Ep. 190 - The Best Polestar - Tailosive EV Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to Potatoes EV podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. We're
all finally back. It's been a world.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
It took a month.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
We've been here for five seconds, Randy that.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
I don't whatever. This is this angling? If you're watching
on YouTube, all of this, I don't like it?

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Is that better?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Welcome back to the Randy Vasquez EV podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
All right, by our audio listeners, Randy has become the
largest panel in the video.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
I have now become the destroyer of the world.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
He's also Oppenheimer.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Apparently we knew the world would not be the same.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Anyway, good evy talk everybody. Wow. So for anybody curious
about this, Drew went from just doing a sit down
with his family and you know, picking a brain and
there was so much good info in it. He's like, no,
it's too long now at this point. So there was

(01:20):
no EV podcast technically, but there was one technically. I
see what you mean.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Drew about the whole like not being blinded by knowledge
or being plagued with knowledge. There was an innocence about him.
I was thoroughly enjoying. I was like, this is so cool.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, I wish you both could meet him. It'd be
a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Is he not in your area or whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
No, he is, but you aren't. That's the bigger problem.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Eventually, it's inevitable.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
I'm waiting for you to take me down to see
Aptera Drew. I'm waiting for the invitation.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh, that would be fun. But and you wouldn't get
to meet cousin Matt.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Is he here right? Oh you're talking about Matt. I'm
thinking about the previous podcast that we also were not on,
or at least wasn't. It's been too mad, like.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
In the room with us right now.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Mm hmmm for suit all right.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
For.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Man, what do we there's so much like a bunch
of little things I want to talk about. Uh, it's
hard for me to pick one.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
So this can be a ketch up and Mike can
be mustard.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
That was terrible. That was that was discussing. Oh here
we go, quickie. Here's a quick news. My wife saw
for the first time on the Wild the very for
her the very first time. I think I've seen one before,
but she saw a Ford lightning.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Oh really, I'm surprised it took that long.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, especially like here but she was like all over
the place. Here she called me, and she goes, listen,
maybe you want to put this on your podcast. I
don't know, but I do not like that thing.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
I know this on the podcast.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I hate it. She goes the Ford Lightning is the
evy version of Android.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And I was like, I'm trying to figure out what
she means hardware hardware.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, she the last Aroy Funk she had was a
Galaxy S two. But what she meant was like the front.
She goes to the front, the fake grill, that all
that plastic. It looks so cheap. She's like, I don't
like it at all. I'm like, what about the I mean,
we have a front that She goes, no, it doesn't
look the same, like that that part of the grill

(03:43):
that's not really the grill just looks cheap. I was like,
oh okay. So she was like I don't like it.
I'm like, okay, what do you think about the Mustang.
She goes, oh, no, that the Machi looks nice. I
was like, yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Okay, we agree there. I still think the Maki is
like one of the better looking crossovers for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Evidently mock e is more popular in my irl circle
of people that I know, because I know now three
people within the last year who have bought or at
least or something to a degree having a Mockee now
and they're loving it. And I'm like, and they would

(04:23):
ask me like, hey, what do you like about the model?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Why?

Speaker 2 (04:25):
What what do you like about that? And you know,
they would see me.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
I would go to their house and say.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I would be honest. I'd be like, listen, it's it
has longevity. We know what the battery U health can
look like over time, and I trust Tesla battery cells.
I trust the build quality. I do not have quality
control issues. I went through the whole spiel and they're like, oh,
that's awesome, yeah, because we're thinking about it. And so
I'm like, yeah, man, hey, listen, do or don't use

(04:55):
my referral or don't I don't. I really don't care.
Just I'm glad you're going to EV's in general.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
And then like three months go by here nothing and
now we're living out here and then he just sent
us a photo of the Maki. You know what, yep,
I love it. It's replaced my Mini Cooper.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Wow. Quite a transition.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, I was like, I like this for multiple reasons,
but why did you ask me about Tesla? And they're like, well,
we weren't sure. Yeah, And I'm like, all right, I.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Mean as long as I took everything you said, and
then I saw what Elon tweeted.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
And I did nothing about it. I took everything you
said and I said, we're gonna throw it, throw that
all out the window. Years of knowledge for naught, So
gave me that imposter syndrome again.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
It's like, man, I suck, but.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Now they see they're happy with it. So all that
to say that, like, I I don't see myself having
a Maki, But if I ever were to explore other
vehicle options, like as in today right now that I
can get my hands on it's affordable enough, I'd be
upen minded to it. I guess affordable, but I don't know.

(06:13):
Maybe a Model three was just the way it should be.
I don't know. Anyway, that's my quick news update. There
you go. Wife hates Ford Lightning doesn't mind the Mochy.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Okay, in the same vein, I got to actually drive
some of my coworkers in my Model Why today when
we're going out to lunch to celebrate one of them
who's departing, going on to greener pastures and all that.
And so a couple of them rode with me to
a nearby restaurant, and a lot of them had not
been in Tesla's so it was very entertaining for myself

(06:44):
and for them when I gunned it safely down a
empty street, along with taking some turns a little bit harder,
but just showing that this thing has a lot of
sporty feel to it, even though it looks like a crossover.
And then was the oh, I activated full self driving,
and that was pretty entertaining to watch. Maybe I wasn't

(07:06):
watching them, but hearing them and their reactions to it
navigating around construction cones and everything else. It was nice
and refreshing to hear because I live with it daily,
but they don't, and a lot of them don't really
know too much about electric cars, so it was it
was a great day to day with the model.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
I awesome. That's nice to hear.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I guess the other thing that I haven't gotten to
mention since I've found the EV podcast in like three
weeks is I got to check out a new EV
that's coming to the market. Layer this year.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I really hope you weren't gonna do a guessing game
because I just showed its Fine, guess what it is.
Let's ask, let's ask, Randy. Do you know what that is?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
That's a pole Star?

Speaker 4 (07:53):
What?

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Don't mind the name on the top left.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I'm not wearing my glasses. I have no idea what
you're pointing at.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's not even the right, that's not even the answer.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
That's not a Postar.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
No, I'm saying it's a Polestar. What it'd be like
me showing you a picture of mikes car and you're
saying that's a tesla. I know what that is?

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
That is that the post Star for.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
It is the Polestar for wow, Yes, I've been impressed.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
I just put my eyes on Actually here I got
a little video for it.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
But hey, you don't know what I'm about, Drew. I
you don't froll.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I've been looking at postars religiously, you know, Postar Vovo,
same different.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
So this one I think is going to be Polestar's
bread and butter for a very very long time. Uh.
The way that I didn't jot down the notes because
I got to talk with the general manager at this
location that gus hah. It's the same location that you
and I got to go to Drew to check out
the Polestar three, which was also there. It still was

(08:58):
spot so they had the four at the front of
the store, the three in the middle of the store,
and then the two in the back of the store.
They had refreshments and all that. I got invited to
this event, by the way, So it was.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
A invites to these things. I swear you just for
them to me. You're like, hey, I got invited. I'm like,
how did you?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
I actually might miss another Polestar event that's coming up
on Friday. Unfortunately, the Polestar six is going to be
here in the Bay. So that's gonna be really cool.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Where we have to go.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Now he cares, I'll send you a link later. But
the it's gonna be going race okay. It's the race
edition version of the Polestar six that is supposed to
be tuned up to be very sporty. I don't know
the specs on it.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
But almost as fast as uh Ready's.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
The issue is it's very far north. It's like in
the Napa area, and so it's a bit of a
draw for me since I'm more located in the Southern
Bay Area location.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
But for those who don't know what the Pollstar six
looks like.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So that's the O two concept that has a drone
that flies out of it, in which I don't know
if that's still happening. I know that Bentley is actually
supposed to have a drone that's flying out of their car,
possibly in the future due to a patent.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
But I'm in favor of droning all the things instead
of AI all the things. There's a drone now.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Anyways, So I got to check out the Polestar for
I got invited out to this launch event, and what
was really pleasant for me is just how smooth the
interface was. In which I'm showing off on the video
portion of the podcast right now.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
That Apple Music that I just saw, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I believe, so I'd have to look like Apple Music.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
That looks really clean, Like the split screen thing.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
It's so clean.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
It looked like if you missed it, you can change
whatever partition it is for the maps and the media
control roles.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Dude, wait wait, wait for it. Yeah, that looks like
optical illusion. It looks like a cube that's shifting sides.
Mm hmm, that's how I see.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
But yeah, you can full size the map, and so
for I guess to describe a little bit more of
what we're looking at. The Pollstar four does not have
a vertical display like the three and two. It's a
horizontal display, thank god. And uh yeah right, and it's
a decent size. I would say it's maybe equal or
a little bit smaller than the Model three and Model

(11:31):
Y screen size.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
But does it have car play?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Yes, it has car play, and it's even got a
couple of places to plug in your phone and or
I think one point exta at least charge it. What
they're really touting with this vehicles that there's cameras all
over it and which what was really interesting to me
is that the general manager kept on saying it's full
self driving capable, and so I was wondering, are they

(11:55):
partnering with Tesla, and so I talked with him about
He said, no, no, no, no, that's just what people know
as a self driving system is full self driving.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
So I.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
Agree. So I was a little bit concerned and confused
with it, but knowing that it's their own package, and he,
of course, being the salesman, was touting that it's ready
to go.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Laws and responsibility on the company.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
For Yeah, yeah, I've heard that one.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
It's like, that's one part of Tesla you should not
copy right other things to seats.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
The back seats are motorized, and then the middle arm
rest also can come down and deploy cup holders out
the front of it, and then also has a little
bit of storage underneath. What do you mean by the
back seats are motorized? So there is a button on
the side and either the two people on the right

(12:54):
or I guess middle and right, or the one person
on the left can choose whether you're more upright or
leaning back a little bit. Think like the model Why
where you can change the angle of the seat with
the latch over your.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Shoulder, except this one's more customizable.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I'm guessing yes, because it's on a motor and all
that you can change whichever angle that you want. That's
just that precise for whatever you want. But the inside
felt very nice. It wasn't too crazy, I guess it wasn't.
Wasn't looking out the back of the car, and there
isn't a back glass windscreen or anything like that. Because

(13:34):
this is the one that has the body panel on
the back.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
What the hell is even there? Why is it so small?

Speaker 3 (13:41):
So seeing the fronk, it is kind of small. I
think trunks and everything else is hurting. And they also
have decent size hatch, but I feel like it could
have been a little.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Bit ventilated seats. Mike, yes or no, I'd.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Have to look again. But I the back, No, in
the front, Yes, I'm talking about the front. I will
in the back, I believe.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yes, they can cook back there. That's screw.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
So it was a pretty comprehensive package. It's got the
mood lighting. U. The coloring was great the like you
noted earlier, the seat belts were very or stark compared
to the rest of the vehicle because it's a yellowish
uh color while everything else is blacks and grays. But

(14:40):
I like the accent.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Otherwise, it felt like a really great product that Uh,
what's really weird is looking at all of them in
a line and comparing the height of them to me.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
This is a conversation that we had after yet wonderful
photos of me just being like I am standing next
to the car.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'm going to give you.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Look like some high school students like.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
You look like Peter Parker from Spider Man three.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
I'm gonna run some dirty to be fair. This is
right after work. I had a busy day that day.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I could tell that.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
New profile pic all the life dream, but I don't
have social media anymore, really, so we need to we.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
Need to get you back on the podcast more often.
This isn't good.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
It's like all this stuff, but I have no one
to share it with.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Base So the Pollstar four, as you could tell in
these photos, is a little bit taller than the Polestar
two compared to my shoulder height, but a little bit
shorter than the Pollstar three. And after talking with the
general manager there, it seems like this is what's going
to replace the Polestar two because they've got a lot
of uh manufacturing maybe not issues, but barriers that they're

(15:58):
facing the Polestar two, and they kind I know how
to retire the product at this point. And so it
seems like pull Star four is going to take the
place of the Polestar three, and they're going to be
like Volvo in the way of we only have crossovers.
But this thing is short enough to where it doesn't
really feel like a crossover suv. It feels more like
a sedan when you're in it and when you're walking

(16:19):
around it, so it gives more of that illusion that, yeah,
we're calling a crossover, but it's bigger than a sedan.
So it's somehow in between that, or it's in that
gray area of what defines a sedan and what defines
a crossover. I'm gonna just hammer that five more times.
But otherwise it's a very beautiful car. If there was

(16:43):
one Polestar I had to get that is coming on
the market in the next couple of years, it would
probably be this one.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
M beautiful. Yeah I didn't that's interesting. I didn't hear
them mention that they wanted to kind of phase out
the Pollstar two. But that explains the lineup. I think
cleans it up a little bit better. Is if you
don't look at the numbers as necessarily new models, Like,
don't look at it as Pollstar one is the roadster,

(17:13):
Pullstar two is the three, but instead look at it
as like sequels or release timelines. So the Pollstar one
came out first, they don't make that anymore. Then they
released the poll Star two. Now in the future they
may not make that anymore to replace it with the
it's a generational thing four, and then the three is

(17:36):
coming out now four comes out a little bit later,
but unlike the three, I would say, the prices are
a lot closer to being reasonable, right.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
I think this is something that is a lot more
stomachable than a lot of other crossovers that are coming
out on the market that are touting luxury but have
luxury pricing of around seventy thousand dollars plus, where this
thing starts around fifty six. That's for I think the
it's a long range, a long range motor reilroad drive,

(18:05):
and it has amazing colors. By the way, the gold
is probably the best color in that whole lineup in
my opinion.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Oh wow, I am.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
A sucker for gold on vehicles. Not because I'm like.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
The gold that's on the Elites for the Covenant, that's that.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I feel like that's a little bit more yellow compared
to this small metallic silverish hue of gold. So this
is button Yeah, So is this what.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Is this a luxury vehicle?

Speaker 3 (18:37):
It touts luxury, but the price is something that it depends.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
On your definition.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I'd say, right, what are you looking for Like if
are you looking for massaging seats and all that, it
doesn't got it?

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Are you looking for ventilated seats?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah, I have to have ventilated seats.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I think thirty Tesla that has ventilated seats is a
little vehicle.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
But look at this NAPA upgrade includes ventilation, massage and
front headress speakers.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Well there you go. So it has massage and headress speakers,
so you can. Actually it is tipping into more of
a luxury type vehicle, but you don't have to start
at a price that's audacious.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
In my opinion, I'm upset you got me onto this.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now it's a great vehicle. I was. So we sat
in the Pollstar two and three together Drew when you
visited I think last and sitting in them, I wasn't
really sold on either of them. I wasn't really too
excited about it, but the Polestar six was still pretty
much the golden tier of Polestar that I was waiting for.
This changed my mind. This made me think, Okay, Polestar

(19:45):
has something that is going to grasp audiences and it's
really going to be something that puts them on the market.
Now I remember, so for the other two. This is
another thing that the general manager was discussing is that
the Pollstar one was based off of a Volvo S seventy,
which is a sedan that Volva made. And then the

(20:09):
platform that the Polestar two is on is also the
same platform that the XC forty, their compact crossover is on.
And this is something that you and I were trying
to figure out, Drew when we checked out the Polestar two,
because it has that drive train tunnel or that transmission
tunnel or whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, and we're.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Like, why is this in here? It's an EV but
even yeah, we could figure out what was I can't
tell it wearing the same platform and a lot of
pieces as the Polestar or sorry, the Volvo XC forty
from Star three. Though it was a more bespoke design
from Polestar. It was a stakeholder in that design was

(20:49):
Volvo because they wanted to share that platform for the
EX ninety that's coming out also later this year. They're
big s twov and so they're very excited about the
Pollstar four because no one is sharing this chassis design
anything else. It's all theirs. They can do whatever they want.
No one's telling them what they can and cannot do

(21:10):
besides their own people for manufacturing or design reasons. So
this is something that they're happy and excited about. And
it's definitely a bigger change compared to what they've got
in the three and the two. And that's probably why
I fell a little bit more in love with them
and the brand, not just because I got a free
hat out of it, which I'm wearing.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Oh what, Oh I would I would love them for
that forever.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, boy, give it to me, what the hell give
it to me?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
So otherwise, I think this is.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Going to make a fine addition to my collection.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, since people are loving the crossover market, I think
this is going to be something that people are going
to love because it's got space. It doesn't have a
back glass, but I think people can get used to
that with the camera system that they've got. They've got
too many cameras on this thing, where I don't think
it's gonna be an issue for blind spots for both
sensing things around them. And they've got chy and.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I'm so ready for no rear. I mean on most
Tesla's the rear back glass is so hard to see
out of anyway.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
The Model three probably has the most visibility out of
all the ones I've driven. The cyber truck is basically
none when the vault is closed, and then in the
Model Why, it's a very narrow window, and then the
Model S it's pretty narrow as well. Model X has
a spoiler going through it. So yeah, I'm all in
favor of bring on the bring on the cameras for
the rear. But yeah, they I think to kind of

(22:46):
address somewhat of Randy's question there. I don't think it's
a direct competitor with the Model Y just because of
the pricing.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, that's something that I asked as well.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Is watch above, Why what is this with.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
And what they I think they're punching a little bit
high with this statement because both sales associates said this.
Both one ses I guess one sales association and the
other one was the manager. Is this They say that
this is competing against the Macon, the Porsche MACN. Their
target is Porsche with this vehicle.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Okay, now with that price tag.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
The price tag is much lower, but they do offer
what does the Macon cause I'd have to look at
it again. It's probably around the seventy thousand.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
This is pretty right. This is pretty close. I mean,
it's it may be lower, but I'm guessing it's not
that much lower. But I'm a little surprised it's not
more efficient.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
If starts at sixty two nine hundred.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Never mind, that's almost exactly what they're all wheel drive
sixty nine. But I'm I'm a little surprised that. Well,
one thing, I like, I don't exactly know if this
is gross or net, but it the Polestars put the
battery pack capacity right at the bottom, so I'm able

(24:05):
to check it really quick. I can just I didn't
even have to go to textbacs. I'm like, okay, it's
one hundred kilo hour pack and they're saying up to
three hundred miles of range, and I'm like, really.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
One hundred and eleven. That's one hundred and eleven KILLO
what hour? I believe I.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
Thought that was the three.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Maybe I'm reading the wrong thing.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Because I went right here see on the site.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Oh maybe, so I do have a photo of it somewhere.
I don't have it on my screen right now, but
I did take a photo slash video of Oh well, there's.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Is that actually on the car is that just on
the website.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
It's on the car. I've got it right here, so tacky. No,
it's beautiful, No it's not.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Don't lie.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Would you rather have the battery pack capacity or a
logo of three wolves?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
No? Neither, clean it out, neither.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
That's that's I don't want to talking about.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
I don't want text on my car.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Tesla's ship with text on the back of their cars now,
both in the middle and on the bottom right, if
you get a specific trim.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
That's why I don't have this. I don't have any
new ones.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
You both have text on your cars except yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
But I don't like it. But it doesn't tell you
like it doesn't give me. It does give you like
spec stuff. It just tells you how many motors? Is
that not a figuration, that's not a configuration, that's a TEXTPEC.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
For comparison, this is all I.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Can't see it. Oh, I see is the text right.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Now comparing this to probably electric Porsche Macon that starts
at around seventy eight eight hundred. So this is definitely
coming in at a steal. If you're wanting a base
version of the Pollstar four.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, most people will not want or I will not
get this car as their first EV. Most people, this
is not a This doesn't help the acceleration of the
transition to EVS. It's cool, but not this. You need

(26:19):
that that Mustang Chevy Boat Model three. You need something
as low as possible to help get people. But that
that's that needs to be their gateway vehicle to then
maybe eventually get a Polestar or something obnoxious with pricing range.
But for a transition, the polestar right now does not

(26:41):
sell or convince a skeptic about like it's so expensive,
and then this and then that. There's this constant back
and forth with why should I get an EV right
now when there's so much more expensive? You wouldn't show
them a Polestar, you wouldn't You would show them, well,
I would me personally, I would show them use model
three or after here in Colorado. I mean, we have

(27:02):
the best tax incentives throughout the whole country. I would
be like, hey, here's what it is, post taxing centers
and rebates and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Step moved to Colorado, step two.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
But you know what really bite you in the butt.
Registration is very expensive.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Out of here. But anyway, they sold ten thousand Polestar
two this last year, Randy ten thousand, which is low,
but it is low. That was their first vehicle.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Mike, it's introding it and you're right there, pull pull
up Polestar. Compared to do do mock three.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Since we weread talked about mock three, compare the cells
of the two.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
When I say mock three three, sorry.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
My car look?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Oh yeah, it's a very good it's a very good
looking car. I think that's a very sexy car.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
I didn't realize they had massaging seats in the four.
I thought that was a three feet All.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
Of a sudden, I I want to split a little,
you know, can I can I sell like a fraction
of my home and use that to buy a massaged chair,
Pollstar four or.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Something, you know?

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Like to answer you, Randy, the pul the Ford Mochy. Yeah,
sold forty thousand, seven hundred and seventy one units in
twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
And the price difference is what twenty five thousand different? Right?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Well, there's a lot of there's a lot of trim difference.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
I know.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
So let's just let's get the cheapest of both. Forty
two thousand, forty two different, forty two thousand different.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Okay, well, forty two thousand dollars is the starting price.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Okay, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
So it's different.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
So maybe maybe the bolt, but the boat didn't sell that.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Well, why are you so, I guess, why are you
trying to put Polestar in a lower echelon price bracket
when that's not what the no.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
What what I'm trying to do is is make the
present the statement that like, it's not.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
This is a this is a toy. No, this is
a car, Randy, Yeah, it's boys with toys. This is
not this doesn't help my my headspace of being that
transitioning to evs as a as a society.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
This vehicle does not move the goalpost at all.

Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well, it's just it's the Blazer effect. It's just another I.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Hate when you guys say that. That rubs me. So
I I don't like hearing that.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
That's what people because is kind of an offshoot, Like
why not let the Volvo EX thirty be there and
they're both No, it's like if you're looking for the
the one that's meant to convince like budget minded people
to switch to an EV, let's also do that pole
Star is trying to be a bit more of a

(29:56):
premium band.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Brand, but like the Lucid or the Model S.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, the Polestar was never meant to be the consumer
friendly brand. When you got the Polestar brand on the Volvo,
that was the higher echelon tier.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's the Lexus to the Toyota. I understand, it's the
Lincoln to the Ford. I I hear what you're saying.
My my, I guess my thing is that like to
answer to go back to what you were just saying, Drew, Uh,
maybe with the Vulvan, but that car isn't out yet, and.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
It is.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
The well I'm talking about here. I see the the
the Analyx. You don't have many euro listeners. I'm joking, guys,
I'm joking, don't.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
I haven't seen so.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
What what I'm looking for is what is the Okay,
let me post it like this, what's the best gateway
vehicle to get people into this whole world of evs.
If if the Honda Civic is the cheap equivalent for
an ice vehicle, what's what's the EV's Honda Civic? And

(31:13):
I'm just not talking about price, Like what what is
something that that that can actually move numbers. Is it
as simple as just saying it's a tesla like get
a get a Model three or something?

Speaker 1 (31:23):
They used Model three is basically yea?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Or is it because they were they were just really
more or less first to market? Like why would why
did that work out? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (31:35):
You know they want to buy the Leaf?

Speaker 1 (31:37):
No, DC fast charging not a very good battery management system,
wasn't aping as the battery degraded. They stayed with Chathamo
for way too long. So as far as like what
moves the needle, I don't think the Leaf moved it
much because not a lot of people wanted it, whereas
at least you could say with a Model three it's
pretty consumer friendly with NAX.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Was the Model three the the tipping point or was
it a model less? Like in that sense, if we're
looking at the timeline.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
There's many tipping points. I would say you.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
Can see the model why, you know, look at the
stock price after model why everyone would say that's when
it was the tipping point. At least that's when they
took them.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Seriously, Yeah, no, I don't think this is like one
car changes everybody's minds but I do think that as
far as.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
He's your poster child, right, like, who's who's the car
that you put out there to represent the whole community
of of the EV transition. If we had to go
make our case to anyone and everyone, and maybe maybe
it's a tall order and it's hard to fulfill that
because some people are like, I'm never, I'm never not
gonna have a truck, and so maybe for them it's

(32:47):
like I don't care what you show me because I
need and want a truck. But I would say the
four lighting. It wouldn't be the optimal one. But right now,
cyber truck wouldn't be either. It's too expensive. So like,
how do you make make the case? We have to
put one car up to be like, this is our
our our mascot, go do the thing. You know, as

(33:08):
I'm saying it to myself, I hear I'm saying model three.
I think I would say model three, and everything else
is kind of not that it's distracting. If anything, I
like that there's more cars con be out because look
at all these transitioned vehicles or new startups or whatever
the case may be. Look at look how vibrant and saturated.
This this sector can become and is become me. But

(33:32):
people always push back with the pricing or the range
or the whatever, and like there's gotta be there's gotta
be h a you know, uh an ace an ace
in the hand. Is that the term a trump card
like this gotta be one boom. Everything that you're saying
is not working. This solves it.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well. Something that impresses me with the Polestar for at least,
is that it's coming in four thousand dollars more than
what the Polestar two costs today, and yet it's offering
so much more in terms of options and capability. And
yet is it's going to be the future for at
least their company. It's still coming at a price that

(34:12):
people are already paying for something that is a sedan,
which isn't selling well in the market. So for something
that is a crossover that people are buying over and
over again, that's what Americans are buying, That's what we love,
that's what we care about. No one cares about sedans anymore, Mike.
And so if you touch up your fingernails, no I didn't,
they're still the same nice try. I love that you

(34:34):
keep on bringing this up.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
They're so distracting their bright no more.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Listen to last week's tech podcast on Tech.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
We'll bring it up on tech.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
You brought it up on EV.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
So anyway, he's got the Lucid sapphire fingernails.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
My point is this company's trying to carve their lane
in this EV transition, or at least in this EV market.
I think this is a pretty good product to carve
their way because Dan, we've already seen from Lucid that's
a luxury EV isn't selling well and it's are a
really high price. And so Polestar probably saw that with

(35:09):
the Polestar two. And they're seeing all these crossover SUVs
being bought out by the masses from Ford, Tesla, GM, everyone,
and so they're looking at this piece of the pie
and they want a slice. And so they're offering something
that is very competitive in price and features.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So they're competing with Lucid.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
No, Lucid's not really in that segment.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yet, non that price bracket nor that well. The next
vehicle that they're coming out with is a big suv
and this is a whole lot smaller from what I
can tell from seeing both of them, in person. Who
So it might be hard to understand, but at least
they have to make something, and they're not going to

(35:53):
make something that no one's buying right now.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
No, I get that. I would like to see a
nice hatchback, like a like, ah, not the way it's
designed on the model why, but like a like an
actual flat hatchback. I think I would like to see
more of those in existence, which I think is a
year a europe thing. I remember. I think I saw

(36:17):
a lot of hatchbacks in Europe.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
I saying, well, I'm not trying to I'm thinking, like,
what the what the.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
What was that Volkswagen car that was It was a hatchback.
I remember being a hatchback. My friend had a golf.
I think it was the golf, the eGolf. Like, I
think I would like to see more hatchbacks, Like if
you're not going to have a big old s UV
or suv kin, you should have I mean, yeah, I'm

(36:55):
thinking something smaller. I'm thinking something like like like a
pretty smaller yeah, yeah, I guess, but like I think
many Cooper hatchback like that.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
This is a one hundred and sixty six inches long.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Give me the Tello version.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Of the hatchback that not everybody can be as small
as Tello.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
As small as you know, aspire to be as tiny
as Tello eventually may be, you know, but I guess what, Like,
I think that's a cool market space. We see enough
Suv or the Blazer effect. How cool would it be? Yeah,
that's pretty hatchy.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
How how cool they got their charge ports in the
right place.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
But that's all that matters. I would like to see
more hatchbacks that I feel like that can help, like, uh,
move a lot of people over to evs as well.
I know, we got the Suv effect and we got
at least one big name truck out there, and then uh,
you know, man Sedan's Galora everywhere, but a nice hatchback.

(37:59):
I guess, I guess I'm talking about this.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
I didn't think about it like that's thinking more like
the e goofer.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
You guys had like a whole podcast without me about
the e X thirty. I'm surprised I'm reminding you about it.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Now because my my headspace wasn't in Volvo. I was
just thinking, like, what would be a cool.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
It's the same gear shifter in the poll Star four.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Why Yeah, why hasn't Honda put out like an ev
uh civic.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
They put out the prologue in which that thing is
just a reskinned version of the Blazer.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, so I like, I feel like Conda's leaving a
lot of money on the table by not doing an
EV civic.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Maybe right now you can start there. I think that
that's that's where you work your way to as you
scale up, and as you have more and more supply
chains in place, and as you're ramping up cells, and
once you can get margins lower, that's when you can
start making the corollas in the civics. But I don't
think you can just start with the cheapest possible model.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
But the legacy auto has the money.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
They have them, you know, they may have the money.
But then you look at the price for the new
Dodge charger and the thing costs like around sixty or
seventy thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, it's a Dodge charger. Like, who's anyway?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I look at the bolt. I think that's kind of
an example of a legacy auto maker doing exactly what
you're describing. Let's make a hatchback and let's make it
super affordable. And cheap, and you know, obviously it wasn't
profitable and they couldn't make it charge all that fast,
so it just wasn't a great compelling option. Didn't outsell
the Model three even though it costs much less. So

(39:50):
I think that's a that's a good indication that you
kind of have to start on a more premium segment
to get there.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I guess I'm looking for my version of an iPhone
Mini Pro. I just want that for the EV space.
That's what I'm looking for.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, I hear you. That would be nice.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
So Tella, when when am I getting my Mini Pro?
You know, I think I think Teyla might have the
capabilities of do that. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
M m oh, I get it, wink.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
I see all the I see the duct tape behind
you on your white board. I get it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Can't talk about it, no, I'm ready. I I feel
like the marketing guy should get go first soon because
I have to make videos about it. What is why
does the engineering team need those things? What are they
gonna do? They're not going to bring in orders? Come on,
but the marketing guy boom, yeah, I gotta sell people

(40:48):
on this thing. What is that?

Speaker 2 (40:51):
What the.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Hell is even there well to point out what you're
looking for, something that's cheap and a little bit small,
hatchy and sporty. This is what BMW is coming up
with their three series vision, And first of all, it's
a concept. Second of all, it's BMW so disgusting.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
That disgusting.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
They got the weird beaver thing going on the I
X and all that. So who knows that the three
series is going to look like eventually.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
But they've got the e V three in the works.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, from Kia.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Is that the I was like that that looks.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Like the V three is very similar to the E
X thirty in terms.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Of size, So it's a smaller EV big.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Shape from the side angle, yeah, or the three quarters
view in the back. The lighting is different, of course
because different brands and different design language, but.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's kind of more similar to an EV nine in
my opinion. But yeah, shorter, they.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Cut off a row.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
M So my wife told me this past week, I'm
passing because something past us. She goes, I'm gonna say something,
don't judge me. I'm like, oh, here we go, and
she's like, because it just drove right by us. She goes, yo,
I kind of mess with the ID four looks kind
of nice. I was like, no, no, this is nice.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I enjoyed it when I drove.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
It, and and and you can win races to the
top of Pike speak.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
That's not the No, it's totally different. Remember we debunked
that it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Well, it's still in four, don't matter.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
What it was not an ID four. That was the
most custom version of.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
All right, Hey, I mean that's that's aftermarket stuff. Back
the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
It's like you're taking a V eight to have a
Mustang and putting it into something that looks like a skeleton.
It's like, oh yeah, you know, it goes like a
hundred ninety miles.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Now to America. You could do what you want with
your vehicles. It's fine, but that wasn't still. I bet
if you ran the vin on that actual build it
would come up. Iight four.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I should check back in with my old fourth grade
teacher who had the IDY four. You should see how
he's liking it after all these years. It's been like
four years since we did that video.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Why she get like the buzz the bus?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I love the buzz so much. I love that the
center console is removable. You can just pull it out.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah, that's kind of cool. That is kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
It's pretty sweet. I like the sliding doors. Sliding doors
are overheted.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Overhete it.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Well, when they cover up the I know what I said.
Charging port, Nope, kind of becomes an issue. Oh cooling, Well,
I think.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
It just mocked you.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
You plug it in first and then you open the
door and damage the I'm in the front, I'm driving
the thing. Yeah, I don't open the sliding door.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
When you're plugging in, and then you go to grab
something inside and the sliding door slams into the charging plug.
I haven't seen it slam What do you mean by slam?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Like, I haven't seen someone plug it in, charging it
and then open the door and have the.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
I saw this in person at the car show and
San Jose or Santa Clair or whatever. And then also
there's other photos and videos of Oh the door covers
the charging port, so you.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Just different door. There's the door covering the charge port.
I haven't seen the door like slam into the cable
plugged into it.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Well, of course, if it's if it's a manual door,
not motorized door. Some adult or kid is going to
open it it full force, sin it's gonna slide right
into the plug. Even still, it's a motor trying to
open into a charging handle.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
I'm saying I think that it stops before it would
actually hit it, But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
We'll have to Is this why we haven't been together
on an EV podcast for about a month. I don't
like this.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
It's got a flat back.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Maybe they fixed it finally, thank you look at that. Okay,
I'll give it its dues. That all right? Sliding We're
not that smart.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
It's not like knowing that Volkswagen was aware that that
was a real thing. I'm sure it's a possibility to say.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Engineering oversights happened. Drew.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
They do, but then they are talked about in addressed
if the company's decent, and I think Volkswagen, given their
paying Rivian for their zone architecture, knows a few good ideas.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Yeah. Also with you know, public charging stations, they probably
have some good ideas with those, right Iona, No, I'm
talking about Electrify America.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
That was a settlement.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
V W.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
They were forced to do that.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Still VW.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
M Oh, well, you'll probably have the best chance of
Electrified America working with a Volkswagen vehicle.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Really, I feel it was. There wasn't there a few
news stories back in the day where the Mustang Mokey
was having a better time connecting to Electrify America rather
than the ID four at least navigating two and uh
the vehicle to charging system language it was.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
It wouldn't surprise me. But I think that they've improved
on it, Like I don't think Volkswagen's backing out on
eb's like Toyota kind of is. But they seem invested,
but have have the occasional skill issue.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
This is what's supposed to be in the Bay Area.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Ah, that looks clean.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Beautiful machine.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Dang anyways, whoa, what is the angle displays?

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Like?

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Whoa, it's really slanted over. Man. They're very proud of
that central button to play paused button.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
They like it.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
They put that everywhere. I don't like it. That's where
my drinks go. I don't need controls down there.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, Well, how is your carbon drew It seems like
you were going through a very rocky situation for like
two months pretty much with the thing. Has anything else
happened to it or have you been mostly on solid
ground with it with a lot of your travels.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
The warranty expired.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Congrats club.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
So random. I don't know why. Just one day I
woke up and it said you've passed fifty thousand miles
and I was like what what? Yeah, very weird, But
I turned off FSD. I don't even use autopilot, and
it's great. I love it. I just used cruise control now.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
And same I did the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Efficiency is decent, even in the heat, even with the
winter tires. But it's not as big as a range
hit as I thought it was going to be. But yeah,
every time I get in it, I keep going, you know,
this is really kind of all I need. This is
kind of perfect. If I were to Heaven forbid get

(48:54):
in some kind of accident and it was totaled, i'd
replace it with a Model three. I don't think there's
any thing else that would fit my use case better
at this point other than an app Terra. But we're
waiting on that.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Urts hello.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Mm hmm. As far as like road tripping and commuting,
I want the most efficient thing possible, and right now
that would either be it would be a close call,
not really a close call. If we're just purely saying efficiency,
that's a pretty close competition between the cheapest Model three,

(49:32):
which is the trim. I always wanted the long range,
real real Drive and the Lucid Air Pure, but that
one's so stink and expensive that I couldn't afford it.
But that would probably push me to the Model three.
It's got nacs, which I care about. I can access
the superchargers, and I've test driven one. It was awesome.
Lucids are really cool. They're just out of my price range.

(49:55):
So I've just come to really appreciate sedans after car
camping with it and driving so much with it, It's like, dang,
this is uh, this is the car for me. But
I'm I'm not as into the whole. I need a hatchback,
I need more storage space because genuinely, we've not really
run into a situation that I can imagine where it

(50:15):
was like, oh I wish my car had more space
in the back.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
It's just you haven't.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
It's a nice situation. Yet it's been over. It's been
two years, so I'm still waiting. I don't know how
many years after.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
It was over four years for me, and so I
realized I needed a bigger space than a three just
to load up you know, my kids, everything. I was like,
oh that's not enough.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, maybe my opinion will change if I have a child,
but at that at this point, it's not happening.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
So in this don't have a child in this economy.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Oh no, having the economy was so much better two
years ago.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
It's it's the meme is like threstle just in this economy.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah no, I honestly, I think the only thing that
would suit me better at this point would be an Apterra.
Like eighty to ninety percent of my driving would be
in that, Which is why it's funny that we still
hypothesize all of these edge cases. What if I want
to haul around this, or what if I want to
haul around that? What if I need more space or
more range? And it's like eighty ninety percent of my
driving is like me and one other person driving to

(51:25):
a friend's house, driving to a family member's house, picking
someone up from the airport. And it's like we talk
about all of these edue cases, and yet a two
seater autocycle could really cover the vast majority of my driving,
and it would do it with far less energy with
the solar charging. So I'm pestering Chris McCammon all the time.
He's probably sick of me. I'm just like, so, what's

(51:46):
happening now? What's going on? I'm abusing my power? Have
we talked wing?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I don't think we've talked on the podcast about Aptera's
recent change, at least with their drive train, right.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
I guess Randy and I talked more about the price.
I don't think we talked much about the powertrain, but
did I never got to hear Mike's thoughts on the
switch to the onboard motor.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
So if I'm understanding this update correctly, is that the
motor is now inside the vehicle, no longer outside the vehicle,
and they're going to have some type of Okay, if
you have a picture, that'd be helpful as well.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
So you're you couldn't have talked to a better person
about this, because not to brag or anything, but I've
known about this change for quite some time.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Okay, brag about it.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Brag exactly. I did a video on it. I'm trying
to find where I put the v roll. They were
aware that the a la Fe hub motors were not
going to be ready for about a year, and they
had decided on the best They had a Plan B
from the beginning. If you recall the original yeah, that's

(53:08):
not so fry, the original APTERA two E that they
were gonna make in the early two thousands. This was
a hybrid, by the way, but you can tell by
the overall shape it's not really that different. It's still
a three wheeled autocycle. I mean, they changed the window
design a little bit. They've tweaked it to make it

(53:29):
better with the solar version. But obviously these prototypes that
drove around and functioned did not have hub motors clearly,
so from the beginning they've they've known it's possible to
do drive shafts and have an onboard motor. This was
not just a mock up. You know, these things drove
around and function But yeah, they they knew for a

(53:54):
while that the a Lafe motors weren't going to be
ready in time, so they switched a Plan B, which
was to use an off the shelf, already existing electric
vehicle motor that's already in a million different evs on
the road today. M h. It's affordable, it's actually lighter

(54:15):
than the hubmotors were going to be and it results
in less unsprung weight. So actually, of all the things
going on with the Aptura, as far as I was concerned,
the hub motors were the most sketchy in my opinion.
I'd talked to several people about them, about the vehicle
and using the hub motors, and that was a lot

(54:37):
of pushback in the community. There wasn't as much logistics
arguments when it came to Okay, we get it. You
know a vehicle that is like a tear drop on wheels,
this is probably going to be pretty aerodynamic. You know,
you can you can throw it in simulations, you can
throw it in air shaper and be like, yeah, the
coefficient of drag is kind of hard to argue with.
This is this is pretty aero friendly. Same thing with

(54:57):
the kind of the solar cells on it is like, yeah,
you can put out seven hundred watts of solar and
you can see how many kilod hours that brings in.
But a lot of pushback in the community was like,
there's not really a ton of vehicles on the road
with hub motors. It's not a very common thing. A
LAFE is a very young startup company as well, they
don't have a ton of motors out on the market

(55:19):
as is, so there's not a ton of data to
suggest what goes on when you put a motor on
you know, the unsprung part of the vehicle, meaning it's
not protected by suspension, So every pothole you're shaking that
motor a lot harder and a lot more than you
would if it was on board. So like Rivian Mic
for example, who has an Amtara on order, it was like, yeah,

(55:39):
that the hub motors are a little weird to me
because if you lose power in one, now the whole
thing has to shut up because you can't you can't
really drive it with just the right wheel, you know,
it would be sketchy, it would be weird. And with
the hub motor design, each wheel would have to have
its own inverter, and you also have to run high

(56:02):
voltage wiring bless you to each wheel. And the whole
fiasco they had with that CNBC interview where they were
having the motors overheat when they went uphill. That was
purely because they didn't feel like hooking up the coolant lines. Obviously,
once the coolant lines are hooked up, it can drive

(56:24):
uphill all day, no problem. But because there's so many
coolant lines to run, because there's three separate motors, they
didn't have them hooked up for that particular day, which
of course was a mistake. It made them look really bad,
so they were like, don't do that again. That was
a bad idea. So the prototype, the Gamma prototype that
you sat in and the one that I drove that

(56:46):
did have hub motors, but like you could straight up
see the high voltage wiring. It was like someone could
basically walk by one in a parking lot and if
they really wanted to, could kind of cut out them
or whatever. So personally, I was a little worried about
the hub motors anyway. So that's why I was super

(57:08):
thankful and super grateful that they announced they had switched
over to the onboard motor. I gotta find the renders,
they tweeted them out.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
If you go to their I found a from their
video where the motor is located in which.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
I think, I don't think that's their vehicle, though.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
Well, it's in some other vehicle, but it's probably gonna
be the same location in the APTA. I think my
concern is, well, I guess having a drive a drive
shaft outside the vehicle isn't really a new thing because
it's in trucks. You see them underneath them going the
length of the vehicle, yes, rather than the width of
the vehicle. But the idea that there's now a drive

(57:49):
shaft coming out from the vehicle through an exposed port.
Hopefully that they've got some weatherproofing or at least some
crafty design body work to avoid having stuff go into
the vehicle. Along with that it's an exposed drive shaft.
Then going to a wheel that is bouncing up and
down a lot more. I guess still nothing any car,

(58:13):
nothing new for any car. Well, it's protected in terms
of for any regular car because it's inside the wheel
well and or more inside the vehicle. I guess that's
something I just have to look into more. But the
idea that if you get into a crash now you
have to replace the whole entire hub wheel system and

(58:37):
the struts and now a drive shaft as well, I
guess versus a whole entire motor and everything else. Maybe
it is expensive and there.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I was gonna say, regardless, cheaper to repair.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
I guess the repair is something that I'm a little
bit more concerned with because now you're gonna have to
relink a new drive shaft, which means you have to
get into the bomb of the vehicle or the top
of vehicle. However, they're gonna allow you to get in
there easily through the bonnet or whatever, and that's I
guess I'm more curious rather than worried.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Yeah, I would argue this is probably much easier to
repair because it's an off the shelf component, not a
custom motor from a young startup, And now you don't
have to rout high voltage wiring and cool it to
the wheelpant. You just have to you're gonna route, You're
gonna have to add stuff regardless, you've got a steering rack.
Even if there was magically no drive shaft, there's gonna

(59:30):
be stuff to repair if one of those wheel shares off.
But I think it's better that you don't lose a
whole motor if that does happen.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Right, Yeah, I agree, that's something that would definitely up
the cost for repair. Yeah, so there's the pros and cons.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
So would then for you, Drew, you'd want you'd prefer
something of what the launch editions are like then, with
a motor on the inside the vehicle and drive shafts
to out, and though it's less way and you no
longer have a powered back wheel, you just have two
powered front wheels that do all the work for the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
If you go back and watch my APTAR reservation video,
I never wanted all wheel drive. I never I always
think that's overrated. People don't pay enough attention to tires
and assume that they just need a motor on each
wheel or whatever to get decent traction control, and I'm like, eh,
I don't think it's as efficient. So my original ap

(01:00:30):
tear reservation was front wheel drive, so it's actually more
in line now with what I reserved in the first
place than the original launch edition was. But I don't
think they did still say that there's a plan to
offer all wheel drive in the future, but that it's
more likely going to be one very low powered motor
in the rear that you basically just use for cruising

(01:00:54):
at highway speed, because maintaining speed on the highway doesn't
really much. It's a fairly low power output. So if
they could basically disconnect that front motor or turn it
off and switch to just using a really low powered
rear motor. You could have very very low energy consumption

(01:01:15):
at highway speed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Okay, is this something that maybe you were also clued too, Randy,
that you thought was something of a concern or something
that is maybe for the better.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I heard you guys talk about it. I never even
I never even thought about that issues, the issues that
it makes sense that like, if something was that happen
to one, then the like the whole thing is now
compromised with like mobility like that. It's not that it's
a design flaw, but it's a design flaw.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
So why don't just try to remind people, like, imagine
this is a normal sedan with wheels in a typical position. Yeah,
if something hit the app tara hard enough to shear
off that whole wheelpant, what would happen in a normal
sedan whole bodywork, but oh, the whole thing would be total. Yeah,

(01:02:11):
you smash it in half basically, And I'd like, in
this thing, Okay, you lose the wheel. I guess it's
wider than a typical sedan, so you can argue that
maybe it's more prone to losing the pants.

Speaker 3 (01:02:23):
We're sitting all the way out there, just ready to
get hit accidentally.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
But I mean the the main body being narrower. I
mean there's a lot of vehicles on the road that
are wider than that main body, and if they got
hit at that same velocity, I mean that wheel and
everything around the car is going in that's I mean,
that would be a total.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
Total loss. I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, like there's bad there's bad collisions all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
But uh, I don't think it's almost like a terra
has a ah, how would I describe that? Like it's
modular and like how phones like, oh, something is broken
up from you could just the piece instead of like
the whole thing being ruined. It's it's more compartmentalized, is
what I'm trying to say. It's like it's more isolated. Yeah,

(01:03:20):
the Titanic ain't sinking just because this one part got wrecked.
Buy some ice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
They mentioned that in their investor webinar that they're trying
to make it as easy to repair as possible and have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
As for EV's baby, let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
He said some crazy stat I'm trying to remember. He
said something like, you know, one of the most common
failure points in vehicles today is switches and latches and
like controllers for buttons and doors, and the Aptera has
like three switches in the interior. Wow, And I was like,
what is possible?

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Compare that to the was it the Grenadier that came
out recently? I forget what I got the company name is,
but it's got like switches that go up the whole
entire ceiling, pretty right, and saying I'll get a photo
of it. But it's just very simple, so many failure
points in which, even though that you're not using all

(01:04:19):
those switches all the time, it's another thing that you
have to note on. Need to get that fixed, need
to get this fixed, right, just like how I am
right now with my model. I, Oh, the suspension on
the front right needs to get fixed. Oh and then
this door panel needs to replace. Oh, and it just
it just keeps on stacking up.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
So even when you buy an entire new set of tires,
it'll be cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Speaking of new tires, I did something this past weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Did you copy me, Randy? No, because I also got
new tires.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Okay, what we Branda? What what what did you get?
What type.

Speaker 3 (01:05:05):
I forgot? Let me look it up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I the norm for the first time in my vehicle's history.
I do not have Michelin UH noise suppressing Model three
tires or whatever. I just got some normal tires from UH.
It's called Continental, and it's like a centimeter wider than

(01:05:30):
the last one I had, which technically would be worse
on performance, but it's not. It would not be noticeable.
But the beauty of this one is that I was
even looking at the the the treading of it, just
to you know, understand more about it. UH. It's designed
in such way to really handle the all weather elements,

(01:05:51):
specifically navigating through snow and stuff like that. He thought.
I was like, Oh, you're gonna take your car into
the mountains and go off from my BA not with
this thing. No, it's a pillow princess. The Model three
ain't doing none of that.

Speaker 7 (01:06:04):
It is just.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Helped me avoid potholes where I can and get me
through snow. I drive very very little. I live in
this box for for work, you know, like I'm not
driving much. And if my wife takes the car, she
just drives five minutes down the road and back to
the base, so it's not an issue.

Speaker 7 (01:06:27):
So I got not the cheapest tires but I got
the most affordable for what I was looking for, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Running nice and smooth. My tread was wearing very down.
I was like, oh, I had not replaced my tires
since before leaving San Diego, so it had been a
very long time. And the first thing I noticed as
I was driving I was listening for was like, oh,
I can hear the road more now, Like the styrofoam

(01:06:58):
in the in the tire did make little bit of
a difference. It's not noticeable in the actual like driving
if you're listening to music or an audiobook or talking
to people, or if the windows down, you know, but
like if you're just driving and turn off the AC
and like quiet, quiet, Oh yeah, I hear it. I
hear the road. But if you got the AC on,

(01:07:19):
you got music playing, or you're talking to people, you
don't notice it. So uh. I paid with with with
a little extended warranty whatever, with discount tire. I paid
one thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
I was like, you know what, Hey, that's what I
paid for my new time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
I was like, I'm okay with a thousand bucks. Yeah,
I paid a thousand and I was like that that's okay.
So tires are expensive, especially for specific vehicles.

Speaker 4 (01:07:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
And I didn't get the exact same everything I had before,
because before I always had the Michelin with the styrofoam
soundproofing thing, and I think that would have cost me
what twelve fourteen hundred dollars maybe, So I was like,
save me a couple hundred and uh, I bought it.
I bought the discount tire warranty. So I was like,
all right, that was like one hundred bucks. I was like,

(01:08:07):
all right, that that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
I still can't figure out how I'm supposed to rotate
the tires in the app turb.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yo, Okay, that's true, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
True, yeah, he said. I think Jason said in one
interview that they experimented with doing different sizes to maximize efficiency,
but they found out that it didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
It didn't because the wear on the middle one in
the back is going to be much different than the
ones on the sides. So yeah, you'd probably just switch
the left and the right in the middle one you
just keep as is. I guess, yeah, that'll be an
interesting problem. Similar. So I also got my tires replaced

(01:08:55):
as well. Randy, I had a leak on the front
right tire, and it was so bad to where I'd
filled up to forty forty one PSI or whatever in
the morning, by the evening it was already down to
about twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Oh my ooh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
It was a big screw. And I kept on looking
every single morning, couldn't find it. And so I finally
scheduled America's Tire now reservation. Anyways, appointment went there, and
of course the one time I go out with the
America's tire associate, it's plain as day right there on

(01:09:32):
the top of the tire.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Okay, falling the screw, it's right there everything.

Speaker 3 (01:09:38):
Anyways, he tried. So I had Michelin's before, and these
are the ones if you were called I forget how
many episodes ago. I did like a sound test between
the wheels that I had, the ones that they tried
selling me on, and then the ones I ended up
with being the micheline with the phone in them or whatever.
And you could definitely tell, like you said, the foam

(01:09:58):
does make a difference I these evs, whether you've got
double pain or single pain windows or anything like that,
or any sound damping.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Made no difference to me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
Okay, anyways, they tried selling me on Michelin's again, but
they said, yeah, these ones are very good for like
racing around, like they've got great grip. You could also
go off road with them if you want. Well, they
got an amazing grip. I'm like, I'm not really going off road.
I'm not doing much sporty driving. Do you have anything
else here? And they're like, uh, I, actually, we've got
some perellis that have the sound damping foam and are

(01:10:34):
a little bit more efficient to where you're gonna get
a lot more mileage out of it and a lot
more range. Yeah. And so the ones I got, I
think they're the Scorpions.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Yeah, Scorpion two.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
That's the new one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
You got the Scorpion two's. I was looking at those.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
And there we go. So I got the Scorpions. They
were a little bit pricey, but I think less pricey
than the Michelin's. I guess the place that I went
to didn't have too many options, so go ahead finish.
I was gonna say, it costs a little bit more
than your three, about seven hundred dollars more than what
your three's tires cost. But the more hilarious part of

(01:11:09):
it is they said to be done like in an
hour because they're busy that day. Yeah, so I think
actually that day Drew was streaming about something and so
I was tuning in on his stream wall I was saying, yeah,
I don't know, I think it was. I think it
was a text stop guys.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I'm here in my garage with my new Lamborghini.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
So funny enough. I walked around because the America's Tire
that I was at was nearby an auto mall where
you've got a whole bunch of different dealerships. I went
across because Honda was there. I see a cyber truck
there and it wasn't a customers It had a price
or not price tag, but it said like ask about
price inside or whatever. So someone took their cyber truck

(01:11:52):
to this Honda dealership and traded it in for a
Honda Wow Wow, which I've unfortunately out of the photo.
I mean wow, but I thought it was the most
lowest thing. I got to check out the Prologue and
then walked over to Volvo, checked out the c Fording,
the xc Ford, and then got to sit inside a
Cadillac and all anyways, did this for like forty minutes

(01:12:15):
or whatever, came back to America's Tire after checking out
all these different evs, and the car was still in
the same spot. It didn't move, and so I just
I thought, Okay, maybe it's been really busy. So I
sat down and then one of the sales or I
guess America's tires associates, came over and said, I'm sorry, sir,
we put your tires on the wrong model.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Why.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
I said what, and they said, we have a lot
of model Wise in today, and it was at midnight.
Silver Mata. Well, he said gray, there's a gray one
that looked exactly like you're putting your tires on theirs.
We're taking them off right now. We'll put yeah, well,
we'll take them off right now. We'll get your car
and we'll put the tires that you paid for on it,

(01:12:58):
and we'll get yeah here in the next like twenty
minutes or whatever. And I just I wasn't mad. I
was just laughing to myself that there were so many
Model Wiys here in the bay and specifically if this
America is Tire that day, that they just didn't know
which model why it was they're putting the tires on.
So they just put my tires on someone else's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Yet again another problem. You wouldn't have a nap everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
They wouldn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:22):
What to do with that vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Matt Green Model three. That's even I had the same
I had the same thing that how dare they? I
hate the day now? So they they asked me to say, like,
where's your car at because it was very busy, and
I was like, it's the only Matte model Green Tesla
you will find outside. Okay, So a couple of things.

(01:13:46):
One America's Tire in California is the same company as
Discount Tire throughout the rest of the country, I found out.
And then the Discount Tire that's in California is not
affiliated with the Discount Tire outside of California, So that

(01:14:06):
that was really weird to me because I was like,
how come you don't have my information on my tires.
That's time I put my tires on. It was at
a Discount Tire in San Diego and they're like oh,
and then he was like, oh, that's not us. That's
another company that we couldn't get them to change their name,
and only in California. California has Discount Tired that's not

(01:14:27):
familiar with us, but the other forty nine states were fine.
And then like in California, what we have is America's Tired.
That's the same company. I was like, oh okay, and
uh so that one two the uh The only reason
I didn't get the Scorpion twos is because with this associate,

(01:14:51):
he was like all patient with me and we was
going over everything. He was telling me that they're so
new because they just replaced the first gen Scorpion tires.
There's no ratings, like I can tell you what it is,
but there's so new, there's no actual feedback or rating.
I can't tell you what what your actual expectancy with
this tide would be.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
The price same statement.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
Yeah, yeah. So I was like, he's like, because of that,
I I mean, I'll recommend it to you if you
want to pay that, but I can't give you actual
genuine feedback as a you know, paying customer who wants
who we want to have a satisfying experience with. I
can't actually recommend it to you. So brand new, there's
no data. And I was like, okay, then we'll wait

(01:15:36):
without you got and we just went down the list
of everything and so then I ended up with the
Continent Oults, but.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
They only gave me too, that's all they add. At
that location. We got the Michelins that are sporty and
they're going to take a hit to your range and
they're louder. They don't have the phone in them, so crazy,
or go for the ones that have the phone in
them that don't have any data on range. Let's see
if these work. And thankfully these aren't like the weird
Michelins that I had for a couple of miles at

(01:16:04):
that whole point. Thankfully they don't do the weird road
thing where they catch onto a groove and then the
car violently moves around on the road weird. These are
just like the Michelins I had before, or the I
forget what the original ones I had on with the
model Y that they put on back in twenty twenty.
So these have been good. But funny that we both

(01:16:27):
got new tires around the same time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
Yeah, of course, naturally Mike and I are ying ying ing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Well, we saw Drew get new tires twice and we thought,
you know what, we also have to get new tires.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Don't I shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Yeah, that's true. No, I should not have. Most likely
I should not have driven cross country with the tires
that I had.

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
But you know, get to the light where it's obvious
that I need new tires. I still feel cheated because
my last tires were fine. They still had grip on them,
even though they had forty five thousand miles on them.
They were in good condition.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
So you're prepared for both winter and summer with the
set of tires that you have on right now in California.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Wow, good, good wintering.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Yeah. I can drive up to the snow and then
come back down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Well with all the ash call in these days, because
California is always on fire, it performs like snow, right,
so it's all slippery and that's all difference.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Yeah, no difference, But there is a difference in the
uh PSI of the lucid gravity. I don't know if
you guys can read this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
You are really squinting on these foot Is that ninety two?

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Sixty two?

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Ninety two?

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
I can't says ninety two?

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Wow, what I need classes?

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Why, I'll send you the link.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Why isn't that what vehicles need? Hold on?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Ford f two fifty PSI rating eightypsi Ford F two
to fifties recommended tire pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
The owner was just trying to get the PSI to
one hundred percent and they couldn't do it. Oh my god,
they got as high as they could. It's just like
such a so awful. No, I don't know if that's true.
This is a prototype, to be fair.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Yeah, we've seen one with two charging ports. For those
that don't know or are informed at the news as much,
there's one with a naxt port on the back and
a CCS two port on the front. Correct, so nothing
is certain, but everything is known.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
It's still weird, though, isn't it that, even on the
prototype that the PSI would be listed that high.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
That's a really ninety two psi.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I'd be afraid to sneeze around those tires.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Sneeze while in the vehicle, somewhat tires.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
One like walks by your car and kicks it. Why
these tires run over a ladybugging.

Speaker 3 (01:19:07):
Bam, you take it off the lot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I just bug's life. I'm a guy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Yes, gee, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
I hope that's inaccurate. I hope that was just. But still, again,
even if it's a prototype, software stack. Why would they
let it say ninety two if that was not what
the actual PSI is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
I mean, lucid in reverse it is supposed to say
twenty nine.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
That's way too that's even worse for SUV. Are you
off roading with this thing? What are you doing? Maybe
with the gravity?

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
I mean they have pictures of it off roading.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
They have the marketing photos of it off roading. That
doesn't mean just drop.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
The it marketing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
This is the road to gravity.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Uh huh, proving grounds?

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
What a name? The road to gravity? This is how
we invented gravity.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Stop.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
I'm glad that they're getting close on production. That's very exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
I'm very happy that they're getting progress done on something
that isn't the Lucid Air. I've been waiting for this
for years.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
No, I think, Oh, that guy's keeps calling it the
there you Go off road video, sir, that is a
dirt road.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
That's not off I mean, yes, that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
That was literally that was off ground.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
So that was literally off. The road is depying gravity.
The gravity is defying gravity. Wonderful.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
So this is off road.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Okay, that's a little bit more off roady okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
They said at that little presentation. I don't know why
they didn't publish everything from it, but they mentioned that
the air suspension pushes it up to ten and a
half inches of ground clearance. That's not bad, just which
is pretty good. So wow, Yeah, I think they should
have started with this. To be honest with you, Well,

(01:21:08):
that's what, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
I I agree and disagree. I think starting with the
air was a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
I'm god, is it Wednesday already?

Speaker 3 (01:21:23):
It is? My dudes, it's great. Uh what was it gonna?

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
I'm glad that they started with the air because they
had to figure out all their hilarious ideas and bumbling
around with what they want as a product in their design,
and they explored every corner that they could with that vehicle,
which is great in all, but to take everything that

(01:21:51):
they learned and apply it to an suv and make
it a killer product is probably the better approach than
to start with an suv and then throw that all
into a d that in the market that we're in
right now, no one's really buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
That's why I just kick. I wouldn't. I wouldn't do
it before or after. And I'm a big fan of
Sedan's But I'm just saying profitability wise, I think you
could have explored all of that with the SUV and
then not have as big a demand problem as they
have now. But they got Saudi money, they'll be okay.

(01:22:27):
They got another billion and a half last week. I think,
oh my god. So I'm convinced. Honestly, I've changed my
mind on Lucid. I think they'll be fine. I'm not
worried about.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
They keep on gating mind from Saudi.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Yeah, why would Why would the Saudi stop investing at
this point?

Speaker 3 (01:22:46):
Maybe something else came on the market that's a lot
more interesting, or they ran out oil somehow, or local
government changes occurred, or.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Local of money. Even if they stopped selling the politics yeah,
politics happened, who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
But at least with them being able to build their
empire off the wonderful industry that's oil. Uh, I guess
if they're making something that is that interesting from an
engineering perspective, I'm alright with it in a way. But
I'm really happing go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
That Saudi money could have gone to you know, yachts,
or it could go into new technologies, and they decided
to dump it all on a really like efficiency focused
American electric vehicle brand. I'm like, Okay, if that money
had to go to something that's that's more interesting to

(01:23:50):
me than blowing it on I don't know, just new hotels, ideas,
or some new AI product that no one's going to remember.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Like this is a leave friend, Avis, I.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Gotta put it around my neck here. But I'm sorry, Randy,
I know I'm offending you right now.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Yeah, you are crying for those listening. He looks just
destroyed by the fact that the gravity is this or something.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
His face in his palms right now.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm just disappointed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
That they're still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Why they're artificially alive? How do you define a live
just because you're just because you're jealous. No's just we're
we're playing god with cars.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I'm like, hey, the a lot of the automotive industry
is propped up by subsidization and unions or whatever government bailouts.
I'm like, governments get involved in automotive brands all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Just the hypocrisy with the oil rich.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
I don't think it's hypocritical.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
You're well, it's definitely not American fund it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
No, but what is at this point, Tesla, your company
that you work at.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
I don't recall getting money from the government, got money
from investors, But I'm just saying American money. But why
does it matter like that? The Saudis know that the
oil is finite. That's why they're investing in trying to
make their government's outlast oil. So they're trying to bring,

(01:25:45):
you know, in industry and economy, and that's why UAE
has also spent a ton of money on trying to
make to buy a tourist destination.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
He's oil billionaires.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
And he's.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
The Saudis of all people.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I'm not all that the money is like ethically sourced.
I'm just saying, if it's going to be spent regardless,
I'd rather be spent on something like Lucid.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Blood money on your hands, man, those guys jacking off.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
They didn't go to Lucid. Where do you think it
would go? I don't like Lucid didn't exist, they wouldn't
sell their oil. Well, like, what's the mindset there?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
It's it's dirty business. It's not it's not clean business.
It's dirty. There's an ethical issue somewhere in there. There's
something very there's some similar somewhere in there. There's there's
something between.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
I know it's dirty. I'm just saying it's in the
process of becoming clean by at least making a highly
efficient h electric vehicle rather than you know, that money
could have gone into a big billionaire business that makes
gas vehicles, that could go back into oil refinery businesses.

(01:27:05):
It could have gone to Chevron, could have gone to Shell.
Now I mean billions go to those big oil companies.
There's just a few billions going towards zero mission all
electric company.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
It's like maybe a percentage of all these billions or
a fraction of percent of all these billions is being
thrown over to Lucid and there you go. I feel
like it's a conflict of interest. At the end of
the day. I don't know what if the Saudi's just
straight up all in on evs and help accelerate the transition,

(01:27:40):
you know what I mean, like not a little money here,
a little money there, And I get it, that's where
they make that. I mean, the richest, the richest people
period are those industries and all that. You know, generational
oil being passed down in the family line. But I uh,

(01:28:01):
I feel if it feels so hypocritical that finite or
not when it runs out. If we get to that point,
we'll be gone. It's not not not our generation that's
going to see that, nor maybe even the next generation
whatever after Jen Alpha is was it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
I don't really know how much oil there really is,
and I genuinely don't care because I just don't think
we should be there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
There's a lot there's That's the whole Isn't that the
whole pitch with a great we reached a part of
the podcast where we talk about politics. Isn't that the
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
With you brought this up, Randy yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Listen, the whole, the whole stick about why uh, the
GOP is saying no to this whole accelerating transition to EV's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:51):
Is because what's royal?

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
It's plentiful because we have a lot of it in
North America. We're we're the largest ex border of oil,
but we don't use our own oil because of the
whole trade relations that we have overseas. So we could
theoretically just get the oil from Alaska and we'd be okay,

(01:29:14):
and we'd be fine self sustain but that's not.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
I just I don't think you should burn things if
you don't need to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
Well, that's that's my point, though we should reason.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
We don't let people like burn their garbage in their backyard.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Oh Man, California on the East coast. That was the
weirdest mind blow that. I'm like, people literally burn their
trash in their yards, but because everything's always so humid
and wet that the fire doesn't spread. But I just
see these controlled fires in people's yards, just burning stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
It's not that. That's how I look at gas cars.
It's like, you don't need to be burning that. That's
not necessarily vehicles.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
Yes, but Saudis ain't all in on it. Obviously. That's
not the bread and butter. It's the wheel it is now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
But they're investing in the long term future. They're trying
to I'm not saying they're all clean and ethical. I'm not.
I mean, don't act like America is either. We got
bad blood money everywhere. I'm just saying that I'm grateful
that that money, regardless of how it was obtained, is
being used for an electric vehicle brand instead.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
And justify the means drew.

Speaker 1 (01:30:28):
No, I'm saying the the means happen regardless, the means
are unavoidable.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Like then.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
There's there's demand for oil. Even with an all electric
vehicle fleet. You know, even if every car on the
road was electric, there were still.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
Oil is never gonna go away because we like, I
don't see it like we're gonna have electric rockets. That's
not electric planes exist.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
It's just not the way you think.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Talking about literal like SpaceX space on the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Surface of Earth. No, I mean that's not even.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Even Elon agrees with you on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
Yeah, I mean, like oil will always be in in
there's a need in a use for oil and plastics,
all kinds of composites and plastics that are used in manufacturing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
But that's what Those can be recycled, whereas refining oil
and burning it it can't be recycled. So and it's
also toxic fumes that you're breathing in and make our
atmosphere worse. And also these you can plug in and
they're cheaper and yah. Yeah, so there's just I'm like,
regardless of how much oil there is, I think it's
a good idea to invest in, you know, companies that

(01:31:41):
are trying to make more efficient.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
But not Lucid. That's the point, not Lucid.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
We got to give them credit. Let they got the
most efficient vehicle on the market Range.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
It's incredible engineering that they put into these vehicles.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Let you guys are blinded by your lust for Do
you not like efficiency?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Randy?

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
I do?

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Do you not like having more range? I do. There's
only one eb on the market that can go over.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
But they haven't fixed car Play.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Okay, at least they have Garplay. Does Rivian?

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
They don't need it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:19):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
I don't think it would hurt to have.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Just just have have whatever with the app, like just
I just want Apple Maps. That's what I mean by Karplate.
Just give me Apple Maps.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
Rivian does not. These are the facts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I'm done with this episode. I am cornered and I
have nothing left to yell at.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
You said my favorite words, cornered. Look at that Apple Maps.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Oh God, why that's so bad?

Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
It's a square.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Steve Jobs is rolling in his grave and you.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Didn't see anything on that screen.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Steve Jobs would drive it, Lucid.

Speaker 2 (01:33:09):
Steve Jobs would not let that ship like at all.
That's not true. He would drive a Mercedes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
Well, he did drive a Mercedes, but then Lucid would
have come around and he'd go, oh, yeah, because it's expensive.
I's gonna say. Steve Jobs never cared about money. That's
why he bought a new Mercedes every six months so
he didn't have to pay for the He.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
Did it because he's neurotic.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
He had more money than he knew what to do
with ed. He cared about little design with.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
His no license plate looking like. That's the point where
you stand out. He's just He's just he was just neurotic.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
True, that's a good point. Yeah, but think of Peter Rolinson.
No that I won't that man got it. That would
have gotten along with Johnny ive.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Johnny what do you think Johnny Ie drives right now?

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
Yeah, that's a good answer.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
I don't even know who he is. He's probably driving.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
You don't know. You don't know who Johnny ive.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Is has the voice like butter.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Yeah, you you have until we start tech podcasts to
figure this out, because you this is sacrilegious for you
to be.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Like, I'm not nick I Woult didn't start this podcast.
I came in later.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
You've had all this time to get brought up to speed.
Did you even read the biography of the Bible.

Speaker 3 (01:34:42):
Why are we talking about Johnny I on this podcast. Wow,
that car is smiling.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Dude, No, Johnny that you know what Aston Martin that
that's a Johnny I've vehicle. Yeah, he is a very like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
I wouldn't think he would drive this.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
I would love to see him, mister. He interviewed about
his you know, vehicle collection. That'd be so he'd have
the coolest stuff, because you know, you just obsess over
all the minutia of it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Oh, this is a web page saying what he what
he drove in order, so he drove himself to school
in the five hundred, he.

Speaker 3 (01:35:17):
Drove himself in an Italian sports car. Wow, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
And then after that he upgraded to the frog Eye.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
No, it is called the frog Eye. Oh it's a
Sely Healy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
And then is that his carnal, No, that's not his carnival.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
And then Vanquish. Vanquish is beautiful, also a two door.
And then I been.

Speaker 3 (01:35:42):
Asking hopefully making at some point Bentley.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Not what I would have expected.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yeah, wait, what this is when he had kids?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Yeah, this is when he had kids.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Yeah, he said after one of his colleagues in the
design studio bought one. He wanted one a well and
got one within days. And then back to Bentley.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
That's a killer photo with it in the Golden gate Bridge. Okay,
now you know I'm thinking I feel like he's moved
on to something else after that, Bentley.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
I feel like Lucid is more Bentley asked in Martin than.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Anything else than Mercedes Porsche OUTI.

Speaker 1 (01:36:23):
Yeah, he might go, he might go. That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
It has to be something European.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Mm hmm. True. All right, is that is that all?

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Y'all done?

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
He's sick, he's sick of I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
Glad we could all come together for this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
Yeah, I'll see you guys next month.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Literally, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
By y'all, take care

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