Ep. 191 - ID Buzz Kill

Join Drew, Randy, and Mike as they discuss Lucid’s game plan, the disappointing specs of the ID Buzz, and Drew’s experience with Polestar!

Randy's Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@RandyNexus

Published: 8-24-2024, Recorded: 8-22-2024

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to the listening to podcast Everybody, What's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Me and Drew were matching today and I said, well,
one of us has got a change, and it.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Was yeah, I changed into a blue shirt I guess,
in which I usually wear on these podcasts. But hi everyone, Hello, Hello,
This is like a loosen red.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I don't know what you're saying with the first part,
but I liked it right now. Okay, No, look, listen, listen, listen.
I've had some time to think about it and people
are calling me out and stuff, so I'm just gonna
say it for the record, Loocid is in a real company. See.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
I thought you were getting ready to say, oh I'm
missing and out wish they had.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
Even if it matches my.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's the official restaurant of Tesla. No, I thought you
were gonna say. I heard Peter Rowlinson talk a lot
of trash about Tesla and that made me really respect Lucy.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
The thing is, hey, you know, whatever, whatever, how do you.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
How do you get your fun Listen?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
If politicians can get their funny and however they want,
then whatever do you lose it?

Speaker 5 (01:33):
I I don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
You're not gonna act like there's some unethical money at
the start of any brands beginning some money.

Speaker 5 (01:43):
There's some blood money, you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
You don't get billions of dollars without a little blood.
There's billions of ethically sourced.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
Ain't nobody who's a billionaire and flew flew that plane straight.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
If you catch my drift, there's no way.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
All money is evil to a certain extent.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
That's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, But anyway, but luc you know what, listen, maybe
I'll feel a different way once uh once, Lucid.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I you know, I know why I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
I don't know if I've ever said it here. I
know I've told you guys this, but I don't know
if I've ever said it here.

Speaker 6 (02:19):
My issue it's that they gave off real strong Nicola vibes.
They hit the ground so cocky for no reason other
than we're the premium ball up. I'm like, freaking earn it,
you know, get get there, earn your brag.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
And they were just so they were just so arrogant.

Speaker 7 (02:39):
About like we're the most premium long range and their
their QC was crap. And somebody get side by side
between you know, Tesla's crap QC and looses and it
was so.

Speaker 5 (02:52):
It was so bad, and then the car play thing
just kind of ticked me off. I was like, that's annoying.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
So everything that they were doing, I was like, you
guys have no right to be this cocky about being
such a premium lose. It gives escobar phone vibes. I
felt like there's some shady stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Going on, and I just, you know, I like, I
don't know, still freshly sore about the whole Nicola thing,
and I'm you wouldn't exist, never mind the funding part,
but you literally have nothing to show for this right now.
And now it's it's they're not profitable, but you know,
neither's Ravens.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
So who cares.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Automotive brands rarely are right.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
So I'm like, okay, it's not about profitability. It's just
it was just this arrogance that was so unwarranted and
not earned.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
But the longer to stick around, the more I'll be like, Okay, fine,
I don't know if I'm.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
There yet, but they're still here.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
They are a nice.

Speaker 5 (03:46):
Vehicle, the one I saw of all places rural Virginia.
I'm like, yo, that's kind of sick. I like that
beating thing. That was kind of sick.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
It was a clean Now they said they're gonna release
three more affordable models to compete with Tesla. Now that
I'm okay with, I just want to know what I
could picture crossover in Sedan. What's the third that's my question?

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Suv, straight suv, bigger.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Van, that's the gravity. What's even more cheap.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
If the model So the Model X is a straight suv,
the Model Y is a crossover, what would be the
Model X lower tier equivalent?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
It'd be that Why not a sports car?

Speaker 4 (04:36):
I guess because I was hoping they'd go like, that's
not cheap, that's not cheap. Well, it could be like
they just well they're trying to be more cheap. That's
what these new models are supposed to be. But I
just mean like Lucid's Mustang or Lucid's Corvette. You know, Okay,
so a real not a MOCKI yes.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Ye, maybe a Corvette makes more sense in terms of expenses.
Mustangs are a little bit lower in terms of the
price echelon compared.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
To that cheap I feel like Lucid might actually be
perfect for that because they've got amazing powertrain tech and
if they just sold a really affordable coup that was
sporty that was also like reasonably priced, that might be
that might be kind of an interesting direction.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, maybe they'll actually make one that has a sliding
door to your liking.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Drew, oh please please, dear God, or just a compact car.
I don't know what's more Lucid to you guys, just
having an expensive suv and a cheap suv or having
an affordable sporty coup or having like a compact hatchback
like Lucid's equivalent of a Chevy polt.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
I feel like it is even.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
So what I'm showing on the screen right now is
to say ocean.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
They just took a gravity and mushed it.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
It's a Lucid ocean on the ocean.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
But well, they did apply for that trademark for ocean
I saw.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
But Fisker's not even dead yet.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Oh, come on, come on now, they're on hospice.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I honestly have no clue, and
I don't know where this news comes from, if it's
some insider source or some hypothetical but I feel like
we're jumping ahead already We're barely getting to the SUV
at this point with Lucid. Why are we trying to
guess something that we don't even know about? And yet

(06:48):
we don't even know about the things that are supposed
to come before it being two mid sized vehicles, I
feel like we're we're jumping way too far ahead here.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Well, that's the most interesting part for me is what
we don't know. But that's fine. We're talking about You.

Speaker 5 (07:07):
Just peed in his wheedies. MIC's gonna have fun. Hey, guys,
would you think the next one? We're too far ahead
and even think about that.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Okay, we're not even at the gravity yet, though.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
What don't we know about the gravity.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Price point for every single tier of it? How many
teamers are gonna make or they're gonna make?

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Like we get it. It starts under eighty thousand, but
I'm sure there will be trims that are much more.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I don't know, man, what I Mike, what what do
you want to talk about?

Speaker 4 (07:46):
So?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I was gonna jump into that Drew's favorite thing costs
a whole lot more than everyone was expecting, and it
doesn't get it than what most people were expecting either.
For a very large battery specific like it's cheaper.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
It's cheaper than the Daytona.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
That the point of this is that they took way
too long with the id buzz and for a ninety
one killawa our battery, it only gets at max from
epa estimated range two hundred and thirty four miles. That's laughable,
It's honest.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
For a van, I would say it's expected.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
No, I'm expecting something around three hundred.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Drew came a more efficient van.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
What do you mean? More efficient van?

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Like? Vans are by design inherently not aerodynamic at all,
and that's why the Rivian van it's terrible range that
E transit has terrible.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Those are different more very aerodynamic. Not go ahead.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
I love the random acronym, but seriously, I just think
it's it's just an arrow problem in general. I actually
think you'd have a hard time finding a more efficient van.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
So comparing this to an E transit or the eDV
or RCV whatever Rivene wants to call their van these days, yeah,
these are different vehicles both in size and capability. This
thing is meant to be something that goes on roads,
that is owned by families and is supposed to go
a far distance those other vehicles, the E Transit and

(09:32):
the eDV or whatever are meant to deliver packages and
do inner city travel. Now, yes, you can make the
argument that this is only meant for inner city travel
as an inner city van for inner city families and all.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
That, but.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
The specs just I guess what I'm gey is it's
very disappointing to see that something that is just a
little bit longer than what they make already, being the
ID four, gets a a whole lot worse range and
a whole lot worse efficiency than many other vehicles on
the market.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, I just think it's reality setting in. I don't
think it's like a problem with the overall weight or
the specific the powertrain or something. It's just like people
just magically think that because it's a pretty van, it's
supposed to have similar efficiency or range to a crossover
or asida, and when in reality, it's like, Uh, if
you want a vehicle to be that boxy or that shape,

(10:30):
it kind of has to carry around some drag.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
It may carry around some drag, but why not then
spend more time on the arrow or I think I
find a way to decrease the weight a lot more
I don't know what the weight of it is. I
don't know if they've disclosed that yet, but for ninety
one kiloot hour battery, and it only goes two hundred
and thirty four miles, and it's just a little bit
longer than its European cousin, which is around the same

(11:01):
dimensions as an eighty four. It seems like it's very
short sighted and that it's a bit longer. It's one
hundred and ninety five inches in length, seventy eight inches
in width, seventy five inches in height.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, I mean they particularly made it longer for the
US market, but I mean it's a three row vehicle
versus the I four being a two row.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
Well still, that's my point. This thing is still built
like a crossover suv on the interior. It's not taking
advantage of a van like scenario with having bench seats
or specifically customizable seats to where you can rotate them
or take them out and all that. Instead, things are
very much planted in there and you can't really move them,

(11:47):
and a lot of the interior is geared around what
people expect from a crossover and not from like a
Honda Odyssey.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, I mean, crossovers do sell well, but I I
can tell you now Honda Odyssey is not going to
be much more efficient than that, even electric, but it's
also lighter than the Daytona. Fun fact, you.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Keep on bringing it that Daytona. I'm not comparing this
to Daytona. Those are two different vehicles. That Daytona is
supposed to be a more sportier experience of a vehicle.
It's not focusing on carrying a whole bunch of people
in it. It's not focused on being the inner city
traveling car. It's meant to be the fun car that

(12:33):
you take out on the roads out in the hills.
This is supposed to be something that is for long
distance driving and for people carrying and all that. And
it only gets two hundred and thirty four miles of
range with a ninety one kilo at our battery. It's
just embarrassing, especially after all these years of waiting for it,
and the specs fall flat, the interior falls flat, the

(12:56):
exterior falls flat. For me, it's just it's been in
nothing burger at this point. There's nothing to look forward to.
Even the price starts at sixty thousand dollars base price
for a long range and you only get two hundred
and thirty four miles for about sixty thousand dollars. Why
would I buy this?

Speaker 4 (13:17):
No, I don't think you should buy it.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Why would any consumer buy it?

Speaker 4 (13:22):
I could see more use case for this than the
Daytona purely.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Again, I keep on compared to the Daytona Drew.

Speaker 5 (13:28):
That's not a.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Point, because the Daytona is how I feel about how
you feel about that. It's our equivalent if we had
to side by side, Like the specs don't add up
to you, and it drives you nuts. But I'm like,
there's a family that could appreciate having the automatic sliding doors.
It's got ventilated and massaging seats driving it around town,

(13:50):
it's got storage space, a post to sixty thousand dollars
speaker system. It's like to me, I.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Think the thought into the speaker system. They didn't put
any thought into this thing. They just threw a ninety
one K battery and only ten kill at hours more
than what they usually put in the ninety four and
it gets less range.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
That's how arrow works exactly.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
And that's my point is they should have fixed the
arrow problem with this and or a weight reduction issue
because something's going wrong with this designs. They lost the
plot along the way.

Speaker 4 (14:28):
I think it's just kind of vans. Like if you
could show me an example of a van with more
storage space that was lighter and got more range, I
would agree with you. But I think the EV community
is just kind of slowly starting to figure out vans
are not aerodynamic. They're not efficient by nature, which is
why if you try to do a cross country one

(14:50):
or one with a ton of rain, just going to
take a huge battery, which would have driven the price
even higher. Like it's just an inherently difficult thing to
make arrow. But I think they did an okay job,
but it.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Is okay acceptable at this point. I don't think it is.
I think VW is really misstepping. They're tripping at this point.
They're falling on their face at this product. And it
shows that even with Scout not even announcing their vehicles,
that we're almost done with summer at this point, we
haven't heard anything about Scout's vehicles. What's going on, VW?

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Why are these Scout's going to be much much worse?

Speaker 3 (15:27):
That's not the point of Scout, though, Do you get
my do you get where I'm getting at. Scout is
meant to be off roading fun vehicle. This thing is
not supposed to be fun in terms of driving around
the city or driving across the country, or I think
it would be comfy driving across the country, but you
can't because you have to stop every two hundred miles

(15:48):
or less to charge it up. Yeah, I mean maybe
not even that, because you're not going to be driving alone.
You're going to be having a whole bunch of gear
and people in it, So it's going to decrease the
range significantly. Anyways, I don't understand. I don't get this.
Why not have more range? Why not have better.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Drag coefishing The drag coefficient is point two eighty five,
which I think is pretty good for a van.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
So then what's the problem with this? Why is in
ninety one kiloot our battery only gain two hundred and
thirty four miles. You can explain away, Oh, it's got
great drag coefficient, So then what's the problem. Why does
it have terrible range?

Speaker 4 (16:30):
I think vans in general just have bad efficiency, is
what I'm trying to tell you, Like this is just
inherently I don't think there's a better way to do it,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Well, right now, the Honda Odyssey gets four hundred and
twenty nine miles of range with a twenty eight combined
city highway efficiency or MPG.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, twenty eight is not amazing.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Agreed, But it goes four hundred twenty nine miles. I
would think something around three hundred miles is what you
should aim for with a competitor to what is on
the market right now that carries a decent amount of
people in it. Instead, all I'm seeing is a very
embarrassing product.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
I mean, Marquez said it turns heads just as much
as the cyber truck. I do think it is kind
of a throwback. I know it's not your favorite, but
I could see a use case for it. I'm not
saying it'll be the best selling thing in the world, but.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, the throwback is right behind it in the image
on the screen that we have on the podcast, that
looks way better and has a lot more utility than
the thing in the foreground.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, but I mean your crumple zone was the knees.
It's a very different time. They weren't as concerned about
fuel economy back then either. I'm sure id Buzz is
far more efficient than any other minivan.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
There's just a lot of missteps with this product, including
the sliding door that blocks the charging port.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
Or brand it's plugged in.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Does it? Yeah, we'll hit the handle.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Probably we went over this last time.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
I feel like I have.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
My brain's like, no, wait a minute, I did not.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
They did. They did test it a little bit. Give
him some credit. They did figure some things out.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
This probably has just seemed like its history has been
terrible ever since they showed off what could have been.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
I think you've just hated it from the beginning aesthetically
and you think you're just looking.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
This looks futility focused, this looks great. It's not confirmation bias.
I was secretly hoping that this would be a really
great product speck wise, because then I excuse, okay, you
get around three hundred miles of range.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
But no, did they say that with the concept.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
The concept, I've got no clue, but you would think
with the concept, after sitting on it for years on end,
that they'd come up with something that is acceptable. I
don't think the specs justify the means for purchasing this vehicle.
I think you're better off buying an ID four or
going forward with something like EV nine if you need

(19:22):
seven seats or got to have to go Model Y
or Model X.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Yeah, you kind of have to go EV nine if
you wanted to equivalently equivalently priced third row. But I mean,
like the standard range F one fifty Lightnings are close
to the same range. I believe the entry level EV
nine's are also just a little over two hundred miles.
Is there a reason you feel very differently about those?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
You're comparing a van to a work truck, in which
the work truck has been agreed upon by many that
Ford F one fifty Lightning is supposed to be something
of inner city utility. Yeah, it can tow big trailers,
but the range doesn't show that either. And Ford hasn't
marketed as something that is meant to go long distances

(20:10):
toe greater things. It's meant to haul things around the city,
things like the rivinarwe t have a little bit more range,
or even the Chevy Silverado tut we can get you
there with the range that we got in the battery. Yeah,
the battery is huge. The efficiency is not good either,
but at least they market it that way. I haven't

(20:31):
seen a marketing with this. Besides it's sitting on the
beach or it's sitting on the side of a road.
I'm not understanding what they're trying to market this to.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
I just mean another similarly priced three row SUV would
be the EV nine, which has a two hundred and
thirty mile range. Why is that? Are you okay with that?
Or is that also not acceptable?

Speaker 3 (20:54):
So here's the thing with the EV nine. We didn't
see this about six years ago, sitting on a beach
or something like that being touted and talked about. This
is something that we've been watching anticipating for a while,
and we've been waiting here over in the United States
for a long time to see the ID bus be
electrified and come back into the modern day age of

(21:17):
what EV could be. And instead it falls short inspects,
it falls short in design, falls short in capability. It's
just why are you laughing?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Randy?

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Explain? Tell me what you know about this? Does Brittany
know about this information? I know that she was interested
in this thing.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
And I watched the video together. Uh what yesterday?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yesterday?

Speaker 5 (21:49):
Two days ago?

Speaker 4 (21:49):
Two days ago? Whenever?

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Video Marquez's video. Oh yeah, I waited and I watched
it with her, so she knows about it. No, No,
I don't want to talk. I'm enjoying this.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Is the Drews. I'll retort to Drew's things. EV nine
supports three hundred and four miles of range.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
EPA is not the base model.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
No, but that's the point that I'm trying to make.
The ID Buzz can't even get close to three hundred.
The EV nine can if you pay a little bit more,
at least has the capability of doing it. The ID
Buzz has it can't. They didn't list anything out with
the EPA unless they've got something else coming. But they've
gone from a was it a twelve module pack to

(22:32):
I think fourteen. Now with the extension of the wheelbase,
the long wheelbase has included I think two more modules
for the battery, so that way it gets instead of
eighty one kill what hours, it gets ninety one killo
what hours. Maybe there's some room in there, because it
seems like I don't think ten kilod hours would take
up that much more space. Maybe it does.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
It's like a power wall worth.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
But that's my point is they're not offering that, and
so that's where my disappointment stems. At least the key
EV nine does offer it, but doesn't start at it,
which is fine because that means you've got options to
grow more in which id buzz has not claimed that.

(23:16):
M hm. So that's where I'm upset.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
I'm definitely not trying to sell you on it. I
know you hate it, but I'm just saying if I
was in the market and I was looking at, you know,
not necessarily the best road tripping experience, but I think
there's a lot of people out there. You know, the
average American drives forty miles a day, not two hundred.
And if you're looking at something to pick up the
kids going to the soccer games, getting some grocery runs in,

(23:43):
and you're worried about the kids swinging open the EV
nine's doors and banging the nice cars park next to you,
and you want something you know, drive around town, drive
back to the beach and have room for everybody in
the back and not be squished into the micro third
row that the Model Y has, then yeah, this is
kind of a cute see, kind of a goofy, funky

(24:06):
character looking little thing that doesn't blur. At least it
doesn't blur into the Blazer effect like the eighty other
crossovers we've seen before. It stands out in some way. No,
I don't think two hundred and thirty miles is going
to be great on a long distance road trip, but
I think a lot of three arrest three row SUVs
are rarely going on road trips anyway. So I mean

(24:27):
I wouldn't want a road trip in the old fashioned
Volkswagen either, maybe back in the fifties, but nowadays. I'd
much rather have some breaks planned in there, or you know,
some airbags stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
And I'm not arguing against that. I'm arguing against is
the specs are disappointing, the design is disappointing, and it
took forever to come out. What is there for me
to be excited about that's finally out?

Speaker 4 (24:56):
It does exist, does it. I'd say the same about
lots of other things that we get excited about on
this channel R two or three cool things, but they're
not out yet. This is you know, driving around people
are owning them, at least in Europe. In the US. Shortly,

(25:24):
Randy's looking so smug over there.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
That was fun.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Well, we know Brittany, we know how Brittany feels about
the lightning. Yeah, yeah, how does she feel about this?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Okay, so we watched the video together and basically she's
not impressed with the range for what it costs.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
If it was.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Maybe fifteen thousand cheaper or something, she would have been like,
I can see a case for range. Being that, she
wasn't impressed with that. But she did say, and I quote,
I give it a couple of years, let it be refined,
and uh, you know, we'll talk then.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
She she doesn't hate it. She's she's probably did I
forgot the spec that.

Speaker 5 (26:21):
She told me, just like an anesthetic side. But it
doesn't matter. The point is she doesn't hate it.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
And what you were saying, Drew is very accurate that
there's a lot of people with a lot of there's
a lot of people with a lot of people to
drive around, and that that this is where that can
come into come into play.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
And it's so uniquely designed. We can call it, you know,
a straight.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Up van van or whatever the case is, but it
it has a design language of its own.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
And there's character. There's character in there, and and I
I like that there's character in there.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I like the car, I don't really I don't really
know about the first gen thing. But my biggest pushback
for you, Mike is I would say, get excited that
it is out, because now we can start.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Innovating more and more with future iterations.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
I know we've been waiting a long time for this
thing to drop to know what we'd be working with,
but I'm just glad it's done so then they can
move forward.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
I would rather.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
I would rather this be out and people get their
hands on it and they get feedback on it, then
keep waiting for the right time to drop the right
variants of it. As we've discussed, there's no such thing
as a right time for evs.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
There's never gonna be a right time.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Just ship it, and unlike traditional cars, we do not
have to wait midyear for the next year's model.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Just whenever there's an update and it's ready, that sucker,
get it out there. I I personally.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Was not wowed by the price for me. Brittany wasn't
wowed by the range. I wasn't wowed by the price.
So collectively, we would like to see both of those
be adjusted accordingly for it to be like ooh, that
looks nice, but we're not in the market.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
For a van right now, or a mini van or
in anything.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
And I mean, even if we could get the original,
you know, hippie bus right there in the background, the
old nineteen sixties to the nineteen seventies version of it,
we wouldn't We wouldn't buy one anyway, not for safety reasons.
Even those safety reasons, we wouldn't do it for a
for practicality. We don't have a use for it right now.

(28:50):
But it'd be nice to see this thing get rid
those refinements. Now, let them get lifetime feedback, especially from
prominent people like Marquez and a like. Let let let
Volkswagen know what needs to be improved on and let
the market speak. You know, at that point, maybe two

(29:11):
gents from now will be a really a pillion offer.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
I feel like we'll get see that with a lot
of different generations of a lot of different vehicles. Future
generations will be like, oh, okay, that one looks nice.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
That will maybe it won't have some of the gimme
keyp bells and whistle stuff, but we'll have more practicality
involved in at a better price. Maybe batteries will be
even better at that point too, where it can perform better.
But I also I do agree with you, Drew on
the range element for these things have never been great,

(29:44):
and I I won't compare it to a gas vehicle
that says that can give you four hundred miles because
we're doing Apple, it's not it's not the same comparison
between gas and electric.

Speaker 5 (29:56):
I just I'm happy. I'm happy it's out there, but
I'm not impressed with the price.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
And I think I would have been a little bit
more open minded about starting with a six for the
price tag if it was at least two seventy five,
you know, maybe, but realistically, splitting hairs by.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
Forty miles that should not be the make it or
break it. And this thing is not meant to be
a road tripping vehicle.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
When I think of a road trip, when I actually
think of like a genuine road trip, I think of
I think of a comfortable interior. That's the first thing
that comes to my mind. I don't think about range,
I don't think about nothing like that. I just think about
how comfortable for the next couple hours will you be.
I don't know if this meets that requirement for me,

(30:49):
but if it does then road trippy enough. Overall, range
as a whole is not a is is not any
EV's strong point for the average man. So at that
point I wasn't really I wasn't shocked that the range
was bad.

Speaker 5 (31:09):
I was more shocked than it was sixty five thousand dollars.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
But you know, that's that's my opinion on it.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
I like it though. I like the colors. I like
its character. I like that it's out there. I just
like that Volkswagon.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
That's a beautiful there.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
That's great.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
I think that's the color that maybe Brittany would even want.
I don't remember if she pointed, she made a comment
about one of the colors. She goes, I wouldn't get
the one that you think I would guess what she said.
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
And I think she definitely would get a warmer tone
like this one, instead of like a green one or
in this case, a blue one. I think she would
get either this one or an orange one, just because
it's so.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
In your face. You don't see many yellows out there.
You don't see many, you know, fun colors like that.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Songs as not black, white, and and a.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
Shade of gray. M I think I like yellow one
more that that does not think I do too.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, anyway, they do have some good colors.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
I will yield that, and I do yield. It's a
good I mean the price is too high, that's quite
a bit. I mean I kind of get it because
it's a ninety one kilod hour battery pack. So of
selling that for like fifty thousand would be pretty hard
to make profitable. But yeah, for what it is, I understand.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
It's so I got some numbers per Yeah, the id
buzz gets an efficiency with these numbers that we know of,
around three hundred and eighty eight or three hundred and
eighty nine one hours per mile. As comparison, the cyber
truck gets pretty much the same with it's three eighteen
mile range, give or take whatever tires that you're on,

(32:49):
with its one hundred and twenty three kill our battery. Yes,
I'm using the gross because that's what's hauling around. As
comparison to Kia EV nine with its max battery, which
gives you a range of three hundred and four miles
for a nearly one hundred kilo hour battery gets you
around three twenty eight what hours per mile, so pretty

(33:11):
much sixty one hours per mile less, or in the
case of those that may not know, a lower what
hours per mile is better. It's a better efficiency contrary
to that R one as it's actually under the IDEBA
is at three forty three or three forty four whate
hours per mile, So getting an R one. Getting an

(33:34):
R one as with its max pack and max range
with whatever wheels you put on, actually gets a better
efficiency but costs a lot more, right, and then Model
X three thirty five miles for one hundred kilo water
battery gets you like three hundred hours per mile. So
of course the thing that looks like an egg has

(33:55):
the best efficiency.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Makes sense, but it should be it should be mentioned
not all that the EPA test cycles are equal, like
there's a separate amount of highway versus city driving, and
I wouldn't be shocked at all if Volkswagen had a
more conservative EPA estimate versus It tends to feel like
the all electric brands will fudge the EPA cycle to
maximize how they look on paper, whereas Legacy Auto, who

(34:21):
still is selling gas cars, tends to be more okay
with EH like I'd like to see a range test
between the ID Buzz and maybe the EV nine and
see what the real world efficiency is because some some
vehicles definitely fall further from their EPA estimate than others.
Some exceed their EPA estimate. Who knows, Maybe the ID

(34:41):
Buzz gets better than we thought efficiency We don't know yet,
but we don't.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
There's my numbers.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
By the way, there's number.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Wow, my little expread.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Hey, it's about as efficient as the cyber truck and
it's forty thousand dollars cheaper.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
That's one way to think about it. So there's how
you can sell six more people? Does sit more people?

Speaker 4 (35:09):
At this point, I'd rather take the Buzz than the
cyber truck, according to Marquez, takes about as many heads.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
I'm tired of standing out.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Like every time I take take the Model three for
a writer, I always drawing attention.

Speaker 5 (35:25):
I'm like, I want to blend in.

Speaker 4 (35:29):
Vehicles.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I know. That's why I'm like, yo, Kia, be looking nice,
Rivian a little bit nice. I'm the one who's always
looking at no one, no one else in the immediate area.
When I see a Rivian, nobody else cares me.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
I'm just like.

Speaker 4 (35:46):
I've heard people say what kind of car is that
that they go Rivian Then he goes who makes it?
Follow up?

Speaker 2 (35:55):
R J?

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Yeah, dude, did you see r J at Pebble Beach?

Speaker 3 (36:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Oh my god, that man is swollen. He looked like
he could.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
Have I found my EV version of Craig.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Show me. This is eve Craig. Okay's gonna find it
because photos there's a picture of r J and Peter
Rollinson sitting in the Lucid Gravity frunk because they couldn't
sit in the R one S frunk that would have
been uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Well, here you can talk about our experience at Pebble Beach.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Drew.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Oh, yeah, we talked about it.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
That was a blast, thanks to Mike being willing to
drive us there. Thanks shout out to Mike for parking
the car so that I could geek out with the chrises.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, shout out to Mike. He was great for driving.
You and me. There are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (36:50):
It's like there's so many mics. I'm trying to remember
which one you're referring to. But no, that was so
much fun seeing the crowds and catching up with the
APTERA team. They were they were awesome.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Right California, Is you guys still be crossing paths?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Oh yeah, no, we heard they were, you know, a
couple hours south of us, and we were like, oh,
we're going, we gotta go. We want to see the
Gamma again. It was also really fun to see the
Gamma prototype at night time. I've never seen it with
all the lights on in the dark, and I was like, oh, dang,
it even attracts more attention at night. But yeah, there

(37:28):
was a ton of crazy vehicles there.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
There's a fair Day Future not too far behind the
Apptara where it was parked. Interesting to see. There's actually
a Lamborghini right behind.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
Heright there on a red carpet.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
And there as we were leaving. Oh yeah, the wart
Hog edition cyber truck had a supercharger.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yes we did. That was cool in person.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Here is some dude apper looking people right here.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
Look at that punch in here we go, dang r J.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Look at those muscles.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
I'd be if I was Peter.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
For those that are listening, or uh, I guess I
don't know who these people are. Of course, you've got
Peter Rollinson, the CEO of Loocid, on the left. You
got R. J, the CEO of Rivian in the middle,
and then the CEO of Ferrari, uh grabbing his name
right now.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Looks like he's about to mess those guys up.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Benedetto Vegna Mike tyson of EVS.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
I'm just gonna say it, almost like it's like father
and son. He's like met my dad today.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
Nobody steals from me. This is Mike, this is my car.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
It's Clark Kent right there. He's just ready.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
Yeah, he's not doing a good job hiding at Clark.
You're that's just showing.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, just the amount of power that is sitting right
there or yeah, right, you got the most expensive ceo
on the left them maybe not biggest. Well, he also
has the biggest Step First company, I guess. But you
got r J in the middle with I guess biggest.

(39:26):
It's a lot of power in his muscles and his
uh quad motor vehicles.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
I need to start doing pushups again.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
You have the Ferrari ceo with very powerful brand name
and uh, very expensive vehicle.

Speaker 5 (39:40):
Looks very European.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah, I like, do you think they all just suddenly?

Speaker 4 (39:47):
You know?

Speaker 3 (39:47):
There you had Peter Rolinson hanging out at the with
the gravity, and then just like RJ comes from the
front to look at it, like, oh, it's the gravity.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
Look at that.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
You got Vigna coming from the back, just like, oh,
this thing exists right yeah, what I know that we're
trying to make a ferrari ev suv right now, Let's.

Speaker 4 (40:12):
See what the gravity looks like.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I believe that's what the first ferrari is supposed to be,
or the first ferrari Ev is supposed to be uh
ev suv.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
So there's gotta be some tension there, Like the gravity
is kind of going directly after the R one s
is lunch.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, I feel like RJ would be a little bit
more excited because this is a product that isn't adventure focused.
It's not even like maybe it is slightly family focused,
but it's very much a.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Lot more focused.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
It's got a whole different crowd that it's trying to
market itself to, though they do butt heads in some aspects.
But range is definitely something that's this thing is going
to be touting a lot more than the R one.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
S define a lot more well, it's like.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
What twenty or thirty miles of range, So it's not
technically a lot.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm like, Yeah, these
guys are kind of neck and neck.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Yeah, but that's like saying a Honda Civic isn't too
far from Am I going to compare to? I'm not
even gonna try anyways.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
I do think there's gotta be a little bit of
a friendly competition going on there. They gotta be like
r one s is Rivian's bestseller. That's the bread and
butter right now, and here comes Lucid at the same event.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
The competition is everybody knows at best they can be
second place through The elephant in the room is the
big giant tea that's not in a in appearance there.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Well, that's what I mean. It's it's not in the room.
They weren't there.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, So I think that's where everybody the camaraderie, misery
loves company. Nobody's the best in that photo. The best
is out there, Schmidt's talking.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yes, there is. We know who the best is.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Come on, now, I know the one that just told
me I need to go back to the gym and
start lifting weights again.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Good grief, he's the guy in the class picture. You
don't want to be standing next.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
To especially me, I'll be like this.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
Yeah, oh man, no, they I think it's gonna be. Honestly,
if I was in the market, I would have a
hard time deciding between the two. R one S is excellent,
Gravity's excellent. It's gonna be a handful of little tiny
features that I think make or break the you know,

(42:56):
buying decision, because that's a popular segment. You know, the
R one S is out selling the Model X now.
So obviously, if we're talking mass market, Tesla's still the
big leader on the block. But if we're talking the
more premium suv you know, seven seater market, you've got
R one S in the lead, and then Lucid entering

(43:20):
with a little bit more range, a lot more efficiency,
a little bit more storage space. But you care about
the off roading, You care about the software. Rivian's probably
got the better software. It's close.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
I do care about the software. Yeah, software is important.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Rivian's got the Adventure Network too, which is kind of
got thrown a network. Oh those are good. Those are
some sweet looking.

Speaker 5 (43:52):
I want to look the hood of that thing.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Yeah, it's so close I can almost taste it.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah, that's red Kenyon.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
It looks like a brighter red than.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Well, it's in the direct sunlight.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
It almost it almost looks you thought it'd be iPhone
thirteen red when really it's an iPhone.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
Isn't fourteen? When I was really bright?

Speaker 4 (44:21):
Yeah, the fourteen was crazy bright.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
It was the salmon.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
No, no, that's twelve twelve yeah, twelve with salmon looking.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
This turned to it just talking about colors. Man, talking
about colors, did you guys callected?

Speaker 5 (44:36):
What a terrible transition.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
So I'll acknowledge myself. I don't hate this.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
So what I've got on the screen for those that
are listening is, at the this is still thematic because
this was shown off at Pebble Beach, or at least
talked about a Pebble Beach. Was Cadillac unveiling a concept car,
so most likely not. I look like what we see,
but they call it the Sola concept and it let

(45:07):
solay like soul. Now I want sun and lay being
I don't know the Hawa anyways, they chose this specific color,
which looks like a muted banana, very mute like. Think
back to the nineteen fifty seven imagine the colors that

(45:28):
were in cars and inside houses and all that think
about a tan not like a wicker.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
It's I don't have to That's what my house is.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Okay, so this is you now know what Andrew's house
looks like on the out side of this Cadillac.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I don't know. It reminds me of like a nice
banana pudding.

Speaker 5 (45:48):
Yeah, I see. I see a banana and cream thing
happening here.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
And some vanilla wafers.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
I see fifteen yellow in this.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
This car makes me angry.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
It makes me feel like, I don't know, I almost
had creamy, but that doesn't sound right.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
It almost It does kind of have that color banana
cream pie. No, anyways, your favorite Dutch it's a convertible.
Uh so, who knows whether this comes out? I think
was it the uh oh goodness Maserati I believe beat

(46:30):
him to the punch with an ev raza maadi. Okay, anyways,
I thought this was very interesting as like a way
for Callac to show off something that isn't a crossover
suv but is a very unique design and something that
we don't really see in evs is convertibles or the

(46:52):
color that we haven't seen since the fifties.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
Yeah, if my nana was still here, God read her soul.
This would be her car.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Oh yeah, that is. She was a.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
Cadillac the head, Yeah, that was that was her jam.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
She she was a Cadillac or a Lincoln, depending on
you know what decades you decided upgrade.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
But this, this is a car I would see her driving.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Leisure. So this is sun Leisure. This is the name.

Speaker 5 (47:23):
This is old This is old money.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
That's how I describe it.

Speaker 4 (47:28):
This is this is you've got ten years to live money.

Speaker 5 (47:32):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is that. Like I don't care,
and I'm just you.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
Know, eight year loan.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Sure, go ahead in front of me, you know, go ahead,
I'm staying here in the fifties.

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Just the time could keep going.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
It's a shame. It's a concept. I'd really love for
something like that.

Speaker 5 (47:48):
There's something about this color.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
You know, it keeps going back to this yellow thing
like we did it with the id buzz and I'm.

Speaker 5 (47:53):
Doing it here.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
I just I want to see more color. I know
it's very artificial and just purely aesthetic. It doesn't do
anything but look at it. Even in the concept, the seats,
the side mirrors, and the even the rear view mirror
for the convertibles in the old person's car anyway, a convertible.

Speaker 5 (48:12):
It's so, this is like.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
What I might be going through one after because the
more I look at look, here's the front part.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
Dang, yeah, use something.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
It's whoa. I'm sorry, I'm sorry that's getting picked up
on the mic.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
No, I'm sorry as well.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Oh that's I don't hear anything.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
I can hear.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I can hear F twenty twos right now, just fine
around as well? Watch they thought I found the time
portal to go back in time because this car looks
like it belongs in the fifties.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
It does. It is kind of like I want a.

Speaker 5 (48:57):
Banana yeah, mid century modern?

Speaker 4 (49:01):
Yeah, come on, we don't if you're not going to
sell a lot of evs anyway, Cadia, Like, why don't
you just release these kind of things?

Speaker 3 (49:09):
Oh no, there's more photos.

Speaker 4 (49:13):
Give it. Oh yep, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Is the bunt so funny? Wow?

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Yeah, you got to dress up to get in that car.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I feel just looking at it, this is more and
more like a banana green pie.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
I'm so hungry for dessert.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
Jeez, you know that's why you know that's why McDonald's
uses yellow for the archers is because they figured out
that yellow yellow color makes people hungrier, and it's this
car is proving that accurate. I'm getting really hungry just
looking at this.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I just had in and out and and I'm like, oh,
I should go back for more.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
I don't think they have enough screen stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
So what there's a big like screen that spans the
whole dashboards, even the dashboard that you can see it's
further back in your shield.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
It looks like.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Accelerator pedal.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I was looking at that as well. It's a concept,
so I doubted make it to.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
The one of the photos that you showed.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
It looks like if you push a button and a
little screen is just gonna come out of nowhere, and
then you know someone's going to tell you what your
mission is. And then except oh, does it have suicide doors?

Speaker 5 (50:33):
That would be so sick.

Speaker 4 (50:35):
Like they just open what there's like a seat belt
in the embedded in the side of the wall. Yeah,
what the.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Open normally you can tell them. This photo anyways, is
a very beautiful concept. I think they should definitely go
forward with it.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Yeah, I feel the same way about the Honda. What's
it called saloon.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Another one.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
The opulence.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
I don't like that at all.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
A million things that I'm like that would never work.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Oh goodness.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Yeah, if you're if you're asking for advice, Cadillac, I
would say that the banana cream car. That's pretty.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
It looks like it'd be in the was it the
Atlas movie that had the apptair in the canoe in
It looks like this thing would be in that.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
That looks like Christopher Nolan's Bruce Wayne with.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
This is a canoe six person autonomous ev.

Speaker 4 (51:43):
The id buzz is better than these because it exists.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
This is not a warm reception. This is very cold.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
How do you see out that thing? Is it just
supposed to be a ROBOTAXI?

Speaker 3 (51:52):
I think it's just.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Unlike the cruise system.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
What is going on that's right there?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
The thing has a terrible drag coefficient. Yeah, I would
defund this section of GM. I think they're spending too
much money.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
I don't know. Banana car is like the best idea ever,
and it's a it's a problem.

Speaker 4 (52:14):
It's an idea. Even your best idea is just an idea.
If you can't ship it, what's the point.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Well, it's the thing. They've got legacy money, so they
could back it up, something like Lucid trying to make that. Okay,
they have sowdy money, cermon, trying to make this would
not happen.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
We're gonna see Tesla's concept in October if it doesn't
get delayed again. I nope, boy, I'm excited for that
roadster though it's supposed to come out next four years ago.
I'm really pumped.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah. Just like a jet engine on the back that's
gating pumped out of it because it's hydrawl and anything
else going on with the the thermodynamics of the engine
that they have to stick into that thing are just
going insane.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
It's just like the Gadget Mobile. If you've seen that thing.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
The Gadgetmobile is so so much better.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
Just as real.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
At this point, I like, hey, you look up the
Gadgemobile and you just get nothing but lego sets what's
going on here? We go, Nope, that's a AI generated Okay, nevermind,
We'll get into the AI generated stuff in the other podcast.

(53:37):
What do you guys think of Tesla offering the was
it three year super charging for free for five thousand
dollars at the model X and S thing.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
I did the math, and I think for like ninety
percent of people, it's not worth it. It's assuming a lot.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
For ninety percent of people, it's not worth it. So
I did the calculation as well. It costs five thousand
dollars and it only comes with the Model S RX,
So you get like base price Model AS which is
around I think seventy four thousand, not including incentives or whatever.
So you add on extra five thousand dollars. But then

(54:21):
you get three years of free supercharging. And I broke
that down and pretty much I'm net even with that.
Like if I was paying for supercharging here in the Bay,
which is high electricity costs, and I'm having to drive
about fifty miles a day, it pretty much adds up
to about five thousand dollars over three years for my

(54:43):
use case. And I with many coworkers that I know
they drive further than fifty miles. Even though that I
live a decent distance away from my work, there's many
that live a whole lot further. And granted the Model
S and X are very expensive vehicle, around seventy thousand dollars,
getting something like that to offset the cost of electricity

(55:09):
both at your home due to PGNI here in California
for a lot of people here. So that's my situation
right here is a little bit more localized, depends on
where you live and what electricity costs at whatever times.
So maybe that's where the ninety percent factors in. But
I feel like a lot of locations might have a
somewhat similar situation going on with electricity kind of boosting

(55:32):
up and or uh, you just don't have them.

Speaker 5 (55:36):
Might get to it. You're hanging on to electricity thing
too long? What's what?

Speaker 4 (55:40):
What's the final I'm listing. I'm like that, what's the numbers?
I'm trying to figure out how you got to five
thousand dollars in three years for electricity? So I didn't
find that.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
So pretty much. Let's see, Uh, I looked at my
previous supercharging statements, and they range between twelve dollars to
about seventeen dollars or eighteen dollars, depends on the day
and the time and all that. Twelve to seventeen dollars,
so let's just say it's about fifteen dollars. You take that.

(56:19):
I charge about two times a week because I have
a model y that does not go its epas to
made range anymore because of degradation.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Yeah, So I'm charging two times a week as supercharger
in the morning. Let's just say Tuesdays and Thursdays. I'm
charging it up from twenty or ten percent to about
eighty or ninety percent whatever that is. Anyways, that would
cost about that's about eight times a month I'm going
to a supercharging station to charge, so that's fifteen dollars

(56:52):
times eight.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
Under twenty yep.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
And then from there that's twelve months out of the
year that I'm pretty much doing that.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
We'll just go straight to thirty six because that's three years.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Okay, so that's around four three hundred and twenty dollars,
a little bit short of five thousand dollars or whatever,
but pretty much it's in the range of Okay, that's
on a good week that I'm not doing anything else
with the car. I'm just taking it to working back

(57:30):
fifty miles. So that's not taking account going to get groceries,
going to the beach, going to visit you, or anything
like that, any tricks with the y going upstate, going downstate.
So I would say I add up pretty much to
around five thousand dollars on daily use of my car
over three years if I'm just purely supercharging, and then

(57:53):
we're not having a factor in PGN costs because those
are insane. We're just gonna stick with supercharger costs. So
for my specific use case or situation living here in California,
it gets close. But then you have to consider the
fact that I have to buy a vehicle that costs
about twenty or thirty thousand dollars more than what the

(58:13):
current model Y costs.

Speaker 4 (58:15):
Oh yeah, no, that wouldn't even be So you've.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Blown off the whole idea of paying five thousand dollars
for free supercharging over three years unless you live in
a high electricity costs area and you may not have
it set up at your home and you drive a lot.
I think those are the only reasons. And you're in

(58:40):
the market for a model S REX, I think a
love checkboxes need to be checked in order to satisfy
the idea of yes, I will get this package.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
And based on the math we've done, I mean, consider
that a lot of people are not paying pg NEED
prices across the country, and our situation's weird because we
both still have well we all I think still have
free supercharging miles, so we're heavily financially motivated to supercharge
when at least where I live, the supercharger still costs

(59:13):
more than PG, and if it weren't for the free miles,
I just be charging at home. So you're baking in
a lot of like I'm going to give Tesla basically
an advance on all of the cost to charge the vehicle,
and for FSD, the premium connectivity, I'm pretty sure they

(59:35):
just throw in there because it sounds cool. It's not
worth very much. It's like a little over one hundred
bucks a year, so they include that free for three years.
It's like, okay, it's I guess it maybe locks in
the price, but like you're guaranteeing at point of sale
that like you definitely value FSD, which based on at

(59:59):
least the last few years of seeing people pay for FSD,
I don't think you should price that in. If it
gets really good, they're going to give you another free
month anyway, but if you paid for this, you wouldn't
get to take advantage of that free month. Or let's
say you go on a longer trip where you're away
from the car, or for instance, you're in a bad
collision and the cars in the shop. You're still technically

(01:00:19):
you've paid for that FSD during that whole time the
car is not available to you, Whereas if you paid
for it by the month, you could cancel it on
the months where you're not driving much or you're away
from the car the car's in the shop. So there's
a lot more money to be saved. I think just
going month to month.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Well I didn't realize is that it also includes FSD
for those three years and pre connectivity.

Speaker 4 (01:00:45):
Yeah, which, but I don't think you're valualuable.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Yeah, if you don't value it full self driving, but
you do value watching movies, playing games, browsing the web,
listening to your Spotify players, having to do the Bluetooth
connect and all that, which already does. But like how
the app bill tin and not having to go through
a basic menu that doesn't really have the skip buttons for.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
I'm not trying to sell you on like premium connectivity
as a feature. I'm saying paying for it monthly versus
paying for it three years in advance. That's what I'm
debating is like, would you want to pay for something
that far in advance, I don't think like you're gonna
save all that much unless, like you said, the charging
is the most valuable thing. The FSD is just kind

(01:01:29):
of like a oh hey, let's try that again. But literally,
everybody I talked to who bought it, that's not a
you know, Twitter influencer doesn't use it like they paid
for it, but they don't utilize it very often. And
I would rather them just pay for it one hundred
bucks on the months you want it and then cancel
it on the months you don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Just I was tackling this more as the utility focus
of getting electricity. If you are someone who travels a lot,
I'm actually interested in a little bit more is what
your opinion on it is, Randy the drive anywhere pay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I don't like the idea of future paying for or
paying something up front for future promises.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
I'm just not I don't like that. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
I think you're right on this one, especially if it
takes like three years to break even or to save money.
I'm like, at three years, if you've got to spare
five grand laying around, hey, if you're a I'm not
even trying to disrespect the hyper bowls out there. If
you love robotaxis and you love Elon and everything, I'd say,
put that five grand in Tesla stock. Yeah, and that'll

(01:02:36):
be that'll be worth what a million dollars in three years? Right,
that's what they're saying. I just don't know why you'd
put it towards things that are, not, in my opinion,
that expensive in the first place. Just pay as you go.
It's probably going to be close to the same price.
And Tesla just got all your money earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yeah, it's like asking me to pay for the next
three years on my electricity bill here at the house,
and I don't know what that's going to look like.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
And I don't want to give you that money up front.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Even if it's at the end of the three years
for the electricity thing. They oh, hey, you didn't use
as much as you paid, so they'll.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Pro rate the rest or something. That what you just
said right there, Dre, I would rather allocate that money elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
For the next couple of years. I trust me with
my money better than I trust.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Them, right, I agree. I also highly advise against buying
a model s RX anyway. They're hard to justify right now,
you can find use models that are not that old,
that are much much cheaper, even refreshes, and that. Honestly,

(01:03:53):
I have a really hard time justifying the Model S
at all, even if you're ignoring the used market. When
the Model three performance exists, that thing is a steal
for the money. Like, okay, it doesn't go you get the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Model S because you can't get.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Because you want the money, because you want the Model S.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
That's how that will star too, if you want the
Model three.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Pull star. Yeah, the bs T is cool.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
This lucky son of a gun. You see that, Drew
or not Drew? Randy?

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
Did you see that?

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Drew?

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
You got to see the coolest car?

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
Probably did he did it because of you. You're the
one who talked him about it. Time I did.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
And then I watched the video and then I saw
Marquez droll about, and I saw Drew go.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
Yeah, it's kind of cool, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
It's not every day, Hey I get to flex on Marquez? Okay,
he get on me three hundred and sixty yeah, five
days a year.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
No, yeah it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
And when I saw that, my first thought was, like,
I rather live in New York or California.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
But I don't want either.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
My question that I should have asked the CEO when
I had a chance, what what do you guys think
will come out first? The Pollstar six or the Tesla Roadster.
Mike did not hesitate to answer that he knew right away.

Speaker 5 (01:05:35):
I hope it's the roadster.

Speaker 4 (01:05:37):
Really, I hope it is. We're gonna get a lot
of sudden here we go. I'm just, oh my god.
I was just imagining, like, Elon's gonna endorse you know,
so and so. I'm not going there, but Elon's gonna
endorse so and so and be talking about how great

(01:05:58):
of a president or how great of a canon that
he is. And then all of a sudden, all the
roadsters come out to the for free to the YouTubers
and they're gonna be like, so, uh, Tesla just gave
me this roadster. They're like, so you want to interview
Elon with the roadster? And they're like, that's that's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
No, thank you, no, thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
Shout out to Louise for really making the Polestar employees
feel at home. She was great.

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
She was she your camera operator. While to ask those.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
That she she asked the first question. She was very forward,
and Mike just showed in the video like she was
like the cheerleader. There was this big speech he was
giving and he was like, oh, we're here to celebrate
the launch of the Polestar three and the four shortly later,
and Louise was like the first one, like you know,
she starts clapping and he's like, yeah, that's right, get pumped,

(01:07:03):
get excited. And then I would her, Oh she's the best, She's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
We don't talk about casts here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
I'm speaking the gen Z slang. I need to feel
as important as some random.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
CEO that Louise met.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
Well, what happened was I was speaking with him. Of course,
I didn't want to like whip out the camera and
just start talking to him immediately, because I'm not a jerk.
And so I started talking with him and I was like, wow,
that your vehicles are beautiful, you know, like I hope
you're proud and everything. Would you be open to a quick, little,
you know, five minute interview or something like that, And

(01:07:43):
he just immediately looks at Dean, their head of communications,
and he was like, I think you're supposed to schedule
with him or something. And I turn around and there's
a line of journalists that are waiting to talk to him,
that have pre scheduled interviews before me, and I was
just like, oh god, I'm so sorry. It's like I
didn't know that there were people's scheduling interviews. I was like,
please go ahead, go ahead. So I just thought it

(01:08:05):
was like general meet and greet. And it turned out
there were other people that were like waiting to talk
and I was holding them up. Wow, I was delaying them.
I was like, oh, please go ahead. I didn't have
anything scheduled, so do your thing. So I let him
get interviewed by the actual journalists and media people first,
and then he was being swarmed after this speech. Everybody

(01:08:28):
was trying to talk to him, and Louise kept saying,
get a picture with him. You should get a picture.
And I'm like, he looks really busy. I don't want
to interrupt, and she was like no, no, no, no, we
can do it. Just just like say hi, just like
shake his hand and ask for a quick picture. I
was like, okay, but he was being asked by a
lot of people, and I was talking to the employees.
I was like, I don't want to be rude or anything.
And he said, they said, don't worry about it. He's

(01:08:49):
used to it. So I just kind of cut in
a little bit when he was talking to some of
the employees, and I said, could we take a picture
really quick? And Louise just started recording the video right then,
and so we post for the photo at the beginning
of the little interview portion, and uh, then I didn't

(01:09:09):
even ask the question right away. Luis just as they
were taking the picture, said how much is the BST
going to cost? And then he starts talking with her,
and then she hands me her phone, which is running
the voice memo. That's why I'm holding her phone. So
we really, uh what do you call it? Tricked him

(01:09:29):
into doing that little interview?

Speaker 5 (01:09:31):
Yeah, you did.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
It wasn't scheduled or prepared for him.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
And you're like, I'm gonna yet my interview.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
I start asking question, we need that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:41):
Type of on the floor journalism out there, Drew, You're
doing the lord's work. Get out there.

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
I gotta say, though, it's a really fine line. I
don't recommend doing what I did, because you could very
easily turn into a jerk that starts cutting people off.
And I was I was lucky enough to catch him like,
you know, mid sentence and in a free moment, and
then just start talking with him because once you start,
now people are like, oh, he's in the middle of something,
so we have to let him do his thing. And

(01:10:07):
then by the end of it, he was, you know,
super friendly. It was like Louise was like, can we
get one more picture by the BST. She's she's the
queen of figuring out how to get into all these things.
So we go over by the BST and he's telling me, no,
you got to touch it, you got to lean on
it and stuff. And I was like, oh, really, I
thought we couldn't touch it. He didn't care.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
He was like, no, go ahead, I'm pretty sure I'll
authorize it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:33):
Thank you, I would say to the Polestar team and
in specifics for this video.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
I am their head of products and Dean the head
of communications also for being so cordial and letting us
ask questions. We didn't interview them, of course, but we
got to talk with them a while. But yeah, he
was the one telling me you got to touch it,
you got to lean on it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
That's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
You just you just like you know what that was
because that was such a novice move. The people who
don't know what they don't know always make the best
stuff because they're not tainted by barriers and rules.

Speaker 5 (01:11:11):
You just it's like going up to Elon, can I
get a photo? Like instead of going through pr you
just did it. You're like, hey, can I ask you some questions?
You what?

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I totally get what what Luis was on about, because
like if you.

Speaker 5 (01:11:25):
Just go up there and be like, so, hey, can
I get a photo? Smile now that you guys most like, what.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
Do you think about? Like?

Speaker 5 (01:11:31):
And what did you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
She was She was not in the camera mode on
the iPhone, I'll just put it that way. She was
on video mode from the beginning and was like, we
can always lift screenshots from the video. Yeah, you're always rolling.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
You've always loved the design of Volvos. Yes, he's the
reason I know. He used the head of design at Volvo.

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
I looked him up after after this year video drew.
I was like, I know more about this guy, and
the more I researched about him, the more I'm like,
I like this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
They're very much. I think I felt a lot more
clear headed after talking not just to Thomas, we only
had you know, a few minutes with him, but I
talked with Graham, their like head of product and design,
and they're head of communications, and just other employees there,
and it really helped me differentiate the products more after

(01:12:33):
talking to the employees, because Mike can recall it from
previous videos we've done about Pollstar. With Pollstar, I was
always like, there's way too much overlap, Like these products
are too similar. They all they're all kind of just
slight variations of the same thing. But once I understood,
it's a lot more about design and a lot more
about performance. It's a performance and design oriented brand. It's

(01:12:56):
not about you know, the necessarily the most storage space
or the most amount of seats. It's like how it
looks and how it feels to drive. Those are the
two biggest, most important things for Polestar. They wanted to
carry a certain personality with the exterior the interior, and
you see that a lot when you sit in the

(01:13:16):
Pollstar four versus the three. The three as a bit
more of a classical, you know, it's air suspension versus
the four being coil suspension, and the four is a
lot more techy, So it's like they have one literally
intended more for older demographic or people who want a
bit more of a familiar design, versus people who are
more cutting edge, who want the latest software and latest tech.

(01:13:38):
It's like we, at least I tend to look at
cars as just like, Okay, you're the three row suv,
you're the crossover, you're the sedan, Like, you know, how
do these separate themselves? But Pullstar was like, no, No,
there's a lot more to a vehicle in its intended
market than just how many seats does it have? Or

(01:14:00):
you know, is it tall, is it short?

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
You know what that's called.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
After you talking, no, after you're talking to him, you're
talking to Chris, you talking all these other companies non
Tesla's that are ev only, that's called you get sucked
in by their perspective reality distortion field. I get it now, Oh,

(01:14:25):
I get it now.

Speaker 4 (01:14:26):
I'm not saying it's the best business model. I'm not
saying I prefer it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:32):
All, but you are. I can smell the kool aid
from your breath.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
How do you know I was drinking kool aid?

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
I'm okay, to be fair to give Randy some credit,
I did do a fair bit of research on Pollstar
after this event, because I was like, I don't know,
I kind of like the idea of driving a vehicle
that I could say I met the CEO of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Who You've met so many CEOs at this point you
can drive at least.

Speaker 5 (01:15:05):
I still can't get over how tiny that fronk is.
That just irritates me.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
Again. Performance styling, stop it exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
Field in your three and Y Yes I do, yeah, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
I really said yesterday. I love the front We use
that a lot. Yeah, it was powered, but the Polestar
four looks gorgeous by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
It's yeah, you got to check that as well, which
I'm glad that you did. So way very comfortable that
I'm just raving like a crazy man about it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:42):
No, you rave about the ID buzz.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I don't think that's raving.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Raging. Yeah, you rage about the ID buzz. You rave
about the Pollstar four. I did a fair bit of
research though, into the Polestar too, because that's a lot
more in my price range, and as cool as the
Polestar staff is and as much as I love the design,
I think the Pollstar four is my favorite looking crossover.
I think it might come out a little bit ahead

(01:16:09):
of the Machi for me, which was my previous favorite style.
Even with all the things I love about Polestar, that
that first Pollstar two they released was pretty bad. I'm sorry.
It was not a great entry to the market. You
think i'd Buzz is bad. I'd Buzz has more range

(01:16:34):
than the Pollstar too, and that's supposed to be a sith.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Yeah, but the thing is, the Pollstar two came out drew.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
So did the Buzz. It's out come on. It's not
out who can buy in the US, but it's out.
The pole Star two launched in Europe to first It's out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yeah, that's great, But at least the Pollstar two came
out in the United States. Here's the thing. We're a
US based podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Buzz is going to get scrapped. You think they put
it on the EPA US base.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
My world one is that I'm here to stay that
every Now they have to Espanol and then everybody in
South America can catch up.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
No, the new Polestar two is good. They fixed a
lot of the problems with the refresh. I'm talking about
the first pull Star too.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Isn't that came out Start one? Then twenty nineteen, the
Pole Star two came.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
Out still for a sedan to get two hundred and
thirty three miles of range with a seventy eight kilo
hour pack.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
Like early that was, but it came out and it
exists and it has improved over time. The id buzz
has it come out yet in the United I.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
Was gonna say you should, like you could use that
on argument against you, like you're not giving any buzzy chance.
The point it's still not saying the pole Star two
got good over time. That's what Raindy. I'm done about that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I'm talking about the idy buzz. This ridiculous products. It's awful.
I hate it. I don't like the colors are fine.
Pollstar was.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
If you go to the Certified pre Owned section on
Pollstar's website you can see the Pollstar too. They're selling
them for pretty low prices, and at first I was like,
that's a pretty good price for what it is, and
then I looked up some long term ownership reviews and
I was like, oh no, that's not a good price. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
Aging Wheels is a guy that I watch who owns one.
He hasn't really been too happy with the long term ownership.
He's got so many quirky videos.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
I watched his review too. He was he did not
have very good things to say about it.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
No, I like that name. That's a cool names.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
All right, Well, we're gonna wrap it up here because
I let us and I'm going to lead us out.

Speaker 5 (01:18:53):
And I'm tired of seeing you guys knock at each
other about the buzz.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Buzz on out of here.

Speaker 5 (01:19:00):
There's this buzz on out of here, ladies.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
And what why you saw my face?

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
I was gonna say, speaking of ladies? Uh, the Pollstar
got excuse me? Oh, on anytime, anytime I talked to
friends and family members about Hey, I met the CEO
of Pollstar. The first question was what's Polestar? I've never
heard of that? And second of all, is that the
real name? Is that the name they went with? Like

(01:19:28):
there were so many people that didn't like the name
because of how it could be misinterpreted. And I will
also mention that at least if I was looking to
buy another EV for the sake of the channel, Polestars
don't bring in that many views. I'm sorry they're.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Not a pollster. Two.

Speaker 4 (01:19:47):
No, I mean meeting the CEO was like a ten
out of ten. Ten of ten on the YouTube studio page, Like,
people would rather you talk about Tesla bundles than interview.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Oh, they want to hear about the Testa semi that
caught on fire recently and why that's such a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
I didn't think that Tesla Bundle was that interesting of
a video. But it's getting more clicks than the meeting
meeting the Polestar CEO.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
That is such a shame. Don't look at the analytics.
I'm such a victim.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
I don't mind. I thought it was fun regardless, But
I'm just saying that the clicks aren't there, at least online.
There may be a lot of Pollstar fans, but they
are not very connected. No, it doesn't bring in the
watch time. I'll say that much Aptera does.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Because the thing is like app Terra is such a
weird name, style design, reel choice.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
No, it's like its own market. There's like nothing else
really like it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:46):
App Terra three syllables, three wheels. App Terra literally means.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
Nothing, wingless flight.

Speaker 9 (01:20:56):
It means yeah, you you guys know that's if no
one could sit here and say, oh, I can tell
you what Tara means. It's like I said at least
test would be like, oh, it's that guy who did
electricity that makes that's clever, makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
A lot of people don't know that red.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
That's so.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
A tara is. According to merr Webster, a tara is
a wingless parthen a logenic female aphid that lives on
the definitive host plants, producing other generations of like aphids.

Speaker 4 (01:21:37):
Well, Randy's point has been made that no one would
know that.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for join us this week.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
It's been fun new.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Definitions and uh and talking about how great or how
terrible Didy buzz is.

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
You let us know what side of the camp you are.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Team Drew, Tine, Team Micah.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
We are all at we are lacking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
We we are aptera multiple apteros is an app TERI.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Listen, I don't give up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
I don't care they give any Bye, everybody, goodbye,