Ep. 201 - Scout's Comeback - Tailosive EV Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome back to the Tylos of Trump podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Ladies, It's too soon. It's too soon.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Daddy's back, Baby, Daddy's back. We're gonna be doing this
for another four years.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Believe me, this is too soon. It's too fresh for Randy.
I know it's funny, but.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Quite frankly, it's been long enough.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I mean, now, Eve's if you look at him, they're
gonna be great again.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I'm telling you it's gonna be great. Eon.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Tesla is gonna be Have you seen this dog and said, wow,
look at this dog.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
He's back.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
The market is doing better than ever before, and I
just want before that everything was gadded, bided, we called
it Biden back and bye.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
But I was there. But ow now I gotta be
trumpling baby.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Quite vaguely, that's true. Someone someone on this show recently
sold their Tesla stock.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Did I sell too soon?

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Because now went up almost another fifteen bucks from when
I sold.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Today At least it was fifteen percent. I don't know
what it is when the show goes live.

Speaker 4 (01:30):
Oh, it's eight right now to eighty eight. I sold
at two sixty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Well, I'm here to announce that I also sold my
Tesla stock. Hey, I'm out as.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Well, he's out.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
When did you sell this morning? Oh today? Yes, my goodness, he.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Wrote, He wrote that victory. Congratulations on your cash out.

Speaker 5 (02:01):
Yeah. Well, so the reasons why I did that is
primarily due to one shooting up to the news that
three major share holders are going to be pulling out
a whole bunch of their earning slash stock slash whatever,
including kimbal Musk and Yeah, I guess the third thing
was because it shot up because of everything that's going

(02:22):
on politically. I felt, Okay, this is probably the right time.
Sell the news by the hype, by the hype. No,
buy the news, sell the hype, whatever it.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Is, buy rumors, sell news.

Speaker 5 (02:32):
Okay, Well I sold the news. So now I'm done.
I low sell high yep.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I mean I've been screwing up. I've been buying high
settling lows sometimes. But no, Tessa's doing great.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
So what Drew was alluding to is I made a
very public announcement on my on my side of the
YouTube sphere, and I cashed out, and I just from me.
It's about the volatility and everybody who held on, like Mike,
even you, Drew, unless you sold George, like everybody, everybody

(03:06):
today is everybody doing good.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
There's no I don't think there's a wrong time to sell.
Just don't sell out a lots is really my message.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
So just hold on forever.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Hasn't been a good time to sell my canoe stock.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Listen, some people buy canoe stock. I bought. I bought some.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I don't know Etherian or whatever, but dude, even bitcoins
up though, So I'm like.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
I did sell all my bitcoin today accidentally.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Accidentally.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oops. I like two years ago put in an open
cell order for bitcoin if it ever hit. I think
it was seventy six thousand, and then randomly I got
an email today that was like, congrats on your bitcoin sale.
And I was like, oh, another scam, stupid uh And
I looked at the from A and I'm like, that's

(04:00):
a very convincing coin base email. Then I go into
the coinbase app and it's like, yeah, you sold because
your your cell order finally went through, like it hit
the price target you hit. And I was like, oh, okay,
I guess I'm out a bitcoin.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
But I mean, I listen the markets, man, It's weird
because markets are responding. We have to we have to
talk about it. We have to talk about the Trump
thing for a second. And in the context of EV's.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
What did he do now?

Speaker 5 (04:31):
I haven't hasn't he gotten enough of the spotlight this week?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
God? No, Literally, we're just getting started. We thought, yeah,
you thought.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
But markets are responding well to the election, so which
I mean EV Marke Tesla for sure, even the S
and P five hundreds responding well.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Tesla is the only EV stock that's doing well.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
I'm talking well, I'm talking about Tesla because we're a
Tesla centric focused channel.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
And yeah, Rivian's down eight percent, down.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Five brother, Rivian's never coming up.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
How dare you? I thought you were the guy.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
I'm rooting for them, but I'm not buying anymore. I'm
done with EV stocks.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Listen, I'm done, especially now that now that we know Trump,
now that Trump is definitively going to be in the
White House, I'm not holding my breath for any of
U E V startups. Aptera's f tell ft everybody, there's
no incentives anymore.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, we're going never had incentives they could have. No, no, no, no,
no no no.

Speaker 4 (05:45):
You will not give me that blind loyalty like you're
a like you're a MAGA supporter.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
No, I'm I'm not a mega supporter, But I'm just
arguing that Aptera has the most to gain from the
Trump administration more than anybody.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, I don't think any ev he is going to
do good.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
To be honest, all four wheel dv's got seventy five
dollars more expensive whenever the credit ends.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I don't know why would Elon do that? Why would
he shoot his It makes no sense. I want to understand.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Well, let me ask. We can start with Mike, so
Randy has some time to understand. Mike, why do you
think Tesla stock reacted so positively?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Well, stocks are typically based on emotion, based on financial incentives,
based off of whatever's going on politically, culturally, whatever with
the My my suspected I'm not an economist, but my

(06:51):
suspected estimation of this situation is that Trump winning is
Elon winning, and with Elon winning, there's more.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
There's a favoritism that's evident between Trump and Elon, and
with that may come some benefits to Tesla, But I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
When failing came to me, I said, you could get
on all fours and Baggie would have done it.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
That's yeah, that's what I think. When I see that,
I'm like.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
You obviously didn't listen to him praise him over his
rocket landing two weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Today, Oh you see the way he grabs the rocket.
I was like, wow, look at that rock, it's so big.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
You're right though, that he anytime people ask him about Elon,
he's much faster to talk about SpaceX than Tesla mm hm.
And I think it's because SpaceX is a better, like well,
I don't know about better, but SpaceX is an easy,
like inoffensive American success story.

Speaker 5 (08:02):
No one else can do it.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Rockets. Rockets are cool, They're amazing. Elon's rockets are great,
but he's still got a lot of big oil and
you know, gas car fans that are supporting him. So
whenever Tesla gets mentioned, he's like, oh, yeah, I guess
they're cool, but he doesn't want to talk much about

(08:25):
the cars. So like that, That's what I'm confused by,
is like the market obviously is acting positively, and yes, uh,
Elon and Trump definitely seem like friends, but there's nothing
Trump has talked about doing that I see really benefiting
Tesla other than maybe pushing down their competitors more. But

(08:46):
I don't know that. To me, that's like, what's a
good analogy. It's it'd be kind of like saying Tesla
has an advantage during the Trump second term is like saying, uh,
Shaquille O'Neal has an advantage during a flood, like because

(09:10):
he's taller. He's taller than everybody else, so he'll do great.
It's like, uh, but the water is still rising, Like
you still don't want to be in the flood, Like.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
We're all drowning.

Speaker 6 (09:24):
It's just up to his calf, you know, like you
just bit into a hot wing man. I don't know, listen,
it's just a matter of First of all, Mike, congratulations.
I'm hoping you walked away with profits on uh in

(09:46):
your pocket and you didn't like just sell out a
break even point.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
I like, I'm happy for Tesla that the sock is
doing good today. I think it's completely emotional. It's going
to recalibrate and adjust. But this is literally my point
why I got out even on even on the high highs.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
It it's kind of like it's kind of being bipolar
with a stock.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
When it drops, it drops hard, and when it rises,
it rises really high.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
So it has extreme highs and extreme lows. It's just
too volatile. I'm not interested, and like.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Which is trippy for a company that big for the
right nine hundred billion dollar market cap, the fact that
it'll go up fifteen percent in the day is kind
of kind of miraculous, but.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
It's uncomfortable, Like we didn't see these types of skyrocketing
daily adjustments since what the start of this whole AI
phen phenomenon with Nvidia and stuff like that, and like
even then, in my opinion, I feel like all this
stuff is just to overbloat it in general. So Tesla,

(10:48):
I think, in my humblest opinion, is overvalued. But I
mean everybody who's trying to get something, like people like Mike,
because you only make money when you sell it. So
people who are catching out on the high more more
power to you, and people who are holding onto it
because they think that well this is just the beginning.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I more power to you.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Like I don't hold the stock individually, but I hold
it as an index fund.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
It's in a lot of my index funds and those
are performing well too, So like as Americans. We're winning.
I don't care, but.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
It's just it's so weird how a single stock can
just do this just based off.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Of well, it wasn't even a coin flip. I was
about to say coin flip, but it really wasn't because
because I was big numbers, huge numbers.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
I know what's at numbers, so positively for really nothing.
Trump has said guarantees Tesla anything.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
No, he can. He can literally say, I'm not putting
you in. We're not going to do a DOGE Department
of whatever. We're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
But even then, okay, let's say they do the Department
of Government Efficiency or whatever they want to call it.
That's stupid, by the way, but okay, they do it.
How does elon cutting government spending benefit Tesla? I don't.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
No direct benefit. All this could potentially mean is less
profit margins if the tax credit goes away, and I
guess that could mean killing off their competitors. But Tesla
never saw the competitors as a threat, right, So what's
the no.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
His Their goal is to have everybody transition to renewable
efficient vehicle like.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
Doesn't sound like it anymore now, it sounds like no,
because we have to dominate the whole industry.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
E Tesla are one in the same. It's not Tesla
the company, it's Elon the person. They are one and
the same.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Nobody cares they do. Just make it there, you go,
Just do it, and they'll probably do it. And he'll
try somehow.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
He'll put X in there as well, and a letter
X just for the you know, you know, he's his weird.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
His weird autistic fascination with the or X. I'll never understand.
But but he's a genius, Like I get it. He's
done great things as a businessman that it speaks for itself.

Speaker 4 (13:08):
It just makes no sense, and I don't want to
I don't wanna f with my money like that.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
So I'm just gonna observe, as you know, and I promise.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
This, this won't be the whole episode. I promise if
you're sick of this. But I just want to double
down because I'm probably ticking off both sides of the
political aisle. But the number of people that we're so
happy to line up I'm not gonna name names because
I don't want to start drama, but the number of
people that we're so happy to brag about Tesla getting

(13:41):
tax credits and now Tesla getting the point of sale
tax credit, and oh, now the cyber truck is gonna
get the seventy five. I'm gonna wait to buy my
cyber truck until it gets the tax credit. To see
all those people following Elon and who to vote for
and who they're endorsing, and who's gonna fix the country,

(14:02):
Like this was not a Republican idea. Just to be clear,
this was not the Trump administration could have done the
first time an EV tax credit, and they chose not to,
and it wasn't really a thing until Biden came around,
and Tesla benefited massively from these credits, and the Tesla

(14:25):
community as a whole was very happy to brag and
boast about those tax credits and say, yeah, we get
the credits. Oh I want a cheaper cyber truck. I
want a cheaper model. Wife to see them all say like, oh,
get out of that administration. I'm like, you directly benefited
a lot, both Tesla as a community and the individual

(14:45):
owners buying those vehicles. You all benefited substantially from the
outgoing administration. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying they
were perfect. I'm just saying the hypocrisy is it reeks.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
It's so it's it's such a culture war thing that
I'm like, guys, it like people are willing to go
against their own self interests to.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Have a one up on something and completely like we
we have TikTok brain. They only care about what happened
in the last fifteen seconds. They don't.

Speaker 7 (15:19):
We do have the text credit tax credit stupid, and
Tesla will be fine without the When does the cyber
truck get it?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
All I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
All I'm saying is that, in my opinion, like by
all means, I hope the Trump administration proves us wrong
for EV's. I just there's nothing that says that it will.
They've actively said we're gonna get rid of these mandates
and and these you know, timelines, We're gonna get rid
of them. So in in my takeaway from this, we

(15:54):
just delayed the transition of evs.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yes, I agree, we've definitely slown it down a lot. Yeah,
but yeah, that doesn't mean that evs are dead. It
doesn't mean that gas cars are going to be the
rage again, and that the Dodge charger immediately is going
to get gas version today. No, it's going to take
some time for that product to come out, But yeah,

(16:24):
I think they're right. That's the beauty of governments, though,
is that they it's hard to completely eliminate something because
there's still somewhat of a free market, even though that
you can tear off everything. So the way we get
more expensive devices now, like things that we order from
Apple or from Kia that aren't built in America are

(16:48):
going to cost more, but that doesn't mean that they're
completely outlawed. That doesn't mean that they're completely wiped from
the board. It's so a lot harder to attain with that.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
I feel that the reason why Elon did this is
because maybe he's hedging his bet that do away with
the tax credit, take away the incentive of everyone having
to do this lower competition, and he just bought himself
at least four more years of Tesla still being the
best selling vehicle, best crossover, best everything. And even if

(17:25):
that means it's a little bit more more of a premium,
they still get to hold their crown for four more
years and bet on, you know, the next whatever administration
is to come after that.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm just saying they pulled up that ladder so fast.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Heck, yes they did.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
You know, Tesla was going bankrupt, very close to bank
during the Obama administration, and they bailed them out with
the Department of Energy loan and yeah, Tesla paid it
back early in all, but still they needed that loan,
They needed that lifeline. And I feel like Elon today
would not would not support that at all. If the

(18:05):
federal government was like, oh, should we bail out Rivan,
or should we bail out Loose or another EV company?
Should we make it easier for them to develop EV's,
He'd be like, uh, No, We're fine. We don't need
we don't need those other companies because Tesla can be
the sole the sole EV brand. Basically, It's like they
climbed up that ladder and then they pulled it right

(18:27):
back up. They're like, nah, Tesla's fine now, but it
got a lot of government help. Uh. And I know that.
You know, Biden was outspoken against Tesla, but I think
most of most of the Biden administration's attacks on Tesla
were very pr It wasn't financial. It was like, you're

(18:51):
not at the EV summit or Mary you led you
know the problem thos kinds of comments.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
The problem with what happened about someone who's he who
was always a Democratic supporter, uh being Elon and the
fallout with the Biden administration is that, from from what
I've researched, it has nothing to do with Tesla the
company or even Elon the person.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
It was that Biden's administration is very pro union.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
And Elon isn't, and that cost friction since COVID, since
the end of COVID, and that budding heads like Elon
took this very personal. That's why he was like vote
like your life depends on it and all this whole
you know, hyperbology.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Because just financially they helped Tesla the most.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
They took care of him these last four years.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
They got more subsidiation from the EV Text credit than
any other company because they delivered more EV's than anybody else.
So I'm like, yeah, it's it's annoying that Biden wasn't
jumping up and down and praising you for being the
ev leader, but financially speaking, he helped you immensely. Yeah, Like,

(20:14):
I don't see how Trump necessarily more helpful other than just.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
There they're friends now at rallies their friends.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
I mean, I'll be listen, this is not the first time,
uh Trump, you know, rubbed shoulders with people.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
And then not that he's sat in the back. He
just sees the business or or whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
That's a politician thing.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I mean, look, he more than half of his original
cabinet was replaced. He fired them or they quit and
then he got new people. That's just Trump. Want know
what art of the deal? You know, he'll be like,
all right, this ain't working out.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Now it's the second term, so there's less there's less
pressure to be re elected.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
So oh yeah, this is gonna be So these four
years is going to be very interesting in regards to
the EV sector on exactly what is going to get.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Removed, what's going to get repeat.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
What's gonna come, what's going to come into the market
and be a popular segment, versus what's not going to
be interesting towards feels.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Not only is Tesla going to just remain have its
rain as the number one EV, but I feel like
people who aren't ready to make that transition yet and
there's now there's no forcing or incentive to do it.
I feel like it might be hybrids again. We're going
to be just get more hybrids and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
In my opinion, I think we're going to be a
lot more of that.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
In fact, we did see that, unfortunately was it a
day after our last podcast and then we missed last week.
Scout finally released, or at least unveiled. There are two
products that they're going to be going forward with, the
Traveler and the Terra. The Traveler being like the was
it the Scout out too, and the Terra being something

(22:02):
like what they made later in their life before they
went under about forty plus years ago. And they have
a gas generator option, which pretty much is just a
hybrid where you can stick an engine in the back.
It takes up a little bit of the space for
the battery, so it's a smaller battery, and yet you
can get five hundred miles of range according to them,

(22:24):
even though the product's not coming out until twenty twenty
seven according to them. But yeah, hybrids will become a
lot more interesting under most likely this uh this presidency.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Is it safe to have gas in the back?

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Well, you mean it's I have gas in the back
all the time. What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (22:50):
What? What was the problem with the Ford Pinto. They
got it intro.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
I prefer black bean.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
Oh my gosh, Oh is this a serious question? Drew on, like,
what's dangerous about gas? Or are you just no?

Speaker 1 (23:08):
He's asking is it safe to have the gas in
the back?

Speaker 5 (23:12):
Okay, already in the back?

Speaker 2 (23:14):
The history that do you know about the Ford Pinto?
Have you heard of it?

Speaker 5 (23:19):
I've not done that much research on the Ford Pinto.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Okay, I know it, so I'm reading it now. My
dad actually owned one. Maybe that's why I know it
more than most. It's kind of an obscure auto reference.
But reading about it now, I looked up you know
what was wrong? What was wrong with the Ford Pinto?
It came out in nineteen seventy it may It faced

(23:43):
a major controversy due to its fuel tank design. The
positioning of the fuel tank made the vehicle susceptible to
rupture and explode upon rear end collisions, so that, I
guess would be My concern with putting a gas generator
on the rear is like, how does that perform in
a rear end collision? Well?

Speaker 5 (24:05):
Sure, I'm not too sure. Where the for the harvester
version of the Scout, which is the extended or general
extend range gas generator version of it, the hybrid version.
I'm not too sure where the tank is particularly, but
I know that the engines in the back, with the
engine being the back, which is an interesting choice. I

(24:26):
guess there is rear engined vehicles, but with like a
an suv and a truck. Mm hmm the that will
be And also what even engine are they going to choose.
Is it gonna be something from VW's catalog, Is it
going to be a Porsche engine or something like that,
or are they going to have to make something new

(24:46):
for this product? What that layout is going to look like.
I would think that the gas tank sits between the
engine and the battery, so somewhere right behind the cabin.
But these are decently sized vehicles from what I've seen
as their dimensions. Yeah, I figure that there's a lot

(25:10):
of space that will buffer uh a collision from impact
and or intrusion into that tank.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I hope, so, yeah, I would hope. So, oh, thank
god they finally updated the dimensions.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
You can see this while on video side of things,
these things are pretty much it's a little bit bigger
than the Ribbean's right.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, they're pretty big. That's wait, what does that say?
Cab to bumper? So it's a seventy one into bed.

Speaker 5 (25:46):
Well, it's cab to bumper. You you have to subtract
a little bit to get to what the bed is
because get there that measurement with They have some interesting
choices for measurements. The first measurements that they put here
two weeks ago was only one dimension for the wid Yeah,
one dimension for the one and then wheelbase and height

(26:09):
and that was kind of it. Yeah, surmise based off
of that what that looks like when comparing it to
everything else. I believe this is at least for the Terra,
it's bigger than an R one t But for the uh.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, two twenty nine, that's that's pretty much. Uh. I
think that's longer than a cyber truck.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Yeah, it's prettretty much. I think the same size as
my ram, if not bigger. And then for the Traveler,
I believe that's the same size as R one S
or something a little bit bigger than it. Yeah, yeah,
but I think the thing I don't know, Randy, if

(26:52):
you caught the announcement of this, well, they don't even
show it in this image. Uh, I haven't actually cooked
around this website too much.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I know they got a lot of renders, don't they.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
There's a lot of renders, but that let me grab
an image somewhere, but they offer not just a typical
interior in this thing.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Let me gas screen.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
They better. I mean, this is VW's ribbon.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
Oh man, gosh, how come there's no images of this thing.
I'm gonna grab it from someone's video.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
But already scrapped it from the internet, like no one
can see folding flat that were like wait a second,
never mind.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah new.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
And of course, but the thing that I love, and
that's something that I wished came with the cyber truck.
And of course, now hindsight whatever, it wasn't gonna happen,
and it didn't happen. But with Scout, uh.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
There it is.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Straywrig Everything got to go inside this thing. It's a
bench seat, say another bench Yeah, first TV. Well, I
guess we don't know if it's gonna be the first
TV with a bench seat because it's not coming out
until twenty twenty seven, but who I would love if
that is an option to go forward with, because it's

(28:25):
something that we haven't seen in the EV space yet
and fitting six people in there without having to make
it a very long vehicle, I think is a pretty
good idea and allows you to do a lot of
stuff with the interior, whether you want your dogs with
you or you want to store a lot more stuff
up in the front with you. It just it unlocks

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a lot more than just having a giant center console
sitting there that maybe holds a few knickknacks that you
carry around with you and you never really open it.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, I can't do anything with a bench.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
I gotta be able to turn around and reach in
the back give some goldfish to my kid or something.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Can we can? How cool would it be if we had?
I bet the X does this though, doesn't it? No
center console?

Speaker 4 (29:18):
Just have that spot open, easy to walk back there
like you're a pilot, like.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
A was it VD vwid buzz.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I was gonna say, you're describing the id buzz so
my love so much.

Speaker 4 (29:32):
My uh sister in law's boyfriend works as a twice
removed works for VW as a mechanic.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
And in law she has a boyfriend. But I don't
understand the relation, which is very important for the rest
of the story.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I know, but my sister in law's boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
If she's okay, never mind, I get it. My wife's
stir Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (30:03):
Her boyfriend got it.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Is a mechanic for VW.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Literally yesterday, literally yesterday, he got trained on how to
service the ID buzz and he was sending in our
little family group chat. He was sending all these photos
and stuff, and he was showing all the he had
a a second like a second version of the pre
production model that.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
He was working on, and that's early.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
Yeah, but evidently all the mechanical parts are pretty much
the same, which is why they use that as training.
But he was showing all he was the short and
skinny of it. Is that like very spacious inside, very open.
He was sending his photos of that, and it's.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
Got the biggest third row then all the other vehicles
on the market.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
But apparently the third row, that third row doesn't get
any Like the front row gets ventilated and heated seats,
the second row gets heated seats, third row gets nothing.

Speaker 5 (31:07):
It gets uh, cup holders, the second road doesn't get
a cup holders.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Man, cup holder? Well, what do I care? I always
be in the front and.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Then why do you care?

Speaker 1 (31:19):
About the heated seats in the nod well, because I
like to care about my passengers.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Michael, except that they have cup holders.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
They don't need. Nobody needs to be drinking in.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
My car, feeding the kids goldfish.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
My kid does not count. He has royalty.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
But are you Plebeians get to sit there and watch?
Maybe if you're lucky, you can smell his breath.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
You Well, Okay, I understand the most controversial news of
the week is about the idy buzz. But I have
this big question that I've been waiting to ask Mike
all these weeks, which is that, And I'm glad Randy's
here to witness this. Would you take a Scout ev

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over a Rivian And why? Well?

Speaker 5 (32:13):
Rivin exists today the Scout does not exist yet, so
kind of hard to judge based off of it.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
That argument aside, just assuming they're both.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Out, Okay, they're both out. Scout seems to from what
they've unveiled. It seems like it's working on riving zonal architecture,
so you've got the reading interior or the software working
with you.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
They shared as many components as possible with that zonal architecture.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
I mean, it's like an r one T.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Some people say that I don't necessarily see much of it.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Well, I've never been inside an R one T, so
I kin of go off of these video clips.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Its hilarious that you still haven't and you live in Colorado.
But I digress because I have more, you know what. Okay,
I like the style of I love the style of
the Scouts a lot bigger. I think they nailed it

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with the design. It's a both traditional but modern take
in the front holder in the front and all that.
Also a air compressor as well. This video, by the way,
is from Fodra and Alley.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
She got some She actually owns a Scout a Scout too,
and so she was invited out as a member of
the community to check it out, which I thought was
really great for the people who picked up this brand. Uh,
to invite these communities out who owned the vehicles and
service the vehicles still to see what's coming. I think

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to answer your question, Drew.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Please, I'm dying here. I want to know what you're
going to pick.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
It's a tough answer.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
So you thought procrastinating would help?

Speaker 5 (34:02):
Yeah, I know. I was hoping that i'd make a
decision by the time I got here.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
There's just so much overlap. I feel like in.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
You can't tell me that doesn't look like an R
one t.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I mean they're both normal looking trucks. Now either of
them look like a cyber truck or a Tello, which
are like the only unique looking pickup trucks. Everything else
is the same generic. But there's no gear tunnel.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
There's no gear tunnel. But there's no.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
Glear tunnel now for the newer models.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
There's a gear tunnel on the new ones.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
No, they did away with it. I thought, oh, they
just got a little kitchen.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
The kitchen was never a thing.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
The gear tunnel has never gone anywhere. It's still there.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
No, they got rid of the kitchen.

Speaker 4 (34:48):
Then I remember the whole outdoor kitchen.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Was never.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
The kitchen either.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I am talking about ribbing by the way.

Speaker 5 (34:57):
Yeah, the kitchen was never a thing. With our and Tea.
They tried to make it work and then they were
having trouble, and it seems like what they're going to
do is regress on the gear tunnel kitchen and they're
going to just put it on the back as a
tailgate option.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
My whole life's a lie, Okay, Mike, no more procrastinating.
Tell me what do you pick and why that's a Rivian.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
I think I know the answer and why, well.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
I want to hear Mike. He's just dragging it because
he's he.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Bridge say it. Mike, I know what I have to do,
but I don't have to strength to do it.

Speaker 5 (35:38):
But so here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Here, we freaking go.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
I love the Scouts. Look, I love what Rivian stands for.
They're both fantastic takes on an evy truck and SUV.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
You're not running for office, Mike, I want an answer.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
Some people say that I.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Was mister vice president elect, I would say.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I'd say I got mainly because I love what they've
done with the utility around this thing.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I have lost all respect for you.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
It gives me the space that I already want slash
need in a truck.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
You mean invisible land because it doesn't exist.

Speaker 5 (36:32):
But the argument was that it does exist.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
That's a different debate. That's a different thing.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Yeah it doesn't, Okaye, retractable weird window. Rivian doesn't have that.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
That's true that they actually have cells.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
Look at this next port right here. Look you got
the next port. I like that plugs right there. I
think that's awesome. And look the tail light comes through
this bodywork right here, right next to give.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Me three hours to learn how to see GI something
and I'll give you something cool for Rivian.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Okay, But it's got a five point five foot bed
which is a little bit, well yeah, foot and a
half bigger than Rivian's and offers LED lighting in there
as well, and a retractable footback luss and all that. Yeah,
but it does matter, bigger, bigger. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Does this surprise? None of those retractable rear windows have
made it to any other electric truck.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
It hasn't been something worthwhile yet. But I guess with
all the money that VW is dumping into this brand,
it seems like that will be.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Does that mean it's going to be a part of
an electrify America.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Mmmm, Well, it's gotten x as uh, it's base port,
and so I would think that has to Well, I
guess they already did say it. They're going to offer ANAX.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
But you'll never have to go there. You can just
supercharge it every time if you want.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:00):
I think the fact that it has Rivian's ZAL architecture
with it.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
It literally runs Rivian software. I think.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
Is because this offers some other things that I want
in a pickup slash SUV that Rivian doesn't right now.
And weren't you just saying that Rivin is gonna go
bankrupt or something like that.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
They're all going to go bankrupt.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
But according to Drew, these aren't the stipulation, so we
have to pretend everything.

Speaker 5 (38:27):
Is underneath the legacy auto company that is supporting it.
So they're not going to go away as easily as
a startup because they're not acting like a startup. They're
like Polestar with Volvo. Volvo is supporting Polestar in their
effort to become a company. Same thing with Scout and VW.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, they have a fallback income with gas vehicles, whereas
Rivian doesn't really.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
Which is why Rivian is more likely to succeed, because
when you're a jack of all trades, you're a master
of none.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
That's what I give Tesla. Tesla put it all on
all on black and they said, here we go.

Speaker 4 (39:10):
One of this guess they put it all on orange
and they said here we go, and they the roulette.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
So that was Randy. What was your reaction then to
the Scout unveiling because at least mine, I was screaming
out loud in my car listening to the unveil as
I drove home over the fact that they have a
bench seat. I'm very excited over all the things that
they announced this thing. Granted, we don't know what's going
to look like at the end of the rainbow. I
was very happy to see what they were striving to

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achieve with the brand.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
I didn't watch the event.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I linked it to you that night.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
That doesn't mean I watched it, Okay, watched what what?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
What? What day did this happen? What day was it?

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Two weeks ago? On Thursday?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
So oh, my trouble seems so far away that.

Speaker 5 (40:03):
Someday that was such a yesterday twenty four.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
I was like, oh, another EV start up. Cool, let's
talk about.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
That text credits. No, I didn't watch. I didn't watch
whatever you linked to me. In fact, I probably didn't
even get the link, if I'm being honest.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
So yeah, I'm watching it right here for the first
time and see what you guys talk about.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
But here's the thing, here's the thing. I'm just so
jaded right now. I don't know if the EV community
is gonna be this vibrant. Okay, so Volkswagon's gonna just
kind of we're looking at a concept.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Guess what Drew works for a concept. It's all concepts.
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
I would put.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I know and I and I the.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Yber truck was a concept. Now it's the third best
selling EV.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Cyber truck by the time the ann now cyber truck
Tesla was profitable.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
So no, these guys. Here's the thing. I rather the
enthusiast in me of the EV space.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
If we're talking just about, you know, concepts, I would
put all my money behind a TELEW truck before I
would have Volkswagon because I trust an all electric company first,
Before I would trust Volkswagon or Vovo with post Star
or any I just I have.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
In the past. I have a large fan of VW.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
I am, but not for their evs. I just I
was a customer. I used them. They're they're good vehicles
nine German nine. They're very good engineering. It's it's just
I liked I liked my my Jetta that I had.
It was a good car. It was a very good car.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
I just I wasn't emostly attached to it the way
I am. The model three for an EV. I trust
an all EV company first to get it right. I mean,
how many legacy auto makers show you something proof of
concept and then production it doesn't look the same, I e.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
The I D buzz. They're I E I D buzz.
Sure change it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
I don't think that the truck is going to look
like that. But I do trust Tello, I trust app Tara,
I trust I trust the the actual non fall back
legacy companies that are trying to actually make a dent
in the EV universe.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
I have that you take a little bit more comfort
in with this brand. Is that a lot of the
interviews that went on after the unveiling revealed that Scout
or no VW is pretty much hands off with Scout.
They're pretty much just letting them do what they're going
to do and they're going to provide the support where
they need it.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
So this is very much like Vovo.

Speaker 5 (43:05):
This is very much like Volvo and Polestar. They're letting
them do what they're going to do and they'll provide
whatever support that they can when they're in.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
It's direct to consumer and it starts to consumer.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
They're not using dealerships, which is making a lot of
these dealerships very angry to where they start because of it.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
They might get sued.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Darn too bad. I mean, CEO of what far Ley,
he tried to he try to have a direct to consumer.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Initiative.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
It just didn't work out. But okay, so all right,
all right.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
If they are hands off and they're just more or
less an investor, no different than Amazon with Rivian or
Volvo with Polestar, then I will be cautiously optimistic.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
But what's their timeline?

Speaker 4 (43:52):
What what are we what's the ETA of of these vehicles?

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Twenty twenty seven is what they announced as these vehicles launch.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
So much is going to change between now.

Speaker 5 (44:05):
And then exactly, which is something that I that's my
one maybe not criticism, but at least skepticism with it.
Is people say, oh, this is going to kick the
pants off of Rivian, But this is Rivian launching Rivians
many many years later after another company has produced the

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same vehicles.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
Pretty much Rivian will be dead in the water by
twenty twenty seven, or they're going to be completely sustainable
by then. It's one or the other by twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (44:34):
And that's the beauty of it is that by the
time that Scout comes to production, the R two will
be in production and we'll see whether they're able to
float or not.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
And then also along with that, the r IREI will
hopefully becoming a production.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
I just had this, Aha, I see what RJ's doing.
If Rivian's dead in the water, they're just going to
go work for a Scout. Then they're just going to
port all the software and be a division of that.
I mean, because that looks like an R one t
Get out of my face that that's an R one
right there.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
You guys think RJ knew about this when they signed
the contract?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Aw yes, absolutely I do.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
They probably don't think he would have thought twice about it,
like so what are you gonna use this for? And
they just show like carbon cut copies of the R one.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
T R They will copy my homework. Don't make you
look obvious?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Interesting? Interesting choice.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
This is the Steve jobs Bill Gates both going to
Xerox and then they'll be like, well, you know Steve,
and then he just takes his idea of the gooy
interface anyway, and you know are both you know, listen, great.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Artists copy, no good artists copy.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Great artists steel, so who's designs because right now all
I see is riving all over this thing. But if
they're dead in the water by twenty twenty seven, then
it's really not gonna matter by then. So yeah, so
much is going to happen back to your thing, Mike,
between now and twenty twenty seven. I will be caustiously optimistic,
but that is such a an ev and tech space.

(46:09):
Twenty twenty seven is is a millennium away.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
Yeah, And even with that, I'm trying to find.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
The presidential campaign will be happening in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
That's how far away it is.

Speaker 6 (46:26):
Like, think about that, We're not we're not even technically
done with this one and it's over, but we still
have the Biden administration.

Speaker 10 (46:32):
There's gonna be a whole different campaign by twenty twenty seven.
That's that's how far away this this uh intent to
launch date is assuming everything's flawless between now and then,
So that's a lot.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
That's a lot of time. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
I think the one other concern that I have is
that VW is pouring a lot of money into these
two companies, because they're they're giving Rivian one billion dollars
every year due to this deal, and they're also putting
a lot of money into Scout to make these things happen.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Do you not think Drew that RJ would have gone
with this deal otherwise you think he was withheld some information.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I think they would have thought. I think RJ would
have thought twice if he saw this, Like I I don't.
I feel like it's almost directly targeted at Rivian. It's
very little differences if it weren't for the gas generator
and there it is a bench seat. This is I mean,

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there's so much overlap between the two that like, yeah,
I feel like RJ would go, h Okay. Maybe he
didn't have a choice. Maybe he was like, we need
the money, so this is gonna be a little risky.
But honestly, I think Rivian is is very much dependent
on brand power right now as far as like in

(47:58):
house proprietary very technology. Yeah, Rivian doesn't have much if
I'm being honest. Got the self driving stuff, you know,
Aptera's got the soul or the efficiency stuff, and Tello
is all about the size efficiency. What what's Rivian? What
what's their stick what's their tech?

Speaker 1 (48:19):
First first EV truck to market?

Speaker 2 (48:22):
But that's a milestone.

Speaker 5 (48:23):
That's not power powers. What's it called higher score than
Subaru in terms of satisfaction and.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
It's not nothing are.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Brent power is extremely powerful. But all I'm saying is like,
as far as their battery pack is concerned, there's not
really anything special proprietary there. Their their power trains, aren't.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
They have one of the most one of the most
richest companies in the world backing them right now, that's
pretty proprietary.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, you could argue Lucid has more, Scout has that
as well.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Lucid is is definitely number one right there, I said one,
but nothing comes close to that.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Saudi money.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Loucid, I'm convinced is artificially will always be around.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Again.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Interests Lucid after Trump won, They're like, anyways, where's my check?
I'm ready for my stimulus.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Check, not my stemmy.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Here's the data I was looking for earlier. This is
provided by Reaving Updates, who got it from some environmental
protection agency or some of it. Anyways, the idea for
the Georgia plant right is to get everything squared up
and ready to go or breaking ground twenty twenty six

(49:59):
and actually getting ballided and saleable production in twenty twenty seven,
twenty twenty eight. Oh and that's for R two plus
R three.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
For George, twenty twenty eight is going to be an
amazing year.

Speaker 5 (50:17):
Well, two reasons.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
We'll have a different president and the R three will
be coming up.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
H R three is probably the more exciting thing.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Who knows if I gets delayed though drew compared or
due to our current president. There's a lot of push
against VW because of our administration most likely, and they
may not be able to gush that much money out
for two brands that they're paying billions of dollars to.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Ya Ribbean got a lot of state funding at least.
And the R one products are not very tax credit dependent.
They're too expensive right, Very very few ARE one vehicles
actually qualify for the tax credits. So even if the
tax credit's gone, I don't think much will change for
the R one. The only problem is it's not very

(51:08):
profitable already, so hopefully they can get the R one
vehicles profitable. I've been seeing people with the new Trimax.
Is the new interior on the trybacks, the Yeah, that's it.
That color of wood is so good. It might be

(51:28):
my favorite interior of any vehicle right now. It's so beautiful.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
I agree, that's gorgeous looking.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
That's one I'd be curious of your thoughts on it, Mike.
That's one issue I have with the Scout Motors interior.
I understand wanting to have physical controls so that you
can keep your eyes on the road. I'm not saying
that's a bad thing, But when you have like twelve

(51:56):
physical buttons in a row beneath the display, I feel
like that kind of feats the point.

Speaker 5 (52:04):
Yeah, I think so. A lot of those buttons are
more redundant for climate control and all that.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, let's see if But when there's that many buttons,
you're not gonna have muscle memory for them. You're not
gonna have like muscle memory for like I would think.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
You will, at least I feel like you would.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (52:25):
Like, oh, the cool slash heeated seats for the passenger
or whatever are on the right side. I guess you're
not really messing with those because a lot of these
are meant for the passengers in which the driver gets
most of their controls on the steering wheel.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Can we talk about buttons really quickly?

Speaker 4 (52:46):
I feel like we're seeing the readjustment of buttons, and
things are kind of reacclimating again. We went from too
many buttons to a very minimalistic design for many years
to now there's buttons. There's physical buttons coming back again,
and I think it's it's in response to all this
screen screen only technology that we've been seeing come to

(53:11):
EVS and Tesla being one extreme of the spectrum, and
then something like legacy auto being on the other when
it comes to just user control input, I think buttons
have a certain I don't know the right I don't

(53:33):
know the right word is, but there's a level of
necessity to have tactile feedback because I saw this.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
I'm pretty sure I saw a video.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I don't think I read a report or anything like that,
but I saw this video that people were making this
speculation of sorts that like having no buttons didn't make
it safer for drivers with eyes on the road because
they had to break contact with the roads to look
where they're depth. Whereas like when we can feel for something,
we click, we can turn, and you're still pretty you

(54:06):
could drive pretty confidently just still staring at the road,
And so bringing some buttons back felt like more of
a necessity, not just the legal requirements like a hazard,
but then also having a more comfortable experiences as the
driver or the operator of the vehicle.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
So I've been thinking about this for a while.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I think we're going to see an influx of many,
many buttons that may be closer to or even a
little bit more dramatic than what you would get on
the higher end testas like a model S or X
that you're going to get more.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Of a.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Is it a property called a hybrid with screen and buttons,
but ultimately having redundancy, having redundancy so that way you
choose to do whatever makes you the most comfortable, giving
you more options because it's not like oh it's cheaper
just to do this or the others like it's not really.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
That big of a deal.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
But I think objectively from what I was gathering, my
takeaway from this this video I saw was that people
who are a little bit more on the fence about
going to EV's are more intimidated about the about the
operation of the vehicle than they are being open minded
about using battery technology. They're like, no, it's just it's
it's too bare. It's kind of intimidating and it's like

(55:25):
you need to work your way up to a tesla,
you need to work your way up to legendary mode
before you just hit the ground running. And some people
feel more comfortable having a more tactile, more uh, that's
more familiar experience.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
That is crazy, that's too much.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
That's a lot of box switches on the driver's side,
left side of the dash.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
You know what, maybe maybe as a comfort, give them
buns that don't do anything just so they can fidget,
spin or something, you know, give give them something like that.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Give me. I don't think it's a bad idea. I
think Scout probably rightfully was like if we did exactly
what Rivian did, that would be a little annoying. But
they're they're kind of like Rivian, but a little bit
more legacy, both in the way the companies set up
financially being supported by BW, but also in design, like
we still have a little bit of gas which I

(56:18):
don't like. We still have some physical buttons which I
don't like. But again, they shouldn't do just what I want.
They do what there's a market for. But yeah, it
should be mentioned that, yeah, a lot of people like buttons,
but statistically speaking at least sales wise, based on today,
there's a lot of evidence to suggest that people would

(56:39):
rather have just a cheaper EV even if there's less buttons,
like that's all that. Well, that's what they're selling, so well,
even though they have very little buttons, it's not stopping people. Well.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
The interesting thing is that they claim that entry models
start as low as fifty thousand.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Who knows that it's actually available and.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
Know why price starts under sixty k?

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So I would shut up about incentives if I was,
if I was working at an VK.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
But even so, the fact that they are trying to
target sixty thousand dollars and they're supported by yeah, and
they're supported by a traditional legacy auto company, I would
think that they're going to get close, even though it
might be maybe sixty five or sixty nine thousand dollars. Uh,

(57:33):
that's not bad for something that's supposed to be a
competitor to a r ON and T and r n S,
which I think starts a little bit higher than that.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
If I recall, oh, yeah, no, much higher, I would
say they're usually north of seventy thousand.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
Yeah, the dual standard is seventy five Yeah, so they're
making sure I'm not substantially more.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Though to be fair, all the rns's are seven seaters
by default, and I don't think they're mentioning seven seaters
at all for the Scout.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
No, because I don't think they've got space in there.
They're targeting. From what we can see in these images
because I'm zoomed in as much as I can be,
the max that they could probably take is six people
with a bench seat in the front and the back.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
That's pretty good. I mean, not quite seven, but if
you only got two rows and you can fit seven,
that's that's decent. I mean six, sorry, six six people.

Speaker 5 (58:37):
I mean that's what I already fit in my RAM.
And I think that's why I'm a little bit more
comfortable with it, is that it's just like my RAM,
but an EV. And also, if we want, we can
opt for the gas generator. And yeah, it's now pretty
much a hybrid. It's a little bit more complicated in
terms of repair and servicing and all that, but it

(58:58):
can go five hundred miles off is exactly what we
already have, and it's a lot more efficient, costs double
than what we paid, but there's a lot more modern
aesthetics to it that we would enjoy in value compared
to what's in our current truck.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Maybe you can answer me this because I'm still unsure
how the gas generator works. If the generator is like empty,
there's no gas in it, and the battery pack is
almost dead, like zero percent, could I just take it
to a gas station? Yes, gas it up and get
five hundred miles without ever touching a DC fast charger.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
I don't think you get five hundred miles. I think
so what they're claiming is five hundred miles in combination
of a full battery and a full tank of gas,
and which that might be hard to achieve, right because
you have to start somewhere with a full tank of
or a full charge of something.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
How you got to stop it fast charges and gas station?

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
Well you don't have to. But so here's the That's
where I'm a lot more interested in these. I think
they're called serial hybrids, is how that system works with
a gas generator. Is the gas generator always on? Does
it kick on after a certain percentage? Like, what's the

(01:00:21):
deal with this generator? Why does it turn on? What's
the RPMs on it? As the battery depletes because it
doesn't have to vary it's RPMs much, which is great
for that because it means that the engine is not
going to need a lot of maintenance because it's not
varying all the time, causing inefficiencies as well. So that

(01:00:44):
is the question. But I would think you could probably
survive on this without feeling it up or without charging
it if you want to use it as either just
a gas car or just as an EV vehicle EV
vehicle electric vehicle vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, yeah, it's I feel the same way as I
did about the RAM charger. I'm like, Okay, I want
to see if there's demand for this type of thing,
because it's been talked about several times.

Speaker 5 (01:01:14):
I think was it over sixty where's the article? It's
like over sixty percent. There we go. Overwhelming reservations are
overwhelming me for the Harvester e REV that's what they're
gonna call it. I think it's over seventy percent. This
was reported on on Inside EV on the twenty eighth

(01:01:38):
of October.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
I'd love to know how many deposits they got. I'm
kind of a sucker for that.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
So I've entured their order information adopted for harvester.

Speaker 11 (01:01:48):
There were ten deposits. Yeah, there's only eight of them
were for the harvest. Oh wow, they've got a lot
of numbers here. Updated October twenty ninth. Let me zoom
in a little bit more for those that are actually watching.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Everybody's watching Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:02:04):
But top ten popular states is California, Texas, Florida, Colorado, Arizona, Washington, so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
The ones with the most people. That makes right. It
seems like most people wanted the bench seat.

Speaker 5 (01:02:19):
Yeah, which is great. And also I think this is
what makes me happy is you may not like the
gas generator, Drew, but this statistic it puts a smile
on my face showing that previously slash currently owning an event. Yes,
forty five percent is no. I mean that the majority
of the last story five here they.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Least a.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Yeah maybe so, but that would be captured in here, right,
So again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
It is an improvement.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
I like the fact that people are interested in this
thing and they don't own an EV.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Because I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
So I think my position on these extended range options
that we're seeing with Scout and RAM only opens the
door more for those that want to get into an EV,
like experience, even though it's not a full EV. It's
which is funny when they market it, it's a full
EV with a gas generator or an extend.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Yeah, don't use full oh less full of blooney, not
any more full than full self driving.

Speaker 5 (01:03:39):
But it only opens the gates more for those that
are interested in a vehicle like this and actually makes
transportation a lot more sustainable because they are plugging in
possibly more. And that's what that's our goal, right, is
to if we're aligning with this idea that Tesla's goals
to accelerate the adoption of sustainable transportation. I think it's

(01:04:03):
close to that. If we're wanting to become more sustainable
with our transportation practices, this is at least a great
gateway into it, and this might lead It's a I
want to say it's a gateway drug, but it's a
great way for people to an EVE without it's a
good analogy fully committing, and then they might be more

(01:04:24):
open to getting a bolt for very cheap and then
seeing that, oh, this isn't too different from my scout.
It's just I can't fuel it up with gas. But
that's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
It doesn't mean yeah, like Like I've said before that
there's two approaches to the problem of what if I'm
driving out in the middle of nowhere and I'm worried
about range and I'm worried about the like. The two
approaches are, well, we can build more charge stations so
that it becomes harder and harder to get to a
space where you couldn't charge or the gas generator out.

(01:05:00):
And I think Rivian is more of the company to say,
let's build more chargers. They Scout's the company that's like,
let's rely on the gas infrastructure.

Speaker 5 (01:05:09):
Yeah, which is okay. I mean they also said before
this or during this presentation that a lot of the
early viewers of this product were asking if they would
consider a gas generator, and they weren't. I mean, they
may be considered it at first, but they weren't going
to go forward with the idea. But they had so much,

(01:05:31):
so many comments on that that they reconsidered that and
decided later in the game for the design of this
vehicle to introduce that capability or that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
True are is this something you're even interested in a Scout?
Would you? Is that something you can see fitting your
life in your lineup? By twenty twenty seven. Are you
just observing the space?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
You're not going to like my answer, so I go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
No, no, no, I'm asking you on.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
I'm coming to you with good faith that you're not
going to lead me the wrong way.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
It's too big.

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
It's too big, the same dimensions of an R one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
S No, that's I mean the if I wanted an
suv or I was referring to the truck variant, but
if we're talking about the suv, I would much rather
have an R two. Sure, just because I like the
interior design more. I understand why some people want the

(01:06:32):
physical controls, but I'm more of a software guy. I'm like, nah,
I don't need more buttons. It's harder to clean, it's
more complexity, and I like efficiency as well. So honestly,
I there's still a decent chance I would get a
refreshed model. Why before I get an R two. I'm
a I'm a numbers guy, so I'm not even a
big SUV fan. It would more be my wife interested.

(01:06:54):
But I showed my wife the Scout vehicles and she
was like, what you expect me to have an opinion
on this? What do you think? She's like a Rivian
looks better. Oh wow, something like that. So she she
was not impressed. She thought they looked kind of AI generated.

Speaker 5 (01:07:12):
Well, yeah, it's still a concept with a lot of
the images, and they wanted to get a more cleaner
look with yeah what they're presenting rather than the prototype
that they've built.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Right, I yeah, I'll you want me to have an opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I'm not looking at Scout so much as a potential
purchase for me. It's not really catered towards me. But
I still enjoy looking at the EV industry as a
whole as all the different styles, all the different approaches,
all the different like we're trying this a little differently,
and we're I do think that them being backed by
VW adds a bit of validity to the brand, Like

(01:07:51):
it's it's not the same thing as just a young
startup that's trying to find investors. It's like, no, they've
got a multi billion dollar organization supporting them and funding them.
And they had the governor there at the event, and
they talked about where the factory is going to be,
where the parts are coming from, so it felt a
bit more real than, you know, just a startup with
a dream Usually the startups with a dream are a

(01:08:13):
lot more interesting to me though, because they try to
be more radical and rethink form factors, which I'm more
excited by. But I'd like to be aware of all
the different brands and their different tactics and styles and
what they're trying and how effective it is. But sure,
for me personally, I feel like it's a bit big

(01:08:34):
for a five to six seater, Like if I was
buying a vehicle that large, I would want three rows,
and I am more I'm more of an efficiency than
an off road guy, So it's cool that they're optimized
for off roading, but that's not a big priority to me.
But the truck as well left me wanting a little

(01:08:55):
bit more. I was just like, come on, you know,
got like a gear time or a midgate or some
kind of like way to I wanted a little bit
more spice. But I guess to them there's something, yeah,
something that makes it stand out. But I guess for
them it's gas generator. And I was like, yeah, that's
that's not me that you're you're barking up the wrong tree.

(01:09:18):
The main reason I'm so into EV's is because I
have a deep rooted in my core hatred of gas.
I hate gas, I hate gas stations. I'm like, I
want to buy an EV so I never go to
a gas pump again, never have to fuss around with
gas cans again. And when they were advertising it in
the event, they they brought up the gas as if

(01:09:40):
it was supposed to make the whole crowd go, Like.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
The crowd was happy, they were cheering.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
I was not, well, but I'm happy for them, Just like,
if you love gas that much, why are you buying
an EV? Just buy a gas?

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
Maybe because the tech, the tech is cooler for EV,
you know, maybe they want a little bit of the
best of both.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
They want the convenience of gas, but they want the
tech of EV.

Speaker 4 (01:10:07):
That That was the first thing that got me attracted
to EV's was all the cool stuff I was seeing
in in testa. I was like, I, why isn't that
mainstream so as a technogy?

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
That shot. That shot made me roll my eyes with
a bit of it put the period there like it's
a mic drop, and I was like, no.

Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
Well, it is what they like. Again. This was all
in the effort of people asked for it. A lot
of people who got an early look asked for it,
and they looked at Okay, if this is going to
make us more successful as a brand, why don't we
entertain this idea? And also, we already have a Rivian.

(01:10:54):
Do you want just a Rivian Part two? Or do
you want something that's a little bit different. I think
this is a great alternative for those that want something
like a Caribbean but aren't ready to take the full
plunge of a folliv or want something a little bit
more traditional looking rather than a little bit more modern looking. Yeah,
I applaud them for carving out their own identity, even

(01:11:18):
though they've had an identity technically forty years ago when
they had one before they went out of a business.
But I actually saw a Scout too yesterday when I
was driving home, was sitting. I was driving through South
Bay and I was going through a residential neighborhood and

(01:11:40):
I looked at something that looked like a Bronco. I'm like,
oh cool, brought wait a second, that's not Brocco, and
that as I passed the front of I'm like, oh
wait a second, that's a that's a Scout headlight. I
realized after a little bit out it's a Scout too.
That's sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
I'm glad that the companies that are falling back on
gas little bit are the ones with legacy, like the
ones from the twentieth century. That makes sense. Be like
the Scout brand was gas, so having a little bit
of a nod to that, there's some nostalgia there. You're
more likely to have people who remember the Scouts, who

(01:12:17):
were fond of the Scouts, which are the type of
people to be more likely interested in having a gas option.
I would feel a lot weirder about it if it
was a startup.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
Yes, imagine Rivin comes out next month saying we're going
to have a gas generator built into the R one.

Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I would have issues immediately with Rivian.

Speaker 4 (01:12:42):
Yeah, if they I would just call them a shill.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Like you're just you gave it?

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Oh, the ones going this way now, I'm gonna like,
I'm just gonna go over the money is if anybody
did that, Rivian or anybody also, we're gonna do I like,
I've lost all trust with you, and I hope you
don't survive, because now you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I don't believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Wow, at this rate, it feels like Tesla would a
gas rang droption back.

Speaker 5 (01:13:13):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
That sounds like something twenty twenty four Elon would.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Gus isn't that? But we use it for SpaceX. You
vote like your life depends.

Speaker 5 (01:13:29):
On it, all right, Drew. Here, here's the conundrum. Okay,
the uh the cyber cab comes out and it has
a steering wheel. What No, it's okay, okay, but you
can only get it with a gas tank.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Oh no, deal breaker easily because I'm in it for
the efficiency. So the gas tank would kill all the
efficiency games.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Yeah, but the arrow efficiency would still be there.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Doesn't matter. The arrow is not you biggest loss leader.
If you have a gas engine.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
You're not looking at a PRIs or a Honda Insight
right here.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah you're not. That's I'm not buying Prius. Yeah no.
I I'm an EV fan through and through. I'm willing
to pay for a massive premium. I see not requiring
gas as a perk. I take that as a benefit
and advantage because I've had so many horrible gas car

(01:14:27):
experiences with transmissions, head, gas kets, oil changes, that, YadA, YadA, yeah,
all that stuff. I hate the complexity. I That's that's
why I called it Tailors of EV because I realized
from the beginning I'm open to talking about anything that
doesn't have a combustion engine. That was that was why
I named it Tailors of EV instead of tailors of Auto,

(01:14:50):
tailors of cars or something.

Speaker 5 (01:14:52):
I talked about Scout a few videos ago, which will
have I did it, but it's optional.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
So yes, it's They definitely are building it to be
primarily used in electric mode and the gas generator to
just help you out on edge cases, which like I,
like I explained, I'm not a fan of, but I
get why they did it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:14):
It's also American building for those that are interested. It's
fully American. It's built in South Carolina. The only parts
that are going to be German from VW are things
that are more related to like window switches, if not
even that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
It's.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
Rifle standards and regulation parts for safety and or rolling
up and down windows, stuff like that. It's very minute
stuff that isn't going to be uh intruding on what
this vehicle is and how it's built a significant amount,
I should say that. Yeah, So it being fully American

(01:15:56):
made I think is awesome. Uh, even though the insams
might be going away at least, we can say that
this is a fully American product that is not going
to be heavily tariffed as a product, compared to many
other brands that are having trouble with that reality right

(01:16:16):
now and scrambling to come up with a solution now
because of the United States political climate. No where. Of course,
the Scout's got time, but also they'll have that ability
to pivot easily. Yeah, there's the Scout too.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I'm not I'm not putting any deposits down, but I
wish them all the best.

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Do you guys think that I put down a deposit, Well,
you're right, I did not. No one song lesson. Yeah,
they're really cool. I love them. I thought about it
for maybe a good thirty minutes. I thought, we're not

(01:17:06):
in the market for one. We're not going to be
in the market for one unless, like I've said with
the model, why if it ever gets into a crash,
then I'll start thinking about it. But even so, who
knows when that happens. I'm not intentionally trying to crush
my vehicles, so when the time comes d Yeah, that

(01:17:28):
thing was horrific. The other day I think was speaking
of though it was fun driving experience.

Speaker 4 (01:17:36):
Not fsd uh, you know again for a month or whatever.
And she was like, she told me, she goes, apparently
I got it again.

Speaker 9 (01:17:44):
I'm like, cool, we could try it with the white
and she was just like, I don't want it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
She was so over.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
That was my wife too, she got the email.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
It was like, yeah, stop putting it down my throat.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I don't want it out. She's like, no, get away.
I just turn it off every time you pig.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
I don't want it. I don't want it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Nice nice dish on the freeway. But that's about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Not even.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Mine keeps on trying a different location.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Oh really, mine will still drift on the freeway and
I'm on the latest version. Ah.

Speaker 5 (01:18:26):
Mine keeps on breaking randomly on city streets. And I'm
just not a fan.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
It's so annoying. Whenever it's dark, it's like so predictable.
Now it's like when it gets dark outside, it just
starts beeping. It's degraded, degraded, and it'll be audibly, which
is quite annoying, like every two minutes. And I'm like, okay,
I'm just turning it off. I don't want to hear
that every That's not a pleasant it makes sure it's

(01:18:53):
so enjoyable in the daytime, it's like, okay, cool, yeah whatever. Luckily,
it's a very nice car to drive anyway, so I
don't I still enjoy driving it manually.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yeah, as I've gotten three, as.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
I've gotten older, you know, so much of just life
changing that like things that I thought I would use
back then, I don't use now because I you know,
I don't go to a site location for driving like
I find.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
So I find those moments I get to drive for
a little bit, like I'd rather drive be in control.

Speaker 4 (01:19:41):
It feels nice. But back when I was driving all
the time from one end of San Diego to the other,
I was just like ah, boom boom, like please save
me from this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
California traffic is is miserable.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
I totally get why people would want any type of
relief when it comes to California traffic.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
But it's very nice for commuting.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Yeah, I remember feeling that way when I was driving
through d C. I'm like, oh, I do not miss this.
But the car was so passive back then that like
people just cut me.

Speaker 4 (01:20:14):
I mean, all these DC drivers are just as aggressive
as New York drivers, and they don't care about you
and your FSD. They tell you, you know, they'll give you
the one finger salute along the way too, So.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I'd rather just be in control.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
My number one. They keep telling me they you're number one, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Hey, look at right at you, You're number one.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Everyone's so nice to me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Wow. It was like, hey, you, I've come.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
To a realization about the Tesla lineup. Oh that I
only liked the Model three really, especially with the new vehicles.
Like the the highway range test, it's seventy miles per
hour With the cheapest Model three it got over three

(01:21:03):
hundred and eighty miles on a charge. Yeah, so what's
the advantage of the Model s now? No, it goes
an extra twenty miles for twice the price, Like, no,
who cares about that. It's it's biggers is the iPod effect?
It really is? And the Model three Performance is incredible.

(01:21:25):
I prefer the bucket seats. Mike and I tried the
plaid seats and the Model three Performance seats, and I
thought the Model three Performance seats were better than the
plaid And I guess the plaid is a little bit
faster off the line, but I floorted in the Model
three performance, and I was like, yeah, nope, I never
would need to go faster than that. Any faster than that,

(01:21:45):
to me is just flexing. And if we're gonna flex,
then the plaid Model S isn't even the fastest anymore.
It's the Sapphire. So you're not winning that argument anyway.
And if if the Model three doesn't have enough storage
for you, then I'm forward thinking the Rivin R two

(01:22:06):
is going to be the more storage friendly, you know,
suv at a similar price point. Tax credit's gone, so
who cares, right, and Rivian's got a good brand, So
if you're buying a vehicle for more storage, I think
the R two is a far better from the ground

(01:22:26):
up designed to be an suv than the Model Y
because the Model Y is mostly just like scaled up
Model three. And I get that the Model Y is
a little bit more efficient, but I just see it.
It's like that the three has a ton of storage
space even though it's not a hatchback. We were loading up,
Mike was there. We were at the Halloween party, and
we were stuffing that thing full of pumpkins and we

(01:22:48):
had all these.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Mike, what was your costume?

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
By the I'm so sorry, completely unrelated to EV I
saw Drews hilarious costume, but I don't know what yours was.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Oh, I was Wolvering, which is why I send you
a photo. Yeah, I don't even.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
I was that. What's going on right here?

Speaker 5 (01:23:07):
Yeah, so if you're looking really you're pixel peeping. Yeah,
I've shaved pretty much like my chin down in the
middle a little bit and looking a little bit more
like Wolverine. I went for like the X Men origins
Wolverine look rather than something like the Deadpool and Wolverine look.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
I wish I.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Could see you die.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
But like, but yeah, the Model X doors are too gimmicky,
it's too expensive for what it is. And the Model why,
I just feel like, is the less efficient version of
the three. So I'm like, as far as what I
am interested in EVS for, I see competition coming for

(01:23:51):
the Model Y especially take it. I'm like, yeah, it's
being overblown in my opinion overrated vehicles. I mean, my
wife is still a big fan of it, but I'm like,
she would rather pay the penalty of having a less efficient,
more expensive vehicle for the sake of slightly more storage space.

(01:24:13):
She thinks that trade off is worth it, and I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
That's suv or crossover or cuv untilities in the name
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
I just I get a lot of utility out of
the three. I have not reached a point where I'm like,
I can't fit all this stuff in the three and
you will you. But again, if I if I reached
a point where the three was not enough, I would
be more interested in an R two or the Lucid
Earth whatever that's going to be called, or you know.

(01:24:45):
I I feel like I care about products with intentionality
behind them, you know, And I'm like, the R two
definitely has the intention of like maximizing cargo spit. You
want something with higher ride heights that would be more
fun to me. If I was in the suv market

(01:25:07):
than the Model Y, I think I would take an
R two, but I'm not. I don't really see any
petition coming for the Model three though, Like no one's
working on a.

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
More's because nobody ever comes for the iPhone thirteen Mini.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
I guess, yeah, But this is different though, because in
this scenario, the thirteen Mini gets longer battery life than
the Promax.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
I'm not saying it's a one for one comparison.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
I'm just saying, nobody cares about the model the Model three,
because the Model Why is the best selling vehicle ever
and will be in the future, and turning himself down
and made it. You know, God himself said this was
the best vehicle ever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Right now on the three as well. But I'm just
saying the three is cheaper and it goes further and
it's not that much less storage capacity. At the end
of the day.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
Well, you're about to make me go buy another Model
three just because I believed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
I believe it was so hard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
The one you have is great, like the one I
have is great. I drove around a lot with it
this past week and I'm about to do a big
road trip tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:26:17):
I noticed something between my Model three and the Model Why,
and there's a quality control issue with the Model Why.
I'm realizing it's so no, hang on, it's my news,
it's my new.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Before I actually go on, Mike, what type of steering
wheel do you have? Do you have that fake leather
or do you have that other material.

Speaker 5 (01:26:40):
Mine's an early version, so it's the still fake. I think, yeah,
the early Three's got the real leather. The early Wise,
I don't think they ever got real leather. No, they
got vegan whatever. But I have the plastic was it
scroll wheels? I think you have the metal ones.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
Ah Okay, So here's what I've noticed.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
The steering wheel on the Model three. It's just built better.
Like it's it's a tighter. The material that's wrapping the
steering whel itself is snug tight, minus the metal balls
that burn during the summertime, which I never experienced in Colorado.

(01:27:26):
So never got that hot balls of steel.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
That you can throw against the cyber truck.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Oh my god, wow wow.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Yeah, I think, uh, I think the the steering wheel
is just built better than the Model Y. When I
touch the Model Y, like, I'll put my hand behind
the uh like instead of just holding it like this,
I sometimes rest it like this, and my and my
little digits can touch behind and I like to feel

(01:27:57):
like the crease and just like I'm doing like inspection
and I start poking. There's like air bubbles or something
that I can actually poke at that clothy material thing
around the steering wheel that feels cheaper, and I feel
like if I poke too long, it's gonna start unraveling.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Like I can like tear it and I'm like whoa.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
And so then I go to my Model three and
that thing's like skin tight, like it's built with the
steering wheel. So I'm looking at that, I'm just using
the steer where I'm like, this is uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
But then I'm like, wait a minute, it's built differently
because the Model why has heated steering the wheel gets warm.
My Wattle three doesn't have that feature.

Speaker 5 (01:28:41):
But no, the mine's also separating as well, and mine's
not a heated steering wheel.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Oh well, then goes back to my other thing that
as we try and give it play Devil's advocate and
give it the benefit of that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
There's a qualitum, there's a quality control thing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
It's worse, that's all.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
That's so twenty nineteen Model three. I'm like, oh, I
love you minus USBA.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
I'm like, this is great. I'm okay, I'm okay with this.
I hate wireless inductive charging on a on a Tesla,
my phone gets so hot. I'm like, this is not
good for the battery.

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
Yeah, mine doesn't even charge sometimes and or just flies
around and or mine rattles the because in the Model
wise it's elevated a lot more or whatever, or the
old Model threes and Model Wise. It's a tray that
you can rotate up and down. Because you can rotate
up and down, it can jiggle, it'll make noise and

(01:29:35):
all that. It's just an annoying noise to hear while
you're driving around when it's supposed to be quiet, and
you're just stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
I just go into mode.

Speaker 5 (01:29:48):
It's so yeah, I get it, Randy. It's a thing
that happens with the Wise. I think it also happens
with the threes. I think you've just been lucky with
not seeing it in your three.

Speaker 4 (01:30:01):
No, my Model three is aging so so nicely?

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Was it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
You're at like fifty thousand miles of it or something
like that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:11):
It doesn't matter. Miles don't count for anything.

Speaker 5 (01:30:14):
It's terms of usage.

Speaker 1 (01:30:17):
I'm getting my fair use out of it. I don't
it's over fifty, but I do feel like it's under sixty.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
I think you're in the fifty. Drews in this, Yeah,
Drews at sixty one. I'm at seventy one. He's catching
up to me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:31):
Now, Hey, you guys, you guys are weird.

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
Weird, we're using the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
I live in those things. Spend more time in my
car than my house at this point, and I'm very
happy with it. Just that that's the only point I
was trying to make is that, like, the whole lineup
is kind of depressing to me now, except the Model three.
I'm like, you're cool. All of you can go to

(01:30:59):
It's like, screw you, screw you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
You you're cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Like cyber extensive, uh, not very practical. All the build
quality things with it have just been so depressing, Like
seeing people drop six figures on this truck and then
the steel flapping on the side of the road. I'm like,
maybe maybe in a couple of generations it'll be cool.
It's on its first gen. I think twenty twenty six

(01:31:28):
cyber truck might be much better. They might learn from
all the mistakes and improve upon it. But it's still
too big. I think it's way bigger than it needs
to be. And something I found myself. I keep realizing this.
I keep thinking about this every time I take the
Model three someplace. I'm like, I really love the dimensions.

(01:31:50):
I really appreciate the fact that I think I'm about
to hit the curb and then I get out and
I had another foot to spare, like, oh, there's like
tons of space, Like I can fit a lot in
that car and it doesn't take up a lot of space.
And every time I drive around a big vehicle, I've
reminded how much I like those smaller cars. So fair enough,

(01:32:12):
I was in the suv market, i'd be waiting for
the R two personally.

Speaker 5 (01:32:16):
Okay, yeah, two is dope. Like I've said in the past,
if anything happened to the why, I'd probably go for
an R two, like pretty much. I think what you
asked the question before, Randy, of which one or no
Drew either of you one of you asked which one
I'd go forward with. I think the dream garage I

(01:32:37):
have now is an R two that replaces the Y
and uh the was it the scout Arra that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
Replaces That's a pretty solid garage.

Speaker 5 (01:32:48):
They're both really exciting vehicles to me, that both offer
things that I want. Slash it satisfies my needs because
even though you find that the model through he Drew
satisfies all your storage needs, at least with my why
we find ourselves getting close to the Mexic capacity with
that thing because we card around a bunch of stuff

(01:33:10):
all over the place for various reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
So yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:33:15):
We find that the Why has the mass space that
we require and that we didn't overbuy in terms of
h space for a vehicle, like we got the exact
amount that we needed and future proof for any other life.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Needs owners bias, I have it too exactly. That's okay,
It's probably better that way. I'm glad you bought the
Model I because that's how we met. Yeah, who knows
where we'd be a few bottom us. You'd probably have

(01:33:52):
so much more free time.

Speaker 5 (01:33:56):
Now I would be trapped here listening to Trump talk
at the beginning of the podcast and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
At the end of the podcast as well. Quite frankly,
all podcasts. It's gonna be great. We're gonna make podcasts
great again.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Yeah, we're on episode two to one now, is this
gonna be another great one hundred episodes?

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
Randy and I'm believing, Baby, we'll stay forever.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Well.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
As a final note that I wanted to add, I
did see one at a local Polestar slash Volvo facility.
They had Polestar threes in their lot waiting to go
to customers. So the Polestar threes are now being delivered

(01:34:42):
and along with that to boot uh right here they
can now, but they can now supercharge another though. Came
just in time pretty much for approval to use the
supercharging network and for deliveries of the vehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
That's great.

Speaker 5 (01:35:06):
And they're US built, or at least a portion of
them are US built. They will start three in the
Volo ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
That's great too because they got the charge port in
the right place, yes, literally, and they're on the same
architecture as Tesla, so they should hit their peak speed
no problem.

Speaker 5 (01:35:27):
Four hundred volt yeah, mm hmm. So that was something
that I was very happy to hear, is that the
three is finally coming. It took them forever, I guess.
And along with that they can charge without any issue,
which is something that my mom is eyeing in terms
of her next vehicle. So it makes me happy to

(01:35:47):
see that my mother will possibly be taken care of
what her next vehicle purchase in terms of not having
to use the lectri Fi America.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
Yeah, god willing, no one will ever have to use it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Right, there's gonna be a bunch of empty stations, are.

Speaker 7 (01:36:05):
There ebs out there? Yeah, they just don't stop here.
We don't know why it's weird.

Speaker 5 (01:36:11):
Mm hmm, it's a mystery.

Speaker 11 (01:36:13):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Well, on that note, we'll catch you next time. My
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