Ep. 195 - The Aptera Event - Tailosive EV Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to the Taylor's TV podcast, Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
We finally got rid of that other guy. I couldn't
get him out of here. But Mike, it takes two.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Two to what I was gonna pretend to be Randy.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
You totally threw off the old I want to see
Randy impression.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I think it just me being or doing a very
terrible Trump impression pretty much.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
But yeah, that would work.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Believe me, Hi, I'm back. Uh, they kept me in
a trunk for too long. Drew forgot that he kept
me in there. After a week or so, he went
to the whole thing in San Francisco with after that
is about to discuss in this wonderful episode, and he
opened up the trunk to show Chris McCammon something, and

(01:12):
Chris pointed out that, hey, you've got a mic in
there tied up in the back. Are you gonna let
them out? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
It must have been crammed. Made car camping a lot harder, but.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Elevanated your legs a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Thank you for your sacrifice.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Thank you for bringing back some of the stuff I've
forgotten Colorado good sir, Yes, I.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Needed someone to do that for me. But didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Well, I can't repair the favor, but you can tell
me all about the whole Apptara thing as we get
into this podcast. So you got to see it? Was
this a fifth or sixth time? Now? How many times
are at this point? Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:56):
First time I saw Gamma was in what was it November?
I think we went down to do the first testing.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Not me, but yes, yeah, me and Louise Is we.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
Still waiting on my invite.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
I'm on, Chris, we could coordinate it, sure, And then
I guess No, I didn't see Gamma when I went
down last April. That was just a bank. Gamma was
already boxed up and headed to UAE. So this was
actually just my second time seeing Gamma. But I at
the entire event, I never sat in Gamma.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well you did get to sit in the new seats.
Well that's true, very jealous. How did it feel?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I was definitely more firm than the Model three seats,
but yeah, no, it was good.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Explaining the video, it felt flatter compared to the seat
that you mostly sit in these days, which is your
Model threes.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Right, I don't know if that's necessarily by design. After
I posted the video Jason hill DMed me and told
me a little bit. Even though they're like production seats,
I think there still might be a few more changes
before they're actually delivered. But he said it mainly had
to do with like some of the fabric material that

(03:18):
they were using. Like it's kind of one of those
things where those were like release candidate seats where you're
ironing out the assembly line. You're seeing like how can
we crank this out and at what scale and what capacity?
So those were like the first production as in production
process seats. It doesn't necessarily mean there will be no changes,
but yeah, definitely, even in the mock up APTERA seats

(03:42):
you see in the renders, I think they're going for
a little bit of a flatter design opposed to a
super heavy bowstring, which you know, normally I'm a fan of,
but considering that you have to kind of sit in
it differently than a lot of other vehicles that they
probably thought of it, it's kind of a narrower opening
than usual.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Oh yeah, there you go.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah I got it. Oh yeah, I was a boomerang.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Kind of a kind of a disappointment.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I guess a lot of people weren't aware apparently that
apteras at this time no intention on heated seats, which
to some people is concerning, Like to some people they're
kind of worried about that, but.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
Well, he had seats almost feel like a standard these days,
when Yeah, I think you've come to realize that this
vehicle is not like any other and there's some sacrifices
that do need to be made as a new company,
and especially with these seats, making them less complicated is

(04:49):
definitely the goal. I think that's where Aptara is going
in the right direction, and maybe something that I most
likely disagree with the company that you work for right now, hello,
where they to put in a little bit more technology.
From what I've heard from the discord and all that
and talking with Jason and Forest and all that, so
I'm a little bit more in supportive of what aptear

(05:09):
is doing here is just bringing it back to basics.
We just want a nice, comfortable seat that is good
in all environments. It doesn't have to be vegan leather
or leather or anything else.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's just cloth.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's all we need and it works.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, And I was reading about that with like cloth
or mesh fabric seats they adjust with ambient temperatures a
lot better. So some people argue that the only reason
we've come to expect heated seats as a standard is
because a lot of seats are vegan leather or leather

(05:44):
esque kind of materials now and those will not adjust
with ambient temperature that easily. So if the seats, for example,
in our model three and why we're not heated, they
would stay colder for longer, even when we precondition the cabin,
whereas the Aptura using more mesh fabric seats to keep

(06:06):
cost down also keep weight down just.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Efficiency for it as well. Think about how much power
needs to go through just to provide some resistive heating
elements at least run energy through the resist of heating
elements just to maintain the temperature, when you could easily
just turn on the air conditioning to heat or cool
the cabin in which, yeah, that's going to cost you

(06:32):
a bit more on energy, but you're not just pretty
much turning on a light bulb that is heating someone's back.
That is going to be wasting energy, especially with the
size of the battery in this thing. I think that's
something that can be easily forgettable. Is that just because
it's so efficient doesn't mean it's or because it could

(06:52):
go so far doesn't mean it's got a lot of
energy capacity in there. It's how it uses it is
the focus in this vehicle, and so cost cutting on
the resistive heating element in the seats is actually a
lot better in usage for the vehicle because you're not
getting that range penalty just because you turned on your

(07:13):
heated seat.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
M Yeah, and I've seen some people make the argument
that heated seats can be more efficient because they're attacked.
You know, they're heating you at the surface, and then
you don't have to run the HVAC as hard. I've
seen that argument made, which is a fair criticism, but
I think that it doesn't necessarily apply to a vehicle

(07:36):
like the UPTA, because, for one, it's a much smaller
cabin than most other vehicles. There's only one row, only
two seats, which means you don't have to push hot
air all the way to the second row like you
do on a traditional vehicle. And the carbon fiber body,
if it performs the way they say it will, is

(07:57):
very much going to act like a thermos. It's not
a great conductor like glasses or like a traditional vehicle
using more aluminum for the exterior materials and stuff. So
even though yes, technically you won't have that extra heating element,
I think that and remember Aptera hasn't paid me a dime.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I've just a volunteer.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
But Aptera has a very efficient HVAC system that will
passively heat up the seats just with the air temperature
and then maintain that temperature, in my opinion, fairly easily
because of the carbon fiber body and the mesh fabric
adjusts with whatever the temperature its environment is in. So
I would just say you preheat the cabin and the

(08:42):
seats aren't going to be cold to the touch like
they would if they were leather or vegan leather. Sure,
so it's definitely a cost cutting thing in a manufacturing
simplicity thing. I think in the past they've mentioned that
maybe down the road they're open to doing ventilated or
heated seats once you know production is up and running

(09:03):
and profitability is stable. But I think it's important to
keep in mind like a lot of these other companies,
other startups that had a bunch of fancy features, like
Lucid with their crazy massaging seats and Rivian with all
these intricacies in their seats, Like, these companies have been
delivering for years and are still not profitable and still

(09:24):
have a long ways to go until their vehicles actually
make money, whereas Aptera is in a position where they're like, no,
we can't afford to just burn money for years and
years and years. We need to find ways of cutting costs,
simplifying manufacturing to make it as easy as possible so
that we can break even at six thousand units. And
I think that's probably the more responsible way to run

(09:46):
your company, is like, it's go simple because our hardcore
fan base. And let's also be honest, the Aptera is
a solar charged vehicle, It's probably going to have a
bias with its fan base towards warmer climates.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Chark.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I'm not saying all Aptera fans live in the warm,
sunny climate, but there's probably a decent chunk that are like, yeah,
I don't. I would be willing to bet like sixty
to seventy percent of the accelerators would never activate a
heated seat because they live in a beach climate or
a warm climate, or a climate at least that has

(10:22):
lots of sunlight. People who have lots of sunshine are
more likely to be interested in a solar vehicle. So
I'm not trying to completely throw all of our Canadian
friends under the bus.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
But well, like you said, it fits right, so it's
gonna be decent for both climates. It's just yeah, in
terms of who's going to be most likely buying this first,
or where deliveries are going to be happening first, it's
mostly gonna be buased towards the West coast of the
United States, where it's typically warmer.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
As we saw at the SF event, a ton of
people showed up. Aptera said over five hundred of their
reservation holders are just in the main part of San Francisco.
That's an older render, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
Yeah, so I brought this up for those that are listening.
I've got an old render of seats in the Aptera
and I was surprised because I just looked it up
just to actually I looked up HVAC in this image
showed up, and I was just cross comparing it to
what they have now and what they were thinking about

(11:30):
doing before. And it's not too far. That's the design language,
which I appreciated. Yeah, the only thing that they got
rid of is the weird lumbar pads.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I'm sure that would have complicated the manufacturing.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
But yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Design wise, it's it's very identical. But yeah, I appreciate that.
But i'd agree a lot of the investors, like you said,
I mean you were there personally. There was a huge crowd,
just like what we saw during Moderate Car Week, developing
around this vehicle. And I'm sure maybe some things that

(12:10):
you didn't capture was just the huge amounts of people
interested in this thing and hopefully more and more pre
orders coming through.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yeah, I really did not have much time to film.
That was the sad thing was I wanted to film more,
but I straight up like they needed help.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
That's why they asked me to be there.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
They were like, there's way too many people, so they
they asked for ambassadors to come out. Some of them
came out from Vegas and Texas, and I got to
meet them in person after corresponding with them just in
discord in the past. So it was really cool to
put faces to names. And yeah, I helped them load
up the bank there at the end.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
That was fun.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Quite a process. That's a little detail if you pause
it right there. That I don't want people to forget
that I didn't mention in the video is that almost
all of the cargo of the event, like the stands
and the banners, we could fit in the actual trunk
of the bank. So it was even though it was

(13:12):
just a bank. We joked, this is the four wheeled
Aptera because there's four wheels on the trolley on the bottom.
But yeah, when we were done and we needed to
pack up all that stuff at the end of the event,
we literally fit all the boxes, all the merchandise, and
all the accessories of the marketing material pretty much could
fit in the trunk. So the pictures really don't do

(13:34):
it justice. The pictures really don't make the trunk look
that big.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Yeah, there was a.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
Little snippet of it there, but we actually you can
barely see it there, but you could. We actually fit
the whole mobile connector. They had their own like third
party NACS charger for Gamma.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I see it speaking out there in the little binnacle
or Yeah, you could fit.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
The entire mobile connector in the bunk, okay, right, Yeah,
And then Gene, the incredible Gene gave us that little
chocolate mock up We still haven't eaten that, but yeah,
very cool event to see so many Aptera fans in
one place, and some of it.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
More than Monterey Car Week. I forget if you mentioned
that or not.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Definitely more at least came specifically for Aptera. Okay, the
car Week one that you and I went to, it
was hard to tell, like, because so many people had
no idea.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
What Aptera was, you know, they were just walking by
and said, what is that?

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Whereas this event in SF, there were a bunch of
people that almost every other person in line to sit
in Gamma told me they'd seen my videos.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
It was oh nice.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
It was like a high the highest percentage of viewers
in person I'd ever experienced by far.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
It was just like, hey, I love your stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
I watched a video and a lot of people couldn't
even tell it was me because I had my hat
and glasses on.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Sure to me, they were like, your voice sounds familiar.
Have I seen you somewhere? And I was like, probably not.
They were like, no, you do videos, don't you.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
So that was really fun to see a bunch of
people that were big Aptera fans. Several people got in
line twice and Louise was kind of running the.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Check in desks.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
So in order for people to sit in Gamma, they
had to get a little wristband and they.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Had to.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Register with Aptera with their email. So Aptera got a
lot more people.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
On the newsletter that way.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
But it was funny because at one point Audra comes
out another one of the Aptera marketing people and she says, oh,
by the way, the only people who are supposed to
sit and Gamma are the people with the wristbands.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I was like, I'm not like some of the waits.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
In line this whole day. I'm not gonna turn them
away and be like, you don't have the riskband. I
was like, sorry, right, but I would to let anybody
sit in this thing.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
It's so cool. I don't you know what really.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Neat vehicle And if you're waiting that long just to
sit in it, I think it's worth it at that point,
Like if if this is someone who's excited and is
waiting just to sit in the vehicle, and that's what's
going to give you the funding that you need, even
if it's just a small pre order, but at least
word of mouth as well, that's what sold Tesla's and

(16:26):
Rivian's and all that get their butt in that seat.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
That's what I can't drive it. At least they can
check it out and kind of get the feel for Okay,
this is how I'm going to fit in it. Right,
things are gonna be a little bit different. But here's
maybe the reaching distance to the screen. Okay, that's not
too bad. The arm rest right here, isn't. I mean,
it's totally different, right, so the pineapple leather one.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
But most of their reactions, I pretty much anybody that
got in I usually asked.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I would say, what do you think? Like, what what
are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
I got as much feedback as I could, because I'm like, hey,
I don't work for these guys.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I'm just curious, right, like, what do you think?

Speaker 1 (17:08):
Most of the comments, I would say about eighty to
ninety percent of the comments were very positive. They were like,
it's comfortable, the visibility is really good. Or I thought
the little side the split window, I thought that would
be a blind spot, And now that I'm in the car,
I realized, no, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I can drive with it just fine.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
I really have to drive the cyber truck at some
point I still have not and then convince Aptera to
let me drive Gamma and or just sit in it
again to see the difference, because they both have that
kind of split window situation going on. But I guess
you've been in a lot, and so it's Chris mccannon

(17:46):
so and all these other people who have sign as well,
and it's been a while since I've sat in it.
I guess this is why I'm getting it. But it
would be nice to cross compare those two since they
both are very unique designs, both so entirely different purposes,
but they have some similar design like the split window

(18:09):
in a way where for the cyber truckets pushed forward
because of the shape and for uptire it's mainly for arrow.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
But yeah, I have this extra pillar thing.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Even so, some of what I remember is it didn't
seem awful when I was in San Diego with it.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Your mind kind of fills in the gaps. It's not
a big it's a big deal.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
I would love to drive it again, or drive it.
I haven't driven it. It would be great. I'm every
day I'm growing more and more of a fan of it,
even though I already was to where I have a
pre order. It's just one convincing the wife and then
two trying to find a reason to go through with it, uh,

(18:51):
but three waiting to see just what happens with the
company as well, and with all the generated hype and
excitement for it warms my heart seeing like I think
you put it pretty well in the last podcast. Is
that just seeing a whole new generation or a whole
new like the birth of a new brand happened.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yes, and right.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
It's something to be celebrated and something to generate a
lot more spotlight and excitement over because it's something that
can be a service to society, and it's not obtrusive.
It's very h it's very maybe not clean, what am
I trying to It's very welcoming. It's a very welcoming vehicle.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Generated so much curiosity and it was really special to
just be there and witness everybody's first reaction because there
were still a lot of people who didn't know about
APTA that were just walking by and they were like,
what is this and they ask all the usual questions,
how does it charge?

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Is it just sunlight? You know? Can you drive it
at night time? That was a common one.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Everyone thought there was no big battery, like it was
purely just powered by No. I was like, no, you
can plug it in if you want when it becomes
night time. There's a lot of we were talking about
the day about that today. They were like, what, what's
a common question that seems obvious to you, but the
every day person always asks. And I'm like a lot

(20:20):
of people think solar ev means there's no battery, but
I'm like, no, no, no, it could still go four hundred
miles and stuff. But also I know from experience now
that Aptera's not cherry picking interviews. When they say, like,
if you ask people on the street how much do
you think it costs? They always guess Hi. Every time,

(20:43):
like without fault. I tried over and over and over again.
Every single time someone would be like, so what does
it cost? I'd be like, well, what do you think
it costs? Like what would you guess? And it was
without failure, like.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Sixty thousand, eighty thousand. Some people said one hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Especially when I brought up the carbon fiber body, they
were like, oh, it must be like one hundred grand
or something. And then we'd say, like you know they're
actually targeting under forty thousand. Everyone went what every time?
It was so satisfying to see them go, oh wait
a second, this is like on par with like a Camra,
like right, and it charges itself Like you're not even

(21:19):
factoring in the fact that there's no more gas payments
and stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
So aren't you.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (21:26):
Aren't you in this photos? So we're looking at an
article from ABC's Oh Yeah, San Francisco. I was there
somewhere in this photo.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I was on the driver's side of Gamma for about
four and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
When you first.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Here's the funny thing they told me to, you know,
help people get in, make sure that they don't hit
their heads, and you know, teach them that the right
way of getting in, like butt first and then pivot.
And then he said, you can like motion the door down,
but we don't want to slam it because Gamma's over
two years old now and it's had thousands of people

(22:03):
sit in it, and these are not like production grade parts.
Gamma was mostly handmade, so he was like, we don't
want to wear out the latches, so don't let them
shut the door completely. And I was like, okay, that's fine.
I don't mind just being near Gamma. It's just fun
to be like touching it, interacting with it for hours
and hours and answering questions because I'm a fanboy, so

(22:23):
I'm like, sure, I'll do this as long as you want.
There were several points where Chris came out or other
people came out. They said, do you need a break?
Do you want to trade? Do you want to do
something else?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
And I was like no, I could be here all day. Yeah,
like I'm good.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
And my wife came out, she's like, you need to
put on sunscreen. You're gonna burn, which she was right,
that was a good call. The only reason I took
a break and went inside was because Gene from Experience
Aptera came out to me and he was like, hey,
I watch your videos. I have something for you and
I was like really, what is it? And he was
like you got to come inside and look, and I
was like, oh, okay, I will. So once I swapped,

(23:00):
I swapped with Chris McCammon at that point. That's when
he gave me the chocolate Apterra. So I was very
grateful for Jean for setting us up with that. But yeah,
afterwards I was mostly hanging out in front in front
and asked answering questions and walking the line with people
because the line kept growing.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
And at one point Chris came out when.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I was helping people, and he said, can you speed
it up a little bit because the line's getting pretty
long and we really need to keep it to like
fifty seconds per person more than fifty seconds.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
And I said me, hurry up. I think you guys
need to hurry up.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Maybe if we had three of these vehicles, the line
wouldn't be so long, like when you started delivering them.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
I'm not the one who should be hurrying up. You've
got demand out the doors.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, we cant all these people whind to buy it.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I met a ton of accelerators, by the way, yeah,
and some very high on the list, like I met
number twenty three. Wow, I met number twenty four. I believe.
I'm met number ninety and someone else was one twenty
I believe. Actually the accelerator that was one twenty was

(24:10):
turned out was only he only lives like thirty minutes
for me.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
He was pretty close, so I was like, oh, where
are you from? Oh? Like we should How did I
not know this? We should hang up.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I'm trying to uh maybe make some content with you later,
right please.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
So it was cool to meet a lot of the
accelerators like that, and there were even former apterrat employees
from the early days that came to this event, from
the hybrid days, which is what I was going to highlight.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Here is in the article we call it the hybrid
car made by app Terra. Right, it runs, saw that,
and so I thought, oh, maybe they looked up the
original info on the original app Terra. But then they
say after it runs on solar power but can also
be charged.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I don't know who wrote this.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I think it's a transcript of the ABC News report
because they used that exact same wording. Okay, they said
it's a hybrid, it runs on solar and electricity, and
I remember going.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I've gotten reader view, so I don't get all that.
It must have been someone talking about it because.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I saw the video clip they posted. I put that
in my video, I think at one point, but.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
This is you should make this your phone background at
some point, or at least at Actually, I don't think
you could deleinly ate the two anymore. On the iPhone.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
But well, the funny thing about Gamma and how I
was there to kind of protect it and make sure
that they didn't do anything too crazy is that by
the end I was so busy answering, you know, random
strangers questions on the street that even the volunteers that
were there to watch it, they stopped trying. They stopped

(25:54):
trying to protect the doors. So by the end the
line was still so long. People were just slamming the
door left and right, no problem. They were just closing it,
opening it, closing it, opening it, and wow, nothing went wrong.
The doors were still working even though they were trying
to protect them. Gammas taking it like a champ.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, well, for something, like you said, is a prototype
and was pieced together in haste for what it wasn't
even intended for. Is intended to be, I believe a
rolling mule, right, and then they decided the last second,
let's actually no. I was thinking it's supposed to be
had maybe, but they didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Right. Yeah, the thing with Gama isn't production grade, that's true.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, But even so, like even in this photo you
can see a little bit of a shadow on the
driver's side door. I just think that that's fine. It's
a prototype. Is the door hasn't broken yet, in which
I think Aptera would even admit if it did break
or not. But even so, I was seeing that it's

(27:01):
still in one piece. It's doing hard work. This at
Gamma's role and the whole company is sealed in history
at this point for being in a vehicle that everyone
got to see in touch and launched the brand, in
my opinion, because it brought the idea to reality.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
And it's been abused. Those doors basically just get open
and closed all day repeatedly, just.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
So I was.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I was half expecting it to have problems by the
end of the day, but no, I can I can attest.
I was there when they loaded it up onto the
trailer and they were still running just fine. So I'm
impressed that it's aged as well as it has. No,
it was a blast. I wish we could go to
more locations. Yeah, I wish you could have too.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It was.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
It was very packed and it was cool to meet
so much of the fan base and.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
One time it's in my backyard. I'm gone.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I know that was the day you chose to be gone.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, getting.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I know you're not on Twitter, but if there's a
way you can share your screen with the Aptura discord
I posted.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
The PI build is currently underway.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
They're almost done with the bink for p I two
mm hm, and p I two is going to be
the driveable one. That's the one with the motor the
e m R three drive train, which they haven't officially
put together yet. Like Gamma still has the ala Fe
hub motors, which are very powerful. By the way, it's
quite fast, and yeah, the PI build should be the

(28:46):
one that's a lot closer to what everybody takes delivery of,
and if all goes according to plan, they could be
able to do like range testing and stuff with p
I two. So I'm hoping that I'm hoping that I
get to check that out out in the next couple
of months.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
But I'm just sure coming together.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Unfortunately, when I bring up Twitter or x it, just
like we revealed in the tech podcast, it gives me
old tweets since I don't have anymore.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
It's funny how it does that, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
It shows like here's something from twenty twenty three. Okay,
that's all right, here's something from twenty twenty two. Here's
something I love this bad good, bad good speaking of
ccs very topic. Uh, nope, that's the wrong one. There
we go. Congrats to General Motors for finally getting access

(29:42):
to the supercharging network.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
And what's lyric in that picture? Is it?

Speaker 1 (29:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (29:49):
So? Actually this is the CADI like Escalate Q in
which I saw in person recently here in the bay.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Are they out?

Speaker 3 (29:59):
This says? Was it? Deliveries happen at the tail end
of twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
We're in September, so it's wow that Yeah, those are
not manufacturer place.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
It says it's from Michigan here.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
But yeah, here's me again, sad high schooler.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Look.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
I don't know. I looked at like, no, you look
like a road is a tad raised as you could
tell here, Like the sidewalk isn't as raised as the road,
So I sit a little bit more aligned in height
with it. And it's not as big as a typical escalade.
But I do recall when hearing about the Escalade IQ,

(30:40):
it was a bit smaller than the gas one, but
I think it still lives up to the name in
terms of size.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
It's pretty good. Just in that supercharger picture, it looked
quite big. Yeah, next to the Lyric.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, look at that.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It's so you can tell they stuff it with batteries
because it's so like thick, you can tell it's stuffed.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I have to probably I'll get to it later, but
I have to compare the sizes of the Escalate IQ
and the cyber truck because it seems like there's somewhat
similar in terms of width and then possibly in height
as well.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
When you're kind of just got the charge port in
the right place.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah, Caillac chose correctly where to the church parts? I believe.
I think the Lyric has in the same spot as well.
But at least, I q it's set up for success,
which is great for being the boat that it is.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I'm pretty sure the Lyric is in the same place
as the Blazer.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
It's in the front left. That would make sense because
it's just a reskin, so which.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Is not good for supercharger access.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
But why but how does this make you feel? I
know before you were like, we're too dependent on Tesla.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
But I'm very happy for GM to get a win
because they've been really struggling a lot. Yeah, and for
them to get supercharging access. Finally, because they've been waiting
like it seems like they had a three month delay
thanks to the struggles on the supercharging team on Tesla's

(32:18):
side due to leadership decisions. But for them to finally
get access is great. It's going to flood superchargers all
over with GM products, which might be a headache, but
in terms of ev adoption, it's a big win. And
that's why I'm all about. Even though we're going to

(32:40):
see a lot of blazers and lyrics come in and
have to take up a spot and or I don't know,
find some way to you can't extend it right, GM
is saying, don't use third party products, only use our
first part of products that you have to pay for, Yeah,
which is going to be a little bit of a struggle.

(33:01):
At least you can plug in in, which I think
that's the focus right now, is that you have more
options than Electrify America evygo.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Right, there's quite a bit now.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I think they said that they're now open to like
seventeen thousand, four hundred charge a lot of superchargers, so
it used to be fifteen thousand, So since they made
that announcement, there's even more. But yeah, I'm hoping there's
more and more of those V three plus sites with
the longer cables so that it doesn't matter where your

(33:35):
chargeboard is. That would be ideal.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
But do you foresee Tesla following some type of Electrify
America set up where they have a really long cable
or do you think they're going to stick to maybe
some extended length without a elastic support.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
I think yeah, they probably won't go with that elastic
thing like we saw out in Wyoming where there's a
big string. M h But the V the V fours,
which aren't really V four's, have pretty long cables and
most of them at least are laid out in a
way that you either have to pull in or back in,
but no matter which side your charge poorts on, it

(34:20):
should reach. So I'm hoping that that latest design is
enough to kind of cover everything.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
That's my guess.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
I don't think they're going to get any more expensive. Yeah,
GM has a lot of different evs. That's why it's
like this is a great sign.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
I will show eight, but there's nine I believe that
can plug into a supercharge. The bolts is not on here,
and fortunately right.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
The bolts aren't there, but.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
I've seen people already tweeting today that they were They
were plugging in their Chevy bolts at non Magic dock stations,
So it is functionally already working, which is cool.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
To see it.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
That's fantastically Yeah. I think this is an absolute wind
for the community as a whole, even though that there
is the headaches of trying to stuff a Silverado or
a Hummer. Actually the hummers aren't even on here either.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Oh geez. So there's more.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
There's about ten if you just only include the hummer
as one product in which the bolt has kind of
in that same If not, it's oh well, no thanks,
I should answer you if your questions about GM products.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I mean, I mean no disrespect. But my mentality is
they're even letting GM supercharge now, so if GM can
do it, everybody can do it, because I'm like, that
covers so many vehicles all at once. Though it is
my point, like that means Tesla's okay with something crazy

(36:01):
as a hummer and as slow charging as a bolt.
To me, that's like a sign that even if you
don't have a great charging profile or a charging speed,
they're still willing to charge you, which is a great
news in my opinion, for like Aptera, who wasn't going
to have a super high peak charging speed. And I
was speculating maybe Tesla's going to be nervous about that,

(36:24):
about having a vehicle that only gets, you know, fifty
sixty kilowatts at a supercharger. But now that they're letting
the Chevy Bolts charge, I'm like, okay, great, No, they
won't be a problem.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
It seems like I'm doing just quick search on all
the vehicles in this list, and most of them have
their port on the back.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Right, Yes, a lot of them do.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
At least for the big ones, they're set for success,
but the medium sized ones that people are typically going
to buy, like the Blazer, are not so. At least
for the big trucks that are going to be huge
in the spots, the port's in the right look, so
we don't in this very case, the big battery is
the big win for the superchargers, right, even though it's

(37:07):
a lot of energy that they have to out put
into it, at least the port's in the right location.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, probably good because the big battery trucks are probably
gonna be there longer, right to fill up.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Right. Interesting that the Escalate i Q has the port
in the back, right. I guess maybe they're using the
same platform as the Silverado probably.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
There.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, but man, congrats to GM, and it's only going
to grow for them as well, because right after that's Iona,
and then whenever they get THEA network going, uh and
then all these other third party chargers popping up as well.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Yeah, there's just gonna be a lot more options. But
at least the company that has been very big on
their promises is getting some type of response and or
movement for their company, even though that they've made some
very bad decisions in the past, as you pushed by Randy,

(38:13):
at least we get something that we can be proud
of for the community as a whole.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, it's cool to check so many boxes at once,
because you know, Ford and Rivian, it was like two evs.
It was like, okay, Lightning and Maki got it, they
got supercharge, and then it was R one T.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And R one S got it. But now it's like
twelve different evs all at once can now supercharge, which
is pretty neat.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
But I also heard mumblings that they're not planning on
adopting knacks onto the vehicle until twenty twenty six, which
is kind of bizarre.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I'm not sure why it's taking so long.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
But yeah, Well, the fact that you need to get
a software update on your bolt just to charge is
also there, and you have to pay for the port
is another.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
But yeah, that is weird. I don't know why they can't.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Just don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Maybe there's too many, Maybe there's all these Bolt owners we've.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Sold too many bolts, or we've sold money on the bolt.
Let's uh, GM like number three? And no are they
number three in the list for most evs sold?

Speaker 1 (39:24):
I don't think any Like, if you're looking at just
a on a yearly basis, I'm pretty sure Hyundai and
Kia have taken number two. But if you're talking like
throughout all time, like in the past ten years, I
believe GM is probably delivered more evs than anybody outside

(39:44):
of Tesla who put Fisker in here? Are they on
the list? No they're not even Yeah, that's oh, this
is per.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
All I know is where I live, there's a lot
of Chevy Bolts. I see Chevy Bolts everywhere. So get
the sat of here wouldn't be surprised at all if
this is one of the bigger supercharger unlocks. But luckily
you can kind of strategically limit it based on how
many of those adapters you ship. If you just don't

(40:25):
ship a lot of them, then you shouldn't overwhelm the networks.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, I'm curious too.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I want someone to do a charging test with the
Hummer EV because that could pull at supercharger peak speeds
for longer than any other vehicle. M Like, it could
just grab the full two hundred and twenty or two
hundred and fifty kilowatts and just peg it there for
like technically an hour. I don't know if the charging

(40:59):
curve would maintain, but like I, I expect there to
be some thermal derating on those big battery packs.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
We'll see.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
But yeah, Silverado is gonna be uh, pretty tempting too.
Now it's got over four hundred miles of range and
supercharger access.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
It will be the vehicle that people are asking for
in terms of a truck, something that can toe can
do the grocery getting, but you can charge it wherever
has the fronk and all that it's got the utility.
It's got the midgate running your company for their money.
But I guess in terms of sighs and a little

(41:37):
bit much yeah, no competition there, but yeah, so I
guess that's the one thing that I was really excited about,
and the news broke just like yes, no this morning.
It was pretty early for recording this, so it's very
timely for when we started recording.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
But so who's next?

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Who is next? I have to consult my list of
who's adopted NAX and who said that they were going
to get on. I think you and Randy's guess of
Volvo and Pollstar isn't a bad one.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
They're on the Tesla website listed is like coming soon,
so that's probably a good INDI.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Oh, that's a really good one to like.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't think they've updated it.
I believe they still say I think they still say
GM is coming soon.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
They probably fired the web designer.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
I won't be surprised, but.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I'm thankful that after all of that charging drama, we're
back on track, I think, which I think is good.
I really believe it is crucial for electrification that all
the charging providers.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Agree on a port.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And we get to a point where you can just
go to any DC fast charger and plug in and
it doesn't matter which car brand you're driving, it should
just work. That's that's a pretty important Oh, they did
move it supported GM yep.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
So all that's coming soon that they have on their
list is Nissan, Volvo, Polestar, and Mercedes.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
How's Nissan gonna work?

Speaker 3 (43:21):
The Aria is the only one that they got.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I was gonna say, is there a nax to Chatmo
adapter for the Leaf?

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Maybe? So I think the focus would be on the Aria,
and then I don't know how they get the Leaf
in there, But.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Huh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I would think in this list, I won't be surprised
if Mercedes beats Volvo and Polestar to the NAXT adoption. First,
I guess the adapter and compatibility, integration of being able
to just in general. Uh, in terms of grain that change,

(44:01):
Polestar might be quicker, but I don't know. You'll have
to ask, you'll have to make friends with the new CEO.
See where they're at there.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
I'm trying to think, where's the where's the charge port
on Mercedes? Yeah, it's not in the right spot.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
It's on the back right probably or the front left.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah, it's back right.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
So Polestar might actually be better if if they were
basing it off of who had the better charge port location,
because Polestar does match the Tesla chargeport location. So if
they add Polestar, it really wouldn't result in much clogging
because there's not a ton of them on the road
in the first place, and they'll only occupy one stall.
So I still think it'll be Volvo, Volvo or Polestar,

(44:47):
one of those two, but.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
That's coming up next. Yeah, well, not bad bet. I
would say Nissan's probably third, but they do only have
if we're assuming that with the Leaf, I believe ending
production soon end of production. I totally forget the year
twenty twenty six is when they plan to end the

(45:10):
production of the Leaf.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Oh geez, so I go that long?

Speaker 3 (45:17):
I think what I guess? That's my question to you.
Do you think that they'll put a nax port on
the Leaf or will they keep the chad Mo port
and then they just go from chad Moo to ah Nas.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
They better put a naxport.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
On because I believe the Leaf has had the chad
Moo port for its whole life.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yeah, pretty much, cup sea that's what it means.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
But it's not my cup of tea.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
It's an old vehicle at this point.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
It's been around. It's it predates the model s.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
But I'll confess when I was when we were in Colorado,
we saw arios everywhere. They're around, probably because the least
deals are are very good there with all the Colorado incentives.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Right. Yeah, it felt like the Bay Oliver again when
we were there in Colorado. So I wasn't seeing as
many evs in terms of mass, at least like it
didn't feel like I left that ecosystem as much because
left and right you would see rivians, lightnings, Tesla's. They're

(46:36):
all over the place.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah, a lot of a lot of arias. So hopefully
they keep that going.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Yeah, so not a bad list right there.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
No, that's I'm trying to think, who's not on the list.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
So you got Yeah, Loocid's not on there. I had
a very wonderful list. I think it's gone now.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Just about anybody else you can think of. I mean,
Toyota is not on there. I don't know if they
announced NAXT support.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
I think they did, but.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
I'm sure I don't have my updated list. That's okay,
there's uh, why is Mazda on the list? I guess
they are. There's Jaguar land Rover who said that they're
going to adopt it, Rolls Royce so that they're going
to adopt NAX, Subaru, Lexus, Toyota they're going a bit slow. Yeah,

(47:33):
Hyundai Kiya, who knows, oh right they.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
What's funny is all the brands that are like talking
about adopting the naxtport are on the list. Kia said like,
we're gonna have nat on the twenty twenty five ionics,
and yet there's Nokia list.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Right, yeah, well I totally delete it. But oh wow,
oh well with that, I wanted to get your take
on something maybe i've left field in which, uh you've
heard of the Company of Lotus, right.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Oh yeah, they helped with the original roadster, right yes.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
They recently unveiled their Theory one concept, which seems to
take some of its inspiration from the McLaren F one,
which was a three wow. It's supposed to be their
idea of an evy supercar with a seventy K battery

(48:43):
and only weighs thirty five hundred pounds which is a
very nice, uh just eye opening weight for an EV
comparing it to everything else on the market, because that's averaging.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
A definitely pounds just because.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
Of slapping a battery on the bottom of it. But
does this tickle your fancy at all in terms of
the design or even the idea of EV sports car?

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, that's that's beautiful. I have seen this, so you're
not showing it to me for the first time.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
But I didn't read into it.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
I just scrolled past it because I figured, oh, concept
car whatever.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
But seeing it all close up.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Like this, I love how much of it, how much
of it looks like forged carbon fiber SMC and it
looks super aerodynamic. And even other EV hypercars like the
rymac Navara by the way, over five thousand pounds.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
It's got power built into it. And at least with Lotus,
their focus has never really been raw power right, mainly driving.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
For yes, and that's something a lot of people probably
find lacking in evs because all of them are so heavy,
you know, so compared to a gas sports car that
can be super lightweight, like a nine to eleven. This
probably helps not get completely to that stage because that's

(50:23):
still going to be much lighter, but more in that
direction of lighter weight, better handling. But yeah, I love
the way those doors move back.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Such weird doors. I was noting that just these concept
cars just take the weirdest leaps in logic. But the
lighting is what gets a look. The look is I've
always loved what does look like, and at least with
their upcoming, was it the Amaya ev I believe, uh

(50:59):
it's more SUV like or e Maya. I don't know.
But my only concern with Lotus I've always loved him.
I got to ride in the Oh goodness, the one
that the roadster's based off of.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Oh yeah, the I remember.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Lotus models. That will help. But pretty much there's such
beautiful cars. It's just you don't really hear about shops
or dealerships near you.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
They're a little bit.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Not foreign, but at least you don't really hear about,
Oh I have to drive my Lotus into the dealership
the other day because it had a loose door panel
or anything like that, Because is there a dealership even
near you? Who knows? I mean likely, but like over
where you're at.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
No.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Probably not the problem that you were saying before with
polestar is like a polestar would be great, but just
trying to service it would be a headache because you're
gonna have to drive it that far for sure. So
the idea of something like this theory one is a
great idea in theory, but in terms of practice of

(52:28):
if anything goes wrong software wise or hardware wise, yeah,
or you're gonna have to ship it all the way
to the nearest shop.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
If you can afford one of these, you could probably
afford the service on it. Maybe that's their thinking, but
I do there's a lot of design characteristics I've always admired,
Like you know, APTERA definitely leans into how do we
have like the lowest coefficient of drag possible to achieve
game changing efficiency. I've always loved the idea of you know,

(53:00):
that's cool and I appreciate that, but what if you
pursued the lowest possible frontal area to achieve game changing efficiency.
So obviously this one's more oriented around performance in sports,
but there's things you can learn from those sports sports
cars that you can trickle down to cheaper models in
the future, and that's there's a design attribute of that

(53:23):
super low hood that blends in with the windshield that
whenever I picture of like if you were to make
a vehicle that was super efficient simply because it has
a very small frontal area, it's not very tall, but
it's super slippery. Maybe it's a lot more compact than
app Era, because that's one of the downsides of their

(53:45):
three wheel design. It's, you know, it's super aerodynamic and
super efficient, but it is awfully wide, and a lot
of people brought that up of like, yeah, if you're
navigating in a tight spot, it might be a little
tricky with the Apptera because it's like, you know, eighty
seven inches a wheelpant to wheelpant, Whereas if you wanted
the efficiency in a smaller form factor, in a smaller footprint,

(54:07):
it would probably be a design I think somewhat like this.
You would need in order to hit you know, north
of six miles per kilod hour, if you wanted to
get in the seven, eight, nine or ten range, you
need to be really low to the ground, displaced as
little air as possible, and have a really sloped windshield
to hood that just easily glides through the air. And

(54:28):
maybe it's not the easiest thing to get in and
out of but efficiency always has to come at some
kind of compromise. It's just pick your battles, right, So
you would trade maybe you would trade, you know, width
for accessibility, but.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
It inspires me. It's a it's a unique clean take.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
I like the side profile too, and those other pictures
you were looking at, right.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah, it definitely feels a bit concept y on both
the exterior and the interior. Definitely like are you going
to put your head against that head rest?

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Or No, there's a bunch of stuff they would never do.
But it's still it's still a great exercise. I'm sure engineers.
Engineers probably loved working on it, right, And.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
I guess a correction. The Amaya that I was showing
is a hyper luxury suv that costs like one hundred
thousand dollars. These are like really expensive vehicles.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
The same as the cyber truck.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Oh my gosh. Even so there's that, and then I
believe there's the Electra as well. Yeah, also a hyper suv.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
Oh right, I remember this one.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Just ridiculous vehicles.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Everyone's got to have an suv.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Right, Yeah, I want more of like what the theory
one is. No, that's not what you theory one is
a lot more pleasant to look at than what I

(56:20):
flashed on the screen, which is now something you can order.
Drew the Dodge charges you ordered one, obviously, I ordered five.
Have you looked at the configuration page for this thing?

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I didn't even get close. I didn't even think about
looking at the configurator. All I saw was the headline
is like, they're taking deposits, and I was like, well,
don't everybody rush all at once.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
You know, there's plenty for everybody.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
I promise no. I would genuinely want to know how
many people have ordered one. I'd like to see the
numbers on this.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
I'm trying to find that. They make it so hard
on their website to find where to configure this thing.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It's a very expensive noise maker.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Hey, that's what the whole thing is about, right, you can.
You can make it as loud as you want.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
It's gross.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
Find the configuration page for this thing.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
But maybe they took it down because they didn't get
any orders. That's most likely what happened.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Immediately. Oh, no, there it is. There's the button.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Is gonna play with the configurator. Now, we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Play with it right now. They have a whole video just.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
But I mean, come on, there's a way they could
have done it with this style that I would have liked.
It's not the style I'm against, for the record.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Even though it's large as heck compared to the Mustang.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, I mean, you just you're going for a certain look.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
But if you're gonna make it all electric, I would
just say, okay, then make it fast, make it as
lightweight as you can, and you know, make it an
ev But they just felt like malicious compliance is what
it felt like.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
But there it is. Here's the image that I was
trying to find.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
H late availability.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
There it is. Oh but look how big this thing
is compared to this.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
You must say that's a four door. Isn't it a
four door?

Speaker 3 (58:39):
But yeah, the two door and the four door a
pretty much the same size. It's just they cram in
an extra door on the four door. But like the
Mustang is tiny compared to this thing. So then looking
at it, I already lost the page. Is it this one? Nope?
Those are the least.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
My neighbor has one of the four door ones.

Speaker 3 (58:59):
M I think the Tudors familiar fine, but like this,
it's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Just feel like I've been in one of them too.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
My aunt rented one one time when she was visiting,
and she was like, oh, do you you want to
drive it?

Speaker 2 (59:17):
You know, just for the day while I have it?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
And I drove around in it once and I hated it.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
It was just horrible visibility.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
I would love to see a photo or video of
view behind the wheel of a Dodge.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I would be so sad. I would look so depressed.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
It sounds like the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
My god. There's a lot of buttons.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
True, this is legaciato and in which I think this
is less buttons than in most vehicles. This is actually
pretty minimal. There's just one row of buttons underneath the
center screen.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
There's like twelve buttons on the right side of the.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
So many pedal. Does it shift like a manual?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
It appears to It looks like it does. I wish.
I don't think it does. I think the Ionic five
N is the unique stakeholder than that. But it does
have something behind the wheel. I'm not too sure. I
have to do a little bit more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
If you're trying to make it feel like a gas car,
then it should have a manual shifter that makes it
feels like I'm switching between the gears, you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
Know, five N style. So if it doesn't do that,
I don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Porsche was saying they actually had a response to the
five N saying that they weren't going to do it
because it didn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Pretty much, Thank you, thank you Portia.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
So at least someone recognizes efficiency.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
I mean, I I don't see any problem with just
adding it as like a gimmicky software update. I mean,
fart mode is pointless, but we have that in Tesla's
just for fun. Why not have a mode that's like
pretend I'm a muscle car mode where it just you
can switch between the gears and it behaves like an
old muscle car and you can pump the sound into

(01:01:21):
the cabin. That doesn't bug me. It's when you start
blasting sound outside for random pedestrians that I start to
get annoyed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Right, So Force said, why should we make something worse
down the five N fake shifter for electric cars?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
So something worse.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
Sounds like Drew's next car is a Porsche. At this point,
they also recognize that efficiency and performance does not need
to be simulated with a manual transmission shifting mode.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
I mean, like, I'm fine if you enjoy a good
manual muscle car. I just don't think those are the
same people buying evs. I'm like two different things. I
don't know, not the same, not much overlap in those markets.
But Porsches probably right, I agree with them, And they
do make some incredibly fast charging evs that can hold

(01:02:18):
peak speed really deep into the battery pack. So I
think as far as Legacy Auto is concerned, Porsches doing
it right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
They're doing a great job.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
Right, I agree, And I am looking forward to their
new Macan. Yeah, even though it's just another Blazer effect,
at least it's going to open right, Yeah, but it's
going to open up the window or at least the
it's going to make it so that things like the

(01:02:52):
box Treavy can become a thing, right, And it'll free
up a little bit more cash flow for them because
they're lining their pockets with Macon Electric sales, which because
it's a VW product. The port's on the wrong side,
but oh really, you look look where the port is

(01:03:13):
looking at the right side view of it, and the
ports on the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
That's the right hand drive. It's on the driver's side.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I thought I could have swore somewhere I saw the
Macon and it had the same charge port as Tesla.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
But maybe I'm misremembering.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Let me just kind of because now it could just
look at.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, if only it was made in the US, it
qualified for the tax credit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
There's the port right there on the driver's side.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Okay, so maybe that's what I'm doing. Maybe it depends
on region.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Mmmm, it could be like region based in this country,
it makes more sense to put it on passenger side rear.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Or maybe it's driver's side rear. It's right hand.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Here's a better view of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Oh yeah, No, it's not a bad look.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
No one recently.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
But they definitely went more tapered than Boxy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
Yeah. It gives Model X vibes almost a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
More egg shaped, right, Yeah, but I should go pretty far.
I believe I saw a range test, a real world
range test, and it went well over three hundred miles,
which is good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
So have we talked about Yeah, I think we did
talk about Lucid actually getting five hundred and twenty miles
of range or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Yeah, that's insane, especially at highway speed.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
That is nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
But dn't we got some news not recently. A while
back someone was saying that they were working with Lucid
and that they're going to Aston Martin maybe Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Yeah, I think it was that, which makes a lot
of sense because Lucid's powertrain tech is is just nutty.
I think someone commented on the last EV podcast a
really good point or they found a way to articulate
what I was feeling, which is Lucid is just Tesla.

(01:05:18):
If Tesla was a car company. M Like, they put
all of their R and D and all of their
time and resources into powertrains and battery packs instead of
you know, autonomous driving and robotaxi or Tesla bots that

(01:05:39):
kind of thing. They're like, Lucid's doubling down on the
core fundamentals of evs, whereas Tesla's trying to kill off
the need for personally owned vehicles in the first place.
Making Yeah I think, oh man, that gets me. I

(01:06:00):
mean it's a Macan.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
Right, Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Revealed I'm a Lucid instead of a Porsche on there.
But no, I do think Lucid would probably have more
efficient teching.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Size of those mirrors.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Much late twenty twenty six we're still gonna have mirrors.
I'm afraid.

Speaker 3 (01:06:24):
Hey, and the port's on the correct side on this
concept image.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Well, it is on the gravity too.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
They showed a gravity with the naxt port which was
nice mm hmm. So they're thinking about that kind of thing,
but hopefully they think about the battery pack also being
able to support that that speed.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Do you think Lucid's ever gonna introduce a different chemistry?
That's something that I was thinking about recently, and it
seems like question going down on that with him. I
on right, I don't think the NMC.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I think they are an MC if I remember, I
think they're twenty one seventies, which most of them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Are in MC.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
But I'm more than happy to be wrong. Okay, Lithium
ion is what it says from LGKM.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
Well, lithium ion is It's just.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I mean, it's it doesn't It isn't necessarily I'm not
a no battery expert, but like, isn't lithium referring to
anode and MC.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
As mark cathode. It's like different parts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
But it is a good question of like if quantum
Scape or whoever it is, figures out new battery chemistries
that are more energy dense or charge faster, like which
company would integrate them first?

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
I know Toyota has.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
Been hyping up solid state batteries for well over a
decade but hasn't gotten anyone. But are you more talking
about like LFP chemistries.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Right like, do you foresee them entertaining that at all?
Or are we just going to stick with an nmc
slash lithium ion focus for a lot of their lamp
because at least they're pretty much the kings of range
at this point with their vehicles, even though they only
have one on the market, just several different versions of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Yeah, yeah, but both arrow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
And range and battery wise, like they're squeezing out everything
that they can out of it, and I just I'd
find it interesting if they would explore something like a
lithium iron phosphate battery or something entirely different that they

(01:08:45):
can find to be even more beneficial to their brand,
or even making some deal and getting a solid state
battery in there. I think it would very much be
on brand with Lucid because they're all in on luxury
performance and the Solis day battery does exactly what it
touts could get a lot of range for them, And

(01:09:08):
that's true. They're not having to fund themselves right now.
They're having investors overseas shovel all that coal money in
and oil money in. Uh huh, So might as well
throw in some expensive batteries at the end of the
day to tout your the performance and capability of your product.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
That's true. No, I didn't think of it that way,
but it's a good point. Lucid always likes having like
the bleeding edge, latest generation everything, so they probably would
be especially with their more performance oriented vehicles, like I
could see the Sapphire. If there was some type of
vehicle grade battery chemistry that had improved enough to be

(01:09:52):
like shipped, it'd probably be super expensive but super energy
dense and have some really crazy charging character ristic. So yeah,
a company like Lucid would probably be more interested in
that because they're, like you said, not too concerned about
profitability because they can just live off the Saudis so far.
So if they're like, hey, we're the new next model

(01:10:13):
year Sapphire has like this state of the art battery
pack that's super energy dense. Yeah, you could charge a
quarter mill for that and probably convince a handful of
people to buy them, and that would be really interesting technologically.
But yeah, as far as like more affordable mid size
options go, they do seem to be very focused and

(01:10:35):
dwell a lot on like being lightweight and being efficient,
and I don't know if LFP carries those characteristics.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
It's kind of around like high cycle life and affordable,
but not low weight.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
It's usually like, you know, my sixty kilo hour battery
pack that's LFP is the same weight as an eighty
kilo hour long range battery pack. And honestly, with the
way lithium battery prices have been dropping, I'm not even
sure that LFP saves.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
That much money anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
I know that it doesn't require those expensive nickel and
cobalt materials, But from what Tesla's been saying and other
automaker has been saying, like there was a big pullback
from a lot of the big automakers on battery orders,
so that resulted in a large drop in the battery prices,
which is good in some regards. For other companies that

(01:11:36):
have to buy batteries, they're like, oh sweet, we can
get them way cheaper than they were a couple of
years ago. So if that trend continues and batteries don't
get too expensive, then I could honestly see Lucid just
keep using twenty one seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
But it is interesting that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
Lucid's kind of like the only company of the three,
you know, all electric brands, Tesla, Rivian and Lucid, they're
the ones that are not interested in moving towards some
kind of bigger cell. You know, Tesla's ypeen up forty
six eighties and Rivian's like forty six nineties or just
a little bigger for some kind of cost cutting measure.

(01:12:15):
But so far I don't believe they've said. Lucid hasn't
said they plan on like mass producing their own cells
or switching to a bigger cell to save on costs.
They seem to be like, no, we'll we'll keep using
existing cells and we can get those for a reasonable price.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
But they're banking on we'll just need fewer cells.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Because we're super arrow and our powertrain is super efficient
and our high voltage architecture and all of that means
that we won't have to buy as many cells, Whereas
I think Tesla and especially Rivian, because they're like a
more off roady adventury focused brand. They're probably pursuing those
bigger cells because they know, yeah, we're gonna need a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
Of battery packs regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Like Rivian with their whole you know, good ground clearance
off roading emphasis is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Like, yeah, no, there's no way around it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
We're gonna need a big battery pack to get this
thing over three hundred miles on a charge because it's
more boxy. So we need to find a way to
get cells cheaper, not necessarily rely on arrow tricks or
powertrain tricks. I mean, I'm sure they'll do some of that,
but it's kind of interesting to watch the different techniques.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Sure, well, it just depends on application, right, Yeah, Lucids,
you're not taking out off roading and all that, or
you're not trying to tow as much, or I don't
think any of the looses can really toe right now,
or at least start marketed as a towing vehicle. It's
like trying to market a model ass as a towing vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
So yeah you can. But I mean they seem.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
To be hyping up a lot like off road and towing,
but you know that demographic isn't going to be doing that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Very much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
They're gonna be cruising down to Pebble Beach, drinking some champagne,
going a few rounds on the green, and then driving
back and laughing about why Jeeves was wearing a tied
ice shirt today and not his typical vest.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
Right. I don't think you're buying the lucid gravity so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
That you can go off roading through the no Weap desert,
but you could. It has the suspension, that's what they're saying.
But yeah, I mean you could argue. A lot of
Rivian customers don't even do that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
But no, what I did see you remind me this
is a little bit not ev news, but it warmed
my heart seeing I went backpacking over the weekend, which
is why I missed last week's episode, and went out
until the middle into the middle of nowhere in northern California,

(01:14:56):
And it was about a three hour hike down to
this lake that I was in, and all of a sudden,
I hear like above us, a whole bunch of rocks crumbling,
and I think what is going on? And I look
up and over it's pretty much like I'm in this
bowl where like there's a lake at the bottom, and

(01:15:16):
then you got kind of like a whole bunch of
high elevation terrain around you. And I see a white
dot at the very top of this bowl, and it's
going around these switchbacks, coming down and down and down.
As it gets closer, I can tell it's a Ford

(01:15:39):
Bronco four door ripping through these trails, or at least
these big trails that were partially on during the backpacking.
And it was ripping through them in like five minutes,
where it took us about thirty minutes to get down.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Oh geez.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
And it gets down to the bottom and the people
get out and all that. My buddy's just thinking, I
don't like this. These people are here, they this is
out in the middle of nowhere, and they're here with
their loud car, Like where are they doing? And I'm
just thinking, Man, isn't this great that we could take
this vehicle out here and actually use it to its
full potential, even though I got nothing. I'm not tied

(01:16:18):
to these people, but I thought, yeah, that's amazing, even
though that they caused a lot of noise and a
lot of raucous and all that, and like the guy
here in minutes where it took us hours, right it's
amazing that they got all the way out here. So
to comment on the fact that like people who buy
Ribbans or these off road vehicles, they don't use them.

(01:16:38):
I got to see someone actually use a Blazer with
my own eye, or not Blazer, a Bronco Blazer, a
Bronco with my own eyes, come down very incredible slopes
and switchbacks and do it without any issue. The only
time that they had to stop is go on to

(01:16:59):
switch back and turn around, and they just couldn't make
the turn because it's such a hairpin turn. But that's
what I want to see with evs is a lot
more usage of their off road capabilities. And to do that,
I think Lucid is probably pitching themselves as the lynchpin
for that capability because they've got the range and they've

(01:17:21):
got the efficiency to get all the way out there.
So if you've got that efficiency to go that far,
they can go all the way out to the middle
of nowhere in northern California and take on a very
impressive trail to get down to a very secluded area

(01:17:41):
and still have a bunch of range to spare at
the end to then plug it in at a supercharger
and then continue on their way to wherever they want
to go. So if the gravity allows them to do
that and allow of their engineering proficiency, in efficiency and capability,

(01:18:03):
I'd say go for it. Because seeing these vehicles that
are a lot more sport focused actually doing sport utility things. Yeah,
it's something that we need to be pushing a little
bit more to show that hey, even electric vehicles can
do it, right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, I agree, that's awesome. I'm glad you saw one
in the wild being used as intended.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
A Bronco Yeah, not a Blazer, No, not a Blazer
for gravity No.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
But I think making them cheaper will help too. That'll
that'll definitely. Uhuse.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
That's what Rivan Mike would always say.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
It was like, oh, yeah, the RNs is great at
off roading, but that's one hundred thousand dollars car. I'm
not going to off road in that thing, because off
roading needs getting dented and scratched and banged up. I
don't want to take a luxurious on hundred thousand dollars
car to get scratched and banged up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
And now I've got all these repair.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Costs that are astronomical so I think that's another part
of the equation is getting the price more in line
with something like a Bronco or cheaper and making it
feel like, yeah, you can bang it up, it can
get dense in it and scratched, and that's okay, it
won't be it won't be forty thousand dollars to replace
like some of these panels and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
So, right, maybe that's what Lucid's mysterious third model is
that we were speculating about a while back.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Maybe it's not to say they wanted to get more
into off roading, which I found interesting, but.

Speaker 3 (01:19:31):
Yeah, and maybe that's how they do it right, because
like I said before, they have the technology to go far.
And so even if you go with a little bit
more compact design, you can still squeeze out four hundred
miles or maybe three hundred high three hundreds in something
that might be a little bit more compact but is

(01:19:52):
capable of off roading. And if you've got the storage
on top or behind it for off wheel or off
wheel that makes sense. Yeah, off road wheels. That's how
you can get out to the middle of nowhere and
have that capability for going over monstrous terrain. Yet not

(01:20:14):
getting that inefficiency of using those tires on the rooms.
You can use the more efficient tires on the roads,
and then once you get to the off road section,
switch it up and right let it rip.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
You need something with good departure angles, good approach angles,
all wheel drive, lots of storage, small form factor, maybe
one hundred and fifty two inches something like that. I
don't know does that exist, Is anybody working on that
kind of thing?

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
It put them in a decent spot. If you're com
prying into like a Bronco or a land Rover for
some type of off road capability, right, or even like
a Lexus that wasn't necessarily meant to be an off
rudder but can be. Yeah, it could be in that

(01:21:09):
that market cap or not market cap, but that stream. Yeah,
that category. I guess that's what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
Red.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
In which oh no, you mentioned on the last podcast.
But for those that want to follow Drew on another
social media site because this is a little bit of technical,
still want to follow more news if you don't like
using the Bird or any other third party social media site,

(01:21:42):
Tello is now on threads.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
We're on threads now.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
You can follow them to hear more about all the
wonderful things that are going on at Tello, like five
hundred horsepower and why they're targeting that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Yeah, no, exactly, and exactly how many else we have?

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
That?

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
Was you mentioned that in the most recent one?

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Yeah, I think he said five four hundred and sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Five four six zero.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Okay, So give you a little perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
The large pack Rivians had seven seven seven seven We
all remember that number. So seventy seven hundred in the Rivian.
In the Tello, same size cells still twenty one seventies,
but around fifty four hundred, so much smaller battery pack,
much lighter weight, similar weight to a Model Y. But anyway,

(01:22:37):
it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
I'm no for a.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Truck on all electric truck especially, but yeah, I'm biased
of course, so well, I wand up closing thoughts before
I go complete chill.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
I was gonna say, do you want to reserve the
end of this podcast for any developments or news on
our personal vehicles? At least for mine?

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Mine get tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Into servicing for its faulty suspension on the front right
and the weird interior door panel things that are going
on with it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
And yeah, don't let them charge you for that. They
better not.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
No, thankfully, they answered back at some point saying yes,
we can have a conversation before you approve the estimate,
which I appreciated. They didn't call me too like they
did in the past, which whatever. They're probably busy, But
that's why I've got coming up with my model. Why
is hopefully fixing the front right suspension so it doesn't

(01:23:38):
sound like it's breaking all the time. Whenever breaking as
in like it sounds like it's broken, not as if
like it's decelerating, like whenever I'm driving on the road,
it sounds like the front right of the vehicle has
caved in, So getting it's not good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
No, Well, I think we just hit fifty seven thousand
miles now and I'm driving to the Bay tomorrow, so
it's gonna be no slowing down picking up people from
the airport. I'm speaking at a college and gonna film
some stuff at Tello. But yeah, the Model.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Three's taking it like a champ. It did camp mode
very well. That was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
It was really cool to park it right next to Gamma.
It just made Aptara feel that much more real, like
I was reversing into the garage and in the little
camera I see Gamma right there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
I'm like, whoa, I.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Don't know something about it in the flesh was really
cool and fun. But yeah, try to think if there's
any other updates. Oh, you know, we've thankfully to the viewers,
we've racked up some referral points credits whatever they're called.
Now it's not actually credits anymore. It's just like a

(01:24:59):
Tesla gift card. But I saw Winston from up North
tried to use his on a service visit and they
wouldn't accept it, even though it says right in the
referral page like you can use it on service visits.
So once again, not enough communication going on at Tesla,

(01:25:19):
because that was mainly what we wanted to use our
referral rewards for. Was like, especially hearing your story and everything,
we were like, yeah, we should have some of these
rewards just so that we can repair the car. That's
pretty valuable and it's probably the best thing you can
do for the environment instead of just buying a whole
new Tesla. Instead, just make the one you have last longer.

(01:25:44):
So it's LFP.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Hopefully it lasts a long long time. My charge limit.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
I know it's not an accurate way to gauge battery health,
but when I'm at one hundred percent, it still says
two fifty seven, So there's still a decent amount of
range left even after all this supercharger abuse driving the
crap out of it. But yeah, I hope Tesla gets
on that because that was kind of like the most

(01:26:11):
interesting perk of the reward program was like, you could
like what Winston wanted to do. He rebuilt a salvaged
Model three, and you can get those to supercharge again
if they go through the Tesla inspection process. But that
costs like over one thousand dollars, so he wanted to
use his rewards on that inspection and they're like, no,

(01:26:33):
we don't take that, so he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
What the heck.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
Hopefully they addressed that. It's pretty much all I can
think of on my car. I need to wash it,
that's for sure, right there with you. And once again,
always cool stuff going on at Tello that I'm not
allowed to share, so it kills me. But the charge

(01:26:56):
port location.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Is very much thought out. I'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
I can't wait to hear more about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
That sounds interesting they saw.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
I saw some of the interior door sill designs today
and they were really good. Okay, kind of like you
know that that separation between the interior and the exterior
that you see like on our cards as model three,
Model y, like little design details they're working on there

(01:27:29):
that I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
Can't wait. I can't wait for everybody to see. It
should be fun, how exciting? Please let me share? Please?

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Yeah, really I need to be like, please let me
let me talk about this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
This is so cool. We'll get there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
We'll get there, excited to hear more a We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
You all next time. Bus

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