Ep. 197 - Fully Unsupported Driving

Join Drew, Randy, and Mike as they discuss woes with Y's, Tesla FSD progress, and "We Robot" event predictions.

Randy's Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@RandyNexus

Published: 10-5-2024, Recorded: 10-4-2024

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcome back to the Televisive EV podcast. Ladies and gentlemen.
We're gonna be uh jumping around a bit today. I
apologize in advanced but hey, we do read the comments
Randy's back, so.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I mean to be fair. I apologize that my I
was star linking all last week for both podcasts, So.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
My goodness, my.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Worst time to have a contorted face.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
But you were shocked, you were shocked.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Now, I was shocked a whole the stuff that came
out of Nick's mouth and uh, the things he was
breaking on tech. I was shocked. Some thing's never changed,
may I say, even if he has? Uh, I forget,
I already forgot the name of his.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
Car, Red drift. No, it's a red shift, red shift, yeah,
because of the how that works.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I'm gonna tell you guys this right now on air,
just because and we're EV's or whatever, and Nick was here,
so it's applicable, Uh typical and sweeny fashion. I'm hanging
out with him tonight. He flies in tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
What Oh, I didn't know this. You should have told me.
I would have driven out.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
No, is that right?

Speaker 3 (01:45):
It's a quick little.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm looking at your charge brick, right, now I'm looking
at it right now.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Hm, I bet it's enjoying that house.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I wish I used it more.

Speaker 4 (01:57):
But anyway, with the price they got that car.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Here's the thing that he didn't tell y'all. He called
me and asked me how to negotiate hand of God.
So now they're talking credit, I'll call him right now.
If he wasn't working. I'm not shocked because that was

(02:24):
the price I told him to get it at. I
helped him negotiate that price. Dealerships are scummy. They're pieces
of everything bad. And unfortunately I've been on this earth
a little bit longer than most that I've encountered more dealership,
more than Jimmy Carter.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Happy birthday to Jimmy Carter, by the way, one hundred
years old.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
There's a few times that I wish you were still
on Twitter. And two days ago was one of those days.
Somebody tagged me and said, Randy, you know what to do.
But yeah, going back to the prissing lot. What I

(03:10):
was shocked is how I was shocked, Mike, but for
different reasons. I wasn't shocked at the he got it
for that price, because I was shocked how little educated
the salesperson and the whole dealership for them, because I
has to go through a chain sales rep, manager, finance.
Nobody knew what the heck they were talking about, and

(03:31):
we and I told Nick to use that to his
advantage because I said, look, it's because they came at
him in the negotiations. They said it's only had one owner.
And he said, yes, but that one owner had over
at least a thousand different butts in that seat driving
it at least a thousand different ways. So all the
mileage here is very hard for me to really gauge

(03:53):
how healthy this Model three really is. And we actually
use mileage. They're old school, their legacy people. They think
mileage counts for something. He's like, so with all this stuff,
like I'm taking a risk here because it's had all
these different people using this car for the last three years.
So with that, blah blah blah blah blah. And the
guy was like, okay, fine, we'll do it for this amount.
I was like, he was my test, he was my

(04:16):
guinea pig. After that worked, I was like, I'm about
to go buy a used Model three Fleet.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
So you have this combination of dealerships are terrible and
scummy but also stupid.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
I got the best deal in the world from a dealer.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
He's also he's also they're also stupid. Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I somehow be the best deal in the world from
a dealer and I don't even try that hard. But
it's only because the car was sitting there for about
three years on their lot and no one wanted it,
so like, I'll take it out of your hands for uh?
Was it?

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Like?

Speaker 4 (04:49):
I think I hackled like five thousand down on the
asking press and make sure take it.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Do you think in the future and then maybe even
the new or future with with mock e Mustangs and
more bolts and all these other legacy autos that have
EV's out there, do you think in the future dealerships
will be more trained and equipped to be able to

(05:16):
handle the cell's part of used EV's or do you
think it's still kind of in this weird I wouldn't
say hybrid, but right now I feel the most comfortable
buying a used EV from the manufacturer, even if that
means something a little bit more, or I would buy
from somebody more or less, not that I know, but

(05:38):
I'm able to vet that vehicle. I wouldn't just buy
from a random person who's selling their their their EV.
I would have some hesitations long on a reliability or
even authenticating of certain factors. But do you think when
it comes to most people who want to like go
into a car Max or whatever the case may be,

(06:00):
do you do you guys feel like we'll get to
the point where EV's will be just as knowledgeable to
that side of the industry that they can sell it
or do you think they're just going to be like, yeah,
we have an EV on the lob, we don't really
know what to do like they do with the four lightning,
and people will maybe end up paying at premium or
maybe not paid really good deals like Nick, you know,

(06:21):
do you what do you guys think how the used
industry when it comes to buying one is going to
look like within the next I don't know, three to
seven years, that's a good question.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I'm not I think with time they'll have some understanding,
but I don't think it'll be to the level of
course that we have in terms of especially in these
early days. Right it's still early days for evs. And
just like you said in coaching, Nick, you knew what
was happening or possibly happening to that model three and

(06:52):
using that to your advantage in the asking price for
the vehicle. And so with that that was I think
a special case, right because you had it as pretty
much a taxi with a whole bunch of butts in
the seats. But for trying to sell just any regular
EV it'll be interesting to see, I think my answers

(07:16):
I don't know, because it's they're very traditional. Dealers are
very traditional, and it's very much not a it's more
of a business environment and not necessarily one that you
can understand by maybe not passion or logic, but more

(07:37):
of like it's all about the name of the game
in terms of the asking price for the vehicle. And
so I think that could be adapted to EV's. It's
just in what way and how quick will that happen
For the modern take on EV's with legacyatto, I'm not
too sure.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I think they will catch up. I think it's just
a matter of time. Eventually, evs are just gonna be cars,
and the longer people have experience with them, the longer
people are driving them around, they'll figure out what their
pros and cons are. I wouldn't be shocked if a
decade from now you can find really really cheap evs
that have the CCS one port and that's why they're

(08:19):
so cheap.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Everyone's gonna be like, Okay, it has CCS, but I
found it for like seven grand.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
That's such a good deal.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Like they'll be the the bottom of the barrel, like
there's an adapter, but it works, you know kind of
mentality with them. You already see it if you watch
certain channels, like I know the Fort Collins Kia group
has been known for incredible electric vehicle least deals and
offering them to anybody in the country, even if you're
outside Colorado, they'll ship it to you and stuff. So

(08:50):
I think, at least right now, when EV's are still
kind of new, and I wouldn't I hesitate to say
unproven because they are proven, but it's more like un
aware for a lot of the public like how they
work and what their advantages are. There's way more people
doing lease steals now because the demand for buying them
outright has pulled back a lot since a couple of

(09:14):
years ago. So that's making a lot of people go, well, hey,
I don't know how long the battery's gonna last, but
it'll probably last three years. So I'll just do a
three year lease and then I can give it back
to the dealer, give it back to the manufacturer when
I'm done with it, and I'll save a bunch of
money on fuel in the meantime, and then maybe in
three years, if I really love the car, I could

(09:35):
buy it out at the end of the lease, or
I can commit to a newer one that has NAX
or whatever. So at least right now I can see why.
I remember when we visited you out in Colorado, we
saw Nissan Arias everywhere, and I've seen several people online
post about how the lease steals on the Nissan Aria
were like amazing, And it's probably because the Aria. Buying

(09:57):
it outright in cash is just not very reasonable. It's like,
it's not a great range, it's not a great charging curve.
It's a fine vehicle, but it's just kind of okay.
But what really started moving inventory, I think was like
people were getting them I think for like two hundred
dollars a month lease, and a lot of people were

(10:19):
paying more than that just in gasoline. So that's a
that's a pretty smoking good deal of like, yeah, this
thing will get me where I need to go as
a commuter around town and stuff for the next three years.
For two hundred a month, I'll take it that Like,
even if I lose that money, I don't have ownership
in the vehicle. It's so little money, and electricity, as

(10:40):
you guys know, is so cheap out there. So yeah,
it made a lot of sense I think to lease
right now for many people who are just like I
want to get to know eb's, but I don't want
to commit to one like with a big, big down
payment yet.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
But they're not ready to marry them.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, exactly, they're not ready to buy the room. But
I think I think it makes a lot of sense
right now, just because in a couple of years, I
think this whole charging infrastructure thing is going to be
a lot more streamlined. I think by what will be
twenty twenty seven, most evs, at least in America will
probably have NACS. There will be a lot more NACS

(11:19):
cables on chargers, and the charging networks will.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Be open and stuff.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
And I do think that's kind of one of the
biggest hurdles with EV adoption is everybody figuring out exactly
how this whole charging infrastructure works. I think the car
stuff is relatively simple. I mean, it's an EV you
just you go. There's less maintenance. It's simple. It's pretty intuitive.
It's the will I be stranded if I go X

(11:44):
many miles? That's I think, what's the bigger hold up
with most people. But dealers will get better at understanding
how to service them, how to sell them. There's already
companies that are kind of specializing in extended warranty programs,
which I'm sure dealers could get into, because as we've experienced,
there's still service.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
That needs to be done on EV's. It's not zero service.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I have to tell you guys the story. It's been
so long since I've done an EV podcast with you guys.
It's very bad. It's it's actually it's got resolved. And
then part two kind of happened this morning when I
want to go to drop my son off. So after
you guys have left, there is a my model why

(12:35):
screen stopped working completely?

Speaker 3 (12:39):
And oh that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
It happened over and over and over again, and we
had to take it to a service centers, like can
you guys come out here. I don't feel safe driving
in on the road. They're like, so we had to
go out there. They fixed it. Then it happened again
this morning, but this time I was able to reset
on the two balls. It was so bad there is

(13:02):
no hard reset. I could not do it, and there
was no forum link topic.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Discussion with the screen like it's showing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Frozen, showing the same thing up until then. It just
also went completely black. And no matter what I did,
whenever I went to hold down to the two ball
wheels and then with or without the break on, it
would go error came up and then it just wouldn't
restart it. There was nothing I could do. It was
broken the model I did that. It been like that

(13:34):
for two weeks, man, because that's how long it took
to get in to get it, to get people to
look at it. They fixed it this week Monday, and
it happened again this morning, and I was like, They're like,
there's a firmware update. We fixed it. But they did
all these things and nothing fixed it. So anyway, issues

(13:57):
that made me go like.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
That.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
I did not like what I was filling this these
past two weeks with with the model. Why. I was like,
I got I gotta. Model three has never given me
these issues. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta ditch this thing.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Mottele three represent I gotta go. Ye, all right, I'll
be back. Good luck.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Drew is leaving so he can. He's a busy man.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
And he's got a business meeting because he's big businessman.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
Now he's a big business man. Which is that happen?

Speaker 4 (14:35):
So there's still no fix yet.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Besides, no, it's fixed, but it happened again this morning.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
Yeah, so it's not fixed.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
And it resolved itself with with resetting the screen.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Okay, I guess the next question is if it keeps happening,
then it needs to be serviced. But I would say
with the that's something that I had to do for
a while as a band aid fix, because I think
I mentioned on a previous pot cast with mine, the
century mode recorder would show that there's nothing connected even

(15:06):
though I'm driving and I can see that there's a
USB plugged in, I haven't touched anything, and I have
to hard reset it with the two scroll wheels, and
it would then after the screen went black for about
thirty seconds or ever, and it came back on it
was fine. So there is some weird software issue. Yours
is on a different chip than mine. I believe yours

(15:27):
is on hardware No? Is it on three or four?

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I believe it's three? Okay, what can I see that
in the app?

Speaker 4 (15:36):
I don't know where to look for that.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Honestly, I think it's three, but it might be. I
mean it's a little over a year old now. I
picked it up March thirty one or April one, I
don't remember of last year. So whatever that is, if
you can stack.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
Hardware three was from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Yes, well when but when? Oh man, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Twenty three and twenty twenty four was hardware four.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh so all of twenty twenty three was hardware three.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
I think so that that's what AI overview Google says.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
No, I don't trust that, Yeah, right, don't trust what AI.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Maybe it's Google is telling you. Yeah, I got no clue,
but that as a bummer, I totally understand and get
the problem because I had something similar. Though. What's nice
at least with your car is you have the technically
the gear selection or the director whatever, if you want
to go Parker versus neutral drive on the base of

(16:42):
your phone charger location on the y. So you've got
that going for you. I think, I forget if that's
in mine as well, but not in that location. It
might be in another location, but at least you have that,
so it doesn't feel like you're just stuck. Though, to
be fair, mentioning that was it when Drew and I
were visiting. You never really use the maps, so the

(17:05):
only thing that the screen was used for was maybe
music and.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
I would use maps when we went to uh like, well, okay,
hang on. In a bigger context of it, I don't
use I don't use the maps when I'm just going
to my daily moving around stuff because I know how
to get there. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Pole telling you how to get there because you know
how to get there.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Yes, I feel like we had this conversation, right, we
did have this conversation. We had this conversation. I was like,
wait a minute. In Castle Rock, I remember we were
talking about this in Castle Rock. I don't like I
don't like being told. It's not that I don't like it.
I just I've tested something, and time and time again,
my tests come back what I was well. My preconceived

(17:56):
notion was with it, which is that I know better
routing than the GPS does, especially especially on a Google
Maps like not because I'm an Apple fanboy or nothing
like that. I genuinely do not like Google Maps. I
hate it. I don't like the UI. Not talking about

(18:17):
the UI. The UI is fine, all the UIs are great.
I mean it's actual routing is literal number two diapers crap.
It sucks so bad. I hate it, and I hate
using it on my tesla. So when I don't have to,
I won't. I'll give you just a few examples. One

(18:40):
when I did route and you guys were with with,
like when we went to Rudy's or Guardian of the
Gods or whatever. I knew those routes. I understood what
the routes I was looking at. But there was other
routes I could have taken that would have gotten me
there quicker. There are times, so many times where I'll
be writing separate cars, Bobby riding with my brother and

(19:02):
he has Apple Maps, and he has a whole different route,
and he and he'll pivot, he'll take that route and
not we won't write together, and he either gets there
around the same time, maybe even sooner. But the fact
that we don't even get those options on the navigating
screens of like, oh hey, here are your different options.

(19:22):
I don't like. I don't like using the built in routing.
I will use it for longer trips, if we're going,
you know, to the airport, or we're going out into
the mountains or what like, something just just kind of genuine,
like generally guide me or give me a general ETA.

(19:42):
I don't mind it then, but I don't rely on it.
So every time I'm using the routing, and the routing
I know is wrong and I'll take a different route.
The moment I reroute myself, my ETA drops by a
couple minutes. It happened when I I went to I

(20:03):
wanted the other side of towns for something. I don't
remember what it was, but I went on the other
side of town and it said it's gonna be like
twenty three minutes. I'm like, I can get there quicker.
I know there's a way I can. I've been here
long enough I now know, like, I know I can
get there quicker. I took a different route. It went
from twenty three to like eighteen, so it shaved off
five minutes.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Randy took that GTA shortcut through someone's yard.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
I had to wait until my stars school down, so
I don't I don't like the navigating systems. I do
use it as an entertainment center. I would be open
minded to using I don't even like the UI for
the moving vehicles. If I'm being honest with you, it's
kind of distracting, but like.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
I tolerate, It's all fine.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
It's just I would love to see Tesla offer different
navigating options. If not, I'm not even saying use Apples
maps services. I'm saying even on Google Maps, the stock
app gives you different routing options. I want that. I
want options. Give me options because I know I know

(21:11):
my roots better than Google does, and because I don't
have premium connectivity on A On my Model three, I
don't see the traffic even though I know where's traffic.
But what I what it never accounts for is when
there's roadwork happening or there's traffic, but it doesn't it
just will still rop me there, and so then it
has me sitting like dead stop traffic for no reason

(21:35):
because I took a route that has roadwork happening, that
it should know there's roadwork happening, and I could have
taken a different road avoiding that. I don't like it.

Speaker 6 (21:46):
I just I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
I don't like using the navigation. So whenever I can
avoid it. Going back to your initial statement, yes, I
will disregard it because I trust I trust me. I
trust my intuition in reading the road better than I
trust the computer just giving me this one. Here's your
only option. So actually, if I'm being honest with you too,

(22:08):
when my screen went black with a Model Y for
about almost a week when we were driving it, very
little did we drive it, but we did. Brittany would
have up the waves app and so at least that
one gave life general It's not perfect, but it gave
a live enough speedometer so we could use that to

(22:29):
just see how fast we were going. Sure and using
Ways and or Apple Maps for different routings, I was like, Man,
I miss this. I want this on a big screen.
Just I want Ways. I really like Ways a lot.
I would rather use Ways, I would use Apple Maps,
I would use any other option. I would use a
better Google Maps if it gave me different routes. I
just don't like what Texton's doing with it's two. I

(22:53):
don't know. It feels like it's five years behind now.
I feel like it was appropriate for twenty nineteen. I
feel like in twenty twenty four we should have had
better map integrations by now for GPS in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Sure, though that would cost money for them to license
it with other companies as well, So I do only
expect prices for premium connectivity and or other services to
like lease Skyrocket a bit more to account for that
deal that they'd make with other companies.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
No, I'm saying, just update Google Maps to give you
a more vibrant routing experience.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Okay, So work with Google then to provide a quality
product then inside.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Your the one that we have right now, the stock
navigation is getting worse and worse for me. I just
don't I'm not enjoying it. It's not working right in
a sense of like the routing. I feel like in
twenty twenty four. You know, people complain about on consumer
tech with iPhones or like a sixty displaying twenty twenty

(23:54):
four is a deal brit They always say that that's
I don't care about that, But that's exactly how I
about GPS routing systems in twenty twenty four. A GPS
in twenty twenty four should give you multiple options. That way,
you know what you're working with.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
You want the Android of Tesla's in terms of well,
I know what.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
They're not going to do iOS, so yeah, I'll take
I'll just I'll take a more stock Android experience with
with Google this like this, this proprietary UI thing. Even
if they do that, however they work out that on
the back end, do what you gotta do.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
But this opens the paths to many questions that I have.
But to somewhat conclude part of this is my experience
has been usually in the morning, I just let it
wrap me to work. And then even with the was
it the new FSD update, it's pretty much driving me
to work, which is great, very little intervention with like

(24:49):
changing lanes and all that. I think that's the most
I have to do is you know, get in the
far right lane because you're gonna have to turn, don't
wait into the last second, or changing the speed because
of whoever hooligan's on the road at the time, whether
they're going sol or fast. But otherwise it pretty much
drives me and I kind of like it's nonsensical choices
in the morning because I don't have to think, and

(25:10):
there's not too many people on the road, so I
don't have to worry about inconvencing other drivers and or
putting my car and myself at risk because road's pretty
much wide open. So I usually let it do all
the navigating and driving for me in the morning and
the evening. Though I totally agree with you, because I
ignore it entirely, and actually I use as a gauge

(25:33):
for seeing, Oh, your ETA to get home is at
like six thirty or something like that, and then as
I take the GTA unequivocal route that the map isn't
even picking up on, which is more like city streets
or whatever, which is even better for the car because
uvs do a lot better and stop and go city

(25:53):
traffic or at least like non highway driving.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
That which is weird right because people think that like, oh,
you want to have a consistent speed with because in
gas that that helps you not rev and so you're
not burning as much. But with evs it has nothing
to do with that. It's literally speed only speed. If
you go in city routes, you're not depleting your battery
as quickly. Sorry, I just want to know.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
It's arrow and region and a lot of other factors
as well. But yeah, yeah, and so taking that route,
I see it go from six point thirty to six
twenty nine, six twenty eight. It's a fun game that
I play only because I don't want to go on
the highway and sit and stop and go parking lot
level traffic where.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
I can't imagine the type of traffic you're dealing with too.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Geez, it's Bay Area, so it's everywhere. I've got a
buddy who commutes I think about an hour two. It's
an hour drive from his house to work, but because
of traffic, it pretty much increases it by fifty percent
and sometimes might even double it depending on the traffic situation. Yeah,

(26:59):
so can be like that, But unfortunately he's in a
location where you can't really take city streets to get
around it. But in my case, I can. There's a
lot of different threads I can use to get home,
and the one that I usually take allows me to
see a lot more things and enjoy the ride a
lot more and also gamify the route home.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
And so.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, it's not really a huge sticking point for me.
But and then to close out the rest of this
conversation unless you want to comment on that. With these
service visits, have you thought about fixing the interior camera
that's looking at you so that wayq's FSD or is
that not on the docket at all?

Speaker 2 (27:44):
You little mind reader? You? I was actually just thinking
about that. I I think they're still going to fix
it for free, because there's a ticket that's been out
there for a long time, and they told me that
it was gonna be free. I it's it's weird because

(28:07):
now sorry, my throat is itchy. I need a cough.
I'm sorry about that. Now. I wouldn't use FSD and
I haven't and I don't and I won't continue to not.
I will continue to not use FSD in its current

(28:29):
state with with my son in the car for obvious reasons,
I just don't. I don't like that. But now he's
he's starting he's going to school, uh three days out
of the week, which means those three days I have
a lot more freedom to navigate within my car. And

(28:50):
it made me think that am I I've had I
find myself when I'm driving by myself. Now I'm like,
do I want to tryst now? Now that I'll feel
like I don't get the parent hat on, it's me
being just a tack enthusiasts again with software, I'm like,
do I want to try this again? And I've never
been shut off to I just like the stuff that

(29:10):
happened with Drew's my own experience. Plus the cabin cam
just not working, Like I just was like, whatever, I
don't I don't care. I don't care because sure, I
can't really use it anyway because with I got my
kid in the car most of the time. Now that's
kind of shifting a little, but I don't have them
in the car most of the time.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Throughout the week, I have been enjoying the newest version
of FSD, where it's hands off pretty much, but in
the case that it can't see your eyes?

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Are you on fifteen fourteen?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I forget the version of it now and my phone's
acting as a camera right now, But I'm on the
newest version as far as I can tell. Uh, Nick too, which, yeah,
that's the one that has actual smart summon in it.
And Nick noted it in last week's podcast near the
end that he got the update and he was doing
it at that moment. I got it layer that night,
or at least I didn't.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
He got because I remember asking this because my FSDs
twelve dot five and he was twelve six or twelve
I think he's twelve six a version, and I was like, wait,
how is because he's like because I have Hardwar four.
I was like, oh, and but he didn't get the

(30:26):
the the actual smart son ass if you will, which
is weird though really quickly hang out before I even
talk more about that. Don't we have access to the
smart summon from with our beta's FSD all this all
these years? Don't we didn't we have.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
We've had smart Summon? Yeah? The what ended up if
you recall this whole narrative, Eventually smart someone came and
you had the option to either hold your finger on
the button or just press the button and let go.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
And then the newer Teesla's are coming out without the radar,
I believe, right, and pretty much killed smart Summon for
them because our cars were using it. And then I
think at some point, so again I didn't follow the
narrative too much, drew to have better answers for this.

(31:18):
But and of course audience. You can correct us in
the comments, but if I recall correctly, mine still works,
or it's kept on working, or it went away and
then came back after a bit. But this most recent
one brings that feature back, or brings it to those

(31:39):
that have just that they don't have the radar, they
just have ultrasonics and cameras and it behaves somewhat. I
haven't tried it yet, but from what I've heard, it
behaves somewhat close to what did before. But yeah, I
believe that's that's the lick of it. But we've had

(31:59):
it and then it got taken away from us, I
believe for a brief period, or it just didn't work,
but then it came back. That's our viewpoint of it. Man, Uh,
smart Someone's great. It's just I never really trust it.
And now it forces you to hold your butt or
your butt holds for that forces you to hold your

(32:21):
finger on the button for smart someon to work, and
which I think is a great choice because when smart
Smmon first came out, people were crashing their cars or
the cars was crashing themselves into other people's vehicles or
trees or anything like that. And then people were getting angry.
It's like, well it says the byeline pay attention.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, but then it kills.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
The idea of like the car can drive itself.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
To it exempts them from legal liability only. And that's
all that meant. I've never not had mine program to write.
I've always wanted to hold it. I don't trust it.
Not only that it's not it's an it's not exactly
it's not even the dead Man switch. It's not even

(33:10):
that I don't want it to crash into other cars.
If I'm being honest, I'm more selfish than that. It's
that I don't want my car to get scratched. Yes,
I'm being completely like, I don't care about anybody else's car.
That's the god's honest truth. It was my car that
I cared about scratching, so I held onto it, and
I always had line of sight, direct line of sight

(33:31):
on my car when I was doing it, because I
didn't trust anything else. So I've never not had it
where I had to hold it because that made me
feel safe. And if something happened or like oh crap,
and I can go really quickly, then it's not It
was always responsible that way. So I'm very indifferent about

(33:51):
smart Summon. I like smart Summon, I do, but I'm
in different about using it period because I noticed what
you were just kind of explaining, like, over the last
couple year, it just got really bad, it got really worse,
and so I was like, Eh, all right, whatever, if
they're killing off my if they're turning off the radar
light or whatever to turn off all these dars, then
I'm like, man, what's the point. So back to your

(34:13):
original question about fixing my cabin cam. Mhm, I feel
more incentivized. But here, here's here's my here's where I'm
stuck at my fork in the road. I'm just gonna
I'm gonna be very I'm gonna be very uh upfront
about this. If I'm not working a job that involves

(34:34):
me being at a physical location, a site location, and
I'm just here, I don't really see myself using it
or need it because like what I this is a
rhetorical question because only I know then, But why would
I need to use FSD if I'm just home all

(34:55):
the time? What what routes you've been to? My house?
Now targets right here, class goes right here, My Kroger's
equivalent is right here.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
System is pretty close.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's right here. The thing that I would actually have
to do a longer commute is if I wanted to
go to the Apple Store. And that's that's a luxury thing.
That's not a real thing, the stuff that I need
from my genuine day to day. And I did this
by design. I bought this house and everything by design
because I've wanted close proximity for the convenience factor of

(35:29):
having a new baby. You know, I can't afford to
be gone for on the road for fifteen minutes or
something like that. So everything is really close by. So
minus the let's go on hikes, trails, let's go to
a nice barbecue spot, let's go do you know, minus
all that stuff, I don't see myself driving that far.
And that was intentional. So if I'm not working at

(35:52):
a job that requires me to be their physical and
physical location, why do I need to use FSD now?
And I asked that's stuff. I asked that question to
me because when I bought FSD back in twenty nineteen.
Twenty nineteen was a different time. You know, as I've
told before, I was I was working, I was working,
I was a contractor, I did all these things, traveling.

(36:14):
It was life pree. COVID was a whole different Randy,
and everything that happened after twenty twenty just kind of
I changed. I've had many times I've been on the
record saying this that I kind of regret buying a
test slat together because my whole life changed after COVID,
And it's just I've adapted and adjusted to it. But

(36:34):
I don't know why I need it now. Doesn't mean
I don't want it. I'm not taking wants aside. I'd
be cool enough. But if I'm going to take the
time and invest the time to do all that stuff,
is it worth it now? And I don't not worth
it in the sense that software is good. Is it
worth my time? Is it worth me even pursuing anymore?
I don't know. I really don't know. I'm not burnt

(36:57):
out on my car just yet. There are quirks I
don't like about it, like GPS, for example, but I'm
not at the point where I'm ready to get rid
of it. I'm sure not there, so.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
I feel like that might get And this is where
I kind of want to stare it as well. Is
that there's not necessarily a bit of hypocrisy in that
statement from you. But I do identify that this is
a sticking point for you, that you don't have options
for different maps.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, but your.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Next vehicle that you can foresee getting is a company
that doesn't want to do anything else besides offer their
own version of maps as well. Right, being rivian, I
don't think I forget who it's either Google or another
company that they partner with. It's not Apple, I believe.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I'm pretty sure it's Google.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Yeah, and so it'd be the same problem where.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, No, to be honest with you, maybe that's why
I haven't pulled the trigger on trying to get an
R and T just just yet. Maybe there are many factors, dude,
I think about like it rid It depends what time
of the day you want to ask me. Remember we
played the game What what what Tesla's Drew gonna get
this time? You know what's he feeling this week? Does
he want a three year o? Y? We used to

(38:05):
play that game. Now I feel like, do I just
want to get a car that has a good control
center equivalent you know what I call control center? But
a good infotainment center A good, A good, you know,
I care more. I care more about the interior the cabin.

(38:28):
I care more about the driver's experience than I do
about the specs of the vehicle. If I'm completely upfront
about that, I don't care what the car looks like.
I don't care how the car really performs, because all
vehicles are better than being on feet, So I don't
really care. I care about the comfortability of the driver

(38:51):
if you're if you are the operator of the vehicle,
I care more about, you know, having the pilot experience.
I'm sitting there driving and on this comfortable and undistracted
as possible. So there are things about Rivian even I'm like, well,
that's going to be annoying, and I can see past

(39:13):
the funny enough.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Rivian doesn't use Google. They don't they use map Box,
which is a company that I've not heard of but
offers an experience.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Is that the really UI of a Rivian's GPS.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Possibly, So, I haven't been at Rivian a while. I've
been meaning to. With their new incentive where they can
offer test drives at not just showrooms but also service centers,
I've been meaning too, It's just i've been busy. But
the way that they're advertising it on the map box website,

(39:49):
it looks very impressive with both the UI on the
vehicle and also the visuals of like a semi three
D was an isomorphic map and well, and you can
either they show it in different forms on the Rivian
and then they show it like on an iPad. I
believe it's they have below like trusted by industry leaders

(40:11):
and they list GM BMW, uh, Toyota and all that.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Wait, go down, go down. I like how you bypass CNN.
Nobody trust the CNN.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I'm not mentioned there. I'm focusing on car companies.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I'm curious why t mobiles on there?

Speaker 6 (40:28):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
There's USB, Yeah, I used the Weather Channel. No I don't.
I mean I used the Weather Channel because that's what
the weather app uses. But why tea mobile?

Speaker 4 (40:42):
I don't know, but I'm not too sure.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
So what's this company called map box?

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Map Box and that's who pretty much gives Rivian their
navigation uh where I guess they also put in Toyotas
as well, So if you're familiar with Toyota's.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
My favorite car was a Toyota. It was a Scion.
We talked about the same thing. I loved my Soon
that was my favorite car.

Speaker 4 (41:07):
I loved car ricing options as well. You can also
get started for free, so I guess there's a free
version and then there's uh different tiers for options and
all that for buying.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Map box is strictly enterprise because it says for business.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Yeah, and which I think is maybe a lot better because.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Mh, the the UI was that not car play at
the very beginning? Hang on, I'll call it right, keep going,
it's past that right, go back and back back right,
keep almost there?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Oh wait, that it looks close to it?

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Is that not car play?

Speaker 4 (41:52):
It might be something that rivals it in which that
looks sick. They've got like the Tesla yolk right here,
so of course this is fake. But like they got
the Tessel yolk and they have a edge to edge
I guess width of car screen that has a whole
bunch of it, just.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Like a gradient of how you can see the city,
and then it transitions to the next thing and it
has that gradient blur that's happening.

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Also integration.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Look, wait, GPS showed it. It showed different routes right there.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Charging station nearby, so it's saying, hey, if you need
to charge, there's a blink charger right here that you
could turn in about six hundred and fifty feet.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
If they offer different routes, you have my attention. And
if that's a really and then then shoot R one,
t R R three, R two, who knows? Wow? Wow?

Speaker 4 (42:53):
Offering different options is definitely it is a.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Sticking point for me. I I don't you know me
better than most I I My my personality type is
that of that like I, I don't depend on tech
like that. I can appreciate tech. I don't depend on
tech like that. I try not to. It's it's it's
a it's a it's an active exercise to always try

(43:18):
to wan yourself from tech, the same way you would
want to wan yourself from uh social media for example.

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Sure, what the hell?

Speaker 4 (43:31):
And somehow Drew came back. But like I was saying,
it's great that matt box is a thing. But as
far as I can tell from some of the additional
reading that I did during our small little pause right there,
is that matt box is used for navigating and all that.
But they do have a Google api for looking for
certain destinations. And then the Google API then routes that

(43:56):
I guess navigational location, I guess whatever that's called coordinates
to matt box, and then matt Box then navigates. But
from a bunch of the stuff that I've looked at,
people don't really like matt Box in terms of a
navigational offering. So I think it's run into the same

(44:17):
issue that I think we were talking about before, Randy,
where using Google Maps can be a headache. But if
there's a worse option out there, and it might be
matt Box, you could put yourself into a situation where
you're just going to be using ways on your phone anyways,
because now you've got something that is even more worse.

(44:41):
Just yeah, terrible, not terrible, but not as accurate as
a navigational software that you need for getting around town.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Yeah. Well, AnyWho, enough with the whole what's not Drew?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, I know if you've seen this, what something? It's weird.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I just I just step out for a brief forty
five minutes and I have no clue what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
This looks like a car from the topic.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
It's trying to be car play. This is not That's
what I said.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
I was like is this not car play?

Speaker 4 (45:19):
It's got some decent integration in it.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
Can you summarize it in ten seconds? What is it?

Speaker 2 (45:27):
This is a different routing, this is a different GPS system.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
That it's not a hardware.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
No, this is an API that Google, I mean that
Rivian is using for their They don't use Google, however,
we just asked. Michael was explaining, these guys use Google.

Speaker 6 (45:49):
All roads lead back to Google.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
Well, they use Google for if you're trying to find
a location on Earth that you want to Okay, all right,
and then it routes that position to matt Box, which
then navigates you in which in these nice visuals it
does look like CarPlay and all that. But the reality
of it pretty much is what we see in Ribeans

(46:12):
and what we've seen also in Toyota's.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Hang on Mike, I realized what Drew is actually without
him asking I nobody's asking what we were talking. The
context of this is that my biggest gripe I have
with Tesla in because Mike may note it, he noted
that I wasn't using my GPS a lot, and I
told him, yes, you're right, I don't. And part of
is that I'm old school. I don't. I try not

(46:39):
to use it because I know that GPS isn't always
reliable with the accurate routing and I've had around here.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
It sucks. It's terrible, dude, around here.

Speaker 6 (46:50):
It sucks.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
That's why, if I know where I'm going, I will
not plug in the destination. You know, my wife's likes
plugging it into but we still ignore it because we
know it's routing us on a road.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
It's terrible.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
To that point, the one thing I wish Tesla would
implement is a multi route option. I'm not even saying
don't use Google Maps. I'm saying, give me the option
the way Google Maps would give you the options to, like,
do you want this route that round?

Speaker 6 (47:17):
Because it will take me a route that I now
know that you what.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Does it not does?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
When you guys type in a destination, I get multiple
options on that.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Guess two.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I get one, and I know there's more than one option.
And the example I was saying is that it'll say
twenty three minutes to get somewhere.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
And I know that's not the the best route.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I'll take a different route, like I said, root and
route interchangeably like that. I don't like it Oh no, wow,
Oh is it Friday already?

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Wow. I would go and take a different navigating path
and it went from twenty three minute to eighteen minutes,
and so I'm like, I shave off five minutes from
a renew and so I was like, I don't like it.
And then Mike was like, hey, well you might have
the same issue with Rivian, and so he started. We
started doing this deep dive on this and that's how

(48:12):
we come.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Oh, he's right. I agree with Mike.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I think that that's honestly, My two biggest complaints with
Tesla and Rivian is that they think they need to
do everything themselves. They want complete control over the software.
They need to rebuild everything from the ground up. That's
already been built and it's in our phones and we're
paying a monthly rate to have that data and to

(48:36):
have that navigation in our phones. But then you get
into this car and it's like, no, no, no, I need
to build all that all over again. We need to
hire our own software team, we need to hire our
own navigation services. And then in order to give you
live traffic data and stop light stop sign recognition in
music streaming, we want you to pay us all over again.

(48:58):
You're going to pay us a monthly fee after you're
already paying a monthly fee for the phone. And I'm like,
the monthly fee for the car is optional. For the phone,
it's not really optional. Everybody's going to have a phone bill.
I don't think that's going to disappear. If anything, it's
just going to get worse. But especially with a company
like Rivian, they're charging fifteen bucks a month for connect
plus that's the access features that my phone will already do.

(49:22):
And you know a lot of people on a service
like mint Mobile, they're paying fifteen bucks a month for
their phone service. So if I switch to a Rivian
and when I access all those things, it's doubling my
phone bill. Just for the car to have its own navigation,
which I think is dumb. I think it's a data
collecting thing. They're like, we need to know how people
are using we need control over everything. So that's why

(49:44):
I've been pushing for car Play and Android Auto, both
for Aptera Antello just like this is I think the
phones are much much easier to upgrade over time. Like sure,
as seven G eight gene becomes available, it's going to
be much much easier to just buy a new phone
and just have a car that supports casting all of

(50:08):
that data from your phone to the car, and that
way you don't have to buy a whole new car
or have to buy upgrades for the modems in the
car and service THEMS.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
That's why you're ready.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
And it's what we're going to keep with us from
car to car. So it makes total sense just to
be able to pretty much plug and play wherever you go.
It said, the EV version of your dream drew of
being able to just plugging your phone into a monitor
and there you go. You got dex for pretty much
in your pocket for using your monitor anything else. But

(50:40):
in this case, it's with your phone. You plug it
into your car and there you go. It all routes
from the phone into the car. The car is more
of a shell for what the interface that your phone
will provide.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
And the EV route planning can be done with car play.
That's a very common misconception. Whenever I talk about this,
I see in the comments people are like, well, the
car has to do the navigation because it has to
plan for EV charging or battery preconditioning. I'm like, look
it up, it's on the Machi. It's called EV routing
in Apple Maps like it's already it's it's not some

(51:14):
kind of special, secret proprietary software stack. That's like if
battery low, find charger.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
You know, it's not something like only Tesla had this
amazing neural net large language model algorithm to detect stop
for a charger if battery low.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Like it's it's not a complicated. You can do it
with a better route planner as well.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Well.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Even map Box was showing it as well. Yeah, where
they go, Hey, your batteries low, detour in about four
hundred feet and use that blank charger.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
So and again.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
All the more reason to have a manual battery preconditioning
button makes it a lot easier on the navigation software.
If I could just tap a button that says preconditioned,
which Tesla is so stubborn about. I can't believe that
almost everybody else has that button.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Except it's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
Having more control.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Boo, I still don't.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Yeah, I don't know what that would take away That
would give the customer more control, wouldn't it.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Yeah, that was me saying Tesla wants more control. They
don't want to give the customer control, But what does
it like?

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Okay, the scenario that comes up in my mind a
lot is like, we drive to like a friend's house
that's kind of far away and never heard of, and
we know, let's say after we leave our friend's house
the next day or the you know, after dinner whatever,
there's a supercharger nearby. So right after dinner or right

(52:47):
after we hang out with our friends, we're going to
go straight to the supercharger, which is only five minutes away.
So if I could precondition the battery, because I'm like, okay,
we're going to be heading out soon, preconditioned for fast
charging from my phone, and then it means I spend
less time at the busy supercharger. It frees up more

(53:07):
time for Tesla. That means there's more cars they charged,
more vehicles that they get.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
To collect money from. Wouldn't that benefit them?

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Because it means then you probably press the preconditioned charger
button wrong and now it needs to go on for
a service visit, which then there guys have to deal
with it.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I thought they would like that.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
And then, as me and Randy have experience is going
to service centers recently, it just becomes a giant debacle
where sometimes things get fixed at the times things don't,
they have to try to get you a loaner. There's
no loaners be customers. You still have no that I
had that for less than twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
I've always noticed they never want you to have a
loaner for very long, which is a shame because that's
always when I'm okay with them taking their time.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
It's like, out there it smelled like cap piece.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
They rush it.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I just like knowing it's not like car cat. I'm
putting miles on it.

Speaker 4 (54:03):
Yeah, so in the I think in the group chat
and maybe I'll dig up the photo later, but pretty
much there's cat pause all over the top of the
Model three. It was dusty and there's cat paws all over,
and I'm like, oh, that's strange, but whatever. And then
you get into the car and after about twenty minutes
you smell the cat pee and you think I made
a mistake choosing the Model three. I should have just
chosen other model eyes, But oh wow, that's me trying

(54:24):
to branch out and try new things.

Speaker 6 (54:26):
They didn't give Brittany an option. All they had was
a Model three, so they gave her.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
They rarely give you options. In my experience, it's.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
Pretty reserve, because Brittany asked about it when she returned it.

Speaker 6 (54:38):
They reserve the higher end ones for people.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Who who are higher end cars.

Speaker 6 (54:47):
No, actually it's a first come, first serve.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
But also they will give the higher end more the
like the Model x's or even a cyber truck. She
said she saw cyber trucks. That they will give the
bigger ones to families who have a higher turnaround, like, hey,
I need to go now.

Speaker 6 (55:04):
They got big family, this, that and the other.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Whereas family not Yeah, sure.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
But when when they anyway, when when.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
You have the option, it's it's it's for them at
least the service center years, big families, and then people
in uniform military people who need to go back to work,
they'll give it to them first because they're like, oh,
you got to go, you gotta go back to base.
And then every allus plebeians get the leftovers, which is.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Just all you got to do is risk your life
for this country and everything gets so much easier.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
We used to be a proper country.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Yeah, So anyway, I think that that's what they should
do with all these inventory models. They should just have
tons of lover vehicles so that when they crank out
a bunch of Teslas with service issues, then just give
me a loaner. You can take as long as you want.
If I a loaner, I'm fine with that. I'm putting
miles on some other car that wasn't gonna sell anyway

(56:06):
because everyone's waiting for the refresh. It's like, just flood
the service centers with loaner cars and then I'll drive
that thing for a month while you get to mine.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Yeah, there's a lot of cars sitting around on lots
waiting for owners. Might as well use him.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Did you see the inventory discounts.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I have not. All I know is Nick's crazy discount.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Oh yeah, well that's that's hard to beat. But different
modelized and inventory.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
If you guys were so salty, especially you Drew, I saw,
I saw the salt palpable on your tongue.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
As the story unfolded with.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
I think it's totally valid that man waited so long
to buy a car and then finally got it, and
he just bought it the worst time possible for pricing,
and then a year later, somehow Nick gets this amazing
deal on pretty much.

Speaker 6 (56:59):
Somehow he returned earned.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
A year or two later model and got like an
amazing price on it. Like it was just wrong place,
wrong time. I think all three of us have been
there third car buying.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Well, if it means that every year before this year
was the wrong time, I guess yes.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
No, because because the one time I think we all
agreed unanimously was the right time to get a model
Y was when they first had the standard range model
HY back in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. End of
twenty twenty they had the saturation.

Speaker 6 (57:33):
Then they dis continue it.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
That that battery would have degraded pretty badly though.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
It Ever, we're not holding on with anythings longer than
five years.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
Nobody's an NMC with two hundred and forty four miles
of range, so you can't charge it to.

Speaker 6 (57:48):
Full and at least it's not LFP.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Oh, I'm so glad I got LFP, because how.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Do you feel about that, drew the fact that your
trim has now been discontinued.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
I'm understanding because the federal government, at least in the
US made it a terrible deal. There was no reason
to keep making it with the way the tax credit
and import tariffs were structured. Basically, they had upped the
import tariffs recently for batteries built in China, which is

(58:21):
where the RFP battery came from, excuse me.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
And the.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Seventy five dollars point of sale credit only applied to
the Nickelbay cells. So essentially our government has structured it
in a way to where LFP is actually more expensive
than the long range battery pack, which, if you're just
looking from a material standpoint, that makes no sense. It
doesn't make sense at all. But legally, yeah, I'm guessing

(58:52):
nobody was buying it. I'm not surprised at all that
they got rid of it because it was like, well, yeah,
with the tax credit structure of the way it is,
there's no reason to offering it.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I mean that the.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Advantages of LFP go away if you have three hundred
and sixty something miles of range. And by the way,
they did a real world range test with the dual
motor Long Range Refresh Model three.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
It exceeded the EPA estimate the oh finally for once.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, though the EPA standard is definitely more strict than
it used to be, and Tesla is also actively trying
to increase range. So the latest seventy mile per hour
highway range test they did, it got three hundred and
seventy miles on the dual motor, So the single motor
is only going to go further than that. How much

(59:41):
further we don't know, but keep in mind the the
EPA estimate for the dual motor was three forty and
it got three seventy at highway speed. So there's a
decent chance the single motor long range Model three the
cheapest Tesla you can buy basically, which in my opinion,
is the best one that one might do like three

(01:00:01):
eighty or three ninety or something. We'll see, but I
haven't seen someone do a true seventy mile per hour
range test yet.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
I'll be watching, I'll be looking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It's incredible, the best best deal in auto right now.
Like if you're in the market, like you need a
car today, it's very hard to beat that deal, in
my opinion. Make sure you use someone's referral code, doesn't
have to be mine, use anybody's. You get a thousand
bucks off, you get the federal tax credit. It's a

(01:00:34):
thirty four thousand dollars vehicle with ventilated seats, great suspension,
still very fast zero to sixties under five seconds, and
almost the same range as a gas car. Like, honestly,
really really hard deal to beat. It's incredible value. I'm tempted.
I'm very tempted.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Do it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:56):
You are your own one, Drew.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
But we need to. Hey, I got a lot for work.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
Just buy Randy's Model Y that's broken.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
It's not broken, it's just pissing me off.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
I hate.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
Yeah, I keep reminding myself. I was actually just watching a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Video before the call started about how bad the paint
quality is on the latest model Threes.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Really well, how bad is it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Well it's from a detailer, and I'm like, detailers always
find things that are wrong, So I don't know if
it's that bad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
They put it under specific lighting and they measure all
the paint things, and I'm like, Randy's never done that.
He doesn't know your paint could be horrible. You just
covered it up. You have no idea. Yeah, but I
wouldn't be shocked. All the threes are still built in Fremont.
But I think if you're like me, you're kind of like, eh,
it's gonna age regardless. So if you're a plan to

(01:02:00):
resell it, then I suppose it makes sense to really
preserve it and try to keep it in as best
shape as possible. But that was that was never our intention.

Speaker 6 (01:02:08):
That was at the wraps still on it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
That would be good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
I would probably do that as well, That would be wise.
I'm I'm trying to hit a million miles on my
Model three. I've got a long way to go. But hey,
once it's a ROBOTAXI, it should be a lot easier, right,
I'll just send it out.

Speaker 6 (01:02:27):
Once it's a ROBOTAXI.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Actually, wait, hang on, we're not going to have another
podcast before the event? We we Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
God, can we talk about one?

Speaker 6 (01:02:37):
Yeah? Yeah, it's six days away, so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Ronald McDonald's going to be there.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
I don't know if.

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
Was that your grok? Was that your grok thing? Rock whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Please call it grok whatever, don't don't stop it.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
I'm fully groaked. That sounds inappropriate, full throated. I woke
up this morning fully groked.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
No that I guess Mike may not know because it
was on Twitter. But yeah, McDonald's tweeted out an image
of you know, to go bag that said something that's
not a big mac is coming, and the receipt on
it has big bowld ten ten, Like it's very obvious.
It's not like a zoom in and notice it's like
a very obvious like ten ten something's coming October tenth.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
So a bunch of Tesla people are like, there's gonna
be a.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
A lot of people are convinced there's gonna be some
collaboration between the Tesla bot working. God, I think it's
literally just McDonald's piggybacking off of the hype and it
has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
I think they're like, it's mcgrid is back.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
All all of their stuff is already automated in a
few stations. Okay, that was a load of sentence. They
have a few locations there that are decently automated where
you pretty much just grab your bag and go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Do they have a robot to sit on every burger
before it goes?

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
I think, you know, I was speaking with the was
it the Tesla seats where like you got the robot
that like simulates hundreds of thousands of miles of sitting
they put the burger in there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
Because every time I get that burger, it's like been pancaked.

Speaker 4 (01:04:32):
Yeah, it would be interesting if McDonald's and Tesla, you
bring it up a lot, Drew is that Tesla is
pretty much the McDonald's of the auto industry, trying to
reduce the cost as much as possible and even canceling
or not canceling, but removing the option to order a
LFP Model three only shows that they're not in it

(01:04:53):
for environmentally responsible reasons. They're in it for business reasons,
like LFP, in my opinion, is the way to go
if you want to be a lot more conscious of
the environment because it's got a longer life. And yeah,
no cobalt, that was the other thing. Thanks. Uh. And
yet they're like, nah, this doesn't make any sense financial

(01:05:16):
wise or business wise.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
But I just people weren't buying it, is my guest.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Yeah, So I think you're equivalencing of these two companies
might just be so on the dot on bullseye that
could be collaborating for a robotaxi that has a big
old McDonald's sticker on it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
The mctesla they did. Did you see the one driving
around the Warner Brothers.

Speaker 4 (01:05:39):
Loot, the yellow one from a drone view that looked
like a whole bunch.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Of Yeah, it is yellow the mctesla. Let's get it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
Each Tesla comes with a one hundreds of McDonald's give cards.
I hate how much this marketing is working. Dang well,
I'm kind of craving one now. It's isn't good. I
hate you. I got to go out to the competitors.
I'm going to Wendy's right after.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
I was gonna say, it's not the first time You've
got companies like neuro and Dominoes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Dominos has always been on like the I don't know,
they're like the Silicon Valley of pizzas, like they're always like, look,
you can order with your Xbox with voice commands.

Speaker 4 (01:06:36):
With your luxA fridge or how many other like Amazon
related items. They are smart that you can use.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
No, but we should, we definitely should do a predictions
expectations because I forgot this is the last episode before
the event. I was not invited by someone sent me
their invite though.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
To use.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Not without committing fraud. But I'm debating, AH might be
worth it. Okay, I'll find it well.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
I guess in the realm of that. I also, while
Drew is looking the information, I wanted to give congrats
to Zekes. They're also another Bay Area robotaxi ride hailing
service and they operate in Vegas and they just made
a partnership with the Vegas Golden Knights to pretty much

(01:07:30):
have their taxis be a service for the community to
take them to the T Mobile. I believe it's the
T Mobile Arena, or maybe it's another arena I forget. Anyways,
you can go watch hockey and get a robo taxi
ride at the same time, in which there's a lot
of way mos in Vegas as well. I know, it's
a whole bunch of them, and so Zekes is definitely

(01:07:51):
trying to get in and having a team up with
a hockey team there that has gained a whole bunch
of publicity I think will help them a lot. All right,
but Drew has let's see if I can do this right?

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Okay, So Drew has an invite from someone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
It says tickets are non transferable, IDs will be checked
upon arrival.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
So you need to get this guy's idea as well
and then go and maybe offer it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
He did say, I will send it. I will send
you my ID.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Oh no, I was like, sir, you shouldn't be doing that.
It's not worth it. This is gonna be a forty
five minute late event. Elon's gonna read the the power
point for the first time on stage, talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
The history of Tesla for the fourth or fifth time.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Right, he's gonna talk about the.

Speaker 6 (01:08:51):
He's gonna bring up It's gonna be a whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
He's gonna look at those slides at the first at
the same time as us. He's gonna be like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
So it dress.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
I think the thing that will really sell it for
me is if it is cyber themed, like the Cyber Truck.
I think that will win me over a little bit more,
just because I like that design and like we've said
in podcasts before, I want to see that as more
of a sub brand that they have under their umbrella,
in which I'm very disappointed that we've only gotten one thing,

(01:09:28):
even though it has had many controversies with it, especially
with the most I think recent one being was it
you It got a recall and we discovered there's twenty
seven thousand of them on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
And it is a software update recall.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Though it's a software update recall, but it's nice enough.
There's twenty seven thousand of them. But even so, like,
going all in on this design in different forms might
not be a bad idea because people like that very futuristic.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Look.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
You're right, yeah, cyber cab.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
That's the the word I heard at one point. I
hope it's I hope it's different and unique looking, but
in the sake of efficiency rather than just different for
the sake of different.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
That's what would be exciting to me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
But yeah, my best case scenario is they are trying
to make a super low cost, super efficient, affordable robotaxi,
but end up discovering that the software is too difficult,
so slap a steering wheel and pedals and then sell
that for cheap.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
That's That's what I'm hoping for. We probably won't get it,
but I can, I can dream.

Speaker 4 (01:10:40):
Would be interesting. What about you, Randy we I believe
me and Nick and Drew talked about in last week's
podcast a little bit. But what's your thoughts and predictions
on we Taxi.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I was just checking the stock price right now to
see how it's doing.

Speaker 6 (01:10:57):
It's it's good, it's all right now. It's good last week,
but it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Almost sold last week.

Speaker 6 (01:11:03):
It was so close, it didn't hit my number. It's close,
but it didn't hit my number.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
At that point, I'm like, yeah, it's make or break
next week that like it's either gonna do really.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Oh, it's gonna break. I promise you every event.

Speaker 6 (01:11:18):
It always drops.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
But then I'm not saying shorts. I'm not saying by shorts,
but every event always lets down people's hype because they I.

Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
Think people are selling off the hype.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
What happens is the people who are doing shorts like
they they're selling the news, buy rumors, sell news, and
that's what's happening there. It happens every Apple, every Tesla,
every Google, every everything. It will dip because people will
short the stock. And all right, I'm catching out, but
I'm talking like a little bit longer, like for the

(01:11:50):
rest of the month, because once once it drops, it
does read calibrate, it stabilizes again, so drop and then
it adjusts. It does it all the time for these
big companies, Always with Apple, always with Google, always with Tesla.
And next week, when will it adjust.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
It's been two years. I'm waiting.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
That's funny because the one I'm all right, I'll join you.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
That's the two year timeline.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Go to the five year timeline and watch out it
goes up to over fourteen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Yeah, yeah, we ignore that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
We don't look at that.

Speaker 6 (01:12:30):
Not for me, you guys, but not for me. That's
the one I look at. That's that's the one I'm
gauging on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
But I think, uh, I think next week, I know
what I want to see. But with with the with
the uh, with the all the robot automation stuff they've
been showing and everything after cyber Truck has always been

(01:12:58):
bigger expectations what they've delivered.

Speaker 6 (01:13:02):
And I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Literally Battery Day, the robots, the the oh yeah a
I DA, the the the cyber Truck launched, the gigafactory launch.

Speaker 6 (01:13:21):
Like all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
We know what the potential was in our mind.

Speaker 6 (01:13:27):
And I'm not even trying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
To be like, oh, because this is how Apple would
do it, but I'm just saying, like, just comparing it
to what cyber Truck did, I'm like, that's their new
benchmark right there, and every year since for the last
five years, it has not done that.

Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
So I think we're going to be let down with
with showing things. But look at that. So funny, that's
so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
However looks Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
That looks nothing lunch box car.

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
That just picture like warrior inside Ronald McDonald. Why are
the back wheels bigger?

Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
I don't know. I don't know what I'm looking at.

Speaker 7 (01:14:16):
The longer I look at it, the worse it because
like you're.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
The person who's really speculation drew, so you can go
for days on it. I look at it and I think, Okay,
it's cleverly disguised and it's a prototype. I don't know
why I'm looking anymore. I'll wait until the event.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
All I all I know is it looks small, and
I like small, so that's very interested.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
There's one door.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
I I know it the feasts the whole purpose, but
can we drive it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
So that's that's kind of my big yes or no question.
Do you think there will be robo taxi rides for
attendees of the event And will the rides be in
a vehicle without a steering wheel or pedals? That's my
big like, will they won't they?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Kind of question. I think it has to have like
for legal reasons and needs to have that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:15:18):
Mm hmmm. I think there will be a Tesla employee
sitting there on the left side with pedals and a
steering wheel, but it won't be touching anything, and there
will be a course around the Warner Brothers lot that'll
take and then that's gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Be so so disappointing, though, don't.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
You that's the point true. What you have in your
mind will always let you down.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
I have to believe, though, Do you agree at least
that Tesla themselves would is ideally shooting for rides without
a driver? Yes, we all agree that would That would
be the coolest demo, like the one way Moo did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Yeah, that would be so sick to It's like, oh, hey,
shows up and there's only but like one sliding door
that opens and then you can walk in and.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
If two people or three people at a time get in,
and it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yeah, subway right like that. Because like Mike is showing now,
like there's so many companies that are already doing driverless rides.
So if Tesla doesn't showcase at least a demo of
a driverless ride, doesn't that put them substantially behind everybody else?

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
The thing is Tesla, the thing about what you just
saw right there, and all these other companies they got
nothing to lose. They have everything the game by being
that dramatic and eccentric about it and being that stand out.
Because they're the ones who are behind trying to play cap.
Tesla has to maintain what.

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
They have already established.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
You can't go that aggressive and risk it when you're
when you're sitting at the top, it's this is the integrative,
you know, minute upgrade cycle of an iPhone equivalent. Tesla
can't get that daring with this. They can't afford it
because they can lose market share. They can, they will

(01:17:13):
all the bad press, but all these little guys, I
don't even know what that company was that you were showing.
There's the one that's my point. Nobody cares. I don't
know what that name is. They mean nothing to me,
but everybody knows they can't risk can't risk it like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
What about Wes in the back with the Xbox controller
driving around the driver list?

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
What if they just throw a steel ball at it?

Speaker 4 (01:17:37):
I that would be my favorite event. Then if they're
throwing steel balls at things still, I was severely enjoyed
the last time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
You just gave me an idea for a really good tweet.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Okay, good for you. I'm that you can tweet something
on the site.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
Fronds at the next event as the chance to do
the funniest thing ever. He's just He's like, you're.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
He throws it right at the driver's side window where
nobody's in it, and just like it cracks it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
So bad and then it keeps driving.

Speaker 6 (01:18:13):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Remember the delivery event where he threw the baseball was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Such a.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
They were all the beams.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Afterwards, there were like model three durability tests with the
beach ball.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
It breaks anyways, he's throwing a feather.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
I can't believe they tried to do that. That was
more embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
I was like, it would have been better off if
you just didn't do it at all than to do
it with a baseball.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
It was such a day throw too.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
He's like, okay, you ready, guy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Ah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
So Randy's expecting disappointment. So neither of you think there
will be a driverless rider. I mean a driverless ride
is what you're telling me. You think there will be
an autonomous ride.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
With an employee supervising yes, yes, in the car.

Speaker 6 (01:19:19):
For insurance purposes, they have to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
I'm I'm going to at least say there will be
a manual override, but it'll be remote.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
I think that's what they were testing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
That little that little uh no Mctesla that we saw, we.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Had only employees demoing it. I would say, maybe, uh,
nobody at all. But when you have people who are
not employees of Tesla getting in these vehicles for insurance purposes.

Speaker 6 (01:19:48):
You need to have somebody in there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Uhh.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
If there's no steering wheel or pedals, then.

Speaker 7 (01:19:53):
The there's going to be steering wheel and pedals. There's
going to be steering wheels and pedals. There's no no universe.
Is there not going to be steering wheels.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Okay, there will, but it's gonna be an Xbox controller.

Speaker 4 (01:20:12):
To give you the best.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
It's not happening.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
It is on the Warner Brothers lot. So if it
is a quote unquote private lot, they're not in city streets.
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
I send you a picture.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
No, I don't allow unsolicited pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Oh my god, it's so small, Alight, I'm sending you
guys a.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Picture of the controller.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
The controller, Yeah, the ones that the engineers are going
to use.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Okay, look they signed it.

Speaker 6 (01:20:48):
He texted it to us.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Yeah, I guess I could my screen.

Speaker 4 (01:20:54):
It's a pretty interesting one specifically, Uh wow, I think
they're getting a lot of inspiration from another company that in,
which is currently going through an investigation to figure out
what went with the submarine.

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
This is this is the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 4 (01:21:20):
That's not the problems. So, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Why is it so pointy's cold in that photo.

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
No, it's finer controls. This is something that can be
put on other gaming controllers as well.

Speaker 6 (01:21:36):
It looks cold.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
So Mike, you're defending me. Now, you're saying that.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
Because it's on the Warner Brothers lot, they could get
away with it as long as it stays on the
Warner Brothers a lot. And Warner Brothers said, yes, you
can have yourself driving car drive around, even if it
means that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:53):
Will not approve that. Even that, no, like there's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Other precautions for liability, you could have it never exceeded
like twenty miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
This is their Warner Brothers is hosting an event. They
are not they they are they are providing a place.

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
To be sure, there's least sure there is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
But I'm again, if it was the employees, it's different.
But if you're gonna let if you're gonna let journalists
and whoever else do it. Somebody's gonna be there's gonna
have stirring, they're gonna It's not the future you want
it to be. I know what you want. I know
you're still trying to be a child at heart. It's
time to grow up. This is twenty twenty four. Trump

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is about to be president again.

Speaker 6 (01:22:42):
Grow up?

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Who so.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
Steer away from that. I do see where there is
and is not a steering wheel in the vehicle, so
I can see both happening.

Speaker 6 (01:23:00):
Stop playing playing center.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
I'm sorry, but that's where my mind goes. Is like
it's on the War Brothers a lot. So there is
a waving of liability clause right there for them to
be able to omit steering and accelerating slush accelerating features
in it. But I also think on the realistic slide side,
it makes total sense to include a steering wheel and

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pedals just in case something goes wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
On the controller.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Will there be a will there be a humanoid robot
demo that why? Why do you think they're calling it
we robot and not you know, cyber cap unveil.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
I have an update on the robot. I think that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
And the update will.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
Be Now somebody is dressed up in the robot city
acting like they're not driving Grimes.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
Grimes came back in the suit.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
I don't think she's too happy right now.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
I don't think of them are too happy right now.
But that's company board is gone at this point.

Speaker 6 (01:24:04):
She's gotta sell yeah right there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Just yeah, there was a guy who dresses up as
Tesla bot at all the events.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Maybe he's going.

Speaker 6 (01:24:15):
And he will be driving even though he lasts.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
I'm just.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
I'm just imagining this like worst case scenario of the event,
Like the the yellow car we'sa driving around isn't a disguise,
that's just what it looks like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
And then the person dressed up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
H anoid robot inside this is a completely autonomous drive
and he's just he just has a little cut out
at the floor with his feet and he's like pushing
the car.

Speaker 4 (01:24:51):
I got a photo. I found a leaked photo of
the Tesla event with an accurate rendition of this gives
me harper for those listening. I brought up the picture
from the UK willy Wonka event where there's a sad
omploopa giving people very small amounts of things in the

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Giant can.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
It's the forty six eighty assembly line right there.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
I believe that same face on the assembly line.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Beautiful. Oh, I hope you're excited.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
It's another TESL event, which makes me excited for hopefully.
I mean, it's another TESL event about a new product
with potentially three to four wheels. We don't know how
many wheels. Even though that the quote unquote leaked yellow
matchbox vehicle shows four again could be smoking mirrors.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
It is refreshing that we're going into a pretty big
company's event and we don't really know exactly what's going
to happen, which is hard to find these days. So
that's my final thought.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Yeah, agreed, agreed, Bye bye.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
We're just gonna do that, all right, See y'all next
week