Ep. 186 - R2 VS Model Y

Join Drew, Randy, and Mike as they discuss poor Tesla service experience, Rivian's product offerings, and the growth of Hyundai Kia!

Randy's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RandyNexus

Published: 7-20-2024, Recorded: 7-18-2024

Episode Transcript

(00:18):
Welcome back to the Tailor's Ivy podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, not to worry
all. I'm back. They saidit couldn't be done this guy. Can
we please get music again? I'mthe talent, but he's the face.
What the heck? What is thenew mister, mister? I don't care

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about anything but Rivian. It's goodto see. No, no, no,
no, you're not dominating one again. I don't care. I just
want to say I missed this.I missed the three of us just in
our little virtual album again. Itfeels like it's been forever and I looked

(01:02):
at the and it was literally forevera literal. I've got stories, a
life history. Event happened in betweenthe last time I saw you Drew so
much has happened, especially with mycar. But fine, let's let's get
the reign of Randy over with.Okay, what I am god, hear

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me roar. First of all,it's been one one heck of a week.
We are a show of ev andwe'll talk about it in TECH two.
But I have to bring this upbecause there is relevance to the show.
I was leaving a Rivian location whenI got the news on Saturday about

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Trump, and I was like,whoa, okay, cool, I want
to find a way to tie itinto EV. That's impressive. Can I
can I get nasty now? Becauseyou guys can't edit this art? No,
no, we can't. We canedit it. Yeah, this is
it. This isn't live. Dangit? All right? Well, uh,

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I was at Rivian and to whatbecause Mike dropped some tips to me.
Uh, pre shooting. It's likea whole different life. It's like
pre COVID, pre shooting, prenine to eleven. Were you guys even

(02:30):
old enough to remember nine eleven?Yes? Move on, all right?
So I got I got to Uh, I got to Rivian per Mike's uh
not request. But at the endof EV last week, he had told
me that there was a show happening. So when I got off the podcast,
literally right when we ended it,and I think EV was the last

(02:51):
thing we did last week. Soright when we endited it and I got
the call with Mike, I wentto Rivian's website to first put in a
reservation thing. I'm sorry, I'msorry, sorry, A test drive,
A test drive, I'm so sorry. That's very different, very different.

(03:13):
Yes, I want to do atest drive, so I go on there
to do it, and then Ialso go look at ticket prices for the
expo that Mike had told me thatwas happening in Denver, only for all
of to get sidelined because then it'ssaid that the service center here in Colorado
Springs actually has test drives available orat the service center, I don't have
to go to a showroom. SoI was like, oh, okay.

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So I go to book my myappointment and there's only one date in all
of July, and I can't evenfast forward to August or just one date
in the middle of the week thatwould have been yesterday, Yeah, on
the seventeenth. And I'm like,no, that's not going to work.
So then I look at the scheduleand it says that they are open on

(03:57):
like the weekend, just not Sundays. So I go Saturday afternoon to the
store to be like, hey,I'm trying to work with you guys to
broke out a even if it's amonth out. I just I can't do
weekdays. I have to do weekends. So I go there before they close
and these bums aren't even there.Their lights are on, but the doors

(04:18):
are locked. Nobody's there. Ihung around for a good twenty minutes.
Nobody familiar. Yeah, huh.So as I'm killing Tom, I'm like,
all right, I'm leaving. AsI get in my car and leave,
literally the whole country changed, Iwas like, oh, this feels

(04:38):
trivial now, and I stopped tryingto up until this very moment. I
forgot that I did this rivian thing. You're like, I'm not going to
complain at the moment. There's otherthings going on. But I was like,
whoo, I dodged a butt nearmy sponsored by Poppy the water Million.
That's a lot I like Poppy.I've just tried one recently. It

(05:00):
was pretty good. That was alot of blinking by model mic there calling
me by my full name here Mottel, Why Michael, oh, even more
full. You're in trouble, sir, oh am, I in trouble.
What I do? I don't know? Anyway. That's it. My reign
of Randy's done. I have nothingto hijack. That's my update. The

(05:20):
update is I have no update,but I try. Okay, all right,
fair enough, try again later.But I can warn you now if
you're if you're inter rivian driving onewill only make you more an interrivian.
I don't think it will hurt,yes, because you're driving butts in seats

(05:43):
right, Hang on, I don'tthink you're going to drive in and not
want one. There you go,broke out the hat. I need the
other. Like anyway, you drovearound with your broken car, in which
I don't know if people who listenedstrictly to the podcast know your car has

(06:05):
been through a very tumultuous time,and I guess yourself and your wife too,
but yeah, somehow you've been ableto travel far distances with it.
Anyways, Drew, what the heckis going on with you? Man?
Straight up? I don't know ifI want you near my cars. You
might break them or something. Idon't know them. There's an aura.

(06:27):
There's something, a very bad auralately, because I basically had two tire
wheel incidences within the course of aboutthree weeks. One of them was definitely
not my fault. One of them, I would argue, is about half
my fault half full self driving expires. You make it, you make it.

(06:53):
Yeah, I basically had to buyThe good news is I had to
buy four new tires, so thatmy car basically has a new set of
tires, and the old tire hadforty five thousand miles on them, so
it's better than popping them and destroyingthem when they're brand new, which I
suppose could have happened if I followedeveryone's advice and bought new tires at forty

(07:15):
thousand miles or something. But therewas still good tread left on those hand
Cooks Rest in peace handcook tires,which are now completely removed. But I
very much lost a lot of respectfor Tesla over how they handled the situation,
also how full self driving performed inthat particular instance. It was quite
literally fitting the definition of worst choiceat the worst time. And I'd heard

(07:42):
that before, I had seen themdisclose that before, But it's a different
thing when you're actually having to payout of pocket for its mistake. And
I'm not trying to say I'm faultless, but I do think that everyone in
the car, if you were inthe car, my parents and my sister
and my wife, all where you'dbe able to attest that this was not

(08:05):
an instance of lack of paying attention. It was an instance of using the
system when you shouldn't have. Becauseof the poor lane markings and also the
sunlight hitting it at the wrong time. And it's basically I was already fairly
negative on FSD. This does nothelp the situation. I'm even more negative

(08:28):
now. I'm like, yeah,I straight up just don't use it unless
I'm on the freeway, basically,when I would have used autopilot anyway,
but for city street driving. Afterit did that, I'm just kind of
done. I'm like, I'm donetrying. I'm done experimenting. I don't
want to be the channel that experimentswith FSD or tries to find out how

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it performs. It's like, Okay, we've done this. People aren't impressed
by it anymore, and it canstill make these horrible mishaps at the wrong
time. And I don't even thinkit's like a software problem, like this
is just a straight up The camerascouldn't see very well, nor could I.
I wouldn't have seen the pothole either, but I wouldn't have hit it.

(09:13):
I would have gone straight past it. But not only that, the
whole way that Tesla service handled thesituation, there was no way to rearrange
the queue, even though I feltlike people on road trips should get priority,
because you can't just get a loanervehicle and go about your day.
Whereas most of the other people aheadof me in the service center, they

(09:37):
straight up said I heard them sayin line, we're in no hurry.
They just a lot of these peoplejust took delivery of their cars and are
getting little quality control things fixed.And I'm like, give them a nice
loaner and take your time on theproject. That's not a time sensitive repair.
Whereas someone who's like late for anappointment, late for work, late
for people and family waiting on them, that should be top priority. And

(10:01):
I personally think, even though I'veheard it's uncommon for repair shops and stuff,
I think that should be a sevenday a week service. I don't
think that should be a great businessday type thing. If I may,
I want to be the defense lawyerto Drew right now, you're going too

(10:22):
hard on yourself about this fault thingfor the UH, for the for the
record you I think in your actuallike dedicated video talking about it, just
the opening the first few seconds isliterally proof enough. Like that's how much

(10:45):
time anybody would have to respond,and the attentativeness is not what's the discussion
here they're trying to make that discussionbecause they're deflecting the discussion a deflection.
The discussion is that there was adrift and it was casual, and then

(11:05):
oh, would you look at that? Other people then come forward and talk
about the drift as well. So, and that was on the unreleased that
was on twelve dot four, thatwas on the newer, later version.
People are very quick to assign blamewho weren't there, but they're not quick
to question the software that operates thevehicle out of this blind loyalty thing.

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And I'm like, this is absolutelysilly and stupid. The commodity definitely made
me less passionate about Tesla the waythey've kind of structured this in a way
it's basically designed in a way thatif FSDs does something good, that's because

(11:52):
it's well designed and it's a goodsoftware. So let's post videos about that.
And there was stuff going on withGolly from High Change as well,
where he straight up said on camerathat the FSD team that was communicating with
the content creators that get early accessfull self driving code, it was straight
up telling them like, hey,we have to be careful with what we

(12:13):
share and I remember even Golly sayinghe felt a little weird about that,
like because the content creators were postingvideos of where it would fail, because
obviously that's interesting content, like itworks well here, but it doesn't work
well here. And then Tesla shortsellers like Dan o'doud and everybody who's been

(12:33):
super negative on Tesla would use thatfootage. Tesla was trying to control the
narrative a bit and say, hey, be careful with how it performs in
poor situations, like don't post itperforming poorly, which I'm like, I
get what you're trying to do,but that's not honest. I don't think
that's honest. And I think thata lot of based on how the community

(12:56):
responded, and especially the following daywhere they started saying, hey, we've
been noticing it kind of drifts offthe leg. The verbiage totally changed,
and you know, we talked aboutthat somebody had to get hurt in your
car for you to then make acomment about it, that's a that's a
disingenuous, uh statement, for toeven try to take that stance from the

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offset. At what point, thenis it appropriately to talk about it.
Somebody needs to get hurt or worse. Does there need to be uh,
you know, local news involved atthat point where when are we allowed to
then talk about our genuine personal experienceof the product. We're not saying it's
not in beta, that it's stillfragile. We're not saying any of that.

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We know, we especially if somebodydoes content on it, we know.
But I'm saying supervised it can makea horrible mistake. Yeah, I'm
saying a car is not safe periodat any real thing. We all take
a chance every single day we getin our car. I agree with that,
But there is a notion with FSDsupervised that you can relax a little

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bit more. And the more yourelax more and with a lot of these
issues that we see, like itdrifting or it heavily relying on cameras,
especially in the case that Drew wasin where there were trees that were pretty
much making a strobe effect happen fora lot of those cameras and your eyes,
and along with that shading areas thatare potentially hazardous portions of the road

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was not a good setup for eitherthe human or the software. So in
this case it's just unsafe regardless forthose occasions where that happens, but it's
unavoidable. It's not like Drew says, all right, we wait until later
to turn this on. Of course, the quote unquote smarter way that maybe

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not smart, but the way thathe could have gone about in different reality
is just not activated FSD Supervised atthe time. But that's not something that
I mean, we expect to seethese hazards on the road, whether with
our eyes or the system sees it, and we don't. But unfortunately,
in this situation, neither caught it. And so it's a bummer for both

(15:16):
well mainly just for you and yourfamily, Drew, but especially with the
car as well. But this isdefinitely a highlight in my opinion for FSD
Supervised, showing where its missteps areand what needs to be improved, whether
cameras need to be positioned in differentlocations or additional hardware might need to be
included in order to manager mitigate theseissues, or even I think the other

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one is make smarter software to atleast recognize these potentials of things happening like
this and was it not and improvingupon it? Was it not? Elon
Who's say that we learn more fromour failures than we do from the successes.
Did you have that paying for Drew'srims? No? But but no.

(16:06):
What I'm getting that is that there'smore valuable takeaway in a learning lesson
from this experience that you had togo through Drew over, Oh yeah,
it was working just fine. Likegoing back to the flawed statement where it's
not an honest thing to say that, like, no, you should highlight
the bad because you learn more fromthe bad, you correct the bad.
If everything is just honky dory outloud, then it's like just share the

(16:27):
good. Yeah, and I thinkit does. If you make the argument
which most testlables do, that FSDis supposed to make driving more relaxing because
the car is making all the decisionsand you're not, then you also have
to acknowledge that FSD has to createsomewhat of a false sense of uh security,

(16:49):
Like it it makes you feel likethe car is watching the road,
you'll be safe because you're not makingas many of those little decisions. But
what my dad said, it wasn'ton camera. I wish it would have
been. But what my dad saidimmediately after the accident was this is not
full self driving. They need tostop calling it that, because if it

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can make a mistake that poorly,that can result in that bad of a
accident that you're twelve hundred dollars outof pocket basically to replace the tires in
the rims. And you have tobe that attentive and ready to take over
within one second of it. Justagain, jerky motions are easy to intervene.
It's the slow, gradual motions thatare very difficult to notice. If

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you have to be that attentive,what's the frickin' point of using it?
If you have to be ready totake over that fast, it's actually less
mental energy. And I can expressthis now after driving myself again on this
last road trip. It's less mentalenergy to just drive yourself at a certain
point, your full self. You'retrue, I'm fully driving myself well,

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and you're not constantly wondering is itgonna react poorly because of the lighting?
Is it gonna drift off the lines? No, you just know I'm in
control, I'm steering it. That'seasier. So I'm back to just acknowledging
I'm gonna drive myself and that's fine. And yeah, it's the community's response

(18:22):
honestly was the more disappointing part inmy opinion, because there was a lot
of name calling or a lot ofpeople just demeaning me or saying I don't
know how to drive or I can'tdrive, and after never getting a single
FSD strike and driving for ten plusyears, never causing an accident, never
getting into an accident, being veryattentive, to have that many people just

(18:45):
say skill issue. It's like,did you get those types of comments on
your YouTube video? Though not asmuch, but yeah, you're right.
The Twitter response was very different fromthe YouTube response, which is probably not
coincidence. Yeah, I have mineof a place, man, I tell
you. Yeah. I think unfortunatelythe the bad got amplified on Twitter because

(19:10):
of these you know, these freakingtryhards, and it's like, dude,
Elon's not going to like your tweet, calm down, but if if you
can get an honest, a morefair assessment, I felt like YouTube would
have been a YouTube is the realtown square? That's right. I just

(19:34):
felt like, you know, intheir defense, I will I will acknowledge
that my YouTube video allowed me toelaborate a lot more on how I felt,
and the tweet was very much madein a moment of anger and frustration
and passion, which is why mostpeople probably, but it was genuine,
and it was genuine. I don'tthink I was lying, but I do

(19:56):
think that it was definitely on thenegative. Like my family, who that
portion of my families who I wasreferring to everybody in the car essentially was
not EV owners and not really inthe market for an EV but curious about
how it performed, and because thatwas their first time ever experiencing FSD was

(20:18):
on that trip and them knowing thatthis is the kind of feature, this
is how the feature performs. Andalso they were very confused that there wasn't
a spare tire. They were like, oh, just the front tires,
pop, let's put the spear onand I had to explain, no,
Tesla's don't have spares. They werelike, what really, Like, this

(20:40):
is already a way more expensive carthan they would ever consider buying. Now,
we tried the self driving feature,and I honestly didn't use it that
much in that area. I diduse it on that same stretch of road
though, and it had worked inthe past, but I knew it was
capable of working correctly on that stretchof road, which is why I was

(21:00):
lulled into thinking it was okay touse. But I didn't anticipate the lighting
to make it drift off the roadlike that. But them seeing it perform
and perform so badly is why Iexpressed in the tweet like I don't think
anybody who's in the car is interestedin buying a Tesla at this point.
They know that they can hit getone flat and then it needs a toe,

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and they know that the self drivingstuff is not really worth the money,
and that's you have to be attentivethe entire time. So they definitely
weren't impressed by it. And everyonetook that as oh Drew saying he would
never buy a Tesla again, andwith a tweet only so many characters you
couldn't specify it like no, bythe family in the car is probably never

(21:44):
going to buy a Tesla at thispoint. I don't mean I would never
consider buying one again. And mycousin just took delivery of one. You
shouldn't, Drew. There's so manycooler cars out there now and soon to
be, mister Tylow, So thethe service center experience of selling me winter
tires in July. Definitely put abad taste in my mouth. And did

(22:07):
you get that way? That's sosilly, you're still running on winter tires.
Well, there's not a good there'snot a good fix to this situation.
You can't just go there and say, hey, they put your mom
and I. Oh, that's whatI did. I contacted the local Tesla
service center and I said, hey, I was in I was sold winter

(22:30):
tires in July, and they didn'ttell me they were winter tires and I
was on a road trip, soI had to leave. I didn't have
time to argue with them. Isthere some kind of return policy return window?
I have my receipt. It wastwo days after they installed them,
and they said, no, there'snothing we can do. We won't fix
them. If you've driven any mileson the winter tires at all, then

(22:51):
you can't return them. So myoptions were buy new all season tires or
just live with the winter tires.Which the concern that I have with that
is that winter tires are not suitedfor summer driving, especially in your climate.
I agree, I know they aren't. So the only solutions are going

(23:12):
to increase the price. I experiencemore facts, my guy, I think
my only concerns with that situation thatyou had drew, which was an awful
situation. I feel terrible for youand your family, and I'm glad that
no one was hurt, But myonly concern being one that uses FSD not

(23:33):
on a daily but on a weeklybasis, mister Denier, of my usage
of FSD, I will say,I'm confident in my usage of FSD,
or at least my leisure of itin my commute, because I know the
routes, or at least I seethe routes that's going to take, and
I'm confident I know what the roadlooks like there, I know the turns.

(23:56):
The only variable there is the systemoperating, how it does where it's
was it confidently uncertain, and alongwith that other drivers on the road and
or construction. So I mainly lookout for those three things. Otherwise,
the routes are pretty well mapped inmy head, and they're well taken care

(24:18):
of. From what I can tell, there's not too many bumps or just
it's familiar road for me. Andso that was my main concern with your
situation was and I didn't know this. I mean, this is the most
I've heard besides your video that youdid on it was how much did you
know of that road that you weredriving on that you were confident to use

(24:41):
FSD And it sounds kind of sillybecause something like planning road trips and all
that, there's most likely a wholebunch of roads that you're gonna be taken
that you've you're not familiar with.You don't know what the condition is for
that road and if there's a constructionor anything else going on. So just
doing use unless you've been on thatroad it sounds very silly. But in

(25:03):
the case of what the situation thatyou're in, it was just so many
things stacking up, so many smallthings that stucked up into a bad outcome
of I agree you were on thatroad in the past, but just not
too much to where you knew wherethat pothole was. Along with that,
it was the evening sun is ata weird angle. Ye software. I

(25:26):
had driven on that exact stretch ofroad probably five or six times on this
trip, so it wasn't like thepothole just suddenly appeared and I never tried
it on this stretch of road beforeit was nearby friends and family that we
were visiting. So again, that'sthat's the kind of danger I want to

(25:47):
echo to people is just because itcan handle one situation doesn't mean it will
always perform properly in that exact stretchof road. And my hope is that
through my misfortune and bad luck stackingup on top of each other, other
people will increase their attentiveness and rememberto not trust it, because Tesla's not
kidding when they say it'll do thewrong thing at the wrong time. I

(26:11):
just think, I think about thesituation that you're in, or the lightning
conditions as well. If you can'tsee the road that well, don't use
software that is well what used tobe in quote unquote beta now is in
parentheses supervised supervised. But that's agood point. Then you need to supervise
it's driving. If you can't seethe road as well, then the system

(26:33):
most likely can't see it either.But again that's the point. Yes,
what's literally the point then, ISo before even this happened to you,
Drew, I was ready less andless on my FSD. Mainly one,
I have to replace my dash caminside it won't even activate now one two

(26:55):
I am just way too paranoid.Now that I have my kid in the
car, I can't. I can'tbring myself to do it. I don't
trust. I'm paranoid for a differentreason. But I'm also paranoid now any
anytime, even on the highway,when I use it, I'm a lot
more skeptical of if there's a turnin the road or if the painted of

(27:17):
the lines gets a little bit darker. I just like, no, not
worth it. I turn it offway more than I used to because of
this whole experience, which maybe isinadvertently saving my life. Who knows,
Hey, I'm it's saving mine.I'll tell you that much. You are.
Your lesson taught me what type ofdriver I am, and when it
comes to assistance, I'm an adaptivecruise control kind of guy. I like

(27:42):
having eyes on the road as longas I don't get tired staring off the
door. I get tired with thewith the ankle doing this all the time.
That's what is ticking for me.So adaptive cruise contry. What sucks
about FSD supervised as it gets ridof cruise control too? It does,
it does too? What too?But two updates ago? One up date
ago is very recent that that happened. You have to go into settings and

(28:04):
select steer and then you you haveFSD on. Then there's no way to
activate cruise control. Even if youdisengage fs D, it's still just you
pedal and steering driving until you gointo settings and make sure fs D is
all the way off because you don'thave one tap down anymore, or you
don't have a one tap for itto do that. It's one for boom

(28:26):
boom, and it just does insteadof doing it twice, which I don't
like because it's more steps. Butat this point I just disabled the thing
and that's what I did. Anadapt control. Yeah, I like that
more. I'm fine doing this.I'm fine looking at the road. I'm
always eyes on the road anyway,even when I'm the passenger. I'm just

(28:47):
staring at the road all the time. But it's it's it's the ankle that
is fatiguing, not not the melooking off to the to the distance.
So I don't see myself utilizing FSDreally anymore. As cool as the software

(29:07):
is, I can't risk it whenI have my son in the car.
That's a that's a that's a nonstarter. For me at that point.
So if it's just mean, it'sa different story. But then it's like,
I'm not incentives to even schedule theservice appointment for with Tesla. Uh.
But Randy, Tesla's are the safestvehicles on the road. Look at

(29:30):
all the cars that have crashed andeveryone watched. That's perfectly fine, even
one fell off of a lunch me. I'm not doing that. I mean,
he says that in a funny voice, But there is some truth there
is. There is a lot ofgreat safety features. That's not wrong.
I'm just saying all of the mileswith FSD that they brag about without incident,

(29:55):
that's all under human supervision. Soit's we don't know how well FSD
does unsupervised. They don't give usthat data, and I think there's a
reason why they don't give us thatdata. It's because there's probably not much
of it and it's probably not verygood. You know, if there was
no human involved, how often wouldit make a critical mistake. We still

(30:18):
don't know, and we won't knowuntil they actually start shipping these robotaxis,
which were sadly delayed. I wasdisappointed to see that news, but I
can't say, I'm surprised. I'msurprised how reactionary the stock was about that.
It's fine, it's fine. Hasit hit the special price yet?

(30:42):
It almost did? It almost did, but then but then somebody had to
go try to get his earshot off. Oh my gosh. Lots of plans
were changed that day. I amclose, though, I have a specific
number, and we are close tothat number. Uh, not as close

(31:02):
today because it closed out a negativetoday. It's lower today than it was
yesterday. But I have a yeah, I did. I have a feeling
it will be. It will happenthis year. It closed out a negative,
isn't it. Technically it's up zeropoint three to two percent? But
who's kind of I am because Ihave a lot of that's basically nothing that's

(31:27):
like normal, normal movement. ButI will just to close out my whole
frustration with Tesla experience. It mademe really mad at the company, the
community, the brand, and atthe end of the day after driving home
with it, even with the overheatingissues, and we went on a camp

(31:48):
We went on a camping trip withit recently over the weekend and we car
camped. So I've now slept inthe car many times with camp mode,
and we charged it at the campground, which was fun. I can still
say, while I don't have arose colored view of you know, a
perfect view of Elon or Tesla,and there's a lot of nice thing Harry

(32:13):
View, a midnight cherry view,thank you, I would still buy one
again. There's there's a lot ofthings Tesla does amazingly well, and I'm
ticked off by how they poorly theyhandle other things, but I just consider
it. You know, I'm learningmy lessons, so I'm not going to
be fussing around with FSD anymore.Anytime I get tire repaired, don I'm

(32:36):
going to have to be extra criticalof looking at the tires before I leave.
But in this situation, we reallyhad no choice. It's just bad
luck on top of bad luck.Even if I would have noticed right away
that they were winter tires, Iwouldn't have been able to We had to
leave that there wasn't an option tostay longer. So it's a sucky situation,
but I keep telling myself it probablywould have been in a similar predicament.

(33:02):
Had I popped a Rivian tire ordamaged a Rivian wheel, I could
have either used the spare or goneNo, possible, but the Rivian center.
Again, you could damage a rimin a Rivian too, It's possible,

(33:23):
but a Rivian center would not havebeen closer. And Rivian centers are
still run by people, just likeTesla centers, and people make mistakes,
and we call them happy accidents,we call them happy accent. That's what
they called my little brother. Ijust want to remind you, similar to

(33:45):
how we're all looking very positively atRivian, that it's it's kind of like
how people live in a place longenough you discover all the problems with it,
right, and you live in oneplace for a long time, you
go, oh, I hate thetraffic here, and I hate the weather
here, and I hate this Ican't wait to move to somewhere else where

(34:07):
it's so much better. Then youmove to that other place, and you'll
slowly, over time find all thethings you didn't know about it that you
didn't like. I feel very similarthat if we switched to a Rivian,
you would slowly start to figure outall the things you don't like then you
don't know about yet. Even theguy the story I want to share,

(34:28):
I know the CEO and that's goodenough for me. There was a guy
who bought you know, eighty thousand, probably ninety thousand, actually ninety thousand
dollars Rivian R one s and hewas super pumped, he was super positive
and excited about it, and withinnot even forty eight hours, basically had

(34:52):
to take it back to the servicecenter because of all kinds of error messages
twelve battery break, unavailable system,fault locked at nineteen miles an hour,
vehicle battery issue, high pressure monitoringsystem, and more so, he's had
less than twenty four hours of ownershipand it had to go straight back to
the service center. So they hadto hard reset it and that fixed it,

(35:15):
but then the error message happened againthis morning. Took them thirty minutes
to be able to get the carto move and drive. So they give
them a loaner car, which iscool. But I'm just trying to remind
everyone that, you know, whileTesla has their faults, everybody does,
and you could run into similar issueswith the Rivian as well. Well.

(35:36):
That's the point is they're both startup companies, or at least one is
a more successful startup company that's hada head start compared to the other.
But even so, these are bothcompanies that are known for outputting some amazing
software. But that doesn't mean thatit's very solid software at least unfettered or

(35:59):
uncompromise. It's very it can becompromising in many different aspects. So but
having that in mind, just buyerbeware, pretty much, buyer beware.
Here's my thing. I've two things, one correction out of my I was
looking at my portfolio right now justto see every single one of my holdings

(36:20):
is a negative except Tesla. It'szero point two nine percent. You're right,
closed up. I'm just talking abouttoday's movement, not not not my
position, not my position. I'mtalking about just the market. No,
no, please please, I havebrain cells mind. Hey, I'm still
holding hold the lot, youthful.I got both my shares, the both

(36:45):
full. No, so yeah,good job Tesla. There literally is the
only thing that was green in myin today's movements. But anyway, uh,
going back to what you were saying, though, Drew, I don't
what I mean. We wouldn't bein this mess if it was a Rivian
because Rivian doesn't have an FSD,they don't tut to have They don't tut

(37:10):
to have this, you know,relaxer, supervised beta blink blink, it's
just the same. Well, justthink about my previous accident then, where
the road debris popped and busted ther. Okay, that's unavoidable, But
that's not the part that put abad taste in my mouth or yours.
It was it is what I'm saying. For that situation where it was not

(37:32):
my fault at all and it waspurely just the cars colliding in front of
me, a Rivian center would havebeen much much harder to get to than
a Tesla center. I does Rivianhave partnered locations, not when they make
custom rims like Tesla does, whichI'm after this experience, getting more and

(37:53):
more frustrated with. I'm like,wait a minute, So I can buy
a tire from anywhere, but whenyou make custom rims, you can't just
get those at any tire shop wheelshop. You have to get them from
Rivian. And they do that foraesthetic reasons or efficiency reasons. But I
probably my car probably would have beenout of service for longer had it been

(38:15):
a Rivian in that particular instance.The first one, well, the first
had that happened. The second situationprobably would not have happened, But then
you wouldn't have traveled in your wholeplan. Yeah, that's whole thing.
Yeah, that's crazy. I thinkit's not that I wouldn't do a tesla
again, it's if I had tostart over. Now, I'm a completely

(38:39):
different person in my lifestyle is completelydifferent. I don't have the need of
a long range Model three. Iwould prefer to get a tesla. I
mean, sorry, sorry, Ihad I had a Biden moment. Anyway,

(39:00):
if we could sum up America intoone word, we don't even know
what's the flag of the bag.I would prefer to get a Ribean an
R one T that color, thatexact everything right there for our YouTube viewers.

(39:21):
I would prefer it. But Ican't even guarantee how I would get
an EV immediately. I might justhave to wait until there's more used dvs
on the market because I wouldn't buynew. That's the thing I would buy
used, regardless, I don't.I'm not. I'm not incentivized to buy
new anymore, especially like when Ithink about it, the tax credit for

(39:49):
Colorado has one of the highest taxcredits. If you do buy new there's
a I have a hesitation the sameway I do about when people are there's
artificial hype on a product. Wewere talking about this with the aipin and
stuff like that, when there's sucha big push for you to try to
get this thing quicker than maybe youshould. And I made that mistake with

(40:13):
the tax credit back in twenty nineteen. I would be okay, just waiting
until there's more used vehicles out there. And I guess where I'm getting as
I don't think I'm all that interestedin being an early adopter anymore. From
the privilege of me already being anearly adopter. It's so hard and brave

(40:35):
for me to say, I know, but I don't know. I don't
know if I need the same stuffit was what I need it before.
I need a working vehicle that cancomfortably put a car seat in their one
car seat. Mike, he teasedme. He teased me last time.
I don't even know if we wereon air, but he teased me,

(40:59):
no, we weren't. I wasI was like, hey, man,
check out this cool thing, andhe was like, oh my god,
you're pregnant again. I'm like no, but he goes but you said car
seats plural. I'm like, likefuture upgrades, Mike, he teased me
about it, but just just theone car seats And I just ideally something

(41:24):
with a bed, and I'm okaywith a small I'm okay with just getting
a Maverick. To be honest withyou, it's okay. Whatever goods there?
Wait, what did you say?I said the Mavericks a little big
from get out of my face.Get out of my face. I could
buy a Maverick right now. Therewe go today. You know what you

(41:46):
can't buy right now, Mike isan R two. No, But thankfully
I don't need a new car rightnow. Well, that's kind of the
interesting debate you were having in thelast episode. Yes, I do listen
to the ones. I'm not inunlike no some of you. But you're
like that might know. If somethingwere to happen to the model Y,

(42:07):
I don't think i'd replace it witha Model I'd replace it with an R
two. But I'm like, theR two's not out. That's that wasn't
the question. Well, yeah,well I said in that very same podcast
that you claim to have listened to, I said, if the Y got
total today between now in the nexttwo years. True, it would probably
turn into an R one S becausemy wife really loves the R one S.

(42:30):
You did say that, But twoyears after that if the Y gets
totaled, and R two would mostlikely replace it, Mike did refresh my
memory from from last week. Rtwo is the same footprint or is it
the R one that's the same footprintwith the Model Y. R two is
the same footprint as the Model Y. The only difference is that it's a

(42:52):
little bit more squared off on theback, so you get a little bit
more storage. Don't make me wantit more, I know, which is
why I should have a third rowoption. I after that conversation that we
had, I think two podcasts ago, I agree. I just don't think
it's the imperative, or at leastthe first thing on the docket that the
ARE two needs coming off the line. First of all, it's being built

(43:13):
in normal, So I feel thatway about the tri motor. Yeah,
that thing's a little bit ridiculous forthis. Let's have three rows before we
have three motors. People, comeon, that's a big enough vehicle.
You could fit a third row inthere. Don't don't tell but the thing
is R one T and the Rone S are being built now R two

(43:34):
is not. And R one said, you're said, go ahead, I'm
not talking about the R one.I'm saying they've publicly stated they will make
a try motor R two first.Oh I remember, and I'm saying that's
a waste of time. The Rtwo is supposed to be the cheaper vehicle.
I don't think you should start outwith a tri motor for the cheapest
vehicle. But they're probably trying tochase Margins, so I get why they're

(43:55):
doing it. But still I'm like, if you're going to chase Margins,
then just make it a three rowat that point, you know, like
that's a very common segment. Alot of people want three row SUVs.
It's a I think the R twoorders would be a lot higher, and
RJ would probably feel more comfortable sharingthe R two reservation number if it was
a third row, because more peoplewould order it. But maybe they're trying

(44:17):
to protect R one S sales.I wouldn't be shocked at all if maybe
they have a plan to make ita third row, they just don't want
to talk about it so that peoplekeep buying the R one s That's that's
my theory. Would either of yoube comfortable, okay, or however you
choose to interpret this question, wouldeither of you get a gas vehicle for

(44:42):
the interim if something was to happento either of your teslas now leading up
to a future ev a couple ofyears from now, from either R two,
APTERA, tello, you name it, whatever the case is, as
a placeholder between now and then,would you go out and get like just
a cheap beater getting you from Ato B and let that hold hold you

(45:04):
down for twelve to twenty four months? Yesh. I think it depends on
the situation that I'm in, onwhether my needs require a vehicle immediately or
if it's something that we can staveoff for a little bit, whether we
shop around for something that's in ourarea, or if we can wait for

(45:24):
a custom and or existing inventory vehicleof our interests that's nevy, or if
it's not. If it's not possible, then it pretty much becomes yeah,
okay, if it's not going tocome in the next couple months and we
really need another vehicle for this specificscenario, let's get a cheap Beater car

(45:45):
for the time being. I lookat Doug Demuro's cars in bids site I
think once a week, just seeingwhat they got on there. It's always
interesting stuff where things like our onetees come rotating on for like forty two
dollars, which that might do.It's very well, it's an auction site,
so I'm seeing the vehicle a certainslice of time in its auction,

(46:07):
so it could jump up. Butfrom what I can tell from the history,
they I think average around sixty sixtythousand on cars and bids end of
sale or end of auction, sostuff like that. I mean, it's
a little bit expensive for used vehicle, but stuff like old Mustangs or Miadas

(46:28):
and all that would be fun.To have an old Miada that's kind of
been beat up and is selling forone or I guess two to five thousand
dollars on the site. It's like, yeah, we could do. That's
the price range I had in myhead, like somewhere between two to five
grand the highest, maybe seven grand. Would you drop somewhere between two and
seven grand to hold down the fortfor at most a couple of years twenty

(46:53):
four months ish and wait for thatdream or not even dream just to see
what the market would even look like. And I'm not even saying stepping away
from Tesla, maybe cheaper used newermodels come out of your same variant or
even newer, and now it's maybemore affordable. Yeah, what do you

(47:15):
think true? What would you doin that situation? Would you do that
situation? Yeah? I agree withMike that it would depend heavily on the
context of the financials and stuff like. For instance, if someone else hit
me and they were at fault,I would get a payout. In that
case, I would probably replace mycar with another Tesla, because the way

(47:36):
time's not that long. I wouldn't. I would actually be really grateful if
that happened now, because then Icould get the real, real drive long
range Model three, which is theone I always wanted. Three hundred and
sixty miles. That thing is awesome. That's kind of like dream car territory.
I there were talks in the householdthis week. Okay, that's all.

(47:58):
I'll say, this car is crappy, we need to replace it now.
Who likes white? Anyway? Costsone thousand dollars. You get burning
on the phone, you get ina couple scuffs with the car and immediately
saying, let's get rid of thesethings. No, dang it, Mike,
I wouldn't have gotten rid of ourcare just oh okay, so wow,

(48:21):
So replaced the Sonata with the newModel three, so they've got two
white models. Okay, we're bothwe're both doing a lot more driving than
we used to. So the discussionis that the variables have changed. You
know, when when we were bothworking from home, it was like,
yeah, what's the point, Butwe just bought the Model three for road
trips. But now that we're usingit for commuting and she's using it for
work and we're doing the road tripson top of that, it's kind of

(48:44):
like, okay, yeah, thetwo hundred and fifty kilowatts is not not
something that comes up for fast chargingtwice a year. Now it's coming up
twice a month. So you know, obviously we needed a new car when
we needed a new car, sowe bought the cheapest possible test that we
could back in twenty twenty two.But like Randy, situation has changed,

(49:04):
My situation has also changed. Soit would probably be a tough call between
Model Y versus three because Model Why'skind of dated now, I think we'd
both be more on board refresh wheneverthat happens. But you take that back.
It's not dated, it's beautiful.Hey, my cousin has a newer

(49:24):
one than you do, so I'mI'm just saying, and it looks exactly
the same. You take that back. No, he's got the he's got
the black rims that are efficient.He seriously got like the dream literally break

(49:45):
not pedal, but red breaks justto cover. But yeah, whatever you're
let me find it, Let mefind And I got the red bar underneath
dual motor. How how will peopleknow I'm pretentious without the red You're looking
at my trying to get the rimsthat you showed up, just pulling up
my Instagram no look way Back inJanuary of twenty twenty, we reserved the

(50:09):
long range re Real Drive Model Yback when it was advertised with the efficient
black rims. These were when theyhave the same arrow rims as the Model
three. They never actually shipped itlike that, but we placed the order
right then and there, and obviouslywe ended up canceling it because we wanted
to pay off the house first,but and many other reasons. But Z

(50:35):
you're stupid, bes and wry.But he literally got a white Model Y
with the black market. I waslike, and they love it. They
love it, although the only negativething he had to say about it was
FSD wasn't very good. They wereusing it somewhere, he was. They
took a road trip with it,obviously because they just got it, and
they they threw in two free monthsof supercharging. He got one month of

(50:58):
FSD for free. He obviously didand pay for it. And even though
the rereal drive Model Y doesn't comewith a parcel shelf, they asked for
one and the manager threw one in. So oh wow, there's some you
know what. That story reminded me. And also, I think the reason
I've I've kind of cooled off onTesla since the negative tweets and videos is
that I'm I'm witnessing them in theirmy cousin and his wife in their early

(51:22):
Tesla days, and I remember thatfeeling. They were so happy, they
were so excited. Keep me ignorant. I remember they just bought. He
was also in an accident actually thesame week I was That's the whole reason
they bought the car was because theirminivan got totaled. What is happening road?

(51:44):
Family? Three generations back, somebodyin your one it does matters.
Three generations ago, somebody in yourfamily line touched a haunted box or something
that was that had you know,Catholic water put onto it. And now
and now you guys are cursed withdriving or something. I don't know.

(52:08):
Yeah, it was in Washington halfthe time. But yeah, I'm just
I'm overly cautious now, So don'tmove to Washington tracking, got it?
Yeah, I just think in yoursituation, I already have a Beater gas
car. Although the AC went outin the Sonata on the hottest day of
the year, so that was nicegross, So I would probably a AC

(52:37):
windows down sixty miles per hour.Oh no, man, I thought you
were trying to say AC DC andyou were having a stroke or something.
I thought I was having a stroketrying to understand that joke. Hey did
you hear that? I'm a poetand I didn't know it. Hey,
get out came to open. Sometimesyou drive places under sixty miles an hour,

(53:02):
believe it or not, but atleast you have the same set of
tires. Not in California. Comeon, Drew, you live in California.
You know this fact. Everyone drivessix miles power minimum everywhere. So
I would tell you guys in mysituation, to any listeners still hanging with
us, in the same scenario,I paint it, the responsible thing to

(53:27):
do is to get yourself a Beatercar for a little bit. If you're
trying to save up some cash,just something. Get you from me to
be or you gor rids and geta twenty twenty one Tesla Model three Performance
for the high spid right now beingeighteen seven hundred and fifty dollars. No,
the car is sub ten grand.It's only four digits out of your

(53:49):
bank account. That's hey. Iwould let me tell you, I'd get
a bolt for around that four digits. If it's an interim. I've seen
some get pretty close. It mightit might fudge a little bit. It
might be like eleven thousand, there'sa grace period, and they're just like,
don't do fifteen or seventeen whatever theNissan what what's that cheap car from

(54:12):
Nissan? That thing is like startingat eighteen thousand. Song as you're not
near that, then okay, fine, fine, I get it inflation.
Okay, fine, costs go up, but get a beater car. I
would get a beater car in thescenario that I don't already have the beater
car here, if I'm talking aboutme specifically, I would just something happened
in my car. Just use themodel Y. I mean, but we

(54:37):
do have the yrs still for howmuch longer? Who's to say? But
we still got it? What arewe looking at? What is this twenty
twenty three Tesla model? Why performance? Show me the carfax? It says
clean on title? What is theplace of bid? What's the current thirty
six out? No, this iswhat I was looking for earlier, where

(55:00):
you're like, what are you lookingat? I love those rims, by
the way, They're beautiful, yes, and they're efficient, they're disgusting and
then just gosh, just to pairoff with your earlier image, Drew,
this is my lineage with them allA wife of Oh yeah, the errors,

(55:21):
the Gemini rims. Oh yeah,the sport is with dates and all.
Yeah. Yeah. I think ifthe refresh to the Y is similar
to the three, the prices mightnot change very much and the rain should
only get better because the arrow shouldimprove with the facelift, not by a

(55:45):
lot. But knowing that's potentially aroundthe corner, and who knows, they
might throw in a front bumper camerasomething like that, that'd be a pretty
tough deal to beat opposed to Idon't know. We'll we'll have to wait
and see what the R two marketis like, or who knows. If

(56:05):
you guys go the Rivian direction,I might have to go the direction or
something like that because I don't losesaid I'm the efficiency guy. You can
be what our hell is even thatlud drive. I haven't, but I've
seen pricing. There's isn't efficient aboutthat. Well, they're just like,

(56:30):
well, we're talking down the roadhere. The R two is all hypothetical
at this point. Lucid's working ona mid size vehicle that's supposed to be
in the forty eight thousand dollars range. So if there was a super efficiency
focused mid size. This is basicallythe conversation because my wife did make it
very clear we're not interested in spendingmore than fifty thousand on a car.

(56:52):
Ever, again, it's just tootoo much sales tax and then you usually
get the custom tires and all that. Kind of too much money for a
car. It pushes up the registrationa lot based on what it's worth,
so I don't really look at unlessfinancial situations change heavily. I don't see
a situation where we buy a brandnew Model X or R one S or

(57:15):
something high priced. But for usit's gonna be I think, like a
lot of middle class Americans, adebate between refreshed Model Y, the Juniper
refresh Rivan R two, and maybethe Lucid mid size. If you're interested
in the up and coming startup brands, obviously you're still gonna If they fixed
car play, I hate what theydid the car play. They should be

(57:38):
taken out back and shot if theywere a real car. It did something
with car play, though I wouldrather have nothing than that monstrosity, not
a freaking Stein looking thing. Idon't know. Tesla NEV has been very
disappointing to me lately. It's takenall that weirdest growth and I miss Apple
Maps. I would rather use that. The only thing I like about the

(58:01):
Tesla navigating system is that it tellsme exactly what road I'm on or what
city I'm in, instead of uh. At least the last time I used
Apple Maps, it didn't give methat little indication on the on any part
of the display. Uh, Teslawill say, oh yeah, you're driving
on south whatever you're on, You'reon this thing and you're in this city,

(58:23):
and it's updates in lifetime. LikeI like that. That's cool.
That's it. I don't like anythingelse about it. I like of the
car doing everything. That's why Itried. I use Tesla Nab as much
as I can because I don't like, let me connect my phone and let

(58:44):
me select lick this. I don'twant to get an accessory to mount my
phone up there. I like that. It's okay. You're okay. You
before Tesla you were doing just finewith your Apple Maps on your phone.
You will be fine again. Itwasn't I hated that car. You hated
the car, but you like theApple Maps on your phone. That's true.

(59:07):
But you prefer the biggest possible screento be giving me the direction.
So you want the biggest possible screen, the smallest form factor of a vehicle.
Just get an iPad. We're gettingahead of ourselves. Here are we
were? Now we're in we gottawe gotta wrap it up soon. The

(59:30):
other there was one breaking news storythat I thought was like it's worth talking
about while we're recording right now.Tesla has started changing some of their prices
on what's new. So the Models n X prices went up in the

(59:52):
US by two thousand dollars, sothat's usually a good sign. But where's
the tweet I just added here?Did he delete it? There's a Model
Y missing? Or wait no?Oh? He said, Oh, okay,
here's the news. It's from RyanMcCaffrey, Mike's favorite. He's pretty

(01:00:16):
cool, like Mike's like, Iwon't deny that some Tesla news for my
testli fam out there. You canget any Model three Performance Configuration and still
stay under the MSRP limit for thetax credit if you order FSD. So
if you order full self driving,all of the paint and interior choices like

(01:00:38):
white, interior, Ultra red becomefree. Same thing with the Model X
seeding. So if you order itwith FSD, which doesn't disqualify you from
the federal tax credit because it's asoftware thing, then they will throw in
the six or seven seater at noadditional charge, which is kind of a
It's more expensive to get FSD,though not technically, because you qualify for

(01:01:04):
the tax credit this way, whereasif you just spent what you're not going
to see the money at your taxcredit. It's just it goes towards filing
and bringing your your No, it'spoint of sale. Now that's something you
got wrong. See I am listeningon the last episode. They've switched it
to be point of sale. Sonow it's seventy five hundred off from what

(01:01:29):
you pay when you take delivery.It's still more expensive to get FSD just
just upgrading, because if you upgradedyour specs accordingly, it would disqualify it
from the federal tax credit, whereasif you get FSD, you still get
the seventy five hundred off. Thisis what this is technically, But we're

(01:01:53):
basically saying that I found a wayto give to get the Biden administration to
pay for everyone's FSD. That's whatthey're man. You know what's funny to
me? Okay, because we're nearthe end and I don't want to get
too political here. So Elon's endorsingcertain candidates that shall not be named,

(01:02:14):
Bigley, but you certain vice presidentsand presidents that he's endorsing are totally in
favor of removing the EV tax credits, and yet the Tesla sales team is
trying so hard to get as manyTeslas as they can to qualify, Like,
oh oh, FSD will add thatafter the delivery, and then that

(01:02:36):
makes the six and seven seed free, and then the color options you can
still add up so that it qualifiesfor the federal They're trying so hard to
do these gymnastics to get FSD.I mean to get the federal tax credit
to qualify. Meanwhile, the Technoking is like, yeah, get rid
of all those screw it. It'sjust a little that guy's cool. It

(01:02:59):
just feels a little funny to methat you have someone endorsing all this,
like, yeah, get rid ofthe EV tax credits, and then the
Tesla company like, how do weget as many tax breaks as possible?
This is who the shareholders voted for, Drew. This is who they were
bustling so much for him to getget Star based. Once he gets Star

(01:03:20):
based down to Austin as well,then or Star based down to Austin.
I'm meant SpaceX whatever HQ in whichthey're not moving. This is the way
I have the EV is it though, isn't EV just a subsidiary of elong
everything else a hard line right there. No, this is what I don't

(01:03:42):
like about it is it's turning somethingthat was supposed to be about cars and
vehicles and efficiency into Okay, whodid he endorse this time? You know,
I don't want to go there.I hate talking about politics because politics
are all about impossible questions that bothsides of the political spectrum are angry about

(01:04:03):
because there's no right answer, there'sno flawless answer, so everybody's just mad
all the time and it never getsanywhere, which is why I wanted to
talk about technology, and yet Elon'strying as hard as to get us to
all talk about politics, which justinvolved complaining about someone else all day and
that they don't think the way Ithink. And I don't want to do

(01:04:28):
that. See, I'm from ageneration where we don't talk about religion or
politics because you're not going to changesomebody's mind based off of just that thing.
No one person in my circle changesmy mind. It's the world in
its entirety, and also my viewson the world as they change, so

(01:04:48):
do My selection of the politics isgross, man, it's just dirty like
that of all people, of allpeople, Dana White said, it best.
I was watching that Lex Freeman podcastand because he's you know, best
buddies or at least really good buddieswith Trump, and he was like and

(01:05:09):
so just casual, like you everthought about politics, Like politics is disgusting,
it's it's it's it's the most corruptand it's the most gross profession to
be in. I don't envy anybodybeing in it. And I'm like,
that's that's it, that's it.So uh but I mean, as long
as Elon says something, he Unfortunately, Elon is so powerful that he manipulates

(01:05:34):
the market off of his just sporadictweeting, and I'm and I don't like
that. I don't like that.He's what makes Tesla stock volatile and why
I'm like, I'm not comfortable withthis anymore. It's just okay, so
you're neurotic, cool, all thegreat minds are right, that's what they

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say. You're kind of a jerk. Fine, I mean, all right,
then at least that's out there andpeople choose they want to work for
those organizations. But you have theability to just not manipulate because that's illegal.
But he influences the market at leastin his sectors, which are the
most prominent in the you know,fortune five hundred. It's a bit uncomfortable

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that you say one thing and thenactions do another. And then the more
he talks, the more he kindof digs himself a hole, like the
whole Like we'll put a man onMars in ten years, and it's been
over ten since he said that,Like people just or it's about two weeks
away. Oh, I don't seewhy I wouldn't be ready by the end
of the year. I mean we'vemeaned on that for years now. Like

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the more he talk, man justjust just you know, Jeff Bezos,
it a little bit, go behindthe scenes a little bit, or you
know, just you don't got tobe the front. Be says the guy
who bought a social media platform,So you know, like that's yeah,
I'm over it. Whatever. Hecan do what he wants. Yes,
he's earned it. He's done alot, so he can. He can

(01:07:10):
get away with all kinds of things. I'm sure, But whatever, why
do you guys have any more evyfocused topics you want to end on so
that it's not just depressing. II see even more cyber trucks around this
city. Than I've probably ever thoughtI would see period, And I don't

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know how I feel about it becausethey're just they're just there and it rained.
It rained today, I'm like,it's not gonna rust or something like.
I'm so I got this paranoia aboutit, you know, like just
in general I have. I'll giveyou even more paranoia with this video.
Oh oh, it doesn't rust thateasily. Come on, there's rust particles.

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That's not the same thing. It'sthe Now there's my little Tesla fanboy.
I've been looking for him. There, Harry Is. It's okay,
community, you still got him.I'm just trying to be fair, which
I know doesn't perform well for thealgorithm. It's better when you're a team
player and you just say only goodthings about one brand and only negative things

(01:08:21):
about other brands. But I justthink, like all companies and all people,
they're is good and bad. There'sa lot of bad with Tesla,
but there's a lot of good withTesla. And I say what you will
about the cyber truck. You alwayslook at it when you see it.
That is true. There's one Ifanything, it was a genius, not

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in utility, in functionality, butit was genius in marketing, which in
these days maybe that was the rightcall because they need as many people talking
about them as they can to tryto get people in the showrooms so that
they can move more inventory. ButI think the cyber truck will be a
fine product in a few years whenthey've ironed out the kinks and they get
the priced out. Obviously, foundationsfor sure sucks. Yes, I tried

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to talk to the guy in theshowroom when I was getting my car worked
one, I tried to talk tothe guy in the showroom out of getting
a Cyberbeast. I basically cost Teslafifty thousand dollars because he wanted to get
a Foundation Series Cyberbeast, and Italked him down to waiting for the dual
motor non foundation with tax credit,which is about eighty thousand, So they

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they missed out on a lot ofrevenue because of that talk. I think
I think it's doing perfectly flying rightnow, Drew, because it's among the
top five most registered evs in theUS. Isn't that weird? Yeah,
I think that says more about theEV market than it does the cyber truck.
I think that's an indication that theEV market itself is doing quite poorly.

(01:09:57):
What is well, The thing isa lot people are leasing vehicles these
days, especially with EV's where peopleare these companies are trying to get these
evs on the road and I havethere Does that not count? I don't
think lease counts as I'm not toosure, but like ninety of Mercedes and
Audi's evs are least which is insane. Wow, I thought that was still

(01:10:20):
counted, But maybe I'm wrong.I mean, if you register, if
it's under your name, yeah,right, like that you it the title
belongs to the dealership, but you'rethe one who's still registered for it.
No different than like who's whoever holdsthe lien holds a lean. That's a
financial thing. It may very wellbe that, you know, being registered,

(01:10:44):
it's still under you wherever you takeit in the country. I don't
know, but yeah, no,I think evs are kind of like low
key, kind of being a littledoing a little poorly right now. But
we are in the uh that's whythey brought back the real drive, that's
yeah. I don't think that's why. From what I understand, Hundai Motor

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Group is having like they're setting recordsin their sales right now. The issue
that I think I highlighted before isthat Tesla's on the decline in their sales
and they make up a large portionof the market, but the rest of
the market like Hunda and Kiya aredominating. They're they're seeing record sales right

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now. What they're eating, well, that's that's two different things. Record
sales just means more than they usedto sell. Yes, so that's why
I'm saying it's not necessarily declining.So they didn't sell that much. The
title it's a lot. Yeah,it's a lot harder for Tesla to grow.
When you're selling like half a milliona year, it's hard to be
on the top couple thousand. I'mtrying to highlighte that titles and article subtitles

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can be misleading and what they're conveying, especially with EV sales being down,
because in the case of many otherlike Seattle companies, sales are going up
for evs, but when you justlook at the whole system, you don't
look locally, you look globally,it's gonna pay a different picture. Yeah,
I think that it's like the marketshare number that everyone keeps liking to

(01:12:25):
use, but In my opinion,it's a stupid metric because the market share
is constantly growing as a whole,So to look at what individual percentages of
the market share are growing and shriekingis kind of silly because it's not like
there's a fixed EV market share.That's when it would make sense to look
at the individual brand sales. SoI'm guess my point is, I bet

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you the cyber truck outsold every electricHundai. But you could still say that
the Hyundai is breaking records or sellingmore than ever before. It's like,
well, that's they start it alot later, so it's a bit different.
But I'm not trying to poo pooHyundai, by the way. I'm

(01:13:06):
just saying there's Tesla's now a beautifulI own one. I like the Ionic,
I like the EV six. Iwas really excited when it was seen
they were testing the native Naxport ontheir vehicles. That got me pumped.

(01:13:27):
I was, but also I watchedthe what was it the out of spec
road trip to Vegas between the Mercedes, the Model Acts, the Rivian and
the Kia EV nine, and thesoftware on the EV nine was the worst
of the four. It was quitequite terrible, So maybe they could take
a page Ivw's book, get someRivian help with it, which is to

(01:13:50):
take a page out of Rivian's Iagree that onto it Unmetter Group had hundred
and one when it sold. Randyshut up? What sorry? Mike Group
had at least thirty five, fourhundred and one units sold in Q two,

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so much more than the cyber truckof being like eight to nine thousand,
No, sucke drew, I betyou didn't wish to tell me to
shut up? Now, he justput your nose in it. In the
month of May. What was theWhat was the I'd have to drig a
little bit further into if you areto okay, I can grab that I
was referring to the month of May, not Q two. But okay,
sure, fair enough, fair enough, Yes, like God, I've very

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different. You could. My pointis you could. You could double your
sales from eighty to one hundred andsixty and make a headline that says,
you know, Tesla has sold lessvehicles than they used to sell, whereas
we doubled our units, and you'dstill be like, nowhere near close.

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But context, which is all Ido. He's about to show you.
Oh wait, it's the moss E. It has been in previous years,
so I've got something that can compareto that as well. Uh Ford was
behind Hyundai with twenty three and fiftyseven units. GM was behind that with

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twenty one, nine hundred and thirty. So Hyundai was in second place.
Then yes, unless there's someone elseI'm thinking of. Oh yes, because
Tesla was the leader in sales,so it goes there's no debate on first
place. Let's we're talking. Butoh, I see a lot of those,

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but I can't find it right now. Maybe i'll report back later.
Wish they made a truck, uhposted, I've been in the Hyundai Santa
Cruz. That was a neat truck. It's a really too much gas.
Oh, it's Nissan and Mitsubishi collaborating. Not uh. I was thinking Kia

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was collaborating with Nissan, but it'sbecause Nissan is going to collaborate with Fisker.
Hmm, look how well that turnedout. I'm just glad I got
to drive one. AnyWho. Yes, cyber truck sucks ladies and gentlemen,

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and I love it, and HyundaiKia is doing great. I hate it.
I hate the white bezels, butthey got rid of that in the
new model year, so dated.That's off the Hundaid. Fix your software.
Your uh automatic route planning is trash. That should be addressed. But
the EV nine is great, great, great vehicles, sounds good. Thank

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you all for watching, Catch younext time. Bye bye,