Ep. 204 - Goodbye Tax Credit

Join Drew and Mike as they discuss their wheel woes, cheaper teslas, and different approaches to making electric trucks!

Published: 10-3-2025, Recorded: 10-2-2025

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back, ladies and gentle another quick break as usual.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Yeah, we're kind of doing these nice little interludes.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, I know I didn't give you much of a
heads up for tonight's recording, did I.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
No, that's okay, that's all right.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I know you were asking, but I was like, we
got to find a window in there, and today was like,
you know what, I think we could squeeze one.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
In the stars aligned for both of us.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yeah, just right.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
But it's like a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I's been a month, I can't remember. Probably more. I
think I think it was a little more. But has
anything been occupying your ev mindset these days?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Is that a complicated way of saying is anything new
slash interesting?

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah? I know I've got some stuff, but I wanted
you to go first.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
So back in twoenty twenty, way back or twenty nineteen whatever. Yeah, yeah,
late twenty nineteen flashback. Yeah, my reservation got a wonder
for my model. I wonderful. Well what am I trying
to say? Pretty much? Tesla pushed a notification saying, Hey,
the eighteen inch wheels, we're not going to make those

(01:09):
with your car. We're gonna make nineteen twenties and twenty ones.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
That's right, the eighteen inch.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, so they forced me to get the Geminis, the
sport or the uber turbine if I went for a performance.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
That's right, I remember, and so I said began.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah, that's how I met you and my wife and
I loved the eighteen inch ear rooms because they looked
great with the color.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
That was the one we ordered to.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, midnight silver metallic ye arrow rooms.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
It looked great.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
But then when the nineteens came, the new nineteen twenty
and twenty ones, it was silver Geminis that it was
more better with a the chrome trim rather than the
blacked out trim. Yeah, and with like a mid night
silver metallic, it really stood out. And I didn't look
Matt slash right undercover. I don't know whatever the word is. Yeah, anyways,

(02:01):
so flash for a little bit. We ended up getting
the was it the induction wheels the sport rooms, Yeah,
because that was what was available right when the pandemic
hit and we needed a car immediately.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
You were super early. Yes, I've told a lot of
people you were basically the first non employee delivery. Maybe,
so I don't know if not the first you were
within the first few dozen.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
I'd say, if anyone knows at least let me know
either in the comments, whether it's.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
If you think you've beat him, I'd be very curious. Yeah,
but I don't know anyone.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Under one twenty Yeah, yeah, but pretty much. Yeah, if
you have information, put either in the comments. Spotify is
comments now, which is interesting to all about that.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I didn't know that you.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Could leave a comment on Spotify if you want. But
so flash four two last week, Yeah, got a notification
on the Tesla app saying, hey, you have Tesla credits,
which thank you to the viewers and people who use
my code, and thank you for to pushing that out
there on your account. So these Tesla creds are gonna expire.

(03:04):
I had a decent amount. You had like a day, right.
What was weird, Well, you don't know with Tesla is
that they say, hey, yeah, it's gonna expire this month,
and like that's in like a couple of days.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I'm like, interesting, we.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Kind of need to like use these credits.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
If I were to guess, I would bet it's like
the first of the month. Like if they say October,
they mean, you know, twelve Oh, one was weird.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
They said one amount for like pretty much the whole year. Yeah,
and then in the last couple of days they switched
it to like half that I don't know why. Okay,
it was weird anyways, so we had to make a choice,
and it's like, do we just buy stuff to put
in the garage or do we get something useful for
like roofracts or yeah, when do we use reofracts or

(03:46):
bike racks or anything like that? Not much? Yeah, And
so I thought, well, what about those error rooms again?
What er So specifically they don't sell error or in
syror rims on the Tesla shop or at least what
they allow you to buy on the app on the
Tesil shop for your car or whatever. Right, but they

(04:08):
do allow winter tires nineteen inch and they installed for you. Really,
so I had enough Tesla credits, just enough with tax
apparently that's the thing with Testa credits. Oh, and decided
to get winter tires nineteen inch because I thought, well.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Wait are the Gemini rooms.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
They're the Gemini rooms, but they're not the silver ones.
They're the blacked out, oh updated Geminis.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
So you get the color you always wanted yes, design, yes,
but oh there are winter they are winter.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
So that's gonna be the fun. Thing that has been
kind of burning my mind recently is.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
I didn't know you could get those.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah. Well, what's nice about my car is it's on
twenty inch tires, right, and so it's got.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
The right Uh you've always had those two Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
It's got the right lug pattern for nineteen inches.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Well good.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
I just couldn't get uberturbine because that's a different lug pattern.
Oh yeah, those are, I believe, correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Beautiful, but I think they're horrible for ride quality and efficiency. Yeah,
they look great.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
They look great, and I into them, so I thought, well,
why not ask the wife? She said, well, what else
is there? And we looked through everything on the.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Side, and you still have charging.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, that's so you're thinking of the old referral system.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh yeah, that's it. I still have miles from that,
by the way, same, I still have fields.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm peetering out at this point, but it's I.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Think I have like nine thousand miles.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
That's not bad.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Over nine thousand, thanks vegetas. So yeah, I guess I
have the nineteen inch or it's come full circle. Yeah, no, put.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Into it's like a wheel. It just keeps on going.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
That's good. That's actually not a bad idea, because my
wheels on the three are horrible. For one, I still
have front winter tires, oh god, and rear all seasons
from Washington back. Yeah, from like a year and a
half or two years ago. Yeah, the back passenger rear
rim is still dented. So every time I drive it,

(06:04):
the hubcap comes a little out of alignment. I always
have people coming up to me, something's wrong with your
wheal I'm like, I know, I literally just kicked the lapse.
It snaps back in place. But then I drive for
a few hours and it comes off with it not leaking.
It holds pressure, but it's very obviously dented. It's just
a purely cosmetic thing. However, I've recently discovered in the

(06:26):
past few months that the passenger side front tire is
slowly leaking. It'll go about eight weeks. It's incredibly Yeah,
so that's actually why I haven't been driving three.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
I have you beat then, because my back right leaks
slower than that.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
There's a hole in the tire the size of one atom.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't think mine's even a hole. I think it's
just the tire didn't have proper ceilings at America's Tire
or whatever. Okay, and so it's like every maybe three
months four months.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Wow, well maybe, so mine is like I remember, I
filled it up and it was fine because we were
going back and forth between you know, up north where
it's really hot makes sense in Norkel and then in
the Bay where it's cool. And when I'm in the

(07:18):
hotter climate, the tire pressure is like forty seven. Yeah,
it's supposed to be forty two. Yeah, We're like, well,
this is hot. Then you come down to the Bay
and it's like thirty seven and because of the change. Ye,
So I didn't want to fill it up too much.
But then we went to Europe and back and then
one tire was at like twenty five Jase that front
one passenger. I was like, so we need to top

(07:39):
that off. So I fill it up pretty high. It's
fine for a few more weeks until today we were like, oh,
let's go. And then I get in the car and
I'm like, oh, shoot, we can't take the three D today.
Thank goodness, I have two. Now I have so many options.
But it's the same car. I don't know. I haven't

(08:00):
inflator kit. I don't know where it.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Is through all our inflator kit. You mean a.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Tire inflation Like I have an air compressor.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
That's the term.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, what's the You con buy those with credits too.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
But and also the celent ones too.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
True.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
I thought about those When'm like I never have like
a tire blowout, and you.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Can get an Amazon one for like fifteen bucks.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
And if you have triple A and or you have
an as semblance of finding a tow truck, they could.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Just It's like you can use your total credits and
it's like one hundred and twenty bucks for their inflator kit.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
And like I'd rather box as well.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yeah, it's all big and clunky, so I would rather
those credits go towards something like tires. When wipers, yeah,
something you know you're gonna use, which I also replaced.
Oh good, we should probably. I don't think we've ever
replaced every date on the three. We've never replaced the
wipers or the air filters.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
How does it smelling not good? How do you see
out there?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
We just got another card? Like it stinks, Let's get
on why that's older, but.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
That has a broken batter.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
It goes exactly this is our approach, shows you. So anyways,
going back like a wheel, Okay, they again installed at
the end of the month.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Cool recording this in October.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
So I'm debating doing that now that I didn't know
that was an option, and I'm having so many issues
with our wheels and the fact that they're not matched up.
So that's making me consider maybe that's how I should
use my remaining credits. I think I have a thousand,
so that might not cover it.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
No, I mean it's a discount. I don't know if
I think you'll probably take off them. You can pay
the rest with credit or credit card or money.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Yeah, you're probably versus theirs. Yeah, to bring that even
more full service. Oh goodness, you probably didn't see this
because I know you're not on social media.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (09:52):
But the the cheaper model why leaked? It could be
out officially by the time this podcast, because like is
Thursday now, last I checked.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
A new performance came out? Now a cheaper one is
you talked about?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, it's been seen, it's been spotted.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Like here in the Bay.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It was in Austin, of course it is, which actually
doesn't surprise me because I think when they're trying to
make it as cheap as possible, they would use the
forty six eighties because they suck and the structural repack.
Remember all the forty six eighty hype.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Dude, they hype thinking about Texas. So we talked about
Texas so much like years ago. I was like, it's
the next biggest thing for Tesla. What happened because they
were making wise right and they were bad because we're bad.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
They were people were freaking Yeah. They decided to make
them all wheel drive yep, even though the range wasn't
good anyway. But that's for a while now. I've been predicting.
I think on my videos that like if you were
going to skip the twenty five came up that they
claimed for years and cheaper models coming soon, yeah, more affordable.

(11:04):
If you're just going to do a cheaper variant, it
makes far more sense to just defeature the model I
because they already know how to crank those things out
like big Max. Yeah, and the forty six eighties, I
think they were let down in energy density, they were
let down in charging speed. The only thing they probably

(11:25):
weren't a let down in was cost. I bet as
far as Tesla's concerned, they were probably very cheap to make.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Well. They developed them, so it's all they don't have
to go to LGCM or ATL or anyone else.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
And I think that was the main reason they wanted
it for the cyber truck, was because they knew the
truck needed such a big battery pack. They were like,
how do we reduce part count as much as possible
to get a relatively affordable one hundred and twenty three
kilo hour pack.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
That'ld be a mean deal for any battery company.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, so they and they've got the local lithium refining now,
so it wouldn't surprise me if the more affordable model
is mostly being made there. I guess they can build
forty six eighties at Cato Road too.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
That's what they did before they built, and they ship
them all the right they could do them.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Say, but yeah, I think this time it's most likely
the specs could be life now but re real drive,
not a big battery pack like sixty kilo hours familiar.
But yeah. The the leaked image which I can't pull
up for you because I'm recording that.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Here, but try and bring it up.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
It's basically looks like a Highland Model three. Okay, so
it's it's not the light bar, it's just the slim headlights,
and it doesn't have the uh, you know, fog light
intakes anymore. It's just smooth.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's kind of interesting like.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
The base Model three, except now I don't know why. Okay, essentially, so, Oh,
the reason I brought that up to pretend to your
tires is it's got eighteen inch wheels.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Oh, they're It only took them right after I get
the nineties, which I didn't want in the first place,
the twenties, which I didn't want in the second place.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
But they would have expired if you waited, So I
also don't know if they are going to let people
just buy those, but I assume eighteen inches more efficient
it is, so they're they're probably My guess is they're
trying to squeeze as much range as they can out
of a really crappy backpack that's just cheap to make,
which I guess is cool. But the big question. The

(13:32):
reason I didn't want to dwell on it too much
for this episode is because my whole opinion on that
model is going to be dictated around the price. Like,
if it's a thirty thousand dollars model, why I'd say
that's pretty cool. If it's forty k then I'm like,
who cares? This is like, this is just like the
cyber truck rebal drive, which no one wanted.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
No, well, comparing what starting at forty thousand to what
it yes, it was like thirty.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Eight credit or two days ago. Now yeah, yeah, it's
officially gone.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Again unless you shop at Forward or GM is. What
I have is that they're they're still they're artificially doing it.
Oh interesting, they're breaking in their own tax credit.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Lucid's doing the same thing. I talked to the guy.
I joined a guy take delivery of his gravity the
other day, so that video should be up hopefully by
the time.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
So at this point you've been in the gravity twice.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
We were in two gravity. I've never seen so many gravities.
I went to the delivery there's just like probably fifteen
on that delivery lot. But they're all black and green.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
It seems like the launch traditions.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
They don't have any white ones. I asked some of
the employees there and they said they have delivered some
gray ones, but.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I spect one out just to have curiosity.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
SA you were looking at the configurator you were sending.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Me this, Oh yeah, because I sent you. They have
a weird uh when you're choosing the seat layout. Yeah,
they just subtract the roof and it looks like a convertible. Yeah,
like an al Camino without its top.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
It's kind of cool. That would be sick if you
could do that. It's kind of a It's very insane,
but yeah, I spared by that.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
It was like one hundred and five hundred and ten
or whatever, and I compared it to like a I
think I spect out like a models at the same
time because I thought, okay, like totally different things.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I can't believe how many new MODELSUS I've seen on
the road. Oh yeah, I'm like, why are you all blaing.
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I saw the new was it colbalt blue or misty blue?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Whatever? It looks beautiful, it is like blue. I just
don't understand why people are spending this much on a
car that bare.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
You're seeing all the sales on the numbers, on the
quarterly earnings, you're seeing every person who's bought one.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yeah, I think eighty. I'm just like, what were they
waiting for? Ambient lighting? Is that what it was? They
were like, yeah, I need my light strip and it's
ten grand more. Okay, it sounds good. Like you can
buy a plaid for like half price if you buy
it from like two or three years ago.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I saw Model X the other day with plaids spelled
out on it, like from the factory. I'm like, Ober.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
That if you have the lettering on the back, it
means you paid.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Top dollar top dollar. And then they changed it and
lost all. That's cool that you got to check out
a grafvity.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Yeah, and it was the Dream Edition, not the Grand Touring,
which is what I test drove. So the Dream Edition
has over a thousand.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Horse power okay, but less range.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Well yeah, I mean same battery pack, just like worse efficiency.
He got the worst uh well worse for efficiency tires.
They look very cool, but they are very performance what swears.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I've always been into the efficiency rims. Yeah, Like I've
never really liked the Spokan cosmetically, like even if there
was no efficiency. Yeah yeah, even just from a design,
I'm like, yeah, like the leaflet looking things on the
early lucid airs looked great.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I really like the uber turbines, but I don't like
the right.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I like the inductions over the uber turbines.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, that's fair, No, it's it's a worthy trade up.
I think the biggest thing that would annoy me if
I had a gravity is just that the wheels are staggered. Yeah,
so you can't rotate them. But I guess if you
have that much money.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
It's a lot of cars. I think the id Ford
is that really Yeah, I think it is stagger tires that.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Would bug me. I don't know why, but just that
you can't rotate them.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
No, it makes it well, you rotate them, yeah, if you.

Speaker 1 (17:52):
I guess if you have enough money to afford a gravity,
you probably don't care about wearing tires out.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
No, you care more about do I have the heads
up display option on this?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
And that was actually working on this gravity? The first
one I test drove, the heads up displayed did not work.
There was a bunch of.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Things not well, it was a pre production one probably.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, I mean they had started delivering them. But yeah.
So the story that didn't make it into the video
that I'll share with.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
You is he with me yeah, adience.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
I know Lucid probably didn't want this in the video
because the videos tend to perform pretty well. These are
more for the like loyal followers that are willing to
sit through our eighteen inches Oh my gosh, it's been
so many months. If you're willing to sit through our
tesla credits and rim discussions, here's the scoop. You get

(18:43):
the scoop. Basically, I get there and they're like cleaning
up a gravity and as they're cleaning it up, there's
like people sitting in the front on their phones. Okay,
I'm like, probably shouldn't just be sitting there, some guys
waiting for delivery. But like, yeah, they said his delivery
would be at four. We're both there at like you know,

(19:04):
three fifty or whatever, and they keep coming out and saying,
we just need five more minutes. We're cleaning it up.
It's like four fifteen, four to twenty. We just need
five more minutes. We're cleaning it up. We're like we're
getting to know each other and talking, so we don't
and we're in the showroom gravity.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, but imagine if it's just him sitting there.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I'm glad he had someone to talk to. But
I was just like, man, they really want to keep
us updated. I'd rather like you not come out and
say it's gonna be five more minutes. I'd rather you
just come out when it's ready. So eventually they did that.
It's like four twenty or something like that, and they
they're like, come on out, and I'm sorry, Lucid, Like,

(19:40):
I love your technology, but if someone's buying one hundred
and forty thousand dollars car, I think they should get
a little bit of the you know, like tarp or
not tarp cloth.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Used to put bows. I think, yeah, something like the
Lucids or the Teslas. I forget which one.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Just like yank a cool blanket off and just like
here it is. They just like parked it illegally in
the parking lot, like it's in the in the crisscross zone.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Oh it's wear wheelchair accessibles.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, like you're not supposed to park there, and it's
just like here it is. Just that was it, and
then they're like, you want me to walk you through
it and stuff. So he's customizing the seat and getting
comfortable and they're testing things out and the HUD doesn't
work and the speakers don't work. Oh, and I was like, oh,

(20:30):
it's in slate mode. It's okay, it's like bring your
own boats. They were like, that's really weird. I'm sorry,
I'm not sure why obi. Yeah, so he's trying to
play music on Bluetooth. He's trying to in display thing
and it's not working. So they were like, oh, that's weird.
We just need to do a hard reset for four minutes. Yeah.

(20:50):
So they're like, just hold down both the track pads
and the brake pedal at the same time.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Sounds slightly familiar.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, it's kind of like Tesla, but with an extra step.
Now you have to So he does that and it
doesn't reset. They were like, that's supposed to be how
you hard reset it, but it's not letting you.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Let me call Peter on the phone.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Peter called Peter, so you know the kind of thing
you might expect from the cheap eighteen inch model why,
it's like, well, yeah, like a basic car, probably not
the delivery experience you'd want from one hundred and forty
thousand dollars car. But they basically couldn't figure out how

(21:33):
to get the speakers to work. He was trying to
hard reset it and it wouldn't reset. So they were like,
we're sorry, we're going to have a service tech come
out look at it if you want to go back
inside and wait. So we're kind of like, okay, so
but we're just catching up getting to know each other.
So we go back inside, sit in the showroom gravity,
get a nice massage going. That one has working speakers,

(21:55):
so you know, A, yeah, we were tempted. I reached
in the door pot and there was a key to it,
so let's just go. But so they come back like
fifteen minutes after that, so it's like four forty five
or something, and they were like, okay, we figured it out.
The speakers are working. So after all that, then the

(22:16):
HUD was working. Then the speakers were working, and then
we drove it and launched it.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Thank goodness.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
It was a lot of fun. But what drove it
and then launched it? Oh yeah, well he's just like,
let's get it. Let's see if the horsepower works. You know,
the horsepower works. So it was absurdly quick and all that,
but yeah, it was I don't like to throw companies
under the bus, maybe because I work for one. Now

(22:41):
I know what it's like, because I know they're going
to watch it. They watched the test drive one, so
I'm like, they're going to see this. I want it
to be positive and supportive because I know, especially with software,
there's glitches like that all the time.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
But to be fair, it is a new product.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
It is brand new, that's true.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
But to not be fair, they already went through that
with the air.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Right, and to give him credit, you know, they obviously
didn't want him to drive away with it, which is great.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
That they got fixed. Yeah, fifteen minutes, Yeah, three times
five minutes.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Yeah. No, they were very friendly and I could tell
it was nothing. It was no fault of theirs. And
as someone who's worked alongside a lot of different software
engineers now, especially an automotive, I can attest that it's
very easy on the consumer end or the marketing end
to just be like this should work perfectly and it

(23:38):
should never have problems. And I'm like, yeah, it should
would be nice. That's a fun word that I just stand.
There's little things like that slipped through the crack. So geez,
I wanted to give him a break for the longer form.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Like I said earlier, to chat with I think he'd
be a very frustrating, I mean a little bit better
frame because he's like, hey, come on out, Yeah we
could do this, and they keep on slipping up and
it's like, yeah, that's kind of annoying, but for sure
to at least have someone there to chat with and yeah,
I'm kind.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Of hype up a bit instead of someone is like really, or.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
You don't even have to hype it up. You can
talk about I don't know, you see the new model
why that.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Rims he had a twenty twenty one model Why previously
and the high voltage battery went bad.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
It sounds like I got out scott free.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
With somehow you had a good year. I had the
bad year, I guess. But yeah, it's just funny to
hear them like did all of them go bad from
that year?

Speaker 2 (24:37):
It feels like that sounds like it.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
But yeah, so that was a fun experience but interesting
to see a little it's even.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Possible to get into one. If you don't, you're not
buying it and you're not a content creator. I think
about me, I walk up to the Lucid studio, Oh yeah,
showroom whatever.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I think most of them now have a gravity on.
Can I drive one. That's a better question.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
It's probably too new right now.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
It's probably changed since I did it, because when I
did it, I remember the guy I was communicating with said,
we're really just letting people with reservations test drive. But
because you're a creator and you're going to make a video,
we would be willing to make an exception. So I
think it probably just depends on the showroom. I bet
if it's slow or they have one available, they'd probably

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let you.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
They might come with you. I guaranteed they will.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Tesla almost never does, right. Tesla's always like, oh, just
take it, bring it back tomorrow or in a couple
of days or something.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Last time I went took the service center with the
why to get the windshielder placed. Yeah, they offered, like
it was a couple hours before the service event.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Take a cyberdru Yeah you want.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
But then, like I was like, Oh, that'd be interesting
to test drive something else, whether it's a new model
Y or new Model three or whatever. If they would
allow SX or cyber truck. Sure, but then like the
availability for taking one home or having more than like
a couple hours of it was not during the same
window to come back some other I would have to
come back get my car and then leave and then

(26:21):
come back again to see. Yeah, it just what makes sense.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
I gotcha.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
No, I think they work on that.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I feel like people would be a lot more forgiving
of long service times if they got a loaner, especially
if the loaner is better than their current.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
And that's what it used to be, like right, like
early in the days when I had the y and
there's so many issues in this code or everything, like
take this old models. That's right, Yeah, you had this
model three.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Like I think that's a great idea. Like I I
was so forgiving when they gave me the cyber truck.
I was like, take your time and to just keep
it for a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
But it was a while. Rocks are being thrown at you.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
My neighbor wasn't too happy, but my wife and I
liked it. I mean, the interior was nice. The exterior
was the worst part. I think it just still not
driven one. Wow, I have you have you driven the
refreshed wire?

Speaker 2 (27:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (27:17):
I realized after a while. I never did a video
driving it. I have friends, but I didn't record it.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
We can do one, you can.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yet, it's I mean, it's it's not that different. Some
of the reviewers were like, I did sit in one,
it's so different, and I was like, yeah, it's a
little smoother.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
But when I took mine to the service center, I
did get to sit in one, and I did experience
the cool seats. I think my opinion differs, though, to
be fair, I only spent like a minute with cool seats.

Speaker 1 (27:45):
How does your opinion difference? It was nice.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I didn't feel blocked compared to what I think you
were saying.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Oh, I think it was the cyber truck.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Was it the cyber truck?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
I remember us we had the cyber truck for like
four full days, and we were cranking the ventilated seats
every time we were in it, and it felt like
it was never getting our back's cool. I was still sweaty.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Oh I was getting pretty cool on a hot day.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Yeah, I think I remember the way when I tried
it was better.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
Weird.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
It's bizarre, like the Snazzy Labs brought that up too.
He's like the refreshed three and Y have better build
quality than the cyber truck.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Hey more, get less like half the price, Hey, let's
get more.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
It's just amazing, how like how many failures were in
one plot. But I guess Tesla had reached a such
a successful point in the business that they could afford
to have a flop.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I feel like all their other vehicles, like they couldn't
afford to flop the book. The company was on the brink. Ups.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Yeah, the X was like, we want to create an
suv because people are buying SUVs, but.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
We're going to do it in a really weird way.
They kind of share a lot of design Ethough, it's
funny you bring that up because I was thinking about
that today. I was like, so many people are done
with the X, like the guy who's I think more
people are buying the R one s Now doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
It's a great cars.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
It's great, and I think the gravity's arguably better and many.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Doug Demurro ranked they over the gravity, even though really
he enjoyed the Gravity's like, just get an R one S.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I do think the R one s probably has better software.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Probably does the gravity offer Apple Car Play, Yes, oh.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Nice, Although I will say looking around and driving the
gravity a bit, you know, I want to give them
the benefit of the doubt because I've also talked to
some people that know the Lucid software engineers, and I
think they're severely this is a management problem. They're severely
underpaid and understaffed. So I'm not trying to throw all

(29:57):
of Lucid under the bus, but I do think they're
not putting as much money and manpower into the entertainment
as Rivian.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is a whole business around it.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, rising exactly, it's the scout. Rivian's got almost the
opposite problem, where there I think defeaturing other things that
are more important, like the.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Paint or the compass, yellow the sound system.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I've heard a lot of complaints about with Gen two.
Interesting oppo really yeah, I heard that they well, I
mean there's two tiers from premium audio. But a lot
of the reviewers I've watched said that the Gen one Rivians,
the Launch editions had the best sound.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Well they had like Carmen comic.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, they just got worse and worse. It was like
then they switched to bespoke elevation or elevated sound, and
then Gen two people are like, it's the worst it's
ever been. And if you get premium audio it's a
little bit better, but still not as good. As Meridian.
The Gravity sound system is amazing when it works, just

(31:12):
need that little hard reset.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
And you get a note from a market player who
just installed like some Adobe autmost.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Installed the Ribbon. Oh, but it's it's honestly interesting how
they kind of have inverse issues, Like the Gen two
Ribvians have the most I remember R J braggan about this,
like the most megapixels of any car, Like in the
screen on the cameras, Like the cameras are super high,

(31:43):
very crisp. There's more of them, and they're all fairly
high resolution or like the highest of any car, even
better than Tesla, which that's kind of a low bar.
But they've got.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Us trying to make the future happen with a Hamburger,
a very old Hamburger that's.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
The underneath from Tesla. Yeah, Whereas I was looking at
the blind spot cameras on the Gravity and.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
They're not great.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I don't know if that's a firmware problem, but probably
the cameras were very blurry in my opinion, even compared
to like my twenty twenty one not a.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Why maybe they didn't get to that in the seven
five minute times. Yeah, to clean.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Maybe it's a bug. But I just remember looking at
it and going, that's not very sharp for such an
expensive vehicle. But yeah, you win some, you loose on.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I guess it could also just be like first gen
Gravity issues Launch Edition.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, launch it. I hope it's an over the air fix.
I hope that's not the maximum resolution because it was
pretty low. I was like, okay, but it does have
the three sixty cam that worked pretty well. That's great.
It's like zoomed out.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I've used that once and it was nice. On what
was it a Mochy or was it Oh, yeah, see
the Machi or some other vehicle. I forget.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
I hope they get it back soon. But yeah, I
was thinking about as the tax credits ending, like it's
interesting seeing the different automakers respond to it, Like, I
don't know if you saw the the ARIA is ending
in the US.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I thought that was a shame.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
I remember when you first checked it out. I love
thee Wasn't it at an auto show or something?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, and I thought it was in It was either
silver or gold. I love the gold color and I
love that like they nailed it. It had a decent design.
I think they hit out of the park and a
lot of people. What they're running into, I think is
what you pretty much hit the nail on the head with,
is that the new Leaf is pretty much replacing it

(33:56):
in terms of sizing and capability for a cheaper price
most likely. So it doesn't really make sense to have
Model Y and Model Why with a little bit more
range or whatever.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
It is basically like, and already they're losing money on
the area, right, Yeah, And I don't think they were
made in the US, so that made it.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
And they have no intention on starting up production because
they're already hemorrhaging money and a lot of Yeah, Honda
is trying to buy them a while back.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
And wasn't that now that you say Honda that they
just canceled something else in the US? I think it's
the Accura.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Oh the ZDX is gone now?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, yeah, which is that I.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Kind of want to try one out now.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
On the way up, we do are like Fisker Approachest
drive everything right before it dies.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
With the zd X, it's like, okay, so it's a
GM product with skin with a Honda reskin, but with
an Accura Luxury So it's like a reskin of a
reskin of a Reskin.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Is it the same as the prologue underneath? Yeah, it's
the prologue. I see so many prologues, it's ridiculous. Yeah, everywhere.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
It's all over the place here in California because the
lease incentives are astounding. Yeah, in which you don't really
see me too many zedx's.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So I think it is the same story with the Aria.
Everyone was leasing it, yeah, because I couldn't sell them.
So they're just like, how do we Well, it makes sense,
like why if you're not going all in with like
many fact, when the US government is jerry mandering things
in so many different ways that it doesn't make sense
for you as an auto company to even offer a

(35:38):
product there, then why would you double down and try
making a manufacturing plant compared to companies like Volvo who
have a presence like I think in Atlanta, Georgia or
somewhere around there.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And they're like, well, we already had plans to do
some more manufacturing. Yeah, and we've got the EX lineup
coming out with the X thirty and the EX ninety.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I really want to check out the thirty. That would
be cool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I saw the ninety when I was driving home today,
I'm like, oh, they had the light our hat.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, I don't feel that you're going to fry your
new phone. But I've heard it has like the best
sound system ever ninety Yeah, everyone said it's like the
best sound system in any car.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Like me and Randy have talked about in the past,
the design that Volvo has keep on going with it.
Those storeheadlights, oh yeah, even though it's very complicated with
the weird shutter opening clothes at the DLRS.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
To if I'm being honest, Volvo's kind of smoking Pullstar if.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, I don't feel like there's a lot of Did
you hear that the Pollstar two might be coming back?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
No? Yeah, back coming back. I thought they were scrapping
everything once the tariffs started they.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Were, Yeah, And also I think it was it was
just it was built on the S ninety from Volvo
in which they also killed off, and so they're like,
we don't really want to keep on making this. We
want to have a bespoke chassis, and so then they
made the Polestar three that was also being.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Shared with the Pollstar three. The first time they were
truly doing like a ground up design.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Right, Yes, but they had Volvo in talks with it. Yea,
So it wasn't completely bespoke, which is why they made
the pole Star four.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
They're all buddy buddy, right they are.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
But what I got so I went to the Pollstar
four party here in the bay when they had a
Polestar four and they're kind of celebrating. It's not unveiling
because they are unveiled it.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
I checked out the four when they had the six
up and.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
So jealous that you still got to see the six.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
And also on his last name, I met the CEO
and that he immediately quit after being invited.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
I can't handle this anymore. It was so done with me.
But the Polestar four, I believe it's not so n
bespoke chassis. Okay that no one else is sharing, which
Pollstar is making a big deal out of. You do
you Polestar, But it makes sense to share. Chassi y
as looking at GM and Kiahundai right having a platform

(38:13):
that everyone can share. Genesis can come in and use
it for their GV segment. Hoonda can come in and
lease it further use it. They have to give it back.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
You can't. That's why it's only leasing.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Sorry, we have to take a prolog back and.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
Give it exactly. I wanted to give them credit though,
because they did something that I haven't. I don't think
i've seen anyone else.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Do.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
I read that the twenty twenty six version of the
Pollstar three, so it's been out for a while. I've
been seeing quite a bit of them. Actually, yeah, but
the new version switches to eight hundred volts yep. And
I don't think I've seen any other vehicle launch at
a lower voltage and then get refreshed to eight hundred.

(39:02):
I feel like once they start production, they almost always
are like, uh, yeah, it just makes sense to keep
it as that. Even Tesla, I.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Would say, a big jump is what they're trying to
that they're marketing. I'm sure other vehicles have had voltage
increases in their pack over time, because like we say,
and this is a nice clarification, is that when we
say four hundred volt and eight hundred volt, that's not
what they're actually at.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Well, no, it's like the optimum whatever, it's.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
What they yeah, fluctuates was what they can accept. So
like a four hundred volt Tesla in which I'm an engineer,
but I don't know a lot about this sir, it
doesn't operate at four hundred volts all the time. In
the same with like a pole Star three. It's not
going to be eight hundred volt. No, it's gonna be
like basically five thirty five forty something up there that's

(39:52):
above four hundred. Well I get sorry, not five thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, whatever, And as the battery goes.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Down, it kind of yeah, the pack voltage drops a bit,
but it is hovering close to eight hundred.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
It's the range the voltage maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Echelon or tears probably a better term to put it,
because when you just say four hundred and eight hundred,
do you think it sits there?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Right?

Speaker 2 (40:15):
But no, it's actually more of instead of being at
this lower voltage range range is also voltage salons this
eight hundred voltage schalon. Yeah, long story short. I saw
that in the news as well. I thought that was
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah, I feel that's what I wanted to happen with
the s n X, especially now that that before cabinet opened.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Up, I saw that video. This would be interesting.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Didn't play that. I just showed up.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I got a giant hat.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
You met him, right, I believe so you were at the.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
He looks familiar meet up. They had the cyber truck
and they allowing one to touch it.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, that was back when it was like untouchable thing.
Now they're fricking everyone. Now you're just glad people aren't
vandalizing your truck. But no, it's like it feels like
in the EV industry, everything kind of launches with its
voltage and then it just stays there forever. I very
rarely can recall a time where it's like, oh, the

(41:20):
new model year has a higher voltage.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
And I think you make a good point is that
it's surprising that Tesla won't be the one to do that.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
They have the money is what drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
They have the innovation and the push.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
They know how to do it.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
They are the continuous improvers, not the continual improvers. Yeah,
and the continual improvers are not focused on engineering feats
like upgrading the battery pack voltage, but more of let's
add a new color this year, or let's add a
new technology package that costs more.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
If you watch the j Leno special on the new plaid,
he was not very impressed.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
How new is this again?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
It was like a month or a few weeks ago, we're.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Talking about the new plaid that just gets.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Yeah, the new plaid with the cobalt blue or whatever
whatever is. And Lars and Franz were trying really hard
to impress Jay that I think.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
He just reviewed a plane on his channel. Yeah he did.
I'm sure he was more excited about the sets and
the sky hot.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Oh yeah it was. It's infinitely more exciting. But they
just kept like doubling down and he was like, so,
what else can you tell me? And you know, he's
a car guy, and Lars is going, oh, the screen
in the back has thinner bezels than the one you have.
It's a iPhone, you know, I don't really sit back here.
I'd like to drive it. They were like, yeah, but

(42:43):
now it has a front bumper camera. He's like, okay.
There's a point in the video where they're like, oh,
I think Jay's starting to like the new updated suspension,
and he goes, no, I like my plaid from twenty
twenty one. He just was not into it at all.
You could by the end he's like, somewhere's the roadster.
What's going on with that?

Speaker 2 (43:05):
Like everyone else?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, and Marquez talked about.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
It, say, did you see Marquez canceled his well.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Hiss the one he had to pay for he canceled.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Oh, he kept the other one.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
He still has his referral reward. Who knows if he'll
get that, but he summed it up very well. He's
like the routine has been. People ask about the roadster,
they say it's going to be better than the one
we unveiled, and we can't wait to show it off,
and then we hear nothing.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
And then in a corely earnings it's, oh, it's the
sprinkles on the frosting on.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
That's my problem with that excuse is it will never be.
You will always find a more important thing to do
than the roadster. So I straight up was like, just
cancel it at this point because if you're argument into
not making it is we have more important things. Then
you can say cheaper car, ROBOTAXI, Tesla bot, and then

(44:04):
you'll find ten other crazy ideas.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
That are now goes this quick.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I just don't understand the concept of a company not
being able to have multiple projects going. It's like you're
valued at a trillion and you've got forty billion in cash.
You I don't understand the excuse it. Well, we got
to focus on this. It's like, why don't you have
some people focus on that and other people focus on this,

(44:30):
Like it's.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Time for another model three refresh.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
That's more important. Yeah, this is higher volume. Right, we
got to add the bumper camra.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, we made the cheaper model ie, so we thought,
let's make the cheaper model right.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
And once we got down to it's like, well, let's
refresh the model lesson X again.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Yeah, we gotta update the cybertruck now, oh yeah, we
give it the patent. Did you see that one the
patent Tesla Issue submitted this patent where there's like a
latable inflatable like flat piece of the bed kind of
looks like a flat toune cover on the truck that

(45:09):
blows up accordians out to Yeah, that's the word accordions
to match the height of the trailer. It's towing so
that the arrow it goes like up the cyber truck
windshield carries across the accordion piece and then matches up
with the boxy trailer to boost range.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Why is this the thing besides aero it makes it.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
It's just arrow. It's purely arrow. Okay, you know there's
a lot of dumb things about the cyber truck. But
I read that, I was like, that's not a horrible idea, honestly, Like.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
No, but I think puts it really well. It's like, yeah,
arrow does a lot, but power also gets you pretty
far too or pure raw and.

Speaker 1 (45:56):
Pure you need I'll just kill what hour. Yeah, that's
that's true. I don't know how often that would make
a big I would be curious though, like what percentage
difference that makes? Not as cool as a midgate, But it's.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Gonna say at that point, just take a sheet and
then tape it to the sides of the trailer, to
the sides of the zyber truck. There you go. You
have a continuous arrow surface that the wind in the
air can curve around, doesn't get trapped in any low
pressure zones.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It's a lot of work for what I still think
is gonna be a miserable towing experience.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
You know what's nice to see behind you trailer?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, the trailer is still there.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Now I can't tell there's a giant accordion blown up.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
I guess there's a camera on the tailgate. So if
you can what you gotta look at, you have to
throw that around the screen because it's always jumping around.
I didn't like that. I driving, I couldn't get used
to that. I was like, you guys should.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Have just hit us every single time the wy updates,
it moves the U was it? The turning, it's fine.
The blind camera back to the middle, like, no, put
it back on the visualizer that I don't need.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
I know, it's like the amount of camera trickery will
go there.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
And then when I do a reset, here's a whole
screen of visualizer I don't need.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
That wants to cover the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
No, thank you.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Yeah, that was weird. The good news, it's sad to
see that the Accura and the aria zd x aria.
But the Ionic five got some massive price cuts. I
don't know if you that. It's like almost ten grand.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
So that sounds like it's time to buy Ionic Fish
to replace the three.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Drew pretty good. I mean the base model I think
they said is thirty five k wow. I'd be curious
if the dealers allowed that.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
But no, the Jagamang.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
There was some I guess Speculator.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Five's all over the place here in the bay. Oh yeah,
it's insane.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
There's like two or three at my work, and they're
all the same color. It's very confused, like.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
The Matt Green or I was like, Oh, that's this guy.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
He must be here, but I didn't see him at
the office. And I look inside and it has the
white bezels. I'm like, oh, that's the older model. That's
the only way I can tell. My friend has the
newer model with the black bezels. So I can just
look at the screen.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I saw your model Why the other day, Yeah, and
I thought it was the three.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
I'm glad no one could tell that.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
The only way I can tell is getting closer and
then seeing that it has a hatch.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I've learned from the wheel fenders. On the Why, it's
like a black trim and the three doesn't have anything. Also,
the rear door of the Why is connected to the
wheel well, yes, and on the Three it's separated. I
have to run into the driveway and remember which cars which.

(48:55):
So these are the details I pick up because the
headlights are identical. And the tears, Yeah, the rims helped.
This is why I can't get your geminis or I
don't know which one isn't. I'm straight up like, had
people come over and not know we had a second car.
Were like wait, but they're like is that yours? Like, yeah,

(49:22):
oh you have to yeah, Oh it's just.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
See, I've got two great cars. I don't have that problem.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Because that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I don't have the same car, but one's blown up
a little bit. What do you think that you were thinking, like,
I'm mochy last time we talked, would be like the
next car to get.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
I was starting to speculate about, like I do think
the model Why who knows.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
When the Aptera or the Tellow come out? Yeah, so
like what's going to be next then? Because of course,
like you're getting to and I rudely interrupted, who knows
what happens with that model Y battery pack or the
three if it decides?

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I don't. I don't feel super confident in that replaced
pack because I know it's not a brand new pack,
and I hope that they put in a better pack
than the twenty twenty one years, but I don't knowing Tesla,
I don't have a lot of hope. But yeah, I
was thinking like if I in the future decide to

(50:25):
get a different vehicle, like I might want to prioritize
LFP more and the Machi seemed like like the cheapest
way to get the LFP. But I don't know. I
guess I haven't thought about it. It's been so long.
I guess if the Ionic five can undercut it, that
might be tempting because Ford's dragging their feet on nacks

(50:48):
and everything. But hopefully next year they get along.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
We'll just be optimistic and say that they're busy with whatever.
The T three truck and right the new assembly process.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Jim made some comments on that recently that we're interested.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
I also just built a whole new headquarters just down
the street from their old headquarters Dearborn.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
That makes sense, it makes them build another one. Nissan's
selling theirs like sell the office, sell everything for It's like,
let's build another one. But Jim said, it's not really
a truck.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
No, it's going to be a platform that they could
put it whatever on. But I guess the probably the
first thing is going to be a Model Y competitor.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I'm so sick of Model competitor. Is this the Model
Y kill me? The Broncos sport.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
I've been asking for that ever since when I first
so inside Baseball on that when the Broncos Sport got announced.
I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
An ev Yeah, it probably should have, like they.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Had driving through like this Martian landscape in which I
had no connection to Elon and is marsh and whatever thing.
But I thought it was electric just from how it looked,
which is telling on like what how modern cars look like.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
I looked like that's going to be electric. Yeah, And
then they're like, no, this is gas. There's not even
a hybrid version. I think because I'm like, what are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Right? No? I mean I think I just we talk
about it a lot, but I am getting tired of
all the similar looking crossovers. That's partly what excites me
so much about the R two is it feels, at
least esthetically a lot more unique though than the curved

(52:32):
curved Like you know, you've got the Machi, you've got
the Blazer, you got the Equinox, you got the Lyrics,
and they all have.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
This likes, but then they put the spoiler on their
bed to make it all boxy. But by the way,
the R two does the same thing, not as.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Bad though it's it's like fairly square in those headlights
or a lot. There's so unique I think the thing
that excites me more about the R two is the software,
because you know you're not going to get that on
the feel Oh yeah, no, that looks sick. So that's
that's gonna be a welcome change of scenery on the
interior nextterior. But from my own personal like because I

(53:11):
work at Tello, obviously owning a Tellow truck would be
extremely helpful, not just for personal needs, but also I
could work away from the office more. Right now, whenever
I want to film with the tele truck, I got
to go to that to the office and like make
sure no one needs it. It gets a lot of use,

(53:32):
to be honest, like, I'm sure been there more.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
It's working. It's the workhoorse of the company. Yeah, just
like behind the workers.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
We've we've had to try to incorporate shared schedules because
someone will be showing it off and then someone else
will show up be like I need the truck. I'm
showing this person, this investor, this potential supplier or whatever,
and so that truck gets ripped around and driven around
all the time.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
So it's gonna be thousands and thousands of miles on
those prototypes. Whatever you want them.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah, they've been driven them a lot more and more
on the highway lately because the process of towing it
around is a pain in the butt.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Is there's a special license that comes with that.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
There is, Actually that was a big complicated process, but yeah,
it has official plates and stickers, some with like.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
The cyber truck model. Why follow it all the time?

Speaker 1 (54:22):
And the bigger problem yeah exactly, we don't have to
do that. But the bigger annoyance is insurance. Yeah, with
a one off or two off prototype like that very big.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
A third one.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, it's very expensive and complicated. It's like it's not
even really insurance. It's like you have to prove that
you are self insured or something because a normal insurance
company won't cover it. So that took a long time.
But you have to get paperwork from the DMV that
just says like if you get pulled over for whatever

(54:59):
reason or if you're in a accident, this is what
you show the highway patrol. So there was a whole procedure.
I had to be explained on how that works if
that ever happens, because obviously they let me drive it,
so but yeah, I would love to not deal with
all that and just be like, no, this is my truck.
I can take it wherever. I don't have to ask
permission to take it anywhere because it's mine. I hope.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
I'm also looking forward to the day when it comes out. Yeah,
because there's people that I know, like my previous boss
who gave up his old truck that used to drive
around a bunch, yeah, because he moved out over here.
He was somewhere else in the Midwest, sure, because that's
how companies work is you can have people elsewhere, right,
And he had to ditch his old truck for a Machi,

(55:44):
which was a great upgrade in terms of like sure
economics and power and everything. Oh yeah, but he lost
the utility, right, And that's something that I want to
bring up to him, But I'm like, I don't really
want to give his hopes up because it's not yet.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
And also a long line.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
He also just got the makey too, It's like he's
not looking for that. I think they also got a
van too to carry around their kids.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
For sure. You want to wait till people are in
the mindset in the market.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
I've pitched it to a couple of friends as well, like, hey,
have you heard about this electric vehicle startup that's in
the area.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
Yeah, and they're like, well, can I buy one? That's
the big problem. No, we've never had a problem with
people wanting them. It's always just like, well I need
is it? I need it now? Or I need it.
There was a few people we talked to at the
events and stuff that we're like, sorry, I just can't
wait that long. I can't.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
That's the tough care with terror or ap terror in general.
It is like too long. This is the perfect commuter car.
I would love it. Yeah, I would do, but it's
twenty twenty five now, and I know it's not Aptera's
fault entirely. There's a whole bunch of other stuff going.
But yeah, but at the same time, it's just.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Like they're okay with it. I can't keep it going, yeah,
but cool.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
I just can't keeping find something else. So that's why
I thought to ask you, like, these are the two
cars you want, but they're not coming like anytime in
like the next couple of months. And what's your cars
aren't gonna break in the next couple of months.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I hope not. I hope they can last just until
either of those are ready that would be ideal.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
You know what you need is like the battery eject
system that was in the thatchiny.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Vehicle shoots.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Just in case it has some faulter.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
I love that chection that's specifically knowing that you would
do that, knowing the batteries on fire because it's burning,
throw it in your neighbors, goes into the girl lights
another be on fire and then it fires it. I

(57:52):
can't believe that got past like the naval warfare. You
can't believe that got through the cons I was also
picturing like something goes wrong with a car to cause
a thermal runaways the marketing term, so people jump out
of the car, start running and then the after like

(58:13):
kneecapsle sweep drew.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
There's also cars that jump. Yeah, those are the same
cars that have the highest speed record right now.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
I believe it isn't it bid? They said some crazy.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
They're faster than the Bugatti I think on their own
track or whatever. It islous which I saw some of
that clip. It's like that car is going at a clip.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Oh yeah, and like you can tell phones don't matter
that well.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
The guy's going and you expect always going to go
in a straight line, but like when you're going over
one hundred miles an hour, going in a straight line
is near impossible. At that point, you just minor corrections
that aren't major to where you spin out, and so
you're just drifting on to be like, yeah, that's insane.
I watch him like this is nerve wracking. I'm it's

(59:04):
on the other side of the world.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
I showed that where I talked about that video with
my race car co worker. Race car driver.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
You have a race car driver.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Wow, I don't even have a guy Sego he's in
the he's the guy who's drifted the Tellow. Yeah, yeah, okay,
And he was like, yeah, I mean it did it,
but it looks way less stable than the Bugatti, is
the point he kept bringing it. Oh yeah, he's never
he's always looking at all the variables.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
He's never just about the zero to sixty or the
top speed. He's always like yeah, but there's always mean.
He drives on tracks like every weekend, so he gets handling.
He's way more interested in turning and that kind of thing.
So he always has something. I'm like, did you see
by d He's like, yeah, but that was it looked terrible.

(59:55):
Was like, why you look up fast It's like, oh,
it's very unstable, it's too shaky. Okay, I don't know,
but they still did it. It's still a metrics, I
mean an objective metrics.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
It's like sending someone to the moon and like a
tin can, it's like, oh, we did it better. Well,
we still did it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It's like, yeah, but we did it right. Yeah, jeez. Yeah,
there's a lot of cool stuff. China gets all the fun.
I think now cars.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
That float, cars that jump, cars that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
It's crazy, neighbors, everything, everything's more interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
They get roadsters that are very cheap. I think Doug
Demurro reviewed a couple of those before he got to
review the Tello. Yeah, and I was like, this thing
is cool. Why don't we have these in America? And
I look at things that were selling in America, it's like, oh,
the lyric the opted.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
A bunch of reasons. But yeah, I mean, the safety
standards are totally different, and the subsidizations of the materials.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
The Chinese government is very supportive of the companies.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Basically, few mine critical battery components. It's like free, Wow,
you get like lithium and copper and nickel, and all
that stuff costs like next to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Jeez.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
The government basically pays them to mine it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
There's probably privacy concerns on the other end.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
But oh yeah, there's a bunch of downsides to China.
Those are my favorite comments when people on We're on
our TikTok, because that's obviously very Chinese focused. But they
were like, and you know, the Tello is so expensive
if it was in China would be ten grand. And
the people would reply, okay, then move there.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
There's probably Tello there right now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Everyone's like, yeah, you say, how great the cards are there,
But you don't want to live there, do you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Probably not. You win some you lose them. There's some
trade offs.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I have trouble thinking about what the next vehicle is
because I think about you, like yeah, yeah, like R
two and Scout Tara.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
At the same time, it's like, really, now, that's a point.
I'm glad you brought up Scout because the Scout that's
their swappable battery option. A point to your credit because

(01:02:20):
I've been kind of downplaying the hybrid approach wheels, but
I used to, you know, discredit the hybrid approach and
say I don't think that's worth it. I don't think
it's going to pay off. But we keep bragging about
how great China's evs are and they don't do a

(01:02:40):
lot of full electric trucks. Like even by D who's
like the biggest Chinese automaker, they have a pickup truck
and it's the same approach as the Scout. It's a
it's an e rev like it's a plug in. You
can charge a pretty big battery, but it still takes gas.
And that's from a company that has all the best

(01:03:01):
state of the art battery technology, the best charging technology,
and they went the hybrid route.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So that's well, the writing is on the wall, and
you've acknowledged in videos as well. It's like I think
you said, is this a dead segment or something close
to it, Like you had a oh it was a
semi semi in.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Like a Sedean or a crossover, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
The cyber truck Oran towing something.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
In the Yeah, it's starting to genuinely feel like the
big long distance towing truck market really just does not
make sense for.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Yeah, it makes more sense as a hybrid, which is fine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I'm not even sure if it makes more sense as
a hybrid. It might make more gas depending on how
much it costs to make those hybrids. I know BYD's
done pretty well. It's called the Shark. I think the truck.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
I feel like I've heard of the shark before.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
I saw one in l A and so like what
l Yeah, it was like right before the Forest Auto
Reviews video. I told him because he showed up in
the Zeker and I was like, dude, I saw a shark.
He was like you did, I want one? I want
to do a video with one. But I was like, yeah,
that that's probably quite telling if the company that has

(01:04:21):
all the best TV technology still chooses to make it
a hybrid. Yeah, so goes against what I've been saying
for a while. But yeah, well Scout might be onto
something there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I think they just see the writing on the wall
that if they came in with pretty much Ruvin's approach,
but I would later no, even if they had a
very cool design, that's like what is what people want
to need? And even so they were going to go
fully electric, but everyone was like, can you add like

(01:04:53):
an engine to it to make it like a gas
range extender? And they're like maybe, And then guy enough
requests it's like makes sense the reservation and then the
reservation count even proved it. It's like that's what people want, right,
And then we'll see from when they start producing them
early or late next year hopefully.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
So they said. I thought they said twenty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Twenty seven, but I'm assuming that pilot production or at
least some type of manufacturing will again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah, I don't know. They're building the whole. They're starting from.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Scratch all the way in Carolina, Yeah, new facts, South Carolina,
yeah yeah, or North Carolina. It's pretty much on the border.
If I recall. Now, they're posting all the time on
LinkedIn on like updates on their factory and it's looking big,
like it reminds me of Giga Texas in terms of
the size of a factory.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Yeah. No, it's massive, which makes me laugh.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
When like everyone was covering the this is a whole
Circle Wheel podcast you look on when Giga Texas was
being built.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I remember it was just like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Always being covered on the here's the first choice.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Yeah, there's a lot of hype for that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Meanwhile, the scout's over there. They've got like pretty much
all the walls done and now they're building out the
inside and no one cares.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
No, they've definitely I think, well maybe to their point
and focused more on we need to just get stuff
done instead of talk.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I think they're hiring people to talk about Scout more
is what I saw as an ad on LinkedIn the
other day.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Not to flex, but we're coming up on their subscriber count.
Oh really, tell those over fifteen thousand and Scouts at
eighteen thousand now, don't compare our Instagram followers, but put
on YouTube at least they're people aren't as active as
we are. I guess interesting that could be because they hired.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
They also have much going on with the Scout. I
think they just re released a couple of their commercials
and that is it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
It's fine. They got money so they can focus on
spending it on production. That's good, Good for them.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
That's probably.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
The art again, like I've said in the past, the
R two excites me for like what you said as well,
is software and look and feel in the interior exterior.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Closest thing to a model. I killer, it's not a model.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Kills very much the same for me, which is like
the exterior looks amazing. Yeah, the interior looks good. I
love the bench seat. No one's done a bench seat
in a TV and I'm surprised. Yeah, and so something
like that sounds really a lerning to me, and it's
it's exciting, And that's what kind of drove this podcast

(01:07:41):
back in the day, was like excitement over what the
cyber truck is going to be. We got a glimpse
of it. The presentation was all weird, same with the
roadster and all that. Yeah, but it's like all this
speculation all like, well, what if it can do that, Well,
if the cyber truck could retro rocket boost like the

(01:08:02):
roadster or whatever, in which we don't have those same
expectations from like Scout, but it's like, or are they
going to do for trims? What are they going to
do for colors?

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
They were kind of bragging about the tax credit too,
weren't they fifty k after incentives or something that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
So was everyone else pretty much.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
We Tello was pretty edmant about not showing the well, to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Be fair, aren't you the media guy who's putting all
this stuff?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Even before they had me, I remember it was like
before any incentives, it was like, when you showed me
the website, they said fifty k before any incentives, So
that's sounds familiar. I feel like we're the only ones
that weren't banking much on it. Slate was really banking
but poor guys. Yeah, that's that that hurts them the most.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
I haven't heard anything from Slate recently though, to be fair,
I haven't been watching them. And also they're trying to
build a factory probably or at least car out a
corner of a factory.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
They have a building. They have a building, yea, they have.
I haven't seen much better than it was like a
magazine printing factory. I don't know how much of that's
going to convert to automotive, but.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Tesla had like some broken machines and stuff that wasn't
worth it, and they turned into a pretty inefficient but
also productive factory from everything that we've heard of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
I don't want to throw them under the bus too
much because I've I've met their marketing guys in there. Nice,
but a lot of I'm sorry, a lot of Slates
marketing just feels.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Like we wrapped it again, just like to give them
credit to like go back on that kind of I
thought it was very weird and yet very interesting that
these people, like these other YouTubers would come out and
film it, and they would take away the vehicle and

(01:10:04):
then wrap it and then bring it back and also
do the same thing with like the shell of it
as well under into it suv or whatever, and like
they did that all while making the influencer or whoever
just sit there and wait, which is a very bold
thing to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I heard they did the same thing with investors.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
But still it's like they're like, this is the same vehicle. Yeah,
and I think that speaks volumes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Yeah, no, that's a good point. No, they literally put
a bunch of work into making sure it was easy
to wrap and they could do it quickly, which is
what makes it more affordable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Yeah. So yeah, No, there's passion there.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I wish them all the best.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I think that's what we need more of, or a
reintroduction into this ecosystem of electric vehicles and ERVs and
whatever else is excitement and passion.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
There's so many people that have asked exactly for what
Slate's doing. I remember reading those comments years ago. I
want a Tudor truck. Keep it basic, keep it simple, Nope, complications.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I think it's just too s it's just too But
it's just they should do a bench seat modular.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
You can add it later. Just stop that out, put
a new one in right, like they're probably thinking about it.
I mean, I think it'd be a lot of work
putting into the the lego approach, But no, I think
I think they'll they'll do really well. I hope they
can get the price down, and I hope they can
manufacturing be profitable. It's going to be the trick. It

(01:11:38):
looks very manufacturable, but at what price and with what margin?
That's going to be the tricky part.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Maybe they're just waiting out until the next administration.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
There's probably a lot of that going on. It's a
lot of companies like, let's hope the text good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
How many more months they were talking.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
About California bringing it back, and then recently they were like,
by the way, I can't afford that, we're not doing that.
So yeah, I hope they can. I hope they can
be closer to twenty five instead of thirty. But yeah,
we never know. It's kind of just where it's kind

(01:12:16):
of dangerous to build your whole reputation on being as
cheap as possible because that demographic is not going to
be very forgiving, or it's not going to be very
eager to give you more money for accessories or more stuff.
They're they're more likely to want to go third party.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
And yeah, DIY and so, or they'll just compare it
to a Maverick.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah, like they are. They are right for That's what
Doug did, right, He was like, just get him Evericks,
get him Everick for that price.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
I'm like, yeah, Ford took many, many years to build
out everything to get to the match. A lot of
companies white starting today, right, Yeah, a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Lot of companies need a long time to scale up
before they can get.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
To those models we talked about already.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
Started with the roadster and work your way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Down Roadster, model ASS, small X, Model three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Kind of hard to start with the base the cheapest. Yeah,
that's kind of like you know, the Nissan Leaf came
out before the Model ASS and look at how that
business model worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
You know, higher Nissan's not made the best choices as
a co as evident of neither. No, but Tesla killed
it in margins. They made better business decisions both on
the back end and on the front end.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Because those higher price vehicles, it's much easier to have
those margins.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
What was the most priceius Nissan vehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
The Pathfinder. That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Nissan Pathfinder with like the PA I don't know. I
don't know. I like their Nissan Z though. Yeah, even
though it's a gas car, which that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
Show over men, cut the footage, cut the the scouts
as far as I'll entertain, because there's an all electric option.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
At least it's a gas car with an xport.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Did you hear they canceled the uh RAM rev. Yeah,
and then also brought it back, but they just took
the RAM charger and gave it the REV name.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
I wasn't even surprised. They were like, oh, they scrapped that.
I'm like, yeah, I get it. You guys kept kicking
that can down the road. I got a hundred bucks
from them. Oh you that's right, you observed. I have
a whole check They mailed it to you. Yeah, that
is such a ram move.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Got my hundred dollars back.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Thankfully, Tella. We haven't had to do that for anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
One hundred and fifty two. Yeah, write a check back. No,
they offered, like to wire it to me. I'm like, no,
have that as a check.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
It's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
It's a nice thing to my hopes injury. No, that's
probably the last thing that I put a pre order
in for. And then, well, the cyber truck didn't really
pan out. Neither did the ram rev.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
I've got a long trek.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
I haven't put any pre order since. Yeah, I didn't
get a check from Tesla, no Scouts or even R two.
I look at the landing page. I'm like, it's tempting.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
They've got hundreds of them driving around.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
I guess I still need to get my app Terra
pre order back.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Oh yeah, I have one of those. That's fine. I'll wait.
I don't know what my place in line.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Is, but the even a number anymore?

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
I don't know, but yeah I would. I'd still like
one Apterra. Whenever you get around to that, please, I'll
make videos with it if that helps.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Or do a winter road trip. You missed the summer,
but let's do the winter. It's too late, speaks volumes.
Hey we're getting less sun. Cars still trucking, sorry, cars
still soldering.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Catching Okay, I'm cutting you off.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Thanks everyone for watching, see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Bye. Okay,