Ep. 196 - Deal of the Century - Tailosive EV Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to the Six Foot Tall podcast. Ladies.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is what I used to do.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
Oh, it's good to be back. We can finally talk
to you again because wait.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Hold on, wait, wait, hold on, this was an all
EV podcast or EV owner's podcast. I don't think can
we allow.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Him in here, Drew, No, not unless you've bought in
some kind of EV recently.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Define recently Drew.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Uh wait, what do you mean in the past year.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Oh, in the past year. I definitely have purchased an
EV in the past year.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Oh wait a second.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Why my gosh, you had that queue up.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
For those listening. There's a red on the screen that
Nick alleges he owns.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
I do allege, And this looks like a stock photo,
like a professional photographer took this.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, man, I wish I knew a professional photographer. I
really could use one of those in my personal life. Yeah, hi,
I'm Nick previously of the TELSIF network, more recently now
of the government. But other than that, next time you
need to go to d m V you can talk
to me. It's one of the same thing. No. Yeah,

(01:45):
So thanks for having me back, guys. It's been a while.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's good. We've missed it.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I'm now a member of the club, so I figured
it's been a while. I have a lot of thoughts.
I'm probably gonna talk a lot. I'm sorry in advance.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
But so to catch up with you, Nick, last time
you were on this podcast that came out, you were
saying that you wanted to get a hybrid and that
you probably went buy an Evy until it could go
like a thousand miles or something like that, so that
way you can drive and not have to stop. And
now your model.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Member saying that. I do remember saying that, and I
don't disagree with my past self. However, the Model three
was just too good of a deal. Okay, So I
got this car. This is Redshift. This is my car
Red Shift. It is a play. It is a play

(02:36):
on words because there's no shifting because it's you know,
an ev And also a really fast object will shift
in the red spectrum on the visible EMF spectrum when
it's going really fast, and so that is.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
The sun is hitting the puddle. Oh my god, it is.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
It is a very beautiful picture. AnyWho about This is
twenty twenty two Tesla Model three dual motor long range
that had just under eighty thousand miles on it, so
it was a sixteen month old car that had eighty
thousand miles on it. I have since added another twenty

(03:13):
five or thirty thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
To its range.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Right now, estimated range when it's at one hundred percent
is three hundred and thirty miles, so it has degraded
a little bit. But that's great, pretty good. It was
a rental car, so it was on the Hurtz Fleet,
so it was one of the Hurts vehicles. I bought
it secondhand. I got a fantastic deal on it, which
is part of the reason why I got that over

(03:38):
anything else. The vehicle I had previously was a two
thousand and eight four to Escape which had the high school. Yeah,
poor old Rumpelstiltskin, rumbling down the road. I drove that
car for let's see. I got it at seventy three

(04:00):
thousand miles and I gave it to a friend at
one hundred and ninety thousand miles, so I guess one
hundred and twenty thousand miles on the Forward Escape over
I think seven years I had that car, so it
was like my first car. And I remember saying a long, long,
time ago that that was going to be my last
gas car, and I guess that did hold up. I
am now an EV owner, So yeah, I got the car. Uh,

(04:24):
well this is my only car. My buddy has a
Rivian and a Lightning that I'll drive pretty frequently as well.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I think you mentioned that last time.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, friends with I want a buddy like that. My
my buddy with the Rivian sold his Rivian.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Ah, dang it, get new buddies, get new buddies.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Then by buddy, we love you Mike.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah. So anyway, Yeah, that's that's the update there. So
I had the Ford Escape and it had not died,
but it is in near die So I gave him
to a friend who was much more handy with than
with mechanical things than I was, and so he, uh
he has restored it and is actually in a more

(05:09):
functional state than it was when I was when I
was on it. So that's that's good.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
It's still lived in that car for I did.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, right when I went down to start now two
weeks come on years, I rounded up a little bit crowded.
You lived in that car for like a decade, right,
had decade? Yeah, a little decade? Just round up just
just a little bit. No one will no one will
ever notice. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
So in third marriage in that car Noyaues.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
That car died. Uh. And then I was borrowing my
buddy who has the ribban and the lightning. He also
had like an old Mercedes that he wasn't using, and
so I borrowed that car for like six months because
I wasn't really sure two thousand and six. So it
was not one of the cool Mercedes. It was a
turbo diesel that occasionally turboed, which meant that it occasionally

(05:59):
didn't go, which is a lot of fun to drive.
But yes, I was. I had that car for like
six months or something. It was just stop cap car.
I lived really close to work, so I wasn't even
using it all that much. But then yeah, so come
last spring, Model three prices went really wonky for a

(06:23):
couple of months there, and I was perfectly poised to
execute on on that. That was very, very fortunate. So
I got my car for nineteen dollars tax, title, documentation,
destination fee, all that, So that's cheap. This was a

(06:47):
fifty four dollars trim right way back when, in the
sixteen months before that, I bought that car, so it
was quite depreciated. I had high milad but you know,
there was a there was a little local dealership that
was selling it, so they didn't really know. You know
that mileage doesn't really matter on an ev S. They say,

(07:08):
oh my gosh, almost eighty thousand miles must be must
be worth nothing. But I have had I've put almost
thirty thousand miles on it. No mechanical issues. I do
need to buy new tires pretty soon. Here. They gave
me new tires when I bought the car. Control the
control arms. I haven't noticed anything wrong with them. They

(07:30):
still feel pretty controlly, and they haven't transitioned into control legs.
So at this point I think we're good.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Because his is getting up there in mileage, really after
seeing what mine has done. Not my Model three, because
I don't own one, but a Model Y and any others. No,
I don't. I don't know a Model three. This image
does not prove anything that I own a Model three.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
It looks like you own a Model three. To me, Mike,
same looks like a Model three. Oh so so basically, Nick,
you're telling me you spent less than half what I
paid for my car, and you have twice the motors
and more range. Yes. And also I feel really fortunate

(08:19):
that I got the Horizon Ship, I got the Drew's
gone Yep. Again, I feel like at Drew Drew left
of his own accord, But I feel like I really
lucked out like that. There's no there's really no known uh, Like,
you're lucky you're.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
So far away.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
From now I would have my car stolen. This is
what he's saying on a trade left. It was definitely
not fun waiting all those years, Like I'm glad you
got your Model three when you did, because the waiting,
the extra amount of time definitely was not fun. Also,
would not recommend buying from a dealership ever. That was

(08:55):
the first time I ever bought a vehicle from a
dealership and would never do it again. It took literally
eight hours over two days to buy this car. I
was walking in with cash, ready to wire them cash,
and it literally took them eight hours to get the
paperwork sorted. And I'm like, at the end of it,
I was a livid customer at the end of it.
And we will all sympathize with this level of cringe.

(09:20):
But at the very end, they made me wait like
another hour. They're like, oh, we're gonna go clean up
for you or whatever and we'll come back out. And
I'm like okay, I wait there for an hour and
they were like closing and I'm like, okay, where's my car?
And they're like, I don't know. Let me ask some guy.
And they went to the back and they found you know,
Joe Blow, the dude who was cleaning the car or whatever.
And he came out. He's like, oh, let me take
you to your car. And he's like, I was charging

(09:42):
it to one hundred percent for you. And I'm like, no,
what are you doing. No, don't charge it to one
hundred percent. It was like one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
And he's like, oh, we need to leave it with
you know, I wanted to fill it up for you.
He thought he was doing the need this big favor
and I'm like no, And then he took out the
next plug. Right, he takes it out and he horses
the door down. He goes and I'm just like, car,
my car, house.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
You're anymore?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Oh my gosh. Yeah. So anyway, I would not recommend
buying from dealerships, but I definitely saved a lot of money.
On that car, and it's been a wonderful car. Have
not had any mechanical problems with it. I had to
fill up the windshield wipe of flood. Sorry, I forgot
to mention that a big, big budget item there.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I haven't done that yet someone she liked.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
So yeah, but treat me well. Around thirty thousand miles
in in six months, so it might be a six
How many miles is the at one hundred and five?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Wow, well you're just you've beaten me, I think, which
I'm currently the high score odometer tesla on the podcast.
So yeah, nice, that.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Was slash were Yeah, I'm one hundred and five thousand
and five hundred and.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Well Mike has driven the most miles true, yeah, yeah,
but those are not all the most miles on his
vehicle exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Dang, that's perfect well and even and even if it
pills out at one hundred and sixty k and I
need a big expensive battery replacement, like it was cheap
enough where it's just like whatever, like it was less
than twenty grand. And supposedly, if this tiny little Efeckless
dealership can get their all their paperwork together, I theoretically

(11:30):
should be able to get four thousand dollars for the
uh whatever used EV credit thing. So it was nineteen
thousand before the credit yep, so they couldn't do a
point of sale because they weren't hooked up with the
IRS system or whatever, because they're a tiny dealership that
doesn't deal with EV's much. But I've read all the
laws and stuff, and they've given me the paperwork so

(11:52):
that I should be able to file when I file
my tax I should get four grand back on my
taxes next year for this purchase.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
So, oh my god, Nick, Yeah, what are you gonna
do with all that money?

Speaker 2 (12:06):
I think you bought it the really wrong time, Drew.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Well, see, now I'm in the boat if I have
Hardware three. One of my really close friends has a
Refresh Model three and he has Hardware four. And it's
very nice riding around in his spaceship with air conditioned seats.
And now every time I open up my car door
that has this little creek, I have to sit tell
myself nineteen thousand, five hundred dollars nineteen and that makes

(12:34):
me feel better.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
In the screenshot you sent from your app, MMM, it
says you have FSD twelve dot five dot two.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yes I do.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
I never got that, Nick, and I have Hardware three.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
That's I just updated yesterday. I just got an update yesterday.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
You don't have.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
End of the ninety days had to be. They waited for.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Redemption to expire, and then they rolled it out to
all the hardware three vehicles.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Did you were you? Were you on a do you
pay for fest? Did you buy a fisty? I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Not with dollars.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Oh you did pay credits.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
I paid in credits and it expired two days ago.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Oh no, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
And now they add it.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
So neither of you have tried out the new FSD.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Then can we say the news parking lot FSD the
park you can you can actually smart Summon. Oh my yeh.
I'm still waiting for actually smart Summon. Both of my
friends with refreshed model threes. Actually literally a nine minutes ago,

(13:52):
one of my friends just got the twelve point five
dot two dot one, which is the actually smart Summon
update on his refreshed Wait, how did you get FSD?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Nick?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I pay for it monthly. Okay, nice, that's.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
A good way to do it.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Same with the car. I would have flipped. Yes, it
came with the card. My goodness, what it did not.
I've never heard of someone getting a three long range
for that low.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
I mean I shopped it and it was literally local,
like it was not. I was ready. I was. I
was searching all over the country like I was ready
to fly. I was Edmund's list and I was literally
just sorted Edmund's list by nationwide. I knew I wanted
a long range and.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It wasn't a salvage.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
No, it's clean title, one owner, no accidents.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
They just wanted to get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
I know.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
It's literally because Hurts was fire selling all of their
Model threes and like that two month window and that
was like the literally it wouldn't have worked the month before.
Financially for me. It was just like okay, sad, look
stock drop sites in the right now place.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
I've not seen a single Model three from that year.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
No, right now my car. I've looked at Kelly blue
Book on my car. My car is worth twenty four
thousand dollars right now on Kelly blue Book. So like, well,
that makes an appreciating asset. So like.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Dave Ramsey, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Did it come without the aero caps or did you
take them off?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
It came with two of the aerocaps, and both of
the two arrow caps were just curved to heck, which
too two back to. I don't think it matters, right,
they're interchangeable, I peel them off.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
No, these are the kind of pointless details that mattered
to me.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Okay, I don't remember. I have them at my hangar song.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I was wondering if they were on like diagonally mounted, Like.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
No, they're on the same side. I think they're on
the same side. Wow. But regardless, I don't like the
aero cover side. I think air covers look stupid. So
I'm glad that they don't have because Wow, I like, Wow.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
It looks clean. It looks extremely real clean, and I'm
very happy for you. It's something that after the last
time you were on this podcast talking about you'd probably
get like a hybrid or wherever. I kind of lost up.
I'm like, well, maybe in twenty years he'll get it.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
I will say. So, I wrote trip a lot in
this car, right, like, I put a lot of miles
on this car in a very short amount of time,
which means road tripping. I travel were what thirty eight
weeks into the year of twenty twenty four, and I
have traveled for thirty five I guess if you count
tomorrow's trip, thirty six of the weeks of this year,

(16:46):
So all but two weeks of this year I've traveled.
And it's about equally divided between flying and driving somewhere.
So I drive pretty frequently. Most frequently I drive down
to Browns, which is like an eight hour drive, hit
two super I leave the house whole. I hit a
super charger after about two hours of driving, and then
I hit another super charger after about two hours of driving,

(17:07):
and then I arrive at my friend's house at like
basically six percent or something. But I installed a thirty
two an charger at her house, so I just charge
it and charge at her house with all the money saved,
with all the money I saved, exactly. It was just
that membership. You have multiples of those. Watch the more

(17:28):
information on that story. This is this has become a
pet peeve now that I've done it, now that I
understand how this all works. This is a pet peeve
of mine when people are like, I have to get
a charger installed in my house. I was literally talking
to my dad about this a couple of weeks ago.
It's like, hey, do you ever consider need And he's like, well,
I got to like install a charger, and like I
would never do that, And even if someone gave me
a I'm like, okay, dude, whatever, that's fine. You do you.

(17:50):
But like the shade that, yeah, all lots of shade.
But the the house that I'm living at right now,
my roommate slash lamb Art slash really good friend Reeve,
he bought this house. It's like a sixty nineteen sixty
eight is when it was built, so it's like a
fifties bunglow. It's in the Houston area, right next to
JC like real like classic.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
People, look at what.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
It's like one two three.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
He literally just did the IP address. It's right next
to Houston the street it is.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
But it was an owner people, So don't go now.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
You assume too much. Just because I'm in Texas does
not mean that everything's close. You don't have to pretend here.
I am a Tesla owner so I can use all
the Texans. I have gotten. Cold World a couple of times,
like oh yeah, aggressively cool world.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
It's like for me, for me, and then pop it
out of chill mode and put it into regular mode.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I'm just like.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Slop between depending on what state I am. I put
a camelist sticker and then a Trump sticker, just so
I don't get run off the road. I just switched between.
I just need a little rotating, rotating thing.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
To slay on the back.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
It detects the voting.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Uh, it's like on the visualizer, it's if it's a
pickup truck, it's a Trump sticker, and if it's like
a sedan, it's a it's a camel sticker. It perfect,
It's a perfect Mike loves this idea just for the record.
But anyway, back to my big about the people's impressions
on EV's. We installed to uh to forty amp chargers

(19:36):
in the garage for like less than one hundred and
fifty bucks worth of parts. Like people who want this
is a big complication to install it yourself. Yeah, it's
not that hard, folks.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
That's where you save the money.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Yeah. It's like literally took me in my roommate and
like another friend from NASA, like an evening like we
were we literally had they had some alcoholic beverages. I
don't drink, but like they had some alcoholic beverages and
we had some fun music going.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
And don't wire under the influences are off, I'm sure,
but it's only forty as it won't hurt that bad.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
So we have two Nima fourteen fifty chargers, one on
each side of the garage. He doesn't have an EV yet,
but he has next car is also going to be evy,
so we just wired up both and then we so
he has a two hundred and fifty AMP service to
his house, absolutely insane. The four houses on the corner
share a thousand amp service, so we all have two fifty.
The house doesn't use more than one hundred, so we
sent one hundred amp service to the garage so we're

(20:36):
able to uh have all the amp bridges in the garage.
So we have two forty amp car chargers and then
some tool power tools and stuff.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
So how do you feel about road tripping now so
frequently with an EV compared to your old escape?

Speaker 1 (20:50):
You definitely stopped more than I used to, But it
is not bad like it is, thank you, much more relaxing,
I guess, yeah, but I do have to plan it out,
so okay, So example.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
You have to plan it out in terms of your
time because it does all the planning.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, yeah, of course I use the test to do.
But so, like example, if I was going to go
visit you know, people up in Missouri or something, that
is I think twelve hours of ish of regular ice
car driving, and on my Tesla it's more like fifteen

(21:28):
with charging stops, and so at that point, I could
do twelve hours in a day, and I have. Actually
as recently as Christmas, I went up there in the
Mercedes Mercedes Benz that was a gas car, and I
did that in twelve hours. That wasn't too bad pretty much,
just straight through to stop for gas a couple of times.
But fifteen hours is like, eh much, that's like eight

(21:52):
hundred and something. Not off the top of my head.
I could look it up, but figure out exactly where it.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
No, I was just saying, it's about that distance to
my parents' place, and I've done that in twelve hours
in the Sonata really, but then in the Model three,
which is the standard range by the way, Okay, I've
done it in fourteen hours.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Okay, so maybe it's not as bad as the route
planners predicting or something, but I haven't tried it yet
because it's just I don't know. I travel so frequently
that I really just travel on the weekends, like I do,
you know, off Friday, Saturday, Sunday trips and so like,
it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to
spend a day driving a day there, in a day
driving back. So I found I really only drive too

(22:34):
and yeah, I have to not my ideal thing. So
I'll drive like Tallahassee is as far as I've driven
on a weekend in the car. I'll drive to Dallas
or Austin or Brownsville or even out to like Waco
or something. So it's still like the Texas area. Texas
is huge, wacko wacko wacky wacko.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Waco, Texas test been there.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
That was the office.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
So we did just under eight hundred miles when we
drove to Salt Lake City.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
So, oh my god, I forgot we did that for
a second.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
You forgot that we drive.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Oh that's right, that was like two weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
I know if you caught that.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I saw I saw a floating around on the internet.
He goes went to visit Randy. How did that trip go?

Speaker 2 (23:22):
It was a long drive, but it was good, very
much like what you're saying, Uh, Tesla plans for it,
but you have to plan with it with time. And
that's something that Drew and I were having to figure
out when we were doing the first leg in the
Second League of when do we want to be at

(23:42):
X or Y location?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
And it's not bad like they're they're fifteen minutes stop,
fifteen twenty minutes stop stop.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's so really it's good for you.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's so reassuring to hear this now from you, Nick,
because I'm glad I stop. I mean if I get
which I would never.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I still stand by that though, like if I did,
if I did have a gas car, or if if
magically my Model three could just you know drive for
a thousand miles, I would totally do that. But guess
what I'm not doing for the two hours while I'm driving.
I'm not driving. The car's driving. I'm staring at the
road and other things, but I'm not driving for them potholes. Yeah, jump,

(24:31):
there's a two roads. I don't know if we could
talk more about FSD later or whatever, but like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Know, it's it's a lot remember back when Sorry, this
is just my callback episode.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
You remember that time. You remember remember when.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
There was a point where back when you were and
in the description of each podcast you just left at
the very end and talk about the state of f
s D And you left that in for like fifteen
episodes because you were like, I just want to cover
that so I don't have to write it each time.

(25:09):
It's like talk about.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
You're going to say something else true, like more specifically,
like concerns that I have, Oh, things that I am
I am like worried about, Like like I'm kind of
worried about the cyber truck.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Oh wow, we need to capture that audio right now.
I was trying. Oh my gosh, I wasn't going to
figure out how many times you said that, Nick and
then turn into a compilation put on the podcast.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Why would you torture yourself? Yeah, it's a lot of
hours wasted. I'm like that that would take so long.
Let hold on me do it or someone.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
Interest insanity.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
So you haven't had any any serious issues with the
Model three so far?

Speaker 1 (26:06):
No, I mean knock on wood, I guess. But like
we're pushing we're over one hundred k, we're pushing one
hundred and twenty and that's amazing, no problems.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
It's a lot better than what I've been dealing with
with my model wife. Really, it's been a bit of
a happy recently. So it's an early vin model. Why
from me? What you recall?

Speaker 1 (26:28):
I lucked out?

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I lucked out.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
I got the very tail end of the.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, tell me more about your problems of early things,
so I should have listen and be entertained.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
So the history so far has been in the first
few months, the hatch on the back of it was rubbing,
and so instead of correcting the misalignment, that just gave
me a whole new hatch. So it's slightly different colored
midnight silver metellic, no hatch. What was the other There's
a few other things that were going on the tip

(26:59):
of the ice. Yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Giving a and ocean gate is there too?

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Oh no, please stop. I'll give it quick little summary.
Say that. The other major body work is the interior doors.
I've got an answer for that that's not reflected on
the images. So, uh, my dogs. At some point, I
have three dogs, and they ravaged the interior door pans,

(27:28):
not too much, but enough to where it's like.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
I don't like it was something that making doors that's
susceptible the dog pause.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well I got the pet liner right after it happened,
which was annoying. But anyways, I didn't know how long
Tesla was going to support like these doors. Who knows
if they were or not. So I figured, Okay, I
get the new doors. Now they're placed. Three out of
the four.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Doors I only needed to replaced, so you got a
free door.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Yeah, So that was the thing. I talked with them
about it in this service visit with the suspension noise,
and the guy couldn't figure out why they gave me
a third door. And it wasn't his service center that
did it. It was a different one, and he could
figure out why they gave me a free door for
free or yeah, a third door for free. So now
I just have three updated doors and one old door.

(28:23):
Let's thee other. Oh yeah, the upper control arm. Drew
was mentioning that earlier the front left upper control arm
was starting to squeak, and that happened right after my
basic warranty ended. Yeah, Like I would turn it and
everyone around would look at me wondering what that horrific
noise is, what's the problem so with Model threes and

(28:46):
Model Wise, I don't know if it's a Model SNX issue,
but at least the threas and whise the windshield so
when there's water on it, it's not just going to
pool in like the little sill that goes under. It
goes down. So that channel where it goes down into
leads straight to the upper control arm. Oh that's stupid,

(29:08):
And so it dumps right on the joint.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Doubt, don't bet against I know the guy pretty well
land Rockets.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
I don't know if you knew this, but I didn't
know that. I had had no idea. I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
I definitely I don't. I don't like your cynicism towards
Tesla right now. You're being such a hater. Oh my god,
my god.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Anyways, so it dumped. What so this is the thing
that happened with a lot of Model thres Model wise.
I'm not sure if they've corrected or not, but at
least with the new upper control arms that might be
in you and Drew's Model threes, they have a different
cover on that joint, so that way water does it
ingress the same way as the old Model threes?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
And why so they dipped it in flex seal.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Anyway swift.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah, I was thinking of the John Tron where he
dips a hole drill. But uh so now looking at
the photos here, uh a new sound came up, which
is it sounded suspension wise on the front right and
it would.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Just sus so early Finnish.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
It was very clunk clunk cluk clunk on like relatively flat.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
Roads, is extremely noticeable.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
They resolved it, and I didn't know what it was,
but they described it as it was coming from the
stabilizer links. But they which they also said, is something
that isn't uncommon for Tesla's to have replaced in like
the first seventy thousand miles.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
It usually so I'm safe, usually somethings around the fifty
thousand first mile, right.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
So here's the really annoying thing about it. These are
both problems that aren't uh they won't cause damage to
the vehicle, Like you're not in any danger if you're
hearing or having these same issues as me. But they
are really loud and annoying to where it sounds like
your vehicle's gonna fall apart. So it's purely noise vibration
and it wasn't handling wherever it is. It's purely that.

(31:12):
It's not even like they will become decrepit and fall
apart in your car will start skidding on the ground
at seven miles an hour. That won't happen, is what
they claim. They claim. It's just going to be noisy
for as long as it will be until you fix it.
And with my wife being one that doesn't like hearing
very loud, audacious noises coming from the car that she's
driving because it concerns her along with myself, we got

(31:35):
replaced for a whopping four hundred and seventy three dollars. No,
but it.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Goes saving yeah, right, So like how the fine Prince
has no issues at this time.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
That's the wheels fell off at this time.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
It's fun.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I am the period within this this minute. It's okay.
I'm so sorry, Mike. I wish.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
In the meantime, they gave me a Model three to
drive around, which was pretty much the same.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
It's a performance.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's a Performance twenty nine nineteen that's faster than your car.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
It uh, you don't even have the new screen.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
No visually so it had cat paws on it and
it smelled like a cat was in there for a
couple of days.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
It's possible it's still in there.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
It's possible.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Probably the front in the front.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I looked all over. I was trying to forget what
the smell.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
At least it's the same color.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
My wife went to the garage and song, She's like, ew,
where's our car.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
That's it. It's a little dissilated.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Mister hoody.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Yeah, it's a It was a fun car to drive around,
but I really missed the model. Why after the miss
about it? The height, the the not smelling like cat pee.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Picky picky geez.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I will say occasionally on a hot summer's day, my
car will smell like a rental car, you know, like that,
like probably was smoked in vaguely, but there was enough
like odorizer to like mask it. Sometimes I get in
my car and I'm like, nineteen thousand, nineteen nine.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
It wasn't you. Sure it wasn't you that smelled that way?

Speaker 1 (33:31):
That? I mean, seeing how don't frequent cigarettes?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Probably not?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
You need one of those.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Talking about that on the podcast, Nick's uh, that's for.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Those listens in now Baby.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
So that's the reason why Nick left. He had to
go to rehab for his cigarette addiction.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Yeah, I've never in my life mother.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Anyways, what was the last thing I was gonna say about.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Oh so I've not happy we all have threes now, No,
I don't have a Model three, no matter what, matter
what different.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
No, Okay, I got a real question for you, Mike.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
I've got a real answer for you, Nick.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Now, being a newly minted Model three user, I know
what what am I missing out on? Because when I
was when I was pricing out. Obviously I got my
car super cheap for under twenty grand, true, but Model
Model Wyse were like thirty five thousand at the time,
and so it was literally almost double the price to

(34:39):
get a Model y. And we all know that I
look like Bowser trying to fit into the Model three,
which I still remember trying to fit into Model three.
Now I'm like one hundred punds lader from when I
was actually doing the net. So you know I fit
in with what now? You just look like length? Yeah,
I look like not shack, like.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
Like a white hit the compliment when I give them, think.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Was that my one issued compliment for this whole show.
So you look like I'll frame that.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Thanks good.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
But anyway, what am I missing on the Model Y
versus the Model three? Because like, I have my list,
but like, what am I missing?

Speaker 2 (35:18):
The space is nice, the height is nice?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
What about the what about the roof?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
What about it? Like it's right for those behind me,
but not for me because I have to look straight
up to enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Okay, Well, with Nick's height, he would be in the
like second row of your mone.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Just take out the driver's seat.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I think he could be so many times I remember that.
It's like we.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
All come home after a long trip.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
Oh yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Also why a weapon defense mode? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I don't have that, unfortunately because Min's early with are
doesn't have it.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
No, none the threes have it. Even the nose threes
don't have weapon. It's a size constraint.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah, you need to.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
They can't physically fit the filter in the Model three,
but they can in the WY.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
It's so much room for that. Frounk. What are you
store in your frunk? Both of you go.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
My lunchbox and roud groceries that smell like pizza and well,
I guess grocery.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
The eye hook, the eye hook.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
All right, so far I only have one of these
similar items, so continue.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Two lunchboxes.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I also store beach towels. It seems to be the
perfect place to store beach tails.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I pretty much put dirty objects in the front. It's
easy to clean compared to putting it in the back
of the car, where it's kind of like a carpet
felt and I don't want to clean that after I
put like a sandy towel or greasy something or other.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's a good point.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, so the fronk is nice for that. Do you
use yours at all?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I have tripods and sunscreen and beach tiles and a
roll up inflatable mattress in case I need to crash
somewhere on my long road trips. Have you slept in
the back of the three I have? I've slept in
the tree a couple of times. Yeah. Actually, it's actually
pretty good. That's pretty nice. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I mean there was a time, Nick where you were like,
I refuse to get the three because I'm a big guy.
I need the Why Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Never get If I was dropping forty or fifty thousand dollars,
I would get the car that I want. But Drew,
might I remind you that I spent nineteen five hundred
dollars on this vehicle.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
This is how much your vehicle costs now.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
How much does my vehicle cost now after savings?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, get rid of the savings.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Fifty Yeah, but would you get the all wheel drive
or would you get the real real drive.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I would probably still get the all wheel drive. I
like the sportiness of it. It is really fun. Sensation
is yeah, it is really fun. I leave it in
chill mode ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
We have two motors in our Teslas.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Okay, Drew, there's jealous. Drew's hardcore jealous over here, but
they're actually like, Okay, it's fun to do it. You know,
when you're first on the stoplide or whatever, it's like
a sixty five or whatever. In Houston, we have plenty
of those streets. That's fun. But there are actually useful
times where I'm pulling up to like a divided highway,
I'm trying to turn left onto or something where I'm like,
I know I'm gonna need to get and go quick,

(38:24):
and so I have on the control wheel on the
left side, I have the shortcut set to toggle between
chill and regular mode, and it is it is very
nice to just like press hole, roll down, press again too.
Now I'm in like way too fast mode. I am
terrified every time I drive that, and I'm just like

(38:46):
I'm like hanging out of the steering room. I'm like,
heard it off exactly, going too bad. We have to
spot down, but we can't. But like that actually scares me,
so I do leave it on chill, like almost all time.
I love how smooth it is, all three of you.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
The one who's not here also drives in chill too crazy.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
So chill.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
He is so chill you can't believe you're just out
at him like that.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
That's why he's not speaking, why he's giving this look.
He is being disposed.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
But yeah, y'all drive and chill. I don't understand it,
Like what's.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
It's And hey, our suspension's working just fine.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
You noticed anything.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Also, we get better efficiency, We're not wasting as many electrons.
I will say though, like sometimes on like the Kadie
Highway in Houston is like the widest highway in America.
It's like twenty something lanes across or something. It's ridiculous.
On that highway and on many other highways around here,
there are times where I will just put it in

(39:53):
regular mode, not sport motives. I don't have that, but
just regular mode, And like, I feel like I need
that to survive on these roads. Sometimes I don't remember
what I used to do when I didn't have a Tesla. I. I
was talking with a friend the other day, it's like
I haven't driven, Like I literally haven't driven a gas
car in over three months. Like, yeah, that's Katie Highway. Yep.

(40:14):
I wish I could say the same. So it's like
I don't I don't know what I would do if
my driving has gotten so lazy a because I can
just push the stock down and it drives itself. Yep.
There's Katie Highway yep.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's insane yep.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
And when the traffic is going to like at least
twelve soccer ball on that or at least.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Five gmc hummer evs mm hmmm, probably Bourn.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
It'd be a little tight.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
But yeah, maybe.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Nick actually took this from his glasses. He took put I.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Had to crack the window on the top of my
Model three so fit in it.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
And when I'm driving the.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Freaking big bird in a car.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Jeffrey Wow Wow again. Watch the Tech podcast for full context.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Well, I can't exactly remember the last time Nick was
on the podcast, but I don't. I don't know what
else has happened in terms of EV driving. Do you
have any experience with the cyber truck? Do you have
any thoughts on it now that it's out and.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I have lots of friends who have them and I
got to drive then. I don't think I'm allowed to
say the exact fin number, but it was under twenty.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Above eighteen.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I agree that does not narrowing it down very much. Anyway,
one of my good friends we met in January and
he had one of the He used to work in Tesla,
so he had like one of the very first cars
off the line. I'm sorry he was not laid off
that way unfortunate circumstances, but any who, not for his

(42:11):
personal life. His truck, though, is was very one of
the very first ones. And it was really weird because
at that time in January, that's actually his truck. Yeah,
in January, like nobody had cyber trucks, Like I remember,
it was like early January. Nobody had cyber trucks. And
we drove it through like a little strip mall and

(42:36):
I kid you not everyone was looking at us. Babies
were looking at me, grandma's were looking at me. Everyone everyone,
everyone had their phones out. It was the weirdest feeling ever.
And I see what celebrities talk about, like this is
just a really weird sensation. Like we were rolling down this,

(42:58):
you know, in front of a Barnes and Noble and
like a Smoothie King and it's like we're rolling down
in the cyber truck and everyone stopping, getting out of call,
rolling down their windows, turning around. Babies are crying, grandmas
are running. It's like, oh wow, this is just a truck.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
But it was cool.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
The baby's crying. Yes, they're small, small child's and small
other things. The lightning is also I can't remember when
last time I was on the show, but I have
a lot of experience with the lightning as well. I
did a really long, terrible distance, a very terrible road trip.
Have not repeated that in the lightning bottom line of

(43:36):
the lightning do not drive a standard range forward lightning
with one metric ton of airplane parts and an eighteen
foot boat between Houston and Wisconsin, because you will be
stopping every ninety miles. You will be stopping every eighty
miles between every Walmart parking lot, and you will be
charging from ten to one every time, and that does

(43:58):
take two hours. So that took like fifty eight hours
of driving.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
At least at Tesla superchargers.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Now I've met a few of those people, not my
favorite people, because they park the wrong direction and they
mess it all up for everybody.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
But they have to. They don't have a choice, and.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
It's only gonna happen a better truck. It's gonna say,
it's only gonna grow more in frequency because now we
have Kia and Hyundai adopting in and getting in next year.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
As a freshly minted Tesla owner, all those other EV
owners can go suck it at a Walmart parking lot
and break down those electrons.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I want to outside of the argument.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
He's on as about that, No, Shelly, Like, I think
it's cool that everyone's adopting next, but I was very familiar,
unfortunate that we're gonna all suffer for it.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
To be fair, there's far more Tesla's than Rivians, So
sure Tesla is plugging the network far more than and
Ford or Rivian.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
But we were at a comfortable medium. But then now
I roll up to a supercharger in where were we
New Jersey and it was full, but the Tesla app
said there's one stall available, and we roll up there
and it's a backwards parked lightning parked in front of
the one charger like they were taking up two spots,

(45:24):
and it's like the app didn't like the Tesla screen
didn't know that it thought there was one available, so
it rooted us there and we're sitting there like it
should have a way to know.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
I agree, but it doesn't be like, oh, Ford is here,
take out to take out the nearest stall, because.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
We didn't have to stop there. We could have gone
to the next one, but it was like oh stop here,
and like okay, but then we sat there for five
minutes waiting for someone else to finish charging. As a disaster. Anyway,
you asked about the cyber trek steering is very cool.
I really enjoy the steering. The foot pedal almost killed me,
so I died. I did make sure to take out

(46:02):
all the Grandma's with the pointy triangle, although I was
trying to tow an F one fifty and the whole
back bumper fell off, so I don't know what the
deal is about that. I think it's a fine.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
True you are a man of culture.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah, it's a forty thousand dollars car that people are
buying for sometimes much more than one hundred thousand dollars.
And I am truly sorry for everyone who bought one
similar to me. With my Model three purchase, I'm very
grateful I did not get a twenty eighteen Model three.
I'm very grateful I got a twenty twenty two Model
three because there's no issues with it. There's no build

(46:42):
quality issues. It's one hundred and five thousand miles and
there's no fit and finish rattling issues, no suspension issues. Like,
it's fine, But my poor cybertruck friend who has the
low low Low Vin has had very major things replaced
on his truck just because it was low pin Now obviously,
now yeah, he is his his truck. At one point

(47:05):
he his truck had spent more time at Tesla getting
serviced than he had it and that was like and
they're like, oh, here's a loaner, and he's like, well,
I already have the Model less. I'll just try that.
You're sad, but now you have Modeled beautiful, you can

(47:26):
have your plaid and you can have this really crappy
P seventy five D.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
So is that the price then you put on it?
You'd consider a cyber truck at forty.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
Yeah, just the I mean, obviously there's the Tesla tacks
in the hype around it, so maybe fifty is fair,
but like just looking looking at it, like I've seen
cyber trucks just right off the lot, and like there
is significant like the the this is obviously part of
the design, but the steel isn't rounded over right, it's
just stamp steel, so like it's sharp and jagged and

(48:00):
they didn't even take like a it's the aesthetic, but
it just doesn't feel nice, you know, like it Yeah,
like my car, the metal like rolls over so that
the metal between the panels like it's like a smooth,
rounded metal. But with the cyber truck is just you
know angles, which I get it's part of the aesthetic,
don't at me in the comments, but it's just like
it doesn't feel premium. And then there's a bunch of

(48:21):
machine marks on the on the body panels themselves. That
truck that I was I'm specifically referring to, is I
think then like two thousand ish. Not that one, but
the one that I like took a jeweler's lope to
pretty much right after it was delivered. And like it
has you know, like swirly like polishing issues, like deep

(48:45):
scratches that you couldn't just buff out from like something.
It's just like things like that, just the.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Little thin piece. Anyone can rip that off, Oh yeah,
without much exactly. I've seen it on every single cyber
truck I've looked at. I've poked at it, and it
gives because it's just this narrow strip of pins and
glue and you can just and the first few that
were delivered, several of.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Them popped off.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Chris Tesla documented that he's driving down the freeway and
it's just like the air is pulling it back. No,
it's like a solid foot off of the side of
the truck. It wasn't even just a little bit off.
It was like.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
So.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
But they had three months to design it and then
four years to figure out how to mass produce it exactly.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
No problems at all now. But I think it'll get there.
I mean I give it, like, you know, three years.
The parts of the vehicle are cheap, right, like right now,
they're selling it because they can for high prices, like
yet a couple electric motors, some batteries that they are
manufacturing the heck out of, so they're going to have
plenty of supply of batteries, so batteries an't gonna be
the primary expense. And you guess some like sheep steel,

(49:56):
like it's the whole strame is uniformly just like unipressed
or whatever. So it's like it's a cheap vehicle that
is cool because it's a cool to unique design. There's
a lot of hype around it. But I am very
much looking forward to in three to five years when
the hype and stuff is gone and the build quality
is improved, we can have you know, reasonably priced forty

(50:19):
fifty dollars ship. I didn't seen myself owning a cyber truck,
but just not at the price points that they're currently at.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Did you ever get your money back from the deposits?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
No, Actually it was really funny. I have changed card
numbers since then, and there was no way in the
Tesla account to update my card number, and so I
got emails that they refunded me my money, but I
never saw it. So someone somewhere got a couple hundred
bucks from Nick Anthon.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Wow, that's why they took so long. It makes sense that,
like we're waiting for all the reservation cards to expire
before where we deliver any.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Dang.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
So is it still your most favorite ev out there
or is there something that has peaked your interests more
that is coming to market or is on the market
right now.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
That's a good question. I've thought about that a couple
of times. Obviously, I like my current car quite a bit,
but I have enough friends with refresh model threes to
know that my car is no longer the Beasnies, and
just like my phone, at some point, I'll want a
new one. However, Comma.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
The excuse me?

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Are you laughing at my grammar? You laughing my grammar?

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Sure, that's a sarcastics needs.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
If I was like, this is a verbal conversation, you're
not dictating. I hope.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
Apple intelligence has entered the chat. No, the ribbans are
really nice. I have extensive time with the R one
t UH done many road trips in that it's a
much nicer road trip card than the Lightning Is. I
haven't spent a lot of time in the who makes
the ionic fives Hundai? Those look really nice. I've seen

(52:13):
them at work quite a bit. A lot of people
have them at work. They seem very popular. I think personally,
I'm gonna be an R three s person. I have
an R two reservation. So whenever the three guest comes out,
that's news to me. Yeah, so I have it. It's
one hundred bucks or whatever, same as a cyber truck. Yeah,
I just before the car.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Don't change your card numbers.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Right, No, but yes they are the are two might
be my next vehicle. I don't know. I don't the
more I live with the Sedan, Like, yes, it's uncomfortable
sitting standing up and down, but like I'm young, my
knees are fine. I can get in and out, okay,
Like it's not that big of a deal. And I appreciate.

(52:58):
I wouldn't say supremacy, but they're fish and so it's like, okay,
you can be it. You can be a alt alt
sedan supremacist.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Wow, that was a careful words.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
We're not to monetized yet, boys, we'll get there.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
So you say you like efficiency.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Huh m hmm, am I about to get a pitch
for a little cute little truck and or a little
three wheel and motorcycle car. Well, I don't know, we'll
just see.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Vehicles.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
Oh wow, look at this. I didn't realize that he
had that queued up.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
That's kind of perfect timing. But I hear you like
high range to make good time on road trips. So,
but you don't want to spend, you don't want to
have your vehicle.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I'm convinced you've already convinced me. You don't need to
say anything else. I'm very much interested in Atara. Will
it have car play too, that's my question.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
I think so it will at least have car plays
alas of ev first. I don't know about the enhanced
car play thing, but it will at least have basic
car play.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
I think that's that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Have you seen the UI, the latest UI?

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah? For oh for Aptera? Yeah, no, I haven't. I
gotta show you right now.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
He's probably I'm about to beat him to it. No,
he beat me.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Okay, So these are the latest renders from last year.
There's new renders now, but I can't show them. For
the most part, it's the same. But they look at
this user inter.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It's I've got a closer look on it as well.
If it's too far away for you, let me adjust
my spectacles.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
It says, park, Yeah, there's a pee.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
There's a pee, And then it shows you how many
watts you're getting from the solar? How long until you
hit your chart?

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Just switch to my street.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
It's so much clod if you just say.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
Having solar panels on the top of your car is
a nice gimmick. But as the whatever ocean car proved
not very h it not, it doesn't actually do much.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
You couldn't be more wrong.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Two totally different sizes and shaped vehicles.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
Okay, do you know what am I missing?

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Would you like to explain why you're wrong? I'll give
you a chance now before I completely love my mind.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
No, I'm right.

Speaker 2 (56:01):
About to murder. Happened, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
I just get up and start running to Texas. Oh yeah,
do you know exactly? Help?

Speaker 2 (56:17):
And he's gone.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Don't lose your earbuds.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Don't remind him. It was as destructive as the first
cyber truck glass demonstration.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
Nicholas Nicholas, Yes, do you know how many miles per kilo?
What hour?

Speaker 1 (56:37):
The Fisker Ocean guy. None, because they don't exist anymore. Well,
they exist actually the company Blasa actually have them. It's hilarious. Hey, yeah,
three or four that I see driving around on site
every day, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Like, oh, I I question in the decision making ability
for those people.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
I'm like, I work with these people to be fair.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
It's actually that's very topical. New service locations are now equipped.
I guess there's many more service locations now equipped with
Fisker's diagnostic tool.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
So, but can you update the software with it?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Probably not, But at this point I think people who
own this car either are just going to use it
as is, or if they want to get creative, they
can hack into it and put in their own custom
UI or whatever. Anyways, Drew, you're about to rip nick
a whole new charge port.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Hey, Tesla opened my charge port.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
You know you can say something else that I'll open
the charge So the answer is three.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Dollars, Yes, I agree, that's what it's where Ocean gets
three miles per kilo an hour? Okay, so many miles.
That's so many miles.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Do you know how many miles per kilo an hour?
The optera gets.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
The context Lady and gentlemen, I am guessing more than
three ten than three?

Speaker 3 (58:17):
Final answer, ten miles per kilo an hour?

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Is that? Is that when the Nicola pusher vehicle is
pushing it down a hill?

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Or is that?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
No?

Speaker 3 (58:26):
No, I'm driven it myself. So and do you know
how many watts of solar are on the fiske Otan?
Not many watts of watts, very few watts, less than
three hundred.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Oh my, that's really actually nothing, holy.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Shit, exactly, it's an incredibly small, insignificant panel. Do you
know how many watts is on the Opta?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I was hoping at least to kill a.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
What doesn't need a kill a wat? It's seven hundred.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
I rest my case, ladies and gentlemen, this man can't
be reasoned with. You're talking three times the efficiency per
mile and over double the solar cells.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Well, there goes that astron in the ocean.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
This is this is nick Age Crew nine commander when
he was at the NBA. So he was about to
get in the ocean. There not the ocean, big swimming topical.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
So with a Fisker ocean you'd be lucky to get
four to six miles of range from solar in a day.
With the app Terra, you can get forty miles mm hmm.
When you're flying and you're on your trip, your Aptera
would just be out there charging. When you're out in

(59:55):
the field, in the parking lot, it's always always be crouching.
I perk it in perking grudge and there's a plug
in the perking gridge. I just plug it in. But
guess what with the Aptera in that little plug, it's
gonna charge twice as fast as your model three and
have more range.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Ooh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna quote my uh
my favorite wallpaper maker and say, dge of product that
you can buy today, not by what the promise is
that it can be tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah. I'm not saying you got to pay for the
whole thing right now. I'm just when it's out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
So where do I give? Where do I give my
credit card number? Because my credit card number deposit.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Unlike Tesla, they'll give you your money back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Probably just I'll just read you my card number. It's
seven three two four nine three to two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
He specked it up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Are you writing this down? True? Yeah? Okay, Because you're
the you're the Fisker guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
He likes all wheel drive, all panels. A thousand miles probably.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Mean I do think that thousand miles is quite interesting.
In all seriousness, I was kind of just playing around there.
I do think it's an interesting vehicle. I would probably
consider that as an addition to a garage of other cars,
but I don't think I would want that as my
only car. The Model three is a little tight on
space on occasion. For me, I travel around with pelican

(01:01:24):
cases and big bulky backpacks. Oh cargo space, but just
not just not just cargo space, but like you know, functionality,
throw a couple of people in the back. You know.
I'd give tours around work all the time to friends
and family and stuff, so have people hop in the back.
I would say it's a good second car. It's probably

(01:01:44):
a good commuter, probably good road tripper, but like I
could see maybe a Pelican case or two fitting in there.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
It's thirty two and a half cubic feet of cargo
space and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
With the subtrunk of my Model three. Model three is
twenty five cubic feet.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
So do they have like a black hole inside of
their or how do they do that?

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
They have a bunk. It's the proportions. It's not a
small vehicle. A lot of people think it's small. Very
it's very slippery. It has the lowest coefficient of drag
of really any vehicle ever made. And look, they fit
a whole ladder back there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I mean, it's not big ladder, but it is a ladder.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Well, I'm saying more storage space than your current vehicle,
that's all okay, I'm throwing that out there. And you
can reach everything in the trunk from the driver's seat,
unlike a model SCE.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
That is nice mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
And it goes a thousand miles without charging while charging. Actually,
I'll believe it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
When I see it, and I will say I would
definitely consider it, and I will probably be looking for
a vehicle around the time that they're shipping those, So yes,
I would, I would consider it. But you will have
to contend with the R two, which is a really
clean car. Yeah, look at that. Look at that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
If you like stopping more on road trips, sure, hey.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
But well so there's there's a point though, where like
I'd rather just fly, and I fly enough and I'm
used to flying enough where I just I just would
fly like.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
I want to fly down the freeway.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Yeah okay, but after a while of flying flying down
the freeway, so I'd rather just fly over the freeway.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
And do you know the Greek term for wingless flight?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Yes, actually I do, boeing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
That's the sounds you make when you skip off the pavement.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
The sound of the plane makes when it hits the ground.
It's ap terra. Just to be clear, ringless flight. The
R three is amazing, though you'll have no R three S.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I would I get, I would get an R three S,
but I don't think it's gonna be ready, Like I
wouldn't be surprised if I'm gonna be looking for another
car and within two years. Like my big thing right
now is hardware three is able to run the latest software.
One of my buddies has a twenty twenty one almost
the same spec dual motor. He has the performance upgrade,
the software locked upgrade, but otherwise same spec. It's different,

(01:04:26):
different color, different interior. But he has twenty twenty one,
so he doesn't get he didn't get the new visualizer.
He doesn't get the uh visual visual auto park stuff
like the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
Belief that mic he didn't get the new visual I'm
so happy for him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
What does Mike not like the new visualizer?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
I hate it so much every time we stopped the
charge on the road trip.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Well, you can take it away by just swiping and
drew autopilot sitting. Yeah, okay, well you can turn it
off very easily if you own the car and you
don't like it. But I know for a fact, fairly
soon my car is going to start feeling like that
twenty twenty one Model three, where it's not going to
get the latest software which is going to bug the Heckademy.
It's not going to get the latest you know, FSD betas,

(01:05:15):
which is going to bug the Heckademy. And you know,
it's going to continue to create and can put lots
more miles on it, so it's serving its mission, which
is drive a lot of miles for really cheap. So far,
I just pay for super charging, and I do need
to buy tires probably this month. So like that's the
biggest expense I've had with this car, besides insurance. I

(01:05:36):
guess I should say insurance has not been cheaper. I
really miss my old cars. Insurance premiums. I was paying
less than one hundred bucks a month for my old
cars insurance premiums with USAA, and when I got the
Model three, I got a quote with USAA and a
couple of other places, and USA was the cheapest, which
still was not cheap in my opinion. Is pushing two

(01:05:57):
grand for six months of coverage absolutely insane? I know,
so anyway, I know. So they went to renew it
a couple of weeks ago and I'm like, no, I'm
not going to renew that, And so I shopped aund
a little bit more and Tesla was like, oh, Tesla
insurance is available, and why not. So they quoted me

(01:06:18):
like one eighty or something a month, and I'm like, okay,
I'll try that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
Why is it so high?

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Part of it's Houston. I know, Houston is known to
have higher insurance premiums just the local area. There's like,
you know, a thousand factors that go into it. I
was really hoping that now that I'm over twenty five,
maybe it would be cheaper.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
But no, do you have a driver's score.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
I do now have a safety score, and I will
say I do not like how to calculate it. And
I feel like it's very unfair. It's frustrating enough that
I have considered I will consider switching back to USA
or Progressive if it continues this way. So they quoted
me one's one eighty when I signed up, and right

(01:07:04):
now my safety score is a ninety two. I had
I had they keep dying me for hard breaking, which,
let me tell you what heard breaking is. I only
hard break when FSD is about to run a red light,
and it does this repeatedly at this one intersection I
live close to the intersection is at this weird angle,

(01:07:26):
and it doesn't realize that the red light is like
it's red light, and so we'll be going literally forty
five miles an hour and it's like I'm waiting for it.
I'm waiting for it. It's like, okay, buddy, you're running
a room. Okay, we're done, And I'm just like and disengaged.
Has just do for heart breaking exactly, and I'm like,
thank you, Like I don't feel like that's my fault,

(01:07:47):
Like I feel like I am a good driver. The
car would have just continued driving through the red light
in the crash traffic. But I got dingg for heartbreaking,
aggressive turning. I don't know what defines aggressive turning, but
evidently I turned impressively a lot. I don't think I do,
but I've been trying to watch it, but my little
graph is still high. And then I did get one

(01:08:10):
forced autopilot disengagement like a week ago. So that is
that is definitely my fault and I own that one.
Don't look at your phone skids, not a good idea. Nope.
So that is that is the negative factors on my
FSD score and my premium. My future estimated premium is

(01:08:31):
two hundred and forty dollars, and I'm like, that's not
one hundred and eighty dollars. What the hell? Tesla? What
the hell? So I'm very confused what is going on?
So anyway, I'm gonna give it a couple months of
trying out Tesla, but it's monthly, so as soon as
I get fed up with it, I'm gonna bounce and
find another provider that isn't Oh, I got a software update.

Speaker 3 (01:08:57):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
I'll get it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
I'm gonna get yo yo, I'm getting it giving it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Oh yo, he has gotten the A dot S dot
S update.

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Yo. Oh man, I'm gonna have to to get up
this call in a minute and go go have it
driving around a parking lot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Yeah, we'll have to we'll have to wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
I will say it's downloading.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
But what is funny, though, Nick, is that my experience
with FSD, the new version of it or whatever, I
got it a couple of days ago, it does the opposite.
When it's approaching a intersection, it actually starts to slow down,
thinking there's other cars about to go through, even though
it's got the green and so it's got like forty

(01:09:48):
miles per hour to twenty miles per hour, thinking that
there's gonna be cross traffic coming through when it can
already see that there's a light right above that says green.
You are the only one going through here. Oh no, yeah, Also, what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Do you think?

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
Sorry, no, what were you thinking? What do you What
do you guys think about the October tenth event? I
feel like that's something we should talk about before, oh,
before we leave.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
That is the thing. I guess that's not something that
we've gotten your opinion on either. The Tesla pot I'm
I'm curious to see it came up in my mind.
I'm curious to see what this thing looks like, whether
it's anything close to what was leaked by mister Isaacson. Yeah,

(01:10:37):
Walter Isaacson. Yes, yes, mister Isaacson personal friend, Yes, your.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Personal because it's the cyber cab.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Oh my gosh, so very hack cabs. Yes, tacky, very
cat tacky hack cabs, very ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
If it's on a truck, yellow is okay all of
a sudden, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Yes, yellow is amazing. On the rivian that is gross
construction yellow anyway, so you don't hit I'm curious about.
The design is mainly what I'm looking for or forward
to in the event. Anything else we'll see, and it'll
be interesting to see if they can catch up to

(01:11:24):
way Mo and or be at the level of cruise
by this time next year or the year after that. Yeah,
I think that's mainly what I'm predicting and or expecting.
What about you, Drew, I know that you were sharing
on all social media the excitement and or interest in

(01:11:47):
the event invite, but you were very much critiquing the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Image, the lenses incentered. Oh my gosh, Drew drives me nuts.
I can't stand looking at it. My hope is that
it's an event about how it's manufactured, because I am
at the stage where I just don't believe in the

(01:12:14):
whole robotaxi taking over the world thing. I think, similar
to Weimo, it will make sense in regions and jurisdictions
that allow it for an alternative to taking a bus
or a train. It's just another form of public transportation.
But I don't see it killing off car ownership, which
is why basically I don't think it's as disruptive as

(01:12:38):
Tesla thinks it is. I think, similar to the Boring company,
you start out with this vision of we're going to
solve all traffic, and you end up with a few
miles under Vegas and it's like, well, it's kind of cool,
I guess, but it's not anywhere near what they originally
said it was going to be. That's what I think
robotaxis are going to be. Like it's like, oh yeah,

(01:12:59):
they got it working in a few regions, but it
didn't really turn into the whole. Like the fleet awakens,
every car is now a robotaxi. So I'm holding out
hope that they talk about the manufacturing of it so
that it could easily gain a steering wheel and pedals
and be sold for an ultra low price. Nineteen five
hundred for example, just a random price. I love small cars.

(01:13:23):
I love efficiency, so I would love for Tesla to
make a really small, really efficient vehicle that also I
had Steer by Wire because that was my favorite cyber
truck feature was the fact that it changed dynamically the
turning sensitivity. I don't need all wheel steering, but it's
a small car. But like, if there was just a
way for it to dynamically change in a small footprint.

(01:13:46):
You know, most cars on the road have an average
of like one and a half people, So I'd be
totally fine with a really small compact Tesla that's super aerodynamic.
Maybe it gets like five or six miles per kilo
what hour, and is super cheap and cost effective to make,
and they can just crank them out in the event
that the robot taxis aren't ready. But Elon probably doesn't
want to hear that. No, we won't need to do

(01:14:07):
that because the software will be ten times greater than
a human.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Only he became Emperor Palpatine, and.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Who is your hug? This is a good sign. I
like what I'm seeing here. Yeah, that that's cool to me.
I had another one someone made I think with AI, but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
I think I think with those no no, go back,
go back. I think with that design, like the wheels
are like not even on the ground, like they're the
whole cars on the ground, Like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:48):
Yeah, it's a cardboard, it's of cardboard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Then how is it going to survive a crash? Test agrees.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
There's no doors.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
I knew it there was a It even knows the door.
Here's the real one, all right, that's not real.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
See what I like is that the hood and.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
The windshield they're seamless. It looks like sound that looks
like an expensive repair job.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
Okay, maybe the panels would be separated to make it
easier to work on, but overall, I'm just a fan
of the size. I like weird designs. I'm a fan
of weird and no weird. If it has a reason
to look this way, then I'm a fan. Like, look,
you just have your your door window and the back panel.

(01:15:39):
That that simplifies manufacturing so much.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Yeah, nineteen please, it's not I'll take small, small yellow
cars for nineteen thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
But we're not going to get that because that would
osborne the current vehicle lineup. So instead, what we're going
to get is a bunch of talk about GPUs and
how they have all the data. They have more data anybody,
and then Tesla bot is gonna walk up some stairs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
Wow. And they rented the Universal Studios backlot for this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
Yeah, but they you know, they invited like twelve people,
so it should.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
Be well, okay, that's gonna be a big party.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Then why they're not inviting that many people?

Speaker 1 (01:16:21):
Well, actually this is why, because this is the moment
where Tesla bot is going to become self aware and
start as murdering spree all the all the all the
robotax is gonna be full of Tesla Bots and they're
gonna hop out and some dystopian killer cop mode and
just chewed everybody. Yep, just like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Just what is your thoughts So that that's what you
think of in terms of the Tesla bots, they are
murder bots.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
I think I kid no, I think it's really impressive technology.

Speaker 2 (01:16:55):
My uh.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
At work, we have a program called Valkyrie. It's kind
of a offshoot of Robinot Robinot two, which was the
first kind of remote controlled humanoid robot that flew on
the space station a while ago. Valkyrie is kind of
the lunar the lunar version of that more optimized for

(01:17:17):
walking around in lunar environments. From what I've seen with
their team and what Tesla has released publicly, it's like crazy,
how far ahead from the what I would have considered
the bleeding it. Hey there's Valkyrie. I know exactly where
that was taken. That's funny, Hi, Valkyri. Yes, that's Valkyrie.
The robot on the left, the robot on the right.

(01:17:40):
The robot on the right is the much more advanced
Tesla bot with the face, the extra face, DLC.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
You've lost some weight since then, No, that's not me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
So more so design then.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Or design aside. I think humanoid robots are a misnomer.
It's miss Uh. It means I'm gonna drop that. Sorry, yeah, no,
I'm trying to. It's a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I got your nick I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
No, no, no, no, We're going to use Apple Intelligence define misnomer.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
It's right here on the screen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Uh, it's a wrong or inaccurate name or designation. Thank
you Apple Intelligence. That was so much faster than what
Mike just google a A A. It's still dumb Sirie,
just with a cool.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
WHOA.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
So it's I think it's incorrectly. It's incorrect application of technology.
So my branch, everything, everything I work at at NASA
has to do with robots. Like we are ere, we're
advanced robots, like that's us. We do service mobility stuff.

(01:19:04):
We do large gravity offloading robots, we do precision flight
trajectory robots. We build big robots. We know robots. And
it's very interesting to kind of live in this world
now that is full of some of the most intelligent people.
I know. I'm sorry you guys are not there, but

(01:19:27):
these are like people with with PhDs and robotics and
like people who like know their stuff. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
You just you literally told me a few seconds ago
your dropouts, so you know, regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
It's cool. So I forget about people who invented, like
all the patents for robotic manipulated hands, like an acid
invented that stuff like twenty years ago, and that's the
same stuff that Tesla's using, you know, their NASA government
patents that are more open. But anyway, what I'm trying
to say is your robot should fit your use case,

(01:20:03):
not the other way around. And so right now, the
most efficient use of a robot is going to be specified.
So if you want a robot to make a cheeseburger,
you build a machine that makes cheeseburgers autonomously. It's robotic,

(01:20:25):
you know, like that has trays and griddles and stuff
that flips and a little conveyor belt. Like it makes a
cheeseburger and it doesn't make pizza, but it makes a cheeseburger.
What are we talking to chat GPT right now? Like,
how are you finding these images so quickly?

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Now that there's a documentary I watched about it, Chili's
has a machine that's specifically to make it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Yeah, sure, a burger and whatever. So if you want
a robot to discover Mars, you send Perseverance. It's a
specific robot that is going to fill the specific task.
You can't ask Perseverance to make you a cheeseburger, right,
They're two very different applications. One is designed to fly
very far away from Earth and the other is designed
to make burgers cheaply. And so Tesla and any other

(01:21:14):
humanoid robotic program right now is trying to make an
automation more friendly. I think, because I think I think
the future is not a standard brick and mortars McDonald's
full of Tesla bots. I think the future is either
one large robotic machine or multiple robotic machines run by

(01:21:38):
one human that are making cheeseburgers at McDonald's. And I
don't think enough people realize that right now, Like right now,
my car is a robot, right, It drives itself itself,
it's aware of its surroundings. You know, it's a robot.
But I have a self driving car, not because I

(01:21:59):
own a two thousand and eight Ford Escape and there's
a Tesla bot sitting in the driver's seed driving the
vehicle itself. Is the robot, right. You don't build all
these big factories, you know, don't have They use the
robots in cases where it makes sense. Right, So I

(01:22:19):
might be spiraling right now, but I think the point
stands where the humanoid robot, while a cool form factor
and something that might make people think in the home,
is friendly, and it might be that futuristic vision that
we've all wanted, Like Jetson style. I think if you
want something to make you breakfast in the morning, you
will probably just end up having your robotic car drive

(01:22:41):
you to the robotic McDonald's on your way to your
robotic work and you pick up your robotically prepared aches.
You know, like, I don't see that as a future necessarily,
And it's difficult to say that because there's a lot
of hype around these humanoid robots. Go it would be
really cool if you could just teach a robot to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Go back to the egg one, Mike, Okay, what I
really like about this photo is that giant canvas of
the Tesla set.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
It's going to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Hill. I'm like, you can buy those? Can I just
get a giant canvas?

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
But I totally agree with you Nick, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Oh good, I'm glad at least one thing specialization.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
To one thing to play Devil's Advocate. Though, I think
and you probably can see this from their perspective as well.
The whole reason that they're investing all this time in
the humanoid robotics is because they believe the generative AI
software has reached a point to where they believe in

(01:23:51):
the not too distant future, you'll be able to convey
a task or teach a humanoid robot the same way
you teach a human so that it's like a versatile,
infinite adapter that no matter what the manual labor job
is whether it's making fences, picking fruit, making food, or
digging ditches. You know, all the number of things that

(01:24:14):
we're using humans for labor for now suddenly a robot
could now do just with some quick instructions.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
I have doubts in the software personally.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
I'm like, I think the I think it's an infinite
It's like a haystack of edge cases of like, oh,
but it won't be ready for this, and it won't
have enough training data for that and this and the
other thing. But I think that's where their headspace is.
They believe that the software is not too far away

(01:24:45):
from getting to the point where it can learn just
as fast, if not faster than a human. But that
I think is a false dichotomy from assuming that AI
progression is going to be exponential instead of a S curve.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
I would I would also say I don't think that
them pushing for humanoid robots is a bad thing, like
in general, for humanity, because I think it's pushing forward
a lot of subsystems, pushing out a lot of design
and you know, how do you how do you make
powerful actuators that are both power efficient and space efficient? Right?

(01:25:21):
And they're solving these problems in this humanoid form. But
those actuators could be very easily used on seven thirty
seven's flap, or you know, a spacecraft's you know, actually
rocket actuator or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Or a snake charger or a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Snake charger exactly. Or you could just have a test
about it every Testla Sarging Chase and have them awkwardly
walk to every car and plug it, unplug it and
then miss it by a couple of millimeters and just
completely destroy the back end of your car or your
charging door exactly, force your charging door down after charging
your car to have you seen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
Have you seen how waymos get vandalized?

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
No, people just like stand in front of them and
then start spray painting them. It happens all the time.
Now imagine a two legged robot. How the heck people
are gonna abuse that thing when it's around, Then.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
When they do when the well, and then when they
do become sentient, we're all screwed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
The poor Oh I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Do love watching video clips of like the parking lot
full of waymos like conking at each other.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
Oh that's pretty bad. This is pretty I couldn't believe.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
What Whymos designed to honk at all? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:26:42):
Why did they Why were they taught that's acceptable behavior,
Especially in a parking lot. It's like, oh, something's in
my way, just honk repeatedly until it's not in my way.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Combine that with a parking lot full of eighty waymos
and no one's getting any sneak.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
The robo taxis are just gonna play the farts everywhere
just something's in their way.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
It is, Yes, that's the video I was talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
To just be in the middle of the night.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
It's not a part.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Yeah, unfortunately it is not a part. Might actually smart
summing right now. It will take forty minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
I think you explained that pretty well. Do you disagree
with us, Mike in some way or do you think
it's a lost cause the humanoid robot thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Or unfortunately I think I'm in the middle where I
definitely agree more centrist for interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
I do like you, Nick, I believe that if you've
got a specific task, build a robot for that specific task,
and if there's some variance that you can cover as
well with that design, go ahead and do it, as
long as it doesn't increase the cost for production or
materials or complexify the robot too much to where it

(01:28:05):
doesn't make sense to give it that job because it's
just going to do bad at that and the secondary job.
So designing for intent is definitely something that robots need
to have, and for humanoid robot, there is that idea
that it could do something like a human but I

(01:28:28):
I don't know. Drew and I had this exact same
I think conversation a couple of episodes back, either on
the Tech. I think it was on the Tech, and
it's the things that the TEESLBA has been able to
do so far has been neat, but I'm still waiting
for that wow factor for me to realize, Okay, this

(01:28:51):
is definitely something that almost like the wow factor that
you impressed on me and Drew in the Tech podcast
this week was very much those glasses aren't something that
you can easily excuse that the metaay Band Wayfarers wherever
they are, do have some great applications even though that

(01:29:13):
they've got an abysmal battery life, And the same with
the robot is that it may also have an abysmal battery life,
but if it's able to help your grandma who doesn't
want to leave the home and live in a care home.
At least having some accessory there that can assist her
for some hours of the day is nice to have.

(01:29:33):
So again, yeah, there's a lot of agreement that I
have with you, Like, Yeah, Tesla pushing forward the ideas
and efforts and money towards this project is likely a
good that we should not dismiss. But should I should
they defer their focus that much to where they're losing

(01:29:56):
sight of the dominance that they could achieve with their vehicles,
either by privately owned or publicly owned options. Most likely not,
So I think this is something that should be spun
off like neuralink and become its own pretty much its

(01:30:19):
own industry that doesn't need to be under the Tesla brand.
But you can easily not purge. But yeah, you could
easily take a lot of those engineers and put them
in that company or on that project, so that way
they're not having to I guess support many things. They

(01:30:40):
can laser focus on this and dial in a whole
bunch of it and then collaborate with the Tesla team
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
M XAI.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
I'd say I'd even move the FSD team out.

Speaker 3 (01:30:57):
I'd say let Tesla license full self driving from x AI.
They already said they're gonna let FSD be open to
other automakers. So just let Tesla be the biggest customer
of the first Dibbs customer, and then Tesla can focus
on the batteries and the car stuff, and then x
a I can focus on robotics and self driving. That's
what I don't know. Maybe he won't get as big

(01:31:19):
a market cap that way. I'm not sure what the
reason the rationale is, but yeah, what do I know?

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Something about a truck that you don't want to spill
the secrets on. But that's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
I thought you were worried about it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Oh, no, difference is something I'm not worried at all.

Speaker 1 (01:31:40):
It's so cute.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Hello to the tellou.

Speaker 1 (01:31:47):
There jings, jeez.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
Anyways, any final thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:31:55):
As pushing each other like, uh, I sure hope that
this is in the same orientation as it appears on
my cream.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
It'll look just like my name is?

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
What? My name? What?

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Mike? What what are you doing down?

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Nick? Crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:32:23):
Crazy guy? Crazy? That actually worked pretty well? All right,
Welcome to Brady Bunch.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Congrats on your purchase.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Nick, I'm super jealous.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Thank you, and I need another update real soon from you.
It was way too long since we've had you on here.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Okay, I'll let you know when I buy my next TV.
All right, So, guys, I bought a Lucid Air for
nineteen five dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Imagine would drive over you and strangle you at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
We're not far off there.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
They're gonna get that chap here pretty soon.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
Thanks for watching on byee

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