Ep. 193 - Ford’s Horrible Idea - Tailosive EV Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to the EB podcast, ladies and gentlemen. Randy
is out of the trunk. Finally, who are you people?
I forgot to walk in the frame. It was very
noisy back there, but and bumpy. Yeah, at least it
wasn't the frunk. No right, not the frunk. No, unless

(00:40):
it was a lightning, that would have been more a
lot more space in the light that would have been space.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
But then we have to deal with ads.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (00:47):
What do you mean? No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ford just recently has found a way to bring ads
to your car. They've patented a certain process in ads
on the screen in Ford Motor Vehicle VI cars.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Charge that ride.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
They patented it.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
They patented it. That's how people found this out.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
So okay, they haven't made a formal announcement, No formal announcement,
but an.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Ad what a horrible part to at least add here
on a nice little patent filed by Ford my company.

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Thank god for Apple car Play.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I wonder if he'll take over or go over the
Apple car Play. It'll just be layers and layers of things.

Speaker 5 (01:28):
You and I were just talking giving high praise to
Ford as one of the more innovative legacy automobile maker
companies to be you know, willing to grow with the times.
This is not the innovation I was talking about. It's
technically innovative.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
Definition has this been done before? We're getting it?

Speaker 2 (01:53):
In the was it the tesel phone app?

Speaker 1 (01:55):
We get?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, at least I do. I get ads pretty much
saying hey, if you refer this person, you get five
hundred dollars back. Oh, I see what you I mean
you can wipe it away, which is nice.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I haven't looked at the phone app recently.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Since they better stop doing that because Ford has a
patent on it. Well, there could be patent infringement.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Phone versus car, I guess in that case, I mean
there's probably other ways of doing it without infringing on
the patent.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I'm actually grateful Ford patent that it. Maybe that
means no one will copy it. They're like, oh, we
can't scenario. Oh man, why would this be something they
need to patent?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Probably in the specific way that they're going to be
presenting ads, I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Why they Google?

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yeah, probably they probably think I mean they're getting up
there in terms of well now Google is still probably
rising way up ahead of more for my company and
both stock and assets and everything else. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
But at least the way that I think of it
is it's a way we've got screens in all our
cars these days, oh yeah, and so forth. We probably

(03:01):
saw an opportunity of, oh we can I don't know, advertise,
Hey you want to get a deal of battery diagnostics
or anything like that, or oil and I know what else.
I was gonna say oil to feel, but that makes
no sense, because all right, but it's probably I mean,
it might not just be straight for evs, that's true,

(03:23):
also be for gas vehicles by an EV puts right
on this, No, I'll play Devil's advocates.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Bought the wrong car? Yeah all right, how can you
sell this? A discussing person?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
So why why do they put ads on anything? Right?

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Like selling services?

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Right?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, well buy our data.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
The better answer I'm looking for is to make something
cheaper slash free like YouTube is free with ads. Right,
It wouldn't really work if there were no ads. As
much as we hate the ads, the site couldn't exist, Like,
there wouldn't be enough money general rated from the traffic
if it went paid only no one would use it right, Like,

(04:04):
sure the ownership would tank if it went like you
have to have premium to use this, so they're probably
not doing that like a free car. But is there
a price, and the audience should answer this too. Is
there a price in which you would tolerate an AD
in your vehicle, like if the vehicle is this affordable,
or maybe it just brings down the least payment a

(04:24):
certain amount that you would start to go. Okay, AD
is annoying, but if it saves me money because they're
getting revenue through other things, maybe it's maybe it's worth
it to someone. I'm reaching. Yeah, you don't feel confident
you're going to say you can keep paying what you've

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been paying for our cars and you're going to get
an AD.

Speaker 5 (04:49):
Or now we're going to have you pay a premium
for no ads where ads never existed.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's more likely, and I hate that. It's gonna be
like Tesla's premium connectivity. If you pay for premium, then
there's no ads. But if you do nothing, we're gonna start.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Here's the way I'm thinking of it. Another well known
company which we mentioned it before, Google but specifically YouTube,
does this already, in which they base a lot of
those ads off of what your search history is. So
I'm projecting this, but maybe it's based off of location
of your vehicle. That's a good point in the businesses
nearby that are buying ads on the radio or internet

(05:31):
or anything like that, pops it up on your screen. Hey,
by the way, there's McDonald's around the corner. Do you
want to get McMuffin.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's true hyper centralized locations like Ways.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
But sure, yeah, that's what that's exactly what Ways does you?

Speaker 5 (05:47):
I'll get a sponsored ad when I come to a
stop and I'm no longer in motion, and it'll say, hey,
Starbucks here.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Did you know?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
By the way, with Starbucks, if you buy one, you
also get one when you send up to our McDonald's.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
The same thing, Shell Chevron.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I hate this world. I hate the world we're in
because you know they're all having these exact same conversations.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
A screen in front of you.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
They're like, not only that, it's a highly specialized targeted
ad campaign. Now instead of just like what Google does
where they say do you want to run an ad
campaign in this region, you could be like, I want
to run an ad campaign on this street rather than
pay for a billboard. Now you can put ads like
when the car gets on this road, it plays this

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ad where it gets a pop up and I hate
this so much, but this is so they're so going
to do this except Ford Petton did it, so they
can't write is that in.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
The way that they are patenting it? Which I have
to look more into.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
But from the photo that you shut us, yeah, it
takes over the whole screen.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
It looked like just right on the center consoles a
selected ad, just like right around the events. Yeah. I
mean it's exactly what everyone would expect screen.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Right next to the ad on the website, just like
that thanks to.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Their free website. So there you go. But like to
the price question, would would you take a free car
if it ran ads all the time? Here's something to
add on to it, you know, paying for premium connectivity.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
You weren't doing that before. I think you're doing it
now with credits.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
I did with credits because I've made a pact that
if they added YouTube music, I was like, that's my okay,
that's the goat, that's the service I use. I'll do
it if it has that. But I haven't been impressed
with it to be honest.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
That's my thought is in what you're bringing up before,
Randy is base price, vehicle whatever, not adding on anything else.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
You get ads.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
But if you pay for the premium connectivity, oh you
can open and close your garage, you can play YouTube music.
You cannot see ads anymore.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
If they bundle it.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Now, if you incentivize me with other stuff and no ads,
that's a different conversation.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
It just turned into YouTube premium again.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
I like YouTube premium. I don't like YouTube premium on
cars cars because YouTube is a the thing about the ads,
at least for me. How here's why it's kind of
rubbing me. Funny ads on media consumption makes sense because
it's passive Europe being passive and everything. It's it's a

(08:23):
passive relationship you're having with either YouTube.

Speaker 6 (08:26):
Hulu with ads, Netflix with ads, all these add things.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
All that makes sense, And I don't care about the
ads like that.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
But imagine a world, and I know this is not
in our lifetime, but imagine like I'm doing some type
of workshop and you.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
Know, I have a song. I'm just I'm using the
tool and then the tool just locks and goes. Did
you know you can upgrade this tool?

Speaker 1 (08:50):
There's a new one by saw Premium, yeah, or.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
Like even a different What's funny is like this, I'm
using a local brand, but then the competitor comes up
on the ad. Oh and like it just hijacks it.
An AD on a utility. It feels icky, it.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Does, and a vehicle is a utility, especially a moving
vehicle where you're supposed to be Like, but that's the thing.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Ways won't show you ads unless you're at a complete stop.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Oh yeah, they could tell, they would.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
They would know, but still we're using. I kind of
tolerate that.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Actually I don't tolerate the ads on Ways, which is
why I don't use Ways. I use you know, unfortunately
I use Google Maps, but I like Apple Maps the most.
If they start putting ads like down there, you kind
of blearn the line. If it's passive, maybe I'll be
a bit dismissive. I don't really care, because in a way,
Apple Maps does show us ads when you open and

(09:42):
start zooming in, somethings pop up before others that that
is intentional, before you start really punching in. Some people
are paying for certain ads, and people don't pay for
an age wants until you get to the very very
end of the you can't punch it any further. I'm like,
I'm pretty sure it's a UPS store. Then I have
to get to the very very like other the EPs story.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
That's ads. I didn't know they paid.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
What they're paying for.

Speaker 5 (10:04):
Okay, as on the developer side, what they're paying for
when they put that stuff on the Apple Maps. I
don't even notice about Apple Maps. I don't know how
Google does it. You look at the globe, you start
pinching in, pinching in. Eventually those things start to come up.
Certain things are prioritized, just like in search engines, and
same for like if you were going to your search

(10:27):
for the maps and you go restaurants, certain restaurants will
come up before you start punching in, and the ones
that you through punches because those are mom Pappa shops
that don't pay for any ads.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
But somehow McDonald's is always.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
There's that is because it is a AD like feature
without it saying sponsored or whatever. There's something something because
I don't know the nuances of it. There is a
sponsored ish thing for utilizing the maps system the architect
of it, but not I'm trying to target it to

(11:01):
Mike and then Drew and then Meat. It's so it's
how you punch in in a sense like that the
ads I don't as a utility, it doesn't really bother
me because it's very passive.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
But if like, how and I'm.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
Just taking out face value is hijacking the whole screen
and I'm driving, and even if I'm gonna stop frustrating,
I don't like. I don't like any utility being hijacked
for for ads.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
It doesn't, it doesn't make sense. It feels icky.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
It does.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Something that says here in the article is that it
will limit the amount of ADS based off of the
mode that you might be in. So like, if you're
an off road mode, maybe it's less ads. But then
I thought, what if when you go into off road mode,
it just starts throwing ads at you, regarding whatever off
road tires or road gear and all that. Hey, we
noticed that you're all the way out here in mo

(11:45):
app why not get some Was it skid plates or
I forget what they are out of? Was it the
rescue paddles that you put underneath your wheels when they
just keep on spinning the sand or mud.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Pick them up at the local or right, it's right here,
come over here to yes, we'll ship them there, or
they're already in stock or whatever. Yeah. I mean I've
been in the past two gas stations that have ads
on the pumps.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Right, you're just pressing every single button.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Trying to mute.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah. So I was just thinking, like, well, I guess
I could see it at a supercharger like you plug in,
and it'd be like, maybe this would be the better
way to handle it, and be like you plug in
at a supercharger, it's this much per kiloed hour, but
then it's less per kiloed hour with ads to offset.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
That's a nice way of putting it back. I don't
think they would. We already went to the Electrified America
station on the way here, just well not because we
plugged in, it's just because it was right next to
the supercher.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
We haven't talked about, and I haven't heard the full
full story that we really haven't talked about your guys's trip.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
My first thing is hearing you talk about Electrified America.
I'm like, fill me in and the audience, the audience,
I am the audience right now. Okay, how was a
multi day ev trip?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Then?

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Only about the the electrified America part, but just what.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Happened, how did it go? Where do we stand? And
have has thoughts changed after doing that commute.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
It was really weird when Drew pulled up to that
one guy's house and I was asleep and then tried
not getting in and couldn't because he wasn't help.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
His name wasn't Quinn Nelson.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
Which is weird because he told me the exact same
story except that he was naked.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
All of us said that, I don't know, Well, why
of us? I don't know?

Speaker 2 (13:39):
No, So Drew picked me up from the Bay Area.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
We uh, that was an extra long drive for me. Yeah,
I'd had to start at your house, not mine, right,
that was a lot. To be fair, you had work
that day, that's true. I went to Tello, which that
video is already live if you haven't seen it, filmed
all that stuff and more stuff that hasn't come out.
Then after that went to your place. It had a
nice meal, and then left super early in the morning.

(14:06):
And a lot of it was a road you'd already taken,
but not in my car before.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Pretty much ninety of it was roads I've taken. The
last ten percent was from uh, you starting the road trip? Yeah,
so for the road trip, I guess better way to
plant that was or to spell out is we started
from the Bay area up through was it north state
Sacramento area? Yeah, through Tahoe kind of yeah, on the

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road that leads to Tahoe and then into Reno.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
It was beautiful out there, yeah, those mountains and all
the rocks, right.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And then we recorded a podcast around that time as well,
in between Reno and Elco, I think for the ev podcast.
And in that we saw a Tesla semi on the
road that just so happened to camera. And that was
after we passed the Gigata factory.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Nevada was pretty far past the factory. Yeah, it wasn't
even that close.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
But you visited the factory.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
We drove past it. There's no way you can visit
the factory. You need to take a road that goes
off and there's a couple of gates before you even
get in.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Aren't we allowed to visit as owners? And that thing?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
I think they thought of that, but I thought that
was the thing. No, I don't think they do. I
mean it had poor reviews. Remember that there's a pin
that says Tesla Semi fact. I was just editing the video,
That's why I remembered. But it said Tesla Semi factory
and we tapped it and it was at like two
stars out of five and they were like horrible like
way and hard to get in, the terrible logistics, horrible party.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah place, no place to fill up my tank.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
There's supposed to be a large charging station there with
solar cover as well.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Well. There's definitely a mega charger, at least for the semis.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I think there's at least three.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, I've seen them film there where they park them
all and they're plugged in and drive off.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
But yeah, we saw none passing it. It was only
when like thirty minutes east of it. Yeah, we then
saw one with some test load on it, pretty much
a whole bunch of cement blocks.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
There's a short one, it wasn't the tall, which I've never.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Seen is the one that I've had in my notes
for so long to talk about. Yeah, and it's been
like a year and a half since.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
Now we can find.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Yeah, well it's like a year and a half since
it was first spotted. I was gonna bring it up
like a year and a half ago, but so many
topics over the last year and a half that it
just never came to be a topic until we saw it.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
They must have been range testing it, probably because the
blocks don't need to go anywhere. I'm guessing No, it's
just John sent blocks, not that direction. It wasn't going
towards the Fremont factory, so no, I'm pretty sure it.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Was going into that rest area to then turn.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Around back to the gigafactory. Yeah, I wanted to see
how far they could get it. So that was a
perfect time to podcast because it was just empty.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Best that's what we're planned, because it's gonna be cool,
like beautiful trees. It's an road that Drew hasn't been
on before, so it was fun admiring everything in the
time area. Yeah, and then we get past Reno, it's
just desert, right.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
I wish I could appreciate Tahoe. Literally every time I've
ever passed by.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
There was a fire.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Oh yeah, there's a good.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
Chance I've never actually seen tahow I.

Speaker 7 (17:16):
Haven't either ever we passed funny like why why when
you get out there and across the border and against Arino,
Like it's not fire and everything's clear.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I'm like, I've here, I hear about it so much.
It's very close by to us. Yet I've never been there,
been to Thailand, but it's we've just never but different. Yeah, yeah,
it's right there. But anyway, it was it was a
scenic route.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
You were surprised with you, I have superchargers in that area, though,
I well, there's one that this Chevron, there's one.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
We've passed many yea. Even though we're in the standard
range Tesla, it was not like we were barely making
it to each stop, like we had options along the way,
even though my range now at full is less than
two sixty and I've got winter tires on the front still,
so that's not good for your range. But we made it.

(18:12):
So yeah, we lived.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
I mean so in the first day, we went all
the way from Bay Area to Salt Lake City, right.
And the portion of road that I've not been on
is past Elco, which is like on the northeastern corner
of Nevada, right right, which there's nothing out there pretty much.
There's some settlements, of course, but yeah, beautiful time.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Anyways, Nevada is like eighty percent federal land probably, yeah, no, yeah,
it is it's weird.

Speaker 5 (18:40):
So like what you're saying, it's like you guys have
to just drive by, like I'm here to tell this
for day one.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
I'm like, God, it sounds.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
So literal dry because desert, but also like you can't
really do anything and you can't see anything because they won't.
People aren't allowed to build out there because that's government land.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
There's some plots of land that they have kate four people,
but it's filling.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Up your tank. Two haves to be a thing.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
You guys were talking about the all these multiple charging stations,
and you had told me and I saw I want
you to kind of elaborate a little bit more of that,
even though with all these charging stations, evidently you're going
to the slowest charging stations.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Dat pretty much well, I.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Think it started on the second half of the first day,
once we got to uh it was past Winnemucca.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I like, how you remember the name?

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Who was it, Johnny Cash Cash. Yeah, he has a
song about Winnemucca. He's been everywhere. But that's when it
started hitting the V twos. But I don't think there
was any other choice. On the first day that was
the only charger.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
No but to be fair, we didn't really have much
going on, right, and it still seemed pretty quick. We stopped,
went to the bathroom, stretched, and all that.

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Where the station or where the rest stops die for
you guys.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Three of them were pretty much the same layout. They
used the same fencing to hide the cabinets, and then
they had about six charger stalls.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Looked like the exact same crew was just stopping by
plopping the same charging equipment, pretty much like they planned
for this route for Winnemacca. And was it the one
that's right before you go through the border between and Utah.
I forget the name. Yeah, yeah, because it was super memorable.
All I know is that the chargers kept stopping as

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at places where you couldn't fly the drone.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Every single place that we went to I go to
because I brought my DGI MA have a Mini two
or whatever, and I thought, oh, you get some nice
air shots. I think the only place I got an
aeroshot that day was Winnemacca. It didn't have anything west,
windover and windover.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
It was one I think it. Yeah, right before you
hit the salt flats, right, there's a big airport there
as well, right, before the time changed too, right is
it right on that border, So it's like ten minutes
after leaving that charge or the hour changed.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That confusing a little bit. Well, what we're supposed to
get there at eight, but this is seven and then
time changed, oh eight, Yeah, they moved up. So yeah,
it was a decent It was like maybe seven stops
about seven.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, salt Lake. That was the other part that I
didn't see salt Lake proper the fields before getting I
guess to the great salt Lake and then you're in
salt Lake City. I've been in salt Lake City. I've
gone north south. I've never gone east west. So that
was that was the fun part for me, is not
going between Elco and salt Lake City.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
That was all unknown to me. And then the second day,
which we'll get to, was also a little bit of
an unknown path.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Right, did you like it going east west more than
north south or which which asking for a friend, If
I was to do this commune.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
North south is the best in my opinion because you
get all the beautiful red rocks.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
That is.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
All right, though you were a lot more favorable for Nevada.
After the second day when we were in Wyoming, right.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, Nevada had at least some mountain ranges in the
distance to look at. There was some rock formations, there
was that tunnel. There was some stuff to look around at,
but not Wyoming. Oh no, oh, there was nothing. There
was no elevation inside. Oh.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
You guys were on the eighty the whole time.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I think, yes, until we got to I think Laramie,
uh huh. That's when we split off and then went
on whatever it was. But yeah, the beautiful stuff was
in darkness, unfortunately, because we left it saw Lake City
around like five five thirty, Yeah, and it was all dark.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
You can see the stars clear as day. Right, it
was beautiful, but.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
You see silhouettes of beautiful hills right like you could
tell it must have looked good.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Something was dark. Yeah, it was dark as heck, and
so you contained. Then by the time we get out
of that, daylight hits and it's just plains as far
as the horizon.

Speaker 4 (22:59):
The thumb of Wyoming's on the north side.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I believe.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Yeap.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
We found it not fun. Yeah, we found whatever wasn't fun.
But Wyoming made me realize what some of these commenters
have been saying about why evs don't make sense there,
because I was starting to see gas under three dollars
a gallon. And we walked up to that Electrify America
station right by our supercharger, and it was sixty four

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cents of KILLO one hour. I have never I've never
even seen a supercharger in the bay that.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't know if you have fifty cents, it is
probably the one that screams out to me. Yeah peak hours. Yeah,
normally that's the most I've seen. It's fifty five, fifty seven.
Maybe if I'm in LA during peak hours. I've seen
sixty sixty one, but never sixty four that especially in
the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
This was not during peak hours.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
No, I could fly my drone there as well.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Right, we actually got There's nothing to see though, yeah,
I mean it's just there's one yeah, nothing, but you
can see how outrageous these prices were. There was one
Rivian charging there, and that guy we got in, he
was there and we charged up to everything that we
needed and we left and he was still there. Mm hmm.
So I'm sure he wasn't getting great speeds. I mean,

(24:17):
Rivians don't get great speeds in general, but paying sixty
four cents to fill up a battery that big and
and gas is that cheap?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I'm like, what surprised me as well? I guess I
forgotten the first day was the first or second day
I saw a lightning towing a trailer out in Wyoming.
I guess it was. It was just out in the
middle of nowhere. I was very surprised. I think I
maybe called it out either the podcast or in the blog.
You mentioned it, yeah, but probably in the blog. It
was weird seeing that we were just like charging, is

(24:48):
he okay?

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Like what is he doing? Like because we knew how
long the stretches were between our super charging stops and
he doesn't get those and.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
The ones that were stopping our V two. That's why
we're saying it was surprising because I don't think lightnings
can charge it V twos.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
No.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
V twos have a different communication protocol from V three,
which is why we're pretty confident from what I've understood,
from what I've heard that V twos will never be
open to non testlas. They are permanently Tesla only chargers
unless they do some big retrofits or community I don't
think they will, so I'm like, we don't even have

(25:23):
that many options out here, and he's towing, so we
know his range is half of ours probably are close
to half, sure, because the lightning doesn't have that big
a battery. There's also a lot of incline that he
was going up. Yeah, we were going down for a while. No,
the best lightning still only gets like three twenty miles
of range. Yeah, so cut that in half. Yeah, I

(25:44):
was worried for him. It's like, I hope there's EA
stations I don't know about because he's gonna need them
out here.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
We weren't trying to find him.

Speaker 5 (25:52):
No.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
In fact, I was very surprised that we're hitting a
lot of V twos, but we were getting in and
out in decent time.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah. No, I mean the charging curve of LFP. I mean,
you've road tripped with a long range why and now
an LFP three. Would you say there's a noticeable difference
in charge time or did they feel pretty somewhat equivalent.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, but it's been a while since I've road tripped
in the Y Yeah. Sure, but though I guess daily
usage even charging in the V three, Yeah, it still
felt the same.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, I mean it you've got more battery, so you
could be there longer to fill up higher.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
But we were racing for a while or not racing.
On the first day, we got to a charger. I
think it was in Winnemaca, or maybe it was before
that we stopped and then no, it was it was
in uh, it was past Reno.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
It was probably Friendly Friendly is when they started. We
started racing another Tesla to Teslas technically, so he knew
because they had a very special rap. It was a
gray rap on it kind of a what's it called.
I don't know if it was your death kind of
changed colors, yeah, or a little bit yeah, put it.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
But it was a Matt gray with maybe a little
bit of sheen Model three. And then there was also
a gray Model Y that came after him. And then
we kept on going to the next charger.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
Did you guys win We Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
It was like so when we first got to the
firmly one, they came maybe a couple of minutes after us.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, almost the same time. They plugged in about five minutes.
So that was a good gauge of like, okay, we're
racing now. We didn't know where he was going.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
We just didn't know what types of who cares what race?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, I mean he had he had attachments for days.
It looked like a performance to be Yeah, I guess
it could have been a standard race.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Side view mirrors were custom as well.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yeah, he had the rims were custom as well, so
the rim.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think they were. But the spoiler was really big.
He could have just totally souped up a twenty nineteen.
I think standard range because we went back on the
road obviously from front firmly to winn Amacca and then
he pulled in a little bit later.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Two thirds through our charge he pulled up.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, we were almost done and then he pulled in. Yeah.
You guys were like hey, and I remember West Wendover.
I think no, it was ELK something OK, something in
between winnamakaus Wendover. There's another place where we got lunch.
That was a V two and it was packed so
we only got seventy two kilowatts. It was not very fast,
but we had time to run and grab lunch and

(28:28):
right I think just as we were unplugging, it's about
two minutes before we left, he pulled in.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
You were like winning, Yeah, so it was like did
you did you guys?

Speaker 1 (28:40):
What was happening.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Reason for you is like it's another model, a model,
a white Model three.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
For you guys like, ah, he did have good taste
in clothing.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
He was very well dressed for this drive.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah we were not. I I mean, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
You look great today.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Today, I'm all fait. It's my metiversary with my wife,
so we're going metaversary. Yeah, I gotta dress up a
little bit. But that day was like I'm gonna be
eating pop corners in the driver's seat for fifteen hours.
I don't care how I look. So I guess the
last thing that kid was right before we went over
the salt Lake at West Windover.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
We were just about done and he came in as well.
That was also busy. There's like a Cyan model y
there as well.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
That they were fighting. There were too model whys waiting
to plug in and we were about done and we
were like, boys, you probably think I'm about to unplug.
That was actually I was like, no, they were. They
were quick. As soon as we pulled out, one of

(29:46):
them was like I think it was the same one. Yeah, yeah,
and someone else with him as well, and I got
a pickup truck. I was looking at the charge stats
for the day, and I think that's the most electricity
I've ever pulled in a day, because as normally when
I rode trip to my parents' place, I plug in
at their house, but it's all one tenure, so it's
very little. At the end of the day, I usually

(30:08):
pull in dead and then start charging, you know, one
kill a lot, very slowly. But on this one, after
we got checked into the finest hotel in the West.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Sarcasm.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Yeah, that's a huge sarcasm, I went to the supercharger
to top off to one hundred to make sure that
we could leave with a full charge in the morning,
and I checked the app. It was two hundred and
forty four kilo hours. Wow, in one day.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's like one hummer.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
Oh yeah, that's I didn't think of it that way.
I was thinking it's four cycles. Okay, we we extracted
four cycles out of my battery with.

Speaker 4 (30:48):
Just aged car. By four cycles, I don't And that
was on the way here.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah, well on one day. Yeah, all in a less
than twenty four hour period. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
And then there's the second day going all the way
from Salt Lake City to Colorado, which was then I
think it was less than the distance and time.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yeah, he did. On the first day, it wasn't it was.
It was like two hundred kilo hours, but it wasn't
quite two forty, which is like I thought that was
a lot. I tweeted out. I was like, what's the
most you've ever used? And someone else beat me immediately.
They were like four hundred kilo hours one day. I
was like, well, what kind of tesla is it. I
was like, if it's a cyber truck, that's probably not
that hard, and he said, no, that's a long range.

(31:27):
Why he just didn't stop, just kept going. He did.
He did a twenty eight hour drive, but he just
didn't sleep. And I was like, oh, well.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
I had that type of stamina memore, I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
That's pretty exhausted. That's one way to do it. Yeah,
but no, I can't. Can't recommend the hotel. No, that
was sketchy.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
But our idea was get in, get out.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, we weren't gonna be there long.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
It wasn't enjoy the fluffiest pillows, the amenities, nearby.

Speaker 4 (31:56):
Finest hotel in the West, impressively slow Wi Fi.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I was genuinely like, wow, I didn't know they made
Wi Fi like this anymore. I thought we're in a
major city, they probably have fiber everywhere. And I did
a speed test. Couldn't hit one makeabit. It was measured
in the kilobits, and I was like.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Wow, this is impressively bad.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I didn't realize you could get internet this bad. But yeah,
we pulled in late, left early, so we figured, don't
don't go all out a place you're not going to
be in for very long.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
And we got here in decent time. Did it take
us too long?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
We got to hearing around three left, got him out
of the trunk and everything.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Yeah, that was a very uncomfortable. I don't know what
was going on, but I didn't feel safe that night.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
But oh the last point I'll make about the EA, Yeah,
just to give you a stark contrast, is it was
sixty four cents at EA, but the supercharger, the V
two that the V two was I want to say,
thirty four cents.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
It was basically half or close to half.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Can you imagine on a road trip in one gas
station is like six dollars a gallon and the other
one is three. No, they don't. None of the gas
was six bucks. I mean people will go to Costco
to save like fifty cents on a gallon, whereas here
it's like so drastically different, not to mention one is

(33:20):
super unreliable. Those cables were huge too.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
They were like, well, yeah, because that's to accommodate different
sized vehicles, right, different shapes.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Well, I'm just saying I'm not surprised those stations are
more expensive, yes, because you can tell, like it's got
this big old screen, it's really tall, all this high
volted wiring and they've got uh little strings to hold
them a little tension. Yeah, so you can pull it around.
And I was like, no wonder these places are so expensive, cheez.

(33:50):
Whereas this superchargers, like how long? How short can we
make the cable? Here's a fat short. You don't need
much more than three feet, right, that's enough. And they're
all backed like there were several superchargers where it looked
like I didn't know that they'd been backed into. The
spencers are like pushed over, but they work, which I

(34:10):
think is how they should be done. Make it cheap,
but it works, you know, it's just it functions, and
it could tell some cyber.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Truck and ain't the prettiest dance.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Someone backed in with the cyber truck and just I
almost saw that happen the other day before uh the
road trip started.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
There's a cyber truck that pulled in at the same
supercharger I was at right before work, and he got
pretty close. I was just thinking, how do you back
that thing into a supercharger?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
They're too dang big. They're I'm biased, but they're too
We saw.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
One nearby last year when we came back from a target.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, and it was was it wrapped?

Speaker 2 (34:53):
It was wrapped blue hexagons.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Damn, we're in a new different It was a ad
though it was bad. Yeah, it looked horrendous. I didn't
like it at all.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It's probably one of the worst ones I've seen that.
That's what I've seen is all white and then it's
got the logo on it.

Speaker 4 (35:09):
Yeah, I've seen one of those thing around here. I
was telling you guys that I'm seeing so many.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Cyber trucks out here now yep, which is weird for
me because I'm like, oh, I don't feel like it
would be seen here. I expect that in Denver. But
I also noticed that the cyber truck. Each cyber truck
I've seen, but with the exception of one has some
type of detail on it or some type of overall
like sticker on it because.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
It's joking about it on Twitter. Wes is like the
engineer for the cyber truck is like working really hard
to make sure there's no logos and it's as clean
as possible. Everybody QR code, Instagram plug.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
The cyber truck is the advertisement. That's the eye catchy part. Like, dang, it's.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Just they've made some of them so bad.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I like that you said that because also when we
were getting close to your house, we supercharged.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Oh yeah, and we off pretty.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Much every single tesla except for the roadstert. So we
pulled in there was a three Y and an S
in the same row as us, uh huh, and then
later an ex pulled in, but just right before that
a cyber truck backed in, and then not like a
minute or two later, another cyber truck pulled in.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
They were too, charging right in front of us, and
we went, this is what the future is like. We're
just going to be surrounded by them if this production
keeps up with this.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
There was a nice guy though at the charger as well.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, that was kind of wholesome, wasn't it. He was turrowing,
I think, or yeah, he'd never driven one. He turowed
a long range model. Why you could tell because he
didn't know where the charge port was. He backed in
next to us and he's like.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I saw movement out of the car and I'm like,
what's going on? And then I see this guy trying
to take the cable to the back side of the Y.
I was thinking, what are you doing? And then he
was trying to pull it further to go to the
further side of the Y on the back right.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
No, open the door.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Hey, the port's hidden right there, and he's like, where
on the quarter panel?

Speaker 4 (37:07):
So my coolest charging experience not even close to you
guys who have seen every single Tesla. Yeah, and I
think I said this to you guys. I don't know,
but I'll put next to Mike just in case you
have to ask yourself. You have to ask yourself or
cyber truck.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
You had both so you have come.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Ye, So there's the ravin yellow.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
I was just excited to see a cup of yellow
in person, to be honest. And then cyber truck and
that was my first why documents because that was the
very first So that was actually up in Denver, on
the south side Denver. But that was my first cyber truck.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
I saw with my canostick or no decin like, okay,
this is privately.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Owned, No one's doing it, yeah, finger plat, And I
can see the guy struggling to charge the cyber.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Truck because the cable can't reach or he doesn't know
where the actually let's let's we can they do say
they intentionally try to hide the charge point.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
I'm going to try my but is nice for a
design perspective, but as you and I both right.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Down, okay, right, okay, So oh yeah, he parked wrong.
That's a you're supposed to that's one of those mumble ones.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
I know.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
He's supposed to pull in.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
The struggled and then at this exact location.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, because that's that's the one by the airport. Yes,
my wife, it's there, those mumble kind. Yes, it's a
big megapack okay, battery the other side it doesn't show.
So they're the kind that can just drop off more stalls.

Speaker 4 (38:42):
Okay, So one like that. So he pulled out. There's
there's there's one right, oh too, soon.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
This is gonna be real fun for video watchers and
audio audio listen.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
Well, I'm talking why I'm trying to touch this because
like the layout. I guess after the fact it's confusing.
Sure not for me, because back passenger, I'm trying a
three or white, whichever one was. But that one, that
one right, there's one right there, And then you got
this one and this guy struggling in the cyber truck.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Because he backed in when he was supposed to pull
forward exactly.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
So then he backs forward, he pulls forward again, and
he proceeds to get over here.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
So he kept he kept going the wrong way. And
I'm just like, so about that compass shallow?

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, the Rivian might have actually fit better on that one.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
I feel bad for the guy.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
I wanted to go help him, but I was like,
I don't even know what I'm doing with your cars.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
I'm not I can't help it.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
But everyone's watching him just struggle because everyone's like he's
too big, Like people have to try to avoid him,
and he's just.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Struggling. It's so funny.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
That's honestly my biggest complaint with it. I really I
really don't mind the design. I like the way it looks.
I like the eye catching this. I love the steer
by wire. I got to test drive one again last week. Again, Yeah,
with my barth because I promised him. Remember when we
went to the Owner's Club meet up, I promised him like, hey,

(40:06):
we could go check out a cyber truck. They never
showed up. I was like, sorry, Mike, I thought they
would be here. But then they started offering cyber truck
test drives to everybody now, so I said, let's let's
both schedule one so that we can maximize our time
with it. I'll book one for this time and then
you book one for the interesting anybody. Yeah, and they

(40:27):
were available.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That day, okay. So I tried looking for this. I
think it was the day.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Of that okay.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
And so it just wasn't in my area somehow, yeah,
or the option just wasn't there. It was just the
sexy line up.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
It is a busier area, but yeah, where I live,
it was like next hour. They were like, oh, do
you want to do one right now? Like you could
walk in and test drive. It's cute. So we got
to test drive again and I was like, yeah, I
mean it's just too dang big and that they built

(41:00):
in as many tricks.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
As for you, for me bias of course, even model
for you.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Now even Rivian Mike was like, you know, is trying
to make it really agile, doesn't Is.

Speaker 5 (41:14):
He still Rivian Mike if he doesn't have a Rivian
I know you watched these YouTube.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Rivian mic Are you still Rivian Micro?

Speaker 1 (41:20):
He's got a lot of Rivian stock.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
You're Rivian Michaels, and I respect team paid the price.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I come on, I mean he's owned more Rivian than
any of either ramas. But he the analogy Hughes was,
they're trying to make it as agile as possible with
the four wheel steering and the steer by wire. But
it's kind of like having a really agile elephant. Okay,
it's so he doesn't.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
Like to seb a trick in it.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
He was like, it's he said, I wouldn't trade my
ram for this. You still have to fit the elephant places, right,
he said, I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
He wouldn't trade is ram for it either.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
No, even if there was no money involved, and they
just said we'll give you a cyber truck of any
spec for your ram.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I because looking at the maintenance costs for the Y
and the RAM.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Right now, the RAM is winning, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Like does it? Is it really winning for cost?

Speaker 1 (42:24):
It might be pretty close on maintenance.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
They're both around the same mileage right now, and so
the RAM is actually supposed to go in for timing
belt in the whole.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
I know this is an EV podcast, but I'm gonna
very honestly, which one do you enjoy driving more? O?

Speaker 1 (42:38):
The Why?

Speaker 4 (42:38):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
Obviously? I mean besides right now, with the suspension making
a lot of noise, why something with your car? There's
always something saying the noise is getting louder on the
front right now. I was just thinking that the RAM
has had no issues. There's been zero issues. We took
that thing all the way across the country back no issues.
Why is driven only in the city and then down

(43:01):
to LA and up to northern California and a little
bit into Reno.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, control arms.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
The problem is that it's an early built, so there's
not saying truth to that electric vehicle?

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Bad. You're the reason. You're my lesson. You're the reason
why I won't do an early build for anything anymore. Good.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Let me be the lesson forever.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't know though, because like, I don't think there
was The problems you're having are not what I would
expect from an early bill. It's the kind of thing
that like control arms and suspensions don't change that much.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
It started with the hatch not being aligned right, and
so instead of that was a part fixing it, they
just replaced it because it was trying to rub against
the body and that was in the first YEA one
hundred miles plus or whatever. And then second major thing
was the control arm. I would say, the control arm.
That's a very common problem. Yes, that's being seen on everything.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
You're not alone.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
What are we talking about? The control ms?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
So there's a what looks to be like a horseshoe
shaped with like a knuckle on it that connects from
the body to the suspension in a way or at
least has a lot of Yeah, is this visible to us?
You can look for it. Yeah, it's in there. Not
super but yeah, but pretty much. I don't know if
I probably talked about this on the podcast. Pretty much

(44:17):
some of the TESL engineers did not logically think with
the windshield how water drains out of it. It doesn't
just go up and over or off to the side.
It can go down and there's supposed to be some
drainage drainage pads in that well. It just so happens
that that drainage path is white on the upper control
arm for.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Tesla's, so all the water just trickles. It goes right
on to that joint between the control arm and the
rest of the assembly below, and it wears down and
makes that thing squeaky. And I mean, it's not a
huge issue. From what a lot of the service guys
were telling me. It's just noisy. It sounds it terrible.
It's yeah, I remember you turning your steering wheel and

(44:56):
it was like it was terrible. But sadly it is.
Still they haven't changed that design. From what I can tell.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
What they were reassuring me with is that they well,
I feel like he was saying the opposite. He was
saying they change the design or at least did something
different with the stack up. Okay, so that way water
could not intrude on that joint. But you were telling
me on the road trip someone went through two of them.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah. I talked to someone online that said they had
a twenty nineteen bill so kind of close to your
I was a little older, and after fifty thousand miles.

Speaker 6 (45:31):
I was flirting with the camera. Anybody watching on you
two us flirting with the most Hello. So he hit
fifty thousand miles, needed a new one, same problem, and
they assured him. And this was in twenty twenty two
that he got the new one and they claimed, we
fixed the problem, so it should last a lot longer now, like.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
It shouldn't be an issue. And then he just recently
hit in twenty twenty four, one hundred and fifty thousand
miles very abnormal, maybe not abnormal, more than the average,
much more mileage, and it went bad again. So this
is his second control arm. But the good news is
they're not a crazy expensive part. I was about that, No,
but when was I warranty right, which I kind of

(46:13):
write after basic warranty. I hate that. I hate that
they've basically designed it to be like make sure it
outlasts the warranty, but not much. That's when it fail.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
Yeah, and now the suspension on the front right is
having issues right at like ten thousand miles after the
basic warranty, right, yeah, Like if it was happening before
it was way after, I'd be like, okay, sure, that's fine.
I've been driving the car a lot, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
A little more forgiving it, like one hundred and fifty
thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
It's just been so many different things that have been
happening with this early build model.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I'm just like, And what he told me he thinks
they did is they just made the control arms have
a little bit more rubber sealant. Okay, I don't think
they've re positioned where the drainage is. No, I just
tried to make it a little bit more water tight,
which made it last for him one hundred thousand, but

(47:00):
not not indefinitely, which a lot of cars never have
upper control arm replacements, Like I've never done that on
my Sonata that's at like two hundred thousand miles. No,
I'll take a gas car. I don't know. Maybe it's
different because it's a heavy EV, but it's a weird.
There must be some cost cost cutting advantage to it.
I don't know why else they would do that.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
Same reason why we don't have the arm grip thing.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Oh the OS handle.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, Well, does this experience like turn you off?

Speaker 4 (47:30):
Shoot?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Right? That's what I wanted to ask you on the podcast,
was like, after all these because you were telling me
how bad the customer service can be.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Oh yeah, they were supposed to call me last week.
They just didn't right after many messages and you explained
the problem. I explained the problem there, they don't address it. Yeah,
They're like, well, it's gonna cost you like four thousand dollars.
Then I'm like, first of all, this thing was supposed
to be like one of the items on this service ticket,
one of them are supposed to be done in the
past service. And they said we'll do it on the

(48:00):
next time you come in for service and it'll be free.
But then they said, actually now they want, Now they want,
And then some of the other things. It's like, no,
that's not what's happening. Here's what's going on. And then
like sometimes like this will be in good faith, just
to educate the customer. It's just like tires, like.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Oh, yeah, you were having a tire trade.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I'm on my third set of tires. I think we
talked about two podcasts ago where you got new tires
on the three and I got new tires on the Y.
I'm now getting tread warning.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Where it says you need to rotate the tires and
they're like brand new. Yeah, they definitely. You can see
the tread on the tires. They're not. You don't need
to rotate them.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Get all four of them. They all look new, spick
a span, And there's a warning every single time I
park at work or at home, it says low tread warning,
Please rotate tires or see a service center. And so
I explained that to them in the messaging service and
they said.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Well, clearly, you just need to rotate your tires.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
We're getting some of that Colorado.

Speaker 5 (49:00):
You know's how the arm going on the clouds came
in so much now you can't even see yep, it's
slowly working its way over here.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I'm gonna get a car walk.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
And me, I was like, here, Goush, Randy did this
on purpose, usually walks out this window, or as we
did on the tech podcast, I want.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
You guys to get some Colorado experience out of here.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Cover the control arms.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Anyways, he didn't understand what I was saying, I guess,
and he was just like, uh, we'll educate you on
why you need to rotate your tires.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
He thought he was complaining that, or like, oh, are
you sure those tires were new?

Speaker 2 (49:35):
From America's tire. I'm like, I know they are because
the guy messed up and put him on a different
model why that day, which I already explained on.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
The place Now, I'm so yeah, that's been anyways.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
That's terrible. The why has been a headache, but much
more needy ironically. Yeah, the gas vehicle, yes.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Which is something my wife has noted and I agree with.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, it's hard to argue.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Which is why someone was at Tesla or someone else
said hey, here's a cyber truck by me, I take
your ram. I'd probably say no.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, you use it for towing, yeah, and hauling and range,
And the same thing with Rivan Mike. He's like, yeah,
you don't worry about range with that truck because it said,
you know, thirty six gallon tank. So I'm sure it
costs a lot, but I mean so does a cyber truck.

(50:29):
Like you know, you can pay a lot of gas
and not hit the price of a cyber panel's flying
off because it's only glued on. And that was also
that's a weird. You can feel it on any cyber truck.
You can go up on that little top that the peak,
the peak of it. You can pull on the little
edges and it's like, yeah, that's just glue. It's it's

(50:49):
not bolted on. It doesn't scream durability.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
So don't take a gun to it or a sledgehammer, or.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Just don't peel it.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Yeah. Doors, yeah, you can wail on those. But the
top piece, Yeah, that thing.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
That goes from the kind of like where the repeater
cameras are. It goes up on the side of the
vehicle above the windows and then can peel right off.
You just feel the thing right off.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Man.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
I remember, for the long us.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Saw four of us at the time, you mean, Nick
Drew were just like the cyber Truck's gonna be the
best thing ever.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
And I remember, like I was the only one for
so long to have seen it in person. My guys,
this is the future. Now. I haven't seen one since.

Speaker 5 (51:34):
Yeah, and you guys, I just hear one after another
and nothing, and then Nick would worry about the cerber truck.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Nick was right, valid concern, But yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Know if I was approached to trade him for a
cyber truck. I know, I know you don't care for
the strategy, but I w was around sell it. I
would take it in sell it.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Oh yeah, well that's different. I mean that takes it
outside it. Do you want one hundred thousand dollars? That's
basically what the question becomes if you're willing to sell it.
But if it's like that, yeah, you probably wouldn't get
that get eighty ninety. At this point, people aren't paying.
You're seeing all wonderful things now, hu, well this was.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
The rest thing real? Was that actually a thing? Or
that is a thing.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
It's just I think it was overblown, Yes, like jelly gate,
like most things. Yeah, I mean all vehicles have.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
You've never once complained about jellygate on this thing? No? Overblown?

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yep, I agree. I don't think most people would notice.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I'm not looking for it like that.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
But that's that's my point, right.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
If we pixel peep on anything, you can, I'm I
was doing it with you showed me some I.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Was like, I'm pixel peeping on purpose the phone.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
The old Andrew Fane like, when if you try to
find something, you will find something nice sspect that's the
same with cyber truck as jellygate on the iPad.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
But surface rust is a thing on all vehicles. That
could happen. Yeah, on the side truck. It's a bigger surface.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
It's a bigger issue because it's exposed metal, even though
it's rust or corros exo skeleton. Because it's rust and
crosion resistant doesn't mean that it's impervious. No, that's why
you put a rap on it, like the ones that
adds on it, and you're actually protecting it while providing
your business some advertisement money.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
It was service, I guess.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
Mike and I did an EV without you once and
we were talking about the rustling.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Thing, and you you laughed.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
You told me you had laughed at me the whole
like I don't think.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
I don't think rust means what I think it means.
You got my head about what I think.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Everyone was visualizing that like within a year these things
would just be like completely rusted out and falling apart.
And I haven't seen evidence of.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
That hanging on Michigan for a whole year. But I
know that salt and inclement weather.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I don't think it grows at the rate people are
assuming for those videos. It's like you wipe it off
when it when you when it's bad, you know, you
keep it clean. But a very similar thing can happen
to any other car, and you just pay a little
bit more attention, I guess because there's no paint, but
I don't I haven't seen anyone that's like, oh, the

(54:18):
whole thing. I'm more worried about that peak piece falling off.
I think there's bigger problems than the rest, but.

Speaker 4 (54:25):
Not the whole accelerating pedal thing. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Yeah, I think I think they're gonna quickly run out
within the next year or two of people willing to
pay for the Foundation series, and then they're going to,
similar to what they did with the Y drastically start
cutting prices because I do think that is, at least
at the manufacturing level, it is probably the cheapest electric
truck to make to make, yeah, like compared to a

(54:57):
Rivian such bells and whistles yea now to buy. But
the huge battery pack and the Silverado evs that's how
you get range.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeahs, at least right now, because energy density isn't that large.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Especially if you're towing. You can't rely on arrow to
help now because now you've got a big, un aerodynamic trailer.
So at the end you kind of just need a
big battery. But cyber Truka is the smallest battery out
of just about all of them except I guess now
the LFP Rivian is smaller capacity wise, but still, I
just think Tesla is going to turn this into Model

(55:33):
Wi Slash three super cheap. Like, Okay, the specs aren't amazing,
but can you argue with the price. I think that's
their long game with it. I think it'll get very,
very cheap.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
I'm very cynical on that, but we'll see.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
But if it's all about demand, right, If not.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
From Tesla, they will get cheap in third party aftermarket.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Yeah, sure, Well, I just Tesla doesn't usually like keeping vehicles,
like hoarding them an infantory. They would rather sell them
at a loss than hold on to them. So if
the demand dwindles, which it probably will, especially at this price,
then they will love it. They'll just keep knocking it
down until they find that fulcrum of Okay, we're selling

(56:14):
a good amount and the demand is good at this
price on the top of the cyber track. Yeah that
once they find that sweet spot. I mean, that's what
they do with the three and Y the same thing.
So a few years ago the price was much higher.
That's when I bought and now it's much much lower
than me.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Yeah, you did the same with the life again beginning.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
Brittany reminds me of it very often.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
Why did we buy this thing because we needed it
in the moment it was worth what it was priced
that in the moment for us, she was, Yeah, but
if I were just wait six more months, I'm like
story of fall things in tech, I guess.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
That will always be the case. Yep, pretty much like
the tech is always getting cheaper and better in some regards.
So I think most people have cut onto that they
figured out like, yeah, just wait a little longer, you'll
save a bunch. But is this what I wanted to
ask was has all this experience scared you off from
like you're not interested in buying another Tesla product ever again?

(57:15):
Or would you be open to it?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
If, of course, you put me on the spot like
this right here, where I can't run away.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You could say, I don't feel comfortable committing.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Telling them the truth.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Mike's it's a fair there's a lot more exciting things
on the market today. Yeah, was four years ago. I agree,
four and a half years ago. At this point, we're
coming to the market. Yes, not too distant future.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
There's a lot of things that are coming to the
market that do peak like.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
What my desktop wallpaper, the R three, I love that
I can get behind. Yeah, but you know, don't you
about to start working your marketing again? To be fair,
the same exact problems could happen with Rivian. Could they
are a startup? They are started up, but with one factory.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
But I feel like everybody is taking notes from.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Tesla first, hopefully you can take.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Notes, but can you avoid falling into the same pitfall.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
I've seen a lot of them.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Just every everything will have its problem, a different problem,
but the problem.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Yes, no vehicles.

Speaker 4 (58:23):
I just don't know what Rivin's problem will be. When
it comes to the R two, R three, we.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
Don't know yet.

Speaker 5 (58:27):
But because the R one for what it is like
in the price scene, I was like, wow, I'll wait
and whatever we identify what those problems are, Like I
tell you guys, So I say here on the record,
I would not buy an R one new It would
only be used an R two R three depending on
the price. It will have that conversation. But I would
like to see and not just riving really any of

(58:49):
these vehicles later. I just I would like to know
what their what their shortcomings are, right, and we get
to decide which short means we're willing to tolerate.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Right.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
The thing with Tesla's they do have the shortcomings even
just in the overall like navigation experience and stuff like that,
and those are things I'm willing to endure because as
of today and as of when we bought our cars,
ain't nothing close to it. Nothing's close to UH surpassing Tesla,
mainly for what I prioritize, which I think we all do. UH.

Speaker 4 (59:22):
Cost of charging efficiency hard to be.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Not just a cost, but the availability that's really hard.
That's why I'm so pumped about NAC's adoption is because
it's like that. In my opinion, that's Tesla's biggest lead is.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Asking me what you just asked, Mike. When NAX has
been fully adopted, am I committed to staying with Tesla
or not?

Speaker 2 (59:42):
We will see, right, in which that's why we're seeing
some of the horrors in my opinion of most recent
news with Hyundai adopting the next port on the Naionic five,
where they didn't move the port, they kept the port
in the same location. They just changed out the shape

(01:00:03):
and probably some of the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Next year, next year year. I'm just from when I'm
happy that. Okay, someone figured out a supplier. At least
they figured out how to mass produce a vehicle with
an export. That's a good sign. However, Yeah, like that
vehicle ironically might be like the most difficult to road

(01:00:25):
trip with because most of the superchargers that are going
to be open for non Tesla's are V threes, not
the V three plus or the V fours, whatever you
want to call them, which means you're going to occupy
two stalls everywhere now, or if you want to use EA,

(01:00:46):
you need an adapter. So the announcement image showcased it
with the V four dispenser, so that was them excusing
it as like, well, see the cables long enough here,
you know, you can kind of see it. It's a
big V four dispenser. But those are definitely not the

(01:01:06):
norm yet, you know, they're much much earlier, so and
that doesn't even address the higher voltage problem. For those
who don't know, the Hyundai Ionic vehicles are on an
eight hundred volt architecture, and all the V three and
even the four superchargers so far are still based on
the four hundred volt slash five hundred. It's basically four

(01:01:27):
hundred volt architecture, which means they peak out at like
one hundred kilowatts even with the native naxsport. So it's
like maybe they address that and they're not saying it.
I mean, there's a chance they built in a converter
box to the battery pack that maybe splits it so
that they can get full speed, but they're not saying

(01:01:49):
that yet. I hope they're doing that. There's a chance,
I suppose, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Think time will tell, right, And this is only one
of the companies Hundai Key has been kicking. But in
terms of sales, yeah, so I think they can afford
in this case to offer a port that might not
be the most optimized in location, more in charging speeds, right,
But it's still a decent product overall.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah, they get good range and efficiency, well just.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
The interior as well as stomachable for many people. And
like yourself, many loyal legacy owners for this legacy auto
company are willing to go back and give them the
benefit of the doubt because they've had such good experiences
with that product.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Sure they want to stay within their brand. Yeah, we've
seen a lot of Ionic sixes around here. Actually, there
is a lot of Apple Mice Stranger here. It is.
This is the It's here right now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
We didn't know it, but Randy botwe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Your wife really hates it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:49):
You got to like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
Yeah, she thinks it's the ugliest car.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
I don't think she'd mind based on how she said.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
She says it's the ugliest design.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Would do that? Why did they release it? Like that?
Makes you laugh every time you're in the car. It's funny. Yeah,
I love I love the Passion. I mean I really
I love it. I think it's it's not her favorite.
I don't want her favorite design is. I just love
the official Mustang.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Well, yeah, but that's I was going to say favorite
ev in, which is probably the R two.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Or the R one. Ass. Yeah, but you she saw
it in person, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
And I saw it in the Santana row.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
And appressions were good.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
She liked it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yeah, she said I would get this if the Y
died or whatever. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
So it's the same sentiment that I've been sharing on
here as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
The same as Louise I showed her both. I showed
her the R two and the R three, and I
was like, just looking at them, which one would you
rather have? And she said the R two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I was like, R two has a long word. R
two has a lot more space. It does even between
the Model three Animalel. It's greater than both of those.
It's a little bit less than our one ass but
that's expected with the downscaling.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I'm guessing the front is bigger. I have to look
at my photos again, but yeah, it probably it's definitely
higher hood.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
It is taller because it's a toaster box, is what
I call.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
It, right? Yeah, No, I think something Randy and I
were talking about earlier that I think I echoed to you,
is that a factor a lot of people don't talk about.
When I was thinking about Polestar, I was like, let
me look into these Pollstar twos. After we went to
the event and we just met everybody and all that,
it was like, let me take a look at the
pricing here. And one of the biggest deterrence for me

(01:04:33):
was not so much the price or the range or anything.
It was the location to service centers and aging wheels.
Brought that up in his review as well, which is,
you know, we talk about range and storage and pricing
and all that, but we probably should acknowledge that a
very subjective reason someone might pick one brand over another
is how close is it to a service center, Because,

(01:04:55):
like you've experienced with the why things go wrong, it's
just things.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
That I can't deal with, Like I don't have the
expertise nor the know how. No, and I'm not gonna
touch it though I guess it's at warranty at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
Yeah it's out of warranty. You don't got the time,
and yeah, it shouldn't be expected for you to fix
every tiny little thing. So for a lot of buyers
out there, I could totally understand paying more for an
R two or whatever an R one simply because they're
closer to a service center. Sure, so that when something

(01:05:31):
does happen, they don't have to tow for hours and
hours so they don't have to spend all this extra
time waiting for it to get back. And you know,
having something nearby could save a lot of time and
money and money.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
If we have to hire a tow truck to take it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
M h.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Even if it's not a pocket from the company. I
know with pull Star they were doing that for a while.
I don't think they do it anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I would be shocked if they did, because the closest
one to me was like two to three hours away,
and I was like, yeah, there's no way they would
pay to you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Think they'd have more money since their CEO just left.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Was that you're doing. I guess I must have offended him.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Do you know who this man is. He's the man
who left.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
That's Thomas. Yeah. I think I was wearing this shirt too.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
I wouldn't be surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
This is the shirt that touched the Bull Star CEO.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
So there's Marquez with Fisker being the Fisker killer.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
I guess you're not killing Polestar, not killing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Him, but they're definitely changing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Your shirt was so obnoxious and or revolting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
He left. He did not like it. He did not
know I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
To be honest or at least cutting being honest with
the whole entire situation. He probably was looking for something
new at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Oh yeah, and so those are kinds of things that
usually aren't decided last minute. You were in the right
place in right time in terms of meeting the CEO. Yeah,
to make it, I get to say I met him. Yeah,
I got the story out of it, but no, there's
not much else after that. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
It's like, I think the thing that comes after that,
it's a little more interesting to me, is the replacement
CEO for Polestar has a lineage of startup companies being interesting. Well,
I guess ops not. I don't know if they're a
startup company. And I'm not too familar with opol which
is a European brand, And for my light research, it
looks like they pretty much took a Chevy bolt and
then slapped on their window.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
But he's been CEO for uh, oh goodness, what was
it was?

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Vin Fast?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Oh and Nicola. Oh, and now he's the CEO for Polestar.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I mean, not to be rude, but that doesn't sound
like a great track record. I mean, I don't know
that much about vin Fast, but I've heard he wasn't
the Trevor Milton CEO. No, so there was some other
CEO before him, or I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
I don't, I want I'd have to look into that more.
Whether he was the guy that Nikola chose to replace
Trevor in which this is Michael low Shellar huh or
however you pronounce that, but pretty much, uh, I think
that it's somewhat promising because he's seen what the taiwany Yeah,

(01:08:18):
vin Fast is.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
From Taiwan rights Vietnam, Vietnam. Anyways, he's got experience. Yeah,
and that's a company.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
We just talked about. Literally everybody got home at once.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
He was he was CEO of vind and Fast for
six months. Okay, it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Too long, but I mean they're They've got a whole
company behind them that runs a whole massive web of companies.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
It's not just like, oh there this some weird startup
that is trying to do something in Vietnam. No, it's
a whole conglomerate. It's like it'd be like Google making.
Wait they do, but they don't sell. But yeah, yeah,
the vin Fast group wherever does but not women. Anyways,
being at Nikola interests me a lot more with Michael

(01:09:12):
low Scheller or whatever. And now coming to Polestar and
what he will bring, because at least with Nikola was
let's consolidate everything that we got. Why do we have
a jet ski pickup truck and all this stuff? Like
why are we trying to make all this? What do
we have in terms of capital? What's going to be

(01:09:33):
our best seller in terms of what our engineering team
is working on right now with all their passion, and
that was hydrogen and electric powered UH semi trucks. Yeah,
for a lot of this focus here. And then knowing
the background of Thomas from Polestar, who's now since or

(01:09:54):
I think is going to be resigning soon.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
You you just had to ask him to those questions.

Speaker 2 (01:10:01):
He was a designer at heart, yes, which answers a
lot of our questions that we had when we both visited,
which was we've got all these weird in between sized vehicles,
too many models, too many models, like was this accomplishing?

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Why are we going from one to six? And you
also had some of that concern as well. It's like
why should I buy this? What's the interest factor compared
to this? Or like a Chevy Bolt or an Ionic
five or something like that. Why should I buy a Polestar.
I think that's the answer that Thomas has to answer
or not Thomas, sorry, Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
Right, Well, we have to figure out how to consolidate
and simplify their lineup, which I don't know. It might
be too late in some ways because they just started
the whole new factory for the three in the US
like that just got started, so I don't know how
much he can change. Hopefully he's there for the long haul, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Well, the three makes sense because it's sharing that platform
with the ES and something else.

Speaker 5 (01:11:01):
That he might not be there for the long time.
It seems like from what you're reading his bio to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
He uh, he might jump around a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
No, it sounds like his job is to fix if
the ship is seeking, I'm gonna get a pointed in
the right direction, and then he's gonna go. He doesn't sound,
at least so far with with Nikola and and all
these like it just I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
Gonna get I'm gonna get us back.

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
On track, and then I'm going to hand the reins
over to somebody else who can then go. Sure, maybe
that's the strength He's like, I will get Polestar on
track and then I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I won't be surprised if the Polestar five gets canned
because it hasn't really officially been shown off too much. Besides,
I think that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
One in l Yeah, just a couple. But that's a
shame because I know several people that are like, that's
my favorite, because that's supposed to be like the Range one.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
It's supposed to be the model ass competitor.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
Yeah, like expensive but big battery and aerodynamic and dang yeah,
but I think that's what the two or the four
should be. Really, but I think the four should be
what replaces the two? You know that it's a little
bit bigger, and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
How about we rebrand and we just dropped these number
eight if they're that insistent on that many of them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
The number schemes an interesting question mainly because I mean
BMW has been using it for years as well, like
the three series, the five series, the four series, the
six series and all that seven series two.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Just anecdotally from telling people about meeting the CEO in
my personal life, I would say the numbers aren't the problem.
It's the the name Polestar. Everyone is like, what is that? What?

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
It's that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
What's yeah? And there's some double meanings that people misinterpret
when I tell them have you heard of Polestar and
they're like, what are you into? I don't know, Like
that's I would say the bigger issue. But the logo
is cool.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
Oh no, I've become too in the weeds. I don't
I don't get it. Is it is it a stripper thing? Yeah,
you had it. You got it because the graphic on
the hat you got. Yeah, Like it's a cool look.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
It's a clean brand and everything, but the name always
when I tell like I told my aunt and I
told my grandparents, like we went to the Pollstar event
and they're like, you do that? So that would be
my first concern. But maybe it's too.

Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
Late for she's in her seventies.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
No, the vibe I got when we talked to all
the employees there was they're a performance and handling and
design focused brand above all else. It's not about range
or efficiency or super low price. But maybe that was
stemming from Thomas. So maybe now with change in leadership,
it might become Okay, let's actually figure out how to

(01:13:53):
move inventory here, be more competitive because come bigger than potentially. Yeah,
that would be cool.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
That would be one heck of a goal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
That would your mouth.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
I was just thinking, like my ideal, ev I think
we've done this before. I don't know, but I want
to get gauged your your guys, is my ideal is
I would want get that off your.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Wrote the logo.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Oh yeah, I don't even know what it is. Is
that is that a rude, absolutely rude.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
My ideal EV would be the the integrated system like
proprietary software and overall like passion that's an rivian maybe
even some of the design language, but never putting that
part aside. With the cleanliness of the brand logo of Polestar,

(01:14:47):
not the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Name, it's the bread logo that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Maybe No, but the vehicles.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
Look all the white things I've been seeing, all those
vehicles that, like what you were documenting, those are clean.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
That's a clean looking thing. The safety of Vovo like
it's just sort of safety.

Speaker 5 (01:15:03):
But then let's say the safety of Teslaca is technically
I think it out and now beat Volvo for the
safest vehicle.

Speaker 7 (01:15:10):
Yes, with with on the market, with the most efficient
charging of Tesla, of the network and its charging capabilities.

Speaker 4 (01:15:20):
To me, if I can get a little bit of
all that in one you know what? I one more?

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
Uh bonus, give me the the open hear me out
the openness of Ford that they were willing to incorporate advertising.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Car play, Oh, give you the.

Speaker 5 (01:15:39):
I want the proprietary to be awesome and the proprietary
thing be priority. But the fact that like I mean
car play when I say, I want carlat if not get,
make the proprietary software run Apple Maps.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
That's what I want. I don't want Google.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yeah, we drove around in your three and why you
didn't want to do anything with the screen. I was
poking and you're like, no, don't touch it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
But I don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
I don't want anything going on.

Speaker 4 (01:16:06):
I don't like it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
No navigating with Google I hate.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
I genuinely do not like Google Maps or any of
that stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
So on the software sense, the open willingness to do
do car play, whether it's like next Gen or whatever
it is, like I just or slash or give me
Apple Maps on your proprietary software. To me, that's the perfect,
not talking design or how much is seats or the colors, like,
oh that's whatever. It's it's anecdotal, it doesn't really matter,

(01:16:34):
but just at the foundation, that's the perfect ev And
maybe I'm stretching because it perfect is also subjective, but
that's what I look for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Yeah, you guys, it's a valid criticism because I saw
when Rivian finally launched their version of premium connectivity it's
called connect Plus or something. Everyone's like, can you please
please add car play and Rivian's like, no, we would
rather do it all ourselves in house, because we think
that's better. But then in order to access all of

(01:17:05):
the navigation and streaming features, that's now a fifteen dollars
a month membership. Everyone was kind of like, well, on
other cars, I just use car Play and then all
the music is up there, and the Apple maps and
the satellite view is all up there, and I don't
have to pay a membership to use car Play. Usually
unless it's BMW or someone.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
I think they dropped it. They dropped They were like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
That's weird. So I think it's not just the feature,
but also the like I'm already paying for all those
features on my phone. Just let me move the navigation
software and the music streaming software I already have here
onto there. Whereas people take the no car play thing
as no, it's okay, you'll just pay us to do that. No,

(01:17:46):
I don't want to pay you.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
I'm grandfather den where I won't ever have to pay
for any of that stuff. Where like now vehicles, what
last year or two years ago that now after ten
years you were going to pay for.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
We don't know yet. It's because it's been it hasn't
been long enough, but yeah, it was. It was around
when I got my car. They changed the rule to
say after eight years you don't get standard connectivity, but
no one knows what that means. Like what happens if
you don't have standard? Does that mean you have to
pay for premium or that can't be because what screen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Turns into a giant ad at that forward.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
It's just that I'm trying to figure out what the
UI would look like. Because even with standard connectivity, you
do use cell data, yes, because that's how you find
out how many chargers are available at the supercharger, or
when you plug in DAP data. You plug in a restaurant,
you tap on it and you see the reviews.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
That's all still or just basic mapping routing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Yeah, and they say that's included with standard. So what
happens if it's not standard?

Speaker 4 (01:18:48):
You know, even over the air, over the air updates
is using the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Stud Oh no, I'm trying to visualize what the screen
would do. It's just a giant visualizer. I'm thinking there's
no maps at all.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Maybe just maybe just route you to superchargers.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
It doesn't give you any information about the superchargers.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
You don't know if it's full or I'm thinking about
how much bear can you make it like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
That almost sounds not worth it, or or they might
just you can do all the normal things if you hotspot,
like you have to pull all the data from the
phone or something. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
Another version of just using car pay car play the
manufacturer that ends up not charging you to just have
what is considered standard operating features for your vehicle. Yeah,
that's the one I think that would win my business,
you know, ten years from now, if.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
I have to pay just to use the features.

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
Oh god, I just had an ugly thought I was
I was about to say, like, then maybe the EV
future isn't for me, because they wouldn't do that on
the gas vehicles.

Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
They don't do it right now on the gas vehicles.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
Well, the pattern didn't exclusively say EV, I would start.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
Yeah, I'm just buying. I don't know. I don't like
that vision.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
I didn't like you're saying things before then, So that
way it doesn't have the capability of showing an AD
no or something that just doesn't have a.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Screen no, not necessarily the ads.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
I'm saying that like if we're going down a route
that because Tesla's already start that initiative to do that
eight years from now. If we're going down that route
where even you won't have standard connectivity, who's to stop
Who's the stop either Tesla or anybody else from retro
actively doing the same thing to their own product line.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
But somebody somewhere I'll be a post Star.

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Or maybe an inevitable or eventual aptera Tello. Somebody who
is exclusively ev will be the anti that, And that's
the one I'll work with because I don't like the
idea of, like again, software locking or ad locking a

(01:20:54):
utility does just not make sense to me. Yeah, when
you want more features out of your utility, you buy
a higher tier of that utility. You don't lose something
that you've had. I really hope no manufacturer goes that route.
That's that's not that's that's bad, especially when you're trying
to like and why I think it would be an

(01:21:15):
EVY only companies because you're not going to you're not
going to see somebody who's trying to get market share,
give them, give.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
You a reason not to want to come to them.

Speaker 5 (01:21:23):
Yeah, that's there's no way you sell that, And it's
not a deterrent about like, hey, standard connectivity.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
After five years or eight years or whatever, you'll lose that. Okay, bye,
you know what I mean. I I totally get the
premium stuff. You don't. I don't need to have the
premium stuff. I won't. I probably wouldn't use it. I
just bluetooth everything anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
Yeah. I haven't been too impressed with it so far.
Now that I have it, I thought I wanted it.
Now I'm not sure because that display is already pretty busy.
And I realized it's kind of easier actually to choose
the music on the phone because that it doesn't have
to take over the nave and the UI for the music.

Speaker 4 (01:22:05):
It's just not as is it like Apple Music.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
It's not as clean. Like when you search things, it
kind of intermixes different memberships. You get Spotify results and
YouTube Music results.

Speaker 4 (01:22:15):
Oh right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
And I was like, well, no, I want it on music.
I want it on YouTube Music. I don't want it
on Spotify, And yet it kept giving me Spotify results
and I was like, yeah, okay, now I'm kind of
like using a music player on an Android tablet. It
doesn't feel the same as just leaving the phone on
and just having the music right there, or having someone

(01:22:36):
else be able to choose it or make a playlist
from their phone. Like on the road trip, you were
bluetoothing time from your phone pretty much the whole time. Yeah,
and that was arguably more convenient.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
So unless we wanted to listen to Axlath, Yeah, we
had to point that Spotify.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
So I think the smaller brands would probably have less
to fit from the ads, so they might be less
likely to do it because they're like, we have a
small passionate fan base. We'll just cater to them and
try to keep them happy.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Oh god, the one plus effect and then eventually.

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
There's a passionate fan based event you die hero or
I just think the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
Brands that sell at super high volume would be more
interested in advertising.

Speaker 5 (01:23:24):
But not just advertising and taking away standard connectivity whatever
the that's my issue. I might, you know, complain and
grown about maybe ads eventually, and it is what it is.
And like you said, I get I get unsolicited Hey
did you know what Tesla?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
The everything opened up? The app like go go wait,
it's annoying.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
I get with Apple in the OS I get out
of her cloud storage.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
I hate all that. It's just randomly like, hey rate
this app.

Speaker 5 (01:23:51):
No, you're a proprietary like you're like a default app.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
I'm not gonna rate you. But so you get it there.
But I the line is like, don't take away the
at least the bare minimum just to be functional.

Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Sure, And like I think GPS on an EV seems
to be like that's that standard. Don't take away the standard,
because then when you take away the standard, what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
What's that? What's understandard? What's next? Nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
I wonder if it's a liability thing, like will the
GPS stop working after a certain point, and they don't
want to commit to fixing it for free.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
It's almost like Android committing to seven years of yeah
for support in a way, like they could say, we
promise it'll work for at least this long, but if
you own this car for thirty years, we may not
have the parts needed to plan obsolescense.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
I don't even know if it's planned, it's just unplanned longevity.
It's like the chip they need in our current test
list to do GPS, they might not always have that
in stock for decades. So maybe they're just putting a
year on standard connectivity just so that they can cover them.

(01:25:00):
Like if you if you brought your Model three in
twenty years from now, be like, hey, I can't navigate,
they'd be like, well, we're sorry, we don't have that
part anymore because we stopped making that exact we stopped
using that type of GPS ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
Sorry, it's gonna cost us two thousand dollars to try
to integrate the new.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Yeah hard, I'd pay two thousand over getting a new.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Car, true, but do they want to?

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Your car loses actually a lot more range at that
point as well, because now it's using more power that's
not optimized for your circuit.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Board, and it just I wouldn't be surprised if you
brought like a Newton to an Apple store and you
were like, this isn't working, and they're like, sorry, we
don't have the parts to fix that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Yeah, it's like bringing a Model Tea to Afford.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Yeah, after.

Speaker 1 (01:25:47):
They might just be like, eh, we.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Don't have but rights or repair. You could do those
things yourselves. It were easier to fix a Model T
is easy to fix anywhere above Model Newton, the model.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Gets much more enthusiast at that point.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
I think there's there's probably a bit of both. They're
looking at revenue streams, but also, wait a minute, we've
been committing to lifetime standard connectivity, which technically means lifetime
cellular connection of some kind. That might get expensive if
someone is driving this thing in forty years and it's like, hey,

(01:26:26):
I need the ten G chip. Come on, Like, it's
not showing that you said that was included.

Speaker 4 (01:26:33):
I don't know, I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
That's my theory.

Speaker 2 (01:26:35):
But any final thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
I'm excited for Rivian. I want them to make it. Uh,
Tello is considering everything you just said.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Thanks for the insatisfation. On Yes, you know, all the
things we talked about, tell us thinking about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
I'm not gonna say how, I'm just saying they're thinking
about the size, the charge, ports, the car play, all
that repair ability.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
And wait until that news comes out.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
I think it just did. Ish.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
We'll be watching you with great interest.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
I didn't get to say for tech, but this is cool.
We got to do this in person. Yeah, I like
that we did this. I hope you guys listening or
watching like this more in person. The dynamic obviously changes
when there's a latency issue.

Speaker 4 (01:27:33):
And then we're talking over each other.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
You're breaking up. I can't hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
No, he's star linking again.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
Remember when we used to say that star linking just
physically starlink.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
No, we just fit.

Speaker 5 (01:27:42):
That's just called parenthood. But I like that we got
to do this. I like that you guys came out
to my abode and we made a cool We just
did something. This this layout you're watching on YouTube is
I keep looking like I can.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
I like to lay out, how can I brate this
to my own?

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Just get two more people, somehow put dummies of us here.
You get a cardboard cutout.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
People will think I'm in sane. Okay, I need you
guys to take that now I'm insane. Yeah. Just start
at the camera long enough so I can grab a
still a.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
View and thanks for having us.

Speaker 4 (01:28:17):
I will make a cutout man. And I hope while
we were doing all this you can enjoy the bipolarist.
So what's going It hasn't hit us yet.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
I know. I keep waiting for my free car wash.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
It should happen. Paid for it and somehow someone car wash.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
So it's a card wit.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
And uh, I'm also excited for Rivian just in general.

Speaker 1 (01:28:40):
All right, good luck Michael L fixing Polestar room for you.
Hopefully you never have to meet me. He'll be the
end of your career. He's gonna retire, all right.

Speaker 5 (01:28:54):
On this note, I'm retiring after this episode because I
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