Ep. 194 - Early Beginnings

Join Drew and Randy as they discuss taking the stocks out of the EV community and how excited they are for Aptera and Telo's future!

Randy's Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@RandyNexus

Published: 9-14-2024, Recorded: 9-12-2024

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to the TAYLORUS of e V. I guess
our ceremonious three two one clap in dictates who who's
driving today, But welcome back. I did do the clap
for no reason but to synchronize its habit. Drew has
uh trained my little dog brain all these years about
synchronizing our claps. It feels weird if we don't clap.

(00:40):
But here we are, and hello everybody, viewers, listeners, and Drew.
How are you guys doing? Starting with you, Drew, how
are you doing? Everybody else?

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Allow us? Yes, we'll start with me. I'm good.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I I made the long, treacherous drive back from your place.
It's weird to be able to say that that my
car has been at your house.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
In this house.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Now. Now, this literal environment, if you're watching on YouTube,
makes sense to you, because it does. There's Drew's bed flated.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
It flated. Yeah really, But I hope you're happy. I
I've exceeded fifty six thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Miles on my bottle free.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Now you beat me.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I've surpassed Phoenix more waste than what.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
How dare you all right? Phoenix is citting?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I drove through Phoenix on the way back by the way.
That's the j I.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Uh, although surpassing I get it. Oh clever boy, you
I forgot you went to Arizona. I have fifty three,
six hundred and fifty miles dang.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
And I got my car like last week, say like
three years after you got yours.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, yeah, because you've had it for two years. Wait
have you had it for two years?

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah? It just surpassed two years last month.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yeah. Yeah, I got my car June of before the
Dark times.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Right with the miles on.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Though, to be fair, you probably use Phoenix a lot
less after you've got the model.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Y yes, And also to be fair fairer, I used
Phoenix the least amount after uh, moving, not just remote work.
But then I'm currently uh, I call it retired, but
it's a fancy way to say unemployed. So after after coming,

(02:41):
after becoming a.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Dad retired as well.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
But if my brother doesn't pass his course, he's going
to retire.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Yeah, rapid unscheduled retirement.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Uh, But but I will be you'll be proud of
this one, sir Drew. I am going to be taking
Phoenix on a little mountain excursion and within the next
following I don't want to give specific dates, just not
on record, but I will be I'm gonna go. I'm

(03:16):
gonna literally and metaphorically go touch grass. But the grass
touch is that of fourteen thousand feet ish up in
see sea level.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
You're gonna do it?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Well, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go explore, I'm gonna
have I'm gonna have some downtime, uh really soon. And
I figure this is a great time for me to
I don't want. I don't feel comfortable taking the model.
Why that's the family car, and because it's just gonna
be me. It's not that I'm gonna be reckless. But
if something were to happen I read, I'd rather it

(03:50):
happened to Phoenix then it happened to Carla. I don't
even know if I ever told you guys, Carla is
the model. Why name that my.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Wife came up with. So that's cute.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, Carla is the baby of the family and will
be treated as such because it carries our baby. But
and I'm not saying this is gonna happen, God forbid.
But if I was to experience anything remotely to what
happened to you within the last two months. I would
rather it happened to Phoenix. So me and Phoenix are
gonna go put some miles on the car, and I'm

(04:21):
probably gonna go. I'm gonna go explore as far west
as as it will let me with proper routing. My goals.
Maybe you know, tell a ride. I would like to
check it out and see everything as the fall colors
starts to roll in, So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
go nature exploring, and I'm gonna take oh Phoenix without me.
Old Phoene is gonna go get some miles, but it's

(04:44):
not gonna be like you, but I'm he deserves it
far west. I'll let you know as soon as I
get out of the mountain range and all of a sudden,
like wait a minute, Chico, what is this? I'll let
you know.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, make sure to the charge brick.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
With that. So, uh, ladies and gentlemen, if you have
not checked our Apple uh recap this week, there's no
Ronnie doing two podcasts this week. One was the iPhone
event and now we're doing this one. If you are
not up to speed. The reason why I deflated Drew's
bed over here off frame is because I was paranoid.

(05:24):
Anything else would have been left behind because Drew left
a very vital organ to his operations, the charging brick
for his MacBook. So maybe tomorrow, hopefully tomorrow, if not Saturday,
I will have time to go to the post office
and see what I can do. I'll let you know.

(05:45):
Nothing's nothing obviously locked in or definite, but I'll i'll
let you know. But I'm going to drive there with Phoenix,
keeping it on brand with so I'll tell you I'll
take a look at it.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
You know, very important piece of equipment I quickly discovered
this week. But oh well, it's my fault, so thank you.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Don't worry. People on ev know how often you say
it's your fault for something and they'll and they'll still
drag you. They're going to drag you for it.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
There's probably some way that FSD is to blame for me.
I don't mind throwing FSD under the bridge a bit, but.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah, just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah, I'm trying.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
I'm trying to be more optimistic about it. You know
that when I did my video talking about how the
October tenth ROBOTAXI event is got that far away, yep,
I was like you know what. I don't really believe
they can do it, but I should. I should cheer
them on because if Tesla wants to be the company
that finds a way to drastically lower the cost of transportation,

(06:49):
good on them. But uh, my windshield wipers keep going off,
and I have a hard time being optimistic when I'm
persistently and constantly reminded of it's shortcoming.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I don't know about you, because you haven't been using it,
but my car is still stuck on twelve dot three.
I can tell you right now, five exists.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I think about twelve four. To be honest with you,
I should. I should be on twelve four, right I
should be?

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Wait, I think you'd be on twelve twelve.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Twelve three twelve dot three dot six is what I'm on.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, same as me, And that's pretty much Most people
who have hardware three haven't gotten the new reversion. Only
people with hardware four have gotten twelve dot five, which
is the mystery update that gets rid of the steering
wheel nag, but somehow made it worse with the eye
tracking nag because all it means is you don't have

(07:45):
to keep your hands on the wheel, You just can't
wear sunglasses or baseball caps, and you have to make
sure that the camera can see your eyes at all time.
I tried to do it on my Model three performance
test drive. That vehicle had twelve dot five and yeah,
I only had it for fifteen minutes and FSD was
already annoying me. Ay, I was doing this, like the

(08:06):
camera's up here and I'm putting my head as closed
as I can with my eyes and it's like.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Please look at the road, Please look at the road.
I was like trying to be optimistic. I just I
don't know. Do you think that's wrong? Do you think
it's important to be cynical?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
About Yes, that's wrong, that's very wrong.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
I'm a nihilist. Everything's doomed.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
I wish we could take the stock discussion out of
so many things, because I think at least watching your videos,
I get a similar vibe like we really shouldn't be
looking towards ev stocks for long term savings plans.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
They're so unpredictable.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I mean, the only real good ev stock story was Tesla,
and that story is changing by the day, and usually
not in a great light. It's like, yeah, if you
if you bought at the I p O or you
bought really early on like you did, or I did
and now it's taken off. There was a good time
to sell, we didn't two years ago.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Two years ago is when we should have sold.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
But yeah, right, the more time that goes by, I'm
having a harder time believing that those prices will be achieved,
at least in the near term. And I'm like, why
why do we have to get investment involved? Why can't
we just I mean, we don't do that with with tech.
We don't talk about Apple stock and Samsung stock and

(09:40):
Google stock. We just talk about what they create. And
I kind of want to get to that point with evs,
but I.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Agree you you are right. I wish we could take
UH stock price out of the conversation.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Unfortunately we can't, And I think it's because.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
There's no way to actually, like veryify this and it's
too soon for everybody else, all the other startups to
really where I'm getting at is that the reason why
we have to calculate stock prices because of who's running Tesla,
and that person has such that I'm talking about Elon
guys H. He has he has such he has such

(10:19):
a public profile. He's in the public eye all the
time chronically, and he doesn't understand that what he says,
you know, moves the market sometimes and I will more
than sometimes. So if you love him, then everything's great.
If you don't love him, then everything's bad. And then

(10:42):
we unfortunately tie up emotion with stock because of the
person running it. And I say that with unfortunate to
the other guys because r J tweets and Rivian doesn't
fluctuate based off of what he's tweeting or what he's presenting.
You're we were talking about pollstar U on the last podcast,
Like all these other guys are doing just fine with

(11:04):
like being in the public image and it's not manipulating
the stock. But in any given day, everybody is comparing Tesla,
comparing their stuff to Tesla. I've said in the past
that Tesla is the Bitcoin of EV's, that it's you
have bitcoin and then you have a coin, you have Tesla,
and then you have everybody else for the ev market. Unfortunately,

(11:27):
and as time gets closer to October tenth, the stock
as of today as the market closing, the stock is
almost a percent up, So it's doing good. But I
am with you in the fact that, like I, I
don't think I'm going to get the number I have
in mind to cash out, and I have to accept that.
So what I'm actually waiting for now, if I'm being

(11:48):
honest completely ev related, is I'm waiting for the FED
to drop the interest rate this month and see what
that does to the market when there's this immediate spike. Inevitably,
when it happened, I think I'm just gonna cash out
my my chips at the casino and take take my
winnings and allocate. But the thing is, like, so people

(12:09):
people have engaged with me, both on my individually and
then on these podcasts and wherever they can reach me.
But to think of that, like I, you know, I'll
just get you know you're you're so biased about But like,
the thing is, I I came into Tesla so early
that on Tesla's worst day over the last thirty six

(12:30):
months or even more forty eight months, on Tesla's worst days,
I was net positive by a substantial amount. So my
bias has nothing to do with it. It is strictly
I do not agree with the vision of ROBOTAXI. That's
not why I bought into Tesla. I did it for
the sustainability of vehicles, something moving towards a greener energy

(12:54):
and the transition to evs.

Speaker 4 (12:56):
As a whole, and they were leading that campaign.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's starting a little bit more saturate, and now my
beliefs they shifted a little bit, but they're more aligned
with other companies now that I'm way more interested, even
startups that aren't off the ground yet that I'm rooting for.
I'm I'm still an optimist in the EV sector as
a whole. It's not a discredit towards Tesla, the brand,

(13:19):
the company, or the stock itself. It's that there's other
players in the game that that are just as driven
in passion passionate the way Tesla had been. And it's
not that they're not now, but they're very They're very
focused on some stuff that I just personally it's not

(13:39):
for me. But that doesn't mean I'm not rooting for Tesla.
When I inevitably cash out of my individual stocks with Tesla,
I still got the broad Market Index Fund which Tesla
is a part of, Like, I'm still going to be
invested with them, and I specifically invest in broad market
tech tech ETFs and stuff like that. Which Tesla is
a part of, because I still believe in the overall,
like tech sector, which they have a certain vision. I

(14:01):
just don't want to back a certain amount of money
anymore to a vision that I just it's not for me.
So I'm going to vote with my dollar and put
my money where my mouth is. I'm just waiting for
that right time too. But it has nothing to do
with Tesla, the brand, the company, and even to a
certain degree, has nothing to do with Elon. It's just

(14:22):
if that's where they want to take Tesla. I wish
you the best. I'm not going to be on that
journey with you financially as an investor, but I'm still
rooting for it because when Tesla wins, there is a
ripple effect that other people are more taken seriously in
the sector, and then, you know, it'd be how cool
would it be that people stop crapping on Aptera or

(14:42):
even at Tello or anything like. You know that, because
there's some validity on this stuff. And I think there's
a correlation between Tesla's success and then everybody else because
if Tesla dips, everyone's doomed, and if they do good,
I want everybody else to do just as good and
then one day better, so we could stop looking at
Tesla like they're the S and P five hundred or
the Dow Jones. They're not. It's just one company doing

(15:04):
their own thing. And they had this historic rise in
our lifetime, which to me, I remember saying, oh, this
was like the next Apple and and maybe maybe it's
best days are still ahead. And if that's the case,
I'll be more than happy to come back as an
investor when those when when we start to see uh,

(15:25):
you know, eye to eye on those objectives. For me,
I just with FSD, Robotaxi and all these regulations, and
it's not even that because they're not even capable even
if they say they have it completely figured out. You're
not just going to convince Congress like that. And if
Elon has his way and Trump gets in the office,
then people are gonna start losing you know, credits and

(15:45):
rebates and stuff to buying evs, which blows my mind.
And it has nothing to do with being political. It's
just the fact that literally Trump directly it was like, yeah, no,
we're you know, we're gonna go back to focusing on oil,
vehicles and gas and stuff like that. So if a
different guy, Republican or Democrat, was like, no, all in
on ev that guy has my attention. You know, if

(16:07):
it's a political sense, then I'm more green with You know,
I'm a futurist in tech, vehicles, home everything. I'm a futurist.
I like looking towards the future on all that stuff.
So at that sense, I'm also looking towards the future
with other companies that I that I that I personally
and passionately believe in. So we'll see. But I still

(16:28):
wish I'm success next month. Like I want them to
succeed once so I can financially benefit from it. But
two when they do good, it does have a weird
rip effect still, so I don't want to be let down.
I'm tired of being let down all the time.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
So yeah, yeah, the unveilings don't have a great track
record of living up to the expectation. I mean, the
the only unveiling that Tesla really surpassed expectations on was
the Model Y, but that was kind of a stuck
unveiling because it was very boring and it was like, oh, yeah,

(17:05):
it looks exactly how we all thought it would, right,
But the cyber truck unveil, everyone losing their minds and obviously.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
You know what to do if one Yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
I think the unveil is most of the reason people
were disappointed is because they promised the world.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
They promised so much.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
Well, yeah, partly because of the botch demo and everything,
but I think a lot of people were disappointed with
the cyber truck specs after deliveries because of that event,
because of the expectations they said.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
I feel like if they never took orders for it, they.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Never said it would have five hundred plus miles of range,
they never said it would start at forty thousand dollars,
they probably would have had a different reaction when it
finally came out. I'm not saying it would have been
all positive, but probably would have had a different response
from the public if they didn't have the expectation it
would be a high range, low price type thing.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Hypothetically, if there was never a.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
COVID that had happened, do you think Tesla would have
delivered sooner or looking back and knowing what we know now,
or looking back, do you think it was still going
to be substantially delayed many more years than two weeks
or something.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
I actually, you know, I probably watched Tesla closer than most.
I'm not saying I'm the most avid follower, but especially
when it came to content surrounding the cyber truck. You know, me,
I jumped at everything. I was like, no news story
is too small, no leak, no rumor. I was texting people,
I was trying to keep in touch with any kind

(18:51):
of development going on.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
And I never really felt like COVID.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Had a massive impact on the development of the truck,
an impact on the chips for the existing vehicles in production,
like the Model three, the why and there was a
lot of time and development that went into gigatexas a
lot of time even during the pandemic, that went into
developing the forty six eighty cells. But then they didn't
launch the forty six eighties with the cyber truck. They

(19:18):
started in the Model hy So maybe it would have
delivered a little sooner, but I don't think like multiple years,
even though that's kind of Elon's go to response of like, well,
you know, twenty twenty happened and that threw everything off.
I'm like, yeah, it did, but there wasn't. The construction
teams didn't really slow down, and the battery teams were

(19:41):
still working from what I could tell, and the chip
shortage thing, it was more of a supplier or the.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Destruction of Giga Texas was still in effect the whole time.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I remember that, And the Giga Texas from the beginning
was focused on building the model why first not the
cyber truck, which I always, for the record said from
the beginning was a mistake. I was like, you're already
building the model. I in Freemont, just build the cyber
truck first and foremost. But they probably knew more variables
than I did. But yeah, I think I.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Remember that's what the tech the Mexico location was supposed
to then allocate focus towards when they were going to
do a gig of Mexico.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Remember that idea, you're right now, I said, it depends
who wins the election whether or not we build it right,
which goes against what some of the executives were telling.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I agree with you, though I don't think the pandemic
did anything. So where I was getting at with that
thought experiment.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
To the cyber truck, you should say.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
To the cyber truck to the cyber truck, specifically the
development of it. I don't think it offset anything more
than maybe a couple months at you know, the most realistic.
But the purpose of that thought experiment experiment thought experiment
was that we I think we were always going to
be let down with the cyber truck. They this is

(21:01):
one of the situations rare, but it did happen where
they over promise and underdelivered. Were when you reverse that
to the Model three and Model Why, everything was under
promised and over delivered. We're like, yeah, this is great.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
So we just That's when I was a much bigger
Tesla fan, to be fair of that. Way back in
those days. You know, we weren't waiting around for smart
Summon for two years, and FSD was a oh they
started talking about that in twenty sixteen, and they're saying
it should be ready twenty twenty. I was a bit
more tolerant of the claims back then. Now that it's

(21:36):
been four years and the claims have gotten more and
more ambitious, and they've doubled down on it. With the
Tesla Bot and everything, this is going to replace all job.
I guess I just got tired of it. But I
have thought about a lot like believing in these young companies,
like why entertain the idea? Why most startups fail? Why

(21:59):
would you get so invested or so in love with
young brands like Aptera or Tello or even Lucid to
a certain extent, is relatively young. But I guess what
I realized is that maybe because people like you and
me have been following Tesla since the early days, we

(22:19):
remember what it's like to have a company that's very
theoretical with its profitability or its sustainability. Like we remember
a time where Tesla was burning money every quarter and
had never posted a profit, and then in the middle
of that Model three ramp, they were burning more money
than they ever had. And I do think a lot

(22:42):
of people that are self proclaimed, like you know, Tesla
fans or oh yeah, I'm one hundred percent all in,
it's like you really just kind of came around though
after they were profitable. These are not the same people
that were around in the early days when the odds
were stacked again them. No, those were the people buying
preuses still good to have gas sometimes, but now that

(23:08):
the charging network's all built out, now that they're profitable,
and delivering all these record volumes. Now everyone's like, yeah,
you know, It's.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Like I was mocked back when I was living in
San Diego. I was mocked for buying my model. Why
I was mocked for buying the stocks even before someone
at the time I was like really close close with
as a friend, he like, very like belligerently told me,
He's like, it's not gonna work. It's not gonna make it.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
No one's made it yet, They're not gonna make it.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
You're you're throwing money away. And I had that sentiment
at me more than support. The thing is, uh, the
more I was mocked at and after I already believed
in it, the more I I double down and I
leaned into it, and it just incentivies me to.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
More stock three twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
And it was kind of like me just being rebellious,
like a metaphorical middle finger to everybody who was telling
me that I was ridiculous and still and I don't
understand how vehicles work. And I the only thing I
ever came close to understanding, so much like backlash in
my irl in the actual real world, because all this

(24:24):
stuff online it ain't real, but the real world the people.
You know, that's that has a bigger impact. The last
time I felt that type of backlash was when I
told people out of you know, I was a teenager
seventeen eighteen, I'm joined them.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
I think we lost him.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
You back that, Yeah, that is that me or you?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
I think it's you, but I could be wrong. I'll
write it down either way.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Right, that was weird. But what was the last thing
you heard?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
The last thing I heard was the last time I
got mocked like that was I think you were going
to say you joined the military.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Yep, when I joined the Marine Corps and everybody told
me how ridiculous and life threatening or everything, because I
was till the same thing. You get into the Tesla,
it's going to blow up on you. I was told
all these things like you put in your life at risk,
and I was like, where have I heard this before?
You know, at the end of the day, a lot
of people want to be fanboys after the fact, you know,
to what you were saying. But it's very it's very Uh.

(25:37):
I have a different It's not even that I have
a different risk tolerance. When it came to Tesla or
the military or the next project. I will invest It's
that when you do enough research and you understand something
so much where you feel like, to almost a certain degree,
you are a subject matter expert, that something is bound

(26:01):
to work when it comes to the foundation of laying
a product line. And that also includes like with different companies.
I since since being out of California, out of San Diego,
I have not been able to uh physically observe or

(26:21):
interact with anybody with or at apterra. So with that,
I also don't have the same experience with interactions like
you have. But I observe you and Mike being passionate
about it, and I don't doubt the passion that if
you guys see something I don't because you were there
in person, that I have always in my life followed

(26:42):
my intuition about stuff like that, and so it keeps
me optimistic, keeps me a little bit young, a little
curious about the world. And you know, you still have
a little bit of a hope and you believe that,
you know, the magic is real and the unthinkable can
happen of things. And the more we lean into that

(27:03):
and you and you and you back it, the more
alive you because again there's an element of fun with
all of this. I sure gas vehicles are more foundational, established,
but not sexy. You know. Now everybody's having the same
interior design and they're trying to revamp this modern, this

(27:26):
futuristic look and led lights and you know, just accent
things and all this stuff. It's given the sex appeal
back in vehicles the same way Apple made tech sexy.
You know, like you need that, you need an element
of that and even a little bit of curiosity of like, wait,
what when you look at the app Tara, I compare

(27:49):
that to the nineteen ninety seven iMac, the first iMac
with the handle, with the transition, like, this is really weird.
It's different. This is not what a computers look like.
You could say about an appear like this is really weird.
It's a tear drops. It's also inviting and I could
touch it. There's something if I may borrow from an

(28:09):
old sj rest in peace. There's something magical about it,
you know, and that it keeps you young, keeps you innocent,
keeps you curious, hungry and foolish. Right, stay hungry, stay foolish. Right,
All that passion is in ev man. I love what's
happening in the EV especially with these startups. You know, yeah,

(28:30):
a little bit of Lucid to a little bit there
that I said, I.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
Said, WHOA wow. I gotta say if someone out there, sorry,
what did you say?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I said, I respect the hustle, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
If there's any doubt you have in Lucid, I highly
recommend watching whenever you have some downtime. The technology and
manufacturing day that they had it was it was impressive.
I I felt a lot more convinced about them.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
As a brand after watching it.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
And they kind of go down and explain all their
plans for volume production and more profitable vehicles and higher
volume vehicles, and Peter doesn't pull many punches. He's not
afraid to address every major concern I've ever had brought
up against the company. And I was like, Okay, that's
they know their stuff. And I think it's interesting to

(29:25):
see a brand double down on EV core technology, which
in a way I don't know. After watching it, it
almost felt like Rivian is kind of their own thing.
Rivian was like, let's not be Tesla, Let's be the
outdoors adventuring. That's why the first two vehicles were literally

(29:49):
vehicles that Tesla had no across comparison with like there
was no equivalent Tesla. They did the van Tesla still
hasn't done. They did a truck, and they did like
a full size suv, which Tesla really had no equivalent
on either any of those segments, which was really smart
of Rivian and something I appreciated about them.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
But Lucid almost.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Feels like, let's be Tesla too electric Google the sequels like, yeah,
we're like Tesla, done with a more modern twist, I guess,
like a more ev technology focus. Instead of just let's

(30:35):
make things cheap and scalable, Lucid was more like, let's
figure out how to make it more efficient, let's figure
out longer range, let's figure out how to do it faster.
So it was like Tesla with replace the autonomy with engineering.
I suppose It's like there's a lot of similarities, I think, but.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
They wanted to be known for right, like that was
their whole.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Yeah, they definitely wanted a more premium segment. They wanted
a more driver's car emphasis, but they also just spent
so much time developing their battery pack and their powertrain
and refining it and probably yeah less so on how
do we make it profitable. But still I don't think

(31:24):
that means that there's there's nothing of value there because
just like how the Lucid fans are saying, like, Tesla
is not profitable for a very long time, and you know,
it's still fair to say Lucid has lost way more
money per vehicle than Tesla ever did.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
But they've got different funding situations.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
So.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
It's like they can afford to burn a certain amount
of cash. But on a more uplifting story with Aptera,
I think it's far more positive being that most of
their funding came from like crowdfunding. Like, to me, that's
an end cation of like the world wants this thing
to succeed.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
That a real grassroots movement, not of that grass movements
they talk about, like a real one.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
This is right, And I remember a time where, like
just like you were explaining from your past, where all
of the same doubters that I'm hearing about Aptera, it
was very similar voices surrounding Tesla, which is why it's
funny to me that oftentimes you'll see the Tesla fans

(32:33):
down playing the young startup because oh, it'll never sell,
it'll never be profitable. I'm like, man, do you hear
yourself right now? This is exactly what it used to
be like to be a Tesla fan.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
So yeah, it's a.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
It's a weird stages to see people like come around
on ideas versus doubt ideas, and after is feeling more
and more real by the day that. I don't know
if you caught their most recent update video a few
weeks ago, but i'll throw it up here. These are
the seats and they're in production. These are production, they're

(33:15):
not prototypes anymore. So there's more and more things getting
together now. And I believe by the time look at
that handsome man.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
I know that guy.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, I've laid down in the bink with him. They
got the chassis parts coming into so Actually they were
at a EV event in Canada recently the other CEO,
Steve ambro and when asked about deliveries, he actually got
more specific than usual. He said, Q two of.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
So don't two weeks me.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
It's gonna say, I expect delays in this field.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
But the fact that he actually but a quarter down
is I don't know, it feels like a good sign
to me because before they were just saying next year,
it's coming next year and hopefully as soon as possible.
But to hear them say the second quarter makes me,
I don't know, I'm getting pumped.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I'm getting excited. Now it's becoming real.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
These so these those those seats you were showing, Yeah,
are they made in house or are they outsourced?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I believe they are outsourced.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
That like a lot of APTA, they're they're very young,
and they don't have billions of dollars to burn like.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Certain other companies do. Yeah, but uh, yeah, they.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm sure weighed out based on the conversations I've had
with them, they probably weighed out a ton of different
suppliers and found the most cost effective one. Yeah, because
at this stage in the game, that's just kind of
you have to do it that way, right, But.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, it's a I.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Don't know if you saw it, but one of my
favorite things they did recently that was actually on the
Gamma prototypes was showcasing how the solar UI works. Okay,
oh yeah, I have it downloaded here, I can pull
it up. Yeah I won't. You won't get the audio,

(35:24):
of course, but if I move this over here, this
is something that I feel like is a UI detail
you would appreciate. It's something I would be looking at
all the time. But if I play this, he basically
has the solar turned on and he slowly is inching
the car out of the garage and into sunlight, and

(35:46):
it'll show on each specific panel how many watts is generated,
and it gives you a good idea.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
He's just sticking the hood out into the sea. Yeah,
watts are climbing.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Oh there he.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Goes fifty two wats. That could charge my MacBook right there.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
What's that like?

Speaker 3 (36:10):
I know because I'm very sensitive to wattage. So yeah,
he comes out a little more and you can see
the dashboard lighting up. It's into the twenty watts. The
hood is now sixty watts and poof comes up and
then in real time it's translating that to miles back
per day. So like just from that angle, it's saying

(36:32):
nine miles back per day, seventy six watts from the hood,
over one hundred and ten watts now from the roof.
Now you can fast charge my MacBook again.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
What's that like?

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, seeing those kind of UIE elements, I'm gonna I'm
gonna pay attention to that everywhere I go, Like, how
much can I charge?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
How much can I It's.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
It's their version of like the Regen breaking and like
I always miss with myself about like how right I
get back or how little can I use? I'm always
playing that game, always.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yes, And I love that process, turning the efficiency and
the power generation into a game.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I love that. Yeah, that's wonderful. So that's just one
thing I'm really looking forward to.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
And you know, the vast majority of my drives are
just me and me and my wife, So I do
feel like the Apteraura is going to become kind of
the new.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Normal, hopefully whenever that is.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
But by the time this episode goes live, I should
be at the San Francisco Aptera event with the team
and everybody.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
So I'm very excited that.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
In San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Well, on Friday, which is tomorrow at the time of
recording this, they're having a private event with certain investors,
but I think you could buy tickets to it, but
it costs money, of course. But on Saturday, they have
a public event that's in you know, kind of a
densely packed area in SF. It's like right off the

(38:04):
Golden Gate Bridge, and that one's free, so anybody can
go to that one, but they tried to get a
head count by accepting our vps, and I think they
said it's like a thousand people rsvp'.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
So I'll bekor for the private.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
One the public one.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
So I don't know what parking's going to be like,
but I'm going to try to get down there, but
I don't know. Just seeing people's first impressions of it
is always a lot of fun. In person, you get
a totally different reaction than online. And they just posted
a video actually of taking it by the coast and
interviewing people, and I loved when they asked them, how

(38:44):
much do you think it costs? That really validated everything
you said about, you know, sporty two seaters in the past.
It was pretty much like every person they asked was
like probably eighty thousand dollars or one hundred thousand dollars,
Like everyone was convinced it was the high price. And
as soon as they said no, we're talking like mid thirties,

(39:04):
Everyone's like, what.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
People for this thing?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
For this exactly? One?

Speaker 3 (39:13):
I could live with that exactly. I'll take two, yeah, exactly.
So it's a cool time. I feel like we're witnessing
the birth of a whole new brand and a whole
new company.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
So I want them to succeed, if more than anything else,
is because I want I want more diversity of styles
out there. And I don't mean by like a sex
like the types. I don't think I agree. I don't
think there is a single two seater regular car that's

(39:46):
out there because the roaster hasn't shipped until then. This
is a two seater that's really a fit. Look at
that thing. That's so cool.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
I was there at some point, know where they when
they took this footage, but that's swinging up and everything.
Anytime they're around, I try to go see them. But yeah,
It's the thing about a.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Tera man is that they they didn't do what everybody
else did and go public, and that builds a certain
level of confidence that they actually, if anything else bare minimum,
that they're taking this seriously. They're not looking for our
cash out, then the cell and then leave and then
what like. They're actually taking right seriously because they didn't

(40:34):
go public, and I think they're they will be the
first right. I'm trying to think, is there.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Anyone who's not public that put out an all electric.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Anything?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Probably, But I'm having a hard time remembering. You're right,
it's definitely the exception, not the rule. But you know,
speaking of doing things outside of the norm, I'm trying
to win you over on Lucid slowly because I but
I was just bringing attention to this recently. Lucid has
not taken a single reservation for the gravity.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
They're waiting for more funding from UH.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
I mean they are public, but yeah, yeah, they don't
get any brownie points from you for that.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Well, they're not taking to pass.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
I need more info. Why why aren't they? There's is it?
Is there a production issue? Is it because they know
they're not ready? Is it because they don't need it?

Speaker 3 (41:38):
They've said several times now they expect deliveries to be
end of this year. So I don't think I.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Close my mind because I was just tomed this to
my brother that he was like, oh, yeah, things are
in October. In my mind, October is like ninety days
from now. It's not. It's not even.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Like a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
When you say end of the year, I'm thinking like,
oh so in six months, Like, oh no, not six months.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
No, They've they've got pre production units coming off the
line already. They're they're driving them around, they're showcasing the
nas port.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Here are they gonna be the first to ship with nacks.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Everyone just keeps saying early twenty twenty five. It's gonna
be a close call. I think between who was it?
The Ionic five for the twenty twenty five model year
said that they will have NAX natively. They said that
Gravity will have NAX in early twenty twenty five, even
though they're saying deliveries or end of this year, so
the first three months will have CCS.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I guess, I don't know. It's gonna be weird.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
But apterol also has to have NAX natively, and that's
Q two, So it's gonna be It's gonna be a
toss up, but it might honestly be up to Tesla.
Tesla's not added anybody to the supercharger network since Ford
and Rivian, even though there's a long list of companies
that have said they want to have access via adapt

(43:00):
so I'm kind of I'm kind of curious what the
hold up is. Like GM has been on the list
for a long time and they still don't have adapter access.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
But good good, you don't want them to, huh, you're
that charger elitist.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
I am. Well, when it comes to GM, I still
haven't forgiven them for what they did fair enough in
reference to the very first ev.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Oh yeah, I thought you just meant the Blazer or
the bull that too, what they did.

Speaker 4 (43:37):
I haven't forgiven GM.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Feels like they just all they do is keep cutting
corners or coping out on some stuff. I'm like, guys,
like I wanted GM to be up there. I think
I even wanted them to, you know, have a better
standing than Ford and hasn't. I'm like, oh man out
of legacy Auto, like GM is my least favorite right now,

(44:01):
it's been for a while, and and Legacy Auto, I
think I mean numbers where numbers are due. I think
it's Ford. I think Ford is my favorite Legacy Auto
right now for all things VV. Those guys, uh yeah,
I did not understand. I still I still don't. I'll
be honest with you, I don't understand the Mustang. It's
not a vehicle for me, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
But it has supercharger access.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
But that maybe so, like that's the thing right like now,
it's I can get over design or even maybe some
limitations if the most important thing what we pride ourselves
on this podcast is efficiency with charging and there's nothing
better than the Tesla Supercharging Network. So yeah, I in

(44:49):
order of like what I can get today that I
would want, I would say Tesla top. You know, it's
it's it's always been, probably will always be.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
If I'm being realistic, I think I think I'm gonna
have a well, I think Test is going to always
be in my lineup in some capacity here at vast
as HQ, we got to have at.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Least one and right below it, I'd say, for biased reasons,
I like Rivian and then I blowed forward like those
are my top three right now as of Q three
of Q three of UH twenty twenty four. But yeah,
I want I want more fresh blood in the game.

(45:31):
I want I want that. I want that young energy
that's out here. Said it's like they got they got
a statement and they're trying to get market share and
they got they got vision and stuff like that, and
I just everything I just said, I'll see any of
that with GM.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
GYM is just there after the whole cruise thing. It's
hard to be proud.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah, now I'm more excited for for Kia and UH
you know with with or you know, any of the
EV EV six is sexy Ionic five. I just like
what that whole platform is doing as a whole for
both companies, and uh, they'll be probably my second slash
third favorite legacy auto. But that's the thing, man, Like,

(46:16):
imagine how much imagine how much more competitive everybody will
get when like Apptara is out there and they have
a very low cost, and I don't think they'll discontinue
their vehicles the way like the bolt. The bolt was
the the cheap you know, hey, if you don't got
X amount of money, but you want an EV, get

(46:36):
the bolt.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
And so now ap Terra can take that, take that
market for affordability, and.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
So man, that's convinced.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I think they might unintentionally attract a more premium segment.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
For the range are you talking about? For range?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
For the range? And also the look.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
I mean, I think the cyber truck is a very
telling example of what happens when you have an eye
catching radical design. If we just look at the cyber
truck on paper, it doesn't really I mean, steerby wire
is cool. I guess the charging speed apparently can get

(47:18):
really good. Someone somehow prototype tested one in Europe and
got it to charge over four hundred kilowatts, so that's good.
Charging speed is cool, the software is cool, but if
you strip away the design, it's kind of like, okay,
over six thousand pounds, three hundred ish mile range truck.

(47:39):
You know, it's not like drastically that different from what's
on the market already. You know, it kind of falls
in line with the Lightning or the Silver Auto. But
it's that look that Cybertruck is gathering six figures from
every delivery so far, so much that you know, Shaq

(48:03):
needed two of them because he wanted to drive them everywhere.
Just it carries a certain kind of luxurious feel and
stance to it that you know that you want attention,
you want people looking at you, And I have a
feeling that after Aptera launches, it's going to attract that
kind of attention where people are like, oh no, that

(48:25):
really that really shows what kind of person I am,
or that you know, how I feel about the environment
or whatever. I could see a lot of people trying
to compete to get some of the first ones once
they come out.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I could be way off.

Speaker 4 (48:39):
But here's why I disagree slightly.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Ap Tara is not a known brand the way Tesla
is with cyber Truck. People knew what Tesla was before
cyber truck, and so there was a heightened amount of
attention and a delay in the build up of this
thing because everything after cyber truck, everybody's trying to be
unique or eye catchy or something because of exactly what

(49:08):
the cyber truck did. And I'd like to call the
cyber truck effect. And ap Tara will have a cyber
truck cyber truck effect. I even if it's out of
you know, efficiency in the name of efficiency, it's different
by design intentionally, same as you know your little uh

(49:32):
Mini Cooper project over there down in the bay as
well for Tello, and that's gonna be I catch you
for all all the right reasons as well. But the
problem that I do see with these startups, like nobody
knows what a Tera is, nobody knows, nobody knows who
they are. They're like, oh, ap Tara, who owns that?
You know? That's that's how they asked that, you know.

(49:53):
And it's not good to be the same. It's not
going to be the same. Uh hig and uh intensity
surrounding it next year, in the first half at least,
if say everything's true with meeting deadlines the way Cybertruck
has been with the Founder series. Because everybody knows Tesla

(50:13):
and I kind of want to be wrong about that.
I think we need. I think what app Tara needs
is more of that new media coverage stuff like Marquez
with auto focus and you know, Jerry Rigs everything and
everybody else.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
Do you know, you go down the list, all of them, everybody.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
That you need, you need your uh your social media influencers. God,
I hate that word, but I really do. I I
just took five minutes off of my life. But you
do you need you need that new energy because I
mean I can see Jay Leno checking it out too,
Don't get me wrong. I can see it, but it's

(50:56):
not going to be really targeted for Jay Leno. Well
maybe maybe jay Leno because he doesn't have any kids,
so he's a he's a guy himself. But yeah, you
take a look. But uh a terrybody.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah he did check it out. By the way, I
did not see this on his channel. Oh yeah, it
was a while how long ago?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
This is?

Speaker 3 (51:19):
Actually he had the original one, the hybrid back in
the day, and then he had the new one eleven
years ago, one two years ago.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Okay, I'm more just about the two years ago one
because that one's more really.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Yeah yeah, well that was that was before even Gamma,
but yeah he did.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
He did drive it around.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I gotta watch it.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
They should do another one when the PI builds are done.
It's like introduction.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I act seen people like Jay Leno or or who
who else, Jerry Seinfel or anybody was like all about
cars or whatever. I like the older people get involved
with stuff like this because it gives me clarity of
a wider spec type of people who would have a
type of interest in this. I'm not going to go

(52:06):
I'm not gonna go on your channel and just take
that as you know, valid research, because it's heavily skewed.
Everybody's more or less like a futurist who would be
commenting on that unless they're you know, they want to
crap on it, but then they have no ficion But
you're not gonna have somebody who doesn't know.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
That area to be like no, I don't even know
what that is.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Whereas like if I look at somebody like a Jay
Leno or whoever, somebody older who's been around. They have
a whole different set of audience eyes on them, and
that gives me a clearer picture not of the success
of the product, but just where the market is, because
I mean, it is a business. They need to sell them,

(52:48):
and not just to us, not to just people younger
than gen X. It needs to sell to the people
who's got money as well. And if if everyone else
is crapping on it for whatever idiotic reason, then they're
not destined to survive. But I don't take that as

(53:09):
like full state research for doing any type of analysis
on it, because I mean you could, you could have
done the same thing, but I'm sure people did do
the same thing with Fisker, and you know, look how
that turned out. But again, Aptera didn't go public.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
They're being very smart with their money. They're being very smart.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
With with how this is working. Which is why you
gotta like every startup ev I actually I say startup
company doesn't.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Let's get even.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Wider and weirder than EV's. Anybody who wants to be
a startup and start their business, you got to have
a solid foundation first, no matter what like it, because
you will have failure. Inevitably, at some way, shape or form,
they will be failure. And that foundation's got to be
able to catch your but when you fall so you
can stand back up. If you don't got a south foundation,

(54:03):
that thing falls through too, and you're not just on
a house of cards. That's that's how you get into
these messages where you think like, oh, if that's just
will buy me on save me. Maybe there's a hidden
element of like cynicism towards Lucid because it's something like that.
No one, no one but Tesla. So far for news companies,

(54:23):
no one's earned it, and I even Rivian hasn't earned it.
It doesn't matter the backing of Amazon, but out of anybody,
I really think a TA might earn it. I really
do feel that way. I don't know why. I don't
know enough about their financials to understand that, but it's

(54:44):
just the fact that they're taking themselves seriously. I feel
like you're gonna earn a certain level of success or
at least longevity. Hell I even say respect in them
in that matter too, doesn't matter if you like it
or not like it. I already said I would never
be a customer because it doesn't fit my I have
more than two people in my family, so that particular
model I can never do. But I would still have

(55:06):
my respect. And that's not even because we're six one nine.
Has nothing to do with being a good old San Diego.
It's just strictly out of like you're being smart as
a business about this and after it has had failure.
You know, they've been around a lot longer the people know,
and they've been through their failure.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
And that's what I respect a lot, is the fact
that they did try and fail and that hasn't stopped them.
Like they're still doing it again, and in a lot
of ways, it hasn't changed. Like exterior wise, it's almost
the same thing all these years later. You can see
kind of the the similarities there between the original. I mean,

(55:47):
there was a window cut out here, but that doesn't
affect the shape, like you know, the general shape is
still there because they they have a passionate in consistent
ethos about like efficiency.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
First, here's what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
So yeah, I stayed committed and I applaud that, and
I'm excited to see them all again. Should be good.
It's a good team that got there. But we'll uh,
we'll see what they got. There might be some other
things just then, more than just a prototype.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
That's what I'm hearing.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
So I need mm hmm. I hope uh. I hope
Tello has some form of success in their own journey
as well. And it's not because you you work with them.
I like I like small I like small vehicles. I'm
a kind of guy, and uh a small truck. I
I if if if the money was right, or maybe

(56:50):
the pricing was right, or how do you want to
wear that? I would I would have a Maverick. That
would be my truck of choice. I would like to
have a Maverick, but they don't do ev Mavericks. I'm
not going to do a hybrid. No, And even if
I was to do a hybrid, I don't like the
cost of it. I looked it up and I don't
like it. So that leaves me with the Tacoma equivalent,

(57:13):
which is an R one T right, and that's kind
of cool. But if there's something smaller than that, but
you don't compromise on the bed, uh, you know, five
foot bed, I'm okay done.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Like I the Tello bed is bigger than either the
Arwin t or the Maverick.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Still pretty crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, so I bought the Missess because they're so weird
and unique in that sense, just weird.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
I like weird companies.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Weird. People thought Amazon was weird in the late nineties.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, I don't really understand why so many people think
it's like, I mean, I guess that's what their angle
was before I joined. But they very much have that
attitude of like it's meant for city people that want
to go up into the mountains. And I'm like, I mean, sure,
but I think the addressable market's much larger than that.

(58:10):
I don't think it's just city people that want smaller trucks.
It's like it's a matter of cost. It's just people
who want more affordable vehicles. You have a smaller vehicle
that uses less energy than you get a smaller battery pack,
it saves money. And I mean, if you look at
the cost of battery packs today, like sure, it may

(58:30):
be the singular, biggest piece of a lot of evs cost,
but it's still not It's not like fifty percent of
the cost. It's it's the big it's like the biggest
singular piece, but it could still be like twenty percent,
which means there's eighty percent of other parts that contribute
to the overall cost. And when you're thinking smaller, you

(58:52):
have smaller parts that take less material each step of
the way. Now you need smaller manufacturing string equipment that
doesn't have to stamp out as crazy of a shape
or as crazy of a panel that you would on
a much larger vehicle. You have less space to paint,
you have less space to wrap, you need less glass. Overall,

(59:14):
you need less wiring because the wiring doesn't have to
go as far. All of these cost savings of size
really do stack up, and it's easy, I think, to
probably just look at Tello's launch price and be like, oh,
fifty K. Well, cyber truck when they do, non foundation
will be eighty after tax credit, maybe seventy, and then

(59:34):
re real drive will be you know, fifty five or
something that's close to the same price. But it's like, no,
that's Tello's fully featured vehicle price. Over time, they can
also take out a motor, take out battery modules. The
floor for them is much much lower than everybody else.
Obviously they won't launch with the cheapest model, but just

(59:58):
long term I could see that being super applicable to
not just cityfolk, but just like people who want a
very cost effective vehicle or a video I'm kind of
working on that that I haven't posted yet. Is just
unlike the Aptera. Actually it feels weird because I don't
like saying anything bad about after there's enough critics. There's

(01:00:21):
enough critics of them out there. But really, the biggest
downside of the Aptera, in my head, it's not safety,
because they have a ton of great safety systems. It's
not the look, but it's it's the uh, the fact
that it's a two seater. Just like you said, that's
like it prevents it from being practical for you because
you've got a family you can't all fit in it.

(01:00:42):
But I think for a lot of people out there
that Tello could be like the perfect one car solution
because you get the efficiency of I mean, there's efficient
evs sedans that are probably a bit better but probably
similarficiency to like a crossover electric crossover, and then you

(01:01:04):
still have a truck. You still have something that can
do off roading, that's still fast and has all wheel drive,
but it can still fit the whole family. It's like
kind of the best of both. Most of the time,
when you make that decision that, oh, we want a
truck for the occasional camping or when we need to
move something we want to have a bed or for

(01:01:24):
work or whatever. Usually when you make that sacrifice to
buy a truck, you're paying a penalty when it comes
to the efficiency of it. It's like, oh, now your
mileage is way worse. You don't want to commute with
that thing, you don't want to do road trips, or
the cost of trucks is typically higher than that of
sedan's and crossovers and stuff, So you've got to pay

(01:01:47):
this premium to access a more inefficient vehicle. Whereas I
think Tello's mindset is, let's try to make something that's
easy to park, easy to navigate in a big city,
but also can fit everybody as it And I think
for a lot of households, if you can only afford
one car, it might be the perfect one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
It could be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
The master of all trades, jack of none.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Yeah, but of course I'm super biased.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So yeah, you are biased, but there's extremely biased. But
there's merit and the biases your bias because you you
chose to work with them as opposed to I mean maybe,
I mean, a job's a job. If if somebody legacy
came to you said, hey, we want you to run

(01:02:39):
marketing on our socials, I mean maybe you would have
said yes, But I don't think you would have been
as passionate knowing that you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
No, I couldn't do it for Ford or Toyota. I
definitely couldn't do it for GM.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Exactly because they sucked.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
There's a lot of startups I also would have said
no to, like Faraday Future.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I don't there's no passion there.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
There's nothing I see that's making me go, Yeah, that
gets me excited for the future.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I want to see more of that. Fisker. I talked
to several Fisker employees.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Of course, by the time I was talking to them, uh,
they weren't hiring.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
They were doing the opposite.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
But exactly, I really only would have said yes to
companies that I've felt like, we're genuinely exciting and we're
doing something different. I would have had to think about
it right now, mister. I only would have joined for Thomas.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Yeah, you gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
I just want to work with him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
He's amazing, But you know it was like to me,
I would only want to work with a startup that
I believed had something unique and different that separated them
from everybody else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
You would have taken over. Tell if they came to you.
I'm not asking, I'm telling you, if they can, you
would have you been. They've been around longer, They're sooner
to launch. They excite you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
To be honest, this isn't gonna help me in any way.
If after is watching this, I have everything to gain
from not saying what I'm about to say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Even listen to our podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
You might be surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
It's not a single Fellow six has ever made contact
with me, and I'm your biggest advocate.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
All I'm saying is I don't know what I could
really give to them that they don't already have. Like
my expertise is in getting the word out and marketing
stuff like figuring out social media algorithms. And af Terra's
got the demand figured out. That's not their problem.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
They They've got over forty eight thousand paid reservations. The
product frankly sells itself. They just park it on the
side of the road and the crowd shows up like
they got so many deposits that I don't really know
what I would do differently like that, you know, Chris
McCammon is crushing it, And what would I do, Like

(01:05:27):
what would what would my job be?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
But that's not the point I'm saying. If they did come,
that's not the point. If they came to you, you would
have taken them over Tello. I know you would have.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Well, I felt, like I'm telling you, see, I picked
the Tello job was a good fit because even I
didn't know hardly anything about them before we did the
video on them. Like Mike was the one who found
out about them and said, hey, they're they're based in
the Bay Area, we should check this out, like they're here.

(01:06:01):
It wasn't my idea at all. I think he brought
him up on the podcast once a long, long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
There was one we did a we did a whole
recap and when your Absence a few years ago where
he showed me I've seen Tello's concept for well over
a year now, maybe a year and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
I've been much longer than a year ago that that
whole website went up and everything.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
So that's when whenever that website went live.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Mike, Okay, that was the episode you were not You
were not here that that week, and I need to
show you this thing. I think. I think it's while
you were on travel, so it had I think June
look look somewhere from June forward.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
I would mind it because it'd be really funny to watch. Now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
He brought that on my radar and I was like,
this is really cool looking and I was like, it's
kind of weird. But he showed me all these things,
and he showed me their their the website specs and
what what they're aiming for. Was like, yeah, it made
me feel something. And I'm pretty sure I would have
said it in that podcast if he was playing hypotheticals
with me, I would have taken that vehicle as a

(01:07:08):
non launched product. I would have back to that one
over an Aptera, just because it would have fit my life.
Like you were saying, it has more universal appeal, just
with with with with seats inside the cabin. It's yeah,
it's a it's a literal necessity for for someone like me.
There's no scenario where I can't plan for you know, me,

(01:07:33):
wife and child, it's just it's not that's not in
my life anymore. It's always going to be like that.
And there's a lot of people who have bigger families too,
and stuff like that, and Aptera is just it just
this model, the one that they're starting with, can't work
for me. But but I'm trying to throw you a

(01:07:56):
bun and you're not taking it. If they came to
me with a job, I would have taken it, all right,
there you're at, Chris. You listen to me, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
You wouldn't have bought the vehicle, but you would have
taken the job.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I would wait for the one that's supposed to that
would fit my lifestyle. Assuming they have aspirations to go
beyond a two seater, which I don't see why they wouldn't,
you know, if if that's if they want to grow
the business and make more seats, and by then, dude,
oh dude, I just had a realization. This is their

(01:08:35):
version of of Tesla in the sense of of Tesla
started with the Roadster, which was a two seater exactly,
and by then when they move on to a more
seat vehicle at Terra, they will have brand recognition from
the Afterra and by then maybe even design language and

(01:09:00):
branding is present in all things with that. Yeah, I
can see myself then at that point if they still
stick to the ethos of like, you know, efficiency over
anything else, Solar, all these cool things that blows my mind.
No one else is really like on board with right now. Yeah,

(01:09:22):
I I would, I would one get excited for something
that seats more than two at that point, even even
out in Colorado that we would get hail. I'm sure
they can figure out a way that doesn't damage the
vehicle with hail.

Speaker 3 (01:09:37):
Yeah, they put the solar through the hail test chunks
of ice ninety miles an hour, shoot at it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Ninety two Please, I need one hundred and twenty miles worth.
I'm not joking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, I believe you.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Yeah, And apparently that that that's that's we don't get
fires like that out well, we do get hang out, Yes,
we do. We get fires out here just like anywhere
else in the West.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
But fire and ice are our fired ice.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Yeah, that's our achille heels. Uh. Hell, hell is more
more realistic of what's going to break things around here,
as it's done many times before. Hell and wind, you know,
being in up mountains. This this high wind is a thing.
So as long as the vehicle can withstand at and
even then like because this, I guess everything else I've

(01:10:23):
ever said. If I had an app Tara, I'm not
putting that thing in the garage and leaving three free
miles on the table or on the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Even if I had a garage, I wouldn't park it in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Yeah, no, that's where my Prima Donna, you know, preceed
model three Phoenix can go going there.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
But yeah, che terras, you gotta go outside everywhere, everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
That thing that won't even know what a garage looks like. No,
I would do like that. Yeah, so in that sense, yeah,
maybe not a ter but realist.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
That tell.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
When Mike showed me Tello, you know, so long ago,
I was like, WHOA, that's neat because the first thing
I says, I liked how small it was. I was like,
this is sick, this is compatible, this is everything so well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
And the reason I wanted to take the job and
was talking with so many people over it about how
good of an idea it was was because, unlike APTERA,
the word was not really out about them. Very few
people were aware AFTERA had the whole first attempt with
the hybrid way back in the early two thousands, so

(01:11:36):
that whole community was already aware and came back for
the solar one and was like, oh, yeah, they're trying again. Heck, yeah,
I'll invest a second time. I don't care. I want
I really wanted the first one to succeed, and now
I want this one to succeed. So there's a lot
of investors that are two times like, oh yeah, I
was around in the early days, and I'll be around

(01:11:56):
when they die and restart again. I'll I'll keep investing
however long it takes. And Tello is just so young,
so new, and I looked them up on YouTube and
couldn't find anything.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, tell tell the people what you did. I saw
what you little thief, I saw what you did.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
Tell I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
What did I do?

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
You you unintentionally or maybe intentionally, but I think you
unintentionally proved a point. You're like, hey, this handle's available.
Oh I know you know how I know because I
got it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:37):
Hire don't or I will sell it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
That part that that's my version of the story. That's
not how I went.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Have I told that story publicly? I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
I don't, I don't know. But that proves the point that, like,
you were meant for this role because you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
They were asking me if I was interested in doing
the job, and I didn't tell them yes right away
because we had to figure out like what is the
job looking like?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Am I moving? You know?

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
All those details had to be figured out. But just
because they planted the seed in my head of like, hey,
we're thinking of some kind of marketing guy, I went
on YouTube because I was curious, is Tello Trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
I don't think they have a channel.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
I haven't seen any content from them. So I go
to the handle section on YouTube where you can enter
the handle you want, and I entered Tello Trucks and
it was available. So I was just like, anyone could
take it, might as well be me. I was like,
if I don't take it, maybe someone else will, and

(01:13:38):
I want them to have it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
So I just texted them.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Or emailed the I think I was talking with someone
through discord, and I just said, hey, if even if
you don't hire me, I've got the handle. I'll give
it over to you for free. But I claimed it
so that you could have it regardless of what happens,
and I had no malicious intent. But you're probably right.
It's sent a good It was a good first impression

(01:14:04):
that they were like, oh, this guy's thinking of things
we weren't even worried about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Congratulations, Drew, you passed the first test of the interview.
You're a person with integrity and also forward thinking about
our blind spots. And uh, that was the interview. You're hired.
Even if somebody showed, you know, exploited my my vulnerabilities,

(01:14:33):
my weak end points of something, I would have been like, yes,
you passed the first test.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
We set that up, we were hoping you would do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
But no, I want your opinion honestly, because you know,
at Terra's content has been crushing it lately and doing great,
and I'm you know, running a lot of the content
for Tello, but it's definitely not at the level of
traffic that Aptera gathers, even though you know, I love Aptera,
no disrespect and I can't wait to hang out with

(01:15:07):
them all on Friday and see the prototype again and
some more stuff. But like, as far as the content goes,
what do you think we need more of or less
of or less me. I keep asking them all right,
Like I don't have to be the guy on camera
all the time. I'd be more than happy for someone

(01:15:28):
else to host a video.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
But okay, that was an honest question, So I'm gonna
give you an honest answer. You suck. I think people
will be less in frame, be the in focused person
once there's actually more product two show.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
That's true. Yeah, that's a good point. So now a
prototypes yet.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
So for what for what it's worth right now? Like
it's it's totally acceptable, and it humanizes the situation too.
I like looking at content where I can see a person,
not just a voiceover, because it humanizes the experience that
you help make a more personable connection that way, in.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Regards to what you guys could be doing different.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
Or better or whatever that case may be. I think,
to be honest with you, getting the word out there
that that's that's the tricky part because there there's there's
different ways you go about this words like you do
you do an ad campaign? Do we rely on word
of mouth and exposure or sharing? Maybe it's really hard

(01:16:41):
for me to not use my history with you as
an example, But I think things that work with you
when you're on camera is there's an element of fun
and you've got the excitement part down, but maybe you
should explore skits, humor. You know, memes. A meme makes

(01:17:06):
you successful, right like that? By then that's that's how
growth happens within a meme. Find find a way to
poke fun or make fun or have fun in a
way that's not hurting the brand necessarily. But show that. Listen,

(01:17:28):
we don't have our first product out there, but for
what it is that make make a meme? Make a
skit about the concept of this vehicle, or I know
you enough to know that you can. You can pull
something out of nothing, and you can you can come
up with more material when you put your funny hat on.
Every time we hang out in person, ladies and gentlemen,

(01:17:48):
you should see the jokes. We were cracked. We joked
all the time. For the whole week he was here,
there was not a moment or day where we were
not just like laughing hysterically and cracking jokes and stuff
like that. And so I mean, if you're checking out
the content, if you listen to us on podcasts or whatever, then.

Speaker 4 (01:18:05):
There's a level of you connecting with us.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Ah, same thing, Drew, just poke, poke fun at yourself
with it, make a skit, have multiple variants of you,
or get other people at the company in on it
involved the day if they're up for it. But have
have more fun in the sense of being funny, be
be you the way you are with your with your

(01:18:31):
sense of humor. You know, get get get get kind
of weird with it too, because it's a weird company
that you shine. I think the brightest when you are
all cylinders creative and for you specifically, there's a there's
an element of humor that goes with you and all that,
even if it's underlining sarcasm or dark humor or just

(01:18:55):
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
Even slapstick comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
There's you pull from all these references and you're able
to consolidate really quickly and you can you can really
run with that. And so the reason why I even
hesitate saying all that in the first place is because
you like that. That's a you thing. I know how
that's how you can sell something. That's how you get
viewers to come back for your channels. And I know
in the EV space, you don't do the skits so

(01:19:21):
people who might not know about the tech stuff have
no idea what the heck I'm talking about. But there
is a level of authenticity that comes with humor. You're
showcasing the humor, and again it not only does it
humanize it, but then it might even incite a sharing frenzy.

(01:19:43):
You tell me that TikTok is a big platform for
you guys. So when I think of TikTok, I think
of cheesy, cringey dance videos, and I think of humor
like Vine humor, and you you have you have the potential,
but you have the tools in your creative space to

(01:20:04):
make that happen. So I think for getting more trafficked
to you, I don't see anybody else cracking jokes. Get
weird with crack some jokes and if that works, if
that works with Tello, this is on record. Now remember
who did this.

Speaker 6 (01:20:22):
That's right, So AFTERO tell if you're trying to hire,
just remember who who planet that seed. Look at what
everybody look at, look at what everybody else is doing,
and don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Go this way.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Marketing one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
It reminds me of like the Dose Secies commercial. The
most interesting man in the world, he goes find the
one thing that you're not good at and don't do
that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
The one thing. All right, good advice, Thank you. I like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
Keep it funny, keep it funny, fun Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
The real foundation just have fun with it. You have
fun with it, and says that when you show your
excitement about something, especially when you start doing like the
nitty gritty about stuff the size cabin space, bad size,
door size, even like all the things that you're like
that you can really nerd out on and have fun with.
That's still true. Still do that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
That one was my idea. By the way, they didn't
even tell me about that. I just they all went up.
When I filmed that short that went up today, I
stopped by. That was actually the same day I met
the Pollstar CEO. When I filmed that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
Oh okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
I walked in because I had some questions about other
videos I wanted to film, and I was like, Hey,
how's it going, And They're like, we're about to go
into a big meeting right now. It is like a
meeting where they decide what the next couple of weeks
look like for everybody, like what the roles are going
to be for all the engineers, they're like, we're about
to go in a big meeting right now. You're welcome
to join, but it's probably gonna be stuff you can't

(01:21:59):
talk about, Like, well, then I probably shouldn't go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I'm sure it's cool, but there's enough stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
I already feel like there's so much stuff they've told
me that I can't talk about the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Right, like the invisibility.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
And the extendable wings, and how it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
When when the plot twist is Tellow actually transforms transforms
into a mansion and it's a big vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
Now and it makes trucks right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Look small that that little in the little transformer.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
But you were telling me about Wow, there's so many,
so many things I already couldn't talk about, so I said,
go ahead, it'll be a good opportunity for me to
film down here. So when I was down and there,
I was looking at the prototypes and I was like, man,
I just noticed, like these doors on the back are
so narrow compared to my car. So I got up

(01:22:56):
the measuring tape measured they're a foot shorter than the
model And the Model three is a relatively small car.
Other trucks out there even bigger. So I was like
that's pretty convenient actually, the fact that you can open
this up and not have to worry about it's swinging
because it's like, I don't know if the production specs

(01:23:16):
will be slightly different, but relatively they'll be close because
the overall size can't change too much. But less than
three feet end to end for the door, Yeah, that's it.
That gives you plenty of room for opening up. So
I was like, yeah, let's let's talk about that. So
it's a it's a very different job than YouTube. I'll

(01:23:39):
say there's there's some overlap with the editing and filming
and posting, but the content itself is very very different, where.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Your approach is very different.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
You come off very like corporate without being corporate. Does
that makes sense? If that makes sense, But you're.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
It should feel a little more corporate.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
That's the it feels like on YouTube, you don't have
anything to sell, you don't have anything to promote, you
don't have anything to showcase. You just it's coverage. It's
it's glorified journalism. It's it's fancier journalism, right, reporting on stuff.
But this when you did tell us stuff like you're

(01:24:25):
showing the evolution of the steps of this thing that's
that that's being worked on with the company. And and
for the marketing part, you're the face of it at
that point. You know, you're the one who's on camera.
You're the one representing it. So there's a level of
represent the product that you're showing. So it's not like
I'm just gonna be here and not take it seriously

(01:24:46):
or have a Google rant or whatever back in the
day if you know, you know, but uh, there's more,
there's more to it, because no disrespect to the YouTube thing,
you know. I say this with love, but there's a
sense of purpose when it comes with Tello. There's a sense.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Of there is there's a mission.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
There's a mission. There's a mission, a tangible mission, something
that has real world effects. Yeah, I mean, so it's
fine the next iPhone. You convinced me on that, but
I mean that has real well effects too, But it's
not the same.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Reminded me, I gotta get up early in the morning.
Oh you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
Yeah, we better wrap this up. Are there other topics
you wanted to cover today?

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
I want to say that you're doing a good job.
I'm thinking about marketing now you're doing a great job both.
I have enjoyed watching the Tello stuff, and I feel
like there's a neat little overlap with with what's happening
with Tello and you represented it on on the socials
and YouTube as well as what you do with TAYLOSAVV
both on your channel and with this podcast. And I

(01:25:55):
but I like about the whole thing as a home
while you're doing a good job is because the vision
is unified still, like you're not you're not compromising anything
about it. People who listen to us or or even
want to get input from a different perspective, maybe they
don't agree with us know where we stand and we

(01:26:16):
believe in it, which is why we're so critical when
it comes to things like when it comes to Tesla
or Legacy Auto. But we're still in our heart, we're
still young. We're just we're just aging, you know, but
we still we still got a young soul. And it's

(01:26:37):
the most it's like a playground for adults. When you
get to do all this stuff, and even when I
just get to talk about it on extended podcasts like this,
there's it's rejuvenating.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
And it's really cool.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
And it all does is it really does, like get
me really excited about the future. I said, statistically, they
all can't make it, but all the time, I hope
I'm wrong. I want anybody to succeed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
You know, I don't mean any disrespect to the other startups, but.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
The right ones are failing. No, that's not how I
mean to say that. What am I trying to say?

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
What is that need to fail? Our failing?

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Yes, basically that's the way. I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
I didn't know people from these companies, so that's why
it might feel easier to attack. But like, I didn't
think lord Stown had a very great idea. It was
just like same truck as everybody else, just it's a stormtrooper.
Fisk Ocean was just like big heavy suv. What really

(01:27:47):
separated it, I don't know the look. It was slightly
different looking, but they didn't really stand out.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
In any ways.

Speaker 3 (01:27:55):
And I'm I'm like, yeah, they they didn't have like
much to add to the table basically, But I feel
like Aptera has a lot to add to the table.
I think Tello has a lot to add to the table,
which is why I was so excited and flattered. And
I hope people recall that even before the job offer.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Things started.

Speaker 3 (01:28:16):
I was I was making very Tellow truck positive content.
I was, I was pumped.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
Your video was viewed more.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Than their Yeah what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:28:28):
You hi?

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
I am there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
Before you were theirs. They're there.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
I'll be honest, I'm kind of hoping at some point,
I know it's early, but I'm kind of hoping another
YouTuber or another media group like wants to reach out
because I would love to be interviewed as a representative
for Tellow Trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
That hasn't happened yet.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
I've been interviewed as teloseif as a representative, but I
would love to like speak for the company in some capacity.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
That would be cool. But I was like, if if
no one asks, then we might.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Just have to let Telos of interview Tello's marketing guy.
We'll have one in the one in the button up,
one in the T shirt, one has.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
A little Tello emblem logo right there. I'm here on
official capacity on behalf of uh Tello and the other
ones like, oh wow, you know I did.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
That's actually there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:33):
That counts.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
I just have it right here and we could just
have a telosive interview.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
With with tello. There's a skin then and then I'll
get fired immediately after.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
So my first I don't know I was about to
do to cook My first question, why are you so
hands Why do they hire such handsome people? Oh? Thank you, Drew.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
Yeah, there's some there's some good material in there somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
The ingredients are there. It's just gotta figure how you
want to bake it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
Yeah, Yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Oh my god. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
I can't wait for so many of the things they're
working on to be shared. And I, from the beginning,
have always been passionate about Like I'm not against trucks,
for the record, I just don't like big, inefficient vehicles.
And that's what struck a chord with me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
You know. My first vehicle was a Ford Ranger, and
I love that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
It was easy to park at a huge bed and
while it may not be safety wise legal anymore, it
could sit five.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
It was.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
It was two in the back facing each other on
these tiny chairs with the seat belts built into the doors,
so if your seat belt was buckled and you tried
to open the door, you literally crushed the organs of
the occupants.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
It was great. And then a bench seat in the front.
You could sit three people in the front row. And
I drove that thing all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
And I'm thinking about it a lot these days, actually,
because I'm, you know, teaching my younger sister how to drive,
and I was like, I learned to drive on that
Ford Ranger, and now I'm teaching her to drive on
this old Sonata.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
But man, I I loved that truck. I threw the tribe.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
These tripods behind me were in the back of that truck,
and I drove it around and filled in the movies,
and me and my friends would sit in the bed
and get Little Caesar's pizza back when it was affordable.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Back to those.

Speaker 4 (01:31:36):
Spot dollars and hot and ready right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
I noticed some of the new Little Caesar's places drop
the hot it just as ready.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
And then you go in there and they need ten
minutes and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
It will be ready in ten. That's not ready.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
Why did the side sait ready? There's just so much
nostalgia I have with that old truck.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
And the only problem with it was it ran on
gasoline and it had a transmission which went out and died,
so we had to scrapped the whole thing. But so
I'm I'm there's a nostalgia element there that I'm really
passionate about of like we're we're making the Ranger great again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
Dag it, I can't say that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Mar Mar marre Ma, Mara, Mara.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Excuse me. Listen, I'm talking now. Have you heard that?

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
Do you know that what I'm Excuse me, excuse me,
I'm talking now? Do you know about Mara? We're gonna
make a Ranger great again? Marga, Margarita, I'm talking. Excuse me,
Just don't we both started with the eating. Just dud,

(01:33:03):
eat the trucks. They're eating the trucks. I'll tell you
what's going out in Ohio.

Speaker 4 (01:33:07):
Believe me, but they're eating the trucks.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
Uh, all right, do you have any closing statements?

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
That was it?

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
You have sixty seconds?

Speaker 7 (01:33:17):
We're done, quite frankly, excuse me, excuse me. I gotta respond,
I gotta respond now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Mara, make a Ranger, Marga, make make a Ranger great again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
Marga, margar Rita, Margarita.

Speaker 1 (01:33:34):
Who's Rita?

Speaker 7 (01:33:34):
Rita's a lovely great person. Biggest crowds, biggest crowds. Believe me,
your crowds are fake, Drew mine not real.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
I think we've checked off every EV podcast cliche.

Speaker 1 (01:33:52):
Now almost I got one more. I have two more.
I'm worried about the cyber truck.

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
And beautiful All right, thanks so we'll catch it next week.
Take care of bye bye bye