Well I could disagree with most of
that out of the game, but I agree, like, yeah,
definitely hit cult status for sure. Yeah, Brandon Lee, rest
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in peace. Ernie Hudson. I'm going to lester.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Completely forgot about Ernie.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Right, And then cast of characters that are well straight
out of a comic book because the movie is based
on a comic book, The Crow by James Obarr. I
don't know if you know, I mean the whole He
wrote it to deal with the loss of his fiance. Yeah,
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I just read down. I was like, oh, well that's
that's pretty crazy because she was killed by a drunk driver. Yeah.
Now I watched something Just don't quote me, but I
watched a video where they're talking about like it was
one of the situations where you know, he needed something
and she's like, oh, I'll go get it. That happened.
So he really blamed himself with there's so much guilt,
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but this was, you know, writing The Crow was a catharity.
Was was way for him to deal with all that.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, all that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
That was.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
That was like his what he said, his third his
third try it, trying to dealing with it. I forget
what one was, but like two was like taking every
drug pill, alcohol, like just drowning yourself on that. And
he realized that's both of those. That's that's not gonna
help me deal with it. That's gonna do one thing
and it's not deal with it.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
But yeah, write in the comic book. I guess it worked. Yeah,
or is at least a way to deal with it.
I don't know if you can ever right, Yeah, you
can't get over it, but maybe your way to come.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
To come to terms. Yeah, come to peace, Come to peace.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I don't know. But there's a lot of people that
left in pieces in this movie trying to bring it
around who were just getting a little depressing the angry,
especially like I even read too that you know then
when Brandon uh you know was killed on set and
then having it had even more guilt, Oh God, because
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of it now. Actually, uh, Brandon Lee wasn't even one
of the first choices I think I read. I think
I read that Christian Slater what it was being kicked
around a little bit. Stonio seemed to be just stupid.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I didn't get any names, but I saw like, yeah,
they didn't necessarily think Brandon Lee at first, but they
were trying to do like athlete guy, like kind of
athletic guys and then straight actors, and but they're like
neither one of them combined what Brandon Lee did. He
was athletic because of his martial arts background, but also
you know, solid actor, like that's why, that's why it
was immediately like, no, this is definitely the guy.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
And this When it came out, I went to see
it probably like first week it was out with my
went with my martial arts instructor, and we loved it.
Now he was really into comic books. He was more
familiar with the kind of book. I never read it,
but we loved it. We came out of there it
was talking how great it was. We had so much fun,
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and I was telling my friend about it. He's like, oh, awesome,
I want I want to see this, Like shit, I'll
go again tomorrow. So we went saw it and left
and on the way out, he was like, I need
you to tell me why you like that movie. As we're
talking about I need you to tell me why you're not
an idiot. I needn't tell me why why you think
that movie is great? That movie was terrible. He just
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we like in this huge argument. He's like, that movie
was terrible. It was like a comic book. I'm like, yeah, yes,
it's based on the comic book. But he was relentless.
He wouldn't let up the entire drive home. He was
just hammering me and like I need, I need you
to tell me why you like it, which led me
to only My only response was like, how about go
fuck yourself. We're not friends anymore.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Ever since that day or was it something else, That
day definitely started a trend. Like I get like, okay,
it wasn't for me, but to just like rate someone
the whole time for liking a movie for a car
ride like that seems a bit excessive.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah. Yeah, if you're listening a bit of an asshole,
name names, come on. So I you know I always
love this movie, but it does you know you could
see this movie? H Well, if you watch movies, you'll
see bits of the Crow where he lights up, you know,
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the Crow, fire Batman, what the dark Knight rises when
he lit up the symbol of the bat Dared Devil
with Ben Affleck always did they do something.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
To he what's this the one guy like lit up
just in gas and the guys front yard I'm legend
Glenn Howard or Dennis Dennis's lit up in this guy's
yarden gas.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, is that gasoline I smell? So I feel like
this movie it it resonated. Yeah, and people were you know,
like even the matrix has a little bit of that vibe,
you know, the dark tones. The outfits.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, yeah, the outfit choices were was that was one
of the first things where rewatching it. I really, uh,
I was curious about the outfit choices at the beginning
because we you know, it's it's kind of it's it's
not one of those movies that works backwards, but you're
you know, you're kind of put into the scene and
then they you know, do some flashbacks to tell you like, oh,
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this is why you're invested in this ship, like because
this guy and this girl and all that. But so
Brandon Lee like comes back one year one year later,
Brandon Lee break just comes out of the grave and
he's looked like he was wearing the same clothes he
was murdered in like it looked like they had cuts
and blood on them. I knew the shirt itself was
cut yeah in the back, Yeah, because they do that
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at funeral homes. I guess, easier address the dead.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
All right, my bad then to like, you know, lift
a dead body up, and so they cut the.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Shirt so they can kind of just maybe that was
what I was like, it just looked like.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I imagine a year in the ground, the shirt might deterior. Yeah,
he had to work hard, he just like materialize come
back as like a spirit. He had to dig his way.
The crow pecked on the gravestone. He had like dig
his way up.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
I just thought out there, I just thought it was
a supernatural thing that at the top of the coffin
just came pushed itself up, because that's like I mean,
I don't know, like I didn't well, he.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Definitely was enhanced right by whatever power the crow game.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Okay, Yeah, But then then you meet Sarah, the like
twelve thirteen year old little young girl who they have
in the first like half the movie in like ripped
fishnet stockings.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Right. That was a nineties grange baby, I guess. And
the town was definitely. Like that reminds me of how
Gotham is in The Batman, Like it's just the town
is just over the top. It gave you big city
grimy like, yeah, apparently it was dark and rainy and
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everybody and it's bad and the cops.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, apparently it was filmed in Detroit, so it plays well.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I guess the whole thing with Detroit because it was
like Devil's Night. They were talking about the fires. Apparently
that was the thing. Yeah, that happened back in the eighties.
Maybe I guess we're setting fires on the Halloween eve
Devil's Night.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
And some people were into that shit weird I got I.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Read somewhere like after the Crow, though, I kind of
eased off. I'm not saying that the movie helped the
people that wanted to set fires be.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Like, oh yeah, that seems weird, like under.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Brand Lee will stop setting fires. I don't think that's
how it happened. Maybe it's just maybe they I'm assuming
maybe the cops cracked down right on these arsons say.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
That that seems like the opposite where people have just been,
you know, the wacky wos out there being like, you know,
life imitates life. Or life imitates or whatever you like.
You go out and that thing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Did it on the screen. Let's go see some fires. Well,
art imitates life, but he part of I think I
read James Obar also took that a murder America or
newly went or the night before their wedding were murdered,
someone stole their wedding, their wedding rings or something. Oh yeah,
so you know because Eric and Shelley in the movie
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were murdered, uh the night before their wedding. Yeah, by
a serious cast of fucking characters. That's some of the
most straight up comic book names.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Well we got Tin Tin t fun Boy.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
T Bird, T Bird mostly my former friend. We'd be like,
what the fuck right it was? I mean, it was
really like that was that was the one those things too.
It was really weird to like, I get it those
guys were working for someone else, but the whole purpose
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and situation of that, like the bad organization I guess whatever,
was never really defined on what they need, how they like,
why they were doing things, like they supposedly were just
like a mob of some sort, right, Like the one
point like they Eric mob, the big boss is his
name was top Dollar. Well, that guy reminded me like
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he was trying to do his best imitation of McLeod
from Highlander, like the like what's his name? Yeah, he
was like he like he sounded like he had the long,
beautiful long hair. He sounded like he was talking to
words and so it's talking kind of slower like. He's
reminded me of that a lot too much really, but
for being for being an undeveloped character, you know, like whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
But he has his name Michael Wincott, Yeah, top Dollar.
It was.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, it was just weird that that wasn't really explained anything.
Like at one point they're talking about like Devil's Night
and they're like, yeah, let's go set some fires make money.
I'm like, how are you making money just by setting fires?
Speaker 1 (11:53):
I don't know, like fire it up.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, Eric, Eric and Shelley are murdered because they're trying
to like they were fighting in aviction notice from someone.
But at the same time, if usually when like a
big company or a mob or something I got trying
to evict someone there, it's because they wanted to develop
building and make something. Eric Draven climbs out of the
grave a year later and it's the crime scene is
still intact. Nothing has changed like there, their place was untouched.
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Like yeah, I feel like the bad gys were just bad, right,
there were just pieces of shit to be pieces of
shit there.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
It wasn't like all right, so there wasn't no like
character development. Yeah, but I get it, like it's a
we have a I guess you'd even call it an
anti hero. You're you're you're rooting for the guy murdering
other people because we know.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Well, right, those guys totally deserve well they murdered first.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
So but I don't know if I needed I didn't
need character development on the four people he needed to kill.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
It didn't stop the enjoyment. It was just like, well,
there's just one of those things where like it was.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
One like it would maybe you're right, maybe like kind
of understanding it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
It made the last like fifteen to twenty minutes seemed
like it didn't need to be there, like like whenever
whenever top Dollar, his like sister apparently his stepsister Asian
stepsister and right and uh and his his bodyguard whatever
that other like his top lieutenant or whatever. It was
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like like it could have been a he like he
gave you, like that big scene where they're shooting the
shit out of Brandon.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Oh yeah, his main lieutenant was the candyman. I'm your kid,
not that candy man from the horror movie.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, but yeah, so like that scene, he basically points
at Skank and is like, I'm only here for him. Yeah,
but they decide to unload weapons and do everything to
try to kill him, and so then he gets the
skank kills him.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
It could have been over. No, it wasn't. Was brought
it brought him back for revenge. That was it. Those
four guys, right, those four guys, And even that there's
a scene where he's down like it's Halloween. Uh, and
he can kind of fit in because the way he looks,
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but he's kind of just laughing. Kids run by again,
who's letting their kids do.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
In that neighborhood?
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah, but he he kind of laughs a little bit.
It's over, Like he he was brought back to kill
these four people. But the bad guy does what bad
guys do. Fuck up, right, Steve Stealing Shelley, kidnapping, Stealing,
kidnapping Sarah Sarah Sarah Shelley was like his wife said,
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they killed the beginning Yeah, it kind of like he
had more revenge then to an act, right, but it
was it was totally over. He was getting ready as
far as like the crow and the concept of the
crow and why he was brought back.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right, Yeah, he was getting ready to climb back in
his grave.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah. Uh, the top Dollar would still be the main
boss if he tried. Yeah, well, I don't even see
part of that is if you want to dig into
the story at the plotline, like why did he even
care about these four dudes? They seemed to be below
like he treat him like pieces of ship.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
They were just street urchins.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
He had a whole Yeah, he he had money. He
had the biggest pile of cocaine. Oh my god, Like
Scarface would be jealous of the amount of cocaine this
guy had. I did laugh with that scene a lot.
And he was just so worried about like he he
wanted to n act revenge for yeah, for the fact
that he killed four guys.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
That that was even before he killed one of them
at that point. Maybe Tinton was the only dead one
at that point, and he was still like, we need
to find him and kill him. And like Tintin seemed
like an asshole. I don't think you think that.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
That the boss would be like who took care? I don't.
I don't have to lay those guys off now, Yeah,
thank god because they all sucked.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
If they had their chance, fire right up, that was great.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
But yeah, yeah, that was the They weren't even good friends.
There's a bar scene where they all put a gun
to each other's head. I forgot again. I know we're
setting up like these people are just abysmal, the worst
pieces of crap, and it's okay, right, well, yeah, because
you want you want the crow do it and do
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it in the like and be creative because he was.
He he duct taped that one guy to his bird
car into his car. Goo. I love it. Even when
t Bird was freaking out, I didn't show you're, well,
you're dead, you can't come you can't come back when
you're and I just saw it the way he was
then he I think he started like doing like almost
like praying to God because he's like, holy ship, you
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are the guy we killed. You have you did come
back from the dead. Yeah, but ductame the car and
let it ramp and explode with a guy liked turn
the ship on fire, burn ship.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
So I didn't Uh, I didn't double check it was
a thunderbird right to that car with a big blown
I don't know, that's what it would make sense. If
it wasn't, I think i'd why do you make the.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
One guy the bad guy? Tintin like knives?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
I don't know. I don't know was Tintin wasn't Tinted
a dog or something.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
That's if rent Tintin is walking around using knives, and
we all should be worried when dogs and cats are able,
you start using weapons.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
They've risen up, my friends, it's time.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
To I did like the scene where basically, when the
Crow goes back, he has to go through the whole
trauma of reliving it. Yeah. Uh, puts on the mind
makeup and goes to work. The crow kind of shows
and where Tintin's hanging, Yeah, and he kind of does
like a gainer off the building.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
I enjoyed this hands in the yeah uh. But I
reallyized that when he, you know, with the whole Tintin
with the knives, I was like, all right, because that's
when you realize, oh, the crow, you know, his power, yeah,
wounds heel, I mean, because he's essentially dead. Yeah, yeah,
how can he kill a dead guy?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
I mean, this scene with Tinton was great, like this,
the fight scene part of it, and everything was great.
I mean, and just about every one of those guys
he was injured and just showed themmself healing, which is
always fun because every one of them is that that
holy shit moment. But not in one of those scenes
is someone go I need a different plan of attack
because obviously knives aren't good. Tintin still don't care, still
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kept throwing knives at him. Everybody's wed guns. It's kept
trying to shoot him. Yeah, no one, No one's smart
enough to go, oh wait, I don't know what they
I don't know what the would you do? Yeah, I
guess just keep firing the gun because that's all I
got I got, don't.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Ye, Maybe knock him down enough to cut his head off,
go highlander. Yeah, we don't know if that would have worked. Right. Well,
they do in the movie, like somehow figure out that
the crow is a source of power, and the bad
guy even says, let me tell you a story. Squawk bam,
you fucking dead. Yeah all right, so this is some
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of the dialogue we have. But in retrospect, it's kind
of funny. And the so the movie had like he
was riding the line of trying to be a little
Quippi Yeah, a little funny with the dark tone.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
So I'm like, okay, what did I did read at
one point like the entire person, like I forget what
they called him Skullhead or something like that. You read
that like where this other character just got completely cut out. Yeah,
and that was like that was one of the things,
like the he was supposed to say was when you
fight for revenge, you're immortal. When you fight for humans,
you can get killed, you can get hurt.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah, So skullhad was supposed to show up and talk,
you know, talk about, hey, you you got the four
guys's you gotta go back. And I think Skullhead was
a former Crow that didn't follow, like he stayed to
do something else and now he's kind of trapped between oh,
the spirit world and the land of the Living. And
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I guess he was supposed to kind of be a
voice of reason of the Crow, right, But with U
and they they had an actor. They filmed it, but
with Brendley's death, they kind of retold a little bit
of the Yeah, of the editing that didn't make it,
but he would be the one trying to talk him
out of fighting Top Dollar, right, so, hey, no, you
did you did what you did it? You know, And
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then within the editing, that's how they you know, they
kidnapped with Sarah and I think threatening like killer, which
again kind of like, oh, if you're going to kill her,
means I can take revenge on you. Trying to figure
a way that just still works. I would love this scene. Skullhead.
I don't know what he would look like. Another another
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crow that failed to follow the rules, and now he's
trapped between Lancy's helping another crow, like hey, hey, hey dude,
you don't want to you do not want to be me?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, don't be here. I've been here for thirty seven
hundred years. Yeah, don't do this.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
But you know, without that knowledge, like when I first
saw the movie, I didn't know. Yeah, and I thought
I still thought it worked great. No, No, like he's
still he's still an avenging angel essentially, you know top Dollar.
Top Dollar needs to go of course.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I mean, like I said, that was that was
the only thing was like it just didn't know what
they were all about. I mean, you knew they were bad.
They were cutting people's eyes out and frying them more
for some reason, because the eyes are the she wouldn't
inhaling them too, right. Oh yeah, they're sniffing the smoke cooked.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, I don't know. Like again, the world that was
created was just a very dark dark It was like, well,
it was right out of comic book. But I think
Gotham is the closest I could think of that most
people be familiar with because Gotham you got the Joker,
you got, you got bad guys, are all fucked up
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and they do some nefarious ship. So I think in
that aspect, like we got a comic book, if it
was Batman, I don't think my friend would been like
so pissed off. Yeah, he would already would have understood
why all the bad guys were so.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
He'd already been in that world.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Oh yeah, because you think about like all the Henchmen
and Batman movies are just dumb as ship like they're
they're meant, they're they're there to get killed. That's what
they're there for.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, and the Joker in kind books has done some
awful fucking ship.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
But if Batman was more like to Crow. He wouldn't
have because he would have just killed him. Batman's uh
need to not kill right, let's joker. Joker broke uh
backer ol Barbara Gordon's back. Yeah, uh both, he needn't
break the bag. He shot shot her, yeah, and then
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she was paralyzed became oracle. Yeah. Batman would have just
been more like to crime, like it's gonna kill you
more people. One of the robins was beaten to death
by Yeah, Batman's whole Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
I think he's just a pussy like this bat guy.
Never get it.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
We're not talking about Batman, but I do think that
Batman movies were influenced by this. Could be you know,
the directors were influenced a little bit by this for sure.
One hundred. I mean you could see it all over
it well, all over Nolan's Batman. Yeah, I could see it.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Oh no, yeah, like the a lot of the shooting,
all of the like the way they made like the
alleys and everything look very dark, like yeah, it was.
It was really good. I mean I love the way
of Sean, especially on a budget like that, like there,
they weren't working with a Hollywood budget. They were shoe
string and a you know, okay budget I guessed together,
but nothing. Nothing they could splurge on a lot of ship.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, a lot of the building where the crows flying.
They're like miniatures. Yeah, so bad, it's so amazing, Like
now it would be c g I. Yeah, but when
you when you watch, when you watch the movie, these
are miniatures, Like it's fucking it's amazing. There was some
like back in the day, some talent ass people.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Right whenever. That's that was the one I saw.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Not the c g irs aren't talented. But come on,
you can't imagine building a set with miniatures, Like how
big that would be? How much time consuming?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Like the car chase, the whole car chase scene when
I when I read that that the whole car chase
scene was done, like they didn't have money for that,
so they had to do miniatures. Like I was like,
holy ship, that was a long chase like long scene
when you I never knew, Yeah, I in here.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
It was great. They fucking knocked out of the park.
Hell yeah, cheers to the miniature makers.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
But yeah, then like the first his Tinton then fun Boy,
who I was looking for more of a slow death
for him, Like oh yeah, I wanted I wanted more
brutal death for fun Boy, honestly, just because he was, like,
you know, he was a big piece of shit, Like
they are all pieces of shit, but he like he
was the one. I was like he should die slower
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because you know, he was like he looked like the
one who took way too much satisfaction and raping Shelley,
had the ship like you know, had the drugged ub
mom that like got fixed because of the crow or ever.
But just everything about him just seemed extra slimy. Yeah,
like the other guys were assholes when they and they
would murder and not care, but he just seemed like
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he was the guy that probably enjoyed it the most,
you know.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
So yeah, his death was it was good though, all right,
because they were what shooting up Heroin High and then
when wasn't she like in the middle of what they
were making. I was like, there's a big fucking bird
out there. Yeah, but but it's of course is the crow, right,
Fu's up fun Boy. He does leave him full of
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all his Heroin needles.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Oh yeah, in the shape of the crow on his chest.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Yeah, really, leaving that that mark again like Batman, right, Yeah,
even though Batman did come before this movie.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
But well, how many Batman's have there been? I mean
when one was.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Uh, but now you look at the one Batman with
Ben Affleck. He had that thing where he was burning
the sign of the Batman into people's faces. Nice, so
again leaving his mark influenced by this calling card. But
then the Crow some also has the power I guess,
to grab your arm and squeeze the heroin out of it.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Oh yeah, Like it was crazy, like the weird stuff
that they would just drop on you throughout this movie, Like, yeah,
he just took them, took them. I mean, he knew
it was Sarah's mom, so it was obviously like I
hate you because you've treated your daughter like shit. We
were watching her up to a year ago because you're
a piece of shit and a drug you know, heroin
addict and everything else. They had just grabbed her arm
and I had it squirting out of her like that
(26:40):
was that was a cool scene.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
It was cool. And then but you know instantly she's
all good, Oh yeah, well, making dippy eggs, well, I
like that was one of the things.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Like I don't know, is that like one of those
other powers of his like just getting getting them looking
in my.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Eyes, you know, like well, because he had other powers
to like absorb memory and then use that memory back
on somebody, like the tragic uh yeah, the horrific incident
with him and Shelley, the cop uh. Ernie Hudtson stayed
with Shelley till she died at the hospital. And then
(27:17):
he gave that memory to brand Lee, to Eric Draven,
but he held onto it. It kind of took it
from Ernie. I guess it kind of relieved Ernie of
that pain, that painful memory, which he then used on
the bad guy damn the movie and gave him all
that pain, which was nice.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
I enjoyed this this switch like that, like from being
like guns, swords, everything, and then like oh, I'm sitting here,
no weapon, no anything, but I've got this, you know,
this power to give you this pain all at once.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, the sword fighting was fun. On top of us
a very gothic church, gothic church in the rain, and
he pulls like I don't know, a metal thing out
the top.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Of the almost like a weather vane or something.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
And then you said, like again, I'm like hell, yeah,
this movie's awesome. Should we take a break and come
back with more awesome. Yeah, all right, we'll be back
squawk with more trow It can't rain all the time?
(28:26):
Like one of the lines in the movie.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Oh, I'm like, I'm you know that song was on
the soundtrack, right, yeah? Say you had to have the soundtrack,
was I was? I say that was? That was whenever
I started watching it. That was one of my favorite
things about this movie back in the day was the soundtrack.
I didn't buy a lot of soundtrack CDs back in
the day.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Did you buy this one?
Speaker 2 (28:43):
I definitely had the Crow sounds for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I was just thinking today I should get it on vinyl.
They have to have it on vinyl, right.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, I mean it was ninety four.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, you had like stone Tip of Pilots, nineties Nails,
the Cure. It was a really good soundtrack. But I
think wasn't that one of the songs on like that that.
I don't know if it was Hangman's joke as the
as Eric Draven's band was, but I think they had
they Can't Rain all the Time on the on the soundtrack,
(29:14):
like it was like the last song on the soundtrack.
It might have been.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I felt like there was one one song that.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Because it was in the movie. Yeah, because that's how
Shelley would He saves Sarah almost gets hit by a car,
he saves her. Yeah, She's like that butt face would
have stopped, but I forget what said. He just kind
of turns away. He's like, well, can't rain all the time. Yeah,
(29:44):
And then when she's playing a record it starts skipping
on that she realizes like, oh.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Shit, yeah that was Eric, that's my boy.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah. Yeah, the Cure Stone, Tip of Pilots, Rage against
the Machine. It was this band, like it was pretty badass.
It was that.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It was that Nine Inch Nails song that was really
the stand out in that soundtrack for me, like that
they kind of.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
They used it when he was run across the rooftop, right,
I was gonna say it was like get that first scene,
that first kind of like lead up to that first
action scene was that the crow flying him running in
april planning that that Nine inch Nails in the background
was That's the one I always loved. That's the one
that when I hear it, the only thing I can
think of is the crowd.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, unmistakable, Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
That one. Yeah, shit, I might have to get this soundtrack.
Uh again, like the whole the rooftop scenes. Yeah, it
was so dark, so moody, so freaking cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I almost wish he would have had slightly more superpowers,
like just that's just the thing was like I almost
wanted him to like make ridiculous jumps from building building
they look they kind of inferred it, but they didn't
really show it. And that was kind of like it'd
be cool if he had kind of had like a
little bit of not fly fly, but like you know,
like he's crow like right, like huge jumps and be.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Able to glide a little bit or something. Had ever
rad Yeah, he plays some guitar on the rooftop this
the guitar song.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
The guitar scenes were kind of fun, like he's just
on top of that his you know, old apartment, just
blaring fucking electric guitar.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Oh you know you're think it'd be people like, oh, man.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Shot the fucker in my head I was waiting for,
you know, like cause it would be like jeez, Like,
I mean, we all have neighbors that make noise sometimes,
and I'm just like if that was me because it
wasn't early. It was in the middle of the fucking
night and he's on there just jamming on his guitar.
I can't believe they didn't have a shot the fuck up.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'll come up aeron roof and kick your ask.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Do you know what time it is?
Speaker 1 (31:49):
That actually been a funny scene.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, it was Batman.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Now. I never I don't know if you looked anything
up like why the mind make gut was chosen?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
I may have read it, but I forget as Uh
that's that's I mean. That look also just became iconic,
Like I like obviously, I like like to watch my
professional wrestling once in a while, and that made this
tale was telling uh someone today, I was like it really, Uh,
there was another It wasn't Sting that came up with that.
(32:23):
It was another wrestler who passed away, Scott Hall, but
he was the one that told like Sting was kind
of going through at that time in professional wrestling. He
was always a good guy, but it was kind of
that anti hero movement and he would because he always
had very colorful face paint and he was trying to
like switch it up and do this and do that.
And Scott Hall looks at me and goes, hey, man,
you should do like that face paint like the Crow.
(32:43):
And it was like mid nineties and he did, And
I said, I felt like associating with that movie because
then he had he came out, he had the long
black hair, trench coat, face painted up similar to the Crow,
like the Crow. And I just feel like he catapulted
to just another level of stardom because he was associated
with a fucking badass movie and he was already, you know,
(33:04):
a big superstar and his character was just amazing after that.
You know, he'd come down on it, come, he'd be,
he'd be, you know, coming down out of the rafters
with a baseball bat. They're dressed in all black, like
just looking like a badass.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
So yeah, like that whole character development transferred over to
him for that whole situation and he I mean, that
was the look he kept from mid nineties to like
last this year. He just retired this year. It's sixty
couple years old, which is insane for someone that beats
around their bodies so much on professional wrestling like that.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Speaking the Mime Mega, there there is a scene where
he's talking Ernie Hudson and he kind of and and
Ernie Hudson goes like, well, at least he didn't do
that walking against the wind shit. I and I never
I don't think I got right away. But then it
dawned on me like, oh, because mine's do that where
they're yeah, you know, I didn't get it away. Yeah,
(34:01):
for some reason. But then you know, you know, thinking
about going through stuff watches the cliffs, were like, oh shit, yeah,
mind's only they do that where they're trying to walk
against the wind.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah. I did see something where he said it was
just inspired by like an old like theater mask.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Okay, I don't know, but tragedy.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, he said he wanted to see he thought would
be good to be all like on a just very despondent,
like sad person with a forced smile painted on her
face type thing. But I don't know, like I really
enjoyed it. How they didn't keep repainting his face, like
they kept making it distressed throughout the movie. By the
end of the movie, it was almost half it was
(34:41):
literally half worn off. So I kind of liked that
aspect of like, no, it wasn't I want to keep
painting myself up and we don't. Like no, it was
like I painted at once and I'm want to kill
these people when that's just what I was till at the.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
End, even the final battle with all the rain and
he's getting there was kind of almost washed off, like yeah,
you know he's Eric Drave and you can you can
go to rest man now. Brendnelee painted his own face.
He didn't like the original makeup they did. He's wanted
to do it himself, and then he would go to
(35:14):
bed with it on, so when he wake up to shoot,
it had more of.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
A yeah, you know, Warren, Look, it wasn't crisp.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, and I think it worked. And then I thought
I read that then the the makeup artist whatever, like, Okay,
they made a mask so at least they could keep
getting the line, you know, wear lying around the eye,
so they could keep getting that right every time, because yeah,
you want continuity, otherwise you have to show him doing
it different every every day. And I and I they
(35:46):
apparently also had a mold. They made a mold or
had a mold of his face, and they made a
mask for it for when they had to do fill
in for after he got but people on said when
the stunt guy came in with it on people and
said were like, hell no, and they burned the mask.
Yeah fuck nope. Yeah, so these did a lot of
(36:08):
stuff where they can keep the person in shadows or CGI.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yeah, the face. But I mean, I will say I didn't.
I mean, we all knew what happened at this point.
You're watching, you're watching. It's thirty years old, but really
you don't unless you're super looking for Like I knew
it happened. I wasn't really looking for you didn't. I
couldn't tell.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
I couldn't tell.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, they did a really good job of covering it up.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, I mean even for like nineteen ninety four with
the way the CGI right, really wasn't that great yet?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Right the crow, the crow flying through a couple of
times they see GI it is like that crow. You
can definitely tell it looks like the key Master from Ghostbusters.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Yeah, exactly. But they did a great job. It worked.
Like even while I was watching it and I bought
The Blue Red a couple of weeks ago, and because
my kid never saw it, wow, her house.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He never saw that.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Yep, surprising, And even watching The Blue Rom'm like, you
can't really tell. Yeah, I saw a clip, but there's
a scene when he's in the back of the car.
I don't know. It was must be with t Bird
or there's one. If you've paused this frame, you can
see this actually the stunt guy. Yeah, who went on
(37:17):
to direct John Wick.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Huh how about that?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
But if you're just watching.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It normally, yeah, just enjoying the.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Show, you don't even know. Yeah, I mean, yeah, just
enjoying the show. Who really goes frame by frame trying
to pick out shit?
Speaker 2 (37:32):
There's people out there. They they hate their life. They
were just looking for something to yell about.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, the crowd. What else can we say? Yeah? Yeah,
I absolutely love the movie.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
He came in the nineteen ninety four when I watched
it stuck with me. I always loved it. Probably was
like a ship ton of Halloween costumes for people, right,
uh every year since then, I'm sure some somebody's dressing
up like the Crow this year for Halloween. It just
it made a mark uheh in cinema history, and like
(38:13):
with people, it just you know it. And I don't
think initially it was because Brandon Lee died making the movie.
I think I think it's the movie it somehow resonates
with people. And then some of it because he died
probably brought more attention to it, right, But well, I
don't know. They just captured like this was it was
the right time to make that kind of movie, and
(38:35):
people just love it.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
What was crazy was, like we talked about on different podcasts,
was all the ship that went crazy in that movie?
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Oh yeah, the thing had was like almost cursed right
like it was? It was?
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, it was, wasn't the one with the electrician gut
live power line hit live power lines like in a
scissor lift or something, and electric himself apparently one put
a screwdriver through his hand.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I just read about too, like, oh my god. All
the stuff just happened. But even even with the gun,
like didn't they send the gun gun master, uh, prop master,
whoever's in charge of that, They send him home early,
so they had another guy he did didn't know what
(39:18):
you needed to do with the weapon.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Right, I So it still had like I heard like
this last time I was trying to read about it,
I found that like they were just there. They were
blaming it on in this article about just the mouth
because it was a low budget and they had time crunching,
so they were doing too much, too quick, and they
they shot the scene with the like I forget the
dummy bullets whatever that had. Yeah, and but when they
(39:41):
switched out to do the actual shot, the whatever, like
the blank, the lead from the from the dummy bullet
stayed in when they put the blank in, So the
blank had the charge but not the you know, the lead,
but I don't know. Yeah, that's who knows.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Because the blanks has it's still Yeah, the blanks just
be able to has four. So something lodge in the barrel. Yeah,
still came out from the from the other bullets. They
were cutting corners. So they sent the guy who should
have been there, uh checking the weapons. Yeah, probably costs more.
They sent him home and had just some Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Some guy they I'm sure he went, oh yeah, they're
all good, but.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
They're all blanks. Not knowing he didn't check the barrel
and to make sure the barrel was clear.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
And they switched everything out doing it.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, my gosh. And then the and the actor who
fired a gun. Oh it caused him nightmares. Yeah for
most of his life. Oh yeah, like, hey, how do
you get how do you get around that? Like you
I mean no, maybe it wasn't your fault, but still
you still pulled the trigger. Like ship then I killed this.
I assume you see it forever every time you close
(40:50):
your eyes. Yeah, like it now. James a bar he did,
you know, you know, he did take the money he
made from the movie. He used a little bit here
and they donated a huge sum. Yeah, because he just
he felt guilty and he didn't want him profit off
of the movie because of Brandley's death. Right, So I
(41:10):
mean that's pretty stand up. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Did you see he was actually in the movie as
like a background an extra. Yeah, do you see that?
He was like when the whenever he goes to the
pond store looking for the ring and he blows it
up on all Like Ernie Hudson sees Eric Draven outside
and stops him like, hey, you know you're walking away
from the you know, the explosion, starts questioning him, and
then he looks over his shoulder and he's like torn
(41:34):
because he's like, all right, I got the guy that
maybe blew it up, But all of a sudden, there's
also people out here looting the store. He was the
tall guy with the long hair glick carrying the TV
out of the pawn shop.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Okay, that's awesome, that's cool. Yeah, no, I uh, now
for me, like you start off the episode of talking
about how you've you had an opinion how it reached
called status, almost giving me an opinion that it's not
as good as the cult status makes it seem.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
No, it's it's that's not like it's it's hard to
explain what what what I mean by this. It's but
like if we go ratings, like I'll probably give it
like a nine. I love the movie, but I feel
like there's certain people that probably make it a little
too much more their identity than it should be. Okay,
it's a great movie, but I think they just elevate
it to a point where, like everything can become overrated
at some point, and I think that's a lot. It's
(42:25):
like certain people do with it, like I do. I
love the movie. It was great. I loved every second
of it. I really enjoyed rewatching it and everything else.
But I think some people like it too much. Yeah yeah,
because you.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
Know what, I'm good. I've given it a nine out
of ten. Right, Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
But I think it's one of those things like if
you would gain but.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
As so, it's It resonates with me because I saw
it when it came out. Huge fan of Bruce Lee,
a huge fan of Brandonly. You know, wanted Brandonly to
like continue to fother his foot his father's footsteps, yeah,
and keep making in martial arts movies. One thing in
the movie that was especially when I because I went
with my h Marsh Arts instructor John. I was hoping
(43:08):
to see, like some of the fight scenes incorporate some
GQ do but it really didn't. But I understand that
movie wasn't about showcase martial arts. But I walked into
it thinking, oh, we're gonna get some brand Lee, We're
gonna get some badass martial arts fight scene.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
You only got that and showed down a little Tokyo
rapid fire. Brandon Lee say, I'm not familiar with this catalog.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Oh oh, I came out in the nineties. I think
we're gonna I'm gonna make you watch it, all right. Yeah, no,
this movie, this movie is great. There's nothing to hate on. Uh,
former friend, if you're listening, there's nothing to hate on.
I don't know why you hated it so much. Pompous
(43:55):
ass and my favorite scene, I think, uh, it was
like probably Tintin because it starts off with that that
song yeah, where he's runn across the rooftops and then
just does a backflip in the garbage laughing. Again, if
(44:16):
you were like Tintin, you could be like, well that's yeah,
be a little unnerving. But then even he's like, my.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Knives never miss and he's the first one misses.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
And then we go. But again, it was a moment
where Brindlee was, uh, I know you got we got
a really good first look at the crow and yeah,
yeah that was That was probably one of my favorite scenes.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
I would say that one, but I'm interested of doing
something different. I'll say, uh, I liked. I also like
the the the T Bird sequence, like the fact that, like,
I mean, there was there's multiple guys in the movie
that did did the hole like beg for your Like
the pawn shop guy and T Bird were like just
hard asses up for first then went from begging that
went from that to begging for their life. But I mean,
(45:04):
now the paunch op guy came full circle before he
blew it up, like begging for his life or being
an asshole, then begging for his life, then being an
asshole quickly at the end. So but t Bird went
from like just that you know, I'm a you know,
like the guy, like your typical gangster. I'm a bad guy.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
You can't do me.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Fuck you what do you think you're doing? Like well,
I don't know, you can't come back to life to
like just the like praying to God to like for
any any you know, like for this guy to let
him go as he's duct taping him to the seat.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I T Bird was also in the movie Warriors.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Seen that was his hair just as bad in that
movie as it wasn't this one that was longer.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's actually bad, like it just got me.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
He looked like one of those guys who was like
bald halfway up and then like grew it forward to
coming down because.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Or or I thought maybe he that was the height
of that haircut device called the flow beak ast you
to your sweeper.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
That was like that was one of this goes like
his hair is just so bad, like so bad.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
Uh have you ever seen the Warriors? Highly recommend it. Uh,
iconic scene you probably are familiar with because it's been
spoofed in like cartoons. But he has like coke bottles
on his fingers and he's tapping together like warriors come
out to play. Great movie. Yeah the Crow? There you
(46:28):
gone ten Swole Cinema.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Approved, stamp it, mark it down, and I feel like
sending us your opinion Swoll Cinema at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
You should totally do that.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Yeah, we're going instagram Soole Cinema.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, do that? Do you slide into our d ms
Swoll Cinema.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
Some people, some people have to pay extra for that.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
And hit that five star like and subscribe, like and subscribe.
Uh now I do. I do want to, uh make
an argument to not do what we said we were
gonna do the last episode?
Speaker 2 (47:07):
What was that?
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Watch the new Crow next and make fun of it.
We're not make fun of it. Do a live viewing.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
Okay, you don't want here's my here's my case.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
Uh. The movie we just watches, The Crow is so good.
I don't want to watch a shitty, shitty movie.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
I feel like that's the motivation to watch it and
make fun of it.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
But then we also have to pay for it. I'll
pay for it. That's fine, all right. I guess we're
not backing out of it. We're going around.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
We don't have to do it now, we don't have
to do it. No, I already haven't gonna be picked
out for next week.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
So so then you totally forgot what we said. No, no,
I said time.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I just meant, like a bonus episode that we just
watch it and we don't have to what's that? Well,
then fucking maybe we just I mean I was gonna say, no,
maybe we just drink beers and not make an episode,
just fucking drink beers and make fun of it sometimes.
Speaker 1 (47:55):
No, that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:56):
So I went back to Toby and uh no, actually no,
I like, I remember this movie. I remember liking this movie.
I don't ever watched another one. I watched only once
in like a while back. But it's goott Bruce Willis.
I like Bruce Willis, and it's a remake of an
old Western sett into like the Gangster era, and it's
Last Man Standing with Oh yeah, I liked I liked
(48:17):
the Old Western with Clint Eastwood, and I liked the
Bruce Willi's remate.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Okay, well you want to do that one, Yes, do
that one. Okay, we don't have to watch the Shitty Crow.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
We want to watch the Shitty Crow at some point.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I know Eric was saying he would love to be
part of the watch along and make and watch the
Shitty Crow. But sorry, Eric, we might get there, but
I just didn't want to. I can't do it back
to back. Can't watch a good crow and didn't watch
the Shitty Crow.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
I like, it's just be called that the shitty crow.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
You know what. It probably will start being called the
shitty Crow and then all right, cool, there we go. Yep,
last man standing. It's on tube. We just mentioned it,
so you got seven days? You know.
Speaker 2 (48:59):
We're kind of like the Ring. Let's say, wait, do
you have fourteen days or seven days?
Speaker 1 (49:03):
I feel like every time we mentioned that there's a
movie on tuob to watch, it comes up saying like
seven days, you have seven days to watch it before
it goes away. Yeah. Yeah, this whole cinema would like
to ring.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
For your nineties movies.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
We kill movies on twob. All right, that's it, we're out.
What do we say? Keep lifting those weights, bitches,
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