Ep. 202 - V5 Finale - Tailosive EV Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:18):
Welcome to the finale episode of the Tayori ev podcast,
The Yeah Effort. This is it? Wow?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
All we made?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Two hundred and two?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
There's going to be no more evs after January twentieth
two o two.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's a palindrome. It's a nice sweet number.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
What is a palam drome? Would you call me?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
D oh?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Excuse me. I'm an engineer.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm smarter than you.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
It's a it's an engineer. Name what we expect you
to understand?

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Randy, I don't even know. He's say over you, Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
That's how it works here.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You can explain to him, Yeah, what us engineers used
palindromes for.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's funny because the other guy, being Randy, is the
one who claims to be an audio engineer, so I
feel like he was as an audio engineer word engineer
in his title.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Would well, this audio engineer made an album. If you
want to buy I'm just gonna plug it down. If
you want to buy my album, I made a physical CD.
Uh explained it better on tech But anyway, it's really cool.
I put a lot of years into this, so I
might not know what a palanella, numb and drone is.

(01:44):
But I know I know what the tales of a
relic are, so.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
You know, ask Hannah.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I don't even know who that is handeck?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
Who what's a palodrome?

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'm like, Who's I love all this ev talk we're
doing right now? All right, Drew, I need we jump
into it right now. I need to know right now. Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I was gonna say, me and Drew both saw something
that will never come out being.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
I get it now.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm curious how you well, I.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Guess I see what you did. I see what you did.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
I don't see.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Okay, thank you. It took a second.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
But did he post something?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
No, I I know wounds that cup cut deep.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
No, Randy's Randy's biggest like Tesla Experience videos. When he
checked I.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Think it's my biggest video ever.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
He checked out the cyber trucking person and the thumbnail
was like, I get it now. So I was like,
we saw the cyber cabin person. I get it now, autonomy.
It all makes sense now that I've seen it.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Is not it sucks, isn't it. It's terrible, That's what
you get. It's terrible and it should never come to
fruition and oh my god, you like the drew Is
that it? You like?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (03:12):
It? Nah? No, it was it was whelming.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
It was whelming. I agree. I went there. I'm like,
this is this is all right. I got a text
today from someone who works at Tesla saying, hey, come
on down to see the cyber cab ya and really yeah,
And which is fine because they only sent that text
because you have to fill out the iPad thing just
to get close to the cybercab. So they told me.

(03:41):
After from filling out the form to see the cyber cab,
they send me a text message saying, hey, do you
want to see the cyber cab. I've already seen it.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I got a text while we were recording, oh, saying,
but he didn't ask if I wanted to see the cybercab.
He said, I'd like to invite you to experience our
new Tesla vehicle and full self driving feature. When would
be the best time for you? Let me know and
I can schedule it. Does he not know I own
a Tesla that has FSD.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I don't think they do.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Maybe he wants me in a hardware for vehicle. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Maybe so.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Oh, Mike, you dogs their vin.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
A vin technically doesn't docs. I could actually reveal the
VIN of my car in this, but you've chosen all.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
These years, and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Why wouldn't that be a thing if I revealed what
actually your model?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Why I have to be honest with you, that's not
necessarily true. If I have your vein number, I.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Can have you track me down with the.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Vein number I can. I can't track you down like
where you're at at the moment, but I can tie
it to you and I can find you.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Could you track it to my local am ATM machine.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
The ATM art in the military, in the garden because
it's a palindrome.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I don't have to hear your laugh anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Oh you'll miss it.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
You're gonna miss my drump voice.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Believe you took a lot of pictures. That's good. I
didn't take a single.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
So here's the thing I got in. I missed the
one specific time that I should have been a little
bit nosy. They opened the back of this thing when
I was there. What they opened the back of it
because there was another Tesla employee there that was.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
From another room.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
So here's the thing. I went down to like.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
The employee with the drivers in the trunk.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I don't have, I don't have. I think it was
at this moment there's some employees right here, and they
opened the trunk and I was more focused on the rim,
and I realized that the trunk was closing as I
was going from a squat to a stand, and I thought, Oh,
they're opening the trunck. Can you open that again? They're
like no. I asked why. They just walked away. So

(06:10):
then I asked the guy with the iPad, Hey, can
you open this. He's like, no, we can't do that.
I said, why, It's like, we're not supposed to open it.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Those guys had the worst job. I felt so bad
for them, Like, Yeah, you bring in this prototype and
you literally can't say anything, and you're texting people to
come in the shop and then saying don't touch.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
It so they can hear you not say anything.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
They're not supposed to touch it at all. You're only just
supposed to walk around there.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
They talk about how they were able to get it
in there.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Oh, that would have been fascinating. I would have loved
to know how it got in there.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Here's your third seat, by the way, it's right here.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
You put a little frog down there.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, third seats right there.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
What what were your thoughts of the dimensions, Mike?

Speaker 2 (06:57):
It was actually what I expected. I was expecting on
that has a hatch, and that's what it is. In
terms of height, that's something that you didn't put in
your video. Is like the height of the thing you
put in, the width with the doors open, and the length.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I think, well, I was measuring mostly with floor tiles, and.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Say, what did you use to measure? I expected? Does
he have like a measuring tape and you never measured
like mentioned what you used as a measurement device.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
No, I forgot the measuring tape. It's probably next to
my AirPods. But even if I brought a measuring tape,
I don't think I could have gotten the hood very accurately.
But I did precisely measure my shoes and did the
footstep thing.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh god, that's one way to do it.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
And I measured, so I did the model.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Why when I first saw it? When I when I
think it was still protype, But yeah, I'm sorry. Anyways,
you somehow measured it with your shoes.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
My shoes are twelve point seventy five inches long. And
then I did end to end and I measured using
where the tile lines are, and then I got the
final results and they seemed too high, so I rounded
down a little bit. So I did preface that these
were rough numbers and that the production model would likely

(08:19):
change anyway, and that even with a measuring tape, I
can't get that close to it. So regardless, the numbers
are rough. But I was actually quite disappointed with the length.
If I'm being honest, that's what you should. You're lucky.
This is our last episode, so hey, what.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Are you going to do? Have us not come back
next to me?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
It's gonna be that bad. But dude, this is a
This is a two door two seater, and it's only
ten inches shorter than a model three.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Huh the front is it? The front?

Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's both? I think it's it's an extra long trunk
and a bizarrely long frunk. I don't know why it's
as long as it is, honestly, can I I might
get in trouble for this, but it's our last episode ever, right,
so I'm saying this. But I talked a little bit

(09:24):
off the record He didn't tell me not to share this,
but I've gotten in trouble for saying that before. But
I talked a little bit off the record with Jason
Hill about the Cybercab, who, for those who don't know,
is the chief of design for Aptera, which there's definitely
a lot of design similarities with Aptera and the cybercab.

(09:48):
He and these aren't negative, these aren't mean things, but
he just said he thought that I actually thought this
was pretty eloquent. He said the robot and the robo
van is over designed and the cyber cab is underdesigned.

(10:11):
And he told that to me yesterday and I haven't
been able to get it out of my head. I
was like, you're right. Like, the more I think about it,
the robo van was like, autonomy is here, Autonomy is
the future. Rethink the entire exterior of a van. There
he is.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
We gotta you're curious what Jason Hill looks like.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
If you replay that question, you'll know, Yes, that was
last year.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
That was last year. Thank goodness.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Jason Hill is awesome. He's in my video which isn't
out yet but might be out by the time people
here again.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
But anyways, Jason Hill thinks these things are just both
sides of the spectrums.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
I'm not quoting him word for word, but he brought
up that, like if it's a fully autonomous vehicle from
the ground up, like why does it need a windshield?
Like why do the occupants need to be seating forward?
Like why does the cyber cab need to be so
car like? Shouldn't it just be like a smaller robo

(11:26):
van or more like what Zukes is doing, like an
omnidirectional robotex.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Like five seconds to Zeukes.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
All those questions if you play it back.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Look at this thing. It's so quirky and cute.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
I wish I had that in my soundboard. But yeah, apparently,
I don't know if you heard, but they have started
doing autonomous Zukes rides in the bay with that vehicle.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
I'm down right now.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
It's only connection. Oh, it's an employee only program right now.
But people have taken videos. You'll you'll find them on
Twitter or some other play.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Can't connect to them on Twitter. I'm not on this,
but I did see.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Videos of them driving around. So the list of people
beating Tesla to the punch continues to grow. But I
actually really liked Jason's perspective of like one is overdesigned
and one is underdesigned. I agree with that review.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I lost the image of the toaster box, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
I think I need to see it in person to
meet I finally understand it or I finally get it.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It just it's it's imagine a Model three but modified.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
And that's why I get that. No, that's what I mean.
Is that, like, after this whole wee robot thing like
that was that was the final straw for me. I'm like,
I don't want to be a part of this citymore
like I want to understand it, and I just I don't.

(13:09):
I don't get it. I don't.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
The only impressive dimension to me was the width. It
was very narrow.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Isn't that worse though for driving people around, Like especially
if you're like Uberine and you got to pick up
multiple people. I don't want you. I don't want to
smell your breath.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
You think you'll ride around with a stranger like, yeahouts,
now what's happening? No, he might be onto something there, Mike.
Maybe Tesla would be like, oh, the ride is half
off if you let us pick up some.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh lift Yeah, no, I agree with that. I just
Randy riding with someone in the Romo taxi that isn't
his wife or his child, mixed or friend.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
You could see how uncomfortable that would be. You have
to sit really close to someone and you're just like,
I'm just like this. I'll just be like hang on
him my kid, just like. No, that's that's a liability.
That's kind of data because if come here often, if
you're on the freeway, you can't you can't bail like,

(14:18):
you can't like pull over. You're stuck with that person. Nap.
It's elevator. Imagine a ten minute elevator.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
It's you're in an elevator, and I'm Jane is generous
if you guys get that reference. Jay Z got his
butt whooped by a family member caught on caught on
camera an elevator.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Jay Z will not be ride sharing with No.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
No, he's a liability. I can't do his laugh. I'm trying.
I got ninety nine problems, but a cabinet one.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Do you do hm? I can't say. It was a
similar reaction to the cyber truck. It was like it's
so cool in person, this was.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like, okay, all right, I was actually more interested in
the cyber truck that was in that room than I
was this thing I want to take, but the was
it the blackish green cyber truck here on the right,
I was more interested.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
You know what's funny about that is they're showing off
a wrapp cyber truck and today Tesla officially canceled all
cyber truck wraps. Wow, well, like first party, obviously you
can wrap a third party, but uh, Tesla is not
offering any wrapping. Now why, I don't know. Elon probably

(15:50):
fired him because they weren't Republican or something, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
More efficient of the government he needs to make it,
which is it's not very much.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Oh my god, are we going to get into that?
I know it's not okay, Before we before we move on,
the wheels on this cyber cab are not painted.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
No, it's ring, which I thought. Then, Oh, was the
wheels at the we row out event also plastic? But
then I think you covered in the video or someone
covered in the video saying no, those were these are.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
This is a different ri literally have plastic rims that
go on top of the rubber, just for when it's
in showroom mode.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
That makes me.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Mad.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
So you tell me I just grabbed the halo right
here and ran.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, I'm telling you you probably should have. I mean
at this point, but Tesla wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
You can't replace it.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
It don't.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
They can't put us on. We're already on the blacklist
right like, we're not getting invited to any of it.
And what event is that's not gonna have anymore?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
We robots too, the robot ing.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Robot nick.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I'm or sac personic three that I am whatever robot thing. Uh, yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
It was good to.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
See though in person, I'd say, if it's in your area, Randy,
just look at it, soak it in for a bit.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I disagree, Okay, go ahead. I think it's a waste
of time. Oh wow, out of my way. That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
I thought I was gonna be the pessimistic one in
this episode about to.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Be honest, Drew saying that, then, maybe.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Well you're not value my oh because he's the Tesla sheep.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
Gotcha, because I thought I thought you were gonna be
PESSI mistake, and I got it through your lens and
then Drew back, No, you'd probably see it. You know,
it's a once in a lifetime experience to see what
this is because it's never gonna make it to the road,
and you.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Should get Okay, okay, that's a good argument. Actually that's
you should look at it because you're never gonna see
it anywhere else, or at least it won't look like that.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
What was interesting, though, I know if you cut it
when you were there, maybe they stopped. You were actually
here not too long after me, which is slightly annoying.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
I waited for you to leave. I was right out side.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Well, seems like it.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I actually didn't know I was gonna be there until
like right before, and.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
Then it looks like, is Mike arownd no I'm going in?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
I was. I'm filming. I was filming a late night
update video at Tello, and it was like, okay, we
gotta go. We gotta get there by ten pm. Do
we have time to stop at Santana Ro. I was like,
I don't think so, because they probably closed. And we
looked it up and they closed at nine. I got

(19:11):
in at like eight fifty.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Sparse when you were there, it.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Was like literally they were closing. They were like, uh, sir,
we have to leave, and I'm like, hey, everybody. Everybody person.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I'm TLOs of ev.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
Who no what cares?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
No, you I never heard of that vehicle.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
It was. I did not know I was going to
see it that day, but I was like, well, we
can't do it tomorrow because we're driving to San Diego.
So it was a very last second thing.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
But did you get to go to in San Diego?

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Mm hmmm, oh where I got Jason's opinion on the suber.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
And did you get to see the p I build?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, I saw a few PI builds, but we'll save
that for the video.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
It might be a think about it right now. You
don't want to, okay, yeah, sure, that's what we're interested in.
What'd you see? What'd you do this time? How many
times did you and Chris hug and go get tacos together?

Speaker 1 (20:31):
There were no meals shared, unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Wants to know what's happening. I was playing with the
macro mode for the phone. I was like, okay, my
dog is trying to be in my face, so I
took a photo of it.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
I got to talk to many of the engineers off
camera about uh, the p I progress and how there's
a lot of I won't name names, But it's very
challenging for these startups to get all of the parts together,

(21:09):
and I don't think that gets talked about enough. I
know we don't talk about it in the video because
I'm almost done editing it. But when you're a major
OEM and you buy things by the hundreds of thousands
or maybe even millions, depending on how many of the
bolts or pieces go into your vehicles every year, those

(21:34):
companies get priority delivery on those parts and those components.
And if you're a young startup and you're like, hey,
you know, even when Aptera is at volume production, they
only need like, you know, ten thousand vehicles a year.
So when you're talking PI builds and they're like can
we get a few dozen of this component or of

(21:57):
this part, then they're like, oh, well maybe sometime, but
we have bigger customers that we're going to prioritize. So
it's a bigger issue than I think the online community realizes.
Is like it takes a long time for all of
these parts to come together, and the vehicle can only

(22:18):
be assembled as quick as its slowest part. So I
met Tim there. He's the guy looking at the front.
He worked at I don't know if I should say that,
but Tim's cool. Tim's cool, and he was really just
open and transparent and showed me all these little details.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
And the Titans.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, sure, screw it, it's the last episode. That's it.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Screw it.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
He was on Project Titan, that's true.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Oh that's sick, that's kind of yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I hope hopefully this project has a better future than
Project Titan.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Lock further along eyes I suspect yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, okay, something straying around in public, so I would say, yes, yes, that's.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
A drivable PI and it's a it's going to be
done for track testing, which is why they did add
some non production seats to it, although they do have
a lot of production seats. There's Jerry in the background,
that's cool.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Uh you just know these people by name?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I do. I see Reid in the side reads the
main Solar guy. He's the one in the black T shirt,
that red model s is Audres that used to be
everyone and everything. Oh did you know Chris Anthony drives
a EV nine Now?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh good for him?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
So does that mean we're moving past we have the
host Tesla ecosystem now where people are just like I.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Mean, there's a lot of Tesla owners there, but I
don't know if it's a lease or whatever. But Chris Anthony,
last time I saw him, had a Model Y that
was sadly in an accident and it was total probably
on FSD. Who knows, you can relate. But yeah, they
have lots of PI three and PI four parts arriving,

(24:30):
not just the banks but also the chassis and the seats,
and of course the HVAC is already installed in there. Yeah,
they had a bunch of those oils you were showing.
All those suspension components were all getting unboxed while I
was there. I apologized in advance the audio is not
great on my video because there's a lot of stuff

(24:52):
going on. They were actively building the roll cages and
chassis components as we were filming, so we tried. We
tried to film as far away from them as possible,
but they are still quite loud when they're banging metal together.
And they were going through this whole Uh, there's like

(25:12):
a coding process that the banks go through. There must
have been like at least six of those carbon fiber
fiber binks while I was there. I don't know if
one of them was p I one or something. But
there there's a lot of stuff going on to the
point that it was kind of hard to record. So
there's actually some parts of the interviews that we had

(25:34):
to cut back. But I got to talk a lot
more in depth with Steve Fambrough on this.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Episode the first time.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, well, at least him. Yeah. I briefly met him
the last time I was down there, but this time
we got a little bit more uh what do you
call it, in touch, and he's a veteran, so I
thanked him for his service, which was cool.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Thank you for your taxes.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
That's good. So yeah, I was very it was very uplifting.
It was very exciting to see so much components moving around.
Of course, of course, yes, we all wish that they
were further along in development. We all wish that they
had a esthetically accurate design finalized interior and exterior. That

(26:23):
would have been cool too. But that's why I wanted
to double down about especially when you're a young startup
and you're not ordering things in bulk, you don't get
priority shipping from these suppliers. They prioritize their.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
They don't Amazon Prime, y'all.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
No, that That's actually a great example they brought up
is that it's funny how when you're an individual and
you'll order something on Prime, you're just we've all become
very accustomed to things showing up within a couple of
days or same day. We're just like, oh, yeah, you
just order it online. When you're ordering some of these
custom components and chassis parts sometimes takes months, and there

(27:01):
were even without naming names, some companies that will talk
to you on the phone, talk about pricing, talk about
what they can offer, send you samples, go through the
whole song, and dance with many suppliers, and then like
three months into the process, they will up and cancel
and say, geez, never mind, we can't supply you anything

(27:23):
we changed. We just don't feel like it. We've got
other bigger clients we want to prioritize. So you will
spend tons of time on the phone arguing with some
of these people about, you know, can you offer this,
can you offer this? And then they will just ghost
you or they will just shut you off, which is
extremely frustrating and results in why in case people are wondering,

(27:47):
you know, why doesn't APTERA have this ready sooner? Why
can't they get it all together sooner? Just throw it
together as as possible. Yeah, just build it. And it's like, uh,
it's not that simple. But yeah, it was frustrating to
hear about some of those delays. But the point is
they're moving. The point is they're still doing things, and

(28:10):
there's they're being as transparent as they possibly can. I
can tell you that much. And it was very very
fun to see it in person. Sitting it in person
and wow, just seeing it all come together was very exciting,
so very very thankful for everybody on the team making

(28:30):
it happen. They're doing late nights. There were people working weekends,
so it's not like a traditional oh, you know, take
the day off. It's a Sunday kind of thing. Everybody's
showing up doing everything they can, a lot of off
the record stuff with software that's super exciting that I'm

(28:51):
very excited to share. Jason and other people in the
software team, like Tiffany's been doing a fantastic job as
well as Uh, we got to meet Quincy in person
for the first time. Mike, I believe you met her.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, I met her last year. Yeah, I think she's
near the beginning of this thing somewhere in there, But
I want to highlight I've used this switch really projects before.
That's cool for was I was working on a heavy
lift drone and we required this switch for test flight.
So it's nice to see that they have that there,

(29:28):
and also looking at some of the footage of it
driving around, it's readily available. There's a nice cut out there.
Whether I don't think that was on purpose, but at
least it's a great spot to have it. So if
there's something wrong going on, just flip the switch, turn
off to the battery leads.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's right next to the twelve volt It's a very
very small twelve volt battery, right, it's probably gone.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Do you know have they is it just a lead
acid or are they going to try to put in.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
A I hope I'm not spoiling anything.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Maybe let's not spoil anything. I'm pretty sure it's LFP Oh,
it's neither. Okay, it's an iron based twelve olt. But yeah,
I mean Chris Chris Anthony deals a lot with twelve
volts with.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
The forklift side of things. So here's I don't think
it's a lead acid. There she is. Yeah, but we
also got to play around with open Pilot for the
first time. Oh, that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
On the vehicle or just in software.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
And it was on Chris mccammon's personal vehicle, a model
S that still has free unlimited supercharging, which is pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Very rare to these days to get your hands on
one of.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Those, it is, and he has the open pilot computer
installed and he drove me around the area a little
bit and it does way more than I expected. I was,
you know, as someone who is skeptical of FSD and
its capabilities and mainly just uses it for highway driving.

(31:08):
I was like, open pilot is a fraction of the
price of FSD and does like ninety nine percent the
same stuff, so nice. I was very imprinted. I didn't realize.
I'm not very well informed on the capabilities of open pilot,
but I didn't realize it can detect and slow down

(31:29):
for speed bumps, and that it uses infrared cameras for
head tracking. So that's a huge frustration right now with
full self driving is that constantly whenever I'm using it,
it's telling me, you know, attention monitoring unavailable or attention
monitoring available, and it switches back and forth because the

(31:50):
lighting changes, but that wouldn't be a problem with open
Pilot because it has infrared, and yeah, it can change lanes.
I didn't realize even though it's just that one little
computer that mounts to your windshield, the ultra wide lens
on it is so wide that it can make turns

(32:12):
through intersections. Oh wow, so it can see, you know,
one hundred and eighty degrees, so it can see the
left you know, turning and the right turning lane. I mean,
I'm typically the kind of guy that prefers to drive
through those, So I don't know if I would use
it all the time, just because anytime you do a
ninety degree turn autonomously you always feel a little nervous.

(32:35):
But absolutely the highway driving, the highway driving was flawless,
and this uses it was kind of insane. I think
it was. I thought I've been saying for a while
that this I thought the open pilot computer uses like
thirty five watts. Turns out it's less than that. It's
like it's like ten watts. And Tesla's full self driving

(33:00):
and uses like well over one hundred watts. So it's
pretty insanely energy efficient for what it does.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
That's great that you got to check it out. Thanks
to Chris.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Yeah, shout out to Chris. He was awesome. He agreed
to meet us there in the early morning and he
let me sit in it and let me look at
the chassis before it's installed to the PI, which I
don't believe they've shown yet, so that that's kind of
an exclusive for TILOSUV. I know it's kind of a
nitty gritty thing, but yeah, we get to see the

(33:38):
mountaining points and the Tesco motor and everything's integrated, and
you can see how the bunk comes out the back
and these are already drilled for drainage holes by the way,
so the when the hatch is open, you can see
where the water falls and comes out the vehicle.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
So we get this. They don't show it in this,
but we get we get real up close and personal
in our video.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Oh sweet. Yeah, time more and talk with more people
as well.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
My goal is the next time I go there, they
give me a vehicle.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
That's my goal is just to see one. Since it's
been a year, and I guess for Randy it's just
see one physically.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
In general, I've never gotten there. I've never been well.
I was.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I would have been in San Diego this past week,
but uh, stuff came up.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
So oh and they wrapped Gamma Gold, which is really pretty.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Is that coincidence with or just coincidence or purposeful?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
It was not a coincidence. I was told directly that
the thumbnail I did comparing the Aptara to the cyber
cab inspired them to wrap but gold. That's that's what
they told me.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Dang, Drew, you got some pool over there.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
So I did one thumbnail and they were like, yeah,
we better wrap it. That's a cool look. I was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Said for that, Yeah, make it a nice deep red.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah. Neil deGrasse Tyson got to sit in it when
they were at Xprize with it. I also know that
they are working very hard on this new there's a
California state proposal that's like, uh, it's a credit system,
so it's not it's not a point of sale rebate.

(35:42):
But you know how Tesla gets ev credits when they
sell evs and then gas car makers buy those credits
to offset the fact that they didn't sell enough evs. Yes,
Tesla's made over nine billion dollar just through those credits

(36:03):
and Aptera has the potential, if this proposal in California
goes through, to make a huge amount of money from
those credits. So that's why they're pushing for it so
hard and trying to make sure that gets passed because
they have a ton of potential customers and accelerators in California,

(36:26):
so they're trying to make sure that that passes.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
So that.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
I mean, they designed the company to be profitable without
tax credits, but this would just give them an insanely
good secondary income stream that would let them fund other
things and ramp faster and build more factories and that
kind of thing. There you go, that's a good angle
of it. It's gorgeous.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
That's nice looking. I like that color combo, the golden.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, gold is the new gray.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
They have the naxt port is installed on the p
I two as well, and the full sized forty four
kilo hour battery pack, which is a first. All the
previous APTA prototypes weren't full sized battery packs, so this
is a also something we didn't film that I kind
of wish we would. All of the production lighting components,

(37:26):
Oh it's light tail light, the light bars, Jason Hill
has been teasing those on Twitter. They're lighting them.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Up, and.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
There he is.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Neil looks very excited.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Wow, he's ready to go.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
When you look at the space physics of it.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Cha, I can't find the video they did a is
a reel or something else with them. You can't find
it anywhere.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
It's funny, guys.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
There's one tiny design detail that I discovered on this
trip between the Apta and the cyber Cab. It's not
just that their gold, but the doors have not Not
only do they go upright, yes, that's the other obvious one,

(38:16):
but they moved from having the striker from being on
the car to now on the door. And I didn't
even notice that in person. I only noticed it once
I watched videos of the Cyber Cab striker. So you
know the little metal piece, the little metal loop that

(38:39):
the door closes on. Yeah, most cars and trucks have
that on the car itself, and then there's a motor
and a latch that goes into the door, right, and
on the Aptera and the cyber Cab its switched so
that metal loop is on the door and the latch

(39:02):
is on the car, and that saves on weight for
the door. So the doors are cheaper to build when
you flip them like that. And Aptera has been showing
that from the beginning. And I just realized when I
was looking at pictures and videos of the cyber cab, like,
oh yeah, Tesla did that as well. And you can
look on your Model three and wise it's not like that.

(39:24):
The metal loop is on the car, not the door.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
So I don't know why they've done it that way,
but it's a they're swapping them around.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
But if we don't know, we'll always chop it up
to efficiency.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It's efficiency. There's always room for improvement, although I don't
know how you could make a vehicle much more efficient
than an Aptera a teller, I mean efficient for a truck,
but not efficient, not as efficient if we're talking miles

(40:05):
per kilo whatever, space efficient.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, it's not it right here.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Right That metal loop is usually on the door. If
you look on your Model three and why yeah, yeah,
oh no, I'm sorry. Inverse' that's where the loop attaches to.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Yeah, so what makes it different from my car?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
Your car has the loop right there, the chrome loop.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, and on this it's also on the body.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
That's not a loop. That's as a loop. I have
the videos to prove it. You can take my word
for it, or I can share my screen.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
You don't have to. It's okay.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
I I know because I was editing it today and
I have footage of my Model three. If you had
a different angle of the door, you could see what
I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I'm looking through all my photos.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
But anyways, it's a little detail. But it's funny to
see them copy each other a little bit here and there. Seventeen.
So with that being said, I sold all my Tesla stuff.

(41:34):
Knew it. We're out boys.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
This man was teasing it before the podcast.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
We're done.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Longer.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Where are we at today? Like, I hang on, I
need to see I just opened up.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
You saw it recently.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, it was a good man, it was. I knew
it was overreacting, yep. And I saw the I was
watching it grow and grow and I was like, this
does not reflects is not sustainable. I was like, there's
no way it can sustain this growth, and the growth
isn't based on the company. I realized that this is

(42:16):
slowly becoming, not slowly, this is quickly becoming. You just
buy things because of Elon. This is Elon stock. It's
not Tesla stock anymore. Yeah, and I would maybe be
more interested in owning Tesla stock. But this is purely
like the valuation and that all the people buying it
are just like Elon is gotta be friends with the President,

(42:40):
and I'm like, Okay, the president that doesn't really believe
in EV's or know anything about EV's or care about
EV's or autonomy. Trump has said nothing on autonomous driving.
So everything is just overreaction, and I could be I

(43:01):
could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
You know.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I'm not saying it'll never go up. I don't think
it's going to crash. I'm definitely not shorting it. I
just I also realized, like I I know too much,
and I've already had to be careful in the past

(43:23):
with like knowing things before they're announced, and I have
to be kind of careful with that with like, you know,
technically having insider knowledge of things and messing around with
that and knowing that, Okay, during this period I can't
buy or sell the stock has made me go, you
know what, I really shouldn't be doing this. If I'm

(43:44):
a content creator and I'm also now working for another
EV startup, I'm done with the EV stock game. So
I also sold oh both my Canoe shares.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
No, sound like someone I know just getting out of
the EV space.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
I not only, but we're basically selling all our individual stocks. Dude,
we're done with individual stock ownership.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Like true, it's so good with the Canoe stock right now.
Oh my god, I it's been so good. I have
never lost more money in my life. Can you guess
where I bought?

Speaker 3 (44:28):
I'm gonna be honest. I don't know what prompted you
guys to buy Canoe. I didn't see it in the.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Nice They had good ideas.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
We caught the Falling Knife. It was at an all
time low, and we bought it and we were like, wow,
it'll never be this low again. And then it went
down ninety nine point nine nineteen.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
So luckily I didn't put much in, Like listen, I didn't, gentlemen,
A lot didn't.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
But we learn from our failures better than our own successes.
You this was, this is good, it's it's it's a
sobering experience. You just went into the drunk tank and
you're like, look at all this money. Then you realize that,
like this is volatile, that I mean by all means

(45:15):
all anybody else's invested in Tesla or whoever for the
volatility because they're risking it. Do what you gotta do, man,
Like I wouldn't put your life savings on it, you know,
don't take out a second mortgage the way people were
doing it for crypto or whatever. But you gotta if
you don't know why you're actually buying, if you don't

(45:38):
understand why you're doing your investment to begin with. And
I don't just mean like ooh, to make money, but
what you're actually like backing you had to do it.
And the Tesla stock for the longest time is performing
like an elon NFT And I'm like, I don't like this, hm,
I haven't liked it in a very very long time.

(45:59):
And the whole the whole fact that he's I mean,
I said it in my video about like, you know,
I feel like the Republican Party's trolling right now and
do it for the memes and more power to you,
but uh, this whole doge thing, and.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
I don't get it. I really don't. It's like, Okay,
there's a there's actually going to be a Department of
Government Efficiency.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Now, well, I have a correction that I learned from
since I made that video. It's not an actual department.
It you want to talk about like, oh, Elan's you know,
friends with the president. Uh, it's a half truth, Like
it's not an actual department. It's not going to be
because that's going to take money and that requires like
a confirmation of sorts to even create a new thing.

(46:41):
It's a consulting and it's going and it's Elon and
uh vivek Ramaswami are gonna be these two consultants to
the president without actually having an official federal employment position
on his in his cabinet.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
But what's stupid to me and why I wanted to
get out of it. I'm sorry, I'm boring. I'm just
doing the Dave Ramsey thing now. I'm just doing mutual.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
You're here here, here.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
No, I'm not. I'm here to look I'm not here
to look at stock prices anymore. I've removed the stock's
widget from my phone in my Mac like I don't
look at I don't look at stock prices. I'm tired
of doing that and I'm just gonna put it in
mutual funds and forget about it. Absolutely I'm not looking
to I don't buy into the whole Buy this and

(47:32):
it will make you rich, and we're fine, Okay, we're not.
We're not hurting for money. I don't need to be
rich mo money more problems, Like I'm not. I'm not
daydreaming of one day owning a big mansion. That's just
not my dream. Like to me, time is so much
more valuable than money, Like I, I look for ways

(47:53):
to free up flexibility so that I can go on
these trips like I did with my wife and maximize
that so that we just have freedom and control. To me,
and I've got friends and family all over the place,
I don't have any interest in putting a bunch of
money on some big house or some nice car. Like I,

(48:13):
regardless of how much money I make, I still want
something that's cheap to work on, something that's more affordable
and reasonable, because I don't like driving around big liabilities
everywhere I go. So it's just not my It's never
been my dream to just be filthy rich, So I'd
never have been interested in that game plan. But what's

(48:35):
stupid to me is that just because there's a department
that's not really a department or whatever of government efficiency.
Somehow the name similarity has pushed up doge coin substantially.
I'm like, that literally has nothing to do with dose coin.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
There is no plan on adopting doge coin as a
real currency. There's no like, no one. Elon isn't even
claiming that this department is going to have some kind
of crypto adoption. There's none of that. It's literally just
the name, yeah, is the same, so by it And

(49:14):
I'm like, yeah, this is this is culty, this is
just it's bizarre and I'm.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Not And now you no longer are financially invested in
this outcome because you have nothing at stake anymore. Selling
my stock was the most freeing experience. I see things
so much more objectively now, and I can say things
with more conviction, with confidence that the things that I

(49:46):
like and don't like about just this this whole evy space,
you know, like this is this is more. There's more
to this space than the big personality right there on
the stage, you know what I mean? Like that you
said it in Tech and the Tech podcaster that like,
how did we get to the point where Zuck seems

(50:06):
like the sane one and Elon is the weird neurotic
lizard person one in his own right, you know, like.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Just so much of it isn't based on anything. It's
just like millions of dollars being poured into it because
it's the same name.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
Makes no sense. Mm hmm, it makes no sense. I
don't I don't. I don't understand that I'm.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Any like I'm an EV guy at the end of this,
Like we don't on the tech podcast, we don't talk
about applestock, we don't talk about MetaStock. We talk about
the products and the services. And I feel like, for
some reason in the EV community we have this really,
really bad habit of turning everything into a financial debate

(50:49):
about whether or not this company is a worthy.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Why has an abterragone public done if they're so comforted.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I'm sure they will, and they have plans too, They've
done the paperwork. But again it's like, why does that matter?

Speaker 2 (51:05):
This is what happens when you go public. You have
some great ideas in terms of what you're making, and
then here's the reality a couple of years later of
what you think you're making.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
What I think is a really great example is look
at what's in the foreground versus what's in the background.
Foreground is consumer products, background is delivery products. What's in
the foreground now delivery delivery, delivery consumer consumer way in
the back with a pickup truck that has been redesigned

(51:38):
many times in a van that doesn't seem to be
coming anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
To be honest, they furloughed like a quarter of the company,
so es I think they're about to declare bank.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
To be honest, I feel like going back to what
I was talking about with like why you're investing. I
think I got started with the intent with the single
stock of buying Tesla that I would want, say, use
those shares to buy a Tesla, and then we got
there and it just kept climbing, and I admittedly like
I lost I lost my focus, I lost my vision

(52:12):
along the way about what was important about why I
even did that purchase. And I purchased within the stock
to to put my support behind it and not to
be the richest person in the room, but just to
afford or a down payment or something for the car.
And it went way beyond that, and I was like,
oh wow, I tapped into the next apple. But what

(52:36):
I did not assess in all of that was the
social implications that were going to come with it in
a way that I think was like just not part
of its time in the eighties or whatever you would
have found worth the value with Microsoft in the nineties,
or I was looking for like the next big thing

(52:58):
that I actually believed in I would use and I
And when I did that back in twenty twenty eighteen,
I never thought about the social implication of it because
back then, like Elon was just this another almost like
mysterious kind of person who who was larger than life personality,
and I was like, oh, the next the jobs real

(53:20):
innovator and as close as you could without actually happening
the whole set, like you know, don't meet your heroes.
I was like, dang, this guy's not just weird. I
don't mind weird, but like just the stuff that he
puts out there, it's not it doesn't align with the
other parts of it. And I just felt that for

(53:42):
so long, I was just always opening the stock app
back then it was Robinhood and then Fidelity, and I
was like, man, this, I don't like stressing about this,
like is it up or down? Like that? That's not
what investing is supposed to be for most people. I
was treating the stock like I was on Shark Tank,
and I was one of the sharks. And I don't

(54:04):
want that. I don't want that stress with that, that
that ability, or that that that focus. Because there was
more money at stake than the moment you get emotional
about your investment because you see what's happening to it,
You're you're already in too much, You're you're in too
deep with it. So the lesson I learned from that,

(54:24):
even though I didn't lose financially, I lost emotionally. The
lesson for that is that I'm never going to invest
in another EV company uh As with money, I'll be
a customer. And that's where that's what I wanted the
relationship to always be with Tesla, and I just kind
of got a little bit greedy along the way, and
I lessons learned that's not what that's not what it

(54:47):
was meant to be for at least for me. So
as much as I'm a Rivian stand I'm not going
to buy the stock. I don't care what happens, and
I'm absolutely optimistic about it. I won't buy any of
them I even if even and if you came to
me dream like, listen, uh off the record. I have
the inn with Tello, and they're gonna go public, and

(55:07):
I'm gonna let you guys be early invested so you
can when they ring that bell on Wall Street, you
guys can sell your stock out high as the shoots.
Even if you did that, I would respectfully and politely decline.
I'd be like, I'm just that I would rather be
a customer and enjoy the product for what it is,
because I don't want to be involved in the business
transactions anymore. I just want to be a customer. So

(55:31):
congratulations to all of us for getting the hell away
from this stress. Even though like we all walked away,
I assume we all walked away on top. It was stressful.
Oh yeah, that wasn't fun.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
The Tesla stuck definitely uh more than covered my canoe losses,
that's sure.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, so it's still still overall ahead for sure. I
bought several years ago before the big crazy good takeoff,
and I know I probably could have held it, and
there's a chance that it will grow more and I
could have made more, but I just I don't like

(56:19):
playing that game when you know people and they're sharing
things that aren't supposed to be shared yet, and I
just didn't want to fuss around with that anymore. So
I prefer just a blanket statement of I own no
individual stocks. That way, I don't have to worry about
any kind of potential.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
You're more honest than most politicians.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
You can't be honest and be a politician or tech reviewers.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
You can't like all these stocks. I think the best
thing that any politician, including I guess, if we want
to consider elon something of that caliber, now, the best
thing you can do is have no conflict of interests.
And yep, I I mean we have a whole freaking
what that Pulowski tracker thing on. It's it's a whole thing,

(57:09):
right like to to absolve yourself of any responsibility, liability,
or influence. And inside training, I mean they did make
an example of the little guys anyway, the people like that.
If you get caught with insider training, then then that
we saw what happened to Martha Stewart, she became best

(57:31):
friends with Snoop.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah, it might be worth it in their crimes. I
will yeah, I will agree with you. I'm done. I'm
not investing in anybody. Just to be clear, I have
no Aptura investment, I have no tell O investment. They
have not given me any equity, so no no sharers
to prioritize or to try to control the narrative or

(57:55):
anything like that. I just want to talk about the
products when it's I'm an ev guy, I'm not a
finance guy. If you want my investment advice, which I
can't give because I'm not an advisor, but I say
listen to Dave Ramsey because he is an advisor and
he's gotten thousands of hundreds, tens of thousands of people

(58:16):
out of debt and his stuff works, so.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
And it's and it's not sexy, it's boring. But that's
that's the right point. That's the right mentality to have
right after the stressors that I did when I was
you know, dab you guys were playing with canoe while
that a couple of years ago, while I was screwing
around with crypto, and we all felt the same effect,
like damn, I regret that. But I mean I went

(58:41):
into it with the full intent of like this is
not going to go anywhere. But I don't like that feeling.
I just I'm a dad now. I guess I don't know.
I want to be boring. I want to be boring
with that stuff you shouldn't even if it's play money.
I would rather use play money to buy that hypothetical
m fo iPad pro then then throw it at some

(59:01):
stock that I don't even understand what's happening.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
That it distracts. I think investment talk distracts from the
product talk, which I think is the more interesting excited
things for me. Like how many years now have we
seen people claiming that Lucid is about to die, The
Lucid investments are bad, the stock is down, the companies

(59:29):
blah blah blah. Yeah, and sure it's probably all true
that the financials don't look good and they're losing money,
and yet they're still going. They're still building cars, they're
about to deliver gravity, they launched the Configurator and everything.
Rivian also is in tough times. But I actually got
to check out my first Rivian store down in San Diego,

(59:53):
the new one. I think it's pretty new.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
It is new.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Yeah, it was very fun. It was they had the
Gen two vehicles out on display, so we got to
see the new camera feeds and the new.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
I need to go to Denver. I need to go
into the showroom and see what this is all about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
It was closed the last time you went, wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
They're closed on Sundays, and now I know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Did we go? Anyway? They they had merch available and
they had all the tires on these little rollers so
that you can look at the different wheel options, and
I could look at Ocean Coast and the new stealth
colors and just overall amazing vehicles, amazing atmosphere they created
at that Rivian space or whatever they call Rivian experience.

(01:00:41):
It was super cool and super fun. My whole family
was walking around. We all got to check it out.
They were asking questions and we were looking at things,
and I wish Rivian all the best, and I loved
the products, but no need for the stock. Yes, yeah,
maybe it's a fundamental thing. But you know, as we're

(01:01:03):
wrapping up this kind of let's put a pause on
or permanent closure to the investment talk, this will probably
be our last time, yeah, diving into it. It's like
for individuals, you really, in my opinion, shouldn't be trying
to find some Okay, there's just not a lot of

(01:01:24):
success stories of like millionaires, Wow, how did you make
your fortune? Well, I invested in the right company at
the right time, and that's why I'm famous. It's like that. Yeah,
it's pretty rare. I mean, I'm sure it happens occasionally,
but ninety nine percent of the time, the reason people
have done well in their life is because they lived

(01:01:45):
within their means, and they were disciplined, and they just
worked hard, you know, and they they got what they have.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
From most millionaires to Ramsey, since we're talking about them
become millionaires off of their own nine to five job
and once once they are disciplined about their financial literacy
and and they get them. Really get yourself out of
debt and live under within your means. Like that, the
compounding does its thing over time and again it's boring.

(01:02:17):
We're not I'm kind of you know what it is, Tesla,
the new space of EVS, crypto whatever is after all
this it's just a different version of gambling.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
And caulated gambling.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
But yeah, but I don't I'm not like you were saying, Drew,
I'm not interested. I'm more interested with my time than
like this. I like that you brought up because I
was gonna say, like us talking about us now the
Tesla stock and stuff like that. I I don't know
how our audience feels about, but I actually don't enjoy

(01:02:53):
talking about the financials with the evs in general, because
that's not what it was about. It was this cool
new breakthrough with the technology paving the way literally paving
for a new a new industry that we get to
experience in our lifetime. And that has nothing to do

(01:03:14):
with how the stock is performing. And I think what
you said with with sapphire are the Lucid sapphire and
gravity and all these things. Oh hi, Lucid, we will
see you. Okay, that mentality I hate it on that
company for so long for all the wrong reasons, and really,
at the end of the day, I don't care because

(01:03:36):
this isn't a finance we're not financial advisors, this isn't
a financial podcast. We're here to admire the products for
what they are and let's take it at face value.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
So I say, let the big investment groups and let
the big venture capitalists do all that they should focus
on who to invest in and who they think will
do and also people who have done very well for themselves,
very wealthy people who have left, you know, money laying around,

(01:04:08):
and they're wondering, Hey, what what do I believe in?
What do I want to invest in? Let those big
rich guys do the EV investing, because EV investing in
general is just so risky car investing of any kind,
it's not a very profitable business. And for some reason,
I think it's mostly Tesla stock that's started this trend.

(01:04:28):
But for some reason, these auto stocks are convinced that
if we bet on the right brand, you're going to
become a billionaire if you throw your life savings. And
I don't like that attitude. And I mean, look at
all kinds of legacy automakers, even the ones that have
been around for decades, don't perform that great. It's not

(01:04:50):
an industry known for being particularly profitable. And I think
for some reason, maybe it's Tesla that there's so many
people convinced that this is somehow the next oil, Like
if I just got to invest in the right EV
brand and then I'll be rich and all my problems.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
You know, what's more exciting than that being able to
afford to buy a cheaper, more consumer mass produced EV
of that right brand. If whicheveryone is the right brand,
I would be more excited to be the customer of
having that right brand than investing in that right brand.
Because at the end of the day, all investment is speculative,

(01:05:28):
you know. That's why everything that you ever sign up for,
when it comes to that stuff, it comes with that
warning that nothing is guaranteed. It's not government backed, it's
just you're betting on some things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
Well then invests. The the mean for it or the
narrative for it has changed a lot. Nowadays. It feels
like people want to invest so that they can get rich.
But it used to be more like you believe in this,
you want it to happen. It's like I see it
a lot more at e the Aptera accelerator community. A

(01:06:02):
lot of people invested in that not because they think
they'll get rich from it. It's because they just want
that product to exist. Yeah, they're like, we we want
this to succeed, that's why we're investing. And I wish
it was more about that. But I think the best
way to really invest that way is just like you said,

(01:06:23):
be a customer and be engaged in the community, stilling
with your dollar that way, Yeah, exactly, just just supporting
these or like both of you guys had with buying
Rivian Merchy exactly the brand. Yeah you want, you're like,
ask me about it. Let's talk about it, and we're
happy to go to these spaces or go to events

(01:06:45):
or talk to owners and engage with the brand and
build the company that way rather than how does It's
like so many of these EV companies, their missions really
have nothing to do with make our investors gobs of
money when we get to that stage, that's that's Apple. Yeah,
it's kind of boring. It kind of gets stale when

(01:07:07):
you're the company that's like, maximize the profit, bring shareholder value,
bring shareholder Apple intelligence, over marketing, that's a bring shareholder
value discussion. The EV thing was supposed to be there's
a mission. We have a problem. We need to move
towards more sustainable transport. There's a lot of challenges. It's
not easy. Not everybody's gonna make it. But let's invest or.

(01:07:30):
Let's support verbally or through merch or through the product
or whatever. Let's support those noble missions. Not because we
believe it's going to make us filthy rich, but because
we believe it's necessary for the planet, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
And I think that's where like my goal for the
next season of our ev stuff is, I, now that
I'm no longer tied financial lead to the point where
it's stress, my goal is to look at all companies
new and withstanding that, I'm going to be more fair

(01:08:12):
and objective, like I will with time to decompress. I
will I will take Lucid more seriously for for what
it has, because like at this point, like it's all
none of this if I was too analytical about all this,
which was the wrong thing to think that was gonna
happen with because then Tesla doesn't make sense with the

(01:08:33):
evaluation that it has right now. And we know that
Lucid's not going to go anywhere as long as they
have Saudi money. So at that point then I'm not
going to pout that that it's it's off the course
of the thing. I'm just going to sit in my
comfy chair and enjoy the right I'm going to watch
all these play out, and and now I feel more

(01:08:55):
excited for more startups to to come to foruition, one
of which you're an employee of, and another that we
all are interested in. Even if I know, I'm not
going to be a customer. I want to appreciate for
for for the product's sake of it, because that's the
pure intention of why the passion is there. It's not
about money. There's easy if you want to make money, guys, uh,

(01:09:18):
you know, buy financial like JP Morgan Chase stock or
something like something with a high dividend, Like if it
doesn't pay dividend, then it's like, probably that's gonna get
you that much money because you don't really know if
you if you're trying, if your goals to like maximize
returns and stuff like that. There is way more established
ways out there where you can make money and and

(01:09:40):
get that high. And I don't feel like it should
be a product should be held hostage for it or
a sector be held osage for it the way evs
have been, because now EV's went from like oh uh,
you're just a you know, a soy boy liberal buying
the thing, and that was the stigma too. Now it's
like but if now if you have a tesla, it's like, oh,

(01:10:01):
there you go. You're you're you're you're a muscineer or
Trump whatever, And I'm like, I don't I don't want
any of these I didn't ask for any of these labels.
It took it took the fun out of it. If
it forced me to be seen through a certain lens
that I would I didn't want to be defined by
the car that I have, because that's not why I

(01:10:22):
got the car. It's not a status symbol for me.
I did it because I like the tech. I'm just
I'm just a tech nerd at the end of the
day that's interested in all the technology, so too to
relinquish all the financial obligation that would come to any
of that. Now, when we talk about money, I wanted
to be about it being more affordable, new network's coming

(01:10:43):
online outside of the supercharging networks, or maybe a type
of collaboration that will happen with Tesla, like because at
the end of the day, even though we're all out
of the stock, I'm still rooting for Tesla. I still
believe in Tesla, and I think they're gonna keep doing
great things. I just don't need to, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
I think they'll do it there In long term, I
think the stock will go up. I do. I'm not
saying it's about to fall off. I'm just saying I don't.
I don't want the personal investment and uh yeah, let's
let's focus on this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I don't want people to listen to us because we
have financial incentive one way or the other when it
comes to the things that we're fans about. If people
who at least come to us to take in the information,
it's because either we you know, you guys have a
lot of first time experience with all these like new
productions and stuff like that, but just our own experiences
because we have thoughts on FSD or because you know,

(01:11:36):
we thought this next update or what the UI on
the screen changed, but things with our as ownerships, with
our Tesla's I find that more engaging for conversation and
then seeing what else is out there and knowing what
what our next vehicle might be, even if it's not
a Tesla, and knowing that we all believe that ev
is the future and that's going to be the new

(01:11:57):
standard eventually. I would like to see that in my lifetime.
That's more worthwhile in decats me excited to like do
deep dives on because it's it's it's for the love
of the product, not the love of the stock. I
never care. I don't care. So, yeah, are you out, Mike?

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
Are you out of all your individual stocks or do
you still.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Have I still have Canoe, Ribbon and Lucid probably to
pull out of mm hmm, but okay, I know news
such as was it Rivian VW officially launching their partnership
will probably help it. So that's, I hope, so exciting.
We knew it was coming. It's nice to see it.

(01:12:40):
They actually it's a good partnership. They both need it. Yeah.
What's interesting is Vulva or Volkswagen is putting money into
two adventure brands. It's a lot of money, and so
like others, they're hoping their investment pays off in the end,
and at least one seems like there is a bright horizon.

(01:13:02):
It's going to be a long road, and then the
other ones just getting started.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
You know, Mike, I want to hear from you first,
because you're I don't know how you put it in
my head, but I have a question both of you guys,
why do you think Toyota has not got on board yet?

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
They don't believe in evs. They think hybrids are the future.
They along with that, the push for all electric by
twenty thirty five or whatever turned them off immediately, and
they're like, no, that's not gonna happen. They bet against
it and came out with something that was a partnership

(01:13:43):
with Honda No Subaru, and Honda has shown that partnership
with GM has proven to be great when you're considering leases.
But otherwise it's true, there's just not their leadership doesn't
believe in evs as the future.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
That's true. I'm a little more conspiracy theorist, but I
think there's a lot of big oil manipulation with Toyota.
I'm not exactly sure why, but the whole hydrogen thing
was such a boardroom decision to me, with the Marai,

(01:14:27):
it was clearly like a shell can supply hydrogen fuel,
and we need your products to show that you want
to keep buying shell fuel sources, whether it's gas or
whether it's hydrogen. And anyone who's done the math on

(01:14:48):
the infrastructure costs and maintenance cost of hydrogen would know
it's not worth pursuing. The fact that they've been so
pushy on that. I guess they've allegedly had a lot
of solid state battery development, but again, it's just it's
like FSD it keeps getting pushed back next year.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
Stilantis recently said they're putting solid states into the Dodge
Charger Daytona, but not for customers. It's going to be
for a select grouping of them, and that's just a test.
But I believe that there has been developments with solid
state batteries. It's just to what extent and how beneficial
is it with current day technology. And I don't think

(01:15:33):
it's measuring up to anything close to what we've achieved
with lithium ion or lithium iron phosphate or just anything
else that works on current tech.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
You're betting a little bit too much on future tech
that you need to start somewhere soon.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
It's fancy tech that isn't really addressing the main problem.
Like the main advantages be it's super energy dense and
it can recharge really quickly. But the bigger problem with
EV batteries is evs are big. You need a lot
of them, and how many can you builds. That's usually
the main limiting factor, the main bottleneck with any EV batteries.

(01:16:18):
So that's why so many startups, including Aptera, including Tello,
are using twenty one to seventy cells. Rivian also uses
twenty one seventies, as does Lucid. Is because they are scalable.
It's not because they have some kind of magic chemistry
that allows way better energy density than anything else on
the market. It's like, no, they're dense enough, they can

(01:16:40):
recharge fast enough, and we can crank them out like
coke bottles, you know, like there's just tons of them
on the market, So that's why we use them, and
the solid state game is just one of those. Oh
but then the battery will reach out, okay with what chargers?
Are the chargers optimized for that? Like that? How many

(01:17:01):
of these can you build? Oh? Ten a year? Okay,
then it's not really moving the needle. Like low volume
solid state production has probably been around for a decade
at this point. Like it's been around for a while.
The question is can you like scale it up so
that you can build tons of cars with it? And
that's why I don't get excited or interested when they're

(01:17:21):
talking about, oh, we're in a low volumes, we're going
to do a small batch, and I'm like, that's not
the point.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
I think their graphic on their website puts it pretty
well where they stand they've got one battery EV, one
fuel cell EV to plug in hybrid evs yeah, with
the PRIs Prime and the Raft four Prime. And then
after that they say hybrid EV, which is just it's

(01:17:49):
electrical assisted. Toyota crowns no charge toys. There's yeah, it's
assisted by some battery in there, but it's not like
I off of it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
I ask you, guys, because I always found it interesting that, like,
out of all the legacy auto, Toyota has done very
well over the decades, like it's a very reliable brand. Yeah,
and they were one of the ones that like it's
like you have the five most trusted people that you

(01:18:24):
trust in your life in a room, and four out
of the five says do this, but one of the
five says no. And I can't help but really want
to listen to that know about like why why why
are we not having consensus here? You are an authoritative
source in my opinion, and you know a lot, and

(01:18:46):
you've been around and you have done well, and they
do they know something we don't. Probably not. Maybe it's
as simple as they just it's not good for their
business model, or maybe because there's some oil it's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Definitely profitable in the short term, if you want to
look at it that way. Like we know legacy autos
like Ford and VW have lost billions of dollars on
their evs. Sure, so it's an EVS are I think
very much a long term game. Short term they're not

(01:19:20):
very profitable, and for legacy auto it can be quite
hurtful to your margins. But Toyota might just be thinking
in the short term. They might just be like, well,
we can't see a quick path of profitability, so why bother.
We'd rather wait until we can see a way to
make it profitable quickly. And to be fair, I think

(01:19:42):
they could catch up really easily. They've got money, they've
got resources. I don't think it would be hard for
them to It would really only take a year or
two for them to be like, Okay, let's make all
electric Prius that just uses a twenty one to seventy pack.
You know, Boom Sardi Aero Dynamic. You already got a
fairly efficient motor, all right, it's got some decent charging speeds.

(01:20:06):
NAX is now open, so that standard has already been
public and easy to adopt, so they could probably leapfrog
everybody pretty fast.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
I mean the price of a prize.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Yes, that would.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Be just what people want. They want something that can go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Really far but costs nothing, and they've got a lot
of brand power too, Toyota. That's like I think the
Beezy is terrible. The fact that you can only charge
it fast, charge it twice a day as a joke.
And yet I see them all over the place. Tons
of people bought them. You brought up the prologue. It's

(01:20:45):
one of the best selling evs in the country right now,
and I saw them everywhere in San Diego. They were
all over the place. It was nuts, so many prologues
and on paper like that. There's really nothing significant about it.
It's it's a big, kind of inefficient, clunky, not a

(01:21:07):
lot of storage space, there's no fronk. I saw some people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
It's a blazer. It's a blazer underneath. That's all it is.
Just I would argue it's.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
A less interesting blazer in my like, there's nothing about
it very interesting other than well, it's a Honda. So
if you like Honda, I guess there you go. But
people buy I bet people are leasing it. It's a
very popular lease.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Yeah, I believe Doug Demir also talked to them when
you reviewed the prologue, and they pretty much admitted, yeah,
we can't make anything like the model. Why, but people
are looking for something that is a Honda that is electric,
so we're giving them that option.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Yeah. So that's what I mean, Like the BEZ is
least at least or maybe it's sold fairly well and
it's not very good. So I think that's the power
of the Toyota or the Honda brand, just a brand
people know and trust, which means if they did make
something that wasn't trash, it would probably sell very well.

(01:22:13):
Like if they made something with decent range, decent charging
at a reasonable price, it would probably do even better
because then you'd get even the the non brand loyalists
involved to be like, hey, this is a similar price
to them model. Why, it's got better practicality or something

(01:22:33):
better infotainment whatever it is. So Toyota I see is
potentially they're like a sleeping giant, Like they could get
serious about EV's fairly quickly. I don't think it's like
too little, too late kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
I think it's what's incredibly captured in this meme right
here with Mariam McFly very much, saying, I guess you
guys aren't ready for that, but your kids are gonna
love it. It's pretty much their mindset right now. Mm hmmm,
you're not ready for the e V yet or more
if they're not ready for the EV yet, Yeah, that's true.

(01:23:16):
Your kids are gonna love it when it's more profitable.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
I mean to be fair, like we're right now, we're
still early adoption phase right, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
We're not.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
We're the weird ones. We're the odd people out. We
see them everywhere because we know what to look for,
but we're not at mass adoption yet.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
So that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:23:38):
Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe maybe Toyota is trying to take
the Apple approach. We're not going to be first, but
we'll be bad. I mean, those guys have great vehicles,
the Corolla, the Camry, those things are have always been
like they hold their value, their top sellers. They were
up there with the Honda Civics and the Nissan. I

(01:24:00):
don't know what Nissan's one is, Ultima.

Speaker 1 (01:24:02):
Maybe that's a car I want to go all electric?

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Which one?

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
Honda Civic?

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Dude? Dude, oh you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:24:10):
Shit, bare bones basics every time I see the Civic,
I'm like, that's a surprisingly aerodynamic design, and I like
how small it is. It's not a very big sedan.
And I'm a fan of, you know, space efficiency.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
So Honda Civic was my first car I ever owned
mine too, what of course, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Here's the Yeah, it's the twenty twenty four. But my mind, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
A lot more aggressive than the ones I'm thinking of.

Speaker 3 (01:24:40):
Mine was I think a twenty ten Hondas or twenty
eleven something like that I want.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I mean, it's it's a shame the whole supercharger doesn't
work with the eight hundred vold architecture because Steve Fambro
drives to Yeah, perfect, it's beautiful. But like I want
more evs like the Ionic six, like magic Mouse on wheels,

(01:25:08):
super and high range, small battery, just efficient, you know. Yeah,
that's what I wish Honda would go after. Maybe they
will with the saloon kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
If they go forward with that idea of future retro.
Was it was it the Honda revision or whatever it is?

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Well, they the Honda Saloon was the one I really liked.
It was like the most aerodynamic sedan shape you could
probably make. And what they mainly were going at was
we want smart range. We don't want to just stuff
a bunch of batteries in the car. We want to
get more range with every killo what hour we can.

(01:25:56):
And that's what That's what I think the future is.
It's going to be more and more vehicles like that,
like blending the hood with the window.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Bruce Wayne, Lamborghini batmobile looking Yeah, uh, most right, much
more setup.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
I really like Rushlock with the lights.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Yeah, I really like that design. And they claimed they're
gonna obviously this is a concept car, so lots of
lots of things are going to change, but I hope
the general shape at least of the exterior on the
production model they say they want to do in twenty
twenty six. It's like, also, this is asking for solar.

(01:26:36):
You've got tons of surface area for solar cells. Ugh,
that's the dream. If you could get five miles per
kilod hour with fourteen hundred WTTs of solar, you could
probably still get forty miles of range per day for free.

(01:27:00):
That's where it's headed. That's what that's what this is
all going to. We can we can make it now
or make it later. But that's what it's going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
We we need the first domino to fall. That's that's
actually making it viable so we can show it. We
don't need concepts, we need like a production one out
there that says, look, this is now.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
Honestly, the dream scenario would be Model threes and Lucids
are already getting five miles per kilo hour. If you
if they, if one of them inks a deal with Aptera,
I think you'd really get the gears turning on people's
heads of like.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Oh, right now, Lucid's charging, we're not charging. There they
was it? They have Project six or whatever it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Is, Yeah, road to six or something.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Road to six or whatever, which is their internal gold
make a vehicle that can do six miles per kilo
what hour or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Yeah, that would be great, and that's that's already better
than the cyber cab. I'm honestly quite disappointed that the
cyber cab they're only talking about hitting five point five.
I'm like, really, that's it up at five and a half.
By cutting out the whole back row and only having

(01:28:17):
two doors like ap Terra's talking about doing ten, maybe
they don't hit ten. But even if they hit eight,
that would be amazing. Even if they hit seven, that
would be unheard of. Lucid isn't even talking about hitting
seven miles per kilo hour.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
I want to see I I want to see what
I was hoping to see at Battery Day many years ago.
I want to see that come to fruition. What we
were like, Oh, can you imagine?

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
You know, Battery Day was such a disappointment in hindsight,
like nothing happened from that event.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
I remember we were talking about like even if it's
far out there, stuff like like, oh no, now we're
going to make the first you know, solid state battery. Oh,
we're going to make it. It's just something. But I
had a realization about this whole cyber cabs and FSD
and all that, Like why I'm not I'm so turned
off by it. When you buy, at least right now

(01:29:19):
in the next ten years, I believe, when you buy
an EV, I want to drive it. Like I get
excited operating the vehicle. It's cool to have the adaptive
cruise control elements or enhance autopil or whatever you want
to call it. I like things that would help me
for when I'm sitting bumper to bumper. But when I'm
moving that thing and we're actually like going, I want

(01:29:41):
to be in control of the thing. I want to
feel like I'm a pilot, you know, like that that
makes me like, oh, this is a great vehicle, not
sit there in this you know, sterile feeling environment where
I'm just like wow, this is a thing, and I
feel like I'd have more excitement sitting on a city
bus or something at that point. But uh, the idea

(01:30:04):
of of an electric vehicle being at your control and
you get all the same cool tech, all the same
cool app features on your phone, Like I want to
I want to feel like I'm a you know, a
captain of a ship, not a passenger in my own vehicle.
I like the idea of what it's supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
Do, especially a smaller vessel like that. You know, imagine
getting in a canoe and the canoe is like oh
I will I will steer where you want to go, yeah,
or a motor boat or a fishing boat.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
It's like it's not fully it's not fully a control
thing for me. It's like when it's something that's cool,
like you're like wow, I'm having like a fun reaction
to this, like I don't want to. I don't want
to go ninety percent of the way, Like I want
to go the full hundred. I want to drive the thing.
I want to. I want to experience it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
I want to.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
It's pretty neat actually actually.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
Talking about Honda and fun driving.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Yeah, that's actually really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
This is a concept vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Yeah, of course it's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Looking is taking forever.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
So the more the more that Testa was like a
ton of striving is the future you did to a degree,
it might be right, and maybe they get involved with
you know, local government, governments in city.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Or riding in the cyber cab is not going to
be that much more exciting than riding in a bus, right,
That's what I'm saying. Like you get on a bus,
you don't necessarily see the driver.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
No, you just sit there and go and you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Wow, it's moving.

Speaker 3 (01:31:37):
Yeah, I'm here, I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
I think what you're kind of making me realize. The
reason I'm so obsessed with companies like Aptera and like
Tello is because I believe the EV industry doesn't need
a revolution in batteries, it doesn't need a revolution in chemistry.
It needs a revolution in vehicle assembly and manufacturing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
I was waiting for culture, but I think that's what
you're describing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
Yeah, that's a good word for it, Like the culture
around how the vehicle is put together. It's not an
issue of do we have batteries that can get us
four hundred miles? It's like, no, we do, it's just
the darn boxes you keep putting them in can't hit
it because they're too inefficient. They're not shaped right, they're
not aerodynamic enough, they're not efficient enough, and you just

(01:32:30):
want to keep taking the designs from one hundred years
ago in slap batteries on the inside and then complain
that they're too expensive and too heavy and too inefficient. Whereas,
like I think Tello, the reason I got so pumped
by them reading into the specs was realizing this has

(01:32:50):
similar capability or better than a Tacoma, and it weighs
about the same. There's not a way as so many
it's much much smaller, you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
Don't have to pack in so much more space and
things that you don't necessarily need, and it still has
everything that you do need to do or right that
you do need to have.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
And this is not banking on some kind of alien
battery technology. It's not revolution and chemistry.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
You he tweeted out on the Tello thing on the
handle that and it was recent within the last I
think two days I saw you do it. That he
did it showed us side by side of the of
the two trucks, and you're and you talked about the
bed size, and you're like, the problem isn't like you

(01:33:42):
you're highlighting the the inefficiencies of of what we have
going on right now. And if you can have the
same I don't not production, but like if you have
if like a truck, you think about the bed, if
you can have the same bed but more efficient, like,

(01:34:08):
why wouldn't you go for that? And I meanless it's
a company.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Car cares how big the truck is, right, Like that's yeah,
that's a barrier. I think I've already experienced online with
pushback on the Tellow truck channels. Is like a lot
of people just assume because it's small, that must mean
it's less capable or ice segment and I'm like, no,
this this can do a lot of the same things

(01:34:31):
those full size pickups can do sometimes more. And that's
why we're comparing the price with those big trucks is
because it's like, just because it's smaller doesn't mean it's
less capable. In fact, because we're so smart about the
way it's engineered inside and out, oftentimes it's more capable.
You'll get more performance, so you'll get more capacity and

(01:34:55):
pay far less money to operate. So it's not necessarily
about small because we like things to be small. It's cute.
It's like, no, this is just smart, This is just efficiency.
Is like the pursuit of being less wasteful. It's like
you're not paying for all these additional parts and components
you don't need. That applies to other EV trucks as well,

(01:35:15):
not just gas trucks. Yeah, that's what excites me. Rethinking
the vehicle form factor rather than just are there better
batteries around the corner? Are there?

Speaker 3 (01:35:28):
That's what got me excited about That's what got me
excited about Tesla in the first place, because the form
factor was so it wasn't a Nissan leaf and like
there was sex appealed to it, but it was also
with the intention of that, like this thing looks I
remember seeing the models for the first time in person.
I was like whoa, this thing looks like a spaceship,

(01:35:49):
even though it wasn't like hindsight like I see the
old you know, twenty fourteen and older ones. I'm like, yeah,
it wasn't that. But to me, I was like, wow,
it's not me. It's silent. I was. I know. I
was at a Kroger's and I was in a parking
lot and it was just driving or I was walking
up to the store and it was just driving right

(01:36:10):
by me, and I was like, and I never forgot
that feeling where I was like, this thing looks amazing.
And I saw how low profile it was. It wasn't
big in boxy, it was aerodynamic enough. And that was
the first time I ever like noticed the Tesla. And
I go and I looked at the back, like what
vehicles it and it said Tesla. I was like, this

(01:36:32):
thing is cool. And then I just I had the
bug ever since it was just there, I was like,
I I was obsessed with it. Yeah, except the one
I saw was it was not silver. It was like
an like almost like Champagne. It was an off silver.
There's like a golden silver queue to it. And I
was obsessed with looking. I was like this thing is amazing.

(01:36:57):
I didn't even know what it was. I didn't not
much costs. I never thought I ever owned one. I
just thought it was so cool to see, like a
bronze almost. I think it was like a bronze. I
think I'm thinking about it now.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
I know what you're talking about. The only one I
could find is the brown one, which is like a
dark brown.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
But yeah, yeah, but that right there, that was revolutionary
for an electric vehicle because what I remember before that
was a leaf, a Nissan leaf, and that thing just
looked inefficient. Ninety miles to a whole battery charge, it
just looked inefficient. But when I saw this as like,

(01:37:35):
it's a car, it's big, it's sleek, it looks very
like capable of just moving through the roads.

Speaker 1 (01:37:41):
And you'll you'll get a if you're curious, you'll get
a lot of backstory on the Nissan Leaf on one
of the Tellow Talks episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Congrats by the way, Yeah dude, another podcast, sir, I
thought you were done, believe.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
It or not.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
It was not my idea. What they were like, do
you know how to start a podcast?

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
And I was like, oh, you stupid, But.

Speaker 1 (01:38:11):
They were like we have all these investors and people
we want to have on and talk to, and one
of them is the former COO of Nissan, and I'm
curious in pretty depth, pretty deep, not all positive, by
the way, a lot of about the Nissan Leaf program

(01:38:31):
and how you know, the development went for it and
the struggles they had with it and successes along the way.
He's a really interesting guy and he's an investor in
the Intello so we're excited to have him on. I
don't know when which week that episode will go live,

(01:38:53):
but I've I supervised the call. It was like an
online interview. I it was on stream Yard, just like this,
and I walked them both through like what to say
and you know, like how to join and everything. So
I'm not in the podcast as much on Tello Talks,
but it's cool to supervise and kind of get everybody's

(01:39:19):
thoughts on the company and their background, so you know,
it's not just a bunch of nobody's that you've never
heard of working on this company. It's like there's there's
a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
Everybody knows the Nissan Leaf like it was the Oh yeah, yeah,
I'm mentioned. I'm really excited about that one.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
So the ev podcast is taking a break, but Tello
Talks is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:42):
Are you going to be on Tello talks?

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:39:44):
Are you going to be like a speaker?

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
I think I'm on one episode so far and I'm
mostly asking questions. They're they're not they're not asking me
to talk much because I'm not a big enough name, right,
there's a lot of big names we've already. Just so
you guys are in the loop, the first like six

(01:40:07):
episodes have already been recorded. Nice and just to be clear,
like I say in the description there, it's a guest
driven show. So this is not Jason and Forrest talking
once a week. This is a different person on each episode.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
It's under your brand, though you can see that their
author it is.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I asked about that. I said, are you okay if
it says like podcast, and they were like, yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
People will look over it anyways, they'll think it says Tello,
or'll be I.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Mean, most people who know about Tello probably know about
Telos have already. But I asked if they were okay
with that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
My own podcasts also have the tailos of Brandon, and
people already associate.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Me piggyback on the speaker account.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
Time, it's like I feel like it's a cool it's
a cool Like I mean, I tell it's a whole
separate thing. But for me, like when when anything that
it leaks back links back to at loss of connection,
I'm like, yeah, humble beginnings, man, I love I love
everything that this what we built with that. So it's

(01:41:21):
it's like a badge of honor to me at least.
So it's cool that Tello is cool with it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:26):
Yeah, he's the the next big guest is well, I
don't know if he's next, but he was CEO of Nissan,
so you hear a lot about the leaf. And then
the next half of the podcast is he was the
CEO of Aston Martin, so he talks a lot about
James Bond and yeah, using all the different cards, it's

(01:41:47):
a really it's a fun run. Even if you know,
I I think we still need a final stamp from
him that it's good to post. Yeah, but even if
we'd ever get to post it, I had a lot
of fun editing it because I was just like, Wow,
there's all this history to these companies that I didn't know,
and he's pushing for electric the whole time and talking

(01:42:07):
he wants it to be more radical redesigns instead of
just throwing batteries and existing. It's it's fun, So I
hope people like it. I I know some people are
probably gonna be mad because anytime Tellow posts something that's
not we've delivered fifty cars, they're going to be upset.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
So, yeah, how far they've gotten at this point?

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
Have you delivered a thousand vehicles? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Why haven't you given us all the prototypes?

Speaker 1 (01:42:35):
It's the podcast is refreshing, at least for us at
the company, because everything else is so like how quick
can we make this? How how can we post content
that holds the attention span and like get it out
there as quick as possible, right, And the podcast has
finally been an opportunity to just be like, let's have

(01:42:56):
at least one outlet where we can take it slow
and talk, give a little background so that we're not
worried about how it performs in the algorithm. It's just
we've got these cool consultants and partners and investors that
have a lot of interesting background that are helping Tello
and are willing to come on and talk about their

(01:43:17):
background and how they're using it. So it's not going
to be the weekly update series that I think people
might want it to be of like talk about show
the prototypes being assembled, and it's like, no, no, that's
that's for just the YouTube videos. That's not a podcast.
Podcast is audio. It's called Tello Talks for a reason,

(01:43:38):
you know. I know. That's where I threw it at them.
They did let me name it. They they told me
they wanted to do some kind of longer form interview
style show, and they asked what would be the best
way to package that, and I said, well, it sounds
like you're describing a podcast, and I was and they

(01:43:58):
were like, yeah, do you know how to post on Spotify?
And and I was like, yeah, yeah, we can do that.
We just need content. And we were like, Forrest knows
a lot of people from his past, so he was like,
I want to catch up with these people and talk
with them again.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
So it kind of reminds me of Jim Farley's own podcast,
They's Got Oh Yeah where he His last episode was
March thirteenth. He does it seemingly at the beginning of
the year. I guess Q one is a little bit slow,
mm hmm. So he last talked with Matthew McConaughey, who
is the spokesperson many times in the commercials for Lincoln.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
All right, so it's just it's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
Him directly talking about Ford. It's just let me talk
about someone who's loosely connected. I guess he talks with
Bill Ford in the previous episode.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
But like Jimmy fall Jimmy Fallon and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
I mean, I'm I'm boasting this, but well it most
tele talks, I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Oh yeah, Sydney Tweeney on that is weird.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
Yeah, I picture Tello could probably get there as well.
And you don't have to go quick, you can go
slow and as long as you're providing very quality content.
And there's what I liked about the first episode was
there's nice little sprinkles of the background of Tello and
also with how things are going as well, with progress

(01:45:26):
that aren't very blatant of like here's where we are
in here's where we are in production, here's what we're
building right now, Here's how much money we have right now,
Here's when the thing's going to come out. It's very
much just a nice casual talk between the two founders
of the company talking about how they got there. And

(01:45:47):
some interesting specifics that they want to share along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
It was. I think they really needed it too. They
were a little confused when I was first suggesting it
because they were very busy and they had a lot
of stuff going on that day when they filmed it.
I think because we filmed that, Jason was a little
meet for it was a little late for one of
his meetings. He was like, how long you want to
talk because I got to go. But I was just
like that there hasn't there hasn't been a good moment

(01:46:14):
on the channel yet where we just had the two
of you sit down and say like, why are you here?
How did this start? I was like, I think that
would be helpful for you guys, because there's just a
lot of Okay, here's what's going on this week, here's
what's going but there's got to be a good like
here's where it all began, here's how it all started.
So I thought they both did really well. They I

(01:46:37):
was in the room, but I obviously wasn't saying anything
to them. I just said, just talk a little bit
about how you guys met and why you're doing this,
And they were like, okay, people want to hear that,
and I.

Speaker 3 (01:46:48):
Was like, oh, absolutely, people love.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
The right They're so I don't know. Maybe it's just
because they're not used to posting as much, but they're
always convinced things aren't as interesting as they are. Maybe
it's because I'm need be nerd, but really, do you
think people want to hear me talk?

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
And I'm like, yeah, no, we are in the era listen, listen,
listen as well.

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
There is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
If we learn anything from the election, it's that people
want the law form podcasts, you know, they want more authenticity.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
They want to know. You can't you can't be you.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Know, mysterious, you have to be out there.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
That footage is so old. I'm amazed because the office
looks so clean in that picture. It is not like
that right now.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
I know it's all filled up. Now you've grown into
the facility.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
All the model is gone, by the way, the wooden one, Yeah,
that that's not there anymore. It's not even in the building.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Did they put it somewhere else or is it gone gone?

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
I think it's in a shipping container somewhere. I asked
if they could give it to me, but they said no.
I'd love it to love, but there's just.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Nothing connecting it here. There's just a wheel sitting there.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
But yeah, like we were there right after the cyber
cab h event and or the showroom and every part
there's a crane in there. Now there's a brackets in
these structural carbon fiber parts all over. It's it's packed.
It is already full and there's all they're only with

(01:48:28):
one chat. It's gonna get more full. I don't they
might have to move the the test mule on the
left there because there is so many parts showing up.
They got their their steering racks in and there's a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Progress, it's not progress that people are looking for. I
know everyone wants to buy it, Is it real?

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
I keep telling them that the only news they want
is Okay, we've built a hundred of them and they're
ready to go.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
Uh but.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
Should we should we conclude on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
I wanted to bring up at least and four. It
was a pretty eventful year. I went over some of
this over the two hundredth episode two episodes ago. But
we started this year with Randy coming back from our
road trip and concerns about corrosive cyber trucks, and we

(01:49:29):
got to meet the R two and R three.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Oh huge, so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
Yeah, Fisker slowly dying throughout the year.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Finally got to get behind the wheel in a cyber truck.
The gravity got shown off. Drew became a Tello employee the.

Speaker 1 (01:49:53):
Third annual Gravity unveiling.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Right, Drew became a Tellow employee. Uh, we got to
see some really cool Pike's Peak hill climbing, a lot
more interviews with Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:50:08):
Model Model three got refreshed.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
All three got refrashed. Well, it got refreshed. We saw
the refresh last year, but it came into more mass
production this year.

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
US launched this year and Performance Model three this year.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Yes, and then Polestar also finally showing off the four
and producing the three. A lot of EV's got produced
this year as well. A lot of GM EV's came
out and or are coming out.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
Got to meet the Polestar CEO.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
And then then he resigned. ID bud What did I say?

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
See what happened was you didn't meet him. He met
you and he said, I'm getting out, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
The ID for the ID buzz uh started launching in
the United States. We got to do an in person podcast,
which is great.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
Mm hmmm, uh several techniques.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
It came back and we got to see some robo
van slash robo taxi slash robo bot. It was a
crazy year.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
It was I think every year is going to get crazier.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
And like you'd think at some point you'd get mundane
in which with the amount of GM products that are
being announced, I mean, the Selastic, the Vistick, I still
have to figure out which ones which because I thought
the Vistick was supposed to be the bigger one, but
the not even the Celestic is supposed to be the
bigger ones. The escalate version that's supposed to be the bigger,

(01:51:38):
bigger one. But like just all the different evs, it's
going to be so many more comparisons that we get
to make. And I think my goal for next year
is to actually, I keep on saying this every year,
actually sit in a lot of these evs. We talk
about them, and we get sometimes to like check him out,
and we got to check out the Blazer this year

(01:51:59):
as well, Drew.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
But we should check out more for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
Yeah, I'd really love to check out more.

Speaker 3 (01:52:06):
My goal mm hmm for next season is I would
like to have more firsthand experience with with the evs
that are out there. I know I'm not going to
be able to see prototypes and stuff like that, like
what's happening in San Diego or or out Intella, But

(01:52:27):
like I I don't know why I haven't sat in Arrivian.
I want to. I want to sit inside and Ionic.
I want to. I want to be It's not that
I'm purposely being closed minded. I just want to be
more susceptible to having opportunities to get hands on experience
the same way I did with you know, Tesla so

(01:52:49):
long ago now and stuff like that. I want to
be more. I think my focus honestly kind of going
forward is to not that I'm pretending Tessa doesn't exist.
It's just I want that to kind of sit on
the back burner for a little bit, and I want
to see all the new blood up and coming blood.
I want to give that more attention, because it's not

(01:53:10):
that Testa hasn't earned it. It's just they're they're solidified,
right and for the same reason about like the whole
stock thing we're talking about, they've had their time. I
want to give that same passion that I still have,
and that energy I want to give. I want to
give it to kind of everything else, even stuff from
Legacy Auto that's trying their own hand of it. I
want to be in it because I when I when

(01:53:32):
I realized that my h my wife's sister's boyfriend is
a mechanic with Volkswagen and he got to sit in
an ID buzz and he's done, I was like, I
haven't seen any of that stuff in person, So I
would like to experience that firsthand. Take my take my
wife out to go see her original dream vehicle and

(01:53:53):
see what that looks like in the production world. I
just want to explore. I want to explore more. That's
what I would like to do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Explore so many of them. And you know this, Randy,
because we went through all of them. I don't available.

Speaker 3 (01:54:04):
I do have, I do have standards. I'm not going
to do all of them, but.

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
We're gonna have to do this again next year. You
more true you and with mic next.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
I'm not doing it. I'm not I'm not doing that.
That was every We could do it in person.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Doing a person and having cutouts like top gear I
think would be hilarious because we need a really big
wall and or really small cutouts of each vehicle.

Speaker 3 (01:54:35):
I like that day of just ranking every Tello every
Oh yeah, that's that's an Apple on There's two of them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
There's the old one that was a hybrid, but I
didn't get past prototype face, just like.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
It doesn't count. I guess this is the ev I
guess t loose of hybrid.

Speaker 1 (01:55:05):
I forget who I was talking to. Who's either this
is you'll like this flex. It was either tell O
CEO or Aptera's CEO. But one of them said, you know,
they were surprised that Scout was willing to do a
generator on board, but they were more surprise that they

(01:55:26):
weren't a diesel generator, because that would be more efficient.

Speaker 2 (01:55:32):
I think it's ease of plugging in an existing and
small gas engine that someone could easily plug into a
gas pump and not worry about clogging up the diesel,
except you're using it less.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
I don't know if I want to get deel. It
much about diesels, so I can't really comment much.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Of the original. To be clear, the original Aptura to
e the hybrid was a diesel. It took diesel because
that was more It got better mileage. Yeah, it wasn't.
It wasn't watered down like the gases today with corn oil.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Corns and everything.

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
That's the sound of the diesel.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
One of these vehicles have corn in them? Well maybe,
I guarantee you they all do.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Corn has infiltrated every aspect of our society. And I
will give best for talking US market, best vehicle of
the year, long range, real drive, Model three, best car.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
In the market, so it has to be out.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
Yeah, for the sake of the argument, I'd say best
car of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
Here's a nice, beautiful picture.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
I thought one of you we're gonna say, uh, cyber truck.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Well that came out last year. But yeah, non Foundation
series cyber truck came out. But I don't know if
i'd give it vehicle the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
I think, uh, there's all the evs. Can you choose one.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
I would pick? Okay, I had to put my bias
to the side of it.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
What we mean by it came out as in like
produced or geez show off?

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
Well, what do you mean by forget that came out?

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
Thing?

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
That's too confusing?

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
Just say I'm gay.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
This is very concerning for Brittany.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
This is snooze. Wow, any any vehicle you want. It
didn't have to come out.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
Just R three mm, R three, R three X or
R three either one. I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Best best event of the year, Rivian, Yeah, the Rivian
was pretty good. Rivian event was I likes my.

Speaker 3 (01:58:03):
He's going through the.

Speaker 2 (01:58:06):
Past. Yeah, I like this.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Yeah. It was the most controversial, the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:11):
Biggest bud, the biggest cyber ilso let down, I was,
I was so.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Let downsker Fisker is the biggest bus.

Speaker 1 (01:58:21):
Literally, yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
That might Actually, you're right, Mike, that might have.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Bisker is the biggest bus because at least the third
best TV. Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
Maybe Canoe because the biggest stock market decline of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
We don't know, like the Trail of nine. They reverse
stock split twenty three to one and then those stocks
went down to like ten cents or something.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
It's insane, so.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
Adjusted for split, the stock is worth like less than
a penny.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
My I didn't get to answer, but my favorite EV
for this year is probably the Scout Traveler. The fact
that they came out with a bench deep for the thing.
I'm like, okay, I'm solid and it looks great. And
I like the buttons and I like the design and
it's more than likely going to come out like that

(01:59:21):
because they got the backing of EW. But we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:59:24):
I guess I am excited about it. Yeaeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:30):
I went to work. I went to work up. Yeah,
I know right. I went to work the other day
and I was parked between at Bronco and an R
one S and I thought, man, this would look great
if it wasn't a model line between and there was
a Scout Traveler or Terra. But here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Yeah. I like the Terra because it sounds like app Terra.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
Is that your next channel? And then you're gonna be
come a social media uh director for Scout next year? Manny,
we get to have a podcast with the social media
director for Scout. It's right here.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
I got somebody and we can ask them questions.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
They would have to offer me so much money.

Speaker 2 (02:00:25):
I wonder if they'd force you to go to Novi,
Michigan or I forget the other place in South Carolina.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
There's like an all Saudi EV brand that's starting up.
I was like, geez, I bet their social media guy
is going to make a killing. Oh can you tweet?
Here's a billion dollars.

Speaker 4 (02:00:49):
Oh thank you, with a minimal taste car.

Speaker 3 (02:01:02):
We need a.

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
Better note to end on please.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
Okay, we we are a weak card.

Speaker 2 (02:01:16):
It's in there.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
The next what I need companies to do in twenty
twenty five is I need them to all have exceptional
mobile apps the way Tesla does with widgets and all commands,
control center buttons. I need that for it, like you
want my business for real, for real, like improve the

(02:01:41):
app experience, because that is that's your first interaction with
the vehicle is through through the app yep. And I
just want like Tesla, oh my god, like they got
that unlocked for good obvious reasons, and I just want
more or no, not even I want all. I want
all companies to do it. I know they won't, but

(02:02:02):
even if we get just some of that, all that
that that's that's a net positive for everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Yeah, next adoption, I forgot about that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
Next adoption happened. That's one.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Dang.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
This was a fine year for ev oly crap mm
hmm dang. That's neat. Yeah, So that's that's my goal.
If if we just get more companies improving their app experience,
I will say that's a net positive for all EV
for the EV sector as a whole. And I'll be like, yep,
in twenty five this was a success because they got

(02:02:37):
they got their apps in line. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Looking forward to Drew's next biggest announcement because last year
it was actually I think it was just we went
to see Tello, but the year before that was I
ordered an app Tarra, and the year before that, I
believe it was a Model three.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
O geez.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
So I don't even know what it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
How are you gonna top it?

Speaker 3 (02:03:03):
Next year's big announcements he has to cancel his Apptera
because because he's gonna he needs more seats.

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
I really don't.

Speaker 3 (02:03:16):
I would take one now, yeah, right now, you would,
But in the future you need something with you know,
maybe car seat compatibility or something.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
They talked about having a car seat, So why don't
you buy one?

Speaker 3 (02:03:32):
Then, Randy about it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
We'd be the cutest spokespeople for them, be me and
my wife and a little baby. And then oh, like
that's ever gotta.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
Have to flash forward or this later where it's I
grabbed that sound bite and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:55):
Then take all these clips and send them to my
child and the.

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Like that's ever gonna happen today. Fun.

Speaker 3 (02:04:09):
Yeah, great year at Real. It's been fun.

Speaker 1 (02:04:14):
It's been real fun.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
It's it's been pretty fun actually, so yeah, it's been
real fun.

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
Thanks for the job, Mike.

Speaker 2 (02:04:23):
You're the one who did all the work. I'm just
the one who.

Speaker 3 (02:04:27):
You could think me that me, You're welcome all the.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
Way to the end wouldn't have been without you.

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
I just connected some wires. That's it. I I do
not take all the responsibility. That is you too.

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
It's me. I take all the credit it was You're
welcome because this show would be dead in the water
if it wasn't for me, there would be no connection.
Gauz is God, just like just just it's like Joe,
He's God. Everybody's God.

Speaker 1 (02:05:03):
Excuse me, Happy Holidays, Happy New Years. My God,

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