Ep. 200 - HW3 Limitations - Tailosive EV Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Two hundred episodes, ladies and gentle them a couple of them.
Quite good.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
What if I told you guys that this isn't our
two hundredth.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Episode, Oh, I would be confused.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
So it's in the title mic it says too.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I went through all one hundred episodes and logged a
whole bunch of data in which I don't have it
as a spreadshee unfortunately, So it's in paper form right here.
But no, no, I cat. I went through all the
Spotify to look at all the episodes that we've produced
for the ev podcast. Also, yeah, happy two hundred. This

(00:59):
is our two hundred and third episode.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
What how did we miss it?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
We've uploaded a few interviews that we didn't officially number
as podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Oh well, does that count?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
There's also some interviews that we did number as well.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
Does that count?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
All I know is the number hit two hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Sorry, yeah, this is this is episode two or three.
We've done two hundred and two episodes. This is our
two hundred and third.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
A lot of fun to party with.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Hey watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You're the guy on Y two K that was like,
you know, there was no year zero, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
All year one. But wait, so I guess some fun
facts before we get into it. It took us two
years and three months, and by us, I mean mainly you,
Nick and Randy, you guys and Nick.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Uh definitely Nick?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, well, like guess, and then the collective me as well,
two years and three months to reach one hundred episodes.
It then took in another additional two years and six
months to reach this episode today. Wait, what so in
total we've been doing this for about four years and
nine months or ten months because we're in October.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
What have I done with my life?

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh no?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
And it took us about three more months star to
go to episode two hundred.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
This is what I have to show for myself. This
is four years of two hundred and I'm still a nobody.
Thanks elono of.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
All that time.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Let's not get too nuanced, but some other things I found.
Nick's last episode that he was on was his one
hundredth episode on the EV podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
What like the one he was on a couple of
weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, that was his hundredth episode on the EV podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Hey, well, I'm glad we did something special, and there's
officially now half of the EV podcast does not have Nick.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Congratulations Nick, I'm I come in. I guess third or
whatever at one thirty five episodes. Randy is at one
fifty seven, and Drew impressively if my counting is correct,
one hundred and ninety four episodes. Hey, yeah, he might

(03:29):
have missed ninety four. A lot of those were because
Drew was gone in the Philippines and me and Randy
were holding down.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
The fort I remember good times.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Otherwise, yeah, was it five interviews slash guests as well?
Or six guests?

Speaker 1 (03:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Seven guests? Dang, yeah, including Brittany.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, that's right, I forgot.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I think Brittany being the first me Texico liked the truck, right.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
But man, times have changed mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Indeed, so I thought some of those numbers would be
very interesting. Took some time to go through. I've also
not categorized, but jotted down all the title slash summaries
for all the episodes and what it's a lot to
talk about cyber truck.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
How what's the data look like? How does that show
up on a spreadsheet?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
It's just a lot of titles pretty much, but it's
mainly looking at titles and or details in the description
for those episodes on what we're talking about.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I know there was probably a six month span where
Nick didn't change the description of each show, and each
show said was like they talk about's performance, they talk.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
About Thankfully that was in the first one hundred. After
episode one hundred things got better and which I only
looked at between episode one hundred and two hundred. But
with that, since we're talking about cyber Truck, I've got
some news. Specifically, Yeah, I have finally canceled after actually gratulations.

(05:15):
Is it right here?

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Now? Wow? You have ultra wideband.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Where I was we're going to put the scream. I
guess it's right there, but it doesn't have the date
that I have another foe that has the date. But
it was almost four years on the dot as well
that I was holding onto this reservation and I've canceled it.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Fund it. What triggered that? Were you? Did they say
your order is ready or something?

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, what triggered it actually was fellow YouTuber slash ev
content maker Joe Tagmeier uh covering the differences between his
founder series and Friends or viewers non found fundation series
cybertriged I watched that one, Yeah, and I looked at

(06:04):
the differences, and I thought, why do I still have
this reservation? And so I went through the process and Randy,
it is much different than what you described before where
they asked for your routing number and account number. And
almost immediately after I put through all this information to
refund my reservation, I got my one hundred dollars back immediately,

(06:24):
pretty much.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
What did I say? I didn't say anything. I just
told you that Brittany Dan get her money back. Yes,
Nick is the one who's like he said he lost
money because his credit card or whatever.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
That as well, that I think did improve the process.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
I told that to Louise and she didn't believe it.
She was like, that's not how that works.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, he did cancel his platinum, I know that much,
and at the time in twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Oh so the account was closed. Yes, okay, that makes
more sense because he said that the credit card had expired.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
He didn't renew it after than the last time, and
so it's a membership he did not. He hasn't had
an American Express Platinum for a couple of years now.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Weird. Even so, I didn't I didn't need to put
in my credit card info I just need to put
in my bank routing numbers set way, they can give
me a hundred dollars and which I hope that was
a Tesla website and not some third party site. But anyways,
I got one hundred dollars back.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Oh congrats, Well your account page will be a little
more empty now.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
End of an era, just so the record is set straight,
because we're probably nearing, yeah, that end of the pre
order era. I never once pre ordered a cyber truck.
I never had an order. Many people thought I did
for some reason, just because I've made videos about it
or we talked about it on the podcast. But I
think I'm the only clean podcast host that never that,

(08:00):
never dabbled, never.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Touched the side.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, but you're better half did.

Speaker 3 (08:06):
That's not She's not a host.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
She was on the show.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
She was a guest.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
That's a no. She was interviewed seven. I kind of
swore you reserved one.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
I did not, no need I bought that same year
I bought a Model three. What am I looking at?

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I don't know what I'm is Brittany's name right there
right next to dirty Tesla Jason Hill Christmas. Yeah, because
I'm just I guess I didn't have to put zerus, but.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Ignore that Mike had a lot of free time.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
No, I'm just that good at spreadsheets.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
I've never reserved a model Cyber.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I have reserved a model Y and I refunded that
I canceled that deposit.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I've never reserved a model why either. The only thing
I've ever done was a model three. I'm pure Yes.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Anyways, happy two hundred episodes everyone, or two hundred and
three episodes.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
We've made this in the last.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Welcome to the series finale four years and nine months later.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
This is a while.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
It is.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
At episode one hundred, we were reviewing the new Cyber
Truck Timeline, specifically Cyber rodeo Oh my God, in which
we look so young and.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
Brandy and Nick are in different places. But I'm exactly
where I started saying. I'm still in the same spot.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Nothing's changed.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Yeah, oh that was a different camera though. My goodness.
I suppose Timeline legit? What year was that?

Speaker 2 (09:54):
This was two years ago, specifically April ninth, twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
I don't think it was legit.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
There's many things that aren't legit, especially with what we
just heard from their shareholder meeting today.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Oh my god, what a meeting.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
But it's actually very on cadence from what we talked
about one hundred episodes ago, with something relating to Cybertruk
FSD beta performance, which, funny enough, I've got a story
that connects directly to this episode that happened again, and Tesla.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Delays, Oh jeez, okay, let's hear it. Let's hear it.
I think we have a lot to get to so
we should.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sure, I'll make it quick. Actually, within the first I
think two minutes of episode one hundred, Nick asked, Mike,
you had something horrific go on with the car during
FSD and I talked about how the car went through
a red light. It did it again today?

Speaker 1 (10:54):
It did? Yeah, it was which version?

Speaker 2 (10:59):
I'm on the latest one whatever.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't even know what that means anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Okay, I'm most up to date. My car doesn't want
to update any further, and I'm on the beta.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, I assume that's twelve to five four one.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
But sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Well, I've heard so many mixed things about it.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, but it was at the same exact intersection that
I told in that story back in episode one. Hundred,
but I stopped it this time by slamming on the brakes,
but it hasn't done that in a while. It is
quite hilarious.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
I know.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I I bring this up because I listened to this episode,
I think the day prior. Yeah, I guess yesterday to
get some notes on it. And then it happened to
be on the way to work today, just very timely,
and I thought two.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Hours time to develop and refine and.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
All this promise, all this effort for it to will
trip up on the same exact problem of going through
a red light.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
That's crazy. That seems like the kind of thing that
would be simple like that doesn't seem like an edge case.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
No, the educase that well, I have in the educase,
the thing that I see is that it likes to
break at every single green light, but at the end.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Of the road, it wants to go through the red light.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
So the figure okay, well, this is a great retrospective
in seeing that FSD is still pretty much not meeting expectations,
but there has been some improvements, just not drastic ones
to where I can say that the ROBOTAXI or we
robot event had any merit of being the promise that

(12:49):
they were making.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
You want to fix your cabin camera, Randy, you want
to get that all figured out.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You want to go through some red lights with me
and stop pretty tempting.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I'm I'm so, don't hit me. Oh so what happened
on their nings call?

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (13:16):
I think it was the first time Elon has ever
acknowledged that hardware three might not be enough in his
own words, and I was like, this is good, the
first stage acceptance. Let's start, let's start getting there. He
did say that if you paid for FSD, you would

(13:38):
get a free retrofit if they discover that unsupervised requires
a new computer, which is funny because in the past
they said that hardware four does not is not backwards compatible,
so you can't put hardware four in a hardware three car,
which I believe means they would have to develop a

(13:59):
whole different chip or a different board design at least
that fits hardware three, just with an updated silicon. But
I don't know. As far as Elon and his overly
optimistic timelines. I was impressed to get some kind of
acknowledgment about hardware three perhaps not being enough. I was like,

(14:21):
actually acknowledged it. For once it's been years, but I
actually maybe it's a hot take. I don't think hardware
four can do it either, but that's just me. Could
be wrong, But so far I've been proven right a lot.
If you just assume the timelines are overly optimistic and
it's not going to happen, you've had a lot of

(14:42):
time to build credibility through that. So they also said
some confusing guidance about next year. I don't know if Mike,
did you catch the whole thing or.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Just I was listening to it on two X speed
while driving home. But what I did understand from here's
the confusion that I had about is they keep on
mentioning these affordable or cheaper models, but typically they have
an unveiling event for these things, typically years in advance,

(15:21):
for like new models that are going to be a
part of Tesla's lineup. But we haven't really had that
unless it's going to be a permutation of something we've
already seen, because at least from what I've what's been
suggested from Tesla's history is that they like to make
a big event out of a new product. But we

(15:41):
haven't seen a new event for this new product that
they're suggesting is coming next year and will be in production,
in which leads me to believe that it's not going
to be a whole new product line in terms of, well,
it's going to be a new product line, it's not
going to be its own bespoke chassis with its own

(16:04):
bespoke interior and all that. Well maybe, well, but it's
likely going to be from what I can tell, this
is how I interpreted it. This is going to be
pretty much like a Model three or Model Y that
has a very much cheaper interior, because how else are
they going to integrate a cheaper model in twenty twenty
five with the factory lines that they have currently.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's reasonable, I I think, I agree. I think the
first part of the call made me think when he
said that we fully expect for the cyber Cab to
be in volume production in twenty twenty six, and he
doubled down on that, which has always gone well for Elon.
So he said, not only will we start production in

(16:50):
twenty twenty six, we're gonna hit volume production. That terminology,
that verbiage made me go, huh, he's not just saying
initial production and he's saying volume. If to me, that
would be a lot easier to hit volume production if
you started low production in twenty twenty five with a

(17:11):
steering wheel and pedals. That way, you could ramp up
throughout twenty twenty five and then when twenty twenty six
comes around, rip out the steering wheel or pedals or
whatever for autonomy. But then at a later part in
the second half of the call, he doubles down and says, like, no,
the cyber cab is built for autonomy from the ground up.
We're not going to add a steering wheel and pedals
to it. That's not going to happen. Like, this is

(17:33):
the future. This is where it's all headed, is autonomy,
and that's what it's going to be. So once I
heard that, I agreed more with Mike that to me,
more affordable models just sounds like skim down basic versions
of the three and Y that just hit slightly lower prices.
Because he started saying that we want to hit below

(17:54):
thirty thousand dollars, and then he said, and we'll hit
thirty thousand dollars with incentives, and I was like, oh,
you didn't say that before. This is the first time
he prefaced that the price point will get under thirty
k with incentives, and I was like, well, in Colorado,
you can already do that. So I assume he meant

(18:15):
like federal tax credit, which means you really only have
to price the vehicle at thirty seven and a half
thousand dollars to hit thirty k with a tax credit,
which is not that much cheaper.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Now, So you could easily put in some of the
seats that have been highlighted in Mexico, I believe, the
cloth textiles interior, and then remove a whole lot of
other things as well.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
I think the big one is they're just gonna go
back to doing standard range battery pack, but it's not LFP.
I think they'll they'll take out twenty kiloate hours to
save on wait, save on cost. It'll still get the
tax credit, and with the tax credit it'll be in
the like twenty nine thousand dollars range.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
Is it twenty eighteen again? Hold on, let me check
my watch.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
She'll revive it. Yeah. I those vehicles did not age well,
but I think in the short term they'll probably sell
a lot of them. But yeah, that when the cycle
life isn't great and the battery pack is small, they
tend to degrade much faster. It's everybody that's had a
Model three or I haven't heard of much Model why,

(19:31):
but anyone who's had like a Ay, my Model three
battery went bad, I need to get it replaced. It's
almost always been one of those twenty nineteen standard range
with the twenty one to seventy cells because they put
a bunch of miles on it, and the pack was small,
so it revved up a bunch more cycles. So it's

(19:52):
probably not a great move. Maybe they won't go as
small like before they went fifty kilo hours and this
time they'll do sixty or something. But that's that's my prediction.
I no longer think that we're going to get a
two seater, two door cyber cab with steering wheel and
pedals next year. You know, I want it. I really

(20:14):
wish they would. But just the verbiage from the call,
that's what I've gathered. It's just going to be Model
three but boring but worse.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
But without a wheel, it drives you.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
You'll use a game control.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Does that mean my twenty nineteen long ranges screwed? No?

Speaker 1 (20:37):
You bought FSD, so Elon just promised you a lifetime
of three redtrack.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Here we go. Someone grabbed the quote and put on
Reddit think you user model lists, but his words were
in verbatim. We're not one hundred percent sure, but as
a sock mentioned by some measures, hardware for has really
several times the capability of hardware three. It's usual to
get blah blah blah blah blah. There's some chance that

(21:06):
hardware three does not achieve a safety level that allows
for unsupervised FSD. There is some chance of that, and
if it turns out to be the case, we'll upgrade
those who have bought hardware three FSD for free. And
we have designed the system to be upgradeable, so it's
really just a switch out the computer type of thing.
The cameras they're capable. Anyways, we don't actually know the
answer too.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
I guarantee this is the first time anyone at Tesla
has heard this. I don't. I don't think Eli was
discussing this with the engineering team for a while. I
bet everybody in the FSD hardware chip team was like,
we're what, We're gonna upgrade those again. I thought we
were done. I thought they said hardware three was enough. Yeah,

(21:51):
he's been saying like more than confident, like I'm very sure,
highly likely this will be enough. So it's I don't know,
it's cool to get This is the closest we'll get
to acknowledgement they were wrong.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
It's not a lot in which they hold to their word.
We're okay, Randy, if you, if you somehow get really
interested in FSD and Hardware three just isn't cutting it anymore,
and they're offering a free upgrade, it'll be there. But
Tesla going on their word and not going back on
it or changing the narrative to something else is something

(22:29):
that we've observed over the past four years, at least
on this podcast, to be the fact of the matter.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
I will upgrade the hardware and then sell it.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Even if it's a costly upgrade, like two thousand dollars
grade free. If it is free, we don't know that.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
He just said it. He says that FSD's coming every year. Mike,
I'm just I'm just sticking with the information we have
right now that I bought it at Hardware three. And
if it's not capable, then he.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Said, I could drive a cyber truck through Boka Chika
village's lake estuary thing without a problem. I don't see
that happening.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
I don't know what that has to do with my hardware. Three.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
The point is that there's precedent that his words are
not to be taken one hundred percent truthfully, or as
Drew likes to put you need to add a little
big grains of salt to it before you take him
at his word.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I believe they will do it, but it'll take a
long long time. It's going to be that. They would
much much rather just delay it and say we'll get
to that. Like it's the roadster, it's in purgatory. They'll
never cancel it.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
They're close to finishing the design.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Drew again, they said that. I believe we talked about that,
probably on the one hundredth episode of the podcast. Probably
said at the cyber Rodeo event. He was like, yeah,
next year, we're gonna do the cyber truck and we're
gonna do the roadster. Then he said it would be
this year, and now he's saying next year, and so
it's it's much easier for them, I think to just

(24:16):
kick the can down the road rather than officially say
that I have a hard time envisioning them saying, Okay,
Hardware three can't be improved anymore. Is done. There's no
other ways to improve upon it. No, Instead they'll say, ah,
we got to tweak it a little bit. We gotta
try something else. We'll tweak something, and then they'll fire
the team that worked on Hardware three, and years later

(24:37):
people are going to be begging during these shareholder meetings
like where's the Hardware three unsupervised And he'll be like.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Oh, yeah, no, right now, we need to focus on affordability.
Probably we'll get to it later. It's the icing on
the cake right next to this thing.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
How he said, it's the cherry on the icing on
the cake position whatever.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
It's not even the layers you want to add to
this setday.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
It's a tall cake. But no, I think it'll just be.
That's possibly why Tesla is allowing FSD transfer so much.
They probably want to get as many cars with Hardware
three off of FSD access as soon as possible, because
they're just like, don't you know, don't hold on to

(25:25):
that Hardware three car because then we're going to owe
you a retrofit down the road. So if we reduce
the number of hardware three vehicles with FSD, then it's
less work for us. So that's why they're like, please
transfer it to our new car. Transfer it to a
new car. I you know, they might even start offering discounts.
If you already have FSD, they'll be like, we'll knock

(25:46):
off three grand on a new car.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That car's that way, you're not asking for them to
do the replacement.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Which, by the way, I got the three month and
the new update and I got twelve dot five up
four or whatever. Within in just a couple of minutes
of turning it on, it almost crashed into a trailer,
not joking, yike the most. And then so this time,
unlike last time, I intervened because I was paying attention stupid,

(26:21):
and I got all these replies on Twitter telling me
you shouldn't have intervened, it would have Oh my god,
you just didn't trust it enough. I'm like, so, if
I crash uh in the car does something stupid, it's
because I wasn't paying attention and I didn't intervene fast enough.
So yeah, there's the video of it. I'm pretty confident

(26:43):
the vibe I got from the car it should replay
if it's a short I think, But basically, the car
did not slow down at all when that truck started moving,
and I was looking right at it because he was
inching out of the stop sign, and I was like,
as soon as he started moving, I was like break, break, break, break,

(27:03):
and it wasn't breaking, and it clearly thought. I think
it's pretty obvious it saw the truck and thought, oh,
the truck will clear the pathway by the time I
get there. It wasn't, assuming there would be a low
to the ground, you know, flatbed trailer behind it. And
so I slammed the brakes. And you don't really get

(27:23):
a good impression of how hard you're slamming the brakes
on camera because there's no sound. You're not in the car,
so you don't have the feeling of the inertia and
the speed. So a lot of people are like, oh,
that wasn't dangerous, that was fine. I was like, no,
the car was going like forty miles an hour in
a thirty and showed no signs of deceleration when the

(27:45):
truck was pulling out. And then had I not taken
over and slammed the brakes, I'm convinced it either would
have hit it, or at least gotten extremely close and
breaked unnaturally hard, to the point if I was in
a cyber cab, I would have fell out of my
seat or by drink quit is spilled, because this was
a hard break, even though it doesn't really look like one.

(28:06):
And that was that was literally the first two minutes.
So I was like, yeah, no, he can't even pay
me to use this. I'm sorry. It's free and I
don't want to use it.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
So how many times do you need to learn this lesson?
Young man?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Maybe it's something wrong with me or something wrong with
my car. Because Jerry, one of the Aptera accelerators that
we met up with, oh my god, I'm so jealous
of him. He's he's been loving it. He got the
free FSD month and he texts me every day telling
me how amazing it is and how it totally changed
the way he rides in his car. And he put

(28:50):
duct tape in his driveway so that the car would
auto park there. It reads the duct tape as parking lines,
and he's shotting self parks and he's so amazed by it.
He's just like, I don't know if I could ever
go back to driving myself This is so cool. This
is so amazing and convenient. Like it's just mind blowing
to me how different the experience is based on who

(29:12):
you talk to.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
I have gotten it to drive without me touching the
steering wheel while I'm wearing sunglasses as well, which is
another weird. I don't know whether they update the code
or if that's just.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
That's what my release notes said. Oh, it said supervised
with sunglasses support has been added. So I tried it.
It made my wife extremely uncomfortable, so I turned it off.
But I didn't turn it off. I keep my hands
on the wheel, but I was like, lookhn, there's no
more steering wheel. Nag and I just sat there and
she was like, don't do that. That's weird. It's like,

(29:52):
it's just it's weird that this is the version, especially
Hardware three customers have complained a lot about, and yet
this is the one that they forced onto everybody, and
this is the one that they're like, yeah, take your
hands off the steering wheel, which we've been waiting for
for a long time and I've been looking forward to.

(30:13):
But now it's like, Okay, I have it, but it
almost feels more dangerous than it was before, so I
kind of want my hands on the steering wheel. All
that does is increase the amount of reaction time it
takes to intervene to not have your hands there. So
pay attention. That's all I'm telling people. Just be ready,

(30:34):
be ready.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
This is the story is that there's there is no
right for you, Drew. You're screwed either way. Intervened, don't intervene,
pos and nobody likes you on Twitter. That's my takeaway.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Mm hmm. That's what I've discovered is the only way
to effectively share FSD content is to praise it. You
have to post positive things about it. But if you don't,
people get mad. People get angry because that's why it's supervised.
Or you didn't need to intervene. That wasn't bad.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Anybody who feels that way listening to our show, whether
it's on podcasts or YouTube, your confirmation bias is absolutely
obnoxious and stupid, and you're You're what's wrong with FSD,
not Drew's experience or Mike's experience for that matter. I
don't use it anymore, So what do I care? I

(31:30):
don't give it. I don't care. But you guys, you
know you guys are having these weird hiccups and stuff
like that, and all these you know, loud minority of people.
I don't even know if they're the minority, but they're
loud all the same. But they're confirmation bias that they
want to hear the good stuff and never the bad.
Those people. You people, if you're listening, you're the problem

(31:52):
and it's causing issues for the people who are actually
trying to give legitimate feedback in a beta. When you
run a beta, uh, I mean you do it on
iOS right, iOS? You have a feedback app, Like the
feedback is important. I feel like I'm talking in circles
now and I feel like we've done this exact same conversation.
But did Elon not say we learn more from the

(32:14):
errors than we do from the stuff that's working.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Yeah, Like if he didn't, that goes without saying, you know,
go of course.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
People people need to point out more and and not
blame everybody, Like can we just acknowledge you know that,
like maybe just maybe the hardware ain't there yet, or
the software ain't there yet, or something ain't there. Can
we just like I don't know what what what planet

(32:43):
you're on, but it ain't Earth, and it ain't Mars,
but here here in the real world. In reality, it's
an issue. So I don't know, I I I I,
I don't even know when's it. I'll even try it.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
That was the worst priority.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
It was the worst six grand I've ever spent. I
don't care if I even get that. Like, if I
get a free upgrade for hardware four, then I'll upgrade it,
and then I'll inevitably sell my car because now it's
more valuable. But I personally do not care. I like,
I care more about next year's iPhone color than I

(33:26):
do FSD.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Interesting. Well, I still get a kick out of it
every if not every day, at least every week I
try it out to see, hey, how is it performing?
Or at least I have a day job where I
have to drive to work him back, and so there
is a bit of that commuting fatigue that I get.
So sometimes it's nice to let the computer handle it.

(33:50):
But I'm still attentive. I'm not just sitting there doing
nothing or I guess doing something else is probably the
worst case scenario.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I am I want to like it.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yes, I want to like I'm still giving it chances,
even though two years into it, it's still making the
same mistakes and actually a couple more that are a
little bit aggravating. But I'm interested in seeing where it goes.
And even though autonomous driving still really isn't a widespread thing,

(34:23):
it's becoming a little bit more widespread, but it's not
it's not at a scale to where it's trustable and impressive,
but it is interesting. I think that's what still clued
me in Randy, is that the mistakes that makes is
what piques my curiosity into where the system is faltering.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I just found like there's so many situations where I'm like, Okay,
got time, let's give it a try. I'm like, I
wanted to do something cool. I wanted to be impressed,
like everybod online is impressed, and then it just and
then it goes and does something stupid again, and then
I'm like, well, find myself. Even on the commute to Tello,
I find myself turning it off and I'm like, well,

(35:12):
I wanted to use it. It sounded cool and principle,
but then in execution it just made me nervous, and
I discover that I've been driving so long I have
such muscle memory with driving that driving myself is less stressful.
It's so much more relaxing, which I know goes against
kind of the narrative people have, but I feel so
relaxed whenever I'm driving myself because I'm not worried what

(35:35):
the car's about to do. I'm not like ready to
jump in at any moment, like oh what to do here?
What to do? And I know I can just go.
There's times where it's like you can make it, you
can make it, and it goes too slow, and then
it gets behind the red and I'm like, well, now
it's taking longer. So maybe maybe I would like it
more if it was unsupervised because I wouldn't be looking,
so I wouldn't be judging everything it does. But if

(35:56):
you're forcing me to pay attention, then I'm going to
be judging. And then the whole time I'm like, I
have done that differently. I could do that faster. I
could have gotten here faster. Auto park vision based auto
park has gotten very good. It's much better than it
used to be, but it is still substantially slower than
me parking myself, like I like.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
It for a parallel parking, though, that's nice because I
don't have to deal with the whole how do I
do this again?

Speaker 3 (36:19):
I just like do this.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
I don't do enough parallel parking, okay.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
In the city, so yeah, it probably comes up.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
I like parallel parking.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
You get let you get the back tires lined up,
and then you break right at the.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I don't know, I know there's like an equation or whatever,
like the three point I just I intuitively know how
to park a car. I've been driving since two thousand
and seven.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
I know how weird I am a car. I think
the big thing for me is most of the time
I'm parking, I pull straight in, but the Tesla will
only back in. M H Auto Park refuses to go
straight straight into a parking space because there's no bumper camera.
So it's like, hold on, let me go here, let

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me back.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
And that's what worries me about the Robotaxi or cyber
cab or whatever it is is. It still has the
same camera placement as far as we can tell.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
There's a bumper camera on the cyber cab though, but.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Okay, well that helps. But even still, the repeater cameras
are still in the same position that they are on
the sexy lineup.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
And they claim that existing vehicles can become robotaxis. So
that key yeah without bumper cameras.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Put the giant taxi thing on top of it and say, yep,
it's a robotaxi. We can drive this wherever.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Oh that was a funny little detail. Did you catch that.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
That they're doing right hailing with Tesli employees right now
in the Bay Do they have.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
To pay for it?

Speaker 3 (37:48):
What's ride hailing?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
So they're basically doing what weimo is doing, but just
for their employees. So in the Bay area they have
a version thirty or whatever where the employee can hail
at Tesla and it comes to them and they get
in and then it's autonomously drives them to their destination.
But they said there are it's human supervised.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
So it's pretty much like I drive up in mine.
Why with fs debate or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
It's an in house uber.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
Is that why the stock keeps falling? No?

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Have you looked at the stockay it's up twelve percent?
Oh it's now, Can I sell first thing in the morning? Yeah?
Not twelve percent is not enough that'll cover Maybe it'll
cover your FSD. I'm very tempted from I'm very tempted

(38:50):
to sell I'll be honest. Yeah, there's gonna be some
some Twitter sell offs I think. Oh and also, the
cyber truck is profitable in under a year.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Yeah, that's pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
So no need to worry about the cyber truck anymore, gents, because.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
We can finally be done worrying about the cyber truck
after it's fine undred episodes.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
It's profitable now. No other electric truck is profitable, by
the way, not Rivian, not Ford, not GM, so it
kind of sucks, but it's probab it kind of sucks.
I mean, it sucks. Last it's eighty grand now for anybody. Yeah,

(39:43):
and you caught the Joe Tegmeyer video. He said that
he told them, we will not take delivery if you
don't let me transfer FSD to the cyber truck. And
at first Tesla was like, oh no, you can't transfer it,
and then they went, okay, fine, how they let you
transferred festy so, which darn right they should because that

(40:05):
guy in the video paid he said, fourteen grand for
it or fifteen grand for it.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Yikes.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
They wanted him to buy it all over again. Yeah,
and he's buying an eighty thousand dollars truck. Like my god.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Yeah, he was saying like one hundred and twenty thousand
for that vehicle and he's like, nah, I'm gonna wait.
Response was interesting, It's like oh really, like like.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Why why didn't you buy it?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Though it tickled me.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, Joe was the more classic like I'm a content
creator perspective and his friend was more of the like,
so I just have to wait a couple months and
I saved twenty grand. Yeah, I'll do that. It's just
like everybody, everyone's still waiting. They're like, where's when's the
tax credit coming and all that.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
But yeah, especially those that want the range Extenter at all,
they get to wait longer two because it's delayed, and
it's also boasting smaller numbers from what they initially say.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, what layer of the cake is the range extent
is that it's not the cherry, it's.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
The it's the layer below, it's the cake on the top.
But yeah, just this product is just I saw a
whole bunch of them recently. They were all, yeah, I
don't have the photo on me. What happened to that?

Speaker 1 (41:37):
We were just looking at it.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
We just were, but they are flooding the market with
this giant polygon. I'm seeing at least three a day
now here in the bay which is out here, I'm
seeing them considering one hundred episodes ago.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Wo wow, considering one.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Hundred episodes ago, blowing that we're at that point, but
also just.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
It wasn't for the price. I bet the cyber truck
would be the most common tesla on the road if
the price was not it's current price, but the one
that they promoted in twenty nineteen. Yeah, I could see
the cyber truck easily overlapping the model.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Y there they are, at least in the US, because yeah, yeah,
in the US it's a trucks are the best sellers.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Never have I seen so many polygons in one location
except for old N sixty four games.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
I can't unsee it once I've noticed it. But when
you compare it to the original prototype that the bottom,
the bottom of these things are so low, like they're
so fat, you can tell the prototype didn't have that
big fat battery pack in the bottom, because the original
prototype is this slim, slick like you know, warthog looking

(43:00):
off road thing. And now every time I see them,
I'm just like, yeah, you're a little hanging low down there.
You got a big fat belly underneath every one of
these trucks. They kind of hide it with the steel.
The steel stops, but then that plastic piece goes down
way more. I think it's way more obvious when people
wrap the bottom plastic. I've seen some cyber truck wraps

(43:24):
where they wrap the whole bottom end of it. Yeah,
look how much slimmer that is.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
It is slim. We've come a long way.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Maybe it's the commonality of it, but I'm I'm starting
to get less impressed by it the more I see it.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
I'm still waiting on the cyber quad. I won't give up.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Oh, they should really get on that. It wouldn't be
hard either. Which has priority Roadster or quad?

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Oh, cyber squad all the way, but roadsters probably most
of the products that haven't been released but have been promised.
Where do they rank on this cake?

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:09):
You do a whole tier of never coming versus coming
sooner than never.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Well, there were trailers that they advertised with the cyber
truck as well. Do you remember that?

Speaker 2 (44:23):
Uh, the giant blocky ones.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Yes, there you go.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
These make a return. Why are these here?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Well, for those who are watching on YouTube, this is
the largest supercharger in the world that they just broke
ground on. It's supposed to open next year mid twenty five.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Your call where.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Lost Hills of California. It's on I five. It's the
route between LA and SF, very very common route for evs.
And it's got everything. It's got the solar, it's got
the megapack.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I don't be a place to go inside and hang out.
I just see two bathrooms.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
There's all that grass. You can pee on that if
you need to.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
No, I'm talking about food, Drew, Oh food. I don't
see no food here.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
I don't see how that's Tesla's problem. M you gotta.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
I guess that's Iona's problems to.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Hey, this this thing is more real than Iona at
the moment.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I think both are breaking ground right now.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
But yeah, this is one hundred and sixty eight stalls
in one location.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Like how much it's the BUCkies of supercharging?

Speaker 2 (45:43):
It is like this actually has an inside where you
can get I would say Kettleman City is the BUCkies
of supercharging.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
That's a lot smaller than a BUCkies though.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Hey, it's got a lot more space for buying coffee
than this place does.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
It's huge. My god, the trailers have returned. But you
brought up a good point about why you don't like
this pulled through stall before we started recording.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
What did you say, Oh, so looking at I'm not Oh,
I guess there's a road right here. Never mind then,
but uh, it only looked like there was this one
in and out access. And to have the trailers poking
out immediately when you're driving in is probably not good.
If they're long trailers that you're towing with. Along with that,

(46:33):
how can you ensure that no one or only people
towing trailers park here.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
That's a tricky to enforce.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I would think putting them more towards the back makes
more sense. That way, people don't think about immediately going
to that spot and when.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
The Chevy Bolt is going to pull right into that
pull through and be like cool and then just sit
there for two hours, Well, someone in their cyber truck
is waiting in line.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
It's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Now. The bigger issue you brought up, though, is that
there's no overhang over the trailers.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
Yeah, if fine, tone livestock they're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Livestock is roasting, and.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
This is on I five where livestock is typically going
up and down that interstate.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
I like mine medium well, let them cook medium to
medium well. USDA says, that's when you can ensure up
Paris sites are burnt through, So medium well, preferably, thank

(47:47):
you to correctly.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
I will most definitely charge here though. I've taken this
I five route many times.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Have you hit all the big superchargers on that route?
Because the Terrace Ranch, Kettleman City, Uh, I'm forgetting the
other one.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
There's a bunch I don't know them by name, but
I've pretty much been to all of them at some
point because I've done that route.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Firebox, Garris Ranch, come in city, Firebough and now there'll
be lost hills or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
It's cool, though, to see that many in one place.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
That's a lot of solar. I don't know how they're
gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
We'll see. I'll report to you live. I'll be there
with the mic with me, No the mic, the okay, bo.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
What about segues?

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Next story? You got tabs?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
So you want to talk about disc accidentally hiring a
North Korean spy.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Oh wow, And how this.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Company just keeps on jumping further and further down the
depths of whatever. Crazy. They're getting to the level of
Nikola in terms of it. Can't get much worse, can it.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
I thought bankruptcy would be the worst thing, but apparently not.
Apparently it could get worse. That's fascinating. I don't know,
also hilarious on North Korea's end. I wonder if that
spy got anything good. No, he came back. I know
how not to build an EV. I've figured it out

(49:34):
pretty much.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Yeah, we're gonna make an EV for our our wonderful dictator.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
I don't they bring new meaning to inside EV.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Inside and he.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Has insider knowledge.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I just thought I wanted to highlight just how how
low can you go with this company? It seems like
they're going lower and lower and they're still not dead,
like you'd think low would be death, but they were
still not there yet. We're still going deep down there.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Hm, who's that Fisker? How are they not dead at
this point?

Speaker 3 (50:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
They vacated their HQ. We talked about that or whatever
business building. I think we talked about that last week.
I don't know where they're working anymore or what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Besides recall, anyone's there at this point, I don't see
evidence that.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
The North Korean spy is there.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Still thinks they're in business.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yeah, never have them anticipate your next move. Always keep
them guessing.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
I think any unsold Fiskers should go immediately to North Korea.
It just kind of fits in with the culture there.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I can see Kim Jong un.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Just Grock generate an image of Kim Jong un in
a fiske irrosion. Let's see if I can crank that out.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It's also unbelievable that I wanted to highlight if I
have it right here, I somehow don't specifically, Oh, here
it is, and you won't like it.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Nope.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Is the first is the first ev that's gonna get
a solid state battery, the most amazing vehicle that's going
to be coming out. I think next year the Dodgy
Charger Daytona.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Of all vehicles to give solid state batteries. Are they
gonna call it solid state because it never moves? It
just it just makes noises all day. It can't just.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Since they're screaming in pain.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
But he did wait, wait there, that's that's a mood right.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
There, Brandy, What do you think factor was? Factorial?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Is a bothering him?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
He's not talking much, so I'm trying to keep him
in the conversation because I'm interested in his u.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
He said, he said more than we ever could with
those eyes.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Those beautiful blues. It was just like, there we go.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Why are we still here?

Speaker 2 (52:41):
There's the thumbnail for this summer.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, we don't edit anything. Oh have anyone bought one yet?
I haven't watched.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I don't think they're doing deliveries yet. But the slid
state batteries aren't supposed to go into the units that
are uh are going to customers. They're going towards a
designated demonstration fleet to see how these quasi solid state
batteries AH behave I guess in an EB, so.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
There's BS and then there's like BS squared.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well, this is a factorial battery, so it's BS to
the N plus one.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
There's BS and then there's SSB.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Is that factorial.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
SSB solid state battery? That's good? Uh oh.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
Factorial math factorial? Yeah, so it would be uh bs
exclamation point because you do BS to the powers BS
minus one times.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
Yes. The problem with solid state batteries that they can't scale.
Mm hmm, so building a couple of them changes nothing like.
That's not addressing anything like. I'd be more interested if

(54:16):
it meant that the range was gonna go way up
or something.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
The energy density is supposed to be better.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
I've seen Apple with more specific graphs than that.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I thought I was looking at an M one chip graph?

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Is that? What is the solid line represent.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
The curve for? I don't know. It's a very bag.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Here's that. They don't even have an X access.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Labeled or a y AX. Well, I guess the three
hundred hours? Well no, I guess that's my key, the
key at the bottoms, this dotted line solid low.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
They don't even legend for this.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
It's like those pigraphs that are like yes yes in purple. Wait,
what car was that? Go Back?

Speaker 2 (55:18):
That's a modelize?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Great?

Speaker 3 (55:22):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Was this the same company that made that? Modelsco? Like
seven hundred miles?

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Probably I wouldn't be surprised drive that long.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
They're partnered with Mercedes, Benz, Stalantis and Hyundai, so it
seems like Stillantis really needs to pick me up. And
so they said the truck.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
That's all anyone cares about. Just do the ram RAM.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I guess GM is almost beating them to the
finish line with a five hundred mile range truck that exists.
Well that yeah, that you can buy and drive spect
out a GM or GMC Sierra Denali. They don't give
you many options. You kind of just go through with like, yes,

(56:09):
I want that one option. Yes, I want that one option.
There's no other options until you get to accessories on
like what you want to add to it, which is
great because then that means they can mass produce all
of them at the same trim. But it doesn't make
it a fun experience going in to pre order slash
configure your edition one GMC Sierra Denali EV.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
It's not playful.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
No, So you're not too excited about a solid state
battery being put into a Dodge Charger Daytona.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Then definitely not excited about anything with the charge of Daytona.
Definitely not excited for solid state batteries because that's not
really the problem with that's not an issue I think
with EV adoption, but people keep hyping it up. It's
like FSD, it's Toyota's FSD. They've been promising solid state
batteries for a decade it and it's still not out.

(57:02):
So I am. I think just like Tesla, they have
earned their skeptics. I'll believe it when I see it
is justified. Everyone deserves to be skeptical. Yeah, and if
you're just doing a limited run, that doesn't really address
the main issue with solid state and so well.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
The last time we saw a solid state battery relayed
thing was from Yoshino, and that went, well, are they going.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
To include one of these in the Daytona? They just
throw in the back. It's just in the truck there.
It has SSB.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
For those who don't know, the Yoshino Solid State Portable
power station is not a solid state portable power station.
It is a quasi semi solid state, but pretty much
a lithium ion battery or typical liquid lithium ion battery pack.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yeah, it doesn't help that no one actually knows what
solid state batteries are.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Oh, people know what they are in terms of our
R and D. They don't know what is in the public.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
It's like the State of Wyoming or No.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
No, everyone knows what that is because there's so much
rare minerals that were discovered.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
There on a map. If I told you to point
at Iowa, I bet if.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
That's the one doesn't exist, I can point in Iowa.
It's not a real place.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Right next to Rian. If you know anything about Rivian there,
that's the Oshino battery.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
This is Iowa of batteries. It's not a real thing.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
It's so Ohiowa batteries, Iowa culture.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
NASA made it up.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
NASA made up Ohio with a.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Bunch of other Iowa bs claims about uh anyway, well.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Just going in some weirds.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Let's talk about something fun, like the election.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
So I'm gonna pivot I was gonna say, I'm gonna
pivot over to since we're talking about Mercedes being associated
with the factorial battery.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Is that a way mow? Or did he just strap
a water bottle to his room.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
So I saw this?

Speaker 3 (59:20):
Or you just happy to see me?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
No?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
So I was on my way back from Reno a
couple of weeks ago. I mentioned I did a little
mini road trip to Reno. I'm back. I have an addiction.
But we had to go to the bathroom. The closest
bathroom to the supercharger was a gas station and I
saw this guy pull up and on the side it said, yes,

(59:45):
this is an autonomous testing vehicle collaborated by Mercedes and Nvidia,
which I didn't know that they're collaborating, but I guess
they are on some driverless tech drivers autonomous tech. Let's
let's say that driver list doesn't make sense because we
have a driver right here.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
So you took this picture.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
I took this picture. It's wonderful, isn't it. I'm doing
no good service.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
His color, it's nic choice.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
It's a company vehicle, but not the vehicle. I will
say it did come as a surprise I didn't expect
to see on my drive back in a random town.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
That is weird. It doesn't look like a normal ROBOTAXI like,
there's nothing other than that sensor on the top that
I can see.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
There's some black pads on the quarter panels right here,
and then some black pads underneath the side view mirrors
that are ultrasonics or radar sensors, I believe, And then
I think it does.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Just prevent it from hitting.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Like the olymp bookers on the Oh goodness, was it
the nineteen eighties sedans?

Speaker 3 (01:01:10):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Well, that and video is kind of interesting, up and
coming brand. I think they might be worth some.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Up and coming I looked at their stock price.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Just a theory I have. I don't. I don't know
much about them, but I think they're going somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
If it's good enough for Pilowski, it's good enough for
my portfolio Ski. Oh my gosh, my portfolio Ski.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
That's cool. That's news to me. I didn't know Mercedes
was working on it. So who do you think? Who
wants to license as D? You know a Tesla got
really quiet about that. Maybe they pulled out. Can we
licensez D from you? Launch is the latest version? Never mind,
we're working with that idea. That's fine. Who wants to

(01:01:59):
work with you guys? You know lots of companies have
expressed interest. We can't say who yet. Mercedes is like, no,
you can tell them, tell them what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
This is a multi year project, maybe even a decade
long project. You know, it's a it's a marathon, not
a sprint. The grass is always greener.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
If they told you that it was going to be
a sprint. It's like they said, this is a one
hundred feet sprint, and then you start running and then
you get there and they say, actually, it's ten kilometers.
And then you finish the ten kilometers and they go,

(01:02:50):
actually it's fifty kilometers. That's what FSD development feels like.
It's right there, it's right there, it's right there. You're
so close, You're so close.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
And so I went to lor I don't know what that.
Apparently Ben Ten's involved here, but I went to go
click on read the blog for what's going on with
this thing? And it took me to this page. Even
this page.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Wow, it looks promising.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
But yeah, here's about Look at the SoRs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
How old is this story? I bet that gave up
and that guy just took delivery of one that still
had some wrapped on it and he's just driving it
around as his personal Wait, he's had a gas pump.
This isn't even an ev No.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It's not. Why are we talking about this again? Unacceptable
because we're talking about the charger, which is the best evis.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Somehow, Way Moo's not pretty, but they've this is a
cheap knockoff. Somehow you found a way to make way
Mo beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
It is way more beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Oh oh, okay, Randy's looking at me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
The angriest eyes, mister angry eyes here. Yeah, so, Drew,
you sent me some photos right before this podcast. I
was hoping you'd elaborate on a few of them for me,
because I'm interested in what you were talking or what

(01:04:32):
you're interested in talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Here it appears, at least according to this photo from Twitter,
that the wheels have been installed on Aptera API two,
which means maybe by the time this episode goes live,
they have a production intent drivable vehicle. It looks like

(01:04:56):
the brakes are on there. The drive chefs, I think
are in the next picture. We got a good look
at the tarret. Yeah, there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
It's all exposed drive shaft, so I've got.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
The seats in there. It's got a steering wheel, it's
got pedals, it's got wheels, and I'm wondering what else
are we missing? What is what does it need? A battery?
Is that the last step?

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Steering wheel?

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
It has one in the video already. Okay, yeah, that's installed.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
The last step it needs is a miracle.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
A miracle Randy. Wait, wait, wait, the keyword for Randy
is a was it was a car play? Car play, Randy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
I don't think it has a car play yet, so
Randy's unimpressed. Oh, I'm afraid.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Well, this is nice to see that they're getting progress.
I did have a few more questions for app Tara,
which maybe I could get those answered either through you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Or I might know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I'm pretty good, but mainly more more in regards to
more update details for the p I builds and also
their updated guests, when they think they're going to have
things ready, why things are delayed and all that things
that most likely the CEO or some of the I guess,
Christmas famili, are you an employee of Tara?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Not yet, but I have all this information. You're asking
like one question and I'll answer it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
This is episode two hundred. I would be surprised if
Drew did announce that he's now working for app Tara.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Most of my audience think I work for them anyway,
so might as well just act like I do. I'm
just extremely underpaid. No, but what do you want to
know about the PI progress? Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Specifically what's the time, Like what's the timeline on these
p I builds? And specifically on these PI builds like
why are they informing between now and supposedly production by
mid twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
So they are trying to build the PI as quick
as they can, but not all of the parts are
coming in as quickly as they'd like. They've expressed that
buying these kinds of custom made parts is not the
same thing as ordering off Amazon Prime, where they have
a big warehouse stocked full of things exactly that you're
looking for. This is all kinds of custom parts that

(01:07:36):
have never been on any vehicle before, a lot of them.
So that's why they're tweeting out every day whenever they
get a new part, like they recently got the lights
and the tail lights and the reflectors and the holes
for all the cameras. So that's why in case people
are wondering, why isn't this done a month ago, because yes,
they have said they're building it as quick as they can,
and they thought it would be done by this time,

(01:07:57):
and then it took longer. It's all because there's a
bunch of different supply chains that are all trying to
come together for the first time that have never worked
together before. So anytime a part comes in, they're throwing
it on there. And now it feels like they probably
have a rolling chassis by the time this video goes up.

(01:08:18):
But they also have production intent battery packs, so I
know that's not the problem. They have production grade solar
that's been made, so there's not a ton left at
this point. But the timeline is basically just as quick
as they can, and they'll probably have two or three

(01:08:38):
of these PI builds by the end of the year,
or at least be starting on secondary ones. But the
intent behind them is to see, of course, how everything
that was virtually built comes together, and then range test them,
put serious miles on them, because a vehicle like this
that's assembled with a carbon fiber structure and with three

(01:08:58):
wheels and with this motor and with this weight has
never been driven at with extensive history. So the intent
is to have some employees or some really really nice
redheaded YouTubers drive the PI builds as much as possible
so that they can get all of the driving data,
figure out what the weak points are, so that by

(01:09:19):
the time they start building them for deliveries, they'll know, Okay,
we have to tweak this little thing, or we have
to improve this, or this part isn't strong enough. We
need to beef up this little thread here. The overall
design is pretty much locked in. I don't think there's
going to be any more drastic redesigns, but little things
that they basically need to drive around the production intent
models so that they can figure out how to improve it,

(01:09:42):
how to tweak it, and how to adjust the specs
accordingly if the efficiency is worse than they thought, or
maybe it's better than they thought, and they'll share all
those findings, and they can do DC fast charging tests
and they can get permission from test let Up start
prototyping with a supercharger access because that'll be needed for them.

(01:10:02):
So all kinds of things that you just need to
do before you can deliver, and of course crash tests
that'll be something else a lot of the people. Yeah,
and they plan on getting a third party to do it,
and then all of the data they get from that
analysis they will share with the community and show how
safe it is because there's a lot of safety systems

(01:10:24):
built in. So that's the timeline with the PI bills,
probably going to deliver for the first one to a
customer end of next year somewhere around there. But again
it's a small company, not a ton of people, so
there could be delays. But I'm just glad to see

(01:10:44):
progress as long as it's moving and they're moving right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Well, I do appreciate the info. Yeah, I think many
like me are interested in why are they putting so
much time intifer into this thing? And why can I
have my aptara today?

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta know how it all comes
together first. That's That's something else they mentioned as part
of the PI process is to figure out how to
properly explain to all of the employees that they're going
to have to hire at the San Diego facility how
to assemble each part. So it's not just as soon
as the part comes in, slap it all together as

(01:11:28):
quick as you can. It's also analyzing like, okay, what
what's the best method, what's the best strategy? How do
we hold this thing while it's being weighted to attach
to this part? So knowing how the whole thing goes
together is an important step of development. They don't want
you finding out all the kinks and issues, so they

(01:11:49):
would rather find them first so that when they deliver
you're happy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:55):
I'm gonna be so happy when this thing's on the road.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
Me too. Definitely, I could use one like yesterday, so
that would be great, but yeah, fairly well versed and
any questions they have because I had to work at
that event and there were a lot of people asking questions,

(01:12:18):
so I know where they stand on a lot of
things fair enough. Hopefully not too distant future. But y'all'll
have any final thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Some of my final thoughts mainly come from the giant
list that I made specifically around going from Cyber Rodeo
and Standard Arrange Model y to seeing some launches of
vehicles like the F one fifty Lightning and the Ionic
five US down six Yeah, I think down like five
and six.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
I wasn't out back then.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
I think the six wasn't out. The five was talks
about the Rivian R two and finding out the R
three is a thing, the Badger returning the delivery event
last year with the cyber truck. The Blazer effect was founded.
During this time between episode one hundred and two hundred

(01:13:19):
that Terror Redesigned, we got to see the ex thirty
and ninety from Volvo We're talked about and those got
pushed back to more personal news with talking about Tello
and then many months later checking out Tello, and then
a few months after that checking out again to then
see that we have a Tello employee amongst us that

(01:13:42):
was unveiled, which is pretty funny. And then the Knack's
Brigade was also something that was I think a big
event that we were covering as well, all these adopting
Nax and us covering pretty much every single week. A
new company that has joined the Hype train and Gravity

(01:14:04):
Lucid Gravity was also finally shown off between these hundreds
of episodes, but.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I can't believe they still haven't taken a single order
for the Gravity.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Yeah. I wanted to ask you guys, because I've listed
a lot of these things, to jog your memory a
little bit, was there a episode in particular that you
enjoyed or stands out the most in your mind over
the past hundred episodes. I can list some more as
well if need be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
But there's definitely been moments I can remember where we were.
I was literally crying because I was laughing so hard.
I don't know which number it was, but I recall
that happening on several occasions.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
You guys also unveiled that you're ganging cars between these
episodes as well, between episode one hundred and two hundred
with truth and yeah, you didn't have it until right
before September.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
That was a pretty good episode. That's a watching your
reaction to that was very entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
That was fun, right, No, never mind that April twenty
second was cyber Rodeo DA So wait, why din'd you get? Yeah? No,
that was before Yeah, but yeah, that and then Randy
and Brittany gained their model y and then also you
were oh, yeah, we're reserving an apta.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Oh, that's right. That was also in there. It was
fun road tripping in Nevada and recording a podcast and Bie,
that was cool. I'm looking back at the episodes right now.
I'm trying to remind myself.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Yeah, you got the whole list here too, that we
could put up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
Oh dude, after the Rivian event, right after they unveiled
the R two and R three, Oh, we were just
so I'm looking at it now. That was a two
hour episode. We had a lot to say, and that
was all we talked about. We were just so in love.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
I'm still high.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
We'll never get a hit like that again.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
No, that was cyber truck type of dopamine hits.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Oh my god, dude, that was that was huge. That
was Yeah, Rivian's gonna have a hard time living up
to that one. The hype was just like, yeah, that
was a big that was a big event.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
Teerless, we're also in there as well, both of them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:45):
Yeah, I think about that long. I've hated Mike ever since.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Oh you know, there was an episode that wasn't necessarily fun,
but I think it was. I think it was important.
I think it was like valuable. The episode I'm trying
to find it is that the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
Bar Barbie Oppenheimer contrast.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
It was called Yeah, it was called Tesla pulls the Plug.
It was the episode right after they fired the entire
charging team.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Oh that's when you and Mike went for the whole episode.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
But I thought even though it was very serious, it
was not a very funny episode. We weren't very comedic,
but both express very very I think valuable points on
both sides of the equation of the isle of the Isle. Yeah,
it was a lot of back and forth about is
this okay? What does this mean for the EV community?

(01:17:47):
And no, it's not okay versus no, it's it's a
necessary pain. And it was just like it did pretty well.
I looked at the views and I was like that
got way more views than usual. It's like two thousand views,
So that was a That was a pretty big episode
that I remember feeling like that was a hard conversation,

(01:18:08):
but it was necessary. I feel like it was a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Just a very hard couple exciting couple of weeks because
we had that discussion which was a bit heated. Then
we talked about gravity, and then after that you announced
that you were I would say it was a very
passionate discussion.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Interesting. I like how we all remember them differently. That's I.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Remember a three hour tier system and me looking for
my glock afterwards, and I just wanted I wanted to
pay to stop. I had a lot of therapy because
I wasn't sleeping.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
He went, he went to bed, and all he saw
was the s A.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
I just saw.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Minutes. Oh my god, hotly crap.

Speaker 3 (01:19:08):
I thought about taking it never mind anymore, and I
think YouTube will actually suppress, So I'm just gonna stop.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
I'm telling an episode on why we voted no on
Elon's compensation package.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Surprisingly not our most disliked podcast. Dang, I would be cures.
Oh they don't let you rank it that way. That
would be cool. Our highest dislike view.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
One, our highest view one is Drew surprising us Randy
with the Model three delivery.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
That's memorable. I remember that one. Besides like thinking of
like just thinking back over the last two years, that's
that's that's kind of that's difficult, but the Model three
reveal that that was a genuine shock. That was back
when we were still doing discord, so you can hide

(01:19:59):
things like that. The tiered system was another one, just
because of the longevity of it being analytical. I remember
the uh, the bar the Barbenheimer duo between tech. That
one stuck with me for a very long time. I
remember it. I definitely remember the Rivian. That's my personal favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
Event.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
You mean, yeah, yeah, that that one I was so
I was. I went in with such little expectations that
that blew my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
So they.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
They did one more thing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
There was no self driving talk, so it was pure uh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
It's it's like when you have a coherent politician talking
to you and you're like, WHOA.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
They didn't talk about self driving, but they didn't spend
much time talking about They said, we do have an
intent on autonomy with these vehicles, but they.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Spent the appropriate amount of time on it, which was
five seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:21:05):
Disliked was episode Cybertruck Versus one and Randy wasn't there.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Kay, That's why they're like we need him. The fifth
thing that I remember, like a memorable one that hats
have been within the last two years, just statistically, was
when Nick came on the podcast after being gone and
he was like, I'm no longer getting an EV and
we had this whole like I am not your failure.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
That was a sad episode.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
That was so sad. But I remember that because he's
like that, you didn't push me away from me? I did.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
I did.

Speaker 3 (01:21:43):
That one? That one that stung me because I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Like, we were like, this is Nick's last episode.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
Yeah, it was for a while. September twenty second, I
remember back September, sorry, September and twenty twenty two, two
years later he came back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
That's how long it took me to forgive him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Because I remember him so wide eyed and eager, sitting
in my office back in San Diego talking about wanting
to branch tech and make EV its own thing. Because
he was because he was so astatic more.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Than I forgot. We used to do EV at the
end of the tech YEP, we would go like a
three hour episode, should.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
We roll into ev now, gents, sure, let's do it
so cyber. We did that for a long time and
and and it was Nick's idea of like, let's make two.
And I remember him come to my house. I was like,
I want you to do a Johnny, I've like intro
with the white back. He was so acstatic and he
went and to see Little Annie from episode one all

(01:22:53):
the way go now to at the end of episode
three where he's just like EVS. I was like, I
don't even know who I'm looking at. You are my brother, Nicholas.
I loved you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Yeah, that was seventy five episodes between when he talked
about hybrids. Well, the quality just got awful here, how's
that viber shsh?

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
I think we all look thinner now than we did
back then.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Let me try well change there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
I think we do, except Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
I think Nick has maintained that for Zeke ever since
starving himself.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
Nick is then dude, he's yeah, freaking you see that
new alien movie. Unrelated, I'm just asking related, I'm just asking.

Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
I've been hearing good reviews about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Yeah, I have but that was the boy. I think
I know why Randy was sad today. It's because there's
no Rivian news.

Speaker 3 (01:24:03):
I wait, no, no, no, it has nothing, guys, no, no, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
In the last hundred episodes, Drew changed his mind on
Lucid or maybe we did the podcast changed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
I'm so open minded my brain fell.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
Out, sanded out too much, sexually sanded it out. What what?

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
How open minded are we talking?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
My god? That closed the mind? Close it, this is out?
Oh boy, you can't complete.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
An episode with out there being some type of dark
controversy pushing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
That's true. It was a surprising lack of Trump impressions
in this. Yeah, there's always next year.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
There's always an hundred episodes. If we get to three hundred,
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Well, I mean we'll find out after November if it's
even relevant at there at that point, which you know,
me me me me me me me me me me
me me me me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:14):
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
I mean Elon voted for me and I told him
I was alated.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Tax all the.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
Taxes are going away. Ladies and gentlemen. They didn't care
because he's ad bider was the worst president ever. I said,
it's worst.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
I didn't know you worked at a drive through?

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
Did you hear that McDonald's headn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I'm not talking about this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
There was an I think an ebola outbreak or something,
and so amost like I swear to gotta be to
wash his hands before.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Oh wow, two hundred mistakes.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
And you guys keep coming back everyone, You guys keep
taking the call, and you guys listening or watching, keep
clicking or just down like what is wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
I will say thank you for listening for the last
one hundred episodes. We hope to provide the same quality
and openly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Better no much worse, get worse the next batch of
one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
If we can get to three hundred, we'll see, but
see thanks for tuning in with us.

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
On the three hundredth episode, it has to be Spartan inspired.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
What do you mean Spartan inspired?

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Und?

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
We need Zack Snyder.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
We need to get him on the sh oh and
everything and everything has to be in slow mode.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
What TV do you like, Zach?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
And he'll start talking about Lord of Why anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
So, uh, Superman was not supposed to have a mustache here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Mm hmmm, put a big mustache on the tesla. I
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
I appreciate the last one hundred episodes, however long that took,
and everybody checking in all these times and I don't
even know, Mike, you have it on your paper maybe
two years and six months, and well, no, that's not
my question. My question is have we like been growing

(01:27:40):
since within the last hundred episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
We launched the YouTube channel and we got monetized if
you recall that as well, that was that been growing
in terms of viewership as well.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
It's up. I'm looking right at the lifetime.

Speaker 3 (01:28:00):
Dang, well, that's cool. The last hundred episodes. We not
only did we maintain this weird thing that we call
a show, but people tune in and listen about stuff
that's crazy. That's it just blows my mind that I

(01:28:23):
did this with tech too. But I mean you hear
all of it, like jokes aside or or debates aside
or whatever, like all that aside. I don't I don't
take any of it for granted, just having like that
opportunity and just like people are genuinely curious what we

(01:28:44):
have to say. That that blows my mind because I
I we started these podcasts as just like a way
to document our excitement, and I never thought anybody would
give up a two to what we had to say
and do, so numbers show otherwise, and we're two hundred strong.

(01:29:06):
And that just that's very surreal to me because it's
it's bigger than any one of us individually, which I
think is kind of cool. It's you're that you're the
product is bigger than you, so it has its own
it has room in the in the equation to like

(01:29:26):
grow and breathe and and and you know, we can't
control algorithms or nothing like that, whether it's on podcasts
or YouTube. So the fact that like people got out
of their way to make it two hundred episodes deep,
Like I'm sure we've picked up new audiences along the
way too. We've lost some week you need some and

(01:29:47):
and that's it's weird to see that evolution on the
you know, content creator to audience side. It's weird to
see our evolutions as ev owners all of us now
and and what the next ev chapter would look like
for us. It's weird what we found value in episode

(01:30:08):
one hundred and what we find value now. Like the
one that comes to mind is like I don't care
about FSD anymore. And I think back in episode one hundred,
I was fighting to get my point, my my safety score,
so I can oh yeah, like I bless god, I
got that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
So brain still my brain still checks myself. If I
moved the car without my seat belt on, I'm like, oh,
that's going to dig my safety score. And then I go, oh, wait,
I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Oh wait, oh wait, I forgot I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
Wait I have FSD and they don't take it away
based on your score, so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Yeah. So I was just I guess that was along
win away of me saying to you guys and to
anyone listening watching, thank you, thank you for hanging in there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
Yeah, thank you, thanks for listening, and uh hopefully provide
a lot more fun and entertaining content in the future
with either new interviews, more interesting takes on what's coming out.
I mean, over the last hundred episodes, there's been so
many different evs that have come out. I mean, one

(01:31:17):
hundred episodes ago, we're just talking about mainly the cyber truck,
and now we've got things that can rival the cyber truck,
and I mean the CEB trucks out as well, and
We're kind of done hyping about the cyber truck at
this point, right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
It's done it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
It used to be the giant golden egg on top
of the pedestal, so far away, that beacon of light,
and we've reached it, and there's still road to drive,
there's still things to see, there's still places to be,
and hopefully you'll accompany us on this adventure that we're
going on.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
And the real memories are the evs we got along
the way.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
Beautiful Wow. With that note, we'll see you next time.
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